beta-ptr-spoilers

[deep pawn]

Mods got that super fast

[ember blaze]

what kinda mechs do titans have 🤔

[deep pawn]

unless they go for the Radiant Song Bard

[ember blaze]

isnt a bard a different class concept than artificer/tinker

[deep pawn]

Technically the entire keepers and their creations are all mechanical.

[ember blaze]

or did i misread the survey

[deep pawn]

Nah, the survey for whatever reason had the Prismatic and Bard concepts under what I assume should translate as Artificer

[deep pawn]

tüftler translates as tinkerer but since Tinkerer is its onw thing later in the survey my guess is it was meant to be artificer.

[uncut vault]

I imagine they'd still call it Tinker in a final concept, they'd be crazy to not capitalize on that years-long desire

but yeah the description for Artificer sounds a lot closer to a melding of what players want vs a race-agnostic fantasy that fits TLT

[ember blaze]

would gunner fit into that class 🤔

thats one thing id really love/want if they introduce tinker

[uncut vault]

I'd imagine if it really resonates, they'll incorporate it as part of a spec

I don't think gunner is really a fantasy enough to make a whole class, but a spec around augmenting tech and bullets with magic makes for an easy fantasy for a titan-based tinker

[tulip sun]

I really enjoy the idea of racially-themed mech suits.

[deep pawn]

the problem they have tinkerer later on as a totally different name, no idea what the English version of the survey does.

[ember blaze]

agreed. i hope it ends up being the case and we get a cool gunner mixed with magic guns

i just hopeee it's not slapped into hunter or rogue

[deep pawn]

Konstrukteur and Tuftler are both there.

it basically sounds like they can't decide between Azeroth themed or straight up inventors

the later tinker is the same 3 roles

[tulip sun]

A titan/azeroth themed one would fit very well thematically in TLT

But tinkers would be so cool

[deep pawn]

If I had to pick between just Tinkerer or an Azeroth Bard, I have to pick Bard for sounding more unique

[tulip sun]

A tinker class would be quite unique

I honestly have no interest in bard. Too whimsical for me in Azeroth.

[deep pawn]

But Warlock isn't? Using a different type of magic doesn't seem whimsical to me.

It's not gonna be a DnD bard if they go that route.

[tulip sun]

A warlock is quite different imo.

Bards are singing and using instruments in battle.

[ember blaze]

what would be the wep for them in wow tho

i know in ff14 they use a bow

[ember blaze]

I want bard and like the combat of having auras around you...

as long as they make unique auras that all have their uses

[deep pawn]

Blizzard used the term Bard simply as a reference of a class that uses magical music to support its team. The mere fact it'll be using Azeroth's song immediately makes it vastly different than other bards.

You're not gonna have a dwarf singing a drinking song, they'd be channelling the raw essence of Azeroth herself.

[ember blaze]

doesnt matter what route they go to me

i just want another support that isnt aug

and i like the idea of what they said about the bard

[deep pawn]

I'm just trying to say if it got implemented it's highly unlikely it'd be "whimsical."

[tulip sun]

Still sounds like it to me

[deep pawn]

No more whimsical I feel than Monks, Evokers, Mages, and Warlocks.

[ember blaze]

so do you think theyll give them caster weapons 🤔

[deep pawn]

if they're tank/heal/support it'll probably be int/str since it's been so long since we last had one haha

[opaque pewter]

I don't think it's hard to see how the idea of a traditional bard is very different feel from a warlock, and therefore won't be appealing to some people.

Whatever they have in mind, it will work out. It likely won't be exactly as people think or wish, but it will be what was deemed best to fit in the Warcraft style

[deep pawn]

That's my entire point, it won't be a traditional bard.

you're not gonna have someone out there with a lute singing a jaunty tune healing everyone up, it's gonna be more cosmic in theme and appearance.

More likely to be called "Speaker" than Bard.

[opaque pewter]

maybe they can shift a bit over with the idea and have those be drum users, with heavy blunt weapon focus

[deep pawn]

The song will likely fit in with WoW's normal music, lots of orchestral sounds.

or maybe ethereal vocalizations.

[ember blaze]

will we also turn into diamonds 🤔

https://tenor.com/view/wrathion-magni-magni-bronzebeard-battle-for-azeroth-visions-of-nzoth-gif-24405581

[deep pawn]

that's the major cd /hj

[glass fulcrum]

I'd never play a spec that has only 4 buttons lol

[ember blaze]

not the part to focus on

[harsh mason]

In fact, these 1 hour per boss tests are absolutely useless

[sullen dawn]

Thats a huge over reaction @ember blaze lmao

Tinker please, not Bard

Sad

[ember blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/bard-bard-vibe-bard-vibing-bard_vibing-bard_vibe-gif-24902550

[sullen dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-yes-nod-agree-gif-11928667053720670991

[ember blaze]

Me in the last titan

glad u agree

[sullen dawn]

You can still transmog your tinker that way

[tropic trail]

Bard! 😂

[deep pawn]

Well SoD ptr is coming up this week

[deep pawn]

heh, the new class discussion has devolved into calling the survey a troll.

[ember blaze]

people dont believe 😤

[deep pawn]

I mean I would buy that if someone in here didn't mention it days before the german fansite lol

[rain cave]

People don't realise how far out they throw ideas to test

Like just because they put, say, astrologist in there doesn't mean they think it will win

Or fit

But they want to garner reaction to it to see where the line is, or if there is even a line at all. Where they get positive and negative reception

A good example I like to use is the Mundo update in LoL, one of the concepts was literally him being a giant mutant hand. Ofc that don't get picked but it opens up interesting ideas and conversations

[deep pawn]

they're nitpicking the images the fansite used

And the fact no one has leaked screenshots of the English verison

[clear apex]

I love how now people think it's fake, when it's not

And you mean to tell me, that none of taliesin's fans gave him proof?

[silent urchin]

he did it on stream, he's literally just reacting to the same article as everyone else

[clear apex]

I know, I'm watching it.
I checked my email again but the survey says it's closed and you can't look at it anymore

Butttt i have my own screenshots that were taken on my phone, not from this forum post.

I guess someone would just say "fake"

[silent urchin]

personally I think it's real, it seems pretty similar to previous surveys. I don't really see any reason to doubt it

people are reading way too much into the questions though

[clear apex]

Huh how about that

Took about 10 days to get videos on it

[silent urchin]

Survey design is a tricky thing. If you ask a direct question people often give a very biased answer. Or just spam click arbitrarily. There's generally a number of real questions and then a number of fake ones to establish a baseline so they can adjust other answers for comparison

[clear apex]

It did get repetitive on grouping classes i said more yes to then no, and ones that i was indifferent to

[silent urchin]

yeah, it's very common to ask a question and then later ask the inverse of it to see if people are consistent

I think a lot of the class descriptions are intentionally vague for that reason

[clear apex]

Prismatic whatever and titan slayer are ones i liked least

And didn't care about battle mage

[silent urchin]

they want to see how people actually react to the description, rather than just "TINKER YES"

[clear apex]

Not for me but if people ever get it, great

[silent urchin]

It also wouldn't surprise me if the descriptions/class names got randomised between people to an extent

[clear apex]

But funny how a fake survey happened and i talked about it 10 days before anyone made a video on it.
And it was talked about in here a day or two after in this channel hmmmm

Tali needs to take the L

[deep pawn]

Taliesin is on the "it's fake" side?

[silent urchin]

His entire thing is often making hyperbolic, quite often contrarian, predictions cause it makes for good content, he never actually cares if he gets them right (I think he even prefers to be wrong)

I think that was a lot of peoples initial reactions tbh, the translation was kinda off

and mmo-champ forums not known for reliability

[clear apex]

Yes

[deep pawn]

I saw enough people talking about it before the article to be okay without English screenshots.

[clear apex]

Here's an English one....

[novel zodiac]

the video is 42 mins, i think the title is click bait kek

no way im watching all that

[silent urchin]

I thought he was on the side of even if it's real the concepts presented aren't actually directly representative of any actual in progress design blizz are currently working on. It's a market research survey.

