pvp

[pallid coral]

I think it would be hilarious

but qs are kinda too long for the bit

[haughty compass]

It’s like 1800 or so?

[tropic schooner]

these are the least of your issues

[clear pulsar]

It's probably really easy to just not smash a low mmr lobby and then you're in mmr limbo forever

[pallid coral]

yeah

1858 was rank 1 last i checked

which i think is extremely doable

even as guardian

[pallid coral]

if you play an offspec with mmr mainspec

[north grove]

[pallid coral]

you start out with higher mmr than default

[north grove]

i dont mind if you and face2face or anyone else critique/comment on the video

im recording videos in order to check my misstakes, as a suggestion from "G"

[tropic schooner]

to me the biggest thing is you walk way too much for no reason and you for what ever reason not only use mouseover to heal, but you use the frames in the top left corner to mouseover instead of the closer ones

[viscid remnant]

Supposedly its against "smurf" guilty

But it doenst make sense sometimes

[north grove]

i think i cant mouse over those frames, its from gladius ex, i usually use it to check who is CCd

[viscid remnant]

Like if i play feral on my rdru mmr it would be the opposite of smurf

It would be gargamel

[north grove]

i need to find a suitable UI for my pvp stuff, i always mix my stuff coz im also a pve player

i play feral in dungeons m+ and raid content, i was considering creating another character in order to not "mess up" addons and UI

[haughty compass]

Lmao

David I Q’d and went 3-3 becuase rdu pig went 0-6

Trinkets first cc everytime

[clear pulsar]

Just use bigdebuffs

And you can see CC in the regular raid frames if you want

[viscid remnant]

Thats uniforch

[clear pulsar]

I'm using grid2 for raid frames

And lake is using KHMraidframes as an alternative to bigdebuffs?! I think

@north grove

Gladiusex for party frames is sketch

[north grove]

im listenning

or

reading

[pallid coral]

it would be very funny booting it up as bear

with my like

2800 feral mmr

[clear pulsar]

At some point in round 2 you're in this position and you really need to find cover, you have to find a pillar where you can heal people. Instead you just hover around this blue area wide open to be CCd forever by everyone.

[pallid coral]

that said wtf is ur warrior doing

oh wait

he's nto around the pillar

nvm

warrior fine

i thought he was behind that pillar

[clear pulsar]

Nah it's just stacking nameplates

[pallid coral]

LMAO

[clear pulsar]

Looking weird haha

[north grove]

that makes sense

[clear pulsar]

Here it's already a pretty vulnerable spot and you either should have gone around the pillar on your left already or you cross into the evoker, CC him and take his pillar

[young condor]

whos ui is the above picture

[clear pulsar]

Basically you hover around the edge of the fight, try not to move across the melees but like circle around to take a pillar, if people go one way you circle back around the pillar to stay safe, etc

Like in this spot, my idea for positioning in this situation would be to try to reach that pillar somewhat safely and then you circle behind it to avoid CC and work with your melee's positioning

My positioning is super spotty tho and especially on big maps I really struggle

So idk maybe enten or puzzle or david have something else they want to do in that spot

[north grove]

so.. i kinda do pve and pvp, and i need to fix my pvp UI stuff. im not even running omni bar which i think its a flaw coz it helps me to fight against hunter traps for example
the middle weak aura is from "Fore", a fellow feral druid that also does some wild pve 😄

[north grove]

i see

[young condor]

yeah i mean just a bit nitpicky, if it works for you thats great

[north grove]

welp, i appreciate @clear pulsar 🙂

[clear pulsar]

You really should try not to dump all of ironbark OG NS tranq at once

[young condor]

tranq mostly saves you over allies doesn't it?

[north grove]

ye, i should try to trade cds more often, not overlapping it all

[clear pulsar]

Your raidframes are so tragic man

[north grove]

for me tranq is a huge defensive, yes, i agree

but sometimes i use it coz i want to 'keep' my party hp if im struggling somehow (coz ppl not properly w/ hots)

[clear pulsar]

You're missing lifebloom on people all the time

[north grove]

ye, i kinda just know lifebloom is there

my frame just track 3 or 4 hots

[clear pulsar]

I can send you my grid2 profile (it only works for druid, for other healers you'll have to add stuff if you play them)

[north grove]

i suck with UI stuff :<

[clear pulsar]

And explain to you where stuff will show

[viscid remnant]

i use this https://wago.io/-vPxx6nnj

is very good to see lifebloom

made by our very own addon guy

[clear pulsar]

But you're also like tunneling into CC when you have no heals out on a warlock getting dumped on

[viscid remnant]

looks like this

[north grove]

but your grid stuffproblably have squares on it, doesnt it face?

[clear pulsar]

No it looks a lot like default frames

[young condor]

those raidframes arent great

and the nameplates, i'd personally atleast make them bigger

in the settings

wait people use grid for pvp?

[north grove]

and what do you use to check ppl CCD, face?

[clear pulsar]

This is what it looks like

[north grove]

gladius?

[viscid remnant]

f2f use grid for pvp

[clear pulsar]

No I use grid

And I manually wrote

The whitelist of CC debuffs

To be big

To copy bigdebuffs look

[north grove]

o i see

[clear pulsar]

[viscid remnant]

he very crazy

[north grove]

yes, i used to run bigdebuffs

but my bigdebuffs isnt working

it bugs all the time

[clear pulsar]

See the big cyclone

[north grove]

yup

nice

id run that

it looks good

[haughty compass]

I actually like faces set up a lot

[north grove]

that would help a lot with my setup

which is very.. messy

[young condor]

id remove the wa package and put omnibar stuff there first

change ui scale so icons are bigger

i'd also have your target and focus target somewhere you would look

[north grove]

yes. i just need to figure out how i play without those in PVE

i kinda need to 'turn on' and turn off

whenever i go pve / pvp

it sucks

[young condor]

is there an addon that lets you make addon profiles?

