pvp

[potent pivot]

i mean that's basically just Rupture with a different skin

[outer sky]

it applied an MS though

[worthy crag]

thats wound poison for ya

also the only source of sub's snare, also dispellable

[outer sky]

i still dont know how I feel about all rogues having the same potency of MS

it's a poison

assass' should be stronger

[worthy crag]

it is

hemotoxin

[orchid plinth]

Both statements are true

[outer sky]

I mean baseline

or with something on the assa talent tree

also

is there any reason why kidney cant just be a fixed duration stun with a CD like HoJ or leg sweep?

[worthy crag]

with ms being the same percentage across the board, that will mean sin is better at it than every other class

idk how id feel about that

[outer sky]

warrior?

[orchid plinth]

Call me old but I like that

Like casters having worse MS, Arms having better MS

Rogues stacking up good MS like the old times

[outer sky]

yeah I dont see a problem with MS effects having varying potencies either

[orchid plinth]

I like Sharpen and Hemotoxin though, it's a thing that is just not "BIG DAM"

Like Smokebomb and Duel

But I am also a boomer

[outer sky]

hemo is just undertuned

it should be 40%

an extra 5% MS is bullshit

[orchid plinth]

It's 5%... Geeez

[fallen scaffold]

u guys see ret changes lmao

even more nub friendly, dont even have to manually press sac on teammates youreelf anymore. auto does it at 30% hp lolol. Or freedom

[open thunder]

[potent pivot]

missed all the good yap

[open thunder]

unlucky

always when im sleeping

[potent pivot]

lots of good changes overall

[stoic spruce]

Nuh uh

I'm looking for something to be mad at hold on

Oh thistle tea

Yeahhhh hate that

[safe pelican]

Fatebound Assass has me fanboying hard rn ngl , gotta see how it hits in arena once i hit 80

Envenom hitting like a truck finally

Edge Case is a really nice node for cleave that should be nice in shuffle /3s

[wintry dew]

Stop hyping me

Also the event will be like 2 month duration

[potent pivot]

you are a little late friend

[celest spade]

what secondary stats for outlaw? people talked about haste after vers but icy veins prioritizes crit over haste like in DF

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[nova viper]

like always

[celest spade]

so 10% haste then crit i guess

[potent pivot]

10-15%

but 10% minimum

[marble crag]

Why is everyone on the forums hating on the changes?

Isnt this what people were asking for? More healing, less button bloat and unsatiafying buttons

remove snd

[potent pivot]

because pikaboo complained about rogue getting nerfed his entire stream

[celest spade]

outlaw changes are great tbh

[marble crag]

we get more mobility

one more shadowstep is amazing

I dont seenwhy we need 3 charges of symbols to be honest

we only use symbols with sd

so buff symbols so its worth constantly pressing outside of dance

[marble crag]

How is it nerfed? The only nerf is the reduction of CDR which to be fair is a bit stupid and I hope they walk back on. Especially in arenas such a bursty spec as Sub needs to recharge chooldowns quicker

either that or reduce cooldown times in general

[potent pivot]

why are you asking me lol

i didn't say it was

[marble crag]

I dont expect it to be in the ptr class changes but i also hope a lot of stealth bug fixed

[marble crag]

no i know just thinking outloud gere

here*

maybe he gave a reasoning why its been nerfed

Pika plays a lot of assa. Thats a massive buf to crimson tempest which already deals a lot of damage

[marble crag]

wait no i just looked again and its kind of a nerf

[potent pivot]

no, it isn't

it is literally neither

[torpid bough]

Automatic tea is so Bad

[orchid plinth]

the godlaw himself? @spring bough https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCODOWNlu8E

[stoic spruce]

Bro hit the front page

[warm tundra]

im not familiar with rogue someone pls tell me if i should be hyped or let down

[potent pivot]

you can still use it manually, how is it bad?

[stoic spruce]

50 unused energy

[potent pivot]

i feel like people doom for no reason

straight up

[nova viper]

This is wow community

ppl always doom for no reason

ngl

[lavish idol]

How is PvP weekly vault working this expac? I see removed from vault. Nice change, so vault = PvE and PvP is another source?

[wintry dew]

It is for PvE assa atleast

[potent pivot]

wdym

[wintry dew]

We need to recharge charges to use in burst windows

If you make the mistake of going under 50, boom, tea gone

[potent pivot]

no pvp vault anymore, slightly buffed conquest per win and slightly higher weekly caps. we also get free weapons week 3 of the season so don't buy them first.

[potent pivot]

so... don't go under 50?

[wintry dew]

So ATM deathstalker in PvE wants to juggle between 50 and 150

In ST

[potent pivot]

i'm failing to see how it's bad

[lavish idol]

@potent pivot oh sweet, seems like a good change then. It did feel a slow process in DF. How do free weapons work?

[wintry dew]

You can't understand how easy it is to press mutilate once and go under 50? XD

During maintenances time

[potent pivot]

you'll get a quest that says "Earn X number of conquest"

once you earn that conquest, you'll get weapons from completing the quest

[nova viper]

Easy is not press mutilate

[wintry dew]

Heheheh

[potent pivot]

why would you want to juggle 50-150 though

do you not run SB in pve?

[wintry dew]

Deathstalker pve

Sb?

Oh

[potent pivot]

Sanguine Blades

the passive Exsang

[wintry dew]

Yes but we want to not lose energy for that

Only during cds

[potent pivot]

huh

[wintry dew]

Yeah do !pooling in assa

[potent pivot]

!pooling

[wintry dew]

Not here xD

[potent pivot]

thought maybe it'd work here

[orchid plinth]

!pooing

[potent pivot]

SB wants you to stay above 150

[wintry dew]

Yew

[potent pivot]

why would you want to stay under

[wintry dew]

Yes

[potent pivot]

(aka between 50 and 150) ?

[wintry dew]

As deathstalker st we want to spam and get envenoms going

[tawdry wraith]

Not for deathstalker

[wintry dew]

My yes was for the SB explanation

[potent pivot]

well

this is #pvp

[tawdry wraith]

It wants you to be below 50%

[potent pivot]

i feel sorry for you guys x(

[wintry dew]

#assassination message

Explanation

[tawdry wraith]

That was quite some lag in the messages

[potent pivot]

i mean

[wintry dew]

Yeah sorry this is all PvE stuff, doesn't matter

[potent pivot]

wouldn't the APL just need to be updated

that will likely just... change

[marble crag]

It feels like as sub in gonna have to micro my energy now to make sure it doesnt trigger outside of my dances etc.

