Atlas Abyss (Custom Moon)

[fading lagoon]

A new moon of dark secrets, jagged terrain and carved stone. Below the surface, the Masked Men have broken free. The abyss below extends redacted metres and none have survived the fall.

Please message me if you find bugs or issues with the map.

If you would like a version of the map that costs (800) heres a link:

#1193657447290769489 message

Or If you would like a version of the map that costs (250) heres a link:

#1193657447290769489 message

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Zingar/Atlas_Abyss/

[whole vapor]

[supple panther]

i love this map concept

i feel like a lot of creators don't realize just how many moons we have already

only the really good ones are worth using because they don't come with new content barring maybe ooblterra which isnt out

this one is amazing. totally worth setting up

[wheat cliff]

This is amazing

[supple panther]

can the price of this moon easily be adjusted?

id like it if it had a higher cost than titan for balance

i mean im using lq and increasing spawns with my own mod so i can sorta adjust difficulty on my own but cant adjust moon price

[visual pine]

that's sick, does this have a custom interior?

[vale oyster]

this map is so nice

[supple panther]

no :/

[magic stump]

I am so exited to try this

[supple panther]

presently a custom interior would need to be a different mod (i think) because of the limitations in how custom moons and mods are made

[magic stump]

It looks fun

[supple panther]

i like the vibes personally.. it does need a custom interior though

[magic stump]

Shame but I really like how it keeps the style of the og game

I’ve seen many moons that just

Look completely off

this one looks really fun

[supple panther]

yeah its def got a permanent spot in my modpack now

[visual pine]

dang, still really awesome though! hope you make more like this!

[supple panther]

not my mod

[visual pine]

oh

[supple panther]

lol @fading lagoon

[visual pine]

ehhh whatever

[supple panther]

rofl

i've done the same thing lmao

[fading lagoon]

I think there’s mods that can up the price of moons

[supple panther]

any clue which one lol

[magic stump]

There’s only one that makes moons free as far as I’m aware

[supple panther]

yeah to my knowledge lethal expansion doesn't have a way to change modded moon pricing yet

and its not in the config anyways

[magic stump]

And no way to disable that uh

default map

[supple panther]

default map?

waterridge or ?

[magic stump]

Waterridge

[supple panther]

i just take the shit out

[magic stump]

How

[supple panther]

remove the file

[magic stump]

I haven’t messed with r2modman before

[magic stump]

Alright

[supple panther]

if you remove template mod that breaks other worlds but

removing water ridge is fine

[fading lagoon]

I’ll try find it later but if not I can just make a copy that costs more

[supple panther]

that'd be awesome dude

hey im curious is lethalsdk able to support outdoor scrap spawns

[magic stump]

wouldnt this work

[supple panther]

looks like a bool or somethin if its just 2 or 3 settings you couldn't use it for custom pricing

abyss costs nothing right now so doubling that is still nothing

[magic stump]

this one?

[fading lagoon]

No clue never tried it

[supple panther]

i really want to make a world or atleast see one released where you have overworld gameplay

like its unappealing because the generation isnt random anymore if you do but yeh

[magic stump]

Something I really want in the base game is some hidden caves/puzzles hidden by sigurd that in unlock lore tapes

[supple panther]

can someone expand a map that's already in use using sdk?

titan has the navmeshed landscape ready to go and unused

lethal level loader is probably gonna implement all this quickly but its in like.. first steps phase rn

[supple panther]

if it came with an unlockable that'd be fun

[magic stump]

That’s true, smth you could turn in to the company and they’d give you the item for sale

You’d only have to do it once though because being real it would be REALLY boring to do it every run

Since it’s the exact same puzzle

Or it could be generated that’d be neat

[supple panther]

well there's decent save to save handling of objects

[magic stump]

Either way unlockable blueprints based on where you are would be interesting

As an example

[supple panther]

it'd be complicated to do this on a planet that you leave and come back to probably but

having new landing zones

[magic stump]

what if you could dig the ground with a shovel in rend

[supple panther]

and a base you can unlock like a bunker with deep storage

[magic stump]

And unlock the nut cracker’s shotgun

[supple panther]

game isnt made for that.

[supple panther]

this exists.

[magic stump]

Obv too extreme of an example since it would break balance

[magic stump]

as a time you can buy I mean

I know you can grab it

[supple panther]

buyable shotguns

[magic stump]

But this is just an extreme example

[supple panther]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/MegaPiggy/BuyableShotgun/

[magic stump]

I don’t really like the idea of op items being sold late game or early

[magic stump]

Again it’s an example for base game

[supple panther]

cant buy something you dont have credits for

make the price 1500 if its that big of a deal

[magic stump]

True but I just dislike the concept of any actual helpful items being sold

[supple panther]

credits cant be obtained without hours in the game

[magic stump]

Like too helpful

It would make the game feel less hopeless and kill the original vibe imo

[supple panther]

shotgun isnt a god weapon you can rebalance spawns to increase challenge the only problem is the bracken makes it impossible to scale the game up

also jesters cant be killed. coilheads cant be killed. giants cant be killed. neither can dogs

and the ghost girl cant be killed

[fading lagoon]

@supple panther you still awake

[supple panther]

yup

[fading lagoon]

how much did you want the moon to cost

[supple panther]

titan is 700 so >800

i think 800 is fair for other players i would push it a bit higher for myself but yeh

[fading lagoon]

This version costs 800

[supple panther]

nice! thank you

[fading lagoon]

np

[fiery oxide]

Sorry to bother but can we please get a version that costs 250 since its a early game moon, I think it should not be to pricey. I would change it myself but I have no clue how.

[vale oyster]

Cant do it yourself and this moon is too nice looking to be free i think

[toxic fable]

Does anyone know what the name of the moon is for the config? I'm trying to enable Scoopy's dungeon interior to Atlas Abyss but I'm having trouble with the name. I'm trying to have it so the dungeon only spawns on Atlas.

[fiery oxide]

just put in Atlas Abyss it works

[toxic fable]

Still doesn't work

[fiery oxide]

Do you have the latest version of ScoopysVarietyMod? My Config looks diffrent

nvm you are using version 0.4 while there is allready version 0.5.1 out

just get the new version should work then

[surreal wave]

try atlasabyss

[toxic fable]

still not showing up, i might try a fresh install of the dungeon mod i guess

no way, apparently the .dll file never installed . It'll definetly work now

[surreal wave]

for me work 🙂 you use latest version or no?

Use Scoopys Variety Mod v0.5.1
and add to Atlas Abyss

A is Capslock.

[dark portal]

Looks cool

[fading lagoon]

This version should cost 250 :)

[fiery oxide]

Thank you! ❤️

[warped forum]

this or something around 400 should be default imo. Makes the game a bit unbalanced when theres about 2500 to loot but moon is for free

[vale oyster]

agree

[true swallow]

I think so too, there's a bit too much loot for a free moon, either reduce the loot a bit or make it around 400 bucks to fly there

[wheat cliff]

how much spawns on dine or rend?

[fading lagoon]

Yeah fair point ill make it 400

[fading lagoon]

I think around 2250-2500

[wheat cliff]

how many scrap items spawn on atlas abyss?

[fading lagoon]

around the same

[wheat cliff]

Hmm I wonder if 400 is too low then. Considering rend is 550

[warped forum]

True

You could make less scrap spawn/less value and make it 300 for an easily affordable planet early game but still containing more loot than vanilla

[wheat cliff]

Might be the move there

Too close to dine and rend rn

Dine is 600 credits

Rend minimum is 18 scrap and 26 max

Dine is 20 and 28

[fading lagoon]

I think this idea is better, ive lowered the cost to 300 and lowered scrap spawn closer to rends scrap spawn rates

[wheat cliff]

Yes I like that

Seems more balanced

So the scrap spawn is lower than rend but close?

[fading lagoon]

yea is basically rend but more enemies

[wheat cliff]

So for abyss, you getless scrap spawn but more enemies spawns for half the price of rend.

