assassination

[obtuse robin]

eon shenanigans all over again

[balmy condor]

and then men in black flash the entire discord

no one is allowed to know of this

[vestal wren]

shuriken tornado does get silent storm crit for example

but does not consume it

[subtle tundra]

whatever that means

[balmy condor]

does tornado consume cb?

[vestal wren]

no practical use tho

[balmy condor]

actually forget I asked

don't check

you don't have to do that

[vestal wren]

the ticks or the initial cast

i assume the initial cast does

but the ticks shouldn't

oh ye on the not so fun side

if you use cb before secet

the first hit of secret does not get cb, neither the clones

but it gets consumed

[bold drum]

cb

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-swim-in-milk-cat-kitty-milk-milk-cat-gif-23473453

my honest reaction

to this information

[vestal wren]

tbh

do you want a potential sin tech for cb?

[balmy condor]

no

I'm good

[vestal wren]

its a freebee for you

[balmy condor]

that's okay

I'll let you have that one

I think we're all set on buttons

sin is looking a-o-k

[vestal wren]

what if you cb - wait, once you have all your dots set up

[balmy condor]

stop simming

[vestal wren]

because CB makes all of them crit

as long as it isn't consumed

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

just pretend cb is not real

[balmy condor]

they fixed that

like

2 months ago

[vestal wren]

they did?

[balmy condor]

is it back

[vestal wren]

[balmy condor]

[vestal wren]

letme check

[steel ridge]

does your DTB profile take 1 point in Zoldyck?

[balmy condor]

it do

[steel ridge]

and SBS is probably in both DTB and KB profiles, because it so gud

[balmy condor]

you can tell cause it says 1/3

[vestal wren]

okay, it does not work

[next arch]

What, you take 1 point in zoldyck?

[subtle tundra]

whatever that means

[vestal wren]

lame

[balmy condor]

PFEW

SAFE

[balmy condor]

yeah so if you look at the dtb tree in the pins

this says 1/3

which means 1 point

I know

that's insane

[next arch]

So, only one point?

[balmy condor]

yeah

so if it were two points right

it would say 2/3

and since 2 comes after 1

[next arch]

and 3?

[steel ridge]

uh lul

[subtle tundra]

thats fucking genius

[balmy condor]

that would be more

than 1 point

3 points would be higher than 2

[next arch]

How does that work>?

[balmy condor]

because 3 comes after 2

[next arch]

ACTUALLY

[charred wraith]

im confused, could you like, explain again?

[balmy condor]

yeah okay so like zoldyck

is after blindside

and the dtb build

[next arch]

Zol-what?

[vestal wren]

tornado, just to confirm does consume cb on the initial cast

[balmy condor]

takes 1 (one) [a single] [uno] point

into that zoldyck

[next arch]

Uno is a game isnt it?

[balmy condor]

yeah

it's a game

where you try to get 1 card

to put into zoldyck

[next arch]

OH, so we want one card in zol?

[subtle tundra]

whispar ga sleep you seem irritated

[vestal wren]

even worse, even ticks consume cb

[charred wraith]

i thought everybody had uno, it comes free with an xbox

[vestal wren]

[balmy condor]

yeah it's hearthstone rules

1 mana 1/3

[vestal wren]

so no cb tornado tech

[balmy condor]

[vestal wren]

we still have the silent storm tech

thats fine

actually

the silent storm tech could be good with vanish

[balmy condor]

[vestal wren]

well sry, went a bit off topic

back to jucy execute sims from whispyr

[winter moss]

is spec x better than spec y

[balmy condor]

scale_to_itemlevel=900

juicy

does that even work

I assume there's a cap

on how high the ilvl can go

[bold drum]

the sky is the ceiling

[vestal wren]

should work

[balmy condor]

and I guess the cap is not 900

okay

well

we keep going I guess

[subtle tundra]

[vestal wren]

it is probably a grow function

[balmy condor]

either raidbots will overflow

or simc will puke

[dense cedar]

gotta see that 1bil dps

[marble meteor]

it's like playing D3

[balmy condor]

okay so 1500 is too high

[vestal wren]

probably goes to 999

[balmy condor]

yah I'm trying 1000

[subtle tundra]

noob

[bold drum]

not even 1001

[balmy condor]

O

1000 works

maybe it doesn't go to a billion dps?

[spice spire]

So true bestie

[dense cedar]

Maybe other specs reach it at that ilvl

[balmy condor]

wait

I don't get it

what's the cutoff

[dense cedar]

hell yeah

[iron orchid]

a power of 2

[vestal wren]

2,147,483,647 would be the max for integer

[iron orchid]

probably

[balmy condor]

yeah I guess int overflow

[vestal wren]

so could be that it does not go higher than that

[balmy condor]

is the cutoff

okay new challenge

can I be RIGHT under int overflow

great margin of error btw

[iron orchid]

only .05%

[balmy condor]

so uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

now what

[subtle tundra]

so cool

[dense cedar]

didn't get the dimmed wind

[vestal wren]

could be 4,294,967,295 too if it is unsigned int

btw.

[balmy condor]

aight we keep going

[spice spire]

Y tho

[balmy condor]

[subtle tundra]

to beat the outlaw in m+

[balmy condor]

KNOWLEDGE MR QUAKE

[vestal wren]

whispyr wants to make a patreon

and needs some pictures to make ppl curios what he did to sim 2B dps

[balmy condor]

aight fuu

[spice spire]

Bro legitimately it’s too early for this brand of nonsense

[balmy condor]

what's next

[spice spire]

[vestal wren]

diffrent data type

XD

[balmy condor]

LONG?

