assassination

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[buoyant quail]

Im an enhance main and really not enjoying it. Im just not as reactive as i used to be so im looking forward to getting stuck into to a more... calculated approach. Mythics just worry me a little but it will all come with muscle memory i guess.

[keen spruce]

more of a removal than a nerf

[slim hamlet]

yup

[keen spruce]

even with IC and DTB, I would still consider assas very clunky compared to the other two specs in AoE. but it is a lot more proactive and planned so if that's what you're goin for then it should be a good fit

[tacit oracle]

Next week would going KB for Rasz shield still be a thing or is the talents going to bust that enough?

[keen spruce]

Juggling DoTs, vs outlaw carpal tunnel and procs, vs Sub... whatever tf sub does i haven't played it this xpac

[royal lantern]

probs yes

but hard to say

[keen spruce]

depends if you need shield dmg

[royal lantern]

sub is 1-1-2-1-1-2 until boss is dead

or in aoe 1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2 and using sec tech when its up

[keen spruce]

there's quite a bit of value in boss dmg between shields as long as you're breaking/surviving shield phases

[keen spruce]

I figued as much

[keen spruce]

Basically if u really need to break shields, having KB for each one is kinda pog. If you aren't really struggling to survive or break them, then is it worth losing 6% overall for better shield breaking?

assuming that 6% number someone said a second ago was accurate

[supple leaf]

Is there a link somewhere to next weeks talent trees for MM+ ?

[grim jay]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[lament warren]

it's not this simple

because you have a damage amp for the shields

[grim jay]

Ptr tab shows what seems best, tho improvement is to be made

If you wanna have a blank one, just Google wowhead 10.0.5 talent calc tho

[keen spruce]

I mean yeah ~45 seconds of 200% damage vs ~14 minutes of 6%.

[supple leaf]

Thank you mate, found it !

[royal lantern]

more 5min patchwerk sim=better

git gut buddy

its that simple

[grim jay]

Just play DH

Its that simple

[keen spruce]

so idk do like a 1:10 sim with KB and DTB and multiply that by 3 or something

[lament warren]

its more than 45s on mythic but ya

[grim jay]

1:10 is gigabad

[keen spruce]

idk i'm not a gynocologyst

[royal lantern]

im sure most people here DONT talk about raz mythic, when not even 50guilds killed the boss

[lament warren]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

dont think it matters what talents you run on a boss you can sell

[keen spruce]

well if you're talkin about heroic then boss damage doesn't matter

kill it twice and see which one does more dmg

[high monolith]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[granite sable]

Do you guys use any special WAs to keep track of anima charged CPs? My cp tracker shows it but it’s sometimes a bit hard to tell

[slim hamlet]

I use blizzard default cp

[dark token]

Why yes I theorycraft Raz mythic build and give advice to Hof raiders even when not progging boss, how did you know

[slim hamlet]

🤓

[lament warren]

id like advice for if i am unbenched please ty

[dark token]

Get good so ur guild doesn't bench u, rogue op

[lament warren]

the truth hurts

[storm onyx]

That would force CT for ST kind of, poisons maybe instead of bleeds?, We are kind of funneling with FoK Envenoms already

[dark token]

Install a weakaura that plays this in zoldyck execute range on razageth https://youtu.be/hyNu5i_6lKA

It improves ur dps

[nocturne current]

Man I love the original SSJ3 theme

[lament warren]

i made a weakaura to do that for someone who plays warrior

back in sanctum

[nocturne current]

I watched a shit ton of great animes, but that moment Goku goes ss3 is just... no words

[dusty zenith]

If you want a banger anime watch Made in abyss. Messed me up

[subtle tundra]

Infinite food glitch 😊

[nocturne current]

I can only watch animes from the 90's with mild violence or crime, I cba chibby stuff.

[subtle tundra]

It's a fking horror anime

2nd season is stuff from beyond imagination of fucked up

[vestal wren]

tutorial how to grow hair fast

[nocturne current]

You're from Spain or so Varas, no?

[subtle tundra]

No

I'm based not cringe

[slim hamlet]

Varas has his own country

[subtle tundra]

I'm from the most central, eastern European country

[grim jay]

United States of Varas

[nocturne current]

90's US/LATAM/LEU had the best anime channels in the pre 2000, it was all shit that I doubt would pass on TV today

[vestal wren]

didn't know you are from russia

[grim jay]

[vestal wren]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/Grossgliederung_Europas-en.svg/1280px-Grossgliederung_Europas-en.svg.png

yellow = eastern europe

[marble hemlock]

Psure in most peoples minds, everything to the east of Germany is considered eastern Europe

[grim jay]

Got me

[vestal wren]

fair

[marble hemlock]

So Slovakia? @subtle tundra

[nocturne current]

CZ master race

[subtle tundra]

Cringe

[subtle tundra]

Cringe

[nocturne current]

No way bro, I love this shit.

[marble hemlock]

Transylvania then

[nocturne current]

When I can go outside and take a screenshot of a Fake Taxi in front of my house, what else is there not to love.

[subtle tundra]

Smh don't put me in the worst part of romania

[grim jay]

So you basically open the camera, take a picture and take a screenshot ?

[subtle tundra]

I'm half Moldovian and proud

[nocturne current]

But why u have spanish accent tho

[mystic garden]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/how-to-train-your-ruby-whelp-shell-very-high-damage-or-stat-trinket-330947

https://wago.io/9zkwq19Jo

[subtle tundra]

I watched puss in boots and puss left a mark on me

[mystic garden]

this has helped me so much with this trinket maybe itll help yall too

[grim jay]

Just use the chatcommand instead of having a WA in your face tho

[grim jay]

We all are in the same boat. A puss has left a mark on all of us at some point

[nocturne current]

Isn't it just easier to f write it on a piece of paper

[grim jay]

Copy paste chatcommand, no trees harmed, no angry activists

[nocturne current]

What happens if you go above the currency, just waste?

[grim jay]

And no time wasted

You mean over max stacks?

