assassination

[unreal bear]

we're just fury warriors with leather

[royal lantern]

thats Outlaw

fuck off

[grim jay]

If you hate yourself enough to play OL

[unreal bear]

hehe

[storm forum]

We're arms warriors with stealth

[gaunt moat]

and worse execute

[unreal bear]

no because we don't do a million damage on execute phase 😢

[storm forum]

We still have left side KB in my heart

[unreal bear]

i never got to play with kingsbane enough to enjoy it

[storm forum]

Bless ur heart

[thorn fjord]

I thought it was really good

[grim jay]

I liked it ever since Legion. Should be a baseline skill

[unreal coyote]

isnt BM an afk spec too? why arent they getting the bat?

[grim jay]

Wdym too

Only real afk specs are bm and fury

MAYBE frost, but even shatter combo and shattering icicles is harder than fury and bm

[storm forum]

Same, but also kb is pretty complex with a lot of not necessarily intuitive interactions so I think it works best as an optional capstone talent.

[royal lantern]

and worse st dmg

and worse aoe dmg

and worse cleave

and worse utility

[unreal coyote]

but we have cloak

dont forget

XD

[royal lantern]

spellreflect btw

[storm forum]

I'm pretty sure spell reflect is just cloak on a 30 second CD

[unreal coyote]

it amazes me why they wont let assa just be great ST

its all we do

its all we want i think

lol

[gaunt moat]

We got DR poison

[royal lantern]

nah, cloak is stronger overall cus it works on all magic dmg

but spell reflect is really fking broken when it reflects stuff cus its just giant dps and full immunity on 20sec cd

[gaunt moat]

cloak also works retroactively a lot of the time, removing debuffs.

[grim jay]

If you make it optional bcs complex, then you would need to tune it higher than the alternative and everyone will play it anyways. I think a strong poison should be baseline to make it a equally bleed AND poison based playstyle

[storm forum]

I'll concede this point when rogues get taunt to cloak tank busters

[unreal coyote]

who wants to do that though?

lol

not me

[storm forum]

I dont think it needs to be better, just having it just be on par (like within 1%) with alternatives is fine because there are times when you want to have 1 minute burst on a fight. Also I think it's just fun to play.

[unreal coyote]

here to blast not to help tank

tnx

[uncut echo]

Wtf you mean

Helping the tank in insanely fun

[storm forum]

You can blast better if you need to taunt a mechanic instead of move out of melee to cloak a soak

[scenic sky]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Symbiosis druid used to have this gave rogue taunt 🥲 evasion tanking ftw 🥲

[uncut echo]

Saving a run bc you evasion tanked is actually so goated

[gaunt moat]

When does US reset happen?

[uncut echo]

6 today

Est

3 pst

Server should br up around then

[unreal coyote]

servers gon be down forever

expect longer probs

[gaunt moat]

how long till then?

[unreal coyote]

8hrs

[uncut echo]

8 hours

[unreal coyote]

or so

[gaunt moat]

thanks

[unreal coyote]

what they say anyway

[gaunt moat]

it's about 12 hours for EU

[unreal bear]

that's assuming maintenance actually goes well

[unreal coyote]

^^^

[storm forum]

Week long maintenance time let's go

[unreal coyote]

i bet there will be at least 1 extra maint

this week

[gaunt moat]

well they already said it's 8 hour maintenance

[storm belfry]

[gaunt moat]

So, gonna be interesting if they actually buff onyx annulet on live.
to the point where for sin it's +0% and for outlaw like 5%.

[thorn fjord]

7am-3pm PST -_-

[sick aspen]

we're not chasing it currently that right @gaunt moat ?

[sick aspen]

oof, yep

[subtle kiln]

you should chase it. enough specs are having issue with it expect it to get buffed based on ion interviews

[gaunt moat]

which brings back to:
it's probably gonna be like

+0% for sin and +5% to outlaw

[subtle kiln]

dom shard 1.0. they sucked until they magically were op

right now combos too much of a pain in the ass to sim.

seeing some of the gem interaction in outlaw sims in interesting

[oak tangle]

i imagine it does well if we dont have a diurna ring?

[subtle kiln]

no?

[stiff geode]

Let the 8 hour maint begin!

[oak tangle]

it's -1% from BiS
if bis includes diruna and cowl which itself is 4%

[subtle kiln]

cowl trigger ring

[oak tangle]

if you dont have diurna which is like 2.5%

[subtle kiln]

ring doesn’t trigger cowl

[oak tangle]

right, i'm saying if you don't have bis atm which includes the diurna ring, then it should be an upgrade

[subtle kiln]

or farm cos and get AA ring and crafted

[oak tangle]

??

[subtle kiln]

the proc rate is shit right now on the new ring and zero stats

in pure ST the cos ring is still v good for assa

[oak tangle]

yeah it's BiS with the seal of Diurna

i have it, i don't have a seal of diurna which is worth 2.5% so if the new ring is -1% then theoretically still means it'll be a 1.5% for me

[spice spire]

Lfr eranog ring is better

[oak tangle]

not according to sims tho

i need H or M

[subtle kiln]

link sim?

[oak tangle]

let me pull up ptr to do one

[gaunt moat]

Unholy DKs dooming

But it's okay, they'll still burst for one trillion damage and get PI.

[uncut echo]

Man I really like it

When all we do now is just shit on every other class

Bc we got nerfed

It's really fun

[cursive frost]

The knee jerk heroic weeks 1 and 2 performance nerfs

[uncut echo]

They happen

They've happened to every class in the game before

It turned out sin rogue got it

We're still good, we being a raid debuff

[earnest remnant]

stop making sense ahri

[uncut echo]

No, I refuse to just sit here and pander to people dooming on loop

[cursive frost]

I mean I still play assa on like 4 bosses in mythic

[uncut echo]

I play it on 6, we are not the same

Lmao I kid

But like

[cursive frost]

Lol my RL won’t let me sit boss on dath sadly

[earnest remnant]

i play it on 0 but i watch people play it

does that count

[uncut echo]

It counts bc you're my favorite

[earnest remnant]

[cursive frost]

Actually I play assa on 5, sub on 2 and outlaw on kurog

[storm belfry]

I hope the new ring stays shit

[uncut echo]

Senselessly dooming isn't worth it

Hyperfixating on a piece of shit midpatch ring

[storm belfry]

I may be alone in that

[uncut echo]

That will be gone in 6 weeks

Is the biggest waste of mental energy I have ever seen

[cursive frost]

Think 10.1 only 6 weeks away?