[spice spire]

He should have spent 30 minutes talking rogue yesterday then

[subtle tundra]

i dont have money to give him

[balmy condor]

the 30 min rogue talk is a patreon exclusive

[subtle tundra]

i romanian poor

[balmy condor]

okay well we know 1500 is too high

so we just keep going

[vestal wren]

double, but that should be way to high

[balmy condor]

until it breaks

okay

even higher

[vestal wren]

double would be

[balmy condor]

op

1400 broke

[vestal wren]

1.8 x 10^308

[balmy condor]

we try 1337

[subtle tundra]

thats more than 100

[balmy condor]

for the meme

[vestal wren]

so ~2 with 308 zeroes

[balmy condor]

1337 is not 1337

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

have you seen our rupture DPE battle

that started this

okay so 1301 doesn't work either

it just hard stops at 1300

weird

[dense cedar]

1300 cap

excited for 12.0

[crisp cipher]

Sorry I just woke up and trying to follow but can't. What's that value?

[spice spire]

No and honestly, I’m not sure I’m awake enough for this

[dense cedar]

dumb bs, don't worry

[balmy condor]

me cranking the item level until raidbots pukes

we're at 1300 ilvl

[vestal wren]

we try to scale item level up, and see when the sim breaks

or well whispyr

[balmy condor]

PoV Sub rogue in cleave

[crisp cipher]

lmaoo have at it

[vestal wren]

[dense cedar]

u know how u mentioned how busted dtb + another capstone would be

[balmy condor]

also can we get them to change the label on the graph to 1B for Billions

[dense cedar]

what could possibly be their plan for next expansion then other then gutting our tree

[balmy condor]

I get that G is scientific and all

but ain't no one use that

[subtle tundra]

g means what

[balmy condor]

fixing the garbage that still exists

[subtle tundra]

why g

[vestal wren]

wdym, thats the si system

[balmy condor]

yeah

I know

I don't like it

[balmy condor]

G means giga

so like a kilogram

[vestal wren]

imperial unit enjoyer

[balmy condor]

is 1000 grams

[dense cedar]

G means good

1 good amount of damage

[subtle tundra]

oh giga! giga shit!

[balmy condor]

and a megagram is 1,000,000 grams

and a gigagram is 1,000,000,000 grams

[dense herald]

so whisp, in opener you dot -> exang -> DM right?

[subtle tundra]

yea like gigabyte

yes

[balmy condor]

yes

smart

[balmy condor]

yes

[spice spire]

Isn’t g gigasick?

[balmy condor]

GIGASICK

[dense cedar]

excited to watch people

[dense cedar]

DM > Exsang

[subtle tundra]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[dense cedar]

tasty gameplay

[subtle tundra]

DELETE THAT FUU

[vestal wren]

why

[subtle tundra]

reminds me of physics

i dont like

[dense cedar]

dw

physics aren't real

they can't hurt you

[vestal wren]

^ vansolo is right

[balmy condor]

aight something that always pissed me off, everyone uses milliliters and liters and sometimes deciliters, but NEVER CENTILITERS

CENTILITERS ARE FAKE

THEY DO NOT EXIST

[vestal wren]

there are real things that can hurt you, lik EXSANG

[subtle tundra]

exsang wont be real for much longer.

realz confirmed its getting deleted

[dense cedar]

[spice spire]

You’ve convinced me to go back to sleep. Gn mister Vhispyr

[spice spire]

That isn’t what I’d confirm but go off

[subtle tundra]

you know

[dense herald]

so question, if you were to choose one or the other, is it better to let the dots of exang run out and then reapply (and risk having dots fall off for a second/global during DM)? or would it be safer to clip it and refresh it early. obviously in the perfect world it would be better to refresh perfectly as the exanguinated dots fall off, but im just aware that you could possibly be sitting on capped energy trying to line this up pedantically

[subtle tundra]

i do like spreading misinformation

[dense herald]

hope that makes sense

[dense cedar]

why is this impossible to read

[dense herald]

i can try re write if it doesnt make sense

[dense cedar]

i think im just stupid

[dense herald]

well i know im stupid

[subtle tundra]

whispyr has experience reading non comprehensible sentences

[dense cedar]

im here just to make inflammatory balance suggestions to people who don't know me well enough yet

[vestal wren]

so, i have this ruler...

[balmy condor]

I will answer this in the most smug way possible by saying that you can clip the dots on exsang as long as the remaining time on them is equivalent or lower than 2 times the time it requires you to reapply the dots after they drop

[dense cedar]

did u just take this pic?

[subtle tundra]

rulers are made by the government. they are not real

[balmy condor]

BANGER ruler

[vestal wren]

[balmy condor]

I love centimeters

[subtle tundra]

speaking of rulers i fucking lost mine

[dense cedar]

powerful fuu

[subtle tundra]

where tf is my ruler

i needed it yesterday

[balmy condor]

where is your centiliter ruler

[dense cedar]

why are there like

4 spots for primal storms

[subtle tundra]

ok

search ended. ruler behind desk

[dense cedar]

but enemies only spawn at the same one

[subtle tundra]

found it

[dense cedar]

each cycle

[opaque sky]

My server has earth,. fire and water up atm

[subtle tundra]

my ruler doesnt have a unit of measurement. what if its in km?????

