Weather Registry / Weather Tweaks / mrov

[idle light]

wasnt me

that was nikki

[ancient depot]

Oh

[ancient depot]

Yeah Nikki deleted the profile so

[drowsy willow]

don't

[ancient depot]

She won't have the logs

[idle light]

also she uninstalled already

[drowsy willow]

alright

well

if anything happens that you think my mod caused i'd like the logs, please

[ancient depot]

Yeah that's my fault I forgot to save the log

[drowsy willow]

otherwise i don't really know or care about what's going on 🥲

like i know that my mod can do that

[ancient depot]

I'm just bad at remembering things, more so than our other alters

😦

[drowsy willow]

but i'm not gonna recreate the scenario from anecdotal evidence, sorry

don't have time for that sadly

[ancient depot]

Well we'll be playing again later so

I'll grab the logs if it happens

[drowsy willow]

alrighty!

[drowsy willow]

i've stared reorganizing the modules in weathertweaks

and it seems like i have so much to cut off that nothing will be left lol

so that's something i'm gonna think about lol

[eager field]

what happened to (gone till 1/09)?

[drowsy willow]

you're gonna regret these words 😆

[eager field]

😮

[soft merlin]

looking at it again for code rebirth, i meant for WeatherRegistry 3c

was really confused and thought rider was trying to gaslight me into believing the nuget package was wrong lol

[pine thunder]

Yeah I meant to get the logs but I deleted Lunxara's profile without thinking cuz, yknow, 200 mods is a lot

Was freeing up space and then realized the logs were in that folder

I definitely had Foggy but whether it was WeatherTweaks or something else bugging out, idk, cuz it had been Foggy the previous day so the visual may have just desynced from another mod

Who knows

[ebon compass]

Might be a stupid question, but what are these?

I can guess the filter is a white list for "weather on planet" but I don't know what the other two do exactly

have a vague idea, but don't wanna have to rewrite something for 42 different moons if I screw up X.X

[wicked latch]

What's the section of this?

[ebon compass]

Weather Registry

It's for a type of weather, so they all have the same config options, but I'd like to understand them a bit better.

[wicked latch]

So the blue words for these are weather registry?

[thick acorn]

level filter is what moons it cant be on (reverses if the above option is true)
level weight is how likely it is to appear on specific levels
weather weight is how likely it is to appear depending on yesterday's weather

[ebon compass]

ty ^.^/

[little sedge]

I found out how to consistently reproduce this

If you use lobby control and type "lobby clear" into the terminal it causes this to happen

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/mattymatty/LobbyControl/

not sure if this is something worth noting

[ancient depot]

@lunar glen lol

[drowsy willow]

interesting

[runic nest]

what is cloudy? modded weather?

and whats it do

... + its mod name 🥺

i need weather.

[little sedge]

huh?

uhh

im pretty sure its weather tweaks beta?

i dont think it does anything

idk

[kind crane]

Its part of registry im pretty sure

Pretty much a foggy varient

[little sedge]

interesting? lol

[drowsy willow]

it's from beta tweaks, yeah

it's clear weather with cloudy sky 😅

[little sedge]

yeah thats what i figured, thats why i was confused when they said it was foggy

i didnt remember it doing that

[drowsy willow]

Wesley asked me to make it

[little sedge]

i like it

good feature

[drowsy willow]

so there we are

it's more of a placeholder 😅

[little sedge]

for what exactly?

[drowsy willow]

🤷

• no apparent purpose
• no additional functionality

kinda like placeholder 😓

[faint sinew]

It's the best weather

[little sedge]

maybe it should be a hidden weather

isnt this how dust clouds works

on exp

so like moons can occasionally be cloudy but it doesnt say on term

[drowsy willow]

hmm

OH that's actually an interesting idea

[little sedge]

would just be an ambience thing at that point

and i feel like implementing it this way makes sense with how the game works

[drowsy willow]

a hidden None variant 🤭

[little sedge]

if cloudy has no gameplay differences, this is how i would do it

[drowsy willow]

I'll take a note, that's actually not a bad idea

thanks 😇

[abstract pivot]

Yw

[pine thunder]

Can I disable Cloudy on certain moons easily without having WeatherTweaks in my project?

USC Vortex might not make sense to be Cloudy

[azure dirge]

WeatherRegistry

you can blacklist (or whitelist) moons from (or for) certain weathers

[drowsy willow]

ummmm I think so?

100% you can do that in the config (but that's only for you)

[abstract pivot]

Bet u mrov doesn't use weather registry to register cloudy

[drowsy willow]

that would be funny

[abstract pivot]

And true?

[azure dirge]

of course not. he controls the weather

[drowsy willow]

https://github.com/AndreyMrovol/LethalWeatherTweaks/blob/weathers-extended/WeatherTweaks%2FPlugin.cs#L122

but you've tried and I appreciate it

[abstract pivot]

Close

[wicked latch]

Nom nom

[pine thunder]

I more meant blacklist it by default with the mod

Cuz Cloudy really doesn't work for a spaceship in space lol

[drowsy willow]

yeah, that's absolutely fair 😅

I'll have to prepare a solution for that (cause I forgot about it earlier)

so you'd be able to define weathers you want to match (or don't) in the editor and Registry will use those settings

[kind crane]

do you guys have any tips on reducing weather chances over all?, I like tweaks feature but feel weathers are too common by default

[unique wraith]

You can adjust the weights for all weathers. If you think weather is too common, make None have a lot more weight than other weathers

[kind crane]

oh thank you so much

[kind crane]

wtf does 7 mean XD

[unique wraith]

@drowsy willow is not going to like that😂 Can you post a log?

[kind crane]

it turned out to be a toxic torando

so it might be a rebirth bug

[unique wraith]

Still shouldn't be displaying a number, mrov tried fixing that a couple of times

it's a registry issue

[drowsy willow]

please send me your logs if it happens again 🥺

the numbered weathers are my greatest enemies

[manic cobalt]

99% of the log lines are gonna be about weathertweaks yapping about gordion's selectablelevel

[drowsy willow]

ha ha ha very funny

weathertweaks doesn't spam anymore 😭

[manic cobalt]

👁️

[drowsy willow]

let me put it another way

you can disable logs from it easily

[manic cobalt]

fair

I keep getting logs with over 2000 weather tweak lines 😭

theres other offenders so not just you

[drowsy willow]

other offender: TerminalFormatter 😆

it was so bad

honestly I'll have to take a look if I've changed the logs in stable version

cause I've done it in beta

[ancient depot]

There's a reason I disabled all the logging settings for BetaTweaks and WeatherRegistry

Lol

[pine thunder]

Hey mrov, is WeatherRegistry capable of disabling base-game Weather FX? I want to replace the rain with custom rain FX but I don't know how to go about it

[drowsy willow]

If you mean disabling children/components of effect's GameObject then no

but it shouldn't be hard to do iirc

vanilla's rain is RainParticleContainer - I think disabling it should do the trick

I'll try to send you the code snippet rq

[pine thunder]

Gotcha. I only have a Unity project for Gorgonzola so I'll have to remember how to set up a mod and dll

[drowsy willow]

that's the GameObject for Rainy weather effect

you'd have to disable all children for it to work

this is how i would do it:

WeatherRegistry.EventManager.ShipLanding.AddListener(
        (data) =>
        {
          if (data.weather.VanillaWeatherType == LevelWeatherType.Rainy)
          {
            GameObject weatherEffect = data.weather.Effect.EffectObject;

            for (int i = 0; i < weatherEffect.transform.childCount; i++)
            {
              weatherEffect.transform.GetChild(i).gameObject.SetActive(false);
            }

// activate your stuff here
          }
        }
      );

this snippet checks the current weather on landing, if it's rainy it disables all children of that gameobject

[manic cobalt]

You have to turn it back on 😄

[drowsy willow]

oh yeah, that 🤭

you could do that like this:

      WeatherRegistry.EventManager.DayChanged.AddListener(
        (daysSpent) =>
        {
          GameObject rainyWeather = WeatherManager.GetWeather(LevelWeatherType.Rainy).Effect.EffectObject;

          for (int i = 0; i < rainyWeather.transform.childCount; i++)
          {
            rainyWeather.transform.GetChild(i).gameObject.SetActive(true);
          }
        }

so it runs in orbit

you know what, having an easier way to do this would be beneficial

i'll try to cook something up for that usecase

[wicked latch]

Hey @drowsy willow
Do you wanna vote in funny poll?

