assassination

[silk bane]

im on a no doom challenge but this is cope. next tiers gonna be double caster havoc

[near valley]

Andor was pretty solid

wouldnt do a rewatch

but didnt hate i watched it

[silk bane]

okay not that good.

[gaunt moat]

I do understand that Andor is not for everyone. it's slower paced and goes more in depth into bearocracy, but i loved it.
Also @thorn fjord i don't know if you've seen all of it, but it gets much better after the first 2 episodes.

[thorn adder]

i mean we just have to complain loud enough as a collective group and we will get buffs im sure

[strange python]

Definitely that good. The dialogue writing and character acting are better than the overhyped garbage that is succession.

[thorn fjord]

Lolol

[silk bane]

yea but atleast it respected hte characters, and was fun. instead of being a boring dumb as fuck go to A to grab bs device to go to B to grab bs device to go to C to grab bs device

[thorn fjord]

Mando season 2 has been the best thing SW related that’s come out in a long time imo

[silk bane]

I think andor was probably the best SW they put on D+

[near valley]

yeah it was pretty good i agree

[silk bane]

but to say andor is the best thing on TV in the last fwe years is also susge

[near valley]

book of boba fett's first couple episodes were pretty good

[gaunt moat]

I think we enjoyed the force awakens, because it was the first live action SW we had in a LONGGGGG TIMMMMEEEE
but it actually wasn't very good.

[near valley]

then it went bad ngl

was Mando season 2.5

[silk bane]

oh 100% it wasnt very good, but atleast it was fun. wasnt giga boring

the rest were just straight up boring SW like bro how do u make sw boring

[storm belfry]

I believe that

[slow needle]

Not as Assasination they don't xD

[thorn adder]

just have 1 spec in the middle of the pack

[strange python]

Are they public yet? I'd be real curious to see sin simming less ST than Moonkin, locks, Devos, ele, etc.

[silk bane]

i think this was passed around

not sure its accuracy though.

[strange python]

Early sims are definitely fucky. I know these buffs don't feel like enough.

[near valley]

BM hunter looking kinda hungry wtf

[strange python]

I guess we just wait and see

Don't trust hunter sims. Eber

Ever

[near valley]

true

[strange python]

They sandbag like crazy

[near valley]

low key fishing for buffs

[strange python]

I heard the BM sims weren't using tier, max ilvl, or right embels

[slow needle]

Unless thats today its definitely not accurate anymore since Ele just got nerfed.

[thorn adder]

they did nerf BM like 4 times in a row but its still gonna be a good raid prog spec

[silk bane]

i dont really trust these sims, but the fact that all 3 rogue specs are simming less st than havoc and boomie its concerining.

[strange python]

Tbh if we are going into next tier as weak, I'd rather be weak than meh. Seems like going into the tier as meh is a good way to not get buffed.

[slow needle]

Assuming that everyone else has even updated their sims already.

[silk bane]

it was from like 1 or 2 days ago

[strange python]

Havoc has been pretty ST for awhile tbh

[slow needle]

Yeah its not accurate. And rogue tier sets aren't fully implemented properly yet anyway.

[strange python]

At least their ST build is very ST focused

I don't like hoping that whispyr's napkin math is wrong by that much

[slow needle]

And Outlaw doesn't even have best guess assumptions in unlike Sin.

[strange python]

Cause I trust him to be close

[thorn adder]

i think outlaw tier set is still bugged

[silk bane]

a lot of specs arent included in there, for example frost will be very high on ST

[silk bane]

how? its so easy. u have a flat what 6% agi buff u can keep 100% uptime on, and a 2 set + 4 set thats roughly gonna be 6% at best.

not that hard

assuming no bugs

[slow needle]

And yet, its not in simc.

[spice spire]

We really do need to stop this rhetoric. There are plenty of people who are trying to right the sins of the past in true shot lodge. Two of their tcs came in today (heated) for that reason.

Azor, I truly get, there’s a good meme I’ll post after this that’s quite funny (and horrifying) but draco and putto are really trying to make it as ethical as possible

[silk bane]

non of the rogues are

[near valley]

it's a bugged set

[silk bane]

doesnt mean its hard to estimiate its power

[strange python]

Tbh I thought azor was behind that sim

[near valley]

likely waiting till they fix it's interactions

[slow needle]

I never said it was. I said that Outlaw doesn't even have best guess in yet.

[strange python]

I should amend to say no one should trust azor sims though

[near valley]

or say it's working as intended

[spice spire]

Tbf I did too

[silk bane]

whats this about mr meow

[spice spire]

But people trying to do the right thing and still getting pooped on because of perfection does suck

Anyway, good meme - relevant:

https://twitter.com/guildhonolulu/status/1652062804025679872?s=46&t=XuwSruEbzt26YN7VpP-sqQ

Honolulu Guild (@GuildHonolulu)

My Onlyfans subscription experience (colorized)

Twitter · Apr 28, 2023, 9:30 PM

[slow needle]

I don't think Draco cares what other people think about Hunter theorycrafting tbh.

[spice spire]

This wasn’t a yelling or anything btw, I didn’t know either. How were you, but it’s good to spread the word

[spice spire]

They both came in earlier to outlaw and cared at least a little

[silk bane]

wait im so lost what even happened

[slow needle]

Really?

[tame tangle]

he came to clear the air lol

[slow needle]

Huh. I've seen him talking in other discords and he seemed to not care.

[tame tangle]

he was chill

[spice spire]

It was a bit of an explosion, he just clarified

Yeah he didn’t blow up, putro did

[slow needle]

Yeah I'm reading it now. That seems like what I'd expect Draco to be like.

[spice spire]

But he clarified the steps they’re doing and how it’s pretty unfair

[slow needle]

Less kekspin though.

[spice spire]

And I’m agreeable

[strange python]

Tbf they have a lot of work to do to repair their rep, but yeah, they shouldn't be flamed for razors sins.

[spice spire]

They both seem like fantastic guys to have sim

[tame tangle]

putro also had a bunch of smooth brains just repeating what guy said before anyone proved anything lol , i would’ve been super annoyed too tbh

[spice spire]

Just a ton of work to fix

Ye

[strange python]

Guy as in our guy?

[spice spire]

Ye

[tame tangle]

[strange python]

Not sure if people should take things guy says seriously that aren't about outlaw

[silk bane]

quake help me catchup what happened with azor, whos azor, why people mad

[brazen zodiac]

o.o

[slow needle]

Okay yeah, caught up. That is definitely the Draco I expected. Came in, laid down the facts. Shit on Symfony for being a rogue. All seems right.

[thorn adder]

where do i see this

[slow needle]

Use the search bar.