[balmy condor]

there's different types?

[dense cedar]

i think regions are shared

[dense cedar]

4

[balmy condor]

is there a reason for me to care about that

[opaque sky]

Maybe you can cross-realm to get all 4 elements earlier than normal?

Heirloom trinkets

[balmy condor]

oh

so there is no reason for me to care

gotcha

[opaque sky]

Usually broken for prepatch/leveling in df

They're usually over tuned as hell

[dense cedar]

afaik primal storms are region synced

cos i've got the same one's as you

[balmy condor]

they definitely are region synced

[opaque sky]

Are you EU van?

[dense cedar]

god no

[opaque sky]

Well we shouldnt have different ones then

[dense cedar]

its actually very easy to tell what region im from

[faint harness]

@balmy condor i use CL all the time 🙂

[dense cedar]

since I play alliance

[balmy condor]

very based

[opaque sky]

It might be server based storms then

[balmy condor]

more people should be using centiliters

[faint harness]

Centiliter is how we used to measure coke cans, not sure what happened

Now its 330 ML

[opaque sky]

Just get the server hop addon thing and farm the invasions you need

[faint harness]

Used to just say 33 CL

Idk dumb world

[dense cedar]

i've gotten the fire rock so far

[balmy condor]

but it's region?

[dense cedar]

but had terrible luck with the storm one

not sure waht the drop % is

[spice spire]

More big sub propaganda Smdh

[balmy condor]

sweden is beginning to sound more and more based

[dense cedar]

i think in the 2 hours i got

[opaque sky]

@dense cedar Which primal elements do you see right now?

[dense cedar]

6 or 7 attempts

[opaque sky]

There should be 3

[faint harness]

[opaque sky]

One in badlands, one in ungoro one in barrens

[dense cedar]

Water Barrens
Fire Un'goro
Earth Badlands

[spice spire]

[opaque sky]

Oh wait, I just remembered you have to go convert trisfal back to normal to see the 4th

[balmy condor]

[dense cedar]

lol

that's so dumb

my only teleport to get close to there is on my rogue rippo

[opaque sky]

Join an uldaman group that isnt queueing for it and walking like heathens

Get summoned

[thorn crater]

Uhm question. How do I blacklist/add options on talents on raidbots? I just click on copy that is on the active talent tree and remove talents? Or is there another way

[opaque sky]

Leave

[dense cedar]

that's uh, not close at all

[opaque sky]

Lol the bots are advertising the https://www.wowhead.com/item=199686/unstable-elemental-confluence?bonus=0 heirloom trinket for $500

Oh you're trying to get to trisfal

You're alliance that's right*

[balmy condor]

tick the box and then right click to exclude

[dense cedar]

i usually use the ravenholdt scroll to get to that area

[thorn crater]

And I just leave options open on talents?

And it will automatically generate the optimal?

[balmy condor]

yep

[thorn crater]

Ty

[balmy condor]

it'll try to allocate the best it can

based on what you disabled

[opaque sky]

@dense cedarOld dalaran teleport then fly? :^)

[dense cedar]

true

[thorn crater]

It says over 10k combos and doesn’t let me. Even though I have 300k space for combinations

[opaque sky]

What did mythic +15 gear get scaled to itemlevel wise

[thorn crater]

Weird

[opaque sky]

Trying to understand the ilvl squish

[thorn crater]

Nvm I get it now

I see the problem Ty

[balmy condor]

yes, 10k combos would be 50million iterations

oh

yeah

[dense cedar]

baby numbers

[thorn crater]

I mean I just wanna see if I move the PB and SBS points to zoldyck + shs

[balmy condor]

each combo need 5k iterations because it needs to check for accuracy, so if you have 300k iterations, you could do 60 combos

[thorn crater]

And I didn’t wanna bother people with stupid preparxh things

[balmy condor]

why not just copy and then make the tree

[thorn crater]

Just add all the trees?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[thorn crater]

Kk Ty

[balmy condor]

but I guarantee you

any kingsbane tree

is going to crush

dusk is too powerful

[dense cedar]

i hope we getting echoing blades again

i like the audio it causes

[balmy condor]

yeah

good luck

[dense cedar]

still my most cursed ask is expose armour in the class tree

[balmy condor]

?????

that's just find weakness brother

[steel ridge]

weird take

[dense cedar]

we should have both

[balmy condor]

okay

and then sin takes neither

[steel ridge]

[balmy condor]

good choice

[dense cedar]

that's fine with me 😌

[balmy condor]

we already don't take a third of the class tree

you're insane

[steel ridge]

even sub wants to skip FW in the tree in theory xD

it might aswell be in the outlaw tree

[subtle tundra]

youre a sub, not me!