[drowsy willow]

👀

[wicked latch]

#1178407269994594435 message

You can vote more than once btw.

Now I dont know if you can change.

Lol

[drowsy willow]

i think i can

there you go

[wicked latch]

[exotic wharf]

Do the scrap multipliers for combined weathers stack? I don't think it would but it would be a nice feature

[drowsy willow]

They should

[wicked latch]

@drowsy willow Hey, so you remember weather probe thingy, yeah?

Oh nevermind, you read it.

[drowsy willow]

yeah, I was about to go in your thread 😅

should I send you a PR for that? 🥺

[wicked latch]

I always welcome PRs.

Unless they are alien.

[drowsy willow]

alrighty 🫡

[ancient depot]

At some point I think you should integrate Cloudy into WeatherRegistry instead of WeatherTweaks :3

Or maybe just make it be a seperate mod in of itself

[drowsy willow]

1. why would i do that
2. what that has to do with LGU incompatibility

[ancient depot]

Just a suggestion I was thinking of

[drowsy willow]

it is in a separate mod: weathertweaks

[ancient depot]

and saw you were active atm

[drowsy willow]

and that's it

[hallow mesa]

Is it this mod or likely a conflict with another that causes moon weathers to not save on a savefile reload and allowing you to basically cycle weathers on the moon you're orbiting as long as you keep quitting and restarting?

Also, could we get a config option to toggle off the weather status appearing on the primary ship monitor screen above the moon info? It becomes redundant for those that have fancier weather status displays like from ExtraMonitors of GeneralImprovements, and it also takes up additional text space on custom moons that had their info fields using every last line available so it wouldn't get cut off (since custom moons don't have text scrolling for the primary monitor info board like vanilla do).

[abstract pivot]

i do think that the weather cycle shouldnt change everytime u reload ur save tbh, there should be something that makes it consistent when loading onto the same save same orbit but that's just how it works rn

[hallow mesa]

I'm almost positive it didn't do it before I got Weather Registry, I coulda sworn some mod fixed vanilla weather cycling on reload like that but I can't remember which in my roster did.

[abstract pivot]

nono i meant thats how weather registry works rn

it does randomise every time u reload the save

it'd be ideal if it didnt imo

[manic cobalt]

(thats how it works in vanilla?)

[abstract pivot]

in vanilla when u reopen ur save the weather stays the same as it was before iirc

but in weather registry

it randomises it

[thick acorn]

regardless of how it works in vanilla i think it would be a good feature to have. i've also noticed it changing on reload

[hallow mesa]

well, if mrov can manage to get Probe from Lategame Upgrades working with Weather Registry, at least therell a quickfix available then, because you can just remember what weather you were on when you quit, then use probe to set it back to that weather, then use LGU's forcecredits command to cheat your money back up to what it was before the weather probe cost, then continue like normal

[drowsy willow]

it's planned

i know it's an issue - that's how vanilla works and it would be better to not do that

[pine thunder]

Does All; work for the WeatherTweaks Foggy patch?

[ancient depot]

No it doesn't

[pine thunder]

Guh, fun

[ancient depot]

That's why I ended up just removing WeatherTweaks, I got tired of adding moon names 1 by 1

Too many for that

[pine thunder]

Yeah a config to just disable the foggy patch would be nice

[ancient depot]

Well Mrov will be back tomorrow maybe he'll cook something lol

[drowsy willow]

sadly no

it's using the same logic as WeatherRegistry (where placeholders don't work as well 🥲)

[ancient depot]

I mean you could add a Bool Toggle most likely

For enabling or disabling it globally

[drowsy willow]

what are you talking about

[ancient depot]

A bool toggle for the foggy patch

to have it on or off

[drowsy willow]

there is - next to a mod's name

[abstract pivot]

[ancient depot]

And then the list if you only want it disabled for certain moons

Or I suppose, you could allow turning the blacklist into a white list

Registry has that

Since you're using the same behavior

[ancient depot]

I mean flat out disabling WeatherTweaks is nice and all but it contains a lot of essential features lol

But yeah I've also started to prefer not having the foggy patch since a lot of moon devs use custom fog values for the vanilla fog

and the foggy patch tends to make those values look odd

[drowsy willow]

which is something i'd love to hear about and/or get some logs when it happens

[ancient depot]

I mean I'm not too sure it's something you can fix lol you just change fog significantly compared to Vanilla

I wouldn't even consider it a bug it's just how you do things differently

XD

[drowsy willow]

"oh god i can't see shit" - how is that not a bug?

[ancient depot]

Okay well that's fair lol

[drowsy willow]

it's clearly not supposed to look like that and yet no logs came my way

[ancient depot]

I think that was more so it going from dark as shit Eclipsed to Foggy though

How is your fog supposed to look?

[drowsy willow]

let me find it

[ancient depot]

"Your fog has looked like that for a while now that I didn't know that was unintended tbh" - Lyra "But yeah the sillhouette stuff doesn't look right"

[ancient depot]

that should be reproduceable though

[drowsy willow]

#1203871322841808906 message

[ancient depot]

Etern Eclipsed > Foggy

Oh yeah the changes should be much more subtle

Hmmmm

I think it still looks normal on Adamance though but I may be wrong, I think the issues usually occur with Custom Moons

Similar to how Cloudy's visuals only look correct on Adamance

On Adamance you actually get a Cloudy sky

everywhere else the visuals are sorta

rng

I'm guessing Adamance is the planet you use for testing the most

[ancient depot]

I mean you've played with us before and we pointed out the foggy visuals being odd on some planets so I figured you already looked into this tbh >.< Sorry

[drowsy willow]

no worries, i (sadly) have more things to do than i keep track of 😅

[ancient depot]

It happens to the best of us lol

[drowsy willow]

why does it happen to me then

[ancient depot]

Are you saying you're not one of the best?

[drowsy willow]

🤭

[abstract pivot]

damn right he isnt

know ur place 'rov

[ancient depot]

Lol oof

[drowsy willow]

have i been fucking abbreviated?

oh my god

[abstract pivot]

thats how bad it is

[ancient depot]

He's been downscaled

from Mrov

to 'rov

[drowsy willow]

'rov'

[eager field]

the server nickname change

[drowsy willow]

i do like a little bit of trolling

[lunar glen]

i just noticed this ping, so sorry for the hyper delayed answer@drowsy willow 😅

lobby clear litterlly deletes the saveFile and attempts to hotload it ( therefore resetting the lobby ) i guess the incompatibility is with the entire hotload system itself

[drowsy willow]

ooooooooh

i'll keep that in mind

[eager field]

yknow, I have a similar command that resets the lobby to a blank save. I'm curious how close it is to Matty's lobby clear

[drowsy willow]

the 7 weather is spreading

[ancient depot]

When are we getting 8?