[north grove]

elv ui i think., but im super lost on this stuff, never used it

it would change everything

[clear pulsar]

https://justpaste.it/amh0j
Blue is hots I can put on many targets (rejuv germ regrowth wildgrowth tranq)
Yellow is more st effects (ironbark, cw, lifebloom)
Green is just Swarm
Pink is a whitelist of debuffs that do big dam (think death mark, odyn's fury, etc)
Red is important debuffs, it's a whitelist that I manually add to (UA, crowd control, bursting in m+, etc)
White is all the other debuffs, I copy the same list from red but as a blacklist to only show CC on the big icons.

Swarm being alone in green is mostly a pve thing for keys makes it easier for me

You could add Swarm to one of the other 2 rows of buffs and just remove that for better clarity

Grid2 settings page is confusing as fuck tho

[young condor]

yeah its why im surprised you used it for pvp

[clear pulsar]

Bigdebuffs was unplayable

I had to adapt

[north grove]

yes

big debuffs kept giving me errors

[young condor]

early on big debuffs was breaking my game

[north grove]

i was unable to press buttons

[young condor]

do you used advanced interface options

[north grove]

had to reload all the time

[young condor]

or is it leatrix

i use both

but one of them stops lua errors

[north grove]

i have no clue what ur talkin bout

[young condor]

also advanced interface options lets you disable minions healthbars and keep others

they are both addon names

[clear pulsar]

Its not lua errors

It's taint on the actionbars that doesnt let me press any spell

[north grove]

Yup

same was happening to me

[clear pulsar]

You know when you get a warning like 'X addon has blocked an action' yadayada

[north grove]

only way to fix was reloading it

or disabling

[young condor]

yeah i had that happen occasionally, i dont know what the problem is

right now on my rogue i cant apply poisons on a hotbar (need to use spell book) and hunter i cant summon my pet on a hotbar

basically skills on hotbars that have the drag out arrow don't work

[north grove]

@clear pulsar appreciate the help 🙂

[grand mesa]

Ur a beast bro

[viscid remnant]

REAL

[grand mesa]

Should have taken the pillar to your left

I’m on phone but I think he took trinket tranq with that sleep walk

[pallid coral]

it also feels like you're so close to the melee stack there

and it's like

a freebie for dh or warrior to cc you

and you can't go anywhere to stop it

[haughty compass]

Playing near their healer has dramatically increased my win %

[pallid coral]

like if i saw a resto druid there i'd be cooming that i could PW him or just focus bash him

[grand mesa]

Ya. Tbh like a dh can fel rush you for it easily. But being further away or behind pillar makes it so he has to walk a few steps near your direction that’s a second or two you can react with meld or tranq

[young condor]

what's the likelihood that melee cleave will be meta for the forseeable future?

[grand mesa]

If you’re that close there’s no shot you can react

[wanton ridge]

in shuffle? forever lol

[haughty compass]

Perma

[pallid coral]

i don't know if i believe that melee cleave is completely meta

i'm p sure there's some wizards that farm

its just not a complete rmp meta

[grand mesa]

NA is also much zugger than eu

[haughty compass]

I mean the shuffle tourney was all melee in the final

[grand mesa]

I think

[wanton ridge]

with zero communication, melee is more forgiving because zug

[young condor]

yeah i impulsively uninstalled because it just wasnt fun facing that repeatedly but was thinking maybe blizzard will nip it in the bud

put more disarms in the game

a disarm aura

[viscid remnant]

idk puzzle

iam seeing

so few dhs

unironically

[grand mesa]

I miss DH meta

[young condor]

why's that?

[haughty compass]

I played in a fire mage / mm / ret / dev lobby

Talk about explosive

[young condor]

that sounds like a fun lobby

poor mage though

[grand mesa]

Because rdruids cna make it so dh can’t play very easily

[young condor]

wait

ret

[haughty compass]

All the dps went 3-3

Poor rdu went 0-6

[young condor]

what is it about dh that druids deny as opposed to a warrior?

[pallid coral]

dh still feels pretty good just way less oppressive than it did

[haughty compass]

They are pretty tanky too

Idk

[young condor]

typhoon them outa darkness

[viscid remnant]

u play typhoon?

thats sussy brother

[grand mesa]

Spell reflect is annoying. They can blood rage/bladestorm out of roots but idk if they they blood rage in shuffle

[young condor]

what is opportunity cost for typhoon?

vortex right?

[grand mesa]

Like 4 points

You’re giving up renewal or protector or typhoon or the bark talents or lycaras or rake

Something

[hollow condor]

They want blow the opponent

[grand mesa]

Yeah I really don’t like being so close to feral he can easily get bleeds up on me in addition to PW spamming the melee clump. It’s just so oppressive

Some maps can’t be helped tho (BLADES EDGE 😡)

[viscid remnant]

2 much

[pallid coral]

mugambala

is low key the worst i think

i feel like every mugambala

ends up with healer in range of pw

[young condor]

is mugambala the bfa one

with the stairs

[pallid coral]

yes#

[grand mesa]

I dislike mugambala when lock is really good lol

[pallid coral]

zandalari arena

[young condor]

thats one of my favs lol

i guess as caster / healer

probs warlocks best map

[pallid coral]

like the way los works

[grand mesa]

Idk that’s a shitty map that big box is way too big

[pallid coral]

on that map

u just allways end up with a bit of a stack

[young condor]

los screws me over on blades arena

[grand mesa]

You fight up top irs smaller than blades edge. You fight bottom you gotta be like within 10-15 yards to heal right

[young condor]

i tried rescuing my ret duo to go to the ground

and it didnt work

[grand mesa]