[near valley]

bruh that shit was funny

[spice spire]

Hunter tc. Usually been the guy, started to do a Patreon for the real apl, sandbagged a lot of sims historically (see meme above) and seems like he uses his position to gain wealth for providing basic info.

Which is more than fine, if it didn’t consistently effect balancing, or it (the patreon sim) were accurate

[silk bane]

maybe give him a name to search.

[near valley]

Skip was adding fuel to Putro's fire

[spice spire]

Is kind of the king short

[near valley]

[spice spire]

Putro

[thorn adder]

i was trying to read his mind

thanks'

[spice spire]

No worries

Draco fairly common name online, putro less so

[silk bane]

oh wow LMFAO thats so cringe holy shit

[spice spire]

But this is outside perspective. Idk the day to day in TSL, so I’m not really here to judge.
It seems very malicious though

[near valley]

Azor doesn't really talk much there afaik

[uncut echo]

Good

It should stay that way

[near valley]

just makes the icy-veins shit and manages the faq

[spice spire]

Yeah but he’s also the administrator of tsl

[balmy condor]

and wowhead

[near valley]

oh yeah the MM wowhead page right?

[balmy condor]

yah

tarlo does bm

[near valley]

Doolb does Surv

[near valley]

that too ye

[muted ridge]

Tarlo

[brazen lantern]

are we big now

[near valley]

5% bigger

[strange python]

Nope

[brazen lantern]

yuge

[spice spire]

Pins

[brazen lantern]

pin me

[arctic current]

How much would KB need to be buffed to become playable?

[muted ridge]

come here buddy

[brazen lantern]

yess

[spice spire]

Say less

[gaunt moat]

I wish I knew why they're so afraid of decreasing IC to 30s
It's not like sin is gonna be an AoE god all of a sudden.

[spice spire]

A lot

[muted ridge]

not be same keystone as Dragon

make Kingsbane baseline

they wont

[spice spire]

Ur right

They won’t

[muted ridge]

too controversial

:^]

[silk bane]

before buffs it was 55% so like 43% now after the buffs?

[runic hinge]

Replace exsang with kb

Who says no

[grim tangle]

just delete dtb

[slow needle]

I think Whispyr did some sims that said 55%-ish to be somewhat competitive. More for it to be a clear win.

[muted ridge]

holy based takes at this late hour

[arctic current]

That's crazy and they only hit it with 12% for some reason

[slow needle]

Realz. The whole point of the additional points in the bottom gate before 10.0.5 was to stop getting kb and dtb together.

[muted ridge]

replace exsang with KB and give KB new effect which is pmuch 50% of what exsang is doing now

man I should be dev, I'd get fired within first 5 minutes

[slow needle]

Just make sure to commit and push to production before security drag you out.

[brazen zodiac]

u wouldnt get hired in the first place

[spice spire]

No, it just scales infinitely with double poisons. Legit a tuning nightmare between those two

[muted ridge]

you meant to say

Tuning extravaganza

[misty holly]

Better idea, make DTB baseline (or very top of the tree). Assassination having 4 poisons is a cool idea. No reason it has to be a capstone.

[spice spire]

[near valley]

[muted ridge]

man we are cooking some high quality shit tonight

wish Realz would see this, he'd get a stroke

[thorn adder]

i am personally a exsang enjoyer

[flint tusk]

Just reset us to 10.0 launch balance 😄

[brazen lantern]

do you have a patreon?

[flint tusk]

Make us the ST pumper we deserve to be

[muted ridge]

[flint tusk]

45second degen exsang
Much love

[runic hinge]

I know kb and DTB together would be too strong I’m not here for realistic takes I’m here to make us top of the heap op

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-shocked-monkey-disappointed-disappointed-monkey-gif-25631537

[spice spire]

Nah I’m a shitter. Literally learned all that stuff from whispyr this morning

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

dont at me kid

[grim tangle]

damn what a quick learner

[brazen lantern]

so its whispyrs onlyfangs

[spice spire]

Ye

[gusty mirage]

or I'll drive down there tomorrow and kiss you on the mouth

SAY I WON'T

[spice spire]

You won’t bitch

[gusty mirage]

[uncut echo]

Lmaooo

Oxi FLOORIN IT

[gusty mirage]

we down bad yo

and I know he is too

val out of town

gotta strike while the iron's hot

[spice spire]

Bro I can hear color

Still can’t see it tho

[gusty mirage]

@solid chasm is this true

[near valley]

what does red sound like?

[gusty mirage]

holy shit I'm hilarious

my god

[spice spire]

I’ll see u on Reddit

[thorn adder]

soon you will start seeing smells

[gusty mirage]

I said hilarious not toxic

[near valley]

well

[near valley]

it's a good thing you're cute

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/stickergiant-who-me-your-turn-no-you-am-i-the-drama-gif-26034203

I suddenly want a hotdog costume

[near valley]

same

[gusty mirage]

my power went out for the 2nd time today, every day america turns into a third world country

[near valley]

but without the costume

[earnest remnant]

i cant handle seeing oxi in 3 places. On here, in my dreams and now on reddit too man

[near valley]

just want a hot dog with onions rn

[gusty mirage]

[thorn adder]

i once wore a whoopie cushion costume for halloween

[spice spire]

He’s already there papi

Login

[gusty mirage]

forgot your DMs too @earnest remnant

quake and I used to be besties

but he replaced me

[spice spire]

With whom?!

[gusty mirage]

idk

I blocked you for a week

coulda been anyone

[spice spire]

Bro I tried to send you an apology message every day

[thorn adder]

well whispyr taught em earlier

[gusty mirage]

it was so upsetting I don't even remember what it was about

[near valley]

only the guilty say sorry

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

It was legitimately covenant ability on mythic eye

Stupidest fucking argument, that I opted in to

Incited even

[thorn adder]

nightfae blink was goated

[near valley]

spill tea

[gusty mirage]

sounds on par for me

[spice spire]

It was flag vs sbs

[solid chasm]

huh

im confusion

[thorn adder]

^

[spice spire]

I was hard trolling him, In all fairness, but oxi took it seriously and I fed into it. Like an idiot

[near valley]

[spice spire]

He made a pun on this @solid chasm

[solid chasm]

oh

[earnest remnant]

very haha

[drifting cosmos]

are we saved yet

huge buffs

[brazen lantern]

[spice spire]

Pins

[spice spire]

20%

[silk bane]

nah nah u guys missing out on that sweeeeeeeeeeeeet tiny toxic blade

gonna be meta

huge burst

truuustge

lul

[spice spire]

+325

Biggly

[silk bane]

65 * 5

thats some quick maths

u busy tonight?