[drowsy willow]

when more weathers added 🤭

[eager field]

yeah matty's is a lil different than mine

[lunar glen]

you have an RPC to do the resetting. i have to work with vanilla compat so, deleting the file and using my other hotload system was the only thing i could do

[eager field]

yeah I originally wasn't using an RPC but found there was huge desyncs between clients and host

and my mod already has networking so not a big deal to add another RPC

Yours is probably better since you actually modify the save data while i'm just calling some vanilla methods from the firing event

[lunar glen]

yeah but sadly while the hotload system works perfectly with vanilla ( as most of vanilla stuff has a RPC to resync ), heavier mods will start to break pretty quickly

i can make a LobbyControl addon to have RPC reloading ecc but supporting all mods will become an integration nightmare :/

[eager field]

yeah I try to use vanilla methods whenever I can to make compatibility a bit easier

chances of other mods patching into vanilla methods to update their stuff is a lot easier to handle than trying to juggle compatibility myself

[lunar glen]

problem is that different mods hook to different methods to do their syncing

[eager field]

yeppp this is true

[lunar glen]

and keeping track of each one of them is going to get ugly really quickly

[eager field]

yeah I guess it depends on what you're trying to track specifically

[manic cobalt]

Anything like this is doomed to fail if your trying to get around not reloading the scene, imo

[eager field]

won't stop players from requesting the feature lol

[manic cobalt]

players are stupid

[eager field]

btw mr. batby, have you had a chance to see my message about your cached font size?

[manic cobalt]

ye itll be in next

[eager field]

Appreciate you 🙏

[drowsy willow]

well, it sounds stupid but it do be like that sometimes

the more "control" they want the harder it is to keep some sorts of assumptions and guardrails

because everything can go wrong

[manic cobalt]

yes because again users are stupid

[drowsy willow]

why no weather is picked when all weights are set to 0? god only knows

[manic cobalt]

theres a reason why most games officially do not have crazy configuration

[drowsy willow]

because it shouldn't happen under normal usage

[eager field]

fair fair

[drowsy willow]

not every game wants to go crazy, that's why

[manic cobalt]

not every game should

[eager field]

I usually clamp most of the config options I add just to keep things within manageable expectations

[drowsy willow]

i have some good news

All/Company/Vanilla/Modded will be in the next release

[eager field]

holy moly what a log message

[drowsy willow]

🤭

[manic cobalt]

any chance you can do custom rather than modded 👀

[ancient depot]

Let's goooo

[drowsy willow]

honestly i can do both

[ancient depot]

Update soon?

;o

You mad lad

lol

[drowsy willow]

what's the difference in your opinion?

[ancient depot]

Custom is the official tag used by LLL

lol

[drowsy willow]

mmmmmm

alrighty

[ancient depot]

Yeah I saw him mentioning it yesterday

[abstract pivot]

custom is LLL, modded is LL

[ancient depot]

This ^

[drowsy willow]

how about that

[abstract pivot]

yeah that's what i do

though ur version looks fancier

[ancient depot]

He's trying to restore his glory back to being Mrov

[drowsy willow]

i've tried 🤭

[abstract pivot]

for me i just do this mrov lmao

[drowsy willow]

i'm earning my letters back

[drowsy willow]

oh 😅

[abstract pivot]

yeah i dont have this stuff enum pill'd cuz they're strings to begin with in the config and i reference LL's enums

[drowsy willow]

i'm hardcoding the vanilla levels cause LAZY

[abstract pivot]

LL 2.0

[drowsy willow]

i'm literally too lazy to do it a different way

cannot wait for v60 to drop when i can't update this list

[ancient depot]

I mean at least All will still work lol

[eager field]

I mean at least this way there's less room for failure lol

outside the accidental typo i guess

[drowsy willow]

fair

[abstract pivot]

i had a brain explosion

the only way something isnt a vanilla moon

is if LLL exists

so i only need a vanilla moon check if it exists, then i'd just look at the place where LLL stores vanilla moons

and compare there

[drowsy willow]

too much work

[abstract pivot]

feels like the opposite here

but maybe

[drowsy willow]

maybe someday

i'll try to put registry update soonish that will support this

[abstract pivot]

@manic cobalt you got any identifiers in the CurrentExtendedLevel about if they're vanilla?

im assuming there's probably a content tag

[drowsy willow]

ain't there a vanilla bool flag?

[abstract pivot]

probably, i might just be lo0oking in the wrong placew

[shadow bough]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1168516853895790655/1252665933525159936/ezgif.com-animated-gif-maker_2.gif

[abstract pivot]

i wrote this before seeing dat

[eager field]

was just about to link this lol https://github.com/IAmBatby/LethalLevelLoader/blob/820ff7ec210fece99e70ab4d23095064f7003933/LethalLevelLoader/Tools/ContentTagParser.cs#L101

[ancient depot]

Ohhh @drowsy willow so the update was for your lib?

Cool :3

[manic cobalt]

.ContentType

Baked into ExtendedContent itself

[abstract pivot]

damn idk how i missed that lol

oh well, it's fine since the current check works

[drowsy willow]

WeatherRegistry 0.1.21

• added level placeholders for config entries:
  • All: all levels
  • Modded/Custom: all modded levels
  • Vanilla: all vanilla levels
  • Company: the company level

[manic cobalt]

no use the enum

[drowsy willow]

and yes, All doesn't include Company

[abstract pivot]

mislreading name, cancelling the "o" 'rv

[ancient depot]

Bro's a fucking vehicle now

lol

https://tenor.com/view/car-gif-287294282752382129

[abstract pivot]

frfr

[drowsy willow]

r'v'd'd

[hallow mesa]

@drowsy willow is the weight system an additive thing where all weights from all 3 categories are added together to acquire the final weight value per weather when a weather change decision is made, or is the weight system an overriding thing, meaning it will go down the list of the 3 categories and whichever of the 3 categories gives it a weight first will cause it to halt the process and use that weight for that specific weather when a weather change decision is made?

[drowsy willow]

only one is used at any given time:

in that order

[hallow mesa]

okay, so override then, it does not even bother with the other 2 categories of weight if the first has already given it a weight value for the specific weather

right?

[drowsy willow]

yes

[hallow mesa]

"try to apply the weights" confused me and made me wonder if it is applying ALL the weights of all 3 categories

but then... wait I guess that would be silly to even have it check the 3 categories in a specific order if that was how it worked

[ancient depot]

https://tenor.com/view/vyden-retro-futurism-concept-rv-surrealism-gif-13060378264740511143

[hallow mesa]

okay ty!

[drowsy willow]

no worries 😅

[hallow mesa]

When a save is reloaded, the weight system can ONLY check the default weight value to acquire new weathers (since it rerolls all of them anyway on a savegame reload and thus doesn't know what weathers came before it) unless specific moon weights are specified, right?

That's the only explanation I can think of as to why every reload I get what seems to be a totally equally random chance of any possible weather being popped into the moon the savegame was currently orbiting upon reload, since all weathers in the config have a default weight of 100 across the board

[exotic wharf]

I saw the thing over in CentralConfig about the Company Building not being able to have other weathers, would it be possible to add configuration that allows people to change a moon’s random weathers?

Ik giving moons weathers that they don’t naturally have could break them, but it works sometimes

Plus you could take them away too

[hallow mesa]

I cannot get the weights the function at all it seems. I've set their default weights to be balanced heavily in favor of None (300 weight) with all other weathers being between 10 and 90, but with each reload of a save, I am getting TONS of the lowest-weighted weathers, and upon a weather cycle after takeoff, the eclipsed weather weight favors None very very strongly (300 weight compared to next highest being just 40) and every eclipsed moon I have spotted so far turns into a different weather by the next day instead of being clear.

It's behaving as though no weights are set at all, and all weathers are equal weights or something...