[nocturne current]

yeah

[grim jay]

It just adds another skill to whatever you used it in

Hence thats why you can retrain

[royal lantern]

bro, i only did this boss on heroic 2weeks ago, but you gotta trust me bro, just dodge the breath and its easy bro

[grim jay]

You forgot a bro

After ago

[nocturne current]

Well, time to Pokemon then, I guess

[ebon notch]

I've seen that before

[grim jay]

In a good or in a bad way

[ebon notch]

Questionable ways

[austere radish]

do we already know how the talent tree change will play out?
I mean in terms of talent build?

[lament warren]

outlaw viable btw

[grim jay]

Pins

[royal lantern]

just kill the boss and dont die

[ebon notch]

I'm trying bro

It's 46%

[lament warren]

kill it more

or else

[icy fox]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[drifting cosmos]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[vivid stream]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/kelthuzad/chrojoh
Anyone tell me what I’m lackin to get higher parses, minus broodkeeper fight bec I’m on egg duty.

[shrewd night]

Have you considered potions

[vivid stream]

Prepot ?

[slim hamlet]

prepot doesnt exist

just pot pot

[vivid stream]

Battle potion or w.e it’s called

[slim hamlet]

elemental potion of power

[shrewd night]

Using your 3m box more than once in a 4m fight could help too

[vivid stream]

Yeah that one, haven’t been using it but is that really the issue for parsing like an 80 on Terros

[balmy condor]

Not using cooldowns contributes to bad parses yes

[shrewd night]

That seems to be a one off though, you were good on most others regarding the trinket

[vivid stream]

I meant the potion

[balmy condor]

Not using cooldowns contributes to bad parses yes

[shrewd night]

I mean, it adds up doesnt it

[slim hamlet]

potion is like 700 main stat for 20 seconds every 5 min

Pretty good

[next edge]

Isn't it 30 seconds

[nocturne current]

yes

[slim hamlet]

even better

[next edge]

You stoopid

Smh

[slim hamlet]

Using ER every 45 sec instead of 1+ min would also help

[balmy condor]

Actually you stoopid

Smd

[next edge]

No you

[slim hamlet]

HUH

smd?

[next edge]

Somethiding

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

You offering?

[royal lantern]

dont listen to them, using abilitys is cringe

[slim hamlet]

[shrewd night]

Is gemming versatility truly your best option?

[next edge]

I would bb

[balmy condor]

[slim hamlet]

u trynna take my man

[next edge]

Tonight it's Spider prog so im Sin until tomorrow

[royal lantern]

chads do only autohits for 90% of the fight, like we did back in vanilla/tbc when the GAME WAS STILL GOOD

[next edge]

[royal lantern]

[fallen locust]

Spider 2.9% yesterday with 2 dps dead whole last phase

[balmy condor]

I’m literally in call with my kitten hello?

[slim hamlet]

[next edge]

[slim hamlet]

so many stareges

[next edge]

How many days you have been there?

It's our first full night, only did 1h so far

[slim hamlet]

Oh man I cant wait to surely kill terros today

surely 69 pulls will be enough

[nocturne current]

So easy fix then.

[balmy condor]

Sorry how many pulls?

[slim hamlet]

Yep

[next edge]

[slim hamlet]

We are on 65 and u always troll first 3

[fallen locust]

I think we got 2 days on it now, our first day was kinda shit as the atmosphere was so toxic for some reason so we didnt do well. Got to last phase tho, dies on sunday ez

[slim hamlet]

so 69

[balmy condor]

That’s the funny number

[slim hamlet]

it is indeed

[next edge]

In 1h we did 2nd spider 5-6 times with everyone alivr

So not that bad

[slim hamlet]

Never say the last part

[fallen locust]

Yeah thats good

[next edge]

I thunk its the worst part

Tbh

[slim hamlet]

I said we would surely ill terros last monday fast

[fallen locust]

🙈

[slim hamlet]

We didnt even kill it monday

[fallen locust]

Dang

Terros was mega fun

[slim hamlet]

No

It was supposed to be

[next edge]

2nd spider probably worst part of spider fight tbh

[slim hamlet]

But not

now

[nocturne current]

I feel like Terros is just a giant target dummy

[slim hamlet]

it is

[next edge]

It is tbh

[slim hamlet]

this is why I am malding

[next edge]

Once you learn the dance

[royal lantern]

terros is fun, until you wait for people to not die 40sec into the fight

[fallen locust]

Its fun as rogue, just press feint when dmg about to happen and tunnel

[next edge]

It's a dummg

[ashen rover]

finally got my 418 molten short blade im so happy :D

[next edge]

Feint????

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor off work poggers

[balmy condor]

I held every cooldown for it on prog until guild figured out how to focus it 3:30 Deathmark timing you do the math

[next edge]

That's energy loss bro

[fallen locust]

Its more energy loss to die

[royal lantern]

dont die

[next edge]

Holy fuck

[nocturne current]

I don't know how many times my raid leader has asked people to JUMP on the fucking stack out and people still managed to get trapped and caged in lel

[fallen locust]

People do dumb things so gotta save myself somehow

[slim hamlet]

Man

Terros kinda easy

soak, move left, move right, move left, soak, move left, move right, move left, move right and wait then move left

[balmy condor]

He’s lonely okay it’s just a rebound you can’t fault him for that the breakup was messy

He’s rock hard

[nocturne current]

Ain't no coincidence the dude is in a hole 24/7

[slim hamlet]

I need a big one for that

[polar matrix]

hey guys did Mythic Terros tonight and am doing super average dam

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tnHJ9ABqFTPDQZj1#fight=13&type=damage-done

[balmy condor]

Gratz

[polar matrix]

any help would be appreciated

[balmy condor]

We love mediocrity

[slim hamlet]

well

[polar matrix]

:l

[slim hamlet]

if its your progress kill

[polar matrix]

it's reclear

[slim hamlet]

Don't expect to parse 99

[polar matrix]

second kill

[slim hamlet]

Well

Skill issued

[polar matrix]

yeah..

[slim hamlet]

Do u press feint?

[polar matrix]

what?

[slim hamlet]

Feint

the ability

do you press it?