[uncut echo]

Mid may, is my guess

[cursive frost]

I was thinking 5/23 at earliest

[spice spire]

Ptr up, event going until 5/2

Even then, it’s what, 8 weeks?

[uncut echo]

Yeah

Regardless

Literally nonsensical that we fixate on ring instead of class tree fixes, bug fixes, and THEN tuning

[storm belfry]

Yeah honestly the ring imo is a waste of time

And I assume it’s a test run for feedback of something they want to add or plan on adding in the future

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-dead-beating-gif-9285411

DK's complaining makes me giggle

[cursive frost]

Apparently shards of domination dev didn’t get laid off

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/hehehee-teehee-gif-26106198

[slow tulip]

i wonder how much will ion buff the 10.7 wing to actually be an upgrade

my guess is 3-5%

[uncut echo]

I genuinely doubt

[thorn fjord]

They dont want the ring to be that strong

[uncut echo]

It gets touched by any relevant amount

Yeah

[thorn fjord]

I think the ring is more of an alt thing

Its basically a heres something till 10.1 enjoy

But if you're already decked out theres no need to do shit

[uncut echo]

Its for my dogwater spriest

Not my main rogue

[slow tulip]

i guess 2% atleast to be actually bis

but ye, not more than 4% maybe

[thorn fjord]

Upgrade for everyone but to be replaced in S2

[uncut echo]

Bruh I fucking hope

[thorn fjord]

So like what we get to use it for 4 weeks?

[uncut echo]

It isn't good

[thorn fjord]

8 weeks not 4

i dunno

Yeah i agree @uncut echo

[slow tulip]

no stats on it :/

[uncut echo]

Ye

Proc go brr

[subtle kiln]

I play ST builds (Sub or Assa) more than I don’t this raid. it’s what our comp needs.

[uncut echo]

I don't understand

Is this you telling me you want the ring to be good

[subtle kiln]

people dooming on a ST spec

[unreal bear]

i doom on a ST spec that is heavily cd dependent and isn't really a standout at the one thing it can do

[subtle kiln]

that aside, the ring should be good if that’s their content nerf for this mid patch

[uncut echo]

Then swap to a good onr

[subtle kiln]

rogue trees need help. the silence ain’t good

[uncut echo]

A drop in play rate gets your buff

[uncut echo]

100% agree

[subtle kiln]

swap to arms pop off

[uncut echo]

But going on for literal months

[unreal bear]

yeah i already play sub for m+ and certain vault fights

[subtle kiln]

same speed as assa

[uncut echo]

Same

[unreal bear]

the sad part is that it's already so god damn low

[uncut echo]

Go lower

Like

Idk what to tell you

But screaming into the void that is a spec channrl on a discord when the head TCs if the spec have voiced their concerns to the dev

There isn't much you're going to do about it

[spice spire]

Until you get into trial

[subtle tundra]

I believe

[unreal bear]

don't get the wrong impression, i've made my peace with where the spec sits and i've done what i can to enjoy the game for what it is.

[subtle tundra]

Tonight we get the good newsies

[unreal bear]

that doesn't mean i'll be happy about it.

[subtle kiln]

trial dn?

[uncut echo]

Thats fine

[spice spire]

I might

Problem?

[uncut echo]

But it's constant

[spice spire]

That seems cope. But I appreciate the rare optimism angle from you

[subtle kiln]

@spice spire should we google calendar schedule keys this week?

[spice spire]

Bruh

[uncut echo]

Jesus

[spice spire]

[uncut echo]

LMAO

[gaunt moat]

Point of the ring is catch-up and soft nerf to raszagath that you work for. There's nothing wrong with that.
just hopefully it'll actually be worth it. new content that's worse than old rewards is not very fun.

[unreal bear]

it's to be expected, i dunno. there's nothing on the horizon for the spec and people grow impatient and frustrated.

[spice spire]

Tn + Friday night+ Saturday are what I got man

[unreal bear]

the biggest takeaway for me from the dooming is understanding the bad position blizz put themselves in with regards to assa

hard to just 'fix'

[subtle kiln]

we try for saturday

[spice spire]

Pray another 12 io opportunity does not pop up

I’m definitely joking

[thorn fjord]

Id be good for Sat

Maybe tonight if servers come up on time

[spice spire]

[uncut echo]

A singular ring is not content

[thorn fjord]

Tell that to Tolkien

[subtle kiln]

yes and nah. we add to it. we have some of the best sims before content goes live and you can’t convince me that the info is not used by blizzard. their own systems should be doing the balancing and not reliant on outside number geeks to send trustworthy info to them

[gaunt moat]

?
there's a whole solo dungeon-puzzle thing around it

what do you call that

[thorn fjord]

Annoying

[subtle kiln]

it’s nice if you’ve been on the ptr

[gaunt moat]

if you don't like playin the game, that's not much of an argument

[uncut echo]

I adore the game

So much

[subtle kiln]

what if it was 13?

[uncut echo]

I do not adore people coming in here screaming bloody murder when we're 5th bis in ST

[spice spire]

Buddy I’ll block you for 13 io

[thorn fjord]

4th buddy check yoself @uncut echo

[subtle kiln]

!mr #assassination

[spice spire]

Again this is a joke

[royal lantern]

you would be suprised how many people absolutely hate playing WoW and complain every time they are "forced" to play it 🙂

[subtle kiln]

[cobalt hemlock]

thats some seek help type of shit

[royal lantern]

I JUST WANNA RAIDLOG OMG DONT FORCE ME TO PLAY

then do it? idk man, then accept that you gonna do 2%less dps than somone that plays the game actively?

[subtle kiln]

think that’s called addiction

[royal lantern]

aka all onnline games ever

[gaunt moat]

I really don't understand the mentality. you get something to do. you get rewarded. that's the gist of the game

[royal lantern]

[spice spire]

What if you’re the opposite

[thorn fjord]

If the reward sucks i dont want to do some obscure bs

[spice spire]

And you enjoy playing wow

[thorn fjord]

That'll more than likely annoy me

[subtle kiln]

why be rewarded when blizzard will just nerf us again. -Doomer

[subtle tundra]

Cock!