[clear apex]

Oh for sure it's clickbait, but it's not fake and he believes it is

He literally said "of course people will come and say it's real"

[novel zodiac]

im still skeptical cause half the classes dont sound like wow at all

[clear apex]

He seems to think the people saying it's real are just trying to hype others

[novel zodiac]

i hope its real

and if its real, i hope we get gunner or gunslinger

[clear apex]

They don't sound real. My friend said they just sound like ff14 classes, and they do

Specifically machinist,dragoon, astologian

[novel zodiac]

Bellular said they sound more like new specs or hero talents

and meaby they are

[clear apex]

I could see the gunner stuff being rogue

[novel zodiac]

yeah, but making a whole new weapon for one spec?

weird

[clear apex]

Maybe they're taking inspo from a certain psever 👁

[silent urchin]

half the classes not sounding like wow is kinda the point. This isn't a popularity vote of "Hey we're going to implement whatever you vote for". It's a survey. They want to find out what people really think, not just what they think they want. They need to establish a comparison between something new and something existing.

[novel zodiac]

yeah, i dont know how surveys actually work but feedback should be usefull even for fake things

[clear apex]

Id like witch, gunner, necro, and Tinker (i guess)
They fit fine i think

[pulsar minnow]

praying to all that is holy that Titanslayer ends up being the pick even though I know it wont. Its like everything I'd want in a WoW class

[clear apex]

Other stuff just feels like a weird hero class

Warden feels like it would be nelf only.

[novel zodiac]

id like tinker if its ground level tinker and not cosmic "im going to use titan stuff" tinker

fuck the titans

[clear apex]

Yeah i wouldn't want titan either

[pulsar minnow]

I think titan tinker could work as a spec

Like different kinds of engineering for each spec

[clear apex]

That would be fine

I think having more gnome and goblin spec would be cool too

[pulsar minnow]

So DPS would be like Goblin Engineering, Tank could be Gnomish, healing/support could be Titanic

[clear apex]

That could be cool

[novel zodiac]

woah

yes

that sounds actually cool

[clear apex]

You get goblin shredder and bombs

[deep pawn]

I really want the bard even if calling it a tinker and using Azeroth's Song feels weird.

[pulsar minnow]

i honestly really like the radiant song integration tbh

[deep pawn]

But as a "tinkerer" would only make people really mad.

[pulsar minnow]

I think its a really good idea to try and give like a real power/lore reason as to why music would enhance someones abilities even thought it isnt necessary

[novel zodiac]

yeah, radiant song bard its different, but a regular bard wouldn't fit in WoW

so its actually a nice way to make it

[deep pawn]

My only issue is selling a bard as the much requested tinkerer. But the German survey called both bard and the Prismatic tinkerers.

[austere gazelle]

PTR 11.1 this week you think?

[deep pawn]

I hope so

They said this month and this is the last week it can be

[austere gazelle]

I hope it'll be stable enough because they'll just have maintenance mode before the holidays xD

[sullen dawn]

No one requests Tinkerer

[deep pawn]

What sheltered world do you live in? People have demanded Tinkerers for over a decade now

[clear apex]

Mandala universe

[sullen dawn]

No they (including me) have demanded Tinkers

No idea wtf a tinkerer is

[sullen dawn]

Nah

[clear apex]

It's a joke

[sullen dawn]

Tinkerer?

[clear apex]

IDK maybe he mispelled it, it happens

[sullen dawn]

Keeps happening lmao, I think he's doing it on purpose :p

[clear apex]

shrug

[sullen dawn]

And yeh I'm a huge Tinker fan

[deep pawn]

Tinker and Tinkerer are synonyms in my head, sorry.

[glass flicker]

You know, I'm kinda intrigued by the Titankiller class. I imagine some sort of class that excels in single-target and is tailored to destroying raid bosses.

[upper pasture]

Tinker and tinkerer are both words

[deep pawn]

SERVERS UP

oh hey, they added a bee mount for the horde

it's all black though

[warm topaz]

Dalaran questline in 3 weeks!

lol

[silent urchin]

Is the prologue questline available?

Wild that the dalaran one isn't

I know a cutscene got datamined but that can happen even if quests are gated

[warm topaz]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/lingering-shadows-questline-achievement-and-rewards-354788

[deep pawn]

I don't like these flowers

oh the cutscene transition!

have they done that before?

[uncut vault]

bit awkward lol

[uncut vault]

A couple times, most notably in the Dalaran intro for TWW where Ansurek first appears

[deep pawn]

ah

Renzik not being voiced feels like a bug

[ember blaze]

[upper pasture]

sad mastery. 😦

[ember blaze]

too bad their mastery got gutted

[deep pawn]

Bards are a given, Siren's Isle I think proves it to me

The crystal here sings inspiration

One of the new emote items haha

[ember blaze]

real

[deep pawn]

oh boo, gems have to be rearned

despite being WUE

oh I guess you can buy and warbank

[deep pawn]

but you can recollect to save some iron

[sleek solar]

Did they buff Shadowlands raids again?

They seem harder than before the patch

The robot boss in Sepulcher keeps oneshotting me at ilvl 614

I used to do them on ilvl 580

[hoary trail]

which boss? half of the bosses in there are robots

[austere gazelle]

Azeroth world soul's sing a song of harmony, but she's not a titan bard lol. Those crystal are of her essence, their singing nature, the harmony , is a given. Bard or not bard, I'm not sure its conclusive as of now.

[lone mantle]

Azeroth's world soul embodies cosmic harmony, like Harmonia Mundi, where the universe’s order sings. It’s not a bard creating music with artistic intent, but rather an architect shaping reality through its natural song of creation. 🌟 💫

[silent urchin]

no the word song definitely only has one meaning, so it's clearly connected to bards being announced for 11.1

[lone mantle]

Is that verified information?

[sleek solar]

Sry, this one https://www.wowhead.com/npc=184915/halondrus

Only tried on mythic

I used to kill him right after he moved to the 2nd part, now he makes it to the 3rd part when he one shots me

Used to do it on Surv hunter, now on MM but I dont think that should make a difference

[deep pawn]

TGP finals end February 16th.

No surprise there since I'm assuming patch date is 2/25.

[ionic terrace]

looks like they are doing classic ptr today

[deep pawn]

I NEED 11.1

https://www.wowhead.com/news/world-of-warcrafts-first-teleportation-service-companion-pet-coming-soon-354941

what the hell?

[clear apex]

idk but i want one

just, please dont give us the ugly red/green one

[deep pawn]

the red/green is trading post for next month I wager

[clear apex]

yknow, id go for it if it's the reward at the end

really like the blue one though

[deep pawn]

New toy

[rain cave]

Idk if its a hot take but fun utility companions could be nice to have more of

Give pets more to do than just the battlepet system

(It would also be fun to have a squire/companion system for a patch to try out with actual power tied to it and if it works make that a feature but that's far out)

[ember blaze]

link

[ember blaze]

like... make battle pets close to class pets?

[deep pawn]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=235017/glittering-vault-shard

rare drop from the 3 rares in the vault.

hmm, I wonder if this is quoting Cyrce or someone else.

[ember blaze]

this is all i see.

[ionic terrace]

👁️

[deep pawn]

no shocker there

[silent urchin]

the dk starting area?

[deep pawn]

they're doing something with the Scarlet's in SoD

[silent urchin]

I wish they would either go ahead and integrate it with retail or come out and say "Yeah it's not canon we're just going off the rails"

absolutely hate the idea of retail relevant lore in a different game

something something found photgraphs

[deep pawn]

Doesn't bug me personally.

[tulip sun]

I don't play it, but I still enjoy it

It is kind of...retroactively making the world more detailed

[ember blaze]

would yall be against what arcane did with league of legends

the writers kinda getting free reign to do whatever

and changing a lot of things with the lore established in the game

are people against the idea of sod doing what theyre doing 🤔

although theyre not changing anything right 🤔

[tulip sun]

SoD are not changing anything. They're adding to the lore though

A TV show can do whatever it wants bc (most of the time) it's it's own universe

[ember blaze]

the tv show became canon

since they wanted to make all those extra projects to be like one canon lore

in my opinion the show made some things better

[tulip sun]

I know nothing about LoL

But in general tv/movie adaptions arnt the same canon universe is what i mean

[glass fulcrum]

I don’t have the exact quote blizzard used about SoD in terms of how to view it in terms of it being the past, but basically new stuff was always there but didn’t lead to anything.

