#assassination
near valley
gusty mirage
near valley
<:PES_SadHug:622403182252916756>
Windows 11 has some aggressive advertising
Gives me like 3 are you sure messages everytime I want to decline
strange python
Why not garlic chicken breakfast burrito
gray crest
It is lunch time
nocturne lagoon
Oxi how long did you sleep
gusty mirage
Oxi how long did you sleep
4 hours
I stayed up watching stupid videos on my phone until 2:30
woke up at 6:30
near valley
youtube rabbit hole?
gusty mirage
nocturne lagoon
Tiktok i’d assume
gusty mirage
nah we moved onto youtube
gusty mirage
near valley
pls stop posting food pics
strange python
But I have so many
gusty mirage
pls stop posting food pics
just drink coffee and consume a form of nicotine until you're not hungry anymore
strange python
I roasted duck last night there's leftovers
gusty mirage
gray crest
just drink coffee and consume a form of nicotine until you're not hungry anymore
The French breakfast
near valley
just drink coffee and consume a form of nicotine until you're not hungry anymore
ran out of nicotine 
gusty mirage
The French breakfast
nocturne lagoon
ran out of nicotine <:PepeCry:585560645739610133>
royal lantern
https://tenor.com/view/andrew-tate-air-breath-gif-25846172
dont tell me what to do
wary ice
just drink coffee and consume a form of nicotine until you're not hungry anymore
unironically my diet
rocky ruin
ran out of nicotine <:PepeCry:585560645739610133>
Me too e cigarette nicotin is damn expensive
royal lantern
yeha, but then there is atleast SOME spec talk mixed in
verbal mantle
I bet it’s succulent
rocky ruin
yeha, but then there is atleast SOME spec talk mixed in
What should we say, assa is in both position has one build, dead talent choice. Like Ion said it in his last talk it has fundamental problems and still nothing would change it cause no changes are happening
He said nothing explicit about assa, but you can translate it to assa
rigid mango
my eyelid feels like its twitching
Until you feel your heart in your toes you havn’t hit your limit
silk bane
my eyelid feels like its twitching
my neighbour said they could feel my heartbeat through the floor
now thats caffeine limit
gusty mirage
minor gate
are we still using flaring cowl next season?
minor gate
ive only got the normal one
gusty mirage
you have your bis rings
brazen zodiac
pog
grim jay
dont think sin will stay on cowl if sub wont
deft flicker
Sub switches to shadowflame embels according to fuu
Law seems to go for forgestorm + enchants to drop cowl
sweet dawn
Do we have sims for rogue yet?
deft flicker
Someone did approximate ones for outlaw - 115k without tier. Haven’t seen sub/sin, heard the simc guy is a bit busy rn
spice spire
Our sets still haven’t been pushed through
Implementation has been especially hard according to koji
sweet dawn
I do not envy him
minor gate
buff sin rogue or draw 20
gray crest
strange python
buff sin rogue or draw 20
🙂
oak tangle
Implementation has been especially hard according to koji
i wonder what part is making it so hard
spice spire
No idea tbh. Koji smarter man than I
minor gate
i wonder what part is making it so hard
probably because the damage difference between tier and no tier is just adding itching powder
royal lantern
how do you know?
gray crest
It's the outlaw set that is causing problems right?
minor gate
how do you know?
it was revealed to me in a dream
limber lion
It's the outlaw set that is causing problems right?
Outlaw and Assassination are both cooked
minor gate
really?
gray crest
Because implementing it would be hard considering it stores damage before crits/armor
minor gate
sin sure but outlaw?
midnight mist
not aware
haughty flicker
sin sure but outlaw?
outlaw tier is a hot mess of bullshit brother
limber lion
Outlaw is literally the biggest problem child in tier set existence
minor gate
ah
silk bane
@midnight mist is outlaws 2pc still fucked with not doing the damage when base ability crits and stuff?
oak tangle
so it's delayed by a release all specs or none sort of thing
midnight mist
yes
minor gate
i have not played to ptr because no space so im only going off of the notes
limber lion
so it's delayed by a release all specs or none sort of thing
No
Sub tier is getting implemented soon or already is, either or
Assassination and Outlaw are just messed up in-game so they're not
spice spire
silk bane
idk if sub was implemented they would probably get some sims but theirs isnt implemented yet either.
minor gate
i feel outlaws 2pc issue would depend on how they store their dmg values
oak tangle
something cooked had to have happened regardless, other specs have had tier implemented for a month
limber lion
idk if sub was implemented they would probably get some sims but theirs isnt imp...
Koji said that he's finishing up with Sub tonight - yesterday.
So
near valley
lol
silk bane
hopefully, but its generally really really ez to napkin math sin and sub tiersets powers
limber lion
Not that easy to napkin Sin
There's literally a million things that work with nature damage
uncut echo
Sins is convoluted as fuck
vestal wren
Sub tier is getting implemented soon or already is, either or
its not on raidbots/simc yet so would say soon
minor gate
There's literally a million things that work with nature damage
would it also be a seperate dot or just added on to the original dot
silk bane
u can just sum it up to be aorund 50-60% of your damage being nature. which gets buffed by 40% for 30 seconds every 2 minutes. thats like 5-6% damage assuming a complete flat curve. but if u do idk 75% of dmage outside of dm and 25% inside of dm, then it jsut becomes a flat 5-6% increase to 75% of your damage so around 4% flat aura buff
and the 2 set is pretty straight forward too
oak tangle
right but that is assuming a priority from a tier that isn't in
silk bane
what
minor gate
would the nature rup dot affect venomous wounds
oak tangle
50-60% of your damage is nature, this tier. and you may not necessarily want to use the same abilities at the same times
limber lion
I mean if the Blizz Devs are still planning tier sets to be around 10% dps in total, then it's a pretty easy napkin for every spec.
