│nightclub

[woven wigeon]

also idea:
bring back the extended cutscene BUT if you do the game nohit you get a special cutscene

[tawdry otter]

The special cutscene is the Dealer!kiss, since you kept your face this time

[woven wigeon]

how tf would you kiss the dealer IF THE DEALER HAS NO FACE!

also i need to animate the scrapped "sawstacking" idea

[hybrid wolf]

infineural doesn't seem to have any way to indicate time tho

ironic

[woven wigeon]

uses 3 handsaws
hits dealer for 4 damage
takes one damage cause of how cut up the gun is

[bronze olive]

Literally go into the ARG channel we are always cooking

[woven wigeon]

im gonna walk in there and probably never return cause ill be so lost due to the nature of me and args

[sour tulip]

uses 8 handsaws
there is no more gun
dies because you have lost your arm

[bronze olive]

We could use all the help we could get

[woven wigeon]

you use 6 handsaws and you just hop the table and punch the dealer for seven damage

[hybrid wolf]

but yeah
Buckshot is directly set in august 1998
so is Carbon Steel
Control Room alpha is in January 2041 but they share the same company as Carbon Steel (E.K.R.E.)
Tartarus Engine was finished in 2009 but started construction "decades" earlier, which overlaps with Buckshot (and with the poem, the Dealer might be a prototype of the Engine)
and Other Side has a pile of books, the oldest one being from 1997, and we know we're in summer, so it's highly probable it's summer 1998

[woven wigeon]

may i know where its stated that buckshot is from 98?

[bronze olive]

The cellphone

[hybrid wolf]

a lot of places in the ARG, but the most obvious one is the burner phone

[bronze olive]

It has the date on it

[hasty shuttle]

My item idea; shot glass. Adds 1 Armor point to your HP, so if you had 2 defibs left a regular shot would prevent damage, and a sawed shot would reduce only 1 HP instead of 2. Use shot glass then beer to unlock achievement; Liquor Before Beer

[sour tulip]

So a direct upgrade to the cig

[hybrid wolf]

is the shield permanent ?

well as long as it doesn't get used I mean

[hasty shuttle]

Naw it would just be once per round; so the buzz you get would wear off, at least that's my logic, and they wouldn't stack so you could only have 1 at a time

[woven wigeon]

wait it does? clearly i havent been paying attention to the details D:

[bronze olive]

There are a Lot of details my friend

[hasty shuttle]

Not quite, if you had full HP it would add a +1

[bronze olive]

The game has Lore 🙂

[hybrid wolf]

so it is just cigs but better

[woven wigeon]

i like lore :D

[hasty shuttle]

well Cig replenishes HP, if you're full HP then Cig does nothing. If you only had 1 HP left and the shield, a sawed barrel shot would still kill you

[bronze olive]

As do I. That's why I love that it has an ARG despite the ARG being hilariously difficult in a way I've never seen

[hybrid wolf]

but if you're ever curious, those are the books used in Other Side :

[hybrid wolf]

yeah
what you're saying is that the liquor is basically just a cigarette that allows you to heal past the max

[hasty shuttle]

Or at least help keep you alive longer if your HP is less than full

[hybrid wolf]

ok let's try another way

[sharp needle]

whys that monitor sounding like a damn chainsaw

[hybrid wolf]

what's the difference between those two health situations ?

because for me, there is no difference
if you get shot once, you go to 1 health
if you get shot twice or get hit by a sawed barrel, you die

so what's the difference ?

and if there is no difference, then you're saying the liquor is the same as cigarettes, except you can go above the max health
which makes it objectively better while not actually being that mechanically different

I also have an inkling that you might be recycling my idea of a shield charge, except you don't understand what made mine interesting
but I will leave the benefit of the doubt and say it's possibly convergent thinking

[bronze olive]

What kind of autism is at play in this convo today

[hybrid wolf]

ok, I have a confirmation about the time of infineural
I didn't catch the exact date but it's 2022

so it's not relevant here

[hybrid wolf]

it's the board game balancing autism

[rough forge]

Every week so far is a week without buckshot multiplayer

[bronze olive]

Okay I understand now 🙂

[hybrid wolf]

may 5th 2022

they say in the warp drive 5 minutes is 50 years
so that's a ratio of 26 298 000

assuming the warp drive started at the same date as earth

it might actually be the same day as launch

jesus christ

yeah the warp drive was launched 6 hours before our character gets inside

jesus

[stuck swan]

i would’ve killed for the scrapped synthesizer
having the win screen play a random song would be so funny

[woven wigeon]

this game is more autism than fnaf (which is why i like this game and archive all it's versions)

[stuck swan]

also the spin the bottle mechanic sounds cool
maybe should be added to double or nothing/multiplayer

[bronze olive]

That'd be funny

And also piss people off

[silver flame]

“Guys, statistically it should be a blank!”
Proceeds to shoot myself while streaming in a VC.

[woven wigeon]

it 100% will be in multiplayer

[bronze olive]

Can we please have proxy VC

Voice cuts out for half a sec when getting shot

[woven wigeon]

also idea: if the shotgun gets bottle spun near the trigger would it have the chance to accidentally discharge a round?

[stuck swan]

also it was originally was a game that had a bunch of different missions

not just buckshot roulette

[night marsh]

PLEASE

[bronze olive]

Why would this ever happen....that's so funny

[sharp needle]

my guts are telling me the playermodels are just gonna be the dealer but with different colors

[bronze olive]

Pinky dealer pwease 💖

[silver flame]

I’m really hoping that the multiplayer mode has voice chat.

[stuck swan]

really hope a inscription like story mode gets added or something

[silver flame]

Would be funny.

[sharp needle]

imagine the game crashes when you get shot in multiplayer

[storm trellis]

"you know that is a blank right" "yea stfu"

[hasty shuttle]

@hybrid wolf No, for my idea if you get shot once the shield would return to a regular looking charge, twice would remove only one of the HP charges instead of two

[sharp needle]

1 live 1 blank

1 charge

[storm trellis]

well pray

[opal shale]

It would be fun to play with voice chat with randoms to be honest.

but then you can also expect cheaters and hackers

[hasty shuttle]

You don't understand what makes my idea interesting if you think changing a defib icon to a shield doesn't also add a +1 to your total HP. So by your own graphic the upper one would have 2 HP and the bottom one would have technically 3 HP

[opal shale]

so I guess I will strictly stay with friends.

[sharp needle]

buckshot roulette: realism edition
1 charge for 1 round

no cigars no meds

[storm trellis]

hard mode when? (the dealer is actually smart)

[woven wigeon]

cause its very funny and probably could happen irl

sorry for taking so long to respond btw im at the dentist

[bronze olive]

Well yeah it'd definitely happen irl if you sit there being silly with a gun

[woven wigeon]

i like gun safety related shenanigans being in games :3

[solid ridge]

How I rank every song on the ost:
1# before every load
2# blank shell
3# general release
4# 70K
5# you are an angel
6# socket calibration
7# monochrome LCD

[woven wigeon]

blank shell god tier

its so soothing and comforting

[bronze olive]

putting you are an angel below 70k

I'm going to Attack you

You are an angel is GOOD

[sour tulip]

Putting monochrome LCD on the bottom is sad

[solid ridge]

I was really debating whether or not to put that or socket calibration at the bottom

[frail crane]

I think they're all equally great tbh I couldn't choose

[woven wigeon]

isnt monochrome LCD the tune that happens before you fully kill the dealer?

[sour tulip]

No, it's the one that happens when you (or the Dealer's) life support is cut

[bronze olive]

BEL, General Release, and Angel are my faves... v_v the others are all super good too

[woven wigeon]

so i was right

[bronze olive]

They're all like GOOD but those are the ones I be jamming to

[sour tulip]

Oh wait, I thought you wrote "after"

[winter geode]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL8yvZDF6RA&t=67s
do u think dealer does this whenever hes on break

[opal shale]

oh my god

[solid ridge]

After reading about the scrapped double or nothing cutscene showing an engineer adding new items to the table I wonder in the lore how many people are actually involved in running buckshot roulette?

[tawdry otter]

Goddamnit, now I have to try playing Keyboard Cat at the end of a round

[opal shale]

Lmao nice

[tawdry otter]

Given the complexity of the ARG there must be at least a skeleton lore team, otherwise idk how the dev would manage BR work solo.
Also from that cut content post it sounded like BR was supposed to be a horror minigame(!)