[drifting cosmos]

tiny toxic blade + AP

am I cooking

[silk bane]

im coming over with oxi

[spice spire]

We may be keying

Oh

[thorn adder]

what does mut offhand and mainhand mean on the sims?

[spice spire]

Bro is not cooking

[spice spire]

So it’s a 5% buff; but it applies to everything attached to Mut (outside of mutilated flesh) so you had to adjust both hits + vv

It’s also a way to parse our mistakes you make

[thorn adder]

gotcha

[vapid sierra]

is it to early still to tell

or is sin st pulling ahead of the other two specs with buffs

actually stupid question, outlaw doesnt have tier implemented

and idk about sub

[thorn adder]

i dont think any of the specs can sim full 4 sets

[vapid sierra]

too early then

[balmy condor]

….is dogshit

Finished the thought for you

[near valley]

one day shiv will be stronk

[gusty mirage]

xaethron is stroking out at the thought of your message

[drifting cosmos]

dream is dead.

[near valley]

that guy's a martyr

[drifting cosmos]

one day

[silk bane]

does wowhead have an API and can I access public user comments?

i wanna make a copilation of xaethrons best moments

[balmy condor]

I think you can look up by user

And it’ll show comments

[silk bane]

gonna be beautiful

[near valley]

Xaethron's greatest hits

everything he says is worthy of consideration fr fr

[silk bane]

Ill put one of those 'i willll remeeeeember uuuuuu' songs

on it

as the slide show goes by

until when he got banned

[near valley]

solid content

you have to do it now

[dark token]

Devs remembered sin exists, I'm nutting

[dusk summit]

We all are 🙂

[royal lantern]

the good thing: if whisp and xaethron ever meet irl, there is a 0% chance he has a selfmade Shiv

[storm forum]

o no did the devs remember to nerf us?

[grim jay]

whisp is a germurrican, he wouldnt lose anyways

[gusty mirage]

you've clearly never read anything xaethron's written

[royal lantern]

isnt there a small village in texas where they all speak some absolutely abomination mixture of german and english

saw it in a short documentary while eating once

[dark token]

Who tf is xaethron

[royal lantern]

like, take the worst parts of both languages, mix them, and thats how it sounds

[royal lantern]

whisps greatest fan

and a Shiv enjoyer

[gusty mirage]

search the name

[near valley]

a true legend from a different time

[grim jay]

I actually cant even imagine

[silk bane]

hes a man of commitment, focus, determination, and sheer fucking will.

i once saw him kill 3 men at a bar

with a fucking shiv

[grim jay]

was it a tiny toxic blade tho

[silk bane]

not even

[drifting cosmos]

must be because the shiv's been buffed

[royal lantern]

20dps buff

[silk bane]

??????? u mean 65 excuse me?????

[gaunt moat]

But add that to the 200dps from mutilate?? NOW WE'RE COOKING

[grim jay]

not for the insane AP CB AoE TTB 120% AoE shiv nuke build

[gray crest]

getting the wrong value for shiv buff smh my head

[gaunt moat]

I heard that can one-shot a critter

[grim jay]

5

5 critters

[gaunt moat]

[royal lantern]

[silk bane]

ngl, the second i saw the 20% shiv buff in the leaks yesterday

i was like yeah

this is real

theres no way anyone would make this shit up

[royal lantern]

12% kingsbane

when it needs like 60% to even be considered

[gaunt moat]

what was the blindside buff that was leaked?

[royal lantern]

[dark token]

I love wowhead

[silk bane]

nah nah thye have their internal data trust

they know hwats happening

[royal lantern]

wowhead and reddit, the lowest of lows

[silk bane]

okay but that pun tho?? kinda a banger . affs rot? idk man he cookin

[gaunt moat]

They use the secret sepsis build

[grim jay]

#assassination message

#assassination message

[royal lantern]

somone asked why rogue had no changes in the ptr circle at all Yesterday, and somone told him that rogue always has 2-3 specs in top5dps all the time, they can be bad for once

gets upvoted to +60

reddit moment

[silk bane]

smh

cev a non believer

[dark token]

Yeah saw that

Rly cool

[gaunt moat]

That's the argument you keep getting from anyone who doesn't play rogue.
"just play other spec".

[dark token]

People don't understand this is a aoe pad tier vs next tier single target

And rogue st is meh

Devs clearly agree with the hotfixes being almost all st focused

Reddit moment

[silk bane]

excuse me? after the recent buffs, sin officially does more st than ww and arcane.

banger

[dark token]

Ww is actually down bad

Spec needs so much help

[royal lantern]

ye

[gaunt moat]

they need to undo its nerf to tier

[royal lantern]

ww is absolutely atrocius in its current state

[silk bane]

not that much below sub /Ol

[dark token]

I feel bad for them and we weren't in a great either

[grim jay]

but we got the ST execute and warrior might play fury, so there is no arms execute either

must end up great right? right?

[gaunt moat]

affliction is only like 8k dps ahead of sin, so it should be buffed

[grim jay]

unholy only 17k

they should atleast get something aswell

[thorn fjord]

[slim hamlet]

So I am out of the loop, do we expect that the 2 pc will make us use CT in pure ST?

[thorn fjord]

Nah

[slim hamlet]

Epic

[royal lantern]

right now, doesnt seem like it

[gaunt moat]

At least ele shammy is balanced. it's 20k ahead, so that's the perfect spot 👌🏻

[grim jay]

@royal lantern *Warri tank is overpowered 3/4 of the season: blizz: asleep

Prot Pala shines for 1/4 of a season at the end: blizz: MUST NERF NOW*

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-gif-25908805

Notter right now

[grim jay]

wowhead comment people clearly know whats up

[thorn fjord]

Absolutely

[gaunt moat]

don't be a 2.0 ahri please 🙂

[royal lantern]

and i think the buff we got will push ct on st even further away

more envenom dmg kinda means you wanna use envenom more often

[thorn fjord]

I’m teasing

Never take me seriously

Plz

[gaunt moat]

it's okay hah

[royal lantern]

just ignore that litearlly top lvl keys where done with 1tank 4dps because prot Paladin can heal himself and 4people at once while tanking

uwu

[thorn fjord]

And thank god for that

[royal lantern]

no Problems

[grim jay]

*Tiger palm increase by 15%.

Warrior autoattack increase by 12%.

They have no clue what they are doing. The "damage" of those doesnt matter in their current state.*

[grim jay]

like prot pal is literally prot warr but better in most of the stuff

[near valley]

true

[royal lantern]

paladins and victim complex is always toghrtrr

[near valley]

meanwhile my boys guardians

are about to become a dps spec

[royal lantern]

like, yeha, ret kinda sucked most of the time, but then they always act as if paladin is bad in general

meanwhile prot is a great tank more often than not, and holy paladin is litearlly the mandatory healer since forever

and its the only class in the game now where you litearlly need 2 in a raid lol

ret aura is a mistake

[gaunt moat]

so how does that aura actually works that you need 2 for it?
when a pally drops to 30%, you get a raid damage buff, right?

