#assassination

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marble hemlock
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so youd literally just have

slim hamlet
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Do you play m+ Whispyr

marble hemlock
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healer run maxrange on mount

oak sky
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Yeah pretty sure then it would go to furthest target

marble hemlock
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and theyd only jump but never hit

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now they changed them so they just jump a random target

pure moth
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What server are you on?

slim hamlet
storm forum
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oh i remember that, druid would just mount form the jumps

marble hemlock
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just speed gear would be enough

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for that pull

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pally with speedgear was more than fast enough

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in legion i mean

pure moth
slim hamlet
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I mean

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I can make it

marble hemlock
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but main reason you didnt pull bears

slim hamlet
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But its prob one of the hardest crafters to find

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that can actually make good qual

marble hemlock
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is that you could just pull all the vrykul mobs and kite them

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and theyd never cast any ability

slim hamlet
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Bears and bulls or whatever is vibing pulls

shell osprey
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!whispyr

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slim hamlet
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fenryr as rogue too

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That part is giga vibe compared to rest of dung

storm forum
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until ur healer says to save vanish for something 😠

slim hamlet
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huh

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yeah for fenryr?

teal bloom
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No,. I won't be using dps cooldowns to avoid damage exsangery

slim hamlet
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but

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u dont lose dmg

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u can still click your garrotes after

storm forum
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i didnt get restealth cause tank pulled while shades were still up so i ignored my healer and vanished on pull

lament warren
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so based

storm forum
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shadowmeld came up mid pull though so i did help him out for one of them

lament warren
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fuck those rotten tank mains

severe sparrow
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i wanted to be mad about having to use puzzle box but i can pretty much just macro it into deathmark, right?

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(assuming i dont play exang)

storm forum
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isnt it a channel?

severe sparrow
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oh

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sigh

surreal fractal
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Those are mostly mastery/crit gems on the whispyr sheet, right? Is too much crit a bad thing?

storm forum
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if it was instant like IQD we wouldnt be having a problem

severe sparrow
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yeah thanks, see, this is why i asked cuz i knew it wasnt that simple dogeKek

normal mist
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So i decided to go ST and still do Adds on dathea HC

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it worked out!

true rapids
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My Dathea parses are always gimped because I take IC to help silence the adds

peak basin
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@normal mist that's with kingsbane + exsang?

normal mist
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no

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thats DTB single target

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no CT

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xD

peak basin
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cool, thx just curious!

teal bloom
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I played DTB too. The adds live too short time on heroic to talent into CT

balmy condor
dark token
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dtb ic

peak basin
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I don't understand -- if it's a choice between kingsbane and DTB next week, why is DTB the only choice? Just that much better?

lament warren
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yes

balmy condor
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yep, pretty much

true rapids
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Kingsbane would be nutty with DTB but they obviously don't want that to happen otherwise it would be the default choice

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but DTB is basically the default choice right now anyway so idklol

lament warren
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no more dtb exsang kingsbane on raszageth

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with no 1mins it seems that is now firmly a sub fight

storm forum
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unless ur rl makes you take it for shields

lament warren
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at that point i think you just switch specs

storm forum
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ill swap specs with a gun to my head

lament warren
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i respect it

woeful cipher
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!whispyr

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zenith yarrow
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!whispyr

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thorny pond
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!whispyr

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limber lion
lament warren
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chill

manic knoll
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Hi. If you have the 4pc set, is 2/2 Elaborate Planning still better than 2/2 Bloody Mess for Raiding?

proper tapir
manic knoll
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Okay I guess thats always the answer

tiny finch
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do you guys save echoing reprimand if deathmark is coming of cooldown?

proper tapir
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Nah, send it. You will hit the points on the next go around

woven ruin
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There's no problem with macroing grieftorch with deathmark, correct?

tiny finch
winged quail
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Yo so I was just looking at Bloodmallet Sims to see if anything changes in terms of trinkets and noticed puzzlebox is way down, what's up with that? Is it still BIS?

lament warren
balmy condor
proper tapir
tiny finch
winged quail
# balmy condor Pins

Yeah was just confused cuz pin said it's still recommend but the BM sim looked really low, didn't think the channel would make that huge of a difference

lament warren
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np

balmy condor
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Puzzle box is better with exsang and better with kb

winged quail
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Ah fair enough thanks

lament warren
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do deathmark bleeds and poisons affect lethal dose

balmy condor
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It’s not simming wrong on bloodmallet, it’s just using the general build

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Yes

proper tapir
manic knoll
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Whats better than Puzzlebox? Hunger of the Pack?

lament warren
balmy condor
tiny finch
lament warren
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indirectly

winged quail
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Relieved cuz I dumped all my valour into upgrading it lol

tiny finch
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but in the end i can just cast echoing reprimand on CD then

lament warren
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i guess applying poison is pretty direct actually

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yes

manic knoll
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i have Puzzle Box & Grieftorch. Juggling conflicting CDs is dumb

woven ruin
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@proper tapir ok, so when should you use the grieftorch trinket then? Anytime outside DM?

lament warren
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just send it right after you cast echoing reprimand

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before you send your second rupture

proper tapir
balmy condor
manic knoll
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Thanks for the tips

winged quail
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Ngl having two on-use channel trinkets isn't my favourite, but can't deny the damage they do