[balmy condor]

class tree is just a mess

dance on class tree is a disaster

[subtle tundra]

make MA 100% crit

so we take sd

[balmy condor]

dance would still be bad

[subtle tundra]

fick

[balmy condor]

MA 100% crit might not even compete with exsang

[dense cedar]

100% MA would be kinda confusing with the current version of sin tbh

[balmy condor]

if I'm being honest

[drifting cloud]

varas bent

[dense cedar]

since we want to garrote from stealth anyways

[balmy condor]

yeah

but it works with dance

so you get 6 seconds of big

[thorn crater]

I mean ST sim zoldyck will always overpower the rest due to its nature right

[dense cedar]

100% MA in Legion was for fast tracking your opener with mut

then vanishing with ur kb

well

not for the kb hit

but u know waht i mean

[drifting cloud]

if you were skilled you procced poison bomb in vanish window

[dense cedar]

exactly

Legion sin was very sensible

[balmy condor]

now I'm interested though

[dense cedar]

do kinda miss the speedy mutilate gameplay a bit

[subtle tundra]

hi interested though

[dense cedar]

but current garrote is much better

fits sin's whole deal

[balmy condor]

what if MA was 100%

[subtle tundra]

i wish i had nitro to send weird emotes

poor romanian

[balmy condor]

L country I guess

[subtle tundra]

maybe for christmas

[dense cedar]

it'd make exsang very exciting

wait

[subtle tundra]

discord gives for free

[dense cedar]

was AP and Exsang on the same row in Legion

[balmy condor]

yes

[dense cedar]

explains a lot

i'll never get over AP

what an interesting design choice

[drifting cloud]

wasnt AP nerfed in like nighthold

[subtle tundra]

i love damage increases !!!!!

it was like deleted

[dense cedar]

ToS iirc

[subtle tundra]

oh it was 7 2 5 it was deleted

[drifting cloud]

oh yeah I remember exorsus rogues didnt even play it on wf guldan

[dense cedar]

ah misremembering

[drifting cloud]

but that was by choice, it was still busted then

[dense cedar]

good choice tho

oh

[drifting cloud]

I dont remember the reasoning

[dense cedar]

but yeah

good they got rid of AP

from the game

[drifting cloud]

probably swapping to adds and shit

[dense cedar]

makes sense

it did need ramp

tho not thaat much

since envenom

[thorn crater]

So i barely deal 14k dps on a doll with 290 Ilvl and double eon

Without covenant set ofc

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/frankly-thats-a-skill-issue-hazzikostas-ion-ion-hazzikostas-skill-issue-gif-21595688

[thorn crater]

Have I forgotten how to play or is it normal? :p

Ye

I thought so

[dense cedar]

do u have poisons on

[thorn crater]

No Kb though

[dense cedar]

wait why no kb

[subtle tundra]

idk buddy who cares about prepatch

[thorn crater]

It’s not about caring about preparxh

It’s about not having played sin in about 4 years

[dense cedar]

it has uh

not changed

[thorn crater]

And rogue in 3

[subtle tundra]

just play at level 70

not 60

[thorn crater]

Doesn’t have to do with whether it has changed

Ye I guess Ure right

[dense cedar]

i'd suggest using a build with kb in it

if u wanna mess around at 60

its a fun button

[thorn crater]

So we take KB now

Thought we took PB

[subtle tundra]

[thorn crater]

Like I said I haven’t played at all lol

[dense cedar]

@balmy condor you've been telling people some cursed info

[balmy condor]

the fuck you pinging me for

[dense cedar]

u wrote the pre-patch guide

must be ur doing

[balmy condor]

brother leave me alone

[subtle tundra]

why mfd

you bad?

[balmy condor]

because flag

[dense cedar]

[subtle tundra]

[balmy condor]

do you understand what a starter build is

[subtle tundra]

dont play a covenant

[dense cedar]

im guessing this is where he got it from tho

[balmy condor]

okay and

[dense cedar]

i rescind my violence against you

[balmy condor]

can't even write a fucking prepatch guide without getting pinged

hate this planet

[subtle tundra]

go dnd

[drifting cloud]

13 more days

[subtle tundra]

go invisible

[balmy condor]

I would still get pinged

dumbass

[subtle tundra]

and ignore them

[dense cedar]

the red dot is very strong

[dense cedar]

💢

[vestal wren]

close discord

[subtle tundra]

wsispar

[drifting cloud]

where prepatch opener

[balmy condor]

I will shit in anyones mouth on the spot if they start talking about prepatch

I will die on this hill

[subtle tundra]

wow.....

[dense cedar]

should put that in the pins

[balmy condor]

follow the builds or don't

idc

neither should you

it's prepatch

stop asking

[thorn crater]

Sigh and that’s why I haven’t asked anything I just want a feel@for the spec before release without doing potato single digit dmg

[balmy condor]

you can get a feel for it

that's what the builds are for

[thorn crater]

I know

[subtle tundra]

then just talent things and play with them without looking at dps

[brazen zodiac]

dont threaten me with a good time

[thorn crater]

I’m just asking if it is a play style error if it is normal dps

Cause I have no clue

[balmy condor]

if you don't want to do potato single digit damage, you can do so by getting gear that isn't trash, swapping to outlaw, and paddings motes

/simc, go quick sim, target dummy

[subtle tundra]

buddy like its prepatch numbers are all over the place

[balmy condor]

is number close to your number?

then probably good

[brazen zodiac]

hi varas

[thorn crater]

How would I know if I’m making mistakes if I don’t have an average as a Benchmark

[balmy condor]

if very far away

no good

[subtle tundra]

how are we supposed to know what youre doing if its good or not

those numbers dont mean shit

[thorn crater]

Ok

[balmy condor]

compare to a sim

[thorn crater]

I feel like this got out of control

I didn’t ping anyone I just asked a (dumb apaently ) question

[dense cedar]

