assassination

[balmy condor]

post buff you still maintain it when talented yes

there's probably some edge case like don't CT if you have poison bomb and amp poison and dashing scoundrel and twist the knife and you're inside deathmark

but lethal dose makes it kinda fine to just hit CT and call it a day every now and then in single target

[oak sky]

I was like

So down for carnage -> maintain ct -> envenom for pb

Until pb did too much damage

💀

[balmy condor]

that gameplay was about to exist if IC didn't suck so much ass in low target counts

[nocturne current]

They basically granted Varas wish.

[balmy condor]

we replaced poison bomb with kingsbane essentially

[oak sky]

Its unfortunate

[balmy condor]

it still technically works as a gameplay loop

but you'd have to drop kingsbane and some other stuff

and it's just numerically not great

[oak sky]

Yeah not good enough

[thorn crater]

btw how are the sub buffs looking

[spare crow]

like +3% overall

[nocturne current]

My bingo wishlist.

No SBS. ✅
45s IC. ✅
CT over PB. ✅
Sepsis doing stuff. ✅

Thank you Mr. hidden blizzard dev.

Now if only you can make Blindside bring up stealth bar as toggle. ☑️

[oak sky]

Ct over pb

What do you mean by that

[nocturne current]

Wasn't CT off in the old DTB build?

[balmy condor]

[nocturne current]

pls

[oak sky]

As long as ct dot does good damage its good

[balmy condor]

you just don't want to bind ambush

[oak sky]

But its not like ct and pb only compete with one another

This isnt mop talent rows

[thorn crater]

where do u have muti hyperfox?

1 or 2?

[nocturne current]

2

But I already have Sepsis on Shift 2 😄

[thorn crater]

just put ambush on alt 2 somewhere on a bar and forget about it

[oak sky]

My amb is on shift 2

[nocturne current]

But it ruins my bar aesthetics.

[oak sky]

Sepsis doesnt even need a bind

[thorn crater]

bruh put it on bar 6 that is hidden

[oak sky]

And if it does then

[thorn crater]

u dont even have to see it

[oak sky]

Put sepsis where sbs is

They directly compete

[balmy condor]

y'all don't have all your bars hidden in the first place?

[runic hinge]

Alt-z gameplay

[thorn crater]

i dno i like that i can have 3 of them on top of each other like in FF14 now

[spare crow]

I have them on transparency + mouseover

[thorn crater]

i like the look

[balmy condor]

I have them on mouseover and that's it

0 alpha

[spare crow]

I tried that

but It feels so weird

[thorn crater]

i watch my bars for cds

[nocturne current]

Also Blindside % based gives me anxiety.

[thorn crater]

so no ty

[spare crow]

no weakaura?

[balmy condor]

why

[thorn crater]

sure but its not the same

[balmy condor]

this is why I turned my bars off

so I would stop staring at the bottom of my screen like a clown

and used my wa instead

[spare crow]

^^^^^^^^^

BIG TRUE

No need to bring your eyes all over the screen

when you need to get some info

all the info u need should always be as close as it can be to the center of your screen, without bloating your combat visual

[thorn crater]

ok so aparently i have something similar to aphasia taht is not aphasia

[misty holly]

That makes a lot of sense, but I kind of like the middle of the screen to just be the game - not full of timers and bars and pop ups

[thorn crater]

that creates pressure to my eyes when i focus them in the middle of somewhere

[spare crow]

That's exactly my point, close to center but never center

[thorn crater]

my peripheral is better in all way

s

[spare crow]

let me try to show u

[thorn crater]

no wait its not called aphasia

lmao

[misty holly]

I've seen a lot of screenshots of what people play with. I think they have a different idea of what not the center means lol

[thorn crater]

anyway i have an eye disorder that stressed my eyes more when they have to focus on a specific point anywhere, i usually see everything pretty much in doubles

and its not fixable

so i use my peripheral vision abot pretty much everything

including having shit on the bottom of the screen and the sides

[spare crow]

This is as bloated as my screen can get during fights

center always free.

except on very important notifications

the "1" at the center of the screen is my target count in aoe range, still gotta move that

[nocturne current]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-eyes-steve-buscemi-big-eyes-gif-5312326

The ultimate player.

One eye in raid, one eye in cooldowns.

[spare crow]

he doesn't need weakauras

[nocturne current]

Isn't the center now even the default one?

I still had to reverse it to old-school though. Too many years used to it.

[thin gate]

similar setup but instead of rogue was project azilroka for elvui

[weak horizon]

bro IC cd down to 45s

this shit is aweosme

[thorn crater]

ngl thats a bit much for me 😛

[spare crow]

to each their own.

[ebon notch]

move ur buffs on target to below the frame so that your timers can be flush like on your player frame

big waste of space

[spare crow]

No, because that's where the debuffs go

my timers are my buffs, but the bars on the boss are not their buffs

so they're bars for different things

[ebon notch]

honestly theres no real reason to track debuffs/buffs on bosses

anything important is being tracked by a weakaura

i removed them a while ago and had very minimal quality of life impact

personally that is

[spare crow]

That depends. I often look at them.

To each their own

If they were useless to me I would've removed them

I've blacklisted some, for example.

[ebon notch]

ye i tried maintaining a blacklist

i wanted to die

so i ended up removing them

[thorn crater]

ok serious question

and kind of a hot topic

do u think that bigwigs or dbm is necessary?

[ebon notch]

i mean no addon/weakaura is necessary

since they banned the "smart" weakauras in legion or w.e

they arent necessary

[thorn crater]

i feel like it just feels teh screen with timers and big colors and shit that is useless

boss announces everything eh does anyway so if u know the abilities u dont need them

[ebon notch]

theyre basically buffs/debuffs that exist that are exaggerated in order to make it easier to pay attention to

[thorn crater]

except u are doing a specific tactic then ye a particular WA is useful

[spare crow]

I only use Bigwigs.

alert + the bars you see on top of the boss frame and near my control icons

that's it.

[thorn crater]

ye thats what im saying that feels too much for me

some shit are too big for no reason

[spare crow]

you can customize them.

