Lethal Escape 0.8.5

[granite cosmos]

Yeah I plan to allow them to go back inside

and for outside creatures to go inside

[olive zenith]

DAMN

[exotic rose]

Will there be a option to disable this? Ion wanna get butchered by eyeless dogs 😭

[granite cosmos]

Yeah

Will be disabled by default

and if possible allow the forest guardian inside but scaled down

same with the worm

lol

I'm just imagining a baby forest guardian carrying a person

[bitter apex]

cant enemys go outside during an event?

[exotic rose]

I feel like it becomes too immersion breaking at some point

Pretty much all the huge enemies would look odd inside and the worm would straight up be frustrating imo

[bitter apex]

i wanna know if a baboon hawk can go inside

[loud tree]

the Huntdown mod has an event that spawns a Mouthdog inside the Facility

[granite cosmos]

Thats why it will be disabled by default

[exotic rose]

Far

Will there be an option for all of them?

Like enable some to go in but others to not

[granite cosmos]

Yeah

Currently every monster has a config to disable their ability to escape

and a config for if they spawn outside

[unique zephyr]

huntdown can spawn an eyeless dog inside already, so maybe you can look at that

[dry hazel]

Is there a way to make Lethal Escape only work on some maps? Would like to have it only happen on harder maps and some modded ones

[full tiger]

im sorry what are you cooking????

[granite cosmos]

I could work on that

[granite cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-grazy-tookyt-gif-6006319902142874206

[full tiger]

nooooooo

[granite cosmos]

and then

[full tiger]

my days of luring coilheads and brackens outside to make the inside safe are OVER

[granite cosmos]

when you least expect it

you hear a rumble below your feet

and get eaten

[full tiger]

you-

you wouldnt be suggesting

inside worms

right

thats a wild and wacky idea

[granite cosmos]

[full tiger]

sigh

I respect you in the highest form of evil

[unique zephyr]

you shouldn't downscale worms inside at all

anyways, once again suggesting an escape delay and for enemies to spawn at the correct spot (actually at the door)

[dry hazel]

[granite cosmos]

wh-

who was the person that downloaded Version 0.8.4

when 0.8.5 is out...

Version 0.8.4 doesnt even have a dll

I just saw the number of downloads for it go up

[full tiger]

The one and only

[unique zephyr]

not really related to lethal escape, but i noticed you can configure spider web count in the config, would be interesting if there was something to do that but for the spider inside

[olive zenith]

btw, how does random escaping work? do the enemies need to be close to exit for that?

[timber rune]

When they are chasing you and they have to be close to an exit

[olive zenith]

nah, im talking abt them just coming out by themselves

thats a thing

like this

[granite cosmos]

Every minute they have a chance to pop outside

[olive zenith]

so unrelated to anything else

[granite cosmos]

they also have a chance to spawn outside when they spawn

[olive zenith]

ohhhhhh

[brave fox]

is there a way to config it, so only certain monsters can escape

[timber rune]

spawn chance to spawn outside

[timber rune]

yes

if you have r2modman you can go to the configs of lethal escape

[bitter apex]

what the hell is that monster

i need it

[brave fox]

cant find it

[olive zenith]

#1183231190833049652

[bitter apex]

ok

[unique zephyr]

the demon

[granite cosmos]

You can also go to the game files and open up bepinex->config->xCeezy.LethalEscape

[strong phoenix]

is there a mod that makes hoarding bugs not act like a hive mind. because when you stole one item from one hoarding bug in the facility apparently every hoarding bug on the moon will go after you for the rest of the run

[fluid frost]

@granite cosmos I was trying to debug an issue with my mod and I stumbled onto your code, would you consider caching the Outside AI nodes and EntranceTeleport instead of looking for them every time an enemy goes outside, this could help relieve lag on lower end machines

[granite cosmos]

I could but

its only when they escape

so it shouldnt cause much lag

the game does this when it spawns an enemy

[fluid frost]

also most enemies AIs work alright after setting the isOutside=true and setting the ai nodes

[granite cosmos]

Yeah

some AIs though

like the blob, spider, and jester need more assistances

[fluid frost]

the jester can be solved with a transpiler, without doing a prefix, if you want I could send you the code

[granite cosmos]

Its possible to change the one line of code?

[fluid frost]

yeah, just one value change from false to true does it

[granite cosmos]

The one where it checks if people are only inside

[fluid frost]

yeah, it looks for if at least one player is inside otherwise it resets

just set the found to true and you solve it

        [HarmonyPatch(nameof(JesterAI.Update)), HarmonyTranspiler]
        private static IEnumerable<CodeInstruction> Transpiler(IEnumerable<CodeInstruction> instructions)
        {
            var codes = new List<CodeInstruction>(instructions);

            for (int i = 0; i < codes.Count; i++)
            {
                if (codes[i].opcode == OpCodes.Stloc_1)
                {
                    codes[i - 1].opcode = OpCodes.Nop;
                    codes.Insert(i, new CodeInstruction(OpCodes.Ldc_I4_1));
                    break;
                }
            }

            return codes.AsEnumerable();
        }

here's the code I'm using, feel free to replace the prefix

but please consider caching the Find result of the ai nodes and exit locations

I'm playing on a lower end laptop

and Find does have a negative effect

[granite cosmos]

alright I can cache them

[fluid frost]

you could just add a postfix on the ship landing to cache them on a level basis

or level load

[granite cosmos]

Yeah thats what I was gonna do

[fluid frost]

thanks

[granite cosmos]

Do you know how I would patch a code on start to the coil head?

or something similar to that

because the coil head does not use the start function

[fluid frost]

not possible afaik

[granite cosmos]

Guess I would have to patch enemy AI then

[fluid frost]

what kind of change are you trying to make?

because you might just be able to do it once then just put an empty monobehaviour or something on him to mark that the change was made

[granite cosmos]

Just calculate a chance for it to spawn outside

and then send it outside

[fluid frost]

are you doing that right now by patching the start function of EnemyAI?

because I might've found the bug that breaks my mod

[granite cosmos]

I currently patch all the AIs individually

and then it checks the configs value and a random value 1 to 100

and it calls send ai outside

[fluid frost]

ok, so my mod has events that already spawn inside enemies outside

so what happens is that I spawn them outside, and your mod sometimes decide to send them outside

I don't know what that would do

[granite cosmos]

Yeah every minute if the AI is inside it will do a chance to send them outside

but that one has a check to see if its already outside

but the start ones do not

[fluid frost]

are you checking if they're inside by the isOutside variable?

[granite cosmos]

Yeah

but

[olive zenith]

nonono that wasnt the issue

[granite cosmos]

The start function doesnt check

[olive zenith]

if you're referring to that

bug swarm

[fluid frost]

if the start function doesn't check it might cause some issues

[granite cosmos]

I can add a check to it

in the function it self

[fluid frost]

you might be willing to patch the start function of EnemyAI to add a monobehaviour to them that waits 5 seconds then randomly sends them outside instead? and after that destroys itself?

I can write the code if you think it'll be too much trouble

[granite cosmos]

Yeah that would be better

I'm still abit new to unity modding

[fluid frost]

it might fix some future compatibility issues as well

[granite cosmos]

Tried to make a timed function and it never worked

[fluid frost]

yeah I'm on the same boat, just learning as I go

it has to be a coroutine otherwise you'll just freeze the game

[granite cosmos]

Yeah it was a coroutine

[fluid frost]

or you need to add a timer which is hard to do if you only use the start method

[granite cosmos]

but I don't think patches ccan call them

or I was doing something wrong

[fluid frost]

they have to be run from monobehaviours so if you have the __instance variable injected it should work

do you want to write it, or should I?

[granite cosmos]

I could write it

It doesnt seem to different than the thing I use for timers now that I look at it

[fluid frost]

great, just ping me after you update, so I could check if it fixes things

again, thanks a lot

[granite cosmos]

no problem

[grizzled willow]

when update

cause mods broken v49

[sudden dirge]

is there any update for v49 atm?

[strong phoenix]

how exactly is the chance in this mod measured?

[strong phoenix]

for me this mod works for the latest version

[sudden dirge]

for me it loads but there is no mobs outside the map

[strong phoenix]

is your config logical?
did you mess around in there and tested?
maybe theres another monster mod you have running and theres a conflict

[sudden dirge]

ill see

[strong phoenix]

this is my config:

[unique zephyr]

it works perfectly fine for me on v49

[granite cosmos]

What other mods do you have?

[granite cosmos]

1-100

so 5 would be a 5% chance
theres 2 random chances 1 for spawning outside and one that happens every minute

[grizzled willow]

nah that problem from LC v49. totaly v49 so many broken EnemyAI

u mod work fine

[granite cosmos]

Oh like

its an issue base game with no mods?