Sorry about the ping Whispyr

[balmy condor]

this is a thing

you can do

[dense cedar]

wasn't trying to push your buttons

[balmy condor]

do this

it's the only thing

that can accurately tell you

I can't do the math in my head whether 2 eon 187.2435 ilevel no cache double passive trinket 3 heirloom night fae bloodfang legendary should be doing 12.5k or 12.6k

no one can

[dense cedar]

spacetauren moment

[thorn crater]

Bruh

I didn’t even ask you though

[balmy condor]

I know

I'm informing you how to find out

whether it's good

or not

[night delta]

I feel attacked

[balmy condor]

and telling you why humans cannot answer for you

[subtle tundra]

i bet i can do more than you

[dense cedar]

annoyance is at me, info is for you. dw about it

[dense cedar]

[night delta]

Look, knowing stat weights differences at 4k stats overall and 8k stats overall is VERY IMPORTANT OKAY

[drifting cloud]

you know whats more important

[dense cedar]

im just happy that we're projected to take blindside at 70

[drifting cloud]

stat weights on 15s mob lvling sim

just ask whispyr

[dense cedar]

probably one of the more fun simple talents

[balmy condor]

I might explode

[dense cedar]

gonna say all crit

[night delta]

Agreed, breaking up that mut mut env routine

[subtle tundra]

mut mut mut envenom

[drifting cloud]

was that the lowest point being a sb whispyr

(you cant say its now)

[night delta]

Lottery moment

[dense cedar]

Nightmare

[night delta]

No crit

[balmy condor]

oh no that was the lowest by far

[dense cedar]

wait

someone actually asked that?

[subtle tundra]

whisp have you played around with ct in ds anymore?

[drifting cloud]

if you have bad rng and your abilities dont crit, is crit even good for lvling

[subtle tundra]

please give me a short guide?

[balmy condor]

right now is just me being irate because prepatch is so fucking stupid for no reason other than blizzard wanting to smash two expansions together like a kid drooling over legos

[balmy condor]

maintain dot and chillin

[subtle tundra]

ty

im spamming it

🥰

[dense cedar]

was HoA active during Sl pre-patch?

can't remember at all

[night delta]

I think it was

[balmy condor]

I had a self-proclaimed "leveling speedrunner" ask me for a 15 second stat weight sim in order to get a pawn string he could use to pick the ideal items during his leveling speed run

[night delta]

It still technically is on every pre-SL content

[dense cedar]

this summons words to my lips i won't say

[balmy condor]

dw

I ripped him apart like a starved hyena over a deer carcass

[thorn crater]

Ok dummy sim says 13,9k so I guess I wasn’t doing everything wrong

Lol

[night delta]

Tbf, that's dedication to their craft

[next arch]

Do we use daggers at all?

[dense cedar]

No

[balmy condor]

he's still got the touch

[subtle tundra]

you play double folly in m+

[next arch]

YO

I miss folly so much

[night delta]

https://tenor.com/view/shad-shadiversity-get-stick-get-stick-gif-21571330

[next arch]

That was the axe from nazjatar right?

[subtle tundra]

any ST fok-kers

[next arch]

The naz raid

[dense cedar]

that fucking axe

Hate

[drifting cloud]

oh yeah didnt 1 guy link some logs withfolly once

[next arch]

I also miss Coral, I remember I got a titanforged tertiary stat coral.

[balmy condor]

you're gonna wanna kill skitra, and then when you're walking to hivemind, swap to double slappers and put on your finest EB azerite pieces

[dense cedar]

I think they should buff Cold Blood

[night delta]

Hated coral for the simple reason that I had to go back and farm it

[subtle tundra]

#subtlety go there

[balmy condor]

sometimes I wish you didn't come back

[dense cedar]

actually hurting my feelings with that one

[next arch]

I personally liked that, because it was content getting used again.

[balmy condor]

a simpler time

[drifting cloud]

oh its the og vansolo

[next arch]

not like recycled, but there was a reason to go back and play older stuff.

[balmy condor]

yes man

[subtle tundra]

wh

[night delta]

It was obsolete content being run into the ground and EVERYONE who went back went back for that trinket

[dense cedar]

ngl I was confused why i was talking about deathmark in June for a sec

[night delta]

It was absolute shitass

[next arch]

I didnt mind, but thats understandable.

[balmy condor]

vansolo is a ravenholdt legend you bite your tongue dogshit mplusser

[subtle tundra]

does he like outlaw?

[dense cedar]

I used to be a theorycrafter in this server actually

[subtle tundra]

@dense cedar do you like outlaw?

[dense cedar]

it only lasted like

2 minutes

but i technically was one

[subtle tundra]

answer

[dense cedar]

had the role n everything

[night delta]

Speedrun category

[subtle tundra]

answer the question

[drifting cloud]

wasnt saber a shadowblade

or cf

[dense cedar]

i don't negotiate with terrorists

[subtle tundra]

🫡

[balmy condor]

[drifting cloud]

[dense cedar]

this emote is so good

[subtle tundra]

dracthyr starts at lvl 1?

[dense cedar]

Yes

[subtle tundra]

not leveling one

[drifting cloud]

nah dude youre 60 in like 1h

[dense cedar]

nice hacks lol

[drifting cloud]

50-60 is so squished now you can do it under 1h in chromie

[dense cedar]

feel bad for toons stuck in SL leveling

[drifting cloud]

wait, cant you just leave or

[dense cedar]

might be literal misinformation

but i heard u can't

in another disc

[balmy condor]

hidden lore: ||saber asked for an unban a couple months ago||

[subtle tundra]

i was fucking lied to

its lvl 58

[dense cedar]

idk any saber people

must've missed their time in the sun

[balmy condor]

good

you don't want to

[drifting cloud]

do you remember tom

[dense cedar]

i hate liars

[subtle tundra]

@dense cedar i dont like you. you lied to me.