[thorn crater]

the only useful thing is the timer that people do for pulls

i dno im used to blizz ui and how bosses bring up stuff

[spare crow]

positions, fonts, sounds, width

everything

[ebon notch]

it also depends on ur goals

and the level ur playing at

normal/heroic gamer?

dont even need that shit

pushing any decent mythic rank

you'll do everything you can to make sure that push timing is met, that debuff is tracked, that rally is on time

thats a major distinction that is very important

[thorn crater]

i mean i should clarify

since we as rogues dont really provide any raid utility/ability that people need

if u know the boss fights then you dont really need bigwigs unless there is a very specific thing only u are supposed to do at a specific spot

i dno ive raided mythic legion without bigwigs just with the WAs necessary for some fights

and was on hiatus till now so things might have changed

[ebon notch]

there's typically a package that gets released for each raid

thats all encompassing

you can take that and remove/customise w.e you need

or just dont run it at all

[spare crow]

I do use them

see this spot

[thorn crater]

btw just having a discussion im not forcing anything on anyone was just curious about everyone's opinion

[spare crow]

This is where the wa goes.

[ebon notch]

i have mine on the right side

[balmy condor]

How dare you force your opinion (very bad) onto me and my opinion (very good)

[ebon notch]

i should probably minimise my raid frames to make more space

[ebon notch]

ur opinions are sus and you know it

maplestory enjoyer

[balmy condor]

Ramfam is a maplestory enjoyer

[ebon notch]

ramfam been getting sus over time

you pushed him over the edge

[balmy condor]

Oxi is a maplestory enjoyer

[ebon notch]

he's excused cause otherwise he'll sue me

[balmy condor]

What if ramfam hires oxi to sue you

[ebon notch]

nah

ram aint like that

too much effort

[candid crypt]

Rogue
Assassination
Indiscriminate Carnage cooldown reduced to 45 seconds (was 60 seconds).

i like it ❤️

[spare crow]

we all like it

[vestal wren]

more env or ct spam

[plain onyx]

exactly ❤️

[balmy condor]

We like when the damage number go up

And we don’t like when the damage number go down

[spare crow]

• Confucius

probably

[candid crypt]

so true

[cobalt hemlock]

better number better person

[vagrant obsidian]

hi guys, is sin playable rn on prepatch? i mean DUSKWALKER works?

[balmy condor]

Yea

[vagrant obsidian]

ty ❤️

[hearty junco]

they are very necessary

[next arch]

I couldn't play without weakauras.

Manually tracking bleeds and pandemics would be aids

[hearty junco]

talking about raiding and WA/dbm, i dont think my guild would have managed SLG without it

[brisk forge]

I mean u cant be in top w/o it and it will take longer for sure but its doable

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skills-issues-skills-issue-skill-issues-skill-issue-gif-gif-25475057

[hearty junco]

like the orb management, who soaks what pool,(back up for a pool if somone dies) going left or right on upheaval, warning when you get blades and so on

it would take people months to finish that boss without WA

[thorn crater]

ye i get taht thats why i excluded WAs for particular fights set up by a guild on how they clear

[hearty junco]

felt pretty handicapped the first week of beta aswell with no WAs

[royal lantern]

tbf, dot/uptime buffs based specs without weakauras/addons are more or less unplayable

even BM hunter without addons is really really REALLY shit, because you cant track frenzy uptime without any form of addon at all

and thats the main mechanic of the spec

[neat plank]

do zoldyck legendary and talents stack? 😛

[royal lantern]

no

talents overwrite legendarys with the same effect

[neat plank]

then why am i using both? explain that to me

[spare crow]

Well..

bad news for you I guess

[neat plank]

😛

[royal lantern]

so that you dont need to skill zoldyck

because its prepatch

and you are a gigachad that actually tries stuff out instead of just copypasting pins

mindless copypaste starts at df launch

[neat plank]

too kind

[subtle tundra]

yea fr just go hard flame him

[trail mica]

What is the mob count for using FoK?

[subtle tundra]

tree

i think

thats when i do it

[royal lantern]

huh?

[subtle tundra]

be toxic

[royal lantern]

if that sounds like i was flaming him, it was not inteded that way

[subtle tundra]

it didnt

that was the problem

go be toxic.

[subtle kiln]

[subtle tundra]

why is your dog an emote

[subtle kiln]

everyone loves my doggos

and they’re not toxic

[subtle tundra]

you can fix that

teach them

[royal lantern]

yes

i demand a daily scath doggo pic in all spec channels to keep the morale high

[subtle kiln]

i’m not allowed in outlaw

[subtle tundra]

they rude

[royal lantern]

i said spec channels

[subtle kiln]

therapist says it’s not healthy.

[royal lantern]

not hell holes

[subtle kiln]

so you basically want a daily pic in offtopic 2

[royal lantern]

yes

more dog pics are always good

[subtle kiln]

did you see yesterday’s?

<#assassination message>

[royal lantern]

now i did

[modest gale]

Will assa be played im rwf?

[subtle tundra]

🫡

ye

[night delta]

Not unlikely from what we see rn

[subtle tundra]

it will

[teal iris]

how does assa do on cleave now anyway, since I heard the raid has a lot of cleave fights? haven't played since bfa but back then we did 0 cleave but got some extra funnel damage from adds, is it still the same?

[subtle tundra]

it will go FSDHOI SDFOIAS CJHOPFLASD HJ WSOIEF HYRTWEOITHJovc,h BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

[night delta]

I've just caught on to Realz posting the mario kart blue shell gif in a discussion about exsang awhile back, are we expecting a nerf or was it just memeing ?

[oak sky]

Ask yourself this

[subtle tundra]

my narrative is that exsang will be deleted come patch day

[oak sky]

Wouls realz rather see if exsang plays out as bad as we think it will

Or knee jerk kill it

[balmy condor]

Imagine this: exsang is nerfed to 50% speed and still is perma taken

[night delta]

Oof

[subtle tundra]

my narrative is the only one that works

[oak sky]

Think about it like

Spell gets omega nerfed

Then it just feels worse

And we still go it

[royal lantern]

i mean, the problem many people dont see is, what else do we pick with that talent point lol

[oak sky]

And it cant be completely unusable because whats the point of the tree then

[subtle tundra]

i dont talent it

[royal lantern]

like, you could nerf exsang HARD, not many other options are left

[oak sky]

TTB

We go ttb

pog

[balmy condor]

Tiny toxic? Imp poison? Dashing? Pb? Twist the knife? Vicious venoms instead of flying daggers?