[granite cosmos]

nvm

Works fine though

Even works with Lethal control

in a slightly jank way

[grizzled willow]

yap that problem game. not from u mods 🙂

[grizzled willow]

hey, add the config for max enemy like bracken only 1 can outside.
because kinda useless the Diversity Mod if bracken all outside.

[dry hazel]

Any progress on adding a map-specific config to this mod? I'd love to see some monsters escape on certain maps but have others be safer

Especially modded maps like SCP Secret Labs

[strong phoenix]

how is the spawn rate measured? whats the reference? i set nutcrackers spawn outside to 100 to test and i tested it on offense. i saw only one nutcracker outside and he despawned after like 1 min apparently

[unique zephyr]

it's a chance for them to get teleported outside when they spawn. enemies can't despawn, i presume they just went to an obscure corner of the map

[strong phoenix]

oh okay so that would be based off of what i set as a spawn rate for the nutcrackers in lethalutilities for this specific map

[unique zephyr]

yes

[strong phoenix]

and also its the exact same monster? so the one inside is outside then.

because first i thought a new one spawns

[unique zephyr]

yeah

[unique zephyr]

cryptid photo from a friend

also, idea for fixing nutcracker, maybe check if the person being chased uses an exit door then run the code to spawn it outside if they do?

[granite cosmos]

I think target is only set on the client being chased

or wait

they don't even use the .target

they just use who ever is calculating the AI as the target

[unique zephyr]

well then, check if the person calculating the ai interacts with an exit door?

[granite cosmos]

Why didnt I think of that

I can check the person with AI ownership

[unique zephyr]

enemies get stuck on dine

they exit and get stuck in the little platform

or atleast the jester does

[unique zephyr]

fourth time suggesting for a delay for enemies escaping and them escaping at the door instead of a random spot

[granite cosmos]

The reason they don't escape directly on the door is because the AI nodes on that map are too far away

[unique zephyr]

masked are perfectly capable of exiting through the door at the correct spot though

[granite cosmos]

They use different AI

but the AI nodes are more of a detection

To see where the AI is normally meant to be at

Like in offense they have zero AI nodes in the upper part

and the AI can't go in between these areas

despite being able to climb the ladder

[unique zephyr]

i thought the enemies used a navmesh, and the outside ai nodes were just spawnpoints for outside enemies

[sly forge]

Cant have em spawn on the door. entities like the CoilHead will block player colision and occasionally force the player coming out of the dungeon OutOfBounds (Happened to my crew)

[granite cosmos]

they do use a navmesh

the nodes are mainly used for certain AI stuff like loot spots or "favorite spot"

but the creator also only puts the AI nodes in spots the AI can normally go to

which is why I use them

like on offense

or a couple other maps

but I could add a list of maps that override this change

in this update when I get time for it

[unique zephyr]

well, that's what a delay would be for

[unique zephyr]

alright 👍

[strong phoenix]

Do the enemy spawn outside (not escape) weights allign with the vanilla outside spawns? Do they go in the same weight pool with the outside monsters? Are they additional charts in the pie chart?

[unique zephyr]

it's just a chance for the enemy to teleport outside when it would normally spawn inside

[strong phoenix]

ouh yea right. i forgot

so if i set the weights like this, 43% of the time the puffer spawns inside, it would get teleported outside?

[unique zephyr]

it isn't any sort of weight. it's just a raw chance. if you set the bracken spawn outside chance to 10, then it'd have a 10% chance to spawn outside.

[strong phoenix]

oh its a percentage. okay

And the escape chance? Also percentage? Or is it weight?

whats the difference to the spawn outside chance? the requirement for them to be at a door?

[unique zephyr]

also percentage

[unique zephyr]

it rolls the chance every minute, not just when it spawns

[strong phoenix]

does the escaped enemy/outside spawn count as inside spawn intially? so if max 10 bugs can spawn in the round and 5 escaped then inside 5 more can spawn?

[unique zephyr]

not sure about that, but probably yes

[unique zephyr]

would still like a delay for enemies exiting, coilheads are a death sentence because they spawn on top of you when you leave

[strong phoenix]

Yesterday I played with my friends and my friend was watching a coilhead so I can go past it explore. There was nothing between him and the coilhead that could have counted as cover but the coilhead just went after me even though my friend was watching it. I think its lethalescape causing this. it took place on the more interiors mod bunker map but i dont think its the map's fault.
Also sometime the bracken just sprinted towards me from down the hallway even though i looked his way (i didnt look before and long enough for it to have a reason to be aggro). He kept sprinting until he was there and just killed me.

[grizzled willow]

Is this what happens to the coil head when it is outside or inside?
It's a bit strange outside because sometimes the moon isn't visible on the wall ( i mean like Invisibled Wall that why coil head Strange and only Stand ). but inside it is normal

because bracken are like that (normal and lore, don't watch him for too long, if you do aggro he will chase you and if you don't pay attention to ferns he will sneak up on you)

[strong phoenix]

all happened when inside

[solar nimbus]

uhhhh

1. Nutcracker escape is off in config
2. why are they all just chilling in the hoarding bug pile

@granite cosmos

[mild belfry]

I don't know If anyone else has had this problem but I've had problems with Hygroderes where when they escape their hitboxes aren't where they're supposed to be. I'll die to seemingly nothing meanwhile the actual slime is a good 30 feet away visually

[granite cosmos]

did you set spawn outside chance to 0

[granite cosmos]

If the monsters are inside my mod doesnt change their AI

[granite cosmos]

Its an experimental config which is off by default

[granite cosmos]

to why they are all chilling in that corner I'm not too sure

[solar nimbus]

Yes

I deleted my config, let it be generated again, set all the escape chances to false other than the hoarding bug, set all the spawn chances to 0 other than spider, and even set the hoarding bug nesting nest ship to 0 and all enemies still just kinda chill there, as far as I saw it may have just been the nutcracker that is ignoring the escape thing, I do not know why they all use the outside hoarding bug logic(?)

[solar nimbus]

I assume it’s something like that since afaik that’s the hard coded “hoarding bug at ship” spot right?

Somewhere between v47 and v49 broke it since that’s when I first noticed how hoarding bugs move an inch at a time outside

[solar nimbus]

yeah yeah ceezy can you try to fix it?

[granite cosmos]

not sure whats causing it

NutCrackerSpawnOutsideChance works for me

[granite cosmos]

all the code does is set the hoarding bugs nest pos to the closest node to the ship

only for the hoarding bug

[solar nimbus]

I feel its affect all of their navs

[sly forge]

Hey! I was wondering if you could add Landmines to the spawnrate for outdoors? Seems like they could come in for pretty funny actions ontop of the normal enemy spawns

[tough moth]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-team-fortress2-engineer-engineer-tf2-eltorro64rus-gif-24514057

[unique zephyr]

my most memorable experience with this mod is on experimentation with weather, it can be summed up in four words
"BRACKEN IN THE FOG"

[solar nimbus]

Ceezy are you looking into the issue? Are there any known incompatibilities?

Are spiders supposed to wander to the ship and just sit outside?

[void flume]

not sure if its just me but nutcrackers seem to escape instantly i think?
ive had times where we just landed on titan and theres already a nutcracker outside

[granite cosmos]

The default spawn outside chance for nutcracker is quite high

[unique zephyr]

i thought the default chance was only like, 5?

[solar nimbus]

Ceezy what are spiders supposed to do outside?

[sly forge]

leave webs and make you cry

[solar nimbus]

Its leaves 1(one) web and then just sits near the ship and never moves

[sly forge]

Didnt say they were smart

[solar nimbus]

I had 3 nutcrackers outside on titan immediately wow

They still are disabled for escape and have no spawn chance, they just silly like that

[solar nimbus]

omg yeah wtf there were 10 nutcrackers all huddling next to the ship

What's this?
[Warning: BepInEx] Plugin [Lethal Escape 0.8.2] targets a wrong version of BepInEx (5.4.22.0) and might not work until you update

I have 0.8.5 installed

Does this mod change the raycast of the spider webs?

[wise token]

So, when the bracken is outside the game starts lagging a ton after you spot him, is it fixable?

[olive zenith]

have you tried pathfindinglagfix?

or something

gonna send the link in a bit

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Zaggy1024/PathfindingLagFix/

[wise token]

not yet, me and my lads will consider that.
Any idea what it exactly does in the fix?

nvm i see its in the description

hopefully it works with snatchin bracken

[olive zenith]

no idea, im actually goading people into getting it so they can tell me if it fixes that

[olive zenith]

99% sure it does

yeah it does i did a test run with diversity+lagfix+snatchin

how would escape work with snatchin tho?

