assassination

[royal lantern]

whats the difference anyway

like, they made 200000fancy new words for enchants

[dark token]

they need a 1 time respec imo

people fucked up while learning this stuff

yeah so this right side basically useless

[viscid spear]

"Oh we don't want people speccing into a tree to get what they want from it and then dropping it for an actual longterm tree"

[polar cape]

No respec on prof is prob the biggest tragedy

[dark token]

whats the point of the epic crystal chest crafts

if the rep locked one is better and doesnt need epics

LMAO

[dusky wing]

Some of the profession talents sound useful but just aren't also. Its kind of a mess.

[dark token]

wtf is blizz thinking

[royal lantern]

we make a new system with a big potential to fuck stuff up

no way to re-skill at all btw

like

[viscid spear]

I do like the Mystic items
Been getting quite a few Epic since maxxing out the tree

[dark token]

yeah but you cant loot mobs in m+

i realized it will be totally fucking usleess in m+

[dusky wing]

I'm glad I didn't waste points in the improved alchemy experiments. I only have like two left to learn without it.

[dark token]

90 points into DE tree

[dark token]

yeah i wasted here too

completely dead tree once you unlock all phials

[slim hamlet]

DIdnt think about that

[viscid spear]

Maybe they'll drop from the end chest but doubtful

[dark token]

so basically fucked u p both my profs

tempted to level an alt and just go blacksmith/leatherworking to craft my own gear

but its behind in knowledge now

[dusky wing]

I put points into transmutes and ok maybe I save one reagent every so often. In the past transmute specialty could get you insane multiprocs. They need to buff some of the different trees imo.

[dark token]

you KNOW they wont rebalance prof trees much

because there is no respec

[viscid spear]

I'll feel good putting more points into the weapon side that's for sure.

[dark token]

and the outcry would be insane

[slim hamlet]

Just add a respec

Easy

[cloud moat]

If anything I could see them giving small buffs to shit that nobody chooses

[slim hamlet]

I dont think they will at all

I really dont think

[dusky wing]

Gathering profession trees seem fine though imo. At least herbalism does. More straightforward.

[slim hamlet]

And what does nobody choose, everything is useful?

[cloud moat]

Well

[royal lantern]

gathering has nothing to really fuck up

[cloud moat]

I THINK Alchemy had some node that was about crafting speed

[royal lantern]

except taking gathering speed lol

[cloud moat]

I could remember wrong tho

[royal lantern]

all crafters have speed

biggest troll shit ever

[rapid prism]

are people actually hitting their sims on the dummies....i sim at 51k but only get about 35-36 after 4 mins

[royal lantern]

the thing is like, some trees are SO ussules by default @slim hamlet

[dark token]

untick all raid buffs

[royal lantern]

like, oh, you went sharpening stones as blacksmith?

lmao expensive as hell to make, and NOBODY is using them

AND you cant get any skill ups

sucks to be you, enjoy having ~60BS forever and no real way to go up ❤️

[balmy condor]

Sim target dummy

Patchwerk has execute

You’ll never it hit

[slim hamlet]

Which

[royal lantern]

litearlly every single CRAFTING SPEED tree

like

why the fuck is CRAFTING SPEED a thing

[slim hamlet]

Huh

[royal lantern]

"let me spend 30knowledge to make this sword 1sec faster"

[slim hamlet]

is that a thing

[vast hound]

whats the best poisons to use?

[slim hamlet]

it aint a thing for JC and BS

and pretty sure enchanting and alch

havnt looked at those in a while tho

[slim hamlet]

amp if talented and deadly if not

[rapid prism]

lol thank GOD i thought i just became really bad at rogue all of a sudden

[reef frigate]

I leveled alchemy reagents first, but made some Gold selling r3 primal convergent.

[viscid spear]

Enchanting is mostly "save mats sometimes"

[slim hamlet]

Yeah all profs has resourcefulness

Not worth to take at the start prob but will be useful

also

It is like much better than expected, crafted something that had 40 gold khaz gorite ore yesterday and got to keep 22 of them

Pretty good

[viscid spear]

I mean there isn't much else to Enchanting besides the ability to save or salvage mats

[slim hamlet]

Nah prob not

I am going for full enchanting skill

To make tier 3

[viscid spear]

I like it very much, it's just the start of the expac and like what was said earlier we don't have a reliable source for epics to DE yet

[slim hamlet]

But a lot of enchants is locked behind knowledge, so you will spend quite some time there

I love profs

Just got this done for all recipes for JC and BS

[viscid spear]

Dumb walruses and their rep
Missing both enchants from them because I'm at 8

[thorn crater]

HOW

Are you that high

[viscid spear]

Work is really killing my ability to play

[thorn crater]

On all

[slim hamlet]

Got 10 on my rogue and then did everything again + some grinding on my alt

[rapid prism]

yea i dont understand how people have that high of a rep with iskaara. Im about the same with the other three, iskaara 11

[royal lantern]

isnt the agility enchant from them bad anyway

[viscid spear]

People took advantage of easy rep grinds before they were nerfed

[slim hamlet]

if you havnt you need to do loremaster

[viscid spear]

Guildie wanted the Regen enchant

[slim hamlet]

Tuskarr has like 5 extra renown just from side quests

[gusty mirage]

They get a friend to invite them to a dead server

If you show up to soup in a dead server you get more tasks

[viscid spear]

cries on Mal'ganis

[slim hamlet]

I just stand afk and get ~600 rep

[gusty mirage]

People shard hopping

[oblique jackal]

Anyone thats good wtih weakauras know how to setup the anima charged combo points?

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-kermit-darth-kermit-gif-25450285

[viscid spear]

Man Valdrakken was more THICC on weekly reset than Helen Parr

[balmy condor]

Each cp animacharge has its own spell id, you can check for those

[gray crest]

someone in our guild has a partner who dropped 10m gold on enchanting and turned it around and made 30m so far

[viscid spear]

I mean the phrase "gotta spend money to make money" applies heavily here but I don't have a cool 10mil to drop

[gusty mirage]

Wtf who

Breeze?

[oblique jackal]

Can i add to as a trigger to a pervious weakaura?