[fading lagoon]

Yeah

[warped forum]

seems fine for me, thank you 😁

[warped forum]

You're gonna upload it with the next release? Cuz it's not on thunderstore yet

nvm I guess its just thunderstore taking a minute, I see it on the web but not on the launcher

[fading lagoon]

I uploaded it but Idk how long the launcher takes to update

[celest viper]

So uh, I found a way to scale down into the "unreachable depths"

Just slowly dropping on the left of the ship

hugging the wall

I will say, dogs on the bridge are exceptionally brutal, not sure if that's intentional or not

If not, making the bridge a smidge wider would be nice

[vale oyster]

i like it that way as it makes it challenging to cross

[fading lagoon]

It’s intentional but climbing down doesn’t really give any unfair advantages but I can still fix it thank you for letting me know

[vague tangle]

@fading lagoon lmk if you have any questions about LLL btw, happy to answer them

[fading lagoon]

Hey amazing mod btw, was just wondering when template moon will be released. Otherwise I might try without the template see how far I can get

[vague tangle]

Working on the best way to handle templates and documentation right as we speak aha. been working with KayNetsua all day getting EGypt ported

You can get pretty far if your comfortable with unity and looking at the basegame assetrips for ref

[fading lagoon]

Do you know where I can find some asset rips to use as ref

[vague tangle]

#1189846772286242826

[fading lagoon]

Thank you I'll see how far I can get, Ill let you know if I have any questions

[boreal saddle]

Maybe its because we got the SCP dungeon, but no enemies spawned outside. Stayed until midnight.

I also have Backrooms, and when i checked console there was something about pathpolygons or something like that. Dont remember well

[celest viper]

It's possible. I've definitely had enemies spawn outside before. Dogs and masked are your main threats on Atlas

I have backrooms and SCP dungeon but don't have it enabled on Atlas

Could've just been RNG too

[boreal saddle]

Couldn't have been, we went 3 days there.

None had enemies outside, but inside there was on the SCP map and the normal facility. Barely any though.

[celest viper]

Hmm, strange. Tbf I've only seen one or two enemies outside on any day that wasn't Eclipsed

Atlas is a little on the easier end

And if Masked spawn, there's a high likelihood they sprint for a fire exit and you never see them again

[boreal saddle]

when do they spawn even lol

i cheated to go to atlas and havent seen anything spawn

yeah nothing spawned but the dungeon was scp as well

oh they did

just had to leave the ship

2 dogs tho and only at 8pm

half expected there to be more at an S difficulty

[celest viper]

I honestly think Atlas is currently more of an A difficulty

But I like it where it's at

I don't need more super difficult maps in my pack

[stiff helm]

None of these work for me, does anyone know why this might be?

They do work for the vanilla moons though

[cyan drift]

for the castle one

you didnt put a rarity on it so that may cause issues

[stiff helm]

so it should be Atlas Abyss99999

[cyan drift]

So it would be Atlas Abyss99999 for example

yea

and then just capitalize secret labs

Secret Labs

[stiff helm]

yea lemme try this

[stiff helm]

Neither worked

[cyan drift]

well thats literally what I have mine as

so idk

[stiff helm]

Should I try without guarantee

[cyan drift]

sure

[stiff helm]

am I supposed to put the LEM files somewhere in particular

[cyan drift]

idk I use a mod manager

[stiff helm]

still doesen't work, could check for me where your LEM filed have landed?

[cyan drift]

its in the same place as the dll

[stiff helm]

like it's just in the plugins folder?

[stiff helm]

or should the LEM be but in the dungeon generation's folder?

[cyan drift]

and then its just in the scoopysvarietymod folder

[stiff helm]

could you open the second scoopy folder?

so I can see what's inside

[stiff helm]

Maybe I'm supposed to stick the LEM in there idk

[cyan drift]

the top one is the lem

obviously

[stiff helm]

Mine's identical then

[cyan drift]

these are the instructions on the website

so

idk

you have all the required mods?

[stiff helm]

yea I have them

[stiff helm]

where are your map files for the moons located?

I now noted an error in the console where the dungeon generators cannot find the specified moons

currently mine are in the lethal expansion > modules folder

[stiff helm]

they're standalone alright

[stiff helm]

Could you send a screenshot of your configs?

[cyan drift]

for scoopys

for scp

[vale oyster]

too many 9s

Experimentation50,Offense50,Vow50,Assurance50,Rend100,Dine100,Titan150,Kast250,Taiga200,Aquatis180,Orion60,Auralis170,Castle Grounds150,Atlas Abyss250

oh i dont have it at 999 anymore

[cyan drift]

mine works

[vale oyster]

did it get updated

it had a limitation

[cyan drift]

yeah

[vale oyster]

and it was like 9998

[cyan drift]

the limitation

[vale oyster]

or something

[stiff helm]

I think 5 9s is the limit

[cyan drift]

is 99999

[stiff helm]

oh

[vale oyster]

well it was 9998 not 9999

but it might have been fixed

[cyan drift]

Im pretty sure it was 99998

[stiff helm]

I'll give it a shot

[cyan drift]

well unless you have an older version

[vale oyster]

yeah prob one more 9

[cyan drift]

it shouldnt matter

[stiff helm]

Not working

[stiff helm]

Could you open the config files in a text editor?

my guess is that the dungeon mods are not finding the moons

but I don't know how to fix this

Is there a way of making so that a certain mod loads later?

Looking in the console the moons are registered, maybe I should not have rarity, low rarity I don't know at this point

[knotty palm]

Really quick question, is this the correct format for allowing a modded interior to spawn on moded moons?

[stiff helm]

if CastleDungeonMoons is set to list it should work

but I'm currently struggling with it just not working

[knotty palm]

atlas abyss?

Or modded interiors

[stiff helm]

The Variety modded interior in Atlas Abyss

[knotty palm]

yeah thats the thing

Im fairly certain its a problem in how we declare what modded moons things spawn in

I came here because I thought we might have to put a unique name into the config for the modded moons

[celest viper]

That looks right compared to mine, I honestly think your settings are just really low which is why you're not seeing it often

[knotty palm]

mine?

[celest viper]

actually yknow what

get rid of atlas

just type abyss

that worked for me

secret labs should work as is

CastleDungeonMoonsList = assurance300,offense200,orion200,aquatis100,abyss9999

Mine currently

Works with all and is almost always guaranteed on Atlas Abyss

[stiff helm]

CastleDungeonMoonsList = abyss9999

trying this

[celest viper]

Yeah my current settings work for me for sure

So if that doesn't work then it could be a mod conflict or someth

[stiff helm]

It does work for vanilla moons

[knotty palm]

it should be completely guaranteed i think, no?

[celest viper]

Technically no

At 9999, you're effectively giving it a 9999/9999+whateverbasechance of atlas abyss

So like the base game, there's a very low chance of the other maps

But at 9999 it should be incredibly rare

[knotty palm]

ok thats really good to know :P

[celest viper]

Yup yup

Technically you could even go for adding one extra 9 to make it abysmally low chance of other maps

But that's a player choice

[stiff helm]

My issue is so specific I cannot imagine that another mod is causing it to not work

[celest viper]

You'd be surprised 😂

[knotty palm]

whats the issue again? sorry

:)

[stiff helm]

On modded moons specifically I cannot get custom dungeons working

[stiff helm]

Interesstingly when I put all it only works for vanilla moons

Do modded moons get listed for y'all on the computer?

[knotty palm]

oh dang so it NEVER works for modded moons??

what moons are you testing?

[stiff helm]

abyss and scp base

[knotty palm]

yep they do!

[stiff helm]

damn something is very wrong on my end

'cause they're not listed

[knotty palm]

do you have LethalLevelLoader, LethalExpansion, AND LethalExpansionCore?

[stiff helm]

not core actually

[celest viper]

That'll do it

Get LECore

LethalExpansion has a TON of issues

[knotty palm]

get core, it works WAY better

[celest viper]

And LECore patches them

[stiff helm]

should I have both?

[celest viper]

Yeah you can

[stiff helm]

or only core

[celest viper]

LECore will effectively disable LE

[stiff helm]

Understood

Now let's see

[celest viper]

But you can have both so that mods that have LE as a dependency still work

[knotty palm]

it seem to work?