[polar matrix]

cool man

[slim hamlet]

Wat

[balmy condor]

Whatcha kickin bud

[shrewd night]

[slim hamlet]

You know feint

[polar matrix]

fat fingered i guess

[slim hamlet]

Your 15 sec cd that makes you take 40% less aoe dmg

[nocturne current]

Play Exsanga

[balmy condor]

I thought he did

[polar matrix]

i am

[slim hamlet]

Man i dont even know if I know feint

[balmy condor]

Idk I’m on mobile

I cant See shit

[polar matrix]

yeah i am

but i held 2nd one till 4 mins

so only cast it 2 times

[slim hamlet]

Your kill time says use on cd

to get a 3rd

[polar matrix]

i was unsure because i saw someone say yday that it's better to sync with dm puzzle

i.e hold for a minute

[fallen locust]

Probably true id you only get 2x in fight

[next edge]

Only if you can assure a 3rd use

[balmy condor]

Yah but if you’re at 6:30 you get two casts in dm and a free cast right

[slim hamlet]

Yea I did that too, then found out our length made it possible to get 3

[polar matrix]

ok wait so im being dumb

sims say ghold

but sim is 5 mins

[next edge]

[polar matrix]

6 min kills chnages that right

[balmy condor]

6:30

[next edge]

6:30

[slim hamlet]

Wait does sims hold?

[balmy condor]

Sims hold

[polar matrix]

yeah cos sim is 5 mins

[slim hamlet]

I thought they just smacked anything on cd

[next edge]

On 5 min yes

[slim hamlet]

epic

[polar matrix]

so u only get 2 in the scenario anyway

[slim hamlet]

So use ER and Exsang on cd

easy 99 parse

Wait nvm u were not the guy holding ER

At least not for too long

[polar matrix]

ahh no im also miles off a 99 haha

there must be something im doing like waaay wrong

[shrewd night]

Theoretically

[next edge]

People is giga geared too on mythic

So despite you do good

[shrewd night]

You probably could have delayed your last box/DM for potion

[next edge]

They will do better too

[slim hamlet]

I was actually not sure about this koffing

[next edge]

This adds up a lot too, i need to pay more attention to this stuff

[slim hamlet]

To hold exsang + box as we get into execute or just use for a 3rd

This being with KB so 3x zoldyck

[shrewd night]

His last potion is like 30 seconds late, could have been popped in the timeframe right after the last dm in logs

[slim hamlet]

The cds line up perfectly when we get in exe

[slim hamlet]

Oh yeah well my question is something completely different

[polar matrix]

so late pre pot

[shrewd night]

But then again, depends highly on killtimer, which is undoubtely faster next week

[polar matrix]

also if i know its my last dm/puzzle i shud delay for pot is what you're saying?

[slim hamlet]

If u dont lose any time on it

[polar matrix]

ok

[slim hamlet]

/casts

I dont see why not

[polar matrix]

do vanish before/after dm make a huge difference?

ive seen logs with both

good logs

does*

[slim hamlet]

U want your improved garrotes to be in your dm as much as possible

so if u have both ready u vanish first

but u dont hold dm for vanish

[polar matrix]

ok

so u send dm asap

[slim hamlet]

Yeah

Again u can do some stuff with fight length, so u hold last DM for vanish. But most just use vanish before DM in opener anyways

[weak plover]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[slim hamlet]

to make them sync

[polar matrix]

yeah

alright thanks

i think kill time/gear probs big issue for me atm as well

but i missed exsang puzzle cast didnt help i guess

[foggy flume]

Any ideas on how sin looks now with the talent changes ?

[slim hamlet]

No difference in sim dmg

But u lose KB as an option

🙂

[foggy flume]

tyy

[nocturne current]

If you refresh improved garrote to pandemic does it count as a cast in raidlogs?

Or you just see 1 large cast?

[slim hamlet]

Well

[nocturne current]

(assuming you dont let it drop)

[slim hamlet]

If it didnt count that then u would only cast like 5 garrotes a fight

Probably less

[sour citrus]

?

[slim hamlet]

How often do you let it drop fully?

With exsang and with imrpoved

So like 5 casts

[sour citrus]

!whispyer

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[slim hamlet]

We want to do full length garrote AKA double garrote when using SS on vanish right?

[nocturne current]

ye

But nvm I was checking the wrong thing, I was checking the buff uptime lol, which is just when some1 clicks vanish

[slim hamlet]

makes sence

[shy axle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[dapper flint]

dont we technically lose 1 point in i-forgot-talent-name-with-poison-crit-and-1-energy ?

[spice spire]

Yeah that can go to a better place

[chilly viper]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[proven patrol]

How come EchoR is such a good fit for Sin over, for instance, Sub?

[wary ice]

There's a lot in that but the short version is that subs CP generation is way higher, and naturally has access to 7 cp

[proven patrol]

Ah i see. Thanks. 🙏🏻 so there’s no competitive build where you exclude Echo? I really dont like the talent 😂

[zinc turtle]

Is there still a book of shadows?

[storm onyx]

Our wipe on heroic Raz today

[hollow river]

[hollow river]

There’s a link to it in #wow-general pins I believe

[astral yoke]

Which assassination talent build would you recommended if I just want 1 for both mythic + and raiding? Don't really like to be switching too much

[storm onyx]

You would need to switch from dungeon to dungeon even tbf

Not just Forti/Tyranical

[slim hamlet]

one person clicking a wrong button

Despair

[kind veldt]

!builds

Where can I find the ST build?

[slim hamlet]

#assassination-faq

[boreal glacier]

if my team has enough aoe damage and i want to play sin in key to help push hard on boss, what build should i play ?

Still KB IC ?

[kind veldt]

Yeah, I found it after, do you think builds changing after 10.0.5

[toxic burrow]

You could do the dtb m+ build in the sin faq.

[slim hamlet]

KB IC st dmg seems to suck kinda bad

But then current DTB m+ build is despair imo

So I just play sub until next week

[storm onyx]

Depends on your kill times also, if things blow up, KB/IC isnt that bad; it has very high burst

[tall jay]

which SIN spec should we use for dathea?

[storm onyx]

DTB

And sit on boss if RL is ok with it

[tall jay]

ROG

[wary ice]

with how the class tree ends up; your other option is like.... Coldblood and two points into a broken night stalker

[whole bay]

hey gang

i have an issue with my macro

#showtooltip
/cast [nomod] envenom
/castsequence [mod:shift] marked for death, envenom

it doesnt seem to work

[tall jay]

what poisins should we use

[wary ice]

idk if its your issue but i dont think [nomod] is a thing?