[grim jay]

*Subtlety
Shadowstrike damage increased by 10%.
Eviscerate damage increased by 6%.

really? and outlaw 2/3 abils that are used 5% gg blizzard ..........
WHERE the 50% retri nerf ? blizzard class balance :P*

thats peak commentary aswell

[near valley]

think they don't stack anymore

[timber kelp]

I'm looking at this log from a top assassination raider, and I dont really get why/how/if theyre double casting rupture and garrote at the beginning

[subtle kiln]

salty the raid utility poisons are useless.

[near valley]

but general idea is when any player

falls below 30%

wait no

takes 30% damage in one hit

then ret aura procs

[subtle kiln]

yes. you want 2 pali in raid

[royal lantern]

no, i just think making stacking a class 2time mandatory is the most shit idea ever, and whoever thought its good needs a big reality check right now

[gaunt moat]

why do you want two for it?

[subtle kiln]

one for ret one for devo

[gaunt moat]

oh

[silk bane]

after stealth garrote doesnt have a cd for the first 3 seconds, and awards 3 combo points instead of 1, which is how he double garrotes. he rupture into ruptures thanks to the combo points given by ER

[subtle kiln]

you can’t twist them

so you need 2

[thorn fjord]

Check the #assassination-faq it explains it there

[timber kelp]

why do you double rupture?

aren't you just refreshing it at basically max duration?

[subtle kiln]

just wait til bardvoker shows up

[grim jay]

anima charged cp -> longer duration -> higher amped exsang duration

[silk bane]

theres a mechanic called pandemic. you use this to further extend the maximum duration, so u can get as much vlue as u can from your exsanguinate

[gaunt moat]

So you'll extend rupture with the pendamic mechanic, making it last 42seconds. and then use exsang on a longer bleed.

[silk bane]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[royal lantern]

holy NEEDS devo, devo aura mastery is its major healing cd

then you need either a prot or ret paladin for ret aura now 🙂

[timber kelp]

ah, i get it thank you

[near valley]

don't hate the idea of having 2 paladins tbf

holy and whatever the other would be

[royal lantern]

restricting team comps even more is horrible

[near valley]

better than taking multiple hunters fr

[royal lantern]

its allready restrictive as hell

[near valley]

you got 20 dudes though

[royal lantern]

and its also 2melee spots gone

[near valley]

what is 2 of them being one class that bad

[royal lantern]

you dont have 20 lol

[grim jay]

*Hey blizz, fk your garbage dog%^&e policy of nerfing always instead of buffing others.

like, lets just buff everything instead of nerfing at all so we all outdps raid mechanics

[royal lantern]

you have a very low amlunt of flexible spots

1mage, 1priest, 1monk, 1dh, 1druid, 2paladins and maybe 1 rogue

[subtle kiln]

i think they think other utility competes (cough poison cough)

[royal lantern]

thats 8spots gone

oh wait, warrior and enh shaman

[gaunt moat]

Rogues can't do Ret-level damage cause we're just bad 🙃

[royal lantern]

thats 10allready

🙂

[near valley]

true

[grim jay]

my spits are pretty flexible bro

[near valley]

lmao

[steel spire]

Reroll or warm bench 🤔

[grim jay]

I mean

they buffed my alt

AND my main

better than nothing

[near valley]

you eating good

[subtle kiln]

enhance is w/e

it’s nice but you’re only buffing 4

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/stoned-cat-stoned-cat-funny-huh-gif-19222132

[gaunt moat]

WF totem is our lifeblood

[subtle kiln]

it’s not raid wide

[royal lantern]

if you have a warrior and a rogue, not having a enh is straight up throwing a shiton of dps lol

[near valley]

ur taking enhance just because it provides something tbf

[subtle kiln]

if the rogue is sub, sure

[grim jay]

now imagine me, straight up playing without for 80% of the tier

[woeful meteor]

if enhance dealt ww lvl dmg you wouldnt play it

[subtle kiln]

but you can also run arms and sub without it

[gaunt moat]

I don't have to, I was in the same boat

[woeful meteor]

unless rogue warr are giga op

[near valley]

ele ain't being taken unless that damage is nutty

[royal lantern]

all 3 specs, sub is only slightly above assa and outlaw

[gaunt moat]

I got totem only once we reached Broodkeeper

[near valley]

and resto is most likely going to be taken do to it healing and doing good dam

[subtle kiln]

i haven’t looked at wft sims lately so i’ll trust you

[royal lantern]

its like, arms>sub>=assa outlaw>>the rest

[near valley]

you'll take WFT 9/10

[subtle kiln]

you’re usually better off giving enhance to the prot warrior

[grim jay]

still because we were built like that

[near valley]

unless like enhance got severely crippled

[subtle kiln]

over ret aura or shout, i doubt it

[gaunt moat]

My parses are awful tbh 🥲

[near valley]

arms warrior will cry fr fr

[subtle kiln]

or they will fury

i’m not saying it’s not good, but it’s not raid wide

[near valley]

no clue how fury stacks up so ain't going to speak on that

[subtle kiln]

you don’t need it

[near valley]

if you take all the necessary buffs

i wouldn't see why enhance couldnt fit in there

[grim jay]

arms is pretty fine without any raidbuffs the way it currently is actually.

[subtle kiln]

they’re squishy as fuck

[thin ingot]

Guy assassination with the 2 set could see any play in M+ and not be a meme?

[grim jay]

it wasnt a meme before

just not "worth" it

[subtle kiln]

the rage regen is way better now

which is why wft was so huge

before

[grim jay]

yeah

plays pretty good

[near valley]

tbf you may be very well right

[grim jay]

also you have more buttons than before

[near valley]

but whatever echo or liquid choose is ultimately what's going to be setting the trend anyhow

[subtle kiln]

l played arms with and without wft. current version isn’t bad without it. it’s like sub without it.

both are better with it

but still good without it

honestly pi probably bigger for arms in executes

just speculation

[royal lantern]

mate

warrior and pi

somewhere a warlock just had a bloodvessel in his head explode

by the notion of that alone

[grim jay]

tbf I think latest sims PI is back to UH again

😄

[subtle kiln]

do you care if I pop a warlocks head?