[gray crest]

Mr Lulu

[gusty mirage]

Oh, @strange python wtf is libby doing bro

[balmy condor]

Ye

[dark token]

for stuff like this i always copy paste like afenar's cp bar into my own WA

or luxthos etc

all the packs always have it right

[boreal stirrup]

How does the opener look for the DTB ST build in FaQ?

[gray crest]

I swapped enchanting and didnt drop a whole lot of money, but I can almost make r2 sophic after a day

[prisma creek]

where can I find what consumables to take for assa?

or use best judgement?

[dark token]

ambush, snd, garrote, er, rupture, SBS, deathmark, shiv, envenom

[gray crest]

both Whisper and Fuu have consumables on their spread sheets

[plain onyx]

Guys, sorry for the noob question, where exactly do I find these? AH ?

[gusty mirage]

Top one are bop drops, bottom two you can buy from the AH

Some aren’t out yet

Cuz the recipe drops from raid

[slim hamlet]

Embellish=AH
Infuse with power = Dungeons + raids
Secondary = AH

[viscid spear]

Yeah it's easy to go right for the things you want in the trees off the start, Enchanting gives you quite a lot of Knowledge points
I went all in on Insight for the Mystic items, when I should've went right for the weapon Devotions

[strange python]

https://gyazo.com/de2b69c76e4fe0cdcfea2a590fcd7eb5

So this is what Iam going for?

[boreal stirrup]

When do i vanish?

[dark token]

when your garrote is dropping off

you wanna pandemic it

[plain onyx]

Would you mind telling me which Embellishment and Secondary stats i should be going for if you dont mind ?

[plain onyx]

thanks man

[boreal stirrup]

@dark token ty

[dark token]

you wanna do something like

[fallen sandal]

how do we get primal infusion ?

[viscid spear]

How does one get Primal Infusions again?

[dark token]

vanish, ambush, garrote, envenom

not vanish garrote

[gusty mirage]

Crit mastery, bronze wrappings when they drop in raid this coming week, or the fangs until then (you can recraft the dagger for 5 mettle and 7 alloy to change it later)

[dark token]

or vanish ambush envenom garrote

[strange python]

you can craft it with mettle @viscid spear

[viscid spear]

What profs?

[strange python]

your own prof u have to craft it

[viscid spear]

Oh did I miss that recipe for Enchanting?

[slim hamlet]

You get recipe when learning ow to use it

[strange python]

This is a M+ Skilltree from Ravenholdt. Indiscriminate Carnage was not skilled, Why?

[royal lantern]

because it takes DtB

and you cant mix DtB with anything else

[strange python]

what is DtB?

[thorn crater]

down to blow

[grizzled jay]

[royal lantern]

its not the m+ tree btw, its 1 of the 2

[gusty mirage]

[grizzled jay]

you copied the 2nd ST build

not the M+ build

you must use your eyes young one when reading

[strange python]

xd

[viscid spear]

[thorn crater]

or

reroll DH those guys are blind anyway XD

[grizzled jay]

tru

or enh it slaps still

[strange python]

again no aoe skilled im confused.

[pure tide]

Ah you gotta select the outlaw build if you wanna do AOE

[subtle tundra]

no

[thorn crater]

or

again

go DH

[subtle tundra]

the sub build

[gusty mirage]

Weird advice considering sub does the best “AOE”

[strange python]

Outlaw and Sub are crap specs for me, assa is love

[viscid spear]

That's the 2nd M+ build
The one above that literally says "Carnage" in the title

[thorn crater]

DHs are combat rogues that gouged their eyes out

[gusty mirage]

Today I learned I was a DH in 9.0

[viscid spear]

I have no eyes and I must Beam

[strange python]

omegalul

[thorn crater]

u werent edgelord enough

[gusty mirage]

Hit so many grand melees in a row I gouged my eyes out

[royal lantern]

poison bomb is aoe

CT is aoe

you do bleeds against multiple peopel

[dark token]

why tf is there no crit mastery food

there is every combo of food except crit mastery

[gusty mirage]

Thousandbone Tongueslicer

[dark token]

ok that wasnt on wowhead

[gusty mirage]

Maybe it didn’t make it to live

[dark token]

i can see it live now

[gusty mirage]

Oh

Yeah ngl wowhead kinda dropped the ball

[dark token]

this one also looks quite good

personal agi

[gusty mirage]

Getting that recipe can be expensive if you have shit rng

Gotta just open fortune cards and hope you get it lol

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/fortune-cookie-rockos-modern-life-gif-13052297

[dark token]

realistically this is my m+ food

so ill just buy the cheapest one between filet of fangs/fated fortune cookie/thousandbone tongueslicer prob

looks like its filet

[vestal wren]

it is the best one

[vestal wren]

the recipe is not that expensive tbh

[gusty mirage]

Depends how expensive fortune cards are in your region

I had to open 30

[vestal wren]

you just buy the fortune card for 100g each if you can craft it yourself it is even cheaper

[gusty mirage]

That’s kinda pricey

[vestal wren]

30x100g is still only 3k gold

[dark token]

yeah that food is 200g each

filet is 107 crit for 14g

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vestal wren]

makes sense

200g is about the crafting cost if you spend 100g per card

(or slightly more)

[gusty mirage]

Fished up two of those in one day

Sold the patterns for 100k each

[vestal wren]

the fish stuff went for 70k+

so ye

[gusty mirage]

People were crazy af last week

[dark token]

wtf

[vestal wren]

compared to 6k

[barren lintel]

which ilvl can we craft right now for weapons?