Stuff like they can have us kill some random big bad of the crusade we never heard of and say oh yeah well he died to some random adventurers (in terms of explaining why we don’t know them)

There are some obvious holes in this, but it also just, a seasonal game mode.

[ember blaze]

im okay with it if it adds something new to the story

or just those gaps we dont really see or hear about

so is this siren isle meant to be this... barren or is there some weekly questline that we havent seen yet

[deep pawn]

that's it

there's different weekly quests

some mobs swap out

[rain cave]

No

They wouldn't engage in combat, they're more like little companions that provide benefits

Like any borrowed power system really, but just very minor to add some flavour

Like if you want a little baby wolf to give you a small crit buff every now and again

[uncut vault]

Issue is it also basically deleted half of the champions from the region from the lore lol

Arcane's great, but it was also clearly not written with the game's lore in mind

[deep pawn]

I treated it like HotS, the summoner's pulled the champs from the peak of their power in their timeline

[deep pawn]

Oh, it used to be part of the game lore but it isn't anymore haha

[austere gazelle]

mmm if the ptr doesnt come up tomorrow or today then it wont be available till january ...

[sleek solar]

Stromgarde as the first "mixed" city?

[tulip sun]

That's a big jump

[sleek solar]

Why?

Both Orcs and ofcourse citizens of Stromgarde live there, and already had some sort of relationship

[tulip sun]

Stromgarde is an alliance kingdom. The
Mag'har are a bunch of unified orcish clans and a member of the Horde.

Then most inhibiting the same mountain range doesn't mean they should cohabitate a city.

And the big thing is that there is tension and issues of these two nations being neighbors to begin with, let alone live with eachother

[upper pasture]

Just because in the short story they somewhat resolved an issue at hand doesn’t mean they are gonna just bunk up together in a city

[ionic terrace]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24166264/wowcast-take-a-trip-into-the-undermine-in-our-next-content-update

looks like no ptr

[tulip sun]

Kinda surprised by that

[sullen dawn]

Peter in January

[pulsar minnow]

“D.R.I.V.E. is roughly 3-5x faster than a ground mount and a little faster than skyriding at max speed”

Excited to test this more than anything else tbh

[iron hare]

The raid looks so good

Like genuinley I think this could be like one of the best raids ever, there's just soooooo much potential for just pure chaotic fun

[pulsar minnow]

I love this warrior tier set. Chestplate is obviously unfinished but it looks so sick

[deep pawn]

Ion lied. /hj

Wowcasts usually go up just before the ptr so something must have gone wrong

[novel zodiac]

Man, that rogue tier its so good

[upper pasture]

Think that’s Druid next to rogue? Also rogues eating good with all this pirate stuff lately

Weapons look like they are gonna be amazing

That warrior set just looks like every other warrior set tho

The delve seasonal challenge mount looks amazing too

[iron hare]

That tank boss looks crazy

I hope the di fight has custom music

[dense plover]

We got confirmation story mode is returning and we won’t have to wait as long

A week after raid launch is MUCH better

[deep pawn]

Yay for fast access to a heroic crafting token

This ptr is only gonna be up for like 4 weeks before release candidate

[dense plover]

I’m also really glad we get two new delves, new delve variants, and a new dungeon

They don’t do the new non-mega dungeon thing often enough and it really does help make the expansion better

The last expac to do that was legion and that ruled

Though I am curious what our mega dungeon will look like if we end up getting one

Wouldn’t be massively surprised if we don’t. I have to imagine they aren’t played enough and that investing into two regular dungeons might be a better use of resources

[deep pawn]

I'm pretty sure the WoW direct said no mega dungeon cause the formula felt stale?

[iron hare]

I think it said that they wanted to add new stuff but it wasn't off the table

Honestly I prefer patch dungeons, idk they give patches more flare

Also idk tazavesh mechagon felt like so Much when it was filler and disconnected from the story, I'd rather dungeons actually relate to the patch and story

Dawn was the opposite would rather have that been the raid imo (althoigh aberrus is my favorite of the dragonflight raids)

[sleek solar]

Didn't mean living together, but accepting horde as visitors

But I forgot about the night elf tree

[deep pawn]

Also, who said there'd be no way DRIVE would be skyriding speed, we were both wrong, it's even faster lol

[upper pasture]

I feel like they were testing the waters with the chromie codex buff where it lets you go super fast for like 30 seconds

[iron hare]

Drive mounts better get a radio like the hot rod did

And can run people over (doubt it but it be funny)

[sleek solar]

xD

I just need the hot rod horn

[clear apex]

And maybe gilneas. Since horde helped fix what they messed up by driving out the scarlet crusade too

[pulsar minnow]

Me 💀

I said it would be fast but not as fast

[sleek solar]

Well we havent seen rebuilt Gilneas yet

[deep pawn]

one thing to note, the wowcast implies they're gonna add some junkyard loot to the workshop loot table.

They specified the Remote Guidance Device in the wowcast, but they might add the rings.

[ember blaze]

@sullen dawn

[sleek solar]

They made me wanna make a Goblin character

[clear apex]

Same.

[deep pawn]

Ptr notes!

I'm almost positive they intended for it to be up today but it was stable

[silent urchin]

that holy priest set bonus is such garbage :(

[iron hare]

Lame it's next year

[silent urchin]

sub rogue seems like it's got an insane set bonus but I don't know that much about sub rogue

[novel zodiac]

they're all lazy garbage

bro, fuck RNG

[silent urchin]

eh, most of them have an "always occur when you press cooldown" part

at least for damage

mistweaver and resto shammy seem to have also been screwed by set bonuses

resto druid doesn't look great to me either but I dunno much about them

holy pally might be ok, might be underwhelming

[warm topaz]

well they post them early to get feedback

[upper pasture]

Dev looks okay, Aug I haven’t put much thought into

[deep pawn]

The healer ones all look fine

[uncut vault]

Melee ones are a mess lol

RNG on RNG

[silent urchin]

A lot of them are really weird

Like the sub rogue one seems to want you to pool the buff for cooldowns, but does that mean you don't want to press finishers?

gonna feel awful if you either don't make enough, or especially consume too many, purely based off RNG

Also where is this build wowhead get to datamine

can the rest of us see it

[deep pawn]

These are all notes Blizzard posted

Ptr was clearly intended for today

[silent urchin]

I'm talking about the "We've datamined X" news posts that include clearly datamined information that's not in the blizz posts

[vernal juniper]

yeah

they got the build somehow

blizzard give it to them? who knows

[silent urchin]

tbh it wouldn't be the first time they've appeared to have early access

[vernal juniper]

free advertisment

maybe they even pay 😄

[deep pawn]

I guess the most recent vendor build wasn't encrypted or they have access

[vernal juniper]

well but you need to have the ok from blizzard to get the data I guess

otherwise idk if it is legal lol

but I don't know i'm dumb for this thing but I'm seeing other dataminers having the data

[silent urchin]

well none of them seem to want to share

[vernal juniper]

ofc

[tulip sun]

Yeah doubt we will get anything else

[silent urchin]

Twins of the Sun Priestess Power Infusion also grants you 100% of its effectsits effect at 100% value when used on an ally. If no ally is targeted, it will grant its effect at 100% value to a nearby ally, preferring damage dealers.

huh

let jesus take the wheel to the problem of who gets PI

[tropic trail]

Haha 😂

This is why being a priest is fun

[pulsar minnow]

these are genuinely like the best tier sets ever imo appearance wise

[upper pasture]

It will just be like Aug was, you will stand close to the priest and hope

[silent urchin]

I don't think nearby literally means closest, just within 40 yards or so

although don't tell the DPS that

[fathom idol]

"Eagle Eye is now only learned by Marksmanship Hunters" - Words cannot express my anger at this change...

[iron hare]

I want the dungeon journal released 😭😭😭

[iron hare]

Wait is that it???

I love that

Chrome king is a v intresting name

[upper pasture]

I do wonder if he gets the azerite treatment

If only for the fight or something raid related

[warm topaz]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/mythic-chrome-king-gallywix-mount-in-patch-11-1-the-big-g-355152

[iron hare]

He looks normal in the preview

Does chrome relate to detheroc at all

[silent urchin]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=231265/the-jastor-diamond

lots of trinkets too

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=232526/best-in-slots https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=232805/best-in-slots oh boy that's gonna cause arguments

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=231311/frontmans-wondrous-wall ah references that half the playerbase is now too young to get

surprising amount of love themed items but I can't see this coming out before valentines day

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=235283/bashful-book

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/achievement=41210/let-me-solo-him-the-underpin new delve boss is "The underpin" I guess.

seems like bountys in delves are being made less RNG

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=235559/hidden-trove

also new darkmoon mounts..