[opal shale]

also nice

[solid ridge]

No I mean like IN the game. The Dealer and the smoker both work to run the game itself so who else works with them?

[tawdry otter]

Ohhh right. Hm, there's VOLTA, but they could just be the setting's IBM. And if the Dealer was holding a piece of a larger horror narrative, but behind a game, it sounds like he's not fully allied with the small town. He's acting like a partial arms dealer, but there doesn't seem to be a weapons factory in the club.

[solid ridge]

They do seem to be making some interesting tech tho. Like DIY adrenaline injectors and a switch that can remotely change the properties of a shotgun shell

[tawdry otter]

Autoinjectors are a pharma thing IRL, but if those Inverters work on ANY type of weapon that has some interesting geopolitical implications
BRB, taking a stack of switches to a decommissioned nuke storage facility to start a hot war / rolling into the Soviet's nuclear stash to make them all duds

[solid ridge]

At face value though their main thing is illegal gambling and narcotics

[bronze olive]

I wanna see the engineer 🥺

[vernal acorn]

ok

[sour tulip]

[manic fox]

i ran out of space for items in DoN and my game fucking crashed lmao

[bronze olive]

"No space ??? Fuck your life"

[manic fox]

literally

i just clicked on the box and woops there goes my game

[sonic crown]

https://tenor.com/view/simon-henriksson-cry-of-fear-simon-gif-27435696

[winter geode]

Cringe simon

[solid ridge]

Cool thought I just had. What if they added a “Schrödinger Shell” as an item

You basically add a shell that has 50/50 odds to the chamber

[tawdry otter]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress2-engineer-gif-23869806

[bronze olive]

I HATE YOU

😭

[winter geode]

i need this image but without the text

[winter geode]

🙏

i love you

but seriously thanks

[signal elm]

I would like to share my chameleon

[winter geode]

tf2 mention

[solid ridge]

That is an excellent chameleon

[signal elm]

Thank you

Her name is Jasmim

[winter geode]

thats sick

[winter geode]

thats a cool name for a chameleon

[signal elm]

She brings me much joy

[tawdry otter]

You can't fool us, that's clearly an empty branch and some shrubbery /s

[winter geode]

Thats a rock

[woven wigeon]

is the vellon statue real?

[bronze olive]

yes

[warm turret]

yes, there are files for it in the decompile

[woven wigeon]

okie
cause im making the buckshot iceberg i was talking about and i wanted to make sure it existed before i placed it somewhere

[quasi nest]

[winter geode]

Silence. Slack jawed gamer

[vernal monolith]

Hey! Please keep self promotion in the https://discord.com/channels/1158444754325999747/1166398169861595146 channel, and don't spam please. thank you! c:

[blissful wedge]

What is this shell file do?

[blazing plinth]

The switch definitely makes me think that there's just straight up dark magic going on
Which would also explain the way the defibrillators work

[tawny zinc]

I saw the latest Backshot Roulette steam post. What if in the multiplayer mode. The players do rock paper scissors?

Whoever losses will go first

[subtle copper]

how long will it take to get 8 centrillion in double or nothing

HELP

[thorn nest]

👀

why

[signal elm]

Chameleon

[worthy aspen]

Ooooooo

[signal elm]

Yus

[sweet horizon]

9 hours and still no 1 million

i had two steps left

[signal elm]

At least you didn't get one shot first round

[slate estuary]

i was close to getting a million for the 2nd time then i took 4 damage in one turn. he had handcuffs, a handsaw, and an adrenaline to steal my handsaw

[uncut ruin]

Not to mention how a sawed off shotgun magically regenerates the barrel

[blazing plinth]

And that lol

[umbral spear]

can someone pls help me with the challenge pack mod?

how can i configure it

[lofty wharf]

did you have 3 handsaws or did you let him steal a handsaw for free

[slate estuary]

i had 2 handsaws so i couldnt burn them

i used up one but couldnt stop him taking my other one

[lofty wharf]

no way to shoot yourself with a handsawed blank?

[serene cradle]

#│fishing-from-drowned-lake message\

[blissful wedge]

I think it like dice game which you 2 will guess a number from 2-12 and once the dice thrown out the one who guess closer to the dice number will go first

Fair aenough right?

[blazing plinth]

That seems like not the best way to decide since choosing 7 is always the optimal answer

I'd say it should just be a coin flip

[junior ridge]

Aka spin the shotgun

[hybrid wolf]

now the real question is :
do you spin the shotgun every time ?
do you alternate who starts every loadout ?
or do you keep track of who was supposed to play next ?

and is there a way to nerf the first player ?

all those options change how players will interact with loadouts

also I don't think a single game would be enough
you'd need something like 3 blood bags each that get sent if you lose the round
first player to not have any blood bags left loses

(so it's a bets of 5)

[junior ridge]

More like 2 blood bags, when you have none it's your last chance

[hybrid wolf]

I mean going from 1 charge to 0 is death so

[junior ridge]

Yeah that's what I was thinking too lmao

BR isn't the best in terms of logic

[junior ridge]

Wait actually it isn't in normal mode

If you go from 1 to 0 or from 1 to (technically) -1 if the saw is used, you still get revived with that last charge

DoN is the mode that isn't applying logic lol

Who the heck is streaming roblox in VC 💀

[hybrid wolf]

well the guy isn't here to give you the last charge

[regal sail]

multiplayer finna be lit

[rough forge]

thats fucking stupid

thats just more confusion

[sour tulip]

But why

That sounds awful

[junior ridge]

Btw I've found that the inverter is actually OP

[sour tulip]

Yes it is

Always has been

Though it does have the unfortunate piece that it doesn't stack well at all and yet doesn't really have a limit to how many you can have on your table

[junior ridge]

Picture the start of the game, 4-4 situation
An inverter can make it so your next shot is either a previous miss that is now a hit or one less live shell for the dealer to exploit

[sour tulip]

I wouldn't use the inverter then

But that concept is abolutely useable elsewhere

[junior ridge]

To me a situation like that is a steal

But you do you

[sour tulip]

It makes it go from all in via shooting a live to deal damage and get rid of it from the shotgun vs a blank which does nothing for you and makes it more likely for the Dealer to shoot you

[slate estuary]

unfortunately no safe way to do so atleast

[sour tulip]

Into the more favorable you shoot a blank and at least it did damage or you shoot a live and at least that's out of the gun

It's useful especially when there aren't many lives left in the gun and you don't want to get shot yourself

[junior ridge]

I just got 3 inverters in a row from a box ;u ;

[sour tulip]

It's also the only item besides beer that can safely get rid of a live in the gun without ending your turn

Which is a niche but entirely valid situation if you absolutely cannot let the Dealer get the gun (i.e. the classic magnifying glass + inverter + handsaw combo)

Lots of use cases

Just be careful with it when the Dealer has adreneline, the Dealer does NOT hesitate to steal that if he knows the current round is blank

Keeping pills or beer on the table between rounds so that they become the first items you pulled out of the box that are still on the table are the best ways to prevent that in my experience.

[bold gorge]

hi guys, can i play buck shot in multiplayer now?

[wooden birch]

????

[slate estuary]

no

[bronze olive]

LOL

[ancient pilot]

Honestly i'd love for the Synthesizer to be reintroduced in the Multiplayer mode

purely because having your own round victory tune would be fun

in that sort of thing

also, i have a FULL vision for how the scrapped extended ending to winning the game would have played out, may animate it one day who knows

that first one might fit more on #1225812824450797689

so..will do xd

[bronze olive]

Me too !!!!!

[lime narwhal]

How do you unlock the Bronze gates achievemnt

[manic fox]

anyone else been experiencing crashes?

[manic fox]

die in round 3 in normal mode (not double or nothing)

[loud perch]

how do you get the new items havent played for months

[lime narwhal]

Like shoot yourself die or just die?

[manic fox]

take the pills

[manic fox]

either, it's just for the alternate ending where your life support gets cut off and you die, getting sent to heaven

[lime narwhal]

ah ok ty

[pastel phoenix]

i will be able to play the multiplayer if i have it in itch io?

[manic fox]

we don't know but if I were to guess Probably not

[coral relic]

Hey! Unfortunately multiplayer will only be available for the Steam version of the game.