[dark token]

this is why i sell all mats and patterns week 1

im sure if i was a super goblin minmaxing you can profit

[gusty mirage]

396 until you get a primal infusion

[dark token]

but that aint me

[ashen anchor]

isn't it 392 right now?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah 392 mb, I’m still laying in bed

[viscid spear]

More like lying in bed

[gusty mirage]

Shut up

[strange python]

Hes a gold harvester

[gusty mirage]

My god

30 mil

[median mango]

Do we have a solid idea which trinkets are best? I've collected like 13 of them and I am too lazy to sim.

oh wait prob whispyr sheet, right? silly me

[gusty mirage]

Why would whispyr’s sheet have rare/WQ trinkets

[viscid spear]

Too lazy to sim, but has 13 trinkets

[median mango]

alright alright

you caught me slacking

brb

[dark token]

if ur too lazy to sim im too lazy to reply

[median mango]

fair

I'll go sim and let you know

[gusty mirage]

Jokes on you you just did

[subtle tundra]

[viscid spear]

You just did tho

[median mango]

true 🤔

[gusty mirage]

But it’ll prolly be turtle shell + one of the random stat proc trinkets

[plain onyx]

is it worth it to craft daggers now since rank 5 is 26% chance

[gusty mirage]

Unless you have puzzle box from academy mythic 0

[gusty mirage]

You can always recraft it later for higher qual

The current 5head play is you craft it with shit materials the first time

[dark token]

im really tempted to not use the puzzle box

feels awful

[gusty mirage]

Then hit it with t3 alloys for recraft

[gusty mirage]

To save gold

[gusty mirage]

I’ve been desperately trying to find something that isn’t a few thousand dps worse

That trinket is actually awful to use

[grizzled jay]

just use this 😎

who needs on-use baby

[gusty mirage]

That trinket sucks

[grizzled jay]

give me stat sticks only

[dark token]

there is a 347 quest trinket that owns

guaranteed drop

you might have DE

[barren lintel]

and how would i get a primal infusion?

[grizzled jay]

renown 25 with any of the reps

[barren lintel]

ouch

[tacit otter]

this one sims better for me than puzzle box, ill take it anytime

[gusty mirage]

25 renown with centaur/dragon scale; 30 renown with tuskar/valdrakken or wait for one to drop from raid or m+

[dark token]

its this one

200 dps worse

[gusty mirage]

Yeah that thing is nutty

[grizzled jay]

i see blazing essence there

😎

[dark token]

369

[gusty mirage]

I see Sophic devotion 3s

CHAD

[grizzled jay]

Burning Writ 1 gang

rise up

[gusty mirage]

inferior enchants, shit trinket user

Unsurprising

[dark token]

that was just me testing enchant dps

its stuck in my top gear now

im rank2

ill rank3 my primal infused weap

[gusty mirage]

I might just slap a r3 on my dagger now that I know it keeps enchants

[barren lintel]

so would it be worth to craft a dagger now?

[dark token]

this is just a shit 382 dag i had crafted for like 1k total to tide me over until the raid embellishment drops

[gusty mirage]

That’s entirely a personal decision tbh. I went with dagger cause I had awful luck with dagger drops

And I’ll use it in OH for the rest of the tier

[dark token]

i have 3 training matrix IVs im gonna use before end of next week

[median mango]

Guess I am never supposed to give this one up

[barren lintel]

well i have every slot at 372, so the decision on what to craft is hard

[gusty mirage]

That one is insanely good

[median mango]

yeah i noticed 😄

[dark token]

yeah its quite good, sad they nerfed it

it was simming better than puzzle box

happy to use it

[gusty mirage]

Then dagger is probably a safe pick

[dark token]

just do this

and craft the top 3 382 items

[gusty mirage]

If you mythic raid you’ll always use it in OH, if you heroic raid you’ll likely use it as a MH

[dark token]

i might actually be going sub now

it seems way better in m+

and beats my sin patchwerk sim (pre sectech bugfix which will add more dps)

[barren lintel]

why would i use it OH? if both mythic dagger would drop, wouldn't we replace it

[dark token]

no cause u can add an emebellishment

which is big dps

cant craft embellishments to mythic daggers

[median mango]

this and my fragment trinket thing almost sim highest for me smh

how are they so good

[near magnet]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[dark token]

i actually enjoy sub cold blood sectech playstyle

feels like dfa without the cool animation

big huge ability burst every little while

[barren lintel]

me too. but all the dots ticking someone to death is also nice

[real vortex]

Quick question: Are we tracking or pooling for Amp stacks or just letting envenom rip when we have the combo points?

[ebon notch]

did you see it was simming in raid bots with perma max stacks

it was simming over 2k increase on every trinket on my warrior

[gusty mirage]

No

[dark token]

ah yeah i was wondering that

[gusty mirage]

I’ve only simmed to check out gear

That I got

[dark token]

there was a day or 2 it was the top trinket by far

[gusty mirage]

You don’t want me involved in the sims

[barren lintel]

we can recraft crafted stuff, right?

[gusty mirage]

Yes

[real vortex]

Just make sure you repair it first....

[gusty mirage]

Costs 5 mettle + some of the materials

[real vortex]

That one messed me up for a few hours

[gusty mirage]

Big brain play is to craft it with cheaper materials and then recraft it with expensive materials

[dark token]

or buy the blue item from ah with perfect stats for 100g

[green harbor]

what happens if you don't repair it?

[dark token]

then recraft it to 382 without using a missive

[gusty mirage]

Can’t recraft

Needs to be full durability

[real vortex]

The cast bar will go off and nothing will happen, with no message as to why.

[gusty mirage]

The system is great

[real vortex]

ha

[coral sierra]

I can’t craft a 405 unless I’m maxed out with rep with one right?

[gusty mirage]

You’d think recrafting something would auto repair it

[gusty mirage]

Until next reset, correct

[coral sierra]

Thanks

[green harbor]

i'm tempted to make my weapons now, but i'll be patient

[gusty mirage]

Maybe I make a pin about it

[gusty mirage]

You’re safe to craft a weapon tbh

[summer briar]

what poisions to use with kingsbane build st ?

[gusty mirage]

Amp if talented into it otherwise deadly

[summer briar]

so if amp is talented that is always picked over deadly

[gusty mirage]

Yeah except for aoe situations

[summer briar]

and on Dragon build its DP,AMP ?

[gusty mirage]

Yeppers

[summer briar]

raiding as outlaw, but i might have to take up on assa for a few bosses

[real vortex]

Do we need to track amp stacks ? Is there a benefit to doing that?

[heady wigeon]

idt

[real vortex]

I.e. pooling and envenom at 10 + stacks or just let it fly?