[upper breach]

you know what else goes great with pi

[subtle kiln]

my point is, you don’t need wft

[grim jay]

I do care. I'd be pretty happy

[subtle kiln]

which you’re missing

[grim jay]

thing is

[subtle kiln]

sorry rogue poison is shit for everyone not pushing top 10

while undergeared

[grim jay]

warlock would need another 15-20k dps for MY warlocks to actually be top dps

[near valley]

rogue poison is shit period

[grim jay]

so ain't THAT mad about wl tuning

[subtle kiln]

[grim jay]

thing is

I understand not being good at warlock

affl is a tracking headache

demo has pets which is digusting so you cant look at it most of the time

and on destruction you just fight your sleepiness all fight long

[near valley]

all fun and games with destro till u have to move

[slim hamlet]

Imagine playing a class that doesn't let you smash your head on the spacebar 24 7

Couldn't be me

[grim jay]

well its a shock moment

where tears wash away your sleepy dust

[grim jay]

that would only apply to affl

[eager solstice]

I see some ppl posting sims, reliable?

[grim jay]

depends on who they are from mostly

if some green or orange guys post them/pin them, they mostly are in the context of the sims

[royal lantern]

yes no

[subtle kiln]

lol wft better for fdk than arms

[earnest remnant]

[subtle kiln]

guess those buffs really did make it great

[potent pollen]

Hey guys, the poisons that should always be used are Amplifying Poison or Deadly Poison and Atrophic Poison (if Kingsbane is used instead of DTB)?

[grim jay]

This ,,buff" is more or less 3%-4% wich is still garbage for ST dmg. You'll only see 1 DH in every raid (maybe tank) for the debuff and that's all, while there are other classes that stack a lot...
that guy literally in denial about the state of DH for most of its lifespan

and I wonder which classes you stack A LOT

[earnest remnant]

it has been a while since dh was really strong

[subtle kiln]

stack rogues for funnel

[steel spire]

Fortnite poggers time? Or rogue good👍

[subtle kiln]

FN

[slim hamlet]

Fdk got buffed? Can't find it

[earnest remnant]

iirc the last time you played more than 1 dh was Nyalotha

[grim jay]

I'm pretty sure it was pretty good most of the time, aside from the fact that you always brought one if possible anyways

[slim hamlet]

Fortnite time even if rogue is good m8

[grim jay]

and "bringing more than 1" isnt really a good indication

since most classes you dont bring more than 1

if you really have the luxury of choosing

[royal lantern]

you wont really stack melee dps anyway

like dude, its world of rangedcraft

if possible, keep melee to a minimum

stack warlocks/hunter/mage/druids, wont fuck with mechanics

[subtle kiln]

usually 2 dk’s

[earnest remnant]

Rogue has def been the most dominant melee in a while

[subtle kiln]

for most guilds it’s hoping you have a favorable comp for the last boss. if your my guilds levels of ce you hope the roster boss doesn’t fuck you without lube

[royal lantern]

the roster boss fucks all guilds

[strange python]

Idk. I think there's a very strong argument to be made for others tbh

[subtle kiln]

once you spend an entire tier trying to get ce extending for x amount of weeks, you learn new respect for roster boss

[strange python]

DH, warrior, rogue, and fuck, even enhance have been the main dominant melees. DK is weird. It seems to fluctuate from giga to God awful

[subtle kiln]

our MT benched himself on Rizzy since he would be missing a week during prog and didn’t want to fuck anything up

[earnest remnant]

only one id say you could argue with against rogue is warr

[strange python]

We talking purely raid or overall.

[earnest remnant]

raid

[strange python]

I guess gotta be raid war has been bleh in keys

[subtle kiln]

dk has always had something good, not always dps. frost used to be really good up until the last boss. oh look, noogie benched again on last boss.

[earnest remnant]

i dont care about anything else

if its keys then rogue is the best class in the game

[subtle kiln]

what?

both pump

[strange python]

Warrior has always been "good" in keys but never competitive with rogue at a serious level

[oak sky]

Yeah rogues been good for like 3 tiers

[subtle kiln]

i mean if you’re pushing 28s sure

[earnest remnant]

historically speaking warr has never really been that great compared to rogues in keys

[strange python]

I'd argue from start of BFA to now, DH has been very competitive with rogue for raid strength

[subtle kiln]

it’s hardly bad though

[strange python]

But that's an arbitrary timeline based on when I resubbed

[earnest remnant]

not the point scath

we are talking about waht is best

not whats good

[strange python]

If we're talking SL to now, I'd honestly argue enhance

[subtle kiln]

if rogue is so good, why is it not in mdi

[strange python]

Enhance is sneaky op multiple tiers in a row

[oak sky]

I mean it was

[spice spire]

[earnest remnant]

mdi and live keys are not remotely the same

[subtle kiln]

oh because level of play influences what is good

[oak sky]

High keys are different than speed keys

[subtle kiln]

yet mdi influences live keys

[earnest remnant]

which is why i dont talk about keys when i do these topics, only raid

[oak sky]

Yeah so many feral rerolls

They were just filling up my groups

[strange python]

You could argue rogue is worse in "real" keys than high keys

[subtle kiln]

rogue is overhyped in keys. it’s 2-3 really strong players making it shine on rio

[oak sky]

Rogue has good st control, shroud, survivability, and often damage

[spice spire]

Yeah and so many people made conclusions on what’s good next tier based on a sim without everything implemented - general populace isn’t a good argument tbf

[strange python]

I'm gonna go eat my face full of duck Al pastor tacos and throw out again that enhance has been sneaky strong for awhile and flown under the radar

[oak sky]

How has it been under the radar

Its also been broken for like 3 tiers

In raid

[subtle kiln]

it’s difficult to play (apparently)

[strange python]

It's almost never mentioned

[queen spoke]

Rogue has historically been strong in mythic +

[oak sky]

Worst ive seen rogue in m+ is season 3/4 of shadowlands when it was still like top 5 classes

[earnest remnant]

we dont wanna mention rogue in bfa in m+

[oak sky]

Yeah wasnt it giga broken

[strange python]

Double outlaw bb

[subtle kiln]

20+ keys

[strange python]

But that's not accounting for play rate

Rogue is second least played class

[subtle kiln]

swap it to 25+ rogue goes up, but overall pop plummets

literally a few good people playing it

and pushing

higher than others

[drifting cloud]

"few"

+25 isnt even r1 title cutoff

[subtle kiln]

look at the top keys page

all the same groups

[queen spoke]

Rogue has highest rep in top 0.1%

[subtle kiln]

shout out to to dragoons

[spice surge]

It is though, all 25s+sbg/cos26 is pretty much the title cutoff

[thin ingot]

imo rogues in raids are a tier of their own, theyre so good for prog

like youre the last one to die almost every pull

[spice surge]

Might need one or two extra 26s, but its not far off

[queen spoke]

Rogue has an answer for basically anything the game can throw at it

That’s why they are good

[spice surge]