[wise token]

you mean code wise or in gameplay wise?

[olive zenith]

gameplay wise

where would the bracken go

[wise token]

so far we haven't gotten killed by him as we just ran away due to the lag

[olive zenith]

he would kill you anyways cause he has an internal timer

but where would he go...

[wise token]

but i'm pretty sure he just would go somewhere random

maybe it works like this

yknow the facility is below the outdoor map?

imagine the cordinates for width and lenght

in the facility it would include height, but perhaps outside of the facility it drags you to the same coordinate, just on another vertical level, atleast thats my theory

tonight i won't be able to tell you anything if it works or not since we won't add it right now, but next session me and my lads have we will put it in and try out.

[olive zenith]

maybe

i'll probably test that

[wise token]

you wanna test it?

cause me and my friend were thinking of testing it on experimentation tomorrow when it would be just the two of us, where he would spawn a bracken outside with control company and let AI take over, to have me die to it outside

[olive zenith]

oh i was gonna get the whole package of diversity, escape and snatchin' and spawn a couple with lethaldevmode

[wise token]

oh actually yeah do that

more questions answered that time

[olive zenith]

i know that diversity works but now i gotta try escape

[granite cosmos]

What map

[granite cosmos]

What mods do you have and are you making sure to save the config?

just tested the mod and ran into no issues

version 49

[granite cosmos]

I Prolly forgot to change the version number in Bepinex variable
error doesnt effect anything

[solar nimbus]

I have quite a few 018d2f1c-26f8-05c5-50c4-5a4a89ce7d7e

[fathom patrol]

game changing

[tough moth]

had a spider follow him out main entrance on Dine and it got teleported stuck inside the slab

[sly forge]

Game creator making hollow floors moment

could potentially fix it spawning the creatures nearby a placed vent object instead of the front doors

probably nearby but far enough not to glitch them in the flooring

[fathom patrol]

This mod loves throwing out a bracken or nutcracker while your standing directly outside a fire exit

[fluid folio]

Tried this on aquatis and a jester was there, waiting, menacingly

I want to add this mod back but with eclipsed shenanigans, it has me like eh....

[fathom patrol]

I disabled jesters being able to go outside cuz I use this mod with More Company alot and the second a jester goes outside he'll kill everything and won't stop until everyone's dead, and he also seems to ignore the ship door being shut

[fluid folio]

V49 update did jack shit to forest giants
They still camp the fuck out of your ship and dogs, well, we all know they're bipolar as hell

Make noise outside
Dogs: I sleep
Make a small noise inside ship or loud horn:
REAL SHIT?

I know loud horn, after 100 hours of vanilla is best with door shut
Otherwise their pathing fucks you

[fluid folio]

Oh right
That was before I was messing with configs on mods
Good idea

[dry hazel]

A. I need a mod that makes the loud horn scare dogs away from the ship
B. I'm still waiting for map specific config before I feel comfortable adding this, between modded maps potentially bugging out and the fear of outdoor Coilheads on March or Vow, I refuse to let it happen on all maps

[topaz pivot]

Does this mod fix any of the bugs related to interior monster pathfinding when outside?

[fathom patrol]

Isn't the main point of the loud horn is that it's able to help lost players to the ship but at the cost of luring blind dogs too?

[fluid folio]

I'm starting to feel like dogs hear you with the doors shut even
They have been guarding the doors even with the doors shut and no sound being made
I grabbed a mod that fixes them not being able to be killed by shotguns
But then giant becomes a problem because without perk mods, you can't outrun it

Sure you can flash it with a stun grenade or radar booster but that only helps you if it is close enough

I have found luck with the flare gun from xyz mod (can't remember which) but it only works when the giants see the flare

Dogs, it's ok

I enjoy eclipsed maps because of all the unspoken strategizing but dogs and giants are really becoming old

[tough moth]

I'm pretty sure enemies hear you in a bubble radius, with no form of occlusion

someone pls correct me if this is wrong

[fluid folio]

Interesting

I was always under the impression that the doors, when shut, kinda acted like a sound barrier

Unless you're in the "outside" areas of inside the ship

[sly forge]

Does your doors perfectly block sound ?

[tough moth]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-scared-panic-open-up-the-door-bang-the-door-gif-14573333

[fathom patrol]

I don't think so

[fluid folio]

Is this rhetorical

[sly forge]

For a real answer, i believe the dogs have a similar radius to what the player can hear

so if you can hear your buddys talking through the ship, the dogs can hear them talking through the ship.

best defence is the doors or climbing on the roof

good luck with a giant/dog combo though

[fluid folio]

In my 200 hours
The giant isn't too bad to kite on top of ship, it's very easy and kinda goofy looking

Dogs though,
They will walk inside like a buffet

But it isn't bad advice necessarily

[fathom patrol]

I'm on 130 hours now, but bc I started hosting every game with lethal escape, brutal+, and More Monsters, I went from intern to boss to intern

[fluid folio]

Lmfao

I'm gonna look into trying savage company(?) With lethal escape

Is more monsters as the name implies?
I read over it once the other day

[fathom patrol]

MoreMonsters is a mod where u can change how often monsters spawn, how many monsters can spawn, and the max amount of a monster that can spawn (for example, u can limit to only 2 thumpers being able to spawn, 0 masks, and 3 hoarding bugs

The max is like 100 monsters but that usualy just crashes ur game

[fluid folio]

Yeah, I use to have brutal company minus but it spawned loot bug mafia and that was enough for me

The lag was too much to deal with a lot of people
Too much micromanaging over people

[fathom patrol]

Usualy my configuration settings is 45 monsters every 0.25 in-game hours, having a max amount of every monster

Very fun

[sly forge]

Loot bugs are horrifying when they follow you outside with RacistHoardingBug mod

[fathom patrol]

Probably the reason I'm back down to intern

[fluid folio]

What does that mod do exactly? I looked over it but it has been like 2 weeks

[sly forge]

Audio overhaul. the mod maker replaced the sounds with his own custom voice lines

[fluid folio]

Hilarious

[fathom patrol]

I think more monsters overrules brutal+ stuff bc if u set maps to only spawn specific monsters, and/or events that only spawn one type of monster, MoreMonsters will just spawn any monster regardless of Burtal+ events.

[fluid folio]

Interesting

[sly forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1173129061749493770/1197095941023465512/Lethal_Company_2024-01-15_02-54-44.mp4?ex=65ba0579&is=65a79079&hm=44216791ad26687c46411f1a46b2f02cb8dd53df5931cb8b54bc86f13c64307d&

[unique zephyr]

"oh coilhead" OH REALLY?

[fluid folio]

The lag

[sly forge]

bad computer

[fluid folio]

What is mod for top hud

I like that

[fathom patrol]

MoreMonsters and LethalEscape go hand-in-hand cuz u might end up with like 3 thumpers outside, along with 2 coilheads, 5 spiders, 7 brackens, 20 masks, 47 hoarding bugs, 100 nutcrackers roaming around,

[sly forge]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1176246831626338418

[fluid folio]

Do you know if its compatible with elads hud?

[sly forge]

However, its a custom edited compass. mod maker suggested doing it myself but dont remember

Honestly, no idea but if you can link it i can probably have someone look into that

[fluid folio]

One sec

Only complaint about this hud is the stamina empties at 10%

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/EladNLG/EladsHUD/

Otherwise has been my pref hud for awhile

[granite cosmos]

Next update I could make the vent noise play before a creature escapes outside

[tough moth]

that would be really cool

does it do the door sound already?

[granite cosmos]

no

[fathom patrol]

This would be very nice. I've had so many brackens appear when I'm standing right outside an exit and die instantly

[fluid folio]

It was hilarious when I did have this mod and someone got snatched right outside the ship and you see the bracken scurrying away

[fathom patrol]

Brackens are very unforgiving. They'll walk up right inside the ship and snatch someone.

[fluid folio]

Hilarious
I've gotten good at killing nutcrackers and anytime bracken spawns, I hunt the bracken

[sly forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/906027761154531351/1198511462755348592/Lethal_Company_2024-01-20_22-15-32.mp4?ex=65bf2bc7&is=65acb6c7&hm=65f4986defc5c9083f1b7127bca3e52f90168d364afdd205f6953c0ff00a55e3&
@fluid folio

[fathom patrol]

I also don't think u can shoot brackets with a shotgun when they enter, either I just missed really bad thoes few times or they're invincible inside the ship

[unique zephyr]

bug report, yet more bracken desync. was playing with a friend when they told me "I can't look at brackens outside or else they'll kill me because I can't see them move." they didn't tell me much else because i didn't note it much at the time

[fluid folio]

The bracken should hide from me
Unless you know, you find 2 people dead to the bracken and your terminal jockey gives you no warning about your neck being misplaced also

[fluid folio]

Fuck

Teaching players the importance of mines

[sly forge]

forgor to pay attention for bracken

[fluid folio]

Bracken, I've come for your pickle

[unique zephyr]

how the hell did you get landmines outside?