[heady wigeon]

just env full cp

[gusty mirage]

nope, no need to

[real vortex]

Ty

[ebon notch]

hello i have question regarding DTB opener

it says to garrote snd garrote but we dont take subterfuge

do i just skip 2nd garrote and sbs

[dark token]

improved garrote makes it last 3s

so you could do the same but not worth without shrouded CP imo

[ebon notch]

ooo i missed that

[dark token]

i have been doing ambush snd garrote

[ebon notch]

ok thank you

[hearty junco]

what phials are assa going for in m+ and raid?

[dark token]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[dark token]

^ read that

[keen viper]

is Elemental Lariat good neck?

[dark token]

nah its only our BIS neck

[hearty junco]

ok so tepid or elemental chaos for ST it seems

[dark token]

corrupting rage??

[slim hamlet]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[vestal wren]

keep in mind that the consumabels assume 100% uptime

vers tepic is the best consumable with no strings attached and recommended to use

also better than elemental ^^

corrupting seems okay-ish, hard to predict uptime

[balmy condor]

To be fair, it’s really hard to read the big red box that says the same thing

[grizzled jay]

Corrupting also really good if you're alch sense the drawback is basically nothing

[balmy condor]

Assassination already has so many letters, people get tired of reading after reading the name of the channel

And just turn their brains off while hammering the keys

[crude geyser]

Is Sin still the best ST rogue spec for ST raid fights?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[swift dagger]

Sin is best spec for all content u heard it here first

[balmy condor]

Not true

[slim hamlet]

Also for mount collecting?

[swift dagger]

FOR ALL CONTENT

[slim hamlet]

[kind jacinth]

why arent we taking improved poisons and fatal concotions ?

[balmy condor]

We are

[subtle tundra]

if we dont its bcs its not better than alternatives

[balmy condor]

Have you looked at the trees in #assassination-faq

[subtle tundra]

its literally just as simple as bigger number better

[swift dagger]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[swift dagger]

I dont think I've seen a single random rogue running around who hasnt been Outlaw, im scared that Im missing something important

[subtle tundra]

yes outlaw is better in world content/m+

[kind jacinth]

both Kingsbane and DTB are close

[swift dagger]

idk Sub seems pretty damn comfy for world content too

[kind jacinth]

DTB seems better for sustained

[true pelican]

apparently decayology perk doesn't actually work on the 'backfire' of toxic phials

only works on some other dot you get when you drink a toxic potion/phial

[waxen thunder]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[slim wagon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[grave trail]

!turtle

!shell

[limber lion]

Fire

[grave trail]

ty Cev

[grizzled ruin]

do u know if u can craft crossrealm?

[dark token]

no

idk about cross faction

prob not

[misty holly]

You can cross faction.

A filthy blood elf did my work order

[viscid spear]

[keen sandal]

you guys running sin for all fights in the raid? Or is there going to be a fight where a different spec is clearly better than sin in the new raid?

[grim briar]

Can someone help me understand how to find the bronzed grip wrappings embellishment? I don’t see it on AH at all, but the rest are there

[keen viper]

as an assassination do u reccomend to craft the neck ?

[limber lion]

Neck and dagger is probably the way to go

[weak plover]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[limber lion]

Main hand it first then later on change it as your off hand

[median mango]

and no embellishment to start then change?

[copper hazel]

its from raid

[solar hare]

The recipe drops from the raid

[limber lion]

You can have an embellishment and just change it later on.

The bronze grip looks pretty good so far

[median mango]

ah sweet so just bronze now and change to whatever happens when we get second spark and stuff?

thanks 🙂

[limber lion]

Yeah, obviously tuning and sims and whatnot are still a WIP, but it's a safe bet for now

[royal lantern]

weird, when cev says it, its not a ussles edgelord opinion

[potent forge]

is sub supposed to sim more than sin at this gear lvl, my sin sim feels kinda low

[royal lantern]

tier set is kinda big

[quiet forge]

Are there any dps differences between talent builds?

[storm onyx]

Can we add an embelishment to an already made dagger by recraft?

[balmy condor]

Yes that’s… kinda the point

[balmy condor]

Yep

[next edge]

?????????????

so if you change talents

you do different dmg?

wtf.

[potent forge]

cringe

[night delta]

ikr

[brazen sonnet]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[trim zinc]

Just don't have setups for the other specs kekw

[potent forge]

how many combo poitns do you finish at

[quiet forge]

its not mentioned anywhere?

[trim zinc]

Max-1

Or animacharged ones

[balmy condor]

Are you asking for the best build or a comparison or what

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[balmy condor]

There’s plenty of numbers here

[fluid steppe]

how much haste would be good on assa rouge?

for the raid

[balmy condor]

Somewhere between 0% and 100%

[quiet forge]

was just expecting it mentioned in assassination faq at talents tab

[trim zinc]

Just sim your char bud
And don't use stats weights
❤️

[quiet forge]

thanks anyways

[balmy condor]

It’s not entirely that easy

[quiet forge]

i see

[balmy condor]

There’s differences in damage profiles and playstyle

I cant quantify that in a “this does more damage copy paste it ook ook” kinda way

[grizzled jay]

sub for all fights

[quiet forge]

understood, thank you

[trim zinc]

I'm prob doing sin like 99% of the time

[spice spire]

#subtlety

[grizzled jay]

i answered their questions

[potent forge]

sin just feels good vs sub for the utility

[dark token]

this is really cring

[potent forge]

yea it is

[dark token]

i have like 3-4 builds per spec

[potent forge]

it's aids

[dark token]

10? r eally? thats the cap?

and not per spec

per class?

[potent forge]

it's absolute garbage

i just deleted outlaw ST since thats probably never happening

[brazen zodiac]

oh wow

[fallow iris]

[weak horizon]

Is wowhead out of date with the best phial? it says glacial fury, but whispyr's sim sheet indicates that tepid vers or elemental chaos might be the best non-toxic phial

[hushed urchin]

Is Alchemist stone BIS?

[grizzled jay]

glacial fury uses sims that assume 100% uptime

cause that's how sims work

[flint ridge]

got some nice daggers

[grizzled jay]

oh was thinking of the stand still one. but ye.