Maybe 10-15 is exaggeration

[pallid coral]

yeah

[young condor]

i like that you can kite by going up top

[pallid coral]

i had a game against krawnz on disc priest

just stacked with fucking monk and rogue on his team

and they just all get extremely one shot

[young condor]

and also when dh were picked alot and they used demon eyes i could just stay in the spawn closet and they wouldnt check there

[grand mesa]

I’ve never been particular about map in 2s and that’s what I’ve mostly pushed as in SL. But Jesus maps make such a big difference in shuffle

[pallid coral]

idk if i have a favourite map

[grand mesa]

Will watch the map pick phase in AWC with much bigger appreciation

[pallid coral]

blades edge is the worst map i know that

[viscid remnant]

blades edge much worse

[grand mesa]

Idk any of the bit maps I’m cool with

[viscid remnant]

i actually dont mind mugambalala so much

[grand mesa]

Blades edge is cancer for healer

[pallid coral]

when i worst i mean for endup up stacked against feral

[grand mesa]

Like absolute cancer in shuffle

[viscid remnant]

ah ye

[pallid coral]

liek blades edge is just the worst map to play on it sucks

but on mugambala enemy allways ends up in 3 man stack

so you get giga cleavur

even if double ranged

[viscid remnant]

i play 1 game and i went up like 50 spots almost lol

[pallid coral]

yeah

[grand mesa]

Actually massive

[pallid coral]

a lot of people get 2400

and just vibe

[viscid remnant]

ye i guess u dont need to paly after 2.4

[pallid coral]

only reason is 4 fun

[grand mesa]

I still need 2.4 on main lol

[pallid coral]

or if you want to push for crimson

[grand mesa]

I’ve just been capping out

[viscid remnant]

where do i see legend count

[grand mesa]

Much better Shot getting crimson on bear for me than resto druid

🤣

[viscid remnant]

mby possible

notsure

[grand mesa]

Not that I’d ever go for it

[pallid coral]

what do you mean legend count

you mean for achieve

[grand mesa]

His wins

[pallid coral]

just check achievements

ye ye jus tgo achivements pvp arena

or just search in the achievement window

[grand mesa]

You can set it to track achievement so it’s always in your quest log too

[viscid remnant]

ok tnx

[grand mesa]

Checkbox

[pallid coral]

i think crimson is gonna b ev rare

unless the ladder is way bigger than it looks like

[grand mesa]

I can only imagine it’s 1-2 spots per spec

[pallid coral]

or i guess depends on what conditions they use for title

[viscid remnant]

really that low puzzle

what is the %

[pallid coral]

but like xunamate says 2700 ferals above 1500

[pallid coral]

0.1

[haughty compass]

Check pvp has a decent guess

If you look at the entire ladder

[pallid coral]

this is the last resto xunamate picks up

[haughty compass]

Like there are 6800 dev Evokers that have Q’d shuffle

So 6-7 rank 1 spots

[pallid coral]

where?

[viscid remnant]

ok ineed to keep queueing

[pallid coral]

i didn't see it on th e site

[viscid remnant]

and pass some of the ppl here

[pallid coral]

and cutoffs page is like blank

[haughty compass]

Just look at the shuffle rankings

And then look at how many results there are

[grand mesa]

Lmao David

[pallid coral]

oh this has more than xuna huh

[haughty compass]

Ikdk if that is accurate

[viscid remnant]

also i need to play

to get my gear up

[pallid coral]

yeah it depends

[haughty compass]

But seems like a good guess

[pallid coral]

how blizzard count representation

like is it play any solo shuffle

[haughty compass]

Yea

[grand mesa]

How do they usually do it for 3s r1

[pallid coral]

or do you have to play a certain amount

[grand mesa]

is it a % of anyone who has ever played a game?

[pallid coral]

uh

i can't remember if they ever changed it

so it used to be that it would be anyone who played any games at all

but then in legion season 1

they were gonna change it to have to play 50 games or something

[viscid remnant]

i think % of ppl above 1k

[pallid coral]

but then people were pissed

[viscid remnant]

or something

[pallid coral]

so they didn't

[viscid remnant]

notsure

[pallid coral]

so idk if they changed it or not

if it's anyone who has played any shuffle than that means th ere's 8 feral spots f.ex

11 resto spots

[grand mesa]

Ur in contention no?

At 2800

Obv super early but

[viscid remnant]

damn bro fuckin 11 spots

notsure if possible

xd

[pallid coral]

very cursed

[grand mesa]

No shot David

[pallid coral]

2800 is like 30 on the ladder

[grand mesa]

And there’s gonna be weird scummy shit

[viscid remnant]

ye

[grand mesa]

Last couple days

[pallid coral]

if there is 8 spots

[viscid remnant]

wintrader rusky/chinese

[pallid coral]

i do think it's potentially possible for me to get it

[viscid remnant]

from first global

[pallid coral]

but maybe unlikely

[grand mesa]

That would be badass guilty

[pallid coral]

I have pretty okay winrate

and good mmr

just would have to play the games to grind it

[grand mesa]

What’s your take on feral in arena

Out of curiosity

[viscid remnant]

no boorst only tannel

[grand mesa]

Never heard your opinion

[pallid coral]

what do you mean

[grand mesa]

It’s pretty polarizing in that it’s either the most OP thing in existence

[pallid coral]

I think if you play to its strengths its really strong

[viscid remnant]

@haughty compass my triceps are legit fried

[pallid coral]

but i also think that people are like

BAD at playing against it

[grand mesa]

Or it’s actually all pad and not S tier

[pallid coral]

like it's not that common that i get tunelled

and i swear it's so hard to do dam against some classes when you get tunelled

[haughty compass]

Excellent

[pallid coral]

I think evoker is insane against feral

I don't think it's the best I'd put it in A tier probably

[clear pulsar]

Guilty

Or david

Do you know anyone that will stream their early bracket games on tourney?