[whole bay]

oh ok haha ill try removing it

[wary ice]

further digging says "nomod:shift"

might be your solution

[storm onyx]

please read #assassination-faq

[nocturne current]

That's like a Neural Chemical Agent, lel.

[storm onyx]

Yea, we werent even frustrated lol

[proper tapir]

Nomod is a thing, that should work but you have to shift push it twice

You may want to add a reset too, reset=target, 5

Honestly, I would just put MfD as a cast on the mod:shift, then you'll just shift press followed by regular press for envenom. That will open the door for other finishers.

[whole bay]

true! 🙂

thanks all

[tall jay]

I was looking, i must have missed it, will look again. Thank you 😄

[slow marsh]

More zold

[spice spire]

No I was gonna say hell

[slow marsh]

oh ok that too

[tough gorge]

DtB ST build has poisons over improved bleeds. Is this only true for 2pc, at 4pc, id imagine a bleed dtb is best.

[nocturne current]

Correct

[meager meadow]

when using puzzlebox and playing dtb, do I press puzzlebox just before/after dm?

[slow marsh]

yep either or

[slim hamlet]

before

[meager meadow]

alright thanks!

[slim hamlet]

if u have exsang then before that

[meager meadow]

yeah I figured out that build, just wanted more clarification on dtb tbh

starting to question my ability as assarogue this expansion haha

i cant quite seem to get it to work as good as i want it to

[slim hamlet]

just press buttons harder

[meager meadow]

haha ye i guess

[novel arrow]

The harder I press the more I crit. True story

[slim hamlet]

factual

[true swift]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[twin kite]

The fact that they are taking imo by far the best designed and fun assassination build with a great execute niche and essentially just killling it for no apparent reason is just... It just feels so bad. Kingsbane has been so much fun to play in raid imo and it has felt better to play assa in these weeks than in years. I really do not understand this talent change coming in 10.0.5... Assassination finally had an awesome niche with big execute.
@sharp falcon thoughts?

[slim hamlet]

I doubt they tried to kill kb

Seems like a "people want to play dtb with another captstone, but we cant have kb+dtb be a thing"

[strange python]

kb + dtb wouldnt even be a thing given the change to DS right

[royal lantern]

imean, i get you, but lets not overreact by saying "by far best desinged build" when its "you do what you always do, slam the ability on cd and keep doing what you do"

+like

[slim hamlet]

huh

[royal lantern]

execute as a "assa nieche" is weird, cus assa has more problems then that lol

[strange python]

doesnt the reduction of scoundrel to 2 points still not give you the ability to reach kb (if it were still on the left side of the tree)

[slim hamlet]

taking away KB doesnt take away the execute btw

[slim hamlet]

U can get DTB + any other capstone now

[strange python]

ahh gotcha

[royal lantern]

the spec just needs to finally get a full fix after the years, give it either a form of raid aoe, or dont make the kther 2specs constantly do more/same st and also slam in aoe

[twin kite]

Yea but the other 2 capstones are AOE right?

[slim hamlet]

yea

[strange python]

ya

[royal lantern]

ic sucks in raids cus you sacrifice to much st to grab it

new talent sucks in general

[slim hamlet]

Yeah again

[royal lantern]

i mean, dude, you know how assa is lol

[twin kite]

The new capstone talents honestly seems very meh

[royal lantern]

litearlly "tunnel boss, ignore all adds"

[slim hamlet]

taking away a raid build to give very niche capstone + more "choice" in m+ which will rly just be 1 choice

maybe 2 if u need 0 st

[royal lantern]

meanwhile sub/Outlaw do the same/more st dmg and also anihilate in cleave/aoe

[strange python]

the new capstone is also a ST dps increase though, no?

cuz it increases bleed dmg?

[slim hamlet]

yes

compared to no talent yes

but it isnt a capstone u wanna get st

[magic vine]

the apl on it isn't that far along is it?

[slim hamlet]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[royal lantern]

its a st focused path that ends with a capstone that says "you do slightly more bleed dmg with shiv and it has a ussules aoe Part now xd"

like, bruh

[slim hamlet]

yeah it seems such weird placement

idk

it is what it is

[royal lantern]

its in line with most rogue capstones

a mix of "why is this a thing? who thought about that?" and "jesus just rework or remove allready"

[slim hamlet]

Just because of its placement it isnt even that far behind in ST

which is the sick thing

[strange python]

man no extra charge of shiv and venom rush feelsbad

[slim hamlet]

meanwhile actual ST talent KB is infinitely further behind

[grim jay]

more increase per target, reduce targets to 3. proper cleave talent with useable ST.

[royal lantern]

the same reason why kb was "good", zoldyck HARD CARRIES

[slim hamlet]

no venom rush will def feel bad

[royal lantern]

its really more of an" might aswell grab that talent when in allready here" cus you want zoldyck

[slim hamlet]

u didnt go 2x shiv anyways before

with dtb

[strange python]

ive been playing wrong this whole time

[slim hamlet]

I kinda wish that come next week only class tree changes

well

I mean IC+DTB is kinda nice

idk

[magic vine]

anyways even with the current sims its running better than current dtb for st, its just that the dtb build also increased

[slim hamlet]

The only reason KB is simming same is because of path

[royal lantern]

we went full circle and people start to realise that the class tree kinda sucks, and that assa has quiet some problems that didnt get fixed at all 🙂

[magic vine]

and only slightly worse than current kb

[grim jay]

@slim hamlet how did Xerath always say?
THERE IS SO MUCH UNTAPPED POWER. even if its potential in this case, which leads to power

[royal lantern]

and its more obvious now after a few weeks cus rogue slowly gets overtaken by other classes

[slim hamlet]

I mean

Next week the class tree is kinda crisp right?

[strange python]

You mean because it got nerfed due to heroic week logs and casuals whining on Reddit?

[grim jay]

but spec tho

[strange python]

class tree stayed relatively same right

[strange python]

The capstones are all shit.