This change is on paper a nice QoL but id just remove the mastery passive and put it somewhere else and leave tea just as energy, passive for sub and more active for assa to stay above 150

[potent pivot]

outside of your dances it's not that hard to pool imo

not much else going on

if tea was energy only it wouldn't exactly be capstone level powerful i think

[marble crag]

Isn't it? Outside of dances is precisely whe my energy evaporates with a couple of backstabs and evis. In dance i have it macrod for the mastery so i dont care.

[wintry dew]

For us in assa is mainly energy

[marble crag]

Yes certainly not

[potent pivot]

in pve yeh

[wintry dew]

Yep yep. I'll stop the PvE talk now, good chat trickz :3

[potent pivot]

xD

[tawdry wraith]

@wanton tapir spotted a breach

[potent pivot]

oh wait so

you do NOT take SB as Deathstalker sin

that was my only confusion

[wintry dew]

My bad as well, I kinda talked as it did

[potent pivot]

yeah that's why i thought 50-150 was odd

it almost seems like

idk

maybe the class tree just needs a rework

like we've been asking for

[wintry dew]

Yeah the 150 part is just to ensure you're USING the energy to get envenoms (and finishers) going

[marble crag]

Hey surely the Auras of the resolute of the paladin talent wont apply for pvp right?

That is a huge buff for casters in the palas team otherwise.

[vocal surge]

You forgot me in the 2nd half

lol

[orchid plinth]

sorry i dont know everyone by heart here 💔

[cyan mural]

Do you actually want to have Tea or do you hope in the long run Tea gets replaced with something different?

[warm tundra]

is vancleef sub or sin?

[vocal surge]

I think he's messing up his rotation or probably had a lot of games where it was too easy and just cleared the skirm super fast

Me and Van had the result of killing the other team in seconds

He's Outlaw

[potent pivot]

he's played war games as well

[potent pivot]

tbh i've never liked it

[vocal surge]

Btw know what he was running for his build?

[potent pivot]

not fully, but definitely CS

[vocal surge]

I can't watch his Fatebound stream

All I see is Trickster playing in my head

I felt agony

Poor Cvark got killed in his burst window

[azure rapids]

3vs Alliance 😛 got "Slayer of the Alliance"

https://youtu.be/idkXQlxoaIU?si=z97IvBcIfxZBkMCt

having an Absolute Blast as Outlaw in WPVP 😄

sorry if this is the wrong place to post stuff like this

[vocal surge]

Lad that wasn't a PvP Encounter

That was a Campaign Mission for a Pixel Strategy game

[azure rapids]

:))

for being just 3 hordes in a highly alliance ratio server,had a blast 😄

[proven kayak]

we hit jackpot today i sold honor potion recipe for 30k

unforunately enchants cost a fortune but if its mandatory to keep honor weaps for 3 weeks im gnna enchant em

also why every addons beside bigdebuffs have lua error or doesnt work at all

[potent pivot]

I wouldn’t say mandatory, but kind of a waste to spend the conq on a weapon

Once we know more I was thinking about buying a conq 1h and playing more outlaw for the first couple weeks

We might be able to craft blue honor gear and the enchants stay on them when upgraded to conquest crafted so that may be an option as well

But we won’t know for sure until that’s tested by someone

[proven kayak]

i wont enchant before season drop anyway

@potent pivot do u have any clue why most of my addons doesnt work ?

or anyone who hqad the same problem returning to game after 2 ssns?

i updated everything in the cursefogrge but only big debuffs works

[potent pivot]

A lot of pvp addons have lost support

[proven kayak]

gladius and sarena doesnt work

both

[potent pivot]

If you check my latest pin

[proven kayak]

ive seen to work for pp

l

[potent pivot]

It has addons that are all updated

There is also a “gladius updated by max” on curseforge which should also work

[orchid plinth]

Bicmex gladius should be on curse forge

[potent pivot]

For sArena you need “sArena updated by sammers”

[orchid plinth]

There is also gladiusex if you want more features, like CD tracking

[proven kayak]

i prefer gladius tbf

[potent pivot]

Just letting you know :d

[proven kayak]

thanks im gonna search for it

also all the omni cc and cd doesnt work aswell

even tho seems updated

[potent pivot]

Those should work

Try deleting and reinstalling

[proven kayak]

yeah that should do cus they perma get lua error so might be the problem in my files and not addons itselfs

[orchid plinth]

Then use Gladius by Bicmex

[proven kayak]

i will

[potent pivot]

I have the bicmex one and it’s been bugging out

[orchid plinth]

He runs it and updates it on stream like a two days ago so it's actively maintained I'm pretty sure

Oh ok

[potent pivot]

It works but I see 2 of everything

Might be a me problem

[orchid plinth]

Do you mean as in you see the original are a frames?

[potent pivot]

Naw

I see two gladiuses lmao

[orchid plinth]

Very cool

One for each eye

[proven kayak]

seems some of them fixxed

gladius isnt tho

ok it did

[wanton breach]

double the amount of information

big brain

[topaz bobcat]

how we feeling about the changes so far?

I installed plater btw and now I'm fucked have to spend time customizing so it doesn't show DK horsemen same way as DK itself

there is a way to get someone's settings for plater with a string or smth right?

[proven kayak]

the only thing i dislike is the removal of this [Invigorating Shadowdust]

[potent pivot]

yes, but i'm not sure how useful any of them will be in pvp

check wago.io

[proven kayak]

sub does a lot of dmg tho

but with the vanish chnage idk the damage will drop

[potent pivot]

the dmg in your burst windows won't drop

you just have more time between your big goes

[proven kayak]

but my windows could be bigger with aggressive vanish

I do insane amounts of damage in arenas rn

[sick wasp]

bruh frostfire mage

like there is no reason to play anything else

i havent lost a single arena or bg

never

what is this class

i just destroy eveyrone

[potent pivot]

that's exactly how i feel on DK lmao

[sick wasp]

dks can survive coz they are very strong rn but how can u respond to iceform/wall and TW proc

idk man

its disgusting

its unreal man

[drifting rover]

which spec will be meta in 11.0.5? i guess assa but not sure.

[sick wasp]

i killed 2 sin rogues

on my mage

my bar didnt even move

sub rogue

and dks

some warriors and monks here and there and presvokers

[orchid plinth]

It's much easier to get going with something like BetterBlizzPlates - use Plater if you want to spend some time with it imo. Plater is like the WearAuras of nameplates - u can do anything you want.

[marble crag]

Way less burst windows means less damage overall tho

[potent pivot]

it isn't way less burst windows

[marble crag]

How, in the time that you had 3 before you will have 2 now

[potent pivot]

you also still get more dance+symbols windows

[potent pivot]

what

[marble crag]

Burst windows. With less cdr now you will have to wait more in between which means less windows per game which means less damage

[potent pivot]

i'm willing to bet you that, if we don't get any dmg nerfs, sub is going to feel incredibly similar to how it is now

[topaz bobcat]

thanks.

