pvp

[foggy ravine]

he doesn't need to swap to NF to get kills

[green valve]

yea def not

just work on communication with your healer

"i have berserk/cds/dmg in ten seconds do you have cc for healer?

"ok fear healer stunning going"

[arctic rivet]

the best weapons is staff right?

2h weapons for balance convoke druids?

[tulip falcon]

Yes

you need a trinket from BFA last raid, cant remember name of it

[snow ore]

Is it the wrathion trinket? For the speed?

[tulip falcon]

ye that's the one

it acts as a glider

not sure specifically how it's done since i've not done as i don't have the trinket but i've seen the guardian on the top eu team do it

and its like a legit 1 sec on cap interrupt so has to be specific

[arctic rivet]

I finished the night fae story

tbh I really love the Night Fae a lot that would be my personal heaven/afterlife if I was in WoW

[tardy hare]

https://gyazo.com/33aa4eac7d1d7927a6693220d41723f3

[surreal heron]

god

[arctic rivet]

that poor boomy

[tulip falcon]

probably a 2600 boomkin this season

[arctic rivet]

even as Horde I still kinda feel bad

[haughty compass]

LOL

Convoke rerollers in a nutshell

[stray thorn]

just swapped to feral from boomie for arenas, with fearful symmetry leggo, do you still put dots in your opener before biting or is it just about getting bites out asap?

[pallid vessel]

rake > rip > berserk > TF > FF > bites is a good super burst opener with symmetry

[junior plover]

Yep^

But opening with rake stun on someone you wanna berserk on feels really weird to me

[arctic rivet]

ok so...

I need some help

[junior plover]

By the time you rip FF

They're about to be out of your stun

[pallid vessel]

thats why u play night elf like a true pimp and restealth rake stun half

[junior plover]

That sounds even worse

[arctic rivet]

is it worth getting the conquest weapon first? tho I just got the covenant campaign weapon which is a 187 ilvl and has verse

[junior plover]

[safe heart]

can just save beerserk for later

[junior plover]

I like raking the off target

[safe heart]

ppl might reflex trinket or something for nothing

[junior plover]

Gives my priest time to catch up

[arctic rivet]

the sinful glad is 200 ilvl is it worth getting the wep first or get the armor pieces first?

[stray sigil]

better off doing rake rip tf ff zerk i think

[junior plover]

Get weapon

[stray sigil]

hmm

[junior plover]

Same thing

[stray sigil]

maybe not actually

[junior plover]

[pallid vessel]

i almost want to run a night of games where i just rake > convoke and force something instantly

[stray sigil]

na its not the same

[pallid vessel]

then do the zerk go off of stun dr

[stray sigil]

he zerks before ff i zerk after ff

think its faster maybe

not sure

zerk off gcd

[junior plover]

Zerk off GCD so

It's same

You get marginally longer zerk

[stray sigil]

i suppose its better his way actually

[junior plover]

If you do it after ff

[stray sigil]

cuz u get longer tf

[junior plover]

Yeah

[stray sigil]

havent played sym in a minute

[junior plover]

Well

Best would be to zerk just before first bite

So u get max tf and zerk

U can do it during FF gcd

[stray sigil]

i mean thats what i wrote wasnt it

zerk after the ff

[junior plover]

Ah ye I'm cracked

Ye ye

It's marginally better

But who cares about extra 0.3s of zerk

It's a shit cd

[stray sigil]

i still dont get why they removed the ernergy reduc

but oh well

[pallid vessel]

the fact that combust is a 1min cd in pvp

and zerk is 3m

is something

[tulip falcon]

the current state of the game overall is sure something to behold

[junior plover]

Tbh

If zerk was 1 min cd

And symmetry stayed the same

Feral would be so absurd

Almost arms tier

[stray sigil]

zerk has no place being a 3min cd

[junior plover]

Yep

[stray sigil]

what other cd is 3min?

[tulip falcon]

2 min would make sense

[stray sigil]

ascendance and like

blades?

both are giga better

[pallid vessel]

ashen hollow is in the same tier but a bit longer

[junior plover]

2 min would be so nice

Also can u imagine

They just HAD

To nerf symmetry

[tulip falcon]

anything lower would be a bit busted

[stray sigil]

ashen is 1.5 isnt it

[junior plover]

And we have arms running around like

[pallid vessel]

ashen is 4m

[junior plover]

[stray sigil]

but i mean

ashen is so much better

of a cd

not really comparable

[pallid vessel]

yeah its not even comparable

but the CD is close

[tulip falcon]

bro idk im not even trying to even think about the state of balancing atm

[pallid vessel]

im on ur side

[junior plover]

Guardian Spirit literally resurects you

Every 3 min

And can be used every minute if it doesn't

[pallid vessel]

berserk does make shred hit a lil harder tho

dont u forget it

[junior plover]