[drowsy willow]

and that's why there's no option in Registry to do that

and it's never gonna be one

sure, an external mod can do that (even using WeatherRegistry as a base), but Registry alone will never allow that

[drowsy willow]

oh, my sweet summer child

I have wasted so much time to understand what's happening it's driving me insane

so the moons all have some weather on lobby load

even on new save

and that's why everything can get super random

check your logs to see how the weights are resolved - I'm pretty certain you'll see weather-weather weights on first day/new save

even if it shouldn't happen

actually I think I changed that, let me check lol

https://github.com/AndreyMrovol/LethalWeatherRegistry/blob/main/WeatherRegistry%2FDefinitions%2FWeatherType.cs#L208

yup, on first day no weather-weather weights will be picked

so it's only gonna use level ones and then defaults

[drowsy willow]

send me your modpack code 🥺

I'll check

[reef gyro]

cant stop hearing meteors

[drowsy willow]

what's your modpack code?

[reef gyro]

01910a5e-5550-11d3-0340-1cbe5db7f4d5

[drowsy willow]

is that happening in dungeon/on the surface/in the ship/in the menu?

[reef gyro]

in orbit

in ship after leaving meteor weather plnaet. didnt stop even after landing

[drowsy willow]

fuck

[reef gyro]

to be fair, we did get hit with a meteor when leaving planet

[drowsy willow]

hmmm

it shouldn't cause that to happen

[ancient depot]

Yeah I asked her to have you look into this cus it was happening on her end specifically

I can also send my log from the stream

[hallow mesa]

01910b5c-2f90-e2b7-73aa-3a2d2b236ab7

[real yew]

Not sure what this means

And this

[hollow yoke]

do i need to put spaces inbetween each semicolon for the level weight string

[drowsy willow]

it's not required

[kind crane]

is there a way to set the spawn chances of combo weathers and uncertain weathers

[hallow mesa]

I think I may have figured out why my weight changes weren't applying. Is it possible that weather weights are applied per-savegame instead of per-play-session? The weights at least appear to be reflecting roughly what I set them to now, but nothing in the modpack changed. All I can recall doing different is that I started a brand new playtest savegame and the weathers were suddenly looking like they were obeying weights more accurately out of nowhere, with None now taking general dominance like normal.

If this is in fact the case, it should definitely be added to the readme on the mod page so that people don't get confused into thinking the weights system is dynamic enough that it can accept changes on the same savegame when in reality it doesn't (at least for me from previous tests)

[hallow mesa]

then again maybe not... :/
it really just seems to be a total wildcard whether or not it even obeys the set weights at all

[hallow mesa]

dustclouds is set to weight 0 and it NEVER shows up, so something is working but the weight balance overall doesn't seem to be

[gray kayak]

tbf Dust Clouds doesn't appear on any vanilla moons already anyway

and I presume there's quite a few Moon mods that don't have it either

[drowsy willow]

alright, it works like that: all weights from the config are read when you're loading in a lobby

they can't be changed mid-session (as of now), because i didn't consider that usecase 😅

and - to confirm if your settings are applied&used correctly - WeatherRegistry logs weight the weather selection process: all possible weathers for given moon, their weights and which one was picked (you might have to enable debug logging for that)

[drowsy willow]

dustclouds weather is defined only on couple of moons, so it's not surprising it's not showing up

[hallow mesa]

no no I mean savegame, not play-session. I wasn't making changes mid-session, I was quitting the game and restarting it every single time after saving changes in the config, but the savegame I was using was the same one every time I think, that's what I meant.

[drowsy willow]

nothing is save-dependent

[hallow mesa]

upon investigating these logs, the numbers do seem to check out according to the weights I set, but the selection is still a bit... weird to me, maybe I am just not that good at math though

however

I noticed in the logs it was setting weathers for moons I have set to be NOT registered in the terminal

because I like Auralis but not necessarily Triskelion from Starlancer moons

and I have some moons from Wesley that I don't use because I just wanted some of his custom scrap to place in other moons I thought it fit in, lol

but I think what I'm seeing in the results is that sometimes I get what looks like a weirdly higher amount of low-weight weathers and sometimes it looks normal

and I believe the root cause is exactly this

could you maybe add a config option where it just skips over moons not registered by LLL in the terminal so all the weight and weather distributions go ONLY to moons that can actually be accessed via terminal?

[drowsy willow]

if a moon is loaded in the game (so in a StartOfRound list) it's getting picked up by Registry - even when it's locked/hidden/unused (like Liquidation)

going around that is a pain 😧

[hallow mesa]

I cannot think of anything else that better explains why in my tests, sometimes it looks exactly like I imagined it would with None being the majority, and other times weather types of much lower weights are the majority

[hallow mesa]

well okay wait...

I think I'm just being stupid about this

theoretically I can do this myself in the config right?

just set the unregistered moons to be blacklisted from ALL weathers, completely

so the algorithm of WR just skips over them anyway, right?

[drowsy willow]

yes and no

[hallow mesa]

oh?

[drowsy willow]

if a moon is registered, the weather will be picked

but if there's nothing to pick from, it will set None and move on

[hallow mesa]

hmmmm

[drowsy willow]

you can check which moons have which weathers during lobby loading:

[hallow mesa]

well I wanted to make Meteor Shower very rare since it's basically a flat loot value buff with the meteorites mechanic tied to it...

so if I blacklisted all unregistered moons from ALL weather types (except None, obviously)

Meteor Shower would only be able to be considered for the moons of my choosing, and thus it would balance out to show what I am expecting to see, right?

I guess I'll try this, but I'm pretty pretty sure this is the cause of the weird results I'm getting even though the weights are checking out just fine in logs

[drowsy willow]

hmmmm i think so?

[hallow mesa]

in fact I could see this screwing other people over too, perhaps toss in an addition to the WR readme that tells people if their modpack has moons that are not registered in the terminal and thus literally cannot be landed on, they need to manually blacklist those moons from ALL weathers except None, so this would ensure the weathers they want in their playable roster are only considered for the roster of actually playable moons

[drowsy willow]

well, i mean

[hallow mesa]

'cuz if some nutjob comes along with like 18 custom moons unregistered and doesn't realize they are being included in the algorithm, it could annoy them into thinking weights are broken right?

[abstract pivot]

you could probably have a sort of soft dependency with LLL that checks for this? dunno

[drowsy willow]

does it have that big of an impact?

[hallow mesa]

or am I really not understanding the math here and this wouldn't do anything for me at all?

[drowsy willow]

cause obviously i haven't tested it fully

[abstract pivot]

dont think so? numbers would work out the same i imagine?

its not like theres a limited number of a weather

that can appear

[hallow mesa]

currently I have 10 unregistered moons

and it has produced a noticeable impact that convinced me the weight system was broken when the logs confirm it was not

[drowsy willow]

i mean yeah, the weather selection is on a per-moon basis

[abstract pivot]

yeah but those 10 moons cant hog weathers

[drowsy willow]

the question is: does the number of moons (in total) can have impact on the Random function?

@hallow mesa i'll send you something in a sec

[hallow mesa]

no but kinda like with a scrap pool, if you have a gold bar that spawns rarely, it will show up more often on a moon that spawns 60 scrap as opposed to a moon that spawns 12 scrap

[drowsy willow]

cause i'm genuinely curious

[abstract pivot]

i cant wait to find out that the whole math is wrong for the selection

[hallow mesa]

so if I'm not being dumb, I think I understand the math at play here that I am witnessing which lead me to believe weights were off

[hallow mesa]

so I'm pretty sure yes it can overall

[drowsy willow]

it's gonna log the selection process (so the actual picked numbers)

could you import that into your modpack and check?