[potent pivot]

if you were blowing both vanishes off the rip for damage you were not playing properly in the first place

[marble crag]

well yes obviously

they cleary want to shift away from vanish as a offensive and make it a defensive.

which would be fine if they tuned something else up. Not sure symbols only will cut it

but will see

they may do more iterations of the ptr

[potent pivot]

the worst part about the nerf is that you can't reset kidney/gouge etc

the dmg difference is going to be kinda negligible with our current tuning

[orchid plinth]

First they took our Kidney, then they took our Dust-Kidney

[potent pivot]

everyone should have already seen this coming

[topaz bobcat]

Don't bait me

[potent pivot]

they never should have given Dust to sub or back to rogue in general

[topaz bobcat]

I haven't trolled in 10 hours

I cannot hold any longer

[potent pivot]

to be fair if you start trolling again it's going to end with a mute

just keeping it real with you so you know

[marble crag]

i mean i am fine with the change if after tuning abilities and damage we end up in the same place as now. It would mean less bottons to press :p

[orchid plinth]

TBH the little time I've played with Dust I never even use it because I am too garbage "what I have kidney and dance again!?"

[marble crag]

why is that?

[potent pivot]

because abilities like that tend to be very difficult to balance around

look at outlaw in SL when it used Dust

[marble crag]

fair enough, ideally each ability should have a more reasonable cd time maybe instead of relying on vanishes

[potent pivot]

when you give a class CDR from actually using their rotation; i.e. outaw's restless blades, sub's dance. they actually have to work for it and get less CDR when they are shut down

[marble crag]

or other abilities. Like i find reducing cd with evis feels very good to play with.

[topaz bobcat]

what about my 10s of alts?

[potent pivot]

when you give them 1 button that auto gives CDR, it becomes difficult to balance

[potent pivot]

i mean evading it would just result in a ban

[marble crag]

makes sense

[proven kayak]

is this a bait so i can lvl up one

[potent pivot]

why push it lol

[proven kayak]

did they get nerfed tho in the next patch?

[potent pivot]

next patch isn't really for tuning, it's moreso redesign in general

[topaz bobcat]

I'm a discord creature. This is my natural habitat. I was born here, I was shaped in the underbelly of discord channels.

[potent pivot]

actual tuning will be coming over the next week or two

[warm tundra]

someone link me the bot command for the best stats on each spec pvp

[potent pivot]

i don't really care, as long as you aren't trolling and ragebaiting people you're fine

contribute to discussions in a meaningful way

[topaz bobcat]

[orchid plinth]

I just want it to feeeel good to play

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

Subtlety: Vers>Mastery>Crit>Haste
Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Crit=/=Haste
Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You likely want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw for an extra GCD during ADR/Crackshot windows. Take 'em by Surprise gives you 10% during CS windows, so you only need 10-15% from gear.

[orchid plinth]

Right now I am a bit overwhelmed by the amount of small damage CDs off global is my only complaint

I guess auto-tea solves that... a bit... maybe

[potent pivot]

you'll still have to press Tea

[orchid plinth]

I think it's a bit boring when using Macros is almost promoted

[potent pivot]

don't go play hunter then, lol

[orchid plinth]

no worries

Though Survival is neat

[potent pivot]

basically every single ability is a macro

[orchid plinth]

Great game

[potent pivot]

and should have pet attack macro'd to it and shit

[topaz bobcat]

is wow on geforce now any good?

terrible unplayable lag?

[potent pivot]

no idea

[orchid plinth]

But I guess having one swifty macro isn't too bad. Imagine if there were NO macros.

[potent pivot]

might be able to get an answer in #wow-general though

[potent pivot]

those are the ones i dislike

[orchid plinth]

yeah but I dont wanna manually press SYMBOLSDANCEBLADESBLOODFURYBADGETEA

[sick wasp]

no frostfire mage is rly strong

i havent played anything this strong up until now besides dk and sub rogue

[fallen scaffold]

im having hella fun on mine

just learning how to survive..... but ya the dmg is insane

[potent pivot]

but once you get good at it

[proven kayak]

ok i will just lvl up one mage i took the name forstitute

[potent pivot]

is it just me or does EVERYTHING feel really strong?

[sick wasp]

assassination is cool and all and u can bigbrain some dmg but dotn be fooled,sin has major survivability issues once ppl start trading cds with u

[fallen scaffold]

im talkin about mage

kekw

[sick wasp]

i dont think so,in terms of dmg,these 3 are one step ahead of the others

[orchid plinth]

while narrating it a la Pikaboo

[sick wasp]

feral has potential and elesham ofc but

mage has immunities and cc

its very ery strong

[potent pivot]

ww, fury, frost mage, UH dk, feral, affli, ele, disc, pres, MM

almost every class has something really strong rn

[spring bough]

Was his rotation priority Coup > KS > then crack rotation? Cause if he was doing normal crack rotations and ignoring those as prio that’s why he prob thinks it’s terrible lmao

[sick wasp]

i dont think fury does as much dmg as mage,same as ww and feral

aff ramps faster and its strong ye

[potent pivot]

i think the guy knows how to play better than all of us combined homie

[sick wasp]

hunters eh idk

not anymore

[marble crag]

I only ever see ferals compain that the spec is dead in pvp 😮

[potent pivot]

yeah idk about that one

aimed shot and rapid fire fucking slap

[marble crag]

i havent played it so i wouldnt know but i see that on reddit etc.

[spring bough]

Didn’t say he wasn’t but that slight change in the rotation makes the build work lmao

[sick wasp]

RF does dmg ye but i dont feel this helpless as before idk

mabe its just mage being better

[potent pivot]

yeh i'm just saying i think he realizes the truth, that fatebound is better

[spring bough]

Sounds good with me. When tricks at the top this season he will change lmao

[fallen scaffold]

how else do i stay alive besides the obvious ice block and kiting/staying away from damage, ccing/keeping people in polys and/or not playing the game... like i feel like i dont really have anything to negate damage if im forced to take it? like no wall of any kind? am i basicallly just healing with displacement while keeping my shields up and trying to stay far away as possible? im not missing some major defensive cd right

[sick wasp]

mage has wall wdym

[potent pivot]

you sound really sure of yourself here.. sorry i had to be the one to inform you (trickster is bad)

[sick wasp]

it actually has 2 walls

[fallen scaffold]

like monks biggest "defensive" is their ability to kite and port, but they still have karma and brew and shit.. whats mages version

what are they

greater invis?

[candid tide]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqdPpy3NT6c 1v2

[fallen scaffold]

mirror image

mass barrier is like a mini wall i suppose?