And we get 2cp on bite

Isn't Cauterize 3 min

No

[stray sigil]

i lowkey think

[junior plover]

It's like 5

[stray sigil]

that venthyr ability

shoulda been what zer kis

[junior plover]

Stop

[stray sigil]

without the drawbacks maybe

[junior plover]

Venthyr shill

[pallid vessel]

im a traitor tho i play my arms alt like 100% more than i play my druid atm

its so chill

[stray sigil]

na but like venthyr ability

feels likea better zerk

if it doesnt stun u

and shit

[junior plover]

True

I mean

[tulip falcon]

replace incarn with something new and make baseline berserk do what incarn does

[junior plover]

Idk for pve current zerk sorta makes sense but

[tulip falcon]

ez clap

[junior plover]

It's still too long cd

[stray sigil]

they shoulda made incarn baseline

[tulip falcon]

or that

[stray sigil]

and did something else

[junior plover]

Even incarn

Is shit

[stray sigil]

now incarn is dead content

all it does it 1 re

and 20% reduc

lol

[tulip falcon]

ye

[junior plover]

Yeah the 20% redux

[stray sigil]

literally garbage

[junior plover]

Does nothing

[stray sigil]

u cant feel 20%

[pallid vessel]

even boomkins 3m celestial is a cringe cooldown.. 3 minutes and it gives you 20% haste

thats it

[junior plover]

They should just make berserk a 2 minute cd 15% dmg increase

[tulip falcon]

no reason it should be a talent on that tier

[junior plover]

So we can have the trifecta

[stray sigil]

but its nothing new feels like blizzard never knows what to do with feral

[junior plover]

I mean boomie incarn is actually wild

[tulip falcon]

yea thats pretty much been the way forever

[junior plover]

Guardian berserk makes you not spend rage

And we get 1 restealth

[tulip falcon]

last time i liked feral spec design was mop even aside from all the various busted shit at points

[junior plover]

I mean feral feels good to play now tho

It's just

Weird

[tulip falcon]

it's ok

better than bfa at least

[stray sigil]

we had a perfectly fine design

of being a bleed based spec

[tulip falcon]

yea which was like mop

[junior plover]

And we do again

[stray sigil]

that bites every so often

[junior plover]

NECRO DREAM

[stray sigil]

but blizzard decided

fuck it

na

[junior plover]

NECRO DREAM

[tulip falcon]

wod was when they made it some ape instant damage spec

[stray sigil]

necro not remotely close

[clear pulsar]

Early legion

[stray sigil]

to mop lvl of bleeds

[junior plover]

I know

[stray sigil]

like in mop u get a rip on someone

[tulip falcon]

even legion wasn't the same as mop really

[stray sigil]

its literally

game over

[junior plover]

Rips were like 70% hp

[tulip falcon]

bro i used to duel warriors and kill them with nothing but rip dmg and kiting

was funny aff

[stray sigil]

rip was fucking hp

but idk they decided we had to be a bite only spec ig

[clear pulsar]

Yeah but I would place the TOS talent rework as the real shifting point where stuff like sabertooth started becoming meta and they flat out nerfed bleed damage basically @tulip falcon

[stray sigil]

literally doubling down on it too

with tfb conduit like

lol

i swear every feral i talk to

would rather have mop design

over this

[junior plover]

We just need a bleed conduit

[stray sigil]

u have one

rip conduit

KEK

[junior plover]

[tulip falcon]

it was sorta like a shift in WoD to instant damage, then back to a bit early in legion, then BFA it went full meme

[clear pulsar]

More energy = more bites

More energy isn't more bleeds lol

[stray sigil]

i did like wod too

think wod was a perfect balance

[junior plover]

Bite should be adding damage to dots on top of duration

[stray sigil]

of bite and bleed actually

[junior plover]

So your rips

After a while

Fucking DESTROY

[clear pulsar]

Sabertooth shouldn't exist at all

[stray sigil]

sbt kinda makes our spec atm

i swear play without sbt in pvp

[tulip falcon]

bro actually you know running lunar inspiration when it was good for that one season (in wod i think?) was fun

[stray sigil]

u feel like u do no dam

was bfa ss1

[junior plover]

I mean cassidy played li

[stray sigil]

with bt

[junior plover]

You can definitely do it

[stray sigil]

but was cuz of raking ferocity

and shit

[clear pulsar]

LI was good for a long time in pvp cuz it didn't compete with sabertooth for talent tier until 8.1

[tulip falcon]

i remember using old bloodtalons and just using LI to generate points cos it didn't consume it

was actually fun

[clear pulsar]

And sabertooth competed with some better talents until 7.3

[stray sigil]

ya u would regrowth

spam moonfire to 5

rake bite

[tulip falcon]

yea lol

[stray sigil]

cuz of raking ferocity

[junior plover]

I really think the idea of bite being the primary spender can be salvaged if they wanna go in that direction

[stray sigil]

i still wish i played more feral in wod

[junior plover]

We just need the rip to grow bigger the longer it's extended

[tulip falcon]

the only dumb thing with feral in wod tbh was the rake spam

[clear pulsar]

Stop bro

[stray sigil]

the incarn ?