[hallow mesa]

uhhhh... yes howeverrrr, if you could lemme know EXACTLY the name of the folder I drop that .dll that might be helpful

the only actual file and folder digging I've ever done was for Lethal Quantities and only because it made me, in order to use the web ui tool to customize moons with the Presets.json

[drowsy willow]

because - (i think) - the discrepancy can come from 2 places:

1. me creating a new Random for every roll (so it's not planet-seeded like vanilla AND EARLIER VERSIONS 😭 )
2. ordering the weights, so i'm creating an uneven distribution

[hallow mesa]

oh like that

yes of course, I definitely knew that option existed

[drowsy willow]

don't disable thunderstore's MrovLib

it's gonna override that

now i'm really curious

[hallow mesa]

alrighty, now you just want me to start up the game and show you logs?

[drowsy willow]

yessir

[hallow mesa]

how many times to produce a data set you think is useful?

[drowsy willow]

just start a lobby and there's gonna be a bunch of red mrovlib logs

[hallow mesa]

just once?

[drowsy willow]

great question, don't know

start it once and we'll figure out

[hallow mesa]

what I wonder is, if unregistered terminal moons bloating the overall selection pool for weighted weathers IS the cause...

wouldn't that theoretically also happen for vanilla weather selection?

why didn't I end up seeing a weirdly low amount of clear weather or a weirdly high amount of rare weather with vanilla selection?

it always seemed fine and even and balanced to me

[drowsy willow]

that's kinda what i'm trying to figure: how much my shenanigans affect picked weathers

because something is fucked recently, and i cannot figure it out

[hallow mesa]

you're uhhhh

you're SURE these logs are in red?

[drowsy willow]

send me the logs 👀

[drowsy willow]

it's not that 😅

[hallow mesa]

ummm, is there a quick way I can just send you a massive fucking log?

[abstract pivot]

when u gonna setup saving between reloads so it actually isnt abusable

[drowsy willow]

and also that 😭

when i figure out how to do that without mod-data-save-lib

[abstract pivot]

should be really simple i think

matty was showing me examples

@lunar glen

his shit is always complex af though

so the example wasnt that great

[hallow mesa]

gonna go to the bathroom, let me know how many more times you'd like me to wipe the savegame and start a new one from lobby @drowsy willow , I'll get you as much data as you want if you think it'll help

[lunar glen]

😭 me trying to make things work dont really work as examples

[drowsy willow]

sophistication is the first gatekeep

[abstract pivot]

just obfuscate your github, ez

🙄

i remember seeing a few mods do the "mirror" thing i think its called

where they put all the code in one file lmao

weird af

[drowsy willow]

black magic

[drowsy willow]

i might've sent you the wrong one

github automation defeated me

[hallow mesa]

lol okay I'll update it

[drowsy willow]

just do an import again - it will override the last one

[lunar glen]

has been written before?
bool exists = ES3.KeyExists("key", GameNetworkManager.Instance.currentSaveFileName)
read type:
Vector3 value = ES3.Load<Vector3>("key", GameNetworkManager.Instance.currentSaveFileName, Vector3.zero)
write type:
ES3.Save<Vector3>("key", [value], GameNetworkManager.Instance.currentSaveFileName);
write array:
ES3.Save<int[]>("key", intList.ToArray(), GameNetworkManager.Instance.currentSaveFileName)

[drowsy willow]

oh, it's that easy?

[lunar glen]

be sure to make your keys unique from vanilla in primis but from other mods too

[lunar glen]

also please try to not read/write too frequently. vanilla savefiles are really slow because they use encryption for some reason

ontherwise ES3 is just json

[drowsy willow]

yeah, i see it

huh

uno momento

[abstract pivot]

gonna do it every frame

and u cant stop me

[drowsy willow]

EnemyAI.OnUpdate

on every enemy every frame

just for fun

[hallow mesa]

and make it take a few thousand screenshots simultaneously

for good measure

[unique turret]

Speaking of automation, making every git push to main (or something) upload a new beta version to Thunderstore would be fun lol

[abstract pivot]

i like the fancy touch of having an action in the Update, makes it look professional

[drowsy willow]

that would be so bad 😆

[abstract pivot]

that is horrible

lmao

[unique turret]

Nah you all are all wrong, you should do in-progress stuff on another branch, like "dev" :3c

and then merge that to main every once in a while

[drowsy willow]

main is the new dev

[abstract pivot]

yeah

what 'rv said

[drowsy willow]

master push straight into prod

[unique turret]

lmao

[abstract pivot]

actually its a bit mean to take a whole letter off

'ruv

lets just take the top half

[drowsy willow]

lmao

MROV becomes / \nuv

[unique turret]

lmao

[drowsy willow]

okay, i have no idea why it broke lol

[hallow mesa]

what in particular is breaking?

[abstract pivot]

his life

[hallow mesa]

well that's true for everybody so it's slightly less special

[abstract pivot]

no one said 'ruv was special

[drowsy willow]

something in string resolving, will send you another dll shortly

[hallow mesa]

okay

[drowsy willow]

go into MrovLib config and enable debug logging:

[unique turret]

Actually though, this would be so nice. Maybe even name the releases "<ModName> Git" or whatever to signify it's super up-to-date, and make that build have Extended Logging enabled by default, maybe even make it unable to be turned off. Would get me uploading updates so much more often. And ofc add some thing to insert some info about that it's a Git build (and debugging is force-enabled) into the start of the readme every time it's built

[drowsy willow]

you know, you could easily do that

hmm

[abstract pivot]

for as long as thunderstore doesnt have betas

theres no point

[unique turret]

Yep! The only issue is that I don't have any mods that would benefit from it :3c
However, LLL on the other hand could benefit from this

[unique turret]

Huh? Are you crazy?

[abstract pivot]

lmao

you want to upload betas automatically without a beta system?

[unique turret]

If that will get me to actually update shit, yes

[abstract pivot]

it wont

just to be clear

theres not much helping u there

[unique turret]

I don't update shit because I'm scared things will break, and I don't know if things will break without a beta version

[abstract pivot]

u said ur tired of modding to begin with

more automation isn't gonna get u motivated is all im sayin

[unique turret]

This isn't about fucking motivation, this is about getting updates tested

[abstract pivot]

not sure why you're so pissed off

but

you're not gonna get updates made without motivation to begin with

[unique turret]

I'm pissed off because you always bring up me not ending up doing anything in response to me talking about doing something, even if it isn't particularly relevant like here

[abstract pivot]

???

what

[drowsy willow]

okay, i don't know what's going on 😦

can you send me your config?

[abstract pivot]

i didnt even bring you up specifically

[hallow mesa]

for weather registry?

[drowsy willow]

yeah

[abstract pivot]

you brought yourself up

[abstract pivot]

all i talked about is that thunderstore doesnt have betas

[unique turret]

This is about me delaying updating stuff, like those LL updates

[abstract pivot]

??? again, you brought yourself up here

and apparently were talking about something specific here

you cant be pissed off at me because u injected urself into the conversation

i'm the last person to get mad at you for delaying updates bruh

[drowsy willow]

have i fucked something up 😭

[hallow mesa]

do you want my profile code so you can gut stuff on your end a bit faster and start doing blind head-bashing-against-wall troubleshoots?

[drowsy willow]

yeah, if you could 🥺

[hallow mesa]

019112dc-81c8-f38f-362c-72ef5d8adbd2

[drowsy willow]

the animated main menu scared me 😆

[hallow mesa]

C:

my friends are gonna get a kick out of it too, once I finish this modpack up for game night

[drowsy willow]

turns out my debug logger was causing that lol

something like that should pop up

[hallow mesa]

wait you want me to get the logs again?

you literally have my exact profile, wouldn't whatever I get just be the same as whatever you get as well?

or are you just wanting to make sure it matches up?

