assassination

[neon oxide]

Raidleading as melee dps is tough tbh

Even just looking after myself I have no idea what anyone else is up to, too busy dodging swirlies

Blazzer it also looks like you sat on Echoing Reprimand CP's for a long time too but its hard to tell from logs because of the different buff states, just not familiar with it atm

[drifting cosmos]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[devout prism]

at least assassination is a good RL spec, apm is relatively low compared to outlaw

[neon oxide]

outlaw tag

sussy

[devout prism]

I'm a pirate at heart but I play all three 😄

[neon oxide]

issue with sin is you have plates to spin, dot uptime etc

outlaw you just go brrrt mash button

Rogue is just bad to RL with imo

cant help it sometimes tho

ffs who let whispyr have good trinkets

the meme is dead

whispyr got r1's with these trinkets btw

Just 1 final point - for assassination tier set is literally bonkers dps increase, your logs will forever look bad till you get 2/4pc

[little light]

was there a good platter setup somewhere? dont think there is any on the faq

[hoary isle]

really? cuz according to the sheet it says 8% dmg increase

[neon oxide]

depends on what youve already got, and what that 8% is based on

because if you have dog itemization and ilvl its gonna be alot more than 8% because of the raw stats on pieces

but an 8% dps increase is huge

[subtle tundra]

It's average

Tier sets were supposed to be 4 and 4

That's what rogue got

It's not like boomy where it's like 14%

You don't look at ilvl when you compare tier dmg increase

Too much variance

[thin portal]

how do you guys like tauren racials as rogue?

I didnt like the combat animations, but the racials look yummu

2% more crit dmg actually give a little more deeps?

[pale plank]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[royal lantern]

fyi, dwarf rogue is a thing since vanilla

and they share the same thing

and nobody ever said "dwarf rogue is giga important for more crit%" ever ^^

[balmy condor]

more crit?

or good??

new rogue sorry don't know softcaps

[ornate topaz]

The arrowhead is great for ASSA tho 😛 i got a 378 one

[royal lantern]

whisp going beyond 34%

43% is the new Goal

[balmy condor]

100% has always been my goal

[royal lantern]

100% is the REAL master assassin after all

[neon oxide]

I think crit is overrated

im goign full haste

and getting 5 PIs

then people will respect me

[heavy haven]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[ancient rain]

new spreadsheet looks slick

[sick aspen]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[ancient rain]

is there a way to do gear compare with embelishments like fang adornments etc?

[vestal wren]

i did hear there was a hard cap at 69,69% crit

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

tbh i like 99% crit to hit that sweet 2cp mut

😈

[molten galleon]

See what you did there 😉

[tawny geyser]

So I've decided to copy the build from Assa FAQ and I kinda find it weird to take Gouge and Tricks of Trade in raiding? Can someone explain why do it is recommended to go that path?

For the DTB build

[balmy condor]

they're utility points

take whatever

[tawny geyser]

Thanks for the info

[balmy condor]

np

honestly dunno what else to dtake

like you could take blackjack guess

[brazen zodiac]

needs more crit

[neon oxide]

Gouge also just a consequence of pathing and ToT leads to Tight Spender, is what it is

ToT is also hella useful for any adds that spawn like on Grimtotem or Brood

just having in the back pocket is nice

also I am now 396 equipped with no tier set, AMA

[signal merlin]

am i the only one who got this?

[subtle tundra]

got what

wound poison?

no why would i use that

[clever vigil]

Yeah wound pison should be a non leathal poison again

[signal merlin]

for pvp tho

and no

just about the 2 non lethal poison

even with dtb it's not possible to coats both

[steel sorrel]

@neon oxide I am 397 with 4set and cant get more than 80-90% parse in HC. Feel free to ask how not to play I guess? 😦

In a good pull I can do roughly 54k dps on HC Broodkeeper in pure ST. It is certainly time to study what the fuck I am doing wrong in my rotation

[neon oxide]

hand over your gun and your badge (and your 4set), youre on unpaid leave

[steel sorrel]

haha, I know man

fuck sake

[balmy condor]

lmao skill gap

[royal lantern]

oh no, only 80-90

[balmy condor]

yeh

[royal lantern]

the Horror

[balmy condor]

realistically you're probably fine

and just getting blasted by the 405 people with 1:30 kill times

[royal lantern]

more than fine lol

people should get that "if im not 95+ im bad" mindset out if their heads

[steel sorrel]

No shit, never raided seriously and picked up rogue one week before DF came. Been trying to learn as much as I can from you guys ❤️

[neon oxide]

srsly tho, hand over your 4 set

i want it

[balmy condor]

heroic council already got kills at like 2:20

[steel sorrel]

Not that, I feel very pleased but I realize I am doing something wrong

Thats all

[steel sorrel]

I dm you my account, np

[neon oxide]

My rogues 396, no tier set BUT lmao

[steel sorrel]

DAMN

🙂

[neon oxide]

I really cant complain

[real bay]

2:20? our kill 4:30 lmao

best damager

[steel sorrel]

Is the gain on lost combo points referring to dps or how do this work? xD

[strange python]

4:20 KILL

[balmy condor]

raw gain is the total you gained
wasted is how many overcapped
gain is how many you "profited"

[royal lantern]

+like, most stuff that is 98+ is external spamm anyway

[balmy condor]

so you generated a total of 120 seal fate cp

but you overcapped 15

[steel sorrel]

OH

[real bay]

i looked at top100 parses and see most at 400-405ilvl and stopped caring

[steel sorrel]

I see!

[balmy condor]

so you have a total of 105

[royal lantern]

last week i got 90 on all fights

[steel sorrel]

Damn, thats alot of envenoms O.o

[royal lantern]

this week its 60-70

2 set and 390ilvl

[real bay]

cant compete against 15ilvl higher with bis trinkets and shit

[royal lantern]

you just get "stomped" by people that had better loot rng

thats why parses are not that serious

espacily early tier where loot rng can give you orange everywhere

[real bay]

idd

[balmy condor]

Turns out seal fate is a good talent who knew

[royal lantern]

the talent that all 3specs take is GOOD?

inc:seal fate nerf

[steel sorrel]

Nono, I specced out of it now becasue I miss alot of the CP keklul

[balmy condor]

Untalenting seal fate is like a 20% loss in aoe

It’s ridiculous

Assassination basically does not function without it

[royal lantern]

yep

i swear, if seal fate becomes "problematic" and they do stupid changes with it

and fucking assa HARD with that

instead of just giving it assa baseline or in its tree

i will riot

[balmy condor]

Idk

They can remove it and rebalance

Would be okay

[royal lantern]

i mean, yeha

but its blizzard

and we are a melee dps

[balmy condor]

And that means….

[true lark]

shame if u use shadowstep u can't talent it to like buff something

[balmy condor]

What

You want shadowstep externals?

[vestal wren]

dh can use their utility spells for dps, so if you like the concept it might be something for you

[balmy condor]

That sounds like

A horrendous idea

[true lark]

shrug bonus dmg for using shadowstep

[balmy condor]

You get bonus damage for using shadowstep

It’s called being able to hit the enemy

[neon oxide]

that does sound

awful

no momentum

[true lark]

illogical comment but u do u

[balmy condor]

Lmao

[vestal wren]

it is rly strong

[neon oxide]

Its not illogical, the whole point of shadowstep is being able to hit the boss

[royal lantern]

ah yes, fuck having mobility abilitys for...
mobilitly, use them on cd for DPS

[vestal wren]

rogues do like shadow step

[royal lantern]

Good idea

[neon oxide]

DH is designed to be swishing around

[royal lantern]

people realise that shit like tha would mean rogue has no mobility except sprint anymore right?