[sly forge]

a very poorly made mod that im looking to replace

(Please add mines 🙏 )

[unique zephyr]

like, a private one or?

[fathom patrol]

I've also wanted to try this experiment but I haven't been able to do it yet. I've been messing around with the ControlCompany mod and I wanna see if your a thumper (or something) roaring at someone, and then they go outside, would you be teleported outside a little after too?

[sly forge]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/phawitpp/SuperLandmine/

[unique zephyr]

it kind of works with controlcompany? only the randomly spawning outside seems to work, and you have to let the ai control to update it

[sly forge]

I can not suggest it in good faith because the mines dont always function due to massive desync

[unique zephyr]

this doesn't seem p- oh

desync my beloathed

while you're at it, add turrets outside too

[fluid folio]

Boomba enters your ship

As I said, if you want to replace brutal company, check out savage company, it is supposedly a successor with more customizability
I haven't tried it yet

[fathom patrol]

Would walking outside with the The Surface Is Explosive event be possible with this mod

[sly forge]

I imagine it would break lol

[fluid folio]

For anyone familiar with the boomba though, you can shoot them to kill them

Or if you're brave enough, you may be able to trigger and get back fast enough

[topaz pivot]

Shoot with what?

Zap gun!

[fluid folio]

I imagine that would stun them
The zap gun is a meme to me
I lowered the price of it and I don't even use it

[topaz pivot]

I’m thinking of making a mod that makes it target mines/doors/turrets and temporarily disable them

[fathom patrol]

This one guy who was in my game wasted our cash and bought 3 zap guns making us unable to to titan

He said zap guns are good

[fluid folio]

Hmm interesting

[fluid folio]

Dude

[topaz pivot]

(I especially like the idea of shooting a door with it, lure a coilhead in, and then lock it)

[fluid folio]

This was the night before
I leave company about to go to rend
Notice my money is short
Thought I did my math wrong
One of the noobs in my group, nobody would admit to it, bought a damn peeper for LGU for 500$ and I only found out because I was like, well let's sell more scrap at company and it lands and I'm like

Honestly think peeper is kinda useless for me
One because lootbugs and two, locking coils behind doors, zzz

[topaz pivot]

Peeper overpriced imo, I’ve set it to 400

[fathom patrol]

Idk what peeper or LGU is

[fluid folio]

Late game upgrades
Peeper is a camera stand that watches coils

[topaz pivot]

Late game upgrades, has some slight bugs with newer items but amazing mod

[fluid folio]

A good idea but a gimmick imo

I disabled it entirely because ill never use it

[topaz pivot]

It feels nice to use against coilheads though

[fluid folio]

I run a lot of lobbies and I would laugh at someone who used this mod
But I'm starting to get to the point of getting a mod that limits it to the host who can buy things

[topaz pivot]

Expensive, getting it back is dangerous, half-cancels out a threat…

[fluid folio]

I think* it's lethal utilities, i can lock doors with keys

Makes the keys feel so much more useful

I actually use the lockpicker now because of it

[topaz pivot]

?

[fluid folio]

You know, the item everyone forgets about

[topaz pivot]

To unlock doors you previously locked?

[fluid folio]

No you Goober

To save my keys

[topaz pivot]

OH :P hehehe

[fluid folio]

It helps for maps that don't have the powered doors

I don't think it's OP either because you lose the key

(Unless you change config)

[topaz pivot]

What I did was I made lockpickers able to jam doors with a mod

[fathom patrol]

Can't you lock someone inside a room then

[fluid folio]

You're next

[topaz pivot]

For the funny

[fluid folio]

[fathom patrol]

I've already been locked in rooms 100 times

[topaz pivot]

Wut how lol

[fluid folio]

Oh

[fathom patrol]

The Horros Of The Inverse Teleporter

[topaz pivot]

Inverse?

[topaz pivot]

Book title ^

[fluid folio]

Inverse users be like

[fathom patrol]

When your In a big group of ppl laughing and yelling "GET IN!" to be teleported inside a mansion, hearing no other voices, alone with no lights being on, and hearing monsters

[fluid folio]

But last note on locking doors, locking jesters and coil heads, so satisfying

Silly monsters following me to their doom

They thought they had the upper hand

That is until you lock a coil head and 2 more spawn and you're out of keys

[sly forge]

@fluid folio Doesnt look like anything is wrong yet

[topaz pivot]

Honestly I like this idea, but for me I’ve made lockpickers lock doors instead. Do you think I should switch?

[fluid folio]

Sweet
But is it still stuck in the 1920x1080 as mod desc says?

[fluid folio]

When you have lockpickers do it, is it instant?

[sly forge]

Maybe? i havent noticed because im using the HDLethalCompany

[topaz pivot]

Nope, takes 10 seconds. I kind of like the idea I think

[fathom patrol]

I am the danger

[fluid folio]

I like that idea
What mod does this?
This would be a fantastic addition if anything
Gives you options

[fluid folio]

I'll try it out tomorrow
I appreciate your testing

[topaz pivot]

EnhancedLockpicker I believe? Don’t take my word on the locking doors in 10 seconds though! I’m just assuming that’s how it works

You can set how quickly doors open

[fluid folio]

I can look into testing it

[topaz pivot]

So I think that timer works for locking too

[fluid folio]

I'm listening

[topaz pivot]

(I have it set to 10 secs)

[fluid folio]

30 seconds is a mood killer since I'm the lock picking guy

[topaz pivot]

BAHA Lol :P

[fluid folio]

Let me check it rq

[topaz pivot]

Yeah it does feel a little long sometimes

[fathom patrol]

Does the lockpick have like a actual lock picking puzzle

Like skyrim

I've never used the lockpick ever in my 140 hours of playtime

[fluid folio]

No

But late game upgrades adds a minigame
I've yet to use it

[unique zephyr]

the lockpicking lawyer, even

[fluid folio]

It just takes a daunting 30 seconds of twiddling your thumbs and making small talk with the bracken

[topaz pivot]

Was about to mention LGU minigame yeah

[fluid folio]

(Bracken is shy)

[fluid folio]

This is gold

[fathom patrol]

Bracken is like the best guy to use to troll ppl with ControlCompany
Whenever I see a guy alone, lost and dosnt know where the exit is, I'd just keep showing up and then backing away but then coming back after 10 seconds or so without ever killing the guy

And then leave them alone after a bit

[fluid folio]

It's insane how people get tunnel vision with the bracken

Proceed to stare at him
Then he gets pissed and comes after you, a bystander

[fathom patrol]

Best way to control bracken is to talk to someone as a player but then become bracken and kill urself and drag urself away right in front of a different player right in the middle of saying "We'll stick together, we'll survive this"

[olive zenith]

the vanilla shotgun hitboxes are atrocious

[fluid folio]

It's not too bad if you get close enough

Just don't be a weenie

[olive zenith]

if you get close enough you miss cause the hitbox spawn leaves a gap between you and the shot

[strong phoenix]

how does the escape chance every minute actually work? is it weight? is it its own pool that's being shuffled?

[olive zenith]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Hexi/HexiBetterShotgun/

[tepid anchor]

yes yes yes!!

[wise token]

Any map honestly, last time it happened was on a modded moon "Budapest"
but it also happens on vanilla maps.

[wise token]

So, the lag issue is fixed with using another mod, what happens though is that the bracken is gonna be moving often in a laggy way, and when it comes to kill you, it will stare at you while standing still, and after a few moments you will die and have the bracken teleport on you.

its as if the model lags while trying to follow the AI movement, so the model will be teleporting at intervals like a lagging player

[olive zenith]

okay so snatching bracken works with lethal escape

bracken just goes to his spawn node outside

[topaz pivot]

does bracken work ok outside??

also coilheads?

[wise token]

coilheads work (it may be a bit weird when at the ship due to the railings and how they count as walls.)
bracken kinda works, but i'll be honest, if you use this mod disable the bracken from being able to go outside, the issue i wrote up above is the reason.

[olive zenith]

^

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1182319750710304868/1199401861933961236/e4869440-089f-4cd0-b65b-430baaccee12.mp4?ex=65c26907&is=65aff407&hm=b1075468dc9a2a9463c54861bf72a0d071ea0d66f8ecc2dd65fd9ee1a49d635a&

[grizzled willow]

coilhead weird because finding path rail for move. that why weird ( invisibled wall )
bracken no sync because host only, old version bracken location is sync but no kill everyone

[grizzled willow]

recommended let's Thumper out (because v47-v49 Zeekers nerf Thumper better make him out), Jester, Hording Bugs ( make chance escape 5% for no trigger all hording bugs inside out )

else that let's him inside. for outside add the Rolling Giant ( This is for Coilhead v2 ) and make Anyspawnchance Inside and outside. outside 30% - 45% chance and Inside 18% - 20% chance. and Setting Max Rolling Giant 4 or 5.