What a stupid fucking question

There’s like 5 good places to put that point

What

[royal lantern]

allright, the TL:DR is: assa is better for aoe stuff now, we got new tolls (Indiscriminate carnage is great for aoe dot spreading, agility for multidotting gives some overall dmg in aoe etc....), BUT its not outlaw/fire mage tier

its better, but not the #1

[subtle tundra]

assa is bussin

[oak sky]

The world if vv was good

[next edge]

Was about to say that

I think Sub can be super good for keys too if tanks pull big dmug

[royal lantern]

and yes, the first raidtier is very aoe/cleave heavy, all fights except the 2nd(?) have some form of adds/cleave stuff, but dunno how much aoe you actually will need at the end

[royal lantern]

twist ||deez nuts||

[oak sky]

So many interesting choices!

[night delta]

If realz was to nerf exsang I'd expect it been done competently, his track record on balancing so far is pretty good

[royal lantern]

and we take the one that makes the gameplay worse

[oak sky]

Passive increase 1, passive increase 2, passive increase 3, passive increase 4

[balmy condor]

You asking for more buttons?

[teal iris]

I see, do we still have to choose between either good ST or good aoe/cleave or is it slightly more hybrid now?

[oak sky]

No

[teal iris]

[royal lantern]

tbf, i dont see a exsang nerf, either it gets a full rework and does something different OR just gets replaced

@balmy condor answer him, idk the numbers for beta and assa build differences

[oak sky]

Doesnt have to be an active ability to be interesting, and of course some passive talents are needed and expected

Just engaging in a bit of memery

[balmy condor]

You go IC + KB and it’s hybrid or DTB and it’s hybrid but sin has no burst cleave and you’re a single target boss damage guy

[teal iris]

so for "irrelevant" adds that just die from passive cleave we still just ignore them or use for funnel right?

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[teal iris]

also do you happen to have a damage breakdown for beta m+?

[balmy condor]

Yeah it’s your 3 bleeds then fok, poisons and then the rest of whatever

[teal iris]

ah great, I really enjoyed the bleed playstyle in bfa and it sounds like we get that but more refined and an actual aoe button?

[balmy condor]

Idk what that means

But sure

[royal lantern]

3bleeds? you mean garret 1, garret 2, garret 3, then fook fook?

[balmy condor]

Exactly

[teal iris]

like with the shouded suffocation things to focus damage on garrotte

[royal lantern]

i mean, we do that, yes

[teal iris]

azerite traits

[royal lantern]

ss and improved garrote are a thing

you will stealth garrote 3 targets

[balmy condor]

Subterfuge has existed for like a decade now

[subtle tundra]

you will stealth ic garrote er rupture

[balmy condor]

Garrote from stealth is a thing sin has done for many moons

[royal lantern]

didnt assa use mut garrote mut as a opener during BfA for some times

[balmy condor]

No

Gar snd gar sure

[royal lantern]

BfA

[balmy condor]

Yes

[teal iris]

snd wasnt a thing in bfa iirc?

[balmy condor]

Bfa

[royal lantern]

in bfa we didnt had snd whisp

[balmy condor]

Oh

Well it’s still more correct than mut gar mut

I’ll take that

[teal iris]

we had those azerite traits that giga buffed mut though but can't remember exact opener

[balmy condor]

Mut gar mut can’t be correct in any universe

Without shrouded that puts you at 5cp with no seal fate

With You’re already at 5 after the gar

[royal lantern]

@subtle tundra what was the opener during BoD again in BfA

when we used master assassin

[subtle tundra]

idk

bod wasnt a patch i really played

[royal lantern]

oh yes it was garrote mut rupture

or how i played it

garrote mut 3cp alt f4

"sorry, dc"

[subtle kiln]

flaccid MA window performance

[crude topaz]

morning people

quick question. why in pvp people use generally exang after DM ?

[subtle tundra]

#pvp

[junior rampart]

Sorry if this is answered already. Does empowered garrote from stealth on IC target spread empowered garrote on all 8 targets?

[warm shell]

Yes, it also spreads your iron wire silence

[slim hamlet]

Damn didn't know it spread iron wire, that's really nice

[silk linden]

school teachers would like to know this one trick

[next edge]

As a school teacher myself

I can confirm this

But instead of 8 targets, 28

[spice spire]

[slim hamlet]

You would like to strangle your whole classroom?

[next edge]

I work as a High school teacher (english in fact) and here in Spain we are used to have 29-33 students per class

an absolute madness

[next edge]

Yes, without hesitation

maybe I could save very few of them

[viscid spear]

If Jimmy has 8 apples and Joanie has 7 oranges, how many Combo Points will it take to get full bleeds on the entire classroom without Indiscriminate Carnage?

[slim hamlet]

4

minimum

[spice spire]

you have $10 and you buy two cokes for 10 minutes and burgers, now the first coke only last 2.5 minutes then you spend less to burgers and buy another coke, still $10. The difference transferred to burger difference not money wise

[uncut echo]

God what is that pasta from

[slim hamlet]

flour

and eggs

[spice spire]

Dw about it

Just know I treasure it

[viscid spear]

I reroll salad

[uncut echo]

Mage filth

?

[spice spire]

Don’t bully Him wtf

He’s my goat

Only cool mage known to man (because he play frost)

[viscid spear]

Then they nerfed our AoE

[spice spire]

[royal lantern]

no, bully

[spice spire]

No man

[royal lantern]

push nerds into the locker

[spice spire]

Me to Exsang haters

[royal lantern]

we stopped to bully starwars fans

how did that end?

[viscid spear]

Besides the "beyond 8 targets" change that affected a lot of classes and isn't an issue, they nerfed Frozen Orb by 15%

[spice spire]

Good (heck mage players)

[viscid spear]

Arcane untouched

[spice spire]

The duality of man = liking ash and hating mage

[viscid spear]

The duality of man = Will

Nuff said

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

Duality of Cat-Man, or Man-Cat, idk what he prefers

[uncut echo]

Exsang die

Turn into creeping death

Ty

[spice spire]

No

[strange python]

guys

playing ass rogue is slow compared to others,i am right about that or wrong?

[spice spire]

It’s comparable to sub, slower than outlaw for sure

[strange python]

so?