[clear pulsar]

Extending rip with bite is some sad shit

[stray sigil]

na i think that was super nice actually

[junior plover]

I know

[stray sigil]

u had a dance on 3min cd

[junior plover]

But if they want it to be part of feral

[stray sigil]

i dont see how it was that bad lol

[junior plover]

At least make the bleed hurt

In pvp it's an interesting design at least

If the feral sits on you for too long

[tulip falcon]

sabertooth sorta felt like a crutch

[junior plover]

You literally bleed out

[stray sigil]

but incarn fucked way more in wod cuz u had ravage

and not garbage shred

[tulip falcon]

yea

wait wasn't wod when they removed ravage

i remember they removed pounce

thought shred just did a lot more dmg whilst in stealth

than it does atm

[stray sigil]

pretty sure ravage got deleted in wod

like in legion wasnt a thing anymore

[pallid vessel]

"The subject of this article was removed from World of Warcraft after the Warlords of Draenor opened the Dark Portal."

[tulip falcon]

yea i thought it wasnt in wod either

need to check

[stray sigil]

but i think pounce got deleted after mop

[junior plover]

Patch 6.0.2 (2014-10-14): Removed, but its effects has been incorporated into Spell shadow vampiricaura.png [Shred].

[pallid vessel]

so it was removed at the start of wod

[tulip falcon]

yea thought so

[stray sigil]

hm

[tulip falcon]

but i think shred did like way more stealth dmg

[stray sigil]

so shred did way more or something

[tulip falcon]

think it was 40%

[stray sigil]

cuz like no way it did ucrrent amount of dmg like

i remember it fucked in wod

or actually

[junior plover]

WoD-Logo-Small.png Hotfix (2015-03-11): "Shred now deals 20% more damage while stealthed (down from 35%)."

[stray sigil]

were ppl playing incarn

since u had werewolf form

was that on same tier

[tulip falcon]

nah shirv was last tier with bloodtalons

[stray sigil]

are u sure

[tulip falcon]

ye

i played bloodtalons to not use shirv

[junior plover]

Last tier shred was already nerfed

[stray sigil]

maybe im miss remembering wod and thinking of mop incarn

[tulip falcon]

probably

mop had ravage and it did dummy dmg

and with incarn you just spammed it

[clear pulsar]

So what I'm hearing is we need a pvp talent that buffs dot damage by 30% and nerfs direct damage by 30%

[stray sigil]

had a free ravage every like 30 too i think

cuz of set bonus

[tulip falcon]

yep

[junior plover]

Actually sick talent

[tulip falcon]

wod had incarn cos thats where the rake spam came from

[junior plover]

But sounds unplayable

[stray sigil]

dude 30% more dot dmg for 30% less bite dmg

[clear pulsar]

Not at all

[tulip falcon]

whilst everyone ran shirv

[stray sigil]

will never be worth it

[clear pulsar]

Large large large FF damage

[stray sigil]

not rn

[clear pulsar]

Legit FFing people for 70% of their hp

[junior plover]

I think we need like 45%

[stray sigil]

30% of 9k

[clear pulsar]

????

[stray sigil]

isnt gonna make it a 40k dot

[junior plover]

45% for 30% bite

[clear pulsar]

Bro I've had 20k FFs right now

Easily

[junior plover]

Remember you lose

Pvp talent

For this

[clear pulsar]

Yeah lose fero wound

Not a big deal

[tulip falcon]

i haven't played in like 2 months

[junior plover]

Hmmm

[stray sigil]

wound is kinda large

[tulip falcon]

is ff the only way now or some shit

[junior plover]

I mean

FF was always the only way

But only necro fd

Ff

Deals large damagg

[clear pulsar]

I can tell you skipped too many days of school to play wow. Max hp being 40k rn, 70% is 28k. I've had 20k FFs with AS, buff that by 30% it's 26k. Not even close to what you're making it out to be.