[topaz pivot]

If you have pathfindingLagFix does this still happen?

[olive zenith]

yes

the vid is with it enalbed

[unique zephyr]

coilheads can instantly kill you because in some maps they escape on top of you and they have no delay for going outside

[topaz pivot]

if i use another mod to spawn coilheads outside though it should be fine right?

[unique zephyr]

what other mod could you possibly use to spawn coilheads outside

[topaz pivot]

Advanced Company

I can make coilheads spawn outside naturally

I came here to check if they have pathfinding issues

[unique zephyr]

they usually don't

[topaz pivot]

Alr cool!

(But bracken and lizards def do)

[topaz pivot]

what about hoarding bugs, spiders, etc... ?

[unique zephyr]

spiders tend to sit next to the ship and be useless

[topaz pivot]

I think hoarding bugs do the same sometimes

[unique zephyr]

lethal escape specifically has a setting for hoarding bugs to do that

[topaz pivot]

to sit next to the ship and be useless?

:P

how come

[unique zephyr]

to make their nest next to the ship

[topaz pivot]

can they steal from inside the ship?

[unique zephyr]

i don't think so

[vital pike]

what value should i put if i want hoarding bugs to make their nest in the ship 100% of the time?

[unique zephyr]

100

[vital pike]

Yes but it didn't really work, and since I assume theses are weights and not percentages I'm asking

But ig it's still kinda random

[unique zephyr]

they're percentages

[grizzled willow]

pathfindinglagfix only for Fixing the Enemy like only Idle / Stand / Make Game LAG, and they can't attack or aggro
they not fix Bracken Location. this is issue made by Lethal Escape for no Sync Bracken outside

[topaz pivot]

in the video the brackens location was shown to be lagging

[granite cosmos]

thats not lagging

[grizzled willow]

that not lag, just Animations Kill is Weird. because Dev Lethal Escape said, Animation Kill Bracken little weird
and He dont know about No Sync Location Bracken ( i already report this is so long ).

Before This is Mod All Clients Need, Never Happend Bracken outside is no sync always sync but only bracken can kill everybody outside but Other Monster is no sync

[granite cosmos]

thats the bracken not replicating

not sure what causes it

But I had a decent amount of reports for it

[topaz pivot]

what does not replicating mean?

[granite cosmos]

The position of the bracken is not being sent to the client(you) from the server (or who ever is currently calculating the ai at the time)

[unique zephyr]

would it be possible to just, make an alternate fully networked version for fully modded people? if everyone already has lethalescape then why not have it be networked? this would be as an alternate version of course, no point in removing the non-networked version

[granite cosmos]

I need to figure out how the bracken is replicated

[topaz pivot]

I just tested out spawning coilheads outside... looks to me like they do NOT work

which is unfortunate because i wanted to have a bunch of coilheads outside on the SCP custom map :(

[topaz pivot]

party in the corner

there are more

[unique zephyr]

but aside from that though, without worrying about making it so only the host needs it you could maybe make some enemies actually properly function outside instead of sitting in a corner

[granite cosmos]

I don't know why the AI chooses to sit in a corner

it uses the own games AI

[topaz pivot]

yep, not your fault at all :P. Just interesting to note.
Do you know if it does the same thing on all moons?

[wise token]

i was talking about vanilla maps.
i'm pretty sure its not unusual for AI to have some issues on custom maps

when me and a party of friends used this mod and where on assurance, the coilheads worked perfectly and followed people just fine when able to move

[topaz pivot]

Interesting

[fluid folio]

Wanted to ask, I noticed an odd issue when leaving the facility, it seems blobs like to get stuck at the door, albeit very slowly, they will literally camp the door (main for example) and as soon as you go in, they're there

Now it does take a very long time for them to get there

I've only noticed this behavior when they're chasing someone and everyone leaves the facility

Not sure if this mod modifies how they act at all

I do not let them escape the facility or spawn outside

[unique zephyr]

(the own games AI isn't made for being where it's not supposed to)

[topaz pivot]

only tried it on assurance so far?

[wise token]

assurance is the latest example i can remember in detail, only maps i cannot be sure of them working due to me not getting coilheads outside are experimentation, titan and one of the two snowy moons, i don't remember wich one was wich tho due to me being incompetent at recognizing them while playing unless i read the name.

only "issue" they had was just that next to a railing of the ship they might slighly move anyway, but that happens inside the facilities by default at the mansion for example so i'm not really gonna be counting that, as thats a vanilla game detail

one of the snowy maps i mentioned tho can have the coilhead get stuck in the concrete outside of the main entrance, but only happened once so doesn't seem to be costant

[topaz pivot]

probably dine complete guess, just

[wise token]

but at the same time, it was a coilhead variation, (to be exact, the knight coilhead from the scarlet devil mansion inside map)

so i don't know if that has anything to do with it

[topaz pivot]

we can ask

[wise token]

pretty sure its just a remodel, but sure it can be asked

i don't think it has a channel here yet...?

if it does and you find it, i'd appreciate if you could link me it

nvm found

[bitter apex]

does this mod have support for control company?

[grizzled willow]

yes, lethal escape make monster is out. so when you using control company you can make monster from inside going outside

[bitter apex]

but can the monsters go back inside?

[grizzled willow]

nope, dev said next update make monster can back

[bitter apex]

k

[grizzled willow]

but dunno when update

[crude flax]

Does this mod work with modded entities (like rolling giant) If so, is there config for them, and do they stay inside or exit automatically?

[exotic rose]

no

[crude flax]

Ok thanks; would the mods not run (mod pack breaks) or would the modded entities just stay inside?

[exotic rose]

just stay inside

[crude flax]

Thank you, I will try out the mod!

[solar nimbus]

Rolling giant in particular is an exception since that mod itself allows you enable them spawning outside

[timber rune]

you stare at the fog and the fog stares back you stare at the fog and the fog stares back you stare at the fog and the fog stares back you stare at the fog and the fog stares back you stare at the fog and the fog stares back you stare at the fog and the fog stares back you stare at the fog and the fog stares back you stare at the fog and the fog stares back you stare at the fog and the fog stares back you stare at the fog and the fog stares back you stare at the fog and the fog stares back you stare at the fog and the fog stares back you stare at the fog and the fog stares back you stare at the fog and the fog stares back you stare at the fog and the fog stares back you stare at the fog and the fog stares back you stare at the fog and the fog stares back you stare at the fog and the fog stares back you stare at the fog and the fog stares back

[safe eagle]

Came here to post this issue, i just had this happen yesterday lol
It happened the second my friend went outside the door, instantly killing him from behind and leaving me

[fluid folio]

This looks like normal coil head bugginess

I've seen plenty of times they may simply ignore other players

and go after their "target"

[safe eagle]

yeah but TP

i assume its cuz of the mod they teleported outside the second he went

[fluid folio]

I mean, perhaps
Kinda looks like a TP

but that should be changeable with the delay

[dry hazel]

So hey @granite cosmos, what does a modded map need to add to be compatible with this one (or other mods that adjust enemy spawns outside)? Since right now all indoor enemy AIs don't really function at all when outside on Secret Labs.

On Secret Labs they all just kinda huddle in a corner by the ship and don't move

Can't even aggro them or anything

[granite cosmos]

My mod just checks if the AIs target leaves

[granite cosmos]

It should only be that the map has outside ai nodes and a navmesh

That or a recent update broke the AI

Havent tested the mod recently

[dry hazel]

What enemies use outside AI nodes? Perhaps Secret Labs doesn't have the AI nodes properly set up, since the Navmesh (which I assume certain enemies use exclusively, such as Masked) seems to work fine.

[granite cosmos]

Bracken and Hoarding bugs I know for sure

[dry hazel]

Could also be that they are being spawned by AdvancedCompany and not this mod, if that matters at all.

Since I disabled this mod's spawning logic so that I could configure spawns per-moon with AdvancedCompany

[granite cosmos]

In my testing in the past the Brackens would huddle together after they killed someone or lost a target sometimes

they would get un stuck when seen though

they would huddle at the spot farthest from a player

[dry hazel]

Valid. I'll see if I have any other issues on other maps and see if it's a Secret Labs exclusive issue or whatever, cuz at least on Secret Labs enemy AI completely breaks, they just get stuck to the wall and will not fight back or aggro on me no matter what.