[hybrid wolf]

I think there is an itch.io mod tho

[junior ridge]

Me in the steam version

[hybrid wolf]

same if I leave the game unnatended for too long

[hybrid wolf]

oh something very interesting I figured out :
how the inverter supposedly works

[vernal acorn]

how?

[hybrid wolf]

on the dial there's an inscription that is very hard to read
but it's "0.5 ГДШ" which is a unit that relates to speakers and sound systems
(not sure exactly how, I don't speak Russian)
combined with the official translation in French of the inverter as the "ondulateur"
quite literally the "wave-maker"
it emits a high frequency pitch that... somehow... changes the shell

that explains the weird noises it makes when activated

[vernal acorn]

huh that's interesting

but that's just a sound wave right?

[hybrid wolf]

yup

[vernal acorn]

I mean the dealer is a monster so maybe the sound is a specific frequency, which does something supernatural

[hybrid wolf]

not sure exactly how that translates into the shell suddenly having gunpowder in it

[vernal acorn]

yeah lol

[hybrid wolf]

well there's some theories that the Dealer is actually a machine

[vernal acorn]

watt, who would put teeth like that on a machine. Honestly I dont know much about the buckshot world itself

[hybrid wolf]

there's a whole ARG going on right now
and without spoiling too much, there's a poem that was found

and that poem describes a "machine fed by shots, blood, and luck, chewing, metalic, and vile"

I theorize it's possible the Dealer is part of a Tartarus Engine prototype
the dates align

[vernal acorn]

nice

[leaden ruin]

okay guys real stupid question here, what instrument or sound is used for the main part of socket calibration? (the fast part that consists of like 5 notes)

[hybrid wolf]

sounds like a synthesized noise

some midi synth preset I'd guess

[leaden ruin]

hm

[calm siren]

Технические характеристики 0,5 ГДШ
Назначение: для применения во встроенных открытых акустических системах малогабаритной переносной бытовой радиоаппаратуры третьей группы сложности для работы в помещении и на открытом воздухе

Translate time

Technical specifications 0.5 GDSH
Purpose: for use in built-in outdoor speaker systems of small portable household radio equipment of the third group of complexity for indoor and outdoor use

[hybrid wolf]

sounds about right

[hybrid wolf]

do you know what it actually corresponds to ?

[calm siren]

in the 90s such speakers were used

[hybrid wolf]

yes but like

what is "0.5 GDHS"

[calm siren]

model

[hybrid wolf]

I see

[calm siren]

GDSH 20

etc

[hybrid wolf]

riiight

[calm siren]

made in Ukraine

[hot relic]

Do we have any estimate of when the multiplayer beta will be?

[warm turret]

i don't believe we've been provided any info other than the fact that it's coming at some point this year

[sacred knot]

that honestly would be perfect for multiplayer mode

you can just make your own noise that the lobby will hear when you win. gives personality between each player

a really cool aspect i thought of for it is that the synthesizers buttons dont play the song that you made so you wont even know what it'll sound like until you hear it. an odd sense of making your own kind of monstrosity.

[junior ridge]

Nah that would be too much

Although the lobby shouldn't hear it so that it remains a surprise

[sacred knot]

well it was a thought. it could technically be too much

i just think the thought of the fact that like something feels inherriantly wrong with the syntheziser when you play the music you make. noises that put you on edge or some shit like that.

[junior ridge]

Tbh you could just turn off the volume instead

It doesn't have to be a feature for everyone

[sacred knot]

true.

[tall heart]

Have you guys gifted Buckshot to some of your friends?

[slate estuary]

no, but i recommend it like crazy

[tall heart]

Same, but then I gift people to it like crazy

I bought a copy for myself and 14 to other friends

[slate estuary]

im too broke for that rn

[tall heart]

I am not kidding when I say 14 copies

I just like the game

[opal shale]

Are there people who gift others? How nice

I'd do the same if I had a better income...

[slate estuary]

i used to do this for spelunky hd when it went on sale for like $2

[tall heart]

I love gifting people, it's better seeing other people happy than yourself

[opal shale]

you're putting everyone else before you
you should treat yourself at times as well. trust me.

[strange dove]

is this game really only 20 minutes long? i'm surprised how short it is...

[night marsh]

If you don’t count the achievements and the DoN mode, it’s around that time yeah

[scenic tinsel]

For the normal mode pretty much yes, but you can definetly get multiple hours out of it with the endless mode and when the multiplayer comes out its gonna be even better

[strange dove]

damn, the allure of the game was the atmosphere. i thought i was playing a game on the level of Inscryption-- wish there was a story.
Ah well. have fun boys

[night marsh]

Check the arg channel we are working on unravelling the story

[slate estuary]

bro came in to ask his question n dipped

he gone

[night marsh]

Ah well

[lofty wharf]

imo by far the best part about the game is the strategy element. If there was no endless mode I’d probably rate it 4/10 but with it, i think its a 9/10 game. Maybe even a 10

[ancient pilot]

im imagining that we would show up to eachother in just silhouette form like the man with a cig

so yeah def

unless we can get like silly little cosmetics to put on our heads

[winter geode]

Wait where is the arg channel really curious how the arg stuff is going for buckshot

[night marsh]

https://discord.com/channels/1158444754325999747/1225504147722342461

[stuck swan]

something I think would be neat is if the shotgun got switched out each round like a double barrel or a semi automatic

[gusty socket]

doing gods work sir

[stuck swan]

idea for a Semi Automatic shotgun mod
The Semi-Auto Shotgun Rapid Fires Until you Hit a Blank
(you won’t be able to get handsaws unless you have a round with the pump shotgun)

[tall heart]

Your message hit me a bit hard
But don't you worry, I'll be fine

[opal shale]

I was in your situation. I wanted everyone to be happy. I say you should, at times, gift yourself something and make yourself happy. I also did put everyone else before myself, and let's say, I've „fricked around and found out,” the consequences of not treating myself well. Please take care of yourself. You matter just like anyone else.

Sorry for the monologue, I don't want you to be in danger. 🙏

[hallow willow]

what

[woven wigeon]

which one do i get?

[bronze olive]

Left

[plain mirage]

Left

[grizzled wren]

click my profile

[night marsh]

Left

[manic wyvern]

Why would you pick an anime boy over the hottest man alive

Dealer big naturals

[ancient pilot]

if you can afford it

both

[hot cloak]

bored 4k screenshot

[carmine flame]

the dealer looks so smooth 😭

[lofty wharf]

8 shells. RIP
although i misplayed in the previous round so cant rly blame the game

i was at 40 mil tho so thats a bummer

[woven wigeon]

i did but now i cant get a game that i was going to get

[solid ridge]

Question for the masses. When you’re on your last shell in a load and you know it’s blank and you can’t change it do you prefer to spend it shooting at the dealer or yourself?

[tall heart]

Shooting at the dealer, just to mock him
or when i feel suicidal i aim it at myself

[sonic crown]

ill shot it to my wife to freak it out

[hybrid wolf]

I shoot myself to assert dominance

[opal shale]

holy, the score sign thingy is no longer unreadable

Gotta play this in 4k then, on my 1080p display

[agile sedge]

I feel like this game would be fun on an old tube tv

[opal shale]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yescat-cat-nodding-nod-gif-21702876

[tawdry otter]

It's not a CRT but I found a rolled up DDR mat in the attic. Wonder if the controller support will enable Dance Dance Roulette :v

[agile sedge]

hell yeah

[tawdry otter]

...there isn't a mobile port of BR, only Steam (Deck) and itch.io

[slate estuary]

playin on steam deck is great

[tawny zinc]

Some dudes in the military are playing Buckshot Roulette irl

[zinc storm]

if you bought the itch version of the game, do you have to buy it on steam again?

[night marsh]

Yes

[cobalt burrow]

I did a video essay on this game for school

Well the focus was Caillois' theory

[hazy knot]

Whats that ^

[winter geode]

left

i need that dealer plush so badly tbh

i think it'd be cool if i had it attached to my bag

[modern moth]

wait

did baulvicork get banned?