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=230850/delve-o-bot-7001 ooh Delve-O-Bot 7001 Item Level 1 Binds when picked up Toy Use: Call down Delve-O-Bot 7001 to get a ride to a random Bountiful Delve. (1 Hour Cooldown)

butterfly mog!

butterflies are animated

[ionic terrace]

cute

[silent urchin]

4 colours of it, some matching weapons, and also matching mounts

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=235716/ensemble-cloak-of-infinite-potential mop remix cloak transmogs returning somehow?

||https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=224772/bounty-from-gallywix https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=224797/zirdos-ledger || some quest items with potential story spoilers, seems like there's a bit more to what's going on than people think

||https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=231089/correspondence-from-zirdo|| or maybe it is what people think

||https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=232944/ethereal-warning-letter|| probably nothing to worry about

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=235710/noggenfogger-select-fresh

[deep pawn]

Hope that's a raid drop

[silent urchin]

raid or new dungeon I assume

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=228614/comprehend-rat-language-potion

[deep pawn]

Could be world quest reward too

[ionic terrace]

what is this and why

[deep pawn]

Astrologian confirmed

[silent urchin]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/achievement=41116/algari-delver-ii oh that's gonna be annoying

there's also a tier 11 one for each spec, but not overall

lmao, the titles

[pulsar minnow]

yeah so looks like the very empty part of ringing deeps is getting overhauled

[pulsar minnow]

and it also does seem like as predicted we're gonna get to undermine from Zandalar

[ionic terrace]

[pulsar minnow]

Undermine is disconnected

thats a wayfinder icon on it, like Nazjatar

[ionic terrace]

no im just keking at the icon

[pulsar minnow]

oh gotcha

mb

[silent urchin]

this matches the really early leaked minimap in tww beta

It might be physically connected but I think the idea is it's in a different location in universe, not part of the ringing deeps

[pulsar minnow]

kinda dont like that undermine is disconnected but makes sense gameplay and lorewise. I just really prefer the zones of the expansions to all be connected becuse it makes the world feel larger

[silent urchin]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/achievement=41586/racing-to-a-revolution oh that's how you get the gallagio background

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/achievement=41537/nyi-buddy-system-vii more brann levels

[pulsar minnow]

is it just me or does the undermine zone seem kinda small? obv its just a map so its a bit early to judge

[silent urchin]

it's about what I expected, probably bigger than it looks

there's the city, then the outdoor area with all the black blood harvesting which is separate

don't seem to have items yet but there's icons for turtle shell capes

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/icon=6361205/inv-cape-special-turtleshell-c-01

there seems to be a lot of TMNT references in the zone

lots of rats and pizza

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/icon=6383562/inv-111-fishingbobber-meat

oh, lots of new upgrades for brann too

oh probably the new curios

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/npc=234056/lord-ibelin-redmoore

[deep pawn]

awww

[deep pawn]

I'm gonna be so poor with the mogs and mounts coming to the trading post.

[proper palm]

Pal Normal mode color hit sooooo hard i love him

But I so dream to see the red go to yellow/gold

[clear apex]

That darmoon mount is awesome

[dense plover]

dudes - monk sets are awesome

we are 2 for 2 this expac

first we get an ox

now we got a dragon with tattoos!

[clear apex]

Wonder how bad that'll look on females since we can't be topless

Here's a shitty bulky cloth wrap

[dense plover]

wtf the pvp mounts are awesome

electro eel?

[deep pawn]

you're Goku

https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/1205135.jpg

That's literally a super saiyan

[clear apex]

Shenlongs mask too, nice

[deep pawn]

tattoos on Pandaren fur look weird

[ember blaze]

[deep pawn]

I mean we're still waiting for payoff for that celestial armor set right?

shop sets don't mean a ton.

[ember blaze]

we are?

[ember blaze]

u see anything regarding tinkers/bards?

[deep pawn]

I mean I don't think we've ran into anyone who looks like that yet?

[ember blaze]

how likely is it for that to be related to elune

cause 🌙

[deep pawn]

who knows?

It's just a random armor set, looks store shop though

[ember blaze]

have they ever hinted store mogs towards future stuff

i know mounts do

and that would be our second space themed mog

[uncut vault]

Well, Brann has a really on the nose new ability

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=230228/pocket-factory

[ember blaze]

tinker confirmed

[deep pawn]

I don't know what the next class will be, but I'm down for so many

Can't we have Bard, Tinker, and Astrologian?

[uncut vault]

It sure would be nice to be spoiled on class fantasies every two years like FFXIV haha

[deep pawn]

They don't gotta make 2-3 specs

[uncut vault]

but I think the WoW community would have a minor meltdown if they did one spec classes lol

[ember blaze]

I think 2 specs should be minimum

[deep pawn]

I'm not against a single spec class if it has an extremely strong identity

especially if it let us get 2 entirely different class fantasies

[ember blaze]

is this an empower spell

[rain cave]

This is the plunderstorm ability!

So yes I think it works like that

[ember blaze]

oooo i remember it now!

if they do keep it the same with the empower bar, wondering why they didnt do that with the MM rework 🤔 by adding an empower bar to at least aimed shot

morgan eons ago said that could work with hunters where you just pull back your bow a lot

would have been cool

[deep pawn]

So on a scale of 1 to "this needs to be censored in some states" how on purpose is the design of this and calling it The Backroom

[rain cave]

Ship it

[rain cave]

A good hunter set?! In this economy?!

I just saw the new sets

I like how mage looks like vyranoth

Even if its not very gobliny

[ember blaze]

didnt see anyone mention this DJ boss from next raid

Another hit for bard

[sullen dawn]

I wanna see the open world goblin sets

[sullen dawn]

Seems more like another castle nathria style fight?

[ember blaze]

which one?

[sullen dawn]

The shimmy left guy

Prance forward!

[sleek solar]

Sashay left

Boogie down!

[ember blaze]

https://bsky.app/profile/keyboardturner.bsky.social/post/3ldplwmig2c2v

Ellie - might post spoilers-ish 💙 (@keyboardturner.bsky.social)

Ethereals #⛏️

Bluesky · Dec 20, 2024, 4:56 AM

[tropic trail]

Hell yea! Ethereal astromancer please! 🙏

They look perfect

[harsh mason]

11.2 ethereal raid 🗿

[lone mantle]

Brilliant! They will undoubtedly look magnificent in this Rogue set. I cannot wait to the opportunity to undergo a race change.

[ember blaze]

bandages ontop of bandages

[fathom idol]

Bandageception

[lone mantle]

There are never quite enough bandages for a swift mummification!

[silent urchin]

I'm gonna go ahead and suggest not staying there

at least we're guaranteed the mandatory poop quests for this expansion

[tropic trail]

Why not 😹

[tropic trail]

lol now you will be killing people and mumyfying them

[silent urchin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226403529894526987/1319644633193648230/image.png?ex=6766b656&is=676564d6&hm=7586623e16a2de1c355b560024df5f0fb638d2f18377f5b79fedcf212b8ce8a9& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226403529894526987/1319644729440469002/image.png?ex=6766b66d&is=676564ed&hm=71668c98f0ce7b8520248efe886bab62347ee599da78eb77c3c5f983fb78dc92&

incredible

[warm topaz]

guys what are your thoughts on 11.0.7?

do you like it?