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Stg tho if Raz drops a swirly on me again when I'm casting puzzlebox I'm calling a wipe

cyan wharf
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At what % you should stop taking crit/mast, or just always prioritize them? Or is something you just sim to see if changing a piece of gear has any changes overall?

lusty surge
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Always vers

manic knoll
proper tapir
manic knoll
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Yeah I guess so. Puzzle is a 3min CD, Grief is 2 min. Prob just want to burn asap

balmy condor
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Puzzle is used with dm every 4 min

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So you just hold the puzzle for dm

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And then grief whenever

proper tapir
manic knoll
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free trinket buffs

cyan wharf
# proper tapir Sim

I figured, just wasn't sure if a % soft cap has been generally understood, but tanks nonetheless

balmy condor
proper tapir
dark token
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what is dm

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i only know dn

remote heath
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death mark

cyan wharf
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Gotcha, when in doubt, sim it out pepe_nice

lament warren
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what’s dn

hollow river
frail mica
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any1 can explain why assassination simc this:

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wrong ?

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-0.35

spice surge
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Why whetstone is less dps than buzzing?

balmy condor
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I don't get the question

spice surge
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Buzzing is bussin on god fr fr

balmy condor
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it seems very straight forward

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buzzing > howling > whetstone

frail mica
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and why negative

balmy condor
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because negative means less

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and it's less damage

frail mica
balmy condor
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am I getting trolled

keen spruce
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I think he's asking why is buzzing rune negative

balmy condor
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but he specifically said -0.35

keen spruce
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i'm just throwin him a bone

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idk

frail mica
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Shouldn't it be dps gain?

balmy condor
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no?

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it's worse than buzzing

spice surge
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Compared to buzzing rune no

balmy condor
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so it's a loss

frail mica
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I just thought it was weird

balmy condor
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buzzing is the default

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that's why buzzing is basically 0

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the others are comparing to buzzing

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the others are worse

frail mica
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hm, got it

balmy condor
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therefore they lose damage

devout mirage
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!whispyr

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tacit otter
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where can i find the simc string to sim different whelp trinket buffs?

spice surge
tacit otter
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ye saw fuu post it couple hours ago, thank you!

wraith mantle
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anyone else have the bug where it shows you generated 4 combo points but then shows that you have 2? i am having this problem across all three specs but mostly on outlaw

balmy condor
wraith mantle
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ty

daring cave
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Hello everyone, I want to switch to Sin and was wondering after looking at the pins. Should i go with the Tempered blade spec for M+?

balmy condor
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no

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kb/ic is generally better

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but come next week we play dtb/ic

daring cave
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ah ok, thank you for the clarification

regal oxide
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is dathea trinket bis for M+?

balmy condor
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Yes

urban saddle
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!whispyr

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bleak crag
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what explains the massive drop of puzzle box on blood mallet

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If blood mallet is anything we can actually look at

slow needle
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Check pins.

bleak crag
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Thanks

tacit otter
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soon there has to be a pin: bloodmallet bad

bleak crag
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Bloodmallet is wrong on a lot of thing a lot of times. I am not sure why I still use it

dark arrow
jade wadi
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what talent setup is everyone running this week for m+? going DTB for single target? or sticking with carnage/kingsbane?

thorn fjord
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!pandemic

prisma monolithBOT
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Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

dense herald
balmy condor
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next week is 1/24 right

dense herald
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24/1 in a real country ye

viscid spear
dense herald
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Wednesday in aus m8

viscid spear
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When's Day

thorn fjord
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!whispyr

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upbeat needle
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@balmy condor goddamn that boy cranking on Sennarth

balmy condor
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still worse than last week btw

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kill time was ass

upbeat needle
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whenever my guild stops dying to terros

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Shadowstep tech is crazy

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cracked movement

balmy condor
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I learned that one from daps and cev

upbeat needle
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sheeeeeeeeeeeesh

balmy condor
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I was too scared to try it myself

upbeat needle
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im stealing

balmy condor
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but then they were like

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yeah

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do it

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it's worth

upbeat needle
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you were playing double step kb+exang yeah?

misty holly
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What's the tech?

balmy condor
upbeat needle
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or shadowstep back, i mean

misty holly
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😮

upbeat needle
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bro I watched him get pulled and was like

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wtf is he doing

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mans shadowsteps back

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I'm just like surprisedpika

upbeat needle
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except nimble fingers over master poisoner cause I'm a whore for energy

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LMFAOOO

balmy condor
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bruh

upbeat needle
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healers better heal man

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#selfishgamer

tough gorge
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If i use IC to spread rupture + garotte, if i puzzle box after, will it increase those dots damage?

astral nimbus
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Is anyone willing to look over my logs to see what i'm doing wrong? I just can't figure it out. If it's my rotation or stat priority or what but I just can't seem to parse for shit and it's just vexing me.

tacit otter
eager sorrel
tough gorge
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okay thanks

eager sorrel
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What else actually snapshots still, feral bleeds? Exsang? That it?

feral rivet
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feral bleeds do yeah, with Bloodtalons (Rip) and Tiger's Fury (all dots)

formal cliff
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do !log

astral nimbus
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oh i see

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sry

rough stump
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idfk what to take
shoulders mean i can get cowl next week, 418 chest means i can get 418 tier next week but that ring is sexy

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gusty mirage
balmy condor
normal olive
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bro wtf is this

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3rd time i have the ring in there

tacit otter
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ye got my 2nd also, wasted mythic vault

fickle herald
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Is it time to train my dragon?