[thorn fjord]

Because blizzard is notoriously bad at doing puzzle like content

[royal lantern]

99% of league players only play league because they played it for 10+ years at this point, they dont actually enjoy a single second and are just constantly tilted because of the game

change my mind

[gaunt moat]

@thorn fjord Exactly what i'm saying. it's not as fun when it's not rewarding.

[uncut echo]

Sure it is

[royal lantern]

why get gear when its all ussules next expansion smh my head

[uncut echo]

You're playing 1 spec on a tri dps class

[subtle kiln]

they’re just playing a new game of how many accounts can I make and still be a toxic muppet

[uncut echo]

Complaining that something isn't a margainal upgrade

Hot take

[thorn fjord]

its still only like .7 on OL tho aint it?

[subtle kiln]

3.2

[gaunt moat]

a lot more

[thorn fjord]

oh damn

[uncut echo]

Tribrid dps classes should have to play multiple specs

[subtle kiln]

but outlaw is the outlier in the entire game

[uncut echo]

You offer nothing else

[spice spire]

I refuse

[thorn fjord]

I agree with that @uncut echo

[subtle tundra]

Nah

[spice spire]

I’m a blessed OTP.

[subtle tundra]

I play what the fuck I want

[spice spire]

I literally learned warrior to avoid playing outlaw

[royal lantern]

no 🙂

[thorn fjord]

I think triple dps specs should atleast be proficient in two of the 3

In higher leveled content

[spice spire]

(I’m being obtuse intentionally)

[uncut echo]

Yeah, thats fine

Accept you wont be bis everywhere

Idk

[royal lantern]

sorry ahri, but no

other specs should be a option, but it should never be a situation where the game is litearlly forcing you to play something else because, for some reason, blizzard gives tripple dps classes weird nieches and solo dps classes can do all at once lol

[thorn fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-horse-spank-exhausted-wake-up-gif-17245109

[subtle tundra]

Well I can still complain about the dogshitness of assa in m+

Full of disadvantage and nothing that's good at

[royal lantern]

like, yeha, outlaw should do more aoe cus its the idiot spammy bladeflury spec

but that doesnt mean assa should do 0 aoe, simply because outlaw exists

[gaunt moat]

I personally view specs as classes on their own. I play assassination. that's the identity of my character.
changing spec is the same as playing a different class for me.

[subtle kiln]

survival and feral say hi, for literally ever

[uncut echo]

No I 100% agree

I'm fully in support of sin getting an aoe rework

[royal lantern]

thats more of an "blizzard doesnt know what to do there and just ignores them and hopes people stop complaining"

[uncut echo]

Do NOT get me wrong

[thorn fjord]

But sin shouldnt be doing OL levels of aoe

[royal lantern]

^

like, all specs should atleast WORK everywhere

[subtle tundra]

Huh

[green juniper]

mfw only have one 20 m+ and 2 mythic raid bosses for my vault tomorrow.. am I finally quitting?

[royal lantern]

dude, i only do 1key for vault for the last 2 months now

[subtle kiln]

the specs need their own strengths and weaknesses

[royal lantern]

lol

[thorn fjord]

If sin could output at the level that OL and Sub do in AOE the class would be hella broken

[subtle tundra]

Outlaw should go back to 5t

[gaunt moat]

that's fine, you can have an edge on a niche, but it shouldn't be the only scenario it's worth using you for.

[green juniper]

[subtle kiln]

outlaw keeps trying to turn sub into outlaw jr apm wise

[subtle tundra]

You're trippin

[thorn fjord]

Nah you know its true... sucks but its true.. if we were giga chading in all aspects it would be broken

[uncut echo]

A 1 trick dps pony on a tribrid is asking to be sat

[subtle tundra]

Not true cause assa still loses a lot from the way its designed

[subtle kiln]

you’re only getting away with that if you’re that good or the GM of the guild.

[subtle tundra]

From affixes and low living targets and chaining

And sacrificing utility for dps

[gaunt moat]

It's been a long time since Ion said "being the player not the class"
so the whole Spec X does aoe, spec Y does ST, shouldn't be relevant.
and especially true for a class like monk, where they only have 1 dps spec, but ST is ass.

while feral can do both ST and AoE proficiently.

[royal lantern]

it should be like

"allright, i can play assa for this fight and do decent aoe because is needed"

and NOT "assa has no aoe, if you play it, its because you are either trolling or because the RL has mercy with you/doesnt care"

like, you should be able to always be able to do SOMETHING in a fight, ofc never at the strenght of something that is supposed to be great at it, but still

[uncut echo]

Agreed, 100%

[thorn fjord]

But can they do that simultaneously?

[uncut echo]

I'm being misconstrued here

[uncut echo]

No

They cannot

[royal lantern]

like, outlaw should do more aoe than assa/sub by default, but should not do shit ST at the same time, assa should not do 0 aoe because it has slightly more ST than the other specs etc....

[gaunt moat]

WW can't do it at all is the point.

[thorn fjord]

Yeah theyre in a bad spot ST wise

[uncut echo]

A class

That passively cleaves

Shouldnt do good ST

[thorn fjord]

What tyran said is pretty much the point i was trying to get across

[uncut echo]

Like monk

Like dh

Damage profiles exist

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

[uncut echo]

Like outlaw

[thorn fjord]

But you still bring 1 monk because of their debuff

We dont have unique raid utility like that

[gaunt moat]

Depends what you define as "good ST".
should it just not have any ST at all like it is right now?
or should it be aligned with mid-pack ST like most classes.

[uncut echo]

No, it should be bottom barrel

[gaunt moat]

so i don't agree with that

[uncut echo]

Sin and bm and unholy should be top

A class thst can passively cleave to shit for free

Should be 5-10% lower

[thorn fjord]

I feel like UH is kind of an outlier

With how the spec works

and how strong they are

[royal lantern]

i mean, BM can cleave passively aswell lol

beast cleave is just tuned low rn lol

[uncut echo]

They lose a fuck ton of damage doing so

[royal lantern]

bm aoe is litearlly "press multishot once every 5seconds"

[uncut echo]

Correct

And they lose hella ST

For doing that

[gaunt moat]

When we got specs that ca do both AoE and ST (forgot about at the same time or not, that's irrelevant)
there shouldn't be specs that are locked into only one scenario.