[stiff helm]

TooManyEmotes.Patches.PlayerPatcher.CheckIfStopPerformingEmoteDirty (GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB __instance) (at <abc4feef84444f0ab5832fdbb46a69f6>:IL_0001)
(wrapper dynamic-method) GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB.DMD<GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB::Update>(GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB)

[Error : Unity Log] KeyNotFoundException: The given key 'Player (30) (GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB)' was not present in the dictionary.
Stack trace:
System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2[TKey,TValue].get_Item (TKey key) (at <787acc3c9a4c471ba7d971300105af24>:IL_001E)
TooManyEmotes.Patches.PlayerPatcher.CheckIfStopPerformingEmoteDirty (GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB __instance) (at <abc4feef84444f0ab5832fdbb46a69f6>:IL_0001)
(wrapper dynamic-method) GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB.DMD<GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB::Update>(GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB)

[Error : Unity Log] KeyNotFoundException: The given key 'Player (31) (GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB)' was not present in the dictionary.
Stack trace:
System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2[TKey,TValue].get_Item (TKey key) (at <787acc3c9a4c471ba7d971300105af24>:IL_001E)
TooManyEmotes.Patches.PlayerPatcher.CheckIfStopPerformingEmoteDirty (GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB __instance) (at <abc4feef84444f0ab5832fdbb46a69f6>:IL_0001)
(wrapper dynamic-method) GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControlle

now many mods are screaming

[knotty palm]

different errors is good hehe

[stiff helm]

maybe I should just not have lethal expansion?'

[celest viper]

You need LE/LECore for modded moons

It looks like TooManyEmotes is breaking from the error

[cyan drift]

well he isnt using a mod manager so i dont think he has a dependency issue

so theoretically

he could get rid of lethal expansion

[stiff helm]

it doesen't look like I had lethal expansion to begin with

[cyan drift]

wow

ok

well

get lethal expansion core

[celest viper]

Fair

[stiff helm]

oh wait I do

[cyan drift]

still get core

[stiff helm]

[Info : Unity Log] soumdmanager: True; False what is this bruh

[stiff helm]

Now I'm getting a black screen with smoke, is this a known issue of any specific mod?

[cyan drift]

well i dont know what mods you have

so idk

is there a reason you arent using a mod manager btw

I dont really care

but it is easier

[stiff helm]

I don't like mod managers in general

usually because I tinker with mods

[cyan drift]

you can always still tinker with mods with mod managers

but anyways

yeah i dont see a reason why thats happening

[stiff helm]

I'm gonna see if any mod requires LethalExpansion (Which I doubt)

[cyan drift]

well the secret labs moon does

so does atlas abyss

but lethal expansion core should cover those

you could still try to have both tho

[stiff helm]

I did try that but I got the black screen with smoke

[cyan drift]

oh

[stiff helm]

nop not a single one

let's try again

Nope doesen't work at all

Core seems to mess things up even more

[cyan drift]

you should post your logs (I probably cant help with logs but maybe someone else can)

[stiff helm]

the logs say frustratingly little

[knotty palm]

do you have anything that cuts down on logs or no?

[knotty palm]

yea you should probably still try to post the logs

[stiff helm]

I THINK I SOLVED IT

I DID IT

IT STARTED LOOKING FOR LETHALEXPANSION IN LETHALEXPANSIONCORE

I just copied it over

damn

that is

[eager carbon]

price should honestly be 650

[celest viper]

Disagree, am tired of every moon having super lategame prices and Atlas Abyss is honestly not that hard

More A-tier than S-tier imo

Orion feels much more 650 than AA

[knotty palm]

Anyone know what spawns outside Atlas Abyss?

[true swallow]

dogs for sure, masked can come out

[eager carbon]

kast the best one fr

[celest viper]

Yeah I've only seen Dogs, Masked and Manticoils

Mostly on the bridge which results in angry dogs on the bridge

[celest viper]

I love Kast, I do, but please keep some slightly easier maps, I don't want every map I visit to be hell

My current moons are Aquatis, Orion, Ducky, Atlas Abyss, Secret Labs, and Kast

[eager carbon]

i get your point but my ocd ass and friends also hate when easy levels look like they are above titan 💀

[celest viper]

Trust me, I feel that. I have asked both LE and LECore's devs to add a way to sort the moons in the browser and both were like "Hmm, seems difficult" and never got back to me 💀

I would LOVE to order them by difficulty, I really would

[vague tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/pirate-reaction-captain-stare-watch-gif-4543988

[celest viper]

Hello Javert, would you like to help me

[vague tangle]

its on my trello

[celest viper]

Sweet

[vague tangle]

i got the moons data prepared in a way to process it like you want

[celest viper]

Then I look forward to it!

But I look forward to everything involving LLL

I will eventually make a Spooky's Jumpscare Mansion layout

[vague tangle]

maybe ill make a tribute volcanic themed map called tremor

[fading lagoon]

gaints aswell just very low chance

[knotty palm]

Whenever I try to play Aquatis or Orion, the game lags a lot during the bootup and save file creation, is that just me or no?

[celest viper]

It takes a bit longer during bootup, save file creation is fine for me tho

[knotty palm]

game fully lags out for me during bootup tbh

Windows even opens the "app is not responding" window

[green phoenix]

Ment to ask Batby but what happened to the More Moons thread? Was it canned for inactivity?

[vague tangle]

yeah discord is dumb

more moons far from scrapped

[celest viper]

More moons scrapped confirmed

[vague tangle]

more moons almost dropped early w/ LLL lmao

[green phoenix]

I was really concerned when it went, I really enjoyed the stuff shown in that thread

[vague tangle]

just remember that the only reason LLL exists is because i got annoyed about LE limitations

while making more moons

🤠

[celest viper]

Don't blame ya

It's good for people who want a simple, codeless environment for making moons, but for making something truly unique it ain't enough chief

[green phoenix]

Oh wait I literally just saw the thread there, I have no idea if I'm being dim or what 🤔

[eager carbon]

Wym?

[celest viper]

Hard to explain

[knotty palm]

give an example of something unique in a moon?

[celest viper]

That's kinda what I'm saying, right now there aren't

Cuz you can't code anything unique cuz you're limited by what LE is capable of

But if you want to add a unique feature to your moon, you can't rn

Unlessss you use LLL

[primal jackal]

u have a plan date for it to come out?

[supple panther]

[fading lagoon]

the port is done and ready just waiting on the next LLL update

[knotty palm]

@fading lagoon, does Secret Labs still not work with multiplayer like it says in the readme?

[fading lagoon]

Yeah im porting that next should be done tomorrow

[knotty palm]

port will fix it?

[fading lagoon]

yes tested it with atlas and can play multiplayer custom dungeons on it

[eager carbon]

using scoopys on the map. 7pm and no enemies 😭

only boombas

[fading lagoon]

its probably one of the mods messing with spawns but the new port isnt out yet

[eager carbon]

been trying to see if one of them is

it keeps going back and forth

finally one enemy decided to spawn tho

but only one

gotta tinker probably

[stiff helm]

Is custom moons not working multiplayer a known issue?

[fading lagoon]

Custom moons work multiplayer just not with custom dungeons unless it uses LLL

[stiff helm]

what is LLL?

[fading lagoon]

Lethallevelloader

The custom moon has to use it aswell as the dungeon I think

[stiff helm]

Oh I see, the scp and dungeon ones don't right?

[fading lagoon]

The scp dungeon uses LLL I think just not the moon yet

I’ll port over the secret labs map

[stiff helm]

So your SCP moon does not support custom dungeons in multiplayer?

Or is it both?

[fading lagoon]

Both don’t support it at the moment but next LLL patch atlas will be ported to LLL so atlas will support it

[stiff helm]

Okay, do notify 'cause your maps are really cool

[fading lagoon]

Hopefully will be sometime today

[stiff helm]

F yeah

[fading lagoon]

Also comes with a lot of fixes and small changes

[stiff helm]

Uh is egypt the only custom moon that supports level loader? lmao

[fading lagoon]

Yea I ’m pretty sure it is

[stiff helm]

Is there a way of seeing what mod each log is for?