[drowsy willow]

this 😅

because if we get similar results that's gonna mean everything is working

and then you'll be able to check exactly what's happening, where and why

try tweaking the values and let me know if anything weird happens 🥺

[hallow mesa]

here's my log from the first one you gave

wuh oh

I can't hit enter in the terminal to check moon weathers

[drowsy willow]

😔

just import those two manually and disable thunderstore's mrovlib

[hallow mesa]

wait do you want the log from the second one?

cuz there it is lol

[hallow mesa]

what do you mean disable thunderstore's mrovlib?

you mean disable the mrovlib mod right?

here's the logs, and according to my terminal

there's only 2 windy and 1 meteor shower, 18 of the moons are None weather

which looks waaaaay more reasonable and expected according to my weights

what changes did you make?

[drowsy willow]

literally nothing

this is concerning as fuck

[abstract pivot]

is this just rng being rng

[hallow mesa]

it very well could be

[drowsy willow]

if it is the coincidence is absurd

[hallow mesa]

that's why I was thinking if I blacklist the unregistered moons from all weather, theoretically it would funnel ALL the rng processes onto only moons that can be seen in the terminal

[drowsy willow]

can you try running multiple days and see if it's any better?

[hallow mesa]

you mean starting multiple days where it'll only use the default weights to get initial weathers? or you mean actually running multiple days and looking at results produced by weather-to-weather weighting?

[drowsy willow]

hmm, actually both

first day weathers are always running on seed 0, so it's not representative

AND running multiple days engages weather-to-weather weights

[hallow mesa]

hmmm, now the weather is PACKED

on just the second day

of the 29 visible moons, just 3 have None for their weather...

5 windy, 4 eclipsed, 2 meteor shower

[drowsy willow]

logs should display what are the exact weights, which were used and what was the random roll 👀

[hallow mesa]

but my weather-to-weather weights should NOT be producing that much weather, especially after SO MANY started at None

hmmmmm

https://tenor.com/view/bigbird-one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-others-gif-11251276

[drowsy willow]

oh my

[hallow mesa]

the terminal is...

fucking LYING TO ME!?

[drowsy willow]

enable debug logging in Bepinex.cfg

[hallow mesa]

nope, terminal is NOT lying to me

logs are lol

oh wait a moment...

sorry, I halted the logs by clicking on the window

those were from the initial load-in lol

sumn's fucky...

upon load-in, Argent started Foggy

upon landing and taking off for day 2 to begin, the weathers cycled and Argent became Meteor Shower

buuut...

unless I'm missing something simple... the weather-to-weather weighting system claims it only had a total weight of 250 to account for (which is all weather weights added together I am assuming)

but if you looksy down in the config for foggy weather

the weather weights clearly add up to more than 250 total

the default weights for all the weathers added up is 595, but the logs claim (for weather generation on day 1 upon loading up a fresh game) that it was a total of 525...

unless I am misunderstanding the numbers presented in the logs, the logs are claiming that Weather Registry is literally ignoring its own config file

a LITTLE BIT for adding up default weights to produce day 1 weathers, and completely for weather weights to produce a weather roster for all days past first

I think I'm just misunderstanding the logs a bit... seems it's changing the number of the total weight for each moon... shouldn't it be consistent if every moon from the first day is just referencing default weights for every single decision?

Celest started as None for day 1, became Stormy upon day 2, and the config for weather weights on None adds up to 480, and the logs show 160 / 1180 (13.5% chance)

is all of this actually correct? I don't get what I'm looking at so either config is being ignored or I'm reading logs wrong

[drowsy willow]

OH NO I'M SO SO SORRY

the weather-to-weather go the opposite way

so you define it in the "new" weather based on the "previous" one

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[hallow mesa]

... hold on I need to read that like 3 more times, because I understand the concept of what you're saying but not the details

do you mean I set up my configs wrong?

[drowsy willow]

you want for foggy -> meteor transition to have weather 40

so in meteor config do foggy@40

i am so sorry for not explaining that properly 😦

it's completely on me

[hallow mesa]

oh wait

so...

it DOES NOT work like how Lethal Company selects a monster or scrap item to be spawned?

where everything has a chance based on it's rarity value, also known as its weight?

[drowsy willow]

no, it does work using weights

[hallow mesa]

then... okay which part did I get wrong?

[drowsy willow]

but in case of WtW weights there have to go the other way around

[hallow mesa]

okay so...

in order to make None be the most likely candidate after Foggy happens

I want it to have the SMALLEST weight value!?

so I want None@20 and, say, Meteor Shower@200 instead here?

[drowsy willow]

oh no, the way you have it set up is the correct order

[hallow mesa]

then why am I getting results where None is treated like it's lower than it is and the lowest are treated like they are mid or high weights?

[drowsy willow]

foggy's WtW weights mean: when Foggy was there the previous day, use those weights

[hallow mesa]

right, so after Foggy, the weather weights listed are what is used to decide the weather on that specific moon, right?

[drowsy willow]

yes

[hallow mesa]

okay then what did I get wrong?

that's exactly how I thought it worked

[drowsy willow]

but - keep in mind - not all moons have all weathers

[hallow mesa]

what does the 160 / 1180 thing in the logs mean?

does that not mean the selected weather was weight 160 out of a total 1180 from all weights combined?

[drowsy willow]

yes

it's the picked weather's weight out of the whole pool

[drowsy willow]

please do this so you get more info logged

in that file set this:

to All

[hallow mesa]

oh I thought you only wanted that because I made the mistake of confusing day 1 logs for day 2 logs

[drowsy willow]

no 😅

it's gonna display additional info in between the summaries

what was resolved and where data came from

[hallow mesa]

would I even understand what I'm looking at though?

and does my config look to you like it's set up to prioritize None the majority of the time for WtW weights?

I still don't get why the whole roster of moons just gets BLOATED with ALL kinds of weathers immediately as WtW start being used

and None is instantly treated like it's the rarity of Meteor Shower

[drowsy willow]

i can assure you that you will

[drowsy willow]

that's what i want to figure as well 😭

[vocal dune]

i wonder if the heathwave weather author takes suggestions, cuz there is one or two thing that i would love to see in this weather ^^

[drowsy willow]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1246165084288450751

[vocal dune]

thanks 😄

[hallow mesa]

day 1 - 15 of my 29 moons are None weather, 1 eclipsed, the 3 windy, 13 weathered overall

LMAO

[drowsy willow]

did it break completely 😭

[hallow mesa]

day 2 - 4 of my 29 moons are None weather, 4 meteor, 9 eclipsed, 4 windy

when weather is selected via default weight, the results look like what I'd expect according to the numbers I set

as SOON as WtW weights take precedence

something gets royally fucked up lmao

None is STILL always the majority weight on EVERY WtW weight roster

but it is consistently treated like it's the lowest lol

[drowsy willow]

that's really interesting

what's in the logs?

[hallow mesa]

hmmmm

[drowsy willow]

oh WHAT

[hallow mesa]

those are definitely, DEFINITELY not the WtW weights I set

[drowsy willow]

ON NO NO NO NO

[hallow mesa]

I was right

it's LITERALLY ignoring the config

[drowsy willow]

holy fucking shit which config has those numbers defined?

[hallow mesa]

I only got one config that even HAS the word weather in it lol

no idea

[wicked latch]

You're having fun, it seems.

[hallow mesa]

ah whitespike, lemme ask you real quick

does your LGU mod make that uhhh, what'd he call it

the uhhh vector3.zone rectangle next to the ship

[drowsy willow]

the diversion

[hallow mesa]

a solid object with collision?

[wicked latch]

The cube?

[hallow mesa]

is it possible?

[wicked latch]

I'm confused as I just dropped in the conversation.

[hallow mesa]

yes that annoying thing you can crash your cruiser into that's invisible and always beside the ship and AI defaults toward it when their pathing breaks or they can't find an AI node or whatever

this is an unrelated question to the WtW nightmare

I just wanted to know, since it's been an issue as long as I can remember making my modpack, and LGU was one of the first mods I added

[wicked latch]

#1178407269994594435 message
#1178407269994594435 message

You mean these things or you mean another new thing?