[storm onyx]

Thank you

[weak horizon]

Not sure I understand what you're getting at here. Don't all the phial sims assume 100% uptime?

[grizzled jay]

yes, but in real fight scenarios you won't see 100% uptime. hence why whispyr's sheet has other phials being better than the 'dream scenario' phials. but i was thinking glacial fury was the 'stand still' phial.

[weak horizon]

gotcha

aren't whispyr's numbers based on sims that do the same 100% uptime assumption? or did he modify something in the sim that changes that?

[dark token]

im crying

[spice spire]

[grizzled jay]

i learned that from one of my first experiments lol

i have made so much money

[dark token]

i have the phial

[grizzled jay]

so so so much

[royal lantern]

but haste doesnt cap at 100%

[dark token]

im phial spec but its not profitable to craft

[grizzled jay]

i went hard into Decayology for both Alch and Herb so I got more Rousing Decay than pretty much anyone

[dark token]

i didnt learn it till yesterday

[trim zinc]

I can't get that recipe

[weak horizon]

are you able to guarantee quality 3 crafts? seems like it's a money loss if you can't do that

[grizzled jay]

ye ofc i went into Decayology

[dark token]

lol WTF is this recipe

[grizzled jay]

i get +1 skill per point in Decayology when making that phial

[dark token]

these things gonna be fucking 20k a pop

primal chaos? LMAO

[grizzled jay]

those are from the cauldron anyways

no one will buy those

[dark token]

i think our raid just gonna buy the non primal chaos pots

tbh

[grizzled jay]

so Alchemical Theory gives me +1 skill per pt, then Decayology also gives +1 skill per pt so right now I have +45 skill from those, plus my base skill.

[hardy dagger]

Wont you get 10× primal from m+?

[dark token]

each m+ dungeon gives 10x primal chaos? source?

[trim zinc]

thats the last one, and i cant get it;-;

[brazen zodiac]

[weak horizon]

gotcha, did you also get top tier alchemy gear? been wondering if i should do that and if it's worth it

[dark token]

heres my giga speced alch friend

[grizzled jay]

the 5 star green gear is like 1k a pop on Illidan lol

[grizzled jay]

im probably going to get the blue gear here soon

[dark token]

like 0 profit to craft stuff rn idk

he profits 8g/potion

elemental potion of power

[grizzled jay]

the real money maker in alch are the trinkets rn, lots of people buying just for ilvl

well, at least last 2 weeks

[dark token]

really

lmao

[grizzled jay]

ye

[dark token]

idiots

[grizzled jay]

well it has raw haste as a stat

for all i know its bis for like frost dk or some shit

[dark token]

garbonzo

simcraft? who needs that

[weak horizon]

yeah i went into alch to make money and tried going in on phials

[dark token]

we profcraft now

[weak horizon]

seems like it's awful tho

[weak horizon]

unless you can guarantee quality 3

[dark token]

this addon op

sims prof craft and gives statweights

holy shit

[brazen zodiac]

oo

[latent bronze]

hey guys, im still kinda new to assa just wanted to hear if there is how big of a dmg diff between kingsbane and dragon tempered blades and which is better to run 😛

[weak horizon]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[latent bronze]

oh i see

thanks 😄

[weak horizon]

np

[slim hamlet]

what addon is this?

[grave delta]

is the sin apl not set up properly for the puzzle box trinket?

by chance

[slim hamlet]

Found it

Sad that TSM just simply dont work on my pc tho

[vital rampart]

so based on these sims we should go DTB for ST in raid week 1?

[thorn crater]

those sims are with 4 piece

[trim zinc]

its full bis 4piece

[vital rampart]

so just sim ourselves with the suggested talent build with current items for week 1?

[royal lantern]

STATWEIGHTS?

[trim zinc]

for me rn kb and dtb r like 300dps, so ya

and not same playstyle and not same dmg profile, u do u idk

[vital rampart]

am i just wrong or is the DTB build just easier? No thinking about exsang or kingsbane and higher (sim-based) dps

[dark token]

yeah its like simcraft/pawn

but for profession gear

[static glacier]

it is easier, but also less bursty

[vital rampart]

Sorry trying to understand the damage profile then so kingsbane marginally better for execute cause 3 points in zoldyck and more burst but dtb just more consistent/easier to play i guess

[static glacier]

I'm not sure it sims higher than dtb

kingsbane AND exsang contribute more burst, especially since you generally save your last exsang of the fight for execute to line it up with deathmark

personally I'll be playing dtb while getting familiar with the fights at least, if the fight calls for burst at certain stages I'll consider playing KB / Exsang

[trim zinc]

i wouldnt call it easier
but its just personal i guess
but ya kb is more bursty and execute

[vital rampart]

Ok thanks for the help just trying to get my head around when I'd be playing either build

More comfortable with outlaw because of m+ but with the movement/forced downtime in some of the raid fights it'd probably lose a lot more dmg than ass would

[tame rose]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[trim zinc]

why would it lose less dmg??

[vital rampart]

poisons/not having restless blades means downtime doesn't affect you as much

for outlaw you need to be perma hitting something to get even close to your max dmg

[balmy condor]

Sin does as well

[trim zinc]

other day whispyr said that isnt true, but i dont have that knowledge to explain

oh there he is

[static glacier]

sin's days of having a lot of downtime are long gone

it loses significant dmg with downtime on the boss

[balmy condor]

Yeah I appear whenever there’s a shit unfounded opinion in chat

It’s like a spidey-sense

[slim hamlet]

That's why you're always here when I'm here?

[trim zinc]

LMAO

[balmy condor]

No I’m here when you’re here because your life is a mess and you refuse to have any semblance of a normal healthy sleep schedule

[slim hamlet]

Alright

I see how it is

[static glacier]

the mirror is speaking]

[slim hamlet]

Personal attack

[trim zinc]

isnt like 99% of us?

[slim hamlet]

Well I have school tomorrow so can't do that today!

[trim zinc]

emotional damage

[balmy condor]

Yeah I’ll see you at 3am

[slim hamlet]

Nah

No chance

surely

[frozen iris]

How do I about getting a high ilvl like that?