[sick wasp]

blastwave,db=>sheep,4 novas,orb/blizard on ur feet and ring

and 4 blinks

[fallen scaffold]

right i get that

[spring bough]

I am sure of the spec. You think we all troll. When we get to the top and people switch you’ll see

[halcyon timber]

Ferals are too busy huffing paint from home depot using grocery bags and silly straws.

[sick wasp]

mirror image and coldest snap

[potent pivot]

i just don't see how that could happen when the people at the top are already not playing it :p

[spring bough]

They going to be scratching their heads when they sent anymore

[halcyon timber]

MI is a 20% wall right? And they get a heal for each one that gets smoked

[fallen scaffold]

coldest snap only effects cone of cold?

[orchid plinth]

there was someone in Kalvish chat speaking about Trickster Outlaw being able to 1v3 but its a secret with a bunch of % modifiers that's really strong

[fallen scaffold]

i dont even take it

[orchid plinth]

Seems legit

[spring bough]

And with that ima log off till elite see yahs in the season lmao. Don’t know how many more comparisons I can link and videos I can show to see it’s equal and actually playable at an elite level lmao

[topaz bobcat]

outlaw offhand dagger is bad?

[potent pivot]

nope

[topaz bobcat]

ok but I'll get 2x swords soon for free anyway right?

[orchid plinth]

Axe has haste so I think a lot of people plays 2 of those. But it's not really important.

[wintry dew]

1

Right?

[potent pivot]

they said weapons

[halcyon timber]

Sleep well man. I just hit my first class here of the day.

[wintry dew]

Better than I expected then

[topaz bobcat]

they might have meant 1 weapon for each spec

so 1x dagger, 1x sword

or 2x daggers 1x sword who knows

[potent pivot]

not all specs in the game use diff weapons though

i think we're just going to get a choice of 2 daggers or 2 swords

[sick wasp]

nvm coldest snap was confused coldest snap is for m+ aoe rotation

i meant the node that makes block into a walking wall

[halcyon timber]

Prob will happen like ol janky bfa chest where you chose your stuff

[fallen scaffold]

o dam ppl take that

[sick wasp]

yes they do

[halcyon timber]

Which is the only good thing about that nonsense expansion

[sick wasp]

ice cold^^

[halcyon timber]

That the wall while they defrost like a frozen pizza?

[sick wasp]

lmao

[candid tide]

do you guys pre blades before opening or blades after cheapshot

[sick wasp]

i preblades

[halcyon timber]

Si

[candid tide]

aye

[sick wasp]

frost mage is just insane,idk

this sht needs to be piped down

[fallen scaffold]

only 1 person on murlok

[sick wasp]

stupid op class

[fallen scaffold]

takin it

its showin

[sick wasp]

murklok

pre season

[candid tide]

fmages have 0 cast now right

[fallen scaffold]

ye i know

[candid tide]

all instants

[sick wasp]

[candid tide]

like in cata

[halcyon timber]

https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/cef/609/90a233a5af89c0c3ecc6d71fd7ed65c29f-bird-box.rsquare.w400.jpg

Mages : what do you mean op?

[sick wasp]

ahhahahaha

[fallen scaffold]

shhhhh

[sick wasp]

theyve nerfed icelance by 30% or something

it didnt make any difference

[fallen scaffold]

17% dmg nerf in pvp

needed mroe but shhhh

[sick wasp]

they did sidenerf it as well

but ye anyway

[wanton tapir]

Good eye king

[sick wasp]

stupid ass class

[fallen scaffold]

its rmp seasonnnnnn

[candid tide]

it will come, deathmark had like 3 nerfs or some at df season 1

[sick wasp]

classic sub/frost-open hard type of thang

sub triple cheaps,u cast ur stuff,dmg delays 2 seconcs and everything dies perfectly

just

poetry

[orchid plinth]

I'm probably gonna use my boost for a Mage. Gotta have at least one alt! I've never played one myself, since I always played with mages. Now I don't so it's time to try it.

I wonder how fire is looking on the PTR It's absolute garbage right now, correct?

[fallen scaffold]

i havent palyed since ranking to r14 in classic during covid on one, and it feels good

[sick wasp]

discord server died out though,ive left

is anyone there?

[orchid plinth]

Who what why which Discord?

[sick wasp]

RM?

[orchid plinth]

Aaaah no idea!

[sick wasp]

.. that emoji u did is from that server

anyway nvm me

[orchid plinth]

Nahj

[sick wasp]

ye nahj yoinked it probably

bro was there as well

[candid tide]

do you guy slike dance with symbols and tea together on a serprate bind

[wanton breach]

separate for me

[candid tide]

yes so i do 2 dance key binds

one without anything

[proven kayak]

i have an all in button

[candid tide]

and one does the above

[proven kayak]

with all of them bind

[candid tide]

yeah i feel to risky to do that imo

if that is a sequence macro that u meant

[long shore]

hi guys, just bought the expansion. how are rogues so far?

and which build should i be playing?

[proven kayak]

why tho ?

[proven kayak]

they are good all 3 specs play what you like

[potent pivot]

they're good, builds are in the pins

[long shore]

ah okay tyty!

[candid tide]

cause what if the guy trinkets during ur sequence

[potent pivot]

i don't think he meant a sequence macro

[candid tide]

ah ok mb

[potent pivot]

think they meant for all of his off GCD CDs

[proven kayak]

^

[candid tide]

gotcha

[tawdry imp]

my dude what buttons are you pressing here, what hit him for 2.5m?

[potent pivot]

probably Echoing

it's a "meme" one shot

[halcyon timber]

The “ i hate my class doing anything effective so make sure to do randalls job for him” type builds

[tawdry imp]

ah I've heard of it but never used it since it wasn't in the builds I looked at

looks wild for duels

[sick wasp]

thats the ER rotten tech right?

[grave basin]

https://x.com/Portergauge/status/1831889668591518132

Portergauge 🏳️‍🌈 (@Portergauge) on X

Man, they REALLY took the critique of Dark Ranger's underwhelming visuals to heart, holy shit lmao

Twitter · Sep 6, 2024, 2:58 AM

[proven kayak]

rotten one shot in sl was my fav

[grave basin]

dark ranger visuals

for those that care

[sick wasp]

but i cant rly generate that high a number

[grave basin]

and havent sdeen

[sick wasp]

idk if rotten can hit for 2.5mil

maybe something else

[proven kayak]

I said in SL the rotten cheese spec 😄

not now

[sick wasp]

yeah ik,i asked if that 2.5mil was rotten combo

[proven kayak]

ah sry didnt realise

[halcyon timber]

I like rotten regardless and 2m isn’t that high of a number considering some diabetes owl does that with star surges

[sick wasp]

its ok fam dw

owls cant survive dks or monks or fury wars

[halcyon timber]

Don’t matter anyway, back to riding the pine and pouring gatorade for the W key classes

[sick wasp]

kinda whatever meme specs

[proven kayak]

the 10% exp from warband is insane

[halcyon timber]

And darkmoon fair

• warmode bonus too

[grave basin]

imagine 25

[proven kayak]

I also played for first time today survival in bg/arena i fucking suck

[grave basin]

sv is really awk to play rn

if you arent used to tip mechanic

[proven kayak]

it wasnt the tip mechanic

all the years i only play rogue its second nature to me

now i have to see when cds coming back and stuff

[halcyon timber]

Rets waking up reading the changes

[grave basin]

unrelated but can we completely solo castle nathria yet

with no mechanics to 1 tap or MC us

[proven kayak]

yes with the exception of kael

[grave basin]

kael.thas?