[uncut echo]

Correct

[hushed pulsar]

Isn't sin cleave rotation hitting carnage + garrote / rupture into spamming envenoms? xD
Sounds pretty chill to me

[uncut echo]

Thats a talent tree and in this case class design issue

[uncut echo]

Its dogshit

[royal lantern]

the funny thing rn here is: everyone agrees, and still flames eachother

[uncut echo]

My original flame

Was to shut up

Bc we all agree

So why go on about it

[gaunt moat]

because we're bored

[hushed pulsar]

My man's seething lmao

[royal lantern]

yes no

yes because thats it

no because it still does absolutely shit aoe and its not a rotation at all lol, its dysfunctional as hell

[spice spire]

[uncut echo]

Man said

I come in here and stir shit bc I'm bored

[hushed pulsar]

I have to agree on that one, I just play Sin on ST raid bosses and Sub for everything else

[uncut echo]

So do most of us

[royal lantern]

can play sub for st aswell lmao

sub does the same st anyway

assa in its current state mightaswell doesnt exist

[hushed pulsar]

Nah, sin outdamages sub on single target comfortably

[gaunt moat]

it's not just me, we're all bored.

[hushed pulsar]

If there's cleave, then yeah sin sucks

[subtle tundra]

I play sub on rasz cause I cba do reprog intermission 😊

Otherwise I'd play assa

[royal lantern]

i really wanna link the broodkeeper boss dmg prases now

[subtle tundra]

[royal lantern]

who all are sub rogue, and the only assa is #1 with PI

[gaunt moat]

Also I'm no man

[uncut echo]

Same, but I digress

I'm gonna get he/him'd online

[spice spire]

If I could have one day where we could not doom on my drive him, I’d kiss the lot of you on the mouth

[gaunt moat]

i'm bun/bunself

[royal lantern]

notter is a furry confirmed uwu

[thorn fjord]

Comfortably if you’re more geared but the gap closes the higher up you get with sub

[uncut echo]

My old Bun Colby Jack

[gaunt moat]

❤️

cutie

[royal lantern]

about to commit warcrimes

the look of pure evil

[uncut echo]

She did

She fucking ate my ethernet cable

On Painsmith prog

[royal lantern]

[thorn fjord]

She did you a favor

[hushed pulsar]

I wasn't aware of that, I've just been switching specs constantly since the beginning of DF
I started out Outlaw but then they made the rotation feel kinda jank with the extra SS on opportunity procs so I switched to sub for uncapped AoE

[uncut echo]

LOL

[royal lantern]

i loved painsmith

lmao

best fight that tier by far

[gaunt moat]

@uncut echo Point is, if you wanna go for technical discussions about the game. you go to #subtlety . if you go to waste time, you got #assassination right now

[thorn fjord]

Our painsmith kill was me being the last person alive cheat death proccing and soloing the last mil dmg with evasion and cloak

[uncut echo]

Thats fair

[unreal bear]

we the new off-topic

[uncut echo]

I love wasting timr

But complaining

[spice spire]

New?

[uncut echo]

Is not productive rn

We come here for bun pics

[gaunt moat]

I wasn't complaining about the DK writer, i think you misunderstood

[vague widget]

But it's a cute bun.

[gaunt moat]

I thought it was funny he's also dooming

[unreal bear]

i'm too new to know any better, forgive me

[uncut echo]

I just get insta triggered by the obsessive dooming

Game is ina Great spot

[thorn fjord]

DKs dooming

[uncut echo]

And we lose sight of that so easily

[royal lantern]

rn it litearlly is:

outlaw has the best cleave

assa has the highest ST in theory, in reality its very very slightly more ST than sub, but sub also has the best AoE

so it turns into, outlaw if you want aoe or cleave(or are just a ape brain that plays outlaw like an idiot you are for playing that cursed spec), or sub because sub does the same ST than assa but is also a aoe monster at the same time, assa mightaswell be disabled as an option

[thorn fjord]

It all depends on the fight

Sin will usually have the higher boss dmg over sub

But yeah it’s weird

[hushed pulsar]

I've had better cleave on Sub than Outlaw tbh

[thorn fjord]

Especially on a fight like raz where in p1 the sub rogue is keeping up with dk and I

[hushed pulsar]

Then again, we pull 2 packs on average so there's rarely less than 6-8 targets

[royal lantern]

and then you notice that the intermission is the important part, and get forced into sub 🙂

[hushed pulsar]

Plus sub is brainless, so I can focus on swirlies and interrupts

[thorn fjord]

Yep @royal lantern

[gaunt moat]

Like real talk - I'm not actually a doomer "I'mma quit this shit game".
I treat it as just blowing steam and part of a meme "oh no rogue changes again"
I'm sorry it annoys you, it's not meant that seriously 🙂

[thorn fjord]

I have a hard time with sub on ST

[spice spire]

But if we could keep the complaining down, I’d appreciate it - sorry still driving in.

At this point it’s really beating a dead horse. We wait for changes. If none come 10.1, pull the pitchforks

[thorn fjord]

I try to min max dance and sec techs and always fuck it up

And if I follow basic prio my dmg kinda blows

[spice spire]

Until then, idc post bun

[royal lantern]

it helps when you litearlly notice how extremely simple it is:

after the opener, you slam all on cds on cd, always use sectech as the 2nd finisher during dance, you are good now

[hushed pulsar]

Funnel modifiers into secret tech and when in doubt spam gloomblade / shuriken / evisc / bp

[thorn fjord]

Why do you think I’m always posting the gif

[gaunt moat]

@spice spire no one was even complaining, that's the ironic part 😂

[hushed pulsar]

Pretty sure 90% of this is just people bored at work

[gusty mirage]

they won't listen

[thorn fjord]

But our sub plays around the DM window and can min/max higher sec techs

[gusty mirage]

queue someone popping in in ~8-10hrs

[gaunt moat]

I'm taking a course in async programming. and bored. so yeah.

[gusty mirage]

posting some shitty meme

trying to be funny

then pasting the pvp rogue changes

[vague widget]

When I get bored at work I request bongosub for a quick laugh.