[balmy condor]

Shadowstep enables movement and uptime you don’t normally get

It’s already damage

[true lark]

how much dmg does it do

[balmy condor]

That’s what movement abilities do

[balmy condor]

It does damage equal to the damage you did in the time it saved

[royal lantern]

if it doesnt show a dmg number, my acient reptile brain cant see that

[balmy condor]

If you do 50k dps and it saved 2 seconds, it did 100k damage

That’s pretty good

[true lark]

serraded bone spike seems so good should it always be taken

[neon oxide]

i made a thing

[balmy condor]

The single target builds take it

[neon oxide]

look how much damage shadowstep let me do

[balmy condor]

The m+ builds do not

[true lark]

sorry rehyn im not using ss on cooldown currently, i have a decent melee range to hit stuff. perhaps i need to 'get gud' by the sound of it and incorpoate it

[neon oxide]

if cant hit

shadowstep

big profit

if can hit

hit

[balmy condor]

Every fight has mechanics that will force you off the boss

[true lark]

yeah i dont do raids/m+ really just rejoined after a while

[balmy condor]

So what do you do

[true lark]

just leveling currently. figuring stuff out, it seems they cycled the borrrowed powers into the talent trees now 🙂 interesting but at least some more flexibility

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Some old some new

[true lark]

crimson tempest worth it? i always sorta didnt like taking it as it sounds weird, lol

[neon oxide]

Alot of classes now have a "best of borrowed power" throughout the years

Crimson Tempest is a good AoE spender dot

good for dungies

rank 2 for simdps on silvermoon eu now, guy ahead of me is musclebrah who has 8 ilvls and 4pc over me xD

[verbal mantle]

think we didnt get the part where you dont have your 4pc, repeat one more time please

[neon oxide]

Gief 4pc plox

2pc would suffice

[real bay]

1 piece of gear from normal and 1 from hc, lifes good

[balmy condor]

Simdps rank

10% margin of error sim

Very accurate leaderboard surely

[neon oxide]

Super accurate, most people aren't updated for dragonflight

[outer cairn]

egg duty on broodkeeper. not sure why the bm hunters aren't doing it since they are ranged and can cast while moving. meanwhile some eggs take me off boss and i do the most boss dmg

[plucky thistle]

Why my dmg suck in RLP i had 51.7K overall and others 72K+ i dont have set pieces but still? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BvfT3AkcPpNhwDRG/ Also on last boss i had 45,7K and others 60K with Kingsbane/IC build

I usualy do wowanalyzer but it dont work for assa yet

[ancient rain]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[solid mica]

Tell your RL to wake up

[quasi pine]

Idk i find it okay in assa at least we have poisons and bleeds , but yeah weird that hunters arent doing it

[solid mica]

What else wouldna hunter be there for

Buff grieftorch?

[tawny geyser]

Which Phial/Flask you guys recommend for raiding?

[quasi pine]

Be a nice carpet to wipe your shoes

[outer cairn]

we got her to like 10% last night and I mentioned very obviously that I was doing like 45k-50k doing eggs when I'm simming 61k currently. yeah its not the whole 10% but also there were people not doing that much damage at all and kiting a laser bean doesn't take much skill. I'd drop at points in the fight but then as soon as get got to p2, I started to climb back up to 2nd/3rd because I was doing what I was supposed to. Honestly think its a trust/competence thing.

[rain oyster]

sin egg bitch gang B)

https://tenor.com/view/borat-high-five-gif-5448874

[slim hamlet]

Boss duty on diurna is the only way to do diurna

[quaint linden]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[thorn fjord]

We got her to 10% last night too on last pull 😦

[strange python]

Do we got the best execute in the game? Just killed H rasz and I out dpsed everyone else even people with pi on last platform by a lot

[gusty mirage]

Haven’t seen how it’s shaken out since all the hotfixes/nerfs/balancing but at one point we were ahead on execute by quite a lot

I’m assuming that’s probably still true

[thorn fjord]

Yeah fuck warriors!

[spice spire]

slow your role, buddy

[safe sluice]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[strange python]

@balmy condor how’s that dagger treating you btw, and got any light to shed on that?

[spice spire]

I'm like 90% sure whispyr is asleep right now, wouldn't expect an answer soon

man's demonic

[gusty mirage]

Any % above 10 assuming the man sleeps is bold

[spice spire]

Feeling frisky today

[thorn fjord]

He's gathering all the spice to bring to the sin channel

[gusty mirage]

Also he assigned me the KB role without any input

“You seem like a KB enjoyer”

And he’d be right

[thorn fjord]

haha

[keen mist]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/921555556664213624/1053279757069975552/Barry-Yes_1.gif

[teal bloom]

Kb implies that you are also exsang enjoyer

[spice spire]

nah

KB implies you like kb

just because the kb build has exsang doesn't mean you enjoy it

[gusty mirage]

I don’t mind exsang

[thorn fjord]

You know what neither do I lol @gusty mirage

[spice spire]

tbf, the exsang opener feels pretty good. It feels like you're doing something outside of just slowly climbing the meters

[gusty mirage]

I also don’t understand why people were SO EXCITED for it

[thorn fjord]

all that shit talking and i actually ran it last night using Fuu's DTB build in his spread sheet

and tbh its not all that bad

[gusty mirage]

Yea it’s not bad

It’s also not WOW AMAZING

[spice spire]

I liked antagonizing

[gusty mirage]

Like some people say it is

[thorn fjord]

You press it once every 3 minutes.... Not the worst

[spice spire]

it's an ability

[gusty mirage]

The cd change was the most annoying

ER into rupture into exsang

[thorn fjord]

I prefer it tbh... one less thing to keep track of on a short timer

[gusty mirage]

Was a clean interaction

[spice spire]

it being too powerful makes sense though

in the end, er still got gibbed

[thorn fjord]

You could still pull it off no? is it that much of a dps loss to ER rupture THEN Tea/Shiv?

[gusty mirage]

It is what it is

[spice spire]

nop we do bad dam, me

[thorn fjord]

@spice spire you saw that it took me till the day RC got nerfed to realize you consume the blue CP points in any order

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

I had been consuming from 5 to 1 in that order 🤣🤣

[spice spire]

[thorn fjord]

Was making it work too but def making my life harder for absolutely no reason

[spice spire]

mister dieslow

[blissful crown]

Do we use valor on a ring like this as sin?

[thorn fjord]

I wouldnt

[blissful crown]

And why is that? saving for something else?

Just curious cause i dno whats smart to spend it on and whats not.

[thorn fjord]

Yeah I’d save for trinket or weapon or another bis item you might get

[cerulean nest]

no tier has made my parses absolutely plummet this week

[devout prism]

valor is super limited, and since you can get up to 405s from dungeon drops, it would be better to save for upgrading stuff from that higher range

that being said, if you got like a 398 weapon, that might be worth upgrading a few levels if you don't have a good crafted one, just to help get you to point where you can run those higher dungeons

or you could hope to get a good vault item that's high ilvl to then spend valor on to get to 13/13

[abstract holly]

Do we take deadly or instant with amplyfing

[violet jackal]

#assassination-faq

[arctic bobcat]

Deadly

Deadly does the same instant dmg as instant plus a dot, as it says in the faq

Question, does assassination have any issues with overcapping cp like outlaw does?

Like should I be envenoming at 5cp instead of 6 so I don't waste mutilate or ambush cp?