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normal olive
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yooo dragon gang

feral rivet
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sigh wtf is this

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dire ivy
nimble vector
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!whispyr

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true rapids
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you hold the 2nd dm if you have puzzlebox to lineup with 2nd cast right?

tardy spade
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Silly question I know but whats the stat priority for assassin?

dire ivy
true rapids
dire ivy
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3rd dm + exsang if you play that

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Unless

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You loose a whole cast when holding

static glacier
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can't believe 421 windscar is a dps loss smh

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dire ivy
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You must have cracked trinkets

static glacier
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415 box and hc incarnate icon

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it's an upgrade for OL

dire ivy
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And whetstone sims worse in st and aoe?

static glacier
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yep

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it's bad in aoe in general

dire ivy
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Crazy

static glacier
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doesn't do any more dmg in aoe than st y'know

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the dmg is just split

dire ivy
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No it’s actually not that bad

spice spire
static glacier
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it's the same dmg as st, doesn't sim well in aoe at all

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go sim it and see the dmg contribution over a fight in st and aoe, it will be the same

dire ivy
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It doesn’t say it splits are you sure it does 😄

tardy spade
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sadge :(

static glacier
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can do a dummy test for you to prove it with a low ilvl one I have in bags

dire ivy
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Would be nice

static glacier
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on 5 targets

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feral rivet
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#outlaw message check there about how it scales on aoe, was literally just answered in outlaw

static glacier
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so it scales a little on aoe

dire ivy
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Well sucks that it doesn’t say that specifically in the tooltip

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Or my English is not good enough, one of the two

balmy condor
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it's like most aoe effects

feral rivet
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it does up to 60% more dmg on aoe

static glacier
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on trinkets?

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I stand corrected, it does do more damage on aoe.

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it just simmed so shit compared to hc dathea trinket I became depressed.

dire ivy
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Yea hc dathea trinket just explodes in aoe Sims

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Can’t imagine how lucky I would feel if I get the first mythic one

formal cliff
plucky dock
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What to choose? Kinda unsure how i sim the ring, bc is needs the flaming cowl as well?

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balmy condor
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you 100% take the ring

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0 thought required

plucky dock
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Haha okey

raw raft
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and craft cowl next week yep or whenever the next spark you get is

plucky dock
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In Whispyr i trust!

balmy condor
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cowl should already be crafted to be fair

spice spire
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Not having in made already 🤨

viscid spear
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Cowl is a great item by itself

oak sky
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i cant use it

viscid spear
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It just grows in value with the ring

oak sky
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fuck blizzard

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for late catalyst

spice spire
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Just simply get your 4p without

normal olive
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do i just go with the 421 set legs because i have the belt in my inventory and can upgrade it with valor

viscid spear
balmy condor
normal olive
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always a help

spice spire
viscid spear
spice spire
viscid spear
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Dathea & Rasz

spice spire
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Mf aiming for that lfr helm

viscid spear
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We cleared up to Brood, and no token from Dathea

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Gonna look for a Normal clear tomorrow ig

pine bloom
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Any tips for Council fight?

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And talents

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Should i be using fan of knives and crimson tempest or just single target and bleeds

cyan wharf
balmy condor
cyan wharf
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i just ripped this straight from faq

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but ye

balmy condor
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yeah that's an m+ build

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that not a 4 target build

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iron wire is wasted too

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@pine bloom go this, don't press mut ever, dot up everything, always ER->rup->IC

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maintain CT over envenom, you can CT at like 8-10 seconds left as well just for the damage

pine bloom
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Thanks Whispyr! I tried my M+ talents but wasn't working super well so for my guild runs id switch to Outlaw just for that boss...

balmy condor
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sin is pretty good on that fight honestly

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like 120-125k is pretty doable

pine bloom
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What Talents do you run for Brood?

balmy condor
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the ones that sim the highest in single target

pine bloom
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M+?

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What about killing all the adds

balmy condor
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you don't do any of that

drifting cloud
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if youre playing assa on brood you sit on boss

pine bloom
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Gotcha

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Thanks for all the info

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This discord is a goldmine

weak horizon
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Do you guys ever have an issue where you press the button for your trinket/tea and it doesn't go off?

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Seems to happen a lot with those two specifically, not sure if I'm pressing them too fast or what

tawny geyser
balmy condor
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80k at 405 seems ambitious

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I'm at 82k at 415

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but uh

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wtf happened here?

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tawny geyser
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dont ask me about the cap

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but what with dagger?

balmy condor
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potion absorption inhibitor

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is a bold choice

tawny geyser
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didnt know what else to go...it was 2nd week xD

balmy condor
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okay I guess

tawny geyser
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whats the best choice

drifting cloud
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cowl

balmy condor
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the best choice is getting rid of that potion inhibitor and crafting a flaring cowl

tawny geyser
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y i know cowl

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ofc

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i do it on 5th spark

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but which Emb on wep?

drifting cloud
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0

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you remove it so you can equip cowl

runic hinge
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Flavor

drifting cloud
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because lariat is the 2nd one

balmy condor
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yeah

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you just remove it

tawny geyser
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Ah i see

balmy condor
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once you get cowl

tawny geyser
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okk got it

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ty ty

balmy condor
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also not having 4 set