[plain onyx]

the poisons is what makes it so satisfying.

[strange python]

okay and how can you proceed

to one shot in pvp

[spice spire]

#pvp

[strange python]

also

how can you get more neergy regeneration ro smth

[spice spire]

Bleeds, and since you don’t understand that, reading a guide seems helpful as they are great for understanding the basics of a spec. You can check every channel’s by typing

[static glacier]

have venemous wounds proc more often

[spice spire]

!Guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[uncut echo]

Sheesh bestie

[spice spire]

I got caught lackin, not trying to be rude, just think it’ll be really helpful

[uncut echo]

I mean its facts

[spice spire]

Eh it is what it is, going to dreamhack today, y’all want anything?

[uncut echo]

My house cleaned with minimal effort

[spice spire]

You and me both, bestie

[uncut echo]

[tender rune]

is there any way to not cast Exsanguinate without losing dps ?

[royal lantern]

pray for a rework/removal/deletion like all sane players

otherwhise? no

[tender rune]

[peak bobcat]

Yeah the way to not cast it is to not talent into it

And take your 2% dps elsewhere

[peak bobcat]

This guy still lives in my head rent free

[spice spire]

Every day I think of him

[subtle tundra]

bargers

[spice spire]

I read it and I laugh because I see the point he was trying to make but it is a funny sentence

[sour haven]

if DM and then garrote it will be duplicated or just if I cast garrote before DM?

[uncut echo]

Whats the new dps calc diff if you were to take ttb with the zoldyck buffs

[subtle tundra]

4%?

i believe

[uncut echo]

WAIT that was a pasta from this channel wasnt it

Damn, much larger now

[subtle kiln]

@spice spire If I take 1 hour to cook a batch of cookies and the cookie monster has 15 ovens working 24 hours a day every day for 5 years, how long does it take the cookie monster to make 6000000 batches of cookies?

[uncut echo]

Whats our vector for a batch

Oh wait it doesnt matter

[subtle tundra]

press on cd

[uncut echo]

[little light]

is he using exanguinate to bake them faster or not

[uncut echo]

Lmao

[subtle kiln]

except on leap years

[uncut echo]

Oh my

The math complicates

[spice spire]

Yes it was

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

What kind of a nerd decided we needed letters and symbols in math

[subtle kiln]

wait til emojis are added to math

[subtle tundra]

its called greek letters

they are already in

[viscid spear]

a² dabs on b² hitting the Gritty on c² = smh / ong

[subtle kiln]

let me know when 🍆 is in

[spice spire]

Heard that before

[subtle kiln]

that’s what she said

there’s a funny twitch cooking copypasta but i think it’ll get me muted for days. lol

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

Smash it in OT

[subtle kiln]

this is ot

[viscid spear]

No this is Patrick
We talk about Exsanguinate here

[uncut echo]

Sang bad

[spice spire]

Smash it in the right OT

[spice spire]

Delete this rn

[uncut echo]

S an g bAd

hits evasion

[spice spire]

Mf the only thing ur evading is the filter I s2g

[subtle kiln]

maybe too much for that one too

[spice spire]

[spice spire]

[uncut echo]

It worked :)

[spice spire]

Some things are better left saved for when whispyr hits you up with pics of his feet at 2am asking about some fungus

[subtle kiln]

true

[uncut echo]

I have left the need to play dh behind me, I fucking hate havoc

[spice spire]

Very based Ahri, god bless you

[uncut echo]

Back to hating 2/3 rogue specs

[subtle kiln]

exsang your new bestie

[spice spire]

3/3*

[uncut echo]

Nah, sin based now

I fucking love ic changws

[spice spire]

Realz just softening us up for the ST nuke

He’s killed 25 changes in a row, so he has a tactical waiting

[uncut echo]

No way it's getting smashed

[subtle kiln]

exsang causes IC change and you still hate my boy

[uncut echo]

We're not on top of st in the game, fire still way ahead

We gucci

[spice spire]

Yeah but that’s a hero class

[subtle tundra]

if they delete exsang our st is fine

[subtle kiln]

rogues just haven’t sorted out that hipster spec is destine to be mid

[uncut echo]

I mean we're a hero class for sapping and smoke bombing for mages

[viscid spear]

Why no villain class

[uncut echo]

Thata dh

[spice spire]

Yeah that’s dh

Jinx

And no not the cat, ash

[viscid spear]

You will give my LoS from the enemy team while I turret into them and you will enjoy it!

[uncut echo]

S3 sin pvp was legit nut

Fucking absurd 1 shots

[spice spire]

Sepsis

[viscid spear]

Only missing one out of 11 names for my characters. Just need a Samkitten and the unholy collection will be complete

[spice spire]

Is that the death knight?

[viscid spear]

I'd list them but that might be spammy, so the only class I don't have as a -kitten is DH/Hunter/Monk.
Everyone else is taken, just need one for my Sam

[burnt latch]

Wait isnt fire the worst simming out of three honestly underperforming mage specs

[spice spire]

Xyronic showing them the way of sandbagging rn

[burnt latch]

Apl made of noodles

[uncut echo]

Fire was absurd, and got turbo nerfee

Nerfed

[spice spire]

Good

Fuck em

[uncut echo]

I get my names from Elden Ring / souls games. My dk is Radahn, my mage is Nokstella

Dh is Lazarai because that's fucking based

Etc

[spice spire]

My names are metal gear

Because

[uncut echo]

Senator

King shit

[spice spire]

No he’s a senator, so it would be senator shit

[late raven]

fck wrong disc

please disregard

[spice spire]

Back to topic, the three Gs are:
Gaslight (people into enjoying exsanguinate), gatekeep (people from hating exsanguinate), girlboss (don’t play exsanguinate)

[viscid spear]

Standing here, did you realize no one asked
But no, that was the only game in the series I played.

[viscid spear]

Way ahead of you Big Boss

[gusty mirage]

What a glorious way to start my day

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

Watching quake get dunked on

[spice spire]

GM

[spice spire]

Buddy im about to dunk deez nuts on you say less

[gusty mirage]

I’ll dunk on your dad if you keep this up

[viscid spear]

I should spec into Exsang just to see what the fuss is about

[gusty mirage]

There isn’t one

Spell sucks, but it’s more damage

C’est la vie

[oblique wasp]

hello bois, I would need to ask for your help

[viscid spear]

Lies and slander?