[blissful crown]

Thanks @devout prism

[strange python]

!opener

[feral mason]

Is it normal to have tea on cd when you are doing rotation on single target dummy? Feels like I never have any energy to cast stuff

[drifting light]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[weak kraken]

Depends on if your in a shiv window, if you have evenom up already, and current combo/energy economy.

Its not hugely punishing to go 5 over 6 in most scenarios, but it's just something you get a feel for.

[weak kraken]

Be careful to not get finisher happy outside big burst windows.
Pool energy before a shiv window, and consider when to use tea. Not just every time you're on low energy.

[feral mason]

oh alright

and by shiv windows you mean when you have both dots up and can shiv once? or is that with deathmark and everything

[arctic bobcat]

Sorry but could you elaborate on those situations and how they apply to 5 or 6 cp?

[gusty mirage]

no point in weapon with the crafted

weapons are an expensive valor dump

save it for rings/trinkets

[vernal plinth]

Morning guys, for pve aoe when IC is on cooldown, I assume you're still opening with 3 garrotes. After SND/rupture on target are you looking to apply rupture to surrounding targets as well or focusing on ST and using fan/crimson tempest for aoe dmg?

Also are you using tricks of the trade before opener/on cooldown?

[thorny pond]

I ToT on pulls

keep garrote up and then on CD, maintain CT, spread ruptures if targets have a long TTL and/or use KB to target down prio mob

[limber lion]

So you would want to make sure to have extra combo points after every pull so you can use Slice and Dice before you pull the pack. So you would only have to apply Slice once in the very first pack but after that you would only cast it between packs.

After that you either focus on AoE or prio damage, depending on what your team needs or what kind of mobs the pack has. You want to apply Rupture to 3-4 targets always but what you do after depends on the comp/pack.

[midnight vortex]

Just use on double ring and then wrist imo

[limber lion]

Tricks before pulling and potentially when the tank chainpulls stuff

[slender sandal]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[weak horizon]

Is there a good rule of thumb on ttl and when I should spread ruptures? Or is the rupture spread worth it regardless due to energy?

[eager solstice]

What’s everyone’s talents of choice for this week in m+

[thorn fjord]

Ho build 😛

[weak horizon]

I've been running IC because it just feels too good in AOE and kb is just more fun

I am finding dtb boring

[thorn fjord]

it is but DTB is nice for prog

[sick monolith]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[weak kraken]

IC for certain dungeons due to burst aoe+silence.

Outside of that, dtb for single target on Tyrannical week. Rarely feel like the group needs more aoe vs prio damage.

[vernal plinth]

Alright cool, appreciate it!

[vernal plinth]

Do you use a macro for tricks?

[thorny pond]

there is an auto tricks/MD Weak Aura on Wago

https://wago.io/8xGN251mS

use the" -with key down on spells" macro

[thorn fjord]

Am I the only one just using a focus macro for tricks?

[sick monolith]

yes

[thorn fjord]

Seems easier… just set tank to focus at the start of dungeon and then just use tricks macro rest of the instance

[odd dew]

Who is a good Assassination rogue to watch for PVE content?

[thorn fjord]

🤷‍♂️

[pure moth]

I can't get any macro to work. Im doing it old school. Target tank, hit ability. Done

[cerulean nest]

can someone take a look at this? first kill and I had to do a couple mechanics but overall feel like what I was doing was totally fine. surprised by the blue parse. I dont have tier or lariat, so I just wanted to know how much of this is gear-gimping and how much is my actual play

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ptGBYa8yR49N73zV#fight=25&type=damage-done&source=3

[potent dust]

Hello, anyone here focusing on versatility/leech build?

[thorny pond]

You high greeding leech?

[crude parcel]

question for KB & Carnage builds, is it better to take Lightweight Shiv or Doomblade? or is it just playstyle preference?

[rigid vessel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[marble hemlock]

dobule shiv likely gonna have bigger value

even in non-raging weeks

[crude parcel]

yeah, kinda what i was thinking, but im new to assn so i wasnt sure how often id be using mutilate for cp generating

[limber lion]

That's a weird comparison. In this case you'd always take Double Shiv

You pretty much never want Doomblade for anything honestly, it's just a travel node to get to SBS.

But if you were to compare Lightweight Shiv to something like Improved Poisons, then it's a bit different

[crude parcel]

makes sense, like i said im new, so ive been sitting at the target dummy for about an hour trying different things out

thx for the info!

[twilit lagoon]

I use clique for tricks. I just click the tank in party frames and it casts on them.

[novel arrow]

Ez world first

We had representation !

Whoohooo !

[twilit lagoon]

What's the synergy between kingsbane and deathmark? I see the guides saying to make the best use of kingsbane during deathmark windows but I don't see a connection in the ability descriptions.

[grim jay]

where do you guys use BL in halls this week? 😄

[midnight atlas]

more dots, more ticks, more energy, more poison procs for kingsbane to increase its dmg

[twilit lagoon]

Does deathmark duplicate kingsbane as well?

[royal lantern]

LMAO

ofc not

[sand elm]

1st boss and skovald

[runic hinge]

Be a lot cooler if it did

[prisma cypress]

i think the main thing is all the extra poison procs during deathmark cause the kingsbane effect to ramp up much faster

[twilit lagoon]

Ohhhhhh

I think I get it

[agile geode]

GG ECHO

[thorn fjord]

Blizz nerfed her again in between pulls and they killed it like a pull or two after

Sucks

Wanted limit to win it

[sand elm]

it was a close race for the most part

[pseudo stratus]

so question for yall... is there a way to make a macro in game so that your mutilate will auto swap to ambush if your blindside proc is up? just to save room on my hotbar?

[thorn fjord]

Negative

[pseudo stratus]

okie... i figured

[steel sorrel]

Whispyr have talked about an addon but said its buggy sometimes so its better to use a macro with modifier or separate keybind ❤

[pseudo stratus]

ok cool.. thank you 🙂

[heavy vessel]

I use alt modifier. 1 is mut, alt1 is ambush. Sure you have to use your eyes to see that you have the proc and your brain to trigger alt but is pretty reliable.

[tame pelican]

Blizz nerfed her again in between pulls and they killed it like a pull or two after
@thorn fjord What has been nerfed ?

[thorn fjord]

Last phase

[tame pelican]

Dmg wise?

[thorn fjord]

It extended enrage by about a minute

[tame pelican]

Oh I see

[cerulean nest]

can anyone take a look?

[signal pier]

last phase, abilities got pushed forward by 5 seconds and the storm closes in slower

[midnight vortex]

Looks mostly like a gear diff altough your rupture and garrote seems to be quite low

but would say you're just gear gimped and no set

[peak bobcat]

https://twitter.com/perfectowow/status/1606345404500660224?s=46&t=lMl7ySC_nOn9xLw5q3Ay7A

Perfecto (@PerfectoWoW)

I EXSANGED MY DEATHMARK ON KILL GGS

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Twitter · Dec 23, 2022, 5:46 PM

[cerulean nest]

pretty sure thats mostly phasing/getting to adds during intermission plus the fire mechanic I had to leave once for

but yeah

[stark gyro]

I do that often on my normal runs, does that mean i'm pro?

[copper hazel]

[glacial crypt]

@balmy condor thank you for the optimization help captain! Moved PI to me, WFT in and we pumped much harder tonight. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1JNng298LbxwBF3v#fight=9&type=damage-done

[devout prism]

imagine being that 2nd rogue though

[urban pasture]

What decides your parse?