[viscid remnant]

not im particular

[clear pulsar]

I think lyanne sometimes did it

[pallid coral]

idk for sure but i'd bet like bicmex and stuff will

[viscid remnant]

ive seen drainer stream lower games in the past so its possible

[clear pulsar]

Yeah true bicmex might

[viscid remnant]

maybe bruhnity too

[pallid coral]

tony's team have before

[viscid remnant]

bicmex does aswell yeah

[pallid coral]

as well

the golden guardians the move people will for sure as wlel

they allways do

[clear pulsar]

Yeah from NA some people in the past have

[grand mesa]

Love me some sterge

[clear pulsar]

Syfox did, flop did, the move

Nuked

[grand mesa]

Is it today?

[clear pulsar]

Cmd

Yeah the early bracket is

[grand mesa]

Man I was gonna start capping vaults but I kinda just want to watch instead

Curious about the healer tweets saying full BIS is actually unhealable

[pallid coral]

this is my loose spec ranking i think

from personal experience

[grand mesa]

I honestly really dislike afflock

Always have always will

Hate healing against it

[pallid coral]

every aff game i play they feel like they do really nuts damage but absolutely nothing ever dies

[clear pulsar]

Guilty: wowhead tier list copping out putting everything in A and B
Also Guilty:

[pallid coral]

LMFAO

I have copped out on one spec i think

arms

I really want to put arms in s tier

[clear pulsar]

You want to put it S

Yes

[pallid coral]

but it's based off of litterally one game

where the entire lobby got ass fucked by an arms warrior

and i haven't played against one since

[grand mesa]

How badly did u get mortally struck

[pallid coral]

150k

[grand mesa]

🤣

[haughty compass]

reasonable, I'd say dk is a little higher but i agree with this

[pallid coral]

my health bar felt like a fucking yoyo

[grand mesa]

Yeah

[haughty compass]

feral just fucks uh dk lol

[pallid coral]

yeah

that's why the conditional of

in my experience

because like

i can see un holy dk doing well in lobbies

but every game against them they just feed me apex procs

[haughty compass]

yea

[pallid coral]

kind of same deal with BM hunter i wanted to put BM hunter slightly higher

but i also just chain murder their pets

whenever i'm against them

aand force turtle with pet dead

and then kill pet again

and they just

have no turtle

no pet

what do

[grand mesa]

I really don’t know if feral cleave should fuck over pets that badly

[clear pulsar]

I think mine looks similar, my only thoughts would be dropping BM and Arcane to B, Fury in C, and I haven't seen Outlaw at all that I recall

[grand mesa]

It’s actually such a hard counter

[exotic wolf]

man, dps queues like god damn.
you get a queue pop under 10 mins and then someone declines and you HAVE TO WAIT 30 MINS UNTIL NEXXT POP

[haughty compass]

yea i think feral completely counters unholy

[clear pulsar]

Man you wanted BM higher maybe the NA hunters are just ass

[haughty compass]

currently

[pallid coral]

I played against a couple of outlaw rogues

[grand mesa]

I think BM with tier actually cranks

[pallid coral]

and its the only rogue spec that felt like it was playable

[grand mesa]

Idk what they’re doing but they randomly chunk so hard

[pallid coral]

assa and sub just felt like thy died

[haughty compass]

yea i forget most people dont even have 2 set yet

[pallid coral]

like once evasion was down

[grand mesa]

Like I think I’m good then I’m very not good

[pallid coral]

it was litterally just a countdown to when they died

[grand mesa]

And tranqing with 10%

Lmao

[haughty compass]

ha, im in a lobby with anboni

[grand mesa]

Is the raz hunter bow nerfed in pvp

[pallid coral]

uh iirc yes

i'd have to check

but also its just like

7 ilvls higher and the bow is free

the effect

so even if it's like

[clear pulsar]

Thats an spr ye?

[grand mesa]

Anboni is spr yeah p sure

[pallid coral]

nerfed to 0% then it's still just betteer

[grand mesa]

I really wish they would add weapons to the trinket bonus

So no gavel hunter bow veinripper bullshit

[pallid coral]

looks like it's nerfed pretty hard yeah

[grand mesa]

Not that there’s a huge overlap between CE raiders and high end pvpers

But still

[clear pulsar]

Bruh 7 ilvls higher

How many of t hese pvpers you think have mythic raz bow

[pallid coral]

well

on tourney realm

all of them

[grand mesa]

Yeah…

[clear pulsar]

Oh you right

[grand mesa]

u see metas tweets

He’s so flustered navigating professions to craft his bis for TR

Lmao

[pallid coral]

what are they even crafting

its all boots + 1

[grand mesa]

That’s what I was curious about

[worn kettle]

What ring enchant do you guys use for resto druid pvp tell me the name please

[pallid coral]

i wonder if they lariat

[grand mesa]

Lariat. Maybe engy Shit if it works?

Ideal stat 418s?

Idk

[pallid coral]

mby some

i feel like between drakebreaker + conquest you've got better options

mby you craft a ring

[worn kettle]

some1 tell me please

[pallid coral]

devotion of whateverthefuckstatyouwant

[worn kettle]

[Enchant Ring - Devotion of Mastery |A:Professions-ChatIcon-Quality-Tier3:17:18::1|a]

?