[gusty mirage]

Zzzzz

[uncut echo]

Stay awhile and listen

[strange python]

Sin can jump quite a bit ahead with PI. Which is silly, but worth considering

[hushed pulsar]

I'm taking a job in software engineering and bored, we vibin

[thorn fjord]

Hard to get PI over the dk and lock

[strange python]

Our DK is bad

Sin PI is much closer to warlock in value than people realize, cause the stupid PI sheet was optimized like shit

[thorn fjord]

Tell em to download hekilli and they’ll be good lmao

It’s that brain dead to dps on

[strange python]

Also in farm if your priests are just PIing the same target week after week it's kinda boring

[gusty mirage]

actually sin gets more than warlock

with proper timing

[strange python]

I thought demo was ahead

[gaunt moat]

My only real honest complaints is that my priests (and mind you, that's 2 shadow and 1 disc) literally don't use PI. on anyone. and RL don't care

[gusty mirage]

last I checked they weren't even close, but that was also before the 80000000 buffs

[thorn fjord]

On the sheets demo was ahead by slot

Alot

[gusty mirage]

also warlock apl

KEK

[hushed pulsar]

Slip the priest a couple of gold under the table to "misclick" PI on you every pull. Works for me

[royal lantern]

you forgot the part where the warlock will still gaslight everyone into giving it them anyway

[uncut echo]

Warlocks giving a fuck about APL bc they know they'l end up on top

[strange python]

What even is the proper timing other than on the 2mins, especially when exsangs up at 0/4

[gusty mirage]

uhhh lemme check

[royal lantern]

probs 2min + execute?

[gusty mirage]

I think it was something like 5/125/245

cause you want it for exsang and the majority of dm

I actually simmed it

cause my RL asked me to

[royal lantern]

i dont belive in robot math, nice try

[strange python]

It wound up syncing pretty decently with our spriest who also ramps for a few seconds before PIing

[vague widget]

Pure gold. Haha

[strange python]

But was shit with our priest wanting to ramp healing cds

[gusty mirage]

oh right

expired sims

forgot about that

[subtle tundra]

Cleave is 2-4t

[gusty mirage]

but I was getting slightly above 7% from PI

when I did sim it

and the only thing that changed since then

was the puzzlebox optimization

[strange python]

I got PI on council and didn't know you can cast during boon 🙂

What puzzle box optimization. Ain't it just slam on the ER?

[thorn fjord]

Nah you slam after exsangf

[gusty mirage]

the sim didn't take into account you can cast it during a gcd

so it would wait the gcd out then cast

vs doing it mid-gcd

saving you a few fractions of a second

[spice spire]

Iirc this started because of the ring

[strange python]

Cant imagine it's making too large of an impact tbh

[gusty mirage]

it was pretty hefty

[spice spire]

Which was complaining

[gusty mirage]

because it would cast something

wait 1s

cast box

then continue the rotation

[thorn fjord]

Yeah its nice @strange python

[gusty mirage]

sorry, pretty hefty by our standards

[strange python]

Didn't that get sorted ages ago?

[gusty mirage]

ya that's how long ago I simmed it

just found the link

[gaunt moat]

It was a guess at how much it could change

[storm belfry]

Wait what are we discussing atm

[strange python]

Our DK gave up and went frost

[thorn fjord]

LOL

[gusty mirage]

well he's in luck

[thorn fjord]

@strange python im serious... Have them download Hekili

[gusty mirage]

no reason to play unholy anymore

[thorn fjord]

I dont need a new weapon to play frost do I?

[gusty mirage]

idk

do I look like a DK to you?

[thorn fjord]

You look like a knowledgable person

[spice spire]

There’s a 2h and 2 1h build

2h looks like it’s ahead

[thorn fjord]

and a qt @gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

But the 1h from one of the dungeons is insane

[strange python]

I should probably start holding vanish until after exsang in my opener if I'm gonna get PI and be sweaty but meh

[storm belfry]

No U

[spice spire]

So do with that what you will

[spice spire]

I’m mid at best

[gusty mirage]

quake's a gamer

he's just too busy to be hardcore

don't let him shit on himself

[thorn fjord]

I was following the standard opener for a long time and finally switched last week to holding vanish and its made a nice difference

[gusty mirage]

for 2 reasons:

[storm belfry]

He is a gamer

[gusty mirage]

1. he actually games hard
2. it's my job to shit on him, and if he does it for me I get bored

[storm belfry]

He has helped me in the past

Even if he doesn’t remember it

[strange python]

Problem is we private log and it would be hard to rank much higher than I have right now anyways, so motivation is low

Private rankings are also a meme

[thorn fjord]

Yeah i feel you

[storm belfry]

I’m just always glad the same ppl I remember back then are the same ppl here now. Even if I am not remembered

[thorn fjord]

Its not a huge difference tho so the muscle memory is still there

[gusty mirage]

absolute unit man, this guy cranks out log reviews like he gets paid for it

we ❤️ @spice spire

[strange python]

It doesn't exactly feel that clunky to just hold a few seconds later in the fight for vanish if you push it back in the opener. But meh

[storm belfry]

Yeah I never understood private logs

[thorn fjord]

So just Gar SND Gar rupture ER rupture SBS Exsang PB DM shiv+tea then vanish garrote after when gar drops @strange python

[strange python]

Private logs are cringe.

But semi common

[storm belfry]

Like are they afraid of being poached or

Strat being shown like idk

[strange python]

Yes

[gusty mirage]

mostly poaching

[storm belfry]

They can poach deez

[subtle tundra]

Mostly so people don't play for logs

[gusty mirage]

guilds that are high ranked enough don't need to copy strats

also what varas said

[subtle tundra]

My guild was like that when it was lower ranking

[storm belfry]

Yeah I’ve never been in a guild where it’s everyone like that

But there is always one guy who is like that

[gusty mirage]

there's always at least 1

[thorn fjord]

My guild used to have a few but they all quit

[gusty mirage]

but then you'll meet that one gamer who plays for logs and doesn't int raid

[subtle tundra]

We still have private logs but I don't think the reason stayed the same

[gusty mirage]

and you're like

[storm belfry]

I don’t play for logs but like if we are progging and we kill and my log is good somehow then I may mention it but like

[strange python]

There's nothing to do in farm but okay for logs.

Play

[storm belfry]

I won’t greed or act different to look good on a log on prog

[gusty mirage]

like @nocturne lagoon was that guy for us

[storm belfry]

Look “good”

[gusty mirage]

legit Back in March MVP

this guy did everything in 9.2

our DK quit

he leveled and geared his DK

to play DK for anduin

and one of our tanks was out, he tanked on his DK for us

[storm belfry]

I sort of did on prog w the recent guild I left. But didn’t take much to get those logs

[thorn fjord]

Those type of dudes are the best @gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

ask @stuck knoll Justino Goblino is the MVP

[subtle tundra]

My logs are bad nowadays 😤😤😤

Could be bcs I refuse to play box exsang

[strange python]

I'm going boon on raz for the parse this week

[storm belfry]

I can only “flex” rdruid logs atm. My rogues logs are non existent

[gusty mirage]

easily one of the best gamers I've ever played with

[storm belfry]

I’m rooting for you

[gusty mirage]

he's hilarious, fun to be around, and honestly kept me going during 9.2

if it wasn't for justin

I woulda quit

[storm belfry]

Oxi is so sweet

[thorn fjord]

Why did he leave this tier?