[junior plover]

Necro is still low key a meme

[stray sigil]

20k ffs with swarm already right

[clear pulsar]

Yeah with swarm

Of course

[stray sigil]

and full critting

like

[clear pulsar]

No lmao

[stray sigil]

ur not gonna do insane dmg

[clear pulsar]

I have like 10% crit

[stray sigil]

i plaeyd necro ff like 12h in 2s in 2 days

most of the time was like

14ks

[junior plover]

We need to organize some large scale operation to flood 9.1 PTR with a request for a bleed pvp talent

It may actually be possible

[tulip falcon]

lol

[clear pulsar]

Bro I don't shut you down with bullshit when you come talking about vampire cat wtf

[stray sigil]

20k sounds like u crit a lot

[junior plover]

Since they're redoing pvp talents

[tulip falcon]

make rip and tear also do more damage

[stray sigil]

u did shut me down

u whore

[junior plover]

[clear pulsar]

Yeah but then I believed

It's a process

[junior plover]

🥺

[stray sigil]

dont believe him

he is full of it

he never believes

[junior plover]

Lovers' quarrel

[stray sigil]

nop hes brazilian

from ragnaros

[clear pulsar]

[junior plover]

[stray sigil]

jajaja motherfucker

[junior plover]

At least he's not ruski

[stray sigil]

true

@lime light is actually disugsting communist

[junior plover]

He's fake ruski tho

[stray sigil]

nop

really ruski

from poland

[junior plover]

Tfw you're polish

At least not brazilian

[stray sigil]

disgusting eu teeth ferals

[tulip falcon]

ye polish people always deliver my pizza on time

they are good people

[stray sigil]

tian is not a good person

trust me

[junior plover]

Me and tian will DOMINATE tbc

You will kneel

[tulip falcon]

they probably also built my house

[stray sigil]

is he playing tbc

[junior plover]

Yes

On my server apparently

[stray sigil]

r u guys coming na or waht

triple feral 3s

[junior plover]

Feral is basically healer already

Might just work out

[tulip falcon]

really curious to see how tbc arena goes

now that people actually keybind and have brains

[junior plover]

I'm not curious because I already know

Kitty cleave

With some resto invest

Easiest glad of my life

[stray sigil]

if i get glad o ntheir

do i get mount ON RETAIL BRO

[junior plover]

Good luck polymorphing the healer rmp

When I'm healing

And poly immune

It was meant to be

[junior plover]

No

[stray sigil]

fuck

[tulip falcon]

imagine

[stray sigil]

vengeful gladiator fuji

[clear pulsar]

In tbc I hear you can shapeshift while polyd and it breaks the poly

[stray sigil]

[junior plover]

Yes

[foggy ravine]

ya

[junior plover]

That's what I mean

It's crazy stufd

[foggy ravine]

shapeshifting OP

[stray sigil]

i need to go to the most dead server

[foggy ravine]

but costs mana

[stray sigil]

and get r1

[junior plover]

But you can just play rdru

[foggy ravine]

oom after like 5 shifts

[junior plover]

Nahh

Well

[tulip falcon]

powershift oops shit im oom guys

[foggy ravine]

memeing but ya

[junior plover]

Maybe for rdru idk

Deep feral can shift for days

[foggy ravine]

no gcd on the shift either

[junior plover]

Not sure where natural shapeshifter is

[foggy ravine]

powershift for energy

[junior plover]

In tbc tree

[tulip falcon]

there was no gcd on shift until wod or legion i think

[stray sigil]

GIMME

WOTLK SERVER

BRO

ARPEN FERAL

[junior plover]

They will

[stray sigil]

3.35

[junior plover]

In like 3 years

[stray sigil]

IT IS THE WAY

[junior plover]

Can't wait tbh

And eventually we probably get mop feral

[stray sigil]

ZERK IMMUNE TO FEAR

CYA IDIOT LOCKS

[tulip falcon]

hell id even play cata feral

i enjoyed that

[junior plover]

I have no clue what feral was in cata

[tulip falcon]

no one ever talks about cata but i actually liked it

[junior plover]

But I'll play every feral

[stray sigil]

wasnt cata

like we cant break roots

anymore

with shifts

[junior plover]

Deep feral is super fun in vanilla pvp too

[tulip falcon]

yea but you had instant clone

and frenzied regen

[stray sigil]

nop

[tulip falcon]

which was completely busted

[stray sigil]

no break root

no good

weird

[tulip falcon]

you could still shift slows i think

[stray sigil]

not for me

[tulip falcon]

instant clone was the most giga busted thing ever

[stray sigil]

cata frost maqge by far most op class

and cant break roots

[tulip falcon]

godcomp in cata

[junior plover]

Didn't cata healers get dispells tho

For your roots

[tulip falcon]

yes

dispel wasnt gimped yet

[stray sigil]

ya u had no cd dispells

i think

[tulip falcon]

mop was when they put cd on dispel

[edgy shale]

no cd dispel sounds dumb

[junior plover]

Was wotlk when every healer got magic dispells?