Not sure if that's still a thing this tier or not
But probably around that ballpark
gray crest
You can't really just say "take X% of our damage and increase it by Y%"
limber lion
But yeh, sims will come when they're ready
But yeh the build could and probs will change slightly with the tier
Do we play Exsang with the new tier or not? Who knows
oak tangle
who knows maybe the tier makes KB playable, maybe it means you play around shiv, you can't napkin math that
limber lion
Nothing makes KB playable unfortunately
minor gate
a weapon poison is just too good to pass up
silk bane
50-60% of your damage is nature, this tier. and you may not necessarily want to ...
true, but nothing points us towards the direction of changing anything in our playstyle
outside of maybe not sepsis not being awful
minor gate
and would be the only thing at make KB viable
silk bane
which in itself is awful
oak tangle
i mean we are currently bleed specced. we could favour the poison spec again
minor gate
outside of maybe not sepsis not being awful
the idea of sepsis has never been good
limber lion
true, but nothing points us towards the direction of changing anything in our pl...
Losing 20% bleed damage is kinda big
royal lantern
Nothing makes KB playable unfortunately
minor gate
waiting for something to end for value never has value
silk bane
Losing 20% bleed damage is kinda big
true, but the 2 pc buffs it up by roughly the same amount. slightly weaker ofc since no garrote
instead its just rupture by 40%
spice spire
Nothing makes KB playable unfortunately
Real
limber lion
But it's different though because it's nature damage, not bleed damage
strange python
Do we explicitly know rogue changes in 10.1?
silk bane
the idea of sepsis has never been good
yet somehow its in both AND sub trees. like they liked it so much they were like oh fuck yeah lets put this shit in there such a good ability. lgit blows my mind
minor gate
maybe take the extra shiv?
spice spire
Do we explicitly know rogue changes in 10.1?
Like what rogue changes are? If it will change?
Unsure on what you mean here
limber lion
Also pretty sure, don't quote me on this, but pretty sure Nature damage is reduced by armor
Bleed damage goes through armor
oak tangle
if you count nerfing the tier before it was implemented to stop people using CT on single target, then that is all
minor gate
magic always goes through armour right?
spice spire
I’d have to look at the spell info
silk bane
But it's different though because it's nature damage, not bleed damage
thats true, still though, theres not alot of flexibility in sin tree itself to want to make u want to change things. u pretty much have talents that u either take those, or u cant take anything else. so at best u kinda focus a little more in poison maybe, a little on bleed maybe, and theyre both similar enough
spice spire
And i’m not near my PC
strange python
What changes are coming to rogue in 10.1? Do we actually know yet as an official announcement or does that happen closer to the patch?
oak tangle
Also pretty sure, don't quote me on this, but pretty sure Nature damage is reduc...
find weakness?
dont do it to us
silk bane
i dont think nature is rduced by armor
minor gate
Both dead talents
based
spice spire
What changes are coming to rogue in 10.1? Do we actually know yet as an official...
Not yet
haughty flicker
Do we explicitly know rogue changes in 10.1?
there you go brother
strange python
Gotcha, I just started playing retail about a month ago from 2014 so I wasn’t sure how patches are done.
spice spire
Gotcha, I just started playing retail about a month ago from 2014 so I wasn’t su...
Yeah, it seems right now the bit is we’re not getting a ton
strange python
there you go brother
You better not be right 😂
spice spire
I also returned after a long hiatus (in 2020 from 2012)
haughty flicker
this is unironically the patch notes as of right now
oak tangle
WEEK 1 BUFF'S BABY
haughty flicker
dull cloak
patch note just out. predoom time
silk bane
my bet is 4 pc is about 4% flat damage. and 2 pc is about 3.5%. we dont change anything in our current playstyle.
minor gate
when sims for the season happens how automatic is it between just put in talents and input the full rotation?
silk bane
would be fun to know when sims come out
limber lion
my bet is 4 pc is about 4% flat damage. and 2 pc is about 3.5%. we dont change a...
Could be. Wouldn't be surprised if we ditch Exsang and some of the bleed nodes for the poison ones, but probably won't make much of a difference either way
Changing from one build to another is probably like less than 1% at max
Just like it's been the entire 10.0 patch
where nothing matters
spice spire
oak tangle
but, what if tier set is bugged with ap and makes rupture giga damage cause double dip
minor gate
it might just depend on how the 40% is applied
silk bane
thats my guess. Im also farily sure we are gonna start off weaker than both sub and outlaw going into next tier
but half way through tier
we become best st rogue spec
minor gate
double dip in wounds
silk bane
and those 2 kinda just die out
limber lion
That will not happen unless we get tuning
silk bane
no no, we actually will get new items and more stats
they are hardstuck with their rings
so they have more upfront damage than us
but scale worse
since they litearlly cant upgrade their gear
oak tangle
neither can we though
limber lion
tacit pebble
spice spire
No
silk bane
not scaling as in scaling
strange python
What the actual
silk bane
scaling more as in, they litearlly cant get better gear
strange python
Are you freaking kidding me
limber lion
Yeh I gotchu
strange python
Those are the patch notes?!?!?!?
limber lion
But let's think about it
spice spire
Yes
strange python
WE ARE FKEDDDD
limber lion
If a spec does 100k starting a patch and we do 90k
strange python
WHAT
limber lion
We won't get 10k from just "scaling"
oak tangle
welcome to doomination
strange python
I WAS SO EXCITED FOR THIS 🤨
spice spire
Brethren
limber lion
We're behind by quite a bit so even if we did get a few new shiny items, it won't make up the difference
silk bane
thats fair, i dont think 2 rings being upgraded are gonna close the gap
yeah youre right
spice spire
You’re dangerously close to slow mode prison 🤨
silk bane
but i also doubt we are that far behind them
spice spire
UH
silk bane
unless the enchants and new embelishments
strange python
This close to losing my shit
silk bane
which to be fair are kinda insane for both sub and outlaw but once again pretty meh for sin
oak tangle
am i missing something, because everything i've seen, albeit still no sims, that we wont be repacing the rings either
gusty mirage
You’re dangerously close to slow mode prison 🤨
close?
buddy we're already knee deep
strange python
You’re telling me ret pala gets to continue to manhandle anything that breathes within 100 miles and I’m getting a NERF???
runic hinge
6 days since last slow mode!
strange python
What are they smoking??
