ah didnt even notice lol. just running around grabbing gold off the ground to collect as much plunder as i can lmao
#pvp
languid ravine
what do you mean lazy? They had 12 coders work for 6 months straight just so we can queue the same shit from ingame
spring bough
tabard is gonna take a few rounds that ones is 5k plunder
Storm Archon is the most OP ability ive ever seen
just annihilating people
spring bough
almost at 1k plunder in this one match lol
pastel burrow
They didn't bring trios back? That sucks
spring bough
feel like im gonna have everything i want from plunderstorm by the end of the night at this rate lol
there is like an arathi ravine that no1 goes too with like 6 chests
southwest of Daby farm
spring bough
im in a g ame with 8 people left
and i have the 2 best abilities lol
storm and celestial
annihilated a level 10 at level 6 lmao
unlocked the full set already lol
glass hazel
what abilities are good?
spring bough
what abilities are good?
storm and celestial damage abilities just deletes people
ohhh they have the OG plunderlord set too
glass hazel
yeah kinda fun mode but no idea how to win it ;x way too many players
best so far 6th
spring bough
earthbreaker is pretty baller at max level
spring bough
yeah kinda fun mode but no idea how to win it ;x way too many players
avoid people till the end. loot chests. kill mobs. level up and level ur abilities up. then demolish people
potent pivot
avoid people till the end. loot chests. kill mobs. level up and level ur abiliti...
Are we able to buy Tender or is it treated as a 1 time purchase from last plunderstorm?
Any idea
glass hazel
1 time
potent pivot
Damn
glass hazel
probably you can buy it again this time i mean just cant buy more than 1
spring bough
750 for a one time still nice
Save it for a rainy day when the trading post is loaded
potent pivot
It’s been pretty loaded lately I’m kinda low on tender 
potent pivot
potent pivot
grab the gold on the ground
glass hazel
i keep being focused even trying to avoid ppl but they still come
spring bough
i just run around grab chests kill mobs wait till the end
then get people at the end
kill the big elite mob and you get a ton of plunder
glass hazel
there is a lot person who wants to kill it haha
spring bough
picked up like 750 off that big elite and also killed a level 7 in the meantime lol
glass hazel
pog
spring bough
queing from in game so i can fix my mog after lol
unborn compass
what's the setting within plater to stop having nameplates become opaque the closer you get to them?
potent pivot
what's the setting within plater to stop having nameplates become opaque the clo...
You’re probably better off asking this one in one of the spec channels to be real with you, not many pvpers use plater >_<
Or in #wow-general
unborn compass
You’re probably better off asking this one in one of the spec channels to be rea...
what should I be using instead of plater?
potent pivot
what should I be using instead of plater?
most people either use default plates, or BetterBlizzPlates
potent pivot
unborn compass
mystic pasture
was the juiciest envenom ever
potent pivot
they also don't have vers
spring bough
So has everyone already farmed out their plunder? Lol
mystic pasture
meh....10% less is still huge
potent pivot
it wouldn't be 10% less
mystic pasture
from vers? not many people run much more than 20%
potent pivot
i mean on the dorn dummies
mystic pasture
yeah
mystic pasture
the dummy in SW better?
potent pivot
i don't think so
mystic pasture
its tough to pull off on a player, they usually are dead before I get to do that
glass hazel
So has everyone already farmed out their plunder? Lol
15k only ;x
potent pivot
the max envenom you're gonna hit on a player with all your stars aligned is in the 3m range
potent pivot
Which skill is best?
wowhead will prolly put out a ranking or something in the next couple days
sinnen brought up a couple that he said seemed strong in that msg^
i think they tuned a lot of them
so they aren't the same as last time
hardy tinsel
sinnen brought up a couple that he said seemed strong in that msg^
I’ll try that, ty
severe helm
whats good depends on duo vs solo
for solo I dont htink theres any better setup than slicing winds, axe/fish, quaking leap, and bulwark
for duo its more mixed cuz you can synergize with your team
the new celestial ability is super strong
axe/fish are still very strong
slicing winds, holy bulwark
defensive stuff is prefernce but ideally you want at least one mobility
hardy tinsel
axe/fish are still very strong
Fish is the one that does poison damage right?
severe helm
Fish is the one that does poison damage right?
yeah
hardy tinsel
I thought it was bad judging by its look, imma try them, ty
severe helm
It does a loooot of damage and if you land a second hit while they're still poisoned it hits SUPER hard
lucid citrus
congratz!
glass hazel
pog :x all assa haha
potent pivot
pog :x all assa haha
Solo shuffle is spec dependent :p
potent pivot
<@629463378250956810>
Did jw ever q
glass hazel
Solo shuffle is spec dependent :p
haha true, i forget about it
hardy tinsel
I don’t actually play pvp but I’m surprised that I can get this rating
Good enough for pvp noob
potent pivot
I don’t actually play pvp but I’m surprised that I can get this rating
Even if you don’t pvp if you have a decent understanding of the game you can prolly smash a decent rating
Keep going 
glass hazel
oh even noob like me who never did pvp before was able to get 2100 after 700 games ;x
potent pivot
glass hazel
now i'm thinking if i want to try get elite or not 😄
yeah i'm like 52% winrate -_- haha
potent pivot
jaunty osprey
also
potent pivot
Oof
potent pivot
Only 1 other person matched your mmr
jaunty osprey
ya that's how it always is 😦
glass hazel
everyone get rating except you so sad
indigo hill
Which embel is everyone running for outlaw atm?
hardy tinsel
Which embel is everyone running for outlaw atm?
Focus lens
indigo lava
<@629463378250956810>
It’s amazing 🌟
languid ravine
my plunderstorm preview window is TIIIIIINY i cant see shit
languid ravine
the new sky laser ability is BS way OP
languid ravine
like why does it do 40 damage on 8 sec CD with 30000 range and a built in backstep
and it basically hitscans at medium range lmao
indigo hill
Just get coins. Buy stuff and come back to wow.
languid ravine
just saying get the sky laser if you can it wins hard
outer sky
WTF lobby is this
outer sky
There’s 2650 lobbies this early? 😮
if you call this a lobby
Coulda been worse
Def won't queue for a bit
i dont want double mage hpal lobbies
outer sky
A friend of mine I met doing M+ dungeons last xpac wants to PvP with me but he plays ret pally and has almost no pvp experience.
spring bough
I ve become too good at plunder
I think they upped the plunder you get since last night
I just did one game. Didn’t even make it to sub 10 players alive. And got 1600 plunder off the game
Think I was around the 20th or so still alive lol
severe helm
They upped it a LOOOT
gritty peak
I just did one game. Didn’t even make it to sub 10 players alive. And got 1600 p...
how much does shit cost?
is 1600 plunder a lot?
spring bough
how much does shit cost?