[pallid coral]

if you want mastery sure

[grand mesa]

Drakebreaker covers a lot of off pieces with mastery ya

[worn kettle]

i have 20% haste 7% mastery

[pallid coral]

I think you have SO much vers in conq gear allready

even with tier set

that you don't need full vers wrists

[haughty compass]

2-1 so far here

[grand mesa]

The conq neck is so much vers

That’s kinda why I don’t want lariat

[pallid coral]

even with 4pc i'm in vers DR range i think

[grand mesa]

The conq neck covers the gaps you have from tier

[viscid remnant]

id but dev at A but i guess B is fine since theyre hit or miss but good devs are kinda lobby defining but overall idk sp seems a bit weaker after nerfs and fereal forsure S KEKW (as a soylo list)

[grand mesa]

It’s like 900+ vers

[worn kettle]

witch 1 guys

what would you do

[clear pulsar]

I think this is how I feel

[grand mesa]

I’d get mastery

[clear pulsar]

I literally have not seen one outlaw so Idk

[pallid coral]

just pick a stat homie it really doesn't matter that much

[clear pulsar]

Couldnt place them

[viscid remnant]

idk puzzle why u hate affli

every lobby i had with affli i went decent

they are easy to heal as rdru

and they win in damp

[wanton ridge]

Unholy and Demo have their own "turn off minion nameplates" tier for me

[viscid remnant]

like rdru

[clear pulsar]

I want to put demo in S tier but I think it's cuz I specifically giga feed to their infinite CC with my positioning

[pallid coral]

all the warlocks

[grand mesa]

I’ve always hated afflock always will

[pallid coral]

just feel like they can stop me playing the game for 30 seconds

like against dakan last night

[grand mesa]

Whenever aff is good I don’t want to play

[pallid coral]

i legit sat at 30 second cc chain

[grand mesa]

Kinda like how dps feel about rdru

[pallid coral]

while trying to kill paladin

absolutely turbo malding

[grand mesa]

Demo is so annoying with that

Stupid axe stun fear fear fear coil

[pallid coral]

yeah then shadowfury

[viscid remnant]

Idk

[pallid coral]

at some point i will move but it will not be today

[grand mesa]

Maybe I’m not dispelling UA enough

I used to dispel a lot in SL

[viscid remnant]

I had like 2 lobbies with aff in recent memory one i went 5-1 one i went 6-0

Free cr

[grand mesa]

And bear FR when I’m silenced

Kinda stopped dispelling

Maybe that’s why

[clear pulsar]

So puzzle

A week or 2 ago they made UA dispel protection not scale with modifiers anymore

[pallid coral]

I don't hate this either

[clear pulsar]

So like their cds etc

It doesn't giga one shot you

[grand mesa]

oh?

[pallid coral]

rogues are weird though assa just doesn't feel good but they all play it

idgi

[clear pulsar]

It does like 25% of my hp or something now

[grand mesa]

So I can dispel

[clear pulsar]

Pretty much everytime fixed damage

[grand mesa]

oh that’s ducking free

[clear pulsar]

I dont dispel literally on cd but I dispel a decent amount now

If I'm safe

[grand mesa]

That’s why I was scared of dispelling. It was hard to tell if it is baby backlash

Or I accidentally one shot myself

Ok that might make it better then

[clear pulsar]

[With weekly restarts] Unstable Affliction backlash damage is no longer increased from increased damage dealt modifiers or effects that increase Unstable Affliction's damage.

From jan 9th

Yeah it's a pretty large change

[grand mesa]

What did they even do to modify now.

[haughty compass]

bro

i am 2399

wtf lol

[grand mesa]

They don’t have dark soul anymore right?

lmao pykan

[haughty compass]

woops

[viscid remnant]

Hahahhah pykan unfiorch

[viscid remnant]

Idk puzzle i only dispel

On their pop

[clear pulsar]

I think stuff that just puts a modifier on UA maybe

[grand mesa]

Their dark glare?

[viscid remnant]

Ye darkglare

[clear pulsar]

Maybe this too

[grand mesa]

Yeah will try dispelling more see how that feels

[viscid remnant]

Idk i mean

[clear pulsar]

Maybe this

[viscid remnant]

Its like

If u are not in danger of dying

Dispelling pretty free

[haughty compass]

ok Q'ing up

[viscid remnant]

Idk i cant explain

[clear pulsar]

Ok so real talk

Against aff

Drop efflo on your feet

Pick verdancy

[grand mesa]

I have yet to play verdancy

[viscid remnant]

Notsure abt that f2f

[clear pulsar]

Both efflos on other people

Verdancy heals you a shit ton

Both blooms*

[viscid remnant]

Wouldnt trust soylos to sit on efflo

[grand mesa]

Oh that’s a mechanics question I wasn’t sure about face

[viscid remnant]

Need super specific lobby

[haughty compass]

3-3 in a shdow priest / assa / ww lobby

[grand mesa]

Do the person have to be in efflo to get healed by verdancy

[haughty compass]

I'm proud of that tbh

[grand mesa]

If they have the lifebloom

[clear pulsar]

No just on yourself

[grand mesa]

Or I mean

The other way around

[clear pulsar]

If you have dots on you too

No puzzle

[grand mesa]

Ok

[clear pulsar]

Lifebloom can be out

[grand mesa]

So verdancy is much stronger than I thought

[clear pulsar]

Verdancy will only heal you in that case

But

[grand mesa]

In terms of positioning

[clear pulsar]

Yeah

It's like quite nice s2g

[grand mesa]

what are y dropping to make room

[clear pulsar]

And what you're dropping is dreamstate ig?

[grand mesa]

Dream state is nice but it’s whatever

Yeah I can see that

Actually that’s super good for rot tbh

[clear pulsar]

Like this

[grand mesa]

Cause all 3 are getting giga healed passively

Not just 2 , the two LB recipients

[clear pulsar]

I also always want to try playing more Flourish against some specs but always pussy out of it last second

[grand mesa]

Yeah

That looks good

Ok if verdancy actually has non “stand in efflo” related value I think it’s not as much of a niche pick

Thought it had to be that perfect situation where all 4 dps meet and don’t fucking move

So hard to pick that and predict it would play that way

[clear pulsar]

Well this is really to heal yourself

[grand mesa]

Yeah

So aff

[clear pulsar]

Ye

I think it's mostly good in blade's edge too

Especially if you identify some fuckwit that likes to kite people back to your corner

[grand mesa]

You actually try it yet?