[glass flicker]

DUDE THIS ROGUE SET

[harsh mason]

The usual mini patch

[rain cave]

They are so becoming playable lmao

[rain cave]

I'm wondering how they're going to pull this off of they do do that

Because it has a lot of overlap with midnight

It won't be offplanet is my guess

I'm assuming roots + ethereals is the plot

[silent urchin]

I feel like they're being set up for midnight more

[rain cave]

Yeah

[sullen dawn]

K'aresh does seem like a stretch for 11.2 but it's not impossible imo

Especially if they wanna go full "void realm" for end of midnight

K'aresh as far as we known isn't a void seat of power, does it Ake sense as the final void battleground? Possibly, if we get more context/lore, but equally it could fit in TWW and we go even deeper into void territory on 12.2

I could see it going either way. Either core of Azeroth in 11.2 and K'aresh in 12.2, or K'aresh in 11.2 and some sort of 'void realm/seat of power' in 12.2

Either way I think Azshara is the final boss of Midnight

[rain cave]

As long as Karesh isn't too purple as a place I think it can work

Like if they play it up as a sort of azeroth mirror

The ultimate plot twist would be if Beledar is actually a fragment of Karesh, and the gold of azerite is actually the dual aspect of azeroth and a part of kareshes world soul

Doubt it though

[sullen dawn]

This could definitely work imo. The fact they had their own radiant song could easily tie it and the ethereals into the expansion closer and act as a segway into midnight

It could go either way imo. Just as likely to be a midnight zone

[ember blaze]

not again 🛌

[sullen dawn]

Haha, she's definitely been climbing the void "corporate ladder" imo

[tropic trail]

lol 😂

And will probably end up with nothing as the lesson of the void says

[warm topaz]

this is my favourite model so far

[ember blaze]

ill take a unique race like that

enough with the dwarves

[sullen dawn]

We can have both

Dwarves are awesome

[ember blaze]

thats fair, but we dont need 3.

[sullen dawn]

Tell that the to elves

Dark iron are probably the coolest playable race in the game, and I feel like earthen were sufficiently different to include, plus they gave horde a dorf option. That's definitely enough now though

[lone mantle]

Remakable.

[quaint hatch]

whats that from????

[silent urchin]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=233050/ensemble-shining-vestments-of-the-heavens https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=233052/ensemble-radiant-vestments-of-the-heavens no idea where yet

[deep pawn]

Reddit is whining they look too solid.

[deep pawn]

Thats the moon looking set that I'm almost certain is a shop set?

[silent urchin]

yeah

[deep pawn]

It looks too fancy to be trading post but who knows

[quaint hatch]

nahhhhh a shop set 🫠🫠🫠🫠

[ember blaze]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/i-think-mm-rework-means-tinkers-are-coming/2031326

[deep pawn]

Maybe but still feels like a stretch

[ember blaze]

nah theyre onto something

and MM just getting a whole fantasy rework mid expac

[silent urchin]

he gets a mace tho

I also don't recall seeing a mech you can fight in

oh wait that is in

[ember blaze]

where?

[silent urchin]

but it's not really a fight in thing

[ember blaze]

i saw a shotgun and some pistol

[ember blaze]

you can hop on it

[silent urchin]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=232932/brann-bronzebeards-mace

[harsh mason]

To be honest, now I have even more confidence that in the past Xal was either from the ethereal race or from another race that had lost their bodies.

[quartz lintel]

Guys i cant believe its happening

the hint about the huge potential Ethaeral race as playable is huge

[silent urchin]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24166331

[quaint hatch]

THESE ARE SOOOO GOOODDDD

[harsh mason]

Guys, is this model from files or a fake?

If not, then the cool thing is that the blood of the old gods is pumped into his robot

[silent urchin]

it's in the files

and yes, goblins are using the blood in a lot of things

possibly even going as far as to put it in kajamite, although not 100% certain on that

[thin warren]

those silly Goblins

[proper palm]

@harsh mason

[proper palm]

Azerith 2.0 😭

[silent urchin]

My pet theory atm is that black blood is actually azeroth's blood in the same way as azerite was, just from a part that's been void infused, similar to how beledar is part that's been light infused

[harsh mason]

Ok, 11.1 is Warhammer 40,000.

[hazy kettle]

11.2 confirmed to be Warhammer 40k², you heard it here first

[livid walrus]

wowhead got their own faction

[ember blaze]

anyone datamined or seen anything else that's interesting? 🤔

[ember blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/scared-oh-god-omg-terror-terrified-gif-19105262

[sleek solar]

I hate it so much that I love it

[livid walrus]

This is a set. I just placed it on gnome model

[silent urchin]

there's 4 colours but I think some of the others are missing parts still

[ember blaze]

oh cool

i thought it was just some monster npc we'll meet soon

[livid walrus]

Haha

[deep pawn]

It looks like a Haranir set

[livid walrus]

File name is gnomegarden

[sleek solar]

Yeah its literally a Gnomes people have in their gardens xD

[iron hare]

Oh we're so getting mimiron 2.0

[deft cloud]

Do we know what ilvl heroic dungeon gear or normal raid gear is going to be in S2 ? Roughly ?

[rain cave]

Gonk magician

[livid walrus]

3.0*

[iron hare]

What's 2.0?

[livid walrus]

the engineer mount you can can get shematic from motherload.

[livid walrus]

Mecha-mogul mk2

[iron hare]

I meant more like the mechanic of building up to a huge robot boss fight

Like how mimiron went feet torso head

Looks like the same thing here

Head ps1 torso p2

[livid walrus]

ah. idk

we will need to see

[deep pawn]

Lfr gear is starting at 623 on ptr or minimum mythic raid

Add 13 for each difficulty up

636 normal, 649 heroic, and 662 minimum for mythic.

So max ilvl in s2 should be 678.

Yeah that tracks. Season jumps have been 39 ilvls since they added gear upgrades

[iron hare]

Any dungeon journal stuff on ptr?

[deep pawn]

Maybe but no ptr up to check. Wowhead will likely post descriptions eventually

[quaint hatch]

why do all the new 11.1 Sets look like they should have been released in Shadowlands?
Druid - looks like a Maldraxxi Set
Deathknight - fits perfectly into Shadowlands
Paladin - looks like a player Version of Anduins Set
Hunter - like come on.... this guy came straight out of Torghast
Warlock - DEATH in Person
Rogue - looks like he came straight out of Revendreth
Priest - looks like he would kill you in Torghast
ONLY Evoker, Mage, Shaman, Warrior and DH are kind of neutral and not super Shadowlands related

[harsh mason]

They look like class sets in different styles (in this case, heroic specializations). Class sets are no longer tied to the raid or expansion theme. The style of the raid or patch is linked to the equipment from the open world. Class sets are now only in class style

[quaint hatch]

but those class sets stiiiill look very death inspired

[harsh mason]

This is a coincidence and far from everything.

For example, druids have a set in the style of drustvar, simply because there has never been such a thing for a druid.

Demon hunter is generally a piece of felreaver armor.

Magicians are more suitable for primalists

[warm topaz]

i like DH one

very unique

[rain cave]

there's a lot of different styles not just SL tho

the mage set is very dragonflight for example

the DH set I would argue is on theme for the goblin stuff

because it looks like a some of those giant fel robot bosses we've fought

[rain cave]

tbf sometimes they are

when they think it can work they make the tier fit the raid

and there are sometimes when even just the "aura" of the raid has influence on the sets, even if i's just colourations or if the set is "edgy/corrupted" vs pure class

like how in nerubar we had an ethereal rogue set, probably because we had voidy stuff going on + the nexus princess, Mage set is dalaran inspired which fits the intro of TWW, priest set fits beledar,

but yeah they're not doing as many directly raid themed sets anymore which there are some ups and downs to xD

though if they do it when it fits it'll be fine

I jsut realized we don't really have any broken armour aesthetics, would be sick if one tier the warrior set is lierally fractured, like the helmet is cracked in half, asymmetrical shoulders where they're cracked in differen ways.

might work better for DK's though if they themed it like a fallen soldiers armour, give it ghostly parts

[harsh mason]

I would say that it has always been like this. For example, hunt set tier in antorus in the style of naga

[rain cave]

it's not always, look at final tier of SL, Vault of Incarnates

firelands

etc

[deep pawn]

To be fair after voti they did say they weren't gonna do as many raid themed sets

[uncut vault]

I think Aberrus struck the best balance, and I wish they’d used that philosophy here

All clearly built around draconic themes, but with a distinct play on how that class might express it

So shamans got storm drake pelts, warriors become dragon knights, druids have leafy wings, etc.