[granite cosmos]

like their nest/fav spot

might be that a nav mesh is not set up

like not even the thumper targets you?

[dry hazel]

Nope

[granite cosmos]

what about normal outside creatures

[dry hazel]

He hugged the wall and decided "Yup, done here"

[granite cosmos]

like eyeless dog

[dry hazel]

Normal outside creatures work fine

Which is why my guess is AI nodes

But idk

[granite cosmos]

thumper at the very least should beable to chase the player

[dry hazel]

Not on Secret Labs at least

I'll try bumping them up to a crazy number on a couple other modded maps and see

Even the modded Boomba got stuck in the corner, though interestingly ||Shy Guy (from Scopophobia)|| seemed to work fine

[granite cosmos]

have you tried it on a normal map?

[dry hazel]

Does Lethal Escape modify their AI at all when they "escape", or is it vanilla AIs? Not yet

[granite cosmos]

Its mainly vanilla AIs

except for Jester

which has some slightly modified AI

[dry hazel]

Gotcha. Makes sense

[granite cosmos]

because the game only checks if players are inside and if there are none it reverts to a box

[dry hazel]

Lemme try them on another map, could be another mod breaking them too

[granite cosmos]

so I had to make custom movement speed

although

all the collision code outside is overwritten

I tried my best to make it the exact same but certain values I didnt have access to

because its forcing the collision to be calculated on the server

[dry hazel]

Ahhh, so maybe the collision code is fucky with modded maps?

[granite cosmos]

I mean the attack collision

[dry hazel]

Works somewhat fine on Vow, though the Coilheads pretend I don't exist

The Thumpers chase and attack me tho

[dry hazel]

Yeah overall enemies outside doesn't appear to be working with my mod setup, most moons and most enemies just congregate in a pile and don't do anything unless they see a player, and even then some just ignore

[unique zephyr]

things seem to work better if they escape via lethalescape rather than spawn outside

[unique zephyr]

||shy guy works outside by default||

[snow peak]

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[dry hazel]

Okay, @granite cosmos, outdoor enemy AIs are basically completely borked for me with the following mods:
BepInExPack v5.4.2100
LethalCompany_InputUtils v0.6.2
HookGenPatcher v0.0.5
LethalLib v0.14.2
LCBetterSaves v1.7.3
LethalLevelLoader v1.0.7
SecretLabs v3.3.4
AdvancedCompany v1.0.148
LethalEscape v0.8.5
So either one of these is incompatible (which are all needed for me to test properly on SecretLabs), LethalEscape itself is broken, or my config is affecting more than expected. I do have the configs for LethalEscape set to prevent all entities from "escaping", as well as reducing their spawn chances to 0, since I wanted to allow AdvancedCompany to handle the enemy spawning (as I said, so I can enable it on specific moons). With only these mods, AdvancedCompany successfully spawns the enemies, but they all route to the same spot and stay there. Coilheads and Brackens will never aggro or acknowledge the player, Thumpers will chase if they spot you but can deal zero damage, and the AIs overall behave the same with or without LethalEscape. Any other entities not mentioned weren't tested very much but also seemed to route to that spot and never leave. It happens on Offense and Vow as well, tested vanilla maps to make sure it wasn't the modded map specifically, though it being an issue with LLL is not impossible.

[dry hazel]

Have you had any issues like this with LethalEscape, and if so, do any mods I have stand out as ones you don't?

[granite cosmos]

If they are spawning outside the facility with all lethal escape configs set to zero

I dont think it my mod

because I only change the AI if escaped through my mod

although my mod would modify their attack collision still

[dry hazel]

Ah.. that's unfortunate. So it may just be vanilla AIs not working outside then

Welp, guess I'll have to wait further for per-moon config or some compat patch

[dry hazel]

Yeah, I'm unsure, the Thumpers were completely unable to harm me. They did their attack anims and followed if I stood in front of them, but were completely harmless

Would it be hard to add a config setting that basically says "Always overwrite AI if spawned outside, even by other mods"?

[granite cosmos]

the mod doesnt really overwrite any AI

it just adds in extra code to set the AI nodes and isoutside variable

to be the ones outside

only real AI that has its own kinda code is jester

[dry hazel]

Either way, they'd need to use those AI nodes and variable to function outside I imagine

[granite cosmos]

Yeah

[dry hazel]

And might work properly if those were enabled manually when spawned by other mods, since I imagine the issue right now is they're trying to navigate to the indoor nodes

And failing miserably

[granite cosmos]

Yeah

Normally if the bracken would try to do that

you fps becomes like 5

because the game tries to go to the farthest node away from the player

every tick

if it doesnt have a node to go to

do the brackens cause this issue?

[dry hazel]

Gotcha, I had PathfindingLagFix so they didn't destroy my FPS but I definitely noticed an increase in lag with Brackens outside

I also didn't try Brackens after disabling everything else except that core set

Since I figured they'd be lag machines

[granite cosmos]

ah

so how does advanced company bring the AIs outside

[dry hazel]

It uses a config setting to simply allow you to define them as outdoor spawns

and/or daytime spawns if you want them to be there when you land

Other mods such as Infernis and Etern spawn ||Spiders|| and ||Nutcrackers|| outside by default as well, and they have this same issue

A way for the mod to detect if an enemy is outside and route it to the proper AI nodes would be dope

[granite cosmos]

I could add a check

if its outside then force it

it can be a config

[dry hazel]

I'd love you forever if you did

And then AdvancedCompany already handles the "adjusting spawns per moon" request I had a while back

[granite cosmos]

I'll makle two methods

One that attempts to guestimate if its spawned outside

and the other that just checks if the outside variable is set

[dry hazel]

Mhm

Might not work perfectly with all modded moons but definitely sounds like a better solution than them just not working if spawned by other mods

[granite cosmos]

Started a test and brackens seem to worjk alot better than last game update

albeit alot more laggy

[dry hazel]

Haha, I've heard PathfindingLagFix works for your outside stuff too

So definitely worth looking into or even seeing if you can integrate into LE

[granite cosmos]

Yeah

[dry hazel]

The interiors spawn a certain distance below the map, correct? Would a good way to check if an enemy is outside be to reference its location comparatively to the nearest indoor and outdoor AI nodes?

As someone with very little code experience, was just an idea I thought of

I have a bit but don't know how taxing on the game that would be

[granite cosmos]

I was thinking of checking the Y level of the monster compared to the ship

that or checking the distance of the closest outside node

[dry hazel]

That could also work

Y level of ship might be fucky with modded maps with high verticality but should generally be fine

Distance to node might work better, but might be more resource intensive

This is a less important request, but could you add an option to allow this for modded enemies as well? I'd love to have Boombas spawning outside on some maps, but unfortunately their AI breaks too

It might not be doable since idk if enemies are gonna be hardcoded to use a separate AI node

but yknow

Figured I'd ask

[crude flax]

I entered an eclipsed map with this mod, and there were no creatures, whether normal outside ones or modded until the night. Could this mod be causing this?

[granite cosmos]

no

this mod only effects inside mobs

[dry hazel]

That can also just happen sometimes, it's rare, but it can

[granite cosmos]

and it just sends them outside

[crude flax]

Even with the spawn outside chance stuff?

[granite cosmos]

That just teleports the inside AI outside

on spawn

[crude flax]

Ah ok, thanks guys; have a good day!

[granite cosmos]

[Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException
Stack trace:
HoarderBugAI.CheckLineOfSightForItem (HoarderBugItemStatus searchForItemsOfStatus, System.Single width, System.Int32 range, System.Single proximityAwareness) (at <af9b1eec498a45aebd42601d6ab85015>:0)
HoarderBugAI.DoAIInterval () (at <af9b1eec498a45aebd42601d6ab85015>:0)
EnemyAI.Update () (at <af9b1eec498a45aebd42601d6ab85015>:0)
(wrapper dynamic-method) HoarderBugAI.DMDHoarderBugAI::Update(HoarderBugAI)

this error seems to be causing the hoarding bugs to get stuck at their nest

I think their nest

[crude flax]

Is this mod compatible with snatchin bracken? (Sorry to bug you guys again)

[granite cosmos]

not sure

[dry hazel]

I've heard it is, but have not tested it myself

So add it, it might break, but I think it works

[fluid folio]

Is LCBetterSaves still borked?