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doesn't help

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idk

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you're simming really high considering your gear

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I'm not that concerned

drifting cloud
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youre also specced 1 point wrong

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isnt it 2points in zold

balmy condor
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yeh

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I assume he did that just for a fight or something

polar gull
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i actually sim better with 1 in zold and that 1 ot going to improved garrote

balmy condor
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you mean shrouded?

polar gull
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yeah

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got the 2 mixed up

balmy condor
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yeh suppose that's possible

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2 piece usually doesn't like the bleed nodes much

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included shrouded

polar gull
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with 4, let me see if i have the report still

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maybe i goofed

balmy condor
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well with 4 you obviously take it

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cause you also take bleed nodes

polar gull
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oo true yeah i misread above then

undone eagle
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Is the eranog ring BiS for us even without Cowl ? I assume they fire proc together so thats why im curious

drifting cloud
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well no you need cowl but you should have cowl

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without it its just a high vers crit ring

green juniper
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guys I've got 2 set now, should I use DTB for it it says more poison damages

balmy condor
next edge
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AV finally nerfed

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Fuck it

plucky dock
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I just crafted Flaring Cowl, but i already have Lariat and Bronze Wrappings, which should i remove?

balmy condor
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bronze

plucky dock
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Aight, thanks! 🙂

prime current
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So do i or do i not trust the sims for trinkets?

balmy condor
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in regards to?

prime current
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now 408 technique trinket sims better then my 405 puzzle box

balmy condor
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yeah, puzzle box usage got fixed in sims, which hurt it a little bit

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what's weird about that?

prime current
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was just confused

balmy condor
prime current
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you say we hold the box for 4min but if on the sims it just dose it on 3min

balmy condor
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depends on the fight length

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if you're looking at sample sequence you can get weird stuff

prime current
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so sometimes trust the sims?

next edge
next edge
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who would you trust if not?

balmy condor
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sims are a tool like any other. It gives you information about your character, the gear upgrades to consider, and how to play

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like any tool, if you think you can use that information and do better

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you're free to do that

next edge
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you need to learn a bit about that too

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for example sims tell me I should take bottle by 150 dps over tier

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but I ideally want to replace that bottle soon, so it's tier for me regardless

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its not you don't trust the sims, you just think a bit around it

bronze pike
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al lhail the robot

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the robot knows all

prime current
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ok ty

balmy condor
slow marsh
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Seems simple enough

strange python
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What is the best raid build for someone without a 2 piece set?

royal lantern
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probs poision dtb

brittle burrow
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!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
dreamy gull
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Is it possible to skip thistle tea
I really don't like how seal fate messes with reprimand but it's probably too good to skip

slow marsh
subtle tundra
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I'm sleepy

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Did a whispy

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And hungy

slow marsh
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I can't imagine playing sin without one of it's core mechanics

steel ridge
oak sky
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e

slow marsh
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Like where would you get cp from

steel ridge
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There were debates about dropping SF with low crit but we are already at 40%

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So no, SF is giga busted

slow marsh
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How have they been with hot fix buffs / nerfs lately this xpac

dreamy gull
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I guess I didn't realize generating more combo points was that important
I have only really been playing for a couple weeks now

slow marsh
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This .5 change has me scratching my head and I don't even fully know what's going on again yet

slow marsh
steel ridge
slow marsh
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Only time more cp is bad is if it's all getting wasted but even then it's a good problem to have usually

supple snow
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What do we want more ? 421 weap or trinket ?

polar gull
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depends on trink

supple snow
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Say puzzle / wetstone / hunger

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I ask because the best trinket we can farm is 415. But the best dagger we can forge is 418. It’s more the is 3 ilvl on weap better than 6 ilvl on trinket or not?

steel ridge
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Sim it

balmy condor
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according to my sim

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it don't matter

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but then I would get a little bit of extra dps putting the 418 to the offhand

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so

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I guess dagger

supple snow
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Thanks a lot.

slim hamlet
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But then if u do mythic the dagger will be replaced, while the trink will not

vital reef
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I need a Weak Aura for "YOUR POISONS ARE RUNNING LOW OR OUT" - I went into a pull today with no poisons 😦

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Any recommendations?

slim hamlet
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simply dont forget

gritty dagger
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
magic vine
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most of the rogue wa suites have some sort of poison reminder, you could grab one and pull that bit out and dump the rest

gusty mirage
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would be my best advice

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after you're buffed up, etc ready to go, reapply at least the lethal poison before pull

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guarantees it'll always be up

slim hamlet
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I actually cant pull without clicking poisons

royal lantern
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wiped 3-4x? apply poisons

enter a m+? apply poisons

change talents? apply poisons

went afk for a while? apply poisons

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becomms a habit after some time

dire ivy
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Used phial apply poison is a big one for me

royal lantern
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same

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food flask first, THEN poisons

flint tusk
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I found a clickable wa that shows you with none or 10mins remaining when out of combat.
Also clickable with different combos of key and clicks for different poisons.

gusty mirage
slim hamlet
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smh

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non eaters

gusty mirage
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or my fav

slim hamlet
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or the 20 second arcane mage pulls

gusty mirage
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when someone dies, gets brezzed and then dies again

royal lantern
gusty mirage
#

and gets mad and walks away from their computer

#

so you wait 5 minutes for them to come back after the wipe

slim hamlet
#

doesnt sound like a normal issue

gusty mirage
#

up there with our 1.2% sennarth wipe

royal lantern
#

terros dies tomorrow btw pepehands

gusty mirage
#

where they left me in the webs

hybrid portal
#

is "new" tree coming next wednesday?