gusty mirage
sure it was
oak tangle
fuu did sims for ilvl equivalents, and we're still looking at 460 to replace seal
grim tangle
tyranny smhmh
haughty flicker
Was only one guy being weird but I’ll use it wisely
tacit pebble
I hope they buff exsan back to early xpac levels so sin can be good again. debate is welcome
wary ice
oh boy i cant wait to have a multi line conversation with my pals in #assassination :^)
spice spire
It compiles, also I didn’t do it
limber lion
You kinda did though
spice spire
?
gray crest
enjoy 5 minute slowmode
gusty mirage
You do that
minor gate
I'ma go back to bed
no talk trash about rogue more
thorn fjord
Damn what happened
spice spire
Notes
gusty mirage
Damn what happened
dude was on the edge of freaking the fuck out
so I saved him from himself
royal lantern
Damn what happened
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486284970806083584/1101210078155132928/IMG_3154.png
our patchnotes happend 
silk bane
idk we were having a good conversation and one guy comes in and crys about notes (which are literally a summary of old notes. litearlly nothign new for anyone) and we go slow mode. Susge
gusty mirage
Yes, because people have shown repeatedly that you're able to continue a normal conversation when the crying starts to teeter toward insulting devs
open reef
its so funny contrast with shadow priest and rogues
tacit pebble
I sure would hate to discuss the spec in less than 5 minute increments, thankfully we won't let that happen 
strange python
Hahahahahah rogue is F’D. Go read the PvP changes not just our class changes. What in the ACTUAL 😂😂😂
wary ice
just here to contribute to the doom personally
runic hinge
This dude is just here to troll us into slow mode
spice spire
Paid actor
subtle tundra
i kissed my friend on the cheek last night while his gf and another girl were watching. remove slowmode
rain oyster
gusty mirage
I mean if people could have an adult conversation about things like they do in #subtlety it wouldn't be necessary to slowmode
now would it
but unfortunately
the last 18 rounds of this shit
I know how it's going to play out
and frankly I'd rather not babysit this chat while I'm at work
midnight mist
I mean if people could have an adult conversation about things like they do in <...
you meant #outlaw I think
gusty mirage
you meant <#316923682607857685> I think
no, I said adult
midnight mist
Yes
gusty mirage
go back to microwaving pasta
midnight mist
spice spire
Y’know what. We should give them a shot
Slow mode off
What’s the worst that could happen
eager solstice
when should we expect some intial sims?
spice spire
steep bough
This might be a slow question, but what is the significance of nature damage being put into the tier set?
runic hinge
Should just time out the 1 dude freaking out tbh
sonic schooner
Zac saying outlaw is made of adults but we know the zoomers meme isnt really a meme
gusty mirage
now you and cev can moderate
silk bane
Yes, because people have shown repeatedly that you're able to continue a normal ...
you as in me personally? wha. dude ive been so well behaved though. I only meme dont even doom 
gusty mirage
enjoy
strange python
Trinket 2 set - No cd reduction Kidney - 5 seconds @ max CP Kick - 3 seconds Sap - 6 Seconds Blind - 5 Seconds and the “changes” to our class if you can even call them changes.
subtle tundra
ok so the weird thing was that his gf was encouraging me so it felt weird and forced.
gusty mirage
you as in me personally? wha. dude ive been so well behaved though. I only meme ...
no, not you personally
spice spire
This might be a slow question, but what is the significance of nature damage bei...
It isn’t per se.
But it gets buffed by shiv which is technically something?
gusty mirage
even when you doom you have a regular conversation about it
wary ice
I'm torn between 
to prove oxi right, and behaving to not be a pain to mods 😦
silk bane
even when you doom you have a regular conversation about it
❤️ ❤️
royal lantern
Hahahahahah rogue is F’D. Go read the PvP changes not just our class changes. Wh...
all of that stuff is old, its just a summary of older patchnotes summed up
spice spire
I'm torn between <:TacoRiot:847159316842414090> to prove oxi right, and behaving...
Prove senpai wrong
gusty mirage
I'm torn between <:TacoRiot:847159316842414090> to prove oxi right, and behaving...
cev wanted slowmode off
now he can moderate when shit hits the fan
thorn fjord
@subtle tundra that made me giggle
gusty mirage
midnight mist
we behave guys 
tacit pebble
discord mods are so cringy lol, literally nothing was happening until you start making things happen
true rapids
but these are the FINAL patch notes aka all the doomposting is validated lol
strange python
What is this guy on about?
spice spire
I’m loosely here
runic hinge
y'all have fun
miss you already
strange python
Why is he being so dramatic??
subtle tundra
<@225677043482755072> that made me giggle
yea i mean im ok with kissing him cause we're bros and all but at least she should be annoyed
true rapids
buffs will come but for now it is not a good sign
storm belfry
amazing patch notes guys
spice spire
i kissed my friend on the cheek last night while his gf and another girl were wa...
This is what solved slow mode
dull cloak
don't worry after 1st raid week we will get a 3% overall damage buff
thorn fjord
Varas is the stabilizer that we need
strange python
Is there potential to changes happening prior to the patch from what we know so far?
steep bough
It isn’t per se.
But it gets buffed by shiv which is technically something?
Yeah so I would assume shiv right before or after deaths mark for more damage? Rupture before envenom windows or I’m not even sure
spice spire
Real @ both
spice spire
Is there potential to changes happening prior to the patch from what we know so ...
Yes
tacit pebble
Realistically barely anyone will play sin week 1 of raid and it probably won't perform very well so hopefully that gets the classic kneejerk buff
minor gate
I hope they buff exsan back to early xpac levels so sin can be good again. debat...
make it a capstone
thorn fjord
Start of 10.1 prob gonna be a sub angle
oak tangle
Why is he being so dramatic??
channel has near on no doom policy, and especially a no dev bashing one. which has happened on and off for a while now due to the patch notes, so when we get new people in that start that up it leads to chaos
spice spire
Yeah so I would assume shiv right before or after deaths mark for more damage? R...
Honestly it’s better to shiv inside of dm since it’s doubling your bleeds and poisons
tacit pebble
make it a capstone
Nah cuz then it's not 100% forced
steep bough
Honestly it’s better to shiv inside of dm since it’s doubling your bleeds and po...