[tulip falcon]

yea but mana was a lot more of a thing in cata

[stray sigil]

it was 1 spell dispell

i think

so like u had to spam dispell

[tulip falcon]

if u spammed dispel u went oom

[stray sigil]

vs locks

and shit

[tulip falcon]

it had high mana cost

[junior plover]

Like it should be

[clear pulsar]

[tulip falcon]

a lot of people were under the impression in mop that adding cd to dispel significantly ruined pvp

[junior plover]

Healers dispelling everything on cd is just weird to me

[tulip falcon]

because there was still so much CC

before the DR rework in wod

mop was literally cc fiesta

[junior plover]

I mean mop cc

And early monk into that

[tulip falcon]

monk going immune when stunned

best shit

[junior plover]

Literally hilarious

Like

[stray sigil]

monk had

[junior plover]

????

[stray sigil]

3 trinkets

and orb botting

[tulip falcon]

fists of fury stunning everyone as well

which wasnt trinketable

well it was but you got restunned

[junior plover]

You can't die out of stun cuz you're a lightning fast monkey

You get stunned you can't die

Fists of fury

At least if they do mop they'll likely do it on last patch

[haughty compass]

Venthyr / frenzyband on alt. Kinda fun

[junior plover]

So none of that

[tulip falcon]

last patch was just affli locks

[stray sigil]

@haughty compass my man

[haughty compass]

Incarn for max stacks

[junior plover]

Well

That's cuz of last patch gear

We'll have last patch balance

[tulip falcon]

swear it was just like

[junior plover]

But normal gear progression

[tulip falcon]

lsd, lsd 2 and godcomp in last season of mop

everywhere

and rmp

[stray sigil]

u remember

the hydra khuna drama

in cata

LOL

[tulip falcon]

the forged ID thing?

[stray sigil]

what was that mages name

ya

LOL

[junior plover]

Explain

[tulip falcon]

didnt khuna get arrested

[stray sigil]

no

[junior plover]

Wat

[stray sigil]

the mage got arrested

cuz it was him

[tulip falcon]

oh

lol

[junior plover]

[stray sigil]

khuna zuny didnt do anything

[tulip falcon]

imagine comitting major fraud over wow

[junior plover]

What'd they do

[stray sigil]

@junior plover some mage forged it to go on hydras account and leave his 3s team

[tulip falcon]

forged hydra's fake ID

[stray sigil]

so that he would get r1 cataclysmic

[junior plover]

LOL

[stray sigil]

and it worked

lol

he disbanded hydras team

[tulip falcon]

oh yes

xandyn

[stray sigil]

LOL

YES

[junior plover]

Did blizz do anything

Or did they get fucked

[stray sigil]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/yyp89/player_xandyn_commits_identity_fraud_in_order_to/

@junior plover

ah shit

the link is broken for images

but like he had a million pictures and shit of hydra's id and stuff on his computer

and was streaming i think and people saw it

saw the folder

[tulip falcon]

yea that was it

he like quickly moved it off his stream

[junior plover]

[stray sigil]

does khuna still play

i remember he was fucking sick back in the day

[junior plover]

So Hydra didn't get r1 in the end?

[junior plover]

[stray sigil]

i think he did get r1

[junior plover]

Noice

[stray sigil]

blizzard got the team abck or something

[tulip falcon]

he looks like the type of dude that would defo get jailraped

[stray sigil]

at some point

[junior plover]

[stray sigil]

was like the biggest drama

on aj

back in the day

ah good times

[tulip falcon]

yes

[stray sigil]

aj

[tulip falcon]

i used to play overwatch with ayra

biggest meme on aj

i only got junkie status in mop so i missed all the good shit

all the good stuff happened in cata

[stray sigil]

ya cata had all the good drama

[tulip falcon]

i was talking to braindeadly the other week about the blizzcon drama

where their spot got fucked

in mop

[pallid coral]

yeah him hydra and wowdruid

that was funny

lost it to zeepeye after the deadline

[tulip falcon]

yep

[pallid coral]

and blizz just gave it to zeepeye

[stray sigil]

i remember hydra soda qing into wowdruid

good times

[junior plover]

Esport btw

[stray sigil]

was braindeadly the guy that qd cupid all the time

with that one ret

[tulip falcon]

yea jimos

[stray sigil]

ya ya i remember watching their vids

warcraftmovies

[tulip falcon]

i speak to braindeadly a fair bit he lives right in my area

man does uber eats for a living now

[stray sigil]

man this reminiscing makes me

[junior plover]

[stray sigil]

just remembered first time i entered ulduar

as a 13 year old kid

[junior plover]

I'm too young for this chat

I was like 10 when ulduar dropped

No good wow memories

[stray sigil]

i was like 12-13 i think

[tulip falcon]

i mean i was playing wow at 8 or 9

[teal hinge]

Zoomers

[tulip falcon]

i remember

[junior plover]

Parents would never pay 10€ in 2010 poland

[stray sigil]

started playing wow in like begining of wotlk

[tulip falcon]

i was like level 30 and got summoned to the AQ gate opening event

[junior plover]