gusty mirage
#

for the entire time

#

while having a bop

gusty mirage
#

so I sat in the webs

#

until I just died

hybrid portal
#

cool, can finally test assa in dungeons

gusty mirage
#

all CDs up

#

I walked away and made a sandwich

balmy condor
trail tree
#

assa in keys is goated

hybrid portal
balmy condor
hybrid portal
balmy condor
#

we do that right now

#

we play KB IC

#

next week we play DTB IC

#

poggers huge difference

hybrid portal
#

do we get bomb i KB IC?

strange python
#

Lol 1 less button no?

balmy condor
balmy condor
#

1 less button

#

I'm actually singing a whole new world

hybrid portal
strange python
#

WOOO although I did enjoy kingsbane as I just feel clunky with DTB

balmy condor
#

right now you can't

#

but poison bomb in m+ is uh

#

not really that great

#

could make the same argument for "we have zoldyck now, and in 10.0.5 we don't, so we lose damage"

#

in the end it all basically balances out and we're at net 0

#

DTB/IC is going to be basically identical to KB/IC

hybrid portal
#

atleast ill have 2 steps for my dathea trinket!

balmy condor
#

you have that regardless

hybrid portal
#

not as outlaw or sub

strange python
#

Just don’t be outlaw or sub lol

balmy condor
#

sure, but you yourself said that it's too much effort compared to those

#

and that you lose too much single target going IC

#

and it's still more effort for less damage

#

and you still take IC

hybrid portal
#

lets rejoice 1 less button

dusk onyx
#

Is the Ruby Welpling trinket worth it now full trained? Is Bloodmallet up do date with this trinket?

balmy condor
#

if you want to play assassination, just play it

#

but don't make some weird half baked argument about why it's now playable

#

when it's been playable the whole time

strange python
slim hamlet
#

Man I can't wait for sin to be playable in m+ next week

dusk onyx
hybrid portal
#

i am just not that well informed, i honestly didnt think we could do 2 caps haha (happy im yellow named so people dont take me too seriously)

strange python
dusk onyx
#

Ok then just wait. Would be nice to know to start farming it and training it 😄

strange python
#

I mean you can always farm it and just wait shouldn’t be too much longer

flint tusk
next edge
slim hamlet
next edge
#

Sus Cring

slim hamlet
#

not 100% accurate

#

but they are there

slim hamlet
mystic tiger
#

!whyspir

uneven summit
#

hmmmm 421 catalyst legs or 421 whispering trinket =/

slim hamlet
#

(if u cant tell I was trynna make Whispyr mald)

lament warren
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
#

but full sim support hasn't been enabled yet

#

it doesn't seem that impressive though

next edge
slim hamlet
#

was like 0.4-0.6% behind my current trinkets no matter what

balmy condor
#

yeah

#

I'll compare it rq and make a pin

#

didn't have time before raid

slim hamlet
#

Fuu said it would prob be close to bis for other 2 specs tho

balmy condor
#

yeah makes sense

#

our trinkets are pretty rigid

next edge
#

I'm doomed

#

Took 421 tier shoulders

#

Haste upgrade made exsang even better and sin 150 dps ahead sub

strange python
#

Darkside

slim hamlet
#

I am so confused Lambda

#

What is your message about

#

you are doomed cuz u got 421 tier shoulders?

#

and then some haste upgrade

#

with exsang and better dps

#

huh

next edge
#

Yes I complain about more dps

keen spruce
#

break out the tiniest violin

next edge
slim hamlet
#

Ooooh

#

You complain cuz sin now sims better for you?

next edge
#

And exsang

slim hamlet
#

unlucky

#

skill issue

next edge
#

1k above no exsang now

slim hamlet
#

just click it

next edge
#

It was 640 before

keen spruce
#

i'm not even simming exang

slim hamlet
#

its kinda giga for me too

keen spruce
#

if I don't sim it it doesn't do more dmg

slim hamlet
#

1.3% iirc

keen spruce
next edge
#

Thanks God sin is dead next week

#

So this is last week of playing it

keen spruce
slim hamlet
vestal wren
#

estimate might oversim a bit, it assumes 80% proc chance of the trained proc but it isn't confirmed if its 80% or maybe a little lower like 78 or 75.
Most ppl did report somewhere around 80% but overall it might be slightly less

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just lines out how random the trinket is, that is why people sitll gather data to have the best estimate

#

procs also might be weighted in some way, but it is hard to reverse engineer

#

i did update the trinket simulations in the sheet (!sheet) for it yesterday, but as mentioned take things with a grain of salt

dusk onyx
vestal wren
# 
profileset."fire_shot"+=dragonflight.ruby_whelp_shell_training=fire_shot:6
profileset."fire_shot"+=trinket1=,id=193757,ilevel=415
profileset."nova"+=dragonflight.ruby_whelp_shell_training=lobbing_fire_nova:6
profileset."nova"+=trinket1=,id=193757,ilevel=415
profileset."crit"+=dragonflight.ruby_whelp_shell_training=sleepy_ruby_warmth:6
profileset."crit"+=trinket1=,id=193757,ilevel=415
profileset."haste"+=dragonflight.ruby_whelp_shell_training=under_red_wings:6
profileset."haste"+=trinket1=,id=193757,ilevel=415```
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^ the lines (can put it below your /simc in advanced sim)

slim hamlet
#

Not having blindside next patch for m+ will be kinda sadge

#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
austere radish
#

Sup Guys, does the Dragon Tempered Blade-Build gain some weight in Tyra weeks or are we just keep playing KB+IC?