[gusty mirage]

he didn't

this man just casually farmed logs

all tier

[thorn fjord]

Oh he didnt start as DK?

[gusty mirage]

no

look at this beast

[grim tangle]

I think he sucks

[gusty mirage]

you're just mad because you smell

stinky boy

[storm belfry]

Man is it like that with everyone lmao

So good until raz

[thorn fjord]

Never thought id see the day where Oxi is praising an arms war 😛

jk

[stuck knoll]

True and real

[storm belfry]

Is that fight that borked?

Or was

[earnest remnant]

Rasz is a pad fest

[gusty mirage]

nah you just focus on living for first kill

[storm belfry]

Arms tho, what a chad

[stuck knoll]

Anyone who bms Justino has to go through me

[strange python]

Raz has a lot of degeneracy.

[storm belfry]

Oh of course. I didn’t mean it in a bad way

Just a thing I’ve noticed

[gusty mirage]

I parsed an 18

wAIT

[strange python]

Longer shield lasts the more dam you do, the longer the adds live the more dam you do, etc.

[gusty mirage]

TURNED INTO A 19

POG

[storm belfry]

POG

we take those

[thorn fjord]

Oh truuuu so you guys killed her last night? @gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

ya shield nerf kinda cucked chances to parse

ya

[earnest remnant]

if you want to do dmg as a spec that can do AoE, you need people to not do alot in int1 and int2

[strange python]

Intermission2 adds are absurd parse pad

[gusty mirage]

I'm on a52 already

[storm belfry]

Oh grats oxi

[thorn fjord]

big gratz homie

[earnest remnant]

thats where most of your dmg will come

[gusty mirage]

bitter sweet

[storm belfry]

Oh you left your guild?

[gusty mirage]

Back in March ended the tier in March

end of an era man

[strange python]

Sin lost a lot of parse opportunity on raz with the shield nerf

[storm belfry]

Oh guild disband?

[strange python]

Our mage blows up the shields in record time

[gusty mirage]

not full disband

but

[storm belfry]

Enough

[gusty mirage]

they're getting the other 3 people CE

[storm belfry]

Yeah enough to do damage

[gusty mirage]

and then giga rebuild mode

[strange python]

Aero is recruiting 🙂

[gusty mirage]

killed her 2nd pull btw

lmao

[strange python]

They had a mini explosion

[thorn fjord]

Why not just wait out the rebuild

[gusty mirage]

rolled in, got to p2 intermission

roots expired

3rd add got like 14 stacks

did the teleport

half the raid died

lmao

[storm belfry]

Lmao

Man, I am excited to raid as rogue next tier

[strange python]

Why

[gusty mirage]

cause he's a healer main usually

[storm belfry]

Cause I am swapping from healer

[gusty mirage]

gets to pew pew

[strange python]

Oooh

[storm belfry]

For a tier

[strange python]

Hopefully not as sin.

[storm belfry]

I just wanna switch things up

[hushed pulsar]

do it as sin

[storm belfry]

Been healing for a long time

[hushed pulsar]

you'll have a great time

[strange python]

It's so sad that the tier looks to be much more single target and we get a dogshit AoE set bonus.

[storm belfry]

I’ll prob just sin it up until some cringe boss that requires something else

[thorn fjord]

Right now its looking like we're pirates again

[storm belfry]

I am a man of the ppl. So I will do what is needed to be done

[strange python]

Sub tbh.

[hushed pulsar]

sin isn't half as bad as people say, just play what you find fun

[thorn fjord]

I like the Pirate set

[wind condor]

OT’d last night for Ally HoF…couldn’t get it done:(

[thorn fjord]

Looking forward to seeing sims

[storm belfry]

That sucks cause w the HO build I am absolutely trash

Outlaw is nothing like I remember but also I was bad back then so

[thorn fjord]

Theyre thinking KiR might be the play

[strange python]

Without tuning outlaw is going to be very sus in a more ST raid.

[thorn fjord]

But we need to see the sims

[storm belfry]

I need to polish sub a bit more

[strange python]

Subs very very very easy

Right now

[storm belfry]

It is

[strange python]

You can pick it up fast

[storm belfry]

But small things I mess up

[strange python]

Logging on sub is another story.

[wind condor]

Just prog raz, you’ll be better at that then sin by the kill

[thorn fjord]

My sub is a phony

[storm belfry]

Usually the opener I do

I don’t like gloomblade in the opener

[thorn fjord]

I'm living the dream progging raz as sin LOL

[storm belfry]

I just like to press sstrike

[thorn fjord]

And not because its my choice... RL asked me to

[strange python]

Logging on sub is a mess of AoE padding. Also lots of grieftorch cheeses on top sub logs

[hushed pulsar]

you're gonna have to have a gloomblade if you want a half-decent rupture

[storm belfry]

Idk if I will do raz

New guild I’m in is progging it

At p2 I believe

[strange python]

Last I checked top terros sub log has like 7 grieftorches

[storm belfry]

So I won’t raid til it’s dead

Or next tier

[thorn fjord]

Were they just killing off the boomies? LOL

[strange python]

Spriests and boomies ye

[gusty mirage]

a good sacrifice

[hushed pulsar]

parses don't mean anything about 80, it gets pretty padded / cheesey around there

[storm belfry]

I just sent that to my friend who is a boomie

[grim tangle]

don't befriend boomies

[copper hazel]

i also sent that to a guildie this morning

he said his ST as boomie is dogshit and will be a willing sacrifice

he knows the vibes

[vague widget]

My guild died mid patch, so I can just casually play sin and be content.

[storm belfry]

How?

[gusty mirage]

blessed

that's why I don't talk to my brother anymore

he mains a boomie

so I disowned him

[storm belfry]

To be fair the boomie I know also plays guardian but really what’s worse

[strange python]

Guardians are friends.