You never guess why any of these sets come from Undermine by comparison, which is a shame because goblins have serious lack of class expression in the already scarce amount of techy armor sets

[rain cave]

to be fair, some of them do fit undermine

just not "goblin" as much

[silent urchin]

we're getting some pretty nice themed sets in the green/unranked pvp stuff

I'm not sure we need the tier set stuff as well

[uncut vault]

Those are just recolors of the outdoor sets

[rain cave]

as I said earlier, DH has that sort of "fel Mech" thing going on, like the doomwalkers and stuff weve fought in raids

you could argue the mage set being more elemental fits with the underground setting

rogue being generally piratey fits goblins as well I suppose,

warrior also looks generally pretty robotic

but yeah the connections to the setting are a bit more strained for sure

tbf I think the hunter set is the most confusing to me though

[uncut vault]

The mage one being an ice theme for the goblin patch is pretty much the opposite of thematic :P

[rain cave]

since they could have gone with a tinkery set for that one for SURE

[uncut vault]

Main ones that disappoint me are priest and shaman tbh

[rain cave]

I think those two look cool

[uncut vault]

They’re two pretty weak themes, and they’re two classes that have racially no meaningful lore or visual fantasy for goblins

[rain cave]

model wise I think DK and Paladin are the weaker ones for me

since I feel we've seen very similar sets before

that being said the paladin one has a colour variation that redeems it for me since it feels like it's teasing nelf paladins lmao

with that white blue colour scheme exactly like the heritage recolour

something that i've noticed about a lot of the armour sets in recent memory though is that

I never see people tmog them

[uncut vault]

I do, but that’s mainly because I’m on an RP server lol

[rain cave]

I've not even seen people running around in like, amirdrassil armour

now that that's a bit older

[uncut vault]

Plus Blizz have been coordinating color palettes between different tiers since DF

It’s most noticeable on warlock, but paladin has it too now with this set

[rain cave]

i will say they did finally learn with paladin

no more GREEN

whoever was making those green colours for paladin I stg 💀

the mage set is weird though, since it's meant to be ice themed, but then a decent chunk of the colours are red?

[ember blaze]

was this not a result of players crying and telling them to stop basing them on raid?

[uncut vault]

Well…

[uncut vault]

I think people are right in that this xpac’s tier sets are intended to be themed around hero talents

This tier for mage would be frostfire, so the orange/red variants makes sense

[rain cave]

oh I know that's what they were going for

but I feel just colouring ice orange doesn't quite do that

makes it look like amber

having a like gradient from ice to fire? with like superheated tips and a cold core that would be cool

or having fire vfx and ice body

[rain cave]

FUCK

genuinely why do they keep doing green

if they want green armour? sure! fine! that can look good in fact!
but WHY the green energy

it's not like yellow/gold doesn't work with green

[silent urchin]

v0v you get at least 4 colours, not liking one still leaves you with 3

[uncut vault]

Someone on the art team really wants kul tiran paladins to have a good backlog of fitting green outfits when they eventually become playable I guess lol

[rain cave]

I'm saying they can do the green tint better if they really want green as paladin colour

[rain cave]

but that's the think the green makes them not look like paladins

makes them look more unholy/fel like

because the energy is ALSO green

[uncut vault]

So what you’re saying is we need forsaken plague paladins

[rain cave]

that's just an unholy dk though 💀

it's so annoying that trying to look for an example of green and gold working just gives me AI slop because as soon as you put "knight" or "paladin" in as a search term you tap into the slop archives

ok but unironically these images kinda show what I mean

they CAN still put gold in, why change the energy to green

not once have I seen a paladin use the green tints of any armour that also has green energy

[sullen dawn]

Legion lives rent free in their heads

[rain cave]

if it was at least the LFR set consistently, or the low tier PvP set, I'd not be ok with it but I'd begin to understand it a bit

but they slap these fucking green sets into heroic or the elite pvp sometimes

genuinely want to interview the artists behind it as someone who does gameart because I need to know the logic

also coincidentally I just realized they forgot to change the light colour of the blue mage orbs

green torments me where I go

[warm topaz]

what happened to the artifact weapons lore wise after the events of Legion?

[rain cave]

depends on the artifact but think the majority of them ended up in the dalaran vaults

so yes, what you're thinking did happen

[warm topaz]

what about the dagger? im doing the Xal questline in BFA

how did the dagger end up on Zuldazar?

[clear apex]

That's... paladin??

Good gods it's ugly

[rain cave]

I assume it got put into the vault and worked its way back out again

though xalatath things

[rain cave]

go look at other paladin tier even going back to Legion

they do this SO consistently

[clear apex]

Yeah the best armor they've done for paladin/ plate has been the arathi set

Recently*

But that does not say paladin to me.
It's pretty generic and it looks more like warrior?
The leg plate stuff also looks bad and out of place

I do wish they'd gone with raid themes. Would have been more fun. Even the outdoor sets feel a bit off to me and don't really scream goblin

[upper pasture]

I actually like this paladin set, gives SW/Anduin vibes

[clear apex]

But i will say, at least all the tier sets are rather ugly

I think monk wins though. It's the only one i find to be good and i would like that no matter what

[clear apex]

There's parts i like but it feels a bit pieced together

[upper pasture]

Personally I like monk/rogue/dk/pally sets this time around

[clear apex]

The shoulders are good

I want the goku set so bad.

I'll lfr just to get it

[sullen dawn]

The arathi set? It's extremely paladin centric

[upper pasture]

They are talking about the new tier set not the arathi set, the said that that one is the most paladin one in recent years

[clear apex]

I even pointed out that the arathi set was good for paladin 8)

[sullen dawn]

Ah I misunderstood your comment

I agree with you on this tier though, mostly ugly but the monk set is awesome

I would have rather we some zany goblin themed sets. Raid theme sets were a better direction imo, you can still add class flair, just need to get the balance right

[clear apex]

I was looking forward to rockets, bombs, dynamite and gears

[upper pasture]

I was hoping for some like LEDs attached/barely attached to sets but sadly no :/

[clear apex]

That would be cool

Hell, even some gaudy goblin leopard and tiger print stuff with hints of gliterry neon cloth would be neat

Crushed cans of soda used as patches on metal

[warm topaz]

weird

i would like to know how she did it

[silent urchin]

Presumably the same way she gets you to do it

[clear apex]

Didn't see this posted here yet, but damn, love this

[silent urchin]

kept speaking to people and telling them to move her

[rain cave]

that's sort of her shtick

[uncut vault]

Certainly an aesthetic we’re truly lacking in WoW :P

[clear apex]

Considering... HE'S NOT A PALADIN

Put him back into cloth blizzard

Need more blood elf pally aesthetic

[silent urchin]

I agree

paladins need to stop claiming priest NPCs

No, I'm still not over Delas Moonfang randomly leaving the priest campaign in legion without a word, and only showing back up when you get relegated to a side character that needs saving in the paladin campaign

[clear apex]

I'm still not over the fact my character was supposed to be in such position and now is just... a has been hero now just adventurer

[tropic trail]

lol this looks like from Matrix 😂

[clear apex]

I just enjoy a nice trenchcoat

[deep pawn]

The hunter set feels very undead. It feels like a redux of the first legion hunter set.

One of the color variants is literally Sylv's colors.

[rain cave]

I wish I could access wowhead from my grandparents house but it gives me the cdn error

[glass fulcrum]

check pinned messages in #wowhead-feedback-support

[deep pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/360572438691708941/1321063425580863540/17350364401566555304098785775162.jpg?ex=676bdfb0&is=676a8e30&hm=9e7a2695897d2c754683bb55f3aadf4195f86aa903b6848006bd0eafc7491656&

So gorgeous

[glass fulcrum]

Definitely not the same asthetic, but would be cool if there was a black frame version of that instead of gold

[ember blaze]

speaking of on the nose

BARDic

[deep pawn]

We won't know until it's revealed but I have hope

[rain cave]

I hope they don't miss the opportunity to make these sheath on the back

[uncut vault]

honestly when I first saw it I thought it was a 2H anyways lol, since it looks so similar in shape to a recent weapon in FFXIV

but then I remembered WoW's "one handers" are longsword sized and their "daggers" are shortsword sized lol

[rain cave]

But imagine 2 of them on the back

They'd be like wings

Honestly surprised they haven't tried that before

They've done weapons with different appearances when sheathed I think so it would be cool to see a weapon that also acts as an armour tmog when sheathed

[harsh mason]

Naga of the DarkTide clan had this dagger. And I just realized right away that this is the same clan that then appears on the forbidden reach and the island of sirens, and they carry prophecies about Xal)))

As far as I understand, not all naga serve Azshara, because there are many independent clans.