[knotty palm]

EGypt's dev and LLL's dev are working together to lay the groundwork

they're really close too

[knotty palm]

not really because the mods are affecting base game things which are what are triggering the logs

like

a custom moon mod might cause Unity Log warnings but you cant really tell which mod is making the warnings

but ig u can sort of tell through checking what logs its inbetween

[fading lagoon]

Yeah true hopefully they can fix that navmesh thing

But I don’t use the terrain tool and my port doesn’t spam the console with navmesh

[stiff helm]

When a player connects to my game everything crashes and all the logs are nonsense, I want to know which mod is causing the error without having to go through and isolating each

[fading lagoon]

Which log are you looking at

[stiff helm]

The console
[Info : Unity Log] soumdmanager: True; False
[Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
LCOuijaBoard.Plugin+StartOfRoundPatch.Update (StartOfRound& __instance) (at <97d007071eee4559870c7ba8e909b650>:IL_0010)
(wrapper dynamic-method) StartOfRound.DMDStartOfRound::Update(StartOfRound)

Stack trace is different each time

[fading lagoon]

The actual log is more useful

[stiff helm]

Where can I find it?

[fading lagoon]

In bepinex

[stiff helm]

here's the client log

Or the joiner

I'll try and get the host's aswell

this must be an old log

here's the host

here's the joiner

[knotty palm]

@fading lagoon i know i shouldn't ask but are there any secrets on abyss...??? :P

[fading lagoon]

There will be next update

[knotty palm]

i love the decor, and i noticed there are def some interesting symbols on the walls.

[stiff helm]

Everything is working, thanks for the help guys!

[primal jackal]

i really hope this works

it got so much potensial

[surreal wave]

💀

[whole vapor]

Sadly this is such an easy thing to fix but i dont see many devs doing it

The logging being a problem anyway

BepInEx comes with its own logging solution that means instead of "Unity Log" it says "[Info: YourPlugin]" which makes debugging a lot easier

[vale oyster]

Are coil head working on this map asking for someone @fading lagoon

As if they can see players not just walk around random places

[fading lagoon]

its still LE so it should

[vale oyster]

Well some modded moons coil heads dont work it tends to be related to the level not the mod

A lot of levels has fixed it

[celest viper]

I haven't had any issues with Coils on this map but can't say for sure

[vale oyster]

Thats good enough for me i think it should have been a consistant issue otherwise

[surreal wave]

@fading lagoon you should add new route or make like Vow the Bridge ( if to heavy you know break the bridge 💀 )
why i suggest that because this is... 8 AM Forest giant come out

[vale oyster]

add some parkour

[serene reef]

true a parkour shortcut would go hard

does anyone know some existing alternatives for lethal expansion ive heard people running core to avoid le's bloating but im unsure myself i currently have two modpacks because of lethal expansion so it'd be nice to get some affirmations

[green phoenix]

If you use LEcore with LE it'll only use the necessary elements for handling moons and none of the other bloat

As for LE, LEcore and custom dungeons on custom moons, I think LLL and LEcore incompatabilities were resolved? I'm not sure, Batby will be able to give an answer to that

[serene reef]

icy icy thank you for being really insightful

yippeee

[celest viper]

A parkour shortcut for avoiding giants sounds neat

[green phoenix]

Everyone gangsta til the giant does the parkour course

[magic stump]

I think the giant should be able to do it too but like, have a certain time it takes to jump

if it just cant reach doing parkour would make things too easy

[fading lagoon]

Letting the giants do the jumps means they will always catch up if you have scrap on you

[magic stump]

that's kind of fair

you gotta think quick and drop smth that sounds fair

[green phoenix]

I've not played this moon yet but at the very least 2 handed items would be a pain, jetpack solves all the single handed loot items I suppose and giants are super rare here are they not?

[fading lagoon]

Yeah giants are super rare but I could just remove the spawn instead of the parkour

[visual pine]

i don't think there'd be any way to do that

lethal company enemies jump across gaps by floating

[raven pike]

One of my favorite moons

[real crow]

Was about to say, I've never seen a giant on AA

I wonder if it's as rare as seeing a Giant on Assurance or smth, or even a Ghost on Experimentation

[primal jackal]

wait is the mod out?

[boreal saddle]

What's the internal name?

[warped forum]

Is there a reason why Atlas Abyss is taking so long to load? Got a pretty long loading time already and I'd love to reduce it

[fading lagoon]

"Atlas Abyss"

The loading time should also be reduced after its ported to LLL

[past venture]

Zingar, I showed my guys your new moon yesterday and I think out of all the modded moons ive shown them so far, yours are their favorites, and they really aren't a fan of mods and such

[raven pike]

Happy to hear that, this is definitely a permanent addition to my list

[past venture]

we had a great moment where we were cornered by dogs and masked and juked them with some quiet tactics, and the loot is pretty good just maybe a bit strong for 300

[fading lagoon]

Loot and spawns are also reworked but will need some testing after its released just debating whether I release the port now or wait for the fixes tomorrow.

Heres change log for next release if you are interested.

• Ported over to LethalLevelLoader.
• Reworked enemy spawns. (testing need feedback to levels of both)
• Reworked scrap spawns. (testing need feedback to levels of both)
• Fixed collisions on starting rock to prevent being able to slide to the bottom.
• Improved navmesh.
• Improved surfaces to be more smooth.
• Fixed collisions on bridge.
• Changed the itemship to have a hole in the rocks to arrive.
• Itemship should now drop items closer to ground.
• Fixed missing texture.
• Fixed spots you get stuck in.
• Removed collisions on small rocks.
• Change spawn island slightly.
• Fixed cube map.
• Fixed gaps in the rock.
• Fixed items floating instead of dropping to the abyss.
• Changed collisions on several assets.
• Created new stone material and swapped starting area material.
• Added parkout to fire exit side to get to ship.
• Add config to change the moon price

[raven pike]

LLL has pretty good gains on load time processing in general?

[fading lagoon]

Yeah its alot faster, I also removed everything that was pulling assets from other mods

[west drift]

oh shoot when is that update dropping

might hold off til then

sounds juicy

[fading lagoon]

#1188590906497060894 message

[raven pike]

That reminds me tangentially, does this specifically pull the dungeon interior if it's present?

[west drift]

rad

[fading lagoon]

Ive only set it to default dungeons since you can just add the chance in the configs

[raven pike]

Don't get me wrong I like that it does, this is the moon where it probably fits the most

[fading lagoon]

Do you know what the custom dungeons id is

[raven pike]

I can check

[raven pike]

Still not sure but wanted to note in the meantime I just saw the difference of load times for another moon before and after moving to LLL and wow it's considerably faster, looking forward to the next version

[green phoenix]

Just got to say I love this mod! Got it first time with Scoopy's dungeon and that suits it perfectly, I do need to ask what can be done around sounds? The lack of ambience and the stepping sounds are all I can really think of here, a good part of making the atmosphere on moons is what you hear or see

[raven pike]

Some looming chasm SFX ambiance would be pretty great

[fading lagoon]

Thats a good idea ill try get that working before the release

[green phoenix]

I feel something like this would be neat

https://youtu.be/Xi4DZOhHkI4?si=DGXrU406eMpYVaGe

And I'm not sure what sounds lethal has available or how it handles footstep sounds, but the one whenever you walk on the grey stone at like the assurance entrance should work

[chrome beacon]

lll port hell yeah

I'm excitedly awaiting the day I can uninstall le

[celest viper]

Some of the older moons may never update, not to mention there are still new moons being developed using LE's SDK, but LethalExpansionCore fixes basically any real compat issues so I don't mind either way ^^

[chrome beacon]

yeah that's fair, but LLL loading times 🤤🤤

plus LEC is causing my game to not launch (idk why)

[celest viper]

Huh, odd

[knotty palm]

Ayo send modpack list

[celest viper]

LLL's loading times comparatively are certainly nice

[vague tangle]

LLL loading times are actually kinda long lmaoo

[celest viper]

Oof

LLL just doesn't tell you that so it feels faster

[chrome beacon]

it's in #1193705132081291275

[vague tangle]

the loading time increase on egypt was literally disabling all meshcolliders before instansiating the level and turning them back on one by one in async

[chrome beacon]

#1193705132081291275 message

that's the bugged pack

[raven pike]

Is the internal name just atlas abyss?