[hallow mesa]

must be a new thing, the cube is not visible

it can be jumped up and stood on

it's invisible but solid

[wicked latch]

@drowsy willow Does CreatePrimitive generate with a collider?

Because if so, it could be mine.

[drowsy willow]

😳 i literally don't know 😭

[wicked latch]

Lol.

[latent sleet]

yup

[wicked latch]

Hmm

[hallow mesa]

upon disabling LGU, the little cube no longer has collisions

it's definitely LGU somehow, Xu was right

[wicked latch]

It could be either Interactive or LGU, I would have to look.,

[drowsy willow]

okay, so

it does follow config

[hallow mesa]

it's not just player collision in case that helps, monsters literally get stuck on it while trying to default into it as a resting location during pathing issues

[drowsy willow]

but i've explained it so badly even i got lost

sorry for that

the way it works (as shown in the picture): in Meteor Shower config WtW weights that are defined are PreviousWeather@MeteorShowerWeight

so i've got my own mod wrong 😭

[hallow mesa]

then why did logs show only WtW weight None being a correct number to the config?

[drowsy willow]

None@None has 160

[hallow mesa]

right

but then it claimed Stormy had a weight of 160 when config showed 70, and Flooded was also 160 when config showed 20

[wicked latch]

So you know where the cube is exactly?
Because I supposedly toggled the collider off now when it spawns and you shouldn't be able to interact with.
So if you want to test it, I can pass you the .dll file so that you can replace it.

[hallow mesa]

oh that little bitch has driven me up the wall so many times I know EXACTLY where that bitch is

[wicked latch]

Damn.

[hallow mesa]

yeah toss me the .dll I'll confirm it works before you wanna push anything

[wicked latch]

Oki.

Kinda being lost in the middle of this so yeah, have fun.

[abstract pivot]

lol

[drowsy willow]

oh my

[abstract pivot]

yeah the cube should be at vector3.zero

[abstract pivot]

thats it?

[hallow mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

69 hr 420 mins Coding, or you're just a beta, shrimple as

[drowsy willow]

that's just today 😭

coming back to the main topic

do you understand how it works? because i'm not sure i'm explaining this properly 😅

[wicked latch]

Just make a tutorial video at this point.

Lol.

Probably a picture book would help more than words, lol.

[drowsy willow]

i was always dreading this moment would come to me

the moment you have to explain in a long way how to use your software, it's bound to fail

so, umm

HAPPY TO BE HERE 😭

[hallow mesa]

@wicked latch nope, it's still there, can still be stood on, this is me standing on it and visually floating

[wicked latch]

[hallow mesa]

got this and Lategame Upgrades currently installed

[wicked latch]

Just gimme...

The code.

[hallow mesa]

01911348-f477-203d-c92d-3f5080049629

OOOOOOH WAIT

I read this back 2 more times, I think I get it

I didn't set None weight as 300

I set METEOR SHOWER WEIGHT as 300 IF the previous weather was None?

[drowsy willow]

yes

i'm sorry for making it so shit 😭

[hallow mesa]

okay that explains it then, so it WAS my fault lol

that does make sense now

[drowsy willow]

it was my fault for explaining it wrong

[hallow mesa]

I thought it meant None weight would be 300 IF the weather had just been Meteor Shower

I see

that explains my absolutely SHITTED-up weather roster on day 2 lmao

[abstract pivot]

its literally WtW

so

None to Meteor

Windy to Meteor

i blame mrov though

[drowsy willow]

i blame myself as well

[hallow mesa]

yeah I can easily see someone thinking it works either way as their first intuition tbh

[drowsy willow]

i have to make descriptions more descriptive

sorry for the confusion 😭

[wicked latch]

I blame my computer taking too long to load any kind of code.

[hallow mesa]

well this is excellent, the fucked up weathers were the biggest hurdle in my modpack and now I have the means to fix it

[wicked latch]

[abstract pivot]

upgrade, ezpz

[wicked latch]

Gimme money.

[abstract pivot]

refactor all of coderebirth and ill send u a tenner

[wicked latch]

[hallow mesa]

now I just need to bully Xu into helping me make sure spawned-in tornados work perfect so I can have my precious storm planet that spawns more and more twisters the longer you stay

[abstract pivot]

okay okay, 30 bucks

[hallow mesa]

and this bitch will finally be ready for game night with the boiz

[drowsy willow]

😳

[abstract pivot]

and its even more money since i deal with pounds

[abstract pivot]

latest version should work, assuming u dont try to spawn them in while the weather itself is windy

[drowsy willow]

you're not that fat

[hallow mesa]

Cesspool is locked on Flooded weather, so the way I implemented them SHOULD make sure that never ever happens

[hallow mesa]

when will latest version go live so I can testy-test?

[abstract pivot]

thanks pookie

[wicked latch]

It's a good sign seeing errors at boot.

[abstract pivot]

umm, i guess i can upload it now

[wicked latch]

[abstract pivot]

dude, vsc changed so much

[hallow mesa]

I'm not a modder, all my dev experience is in level design over on the source engine from VALVe, the only errors I ever notice and try to fix are actual in-game behavior that isn't what I want it to be lol

the logs could be calling me fat and ugly and stupid every time I booted the game, I'd neeeeeever know

[abstract pivot]

dont worry, you're not playing advanced company

[hallow mesa]

LMAO I ACTUALLY SAW THAT THO

FR I DID ONCE

it went by fast and I scrolled up like "wait what?"

[abstract pivot]

lol u were there when the list of shame was a thing?

[hallow mesa]

and it was so cringe and rude and needlessly passive-aggressive

yeah

[abstract pivot]

i actually wasnt

and im really curious

what it like was

i neverr got around to finding out what was in those logs

[hallow mesa]

I remember it being some sort of quote that was assigned a name

[wicked latch]

It was yellow then grey.

Then it was gone with the mod.

[drowsy willow]

i remember it being RED

[hallow mesa]

it said something like "Advanced Company is too unstable to be worth using" or something roughly along those lines criticizing AC for being either hard to use, or hard to use with other popular mods

[wicked latch]

Red was very fun to look at.

[abstract pivot]

lmaooo

[drowsy willow]

screaming at me that i've been a naughty boy

[hallow mesa]

and it was like, someone who was relatively well known, like uhhh

Evasia I think

[wicked latch]

Because it had names I believe lol.

[hallow mesa]

the quote was attributed to someone like that

[abstract pivot]

fucking github, pressed push instead of pull

why make 3 buttons

that look

the exact same

from any distance other than 0.5cm away

[drowsy willow]

i found an old profile

[abstract pivot]

LOL

[wicked latch]

:hmmst:

[hallow mesa]

the AC dev was REALLY just... snooty in all the times I saw him in his modpage discord channel, or talked with him in it

[wicked latch]

Why are you playing stuff when I'm on first ever menu, mod?

[drowsy willow]

🤭

[manic cobalt]

lol

[hallow mesa]

one time he corrected somebody using a word in the English language, but the thing is, they spelled the word right and he spelled the word wrong lol

[drowsy willow]

let's not digress into that

some things are not worth remembering

[hallow mesa]

yeah good idea

[abstract pivot]

[drowsy willow]

some of my mods as well

[hallow mesa]

uhhh I have skinwalker basically nonfunctional with how I set up its config, and I use mirage instead if you were wondering

only reason I still have skinwalker is because it has a folder where it temporarily drops recorded sound clips, and someone in my friend group likes to snoop in that folder while we play

steal our voices, and play them back to us on the walkie talkie to bully us when we are in tense situations

it was funny, but Mirage doesn't work the same way, so I kept that mod just so that guy could keep doing that lol

[wicked latch]

Nice.