[vale hazel]

Joining a PvP lobby as the wrong spec causes your talent loadouts not to show up

thats fun

[clear pulsar]

[grand mesa]

I have weird glitches where it appears as if I have successfully swapped load outs

[vale hazel]

This company worth tens of dollars is infuriating

[clear pulsar]

Yeah puzzle

[grand mesa]

Then I realize I do not have overgrowth or big tree and I instead have convoke

[clear pulsar]

This was a quick round

Huge verdancy value on me

It was blade's edge

[grand mesa]

Yeah I’m a believer now

[viscid remnant]

ok face

i might try that

[clear pulsar]

[grand mesa]

I saw a comment in #resto that suggested it worked that way

[viscid remnant]

but i dont rly have trouble with afflis

[grand mesa]

But forgot to follow up on it

[proven bison]

Does bigdebuffs cause problems for anyone? I keep getting "action blocked by addon" or something in the middle of the arena and I can no longer press my buttons unless I relog

[viscid remnant]

u use that for anythin else

[clear pulsar]

Yes it's misery

It used to always bug like that when I inspected people

[proven bison]

is it actually bigdebuffs fault?

[clear pulsar]

So I just /reload at the start of every game

[grand mesa]

No it’s new blizz UI

[clear pulsar]

Partly yes but also no

[proven bison]

I know this shit in pve happens to every addon

[clear pulsar]

Tons of addons are doing it

[covert garnet]

happened before blizz UI too

[clear pulsar]

And I think a lot of taint is caused by blizz UI itself

In itself

[pallid coral]

so

it's not caused by blizzard ui directly

the issue is

blizzard UI has privileged access

[covert garnet]

fuck addons fr

[pallid coral]

to the entire api

[covert garnet]

NO WAY DUDE

[pallid coral]

and there are a lot of things

[covert garnet]

I clicked it

[pallid coral]

that are locked out

which probably shouldn't be

which doesn't matter for default ui

because it has priviliged access

but when an addon trys to access it it causes problems

[clear pulsar]

On the week of the Great Tanking of Face2face I lost a few games cuz of taint

And had to reload

Mid round

It contributed greatly to my -500cr in 1 day

[proven bison]

But what I don't understand is what does Bigdebuffs have to do with me pressing lifebloom on my party member through default blizz frames

[pallid coral]

its called taint for a reason

it spread

spreads

[grand mesa]

The only macro that should be pinned:

#showtooltip
/cast Tranqiility
/reload

[proven bison]

LMAO

[pallid coral]

basically big debuffs or an another addon tries to access a variable or function that it doesn't have access too

which breaks something

causes something else to try access

etc etc etc etc

you can track the process via this https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/CVar_taintLog

[grand mesa]

That’s why I think edit mode was also the most common situation you’d taint the fuck out

It brings all those UI elements together

[clear pulsar]

Yeah it doesnt make a whole lot of sense

Why is omnibar trying to press my spellbutton2

[pallid coral]

1/15 22:16:21.736 Global variable MAX_BUGGRABBER_ERRORS tainted by !BugGrabber - Interface/AddOns/!BugGrabber/BugGrabber.lua:33

this was

the best taint log i had

where somehow

bug grabber managed to taint its own variable

[grand mesa]

Lmao

[viscid remnant]

face doubter me

but i have 2.4 in less games

any truers

[clear pulsar]

Damn

Why are you dissing me

Wtf

[viscid remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-clear-myself-gif-meme-gif-25725527

[clear pulsar]

I was nothing but happy for u

[viscid remnant]

u were saying

iam weak mental

[clear pulsar]

And you agreed

[viscid remnant]

but i pressed on thru the brink till 4:40 am

to get legend

[clear pulsar]

[viscid remnant]

elite*

[haughty compass]

face got it 3 weeks ago

[viscid remnant]

its true

but it was easier for me cuz no leavers

[haughty compass]

we must bring eachother up

[viscid remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/all-part-of-the-plan-joker-heath-ledger-gif-15834621

ofc face is heroic

got 2.4 playing on laptop

[clear pulsar]

I just started healing arena first time in prepatch ofc it took me many games to get into it

[viscid remnant]

i could never

[haughty compass]

meanwhile i need 1 fucking point

to get legend

[clear pulsar]

You got this 100p

Q it up

[viscid remnant]

its free pylon u are good dragon just 1shot some1

@clear pulsar

i assume this is either in 30mins or 1hr 30mins

notsure

[clear pulsar]

30 mins

Check in is happening for 30 more mins

Then 15 min later the bracket comes out

And ppl can start playing

[haughty compass]

20min into a 9min average Q

hopefully not smol mmr

[viscid remnant]

avg q is always lie

says 10min for healer

all of u mfs talking about HOGWARDS or someting

now i have the trailer in youtube recommend

lets see

[haughty compass]

gimme 1 pt so i can shut the fuck up about this and do other stuff

lol

[viscid remnant]

what the braindmg is all about

[clear pulsar]

@pallid coral why does psy's ui look like he's a pvp main

i.e. he has no fucking addons?!

[pallid coral]

idk

psycopath

ill in head

[viscid remnant]

show screenshot

[clear pulsar]

Actually

[viscid remnant]

iwanna cap chjeck this

[pallid coral]

its worst than most pvp ui's i swear

[clear pulsar]

https://www.twitch.tv/psybear_tv

It's legit got nothing on it

[pallid coral]

like

helath and target health

top left

is

DISGUSTING

tony's ui is worse but like

it's not far off

[stark plover]

what trinket are ferals using in solo shuffle? Emblem, Ferocity or Alacrity ?