[glacial crypt]

Even after the splits, he didn't get 4set ):

[devout prism]

yeah I know that pain of being the lesser geared assassination rogue lol

[urban pasture]

What made the other rogue parse 95 and the other 28

[thorny pond]

damage

[devout prism]

gear and maybe rotational mistakes if any

[thorny pond]

it's based on how much you do relative to all the others of the same spec

[urban pasture]

Ahh

[devout prism]

also it's a sliding scale, like the 95 looks great and is definitely impressive, but you can see the difference between the two is around 10k, someone who is like 97 could potentially be even 10k above the 95 and it can get crazier at the very top

[cerulean nest]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[devout prism]

but you then get into stuff like pull RNG, external buffs, etc

[thorny pond]

Most rogues over 90 are looking relatively the same. Comes down to gear, externals, fight timing and if your raid makes you do mechanics

[urban pasture]

So I was in a raid on normal and parsed a like 45 and the other rogue parsed 24. What’s with that Ik I’m prolly ass but I assume my rotation was out of wack and shit

[thorny pond]

post your logs

[urban pasture]

I have to find it one sec

[thorn fjord]

I havent been parsing to well either

[thorny pond]

what is tier

[thorn fjord]

Got a few 97-98 here and there

But all my heroic parses are blue outside of one

But only 2p

[turbid burrow]

Hey guys! Does anyone know if we are able to get 4 abilities in our Elaborate Planning window? On paper we should since EP is 4 seconds and our GCD is 1 sec, but in practice I'm wondering if there is any delay preventing this

[thorny pond]

don't play around EP

[turbid burrow]

Isn't a 8% dmg buff on envenom a big deal?

[urban pasture]

Lmao nvm my parse was 25 and the others is 5

🤣

[thorny pond]

it comps your finisher cast with the buff

[urban pasture]

I’m also returning for a break since legion

[thorny pond]

so the finisher that procs EP, also benefits

[urban pasture]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/g1yr6zLhVfQtkFjp/

[turbid burrow]

Wow really

[urban pasture]

I was also using outlaw I think

[turbid burrow]

Thats good to know

[urban pasture]

But this run I did was with a casual guide that I recently joined but shit I’m ass

I’m speedy

[thorn fjord]

long ass break

[urban pasture]

Ikr

I got tired of the game a bit ago coming back and I could assume I was already gunna be ass

[thorn fjord]

Luckily if you want something similar to Legion sin DTB spec plays very similarly

[urban pasture]

Mythics I stick around a good 40k dps

[thorn fjord]

Env bombs

[urban pasture]

Someone criticize my run with a 25 outlaw and 5 ass

[blissful oriole]

im trying to learn Assa to play in raids, been playing outlaw so far and i'm thinking about playing assa in tyrannical weeks in m+, does anyone have any exp with it or is it not worth it?

[devout prism]

Assassination is great in raid, however I'd say that in M+ other specs are more desirable because in order to not do terrible damage on pulls between bosses you have to talent into AoE stuff, which reduces the effectiveness of your ST damage which is the whole reason you'd be running it in the first place

so overall it'd be a net loss because all the trash inbetween bosses would take longer for your whole group

[blissful oriole]

i see

[devout prism]

but personally I've only played outlaw and sub in M+ so can't personally say whether assassination in M+ would be that bad

[trim zinc]

we dont do terrible dmg in aoe lol

and sin we have an aoe silence its op af

[blissful oriole]

but then if i'm willing to do m+ as outlaw and spec into sub/assa in raids (which is dps gain on most bosses) i'd have to get decent pair of daggers and decent pair of one-hand weps

[devout prism]

I said without having to gimp your ST dmg

[trim zinc]

with ickb u dont

[ruby lotus]

You still do great ST

is it better overall then Sub or Outlaw, no. But its not unplayable either

still do 60k dungeon overall in 12s in 380 gear

[vestal wren]

outlaw works well in raids too

[devout prism]

you don't need to have a pair of one hand weapons since you can use a dagger in your offhand as outlaw

!oh

[prisma monolith]

Mutilate requires a dagger in both hands, this makes using a non dagger weapons undesirable.

[devout prism]

lol that's a different answer in outlaw channel

[vestal wren]

yes

[devout prism]

[blissful oriole]

haha

[vestal wren]

it is channel specific

[devout prism]

yeah I forgot where I was!

[vestal wren]

it has different outputs in all 3 channels

[blissful oriole]

well ok i think for now i'Ll stick to learning outlaw in m+ and try assa in raids ty for answers

[devout prism]

either way, you get more instant poison but it's like a 0.1% gain, just more quality of life so that you don't need to farm 2 one-handers

on outlaw

[lusty surge]

Sin has felt amazing to me in m+

IC is the truth

[blissful oriole]

wait is it a gain with dagger offhand?

[lusty surge]

And kb exsang is plenty of st for bosses

[blissful oriole]

i thought its a .5% loss minimum

[devout prism]

for outlaw it's a gain, but super tiny

[blissful oriole]

dps gain but cant xmog 2 onehands so annoying

[devout prism]

bruh that is the one thing that bothers me the most about being outlaw

[thorny pond]

xmog MH to legion artifact

[valid whale]

You guys run Assa in m+ or just stick to outlaw/sub?

[indigo mulch]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[dull crypt]

I run assa but tanks arent always too happy about it

[outer cairn]

Yeah. We were doing everything right, but those mechanics after all the eggs were just getting us. All in all, we’re pretty happy with being 6/8 HC after two weeks. Quick normal clear on Tuesday to get some more ppl 2p and then back into heroic.

[thorn fjord]

Tank that was on Brood kept getting rocked with here around 15%

Keep getting overwhelmed

Gonna try pugging it tonight

[vestal wren]

it is similar with subtlety

outlaw is basically the go to, and i think that is reasonable given that outlaw isn't bad anywhere

[glacial crypt]

Safest bet for m+ is definitely outlaw. When I've pushed, I've never considered going anything else for more ST / AOE with the exception of Season 2 SL, when Sub was incredibly powerful

[thorn fjord]

them S3 sub keys hit differently tho

[glacial crypt]

I didn't push in season 3 but yes, it was also strong there 😄

[thorny pond]

BP Spam hits different than BF

[thorn fjord]

I just liked the interaction between ST BP and Flag lol

[dull crypt]

Yeah once I get to key levels that kinda require outlaw I'll just have to make the change, but doing pretty tame levels now

[thorny pond]

Tornado BP and then ST is 👌

[cerulean nest]

gems for non-neck slots?

primary-mastery?

[thorny pond]

sim yoself

Generally want the one primary+crit though

[glacial crypt]

Generally it seems primary / crit then crit / mastery gems

but sim yourself to make sure

[cerulean nest]

kk ty

[novel veldt]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[oblique jackal]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[gleaming geyser]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[strange python]

Algethar tree boss.

There's definite outlaw bias tho. Took awhile to convince people sub cranks

[vestal wren]

subtelty is good

but subtlety still has rly bad two target cleave

this is basically the issue

i personally like to say it does not matter overall

but dungeons and raids have this specific setup fairly frequently

being behind noticable on 2 targets is rly bad

when other classes/specs are more well rounded

it is a old issue of wow, basically specs that do everything well are usually in general better

and if you lack somewhere you want to have this in a situation that rarely happens

[nocturne current]

Bet nobody complains about Sub burst damage tho.

[vestal wren]

why would we complain

in fact

[exotic parcel]

Ok guys so this is the opener we use currently (i use my trink before Exsanguinate). We use ER Off cd and keep all shiv charges for kingsbane. I refresh Rupture / garrote a couple sec early sometimes. Even with doing this i feel like some of my logs aren't that good. Anything i might be doing wrong?