Noted 🫡
thorn fjord
Shit I got muted for 2 days last time I shat on the devs
strange python
Ahh okay so there’s hope I wasn’t sure how patches go, thank god.
wary ice
Honestly it’s better to shiv inside of dm since it’s doubling your bleeds and po...
is there a double shiv angle here?
thorn fjord
Not doing that again
grim tangle
channel has a no sin rogue talk policy
spice spire
is there a double shiv angle here?
Maybe
I mean lightweight is decent
But idt it can handle rn
muted ridge
hey at least something good for us, hehe
spice spire
channel has a no sin rogue talk policy
True cats only
thorn fjord
hey at least something good for us, hehe
These the new CP gfx?
spice spire
Little too far with that one
minor gate
Nah cuz then it's not 100% forced
its better than arterial precision
silk bane
Honestly it’s better to shiv inside of dm since it’s doubling your bleeds and po...
hmm i think with new tierset this might change, the 40% nature damage window is 30 seconds which means u can get 2-ish shiv windows in there. so might be worth it to actually send shiv super early to have it back up as soon dm ends instead of having it for dm
strange python
Logically speaking I’d assume they haven’t adjusted rogue yet & have withdrawn on releasing expected changes. That’s my two cents anyways
minor gate
arterial precision is genuine trash
spice spire
Logically speaking I’d assume they haven’t adjusted rogue yet & have withdrawn o...
Comes down to manpower at a certain point
And I think currently we’re victims of that
tacit pebble
2x poisons shiv is probably better than 40% poisons+envenom dmg shiv
thorn fjord
Logically speaking I’d assume they haven’t adjusted rogue yet & have withdrawn o...
Thing is sub right now is pretty balanced so I feel like because of that they can take longer on sin
gaunt moat
hey at least something good for us, hehe
yeah but the rogue one looks meh compared to feral's hah
tacit pebble
I really doubt we play around the 40% dmg at all on ST tbh
spice spire
But somehow spriest gets green lit for its 800th rework
thorn fjord
yeah but the rogue one looks meh compared to feral's hah
Feral one is sexy
oak tangle
Logically speaking I’d assume they haven’t adjusted rogue yet & have withdrawn o...
my take is that they missed by so much with their adjustments in 10.0 they want to reactively patch us upwards rather than have us overperforming at the start and heavy handing us too far down
subtle tundra
i just died on kurog
spice spire
But also yeah
wary ice
But somehow spriest gets green lit for its 800th rework
In fairness, spreist reworks are apart of the class fantasy. You're supposed to feel your sanity slipping as you get to relearn how ur supposed to cast mind blast or whatever for the 8th time in 3 years
spice spire
Could be a gain
spice spire
In fairness, spreist reworks are apart of the class fantasy. You're supposed to ...
Real
thorn fjord
Are mages still blasting in ptr?
silk bane
dude feral one is so nice
oak sky
I just think its funny
wary ice
dude feral one is so nice
ferals tier?
silk bane
even though it doesnt make too much sense for us
spice spire
<:HUH:1038506396712452146>
In all fairness @thorn fjord started googling salaries and did a few things that were sus.
Was it harsh? Yeah. But there’s a reason Realz rarely talks in here tho.
Vibe was bad on some very menial changes, imagine him coming in now 💀💀
silk bane
no ferals combo point animation
wary ice
ah
storm belfry
my man dieslow took "state you salary and IO" to a whole NEW level
wary ice
i remember them being fairly unexcited by it
my hot take is the Kingsbane/DTB choice node was a good change
kingsbane just isnt tuned to compete with dtb
spice spire
subtle tundra
nerf dtb
spice spire
kingsbane just isnt tuned to compete with dtb
Uh
oak sky
my hot take is the Kingsbane/DTB choice node was a good change
It would only be a good change if it was coupled with a bunch of other ones
spice spire
I agreed until I actively looked at the difference
silk bane
In all fairness <@97773487619334144> started googling salaries and did a few thi...
i think youre coping, i think hes just not on rogue which is why hes not here. he still talks in dh discord and theyre legit worse than us. like legit every 2 sentence he typres 3 of them are him asking for people to not blame him and his friends personally for things or be mean to him on a personal level
spice spire
And it is bad
wary ice
I agreed until I actively looked at the difference
good thing i stopped reading aftre "i agree"
tacit pebble
I think kingsbane being forced to go with execute dam was perfect and made it have a very distinct feeling compared to dtb
thorn fjord
In all fairness <@97773487619334144> started googling salaries and did a few thi...
In short i learned my lesson
wary ice
I think kingsbane being forced to go with execute dam was perfect and made it ha...
Oh tuh rooooooooooooooo actually i forgot how nice KB pathing used to be
oak sky
Honestly i think they could do more with execute than just slap kingsbane there or slap ap ther
E
wary ice
my stance is that the KB vs DTB was already a choice, since u couldnt get 2 caps w/ DTB in the old tree
but that stance def ignores pathing structures
subtle tundra
ipetmypet got 421 survival weapon
spice spire
It “helped” our m+ build
subtle tundra
oooopa
oak sky
I would rather have kb in a choice node but it wouldve needed a bunch of other tree changes to make it make sense
spice spire
And that’s about all it did
tacit pebble
yea in a vacuum its a fine choice node, but there really isn't a possible way to tune it in the tree to work
strange python
my take is that they missed by so much with their adjustments in 10.0 they want ...
When compared to other classes? How about the PvP changes? We are incredibly susceptible to CC. Trinkets don’t give cc reduction now, and we lost a LOT of cc timings
spice spire
And killed KB
wary ice
pvp 
strange python
Ooof yeah sorry forgot 😂
haughty flicker
imagine pvping
royal lantern
When compared to other classes? How about the PvP changes? We are incredibly sus...
nobody cares about pvp 
haughty flicker
yikes
strange python
Do you guys not discuss PvP at all in here then?
tacit pebble
i'd rather hear pvp talk than m+ talk
oak sky
Do you guys not discuss PvP at all in here then?