[proven kayak]

it can be soloed in every mode except mythic

yes

but if u want i can help you to heal it if you do it rn in EU servers

[candid tide]

f this stelath bug ffs

[halcyon timber]

Its a feature

[tawdry imp]

my favourite part is how it's definitely not just one bug either, it's a whole suite of them

[halcyon timber]

Yeah I reported it a lot since launch on all of the interactions

[candid tide]

yo ive literally spammed 20 evis on this fmage and it did 20% of his hp

[halcyon timber]

Likely some Harry Potter shit healing him man

[spring bough]

Rival 2 is illusion now?

[somber plank]

Awww man

I'm a 1800 jeremy

How were the SS qs btw, Ive never played it

[halcyon timber]

No one knows as the season aint live. They were a mixed bag at times in DF.

[somber plank]

Yeah I've heard from like an hour to 15min

[halcyon timber]

In DF could be around only a few min, sometimes hour long. Then throw in the bozos who want to rage quit or stand around trash talking and yeah

Still fun but definitely irritating at times

[somber plank]

Yeah it looks like a bag of fun

[halcyon timber]

Just queueing blitz and shuffle now

I dont have team mates so yep

[somber plank]

And my 2s buddy is moving out of the country for like 3 months so I figured it's finally my time to enter

Well, when the season starts

[halcyon timber]

Yeah i need my friend to be better to push him. Can’t force that so ill be doing a lot of soli stuff.

[somber plank]

Blitz was fun when I caught it in pre patch

[halcyon timber]

Def is fun

Still have smooth brains treating it like randoms but yeah

[somber plank]

Except I only managed like 7 pieces of conq gear lmao so I couldn't do anything

So I really only q'd twice

But still

[halcyon timber]

Gearing is very straight forward now at least . Blizzy knocked it out of the park

[somber plank]

Yeah they look good

[halcyon timber]

Very happy w all in house gearing

Def really like delves too . Had a lot of fun w that through alpha and beta

Keystones are cool but haven’t done that in a long time since meta slaves making things irritating or 2 kids from ragnaros want to trash talk a healer etc

[somber plank]

I actually thought it'd be the return of torghast but they did really well with em

[halcyon timber]

I did like torghast when it was hard

I like challenge tower stuff

[somber plank]

Yeah I told myself it's probably time to play the rest of the game this expac

Instead of just spamming 2s for a season

[halcyon timber]

Like when mage tower came back out and i cleared that mf in the first few tries

Took a min to remember how that crap worked

Delves are a lot of fun and i really dig the dnd return of things to wow

[somber plank]

Honestly great xpac so far

[warm tundra]

what are the main pvp talents on outlaw?

[halcyon timber]

No idea man, wait for them to pop up and they will give you a bunch of thorough answers

[halcyon timber]

Yep agreed, just stop with the anti rogue propaganda and we are cool

[somber plank]

Like I said man I'm all for this mini rework haha

[halcyon timber]

Just a talent update

Its great though

[somber plank]

I think my perception may be skewed because I missed Legion sub

Which I hear was bananas

[halcyon timber]

Hate legion

The start of rat packing dance and focusing on 1 aspect of us

Df made great steps

And tww is better

[somber plank]

Yeah i started proper pvping in SL for a season and half of season 1 DF

So I feel like I've never felt the dips

[halcyon timber]

They put a lot of elements (depending how you choose to talent) to return pieces of our past in a restorative and healthy way

Im all for it

Focusing on 1 aspect of anything isn’t good. Allowing the player to make choices for themselves is key. (Referencing game development books on tenants and such)

[somber plank]

I think my stint in PvP before that was like

Wotlk assass

[halcyon timber]

Yeah was sick

[somber plank]

It was great

[halcyon timber]

Too many saboteurs advocated for bleeds and now they ended up w this stuff

Fattttt mutilates were sick

[somber plank]

And then I come back 5+ years later and my only wish was granted

Baseline shadowstep

[halcyon timber]

Was going to happen eventually

[somber plank]

I've only experienced Ws hahaha

[halcyon timber]

Combining more lessons of the past is a great step

[somber plank]

When it comes to the rogue experience at least

[halcyon timber]

Gather round the campfire youngling

[somber plank]

Lmaoo tales of legends past

[halcyon timber]

Once upon a time, we used abilities and they crushed assholes. Then the dark ages of legion nonsense radically changed our ways and we have been slowly returning to a complete kit ever since. The end for now.

[candid tide]

anybody knows a windows app for keyboard to change the default keys, like i wanna try swapping my alt and spacebar function

heard spacebar is a good alt alternative

[halcyon timber]

Prob can do that through GE force apps or Razer no? ( example)

[somber plank]

You can try VIA but depends on if your kB is supported

[candid tide]

ye ur right, ima try my own keychron firmware 👍

[candid tide]

ill have a ccheck thanks

[somber plank]

Oh maybe joy2key

I think it's more for controllers

But it might work

[warm tundra]

how do dps specs heal in arena

i see some people going behind corners and using something

but not sure what

[indigo hill]

Depends on the class

[warm tundra]

did they make the bandage talent something universal?

[warm tundra]

rogue/warrior/any dps u wouldnt expect to heal

[indigo hill]

Warrior have a talent that heals and takes away certain dots. Rogues have their elixir to heal and a talent that heals them after a vanish or shadowdance

[halcyon timber]

Warr also have second wind back

Bitter immunity heal + cm shout (temp hp) and victory rush etc

Bandages are good as well yeah

Certain races have heals as well. Zandalari Draenai dwarves fire blood technicallt etc iirc

[warm tundra]

is there anything i can do on eye of the storm as a rogue

i never felt less useful

[halcyon timber]

You sneak around getting flags and stirring shit up for the main body to push through

Lots you can do

Scuff up the people reviving and delaying a healer from drinking / getting to a fight. Use distract to Detour people off a bridge etc. the possibilities are limited only to creativity.

Real happy about these changes man. The more I think about it all. Good stuff.