[real crow]

Yeah

[green phoenix]

🙂

Oh yeah just to confirm our group was playing Kast and Atlas today using the custom interiors and we had zero issues with LEcore

[knotty palm]

awesome!

[knotty palm]

@fading lagoon sorry for ping, is this still true for all of your moons or no?

(I might have asked before but I think I wasn't sure about the answer :) )

[cyan drift]

what exactly are you asking

there are 2 different things in that image that you could be asking works

[knotty palm]

Incompatability issues with multiplayer!

Apologies

[cyan drift]

as long as you have lethal expansion core

everything should be fine

[fading lagoon]

Yeah with core it should be fine but whenever the update for LLL is out both my moons will work

[forest summit]

LLL update is out!

[raven pike]

woooo

I don't see it on the site 😨

[forest summit]

sorry was just a heads up for Zingar

im not saying the Atlas Abyss update is out

[raven pike]

oh haha

[fading lagoon]

Thanks uploading the port now

[west drift]

DUB

[fading lagoon]

Change log is up on the website https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Zingar/Atlas_Abyss/changelog/

[west drift]

sheeeeeeeesh

juicy

[green phoenix]

Brilliant can't wait to try it out, also I'd just like to say that jetpacking is very fun on this moon, you're doing great work 🫡

[fading lagoon]

Atlas Abyss (Custom Moon)

[forest summit]

wooo lets go!

[raven pike]

I know some opinions seem to differ on LECore vs. LLL but I just did some stopwatch tests with my load times between LECore Atlas Abyss & LLL and it was a difference of 10 seconds faster with LLL for me at least. Cheers!

[visual pine]

i don't think loading times really matter. wow the game takes 6 more seconds to boot up what a big deal

[raven pike]

When you've got 20 modded moons that adds up quickly

[frigid agate]

this usually happens per each modded moon, optimization goes a long way

I will never complain about a mod becoming more optimized

[visual pine]

this is a good point

but eh, if someone has 50 modded moons it's their fault

[raven pike]

What an odd stance to take

[warped forum]

just 4 moons with 6 seconds longer loading time is painful

almost half a minute just for booting up on top and if theres any bugs and the game has to be restartet you wait again

[raven pike]

Consider that without any mods, LC loads inside of like 10 - 15 seconds. Then with modded LC, you might be playing with a big group of friends, and if something happens and most of the group need to relaunch the game or whatever, there's a world of difference between that taking people a minute versus four minutes or whatever.

It becomes a budgeting thing where you wind up going 'Well we'd really like to play with that moon, but that moon literally doubles the time it takes to load the game versus these ten moons that have a negligable impact on load time.'

[visual pine]

this is a good point x2 i forgot that good pc is not the only type of pc that exists

[raven pike]

We're only three months into modding for LC so I can easily see in another six months there being dozens and dozens of cool moons to expand on the game with, so long term the more commonplace and efficiency can be made and the easier it can be implemented, the bigger impact it'll have as people broadly start expanding on the game a lot more.

[celest viper]

Personally I don't find the load times to be a big deal, but I also acknowledge that they should be improved if and when possible

[green phoenix]

Seeing how far the modding scene of this game has gotten since the demo in October has been wild, I can't wait to see what sort of things the future holds

[surreal wave]

@fading lagoon this is Price Moon is override? because Uncertain Company not work the moons price this is atlas abyss [ latest version ]. i mean Random Price Moons

old version work fine for random Price Moons

[formal basin]

dunno if this is the place i go for this but should atlas abyss be taking me to a test moon?

[fading lagoon]

Are you using lethal expansion?

[formal basin]

yes

[fading lagoon]

get rid of lethal expansion, use lethal expansion core

[formal basin]

alright

[celest viper]

If any of your mods say they need Lethal Expansion as a dependency, just install both

LECore will overwrite LE

[vague tangle]

LLL will be a lot faster in the future 🤝

[raven pike]

this gaggle of 10 friends who want to visit too many moons to die in calamitous ways salutes you

[knotty palm]

nice! speaking of moons being faster, potatoe talked about loading in navmesh colliders one by one instead of all at once at the start, do you think its possible/a good idea to make that happen for all custom moons?

Sorry if I dunno what I'm talking about I just thought it was a really interesting concept. I assume the closest colliders would have to be loaded first, just not sure

[vague tangle]

Absolutely, But scenes in Unity can't be accessed before loading them at runtime, so thats going to be a feature of the assetbundle builder

[knotty palm]

I feel a little smarter now yay, but uh.. what exactly is the assetbundle builder?

:P

[knotty palm]

by this do you mean its not something part of LLL :P

[vague tangle]

It's the process/window used in Unity Editor to compile the stuff you have in editor into the assetbundle/s

basically because I can't turn them off before loading the scene in LLL directly, what the custom builder will do is make a copy of the scene before build and turn them all off before its built into the bundle

that way it's done automatically

[knotty palm]

Gotcha! So... someone needs to make a custom builder. Sounds like a simple enough thing to code but it also sounds like hell to mess with unity editor

[green phoenix]

Weird bug where outdoors is counted as indoors and vice versa, see the time

[knotty palm]

you sure its because of this mod?

and what happened beforehand

[green phoenix]

Positive, LLL changeover happened, and i've been playing it regularly

[knotty palm]

i wonder if other custom moons have the same issue

[green phoenix]

Nah tried out Egypt and Kast, they're working fine

I mean this is too, just the timer and echo effect is inside

[celest viper]

Might be due to the LLL update, might have been configured oddly

Enemy spawns still working properly? No eyeless dogs in the building?

[green phoenix]

Yeah spawns are all fine, even got a giant on the outside

[fading lagoon]

Is it everytime or one off

[green phoenix]

It seemed pretty consistent when I was entering the facility, everything would be echoey like I was outside, it would fix itself if I went to the ship

Also not sure if it was because I was cutting straight to the facility on jetpack

Okay I think I know what might be causing it

I get into the facility before the timer even appears 😅

[fading lagoon]

Speedrun

[vague tangle]

I think some of your audioreverbtrigger bools are wrong, if you dm me screenshots of them i can compare w/ egypt

its a little finnicky

[fading lagoon]

There’s usually one at the start of the ship? Because I don’t have one there

[vague tangle]

yeah shockingly needed

i copied the triggers from assurance and cleaned them up for egypt iirc

[fading lagoon]

I’ll have to fix it when I get home then

Could you send screen shots of the reverbs so I can copy them

[vague tangle]

i can but might just be worth loading up assurance assetrip yourself so i dont miss anything

[calm agate]

use it with scoopy castle, fits in well

[visual pine]

bro that was ten days ago

[calm agate]

mhm and?

also do enemies spawn outside in this map

[visual pine]

yeah

[calm agate]

do u know if its the same with secret labs mod?

[surreal wave]

zingar u should not make Price Moons Atlas Abyss is Override that price. make Anothers mod like custom price moons become conflict. but i already know solution delete Atlasabyss.dll

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/956743214398836806.webp?size=48&name=vn_hehe&quality=lossless

[cyan drift]

speak english

[surreal wave]

idc about eng dude, when my job is QA

and i'm not Main language ENG so?

[knotty palm]

how?? Lol :P

do you have your game time set differently for egypt or something?

[fading lagoon]

Sure I’ll make the DLL optional

[fading lagoon]

They both do

Atlas has the same as rend and secret is same as titan

[fading lagoon]

Im missing an audioreverb which should fix it

[knotty palm]

how would an audioreverb fix the timer?

[vague tangle]

lethal company

[knotty palm]

Lmaoo

Is audioreverb like an area where audio uh reverbs?