Except gale arrow

[drifting cloud]

so what youre saying out of 16 combos you need almost half of them more than 25 😛

[spice surge]

Well ye, but 26 cos and sbg is more like a +24

[earnest remnant]

rogue in legion was something else, just went back to wf kills of each end boss 3 out of 4 of them had rogue stacking of 2x4 and 1x3 xD

[drifting cloud]

wait which one wasnt one, argus or xavius

[earnest remnant]

trial of valor had 0 rogues

rest had either 4 or 3

[gusty mirage]

trial of valor also had 0 fun

[drifting cloud]

oh helya forgot about that boss

[earnest remnant]

4 on xav

[drifting cloud]

people buying sps with correct leggos

[earnest remnant]

4 on killjaeden

[drifting cloud]

= helya prog

[earnest remnant]

3 on argus

[drifting cloud]

[spice surge]

Shadowpriests at the start of legion

[queen spoke]

This guy is .3 points above the season cutoff

[earnest remnant]

bfa was alot worse tho

[spice surge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQHtgq4G4zo
Xavius and not helya but still

[earnest remnant]

0 on ghuun
2 on jaina
0 on uunat
2 on Azshara
1 on Nzoth

SL was
0
0
2

iirc

[spice surge]

In my raid our spriest did 50% of the damage on an add we needed to burst down

[drifting cloud]

yeah turns out when you can die for free thats good when the talent is supposed to kill you ...

[spice surge]

In a fucking mythic 20 man raid

[earnest remnant]

WoD was
0
3
2

[spice surge]

A reason rogue continues to be well represented in high m+ keys is just the simple fact that because it has been good in the past a lot of people that push play rogue, so even if rogue is not the best its still gonna look good because a lot of rogues have connections and can easily get into good groups.

Same reason mage is decently represented this season, it wasnt that good but just a lot of good m+:ers play it

So it gets quite good representation anyway

[drifting cloud]

yeah but afaik pugging r1 if youre a rogue around 3.3 is pretty despair thesedays

meta has shifted alot

its just like you said theres alot of rogues

[spice surge]

Besides hov. Free invite as a rogue

[drifting cloud]

but I guess its queue simulator for most people, most of my info is from guildies complaining

[silk bane]

yeah lfg is aids

i know this enhance who sits in q like 12 hours a day and does 1 key a dya

[spice spire]

it's me

[silk bane]

quake u can come to all my keys

[spice spire]

bro you ain't want that smoke

I'm a classic key inter

[spice surge]

Insta-keybrick assassin?

[cobalt hemlock]

how do people do that. if i dont get into a key in 10 minutes i either make my own or alt f4 the game

[silk bane]

coping about getting title does that to you. hes like 3290 i think so need slike 1 key

[austere fulcrum]

How can assa be 20k better overall than outlaw and sub ? Is there something i dont get on sims ?

If it is true we re gonna be s tier

[silk bane]

subs being simmed with s1 tier, outlaw is being simmed without tier effects. and sin is only like 7k above an outlaw without tier not sure wher eu get 20 from

[cobalt hemlock]

pugging that high must be fucking miserable

[austere fulcrum]

I basically looked at their sim on discord

[silk bane]

it is. if u fall behind the curve its just miserable. kinda why im not gonna bother with keys anymore.

[spice surge]

The sims arent intended to convey how strong the specs are, they are intended to convey how big the buffs were in %

[austere fulcrum]

They are around 95/100k, the pinned sim for sin is around 125

[silk bane]

outlaw shows 117, sub shows 97

[spice surge]

Because tier bonuses arent in sims, there are no optimized profiles

[silk bane]

but yeah theyre all awful anyways

[austere fulcrum]

I see

Well i am just happy and hyped, we were waiting for long

[gusty mirage]

all tier stuff that works is just an estimate at best

[spice surge]

But theres gonna be a lot of tuning next week and the week after that anyway

[gusty mirage]

cuz implementing the tier sets is proving to be a gigantic pain in the ass

[spice surge]

Demo getting a 1% nerf is a good meme

[austere fulcrum]

Indeeed

[drifting cloud]

they will offset the nerf with another +10% shiv dmg

[spice surge]

Tiny toxic blade stonks rising 📈

[queen spoke]

Wtb nerf to annulet

[drifting cloud]

shiv in dance for dm stacks

[silk bane]

@gusty mirage show me the ways of POE pls! does the game have a fun community? or is it all legit just pure solo play? also what makes the game fun

im ognna play it once i get my pc back

[gusty mirage]

I can answer this by breaking it down

1. No

2. Most of your grind will be solo

there's some party play, but the game engine makes wow's look like it's the most pristine engine ever invented

and 3) mindless grinding

kill things, loot explosion

much fun

[balmy condor]

So it’s maplestory

[silk bane]

thank you, that was actually exactly what i needed!

[silk bane]

no. its not 2d

[balmy condor]

That just means no waifus

[gusty mirage]

no, maple story is actually good

[silk bane]

and also i doubt the keys are arrows OMGOFMG THIS TILTS ME SO MUCH

[balmy condor]

The arrow keys

[silk bane]

im about to change your life. lemme introduce u to 3d waifus

[drifting cloud]

too many dimensions

[near valley]

Living in the past

Waifus of the 4th dimension is where it at

https://tenor.com/view/future-is-now-old-man-future-is-now-malcolm-in-the-middle-iota-tanglevision-gif-22172633

[gusty mirage]

if I could customize the controls

maple story would be best game ever invented

[silk bane]

I recently (like this week) found out my gf's sister plays maple story

and guys buy her shit in the game all the time apparently

she legit farming simps for xp

apparently a guy bought her this thing worth a couple thousand that would boost up the mob spawn rate in an area or something

[balmy condor]

could technically be done automatically through keyboard macro

Like if you have a keyboard controller through Logitech

[gusty mirage]

no

I want it to be a feature in the game

I don't want another poe

[balmy condor]

I mean

Yeh

[gusty mirage]

where I need 8 things to make it good

[balmy condor]

But gl

[gusty mirage]

you know what

I'm gonna learn to program

and do it myself

[balmy condor]

[simple violet]

With this new changes today, what will be the standard assassination mythic build? No change?

[balmy condor]

No change

[austere fulcrum]

Is there any BiS list or are we changing lariat for example ? I saw lariat wont be a thing

[steel spire]

just play fortnite

[gusty mirage]

sims aren't finalized yet, just hang tight until everything is settled

[queen raft]

don't do it fam 😭

they keep making the game worse

[spice spire]

LOGIN

[simple violet]

is there a way to macro Mutilate and Ambush when it procs on the same button?