[marble crag]

But pikaboo has said that rogue is cooked reeeeeee

[rain crown]

War second wind makes resetting in a 1v1 way worse

[marble crag]

Its done guys rogue is dead. Its cooked we're locked in *read in pikas voice

[rain crown]

I blinded dude and went to get a re and he just healed to full

[marble crag]

It's crazy

[halcyon timber]

Could give a duckin duck what he or anyone said

Think for yourselves boys

[somber plank]

I have 2 keybinds back fellas it's a good day

[warm tundra]

can i fucking kill something?

[last jasper]

Idk. Losing cdr for a fcking symbols charge kinda shit 😂

[halcyon timber]

Its what the pvers and the forums wanted man

Dunno its closer to having SV back so im cool w it

[halcyon timber]

Yes you can, just have to think a little more than other classes unfortunately

[warm tundra]

its not about thinking

[halcyon timber]

Not allowed to unga bunga. Shit is forbidden

[warm tundra]

warrior presses his spin button

and he passively "deals" with me

warlock gets 2 dots on me im basically dead

i have 3 gcd worth of time before i have to immediately run and hide so i dont die

the only mild success i found is exclusively going for small skirmishes

[warm tundra]

can fdruid unga bunga?

[halcyon timber]

Kinda yeah

We take precision and finesse here man.

[warm tundra]

id just appreciate if warlock would not be a difficult 1v1 that is all

ill actually go even lower and say id appreciate if any 1v1 match up besides another rogue wouldnt be sweaty

[rotund mountain]

what do you guys find to be the toughest 1v1s

lock and mage spook me, but i feel like lock should be handleable

[warm tundra]

fdruid for me

also mage yeah

[candid tide]

im winning skirms now atlast xD

[mild viper]

hey guys, is there a bug where u get randomly kicked out of stealth when getting honor in bgs?

[dense spruce]

is set BiS for pvp on rogue?

[alpine tinsel]

why is bonespike a passive now lmao

If you told me two years ago I'd be sitting here with 7 CPs, reduced melee range, no MfD and a 30 second kidney....

...well I'd still play assa rogue cuz I love it, but damn

[chrome schooner]

Yeah all the combined changes are starting to pile up

[alpine tinsel]

It's getting real weird

I'm all in the spirit of making it work, but geez man

oh and of course the reduced cc

[charred marsh]

does anyone ever run dragon tempered blades in pvp? or is crippling poison too valuable?

[candid tide]

bruh im getting used to a123 in skirms this is going well

[warm tundra]

5th eye of the storm queue in a row

https://tenor.com/view/pain-agony-ww1-shell-shock-gif-23591580

[chrome schooner]

@potent pivot since we were talking about it I logged and apparently I have completed the 20 spark quests thing

But I clearly never did it 20 times

[sharp sierra]

hey guys, i recently bought an mmo mouse and i was wondering if some of you use one and if yes what do you typically bind to the side buttons ; rotation ? cds ? rare niche stuff ?

oops sry did mean to post this in pvp xd

[alpine tinsel]

my whole top row is 1-12, I reprogrammed the mouse for 1-4 to be p L [ ] since I never use them, and that way I can have 1-4 on my keyboard still available

[alpine tinsel]

lmao sry ignore me then

[vocal surge]

Sub Rogues, Frost DKs, Frost Mage, Avatar of the Sun Ret Paladin, and Shadow Priest

Warlocks really depend

Afflock + Succubus pet is the worst combo

[candid tide]

is ur mutilate binded on mouse side buttons or some?

kidney 6 cloak 7 dang insane

if thats on normal keyboard

[halcyon timber]

Bbq tong fingers

[alpine tinsel]

its a 12 button mouse lol, so mut is my "2" button and kidney is 6

[obsidian plume]

you can pretty bind however you like, just have in mind a minor tip, and that is that when you spam mouse keys, you will be reducing your wrist fine motricity/fine motor skill, which means your precision with the cursor will be also reduced. That means, for example, if you have a mouseover macro and you tipicaly use that mouseover over plates, (potentially shadowstep for example) you will have a harder time hitting the mouseover correctly. Also anoter tip that can be helpfull, is try to bind keys in mouse and kb, that tipicaly would be pressed at the same time. For example, simbols in mouse and sd in kb allows for an easier instant both keypress

[chrome schooner]

The very best keybind you can have is sap@arena on the mousewheel as long as you have a mouse that can unclip the wheel and send it spinning

Can't lose sap duels in stealth

[alpine tinsel]

thats so big brain lmao

[inland thorn]

Outlaw is insane in terms of damage ngl

Blade flurry does crazy work with no talents invested

I'm playing HO rn since I don't have enough haste to try KiR but holy shit how insane is this spec

1:20 sec blind is pretty nuts too

[vocal surge]

What hero talent you doing?

[inland thorn]

I've tried both and trickster damage is much better

Fatebound might cook with KiR though

If I find a way to use cold blood...

[rotund pumice]

What I do is put my rotation abilities on 456 so my thumb has easier access to 789101112

I used to have it on 123 but it was a big movement for my thumb to go down to the lower numbers

[vocal surge]

Another Trickster gamer

[inland thorn]

I prefer trickster by a mile, even for pve and everything else

Kinda wish they'd make KS and Coup de Grace different though

[vocal surge]

For me

I'd say make Dispatch proc Unseen Blade

Just no proc from Coup

[wet crown]

Auto thistle sounds so bad, am I missing something?

[inland thorn]

No, it is bad

[wet crown]

The whole point is to have the energy when you need it

so wtf

[inland thorn]

Only good for casuals who don't like extra buttons

[wet crown]

make it a choice node then?

like tf we doing

kinda like shaman has the targeted earthquake and the objectively better location targeted earthquake

[alpine tinsel]

or extra mastery when you want it, bad change for sure

[wet crown]

well that too, yeah

same reason though, pop it when you're ready to ruin someone's day

I don't really want my thistle tea to pop while I'm backstabbing a guy waiting for my cds

wtf is that

[tawdry wraith]

the potential solution would be to not mindlessly stab away while you dont do any real damage anyways

[inland thorn]

Legit if you get in any situation where you can cleave

It's gg

[vocal surge]

Aye

Had a game where all 3 of the enemy team clumped up

And my Killing Spree critted

Watched everyone quite literally melt

100 to 10%

From the combined pressure

[wet crown]

interesting

[modern gust]

is stealth breaking super easily for weird reasons for anyone else?

feels like if someone looks in my direction it breaks stealth

[inland thorn]

Some spells break stealth, it's a bug

Like Malevolence from warlock breaks stealth in a 100yds radius

But also if you play fatebound and you have a target when you press snd in stealth, it throws a coin and removes stealth

[vocal surge]

^

Also prevents people from drinking behind pillars

[modern gust]

very frustrating

[spring bough]

So if it’s a known bug. And they exploit the bug to win…. Hmmmmmm

Think I just found a way to get blizz to fix. Just report all these warlocks for bug exploit 😂

[wanton breach]

you dare upset the main characters?