[vestal wren]

lets just look at the "burst damage"

i need to wait for the next pull on the limit stream to show you how insane sub rogue burst is

[earnest imp]

What would you guys say is the reason to pick assa over outlaw and sub in m+ other then iron wire and enjoying the spec more?

As in strengths

[reef frigate]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[vestal wren]

hard to say, assassination does suffer on big pulls

what is the biggest issue

[earnest imp]

then again doesnt outlaw have the same thing?

its still considered the fotm choice

[vestal wren]

wdym?

[earnest imp]

Outlaw being capped at 8 targets that is

[vestal wren]

i don't follow exactly, outlaw rly only suffers in insanely big pulls

how much pulls do you do that are 8+ mobs for more than a very short amount of time

[thorn fjord]

Thought the BR buff helped with that

Being that it can proc MG and it’s uncapped

[vestal wren]

i think people overestimate the amount of super high target pulls in the dungeon

[earnest imp]

I felt assasination being quite strong in these higher amount pulls but yeah

Yeah your right, not a lot of more then 8 tagets

But then again i havent done 20´s on fortified

[tepid burrow]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[vestal wren]

there we go, the insane burst

#13 on the damage meter, def. justifies a complain

[oak sky]

I mean in uncapped pulls in literally only algethar academy sub looks very good no?

For burst

[thorn fjord]

13 on meter at 92k lol so wild

[vestal wren]

its the opener

but it is the highest burst phase of the fight

[oak sky]

Arcane gets double lust

[vestal wren]

because everyone has all cooldowns up

[devout prism]

what fight is that?

[vestal wren]

raz mythic

[devout prism]

mmm ty

[vestal wren]

subtlety has frequent burst, thats it, but also the immidiat burst is not the highest

[strange python]

Arcane mage omega

[vestal wren]

so whle i agree that secret does good damage, it is nothing compared to cooldowns with longer duration

[thorn fjord]

I’m gonna try running sub next week

Should be fun

[strange python]

Hardest part of sub is the brainfuckery of not repeating builders even if you low-ball the gloomblade

ASAP ramping DM

[devout prism]

any idea of how the two assassination rogues in echo's kill looked like, I know one of them tweeted that they accidentally exsang'd a deathmark

[strange python]

Not casting a second SS at 5/7 goes against every instinct

[storm zinc]

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[teal bloom]

@devout prism do you mean their talents? They both played the kingsbane build from #assassination-faq

[devout prism]

thank you, I was more asking about their output but fuu linked a pic of it in another channel- good to know they went with that build though, guessing for the execute

[balmy condor]

The pic fuu linked was just p3 damage btw

They seemed to play exsang kb for the shield damage more than any execute

But I’m sure the execute was welcomed too

[oak sky]

I would imagine by the time we get there its gonna be an execute lust, not sure how much more value kb/exsang will have compared to dtb

[weak horizon]

Wish we could get a hold of some logs for these rwf pulls now that the race is done.

[vestal wren]

didn't post it in this channel, but in #subtlety

[balmy condor]

Ya I know

[ashen rover]

Hello ! I've been comparing my logs with better assa rogues on some raid boss fights and ive noticed that people were casting echoing reprimend after deathmark and i noticed that in the rotation guide given here its the same. is there a specific reason for that ?, cause i always try to cast it as soon as i can so im wondering if im doing a mistake here

[devout prism]

envenom grows your dots, so you want to use ER after so that you're pumping up the stuff you applied before deathmark

amp poison specifically

[ashen rover]

ohhhh i see

thanks, i will try to cast it after :)

[empty timber]

Hi guys, the KB build sims higher than DTB and yet on Wlogs I see that everyone at the top has used the DTB build (is it because the DTB build is "easier" to play in real situation ? Maybe it's easier to sustain DPS after light/heavy movement without having to think about Exsangue & KB ?)

[thorn fjord]

Easier for prog and learning of the fights

Some people just prefer it

[sonic schooner]

i mean, even if ktb does more dmg than kb exsang, usually at this level the execute phase is always the hardest part of the fight. Makes sense to play it. That s also why warriors were always liked in prog

[oak sky]

Dtb was simming higher for a lot of profiles, especially before the nerfs

[thorn fjord]

Yeah that too

It sims higher for me too but only by like .2%

[empty timber]

Ok so even if the KB build gives you more control when burst is needed, you'd recommend DTB for players that don't wanna bother with too many cooldown ? (last time I played assa it was during Sanctum and was pleased by the low maintenance needed)

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

[sonic schooner]

KTB is easier, it s way more passiv

More like a dampening build

[empty timber]

Nice thanks for the tips

[thorn fjord]

Good luck

[balmy condor]

This isn’t really how execute works

You can’t just go “well last phase hardest therefore execute”

[limber lion]

Just do more damage during the easy parts of the fight

[balmy condor]

The only way execute matters is if you have a phase that starts at a certain % that is more difficult than the rest

[limber lion]

More damage during easy parts = less time spent during hard part of fight = less need for execute

[balmy condor]

That’s like denathrius

Raszageth is often seen as the execute boss

[jaunty crystal]

DTB is about 1k ahead for me too.

[balmy condor]

But all of Raszageths phases are timed

By doing more overall, you actually reduce the time spent in that difficult phase

Plus you can get to that phase more reliably in the first place

Execute is good

But only if you get why

If you’re just “last 35% hard me execute”

That’s clown shit

[sonic schooner]

Nah, my point was just last % of a fight is usually harder because of the lack of CD's / healers mana. I wasnt even pointing at enrages

[balmy condor]

yeah I know

I'm saying that's bad logic

[oak sky]

Well no like if the health doesnt phase based on percent then you enter the phase at lower hp

Which makes the boss die quicker

Though i think at a certain point you can get a %phase maybe its like 35%

But nobody has the damage for that yet

[balmy condor]

yeah there's fallback phase conditions if people giga blast

but at that point if they're giga blasting you don't need the execute anymore

:P

[sonic schooner]

Kinda out of context quuestion : Does atrophic and Devo aura stack up?

[oak sky]

They do different things

Devo is flat dr and atrophic is dr on abilities that come from the boss but not the environment

So they do stack afaik

[sonic schooner]

One reduce dmg done, one reduce dmg taken, yea i see that

[weak horizon]

Why did echo choose to take sin kb rogues instead of sub then? Wouldn't sub or even dtb sin have been better?

[balmy condor]

kingsbane bursts shields, counter question, why did liquid choose to take 2 sub rogues instead of sin kb rogues then?

[weak horizon]

Gotcha, I thought they took them for the execute damage but rather they took them for the shield burst

[balmy condor]

yeh

ras is fake execute

everything on a timer

just do more damage

doesn't help that people are linking p3 log screenshots

[weak horizon]

Right, makes sense.

[balmy condor]

and pogging out

[weak horizon]

Lol

[balmy condor]

ASSA SO HIGH LOOK AT THE DAMAGE HOLY POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

and then for the rest of the fight they're probably like

middle of the pack

[weak horizon]

Lol, I saw exile complaining about how sin was basically tank level during intermission

[limber lion]

tank level? must be the grieftorch carrying there then

[balmy condor]

I specced into CT for heroic prog

and we wiped to shields in p3

I checked damage

top damage source, CT

exclusively in p2

[limber lion]

[toxic ocean]

:KEKL:

[weak horizon]

#assassination message

Exiles post ^

Any reason why these rwf guilds don't make their logs public after they clear?