[tulip falcon]

i sat there for hours just watching it

cos i was too level to do anything

[stray sigil]

played like 600 hours of wc3

before that

cuz my parents wouldnt pay a sub

[tulip falcon]

yea i shared an acc with my brother

[stray sigil]

first thing i did for w.e reason on this game

[junior plover]

I have a distinct memory of my cousin flying out from stormwind flight path

In wotlk

[stray sigil]

is walk from orc starting zone

to durotar

[junior plover]

And i thought this was the coolest game

[stray sigil]

and checking out everyones armor

with my brother

lol

[tulip falcon]

bro dont even

[junior plover]

But no way parents would pay the sub

[tulip falcon]

one of the first things i remember

[stray sigil]

bro wotlk was like

something else

something about it

[tulip falcon]

i had a level 10 black human paladin called snoopdogg i deleted his hearthstone and got him to the barrens

[stray sigil]

was so badass

idk

[tulip falcon]

i deleted him

not long after

[junior plover]

[stray sigil]

bro

i madea be hutner with my brothers

and we didnt know what quests were

so we were legit killing shit in barrens

to lvl up

[junior plover]

[tulip falcon]

lol i knew what quests were but hated doing them for some reason

[stray sigil]

we were so hyped when we got grey shoulders

for some reason shoulders

was the coolest shit

[tulip falcon]

i got to level 54 in vanilla after like a year

with minimal quests

[junior plover]

First shoulders u could get was like

Lvl 22

Or smth

[stray sigil]

i got to lvl 55

[tulip falcon]

hell i didnt even get my first max level until wrath

[stray sigil]

and insta made a dk

[tulip falcon]

even though i started in like 2005 or 2006 lol

[stray sigil]

never touched my hunter again

[tulip falcon]

ye same

i didnt buy wrath cos i didnt have a max level was like theres no point

then i found out you could make a dk at 55

[stray sigil]

all i could see was

[junior plover]

Fak

[stray sigil]

dk

arthas

had to be a dk

there was no other way

i played so fucking much wc3

[tulip falcon]

also it was the first new class so there was so much hype

[stray sigil]

arthas was like big daddy for me

[tulip falcon]

now its like ah new class sorta cool i guess

[stray sigil]

whenever they release wotlk server

i will legit cream so fucking hard

naxx

ulduar

icc

[tulip falcon]

tbh i dont know what i even did in the game until late cata

[stray sigil]

idk either

i think i was lvling for like 6 years tbh

LOL

[tulip falcon]

same

[edgy shale]

how

[junior plover]

Idk I feel like people trying to relive nostalgia with classic got burnt hard

[edgy shale]

wow leveling so easy

[junior plover]

But

[stray sigil]

not cuz it was hard

[junior plover]

The game is actually good

[stray sigil]

cuz like

i got lost in the game like

was so cool i just wouldnt do anything

idk

LOl

[tulip falcon]

no one had the common sense with the game they do now back then

[edgy shale]

it def wasn't lol mayeb compared to today. I played a koraen mmo befoer I played wow called lineage 2 and the grind was so insane that wow felt like cake when I went to wow

[junior plover]

Yeah I didn't hit endgame in any mmo i played

Until like

[tulip falcon]

u sorta just made ur char and u ran around

[junior plover]

2014

That's what people did

[stray sigil]

first time i did endgame

was in uh

[edgy shale]

2014? wtf

[junior plover]

Leveling was the game

[stray sigil]

wod i think

[edgy shale]

ur on drugs

[junior plover]

Maybe 2012

[stray sigil]

too me a fcuking while

[tulip falcon]

first raid i ever did was the re-hash of onyxia's lair in wrath

which was barely a raid

[stray sigil]

dont think i raided in wotlk

was like half playing cata

[junior plover]

Hell there have been giga popular mmos with no endgame

Back then

[stray sigil]

only did 2s boosts in mop

[edgy shale]

i jus said one

[junior plover]

You just did pvp at max level or w/e

[edgy shale]

lineage 2 was super popular

[stray sigil]

wod i think is the first time i pushed some arenas

[edgy shale]

leveling took so long literally NO ONE was max level

[stray sigil]

on my warrior

[edgy shale]

[junior plover]

Yeah

[stray sigil]

legion i didnt do much until like last 2 months of expac

[junior plover]

Metin 2 was INSANELY popular in Poland

I think also in Brazil

So maybe face can relate

[tulip falcon]

i guess this is what i did in vanilla

[junior plover]

There's no endgame in that game

[tulip falcon]

11 year old getting sloshed

[junior plover]

[stray sigil]

those events were pretty cool as a kid lol

not anymore but back then was kinda hype

[junior plover]

Everything was cool

[tulip falcon]

i even loved the old shitty darkmoon faire

[junior plover]