[spring bough]

Blizz either gonna ban their favorite or fix the bug 😂

[grave basin]

also can confirm cold blood killing spree

crits your entire killing spree

[outer sky]

What

[grave basin]

true and real

[wet crown]

holy shit

[grave basin]

1 cast , 14 hits

14 crits

[wet crown]

now that's funny

[grave basin]

1.7m dam btw

one button

[wet crown]

now that's hot.

what build ya running? was gonna try pinned one after this bg

[spring bough]

No alacrity? Y’all wilding

[fervent shell]

can I get away with not running outlaw for pvp? I'm coming back after having completely skipped dragonflight

[grave basin]

no youre legally obligated to play outlaw

[fervent shell]

oh okay

https://tenor.com/bGskb.gif

[grave basin]

t e a

[fervent shell]

wait, it's illegal to not be an outlaw? 🧠

[spring bough]

Try it with trick for that added 20%+ finisher damage when u get 8+ flawless stacks lol

Should be able to hit a two milly

[halcyon timber]

Don’t let god damn randall see

[grave basin]

[alpine tinsel]

yes lmao

its insane

[rain crown]

@grave basin Test it some more, cause I was using on a dummy and it was like 7/10 working

[grave basin]

ok

[spring bough]

Pirate was testing it too yesterday and giving up DS is a decent hit to overall damage

[orchid plinth]

If you play Deathstalker and have Rupture on one target and Deathstalkers Mark on another target each tick of that rupture will deal damage to the marked target and break your stealth. Great.

[alpine tinsel]

I'm running fatebound atm and still breaking all the time, mostly around locks

but even the DK death circle will break it if im near

[grave basin]

12 hits , 12 crits

without bte up

just raw dogging it

[rain crown]

@grave basin Yea I couldn’t figure it out, randomly it would only crit like 30-40 percent

I was thinking maybe cold blood was getting eaten by a weapon enchant or something but I couldn’t replicate

[grave basin]

yea im not actually gonna play this lol

just for the memes

with shark buff, 30% baseline crit and bte cold blood is completely pointless

[fervent cobalt]

YO WHY are they fucking sub so hard

Why auto tea

This shit is bonkers. You think they will add more changes before this releases?

[vocal surge]

You sure you don't have something like Ghostly Strike using it?

Cold Blood is only used by our own abilities

No procs, passives, but an ability use

12% Crit, +2% Crit (Lethality) +10% Crit (No Scruples), +20% Between the Eyes, +15% / +60% Crit

[stoic spruce]

Just to let anyone who's like me know, you don't need crackshot.

For now

Until the stealth change

[topaz delta]

So sub about to be gutted with class changes?!

[fervent cobalt]

Yess

[narrow tangle]

whats new

[stoic spruce]

Yo mama

Sorry

[narrow tangle]

what changes

[topaz delta]

Christ…

[rain crown]

@vocal surge yea idk i was definitely pressing cold blood then like full hands off keyboard then killing spree

[narrow tangle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/495593825260011550/1278239452350779452/RDT_20240828_0109207356327062310163902.gif

[stoic spruce]

11.0.5 got big stuff in store

That's it tho

[fervent cobalt]

Removal of inervating shadow dust

And auto fucking tea

At 50 energy

[indigo hill]

Which talents you running?

[stoic spruce]

And let yall see my cooking?

[indigo hill]

Sub is going full British.

[stoic spruce]

/spit

[narrow tangle]

im too scared to check

[stoic spruce]

That sounds funny

[indigo hill]

That's the idea. 😁

[stoic spruce]

See

My cooking pisses @potent pivot off and what pisses him off even more is that it kicks ass

[indigo hill]

Sharing is caring.

[stoic spruce]

I don't have my build on hand

I may have a version of it somehwere

[heady swift]

Yea its not viable for arena its just specifically made for a burst video for a streamer

[stoic spruce]

This but I accidentally put on a shit ton of haste so I talented out of vigor

And some other things

Icr what tho

[vocal surge]

33mins till class ends

Then pvp time

[stoic spruce]

Remember this build?

[vocal surge]

Your summarily dispatch build?

[stoic spruce]

Yes

Soon to be kir

I talented out of iron stomach

Because obv reasons

[vocal surge]

Which is?

[stoic spruce]

Dampening sucks bawls

[vocal surge]

Lol

I keep ot

[stoic spruce]

It's good in 3s

And bgs

[vocal surge]

After fighting Perfect, I trust his advice postmatch about self healing

[stoic spruce]

But 2s and shuffle its dead

[stoic spruce]

What's the advice

[vocal surge]

Crimson Vial is op

[stoic spruce]

Howso?

[vocal surge]

Heals for % per tick

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

What else

[vocal surge]

That's the main reason why

[stoic spruce]

Does he send it on CD?

Because >.>

They do damage faster than it heals

[alpine tinsel]

why is sin taking hemo again?

[wise breach]

Not much else to take that's better

[alpine tinsel]

sad but got it

[wise breach]

Veil of Midnight vs bleed classes instead

[alpine tinsel]

hemo doesnt stack with wound still, right?

[wise breach]

Nope, Wound is turned off while Hemotoxin is active

[vocal surge]

Ye

We fought against each other in a mirror

But he had far more self healing

[candid tide]

feral bleeds melts

[halcyon timber]

Crunch wrap supreme melts more

[vocal surge]

Tru

[candid tide]

tru

[alpine tinsel]

I have 33% mastery in pvp rn and it feels like my bleeds actually do nothing lol

[halcyon timber]

Count up all the bleed effects, they do a good bit

[fervent cobalt]

Just look at your details

Lol

It's gonna be like all bleed dmg

[spring bough]

Imp crimson vial where it’s at. I’ve got like 400-500k healing ticks from it

[cyan mural]

You guys think Sub rogue will be a good choice for solo rated bg?

[fervent cobalt]

I think until the nerf in Nov yes

[graceful flax]

Messing around w/ outlaw for the first time in pvp, seems kinda fun

[lime oar]

I think it’ll still be fine in Nov

[rich light]

hey guys was looking through this thread but couldn't find much. How's assass in PVP currently?

[halcyon timber]

We will be just fine

All 3 specs are very close Song.

Doing well, don’t sweat it

[wet crown]

What's the optimal opener as sub r/n?

[thorn gulch]

are there even more unstealth bugs around atm? I feel like I get knocked out over and over, even from vanish.

[wet crown]

just making sure I'm using the right one

[halcyon timber]

Keep your target stunned and fit what you can in that window. Its a priority system.