[dense cedar]

please don't be toxic

[subtle tundra]

there's only 1 person in this world that can lie to me

myself

[balmy condor]

damn

king shit

[night delta]

On the dracthyr name alignmrnt chart, you are chaotic evil

[drifting cloud]

tbh I dont even remember most of the saber lore, I just know hes a guy that should stay permad

[dense cedar]

that could be me tho

[drifting cloud]

unban flowi tho

[dense cedar]

perhaps that's why the lie happened

[balmy condor]

[dense cedar]

would make sense

[dapper turret]

[balmy condor]

anyway vansolo is a babe and also a boomer and he's great and varas isn't

/endrant on prepatch

don't make me do it again

[hallow crystal]

Xd

[dense cedar]

the the guidelines on this discord were followed

[subtle tundra]

🫃

[dense cedar]

i'd be banned and so would 50% of the people who have ever interacted with me

[dapper turret]

Don´t mind me, bored at work and just reading all the funny shit

[dense cedar]

like a true rogue

i spread a numbing poison on people's brains

[dense herald]

!bisprepatch

[balmy condor]

you're next kid

[dense cedar]

evil

[balmy condor]

dad?

[dense herald]

hahahahahahaa

[balmy condor]

idk

aren't you like 35 desti

[dense cedar]

tbh

[dense herald]

30 ye

[balmy condor]

yeah

[dense cedar]

I think they should've added corruptions to the pre-patch gear

[balmy condor]

dad

boomer

L

gonna die soon

[drifting cloud]

😵‍💫

[dense herald]

hey man stress kills

you might be in the dirt before me

[balmy condor]

god I fucking hope so

[dense cedar]

that's why we play assassination

sleepy times

[drifting cloud]

sorry to tell you assa is now high apm gameplay

[balmy condor]

57 apm mr vansolo

we are speed demons

[dense cedar]

the only thing i count as high apm is Legion Ret

[balmy condor]

nearing the fabled gcd cap

[dense cedar]

why the fuck did i ever let myself play that shit

[balmy condor]

brain damage

[dense cedar]

horrible pain

[balmy condor]

like all the other ret players

[dense cedar]

fuck Crusade

what a funny button

[night delta]

Got a friend who logged back a week ago for the first time in 2 months. First order of business... get dinars for his BiS

[dense cedar]

we have all this cool math n shit but mmo players truly have the smallest brains

[dapper turret]

ZUGG ZUGG

[balmy condor]

sick in the head

[night delta]

He a feral druid

[dense cedar]

?

[night delta]

(Pretty sick one at that)

[balmy condor]

yes

in the head

[dense cedar]

Feral druid is kinda pog

speaking of legion

[balmy condor]

medical attention required

[dense cedar]

legion feral

sicko spec

[dapper turret]

Warcraft 1 orc sounds

[dense cedar]

actually untrustworthy playerbase

[dense cedar]

didn't know warcraft 1 had orcs

TIL

[night delta]

Warcraft 1
Subtitle : Orcs and humans

[dapper turret]

It is ok, The game is called Orcs and Humans

ohh lol

[dense cedar]

seems a bit too on the nose imo

[night delta]

Clearly misdirection

Couldn't wait for Warcraft 3 : Orcs and Humans and Undead and Elves back in the day

[dense cedar]

I wonder if they are making a warcraft 5

[dapper turret]

VR maybe?

[night delta]

Yeah sure, they skipped warcraft 4. Worried everyone would just call it Wacraft iv

[dense cedar]

oh right

sin channel

uhhhh

Should I use rupture at 4 cp if i run Deeper strat?

[untold mortar]

guys, if we wanna minmax of doom. which race we choose for sin?

[dense cedar]

faction?

[night delta]

Tauren / Black iron last I heard

[dense cedar]

nelf is is secret op

shadowmeld insane utility for ignoring mechanics

[sturdy merlin]

Idk if this is a serious question or not, but the last time i heard of this question it has been proven that it wasn't a loss. It was during 9.2 tho, maybe it will be different for df

[night delta]

However if you run exsang, you should try to put up a max rup just before

[dense cedar]

we really should be calling them "execute" phases tbh

Warriors don't deserve such recognition

They should be called Zoldyck phases going forward

[livid bronze]

question for dusk, is there a better slot to make it on if both are low ilvl?

[dense cedar]

chest is stats i guess

[subtle tundra]

Just craft it on whichever piece is cheaper

It will be active for 2 more weeks

[livid bronze]

k

[dense cedar]

will thye work in SL timewalking?

[balmy condor]

banger question

[dense cedar]

this one wasn't a meme i literally don't know

[slim hamlet]

Hopefully will, since stuff like bfa necklace works

But who knows

[balmy condor]

oh well I have no clue, that's in 2 expansions

[dense cedar]

i thought we had legion TW in bfa

mmust be having visions

[balmy condor]

I don't think so

[balmy condor]

that was 8.3

[dense cedar]

visions of n'zoth

[latent matrix]

Hi guys. One simple question: I really like using the blindsight talent since I love procs, but guides don't seem to recommend using it so far.
Is it really a bad talent choice or can I use it and still be competitive? Thank you.