Old set is 250 a piece and the cloak is 500. So on 1600 I bought over half the set off one game lol
spring bough
is 1600 plunder a lot?
Mounts are 5k. Tabard is 5k. New set is 1500 a piece
gritty peak
Old set is 250 a piece and the cloak is 500. So on 1600 I bought over half the s...
holy based that's awesome
i like the appearances, but the game mode is not for me
sounds like you can farm stuff pretty easily
spring bough
Yeah I got the entire new set last night. Got the old set today. Got the weps last night / today. Now it’s onto tabard and then mounts
Do I just go Polly Roger or do I go for hooktalon too
languid ravine
I just did one game. Didn’t even make it to sub 10 players alive. And got 1600 p...
I got 5 first places each 3.5k to 4k coins and four of those were with the new sky laser because that one is balanced by blizzard
spring bough
celestial barrage?
languid ravine
yes that one
spring bough
yeah its OP
languid ravine
super fair
spring bough
that and the fire stuff
and the one that changes abilities too
fire whirl is also nuts
languid ravine
old skills have like 12 attribute points they can allocate in cooldown/range/dps etc
celestial barrage has 30
all stats maxed out
spring bough
down to 14 left with 2k plunder
from one game lol
i have a stun and celestial barrage OP
yup won my first plunder game. 4164 plunder from it
celestial barrage >>>>
spring bough
these people tried running when the celestial barrage charges but it is like 100 yards so there is nowhere to go
hollow niche
is rogue better than DH
spring bough
is rogue better than DH
combat rogue >>>>
languid ravine
teleports behind you Sub Rogue is the most chuuni purple jutsu cringe fest (nothing personal kid)
starts throwing shurikens for 0,05% of your health bar
pew pew
potent pivot
some of these plunderstorm abilities are definitely broken compared to others 
like all of the skill shots, the fire tornado thing, and the fish slaps
hollow niche
is sub bad for arena rn?
potent pivot
is sub bad for arena rn?
it's not the best, but it's not bad per se
you can do pretty well if it's the spec you prefer/are better at playing
severe helm
*teleports behind you* Sub Rogue is the most chuuni purple jutsu cringe fest (no...
Truuuu
safe pelican
https://www.wowhead.com/news/january-15th-undermine-d-development-notes-class-ch...
Lmao bro who is the rogue dev
Bro either A. Hates us or
B. Hates us, but also has no pull to do anything about the repeat shafting we receive either way
potent pivot
it's a pve focused change i guess
as far as i know basically all the pve'rs disliked the charge
hazy monolith
Bro either A. Hates us or
B. Hates us, but also has no pull to do anything about...
That’s what DHs think, too 
hazy monolith
as far as i know basically all the pve'rs disliked the charge
Couldve just kept it and make it a choice node somehow
potent pivot
Couldve just kept it and make it a choice node somehow
people also said that about tea
but what we don't realize is
that requires more work 
potent pivot
We have to share our attention with DH 
We got the attention in DF, right now it’s their turn
hazy monolith
well DH was great in DF
potent pivot
I know a lot of DHs that hated it
hazy monolith
sure I mean
it was very bugged
but strong
now it's still kinda bugged but
weak
hazy monolith
yeah but I talk pvp
potent pivot
But either way
I don’t think the design dev has much to do with strength of a spec
And I kinda doubt they have anything to do with pvp but
Making the specs fun and work properly
hazy monolith
k more context, with weakness I mean overall perf not just damage
potent pivot
Like the DHs I saw complain weren’t complaining about strength in DF, more so just the design
hazy monolith
DHs defensives are kinda outdated and roots are a huge problem
potent pivot
Ye I’m not trying to say they aren’t weak in pvp or anything
That’s prolly my least played melee other than monk
hazy monolith
ye it boils down to damage delivery and cc avoidance problems... I'm pretty invested since beta and wrote long ass feedback posts
also aldrachi reaver is, yeah, nobody plays it
a lot of problems
fel-scarred is strong but kinda lame imho
whatever 😄
potent pivot
Basically what I’m saying is that they care a lot more about pve when they make changes
potent pivot
But it’s also our turn to get ignored
While DH gets some changes
At least that’s how it feels so far
hazy monolith
DH didnt get changes to the core havoc talents for over a year
potent pivot
The only good change that rogue has gotten in TWW is supercharger I think
As far as pvp is concerned
Literally every other change has taken away from the class in some way
Feels like they’re beating a dead horse at this point
potent pivot
DH didnt get changes to the core havoc talents for over a year
Yep
And that’s kinda fucked imo
hazy monolith
look at hunter changes in comparison
potent pivot
And paladin
potent pivot
Like rogue is still decent in pvp so far regardless
hazy monolith
esp since sub got duel stripped and gets... nothing? lol
potent pivot
But everything from the hero trees down to the pvp talents etc has been terrible
And apparently we’re supposed to be stuck with these hero trees forever
hazy monolith
yeah yeah
exactly the same feeling as DH
one hero tree is completely dead the other one is PVE
I hate demonsurges
potent pivot
It genuinely feels like other classes have at least 1 person giving all their time to them
While lesser played classes get half a person’s time
But idk how popular DH is in pve
hazy monolith
you explode on certain abilities and deal aoe dmg to nearby enemies
great when being kited and rooted
hazy monolith
It genuinely *feels* like other classes have at least 1 person giving all their ...
yeah
100%
potent pivot
idk if there's a way to separate this by class instead of spec on wcl
but it's kinda insane to look at
hazy monolith
lol
potent pivot
hazy monolith
thought about pushing keystone master before ssn ends
wanted to try outlaw
guess im not
grave basin
Recently tried playing my DH and I really hate fel scarred
@hazy monolith
Having 50% if your damage breakdown be eye beam and demonsurge is lame AF
grave basin
Why play piano outlaw when you can smash 3 buttons on Ret and do just as well in pve
Juice isnt worth the squeeze
waxen meteor
Having 50% if your damage breakdown be eye beam and demonsurge is lame AF
I don't think that part is bad tbh, that's the classic skill for DH
building around eye beam is honestly better (at least to me) than last few seasons, building your dmg on un-necessary movements
like you literally use mobility skills around the target for no reason
i think DH this season, problem is you don't feel enough impact
outer sky
Anyone here free to do a vod review for me?