strange python
#

KB+IC until talent changes

simple hornet
#

408 controlled technique w/ speed or 411 tier helm w/ socket for vault

balmy condor
balmy condor
simple hornet
#

oh party time, cheers whispyr

dapper flint
#

the heck, got 421 puzzle, was rejoiced, but it sims like +100dps over 408s icon and current, whaaat

balmy condor
#

are you playing kb with exsang?

dapper flint
#

dtb

balmy condor
#

with exsang?

dapper flint
#

no

balmy condor
#

problem solved

dapper flint
#

oh

#

link throwing puzzle.gif

balmy condor
#

play bad talents, trinket gets worse

simple hornet
#

whats the reason for no tier helm soz whispyr?

regal sable
#

im bad talents

balmy condor
regal sable
simple hornet
#

yep I do remember reading that somewhere now, cheers legend

dapper flint
#

i cant see dtb+exsang build in faq, feels like first time hearing about it or am i dumb

slim hamlet
#

I feel like most people dont know about bleed dtb

dapper flint
#

i have bleed dtb saved in talents, but it doesnt have exsang

slim hamlet
#

then just add exsang

#

throw away IP or something iirc

dapper flint
#

from zoldyks?

strange python
#

Doesn’t really take off until 4 set so most don’t look into It I suppose

slim hamlet
#

probably maybe zoldyck

#

idk

flint tusk
slim hamlet
#

there is many logs with the build

slim hamlet
gilded seal
#

What if they made it so kingsbane recharged all shiv charges, you guys think that could make it competitive in 10.0.5 or is that too strong. We could potentially get more use out of shiv Vice holding them every kingsbane?

slim hamlet
#

I am already a socket gamer

keen spruce
flint tusk
#

why the bloody shit mythic shoulders though like bro

#

the 421 shoulders are more annoying

slim hamlet
flint tusk
#

love downgrading gear to mythic tier because that's the max you can get

slim hamlet
#

I swear its bugged

flint tusk
#

then you get jammy boys in US getting both bis trinkets and eranog ring in a single vault

#

i mean that's cursed in it's own way but damn

lament warren
#

@ebon notch

image.png
#

would you mind sending me your talents

#

thanks

dapper flint
#

ok with kb+exsang box sims +2k... But kb is rip next week right?

slim hamlet
#

new talent strats?

flint tusk
timber basalt
#

4p in vault oOOoooo

flint tusk
#

only because it'll share a slot with DTB

dapper flint
#

so for the box to shine i need exsang 100%, and next week will we have some dtb+exsang build for it to be useful?

grim jay
#

And the current build is DTB exsang aswell

#

So

dapper flint
grim jay
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
grim jay
#

Best simming dtb is a 4p Set bleed build

#

Best simming overall is KB, depending on gear

dapper flint
#

oh right spreadsheet

#

looked in faq

grim jay
#

Tho I wouldnt try to get into KB now for a few dps considering its DoA next week

balmy condor
dapper flint
balmy condor
#

all that work optimizing shiv

#

(it wasn't a lot of work)

grim jay
#

@balmy condor Did you optimize shiv for the new talent in M+ yet? monkahmm starege

balmy condor
#

I haven't found anything

#

I did find an optimization for single target though

#

well

#

any target count really

#

just happens to not be better in dslice specifically

#

cause timings and stupid

grim jay
#

Dont tell me the TTB CB AoE shiv big damuhj dream is dead monkaS

balmy condor
#

probably dead KEKL

#

I need to check one more thing regarding that though

grim jay
#

They should make CB CT be a crit on every tick kekw

#

The new talent might be good then aswell OMEGAKEKW

balmy condor
#

I don't think my original CB Shiv logic was good

#

so

#

we gotta recheck that

dapper flint
#

ok found dtb+exsang build in spreadsheet, box +1k dps there, so its to-go after patch and im settled?

balmy condor
#

yeah DTB + exsang is looking like the go to atm

dapper flint
#

phew, so box it is in vault, thanks everyone!

#

link gets box from river.gif

balmy condor
empty hinge
#

cute frogs

verbal mantle
slim hamlet
#

So Whispyr

#

Why havnt you fixed the KB issue yet

#

smh

balmy condor
#

can't fix bad talent

slim hamlet
#

Just make it better?

vestal wren
#

pathing did make it intreressting

#

now it competes in power level more

royal lantern
empty hinge
#

is it only me or the new aoe shiv thingy doesn't help a lot since we dont pick it over IC+DtB