[balmy condor]

grumbles Dumb bitch

[slim hamlet]

[balmy condor]

Don’t you know the only person who doesn’t sleep here is me?

Get your own mental damage

[flint ridge]

quality 3 stones and a BS with good skills

[balmy condor]

Jeez

[trim zinc]

we all know that isnt true

[slim hamlet]

Damn sorry

Guess I took the spotlight

[balmy condor]

No that’s just a regular lamp it’s just that bright because it’s on in the middle of the night cause you don’t sleep

[slim hamlet]

It's only 21:15

[frozen iris]

Did you look through trade chat or craft order? Craftorder feels risky. Can you add an embellishment later or do you actually have to be a blacksmith to do that?

[slim hamlet]

Also worth it

[balmy condor]

Oh, good morning then

[slim hamlet]

That's 9 PM for you sir

Oh

I missed the joke

fuck me

goodbye

[balmy condor]

Sleep deprivation will do that

[slim hamlet]

[flint ridge]

Embellishment can be recrafted, yes. You find one in trade chat. In my case it's a guildie.

Whispyr, other than playstyle diff, with DTB having a slight edge on Kingsbane, is there a particular boss or type of fight where Kingsbane would probably shine, like a Sludgefist burst phase interaction or something.

[balmy condor]

not really

[gray hazel]

Finally decided to to get the neck crafted. Did the rank 3 stuff since it wasn’t too much. Hope peeps have it ready for tues

[frozen iris]

How many sparks should we have or is it determined by how quickly we got to 70 and finished the quest?

[trim zinc]

run, the tuning is comming

[dense cedar]

u can have more than 1?

[frozen iris]

I thought I read somewhere that some people have two.

[limpid drum]

Any one have combo points not update correctly on their character? Do I have 5cp or 6 😵‍💫

been such a headache

[bold drum]

dont look at the personal resource display thats the bugged one, but there is a WA that fixes it

[limpid drum]

I ended up disabling it.

these indy companies man

[bold drum]

its been posted a bunch in every channel so shouldnt be that hard to dig up

[balmy condor]

pins in #wow-general

[limpid drum]

thanks, I guess I shouldn't have thought it was assassin specific 🙂

[potent forge]

ER builds just feel 20x better than non ER builds, the utility you get feels nice

we hate any shadow dance routes

[balmy condor]

are you sure you're in the right channel

[thorn crater]

Wait what

Lmao

[balmy condor]

you seem a little lost

[potent forge]

i mean across rogue specs in general

[slim hamlet]

I got lost reading that

[balmy condor]

why would any sin rogue play dance

[potent forge]

like sin feels better than sub just because of the mobility/utility

[thorn crater]

Even if the color of the name doesn’t speak for it self

The picture says it all

[potent forge]

i just said across specs

[balmy condor]

I mean

okay

[trim zinc]

only 1 shadowstep

[balmy condor]

it's just a really weird thing to say I guess

[thorn crater]

Wow you’re nice today

[balmy condor]

I'm very ill

fever and cough and all that

[dawn kelp]

Sheeesh

[marble hemlock]

so

its a bit weird

i did a 392 wep for a friend earlier and it failed a few times

and everytime it failed

the base skill would increase

[thorn crater]

?!

[trim zinc]

hope u feel better soon

[thorn crater]

The base skill needed or your own?

[marble hemlock]

i mean for that craft

like

it started with me being close to 3star still

[royal lantern]

oh, you saw the PM

[marble hemlock]

and on the 3rd recraft i was suddenly halfway to 5star

[balmy condor]

ty

[thorn crater]

Oh shit

[copper hazel]

sounds like a failsafe mechanic

[royal lantern]

allright, so more or less, re-crafting has a low skill at the start and goes up

sounds weird lol

[thorn crater]

I mean technically it doesn’t

The more you work with something the better you understand it

So you correct the mistakes you made before

[marble hemlock]

yeah it might legit just be that recrafting with lowtier mats has lower skill than crafting fresh, which kinda makes sense

[wanton quail]

seli are you gonna be playing assa for m+ push? sorry for asking

[marble hemlock]

since oyu use less materials for recrafting

anyway

recrafting is so much cheaper

than crafting with t3 mats

[royal lantern]

i mean, sounds allright imo, re-craft and slowly the chance for higher tier goes up with more re-crafts

[marble hemlock]

idk why people dont do it

[brazen zodiac]

fr!!!

i thought that it was kinda goofy

[marble hemlock]

i did the math yday with EU numbers

crafting 5star guaranteed costs ~45-50k

[royal lantern]

most dont understand that INSTANT T5 NOW!!! is not really a possible thing without proc fishing for 99,9999% of players

[marble hemlock]

and 50 mettle

recrafting with t2 mats and waiting for proc costs 10k

on average

[thorn crater]

How many knowledge points though

[vital rampart]

Does anyone know how to not drop combat after vanish on details when hitting a target dummy?

Kinda annoying if I vanish when hitting a target dummy and it restarts combat

[balmy condor]

better to just log it

[potent forge]

dynamic damger overall

dynamic overall damage*

[frozen iris]

So I haven’t made my dagger yet should I just get tier 2 materials and then just have them keep recrafting?

[austere moss]

Seli you think you'll play assassin for m+?

[unreal kayak]

are the best embelishments for assa the same as outlaw ?

[earnest imp]

Im no expert, but looks like its good but sub and outlaw will be better from looks of it. Espicially if this getting destealthed shit isnt fixed

hides

[austere moss]

what do you mean getting destealthed?

[earnest imp]

Brackenhide for instance destealths you constantly for no reason

[slim hamlet]

Yep

This is the worst ever

[earnest imp]

Had same experience in couple more instances aswell

[potent forge]

grappling hook also unstealths you with subterfuge

[earnest imp]

Just randomly dropping out

[austere moss]

really? I never had that issue, as long as i'm not like disased or bled out.