This is actually so depressing
max rating 2449
2172cr
Rip me getting glad
fiery hinge
wtf
fiery hinge
hmm, alt f4 angle
outer sky
ikr
I have another rogue at 2270
but he doesnt have the 14 glad wins
so I'm stuck trying to push on this one
I thought maybe I'd tank to like 2350 or something on a bad night
but not this shit
outer sky
I could tank even more
outer sky
I had a team
we went from 2250-2450 in 2 days
then tanked 150 rating and everyone quit
and now Ive just been tanking more and more
fiery hinge
What were you queing
fiery hinge
disc with affy sounds miserable
outer sky
but I think it was just a fluke
fiery hinge
I mean que it up
outer sky
healers can pve heal the damage
outer sky
easily
outer sky
Then push for it
why didn't I think of that
fiery hinge
well you cant expect any other answer
that or go next season
Mount is meh to me and id review your games but i barely pvp
Id ask someone like @jaunty osprey
My opinion is
Press garrote harder
GG
potent pivot
Id ask someone like <@113813700237852677>
fiery hinge
LOL, idk who else is a decent rogue
outer sky
Glad you're having fun
These have been my last few games
I tanked from 2450 to 2100
2145*
outer sky
how many glad wins
14
jaunty osprey
okay there's still time
outer sky
yeah realistically a good session can be well over 100 points
its just discouraging
there just such stupid losses
like the people I'm playing with dont know what theyre doing
thats not to say im playing perfectly
of course not
but you should see these guys
lost this one somehow
4+ minute game
like my teammates just do no damage
when I play assa/affi my warlock literally does nothing
they do like half my damage
almost every game
heres one we lost
like come the fuck on
warlock
press your buttons
they have caut and I'm doing almost twice his damage
pally isnt healing
literally less than half the other team's healer's healing
like this is the shit i'm dealing with
like if that warlock did as much damage as me and our pally did at least half the monk's healing we'd have won that game easy
like just press your buttons
And no it wasn't pet pad
fiery hinge
like if that warlock did as much damage as me and our pally did at least half th...
Do you have vods or something
hazy monolith
Having 50% if your damage breakdown be eye beam and demonsurge is lame AF
Yeah
outer sky
Do you have vods or something
nah I dont need a vod to know doing half the damage and half the healing is not a winning play
fiery hinge
Not why i’m asking
You wanted someone to review your shit
To see what you’re doing wrong
fiery hinge
Anyone here free to do a vod review for me?
said here
hazy monolith
like you literally use mobility skills around the target for no reason
You didnt have to play momentum, it’s not like DH was built strictly around it like one of the hero classes now is around an 8 yd explosion that can be kited like death sweep
fiery hinge
i thought you meant that game you replied to my commentary on
I will watch your games back if you have a vod
hazy monolith
Also in competitive play you wouldn’t really sacrifice movement for dmg if you know you need it
Also if you know how to play against FS (which isn’t really that big of a deal) then you just shut down eye beam and kite the rest
Aldrachi reaver is way cooler but needs redesign
Not switch friendly which sucks
And dmg is just lower, FS got buffed over and over again
Again because PvE
outer sky
I will watch your games back if you have a vod
i dont really think the vod review is necessary now that I think about it. The problem is my other dps cant do damage and my healer can't heal. I keep looking for some deeper reason because it's so hard for me to believe that people can actually be that bad at the game and then I remember average rating is like 1600.
fiery hinge
i dont really think the vod review is necessary now that I think about it. The p...
Bro you’re over thinking it. Can’t put blame on every game on lack of damage or my lock didn’t use this etc, just a bad mindset. You need to worry about what YOU did wrong so YOU can get better
Go vod review
It’s just a way to make yourself lose bad habits
outer sky
idk thats just fucking ridiculous man
like if people just dont play their classes correctly
it wont matter
broken otter
Why do Deathstalker Sin rogues use the set chestpiece instead of the hands? The set is vers/crit and the hands are mastery/vers
outer sky
This was a couple days ago
outer sky
broken otter
I was hovering over the legs thinking they were the hands stat XD
fiery hinge
You’re not getting my point still…
outer sky
And this is today
outer sky
You’re not getting my point still…
fiery hinge
bro go see what you did wrong LMAO
outer sky
I know it sounds nice to always blame yourself
but sometimes
people just suck
its okay to acknowledge it
fiery hinge
You came here all sad and down about losing rating but not you’re blaming those people.
What if they’re blaming you, and won’t acknowledge or go see what you did wrong
outer sky
2450 to 2115 is pretty tragic
I'm sure there are things I could have done better. My point is there's nothing I could have done better that would have turned most of those losses into wins because the people I'm playing with can't do their basic rotations properly
it's miniscule by comparison
if your teammate cant do damage and your healer cant heal
what difference does it make
fiery hinge
Maybe they can’t do damage and can’t heal because you couldn’t peel and theyre being trained etc
You are a rogue acting like a ret pally
zug zug why my team suck zug zug
outer sky
firstly, assa ele rdruid
i know I just queued it because why the fuck not
jaunty osprey
well
tilt queuing wont get you out of the rut
just play to your strengths, there are no arena charters/teams, if you feel like things arent going our way, just call the session and queue when you feel more confident in your partners
especially if you're going to say that they're not healing or doing damage
just wait till you find better people
outer sky
especially if you're going to say that they're not healing or doing damage
If I'm going to say that? Am I reading the meters wrong? I think that's pretty clear
fiery hinge
you’re being hardheaded zicore
just review your vod, stop caring about damage meters
turn details off
outer sky
you’re being hardheaded zicore
You're just seeing this in isolation which is why you feel the way you do about it. I spent 3 xpacs exlusively blaming myself for not getting rating. I've gotten way better. But at some point its worth it to point out and acknowledge that the people youre playing with are just bad
there are multi r1 players who struggle to get glad wins in lfg
it's okay
fiery hinge
Yeah but if it’s your literal first time hitting glad range then i’d focus on what you can do better
fiery hinge
there are multi r1 players who struggle to get glad wins in lfg
WHO?