[dense cedar]

i can line em up even with i literally don't know the answer

[balmy condor]

me after visiting eye doctor

[balmy condor]

you can play it

you have my blessing

[latent matrix]

how much dps am I losing?

[dense cedar]

less than 1%

[balmy condor]

you're probably gaining dps

blindside is super good

and just got buffed

and ambush got buffed

so like

double buffed

might be gaining like 2%

[latent matrix]

ok, great to know !

[dense cedar]

no joke, first time i saw the recent builds posted in pins

i felt despair seeing the no point in sprint talent

[balmy condor]

just take it instead of prey

[dense cedar]

thankfully that isn't real

[balmy condor]

bing chilling

[dense cedar]

ye exactly

[latent matrix]

And regarding outlaw (i know I should ask in the appropriate channel but well it's the same idea so): I also really like playing with audacity (chance to use ambush without stealth), but it's the same story: it's not being used in guides.

[dense cedar]

ngl

as dog as our tree is

[latent matrix]

Can I play it without losing too much dps either?

[dense cedar]

left and middle column are kinda stacked

[balmy condor]

I think that one is probably fine too

but I'm no outlaw player

[subtle tundra]

Outlaw has like 3 builds that are good

[balmy condor]

as long as you go shadowdust and dreadblades

I think you're fine

[latent matrix]

i'll just ask in the outlaw channel

[dense cedar]

How does the apl for sin use Thistle Tea?

[balmy condor]

for 100 energy or to avoid overcapping

[dense cedar]

gotcha

so outside of avoiding overcapping

just use it to ensure less downtime in kb?

[balmy condor]

it's worth to starve before a shiv in order to get the tea during it, but it's like 0.3

[dense cedar]

isee

[balmy condor]

basically as long as you get the energy you call it a W

[dense cedar]

so do you find DF sin too fast or does it still fit the ideal you seem to want despite the apm?

[balmy condor]

I think it's a lil speedy

but it's got enough going on to sorta be okay

[silk junco]

My smooth brain is barely keeping up right now, it FAST

[crude topaz]

Hello everyone, new on this discord and fairly new to rogue as well. I absolutely love assassination and wanted to hear how you guys feel about the buffs as of today?

If, of course you had the time to test

[subtle tundra]

The buffs have been for a while just not on prepatch until now

[uncut echo]

Gm boys 🥰

For tea are we explicitly holding charges for dm once they line up or are we using with exsang

Or is the logic whenever we're starved

[crude topaz]

Weren't the ones from P2 patch notes introduced with this patch today?

[uncut echo]

On prepatch, yes

They've been on beta since they were announced

[crude topaz]

I haven't had the chance to play beta

[uncut echo]

That's why they said what they said

[crude topaz]

Also, to answer your question, I'd use tea charges to replenish the garrote/rupture before DM ends should I lack energy

Even after exang

[primal sigil]

hey does the 20% dmg from SS talent apply to all improved garrotes or just the first one since only that is from stealth ?

[uncut echo]

All

Talent's cracked

[primal sigil]

hmm i see thanks

[sturdy merlin]

I don’t think you’re energy starved during dm so this might not be worth

[balmy condor]

^

[uncut echo]

Ty king

[balmy condor]

if you get 100 energy from tea with no overcap

press it

[uncut echo]

Poog

[balmy condor]

if you do not get 100 energy

do not press

[subtle tundra]

Put the 2nd point of lethality and be happy

[uncut echo]

I mean fax

[balmy condor]

in m+ that's good

in single target that's troll

[subtle tundra]

🧢

[uncut echo]

How much of a loss is it Whispyr

[subtle tundra]

People don't want exsang and they lose 4% I don't want tea

[balmy condor]

like 3%

[uncut echo]

To not take tea

[subtle tundra]

I'm better

[uncut echo]

Eh

[subtle tundra]

😭

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[slim estuary]

Heyyyy so I have a bit of a wild shot.

Back in 2017 I started raiding properly and a mate sent me some rogue weak auras to use as a HUD.

Since legion I have maintained them every patch and change... but I don't have time to do that anymore 😦 So I was wondering if anyone recognises the style and can help me find the original author?

I have maintained the same style the with the bouncing animations and the DOT timers etc.

[balmy condor]

looks a little like infexious from forever ago

but the names and all the duplicates don't look like it

so I'm a little confused

[uncut echo]

That'd be a bitch to uncover

[slim estuary]

Thinking I am either going to have to spend months messing up cds or hours fixing the WA for DF

[balmy condor]

or

hear me out on this one

you just get new wa's

because there are literally a billion packs

all over wago

[slim estuary]

spend months messing up cds

because new hud

[balmy condor]

I feel like you're giga overestimating how long that's going to take

if it takes you more than like 4 days

that would be insane

[subtle tundra]

im hungrery

nomnomnomnom

[uncut echo]

What's for lunch Varas!

[timid cloud]

I got somethin you can eat…

[slim hamlet]

sus

[subtle tundra]

rice with chicken and omlette in it

but uhghmmm mm m just drank some protein water so ill have to eat later fidsjm

[uncut echo]

Brøther

[subtle tundra]

and i hate to write notes for the exam on friday on an empty stomach asdjhn p[oqi c.k

life is rough

cant i just push some m+

have fun on assa

WHERE IS MY PEN

I WILL HAVE A BREAKDOWN

[uncut echo]

I have 5 pens on me at all times!

6 today...