[balmy condor]

because they don't care

[strange python]

Fight was Lowkey challenging on heroic

Took us 35 or so

[balmy condor]

frankly there's nothing you can really learn from their logs either

I know it sounds like some hidden tech

but they just play good

if you want to see strats you can just open the vod

[strange python]

Rae Lowkey slamming every fight so far

[balmy condor]

rae good player

[gusty mirage]

rae smells like poop

confirm? @shy dust

[strange python]

Using his log to try to get PI but priest getting DK cries

[balmy condor]

rae was screaming about getting PI

dirty external user

a blemish on his logs

on god

[strange python]

Truth

[balmy condor]

also if rogues are getting PI'd your guild is fucking stupid

[gusty mirage]

woah woah woah

excuse you?

[gray hazel]

I can never remember, if i thistle tea after i apply garrote rup/dm, the mastery still gets applied to the bleeds already right?

[balmy condor]

yes

[strange python]

Christ almighty I feel like the only rogue on kurog without 418 wep

[gray hazel]

thanks!

[strange python]

Or a trinket above 389

[gusty mirage]

whispyr's RL has them dropping the static shocks on a completely dif platform

and calling other people's guilds stupid

[copper hazel]

[gusty mirage]

melee uptime down catastrophically

[balmy condor]

I don't make the strats

[gusty mirage]

put me in a call with omni

he's griefing my boy

and I DON"T LIKE IT

[balmy condor]

the only one griefing your boy is father time

[gusty mirage]

[strange python]

We gave council trinket and eranog ring to a DH. Then the DH quit.

[swift dagger]

[keen viper]

Which items to craft with spark to 405?

[balmy condor]

ITS A FUCKING FRIDAY AFTERNOON, WE RAIDED TUES AND WEDS AND THURS

[strange python]

Weapon and neck

[balmy condor]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

how the fuck

if each key is 30 min with no queue time or anything

that's 10 hours of keys

[strange python]

I've done 30 this week lol. But like 15 of them are low courts.

[balmy condor]

and 9 hours of raid

[gusty mirage]

he's french canadian and plays shadow priest

you think he goes outside?

[balmy condor]

that's 19 hours of gaming, in about 3 days

I wish I had that kind of time

good fucking god

[gusty mirage]

soon

[balmy condor]

HE PLAYS AN ALT

HOW

[gusty mirage]

I make a fat profit soon

and I sugar daddy you

[night delta]

that sounds like a "soul sold to the devil" type of situation

[strange python]

True tech - sell 4 stacks of court and ring funnels

[gusty mirage]

he won't let me quit wow

who's really the devil here

[weak horizon]

Why no pi rogue?

[strange python]

Small value

[weak horizon]

PI me and I exsang

[strange python]

Obviously every group is different, but is it recommended that we sit on boss in raid if it's below 35% due to zoldyck?

So much better on most other classes.

Though im curious what the value is in exsang. Not sure if whispyr ran those sims

[shy dust]

WOAH

its hilarious you said this

when im currently specced outlaw

[shy dust]

bro?

[strange python]

Kurog?

I'm resisting the kurog outlaw ask ATM

Or did yal go dathea

[gusty mirage]

smh

who should I send angry DMs to

[shy dust]

MY GM

[shy dust]

we went kurog

[strange python]

Same

Really trying to force sin on it

[cerulean nest]

kb simming like 500 above dtb, that pretty standard?

[strange python]

But outlaw cranking

[shy dust]

BRO

it was my guild

I was trying to find out who it was best for

and they didnt want PI

[strange python]

Our DK bitches for it 😦

[sonic schooner]

I made jealous on my guild because i dont ask for anything and yet i got pi and pala fae

[grim tangle]

it's actually insane on unholy, why would he even need to bitch for it, it should go to him automatically

[strange python]

Summer actually giga

I haven't seen Sims on who gets the most value from summer yet though

[sonic schooner]

Summer is about 350k per use i think

could check logs

[strange python]

Because people who cry for pi are cringe

[grim tangle]

it's cringe that he needs to asks for it

[rotund olive]

heyo fellas -- getting a good feel for assa so far, but wondering what the approximate cutoff of remaining combat time is for when its beneficial to use envenom over rupture

guessing its different for 5 and 6 cp obviously but w/e

[valid whale]

I think rupture needs 11 sec right

If it won’t go that long then don’t refresh

[strange python]

Yes but you can also use an expiring rupture for a big energy boost in multi target

It's a lot of "it depends"

[empty hinge]

if it makes u feel better last reset i had 61 keys done

[strange python]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[thorn fjord]

Does the shell trinket work with raid ring?

[golden kindle]

hey guys, im kinda new to asassin rouge and ive been reading lots of stuff so far. i also read DO NOT EXSANGUINATE DURING DEATHMARK, but when i Deathmark first and press exsang after, i am fine?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[thorn fjord]

You would be doing what it says not to do

Exsang before dm

[dull crypt]

yeah exsanguinate always comes before deathmark, you dont want to half the deathmark effect

[golden kindle]

oh yea, swapped these two, mb, ok thanks guys

[subtle tundra]

I got horde socks for Christmas best present I have ever gotten

Troll goes hard

[strange python]

how can i sim tier sets pieces and bonuses on raidbots
ive tried to do a droptimiser but its not takin into account the set bonusses

[slim hamlet]

droptimizer def should

As long as you are on 1 or 3 set equipped

[thorn fjord]

Pics or it didn’t happen

[rocky ruin]

in raid its worth to save exsanguinate for deathmark right?

so u go exasng + death mark, 2 mins later deathmark, 2 mins later exsang + deathmark?

[rotund olive]

thanks for the rule of thumb 👍

[outer cairn]

No i don't believe you hold it if it would cause you to lose a cast. so for example, the fight only lasts 5 mins and 30 seconds. Your third DM won't come off on CD until the 6 min mark and you've been holding your second exsang since the 3 min mark and then not cast it. So you'd lose a cast of Exsang in that situation. Even still, if the fight is longer than 6 mins, both DM and Exsang would naturally line back up at the 6 min mark since you'd ER, rupture, Exsang at the 3 min mark, DM at the 4, then they line back up at 6.

[dull crypt]

i guess you can hold your second death mark for exsang in a 3m30-4 minute fight

but thats v specific

[rocky ruin]

when i think about it, they dont really interact at all, cause u dont want to deathmark before exsanguinate

i think im right on the non interaction ^?

[outer cairn]

the exsang'd bleeds are copied though by DM

I think

but yes, you don't DM before Exsang, or your DM will be cut in half

[rocky ruin]

does it copy the bleeds with the 80% speed? or no

cause when u use exsanguiante it makes them tick down basically twice a second right?

[balmy condor]

you can, yes

[balmy condor]

it does

[rocky ruin]

so its worth to save exsanguinate for the deathmark?

[balmy condor]

not really

but it's something you can do depending on the timer

or if there's a mechanic

[rocky ruin]

ok this exsanguinate is confusing me, it says it makes them tick 80% faster, but it cuts their duration in half, but it doesnt seem to do the damage thats supposed to happen in that missing time, how does it work?

[balmy condor]

it makes them tick 80% faster, and also reduces their duration accordingly

it's the same damage in less time

[rocky ruin]

so it ticks the same amount of times in a shorter durationZ?