outer sky
Yeah but if it’s your literal first time hitting glad range then i’d focus on wh...
at 2.4 sure, but not 2.1 or 2.2
fiery hinge
Yeah bro 2.2 rn is like 1800 players spam queing
outer sky
Yeah bro 2.2 rn is like 1800 players spam queing
I've noticed
outer sky
look man you asked for an example and I gave you one
outer sky
i’ve tried helping but you seem like you think you know what’s best
I don't know what's best but as the saying goes "You don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing."
hazy monolith
I mean
If the vod review turns out you perfected every global
You atleast know you have to improve in grouping up and not in playing assa 🤷♂️
gusty hedge
another Blizzard Vaction 3 weeks 
Git Gud is now bannaable 
fresh onyx
Any good alternatives to night elf/orc/human after upcoming racial changes?
hazy monolith
another Blizzard Vaction 3 weeks <:breadblade:755178601929769090> Git Gud is no...
everything that is a form of discouragement or pointing out lack of skill
its crazy
indigo hill
Why is fury so insanely strong?
glass hazel
cause blizzard likes wars and mages
hidden dome
You know, I wouldn't mind playing at 2.7 rating with my 1.7 warrior if the queues weren't so long
If I win the next game I get my conquest weapon at the same time as 1.8
sturdy canopy
Gz man
gusty hedge
its crazy
def! crazy how i can get flamed by multiple because they can't beat me then my reply is what gets me the axe 
with this last bann i have def learned my lesson with responding to any bs ingame
indigo hill
Do people here macro their grappling hook?
gusty hedge
Do people here macro their grappling hook?
/cast [@cursor] Grappling Hook
indigo hill
Just checking. Ty.
Btw i see Betterblizz frames and plates is being recommended. Any specific players profile that is used most?
gusty hedge
Btw i see Betterblizz frames and plates is being recommended. Any specific playe...
i didnt like any of the profiles they had at the bottom of addon to load, alot players do though. I watched a video on youtube to help configure plates what can be seen etc went that route( sorry know its not really helpful)
indigo hill
Nah it is. I'm not fully satisfied with the frames. Way to many buffs on the enemy frame are showing.
hollow niche
Bro they needa fix this solo shuffle que
hidden dome
lol
2795 MMV (before the win)
at 1.8 cr
and I got my conquest weapon on my warrior
after I'm done with the char
Green honor gear is all you need for 2.8 MMV
in Blitz
and after all that
I bought and equipped a fucking 1 hand sword with the token
LMAO
warri brain
gusty hedge
dayuum xD
hidden dome
Not that it matters, I'm gearing my dk now.
Gotta get the rest of elite sets before end of the season
gusty hedge
so this happened before i was put on vacation! Sad i didnt have instant reply going! Got a W on Nahj in Open World
deep snow
I have a question related to how [Darkest Night] is currently playing out right now with rogue.
So when I start off, I apply 3 stacks of[Deathstalker's Mark], then I will consume it each time I use 5+ combo points. After each consuming of a mark, I can Fan for extra damage and combo point. Only once I consume all [Deathstalker's mark] I will get [Darkest Night].
My question is, since I'm technically staying in stealth for 6 second after breaking stealth, I'm constantly reapplying [Deathstalker's Mark] to 3 stacks again. I'm guessing the best thing to do would be to let myself fall out of stealth attacks and consume 3 stacks. Thereby getting[Darkest Night] to proc, and once I'm done that I will vanish to again apply 3 stacks again and start the cycle again?
spring bough
Game still sucks btw
Plunder was fun
Till I got everything in two days. Now what till season two?
Do I finally try healing or tanking solo shuffle for the first time ever 😂
jaunty osprey
Prot war is really good atm
glass hazel
still need 47k =_=
supple pulsar
Do I finally try healing or tanking solo shuffle for the first time ever 😂
I tried vdh solo shuffle, very bad experience
spring bough
If I do any healing it’s gonna be fistweaver and I’m casting 0 heals
And I’m just gonna fully DPS for the team heals lol
spring bough
Prot war is really good atm
That thunderlord stuff right?
waxen meteor
Prot war is really good atm
True true
I run into several r1 prot war in lobbies they are quite good
One of them even soloed a healer
He actually even told me that before the gate opened, he was like hey I might just swap on healer when you kidney them, ‘I have a secret tech to solo healer’ and I can still go back to killing target like normal
Never played tank in like 20 years of wow life, maybe I should try it this year!
spring bough
He actually even told me that before the gate opened, he was like hey I might ju...
A secret tech??? 👀
waxen meteor
A secret tech??? 👀
He called that I am not sure what it is lol
spring bough
Like DKs 5 mil death strikes? Lol
waxen meteor
Not our skill for sure haha
I don’t know what it is, but it’s indeed explosive, he tried to sneak kill me too in later rounds in that lobby
gusty hedge
glass hazel
exactly
i dont know how people earn more than 2k
i even kill 1 gold boss every match
😄
other one dies same time usually
gusty hedge
i dont know how people earn more than 2k
IDK REALLY xD sometime its over 2k
i try to kill anyone close to me so i can lvl in peace + build skill lvl 🤣
i also try to avoid red locations and go for green or yellow then make my way to the battle
glass hazel
same i go for yellow usually
mine on average like 1.5k almost always top10
=_=
probably because i dont kill a lot of ppl maybe thats why
yours like 10 :x
no info yet how to get plunderlord title in s2?
spring bough
Only 1800 from a win??