/genq

[bronze olive]

I wanna kiss it

[icy escarp]

You have 2 health and there are 3 shells in the shotgun. 1 live, 2 duds. Dealer has a magnifying glass and saw. What's the most optimal play

[cosmic heron]

Shooting yourself

[icy escarp]

Good you're smart

[warm turret]

technically cheating but i agree with shenanigan

if you shoot dealer you have a 2/3 chance of hitting a blank and getting owned
if you shoot yourself you have a 2/3 chance of hitting a blank and thus being able to use the magnifying glass to find the live, and a 1/3 chance of dealing 1 damage to yourself and surviving to the next loadout

[sour tulip]

Shoot yourself twice

Even if you do end up hitting yourself with one of those rounds, it's better to take 1 damage and survive than only have 1/3 odds of guessing the live round to be any earlier than the last shell and dying if you get it wrong

It's one of many situations where the "defensive" play of shooting yourself is more viable

[warm turret]

oh dang i misunderstood, for some reason i thought player had a magnifying glass too

[sour tulip]

I'd actually play it like this

Shoot myself

Beer if I have one, if not but I do have a burner/magnifying use the info to confirm which is which, otherwise shoot myself a second time

Mind, if the Dealer has 1 health left then obviously I'm going for the kill over doing the beer

[warm turret]

i'd personally use the glass over a beer

i like the guaranteed shot

[sour tulip]

The guaranteed shot is definitely nice

But that's more of an instant satisfaction

Considering the gun is about to run out of shells, it's better to keep your stronger items for next round to be used for a combo

Especially since the Dealer has a juicy handsaw to steal if you get adrenaline

So I'd rather take the beer out for the 50/50 odds of getting the live over wasting info for the next shotgun round

There's a lot of strategy involved honestly

It's what makes it such a great game even if it seems like dumb luck to start out with

[warm turret]

that is true. but magnifying glass only provides a guarantee if you have an inverter. otherwise it just increases your chances of getting something good. and stockpiling beers lets you skip through a bunch of the loadout potentially skipping dealer's turn entirely, preventing cig/adrenaline use or other nasty things he could do. at the very least having a beer gives you a better chance of being able to be on the last shot of the next loadout, giving you that info
though i see your point, i have no idea which of these approaches is actually better

[sour tulip]

Even more to consider is whether or not it's the 3rd round

If it's the 3rd round, you might want to use neither and still go for shooting yourself a 2nd time just to maintain as many items into the Double or Nothing transition

[warm turret]

indeed

[winter geode]

also this is like the first ever video game for me to enjoy doing maths in my head lol

[winter geode]

ALSO i am calling it right now for when multiplayer gets added in

I am betting that beer can placements are going to be used to hide items like the adrenaline etc like beer goes all at the front and the other items at the back

[manic wyvern]

Imagine doing math

[wispy viper]

Makes me shudder 🤒 (My job revolves around some math 😭)

[lofty wharf]

hell nah 😭

[manic wyvern]

Me when I fail math

[tame creek]

Hi chat

[slate estuary]

cigs feel so useless when the dealer has adrenaline

[wispy viper]

Ngl I feel completely hopeless when the dealer has adrenaline & I'm not good at the game. I think I am but I just get lucky with guessing. So anytime the dealer has adrenaline I don't even know how to act 😂 then I lose!

[tawdry otter]

Can't find one specific theory, but here's an outline of what Caillois tried to define
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Caillois#Caillois'_key_ideas_on_play

[slate estuary]

i just try n use up anything that would be really risky for him too steal. like a handsaw, cigs, or handcuffs

[tawdry otter]

Yep, item and turn denial upfront. Give me all those short loadouts, handcuffs, and beer

[slate estuary]

though if you have meds you can deal one damage to him and he will often try n steal the them if you dont also have cigs. at worst he heals for 1 and clears up a space on your board. at best he also takes damage, clears up your space, and wastes his adrenaline

[burnt aurora]

Who up bucking they shot

[wispy viper]

So when I have medicine I hardly take it, when he steals it he almost always loses health. That's why I save it for him to steal bc rarely he will gain one health in my playthroughs. Obviously that tactic doesn't work all the time 😂 but I'm ok with losing.

[slate estuary]

well it only works if you've only dealt one damage with it

but even still if it doesnt work all the time its good to make a mental note of different tactics

[lofty wharf]

learning that dealer prioritizes your items load order when stealing helps a lot

i can keep all my mags and saws as long as my beer was put into play first, he'll just yoink that instead

[slate estuary]

wait what???

[cobalt burrow]

4 classifications of games: agon (competition), alea (chance), mimicry and ilinx (vertigo)

[wispy viper]

The dealer steals my cigs or medicine when he has been shot. The dealer often takes my saws and magnifying glasses before my beers.

[lofty wharf]

then they were put into play first, or beer was deemed unusable in that situation

[wispy viper]

I'm trying to tell you that isn't true because that literally doesn't happen in my games.

[lofty wharf]

according to this person, who looked into the games code, its true #│nightclub message

since he also uses his own items based on spawn order, and he uses your items just like he would use his

[wispy viper]

Watching over my own gameplay I noticed the ONLY time he actually did that in the order it came out was with the cigarettes or pills, when he needed to heal?

Any other time he didn't, unless I missed something.

[lofty wharf]

I'd like to see the gameplay

[wispy viper]

Sure, hold on just a sec. Lmk if I missed it

[sour tulip]

I actually can 100% confirm with in-game testing

He will use your items the same way he would use his

He will go over them in box order and use the first one he finds "useful" to him

Though this also means that healing items, which you naturally wouldn't use yet since you're going first, are very often the items that he uses first

But if you have something else that you grabbed from the box first still on the table, like a beer and he doesn't know the current round is live, he will pick to use that, even if there's something more valuable like healing.

It's also why the Dealer loves to steal pills

Since they're not exactly used often by the player and sit on the table for a long time

(Though do note that he refuses to use pills if there is any cigs he can grab first)

[lethal yacht]

....Maaan... There are some knock-offs Buckshot in Steam.....

[slate estuary]

i think knock offs are fine as long as they're not stealing assets and branding

[lethal yacht]

And the one with "friend"s" in title got re-uploaded...

Yeah, now looks a bit different and not the music as initially used

[slate estuary]

alot of knock offs are made by indie developers trying to learn how to code and figure out how certain games are made

[lethal yacht]

But still, trying to get money out of it...?

[slate estuary]

yea why not

its like when people made other fps games they were all called "doom clones" are other people not allowed to mess with ideas n make money off of it?

[lethal yacht]

It's.... quite not rigjt if the original is actually out...

[slate estuary]

its unlikely to steal sales because usually people like to purchase the higher quality thing instead

[lethal yacht]

But experience makes them better. Even with criticsm

I mean... Streamers already made a good content out of the original

Wish the AI dealer can be tweaked

[slate estuary]

maybe in a patch one day, probably will if not already with mods

[lethal yacht]

Let time play itself. So does development.

[slate estuary]

what

[bronze olive]

what

[opal shale]

what

[lethal yacht]

what

[junior ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-the-chain-peter-griffin-breaking-the-chain-gif-24707239

[hybrid wolf]

hi, I'm the guy that looked at the code, I can confirm :
dealer tries to use all its own items first
then if it has adrenaline, it will assume your items are his and apply the same logic
that means checking them in order of the box, checking if they're valid, using the first valid one, then starting at the beginning of the list again
cigarettes are coded to always be used before medicine
that does not mean he will always steal your cigarettes, only if there is no valid items before them

most of the time when the dealer takes your items, he already knows the shell because he used a magnifying glass
so chances are he will steal an inverter or a handsaw first

so let's say this is the load out :
1-2
it's the dealer's turn
he doesn't know the shell
he has 1 life, the max lives is 3
he pulled pills, adrenaline, and adrenaline out of the box in that order
you pulled an inverter and a magnifying glass, in that order

the dealer first checks his items in order :

pills :
can't use them because he is at 1 life
adrenaline :
not checked for now
adrenaline :
not checked for now

he used all his items
he checks if he has adrenaline
he does
he checks your items in order :

inverter :
can't use it because he doesn't know the shell
magnifying glass :
he doesn't know the shell so he can use it

the dealer uses an adrenaline to steal your magnifying glass
he sees a blank shell
he starts again

can't use the pills
can't use the adrenaline
check the player's inventory

he knows the shell is blank so he uses his adrenaline to steal your inverter
he starts again

can't use the pills

no more item can be used
he knows the shell is live
he shoots you for 1 damage

[wispy viper]

I just read this website that said the decompiled code says he uses beer and mag glass randomly if he doesn't know the next shell or is forced to make a decision. Not sure how true that is but I've seen at least 3 different places saying it as random after looking at the code.. 😭 so idk

[hybrid wolf]

well

it's

it's not how the code works

but in practice it's not exactly wrong

it's definitely not random
if he has items from multiple loadouts, he will use the previous ones first

well he'll try at least

the code loops through his item list

and the item list appends to the right when he gets items

so newer items are used last

the problem is :
as a player you have absolutely no clue which order he pulled the items in, so it's pretty much random

[wispy viper]

That's actually what I was going to say is I noticed you can't see what he pulls out and that's probably why I'm so confused. I also don't know how to look through code unfortunately... But I believe you. I appreciate you and @lofty wharf informing me of what you know.