[magic vine]

new class tree is a lot better but right side is still meh

[slim hamlet]

Imagine we still had 45 sec exsang

[royal lantern]

so we have assa as a full st spec again, that doesnt shine in full st, in a game that is not desinged around full st, and has specs in its own class that do full st better and also do very good aoe/cleave without losing much

[strange python]

my brain too smol to play with exsang

[slim hamlet]

No shot u hating on thistle tea

I kinda began liking ER after some weeks

[strange python]

Thistle tea sucks so much

[royal lantern]

10/10, never had that in the last few years

oh wait

[slim hamlet]

SD is a meme to put in class tho

[strange python]

thistle tea is based

[slim hamlet]

HUUUUUUH

Someone ban this man

[vital reef]

Is we assume we dont have access to a Mythic Grieftorch, does Ruby Whelp shell becomes BIS? Im looking and its within 1% of BIS. Box+Shell vs what?

[strange python]

i will not accept thistle tea slander

[slim hamlet]

the only reason we arent afk 99% of the time is because of tea

Do u want to unironically pool 20% of the fight

[magic vine]

er is good with sin imo, it fits in nicely with the cp generation

[strange python]

That's because of haste and spec tree tuning. Tea is a bandaid to fix otherwise bland energy scaling.

[slim hamlet]

yea

Yea lets get rid of tea then

no bandaid at all

[strange python]

If the energy nodes in the spec tree were more compelling tea wouldn't need to exist

[slim hamlet]

giga ultra omega brain

[strange python]

pooling

Or...let's not pretend to love a bad ability just because things would be worse if we ditched it and made zero other changes?

[slim hamlet]

I love tea

[strange python]

That's like saying you like the plastic bag over your broken window because without it you'd be cold.

[spice spire]

You got tea?

[slim hamlet]

I love tea

[spice spire]

Spill it, sis

[slim hamlet]

No

[strange python]

The tea is, thistle tea stinks.

[slim hamlet]

Only for Varas

[strange python]

i cant tell from the sheet but if you dont have cct, would grieftorch + fully learned rws be fine?

[slim hamlet]

I have never heard anyone complaing about tea

I feel like everyone loves it and feels nostalgic

[strange python]

Don't focus on the sheet. Sim yourself.

[vital reef]

Can we sim RWS?

[strange python]

thought rws sims were wonky

[slim hamlet]

it is but u can

[strange python]

👍

[slim hamlet]

just gotta use costum code

[strange python]

Cct and box are probably better

[slim hamlet]

For the fire shot (st blast):
dragonflight.whelp_training_weights="fire_shot:20/lobbing_fire_nova:1/curing_whiff:1/mending_breath:1/sleepy_ruby_warmth:1/under_red_wings:1"
For the Nova (AOE)
dragonflight.whelp_training_weights="fire_shot:1/lobbing_fire_nova:20/curing_whiff:1/mending_breath:1/sleepy_ruby_warmth:1/under_red_wings:1"
For Crit
dragonflight.whelp_training_weights="fire_shot:1/lobbing_fire_nova:1/curing_whiff:1/mending_breath:1/sleepy_ruby_warmth:20/under_red_wings:1"
For Haste
dragonflight.whelp_training_weights="fire_shot:1/lobbing_fire_nova:1/curing_whiff:1/mending_breath:1/sleepy_ruby_warmth:1/under_red_wings:20"

and put it on nightly

[slim hamlet]

it is

[strange python]

ty

[grim jay]

how is cct better than torch

[slim hamlet]

?

[grim jay]

he has torch

[slim hamlet]

yea

[strange python]

2x active = monkas

[grim jay]

no biggie at all

[slim hamlet]

U didnt have cct right?

[strange python]

nop

[slim hamlet]

Yea

so

what

huh

[strange python]

im lost now lol

[slim hamlet]

this

[grim jay]

this

[slim hamlet]

oh

idk

I didnt realise it said box

just thought it was torch

[strange python]

lol

[slim hamlet]

idk where box came from

[strange python]

tbf i still need 4p

ive been cringed out of getting that xd

[grim tangle]

yeah me too

[slim hamlet]

puzzle box lovely

[vital reef]

'fire_shot:20/lobbing_fire_nova:1/curing_whiff:1/mending_breath:1/sleepy_ruby_warmth:1/under_red_wings:1': Option 'dragonflight.whelp_training_weights' has been deprecated. Please use option 'dragonflight.ruby_whelp_shell_training' instead.

[slim hamlet]

[strange python]

[vital reef]

Whats the code for adding?

[slim hamlet]

where did u add it?

[vital reef]

At custom code at bottom

[slim hamlet]

Maybe it has been updated

this worked yesterday

[vital reef]

I did it on weekly and it worked, but then I saw - change to nightly

so I tried on nightly and got that error

[slim hamlet]

idk

@vestal wren

help

Oh he is on red

Might take a while

[strange python]

did they add it to the nightly build?

dont need weights?

[slim hamlet]

When I did it, it only worked on nightly

[vital reef]

Looks lioke doing weekly with the above script worked

[vestal wren]

what is the question

[slim hamlet]

Yeah I guess the nightly has become the weekly by now

how sim ruby trink

[vestal wren]

you need to use the nightly version

[slim hamlet]

but this?

[frigid musk]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[vital reef]

Gave me the error on nihgtly

only worked on weekly

[vestal wren]

the apl lines are in the pins in #subtlety

[slim hamlet]

oh theyre different now

[vestal wren]

yes

they changed

the old format only worked for 1-2 days

the new one is easier to read/understand

[vital reef]

Alright thanks!

[vestal wren]

!fuu uses the old ones

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[vestal wren]

but dps wise it does not change

just easier readable

[storm onyx]

Tea design is on purpose, as is the energy regen. Game/spec needs us to act/react, track. We could remove Tea, IG. SS, DS etc and bake all in to abilities itself and then what? Bland game play? Static Rotation? Boring class? Tea is good sustained burn; lets us dish out a 400-500 energy Mut+Ambush+Env period on demand. Thats huge tbf.

[strange python]

Lol

[rocky ruin]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[rocky ruin]

Anyone know how to sim yourself with the crafted ring?