Depends on how you talent and what you’re fighting

No joking or being sarcastic

[fervent cobalt]

Symbols,tea, sec tech always

[wet crown]

yee

just making sure.

So no build changes between fatebound and deathmark? WAs gonna try fatebound.

[rich light]

Oh, thanks! Not sweating, new to PVP and don't know much about specs and their strength in PVP

[candid tide]

man the opener dance sepsis - tech - evi does way more dmg than

evi - sepsis - tech

[fallen scaffold]

anyone else getting MAD lag spikes rn

[wet crown]

are you plugged into the blizzard server wtf

[brave crag]

Blizzard plugging into his home connection

[candid tide]

its pretty cheaty

[spring bough]

What in the 1 gig internet is going on here

[candid tide]

feels good

[candid tide]

think blizz headquarters somewhere near my region

[spring bough]

Yeah you mean you playing from HQ while working on on the game

😂

[halcyon timber]

You’re doing great dude, don’t worry at all

[spring bough]

Add in some of these bug fixes we won’t tell

[azure rapids]

I changed something,i used to have slice and dice,rtb buffs displayed on top of the resource bar under my character that would show up in combat

how can i set it up again ?

[candid tide]

yeah idk i was stunned too when we got the new optic fiber connection xD

[fallen scaffold]

my ms is only 3 above what its normally at (40) but im getting crazy lag spikes

there super consistent though idk how to explain or wtf is going on

[spring bough]

Every day is 20x of “connected to blizzard services” and “disconnected from blizzard services” back n forth everyday

[fallen scaffold]

fr

welp just dced

fuckin a

wtf now im getting 6-30 fps in a bg cant even play stutterign so bad wtf is going on

[wet crown]

the mages never expect shiv

it's kinda funny.

[potent pivot]

Nah I don’t get mad bud. But I do dislike the spreading of misinformation. Saying your build is viable or fun etc is fine. Saying it’s better is where things get a little off

[indigo hill]

Anyone planning on playing Dractyr rogue?

[fallen scaffold]

I low key wanna make one

[indigo hill]

Me two. Tried a bit on the ptr but the wings are a bit annoying.

[proven kayak]

I hate those dragons

[safe pelican]

Fuck them lizards

[proven kayak]

Indeed

Fuck them lizards

[safe pelican]

NE will always be superior… triple vanish lead the way 🙂‍↔️

[surreal barn]

I’m so making one

Double jump

[fallen scaffold]

that and the knockout for longer cc chains has me intrigued

[pale storm]

Stealth gliding in Bgs and not having to use goblin gliders seems fun af

[wet crown]

the bandages any good? Might grab tailoring

[potent pivot]

yeah i guess the achievement is just bugged. for some people it's automatically completed, but for others it isn't even functioning as an account wide achievement.

[indigo hill]

Can someone tell wich warlock spell instantly takes away 99% of my health?

[vocal surge]

Wither + Haunt + 1 other ability

[indigo hill]

And this is meant to be a normal thing?

[inland thorn]

Nightfall procs make shadowbolt instant cast and with the proper setup it hits for 1.4m

Nightfall also stacks up to twice

So in two globals you're easily taking almost 3m damage and there's a bunch of dots on you

[indigo hill]

Well imma call the police on them. Pretty sure that an attack like that counts as a hate crime.

[inland thorn]

Made me wanna log on my lock

Gonna run some arenas

😈

[indigo hill]

It need a nerf. Frost mage need to F off the hell.

[halcyon timber]

Its balanced if it isn’t a rogue doing it

[neat dove]

bro the rogue changes in 11.0.5 are almost all ass

thistle tea was already controversial but with the 2 extra symbols of death and the automatic use of a tea when going below 50 energy it seems pointless to take tea

no more sepsis for gap closing

no more invigorating shadowdust for everything

at least soothing darkness healing was increased again

[surreal barn]

In blitz them gliders don’t work so we’d even have the edge

[indigo hill]

Getting 4 grappling hooks though.

[surreal barn]

Decreased overall bc they rid it from dance

[neat dove]

oh shit i skipped that

maaan

gotta play as much sub before 11

because afterwards it seems its gonna be trash

[surreal barn]

Will be fine

[neat dove]

at least now eviscerate etc grants slice and dice instead of refreshing

so no more needing that button

[bold venture]

Hi, I´m new to this disc, so far what is the concensus for pvp? assa or sub?

[potent pivot]

all 3 specs are really good right now

dealer's choice

[neat dove]

what suits your playstyle, all 3 are different

outlaw is more of a brawler that constantly stays in battle

assa is the rot spec

subtlety weaves in and out of combat to control the battle, or at least more than the other 2 because all rogues control

pure dmg wise I think assa is best?

but its also teh squishiest

[bold venture]

ty for th response

[spring bough]

We brawling in the streets all day as outlaw. Fun asf

[wintry dew]

boys

and girls

@potent pivot

https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-pvp-ensembles-coming-with-patch-11-0-5-elite-ensembles-included-346491?utm_source=discord-webhook

I need explanations

BEFORE ANYONE JUMP INTO CONCLUSIONS

read that shit

[wet crown]

What makes people immune to damage in hallowfall?

[spring bough]

So if I got elite I can buy the mog for any other class I have? Is that what I’m getting from this?

[wintry dew]

That's what i thought too but

[spring bough]

Well I guess wep ensemble. Armor is rival rating

[potent pivot]

huh

[neat dove]

they adding new weapons? or new alternative colours?

[wintry dew]

doubt

The WORDING is weird

[spring bough]

So I can get two handers on my DK then from using the weapon arsenal on my rogues

[worthy crag]

so if i was elite as rogue it allows me to buy elite mogs from other classes?

[wintry dew]

" These new Elite Ensembles are only available to players who unlocked them in their Dragonflight respective season. With Ensembles requiring Rival I and Arsenals Elite ranks, respectively. "

that first part

[worthy crag]

Or rival, w.e rank

[wintry dew]

" These new Elite Ensembles are only available to players who unlocked them in their Dragonflight respective season "

[spring bough]

Question is that warband now? Lol

[worthy crag]

if its purchasable it would be warband wide but im wondering if you needed to be a rival DK to buy dk set

[potent pivot]

its always that way

[wintry dew]

BUT

BUT

@worthy crag

If you were RIVAL

you GOT the tmog either way

[spring bough]

Like if my rogue was rival and my DH wasn’t it sound like I can buy it for the DH on my rogue?

[worthy crag]

For your class only yes

[wintry dew]

Exactly

but the wording is so weird

that makes me wonder

[worthy crag]

This change sounds like every class set is purchasable if you were rival on one class

[wintry dew]

if you ACC got rival, can i buy ensembles?