[near valley]

Doesn't work for SS and ambush

So I'll go out on a limb and say no

[thorny pond]

Log-off

[spice spire]

no man

IO'

'm unhinged

[thorny pond]

Wanna play pool?

[proper tapir]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Ambush/Mutilate Macro:
This should be seen as a "lazy" option, and is not recommended. It can be hard to control and requires a third-party macro addon to expand the games base functionality. We recommend ALWAYS keybinding ambush (either with a modifier, or an entirely different key)
You can macro Ambush to Mutilate using a advanced macro addon.
Further Explanation/Details:
#assassination message

[tall atlas]

Sin op?

[gusty mirage]

compared to ww monk maybe

[tall atlas]

lol

I love this disc

[thorn adder]

https://tenor.com/view/abell46s-no-meme-memes-bucle-gif-18526804

[gusty mirage]

hard to be super excited when the buffs essentially just un-did all the nerfing they did at the beginning of the tier

and then you see devoker and warlock doing 160k

lmao

although we're not terrible anymore at least

so that's a big plus

[woven hound]

if i'm using these talents for m+:https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/DAPFVERBEREaFFYhRQCQANVWYQRFEkQCQsUBA can anyone please tell me a) how many targets i use FoK as a builder and b) up to how many targets i use envenom (poison bomb) for until switching to CT, if it all

sorry i haven't played rogue since legion, the guide wasn't clear, looked at some m+ logs and it seems they always env for poison bomb instead of CT finisher even at high target counts

[gusty mirage]

a) You'd still FoK at 3+ even with the talents
b) As long as you're maintaining the Crimson Tempest DoT you're free to finish however you want. Although I sense with the new 2pc it might give CT a slight edge in 10.1

some players prefer to fish for the poison bomb procs and for a higher envenom uptime

but it's legit dealer's choice

at least atm w/ current tier set

[woven hound]

thanks so much

[gusty mirage]

[woven hound]

i love the poison bomb procs in legion so i'm gonna go that route 🙂

[gusty mirage]

it is quite satisfying

[woven hound]

they were a little fatter tho

[gusty mirage]

I miss legion

[thorn adder]

my man just said press shit as it lights up and even if you dont its ok.

[woven hound]

remember checking logs and being incensed when the top parses had like 8% more poison bomb damage

was out of my control lol

[gusty mirage]

yeah it really do be rough as assassination in aoe

whispyr simmed it like 30 times

it's legit within a fraction of a %

[thorn adder]

i love it

[languid dune]

Is anyone else getting this when trying to sim assa?

Sub/outlaw sims perfectly, but not assa

[thorn adder]

its to ass

in all seriousness i have 0 clue

[gusty mirage]

worked for me

[thorn adder]

i actually dont think iv ever seen that error on raidbots, if i was home id try my rogue for ya

[languid dune]

Quick sim works but not top gear xD

[gusty mirage]

mighta just been something borked on their end

oh lemme try top gear then

[languid dune]

or nvm, just got it on quick sim

same error

Now the sim went through, maybe they are updating something, ill give it a rest for now haha

[gusty mirage]

prolly something fucky on the back end

esp with the new tuning that happened

[thorn adder]

fixed tier sims PauseChamp ?

[gusty mirage]

poor koji's having an aneurism trying to get them to work

[thorn adder]

im sure that shits way over my head, but its fun to meme about

[gusty mirage]

usually the tier set info is in the spell id data and all that

but they've recently swapped to more scripting instead of just bundling it all in the spell data like they used to

so a lot of it has to be hard coded in

[earnest remnant]

poor koji

[gusty mirage]

instead of just fetched from the blizzard api

[gusty mirage]

we collectively owe the man a beer

[thorn adder]

@fleet anchor you are loved here. I just wanted to let you know ❤️

[earnest remnant]

true

[oak tangle]

What was the percent kb was behind by?

[thorn adder]

you talking about after the shit that happened today?

[oak tangle]

Either or, just how close it is now

[thorn adder]

check the pins im not real sure how to explain it other than it aint good enough

[earnest remnant]

it needed like a 50% buff to be as good as DTB

[oak tangle]

My dream of clipping kb either side of dm got closer but not close enough

[thorn adder]

need another 40% buff and your dream will come true king

[oak tangle]

I mean technically tier will give it that, it’s just that dtb benefits too

[thorn adder]

im hard that we will see another round of buffs

no shot rogue is as bad as iv been hearing all tier

iv been playing since legion launch and the first tier i go rogue this will not happen

[fringe spear]

Scapegoat acquired

[spice spire]

HUH

[thorn adder]

you have mythic diurna's chosen you are not allowed in this conversation

[spice spire]

it's not even bis next tier

[thorn adder]

i wonder if it will be fragment or loaded dice next tier

im hard for loaded dice

and yea that ring sucks and i wont ever wear it

[oak tangle]

ngl i didn't read your emojis when you say "i'm hard" and i took a different meaning from that

[spice spire]

fragment

[thorn adder]

yea im not physically hard yet. hmu after another round of buffs

[thorn adder]

but loaded dice is so much cooler

[oak tangle]

why tho

[thorn adder]

nostalgia + fragment 90% of the time i feel like is just gonna be macroed into something

[oak tangle]

but dice is passive and random, isn't that no different

[thorn adder]

your right, it was just a cool op ass trinket in BFA that i loved

[spice spire]

nostalgia is real

but a fuckin ton of agility is too

[sudden canyon]

how we lookin for 10.1

[thorn adder]

take a shit and stare at it

[sudden canyon]

ok

any talent changes?

[thorn adder]

buffs = good. Lets get some more!

[thorn adder]

nightstalker still bad after fix, and kingsbane not quite good enough

[sudden canyon]

i saw pins. just number buffs?

[oak tangle]

if i were to feelcraft guess, i would say we will go with poison points on tree rather than the bleed ones

they were already close, and losing the bleed damage tier set swings it back

[thorn adder]

i want nature embellishment gear to work with the tier so bad

[uncut echo]

No you dont

You don't want this 4pc to stay

[oak sky]

its not going anywhere tho

[spice spire]

but you are @oak sky

[oak sky]

i never leave

[thorn adder]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-not-leaving-not-fucking-leaving-staying-gif-20904116

[spice spire]

agreonmoon

[balmy condor]

QuakeWar

[spice spire]

Bro he’s 384 chill dog

You said quakethree and you had some ground

But quakewar? Omegalul?

[balmy condor]

quakethree is dead to me

he's not real

[spice spire]

He’s dead to everyone

That mf a death knight

[balmy condor]

me too honestly

[spice spire]

God we’re just twins bestie

[winter gale]

Feet enchant is up to me, what I prefer more or? Same goes with cloak and bracer ones?