[hybrid wolf]

the only random variable used in the entire AI is when deciding who to target

in the itch.io version, and the campaign mode, he never knows the shell unless he uses a MG or it's the last shell
and when he doesn't know the shell he flips a coin to know who to target

[sour tulip]

Another thing worth noting is that there are situations where the Dealer may use adrenaline and then use one of his own items

[hybrid wolf]

in the steam DoN version it's a bit more sophisticated
he has a live counter of the shells and information gathered
if he knows enough about shell position he has code to tell him he knows the entire sequence
and even when he doesn't know the current shell he knows if there are more lives than blanks in play

but
if he doesn't know the shell and there are as many blanks than lives
he will flip a coin

[sour tulip]

I.e. Uses magnifying to see the current round is blank, uses adr to steal an inverter to make it live, and now he sees his handsaw as a valuable tool

[hybrid wolf]

yes because it's determined by validity order

the MG tells it it's blank, so the handsaw is invalid
but the inverter through adrenaline is valid
but now since the shell is live, the handsaw becomes valid

[sour tulip]

Mhm.

[sweet horizon]

why the fuck

i always lose after one double

[hybrid wolf]

skissue

lol

[sweet horizon]

that's 10 hours into the game

am i unlucky

[hybrid wolf]

yes

there is no difficulty increase anywhere

[wispy viper]

Let me just tell you how I've been thinking about it and see if it clears it up bc I feel stupid AF talking to y'all. I thought y'all meant like no matter what, he will use whatever I pull out first and in order but you say if it's not a valid move he will move onto the next item I pulled, right? And if that's not valid, he will go to the third item I pulled?

[hybrid wolf]

you just either play bad, or are unlucky

[sweet horizon]

or both

[hybrid wolf]

which happens when you start playing for long enough

[wispy viper]

I only get lucky, I'm not good at the game. I've learned a lot from everyone here.

[slate estuary]

so the code for the dealer ai is different between itch n steam?

[sweet horizon]

i might need to take a break

[hybrid wolf]

even if there's like a 95% win rate when you play perfectly
you have a 50% chance of not going above 13 consecutive games

[sweet horizon]

my personal best i think is 3-4 doubles

[slate estuary]

yea its a mix of luck and skill

[sweet horizon]

i think i'm just a but unlucky

[slate estuary]

all being good does is increase your odds

[sweet horizon]

today was 3 blanks in a row and 2 live rounds then

like wtf was that

[junior ridge]

It's a mix of luck, skill, memory and strategy

[sweet horizon]

and i had more strange orders

[junior ridge]

Mostly luck though

[slate estuary]

i include those as skills

[junior ridge]

Memory isn't really a choice or something you can train efficiently

I have terrible memory for example

[sweet horizon]

it's just me or everyone plays first round as quick as possible and then after first double we start to think and make strategies

[slate estuary]

considering you always go first, i consider it more so skill since the odds are statistically in your favor

[junior ridge]

When the objective is to get to 1M, the odds aren't in your favour at all

[sweet horizon]

just yes

[slate estuary]

memory actually can be improved through training and practice

i have fairly bad short term memory but its been getting better playing this game

[sweet horizon]

first rounds are always so easy, and then it gets impossible

[junior ridge]

Ah btw, after every third round and a double all the items are kept, so maybe try to plan how they're used next time

[hybrid wolf]

does anyone have a running count of win/loss at a professional level ?
I'd like to know what the actual odds are

[sweet horizon]

btw i always forget about that, thanks

[slate estuary]

it definitely requires some luck since all it takes is one loss and its over. sometimes dealer just gets 2 handsaws and handcuffs then shoots u with 2 lives

alternatively though, you get 4 or less shells its often pretty easy to make it to where the dealer cant even take a turn

[lofty wharf]

i wanna update my helper website to somehow make keeping track of spawn order easier, both for player and dealer. Anyone have any ideas on how to best implement that?

right now the best idea i have is to visually represent each item position on the website with two different 2x4 squares, and allowing the user to color code each item position by clicking on their squares. Then having 8 different colors to choose from

[sweet horizon]

can you give me a link please?

[lofty wharf]

https://ljovynn.github.io/buckshot/main.html

obv nothing like that implemented yet, it just keeps track of shells for you atm

[sweet horizon]

oh, i actually found out about that site half hour ago lmao

please make it mobile friendly

i can't use burner phone feature

[lofty wharf]

you can actually drag the burner phone on mobile

hold it in for a while then begin dragging

i tried making it better but im not good at frontend

[sweet horizon]

when i hold it pops up download image

i tried different browsers too

[lofty wharf]

oh ok

yea i dont know how to make that dissappear without making images uninteractable

[sweet horizon]

i'm not into coding, but maybe making burner phone not an image could help

[hybrid wolf]

ok so if anyone wants to know their winrate :

play a couple of games until you lose
maybe like 10-20
record the number of times you press the double button

take the average, that's your x
then plug it in this formula :
f(x) = 2^(-1/x)

that's your winrate

[lofty wharf]

i have a much lower winrate on my first gauntlet cuz i play riskier and faster

[sweet horizon]

how much do you need to suck to not win for once

no doubling

[hybrid wolf]

yeah but since you're not focused on score, you can play slow

[lofty wharf]

well i am focused on score

[slate estuary]

i kinda wish the game based your score on time either the entire time, or none of the time. its weird that its just for the first set

[hybrid wolf]

I mean if you only focus on winrate

you're not focused on score since your goal is to die eventually

[slate estuary]

feels like an inaccurate measurement then if you fundamentally change how you play

[hybrid wolf]

true

the problem is if you stop because you hit your highscore, that will also affect the calculation

so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

but yeah, neat little formula

[slate estuary]

that curve goes crazy

[hybrid wolf]

I'd say a pro player can consistently hit 1M

[lofty wharf]

i updated it, can you try now and see if it works?

[sweet horizon]

yes wait for it

[hybrid wolf]

first game -> 50k
50k*2 = 100k
100k*2 = 200k
200k*2 = 400k
400k*2 = 800k
800k*2 = 1.6M

overshoot is best because most games don't start at 50k

so they win 6 times in a row consistently
which makes a minimum winrate of... about 90%

[sweet horizon]

maybe it didn't update for me, but it's as it was

[lofty wharf]

damn

[lofty wharf]

Can you try dragging it immediately after starting to hold it?

works on my phone 😭

[sweet horizon]

okay now sometimes it works

oh that's okay, thanks

[lofty wharf]

epic!

[smoky lance]

has anyone got their buckshot roulette vinyl or cassette yet? very excited for mine to arrive

[wispy viper]

I ordered a cassette and wondered the same. Can't wait to get it!

[keen vortex]

yeeee so excting cant wait for yall to get them!!!

[ivory coyote]

i really wanna get the cassette mane.. 💔

[prime gale]

not sure if this is a silly question but does anyone know if there's a way to ease up the flash when you get shot or shoot yourself?

i don't have any epilepsy or anything but i kind of have to look away from the screen just for a brief moment to prevent any strain on the eyes

[rancid urchin]

Wear sunglasses

[sour tulip]

Darken the screen

Or don't be so close by to it

[prime gale]

i'll just take that as no option in game for it LOL

[sour tulip]

In-game, no

Unfortunately

[trim glen]

how the fuck

those are 19 number scores

far beyond the integer limit

[leaden stratus]

no way

No fuckin way

lemmon????

Quaalude lemmon????