Not really
royal lantern
mate, like 4 people play wow pvp at all
wary ice
Do you guys not discuss PvP at all in here then?
pvp is often not even talking about pvp
oak sky
Sometimes a little bit but this isnt a pvp channel
subtle tundra
i'd rather play ruthless poe than pvp
spice spire
Pvp often has a lot of people
strange python
I’m currently running assassination spec, so I guess that’s why I’ve posted in here I figured there would be a mix lol
twilit hollow
Based varas
royal lantern
pvp is often not even talking about pvp
pvp channel, aka "the same 6 people complaining about X class and calling eachother bad players"
spice spire
It’s just so like small that it’s all lumped into pvp
And @hollow river is the ringleader
strange python
Wait so you guys actually play assassination in PvE? Aren’t we like bottom of the barrel for damage in PvE?
spice spire
Now you see the doom 
royal lantern
Wait so you guys actually play assassination in PvE? Aren’t we like bottom of th...
yes
and its called passionate players that like the spec
subtle tundra
i dont play cause the spec is good
haughty flicker
royal lantern
not everyone is a FotM rat lol
oak sky
Some of us will play another class or spec for the tier but still participate in theorycrafting and discussion
strange python
yes
and its called passionate players that like the spec
Trust me I get it. All I’ve ever played/enjoyed is Sub Rogue but upon starting again and seeing assassination is about the only viable thing in PvP I opted to try it out 😮💨
twilit hollow
I play it because I enjoy suffering
subtle tundra
rn the survival dream is on
spice spire
rn the survival dream is on
This brother starving
tacit pebble
I play whatever spec is best for the boss on prog, but once farm is on I'm all in on sin lmao
subtle tundra
just ate a homemade quessadilla
oak sky
Feral dream
spice spire
MakeitMeow stonks rising
wary ice
yes
and its called passionate players that like the spec
Passionation
strange python
Technically speaking, and not to step on anyone’s toes, in terms of PvE it’s currently Outlaw > Sub > Ass right?
silk bane
just ate a homemade quessadilla
who made it? did u kiss em on the cheek to thank them?
subtle tundra
i always tell my mom i love her
silk bane
goo boi
spice spire
Technically speaking, and not to step on anyone’s toes, in terms of PvE it’s cur...
First two backwards
spice spire
It also depends on situation etc etc
oak sky
In raid
muted ridge
Technically speaking, and not to step on anyone’s toes, in terms of PvE it’s cur...
DH > rest of rogue specs, lets reroll together brother
oak sky
Like its kinda bad but not that bad
spice spire
sin just has its niche
oak sky
Its good on half the fights
spice spire
That it’s not the best or even top 3 at
muted ridge
niche of being good on ST and thats it
spice spire
Which kinda sucks
oak sky
Sin is good on eranog sennarth and terros 
spice spire
Sin is good on eranog sennarth and terros <:Surebud:1083827360815665235>
It’s a role player on dathea and broodkeeper too
That’s like
storm belfry
Sin actually isnt that bad
it is not
tacit pebble
its mid pack at its niche and bottom outside of it. Realistically it's perfectly playable, but it definitely feels terrible
strange python
Tbh on several tier lists for mythic+ or dungeons they typically has assassination at the bottom which is why I asked. I’ve started gearing quite a bit for a month and I’m starting to wonder if I should gear towards sub since that’s my favorite spec and just say screw it lol
spice spire
All I can legitimately say it’s fine
oak sky
Its not mid pack at st
oak tangle
I allegedly still play sin
silk bane
Sin is good on eranog sennarth and terros <:Surebud:1083827360815665235>
no , udk is good on earanog sennarth and terros. have u seent he udk damage on that boss
oak sky
Its not S but its like A tier boss damage if you go tier list style
silk bane
midnight mist
I allegedly still play sin
1 outlaw key?
storm belfry
Tbh on several tier lists for mythic+ or dungeons they typically has assassinati...
I do not feel weak or like im inting playing as sin in keys. doing up to 24s casually atm
oak sky
no , udk is good on earanog sennarth and terros. have u seent he udk damage on t...
Bro the game isnt a vacuum just because unholy is better doesnt mean sin cant be fine
tacit pebble
its 9 on terros, and within 100 dps of 14. thats definitely midpack ST
oak tangle
1 outlaw key?
i despise outlaw, and only did that to check if i still did
tacit pebble
its perfectly fine at its job, but its certainly not good at it
grim tangle
hey that's my gm rank 3 he sucks lmao
strange python
I’m not, but after playing assassination so heavily I mean it’s obvious we aren’t close to a top tier DPS class. I haven’t tried outlaw but nearly every list has them as the highest rogue spec in PvE regardless of what you’re doing, thought I’d ask
muted ridge
I allegedly still play sin
Assa and MW gamer, my man
hollow river
And <@629463378250956810> is the ringleader
strange python
I’ve been gearing heavily and started gearing a bit for PvE the past few days but wanted to consider maybe swapping, gonna wait until the patch before I do anything but you guys play it so I thought I’d ask
oak tangle
Assa and MW gamer, my man
118 for my sin 79 for mw
storm belfry
looking at you guys makes me feel like i do too many keys
royal lantern
Passionation
im not a NA or Bri*ish guy, dont blame me for shity english
muted ridge
I would've had more keys but got job in Jan and pmuch stopped doing keys. Only raid logged
strange python
Tbh I only have assassination a chance bc it’s the best spec for PvP so I’ve been playing it since I hit 70
storm belfry
all the specs for rogue are p good in pvp
wary ice
im not a NA or Bri*ish guy, dont blame me for shity english <:peepoguns:58573394...
No insult there, just making a shitty pun
spice spire
im not a NA or Bri*ish guy, dont blame me for shity english <:peepoguns:58573394...