Either leech or avoidance

[balmy condor]

yeh

they don't really have any tangible benefits between the options

[strange python]

So take it from the pins mythic plus is still not competitive?

[balmy condor]

probably not, no

[strange python]

damn

one day

[balmy condor]

the buffs didn't hit m+ at all

[winter gale]

I will reverse all my enchants, gems etc back to assa. I failed my friends, went sub for a day 😄

[brazen zodiac]

o.o

[opaque sky]

Arnt they the same stats?

[winter gale]

Didn't do any content with it and when I talked here last night I decided I'll stay

Nope as far as I know

Sub prefers versa and we dont like it

[opaque sky]

For single target

Not for aoe

[balmy condor]

sub is vers heavy

sin is anti-vers

sin likes haste

sub hates haste

[opaque sky]

Is sub not crit mastery for most of the content outside of pure st

[balmy condor]

I mean sure

but there's 4 stats

[opaque sky]

Fair

[winter gale]

On my gear, which is high end, gems+enchants is +2k dps difference

[opaque sky]

Guess majority of the gear I've collected though is either crit verse or crit mastery

Havent really seen much mix

[winter gale]

Atleast sim showed like that*

[balmy condor]

it's nearly impossible to full stack crit mast

and you wouldn't want to do so on either spec anyway

[winter gale]

Yeah, even sim says so on some items

[balmy condor]

like for sin haste is barely under mastery

my crafted gear on sin is haste/mast

just be like that

too much of a good thing can be bad

[solar bramble]

wait, if those sims are correct. . the sim for sub and outlaw are both lower? those don't include the set though, but sub is nearly 30k lower. is the set enough to offset that big a difference?

sin ST estimate - 125,830
outlaw (no set) - 117, 983 (if we assume at least 5% increase from set bonus. it's 123k
sub (no set) - 98k. but i've no idea how much the set is supposed to provide.

[silk bane]

sub sims are using current bis gear + season 2 trinktes. its at 421-424 ilvl not 447-450.

[solar bramble]

aah. that'd make sense. cause that was a huge difference

[blazing jewel]

sims arent updated yet either

[solar bramble]

for the time being though. it seems sin/outlaw are relatively close.

[silk bane]

theres a lot of new things to be tested, weird optimizations with tier sets, new enchants and embellishments. rogues arent really as bad as they may seem

[solar bramble]

they could be ww/havoc lol

[silk bane]

pretty sure all 3 specs are under havoc but yeah could be ww

[solar bramble]

are all 3 under havoc? and havoc is considered pretty low single target

that's pretty bad for a single target focused spec vs AoE focused spec

[silk bane]

idk havoc pure st isnt bad

[balmy condor]

If assa should be tuned to a single target niche

It’s gonna need another 7-8%

[blazing jewel]

aoe focused spec

[silk bane]

ngl chief pretty sure with 8% aura buff sins gonna do less damage during execute than most casters still

[solar bramble]

i mean havoc is kind of AoE focused :(.

but if sin is still behind even their single target. it's in a pretty rough spot

[rocky ruin]

i think the sims aren't final and if they are ye maybe we get another tuning pass for us.

[vestal wren]

it seems likely that we will get a tuning pass after first week

impossible to nail balance first try

the buffs gave assassinaiton the most benefits

[gray solar]

would u mind linking the sims

[solar bramble]

they're in the pins of each discord.

class

but none are final

[vestal wren]

those are nonesense numbers

^^

they don't include the buffs

and use diffrent profiles

[gray solar]

🥲

[spice spire]

The sin numbers are buffs, but with set not being fully implemented

[vestal wren]

e.g. the pin in #subtlety uses the season 1 bis

[spice spire]

That’s the big ???

[vestal wren]

so subtlety will likely be somewhere around 120k

[spice spire]

Makes items/talents kinda in limbo

[vestal wren]

^

tier set is the big thing that holds simulations back a bit

[spice spire]

That’s why with all the info giving a good ballpark, I mention that these are no where close to the final sims

[silk bane]

feels so weird going into a new tier knowing almost nothing about builds or gear or even specs

[spice spire]

But just an indication of gain + a loose showing of what to expect

[vestal wren]

also to mention this

the nightstalker fix still isn't identifyable

[spice spire]

[vestal wren]

so possible not fixed?

[spice spire]

NS still bad for us, but for sub and outlaw.
Come on man

[blazing jewel]

they said its fixed so its 100 fixed

[vestal wren]

the pin in subtlety is to showcase the impact of each fix

it isn't to show how high dps are with bis next tier

just fyi

[spice spire]

Same here, it’s to “ballpark” it and fo show the gain. Which was a nice little buff

[sharp stump]

Hey bro crazy thought go ask the paladin discord

[vestal wren]

for me the problem is the tier set is hard to estimate.
e.g. changing symbols duration, energy generation and rupture duration does show this

and would say that subtleties 2p is worth ~2.5%

the 4p is potentially in the 2% ballpark too

but i assume reducing energy waste, etc would show a "better" picture

[winter gale]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[winter gale]

How can I copy import strings from Spreadsheet? I cant copy/paste it as it's not shown entirely*

I managed, sorry*

[earnest remnant]

what are you trying to copy?

[subtle tundra]

the talent string

[obtuse ruin]

cant remember the last time assa was the go to spec for rogues in m+

[winter gale]

I managed, last letter was a bit covered so I didnt overlay it properly

Was good in bfa if I remember

Or atleast decent 😄

[shadow copper]

Right now on ptr raid tests outlaw was the best even for st. Do u think buffs that we got will put assa on the spot for the best st rogue spec?

[obtuse ruin]

bfa with triple shroud was decent but outlaw pulled ahead

[grim jay]

You can just click the "field" its written in once and press Ctrl + c

[rocky ruin]

like whispyr said it need another 7-8% buffs for only the st part

[shadow copper]

Sheeeeesh

So we still go outlaw

Damn

[blazing jewel]

outlaw was bugged it wasnt the best after tier was fixed. nobody knows what the best rogue spec will be

[rocky ruin]

the sims aren't final

[grim jay]

Ptr Tests are meh at best anyways

[shadow copper]

Ohh okey. That a bit dog shit if they can't fix it before release. Then no one actually knows what to play lol

[winged veldt]

Prelim sims no active 4 piece has assa 4-5k above outlaw in ST as it should be seeing as they have basically free aoe. But once again no one knows and more tuning on the 2nd too so fuck all lol

[shadow copper]

Yeah but also question is how many bosses are pure st

[winged veldt]

True

[grim jay]

Most

[winter gale]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jvjDvXbGBZyZiVYFMGsr9i

Is this ok

I feel like I had more dps on sim few weeks ago 😄

[shadow copper]

U didn't xd

[gaunt moat]

Check buffs in simc