It's just boomies that are the enemy

[storm belfry]

I only befriend ferals as a rdruid

[earnest remnant]

it has 4

[strange python]

Someone must've beaten the insane one I saw. Or maybe it was lower

But there's some truly wild grieftorch logs out there e

[earnest remnant]

well before that i had rank 1 with 3 casts

[strange python]

Maybe it was lower I guess

I'll be glad to be rid of that trinket

[storm belfry]

I’m still holding hope I will get the boon trinket before next tier. To just experience it for a small bit in keys before its gone

[gusty mirage]

put me in coach

I'll get you 2 more

[unreal bear]

the last boomkin i played with was in wrath when we ran spriest/rogue/boom in 3s because burst was stupid

[gusty mirage]

bring back 5s

2 hour long arena games

[storm belfry]

God no man

[unreal bear]

multiboxing 5 shamans to one shot people

based

[gusty mirage]

I did exactly 1 game of 5s

and it lasted an hour and 20 minutes

and I never queued for it again

[neon kindle]

5's now would be cancer

[gusty mirage]

there was like 6 resses that happened too

it was so fucked

[strange python]

5s lasted like 10 seconds in season 7

[unreal bear]

i cant even imagine how dumb 5s would be with tank specs being how they are now

[hushed pulsar]

Tbh, I got boon and wasn't a fan of how niche it is - definitely prefer whetstone

[strange python]

All ele shams ran up, popped their guaranteed crit button, and lava burst into spam CL

[hushed pulsar]

It can be fun on some bosses with knockbacks / inhale

[earnest remnant]

i played 5 mm hunters arena's in WoD

was very fun

not broken at all

[unreal bear]

gets the blood pumping when you know you're standing in something and will die

[gusty mirage]

I do miss arena

a lot

but I cba dealing with the pvp community

[earnest remnant]

i dont

[unreal bear]

i miss deadly throw

[hushed pulsar]

Use it on sanguine m+ for the best possible experience

[storm belfry]

Last time I seriously pvpd was season 1 and 2 bfa

[strange python]

I miss 2v2s

[gusty mirage]

I have a bunch of pvp friends

like a ton

[earnest remnant]

pvp makes me toxic

[storm belfry]

Think I hit like 2.1 on my rogue

[gusty mirage]

same

[storm belfry]

And called it

[earnest remnant]

i dont wanna be toxic

[gusty mirage]

but according to daps

[strange python]

Blizz killed 2s to save 5s for some wild reason

[gusty mirage]

I'm already toxic

so

[earnest remnant]

my friend has some yt videos that are just me loosing my shit in csgo

[storm belfry]

Lmfao

[gusty mirage]

we playing csgo2

???

[storm belfry]

I have some pretty wild clips of me yelling on PUBG

[strange python]

Don't play league then

[earnest remnant]

we could

ive played league since like season 1

league doesent piss me off the same way csgo does

[strange python]

I just reinstalled league after a year 😦

I thought I was out

[gusty mirage]

about to change your name to sirtiltsalot

[earnest remnant]

im like 99% sure my friend has a clip where you can hear me snap my keyboard in half

[strange python]

Support players make me want to burn down the planet

[gusty mirage]

I haven't played league since closed beta ended

AMA

[unreal bear]

i havent played in a few years, but all my friends are coming back to check it out

new engine, cheats broken, short golden era for pugs

[gusty mirage]

128 TICK SERVERS

IN MM

NO MORE ESEA/FACEIT

[unreal bear]

esea been dead

[gusty mirage]

until cheats get updated

and then you go back

[unreal bear]

that's been a dumb project of mine

[gusty mirage]

bro fuck esea

[earnest remnant]

i liked Esea alot more than faceit

[unreal bear]

i've been scraping their api for player activity for months

[gusty mirage]

grimy mfers using their client to mine bitcoin

without people's consent

bricked a ton of GPUs

[earnest remnant]

that i did not like

but i liked the platform more

[gusty mirage]

idk I never tried faceit

[earnest remnant]

people were more serious on there

[unreal bear]

esea has community, faceit doesn't really

[gusty mirage]

I quit when esea was still the thing

[earnest remnant]

back in my days of playing

[unreal bear]

esea was also the face for NA CS

for a long, long time

[earnest remnant]

na cs

[neon kindle]

Faceit? Esea?

[unreal bear]

what are you talking about babe

[neon kindle]

[unreal bear]

it's 2005 let's play CEVO

[earnest remnant]

question is, which one of us plays on 140ms?

[gusty mirage]

wdym

I get like 90 ping to EU

[earnest remnant]

last time i played NA csgo i had like 140

[gusty mirage]

we have good internet now stealthi

[earnest remnant]

was interesting

[echo heath]

who's ready for those rogue buffs in the upcoming patch notes?

[earnest remnant]

okay dude, this was like 6 years ago max

my internet is the same shit

[gusty mirage]

buddy

I have fiber now

[earnest remnant]

so did i back then

[gusty mirage]

skill issue idk

[earnest remnant]

tbf

[unreal bear]

literally not gonna happen

[earnest remnant]

no idea which coast we played on

[gusty mirage]

try not playing on a west coast server

or central

dum dum

[unreal bear]

if i want it to happen, it won't.

[earnest remnant]

bruh, i didn't know where these people live

[unreal bear]

so i will continue to say it will never happen

[gusty mirage]

[earnest remnant]

i played with a twitch streamer and some friends

not Egirl related at all trust

[gusty mirage]

[storm belfry]

Very sus to ADD that in

[uncut echo]

[earnest remnant]

just had to make that clear yeh

[unreal bear]

[gusty mirage]

I'm the only egirl allowed in stealthi's life

[storm belfry]

[gusty mirage]

bro I wanna be done with work

[storm belfry]

I am off today

Playing hearthstone until servers are live. I should go take a walk tho

[echo heath]

i have another 2 months off still for paternity leaave

[unreal bear]

im waiting for our annual bonus payout and im probably quitting for a new job

[gusty mirage]

paternity leave?

tell me you're not american, without telling me you're not american

[storm belfry]

Damn where do you work?