Iirc it was causing a ton of issues, but not sure if that has been fixed since, that was 1-2 weeks ago

[dry hazel]

I have 100 mods and have had no issues with LCBetterSaves

[fluid folio]

Seems it still bugs with LGU

I'd read changelogs if it had any :omegakek:

If anything, feel free to search the discord if you're curious of the issues it was causing

[dry hazel]

Hey @granite cosmos, been discussing with a couple other mod devs and had a thought: Could the functionality of applying the "isOutside" tag retroactively be a separate dependency mod? That way any mod that adds enemies spawning outside could use it instead of LethalEscape being required. Which would then result in less conflicts overall as separate mods don't have to try all fighting for control over the "isOutside" tag

[granite cosmos]

its only really two lines of code

[dry hazel]

Gotcha

I'm not familiar enough to know how to do it, I'm terrible at code, especially in a 3d space

But it'd be awesome to have

[long ibex]

from my only bracken encounter outside, it does escape

but it doesn't take you anywhere when you're outside, it just grabs you and makes your items drop then let's go immediately after, you don't even move

that is if you have the "drop items when grabbed" config turned on

i tried testing it further but that's the only instance of one grabbing me outside

would be cool if he took you back into the building though

would be absolutely hilarious

[crude flax]

Yes, it would be brilliant; imagine if there was an official compatibility with this feature!

[crude flax]

Thank you for the reply

[long ibex]

Hello! just checking back in from this old comment!!

I tested further, and he does seem to grab you and take you somewhere

he does get stuck on trees and rocks though, so he just keep walking backwards until the timer runs out and he kills you

but he indeed does the snatching!

would be funny if on maps like march he just dragged you into a mud pit or the lake in the middle of the map

should be possible if he just chooses to back away in the direction of one of those

but yeah! no crashes, no weird behavior

[strong phoenix]

what's the current state of the mod? its disabled in my mod constellation because until the ai isnt behaving weirdly outside anymore (and inside coilheads still move for some players when they look at them) i wont use it

[fluid folio]

Sounds like a you issue

The coilhead issue is a vanilla issue I've experienced plenty of times
They sometimes only respond to one person looking at them

[strong phoenix]

i shouldnt have any mods that are incompatible

[strong phoenix]

ooh interesting

[fluid folio]

And depending on what you mean by behaving weirdly, would need elaboration

My guess is it may be desync or a connection or just a bug

It's definitely not fun when you tell your friend watch this for me and the coil is like, I only stop for you 🙂

[strong phoenix]

for example some monsters not attacking or making damage
some just randomly wandering around not doing anything

[fluid folio]

What monsters?

[strong phoenix]

yea this exact thing happened to me xD

[fluid folio]

The only ones I don't allow outside is coilheads or jester

Everyone else is fair game

Sorry, or blobs

Blobs, coil, and jester stay inside the facility exclusively

[strong phoenix]

i still kinda struggle to set the percentage for certain monsters in the config because they still spawn outside too often
this chance every hour thing is a little too much imo

[fluid folio]

I left mine 100% vanilla and I don't experience toomany issues

I also run with savage company so maybe the power weights affect that?

The most common inside monsters i see is

Bracken, lootbugs, puffers, masked (normal)

Very rarely a nutcracker will wander out
Spiders often like to spawn on titan or assurance the most

[strong phoenix]

I think having hoarding bugs outside is such a pain in the ass cause they just keep stealing your stuff you put outside and get aggro too quickly. also when you angered one bug inside every bug on the map (also the ones outside) is just auto aggro

[fluid folio]

I run with AC, so I just bonk them with my strong arms
It's drop dead hilarious with bonksfx

The biggest issue I've seen so far is when they steal beehives

Bees go insane when that happens

[strong phoenix]

yeah

[fluid folio]

But that's the cost of the chaos

[crude flax]

Great, thanks for the follow up! I have now started to use both in my mod pack, and it’s been a great experience!

[dire solstice]

I see there’s code for monsters to have their escapes delayed configurably, but that’s not the case for all monsters I see - why not add config options for them as well?

I’d have to double-check the config to see which ones are missing, but I think the Jester and Coilhead are among those who don’t currently have escape delay config options

[long ibex]

the spider doesn't have a "chance to escape every minute" config also

[fathom patrol]

I also tend to see that when a spider comes outside, it might start crawling infinitely down into the void. Ive seen this a few times with Spectate Enimies.

[long ibex]

yeah,i played on experimentation and the spider didn't love the outside geometry

so she would just walk sideways on very small hills

[crude flax]

Is the mod more monsters compatible? (And if anyone knows is it host only?)

[grizzled willow]

this is mod for host only. old version is need all client but now only host need
maybe compatible more monster (never use), but i always using HullBreaker Company + BrutalCompanyPlus

[crude flax]

Ok thank you !

[limpid marten]

I had some questions on how everything works

I'm a bit confused on the escape settings and the spawn escape settings

let's say a lootbug tries to escape from the inside does it first go through the escape settings chance then the spawn escape settings chance

or are those for two completely different things

[unique zephyr]

spawn escape chance is a chance for it to warp outside when it spawns

[limpid marten]

oooooo ok

thank you

[solar nimbus]

Is this mod supposed to fix indoor enemies just standing next to the ship when they go outside?

[long ibex]

it does a lot more, but from my experience it does

[solar nimbus]

odd, I never got that to work, brackens, slime, coilheads, hoarding bugs, nutcrackers, snare fleas bunker spiders etc just stand in a pile

[long ibex]

hmmm

that's odd

maybe it's cuz in my configs i have the spawn chance set to like

10% for each AT MOST

so like, usually only one indoor enemy spawns outside

[granite badger]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/AudioKnight/StarlancerAIFix/

[fluid folio]

Do you know if this has any incompatibilities?

[granite badger]

It's designed to work in a very vanilla way so it should be compatible with a lot of things

But I've heard lethal escape patches outdoor ai so I have no idea for this

Hopefully someone can test soon

[fluid folio]

I'm curious about it functioning with the pathingfix mod specifically

For sure

[dry hazel]

I am using PathfindingLagFix and having no lag with outdoor Spore Lizards / Coils

er

Brackens

[fluid folio]

I am also
I just meant, if this https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/AudioKnight/StarlancerAIFix/ would make inside enemies more natural outside

[dry hazel]

For LethalEscape, unsure

All I know is StarlancerAIFix works alongside PathfindingLagFix

I can't say for sure how much AI weirdness it will fix

[fluid folio]

Ah that's what I was looking for

The only things I really notice "weirdness" with is really lootbugs hiding by ship on some maps

Unless they steal bee hives (do at your own risk)

[dry hazel]

Lootbugs seem to not really wander too much tbh cuz there's no loot for them to go look at

[fluid folio]

Yeah

[dry hazel]

But I'm cool with the outdoor boys being chill

[fluid folio]

I like them wandering though for those who drop their loot on the ground and they come and yoink

[granite cosmos]

The mod only applies the outside stuff to AIs that escape within the mod

it just makes them go outside if they see people leave

or randomly escape every minute

or even have a chance to just spawn outside

Other mods that spawn AI outside won't be fixed

unless the mod applies the outside variables

[dry hazel]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1206494982521753620
This exists now as a global fix for other mods to use

[solar nimbus]

Ah thanks

[loud tree]

AI Fix works like this one?
Or changes something with this mod?

[dry hazel]

Works better than this one imo, as Lethal Escape's changes only apply to monsters it spawns

So it's incompatible with other mods that spawn enemies outside/inside

[lime river]

do you think youll ever do one that allows outside enemies inside? like dogs and hawks?

[dry hazel]

Starlancer AI Fix already does

[lime river]

is that host only?

[dry hazel]

Idk

Maybe

[loud tree]

Iirc
StarlancerAI just adds the possibility to spawn inside creatures outside and viceversa, but it doesn't allow to actually move

[lime river]

thats why she said ai fix

thats a fixed version

[loud tree]

So, it just works as LethalEscape?

[dry hazel]

Correct, StarlancerAIFix allows enemy AI to function properly when placed in a different section of the map than usual

But make sure you read what I am saying: Lethal Escape only applies its fixes to enemies it spawns

For example, if a modded moon spawns a Spider outside, it will huddle up by the ship as it attempts to navigate to 0, 0, 0, even with Lethal Escape installed, because Lethal Escape didn't spawn the Spider.

Lethal Escape and StarlancerAIFix apply similar fixes to enemies they spawn, but Lethal Escape only applies to its own enemies. StarlancerAIFix applies globally, allowing other mods to spawn enemies wherever they please.

And StarlancerAIFix works with dogs/baboons inside too, though I warn you that they are incredibly oppressive inside and not designed for tight spaces.

[loud tree]

Oh.
StarlancerAIFix Spawns creatures by itself?

[dry hazel]

No, it allows any other mod that spawns creatures to function properly

[loud tree]

I see, Thx!