Gotta run around hit more gold that’s on the ground and smoke more mobs lol
Can easily clear 4K plus on a win
glass hazel
haha i killed a lot of mobs i dunno why
was not able to get gold from players in last circle maybe thats why
since i just kite them with fox+vanish and hit with ice skill ;x
glass hazel
yeah i'll try
molten hedge
Hey what’s the bug with cheat death? A friend was asking.
jaunty osprey
Multiple spells or lines of damage hitting you at once or projectile abilities can just insta kill you as it procs
severe helm
Hey what’s the bug with cheat death? A friend was asking.
any ability that is already in the air before cheat death procs will still do full damage
since damage reductions/ability damage are calculated on spell completion generally
so if a warlock is slinging out chaos bolts and his teammate procs your cheat death, anything already in the air will still hit for full damage and youll just die
molten hedge
Oh that’s a bug?
severe helm
not necessarily a "bug" per se but it effectively means cheat death is usually useless vs specs with slow projectiles
molten hedge
I thought that’s how it worked
severe helm
Its a bug in that the ability does not work as described
molten hedge
Has it always been that way
severe helm
unless you know the mechanics of how blizz's abilities work
not sure if its always been that way or not tbh
cheat death used to be rather reliable
I do remember when cheat death originally came out it was different
this was the TBC cheat death
this one worked very reliably when it did "proc"
cuz it works like cauterize
where it sets your hp back to 10%
thats why cauterize always works on mages
regardless of chaos bolts/etc
unless you can kill faster than the caut healing ofc
but cheat death in its current state is just pressing a defensive for you so it works like any other damage mitigation
if you Pain Sup while a bunch of chaos bolts are in the air they hit you for full damage still
jaunty osprey
Well the cheat “bug” doesn’t need projectiles at all
It’s just multiple instances of damage hitting you at the same time
severe helm
It’s just multiple instances of damage hitting you at the same time
Ah yeah I figure thats just cuz of the server time it takes to actually grant you the dr buff?
potent pivot
I have a question related to how [Darkest Night] is currently playing out right ...
You want to consume darkest night with max combo point envenom, that reapplies your Deathstalkers mark. Also we fan to build combo points most of the time regardless, on 2 or more targets. You can mostly ignore clear the witness proc
potent pivot
Nah it is. I'm not fully satisfied with the frames. Way to many buffs on the ene...
You can fully customize them
There’s a whitelist and a blacklist for buffs/debuffs, use it lol
hollow niche
Night elf or human still?
potent pivot
night elf
hollow niche
Will sub be better for 11.1? Better than outlaw please
potent pivot
no way to know atm unfort
stoic spruce
no info yet how to get plunderlord title in s2?
This was a joke right?
spring bough
CC is out of control
i cant even do anything for more than 5-10 seconds some games
feels like some stuns not even on DRs lmao
severe helm
feels like some stuns not even on DRs lmao
They aren't lol
A lot of mini stun are off Dr
There's not too many but they're all annoying
glass hazel
This was a joke right?
Nope, there is no more renown and I can't buy it with coins
languid ravine
I ve blamed a Ret pala in epic BG for EVERYTHING, 10 lines of blame
and he took it all serious and not as a joke
potent pivot
Nope, there is no more renown and I can't buy it with coins
i don't think they re added the title, that was plunderstorm 1 specific
glass hazel
Ah okay, could be yeah
stoic spruce
Oh dang that's weird
hardy tinsel
guys I did it, my first 1.8k
verbal field
guys I did it, my first 1.8k
gz
outer sky
You want to consume darkest night with max combo point envenom, that reapplies y...
I don't think you even can consume it with fewer than max combo points
outer sky
i cant even do anything for more than 5-10 seconds some games
It doesn't help that assa and outlaw and extremely easy to counter. "he just came out of stealth. Spam CC him and it's like his whole class doesnt even exist"
Today I had a shuffle match and I got disarmed by one guy the second I opened on the other and I was just thinking like "man, you are so good at the game. who taught you to play this well. disarm me as soon as I come out of stealth. Such a high skill play to counter me"
it's really a stupid design
subterfuge should be a cooldown
right now shit's way too telegraphed
"he got a re. root totem him so it doesnt even matter"
"hey I totally countered the rogue by putting a 30s long purge the wicked DoT on him. Look at me I'm good at the game"
Dumb design by blizzard imo
hazy monolith
i cant even do anything for more than 5-10 seconds some games
now be a DH
outer sky
I actually think shadow dance should grant immunity to disarm effects since disarming shadow dance is probably the single most inpactful disarm you can do
You shouldn't be able to negate a entire spec's existence because you took a 45s CD pvp talent
Honestly disarm as a CC should probably go away in general
tender ember
this is skill issue
thats why u check omnibar with disarms cd and prio stuning classes like war/hunter etc. as your 1st global before doing ur main thing
outer sky
thats why u check omnibar with disarms cd and prio stuning classes like war/hunt...
Yeah let me just stun the boomie who's in stealth so he can't disarm me what a great idea
Even if it's something like warrior/ele, whichever one you stun first the other will either disarm or lasso you
indigo hill
I see people running alacrity and strat instead of leech and vigor on outlaw but to me it feels I'm allot more energy starved. This something others experience as well?
potent pivot
I see people running alacrity and strat instead of leech and vigor on outlaw but...
it can feel a little slower yeah, but the things competing with vigor are supercharger/forced induction
deeper strat is pretty much a lock-in
potent pivot
I don't think you even can consume it with fewer than max combo points
ye that's what i was saying. from their message i couldn't tell if they knew that or not.
though you can use the supercharger combo points to consume it while not at max cp, you really wouldn't want to because you want the envenom to hit as much as possible
terse thicket
Am I by any chance playing the wrong spec? I just remember Assassin on Legion, It was awesome to play, I had a lot of fun, but now I just don't do any damage... Maybe it could be that I came back to WoW like, 2 weeks ago and I undergeared (full honor)
What's the role of an assassin rogue on PvP? Spread bleeding and shit? CC on multiple targets?