[pallid coral]

i swear to god

[viscid remnant]

alacrity

[pallid coral]

the only pvpers who have somewhat human ui's

are pvpers

are healers

every pvp dps ui is an abomination

actually piecez the mage had a good ui

if you go all the way back to wrath

[viscid remnant]

i mean the weird thing about his UI is sketchy party frame and 3x details for some reason and portrait position

[pallid coral]

vileroze ui was great as well

[viscid remnant]

my UI is good

🐐

[pallid coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8p9kz4svQI

great ui

[haughty compass]

excited for awc this weekend tbh

i wanna see what people are running

maybe it will get people hyped for ladder (cope)

[viscid remnant]

idk pylon

last hope for ladder

is catalyst maybe

[pallid coral]

one of my old school homies

asked me to q ele feral

[viscid remnant]

mby ppl will q up when they got full tier

[pallid coral]

and i want too

but we have no healer despairge

[hollow condor]

Hope for ladder is CR injection into the pp hole

[hollow condor]

Not a chance

[haughty compass]

if they figure out a way to get shuffle Qs shorter, 3s is dead

mount may as well be a rank 1 title

[grand mesa]

You went from m+ let me do weird cat shit to a real healer really fast. Insane gains lol

First rdru 2.4 that posts here a lot

[grand mesa]

What’s wrong with top left

[arctic grail]

man i suck at playing feral and balance

[grand mesa]

Rate pve UI

[viscid remnant]

i mean for pve i guess it doesnt rly matter

[haughty compass]

i generally dont have bad things to say about people's ui, i've seen a few though where its like

how the hell do you know whats going on

[viscid remnant]

how i imagine ppl die in keys

all their weakauras hide the swirly

its true

[arctic grail]

why as feral do i constantly do more dmg than anyone but never secure a kill

[grand mesa]

Pvp

[shy stone]

Guys ist there a way to get a Timer Inside the bigdebuffs partyframe hots? Im Sure this worked in shadowlands but IT Looks like the timers are Missing in df

[haughty compass]

thats basically mine i think

since i copied all your addons

LOL

[grand mesa]

OmniCC

[shy stone]

I use omnicc

[clear pulsar]

Some specs do more overall some specs do less, arena isnt a raid parse tho

[grand mesa]

Your hot icons are too small

[shy stone]

But IT doesnt Work for the partyframe hots

[clear pulsar]

It's natural that feral tops dmg meter especially when there are pets

[grand mesa]

This is compounded by bigdebuffs author

[clear pulsar]

Multidotting specs usually will if they are free to get their damage out

[arctic grail]

i can never land kills

[grand mesa]

Shrinking the buff size

[clear pulsar]

But they are also easier to heal than specs like arcane mage

[haughty compass]

Bleeds pressure, maims and bites kill

[arctic grail]

constantly losing

[grand mesa]

So go to omniCC options

[viscid remnant]

fereal is kinda like melee affli

[grand mesa]

And there’s an option for minimum size

Or something

[viscid remnant]

u spam damgur but not always cankill

[grand mesa]

Set that to 0

[clear pulsar]

It works you just have to add the name of them to the theme

Or yeah minimum size thing

[shy stone]

Thanks Mate i will try this

[grand mesa]

Alternatively you can make your bigdebuffs hots bigger again

[clear pulsar]

This is what you want in the Patterns of your Rule

CompactRaidGroup and CompactPartyFrame

[grand mesa]

“Search this self.db.profile.raidFrames.buffs * 0.01 in bigdebuff.lua and change 0.01 to 0.013 or whatever you prefer.”

[viscid remnant]

face how good is leech in [pve for rdru

[grand mesa]

I have it set it 0.012

[viscid remnant]

iam i missing out on a ton cuz my stuff is enchanted with speed not leech

[grand mesa]

And I do it every time BD pushes a new update

[shy stone]

You Guys are amazing ty

[clear pulsar]

Leech is kinda lit but mostly when you have enough to be able to ignore yourself mostly

[haughty compass]

welp 45min no Q

gotta go, we do i tlater

[clear pulsar]

Enchants are like 3% leech which

Isn't noticeable imo

[viscid remnant]

me have 0

[clear pulsar]

Yeah

It's fine

Having like

8% leech you really feel it

[grand mesa]

10%+ leech is noticeable

For sure

[clear pulsar]

Yeah

[grand mesa]

Just the enchant not so much

And it’s more pronounced in raid

For obv reasons

[clear pulsar]

Don't lose sleep over it bro you'll get it, if you made it to 2399 then 1 rating is no biggie

[north yew]

Is feral still going to be good in pvp for 10.0.5?

[grand mesa]

Better from what I gather

[ember dock]

@grand mesa how much would it take for you to reach 1800 from 1000 on resto

[clear pulsar]

Shit, it should be probably better?!

[grand mesa]

If MMR isn’t fucked? 2 games lol

[clear pulsar]

Bites doing bigger dam with you being able to abuse Apex

I think is positive for feral

Lower dot damage but not by much

[north yew]

Oh okay. I'm leveling my druid to help my wife get her pvp mount. She wants the sabertooth so me and a hunter friend are going to play feral/hunter/hpal

[grand mesa]

The problem is I think once u in that level of Mordor it takes a lot to climb out

A lot of 5-1 +0 shenanigans down there

For whatever reason

I see screenshots of that all the time

[clear pulsar]

I think the changes to the talents are mostly neutral or buffs really

[ember dock]

Wanna coach me live sometime?

On discord

[grand mesa]

Uhhh if I have time sometime I don’t mind watching a few games sure

Can always send vods tho too

So more people can take a look give diff feedback and it might help whatever lurkers we have in #pvp, all 3 of them

[clear pulsar]

Watching live is rough cuz like

Not being the one pressing the buttons takes you out of it a bit in terms of awareness

Also getting used to your UI

[grand mesa]

The problem too is if you have a real spaceship UI I have no clue what I’m looking at

Like that dude that had gladius ex for party frames

[haughty compass]

Thanks bro, my mental is solid. I feel like I’m a better player just a matter of putting in the time now

[pallid coral]

Vods are way more useful imo

[grand mesa]

Wait who is this. Is this psybear??