Yeah true

Jesus lmao

I’ll be lucky I get two weeks

[echo heath]

i work for general motors, you have a kid you get 3 months paid

[unreal bear]

my work offers paternity leave

[gusty mirage]

damn

[storm belfry]

Wow

[gusty mirage]

UAW doing work

[echo heath]

not in the uaw

not union

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-wtf-is-going-on-wtf-blink-what-did-you-say-gif-19988367

[storm belfry]

My 2nd child will be born I think a month or two after next tier starts

[gray crest]

My job also offers paternity leave. My project manager took it when I started here

[gusty mirage]

tell them you have to take paternity leave cause you're too busy birthing a new era of playing rogue

[storm belfry]

My recent job JUST added paid paternity leave before I left it. Only 2 weeks

[gusty mirage]

I'll sign off on it for you

[storm belfry]

My current job idk if I’ll get any paid leave

[gusty mirage]

I work for myself

so

[echo heath]

https://tenor.com/view/lmao-spit-take-cracking-up-haha-so-funny-omg-gif-17921247

[gusty mirage]

benefits aren't a thing

[gray crest]

I feel like I need to screen shot that

[unreal bear]

idk my kid picks his nose and eats it, so he's probably a DH

[storm belfry]

You can still change that

[gusty mirage]

fair

[unreal bear]

true, there's time

[gusty mirage]

nothing a lil old fashioned belt work can't fix

[storm belfry]

I’m hoping my current son who is almost 2 will be a Druid or rogue

I will also allow paladin

[gray crest]

Remember to hit your kids while they are young. That way, they will be afraid of you, but they won't remember why

[unreal bear]

he'd probably be chill with it

i can't do anything to punish this kid, he just goes with it

"ok"

[gusty mirage]

it'll further reinforce him becoming a DH

https://tenor.com/view/anger-yelling-you-know-how-much-i-sacrificed-willen-dafoe-green-goblin-gif-15742158

[echo heath]

hoping my two year old farms herbs and ore for me, thats all

[unreal bear]

shit, my dad used to do that for me

[storm belfry]

I tried getting my niece who is 5 to fish in WoW for me

She didn’t care for it

[unreal bear]

one of the biggest grinders i've ever seen in games

[storm belfry]

Just wanted to fly on the dragon

[unreal bear]

i've domesticated my girlfriend to do it since she wants me to have Otto

[echo heath]

dont let her see this message lol

[unreal bear]

no she's fully aware

[storm belfry]

I have trained my girl to fish when I need it

Usually at start of expacs or patches

[unreal bear]

it's the only part of the game she can tolerate because "there's too much stuff going on" in dungeons/raid and she actually enjoys it

seeing the game through normie eyes is strange

[echo heath]

oh god

[storm belfry]

Yeah I even tried getting her into classic as a starter. Was still “too much”

[echo heath]

we aren't normies are we

[storm belfry]

The camera angles made her sick

Or something idk

But you can play animal crossing

[unreal bear]

put her in court of stars

that shit makes me so mad

"I CANT SEE SHIT"

[storm belfry]

But her village has trees of fruit everywhere

[echo heath]

i refuse to zoom in so i just play blind

[storm belfry]

YOU CANT SEE ANYTHING

[nocturne lagoon]

[earnest remnant]

gonna send you a screenshot to see if you know this person or not

[gusty mirage]

nah fam

but I'm judging tf out of you rn

[grim tangle]

me too

[storm belfry]

Same

[echo heath]

i too will judge

[true basalt]

Hey guys, im leveling a rogue and i really like assassination's class fantasy. I just want to know if its worth playing in M+ or if i'll have the same fate as my disc priest, waiting over 30 mins for a simple 16 key with 2.8k rio and 418 ilvl

[echo heath]

run, run as fast as you can and dont look back

[storm belfry]

That wait can happen with anyone

[earnest remnant]

hey

it was not that bad

[storm belfry]

ESP if you aren’t 16/8M and 5347 IO

[true basalt]

i am 6/8 mythic on my priest

[spice spire]

I don’t and I’m so sorry! That has made my week though. I only do rogue stuff to help others. The fact you remembered me after that is

I also keep meaning to ask about keys then chicken out. So if you ever need a tank for your rogue lmk

[spice spire]

disc is weird but totally fine

Sin more or less the same tho

[neon kindle]

Its ok. But worth it is up to you. If u like fighting an uphill battle sure

[spice spire]

I’ve never been declined personally or kicked for being assassination

[storm belfry]

I love the uphill battle. I already have a 22 and some 21s on my SIN rogue

I will show the non believers

[spice spire]

But it is the black sheep of the specs currently

[storm belfry]

I will ask when I can play to see if you are around

[spice spire]

That works for me

[echo heath]

im 2300 on my sin through mostly pugging and i dont know if i've got the energy to do it again season 2

[viscid spear]

[lusty surge]

I capped out around 2700 with sin then swapped to sub when my group stopped pushing and I went to pug

[true basalt]

I saw that both sub and assa are played with mastery crit or crit mastery, right? If by any chance my assa doesnt work, i can switch to sub and be just fine?

[storm belfry]

I am almost 2700 on my rogue

[lusty surge]

Biggest problem I saw in pugging with sin was people overlapping stops over IC garrote

Cuz no one has experience playing with it

[storm belfry]

I think my lock is 2850 but I haven’t played it since I picked my rogue back up. And my druid I got lazy and stopped around 2900 something

[lusty surge]

It's also less fun to play in m+ now that kb is dead

[spice spire]

More than likely yeah

[true basalt]

aight, thanks for the answers guys

[echo heath]

difference is optimal trinkets for each spec

[storm belfry]

Man I did one key as sub last night and I felt so bad

[echo heath]

i probably need to practice for next tier, but i also see the potential in being a stubborn PoS who only plays sin

[storm belfry]

Yeah I’ll probs still play sin. But I just personally wanna do better at all

[true basalt]

oh so i can call assassination rogue sin without using the first 4 letters ?

[echo heath]

you can also be old school and call it mut

[white bone]

What is the most optimal build for Assasination for mythics?

[echo heath]

dragon tempered blades and indiscriminate carnage

subcreation has a list of most played talents for each spec if you check that site out

or go to wowhead and see our glorious guide writers guide

[storm belfry]

Or check FAQ

Wait

Ring just got buffed apparently?

@balmy condor confirm?

[gusty mirage]

confirmed

at least on PTR

25% buff across the board to all gems

[echo heath]

fuck that man

[storm belfry]

Fuck

[tacit otter]

now we get 1% dmg increase while everyone else gets 5:)

but atleast i have something to do next reset

[uncut echo]

Who cares

[spice surge]

"everyone else" in this case being outlaw and windwalker with a smaller number for sub

[uncut echo]

We want a disparity of power

We want to look worse than we are

Idk why this is so hard to comprehend