[dry hazel]

AdvancedCompany, several custom moons, and several other mods tweak/allow you to tweak what spawns where

StarlancerAIFix just let's them work when you do so

Instead of clumping up by the ship and crying

[lime river]

wait what? so what mod do i need with starlancer ai fix for all enemies to be able to spawn out and in

[dry hazel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Idk tbh

It's not a good idea

Earth Leviathans on the interior is the dumbest idea on earth lol

It's technically doable with AdvancedCompany

[lime river]

i already have some spawn stuff setup in lethal quantities

also

its not dumb

its actually fun, as long as its rare

[dry hazel]

I disagree

But you do you lmao

[lime river]

you can see the particles too btw

[robust sun]

Would be awesome if monsters had AI to walk around at the Company planet, great for trolling.

[dry hazel]

They actually have AI fine, the issue is that the company has no Navmesh

There's a mod that fixes that, though I don't know the name

[robust sun]

Ooo I’d love to find that mod!

[robust sun]

Plz lemmie know if you remember it

[dry hazel]

I'm pretty sure it's like Company Navmesh or something

Searching it up on Thunderstore shouldn't be hard to find

[long ibex]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1206293648430333982

this the one

[bitter apex]

Just asking again, does this mod support ControlCompany?

[granite cosmos]

Yeah

Although you have to go in the facility

and control an enemy and then uncontrol it

and it calculates the escape chance

[sick oar]

There's a bug I found here:
https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1210439469677944852

[sick oar]

Ayo, I keep getting killed by the Bracken miles away from its actual location every time it escapes outside....

My friend said they saw it run right at me (on the monitor), so it might be desync, but how would we fix that?

[safe eagle]

I have seen similar things happen, i actually have a clip of it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1086478729628364800/1210116442494730260/EscapeMoment.mp4?ex=65f29e42&is=65e02942&hm=d6b86d354d5e8419bb910b5c5bd2190785ab90cffcb874c43d0e9c3d8003fa8b&

We've also had him grab someone from under the ship
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1086478729628364800/1212573974907588608/Sneaky.mp4?ex=65f25484&is=65dfdf84&hm=f87f7d8bc07c76657938a0a87b84ce89c096a62f5bf2f91f871c2d78ac066b43&

everyone's running the same profile + configs each time

[safe eagle]

For the first clip, we did have SnatchinBracken on
So that might have caused it, so we disabled it

[grizzled willow]

i recommended disabled Bracken Escape cause broken No sync location bracken

[safe eagle]

Makes sense

from now on we either turn off snatchin bracken or we stop him from being able to escape

SnatchinBracken is kinda redundant anyways for us since we have the demogorgon mod which behaves similarly

[sick oar]

See, I use Lethal Escape specifically to compliment Diversity's Bracken revamp, but I guess we just can't use it until this issue has a resolution 😔

[safe eagle]

You can just make it so the bracken cant escape

by default slimes and snare fleas cant escape cuz it just wouldnt make sense for their AI n stuff

so i say just do the same for the bracken
In general, the bracken works best in indoors environments anyways

it would be neat if he worked outside with these different AI changes mods

[lime river]

#1206494982521753620

:)

[safe eagle]

No, i mean the config
they are turned off

[lime river]

i know

but that fixes all issues with indoor to outdoor and vise versa

most

issues

[sick oar]

Well, where I use LE specifically for the Bracken, that'd be the same as disabling it entirely

[safe eagle]

like where is the snare flea gonna latch on, and the slime is too slow, works best indoors
Its not that the AI is broken outside for those 2, moreso it doesnt make sense imo for them to go outside
i am getting starlancer tho for the other enemies to work better outside

[safe eagle]

Ah i see

[sick oar]

Ye

I'll try StarLancer first, tho. Maybe it'll fix it somehow

[safe eagle]

#1206494982521753620 message

from what he described to me there, it sounds like it doesnt override the AI outside

just adds the fix afterwards

so, it should keep diversity's behavior in tact
idk what diversity does to the bracken so idk if it would break it as much as it does for SnatchinBracken when using lethalescape, but i will also try using starlancer to fix it

[safe eagle]

This works

With starlanceraifix, snatchin bracken seems to work with lethalescape

[safe eagle]

I can say tho, its a common bug where if you and someone else are watching a coilhead near the exit of a facility, the second one of you leaves the coilhead will teleport outside even though he is being watched by someone

and he is far away from the door

[twilit scroll]

Ello!

So I have a question about Lethal Escape

Will there be able to one day be compatibility between this and other mods that add monsters? For example The Fiend by Rolevote

[grizzled willow]

In my opinion, probably not
because that's the problem with the developer who made Fiend Mod

for example mod (Scopophobia) can go in and out of buildings

So in conclusion, in my opinion, it is impossible to add custom monsters like what Lethal Escape reads. For example, Lethal Escape says in and out of the building, meaning that when the monster leaves the building, it can go back in.

There is a possibility that the lethal escape mod developer will read Custom Monster

[twilit scroll]

Ah I see, I absolutely understand, thank you

[long oriole]

heya, been having an issue with lethalescape where monsters are behaving... weirdly... as host the mosters are all acting just fine, but for my clients enemies are having severe issues both inside and outside the building with lethalescape turned on. brackens appear to have "extendo arms" and are teleporting to people when they grab them (on my end, the bracken moves just fine), spiders and thumpers are instakilling etc.

[safe eagle]

Sounds weird, never really seen that in the whole time i have used it
The closest is having a bracken teleport and grab me

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1086478729628364800/1210116442494730260/EscapeMoment.mp4?ex=66051342&is=65f29e42&hm=a5da05d0be4c3aa7d62f18330829d0d802db072a325cc7c573644f9c7c7006f5&

Was it like this at all?

[long oriole]

yeah, thats the sort of thing

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1211740043803230218/1216152832248385637/Moments-clip-from-Mar-09-2024.mp4

[fathom patrol]

this happened to me too, the bracken teleported to me and killed me

i dont have a video of it though

[wild grotto]

does this support modded enemies?

[safe eagle]

Nop
Tho some modded enemies like Herobrine, Slenderman (?) and Shy Guy have special code to allow them to do this.

[marsh moth]

wonder if this works with v50

[uneven sinew]

yes it does

but no new enemy

[hoary blade]

it says that it is targeting BepInEx version 5.4.22.0 but on thunderstore the latest BepInEx pack version is 5.4.2100. What can I do?

[grizzled willow]

it's ok. but if you wanna using BepInEx version 5.4.22.0 u can download manual https://github.com/BepInEx/BepInEx/releases/tag/v5.4.22

[uneven sinew]

yo please update this mod with the new entities @safe eagle

[safe eagle]

i am not the dev

Maybe try out starlancers tho

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/AudioKnight/StarlancerEnemyEscape/

[uneven sinew]

not serverside

not a good option

[strong phoenix]

is this safe to use?

[jade pilot]

Wdym safe? It was created by starlancer one of the modders here, so we can assume that it's not some malicious actor trying to sneak malware into a PC.

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1206494982521753620

[strong phoenix]

haha no by safe i mean if there is a high possibility that it will conflict with other mods or mess up some things idk

[jade pilot]

It's possible that there could be some weird AI behavior, as that mod is relatively new.
But nothing more jarring than what already happens with this mod.
And issues are being reported and fixed actively, so i would feel it's "safe" to include in a modpack.
I plan to do so myself, once some more mods get their updates for new lll.

[fathom patrol]

when will butlers come outside

[long ibex]

you can use #1206494982521753620, that one's a bit more up to date

[uneven sinew]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1279854114246754334

[fathom patrol]

Deadass?

[uneven sinew]

?

[lapis kiln]

why cant i change exit chance of jesters?

and why do jesters look like they are not popped when they spawn outside but still chase u imediately

[unique zephyr]

lethal escape is very broken, use starlancerenemyescape

[lapis kiln]

th

tyx

[lapis kiln]

its broken too

[unique zephyr]

what do you mean?

[lapis kiln]

the jester is fully broken

@unique zephyr do you know how to fix it

sry for pingµ

[snow bay]

Does this still get updates?

Have seen quite a lot of bugs where (for example jester) simply teleports outside

[last bronze]

no

use starlancerenemyescape

[granite cosmos]

I might come back and fix it up.

Depends on how fixable it is

Not sure what has changed in the past updates

[granite cosmos]

Alright so I'm gonna go through an take a look at every enemies code

and see how I can override where it moves to

and semi change how escaping works

Or

Full rewrite

I'm gonna make it so theres multiple options
Chance to escape when walking by exit
Chance to escape every 30 seconds and walk to exit
Chance to spawn outside map

If the ai sees a person run outside then it will go to the exit door and escape out after waiting 2 seconds at the door

[granite cosmos]

Ok so the mod works still

for the most part

Don't really have to change the attack logic