[storm onyx]

Gear Compare

[slim hamlet]

or droptimizer

[royal lantern]

thats the crackhead take of the day

how do you think rogue worked in the last 15years without shitletea?

[storm onyx]

Haste addicted, slower

[grim jay]

it existed, but did it really work?

jk

[storm onyx]

In classic it did

it was our main consumable at somepoint in raid

[royal lantern]

ah yes, vanilla wow

the pinnacle of gameplay references

👌

vanilla wow nostalgia gave us shit like SnD back during SL launch without any thought or reason, nobody likes it/wants it as an active ability and all complaints get ignored

[storm onyx]

I agree on SnD, it should have stayed dead

[slim hamlet]

What is wrong with snd

as long as we have ways to extend without clicking it

[wary ice]

CTTC didnt exist when i t was brought back

[royal lantern]

i really dont wanna start that rant again

like

for oxi/whispyr sake

they saw me do it way to often

[slim hamlet]

i like snd

[magic vine]

the fact that you're saying "as long as we can extend without clicking it"

[slim hamlet]

🙂

[magic vine]

shows that its dumb

[storm onyx]

Oh my, It was removed for a reasonl then found its way back in...

[slim hamlet]

idk maintaining a buff as a minigame is fun

in raid u forget it exists

in m+ u have to think about it tho

[royal lantern]

tl:dr, the entire ability is a huge desing flaw that got removed because of it, and then was added back for no reason beyond "DaE classic released, remember SnD?????" and made assa litearlly unplayable on launch

and in its current state the ability is activated once and then never touched again, so why does it exist at all anyway?

wont say more about it

i can rant for hours about SnD and how BAD and flawed this entire ability is, and how it shows that blizz sometimes just goes circles

[grim jay]

yeah just make it passive

[royal lantern]

YOU MEAN HOW IT WAS ONCE????

[grim jay]

[vestal wren]

it is similar on all 3

[slow marsh]

its the extremely slow falling balloon that makes your dps go poof if you dont manage to tap it back up every now and then

[storm onyx]

It was passive...

[vestal wren]

all 3 specs do maintain snd only some times

[grim jay]

o rlly ty

[slim hamlet]

so what would be the point of having passive bonus attack speed

is it some way u get it running?

or actually just passive attack speed

[royal lantern]

we went from "SnD is a thing" to "SnD is annoying, pls remove it, its not fun having to use the pull to get my normal autoattack dmg" to "SnD is used once and then gets ignored for the entire fight, why is it a thing anyway"(<-----we are here right now) to "removed/turned into a passive"

[slow marsh]

although i will say that having alacrity AND snd is kinda dumb

they do the same thing

[grim jay]

no

[slim hamlet]

Pretty sure haste and attack speed is not the same

[slow marsh]

Doesn't matter they fulfill the same design purpose

[grim jay]

no

[slim hamlet]

?

[slow marsh]

yes they do

[grim jay]

haste and attackspeed are different

[slim hamlet]

tell me what then

[grim jay]

they do different things

as doesnt impact gameplay for sin

haste does

[frigid kestrel]

I’m not going against or for you argument, but wasn’t SnD like exactly the same as it is now one point in time too? Idk I vaguely. remember having to cast it once and never press it again….. I also don’t have the best memory in life either and can’t remember my kids birthdays

[royal lantern]

yes, and thats the point

we went full circle

why????

[slim hamlet]

u didnt answe this Tryan

I dont see the point in just having passively more attack speed

That is the reason u are hating on it, u dont even remember it exists right?

[grim jay]

having passive bonus attackspeed has interactions with some things in the game, so its better to have it than not

[royal lantern]

we had the entire drama with the ability once in the exact same way, people didnt like using an ability that says "you do normal autoattack dmg now", and it turned more and more into a "use once and then forget" thing, and then was turned full passive attackspeed boost, and then removed, just to add it back in

like what the fuck?

literally a circle

[frigid kestrel]

Yes it’s silly

Just keep it or drop it

[royal lantern]

DONT MAKE ME RANT ABOUT SND GUYS

[slim hamlet]

I really dont see a problem with current snd

[royal lantern]

i promised oxi i wont do it anymore

[grim jay]

you are slowly getting baited into ranting

[storm onyx]

Couse they didnt want t o bring back Prep+Premed while they were undoing the big 'Prune' and gave us SnD

[royal lantern]

yes

[frigid kestrel]

I honestly don’t see an issues with something you cast once vs something that’s a passive. But I’m with the idea that it should just stay a constant.

[magic vine]

premed still doesn't work like 75% of the time in open world for sub

[slim hamlet]

same

[grim tangle]

I would rather SnD didn't exist because I think damage coming from autoattack is dumb

[grim jay]

have to use a keybind for something you use once while its basically a passive at that point

[slim hamlet]

I mean its more interesting in m+

[magic vine]

is it?

[slim hamlet]

if its just passive its boring in both raid and m+

[magic vine]

is it really?

[grim jay]

how is snd ever interesting

[slim hamlet]

Yes u actually have to look at the timer

not just forget it exist

[nova pine]

What performs better in m+, sub or ass?

[slim hamlet]

sub

[royal lantern]

sub

[nova pine]

ty

[royal lantern]

sub performs better than assa in all content 🙂

[grim jay]

another ass guy

or girl

or d

[slow marsh]

you never have to look at snd in council cleave to make sure it doesn't drop though right

[slim hamlet]

Unless u suck at anything else then sin performs better in all content 🙂

[subtle tundra]

i might love ass

but tits are in my heart

[oak sky]

Not really

[supple snow]

quick question, isn't our prio always crit > vers? ( I didn't include the other two because they are unrelated to my question

[slow marsh]

i guess that's kind of true actually now that you would generally take SS for those types of fights

[subtle tundra]

vers is kinda bad for assa

[storm onyx]

Vers, we avoid

[frigid kestrel]

Crit and Mast

[supple snow]

so why do we have Tepid of vers > Corrupting rage ?