Now say it in German so I can rip you to shreds
(Idk a single word in German)
royal lantern
all the specs for rogue are p good in pvp
not even that greeat rn
oak tangle
I would've had more keys but got job in Jan and pmuch stopped doing keys. Only r...
i did the opposite, quit my job before the expac and decided to come back to wow, now studying so lots of free time
strange python
I always played sub and even if it’s not the best, as long as it improves in 10.1 I’d consider making the switch and just staying sub with how gear works nowadays
storm belfry
rogue is always good in pvp
now after the kick and the sap shit changing idk
or blind sap w/e
royal lantern
Now say it in German so I can rip you to shreds
ich bin kein Ami oder Engländer, also schieb die schuld von meinem kack Englisch nicht auf mich
hollow river
all the specs for rogue are p good in pvp
strange python
Rogue is not very good atm
royal lantern
rogue is always good in pvp
mate, i dont even PvP and i know that this is not true lol
muted ridge
i did the opposite, quit my job before the expac and decided to come back to wow...
so ur opposite of me lmao. I was student till Jan, said fuck this major and got a job.
royal lantern
"rogue is always good in pvp" is a take from the "i got ganked in open world and hate the class cus of it" crowd
spice spire
storm belfry
or what was it
dawn kelp
strange python
Yeaaah go step into BG’s or an arena even with assassination and you’re in for a rude wake up call. I figure 10.1 will bring us back but we’ll see lol
storm belfry
was double OL earlier this season
royal lantern
literally RMP is good eveyr season
it isnt, and there are 3 classes in RPM, not just rogue lol
storm belfry
Yeaaah go step into BG’s or an arena even with assassination and you’re in for a...
i do for fun and its not bad
like it may not be as good as before
hollow river
was double OL earlier this season
That was SL s3
royal lantern
its Rogue Mage Priest, not Rogue Rogue Rogue
storm belfry
but you guys are acting like its turbo ass
royal lantern
lmao
hollow river
It kinda is turbo ass atm
storm belfry
but they arent as bad as ppl are making it seem
hollow river
oak tangle
when will sin rogue become a battle pet
spice spire
I’m turbo ass atm
strange python
Are you lost in the sauce? Just bc it’s not top tier doesn’t mean we can’t be real about it lol
spice spire
Tbf
royal lantern
minigame
that would be pet battles, and they get more content and focus from blizzard for a good reason
spice spire
hollow river
skill issue
Horrible take
spice spire
Ya’ll gonna make me lose my mind
storm belfry
that would be pet battles, and they get more content and focus from blizzard for...
i think that means that pvp is the minigame
compared to pet battles
if it gets more love than pvp
hollow river
Absolute garbanzo take
gray crest
Ya’ll gonna make me lose my mind <a:insanecat:1093978367159717991>
That's assuming you haven't already
storm belfry
there are worse takes in ehre all the time
spice spire
True
storm belfry
if rogue is so bad then why are you trying to play it and come here asking questions but you seem to already know the answers to
like
go play another class
doom somewhere elsde
strange python
Let’s just stay positive and hope we have some changes because I believe rogue will get more changes than what’s been released so far. With the amount of nerfs we have to imo
spice spire
Now might be a good time
storm belfry
hell yeah
dull cloak
did someone say sin is bottom barrel damage because they looked at the overall damage vault statistics on wcl
strange python
Nobody is dooming. You’re being dramatic. We aren’t the best in PvP at the moment… You’ll survive lol
spice spire
Very small one
wary ice
royal lantern
did someone say sin is bottom barrel damage because they looked at the overall d...
i mean, its bad lol
dull cloak
but is it bottom barrel 🤔
storm belfry
i literally do not care about pvp. i just know the class isn't terrible as some are making it. they make the same claims in pve
spice spire
royal lantern
strange python
Here’s what I’m curious about. Some of the bigger rogue PvP streamers/YouTubers have talked about changes I don’t see on wowhead that would put sub as a top tier PvP class again, so I’m wondering where they’re pulling that info
runic hinge
No slow mode for 30 minutes boys we were winning
oak tangle
sin being good or bad damage wise isn't what alot of us care about though. it's what we do have being ass to paly
wary ice
Out their bums 🙂
storm belfry
pls make slow mode 1hr
gray crest
haughty flicker
strange python
Tbh I like the play style for assassination, I assume I enjoy it more than I would “outlaw”
hollow river
Here’s what I’m curious about. Some of the bigger rogue PvP streamers/YouTubers ...
If you can name any of them I’d be happy to answer, but let’s move PvP discussion to #pvp 
strange python
slow
storm belfry
tier lists. cringe content where most of the time the person doesn't even research the classes/specs most of the time. for views
royal lantern
we need aloo spam
spice spire
oak tangle
Just like our rotation
can we petition to have our 2 minute cooldown pause our energy regen bur make our dots tick out slower so we can afk
uncut echo
Hehehe
storm belfry
hi delta.
hi ahri.
spice spire
can we petition to have our 2 minute cooldown pause our energy regen bur make ou...
I didn’t think I could read something worse than the patch notes
But here we are
bleak sky
I didn’t think I could read something worse than the patch notes
i'll send you something worse right now bud
spice spire
i'll send you something worse right now bud
No balls
strange python
I didn’t think I could read something worse than the patch notes
that sounds like something feral discord would advocate for lol
At least Feral’s are getting buffs
spice spire
can we petition to have our 2 minute cooldown pause our energy regen bur make ou...
@bronze pike you have any fixes for me king?
haughty flicker
spice spire
that sounds like something feral discord would advocate for lol
They seem nice-ish over there. I won’t hate on them
subtle tundra
got 5 piece all mythic on hunter
spice spire
I’m learning the forbidden spec currently so
wary ice
They seem nice-ish over there. I won’t hate on them
The only bit of hate feral deserves is how the games been out for 19 years and they're still making "haha ima cat" jokes
bronze pike
<@264107551950503937> you have any fixes for me king?
i can fart one out, gib me a sec
shrewd night
haughty flicker
only if you can fart once every minute
spice spire
The only bit of hate feral deserves is how the games been out for 19 years and t...
True. Spec tree is actually insane tho I’m not gonna lie to u
That shit bussin
wary ice
That shit **bussin**
Agrid, feral is an absolute blast to play until you're in st with incarn not up
oak sky
i'll send you something worse right now bud
Kiss me thru the discord call
oak tangle
i know i sometimes have some cooked takes to be fair. but that one was straight sarcasm
spice spire
I leveled as feral
spice spire
i know i sometimes have some cooked takes to be fair. but that one was straight ...