[gusty mirage]

Hi friend

[oblique wasp]

I am trying tocreate WA to track empowered garrotes but I am unable to 😦

[gusty mirage]

Yeah that’s gonna require some custom code unfortunately

[oblique wasp]

its the last item I need to check so that Ican switch to sin

[spice spire]

It’s a custom coder for sure empowered and normal share ids in game 😦

[gusty mirage]

I think afenar’s is updated for imp garrote you can probably just yoink theirs from their giant pack and customize it to your liking

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)

[gusty mirage]

Can just drag it out of their big WA pack and then delete the rest

[oblique wasp]

ok I will try

[next edge]

If you have customized stuff and update new pack you lose your previous custom?

[oblique wasp]

/wa

pardon

[oblique wasp]

so I tried to do as advised, but I couldn't see difference in normal garrote vs empowered one

[sharp lichen]

any string talent for pvp?

[royal lantern]

#pvp

only normal players here

[uncut echo]

Oof

[oblique wasp]

correction - I tried to play around the WA in description here and found finally one option 🙂 thank you all

[uncut echo]

Smack down

[uncut echo]

Have fun!!!

[trail mica]

Worth it to envenom in aoe?

[keen viper]

Good morning

[royal lantern]

its 5:30 pm

[viscid spear]

11:30 here

[royal lantern]

just fire

[uncut echo]

Fire bad

[royal lantern]

he deleted it

[uncut echo]

We can answer your questions here just fine :) don't be shy

[sleek turret]

I just have questions for questing/leveling, not about spec that fits to this channel

My problem is, I'm low hp or just dead after every single fight

[subtle kiln]

use defensives and stuns

use cooldowns

[uncut echo]

Kidney shot is super nice if you have it, so your dots rot people down

[strange python]

guys, can assassin rogue can go top 1 and compete with others? xd

[dark token]

Yesm

[subtle tundra]

no

go play outlaw

[strange python]

wdym

[subtle tundra]

assa bad

go play outlaw

you cant do high content

[royal lantern]

(he is joking)

[royal lantern]

rogue in general is well known to be kinda shitty during leveling

[subtle tundra]

am i?

[sleek turret]

I don't know if this is normal in WoW, but every 1v2 fight is a 50/50 win or die and 1v3 is 100% dead for me

[subtle tundra]

youre probably doing something wrong?

[royal lantern]

i know its a stupid question BUT

if you playing assassination, are you using weapon poisons?

its something people tend to forget

[sleek turret]

yes I do

[uncut echo]

Pretty big bulk of your damage, too

[sleek turret]

should i just put my poison and bleeding on the enemy and then run away for 10 seconds?

[night delta]

For maximum BM in pvp, why not

don't forget the /laugh

[royal lantern]

eh, the general gameplay loop is putting garrote/rupture on enemys, and then spend cp on envenom

normaly during lvling stuff dies fast

[surreal nova]

what level are you, what level are your enemies, what ilvl do you have? i could imagine you just leveld so quickly nowadays that your ilvl might be a tad too low if you're not using heirlooms

[sleek turret]

I think that's what I'm doing

[royal lantern]

but like, rogue has the lowest hp of all melee dps if i remember right+low armor+almost no sustain

[uncut echo]

health should've been homogenized a long time ago

[sleek turret]

I'm level 22 and the enemies are the same level

[uncut echo]

but still, leather melee with zero sustain

[night delta]

Yeah rogue is terrible for pulling during levelling

at least we got stealth going on for us

which saves valuable time on many quests

[royal lantern]

its homongenized for 99%of cases, i think only warrior and warlock tend to have more hp cus of talents?

[uncut echo]

Rogue, DK, Warlock, Warrior, DH

OutLUL gets 10%

DK gets 20, Lock gets 16, warrior get ssome, Dh gets 6

[night delta]

I mean, sin and sub having less health overall than other melee isn't really problematic imo

[royal lantern]

but yeha, the tl:dr is really just: rogue during lvling sucks, gotta survive it

[royal lantern]

its not problematic at all

like, the amount of hp never matters for dps/healers lol

if you eat a mechanic that is supposed to kill you, you die

if you eat a mechanic that is supposed to kill you in 2 ticks, it doesnt matter if you are at 40% or 46% cus of it

[night delta]

I mean during leveling

[surreal nova]

i havent leveld a rogue lately, but id imagine you just hit a phase where it might be a bit tougher maybe due to ilvl or not so great options for selfheal due to lack of points and spells. just work your way through it as good as you can. the next weapon upgrade or so might make you feel much better

dead enemies cant hurt you anymore

at least not physically

[royal lantern]

but the guilt for killing somone

will hurt your forever

[sleek turret]

Okay, I will try doing that. Thank you

[terse otter]

guys i lvled outlaw, but not sure if i like blade flurry being 90% of my dmg profile 😛 Is assa a lot harder/ able to do decent m+/raids as outlaw can ? Gameplay is rly interresting

[gusty mirage]

it requires a bit more effort than slapping on blade flurry

but once you get the hang of it, it's super simple

[terse otter]

i have no problem in learning if its rewarding. Is it ? is it decent in AoE/cleave ?

[gusty mirage]

ye its pretty good in aoe and cleave

[next edge]

Outlaw harder than sin

[terse otter]

is assa reliant on long CD's or infinite spamming like outlaw ? Can u pump from pack to pack in m+ ? Sory for noob questions but im rly interested in assa more than outlaw atm

[next edge]

Sin is super cool to play

[terse otter]

outlaw i simple, just tracking some stuff nothing more

[next edge]

And does really good now

[terse otter]

is*

[next edge]

It is not

It's the hardest spec

[green harbor]

'some' stuff

[terse otter]

well, as outlaw u need to track buffs, as assa u need to track poisons right ?

[gusty mirage]

nope, highest CD is deathmark at 2min. They just reduced the CD of our AoE CD to 45s so you'll have it for pretty much every pack in high keys

but there is a lot of spamming of fan of knives into a finisher in aoe

[next edge]

Just test all

[terse otter]

ok i have to check it, i feel that ill love it honestly :p

[next edge]

And see what you like

Sin is really fun

[terse otter]

Sin's dmg is comming from dots right ? can he easily spread them ?