[slim hamlet]

100% uptime

and small dr

and 10x cheaper

[subtle tundra]

cause thats not how it works

[slim hamlet]

oh wait u said corrupting rage

[subtle tundra]

vers is better for many reasons

[oak sky]

Corrupting rage kills

[slim hamlet]

Corrupting in progress

[storm onyx]

Couse its the only flask thats without gimmics

[royal lantern]

nah, not really, the dot is really shit

its just that the crit bonus turns off during it lol

recup alone almost fully heals the dot

[slim hamlet]

I mean

if u almost would die

and u have corrupting tick

u die

so

it makes u die

[royal lantern]

well.........yeha? i gues?

[slim hamlet]

im kinda smart

[supple snow]

so technically , in a dungeon when you take lots of dmg or in raid, rage is almost never giving us crit? 😄

[slim hamlet]

corrupting in dungeon??

Hells no

[royal lantern]

yes

play corrupting in RLP

[slim hamlet]

in dungeons u always almost die so u just die

[supple snow]

yikes

[royal lantern]

every single fire elemental will cause you to have 0 uptime

cus inferno will do like 250%of your hp during its dot duration

[supple snow]

so which phial for which content then?

[magic vine]

its too bad that the alch bonus is only -50% to negative effects

[slim hamlet]

tepid vers

[frigid kestrel]

Glacial for M+

[ornate topaz]

do I still use Exang before Deathmark ?

[slim hamlet]

if u doing weekly 15's yes

not taking vers in push is troll

[slow marsh]

yes

[magic vine]

glacial is good for low m+, but its not that much better and vers is super cheap

[supple snow]

Tepid for all content ? no fury no Chaos no rage ever?

[ornate topaz]

and do I use Kingsbane after or before Deathmark ?

[slim hamlet]

Elemental chaos or whatever sims tiny bit better ST than tepid

But I believe u need 100% uptime or some shit for it to actually be better

[supple snow]

i was using Glacial for Fort weeks

[slim hamlet]

and 1.5% dr is 1.5% dr

[supple snow]

and you are more likely to die

[slow marsh]

after

[magic vine]

if you never have to move i think the static empowerment is really strong, but lol

[storm onyx]

haha

[storm forum]

if you only move with shadow step

[slim hamlet]

Surely there is a single fight in this raid where u dont move

[spice spire]

[magic vine]

dunno what amount of time you need it up to beat vers

[slim hamlet]

static empowerment is meme

no shot

[storm onyx]

Its not just time duration but related to what happened in that duration

[storm forum]

static empowerment is meme because no rogue can stand still for more than .6 seconds without fidgeting

[magic vine]

there are some fights where if you get lucky with random mechanics it could work in your favor. or you could just use vers and always get a solid benefit

[storm forum]

you only play static empowerment if you unbind ur movement keys and only move with shadow step and preist/dragons moving you around

[slim hamlet]

Just be the only melee

and get the other one

isolated something

[magic vine]

charged isolation

[storm onyx]

we are 12 melee in our raid ><

[slim hamlet]

13 in ours

[magic vine]

make sure to take long arms

[supple snow]

:))) what have I started

[magic vine]

its too bad none of the fights have a movement thing perfectly fitted to the movespeed one lol

[strange python]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[true rapids]

Anyone able to help me up my dps : #1065489268815958096 message

[strange python]

just want to make sure i have it right, w/o 4p, poison is preferred? or still go bleed even if i dont have 4p

[slim hamlet]

poison 2pc bleed 4pc

[strange python]

ok nice ty

[austere steppe]

How bad is it to be forced to open on 1st spider add and delay cd's on sennarth.

[slim hamlet]

u dont get forced to anything

[ashen rover]

u tell RL to F off

[nova zenith]

Sorry if there's a more recent message I should be responding to. If I'm dtb + exsang + puzzle + getting PI, should I puzzle and ask for PI after echoing reprimand or do I puzzle after Exsang and Deathmark?

[magic vine]

should run sims on it, since having a box or not can also change what build is best

[strange python]

👍 i dont have box, cuz i have grieftorch and i hate 2x actives lol

[spice spire]

Use both anyway

(Play what you enjoy is the actual answer)

[magic vine]

with a box and 2p iirc the bleed dtb was my highest sim for sin

[strange python]

gotcha

so what im assuming is i should realistically farm one

[slim hamlet]

Def wasnt for me

[frigid pilot]

is 10.05 sin going to be decent aoe?

[slim hamlet]

no diff

or well

[frigid pilot]

aoe shiv?

[slim hamlet]

in pure aoe better

[frigid pilot]

lol

[slim hamlet]

but m+ dungeonslice is no diff

[vital reef]

Do we go full ST for Tyranical week? Or is there a cleave build that doesnt lose much?

[green juniper]

new player here, which flasks and what else I should buy for heroic raid

[royal lantern]

vers flask

[thorny pond]

Tepid is cheap

[oblique jackal]

!puzzle

[prisma monolith]

Algeth'ar Puzzle Box usage:
When playing Exsanguinate, use Puzzle Box just before pressing Exsanguinate. Otherwise always sync Puzzle Box with Deathmark.
Holding Puzzle Box and Exsanguinate for a minute to sync with the 4 minute Deathmark is generally beneficial. Using Puzzle Box on cooldown can be beneficial with very specific fight lengths.

[thorny pond]

buy runes for weapons

food, pots

a carry if you're rich

[green juniper]

runes food pots.. I hope I'll find those on AH

[thorny pond]

Correct - #assassination-faq and guides will have the specifics

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[thorny pond]

WoWhead is primo

[strange python]

Our build is gonna be Carnage and DTB come next patch right

For M+

[thorny pond]

Depends

AP slaps

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[strange python]

But DTB is better😂

[thorny pond]

Like not even a %

[green juniper]

@thorny pond ty! got all the names from method page

[strange python]

Depends 11% for single target mythic+ a

[thorny pond]

IC is trash

DTB AP bae

/s in there somewhere

[magic vine]

theres some optimizations to be had with the ap sim stuff i think, but it looks pretty behind on st if you build for aoe like you need to in m+, but ahead on those aoe bits. so might be a week-to-week swap deal?

[balmy condor]

Have to get it before exsang because exsang snapshots haste

[nova zenith]

Got it and just saw the puzzle command. Thanks!