Oh I know homie ur good
If I’m actually concerned; I’ll let you know
But if I’m emoting; we’re chuckling
bronze pike
okay okay you know how envenom exist right? we nerf it by 50% BUT BUT BUT we make it have a dot component. this dot lasts 30 seconds but it ticks every 3 seconds. but its ramping damage and can be stacked up to 5 times. to make this balance, it doesnt give you energy and isnt effected by dot effectring talents or abilities. your welcome
spice spire
okay okay you know how envenom exist right? we nerf it by 50% BUT BUT BUT we mak...
You watch/read MhA (weeb reference lmfao) ?
wary ice
Why does it last for 30s if it ticks 5 times everyb3
bronze pike
You watch/read MhA (weeb reference lmfao) ?
i read mha, but i dont see how this relates 
perhaps i subconciously added weeb flair. @wary ice so it can be strong
spice spire
i read mha, but i dont see how this relates <:monkahmm:585734084571955211> perha...
You know the scene where the Jean dude is struggling to keep the giant mf trapped and his eyes are like straight bleeding? That was me reading that
I needed that ty
midnight mist
L dont know the command
haughty flicker
quick someone say something toxic
spice spire
L dont know the command
And you did mister microwave pasta? 🤨
final star
he still cooks more than me then
spice spire
True
midnight mist
And you did mister microwave pasta? 🤨
yes I know all the commands, I will have you know I know about everything about all the commands, in fact you can ask me any question about any commands and I will be able to answer it with perfect accuracy, thats how big on commands I am
oak tangle
microwaved leftover pasta goes hard what you guys on about
spice spire
yes I know all the commands, I will have you know I know about everything about ...
Whoah buddy save some for the rest of us
midnight mist
no
spice spire
O
spice spire
silk bane
@uncut echo how was your 23547234234 hour car trip. u survived?
bronze pike
none for you
hey yo
um
first whispyr micro waves nuggets and now i learn you micro wave pasta?l
like wtf is wrong with mods here
lol
royal lantern
yes I know all the commands, I will have you know I know about everything about ...
tell me about the commands
bronze pike
green is cloise enough
midnight mist
Im just a random that does apl stuff sometimes
oak sky
I like calling greens staff
bronze pike
i have a outlaw change
wary ice
Wait is it like "I have left over pasta and will microwave it to heat it up" or "I will cook this pasta by microwaving it"
spice spire
Wait is it like "I have left over pasta and will microwave it to heat it up" or ...
The latter
midnight mist
cooking of course
oak tangle
how else do you cook easy mac or your add water and microwave pastas
wary ice
On the stove like a human
uncut echo
<@146781181864706050> how was your 23547234234 hour car trip. u survived?
Didnt kill myself
So im blooming
spice spire
Only positives here today in #assassination blessed
strange python
i thought i wasnt in assassination channel because it wasn't in slowmode
i had to double check
grim tangle
oh they tried
haughty flicker
twice
haughty flicker
grim tangle
WE CANNOT BE SILENCED
spice spire
subtle tundra
its ok im GETTING the rasz bow
storm belfry
you are hunter now?
storm belfry
oak tangle
get it for outlaw mog
grim jay
get it for outlaw mog
there are rules
its not ok to implicate or suggest that someone plays outlaw
flint tusk
is assassination actually the only spec in the game not mentioned in the 10.1 official patch notes? ;p
haughty flicker
i mean pvp doesnt count so no
winged veldt
Rogue has nada lol!!!!
heavy forge
I mean honestly I'm more sad for my bear than rogue reading the patchnote
grim jay
not nadal
winged veldt
Can’t even make this shit up anymore lol! They trying to see who the strong are before they buff it after others have made new mains lol
winged veldt
Range eating real nice rn lol
haughty flicker
ret and uh are pumping
survival seems to be still quite good in st, though not as good as s1
but its survival so it wont be played
so we can ignore that one
grim jay
survival seems to be still quite good in st, though not as good as s1
that thing needs to be tuned through the roof
to have many people play it
gaunt moat
Can’t even make this shit up anymore lol! They trying to see who the strong are ...
Well that's literally "made up" because they never said that regarding this patch.
heavy forge
it was in the end for shadowland, didn't stay and even tho they wern't that much playing it
winged veldt
Hard to tuned that cuz their main damage is bombs right? They up that for st and aoe is out of this world. They tune it down for aoe and ruin its st lol
winged veldt
Well that's literally "made up" because they never said that regarding this patc...
Hard to sense /sarcasm I see
haughty flicker
i mean this season afaik you didnt even use bomb in st
because of how tier worked
it was giga mongoose spam
winged veldt
Man taking things so literal when it’s a joke lol
heavy forge
Hard to tuned that cuz their main damage is bombs right? They up that for st and...
describing feral 
let's put bite and Rip in AOE so we can't touch anything anymore
dull cloak
is assassination actually the only spec in the game not mentioned in the 10.1 of...
I didn't see WW
gaunt moat
Hard to sense /sarcasm I see
you weren't sarcastic about the part i replied to
flint tusk
I didn't see WW
they've got some pvp changes
winged veldt
Bruh can you fucking read simple English? That is literally a meme. You need to find a corner lol
haughty flicker
uh oh
spice spire
I mean honestly I'm more sad for my bear than rogue reading the patchnote
How’s bear tier? Because we’re kinda propped by ours currently and next tier I’m not hopeful - that’s where some disappointment comes in
heavy forge
bear will be pretty much the same as now afaik
spice spire
heavy forge
but they've got new animations !
oak sky
Sht
winged veldt
“They trying to see who the strong are” meaning who will stick with rogue when it sucks. “Then buff it after others have new mains” if you can’t tell this is a meme and a joke then you need help @gaunt moat
oak sky
Kt (kitty techniques)
heavy forge
I don't like feral gameplay in ST currently, I'll do a tier as rogue I guess
gaunt moat
“They trying to see who the strong are” meaning who will stick with rogue when i...
it's okay, you are very smart and handsome.