#

im sorry if i missed a discussion about this

vestal wren
balmy condor
empty hinge
#

ty king

rigid tartan
#

On fortified raging apic will get extra value I hope

balmy condor
#

yah

#

you def take AP on raging weeks

slim hamlet
#

Wait were we able to get dtb+ic before

balmy condor
#

no

slim hamlet
#

Yea alright just got confused for a sec

balmy condor
#

DTB is a stand alone capstone right now

rigid tartan
#

Kb loss in raid hurts my heart

balmy condor
#

dashing to 2 point max makes every two-capstone combo possible

slim hamlet
#

holy shit current dtb m+ is boring then

balmy condor
#

I think it's more interesting than dtb ic

slim hamlet
#

But yeah I just see it as we get more "choice" in m+ and no choice in raid

balmy condor
#

IC removes a lot of thought process about refreshing bleeds or what mobs to open on

#

it feels great

slim hamlet
#

yea?

balmy condor
#

but I think it's rotationally easy

slim hamlet
#

isnt that good

nocturne current
#

I'm only sad we lose Blindside in DTBIC

slim hamlet
#

Well

#

its not like any of it is really hard

#

But I see what u mean

balmy condor
#

multidotting the right targets on pull and maintaining enough dots can be pretty challenging depending on pull

slim hamlet
#

I love IC as a cd tho

balmy condor
#

oh yeah IC is great

slim hamlet
#

Feels great to be instantly into the fight

#

and then just be maintaining

#

Tyran pulls without it just dies before you even get bleeds running

#

sadge

slim hamlet
#

What I said earlier too

#

Blindside really is a quality of life talent

#

while also doing dam

nocturne current
#

Blindside should have been the choice between MA/Blindside and not Exsang in my opinion...

slim hamlet
#

huh

#

ahh

#

I see

#

I dont agree tho

normal mist
#

@nocturne current what server you play on?

slim hamlet
#

its down at the execute talents

nocturne current
#

In the talent tree position, although its a bit powerful for mid tree

slim hamlet
#

makes sence

supple snow
slim hamlet
#

Yea idk what ill be doing this week

#

maybe just play another spec

normal mist
#

Or or hear me out: invite people that can't do aoe DMG to your keys!

slim hamlet
#

smart

#

like?

#

full st uhdk

#

yep

supple snow
#

Big smart. But doesn’t make it feel any better since they can also do single target and you feel useless 😂

normal mist
#

Why would you? Just press keys harder!

slim hamlet
#

its not like our st sucks with ic+kb

grim jay
weak crescent
#

do windscar and grieftorch share cooldown ? (the 30 sec trinket cooldown)

slim hamlet
#

all active trinkets

#

have 20 sec cd

weak crescent
#

oh

#

fuuu

slim hamlet
#

I believe its 20 at least

turbid heath
#

guys I got my 4set in my vault if I take the Tier Head - but that means I'd be losing cowl 😦 Should I just take the 415 Ruby Whelp Shell instead?

vestal wren
weak crescent
grim jay
vestal wren
#

i was joking ^^

weak crescent
#

hahhaha

vestal wren
#

you can sim ruby shell, just keep in mind that it is still a estimate that could be slightly off

rare jackal
#

when turning an item into a set item using the catalyst does it use the set item secondary stats or the stats of the original item?

vestal wren
#

but you need to consider what you train

#

fire blast is good for single target, haste seems good for dungeons for assassionation

royal lantern
rare jackal
#

i imagine the catalyst is time gated

royal lantern
#

yep

rare jackal
#

is it one conversion per week or?

royal lantern
#

1charge a week

rare jackal
#

huh okay

dapper flint
#

another question about exsang+dm+box: as i got it from faq i just hold everything to use with DM? Ie pull exsang+dm+box - 2 min dm only - 4 min exsang+dm+box - 6 min dm only and so on?

#

(considering i wont lose casts if boss dies early ofc)

turbid heath
crisp cipher
#

still no 4 set pepe_nice reee

steel ridge
rigid tartan
steel ridge
#

if anything sin will be glorious next week

rigid tartan
#

who else can see an Arterial Precision Build wrecking on Kurog?

steel ridge
#

not sure

rigid tartan
#

yeah I'm probably off the rails

royal lantern
#

i cant see it rocking anywhere rn

grim jay
#

Believe

#

Whispyr said he still has stuff to check and test monkahmm starege

steel ridge
#

not even sure CT is the play for kurog idk yet

#

kinda struggling for places to put it anyway when i run blindside+sbs, which is more of an issue for me than it should be

balmy condor
rigid tartan
#

ideally your raid comp is optimized so you can go all in on Single target and just blast boss and thundering add as assa imo

balmy condor
steel ridge
#

i really dont care about small add dps

balmy condor
steel ridge
#

we have enough padders for that

balmy condor
#

what's a small add

#

it's a 2 target fight

#

those are pretty big adds

steel ridge
#

yeah ofc

rigid tartan
#

to make the fight easier it's best to blast thundering and frozen and just take it chill on the others as long as healers can bare to is my understanding

steel ridge
#

checked some wcl for boss damage and those were mixed

#

some CT some no CT

grim jay
#

I honestly think it feels pretty bad to only have one final row talent worth picking in some cases compared to most other specs always picking 2.
I mean it doesnt matter much after all, but design-wisemonkahmm

grim jay
rigid tartan
#

keep in mind the assa rogues on the top bossdmg spots were not pressing cooldowns on Frozen Destroyer but holding 4th deathmark etc. for boss

winter moss
steel ridge
winter moss
#

@balmy condor maybe

balmy condor
#

they're adds

#

what

drifting cloud
#

wtf maccie is geared

balmy condor
#

why would adds count for boss damage

balmy condor
winter moss
#

what the

nocturne current
#

I feel like Whyspyr is actually an AI

winter moss
#

nope he is just a super crak profound of rogue

#

and an actual nice person

balmy condor
#

I've stared at many many sims

nocturne current
#

true

steel ridge
#

maybe i am just weirdly tripping

brazen nimbus
#

do i wanna sync my 2nd exs with deathmark even if fight is like 6:30 or do i just wanna use exs on CD?