Should I change to Subtlety?
potent pivot
Am I by any chance playing the wrong spec? I just remember Assassin on Legion, I...
nah assa is really good
being undergeared isn't going to help, but you should still do somewhat okay dmg in honor gear
but yeah, spread bleeds, CC people, all that good stuff mhmm
the spec is a decent bit different than it was in legion
terse thicket
I'm always at the bottom, It could be the way I'm playing, random BGs, I won't always have a healer, I mean, I'm by myself, right? I get focused A LOT, being dead all the time helps to stay at the bottom...
potent pivot
I mean in BGs Details is useless really
terse thicket
I'm referring to Blizzards statistics at the end..
terse thicket
I'm always opening with cheap shot, garrote, rupture, build combo points, kidney shot, combo points, envenom, popping CDs to stay alive
potent pivot
Gotta be aware of where your healers are, don’t over extend if you don’t have tools to get out of a bad situation
terse thicket
I think I'm gonna give sub a shot to see how it goes, maybe I'll enjoy it more
indigo hill
deeper strat is pretty much a lock-in
So strat and alacrity is a must? Supercharger row can be replaced with vigor? If I understood you correctly.
potent pivot
So strat and alacrity is a must? Supercharger row can be replaced with vigor? If...
yeah, but most people are running supercharger
but if you were going to swap, that's what you'd swap
indigo hill
Not a fan of charger and without vigor the spec feels to slow for me. Thanks, mate. 👍
tender ember
Yeah let me just stun the boomie who's in stealth so he can't disarm me what a g...
it is really comp dependant what you do, also remember u dont play alone. The only boomy setup i face is with outlaw rogue- i mostly just open with peels on rogue WITH TRYING TO LINE BOOMY when my healer is cc'ed, if u get disarmed it doesnt matter cos boomy still needs to pre dot ppl before incarn and when he presses it u can silence him with full dr big garote into stuns ye? There are situation when u need to just tank disarm w/o being dispelled but therefore u gotta expect it and do the most before u get it
vs ele war, u can sap ele open war so your lock can cast then go on ele preferably with silences when he presses incarn. W/o sap on ele, your lock should just silence lasso and thats all, i literally got 0 issue vs ele war except war gets me out of stealth and disarm into bolt- but this is skill issue
gusty hedge
I actually think shadow dance should grant immunity to disarm effects since disa...
i like to add they should also Make Killing spree Great again! Not to break after any cc/stun/fear & to finish on multi target if cleaving like before not stop once main target is dead
hollow niche
I think I'm gonna give sub a shot to see how it goes, maybe I'll enjoy it more
Sub is the worst of the 3 rn
potent pivot
Sub is the worst of the 3 rn
In BGs it’s the best really
toxic osprey
Depends how you play and what is your goal
toxic osprey
I'm always opening with cheap shot, garrote, rupture, build combo points, kidney...
I will not go like that, go garrote in ambush then rapture then cheepshot and then you go burst full
Of he trinket
You go venish
In again garrote
Cus it silence
From stealth
Then wait for litl cus stun is on dr
You kite
Then full kindy
In kiting you can blind
If he use burst
You can outplay him ez
Still depends what he do
hollow niche
Why do people have multiple characters of the same class but different spec
potent pivot
1 reason is because conquest is capped at the beginning of the season
so you can use multiple characters and gear them differently
another reason for multiple characters is queue times get high at higher rating, so some people will restart on a fresh character
or they juggle characters if they're trying to push r1
potent pivot
So u can't gear even 2 spec on 1 character?
i mean now that conquest is uncapped you can
hollow niche
Oh duh sorry I just returned
potent pivot
but you kinda want different gear set for certain specs
sub and assa use basically the same gear
but outlaw uses different stats
hollow niche
Right and I'm usually torn between sub and outlaw lmao
potent pivot
!stats
lethal roostBOT
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.
languid ravine
whats like the second best embellishment if I dont want to buy Gems for Focusing Lens?
potent pivot
whats like the second best embellishment if I dont want to buy Gems for Focusing...
duskthreadx2
wraith tangle
Hi guys, why so many people prefer sbs over KB and Master Assassin? SBS dmg seems negligable and KB is absolutely fcking bursty if you manage to buff it. Am I missing something?
potent pivot
Hi guys, why so many people prefer sbs over KB and Master Assassin? SBS dmg seem...
sbs does a little more overall rot dmg and gives combo point refunds
running either combination is fine
kingsbane has just been nerfed multiple times so it doesn't do as much as it used to, but it's still a solid choice
wraith tangle
Got it, thx. I still manage to do 2m - 3m dmg with KB, which seems brutal for 14s dot.
potent pivot
ascension uptime is ass
potent pivot
Ascension probably
doesn't vanishing/dropping cmb reset stacks
jaunty osprey
Doesnt reset stacks
you just don’t gain stacks
just get in combat again before the buff fall offs in 15s
Being above 80% as a rogue is rare and is way lower uptime
especially with how much cleave/aoe there is in the game right now
potent pivot
it's usually higher uptime than you'd expect
a lot of people still run it for sub for example
potent pivot
mystic pasture
Is our tier set nerfed 50% in PVP? If so, is it really worth dropping all that master/vers for it?
potent pivot
Is our tier set nerfed 50% in PVP? If so, is it really worth dropping all that m...
yes, and it depends on the set
mystic pasture
yes, and it depends on the set
for assassination
potent pivot
for assassination
most ppl run it ye
gritty peak
<:joetrue:1222610158518014033>
banger emoji
languid ravine
I found the second most egregious bug, staff auto attacks on evoker have no impact animation on target
game experience ruined
potent pivot
don't go on the ptr
breaking stealth with abilities while moving forward, causes you to stop moving forward
also shadow dance/subterfuge dropping does the same
hidden dome
Man wish I could just blacklist kotmogu and deepwind from my blitz games
actual trash BGs
Kotmogu is just a healer check 99% of the games
well assuming sufficent rating
hidden dome
Deepwind is only fun when playing like 4 classes
safe pelican
Rogue is one of them 🤣 but yea you’re right
hidden dome
Yeah, with rogue I don't mind deepwind
but I'm not playing my rogue again this season in blitz. Just doing side quests now collecting elite sets for alts
hidden dome
Man I love playing on my alt only for a heal to instant quit 30 seconds in the game
that should just give you a month ban instantly
at least for that char
People saying mean words? Yep thats a ban.
People actually griefing the game for 7 others? 30 Minute Queue Ban and -200 rating
hollow niche
Be waiting 25 mins for a que but someone rage quits some bullshit
hidden dome
Wow the leaver dude has a negative winrate on every heal in every bracket.