spice spire
And that I’m not a fan of
heavy forge
damage isn't better it looks like but I like dots more than shred bite spam
spice spire
I’ve also only spent like 20ish hours playing feral now
haughty flicker
you press garrote and rupture sometimes too
haughty flicker
idk im not a furry
spice spire
Playing feral doesn’t make you a furry 
heavy forge
berserk is a mem CD even more, it does the same thing as 4P
spice spire
heavy forge
'1CP every 1.5sec'
spice spire
Yeah
heavy forge
jeez
heavy forge
I came back here hopping to just dot stuff
spice spire
That’s the difference in getting
spice spire
I came back here hopping to just dot stuff
Dots will be a bigger bit next season; but rn our envenom damage is bigger than the rest
oak sky
Its only garrote and rupture
spice spire
Sbs
oak sky
Sbs is an instant damage builder
spice spire
Ct next tier? 
heavy forge
yeah but new vendetta + exsang seemed fun
spice spire
It has a dot
oak sky
The dot isnt something you refresh
runic hinge
Plus we get exsang
spice spire
yeah but new vendetta + exsang seemed fun
It can be sure
heavy forge
saw exsang went to a 3min CD tho
oak sky
Like if the goal is to do more dotting
spice spire
If it were good enough
oak sky
You dont get more dotting
spice spire
CT ST
oak sky
You do probably roughly the same amount
spice spire
You actually do less dotting with sin (feelcraft)
oak sky
Yeah i mean
spice spire
And more unloading/envenom spam
oak sky
With ER and 6 cp max
spice spire
Because you have more resources to do it to
oak sky
Less rupture than rip
heavy forge
well I'll see then, I always end up playing rogue/feral/brewmaster anyway
oak sky
Damn that actually sucks that they killed thrash in st
heavy forge
thanks for the inputs :p
oak sky
Tho
heavy forge
yeah
oak sky
I thought it was unique that feral actually had a different like
heavy forge
they killed every bit of bleed management in feral
oak sky
Use for its dots and whatnot
spice spire
Gl friend
oak sky
But fucking blizzard hates having unique specs
Like they constantly make everything play the same
gaunt moat
I love it that patch notes for major patch come out and we're discussing feral 
heavy forge
OR I just fuck it and go SP but my roster would go insane after all the caster trashtalk we did all tier 
SP's fun tho
oak sky
Imo the priest rework made it worse
heavy forge
didn't dive into the new one, played it a bit mid season but that's all
isn't it like a combat rogue now ? psychic link only for aoe
grim jay
Imo the priest rework made it worse
dunno, feels better to me, its kinda hit or miss
oak sky
No surge of darkness is pretty lame to me
haughty flicker
hit or miss has described spriest for the last decade
oak sky
I think dp cleaving is fine but i think i personally like mind sear more
spice surge
Spriest is getting their weekly rework in 10.1 anyway
oak sky
Dot extension is weird in aoe now right
heavy forge
sCrash behind capped to 8 is the real deal for me
haughty flicker
Spriest is getting their weekly rework in 10.1 anyway
thats what the discussion is about
oak sky
sCrash behind capped to 8 is the real deal for me
Well if you roll sin get used to it lol
heavy forge
yeah sin I know about it :p more familiar with the history
oak sky
Yeah thats the other thing
spice spire
Spriest is getting their weekly rework in 10.1 anyway
Real
oak sky
I dont mind psychic link/ ic
oak sky
But it feels better when you have the option to mass aoe with your spender
Like ct/mind sear
spice spire
give me shrouded suffocation manual dotting plz
You still can :^)
spice spire
9.1 sin aoe <:besad:507266809431326729>
Bro it was the same all tier
9.2 just gave us the mini game of “you’re funneling once a minute” too
oak sky
9.2 was doggers
Did no aoe at all
Damage was actually good in 9.1
You got rewarded for playing well
burnt latch
9.2 sin best version of any rogue spec to date
spice spire
Because there was more ST bits at that time due to the affix
It was legit the SSDD
Just with a twist
oak sky
9.1 raid was okish but shards are so awful
spice spire
I liked shards in dungeons
oak sky
Like any winds of winter defenders need to be executed (in game)
spice spire
Brother?
spice spire
The singular bonuses did
oak sky
Each shard yeah
spice spire
But the set did not
burnt latch
Oh right right
oak sky
Accretion was super good
And the damage bonus at the start of the pack
But bro those fat obedience vendetta prio openers
Spread ruptures maintain ct
🤤
Sbs spread 🤤
heavy forge
I spent to much time in dreamgrove since legion
oak sky
Im want to see how well i can do without dreamgrove tbh
spice spire
Three of which was me sending George in their off topic
oak sky
My main problem is i need talent builds
spice spire
And speaking to mister Baer (nice fellow) about him
I double checked, four messages. 3 about George, and 1 saying that rogue is dooming
spice spire
subtle tundra
who can play survival here
oak sky
Not me
subtle tundra
fac
heavy forge
legion surv
spice spire
Uh
oak sky
Deeny
heavy forge
must be the best spec I ever saw in this game
oak sky
Colorpoggers
spice spire
There was a survival main somewhere
haughty flicker
brazen zodiac
oh no
strange python
What item level per say do I need to start doing normal raids on assassination?
dull cloak
maybe rogue is just perfectly balanced hence zero change needed
spice spire
haughty flicker
i mean
every time another spec is nerfed its a buff to us
so if they just nerf everyone else im fine with that
grim jay
BC timewalking
time to level my warlock I guess
😄
@alpine latch just farm academy on like 15 and you will get it before next season. dont let them belittle you at acherus 👁️
spice spire
Dk server 
grim jay
caught our boi
alpine latch
I talked about it in sub, so joke's on you
My guild lost our only DK, our tanks aren't the best and one of them isn't super reliable
So, my options are: main rogue, alt warrior
Or main DK
Both my DK and my warrior are only like ~380 item level
I don't have time to focus a singular item when I need all gear
So IDK that I'm goign to play DK at all
I don't really want to become a raid tank
But, historically we've only had one good tank and he quit 2-3 tiers ago
alpine latch
The issue is if I got DK, I have to main it
Because they're going to want me to bring grip whether I tank or not
alpine latch
you are like 400 ilvl in a day
uhhh, how/
spice spire
Not a fan of dk dps