[balmy condor]

yes

[dull crypt]

it basically doubles your energy regen and gets you to put new dots faster

[balmy condor]

if it did 10 ticks in 10 seconds before you hit exsang

now it's 10 ticks in 6 seconds

[true lark]

question if i want to assign a single button to ambush for the purpose of systemtic failure, anyone know how to set this up

[rocky ruin]

ok so in general just pop the cooldowns on cooldown

[outer cairn]

billy mays here with another fantastic product. its called exsanguinate

[rocky ruin]

1 thing, whats the minimum combo points u want to cast spells with in general, 5? ignoring anima charged points

[outer cairn]

-1 from max

[balmy condor]

do you mean blindside? There is a way to bind ambush and mutilate to the same key, but it requires a third party addon to make a custom macro and it's not really recommended

[outer cairn]

so 6 if it lands or at 5

[rocky ruin]

alr ty

[balmy condor]

Best advice is to just bind ambush to its own key

[true lark]

whispyr: sort of right now i have a macro that is ambush/envenom, the problem is my bar switches over from "stealth" to "non stealth" yet ambush is available. id like to avoid having two seperate buttons for ambush

[outer cairn]

but, say you land on 5, but garrote hits pandemic, you could refresh and push to 6 then envenom

[rocky ruin]

pandemic window is around 30% ye?

[outer cairn]

just have to be cognizant of whats going on

[dull crypt]

5.4 seconds i believe

[outer cairn]

I think most WAs now the timers will glow/flash when they are in pandemic

[rocky ruin]

im using rogue Devlin

UI WA

[true lark]

my old bar mod used to handle it but ive cleaned up my add ons wow runs much beter so need a new option

[rocky ruin]

i often just refresh normal garrotes for the sake of getting that 6th combo point, is that not worth?

[balmy condor]

Uh…… this confused me even more honestly. Why would you have an ambush/envenom macro? Can’t you just put ambush on a key that’s mutual between stealth and non-stealth, and envenom on a mutual key? That way you have one button for ambush

[outer cairn]

i have mut on 1, ambush on shift 1

[rocky ruin]

obviously not replacing stealthed garrotes

[outer cairn]

meant as an example you can encounter where you could either finish at 5 or refresh to 6 and then finish for a bigger envenom. its just being mindful of what's going on and where you could potentially squeeze a little bit more. its not going to kill your damage if you don't do things like that

but also, is envenom going to drop off if you don't finish at 5 and waste the gcd on garrote

[sharp onyx]

I have Mut on Q and Stealth Ambush on Q. But out of stealth Ambust is Alt+Q for when Blind is proc’d. I wish I could have an add on that switches Mutand Ambush whenever Blindside is proc’d but it is what it is.

[balmy condor]

!bs

[prisma monolith]

Ambush/Mutilate Macro:
This should be seen as a "lazy" option, and is not recommended. It can be hard to control and requires a third-party macro addon to expand the games base functionality. We recommend ALWAYS keybinding ambush (either with a modifier, or an entirely different key)
You can macro Ambush to Mutilate using a advanced macro addon.
Further Explanation/Details:
#assassination message

[balmy condor]

This exists

It’s fucking awful

[outer cairn]

y'all got some weird keybinds. i try to keep things simple

[rocky ruin]

u could just get a WA that lights up ur screen when blindside procs and clicky clicky da button

[outer cairn]

the default ui already does

and so does ambush

[rocky ruin]

ye

[sharp onyx]

League has been drilled into my mind for about 9 years. My UI looks as similar to league as possible

[sharp onyx]

Oh it glows so I do end up doing it. Just a lazy idiot 🙂

[small meteor]

I've found whenever my weird keybinds/habits are making things needlessly complicated, it's better to just do the simple option and get used to it

Doesn't take long to get used to a new keybind, especially when it's a simpler option than what you were trying before

[stark bronze]

are we pooling or spamming finishers btw?

[balmy condor]

pooling is by definition better

that's the entire concept

[outer cairn]

[small meteor]

Pooling has the word poo in it though...

So there are downsides

[slim hamlet]

Wait what is this with pooling

Thought that wasnt a thing anymore

[rocky ruin]

can i link logs and get help? i can only do like 45.5k dps and my sim is 52k

[outer cairn]

i don't think so, but i mean, if you're just going full ham and starving on energy and pop all 3 tea cds and then go dry again, you're kinda just stuck then

[outer cairn]

yeah just do !log and link it i think

[slim hamlet]

But what is the difference if you just wait with using spells

[stark bronze]

I mean i get how spamming could be better in a juicy dps window but besides that pooling just feels right idk

[slim hamlet]

Arent you losing just as many gcds by pooling?

[rocky ruin]

!log

[stark bronze]

i dont think gcd's carry the same value as for other classes without energy/cp system but that's just a gut feeling

[slim hamlet]

I don't fully understand what pooling is, how I know it is just waiting to use a gcd until you have a lot of energy, but I don't know benefits other than maybe getting another envenom into a shiv?

[outer cairn]

I think tea, based on what I sort of read in a log review, is best used during like right before shiv. go ham, starve, hit shiv, pop tea, and go more ham, then sort of just sit back a bit. least how i understood it

[true lark]

yeah the problem is that i get 3 seconds of ambush being ready to use, out of stealth, after leaving stealth, i want to open with garrote, then ambush with the buff from that talent

[slim hamlet]

Because there is very small amount of times throughout a fight where I have 0 energy, no tea, no blindside or anytthing

[outer cairn]

true, me either, but i have run into situations where I am starved and out of tea so sort of forced to play a little slower, but as you said, some things pop up which give me something to do anyways like blindside

[slim hamlet]

Yeah but I'm just trying to understand why you would pool

What is the benefit compared to just slamming

This is the first tier I've played energy class for real

[outer cairn]

remember that the sim is as if you do everything perfect and have basically almost perfect uptime

[slim hamlet]

So never really heard about it

[outer cairn]

i was never good at pooling back in SL

or understood it well

[rugged ruin]

Isn’t it so that you can line up CDs for when you have a bunch of energy? Like if you have a trinket or something

[slim hamlet]

I see you want to have energy ready for KB and maybe shiv

[outer cairn]

that. i think also mainly to ensure that you could mut, mut, envenom to keep uptime

[slim hamlet]

Is that just it?

[rocky ruin]

yea i know but im doing 7k less than sim which seems like I could improve

[stark bronze]

say you have like 5 sec of envenom left and you spend a full cp envenom of it, you refresh to max duration, which is like 10 seconds, so you gained 5 sec of envenom out of those 6 CP - now let'S say you wait (pool) until envenom uptime is down to 1 sec and you hit envenom THEN - you refresh up to 8 seconds, so you gained 7 sec of envenom out of those 6 cp instead of 5. it's just about getting max value from cp's

[outer cairn]

doesn't hurt to get one i'm sure

[stark bronze]

not sure about the exact numbers i used there it's simplified for explanation's sake

[slim hamlet]

Alright thank you, just havn't really recognized a time where this would have mattered

[stark bronze]

well, that's my question, too :D back in legion we did it like that, but i haven't played assa since early bfa so I was just asking if that's still a thing

[rocky ruin]

get one what?

[outer cairn]

a log review

[slim hamlet]

Ah alright

[rocky ruin]

yea i think i played that as best as I cold with my knowledge, so iwould be interested to see what I would need to change

[outer cairn]

i always thought pooling was more about maintaining uptime and/or ensuring you'd be able to build and finish instead of just spamming

[rocky ruin]

do u guys save shiv charges assuming its not going to cap for echoing reprimand

[outer cairn]

depends what build you play

[rocky ruin]

Dtb

[slim hamlet]

Think I do even without thinking about itt

[outer cairn]

shiv after DM, shiv when first expires, shiv on cd, save one for when DM is coming back up

[stark bronze]

that's pretty much the result yeah

[slim hamlet]

Helps hitting the animacharged points too

[stark bronze]

makes sense when energy/CP management matters, it just feels like we have energy/cp at will now, hence the question

[rocky ruin]

isnt it worth saving for anima charged envenoms?