[junior ridge]

company*

[leaden stratus]

Lemmon and Rorer made the Quaalude

[bronze olive]

QWUAAAALUUUUDDESSS

ITS LIKE S*X ON THE MOOOON

[west turtle]

Be cool to see in some way shape or form a special round where there is 7 blank rounds and one live round that instantly kills you or the dealer

[leaden stratus]

I don’t wanna do this but we gotta dump the Quaaludes

[sour tulip]

Then it's not an integer

[keen vortex]

ok so I posed this question awhile ago but lets try again with a twist

instead of what item would you add to buckshot and what would it do -

if you could add a specific item from any OTHER game to Buckshot Roulette, what would it be

[cobalt epoch]

Three of them are negative 💀

[hybrid wolf]

hack

none of them are legit

[trim glen]

why is this not fixed

[hybrid wolf]

because it's not easy to fix

like, deleting the scores is tricky to begin with

we don't know the limit of legit scores

[trim glen]

well the scores have 19 numbers

the highest score i have seen is like 2 billion

[hybrid wolf]

and then we don't really have a way to stop them from just

[trim glen]

due to a stack overflow

[hybrid wolf]

hacking their scores back in

[hybrid wolf]

Godot's integers are 64 bits

you are talking about 32 bit limits

it is technically possible to attain those numbers
just... not humanly feasable

[cosmic heron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfztBiPer90 does anyone know if this track is actually in the br files?

[hybrid wolf]

haven't listened to it yet but I don't recognize the title

[rancid urchin]

i would addd ice flower from mario

[hybrid wolf]

it's not from BR, but it might be from another of Mike's games

[cosmic heron]

Some dude was sharing unused tracks about br's tracks and this was one of them. I reuploaded it and i'm just curious if they're making shit up or what lol

[vernal acorn]

wow

[prime gale]

weirder choice from a thematically relevant game, Goobert/Failure from Inscryption
in Kaycee's mod, you get a chance to duplicate one of your cards with a chance that it may not be as powerful as the card you would've duped, so i'd imagine in buckshot roulette you get to duplicate one of the items that you have on your side of the board with the chance of the item not being as good as the original
for example if you get a scuffed expired medicine, you have a 50-50 of healing 2 or taking 2 damage now instead of only 1
or scuffed adrenaline, which just gives you a random item from the dealer's table instead of you choosing for yourself

[prime gale]

🔥

[keen vortex]

oh interesting!

man how chaotic would multiplayer be with those items?

[sonic crown]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-of-fear-cryoffear-beat-up-die-gif-1007755847865621916

I HAD ENOUGH OF 10

[prime gale]

💰 💰 💰

[sonic crown]

...

ur ass dont having that money

give me that

[prime gale]

no way

[sonic crown]

norway

[vernal acorn]

ok

[prime gale]

these 10 bucks? all mine
that's TWO whole garfield karts

[sonic crown]

k i cant force u to gimme

but i can keep continue to say please sooo

plz

gimme that 10 bucks

10 fucking bucks

plzzz

[prime gale]

what do they teach you in mugging class

[sonic crown]

what is mugging

[prime gale]

robbing, thievery, etc

[sonic crown]

also i am sleeping at all the classes so

idk

my lazy ass cant even listen that

[sonic crown]

idk

last thing i remember is uhh

steal something

yeah they say to steal

but according to my book i should be kind

i am even asking dealer to is he want to die or not while i shot him

[gritty marten]

https://tenor.com/view/buckshot-roulette-dealer-pill-koni-death-gif-10914980215256855192

i wasted my money today :)

https://tenor.com/view/im-in-pain-in-pain-smile-in-pain-smile-smiling-gif-18066299585040775223

[prime gale]

i tossed away like 40 bucks on the new elden ring dlc for my bf recently lol

[keen vortex]

^ thats love right there

or...enabling...not sure

[keen vortex]

I know you crosed out the acct number but thats kindof a security risk on our sideee

had to nerf sorry

[prime gale]

lil bit of both
very lowkey wishing he'd play indies more often so gifts wouldn't be so pricy LMAO

[gritty marten]

worst part is i dont know what to buy lol

any reccomendations?

nvm ima just refund and put it into savings

[bronze olive]

thats not even out yet right

[prime gale]

nope, you can prepurchase though

[bronze olive]

ahh

i hope its good

[sonic crown]

idk i wanna buy eu4 w all dlcs

total money waste to 200 hours but

idk

[winter geode]

F for Joey bidden

[sonic crown]

man i need some shit

idk i want to stay on today

i dont wanna behave like a stupid ass white girl

... im so done

nvm how u buckshotting today

... all u rlly live in est

why the fuck no one online, guess no one plays that silly game on asia or they r rlly busy to use dc rn

idk i have free time lime whole day but kinda i like fuck it and binge yt idk

[vernal acorn]

ok

[bronze olive]

I'm in love with you

[kindred meteor]

hello again

[worthy crag]

hey guys any info when is multyplayer coming in buckshot roulette?

[junior ridge]

s o o n

[worthy crag]

ok

[lofty wharf]

before the elder scrolls 6

[junior ridge]

Until we get a fixed date I doubt we'll know when it comes out

[worthy crag]

yep

[junior ridge]

Might release in 2069 for all we know

[worthy crag]

hahahah thx

[slate estuary]

heres how you get the value out of it. you watch him play n see him getting bodied

[cobalt epoch]

Before GTA vi

[prime gale]

i already do that for the base game 😭

[slate estuary]

now he's gonna get bodied even HARDER

soulsborne games dlcs are typically harder than the base game

i been trying to get my gf to play dark souls

[hot cloak]

just settle for 1080p, 4k is REALLY demanding

[sonic crown]

what

why

i am just a how u can describe attention seeker lazy needless something idk

they dont let me describe myself...

[slate estuary]

what is bro wafflin on about

[sacred kestrel]

hey how to contribute to buckshot roulette translations?

I'd like to add an Arabic Translation [RTL Writing]

[bronze olive]

B/c u amuse me

[ashen cairn]

has anything been said about a mac version? I own the game and play on steam deck but it would be quite epic to play on my computer

[quiet heron]

kinda weird to say to someone I presume you don't know

.ω.

[bronze olive]

@junior ridge 🤷

Doesn't matter to me, I'm only here for Buckshot and silly

[manic wyvern]

You are my clown. Amuse me…..

[bronze olive]

EXACTLY.

[manic wyvern]

If you don’t make us laugh I have you executed by brass bull

[quiet heron]

isn't it brazen bull?

I mean yeh it's made of brass

[keen vortex]

dang, the threats today feeling a little 6th century BCE

[manic wyvern]

Barrel of shame for you.

[manic wyvern]

To the breaking wheel with you boy

[winter geode]

how abt you kiss me

[bronze olive]

okay :3

we're both arg kittens so its Fine

[winter geode]

😨

[tawdry otter]

#│nightclub message

[winter geode]

Fuark im steamin

7am just finished jiu jistu

Time for cold plunge n hot box

[winter geode]

damn

this chat is dead as fuck

https://tenor.com/view/dead-chat-dead-chat-skeleton-gif-25954239

[winter geode]

Silence

what the hell

another weird video abt dementia

why has dementia suddenly become so popular in horror

[winter geode]

It has?

[warm turret]

the caretaker

specifically his series of albums everywhere at the end of time, which attempts to show what the progression of dementia is like in audio form

[vernal monolith]

I think the best horror depiction of the subject I've seen was in Visage. It was really creepy there

[hushed steeple]

Number 5 let’s go I was like the 5th person to buy one or something

[slate estuary]

maybe because its a very real thing that can happen to people and is very sad. many have love ones get dementia and it can be sad, scary, frustrating, ect. plus people are kinda like a collection of memories, we are our experiences, so losing those memories feels like losing apart of ourselves

[bronze olive]

Zoomer memes when people are sleeping or working

[bronze olive]

??? Is it JRRMA HAHS

[winter geode]

Soyjerma

[fringe star]

guys s it possible to get it on steam if u already have it on itch

[winter geode]

Nupe

[fringe star]

oh ok

[winter geode]

https://tenor.com/view/eric-andre-troll-pay-the-toll-adult-swim-gif-1283237729404980678

Pay the toll

[junior ridge]

Why'd you ping me wha

I'm extremely confused rn

[sonic crown]

i am not a creep so

there is no problem

i wont stalk him to entire life

[junior ridge]

Can we just switch topic

[bronze olive]

Oh that was An accident I just realized I did the wrong person. Im sorry

[junior ridge]

It's ok

[winter geode]

yes i see it all the damn time, i know people who never shut up about it either lol

[winter geode]

oh yeah i've listened to that before

[winter geode]

Its a concept like any other

[slate estuary]

thats what they all say

[manic wyvern]

Somewhere between butch and jerma

[uncut ruin]

Any idea on how the time starts on initial round of double or nothing?