[drowsy willow]

i have some things to fix, i know 😭

but my bachelor's is arguably more important AND it's not breaking anything, so 🤷

[abstract pivot]

bro spent 2 hours not realising that he misread his own config

and NOW brings up the bachelor's

[hallow mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/not-yet-troll-face-gif-27631775

[wicked latch]

I found le cube.

[abstract pivot]

oh?

where's it from

[wicked latch]

Now to turn off all gameObjects til I stop floatting.

[abstract pivot]

please be coderebirth

ah

try sample scene gameobjects

[hallow mesa]

nah that lil bitch was there WAY before code rebirth

it isn't code rebirth

[abstract pivot]

sadge

[wicked latch]

The toggled one is the cube.

[abstract pivot]

giant specimens atleast?

[hallow mesa]

don't even have it

[wicked latch]

The thing is.

[hallow mesa]

and my experience with invisible floaty bitch ALSO predates giant specimens

[wicked latch]

This cube already appeared before landing.

[hallow mesa]

correct, it's even next to the ship while in orbit

[abstract pivot]

yeah that's normal

[hallow mesa]

if you can get some jumpy upgrades and land on it

it's still there

[wicked latch]

The thing is all of mine are named so I genuinely don't know why this cube appears.

[abstract pivot]

just auto disable it

[wicked latch]

[hallow mesa]

alright to be fair, I shouldn't be so confident @wicked latch ... it's possible LGU wasn't actually the cause, because all the moons where it is the biggest issue or easiest to accidentally run into are not any of the free moons where I learned its position by heart, and when LGU was gone, I could not forcecredits 90000 anymore to just go to those moons, so I went to Vow and hopped around and nothing stopped me from moving so I just assumed the cube wasn't there

BUT it's POSSIBLE perhaps I didn't hop around on vow enough, and the cube was still there but I didn't hit it yet

[wicked latch]

Lol.

[hallow mesa]

I suppose see if I made a cocky boo-boo and disable LGU yourself in that profile, but also go into LLL and set bozoros routing price to 0

bozoros is the easiest place to find it, those two spore lizards almost always make a bee line right to it and just sit in front of it unmoving

[hallow mesa]

@wicked latch okay nvm I shoulda trusted myself, yes it's definitely LGU producing the invisible collisions at vector3.zone cube

[wicked latch]

~Welp

Time to figure out where it's appearing from then.

Because apparently I didn't count all the cubes.

[hallow mesa]

lol

[drowsy willow]

easy cheat-sheet when i forget again

lol

[hallow mesa]

are you gonna update WR to have new defaults now that we understand how it works better?

[drowsy willow]

there is a plan for creating new set of defaults, not making any ETA promises tho

i will have to run some extensive tests with vanilla selection system and the "original" WeatherTweaks values (cause they've been created by extensive tests as well)

[hallow mesa]

well I'll keep playtesting my modpack and if I think I've achieved WtW weights that feel very similar to vanilla, I'll just toss them to you in case you wanna use those as new defaults

[drowsy willow]

and pick something that will feel vanilla-like and right

[hallow mesa]

(though they are built with windy and meteor shower included so maybe not)

[drowsy willow]

i'd be very grateful 😇

[hallow mesa]

could be nice as a readme recommendation of weights for those with code rebirth tho, just to save those people time

[unique wraith]

Any chance you can change this to how you originally thought it worked? Because this is really confusing and tedious to balance with

[hallow mesa]

I agree, being able to see the weights of all the weathers in front of you is easier to balance, as opposed to cross-referencing the weights back and forth from different sections of the config to try and make sure the math works out to have weather X always be rarer than weather Y across the board no matter what weather came before it

[drowsy willow]

noted, i'll rework the configs 🙏

[sullen patio]

having an issue where i cant see any weathers at all on the terminal, but they're still there

modpack code if needed (r2modman)01911cb1-f8b2-a612-a2ea-da965df17060

[hallow mesa]

bizarre, my modpack is like 140 mods big and it doesn't have this issue. It's gotta be some sort of conflict, my guess is something related to the terminal itself, perhaps a setting in LLL that dictates how moons are displayed in the terminal, or a not-terribly-common terminal altering mod, or possibly even a specific custom moon that has weather shenanigans tied to how it was built that somehow borks the terminal's ability to show any weathers at all.
I'd start with looking for any mods that have a config setting which hides the weather entirely, because that is indeed a thing, and I think there's even a mod to do specifically and only that as well. From there all you might be looking at is the tried-and-true method of disable-and-restart troubleshooting until they show back up if you get desperate.

[drowsy willow]

you can disable it in the config

[sullen patio]

thank you

[tepid sierra]

What exactly do the difficulty multipliers change? How do they work?

[drowsy willow]

#1203871322841808906 message

the length multiplier is added every finished quota, the player multiplier is based on # of players during the weather picking (so after takeoff)

and it's capped with maxMultiplier

[tepid sierra]

I'm just confused on what it's multiplying

oh I think I see now

[drowsy willow]

the weather weights defined in WeatherRegistry config

at some point it was all in WeatherTweaks config, that's why it's referencing it 😅

[hallow mesa]

while playing on cesspool, the second attempt to land on the moon always causes a hang on the Random Seed: screen for the host (looks like Waiting for Players... screen for clients)
My current best guess is that cesspool always forces itself to be Flooded weather due to how the moon is meant to be played, and just to make sure nothing interrupted that, I also went into weatheregistry config and made Cesspool be prohibited from ALL weathers except flooded (including prohibited from None weather). Does this log have anything in it indicating this might be the case?

I cannot spot anything immediately myself

if it isn't weatherregistry getting confused with a moon forcing its own weather, perhaps its the tornados I forced to spawn but I don't see why they'd work on the first day but cause a hang on the second unless the presence of the tornados spawned as enemies (and not from the Code Rebirth weather type they were meant for) is confusing weatherregistry into thinking it needs to use weather-to-weather weights for Windy even though it wasn't Windy but still have tornados present?

[hallow mesa]

nope, that wasn't it... now I'm stumped

[drowsy willow]

if that's the case then holy hell

[hallow mesa]

seems like it's the moon itself

apparently it used to have an issue where it would crash consistently but ONLY on the second day landing there

VERY weirdly specific detail to parallel to my problem

preeeeeetty sure it's just the moon

[storm pagoda]

[08:33:09.4815903] [Debug  :WeatherTweaks TimeOfDay] Disabling all weather
[08:33:09.4816076] [Debug  :WeatherTweaks TimeOfDay] DecativateObjects is true
[08:33:09.4819318] [Warning:WeatherRegistry] Setting effect None to False
[08:33:09.4819423] [Warning:WeatherRegistry] Setting effect DustClouds to False
[08:33:09.4819621] [Warning:WeatherRegistry] Setting effect Rainy to False
[08:33:09.4819686] [Warning:WeatherRegistry] Setting effect Stormy to False
[08:33:09.4819743] [Warning:WeatherRegistry] Setting effect Foggy to False
[08:33:09.4819803] [Warning:WeatherRegistry] Setting effect Flooded to False
[08:33:09.4819885] [Warning:WeatherRegistry] Setting effect Eclipsed to False
[08:33:09.4819956] [Warning:WeatherRegistry] Setting effect Meteor Shower to False
[08:33:09.4820061] [Warning:WeatherRegistry] Setting effect Windy to False
[08:33:09.4820150] [Warning:WeatherRegistry] Setting effect Cloudy to False
[08:33:09.4820227] [Warning:WeatherRegistry] Setting effect Heatwave to False

PLEASE, I BEG OF YOU STOP USING WARNINGS UNLESS YOU'RE ACTUALLY WARNING SOMETHING