balmy condor
#

I got into rogue theorycrafting in 8.3 when corruption was a thing and no one could sim themselves

#

I actually had a queue of people asking me to sim their character

#

would just sit in here and raidbots one person after the other

#

good times

winter moss
#

was it 8.3

#

feels longer

royal lantern
#

why sim

winter moss
#

youve been here for like forever

royal lantern
#

just stack haste corruptions

#

lol

nocturne current
#

Good old times where an aoe ring would do 12% damage lol

balmy condor
winter moss
#

expedient exsang build

#

just do what raz did

uneven summit
#

Would you say it´s worth grapping a Whispering from vault, when the only other option is 421 catalyst legs, and the trinket is an upgrade

winter moss
brazen nimbus
#

do i wanna sync my 2nd exs with deathmark even if fight is like 6:30 or do i just wanna use exs on CD?

steel ridge
#

lmao the good times when whisp was a no green/no orange dude

#

pepperridge members

royal lantern
#

my priest friend had all the haste % and haste proc corruptions, took the haste proc azerite power in all his gear pieces and got a max lvl haste proc shrine of the Storm staff during 8.3

he legit had a never ending BL as a disc Priest

#

smite machinegun

balmy condor
#

got me sweating over here

#

sir maccie von rizzleton

old jewel
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
winter moss
hot goblet
balmy condor
winter moss
#

so you can greylog on kurog like me? i think there are more capable people as me

#

(i died in the last 30 secs bc of stupid)

balmy condor
balmy condor
#

how much dps

#

Imma drop like a 97 on sin

#

and still lose

lyric grail
balmy condor
#

bro

#

7 min wipe

#

98?

#

jesus

#

assa kurog is down bad

#

I didn't think it was this bad

neon oxide
#

got grieftorch in my weekly vault

#

lets gooo

#

im kinda stacked after the past week, finally got 4 set, then got 4 set so I can equip flaring cowl again and now got grieftorch

#

After 3 weeks of literally garbagio

nocturne current
#

98/100 wtf, dayum.

drifting cloud
#

time yourself out

neon oxide
#

says the blue name

#

smh

balmy condor
nocturne current
balmy condor
#

WE ARENT KILLING THIS BOSS THIS PATCH

winter moss
drifting cloud
#

valid reason ngl

balmy condor
#

GUILD LEAD GONNA DIE OF OLD AGE BEFORE WE FIVE HEAL

#

LET ME HAVE THIS

dim mural
#

You still 4 healing?

balmy condor
drifting cloud
#

but yeah it has 50 parses and 86k would put you at r9 or something

#

but zold hasnt kicked in yet

balmy condor
#

horrendous

#

yeah

drifting cloud
#

so only stonks

balmy condor
#

no zold

#

copium

#

for sure

#

zold hard carries

#

140k blaster boutta come in

neon oxide
#

copium

#

hard copium

drifting cloud
#

well its pretty close

steel ridge
drifting cloud
#

89k would be r4!!

neon oxide
#

my guild still hasnt killed heroic raz so what do i know

balmy condor
drifting cloud
#

I mean its probably worth

#

do you run UH?

steel ridge
balmy condor
#

yes SAD

#

he takes all the pi's

drifting cloud
#

but you have double priest

#

aswell

balmy condor
#

and then the devoker

#

and then the warlock

#

and then the mage

#

and then me

drifting cloud
#

yeah but in execute

#

with trinket exsang pot

#

pretty sure rogue is only b ehind like uh?

nocturne current
#

2 zolds next week whut am I missing?

neon oxide
#

my guild doesnt even have a priest

royal lantern
balmy condor
#

I'll kick him down the totem pole

neon oxide
#

!whispyr

prisma monolithBOT
royal lantern
#

y'all need priest connections

#

i legit have ti beg the priest to not give me PI

#

instead he gives me broodkeeper now

balmy condor
#

aight seli did 87,888

#

we go for 88k

steel ridge
#

what build are you rocking for kurog, whisp?

limber lion
#

Based

steel ridge
#

like what do you drop? shiv and venom rush?

balmy condor
#

you go this

#

BMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQTikQiElEAAAAAAAJAkkAAAAAAAQQaOQJJkkkkWIJSCJEJJB

crisp cipher
#

I understand Storm Eater's Boon is the highest simming trinket for m+ by far but is it really practical?

balmy condor
#

yes

royal lantern
#

no

#

fuck stormeaters

#

stop spreading missinformation whisp

rare jackal
# balmy condor

you take twist the knife as opposed to amp poison cause of aoe right?

balmy condor
#

sorry tryan you're right, what I meant to say is

it's super impractical, all the top m+ players are using it to gaslight the rest of the community into using it to throw as many keys as possible in order to sandbag the requirements for the m+ titles so they can sell carries easier for it and make more gold

royal lantern
balmy condor
nocturne current
steel ridge
balmy condor
steel ridge
#

didnt even think of kingsbane tbh