8% winrate in shuffle
that is impossible if you actually try
Why is that guy not perma banned already?
No blizz is too busy perma banning guys typing "idiot".
That guy is playing for at least 13 seasons
100% just griefing
potent pivot
bad healers at low rating tend to go 0-6 a lot
hidden dome
Sure, but given he just left my blitz game 1 minute in and he has negative winrate on all his chars. Often less than 30% in blitz
I would just think he quits a lot
He left and logged out so fast, couldn't even report him
broken otter
breaking stealth with abilities while moving forward, causes you to stop moving ...
Chat-GPT QA Department
But they're too cheap to pay for the premium model
safe pelican
but I'm not playing my rogue again this season in blitz. Just doing side quests ...
Boooooo , just roll diff spec bruv the one you suck at the most lol make it fun… only reason im playing outlaw is cause assa is too easy and ima sub main but sub is cooked rn
I’m feeling sub or assa shuffles this weekend though kinda tired or pirate blitz lowkey, only other class i actually have FUN playing is hunter cause im booty at mage
Warrior made me feel like i was losing brain cells
& I Can’t play healer classes cause i ain’t no 🐱😂 , shadow priest i think or lock would be the next fun dps class
TLDR: Rogue is the only option.
hidden dome
can't motivate myself to play any pvp if there is no reward to be had. And playing from 0 to 2.4 again on a different spec seems like a waste of time
Besides I'm an outlaw main by heart
I couldn't play some dagger rogue
I've been playing combat since BC
safe pelican
can't motivate myself to play any pvp if there is no reward to be had. And playi...
I feel this kinda why i haven’t hopped back in shuffle lol just don’t feel like pushing for the same rewards
Combat is cool i talked a mountain of shit about it before i rolled but it’s fun but the warning about carpel tunnel was legit had my hand sore af the other weekend after pushing was contemplating switching specs 🤣
Anyone know what the plunderstorm rewards are or if they are worth the time , any cool shit like a rare mount or badass title ? Never played it before
potent pivot
Anyone know what the plunderstorm rewards are or if they are worth the time , an...
You can see all the rewards in the pvp tab
I think you click plunderstorm->plunderstore iirc
safe pelican
Gracias , rewards are lameee to me the cape and tabard are the coolest things not a big pirate theme fan
Mount is dook, bring on the swift zulian tiger twitch drop already blizzard cut the bs
potent pivot
yeah can't say i like any of the mounts
i'll get the new set just for the hell of it
mystic pasture
i'll get the new set just for the hell of it
I am always game fro more black xmog options
especailly as alliance
languid ravine
the new Bruce mount is great it has coins clanking sound FX while walking
molten hedge
@potent pivot hey man ik ur good at BBP. do u know why those two dots are bigger? i cant figure out where the setting is to make them all the same size
i figure it would be in Nameplate Auras section
nvm i think i figured it out
preciate the help
😉
languid ravine
anytime
stoic spruce
Deepwind is only fun when playing like 4 classes
Undefeated in the bg on my dk
Plate classes reign Supreme in deepwind
outer sky
How is THIS easier than assa/affi
Lol this was so much fun
wtf when did this get nerfed from 3 targets with rupture to 2?
outer sky
Suggested we take a break cuz we lost a few in a row and idk I thought this was pretty funny lol
wanton breach
this is gonna take a bit, super rusty on my healer
hollow niche
Outlaw is fucking hard
stoic spruce
On top of the lack of kill pressure
hollow niche
Yeah see that's what I'm struggling with in solo shuffle
gusty hedge
Outlaw is fucking hard
hard to finish a kill but fun as shit
hollow niche
So every class I've gone to like 2100
First time playing a rogue in pvp yesterday
First game
0-6
Im a baby again
hollow niche
Are yall running killing spree?
willow valley
Are yall running killing spree?
KS was for outlaw right?
i still mix up ability names
hollow niche
Do people still use macros to target focus or do u use the setting blizzard has for setting a key bind to mutate the ability to focus
restive pebble
any reason why a lot of assa rogues are putting focus lens on wep/boots instead of rings?
pastel burrow
I don't think it matters where you put the embellishment
Just monkey see monkey do
stoic spruce
Are yall running killing spree?
Absolutely
hollow niche
so as assa are you running threw each target and applying garrote and rupture to everything?
gusty hedge
2nd account going up
verbal field
hollow niche
where do you guys get build from
cause icy veins is 99% of the time different than what ppl are using on leaderboards
fossil nova
can someone link the best dagger PvP talent build in Classic?
spring bough
did they increase plunder gains again?
pretty much joined the game and have 1k already
pastel burrow
You gain plunder insanely fast yeah
inner bluff
best rogue spec for pvp atm? been playing sub..
severe helm
best rogue spec for pvp atm? been playing sub..
Subs the best for blitz, assa is best for arena with outlaw close ish behind it
gusty hedge
Subs the best for blitz, assa is best for arena with outlaw close ish behind it
Outlaw best for WPvP
indigo hill
Why are people on the forums complaining that Outlaw is the most OP spec and 3 expansions ahead of all the other classes?
pastel burrow
the average forum thread is someone not particularly great at the game, whinging about whatever they just lost to
indigo hill
Sounds like it. Outlaw is good but imo far from the OP spec they describe it as. Sounds more like a situation where someone doesnt know how to counter a certain spec.
pastel burrow
that tends to be what brings most frustration in pvp yeah
its a big knowledge game and not everyone has the time or patience to learn it all
- complaining about rogue is just part of the WoW experience
severe helm
Outlaw best for WPvP<:breadblade:755178601929769090> <a:venthyr:7610335702779166...
Nah sub is best for 1v1s by a big margin
severe helm
Why are people on the forums complaining that Outlaw is the most OP spec and 3 e...