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

[next edge]

Poison and bleeds yeah

[gusty mirage]

and if you're specced into indiscriminate carnage it takes care of the spreading bleeds for you every 45s

[terse otter]

cool, going to wowhead guide now, thank u guys 🙂

[next edge]

Honestly just test

And feel comfortable

As oxi said

It's really straightforward once you get the basics

You will be fine

[terse otter]

for me oputlaw is rly simple and spammy(i like it) but i have the idea of blade flurry

hate*

[surreal nova]

maybe sub then?

[next edge]

Don't wanna be rude but if you find outlaw easy that early you might be doing a lot of mistakes that maybe you're not aware of

That or you're gifted

[terse otter]

good WA and everything u got on ur creen

i ahve one with sounds

so when i hear sound i know what to do

easy

[subtle tundra]

🧐

[terse otter]

it got submarine sound when blade flurry is going to fall, sound for rtb etc, its not that hard to be honest

[subtle tundra]

😐

[uncut echo]

Outlaw is widely considered to be one of the hardest specs in the entire game

It's super fast paced and really dynamic as to what you should press when

[terse otter]

ye but its not like u have to press 10 buttons in 1 sec, just normall build spend playstyle. Its fast paced yes, but i like it. I enjoyed afflock before so i think that ill enjoy Assasination 😛

this wa was even playing blade flurry sound when second target appeared in range. Really usefull thats why i think that things become easier

[next edge]

Ewwww

If you say so....

[royal lantern]

tbf, its hard for another ability to be #1 dps in aoe, when the entire aoe kit is "you cleave now with blade flurry"

[terse otter]

what u guys find hard in outlaw ? u gut literally 1 rotation to master, maybe just tracking severall buffs, but nothing more i can think of. Anyway ill try assa when im home and hope ill enjoy it

[terse otter]

Yes, thats why i dont rly like it, i dont like this idea. Sin got as much stuns/kicks as outlaw i hope ?

[royal lantern]

outlaw is more reactive gameplay, assa and sub is more align stuff

non of those are harder or more easy

its both different

[uncut echo]

There's not a rotation for outlaw, it's super reaction based

It's a mental priority list that changes constantly while basically being permalusted

Shit's turbobrain

[terse otter]

i played enh whole shadolands, im fine with slapping keys 😄

just saw one guys is streaming keys in beta as Sin, looks cool !

and he pumps

[royal lantern]

tbf, as assa in keys you need to remember that you dont really have the big frontloaded dmg

so it can feel weak in lower keys where stuff dies fast

[fair hatch]

How far is assa behind outlaw in dragonflight

[spice spire]

False, gabagool spec

[spice spire]

Ahead in st, little bit behind everywhere else

[royal lantern]

for st, its ahead a good bit, for aoe assa is good now, not insane, but good

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/sopranos-gabagool-tony-therapy-gif-26084338

[spice spire]

That’s what I’m saying man lol

[terse otter]

and what if theres like 2target cleave raid ? who would be ahead ?

[royal lantern]

outlaw

[terse otter]

fck blade flurry 😄 im in HC raiding/doing m+15-20 keys guild so i can play what i enjoy

[gusty mirage]

based

always play what you enjoy more

[terse otter]

most time im hogher in charts than my meta guildmates anyway so ill be fine 😄

[gusty mirage]

[terse otter]

Sin = 2 daggers right ?

nevermind, just changed spec 😄

[gusty mirage]

si

[silver quiver]

I am confusion.

[terse otter]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)

[terse otter]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[silver quiver]

Does it go to 40 or what.

it says "now also" which confuses me.

[gusty mirage]

shiv normally doesn't give you the nature damage amp

improved shiv modifies shiv to give it to you

[silver quiver]

That's not how the tooltip reads though. Thank you.

[gusty mirage]

yeah tooltips are often scuffed

you'd have to untalent improved shiv

and it in theory shouldn't show it

[silver quiver]

Gotcha. Tysm:)

[gusty mirage]

[silver quiver]

monkey

[gusty mirage]

apes strong together

which should be RH's motto

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueDragonflight (Luxthos's Group)

[keen viper]

is there a good elvui profile that you recommend?

[gusty mirage]

I'm personally a big fan of atrocity's, but it is paywalled behind a twitch sub

I know whispyr has his floating around somewhere

[uncut echo]

Paywall cringe :(

[gusty mirage]

I just save my twitch prime for it

:3

[silver quiver]

do we have a macro as sin like this?
#showtooltip Sinister Strike
/cast [stealth] Ambush; Backstab
/cast [nostealth] Sinister Strike
I'm used to playing outlaw but I want to bleed someone.

Basically I'm wondering if there is a spell we use to open but not otherwise that I can bind to be one key while stealthed and one key while not.

[green harbor]

you open with garrote always, so not sure you'd want that, cause you'll use garrote outside of stealth too

[silver quiver]

That basically answers my question.

So ambush is essentially useless except for a super niche situation where my target already has garrote?

[uncut echo]

Blindside, a talent we take procs out of stealth ambushes for free

[silver quiver]

Copy that. tyvm.

[alpine latch]

Just ran a key as Sin and it felt absolutely awful... ugh

[subtle tundra]

[terse otter]

oh boy im so lost with those new skills on my bar 😄 Are there any decent youtubers with their guides for assasin ?

[gusty mirage]

prepatch content will be super limited

[viscid spear]

Just have fun

[steep locust]

lol been a while since i've tried sin rogue.... feels foreign

[cerulean nest]

anyone have a good range checker weakaura for target counts

[limber dagger]

quick question that popped up when i read the new pin, what is "capstone"?

[gusty mirage]

the ending points on the talent tree

these three bad boys

[limber dagger]

oh, why call it capstone?

[copper hazel]

noun. a finishing stone of a structure. the crowning achievement, point, element, or event.

[limber dagger]

ah TIL

thanks! :)

[copper hazel]

essentially the last talents in the tree are considered the "strongest" or "best"

[main urchin]

how do you open on a pack, get SnD up asap and then pop cooldowns ?

im completely new to sin. i have only played the other two specs really

[nocturne current]

Depends.. Single target or multi-target?