[night marsh]

It starts when you sign the waiver

[willow flame]

hi

if i have buckshot roulette in itch.io, i also have to buy it on Steam or they give it to you for free on Steam for having it on itch.io?

[junior ridge]

#│server-feedback message

[willow flame]

thanks bro

[lavish rivet]

hey guys, to get the v1.2.2 update in itch.io page it says that i need to uninstall the game, but how do i uninstall it?

[winter geode]

Is there buckshot roulette vr???

[winter geode]

no

[winter geode]

but there is a mod https://github.com/MSLaFaver/BuckshotRouletteMods?tab=readme-ov-file#virtualreality-setup

shout to buckwheat sucrette for sharing it with me

[opal shale]

🗣️

[winter geode]

what does it do

[hybrid wolf]

if you ever wonder if an item you came up with needs to be refined, there's a simple test
try to put it in this situation:
1 live 1 blank, the player has your item, the dealer has nothing
(if 1-1 doesn't make sense for your item, increase the number of shells symmetrically until it fits)
exact number of charges is irrelevant, we just need the difference between the two, assume player and dealer have the same amount, and they can lose or win an infinite amount of charges

now find out the expected score when you use the item on the first shell and shoot the dealer
expected score is defined as the mean of the number of player charges minus the number of dealer charges, with the probability of the outcome being used as a coefficient

if the expected score is between 0 and +1, your item is fine
if the item is supposed to deal damage or heal the player, 0 is bad, it means it doesn't change the outcome, buff it
if it falls under 0, the item hurts more than it helps, buff it
if it falls above +1, the item is OP, nerf it

example use case for the handsaw :

use handsaw, shoot dealer
  1/2 shell is live
    score +2
  1/2 shell is blank
    dealer shoots player
      score -1
expected score = (+2)*1/2 + (-1)*1/2 = +0.5

why +1 ? because that's the expected score of cigarettes

[lofty wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-edit-i-saw-what-you-edited-i-saw-gif-27672816

[hybrid wolf]

lol

yeah

expected optimal score of all current items :

• adrenaline: on its own 0
• beer: +0.5
• burner phone: +1
• cigarette pack: +1
• expired medicine: +0.5
• handcuffs: +1
• handsaw: +0.5
• inverter: 0
• magnifying glass: +1

[lofty wharf]

why does dealer never use phone at 2 shells left

like bruh thats when its the best 😭

[hybrid wolf]

very good question

x)

the code just blocks the option

for no good reason

I guess it might be because it breaks the random value function

but just add a condition

like I think asking the function to give a random int between 1 and 1 is illegal

[junior ridge]

It could be for balancing purposes as well

[hybrid wolf]

unlikely

[junior ridge]

Eh, that's a good question to ask Mike about tbh

Isn't there going to be a QnA soon?

[hybrid wolf]

no clue

[junior ridge]

I think they mentioned it somewhere

[hybrid wolf]

but yeah, stop the phone from being used if you know the shell, which happens when there's only 1 shell left anyway so no need to block the 1 shell case
and then add an if nb_shells > 2, if true use the random number generator, if false return 1

[slate estuary]

what do yall thinkk the best item is

[carmine flame]

adrenaline

[lofty wharf]

adrenaline

[hybrid wolf]

well adrenaline is very versatile
technically speaking all the items scale pretty badly
except cigarettes
they stay at +1 consistently

[sour tulip]

Universally, adrenaline.

But it very much depends on the situation

Every single item has their times to shine

[raw star]

after adrenaline it still gotta be mag glass. After that phone, then saw, then cigs, then cuffs, then inverter, then beer, then medicine. that’s my ranking

[sour tulip]

Cigs?

[raw star]

Hate it when dealer has adrenaline

Oh oops forgot about them

Above cuffs, below saw

[sour tulip]

Gotta use your own items smartly

[carmine flame]

medicine def one of the worst ones though

[sour tulip]

Medicine is not good for you most of the time, but that's also its own unique benefit

[raw star]

Fr, its buff saved it from being cataclysmically bad but it’s still niche and not relatively viable

[sour tulip]

If you want a surefire way to get rid of the Dealer's adrenaline, keep it on the table

He loves those

[carmine flame]

yeah but they also upped the odds so if the dealer steals it he has a higher chance of regaining 2 charges 😔

[raw star]

It’d be cool if its health increase could make you go over the health limit. If medicine did that I’d start using it way more

[sour tulip]

Sure but that's also your medicine gone

And the Dealer's adrenaline gone

I'd take that still

Especially if you try to time it in a way where the Dealer has only 1 charge to regain from it

As a result I don't want medicine buffed

I think it's in a good spot strategy-wise

Even if using it yourself is niche currently

[winter geode]

I would say adrenaline then cuffs then inverter thats my top 3 best items list me personally

[sour tulip]

Magnifying is better than inverter

At the least

[winter geode]

I mean they are all good for their own reasons tbh meds is just cra crab

[slate estuary]

inverter is my favorite item

[lofty wharf]

i love it when dealer is at 1 hp then game gives me 3 handsaws in a row 😃

[winter geode]

Also i feel like would be good to have an item in the future that removes a random item on the opponents side to balance out adrenaline stacking

[winter geode]

Lol

Also when you have like 3 or 2 beer cans that can really help sometimes

Opinions on the expired meds?

Its like last resort item lol

[winter geode]

Literally all it's useful for.

But if your feeling “lucky” and the max health limit is 4 and your on 2 then yeh go for it

Its just crazy that dealer consumes meds whenever he can lol except 1 hp

But sometimes that just drags out the fight or sometimes speeds it up

[winter geode]

That's why it's my least used item.

I honestly think being on 3 hp max for a round is probably the best then would go 2 hp 3 hp is quick less risky if something bad happens 4 is just the worst lol

Im really curious what your typing out salt god lol

Ill wait all gud no rush

[winter geode]

Bluds typing every single strategy in Buckshot Roulette.

[sour tulip]

For me (on average)

#1: Adrenaline (Basically can act as any item in the game, also can remove items you don't want the Dealer to use)
#2: Handcuffs (The only item that lets you shoot twice, allowing it to get rid of a live while still being your turn and stacks extremely well with other items)
#3: Magnifying Glass (You know it, you love it, just make sure to not use it if the info it gives won't change who you aim the gun at)
#4: Burner Phone (Sometimes better than the above since it can improve your odds for more shells, but more often just a discounted version of it)
#5: Cigarette (Nothing quite beats this outside of...)
#6: Handsaw (Reliant on prior information, but very rewarding to the point where it had to get patched out of the first box on 2-charge rounds)
#7: Inverter (Semi-reliant on prior information, but has multiple uses)
8: Beer (Great for getting rid of live rounds and it still being your turn, making the Dealer not get the gun, and improving Burner Phone functionality, but usually Inverter gets the job done better.)
9.) Expired Medicine (Outside of times where losing a charge matters absolutely none/having no choice but to use it + it being a good candidate to waste Dealer's adrenaline, it's definitely niche and the worst item.)

[winter geode]

Niiice ill read alll of that in a sec

[leaden ruin]

too much reading

[winter geode]

Anyway i gotta get going BUT will screenshot that

[winter geode]

Understandable but salt god is a god for a reason

[sour tulip]

Oh

Oh no

[winter geode]

What

[sour tulip]

[leaden ruin]

huh

[winter geode]

What?

[leaden ruin]

he died

[winter geode]

Rip

[leaden ruin]

I'll bet

[winter geode]

Anyway bye

[winter geode]

God used the hand saw before the magnifying glass. 😔

[lofty wharf]

beer is better than phone fr 🔥

[sour tulip]

Uhhh no

Not to say it never is

But on average phone is definitely better

Though they do pair nicely together 👍

[bronze olive]

Phone sucks

[sour tulip]

Then you are definitely not using it correctly

[lofty wharf]

the average phone doesnt help

[winter geode]

Unless it's 1-1.