[earnest imp]

I look like a fish on dry ground just smashing my improved garrote in panic

[slim hamlet]

No me neither

only brackenhide because infinite diseases and bleeds

[earnest imp]

I destealth there without them even

[dark token]

ye a blacksmith couldnt recraft r5 for me

but could make fresh

[earnest imp]

I enter stealth and exit constantly

[dark token]

5 skill off

[dawn merlin]

Ye brackenhide is scuffed

Happened both on my rogue and druid, more noticeable before first boss

[dark token]

also, a guild order had a higher crafting difficulty

than a personal order

exact same recraft

had to personal order my guildy

[trim zinc]

and re stealth doesnt change that much, just vanish

[austere moss]

it's funny how assassination probably suffers the most from not being able to stealth before a pull but still doesn't want shadow dance or sepsis.

[slim hamlet]

So while craftin shortblades, every tier 3 instead of tier 2 alloy thingy gives 3 bonus skill

But if you recraft you only use a few, does that actually only give you bonus skill for the few then?

[cloud moat]

Shadow Dance outside of Sub tree is just cringy design imo

[limber lion]

But that's because the alternatives are so much better

[slim hamlet]

If that is a thing that is very not smart

[cloud moat]

Made me swap away from Outlaw

[austere moss]

yeah that's the reason it's just kinda ironic.

[limber lion]

Yeh

[austere moss]

i feel like we get thistle tea 90% because its right next to sealed fate.

[limber lion]

Tea as one single point is actually kinda strong

[balmy condor]

it's more like 90% because it's a good talent

and 10% because we're already on that side of the tree

[austere moss]

i was kidding relax XD

[balmy condor]

man you guys suck at jokes

that's the second super weird comment in like an hour

[slim hamlet]

Obviously this is a joke

[trim zinc]

1 talent point per tea charge

[austere moss]

is bleed dmg physical?

[balmy condor]

yes

[solar tangle]

do we finish always with 6 cp?

[trim zinc]

max-1

[haughty jungle]

@balmy condor Hey, is Fuu's spreadsheet rly accurate, is sin rly that worse then sub and outlaw in M+
sin 93k, sub 111k, out 110k? What is your opinion here?

[cloud moat]

Sin offers aoe silence

[potent forge]

when going into a kingsbane window do you always want to make sure rupture/garrote are max so you don't need to refresh during

[true thorn]

I keep seeing all these random nerfs to sin rogues, leech, hemotoxin, etc its so irritating lol

[haughty jungle]

yeah i know that, but pugs always look only at dps and don't care about anything else. Also 8 targets 15% dmg reduction is huge, but that is only if I have a constant party ( :

[cloud moat]

tbh I'd be more worried about getting into keys at all regardless of spec as long as DHs and Monks exist

[true thorn]

Also, they decided to nerf poison bomb too..

[potent forge]

rogue is better than monk for the most part..

maybe not in m0s

[balmy condor]

the number that dungeonslice spits out isn't really something worth comparing. Assassination is probably fine, better than previous seasons

[little forge]

I can make baseline 405 without inspiration right now ( if I had infusion) a little short with embelishment though

Ok wow that was lagged messages showing

[trim zinc]

finally ❤️

[gray hazel]

The neck going to be getting nerfed?

[trim zinc]

idk, waiting till raid release

[dark token]

Woops I didn't buy my enchants and they went up by 6k ea

Thought i hit buy

Now instead of 4 enchants for 75k it's 4 for 100k

[rain berry]

when its the weekly reset? at 9 am or before?

[dark token]

Eu is 5 am

[gray hazel]

Gotcha. I was worried shit was going to more expensive to make later on

[static glacier]

mat prices should spike during wednesday for sure

moreso due to demand than anything else

except for crystals, they'll crash in price

[lethal heart]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[lethal heart]

gg outplayed

1st time guessed

[subtle tundra]

still gonna go skyhigh on wednesday, its not like everyone completes 100 m+ in 1 day

[static glacier]

time will tell, very well could play out that way too. either way I can't see crystals holding price for long

[subtle tundra]

prob wont but still worth holding until reset day

[slim hamlet]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[barren lintel]

dumb question about cp usage. do we have any points where we use it with -1 or -2 like the other speccs do?

[steel sorrel]

I feel like even if the Lariat should get nerfed after you craft it a neck offers so much raw stats + 3 sockets it wouldnt be completely wasted mats, no?

[copper hazel]

nerfed

what

doomer mentality stronk

[steel sorrel]

Is it doomer mentality to something positiv in a possible negative?

called planning ahead a little 🙂

[dark token]

You never know when something can be nerfed

[steel sorrel]

also, wrote this in wrong chatt

[dark token]

So never pick ur craft

Never pick ur spec

Never pick ur class

[trim zinc]

max-1 but idk if it ALWAYS, but like 99% prob

or blue ones

[dark token]

Who was in here flexing their essence

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/249295388744351744/1051547854331728014/image.png

Cause I just 1upped u

Titanforged

[limber lion]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[inner pier]

@rigid mango is vulpera bis?

[dense herald]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light: http://tiny.cc/2bq0vz / Dark: http://tiny.cc/xdu1vz

[rigid mango]

I think so with recent sl changes turbo broken actually

[subtle tundra]

i set my camp in the bedroom of your mom

[teal bloom]

wow mechagnomes suck now

[royal lantern]

you embody the 3sec casttime

[subtle tundra]

sorry i build and spend fast...

sometimes i also hit animacharged cp

[royal lantern]

outlaw main

ew

EW

[subtle tundra]

no

i fok and crit

big time

[slim hamlet]

Hitting those seal fate procs

Exsang + deathmark to go faster

[royal lantern]

protip: dont exsang people inside their bedroom

[next edge]

Tryan

should I go red name?

[royal lantern]

you make yellow bigbrains angry by existing

its just a positive

[true thorn]

whats the difference between sophic 1 v 3?