[vague tangle]

no

[knotty palm]

(can I ask what it is then)

[faint tangle]

I apologize if this has been asked already, but does this mean there is another seperate custom interior for this moon? and if so where do I add it, it's too vague

[fading lagoon]

I haven’t made a custom interior yet I’ll clear up the read me after I fix the other issues

[faint tangle]

[fading lagoon]

But scoopy variety mod fits well with it

[calm agate]

yep

[real crow]

Ye idea is you download smth like Scoopy's Variety Mod, and in the config, you add the Atlas Abyss moon for the Castle Dungeon indoor theme

[hidden cedar]

What do we type in the castle dsungeon moon list

[green phoenix]

Watch video, although it might be a missing trigger

[knotty palm]

Ajshsha my bad! I thought that was an image fsr!

[fading lagoon]

Update to 1.1.1

• Added audio reverbs to fix the outside and inside switching.
• Added the ability to disable and enable the DLL in config. (off by default)
• Added more scrap into the spawn pool. (Notably the comedy and tragedy masks)

[scenic cobalt]

The map is amazing visually
what's the stats of the scraps on this moon ? I mostly find stuff that cost 10-15 and the loot at the end of the day are never very high, especially for a paid map so I don't go on it most of the time

[raven pike]

This is one of my favorite maps for sure, it's so unique and flavorful and still fits great with the game IMO. If this got a custom interior too that would be gnarly, it works really well with the dungeon one though.

[sharp lake]

i love the exteriors and design of this moon but balance wise i don't think it feels very good

havent played that much but the surface felt very empty (mostly avoidable dog spawns, also only very late in the day after we had finished moving almost everything)

[real crow]

Do Masked spawn outside too or are they able to escape the inside with Scoopy's interior theme now as well?

[sharp lake]

in the interiors we only saw 2 masked and 2 thumpers

and that was all 3 days together

[real crow]

Quite a difference compared to me lmao

[sharp lake]

for a $300 moon it just doesn't feel like much is going on with it

[real crow]

1 day alone I had Loot Bug, Spore Lizard, and a Bracken

Outside had 2 Masked, Dog, and a Giant

[sharp lake]

maybe we just had a particularly unlucky run then

we were using the dungeon interior so that could be part of the issue

[real crow]

I know if enemies spawn in the coffin room, they usually get stuck

[sharp lake]

if the masked don't already spawn outside, i think that would be helpful

i didn't encounter any giants on any of the 3 days so i wasn't even aware they could appear

even staying till like 10 pm

i think surface masked would make a lot more sense though. the whole flair of the map is surrounding masked and there's basically 0 cover for giants

i dont think giants would be very fun to deal with

[real crow]

All the other times before the LLL update I encountered only dogs

It was my 1 run after the LLL update I encountered them

[sharp lake]

i stayed on the ship with a shovel all day and night and never had to use it on a masked like i was hoping could happen

and on the inside my crew only encountered 1 masked on day 1 and day 3

[real crow]

I had to lock myself into the interior since there was no cover, kinda SOL if a giant spots you on the map

I only SOMEHOW got out thru sheer dumb luck, double sheer dumb luck cause a masked got killed by a dog as I was running the fuck to the ship while the Giant's back was turned

[fading lagoon]

I can increase the scrap and the outside spawns, the giants are just a very rare spawn it should only really be masked and dogs

[gleaming forge]

is it moon with map or only moon?

[knotty palm]

only moon, right now moons and interiors are both getting debugged, this moon WILL have a custom interior at some point tho iirc

[sharp lake]

i think the outside spawns should happen earlier in the day. maybe even close to all day (around 10:30-11) so you have enough time to grab equipment and go in but it's dangerous all day otherwise

when we played there was a pretty good density of dogs outside, very late into the day; they just didn't come out early enough to be a problem for us

[raven pike]

problem with masked outside is with the layout of this map it could become functionally impossible to get back to the ship safely, let alone leave anyone on the ship for comms

[sharp lake]

we never encountered any masked outside. not sure if they're meant to spawn naturally or if they just weren't leaving the dungeon for us

[raven pike]

masked spawning inside then leaving the dungeon is how they work on every map afaik, dungeon interior they can get stuck though

facility, mansion etc. they'll try to make their way outside and go visit the ship

in that normal behavior you can conceivably mitigate it by people inside engaging and fighting them

but if they start appearing outside in fiat, the ship player is toast

[sharp lake]

masked spawning outside would be rough but, at least for me, that was the whole appeal of visiting. it sounds like a fun and unique hazard you don't see present on the other moons

shotguns instakill masked and it's pretty easy to shovel them as long as you aren't getting teamed. and usually, if you are getting teamed, it's because someone on your team converted or wasn't helping you deal with interior spawns

both feel like fair punishments i think

[raven pike]

I feel like the route to flavor for moons is having more unique-feeling spawn tables for monsters fitting their theme, so e.g. a high percentage of masked spawning inside covers the theme of the moon fine

masked appearing outside directly makes it very difficult bordering on impossible to leave someone in the ship

[sharp lake]

just my two cents anyway. love the visual design and i think the concept is cool, but in execution it does feel a little off, to me

there's a lot of chokepoints on the way to where the ship is parked and provided the masks aren't spawning in super huge amounts i think it would be manageable

im not sure how easy it is to make dogs spawn in high density and masked spawn in low density outside

i havent educated myself on the specifics of the spawn mechanics

[raven pike]

how frequently do you think the player on the terminal is going to have to check the exterior if masked can spawn at random out in the surroundings while the rest of the team is inside, especially earlier in the day?

[sharp lake]

but the dogs were mostly just roadblocks at the entrances for us, didn't really approach the ship or do much else

we had them patrolling the bridge which felt pretty cool

[raven pike]

generally speaking masked only start exiting a dungeon when they're done messing with the players in there, have already converted them, or have a wide open path to head there without players getting in their way

[sharp lake]

masked make audible footsteps at a pretty considerable distance, and you have ship doors, probably armed yourself with shovel, etc.

you'll also have a radar on yourself you can switch to

and you can even leave a radar booster out near the path to the ship if you want to be extra safe

[raven pike]

I just think it's liable to make it unplayable for a lot of people if you hike up masked outside out of nowhere, I don't think there should be an expectation that most groups are going to have a shotgun on hand and it's a big ask to juggle providing meaningful monitor support and also continually go play with the door and hope to spot masked spawns to try to shovel them if they're turning up.

[sharp lake]

idk. that's totally fair

in its current state i just dont feel like it lives up to the theme it's presenting, and the exterior feels far too safe

[raven pike]

I think it may be a case of whether or not you're balancing the difficulty around players with a high degree of LC 'mastery' or savvy

[sharp lake]

the description makes it sound like "harder rend but for less routing money"

with lots of masked

[raven pike]

all I know is I take groups of 8 casual players + 1 monitor player to this moon and fairly often have half the team wind up masked

[sharp lake]

and at least on our run it felt leagues easier than rend and just kind of boring

we played in a group of 4

3 inside and i was on terminal

only met 2 masked across all 3 days

it's possible luck just dealt us two very different hands

[raven pike]

Were you on dungeon interior those days?

because masked have a really hard time with the dungeon interior currently

they get stuck frequently

[sharp lake]

yeah, by the sounds of things that probably contributed a lot

[raven pike]

combined with how big the dungeon interior layout can be there's a fair chance that a number of masked spawned and were stuck in wings you didn't reach

[fading lagoon]

Okay i got it so dogs spawn at 10:30 to 11

[sharp lake]

as an aside i also dont think eclipses are working properly

the first weather variable for eclipses sets the minimum amount of monsters that spawn when there is an eclipse

i think every single modded moon i've seen has min spawns set to 1

equivalent to experimentation, assurance, and vow

atlas abyss actually has min spawns of 0 it seems, meaning monsters dont spawn at the start of the day during eclipses like the other moons

for comparison, march has 2 minimum spawns during eclipse, rend and titan have 3, and dine and offense have 4

1 or 2 would probably be fair for AA considering masked are in the outdoor spawn pool