[subtle tundra]

can i cry

[uncut echo]

Ofc bb

Come here

[little light]

I have no idea, but maybe one of those wa packs is fine?

nvm I just realized I was replying to something from 2 hours ago kekw

[next edge]

Getting used to new bindings / WAs/opener shouldn't take more than a week or two if you play daily

At least for me

[balmy condor]

Nah months bro

[uncut echo]

Years tbh

[spice spire]

Millenia or two Dw

[raven knoll]

could've said centuries

[spice spire]

Yeah I could have

But I’m just built different

(Worse)

[crystal nymph]

duskwalker what is it ?

[primal sigil]

man i wish they made crimson tempest play like how the feral talent for aoe plays

[uncut echo]

Millenia?!

https://tenor.com/view/elden-ring-demigod-goddess-of-rot-general-radahn-radahn-gif-25330960

[strange python]

how are rogue looking in pvp?

[midnight mist]

#pvp

[spice spire]

Real Zac moment

[spice spire]

I think making carbon copy of evil tire strips identity, though it would be cool I understand and appreciate that they don’t

[spice spire]

It’s a legendary currently

[limber lion]

Oh you mean where it applies rupture to every target, dealing instant damage if the target has rupture already on it, instantly consuming some duration from every rupture and applying a second bleed that does a % of the new ruptures damage in lesser time?

[violet jackal]

sounds juiced

[spice spire]

Lightly

[uncut echo]

Dont make me doom cev

[spice spire]

Why doom

[uncut echo]

Feral is fucking fun, and I don't want to be reminded of what we could've been

[spice spire]

“Don’t want to be reminded of what we could’ve been”

Me to oxi daily

I’m just anti-doomer this am

[uncut echo]

I like being overly edgy

Making up for misspent youth

But back on topic

I think CT could be way better than it is

[spice spire]

No arguments here; however, I think it’s fine given the augmentations possible.
Edgy explains the vdh play

[uncut echo]

AY

PAUSE

Spikes go brrrr >:[

[subtle tundra]

Vdh cringe

😴

[spice spire]

Yeah, bone spikes go brr

[uncut echo]

Vdh is about as uncringe as it gets

?

[spice spire]

That’s a bold statement, I don’t think they’re cringe tho

Honestly most tanks are based; the tank players are often the sus ones

[uncut echo]

You are legally bound to be nice to tank players

Their job sucks in keys

You're not doing it, are you?

[spice spire]

I have.
And I’m nice to everyone in keys, until they’re not. I don’t post some weird facade of being a goofy goober then GIGA flame pug keys. Things can go wrong, people are human, I’d prefer everyone be nice and forgive

But sometimes they can’t and tanks ig are so used to taking blame they automatically flame

I rarely have an issue in pugs though

I just like banter

[uncut echo]

Quake is cursed confirmed

[subtle tundra]

I'm toxic

🛐

[uncut echo]

Ya u are

Its in your name

[spice spire]

how am I cursed?

[uncut echo]

You're too nice

[spice spire]

🤨

[uncut echo]

Cursed with making everyone's day brighter

🥰

[spice spire]

[primal sigil]

yeah well crimson tempest only though, so like we still do ruptures and garrotes but CT works like the new primal wrath talented

just wishful thinking haha

[uncut echo]

It's hard to make dot spreading work thematically for assassination. Like for unholy, you have patient zero that afflicted the outbreak, whether it's their new wound spreader or the literal OUTBREAK spell.

Affliction, shadow, and boomer dots are magical by nature where as we're physical. We'd need a spell that either replaced IC or a thematic way to "rupture" 8 targets.

[crystal nymph]

in opener should i use deathmark or exsanguinate first ?

[spice spire]

Exsang

BecUse exsanging deathmark halves its duration

[crystal nymph]

how should be the opener for image 1

[spice spire]

#assassination message

[sterile jackal]

Flagellation seems like a good theme. Whiping all mobs around sin. Or throwing iron screws to hurt their feet

[limber lion]

How does that differ from CT if you're not looking for the rip-synergy?

[uncut echo]

That's the point! It doesn't.

[limber lion]

So why would you want Primal Wrath instead of CT if Primal Wrath is already exactly like CT

[primal sigil]

CT doesnt use up 4 secs of itself when spammed does it ?

[limber lion]

Does Primal Wrath the talent do that?

Don't think so

[primal sigil]

i was tlaking about the mod on primal wrath

wishing CT worked like this on default

[limber lion]

Yeah so you're talking about TOW, not Primal Wrath

[primal sigil]

instead of cosuming 4 sec of rupture it would cosume 4 sec of CT

[limber lion]

Very clear distinction here right

But yeah, that would be fine but it promotes super degen gameplay

[primal sigil]

true

[limber lion]

It works fine for Feral that has Rake/Rip only and no energy gains from either

We have Rup/Gar/CT and get energy from Rup/Gar

[primal sigil]

although with carnage and if TOW was a thing for sin the burst would be glorious lol, like i said wishful thinking

[limber lion]

So any time we spam CT is outside of rrapplying dots that give us energy which gives us more damage

Yeh for sure, something could be done for sure don't get me wrong

But I don't know if TOW is the way to go

[primal sigil]

just saw pins and read " Maintain in AoE for the DoT, or spam it if you carnaged and have nothing to do. Theorycrafting is VERY ongoing for this." so was hoping for a legit aoe dump and so i rmr feral had something where now PW could be used as a dump