[tropic trail]

Did the Khadgar and Kirin Tor quests unlock?

[sleek solar]

I think it will be like 1 or 2 more weeks

[tropic trail]

Damn it man basically boring this patch ain’t gonna lie 🤣

They say come back to Khadgar in 14 days

[thin warren]

the isle is not fun?

[tropic trail]

Yea kinda grindy like chores rather than something special happening with story 👀

[pulsar minnow]

Ngl while the anniversary and siren isle are cool, they feel like they took the steam out of the war within train

We were off to a really strong start then the main story just came to a halt

[harsh mason]

Well, because this is literally the type of "sandbox" locations.

There is no story plot in such locations, but there is content+lore of this location.

[silent urchin]

11.0.5 not having story was the bigger issue, I think. Never expected much from the .7 patch, but the gap is feeling a bit long

[worn crown]

I really wish 11.0.5 had some story, because the "finale" of the 11.0 campaign with Alleria and Xal felt quite a bit anticlimactic, even for the first part of the narrative.

[ember blaze]

the story is bards

[iron hare]

Agreed completkey, I would have rather the brd raid be something else, I think it completley put everything to a halt

Plus everything having so much time walking also kind of sucked the immersion out

Cause an entire mini patch was just me grinding old content felt v disconnected

In my head I'm putting this as like the last true victory and the moment our characters are resting before shit goes crazy, like lotr where the characters stop at rivendale for a bit after fighting the Nazgûl

[ember blaze]

I liked the idea of a raid, and it's something that has replayability

[iron hare]

I actually reslly like the raid

The mechanics are rlly fun, but I just wish we had something connected to the story

Like when they said the anniversary is the patch my heart sunk cause I knew we were loosing momentum

Plus idk siren isle feels v disconnected to khaz algar

[harsh mason]

Well, not really, because in addition to the various mini-plots with hints of the future, there is literally the most important thing on this island, which is at the centre (almost at the centre) of the plot - it's a crystal like Beledar.

[ember blaze]

[deep pawn]

yeah, 11.0.5 having no story was likely a mistake.

[harsh mason]

I don't think it was a mistake. I mean, in a sense, the events in BRD raid are canonical, just more local. And in this context, within the framework of a mini-patch, such events would work better to create a believable and lively world than if each expansion simply had one big storyline divided into 3 large and 3 small patches. I'll try to explain what I mean now.

We have a huge world of warcraft in which there are many different stories and characters. Some stories are large-scale, some are local. But within each expansion there is one meta theme and one meta character that combines different storylines and events. But this does not mean that the entire expansion should be devoted to one story arc, it will greatly narrow down the events that take place in the world.

To be honest, I would remove the link to the main plot from the mini-patches altogether, and make them as patches dedicated to smaller events that take place throughout Azeroth in parallel with the main plot. It seems to me that in this context, the casts on heritage armor worked well, which were absolutely unrelated to the main story.

[uncut vault]

All patches with heritage sets also got main story so that’s not really correlated

X.0.5 in particular not having story is a choice Blizz has made, which is the critique here

[silent urchin]

I'm a bit worried 11.1 is gonna feel like a side adventure too

I kinda figured we'd get more of that whole "Grand conspiracy" thing pretty quick

[clear apex]

Goblin zone amidst everything does,atm, feel side adventure. But i am curious to see how this fits with everything else.
This expac is not going how i thought it would, that's for certain

I did really enjoy 11.0

Trying to trust metzen with the story

[sleek solar]

11.0 was not Metzen

[uncut vault]

broad strokes and premise wasn't, but the story was altered to fit the larger saga

[uncut vault]

10.1 had a similar issue, but hopefully they save Xal'atath's involvement and relevance to the larger story for the end of the patch, and not the beginning like Zaralek's which left the rest of the patch like filler about the dracthyr lol

[iron hare]

Tbf they did confirm that this will set off the chain reaction

They said that this patch is v important to the big picture

[rain cave]

11.0.5 has some story, in the raid

But it's more like a retelling and eye opening of the events there

But it does feed into the main narrative by getting people in the same page and giving some new info about moira and dagran

[deep pawn]

The Goblins are likely tied into the main narrative

Azeroth lead Orwenya there after all.

[glass fulcrum]

oh there kinda is one
wack

[rain cave]

I mean just from playing the .7 campaign early on we find goblins with barrels that seem to contain old god blood remnants

and that titan facility is behind all those rocks in ringing deeps

(the one with all the corruption)

[deep pawn]

I know, but Azeroth sending us here, and the whole ethereals letters

[rain cave]

in my head the goblins are undoubtedly connected to the ethereals

I've noticed that they've been doing the "core" narrative in the campaign with the other major thing happening going on in the raid

[deep pawn]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=232944/ethereal-warning-letter

[rain cave]

like how if you play the campaign, the xalatath stuff is all very important. But because it's told in the campaign they don't have to fit it into the raid, so the raid narratives are now more free to be their own thing

[deep pawn]

Ethereals are watching the goblins

Locus Walker is likely doing his own thing

[rain cave]

in my head we've got some combination of Ethereals, Xal and goblins teaming up

[deep pawn]

He wants Alleria to kill Xal

[rain cave]

could even be that we have rival ethereal factions going against eachother

[deep pawn]

We gotta get pay off for the ethereal watching us eventually.

[rain cave]

it would not surprise me if Gallywix has made a deal with some ethereals

and not told his lowers

[deep pawn]

He made deals with Brokers

[rain cave]

hence why he might be connected to the old god plot

[rain cave]

yep, but we still don't know how he even got to them

would make sense if ethereals gave him the connections to get in

[deep pawn]

There was Maw Walkers all over.

[rain cave]

He was AWOL at that time was he not? And somebody they wouldn't just let stroll into org to take a portal

since he was a war criminal

[deep pawn]

who knows

[rain cave]

Gallywix was interested in Azerite -> Oribos seemingly made of Azerite adjacent material + First ones and Azeroth connection -> Brokers were interested in that connection, whole plot around trying to stop them from getting their greedy mitts on the first ones mechanisms. -> Gallywix starts information broking with the Brokers -> He's back in the expansion exploring Azeroth's lore and different facets of Azerite/corruption

there's a lot of angles they could play here, even a route where he was the one that gave Xalatath information and that's how he got his wealth

since they make a point of being confused where this wealth came from

could be ethereals, xalataths connections, or just the work he was doing for Xalatath that made a profit

but it's sounding like he got a sudden influx of capital from somewhere

and there are ethereals watching his workers

ethereals are also a cartel based race with a vested interest now that our planet is doing what theirs was

on the topic of the Azerite stuff though, I've discussed a couple theories about why beledar and the siren isle have Pure gold instead of the gold and blue mixture

If all titans are worldsouls originally, then maybe there's a link between why some titans are blue and some are gold with varying combinations

specifically from what I've seen Blue seems to correspond more of intellect and free will, whilst Gold is more focused on Ordered instinct, without that free will aspect.

If you look at the Pantheon, we see that sort of expressed but it's quite a deep speculation.
Amanthul's body is blue but his eyes are yellow. He is smart and intelligent, leading with his own will. But at his core he is focused on Order and that literally "blinds" him by being his eye colour.

Eonar is the lifebinder, her physical form and very essence is to bind life. She has been put into a position of being controlled and controlling things through order. Though we do not know if she is fully on board with this herself or if she would go against the titan agenda. Amanthul scolded her for not thinking, she has that emotion through and through without that free intellect.

Norgannon, master of magic, is all blue. He is the representation of that free intellect and knowledge. His lack of Gold/yellow is indicative of his lack of conviction however, unlike Aman'thul.

Sargeras's body is gold and his eyes blue. His body was used as a tool for order, to fight demons, chaos, void, etc. And he was good at it, he has the physical form demonstrating his golden dedication/conviction. But his eyes Are blue, showing that inside he has that blue free will. Evidenced by the fact that he started questioning order, and eventually went on to fully swap sides.

It's not a foolproof analysis, but it does fit other parts of the magic cosmology

yellow sort of encompassing that holy light and bronze dragon aesthetic, that has a focus on "1 true path" and heavy conviction to a set of rules or order

and then blue by contrast would be analagous to the "shadow", that infinite potential and infinite truths. Seeing wide but without dedication or order to any particular way.