[fading lagoon]

True I forgot to set it to something woops

[sharp lake]

having the possibility of landing into 3 masked sounds like a nightmare

LOL

anyways

all my feedback is based on a single 3-day visit and also used the dungeon interiors, which sounds like it could have contributed negatively to monster pathing

i do look forward to revisiting it and i'll be keeping an eye out on future progress

this is a really cool level, overall. very unique flavor you don't get from any other moon

[fading lagoon]

Ill work on outside spawns and fix the eclipse should be updated later today

[green phoenix]

What exactly is the weighting for the giant spawn? We saw one 2/3 days on the moon 😅

Ah just noticed it was 5, yeah I'm not sure how they even work on this moon without a mod like motionsense

Unless there were things to hide behind because you really have an open cliffwalk, 2 open large areas and the bridge

[sharp lake]

a 5/(60+30+5) = ~5.26% spawn chance is kind of alarmingly high

for a planet with almost 0 cover

[raven pike]

Giants are a rough fit for this exterior in general, like they can just park in front of either exit and you're screwed

[fading lagoon]

I could just remove giants from spawning

Make A giant theme map instead

[raven pike]

that could be rad -- spelunking your way up strange giant-proportioned structures

jack and the beanstalk hiding out behind weird giant alien furnishings trying to avoid detection

[sharp lake]

i think masked + dogs alone is an interesting combo, especially with the terrain setup

giants feel like they'd be kinda uncounterable

somehow worse than offense giants - there's basically no cover from giants on offense, but at least there's open space and an upper route

[fading lagoon]

Yeah fair points ill remove them

[real crow]

Dogs I find is completely fine too, especially since they can also outright kill some of the masked that spawn

Giants however are such an extreme pain with the lack of cover to avoid line of sight, and problem is cover in a map like this I think would just clutter the map moreso than add to the atmosphere/scenes of the map

[green phoenix]

Also remember that Zeekers will be adding monsters in the coming updates, you'll have more to work with soon

[forest summit]

I hope any future outside monsters have more counterplay because trekking through Vow with a gold bar or something is awful when theres giants out 😭

[knotty palm]

zingar says he'll remove giants

[real crow]

I presume Lasso Man is possibly the next to slide into the game unless a new thing immediately gets yeeted all at once into v50+

[forest summit]

ah no i meant any future monsters that Zeekers adds to the game

[sharp lake]

supposedly v50 has "lots of new creatures" and additional interior variety coming

i do hope lasso man gets polished up and implemented, it's a cool design

[knotty palm]

oh!!! thats so awesome!

do we know when its releasing or not yet?

[sharp lake]

not really

[forest summit]

will probs be a while since Zeekers is an independent dev

[sharp lake]

zeekerss has been taking a break from working on lethal company and has said it will probably take longer than v45 did

kind of a discussion for another channel, anyway

[real crow]

Dogs & Masked for the outside I think is enough as-is

[forest summit]

agreed

[real crow]

Genuinely is interesting when outside either gets something new or an indoor enemy appears outside

Only problem is indoor enemies occasionally have their AI react strangely when it comes to outside NavMesh for some reason, Masked doesn't quite have that problem since it was designed to also traverse outside

This problem can be seen most notably on Wesley's moons (Infernis and Etern)

[raven pike]

It seems Spore Lizards lose their mind trying to navigate outside seeking hiding places

[real crow]

Yeah I heard about that from the Acidir thread, I'm thinking what's happening is they're trying to find a new "room" than the one they're in to hide in

However in the room sense, outside is just 1 big room so it'll just constantly run and spam at console to try to find a new room but fail to do so since there's no other rooms it can find

[raven pike]

poor things, agoraphobic

[real crow]

The room check thing is probably why the FPS tanks so heavily when it's running away outside

[faint tangle]

should there be a space in the config name when using this map with Scoopy's interior?

I'm just completely stuck on the "Random Seed"

[frigid agate]

that's what I have and yeah it works, I get Scoopy's dungeong 99.9% of the time now

@faint tangle here's my Scoopy's config

[faint tangle]

When using a space I get stuck on the Random Seed after landing the ship, it never actually starts

i removed the space and it works fine

[cyan drift]

hm

every copy of lethal company is personalized!!!!

[faint tangle]

I tried multiple times with the space just in case something went wrong but, no avail

first time without it worked just fine and the interior worked as well

[cyan drift]

mine also has a space and works fine tho

[faint tangle]

could just be a modpack thing

my custom one has 70 mods so

[cyan drift]

I have 115

[faint tangle]

is that with APIs and Libraries?

i didnt count those

[frigid agate]

my load order with APIs+Libraries+Sound/ Video mods is 117

lots of custom moons and gameplay stuff

[cyan drift]

yea

lemme count without

should be easy since i put them at top

[faint tangle]

they tend to inflate numbers a bit

[cyan drift]

99

[faint tangle]

nice

[frigid agate]

I'd estimate even with all libraries and APIs removed I'd have around 90 something mods too yeah

I don't think it really matters though since if you're getting stuck on dungeon gen that miiight be a mod conflict somwhere

[cyan drift]

anyways atlas abyss just got updated like 6 mins ago

I wonder what the update was

[frigid agate]

I would honestly say try running just Atlas+Scoopy's to see if they're playing nice, if they are then re add mods in

[frigid agate]

more masked enemies, my favorite

[fading lagoon]

I think LLL will find it even if its just Atlas

[fading lagoon]

damn beat me to it

Anyway If anyone needs help porting to LLL I can try and help

[fading lagoon]

do you have lethal expansion core?

[faint tangle]

yeah

[fading lagoon]

can you send the mod list code

[celest viper]

Normally I hate maps with lots of Masked, but AA is my exception, it's super thematic for it

Legitimately map designed around em

[fading lagoon]

This has changed to 50/50 dog or masked

I have 3 more moon ideas but Im also in the process of helping people with LLL

[fading lagoon]

just hit them with a shovel :) unless you are my friends that just hit me with the shovel

[forest summit]

ooh exciting! I think you've done fantastic work with Secret Labs and AA so far

[celest viper]

Yeah, moreso that having a lot of them is really punishing if you fuck up the shovel for even a millisecond and are alone

[fading lagoon]

Yeah in my opinion I hate enemies that cant be killed so I tried not to put any of them in the map

[celest viper]

Valid. Normally I prefer dealing with dogs or baboon hawks, with giants kinda being a "meh" for me but fine if they fit thematically

And if the map adds a good amount of cover to balance them

But Atlas Abyss is a map with a TON of theming specifically towards Masked, so I give it a pass

[fading lagoon]

I thought 5% chance would be like a nice rare annoying thing but it seemed to happen alot

[real crow]

And when it did happen, they sucked real hard to counter :|

[celest viper]

Yeah, Atlas Abyss doesn't work well for Giants

Too many long straightaways with no alternative paths

Dogs are already rough on the bridge

[fading lagoon]

I have an idea with giants and the bridges like on vow

the ones that break I think it would be funny being chanced by giants with a limited about of bridges

[fading lagoon]

I thought it would be fine at first since you have 2 entrances but it just denies crossing the bridge

[celest viper]

And if a giant sees you from the bridge, the other entrance is a straight shot across

Their vision was nerfed but its still long enough to screw you over

Combine that with a single dog and your counterplay is ruined

[fading lagoon]

Yeah thats very true its more skill based now instead of luck based

[calm agate]

plz

[fading lagoon]

Its already updated to that but i removed giants

[celest viper]

Yeah, dog + Masked still sucks ass but lets you decide if you think you can get away from the dog before the Masked arrives, or kill the Masked away from the dog before it wanders over and hears the commotion

Zingar, I beg you, please don't make this map too hard and too late-game, I'm tired of every moon being a post-Titan moon, we have so many of those on the market already

I love Atlas Abyss being harder than Offense and March but around Rend level and easier than Dine/Titan imo

[vague tangle]

Offense is harder than rend and dine btw

[tacit prism]

real

[green phoenix]

I love offense

I will beat up thumpers

[tacit prism]