We're too old to be happy

[stray sigil]

[teal hinge]

Now get a job and work and pay bills

[junior plover]

I do

[teal hinge]

That's your fun now

[junior plover]

At least I love my job

But would be nice

To experience games like that again

[teal hinge]

The new feel is good

[junior plover]

I guess I really enjoyed classic

[stray sigil]

thats why i want a new mmo

[tulip falcon]

nah wagecuck isnt the only way in life

[stray sigil]

where i dont know shit

[junior plover]

And that was a year and a half back

So not all hope is lost

[tulip falcon]

thing is even with a new mmorpg it isnt the same

because of twitch, youtube etc

[junior plover]

Ye

And cuz you played other mmos

[tulip falcon]

some dude will figure out the sweatiest meta in 2 months

[junior plover]

And you have expectational

Expectations

[tulip falcon]

ye

[junior plover]

You recognize patterns

Etc

[tulip falcon]

wow was really the first game to be as big as what it was

no one had ever seen shit like it before

[junior plover]

Once you go sweaty you never go back

Nah I think league is bigger now

[tulip falcon]

gaming in general was a lot more casual in early 2000s

[junior plover]

But it's different af

[tulip falcon]

now everyone who plays games wants to be some sweaty esports pro

[junior plover]

Yeah gaming used to be a different world

We just turned it into sports

[tulip falcon]

whereas early 2000s it wasn't really ever seen like that only by a minority

[junior plover]

Which is fun and all

[tulip falcon]

theres a reason why people say vanilla had so much more community feel etc

was the playerbase

and gamers in general

[junior plover]

I mean tbh

Classic had a strong community feel

It was very much so because of the game

But nowhere close to

Vanilla

[tulip falcon]

it encouraged it more than it does atm cos of no lfg shit

[junior plover]

Yeah and no cross server

Is a big deal

Guilds formed rivalries

Stole good players from one another

[tulip falcon]

yep

[junior plover]

Coalitions to protect themselves before a raid

Classic wasn't perfect but damn I'm glad I didn't miss it

Hope tbc slaps

[tulip falcon]

maybe thinking of playing tbc cos of the boost

can actually catch up

[junior plover]

Ye

Classic community foaming at the mouth

About the boost

[tulip falcon]

think the boost was a good idea, joining in tbc fresh would be hell for anyone new

[junior plover]

Exactly

Boost makes perfect sense

[tulip falcon]

if they want their game to stagnate then sure

[stray sigil]

im only gonna play bc cuz of the boost

[junior plover]

We need more players it's good

[tulip falcon]

exactly, i know a lot of people who say the same

[stray sigil]

cuz i never enven got to 60 on classic

[tulip falcon]

it will bring a lot of new people cos of it

[junior plover]

Tbf if you have friends who play classic

They can boost u in like 10h

On a mage

10-60

[tulip falcon]

fuck that

[junior plover]

But yeah

Boost is good

I'll boost a rogue idc

[tulip falcon]

i never even played classic tbh i got to 50 on that big private server

nostromo or something was it

[junior plover]

Nostalrius

[tulip falcon]

oh yea

that was it

[stray sigil]

ima make a dk on bc

[tulip falcon]

lol

[junior plover]

Only good pvper i know on my server is rdru

And the other is patron

Feral

[stray sigil]

good pvper

tian

[junior plover]

Well

[stray sigil]

[junior plover]

Good by my standards

[stray sigil]

[junior plover]

I'm still not even SL glad

[tulip falcon]

everyone knows if ur not multi r1 and 3.2k cr ur awful!!

[junior plover]

But I fully expect tbc arena to be

God awful

[stray sigil]

tru

[junior plover]

Compared to SL

An actual piece of steaming garbage

[stray sigil]

ive heard sruff about bc arenas

doesnt sound super fun lol

[junior plover]

All I've seen and heard about tbc arenas

[tulip falcon]

its hard to know since in tbc no one actually knew how to play the game still

[stray sigil]

sl sl lock

warrior mace stun

rdru

[clear pulsar]

Have you ever seen tian play?

[junior plover]

Look

[stray sigil]

dont need to

[junior plover]

Have you ever seen me play

[stray sigil]

ape plays like ape

[junior plover]

[stray sigil]

it is only logical

[clear pulsar]

Tian gets carried by people being afraid of polish men

[arctic rivet]

how is this as my soulbinds?

[stray sigil]

ur not using wellhoned

[arctic rivet]

I got lucky with a daily quest reward and got Ursine Vigor

[junior plover]

Well honed instincts

[stray sigil]

big mistake

[junior plover]

Is required

[stray sigil]

burrs is terrible

[tulip falcon]

he doesnt even have it by the looks of it

[stray sigil]

go 2 potency instead

[arctic rivet]

I don't it rn...