[royal lantern]

reason #38 why exsang sucks

[thorny pond]

It's called nuance and it's classy

[arctic venture]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[granite wing]

Love being kicked out of HOV runs because I don't play outlaw. Love to see it

[slim hamlet]

I swear I never understand how u find these pugs

[magic vine]

lol, i'd rather have a sin in hov for iron wire

[slim hamlet]

I have never been looked down on from picking a spec

[strange python]

Wait what😂

[granite wing]

Yeah, cause my Vanish is on 2min cd instead of every leap, so I'm out

the usual

[slim hamlet]

ahh

Kinda valid reason if theyre scared of fenryr

[strange python]

…just run away not that hard

[slim hamlet]

also a thing that sucks with sin

[granite wing]

It was a 16 after all, tough times these

[strange python]

[slim hamlet]

1x vanish while sub has 2 and outlaw 1 trillion

[slim hamlet]

HUH

Kicked from 16

xd

[strange python]

shitty healers or what

A 16?!?! What they think they doing a 24?!?

[magic vine]

if they're relying on the rogue vanishing every leap then they're probably going to fail

[strange python]

yeah LOL

[gusty mirage]

+16s are serious business

[magic vine]

saved you time

[royal lantern]

oh, and outlaw doesnt even need to do it for dps/its not a huge dps lost

[gusty mirage]

I got booted from a 16 algathar for not being sub or outlaw

[slim hamlet]

yep get fuckd

[arctic venture]

which embellishiment I should use on dagger?

[strange python]

just deal with it like a normal person

[gusty mirage]

while I had a +21 timed the day before

unlucky ig

not good enough

[royal lantern]

learn your place trash

[oak sky]

Skill diff

[gusty mirage]

ideally none, you make lariat + flaring cowl

[slim hamlet]

I dont understand how u find these

[gusty mirage]

and then get eranog ring

[royal lantern]

weekly16 no leaver is serious buisness

[strange python]

Just play outlaw smh

[gusty mirage]

I pug everything

[slim hamlet]

I have been doing 20-23 on sin whole last week

I also pug everything

[gusty mirage]

are you NA or EU

[slim hamlet]

Eu

[arctic venture]

My dagger still 402

[gusty mirage]

yeah upgrade it to 418 w/o embellish

[gusty mirage]

well there you go

[eternal vortex]

man i wish i wouldnt suck at assa so much in keys

[strange python]

eu > na

[dreamy gull]

if im at 4cp (no strategem) and blindside procs should i cast ambush or spend my combo points first

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/attitude-pug-gif-26232402

[slim hamlet]

isnt EU usually more elitist

[gusty mirage]

no

EU has more people with active brain cells

[royal lantern]

EU has more dumbasses aswell

[gusty mirage]

realize that you don't need an omega bis comp for a +20

[slim hamlet]

So NA average worse players but more elitist

[gusty mirage]

correct

[burnt star]

Imagine kicking people for a 16

[strange python]

id agree wit hthat take

[gusty mirage]

have you seen the RWF lately?

[slim hamlet]

smart

[gusty mirage]

[strange python]

ROFl

[strange python]

1-EU 2-NA 3-EU

[strange python]

either max cp or max cp-1, so use ambush i think

[slim hamlet]

I actually had an omega pumper feral in my 22 key 2 days ago

[gusty mirage]

like 20% of liquid's roster is EU too iirc

[slim hamlet]

I would invite any feral I see from now on

[eternal vortex]

i swear ferals are the most broken thing in the game

[burnt star]

Feral/balance pump

[eternal vortex]

after boomkins

[strange python]

feral is a bigbrain spec no?

[strange python]

😂 and 20% of Echos is NA

[burnt star]

Dont sit on them

[next edge]

!whyspir

[gusty mirage]

yeah they stole the good players

[strange python]

ive only had a few ferals that pop off

[next edge]

im so sutpid

[slim hamlet]

Feral in m+ is kinda hard imo

snapshotting and shit

[next edge]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gusty mirage]

I'm also sutpid

[next edge]

@gusty mirage

there's no way i play exsang

on sennarath

[strange python]

Mainly took our good healers xD

cant say i know anything about feral outside of it being supposedly bigbrain

[gusty mirage]

then don't

[next edge]

[gusty mirage]

oh

idk man I swapped dtb

because our unholy DK doesn't know what the spider ad looks like

[next edge]

Exsang was rly fine

[strange python]

LOL

[next edge]

on Terros

[gusty mirage]

so he does 0 damage to it

[next edge]

but on Sennarath

im so dummy

i will fail all

[strange python]

outchad him

just sit on boss

[next edge]

while gliding

[strange python]

teach him to switch

[gusty mirage]

no you're not the issue on sennarth

boss design is the issue on sennarth

like I'd rather do fatescribe than sennarth

and I'm not even trying to be funny

[next edge]

Sennarth

is prolly

one of the worst fights

i fought

[gusty mirage]

like, it's not even hard

[next edge]

in terms of design

[gusty mirage]

it's just fucking annoying

[next edge]

Exctly

boss is not hard

its extremely annoying

[gusty mirage]

if you get to the last platform with everyone alive and like 1 or 2 brezzes

the boss just dies

the difficult part is people cleaning up the drool on their keyboard

and focusing for more than 5s

[next edge]

yeah

[strange python]

what changes on m sennarth

cuz n/h are braindead

[gusty mirage]

tornados

and the ice ticks for 26k a second

its very cool

[next edge]

and everythiing is gliding

[gusty mirage]

yeah and you're just ice skating the entire time

[strange python]

sounds FUN

[gusty mirage]

oh its a blast

best boss fight EVER

WOW

[strange python]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gusty mirage]

at least kurog is fun

[strange python]

i took a break right as uldir launched

so i know literally nothing in between legion and now

For single target with no tier is dtb at least competitive with KB?

and all i can say is sennarth is epic!!

[sand sundial]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[gusty mirage]

legit whoever designed that boss fight

is an awful human being

[strange python]

lmao

[arctic venture]

@gusty mirage if I would use a embel, which one should use?

[gusty mirage]

flaring cowl + lariat

if you must put one on your dagger

[magic vine]

you should sim out the builds, what works best depends a lot on what you've got

[gusty mirage]

bronze wrappings or fangs

[strange python]

is 4p an extra 4% from 2p, or 4%+8% based off the spreadsheet?