[sour tulip]

The average phone does more than the average beer

That's just facts

[winter geode]

Salt god i read your paragraph and loved it

[hybrid wolf]

going from 1-1 to 4-4 :

• adrenaline: 0 -> 0
• beer: +0.5 -> +0.5
• burner phone: +1 -> +0.46
• cigarette pack: +1 -> +1
• expired medicine: +0.5 -> +0.5
• handcuffs: +1 -> +1
• handsaw: +0.5 -> +0.5
• inverter: 0 -> 0
• magnifying glass: +1 -> +0.57

[winter geode]

Thank u god for sharing yo insights

[sour tulip]

It's a magnifying glass for a future round, which means it changes the odds for the rounds before it just like a beer does, while also acting as that magnifying glass still when it does get to that round

[lofty wharf]

common beer W

[winter geode]

Yoo airis and salt god are like the 2 experts of this groupchat

[winter geode]

Fax

[lofty wharf]

yeah cool too bad it will go to the dealers shell

[sour tulip]

Thanks

[sour tulip]

Ok, and?

[hybrid wolf]

don't take those scores as absolutes tho
it doesn't take things like actual life limitations into account

[lofty wharf]

so its useless

[hybrid wolf]

so pills are ass

[sour tulip]

You therefore know more what the Dealer's gonna do

Play that to your advantage

If you think knowing what shells the Dealer has is useless, you're not quite at the top level yet my friend

[winter geode]

I can kinda see now.

Let's say there's a live round that only the dealer would be able to do anything with unless you already knew that shell, and if he shoots you, it'll kill you. With the knowledge, you could possibly find a way to prevent the dealer from getting to that shell. (unless you have nothing, then you're f**ked.)

Hope that makes sense-

[sour tulip]

Mhm!

[lofty wharf]

if i dont have other items to change the order, or dont have a situation where i can make him shoot himself, whats the value of knowing hes gonna hit a live

[sour tulip]

Then don't use the burner phone

Simple as

I wouldn't use the beer there either

[hybrid wolf]

I just have a bot to do those kinds of calculations lmao

[tawdry otter]

https://youtu.be/CblZIoXzV44

[hybrid wolf]

oooooo

[sour tulip]

That's an odd thing to make VR but cool

[tawdry otter]

I think it only works on v1.1 rn though, and you need BRML

[lofty wharf]

what if dealer has adrenaline, or its a high shell count low charge round. no point in saving it. and thats the problem with it, in the situations where youre most vulnerable, thats also where phone is often useless

[tawdry otter]

So first itch.io copies without the new DoN items

[sour tulip]

Ok

Beer is not good there either

I don't know how to tell you this

There are absolutely situations where certain items are great, pills have times where they're the best pick

But on average the burner phone is, in my opinion, the #4 item to have

[lofty wharf]

ok i was memeing a bit with the beer

but i think theyre very close in terms of value

[sour tulip]

I believe so too

[winter geode]

Smh just use gods waiver.

[sour tulip]

#2-#8 are all easily shuffable

Okay maybe not Handcuffs

[lofty wharf]

and mags

[hybrid wolf]

ok that's really cool
buuut
it would be amazing if you could add actual VR mechanics
like, you grab items, it gives a description, and you press a button confirm you want to use it
and for the shotgun, you grab it with both hands, it's guided based on your hands positions (there's a few VR gun games that do exactly that)
to shoot you pull the trigger on the hand that's on it
and to decide on the target you have to actually aim at the dealer or at your head
(the game would block the trigger unless the gun is in a valid position)

[sour tulip]

Magnifying Glass does have times where it ends up being less worthwhile than the others

Even the burner phone on occasion

But yeah it's usually the best of those options

[hybrid wolf]

or instead of a button press, maybe do the actual gesture
break the MG, swallow the pill, drink the beer, hand the handcuffs, cut the barrel, etc

[sour tulip]

Throws knife at dealer

[winter geode]

I'd like to imagine you'd actually have to break the magnifying glass on the table and then pick up the shotgun to see the shell.

[hybrid wolf]

I'm aware it's a lot of work
but jesus christ that would be cool

[tawdry otter]

That may be possible, but from the discussion it sounds like a steep uphill battle to make, especially as a mod

[hybrid wolf]

yeah I'm very aware

[sour tulip]

As a mod to the game I don't think it's worth doing over the payoff

[hybrid wolf]

I think starting with the shotgun tracking would be a good start
the rest is just flavour
but to translate the sheer horror of the game effectively, you need to actually hold a gun and pull the trigger inside your mouth

[tawdry otter]

If someone pulls it off I can see a lot of VR headsets/users bumping into things when the Dealer shoots them first

Like this, but with jumping back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP1PDSv3JWk

[hybrid wolf]

maybe ask the players to sit down

it's not a game where you need to move anyway

[winter geode]

Unless it's free roam-ish.

[hybrid wolf]

I would doubt so
the original game literally only has 3 player positions

[tawdry otter]

Finally, a version where I can really poke the Dealer with the barrel

[winter geode]

4 if you count the car.

[hybrid wolf]

that's a cutscene

[junior ridge]

The game can't really be free roam anyways

The game locks you on one side of the table, that's it

[hybrid wolf]

but yeah :
make the players sit down
maybe actually add a chair in game to add to the realism
that way they're less likely to hurt themselves in a game where the player literally stays at a table anyway

and add gun holding tracking to effectively translate the intent of the OG game

item interactions can come later

at least I think that's the best direction to take the mod in

[junior ridge]

Tbh I don't think it can be implemented in a mod, but we'll see

It's more likely the game will be recreated from scratch by fans with VR controls

[hybrid wolf]

it's definitely possible
but it does require to change the entire gun mechanics

if you really need an easy start :
change the center screen cursor to be a finger cursor
that shouldn't be too hard

[tawdry otter]

What is the engine most VR games are made in anyways? Unreal, Unity?

[hybrid wolf]

it's basically a ray intersection detection with static boxes

[hybrid wolf]

I think Unreal

[junior ridge]

Don't really know, but most likely unreal

Unity doesn't really like high quality 3D

May be some other engine though

[hybrid wolf]

but yeah, I think the current cursor already is a ray intersection detection anyway, right ?
just with the headset
so it shouldn't be too hard to move it on the hand

[junior ridge]

Maybe the only problematic thing would be the camera

[hybrid wolf]

how so ?

[sour tulip]

Unreal for sure

Besides, Unity has kinda made themselves meh for eternity after what they did

[hybrid wolf]

very true

[junior ridge]

The camera itself wouldn't be a problem, more the athmosphere created by the original camera

[hybrid wolf]

because like, the way I see the cursor currently working is this :
the camera position and rotation is copied directly from the headset
the ray interesction is made from the camera position and rotation
how hard would it be to take this exact code, and just plop it onto the dominant hand instead ?

[junior ridge]

I think the other main problem would be how the camera interacts with in-game objects

Like, what would happen if you were to insert your head in the table?

[random veldt]

wen the multieplayer coming ?

[hybrid wolf]

you phase through it, like 99% of VR games

[junior ridge]

Eh, true

[hybrid wolf]

just add code to make the screen go black

[junior ridge]

I'm overthinking it lol

[random veldt]

its will be very fun if i can play mulitplayer

[junior ridge]

s o o n

[random veldt]

i know but it will take a mounth or what

[junior ridge]

Probably will have to wait until the end of the year

If not until next year

[random veldt]

i dont thingh it will take this long of time

[tawdry otter]

End of post #│faq message

[random veldt]

becuse the game make big sales and evryone want mulit player

[tawdry otter]

Bro the dev is working solo, even if he has access to a small QA team now through the publisher.
Also the leaderboard is a bit of a mess rn, imagine if multi releases without being designed to resist more cheating

[winter geode]

adds VR support so you can play it in VR

[winter geode]

no offense but do you spell check your messages?

[junior ridge]

It's not really nice to point out someone's lack of language skills :v

[hybrid wolf]

ah fuck the mod is a 1.1.0 version

[random veldt]

Well, English isn't my native language, and I don't use a google translator.

[winter geode]

fair enough

[keen vortex]

yall can spellcheck me all you want - but please be kind to fellow server members, they're doing their best and words are hard sometimes. Heck, english is my native language and I mess up daily lol

[sonic crown]

its not my native but i am like uhh, talk with it more than my native somehow idk, it still seems hard to me sometimes just my grammar fucks up or i cant find a word to describe something

also srry for ping, i just forgot to not to ping u while responding but... my memory capacity is lower than an ant's

[keen vortex]

hahaha honestly, the other day I couldnt remember the word "pasture" and said "oh look! a cow orchard!"

and dw you're allowed to ping me cause I work with our mods!

but I appreciate it