[junior plover]

[clear pulsar]

Might as well play burrs tho if you're boomie

[junior plover]

Go farm it

Gogogogo

[clear pulsar]

He's boomie @stray sigil idiot

Boomie potencies are absolute garbage

[stray sigil]

ok another mistake

find the respec button

[junior plover]

[stray sigil]

go feral

[tulip falcon]

lol

[arctic rivet]

I'm a convoke boomy with BOAT lego so

[clear pulsar]

Go well honed instead of ursine vigor, seems ok otherwise

[arctic rivet]

trying to make that build

[tulip falcon]

man actually needs to get well honed first

[junior plover]

Yeah as soon as you get whi

That's bis soulbind

But whi is absurdly good

You need it 100%

[tulip falcon]

ye innate and WHI are poggy

[arctic rivet]

any NF Balance of All Things lego using druids here share your soulbinds plz?

I wanna see how you guys build your soulbinds

[clear pulsar]

If you want to give 2nd potency a try, the one you put on the 'poison' leg is the worst one lol

Probably precise alignment or fury of the skies if you really want those tiny bits of damage

This is whaazz' @arctic rivet

[tulip falcon]

yea you just need to unlock a lot more of the soulbinds

since ur missing the good ones

or conduits w/e

[stray sigil]

dont listen to face

he is ape

[junior plover]

Face is god gamer

Fuji

When will u be in awc

I keep waitinf

[clear pulsar]

I am the ultimate arguer

I don't even raid heal and I lecture people in #resto about their cd usage and shit

[junior plover]

Face is the face of #pvp

[arctic rivet]

any dungeons those soulbinds potentially droppds?

[stray sigil]

? ? ?

i am the face

of this discord

[tulip falcon]

i want to play but i log in for 5 mins then log out idk what to do

[stray sigil]

dont get it twisted

[clear pulsar]

Fuji look up how many messages we both have in dreamgrove

[tulip falcon]

do we know how long this season is yet

[stray sigil]

i quit this shit

[clear pulsar]

Check adventure guide

[stray sigil]

4000 times

doesnt count

u also spam

nonesense

in pve channels

[junior plover]

No that's @El patron

[clear pulsar]

My guess is mid june, PTR should last around 8 weeks and that timeline lines up with previous patches

[junior plover]

Can't tag

Shit broke

[tulip falcon]

fml thats so long still

[stray sigil]

alright

uve lost it

[arctic rivet]

I see....

[clear pulsar]

Yeah it'll be a while still

[arctic rivet]

plaguefall and Halls of atonement....

[clear pulsar]

Another underrated aspect of legion

The pvp seasons being short and ending every patch, major or not

[tulip falcon]

yeah

[arctic rivet]

what I wonder is don't the PVP vendors sell one of those soulbinds?

[junior plover]

Tbh if this season ended at 9.0.5

[tulip falcon]

like i legit log in and idk what to do

[junior plover]

That'd be sweet

[arctic rivet]

and can they spawn outside of those dungeons?

[junior plover]

I don't think the pvp vendor sells WHI

[clear pulsar]

You can get conduits from callings

[junior plover]

^

[clear pulsar]

But it's random for all the conduits available for the class

[tulip falcon]

it will always give ones you're missing though right

[clear pulsar]

They can also be rewards from world quests

Yeah until you have all of them

[junior plover]

Yes until like 197

Or 184

[clear pulsar]

200

[junior plover]

[tulip falcon]

only thing i could do is gear my alt but holy fuck balls i really dont want to do all that shit again

[junior plover]

I wanna play Spriest

But ehh

[tulip falcon]

i really dont wanna grind renown and torg

on an alt

[junior plover]

I don't wanna play undergeared for 1000 games

[tulip falcon]

that too

[junior plover]

Venruki i think made a good point on twitter

[tulip falcon]

i think i know which one

[junior plover]

Tbc had less ilvl inflation between patch 1 and last tier

Than SL between honor gear and 2.4k

Or 2.1 i guess

So you'd be better off doing last season tbc arena in questing greens

Than in honor gear in sl

[tulip falcon]

i think i could withstand gearing my alt

[junior plover]

[tulip falcon]

just not renown and torg

on top

[arctic rivet]

180 ilvl finally

would that make me eligible for yolo times finally for Rbgs?

[junior plover]

Renown isn't bad

You start at 14 now

After threads

[tulip falcon]

yea but still

[junior plover]

And they buffed drop rates massively

[tulip falcon]

i cba doing campaign again lol

[junior plover]

True

At least I'm venthyr on priest so

New campaign

[tulip falcon]

and doing torg for multiple weeks

maybe ill do 2s on main

hm

[clear pulsar]

I dont mind torghast at all

[junior plover]

2s are good this season

[tulip falcon]

seems less fucked than 3s

[junior plover]

Really is