[outer cairn]

I've only been popping tea if garrote is for some reason going to expire or can't refresh or right when i hit shiv so I can go ham in the window. other than that, I rarely need to worry

[outer cairn]

just shiv on cd

[pure spoke]

Yo, I'm trying to understand why my sub spec is so much higher than my sin

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7CDYURCwkZks3RebHgGzYh

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tVUJkv9g4S7T5dFZneqsfe

[slim hamlet]

Sub just sims higher than sin now right?

[outer cairn]

think sub pulls ahead with 4p

[slim hamlet]

But that seems like a lot

[pure spoke]

Yeah I feel like I'd rather play sin tbh but it's so far behind sub idk

[outer cairn]

well

are you good at sin or sub?

[slim hamlet]

outlaw

[outer cairn]

🤮

[pure spoke]

I think I'm better at sub but only because the sim has made me play it more xd

not like sin is hard tbh

[slim hamlet]

I should try sub

Have never actually done a raid fight as sub only m+

[outer cairn]

what i'm saying is, a lot of ppl will switch to what sims higher, but they aren't good at the spec or new to it, so you'll do less damage playing something unfamiliar than what you'd actually do playing the spec that simmed lower

[slim hamlet]

Factual

Simmed a lot higher on outlaw on dungeons slice

[pure spoke]

yeah i get you but nah ik what i'm doing mostly

[slim hamlet]

Tried it for 3 dungeons after checking new prio and stuff

Absolutely not even close to my sin m+ dmg

[outer cairn]

I hit the dummy with sub for a bit. the single dance thing just doesn't feel like sub to me and would take some practice to get that opener down and maximize dance. guide says dance>gb>evis>ss>cb/sectech>ss, but I was seeing JPC dance>ss>evis>ss>gb>sectech> and his danse macabre still had 4 stacks before he hit sectech

[tall remnant]

At this point is kingsbane or the dragon tempered blades better?

[slim hamlet]

after 2piece dtb

Most at least simmed higher with kb before 2 set

[tall remnant]

thank god, I don't like KB

[slim hamlet]

[outer cairn]

its not like its hard

[slim hamlet]

How dare you

[outer cairn]

its just more cds to line up and its fun to play and rewarding when you do it right

[tall remnant]

It isn't hard, just annoying imo

[outer cairn]

i mean

exsang on open and then every 3 mins after with most fights only lasting 5-6 mins

[slim hamlet]

Its annoying if your uptime sucks

[outer cairn]

so you hit it twice

[tall remnant]

my ability at sin is just ass

[slim hamlet]

Or not knowing fights well yet, worst feeling is using KB just to have to move 5 sec later because you forgott to check timer

[outer cairn]

i'm pretty sure my kb is still simming higher than dtb and i have 2p\

[slim hamlet]

damn

My kb was 2% higher then I got 2 piece and DTB was 3% ahead

[outer cairn]

its probably all the damn mastery. i'm at 30% crit and 42% mastery. It's just how I've gotten drops and stuff

[slim hamlet]

Same stats for me

Almost perfectly same

[outer cairn]

yeah. I think the difference in dps for me was ~1000 so it was like 1-2% diff

[slim hamlet]

Haste crit ring simmed 0.7% higher than crit mastery ring for me earlier

same ilvl

Was kinda weird how big of a difference

[oak sky]

Yeah when you start getting close to drs other stats get good value

And haste is still not bad for us

Just worse than it used to be

[outer cairn]

oh. i was wrong. dtb is now ~748 more dps than kb. so not a lot, but technically ahead

think i might play kb+ic with exsang though in keys the rest of the week though

[slim hamlet]

I've been playing exsang in tyran keys

Been working well

[rocky ruin]

so when I do ! log i just link logs and someone will come along sometime and help me with them?

[balmy condor]

That’s the idea

[rocky ruin]

coolio

[balmy condor]

There’s uh… quite a few active atm

But in theory should work like that

[rocky ruin]

yea i was looking at that

[keen viper]

Wht gems should i put on my Neck elemental lariat?

!neck

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1055055765980844093/image.png

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

I wish I could help buddy

Soon

[wooden perch]

is there a mutilate/ambush macro?

[brazen zodiac]

soon

[umbral rapids]

oh my god

16 here 16 in outlaw, 4 in sub

[true lark]

master assassin a must take?

[undone summit]

So should we go for every elemental stat proc ?

[true lark]

im interested as well the prob is ambush is up at times when stealth is not on

[balmy condor]

No

[tough saddle]

!fu

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[gusty mirage]

there is not

well there is, but it requires an addon that sometimes works

and is janky as fuck

[gusty mirage]

tag me if you need help

[spice spire]

Just wednesdays and Thursday’s

During raid

Outside of that

Chuckling

[oak sky]

Bro i keep missing these log reviews

I gotta get back in the action

[true rapids]

looking at some logs is it not worth it to hold dm for like 8-10 secs to lineup with vanish and just let it rip?

[balmy condor]

on paper, no

in an actual fight where you know for sure you're not missing a cast, sure

[lusty surge]

someone finally got the lariat design on my server jfc

[royal lantern]

dont need help, can i tag you anyway

[pseudo cloud]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1037333062083678268/1052364147913916436/ST-DT-Rota.png?width=810&height=284 when do i use box here

[balmy condor]

before deathmark

[pseudo cloud]

ty

[dark bridge]

do you use thistle tea with shiv during lust? Or only when you are low on energy?

[gilded seal]

I was reading the faq and wanted to know if I could get some clarification on what it means to not force envenom during shiv windows, sorry for the dumb question but it wasn’t obvious to me reading that

[balmy condor]

with deathmark if you're at 3 stacks to get it on cooldown, then for energy

[stable apex]

Do I try to get a max CP/anima cp rupture running when I'm about to press dm? Or does dm not change rotation/prio at all?

[balmy condor]

there's a huge misconception amongst the general community that shiv windows are purely meant for envenom burst window big damage huge! You'll hear people say like "you should get 3 envenoms during every shiv" for example, and that's simply not how we play around shiv. So instead of trying to force envenoms into the window, you should be aiming to use it on cooldown (at least with dragon tempered blades), in order to maximize uptime on the debuff, rather than trying to use it as a mini-burst window

[balmy condor]

doesn't change priority, rupture does the same amount of damage per tick regardless of combo point, it's just the duration that changes. Animacharges/deathmark/max cp all doesn't change how we play other than "finish with whatever". Always finish on 5/6 and keep your bleeds up and you're vibing

if you have rupture in pandemic and you land on an animacharge, cool, use a rupture

if it's not in pandemic, slam an envenom

nice

as long as you use the cp, you're good to go

[stable apex]

I see, and vanish i also use on CD, no lining? Vanish is just there to cheese mechanics or get a big garrote, correct?

[gilded seal]

Cool thanks. So we just maintain max uptime on the envenom but assuming nothing else can be refreshed yet?

[balmy condor]

mostly for big garrote, the cheese mechanic part is uh..... not advised

[balmy condor]

yeh

[stable apex]

Garrote makes sense. Why no cheese? It makes fenryr a patchwerk fight for example

Talking from outlaw standpoint now

I guess there I can be more liberate because cdr

[balmy condor]

I mean what do you need to vanish on fenryr

the pursuit?