[main urchin]

pack

[eager sorrel]

Assuming m+

Garrote casters from stealth to help group, SnD, vanish/meld/dance IC garrote, fan, rupture, fan, tempest then pick the most dangerous or highest health target and funnel with kingsbane/exsang ST rotation stuff.

[main urchin]

aoe

[gusty mirage]

3x garrote into snd

unless you're playing IC

[rapid tree]

Do we even use FoK in our aoe rotation?

Or just prioritize a target and mut them then CT

[nocturne current]

I open IC > Garrote > Fans > Rupture > Fans > Crimons > Fans > SND

SnD the last thing I care in AoE

[eager sorrel]

Feels bad waiting for everything to get grouped

[gusty mirage]

ye

[rapid tree]

dope thank you guys

[gusty mirage]

[pine grove]

Phew. This is a lot to come back to after a big break. Think I need to find a passive build to get warmed up with.

[gusty mirage]

ye its def overwhelming

and unfortunately we can't play with our passive capstone until level 70

[pine grove]

Aww nuts. That looks like a nice warm up.

[eager sorrel]

M+ is still open on beta ;)

[subtle tundra]

assa FUCKS

fucking sucks
!~!!!
!
!
!

[copper hazel]

tell em 👑

[gusty mirage]

dw you can always play outlaw

[main urchin]

Damn where can i find what these acronyms mean, not sure what FoK is

[gusty mirage]

fan of knives

[main urchin]

Ah

ty

[gusty mirage]

soon we'll have a list of them in #assassination-faq 🙂

so don't worry about it too much

[main urchin]

sweet. thanks

[slim hamlet]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/glossary-terms there is also this

[subtle kiln]

@spice spire @gusty mirage

[marble hemlock]

[subtle tundra]

i will be mean to you

[subtle kiln]

just wait til Ronkels makes it permanent

[sturdy merlin]

I need this icon on my UI ingame

[subtle kiln]

I can probably export it

sec

@sturdy merlin

back up your original just incase

[sturdy merlin]

Where do i put this, into the Interface folder ?

[subtle kiln]

../interface/Icons/ and then your WA should look like it

otherwise look at stuff like clean icons

and then replace the one they had

[torpid spoke]

I was looking around, but this may be a dumb question… are there sims similar to the pinned post for all 3 specs?

[sturdy merlin]

Ty man i'm gonna try this icon

[subtle kiln]

welcome

[slim hamlet]

That profile pic is actually horrifying

[royal lantern]

just like exsang

🙂

[subtle kiln]

don’t hate. appreciate.

[timid cloud]

Should make it with that paperclip thingy from ages ago.

I forgot what it was, but y’all know what I’m talking about.

[subtle kiln]

clippy

[timid cloud]

Exsang & that paperclip guy aged just as horribly as you imagined, like milk.

[subtle kiln]

googly eyes

[gusty mirage]

not yet

once things settle down on the balancing side of things they'll start to roll in

the APL is still getting a ton of optimizations daily

[subtle kiln]

vs FIGHT!

[gusty mirage]

[subtle kiln]

[royal lantern]

something something snd

doggo

[gusty mirage]

[subtle kiln]

how to calm any arguments. post doggo emoji

[next edge]

Bring back your doge on avatar

[viscid spear]

[uncut echo]

[limber dagger]

do i use CT in ST?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[limber dagger]

even in the opener or do i skip it for the deathmark window?

[uncut echo]

That's depressing tbh

[balmy condor]

Even in opener

[meager granite]

I wish ct damage would scale up on the number of targets affecté. It would kinda solve the ST issue

[limber dagger]

how would i go on about this? Garrote > Mut > Rupture > DT > Shiv > Sepsis > Max CP > CT ?

[gusty mirage]

why

[balmy condor]

Idk why would you play sepsis and CT together but sure

[subtle tundra]

you dont talent it for ST, you use it if talented in ST

which uh i should do

[limber dagger]

idk i just tried stuff out, should i go venth for keys instead?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[subtle tundra]

you should wait 1 week until dragonflight

and not care

youre welcome

[balmy condor]

Or that

[subtle tundra]

[limber dagger]

what if

[slim hamlet]

best answer

[limber dagger]

i wanna play the right stuff even if its just for a week :)

weird concept i know

[balmy condor]

Then you’re kinda out of luck

[subtle tundra]

the right stuff is on outlaw

[balmy condor]

Cause we don’t care and don’t have level 60 builds

[candid geyser]

Outlaw is still right for DF S1 too tho

[limber dagger]

i didnt ask for a build i just asked about how i would go on about my opener and you pointed out how its weird to even have sepsis

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[limber dagger]

not sure how im out of luck here

[balmy condor]

It is

[subtle tundra]

it...is weird cause on the tree it competes with sbs which is miles better

[balmy condor]

I mean you said you wanted to play the best

I can tell you sepsis isn’t the best

[limber dagger]

appreciate it! :)

[balmy condor]

I don’t Know the full tree

[subtle kiln]

#subtlety has all the lvl 60 builds

the downfall is it does tank levels of dps

in prepatch

[spare crow]

it's not THAT bad

[subtle kiln]

it kinda is

[nocturne current]

Sepsis master race.

It's powered by dead night elves and bleau cheese vendors.

[dense herald]

not a fan of ct on ST, can see there being fights in the next raid where you take ct just because of a few intermittent adds for a bit extra dam (like mythic spider boss), i assume theres not much opportunity cost of taking it?

[nocturne current]

What's wrong with crimson in single target?

[oak sky]

Ct is lame in single target based fights but like

[nocturne current]

Why?

[oak sky]

In a fight where i take ct i dont mind maintaining it

Its an aoe finisher

Why should i be talenting it in st

[nocturne current]

It's a finisher.

[balmy condor]

it's an aoe finisher

[nocturne current]

It's a finisher.

[balmy condor]

yes

an aoe one

[hollow river]

[violet jackal]

I’ve grown to like it in single target

[oak sky]

You like black powder in st hyperfox?

[nocturne current]

AoE involves single target too.

Just not the other way around.

[balmy condor]

yeah you're right

guess fire mage should flamestrike in single target

[night delta]

Single target doesn't involve AoE though

which CT is

[balmy condor]

and sub should black powder single target

[nocturne current]

CT affects multiple enemies. 1 or more.