[pallid coral]

Because like you can go back over a moment multiple times

[clear pulsar]

No thats too thick

To be psybear

[grand mesa]

Yeah that’s what I thought

Kinda looks like psybear but chunkier

[clear pulsar]

What is hardware vs software encoding again

Hardware uses gpu and software cpu?

Simplistically

[tepid spoke]

ur healers look like mine omegalol

[clear pulsar]

Puzzle do you know anything about what encoding setting I pick

[grand mesa]

@ember dock Posting vods also let’s you actually review the vod yourself when someone point something out. I frequently discord stream my vod after a match rewind and point out to the two dps why and how they made me very sad lol

For OBS? Nah not really

I just let it run default

OBS settings too complicated for me to fiddle

The different encoding settings and stuff

[haughty compass]

Davider maybe 3s tomorrow?

[viscid remnant]

today tomorrow whenever

[haughty compass]

We boomers have to schedule shit lol

[grand mesa]

Guys shhh

Pay attention

We are witnessing

Pykan

Actually setting a hard time

[viscid remnant]

^

say a time

and i will log

even if i am schizo that time

[haughty compass]

Working on it

Looks like exactly 24 hours from now works lol

[viscid remnant]

okay np

[haughty compass]

Lol I just saw this you mFer

[grand mesa]

https://twitter.com/whaazz/status/1615723834124140544?s=46&t=X1UwGMj_qE-G59deasGUUQ

Whaazz (@Whaazz)

Can't believe we have a tournament today and TR feels crazy.
Not sure if the correct thing Blizzard can do is making 2set/4set not work in Arena but something with damage definitely has to be changed.
I think if I had to heal TR damage id choke 9/10 games 😂
GL Healers today!

Twitter · Jan 18, 2023, 2:52 PM

@viscid remnant

They’re saying they don’t see games going longer than 3 minutes lol

In TR

[clear pulsar]

https://www.twitch.tv/lythi I think this guy is like a caster so he should be going thru diff streams povs

For arena bracket

[grand mesa]

Cdew averaging 70k HPS and they’ve never seen a 5 min game

[clear pulsar]

https://www.multitwitch.tv/zhreytv/luuxia/bicmexwow/drainerx/aufgosh/pigandwhistletales
This is the multitwitch I got so far

[haughty compass]

Are they running dev / frost dk?

[grand mesa]

Goat. Ty

[clear pulsar]

Luuxia is playing with tony

So same pov

You could just swap

Drainer tren playing against challenger ii jungle on 1st round I think

From quick looking up on check pvp

Nope

Bracket changed

[haughty compass]

Tony doing jungle with no boorst

[ember dock]

But im shy of posting vods. But sure. Ill lose my fear

I wanna get my moggo

Mog

[clear pulsar]

Pigandwhistletales is low rated regular people

I just found the link randomly

Aufgosh should be some high rated shadowplay

[viscid remnant]

Raiku was saying games on tr are 1-1:30min

[viscid remnant]

Soloq very ez brother i climb from 1.7 to 2.4 1 day

[grand mesa]

Don’t be shy no one here is gonna flame someone who legitimately puts up vods asking for help

And if some random guy does we’lltell them to fuck off

[haughty compass]

I don’t believe this for a second lol

[grand mesa]

When have I ever flamed someone who put themselves out there posted vods and wanted feedback

[haughty compass]

You said no one

[grand mesa]

Never seen face or David either

[haughty compass]

You’re a good guy puzzle

[grand mesa]

Ok we all did flame one person who put themselves out there

And posted a vod

[viscid remnant]

Its true pykan lol

[grand mesa]

But that was Matty’s feral

[viscid remnant]

Ididnt flame matty feral

Never saw it

[haughty compass]

But I definitely agree we have very helpful bros here

[viscid remnant]

lets see this drainer rdru

[haughty compass]

The real tournament starts Friday?

[haughty compass]

LOL

[viscid remnant]

i see what u mean

what they mean

the dmg is so isnane lol

[grand mesa]

Is it

[clear pulsar]

They lost game 1

[clear pulsar]

The top 8 broadcast yeah

But this is already the real tournament

[viscid remnant]

idk i only watch drainer atm

[clear pulsar]

Drainer is playing vs rank 1 ww round 1 for instance

Multiglad / one time r1

Not top tier touranment competition but it's real games

[viscid remnant]

but they played bad

[clear pulsar]

Yes

[viscid remnant]

used every cd on opener lol

especially the dark was too much

but he died with tren 50 yards away in mc so didnt rly matter

[grand mesa]

where are u looking @viscid remnant

[clear pulsar]

Nah it mattered

[viscid remnant]

i watch drainer

[clear pulsar]

He sat much more cc after and the dark did nothing

Coulda done more

If it was like

20s later

Not to save on the kill but enhance woulda been higher hp

[viscid remnant]

also dude u notice how karma does so much dmg

especially in shuffle

[clear pulsar]

Yeah lol its a huge shield now

[viscid remnant]

can be so brutal

[ember dock]

But ur good. Im a braindead dps main

[clear pulsar]

Legit does more than 100k dmg per cast

Or something

[ember dock]

Learning how to heal

And plays arena on mouseover casts

Kekl

[viscid remnant]

ye ofc twist but i did nothing special

most games i just healed

[ember dock]

I wonder what i can use

[pallid coral]

wtf is happening

[ember dock]

I heard about outplayed

[pallid coral]

on tourney realm

LMAO

outplayed is clips only