[subtle tundra]

on ah its tooltip bug

[teal bloom]

there is a diff but tooltip is bugged

[subtle tundra]

its more stats

[true thorn]

do you recommend buying rank 1, 2, for early? big investment for 3 lol

[subtle tundra]

i bought a rank 2 to put on the crafted dagger cause it keeps it when you recraft

[royal lantern]

buy rank2 everything rn

[subtle tundra]

and uh i should've bought yesterday

it was 17k

[royal lantern]

rank3 prices are insanity for EVERYTHING

[subtle tundra]

now i payed 21k

it gonna go crazy high on wednesday

[royal lantern]

blizzard doing stupid professions prices again

cus they think people will do a big guild farming/prof circle, where people gather stuff outside of the raid, send it their crafters to make enchants/consumables etc...

when in reality people just wanna play

and not farm shity consumable mats 🙂

[true thorn]

yeah okay thanks lol

[subtle tundra]

i have plenty of gold but it still feels bad to buy

like im being ripped off

[slim hamlet]

then dont 🙂

[subtle tundra]

[brazen zodiac]

[cloud moat]

did I fuck up something while running droptimizer or is Manic Grieftorch showing up as #1 upgrade for everyone else too

[slim hamlet]

It is insane trink

Highest for me in droptimizer besides weapon too

[cloud moat]

even so, kinda shocked the daggers arent the best upgrade

[leaden garden]

what poisons do i use?

i am specced into amplifying

[slim hamlet]

readin tooltip is enough to understand

[cloud moat]

Amp + Atro

[slim hamlet]

if you spec into something it is the best obviously, but outside of amp it's deadly

[leaden garden]

thank you

[near magnet]

!GUIDE

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[limber lion]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[quiet forge]

is that possible that i do less dps in dungeon slice than single target sims?

swapping talents ofc according to the type of the fight

[slim hamlet]

Sounds not right 🙂

[oblique jackal]

Will Sepsis be any good?

[slim hamlet]

Although it should be close, but to the other side

[slim hamlet]

Not taken in any builds 😦

[quiet forge]

i tried simming all 4 builds from assa faq

and both aoe builds (on dslice sim) deal less dmg than ST builds (patchwek sim)

[tacit otter]

welcome to sin:)

[distant mesa]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uyKXTicqLvgvGLuP9XiQ6X i fucked up, put the wrong embellishment on >.<

but that dagger made DtB sim higher

[dense herald]

wtf is that gear

[distant mesa]

what gear?

[dense herald]

just insane

[distant mesa]

just playing the game

[next edge]

Doesnt look that crazy to me

[spice spire]

379 isn’t that nuts

[teal iris]

I must be playing the game wrong then

[distant mesa]

I don't even have hte Arcane ring

[spice spire]

Grind rep for black dragonflight + cobalt and you’re chuckling probably. I didn’t but I Cba

[simple ore]

Late response but yes it did

[spice spire]

That and hunts and you’re bing chillen

[next edge]

Just by Dragonflight

I got 389 neck, 398 cloak

thats huge

[open rapids]

What’s command for spreadsheet?

[next edge]

im 379 and i m missing a 382

[plain flax]

@distant mesa was that 3 target or 5 ?

[teal iris]

15 hr grind to replace it in a couple days once m+ is out

[tacit otter]

15h? i was 4/6 from playing the game and then did a key farm for 1-2h max after nerf

[distant mesa]

1 target...

[spice spire]

Yeah I’m 3/5 wrathion and cba for the fourth. Rocking 369 neck too

[plain flax]

naughty dagger to be fair

[distant mesa]

is that the right embellish?

[next edge]

I was doing some DTB test on dummy

that shit is boring AF

[strange python]

it's the "i barely switch to sin, just for the ST fight y'know?" spec

[spice spire]

Mf already has Stockholm syndrome

My 18 button rotation

I’m kidding

(I’ve had the same issue)

[quiet forge]

which build is easier? AoE Kingsbane or AoE Dragon-tempored blades? The difference for me is 200dps towards Kingsbane but it seems to have more keybinds and I guess i'd deal less anyways because of that

[slim hamlet]

easiest is always dtb

not even close either

[next edge]

im sub wdym

[spice spire]

Delet this rn

[spice spire]

Aoe DTB doesn’t have to track another cd, however, you’re almost always locked into the tabnstab gameplay of tabbing to bleed people while maintains CT. So it’s honestly what you prefer tracking there

[quiet forge]

i see, thanks

[next edge]

I thought we were friends between specs

[distant mesa]

DTB in M+ = zzzzzzz

[slim hamlet]

DTB is def more fun in m+ than st

Just because of PB prog pog

[spice spire]

We are

But I’m a hater

[next edge]

Hate DN

[slim hamlet]

Besides outlaw

🙂

[open rapids]

Do we put anything on our daggers right now for embellishments?

[spice spire]

What’s dn

[cinder geode]

quick question does shadow dance give you the full benefit of master assassin?

do u get the 30% crit for the whole dance?

[next edge]

Diversify Nostalgia

[spice spire]

Ahhh ty

[oblique tangle]

LET'S GO COWL IS GOOD YEE HAW

[trim zinc]

Only with the ring lol

[viral aurora]

Any tips on what to craft with spark?!

[slim hamlet]

!whispyr

[prisma monolith]

Whispyr's Simulation Spreadsheet: https://tinyurl.com/292m89ev

[slim hamlet]

or faq

[viral aurora]

ty

[next edge]

I crafted DN dagger

[oblique tangle]

The embellished ring?

[slim hamlet]

it says it in the thing you replied to

[trim zinc]

There's like a big warning there

[slim hamlet]

In bold even

[oblique tangle]

I glanced at it when I clicked the server by accident

I'm playing OW atm :(

Where the fuck do I get the Diurna ring

Googles

[slim hamlet]

From diurna

lol

Raidboss

[oblique tangle]

Oooh

That ring

[slim hamlet]

ye

fire proc thingy

[oblique tangle]

very rare :^)

[slim hamlet]

Yeah and other people will prob use it a lot better

[true pelican]

lol no chance rogues get it for a 0.1% dps increase that requires 4 set in other slots

[slim hamlet]

Well

The .1% increase is only for the embellished item instead of BIS

Doesn't take ring dps increase on top

Idk if there is a dps increase or how much it would be compared, but I guess not really anything since shit stats

[true pelican]

huh?

pretty sure it does

in whispyr's sim

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x2VcezpMAn6RoPG23WDzS4

it's +1.2% with helm and ring equipped

the helm itself is trash

[slim hamlet]

Yeah