[balmy condor]

outlaw should just blade flurry I guess

[drifting light]

Are we getting to another a buff to zero is not a buff situation?

[oak sky]

Feral primal wrath in st

Very pog

[balmy condor]

why not multi-shot in single target as well

[nocturne current]

If it does more damage, who cares.

[oak sky]

Design

Cares

What

[balmy condor]

people who aren't hyperfixated on a number on warcraftlogs

[subtle tundra]

assa goes hard

[nocturne current]

So when you play FPS's you only use a shotgun if there's 2 enemies or more so the other pellets aren't wasted?

[balmy condor]

how is that even comparable

[oak sky]

Rifles are literally better for spraydowns lmao

What are you saying

[night delta]

TIL shotguns are useless at close range if there's a single target

not only you are way off mark

but even your analogies fall flat

[balmy condor]

are you trying to purposely be some devil's advocate

[subtle kiln]

here’s a cute doge picture.

[balmy condor]

there is no way you believe this

[subtle kiln]

[balmy condor]

right

surely

[slim hamlet]

I mean we complaining that IC does legit nothing in ST (as in we want aoe spells to atleast be usefull in ST when talented) but we dont want to have to use CT in ST, or am i misunderstanding?

[nocturne current]

Just don't see what people's issue is with a finisher that works in single target that happens to hit multiple enemies too.

[subtle kiln]

this is what happens when you’re S Tier on max’s stream

[balmy condor]

because that's whack ass design of a gameplay loop

[night delta]

CT doesn't "happen" to hit multiple ennemies

[slim hamlet]

I know IC being a cd makes it a bit different but still

[grim tangle]

I don't like my CT keybind so I don't like pressing it

[night delta]

IT'S ITS PURPOSE

[nocturne current]

Why? It's nothing like Envenom.

[night delta]

Poison bomb, does, indeed, happen to be AoE

and also something that triggers off of a ST ability

[oak sky]

It only works in st because its a bleed, but its only a bleed because half our spec is based on bleeds, that doesnt make it different than other aoe spenders

Is starfall in st good design?

Its basically a dot

[night delta]

the problem isn't that IC on its own does nothing for ST

[subtle kiln]

do you press BP for Sub as a ST finisher?

[night delta]

it's that we have to sacrifice a LOT of ST to get it

[balmy condor]

no, IC shouldn't do single target. That whole discussion is about talenting IC over another capstone is a big single target loss. That's a cost/benefit assessment, not a "we want this button to do single target"

[nocturne current]

I don't see what's the issue that an ability that is best for single target also wouldn't work in AoE.

[slim hamlet]

Ah ok, that makes more sence then

Thought you wanted IC to be pressable in st too

[balmy condor]

god no

[night delta]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-hell-no-gif-24718703

[subtle tundra]

uwu

[balmy condor]

I mean that's probably hyperfox's wet dream since it applies rupture and garrote and those are single target abilities

but any sane person would say no

[subtle kiln]

[slim hamlet]

I feel like this class discord aint sane

So not a valid argument

[candid geyser]

IC - your next garrote and rupture will apply to an additional 7 nearby targets. if additional targets do not exist, the next garrote and rupture will be duplicated up to 7x on your current target.

lmao

[subtle kiln]

we don’t do feels here

[slim hamlet]

oh

ok

[balmy condor]

gaem dehsighn

[candid geyser]

lolol

[slim hamlet]

Enormous brain

and completely balanced too

[subtle kiln]

[ebon notch]

wait thats sick

i want that

[candid geyser]

then you deathmark... for 16 garrotes and 16 tuptures

[night delta]

sick in the head yes

[candid geyser]

THEN YOU EXSANG

[uncut echo]

No you dont

[ebon notch]

EXSANG 27 BLEEDS

[slim hamlet]

click that + exsang in pvp

[balmy condor]

HUGE

[slim hamlet]

yep

[ebon notch]

MOB BLOWS UP

THE RESULTING EXPLOSION DOES AOE DAMAGE FROM THE SHEER FORCE OF BLEEDING

[uncut echo]

What is this meme

[slim hamlet]

Literally obliterates the floor under it

[ebon notch]

what meme?

[ebon notch]

breaking through the stage like a tekken match

[nocturne current]

If it was the same or similar to envenom and had the advantage of AoE on top of envenom that would be lazy and pointless, but it's two completely different abilities.

[slim hamlet]

No meming

[night delta]

creates a blood puddle ennemies slip'n slide on

[ebon notch]

me after i slip and slide in a blood puddle

[candid geyser]

Sin has good choices for AOE or ST focus. Don't like it? Play Outlaw. No Choices - just more dam, ST and/or AOE.

[uncut echo]

I want free cleave like EVERY other clads

Ty

[slim hamlet]

They fall and hurt their back, cant stand up = CC'd rest of the dung

easy

[ebon notch]

just give assa blade flurry

and it would sort all their problems

like instantly

[uncut echo]

Bleed flurry

[balmy condor]

correct, it is two different abilities, designed for two different circumstances. So why should we use CT in a situation where we want to envenom?

[night delta]

get a 1s stun everytime you try to do anything

including move

[slim hamlet]

Would it tho

[ebon notch]

ye cause you hit everything with envenom and shit

and rupture

and garrote

[slim hamlet]

So just omega boring

[subtle kiln]

You know how some people say that math is “mental abuse to humans”? Well, lemme tell you one thing: “Math” is an abbreviation for “mathematics”, so you’re only looking at 36% of the whole thing. What does the other 64% stand for? It stands for “except mostly at truly intelligently cool students”! That means, if you think math is mentally abusing you, you’re not truly intelligent or cool! You’re dumb and lame! So the next time someone gives you the first 36% of this ridiculous acronym, give them the other 64%. Don’t forget to tell them that they suck at etymology.

[ebon notch]

assa aoe is already omega boring wdym

[uncut echo]

Wow's boring wdym

[night delta]

k imma copy that pasta

[slim hamlet]

Keeping this pasta

[ebon notch]

[nocturne current]

So what's the issue of having an ability that would [Give +10% agility + Enable Auto Cleave]. And you would just toggle the ability in single target for the agility boost.

It isn't lazy game design, it's just an ability which you use half of it.

[slim hamlet]

I mean yeah

but