The forums are where the worst players in the game go to complain
You can consider them the "vocal minority"
spring bough
solo que times today are awful lol
languid ravine
so I ran out of conquest for my last two characters to 1800
anyways my epic BG winrate is like 2-12 now
oh look its the same team from before what a coincidence
gusty hedge
Nah sub is best for 1v1s by a big margin
Not talking 1v1 tho
severe helm
That's what most world pvp is haha
potent pivot
can someone link the best dagger PvP talent build in Classic?
check the pins in #classic-discussion for links to some classic discord servers
safe pelican
solo que times today are awful lol
queue times period bro
blitz and skirms been butt almost went on the assa to play some shuffs but had a feeling the queues would be bad there too kinda early
languid ravine
playing Lock for 1 hour made me toxic af
pointing out evry mistake because theres many xd
Look at this beauty, my masterpiece yet
Sub Rogue lobby xd
digital rock
hu man racial any good in pvp?
potent pivot
it's okay, but most people have gravitated away from using human
night elf is just kinda insane for rogue for example
if you only play sub, human is ok, but still not the best choice really
digital rock
does smeld reset outlaws stealth gun spamming passive
potent pivot
shadowmeld alone does not, you have to meld->stealth
but yes basically
most people just use a meld->stealth macro
hollow niche
Am I crippling myself playing sub in 3v3 and solo shuffle?
potent pivot
nah
spring bough
is there anything to do until season 2... already got everything from plunderstorm too lol
potent pivot
besides farming mogs on the siren isle and queuing up not much i guess
mystic pasture
I feel like having the flag of ownership is required as a rogue. Is there any way to get this anymore?
potent pivot
only on the black market auction house i think
spring bough
wtb a trickster update soon..... hunters already have had pack and dark ranger updated lol
spring bough
if they are giving M+ a 2850 mount...... we need a solo shuffle glad mount
with no recolor
just to piss off the 3s glads lol
better yet make it blitz 100x easier to get then LOL
mystic pasture
only on the black market auction house i think
looks like you can buy the TGC version too still
BMAH might be the cheaper option
mystic pasture
might try to make a character on a low pop realm....
spring bough
are they still getting KSM mount AND now a KSH mount
not sure. just saw there was a new one at 2850 M+ rating now
potent pivot
ye i just wonder if they're simply moving the ksm mount to ksh now
because they've already had ksm mounts forever
spring bough
def gonna get it during season 2. it looks dope
potent pivot
ok so
s2 ksm mount
s2 ksh mount
both are easy af to get tbh
ksh is just +12s
stoic spruce
That goes hard
spring bough
getting both
wtb solo glad mount now
2 milly hammer of lights on the ret feels so silly
esp when it procs right after for another 2 milly
KIR in pvp might be good season 2 if we can get 5 buffs and extend for a while lol
potent pivot
i think it's going to depend a lot on how the rolls are balanced out
atm 5 rolls are so much more common on ptr than on live that it kinda seems like there's no point in running kir
but the extra chance of getting 2 rolls is bugged on ptr so we aren't sure how it's going to play out yet
grave pier
Hey guys i have the 9 forged gladiators heraldry
i only have honour gear, what should i create?
just got back into the game
hollow niche
What spec
grave pier
Outlaw @hollow niche
potent pivot
check out what crafted pieces people use on murlok.io
i wouldn't craft weapons with them since you get free weapons after earning 2500 conquest
grave pier
we get a free wep after earning 2500 conquest?
potent pivot
2 free weapons yes
grave pier
Is this for every class? Cuz my priest friend is about to craft his wep ahaha
potent pivot
for outlaw you can craft neck/ring/boots
the free conquest weapons you get later are bis anyway because you want a lot of vers
hollow niche
Outlaw <@1279471860957970536>
Algari leather boots haste version Aurora embellishment. Algorithm belt haste version same embellishment
grave pier
How many crafted items can i wear?
grave pier
oh cool
hollow niche
As many as u want I think. But only TWO embellishments
potent pivot
conquest gear has much more vers on it
grave pier
gotchya i'll replace it when I get conq gear, im only honour rn since i got back in
the one u pay with gold too hehe
So i guess I'll craft Boots and Ring?
hollow niche
gotchya i'll replace it when I get conq gear, im only honour rn since i got back...
The embellishment makes up for the vers I'd say
Gives u dmg
potent pivot
the one u pay with gold too hehe
i would just craft 1 ring and boots, both haste/vers, both with Focusing Lens embellishment
grave pier
Ok thanks for the help man I appreciate it from both of you
wise crown
Has someone found a build without crackshot?
wise crown
Was scared of that. Thank you.
grave pier
i would just craft 1 ring and boots, both haste/vers, both with Focusing Lens em...
so looked at the embelishment, but I don't see any gem slots on the crafted item?
kinda useless then no? or will i see it after i actually craft it
potent pivot
so looked at the embelishment, but I don't see any gem slots on the crafted item...
you have to socket items yourself
and you have to socket the pvp gem so you kinda need 2 sockets
to make lens work
grave pier
ahh ok, how doe sone socket items?
potent pivot
ahh ok, how doe sone socket items?
by buying the items off the vendor
potent pivot
you can buy part of it off the AH
stoic spruce
This dude comes in intermittently and asks if there's a build without crackshot and then leaves.
potent pivot
yeah
potent pivot
you have to by the socket setting
and some bloodstones which can be bought on the AH
grave pier
guessing i should get the haste verst missive's too off AH
potent pivot
for the crafted items ye
grave pier
draconic missive's*
potent pivot
you can use all rank 1 mats for the crafted items
the rank won't effect the pvp ilvl
spring bough
This dude comes in intermittently and asks if there's a build without crackshot ...
Heard that dudes abandoned rogue 🧐
stoic spruce
Can you blame him? He knows what he wants
@wise crown would dropping ace give you the fix you need to hold you over until there's something else?
grave pier
how much to pay for commission if I am broke?
potent pivot
how much to pay for commission if I am broke?
like 200g is prolly fine if you're providing all the mats
wise crown
<@633819437098729472> would dropping ace give you the fix you need to hold you o...
I never considered it.
wise crown
Heard that dudes abandoned rogue 🧐
Abandon is a strong word. I just can't stand Crackshot playstyle.
I definitely thought about it.
grave pier
like 200g is prolly fine if you're providing all the mats
Any chance you know what the socket item is called in AH?
potent pivot
Any chance you know what the socket item is called in AH?
it's just vicious bloodstone
grave pier
sorry i meant
potent pivot
you have to buy the actual socket setting item with honor and bloodstones
grave pier
ahhh
potent pivot
or do you mean the embellishment