42 coil heads

8000 sentry turrets

68000 mines

[fading lagoon]

thats still too easy

[green phoenix]

Enhanced Lockpicker, Kill it with shovel and Throwable everything

[tacit prism]

i do hope more moon makers end up making some more early game moons to spice things up :)

[fading lagoon]

its not harder its at the point it was meant to be at

[green phoenix]

Baby jail

[tacit prism]

i get why people tend to make the harder ones since that's the ones you'll be playing most of end game tho

[celest viper]

Offense is definitely shockingly rough

Maybe, but I prefer a more casual playstyle and like having easier moons to go to

[tacit prism]

also inaccessible fire exit with out pipe jumping from the ship or extendo ladder

[green phoenix]

Jetpack time

[celest viper]

Rocket boots time

[tacit prism]

oh right and jet pack

[green phoenix]

I mean if you use the fire exit with an extension ladder you can just drop items onto your ship without needing to touch the ground

I've played a copius amount of Offense, it's by far my most played moon solo

[celest viper]

Offense is good loot, but it is shockingly hard

So many turrets

[fading lagoon]

mr speed run man is the jetpack thing fixed

[green phoenix]

See that's why I love kill it with shovel, allows player counterplay to terrible turret spawns

[green phoenix]

Absolute legend, i'll jetpack joyride some more 🫡

[knotty palm]

does that let you kill everything with a shovel?

[green phoenix]

It lets you disable turrets with the shovel

For a configurable amount of time

2.5 hours is fine for me

[knotty palm]

What about making the zap gun do that instead?

That would just work better imo

I don't think shovels need more use as many players already always take one in with them

[green phoenix]

Honestly the poor zap gun needs more love, but it's soo damn buggy and has been since the start of EA

It's tracking still prioritises players over creatures, but i'd love it to have that sort of use

[green phoenix]

Oh wait I totally misread that, half 1 in the morning here, I'll give it a try tomorrow after work and let you know

[fading lagoon]

Alright thank you

[vital panther]

I will have to give this one a try with my interior mod

[celest viper]

Zap Gun breaking turrets would be killer

[calm agate]

nice

[torpid lark]

why doesnt skoopy's variety mod work

with this

[frigid agate]

it does last I checked

[torpid lark]

maybe my config is off

whats the level called

i put in "Atlas Abyss"

[fading lagoon]

can you send screen shot of config?

[humble kestrel]

You need a rarity value after the moon name

[fading lagoon]

put 99999 at the end of Atlas Abyss

[torpid lark]

spacebar?

[fading lagoon]

So "Atlas Abyss99999"

[torpid lark]

ok

this is perfect with scoopys

i wish i could config the monster spawns and scrap amount though

i want to tweak this to be the hardest one in the game

[fading lagoon]

I think there are mods that increase spawns and scrap already

[torpid lark]

of specific moons?

[fading lagoon]

not of specific but overall

[torpid lark]

i need specific

[fading lagoon]

could post that in mod ideas

[torpid lark]

@fading lagoon

[fading lagoon]

yes?

[torpid lark]

wait hold on

it didnt update

lethal config

it wasnt scoopy

[charred python]

Is this mod compatible with MaskedEnemyOverhaul's making the Masked spawn on all moons at bracken rates? Specifically, will that reduce the spawns here?

[celest viper]

More than likely yes, you can disable MEO's spawn handling in the most recent patch

Which I recommend for modded maps to not have their weights altered

[green phoenix]

@fading lagoon Too fast for the time 🏃‍♂️

Also audio desync cause I didn't convert file to .dif, thanks vegas

[green phoenix]

Honestly same here, I'd love just more inbetween moons around the same as March/Offense, Taigon and More Moons are the ones I'm most excited for

[odd tiger]

I don't think it's just a time thing. Tested the moon for the first time last night and got the same clock issue, but I took way longer

[green phoenix]

I don't go to the main entrance much, does this only occur with the fire exit?

[odd tiger]

I did go in fire exit first actually, I'll test again in a bit

But even if that's the case the clock should spawn in before I enter, unless they swapped afterwards and I didn't notice

[green phoenix]

I'll do a couple tests on my test save and see

[odd tiger]

It is the act of entering the dungeon in any capacity that breaks time. It does work fine prior.

[green phoenix]

Yeah I done a couple tests as well, entering in regardless does this, doesn't matter if it's main, FE or inverse teleporter

[fading lagoon]

Ill look into it again

[vague tangle]

whats the issue going on?

[green phoenix]

Inside the dungeon is treated as outside, you get outside ambience, echo effects and the timer applied

Vice versa when you leave the dungeon

[vague tangle]

yeah thats audioreverbtrigger fuckups

uhh

heard

[green phoenix]

Also material footsteps, everything outside sounds like a hardwood floor

Unrelated to the dungeon but thought i'd like to mention it, the ambient wind tunnel sound in the cave is great

Does fog play nice with this moon?

[fading lagoon]

I can turn fog on but you will fall off the map most the time

[gentle cargo]

Ok I love that the new update has a lot more masked but I think it could be a bit less because it can get a bit out of hand because they can transorm into more and they can leave the building so it is soon apocalypse of masked
maybe just a little less inside because as long as only one spawns outside it is totally manageable

[green phoenix]

A small price to pay

I'm not sure if a light ambient fog can be applied or if it is just the weather effect, i'd like it in the pool

[fading lagoon]

Can do both

[charred kraken]

Skill Issue

[west drift]

Tbh

[faint tangle]

I had the same issue as last night, where we got stuck on the "Random Seed" and never ended up loading into the map.

Zingar do you still want my modpack to test, I didnt even notice you asked last night

[faint tangle]

actually seems likeits not just your map, just happened on another one too, so nvm

[celest viper]

DustClouds would be a good weather for Atlas tbh

[charred kraken]

I agree, need that Ambiance

[austere jungle]

Huh so the moon's price is 0 despite it saying 300 in terminal . I didn't change anything in the mod's config nor did I add it in AdvancedCompany's moon price tweaking

[supple panther]

dunno if anything can be done to fix on your guys' end but all custom moons are broken with lethal quantities rn

LLL is fine on its own and with custom interiors and lethal quantities will work but not with any new moons

quoting bananapuncher from github "Yes, they do something with the EnemyTypes that I need to investigate. They seem to be invalidating some EnemyTypes for some reason."

[vague tangle]

Who’s the dev

[supple panther]

i dunno his discord

https://github.com/BananaPuncher714/LethalQuantities/issues/31

[vague tangle]

@supple panther I’ll message them tomorrow but I think their doing gross stuff in their code unfortunately

Some of their patches are set to Priority.First which means all their stuff happens before all the Lll stuff

[analog shuttle]

whats the internal name for this moon ?

@green phoenix

[forest summit]

Try using the moon name listed in terminal before asking for "internal names," but if youre using this for a config it can be listed as "Atlas Abyss"

[analog shuttle]

yes i am using it for config

gonna make the scoopies castle dungeon interior

[forest summit]

you can set the config for that like this

99999 is if you want is basically guaranteed

[analog shuttle]

ok i didnt know that thanks

but shouldnt i just make the garaunteed spawn true ?

and it will be garaunteed anyway

[raven pike]

if you don't want varying chances on other moons yes

you'll want to leave it false if you go like Atlas Abyss99999,Aquatis300 etc.

[forest summit]

^

[analog shuttle]

oh ok

and if i do that it will only spawn on them moons garaunteed ?

do i make the castleDungeonMoons = all ?

@raven pike

@forest summit

[raven pike]

list

[analog shuttle]

oh ight

[raven pike]

If you want specific moons make it list, then list those moons separated by commas

[analog shuttle]

oh ye ye

[raven pike]

If you want some moons to not always be dungeon you give them a value of 300 or similar, if you want a moon to be guaranteed 99999 effectively does that

[analog shuttle]

how do i ss

[raven pike]

The way LC decides on the interior is by putting 'tickets' into a pool essentially, and by default the base game facility interior is 300

[analog shuttle]

i wanna see if ive done it right

[forest summit]

snipping tool