So Azerite being a combination of that would make sense, and also would explain why titans look like they do

the pure golden azerite we see also demonstrates some of what I said here. Beledar instills faith, dedication to their religion. And on Siren isle there's a lot of explicit mention of being "inspired" by the crystal from people who directly handled or interacted with it. They all also mention not wanting to fight, implying a behaviour change from the crystals influence.

[harsh mason]

Guys, our expansion is not called "the endless pursuit of Xal'atath." The expansion is called The war within, the main themes of this expansion are several things (and goblins who are looking for something are included in this list). So 11.1 is not related to Xal, but related to the theme of The war within

[upper pasture]

pretty sure they said Xal is messing with the goblins no?

like she has something to do with them

[harsh mason]

If I understood correctly from what we now know, Gal, at the head of his new cartel, began actively extracting the blood of the old gods and using it in their technologies, they also continue to dig into the very depths of the planet (from the vision that Azeroth showed). What are they digging for? Most likely for the sake of all the same blood, but it can play into the hands of Xal.

As for me, this is quite a part of the main plot, quite the second act for expansion.

[upper pasture]

i wouldn't be surprised to see Xal is showing them how to use the blood which is why they are suddenly interested in it

[deep pawn]

Xal's trying to empower the blood

[lone mantle]

I believe they are attempting a similar strategy as with Argus, to corrupt and subjugate a world soul to a single cosmic force, ensuring it awakens aligned with their own.

[silent urchin]

It's also not called the "Screw around for a patch while we try and fix goblin lore yet again" Saga

mostly the resolution to 11.0 felt really abrupt. We stopped xal'atath doing something, but don't even know what. The titan disc lore quests helped a bit but they haven't really tied in to anything yet, just driven even more speculation, and it doesn't feel like that's going to be advanced much at all

[lone mantle]

I don't fully understand the purpose of the Siren Isle in relation to the digging process that occurs within the Ringing Deeps.

[tropic trail]

3 week time gate for story quest in total.

[rain cave]

They're separate, the digging is setting up 11.1 whilst siren is a side adventure

[sullen dawn]

I think blizz judt picked the colours because they look cool

[lone mantle]

It seems illogical that the goblins would choose to venture to a Siren Isle purely for an adventure when there is such a significant opportunity for excavation elsewhere. It is highly unlikely of them.

[rain cave]

It's not just goblins though, there's multiple parties who are all there for their own reasons

[hazy kettle]

Where is your pretty, pink role D:

[tropic trail]

He got banned from his favorite server for something I did 😹 and they they sent him gore but discord police refused to take action cuz the culprit had nitro or w/e so he just went like nihil mode but now he is unbanned but it seems he is still revenging now 💀

[lone mantle]

Vermin, perhaps Blizzard should recruit you for their lore department to take the narrative to a quantum level!

[hazy kettle]

for something I did
... so did you send gore?

[hazy kettle]

I am sorry for your loss, my Titan Construct Liege. 🙇

[lone mantle]

To put it plainly, I do not wish to pay for a platform that is ineffective in moderation. I wish to remain in this server as it is the safest one I have encountered.

[hazy kettle]

Completely valid, without getting going into much detail - yes, the unnamed company behind this nebulous platform certainly has missed the mark when it comes to moderation.

[tropic trail]

Na I said something very nice 😌 actually

[hazy kettle]

D'aww :3

[hazy kettle]

Yes, right in front of your #beta-ptr-spoilers >:3c

[clear apex]

florks in unexpected places

[tropic trail]

So.. when is that patch when ethereals are available to play?

[deep pawn]

Hopefully never, I don't think they make sense as playable

[upper lantern]

Yeah, as much as I like ethereals, I think void elves should take their role or at least part of their aesthetics

[rain cave]

ehh I think they do

I think they would be refreshing in a way because their customisations would be so different

though I can understand if you think they're too alien, why would the ethereals join the alliance/horde? We need that story setup to make it make sense

my guess is that because Azeroth is currently experiencing the same things Karesh was, maybe they heard through the grapevine and come to help us

the void elves usher them into the alliance, and maybe the goblins do it for the horde?

depending on if they were a part of the voidy more cosmic group or the cartels

[deep pawn]

It'd take a lot of work, the new models they're getting are much more like original nightborne than anything playable but Dracthyr prove that armor isn't a limitation.

Blizzard tried to be slick with playable Nightborne too

[rain cave]

honestly they're magic and known to be spies we could get a visage "mortal" form and the ethereal bandage form

[deep pawn]

Thankfully players demanded better from Blizzard.

I think mortal form Ethereals would make my Naga Illusion Forms less crazy.

[rain cave]

god can you imagine if they did naga and ethereals as factioned off races

like naga on horde ethereals on alliance

[deep pawn]

I'd still put money on Haranir and Naga as our next two races for a bit ol elf party in midnight

[rain cave]

that would cause a riot

[rain cave]

yeah I think that fits

[deep pawn]

Playable Naga have been a request since vanilla

[rain cave]

I think naga are the next "box feature" race

and maybe ethereals get added as an allied race mid-midnight

[deep pawn]

Haranir are new but they're ready to go and are story relevant

[rain cave]

haranir get added this xpac later

[deep pawn]

11.2.5. They don't make sense as a midnight preorder. That's housing somehow

[rain cave]

oh yeah I think naga will be a box feature race like how they showed zandalri/kultirans

[deep pawn]

I have no idea how they do housing as a preorder bonus without any beta testing

[rain cave]

since they've saidd midnight is quelthalas/silvermoon and elf stuff as the pitch. That means hat story will sort of happen mainly in that first bit of the expac before going off to other stuff

and naga fit into that

imo it makes sense to maybe even have a zone/area in the levelling that has that naga story, showing us some naga invading from the ocean but once they realize what's happening maybe some become symapthetic to our cause. Since I doubt they want the world to be destroyed.

[deep pawn]

I still can see Azshara as an ally of convenience and after a betrayal in 12.1 the leader of the playable Naga has to have a reckoning with their beliefs

[rain cave]

"trade prince azshara here"

Azshara is about to have a viktor arcane arc i stg

she fits the role of "character who just keeps going up into absurdity and we love it"

[deep pawn]

If Midnight isn't first raid trolls, second raid Sunwell, third raid inside the void I'll be shocked.

[rain cave]

nah I doubt first raid is trolls we know how much blizz loves to do them dirty

dungeon or two for sure though

[deep pawn]

Blizzard loves troll raids though.

[rain cave]

though you do make a good point I doubt the first patch will be "here's a city that's been influenced by the void, sneak in and do quests for the resistance and then liberate it in the raid"

[deep pawn]

Can even have the Amani try to swap to Muehzalah and Hakkar.

[rain cave]

them ringing muehzalah's number and bwonsamdi picking up

[deep pawn]

Nah, we already know Muehzalah is not fully imprisoned. He nearly took over the Darkspear.

[rain cave]

that dungeon would actually fit season 1 of midnight

or whenever they do troll stuff

[deep pawn]

Trolls can also fit into the elf party by being proto elves

[rain cave]

elves forced to invite the trolls after the harranir enter the family

[deep pawn]

Vol'jin's story could be related.

[rain cave]

lmao

[deep pawn]

Oh snap, imagine if Sylvanas does come back and she's forced to face Vol'jin, loa of kings.

[rain cave]

https://tenor.com/view/dob-dob-dob-rizz-black-man-ha-ha-ha-gif-17039177668047803738

live sylvanas reaction to that

[deep pawn]

Sylvanas I feel like is also a given to appear in Midnight.

[rain cave]

oh yeah for sure they won't not reunite the windrunners

but I also feel they'll probably kill atleast 1 of them off

[deep pawn]

I still think Alleria or Anduin going bad for a moment will be the catalyst for her return, but we ain't doing Silvermoon without her.

[rain cave]

if not both Alleria and Sylvanas

[deep pawn]

If they kill one it'll be Vereesa

[rain cave]

Alleria going evil for a moment, but getting turned back to good in her final moments due to something Sylvanas does before both of them then dying would be such a STRONG moment

shows sylvanas character development, doing for others what was done for her. And allowing her to reunite with her sister properly

there will no longer be 3 windrunners after midnight is my bet

at least 1 dies

[deep pawn]

I say Sunwell as second Midnight raid because I'm confident that it's gonna be a direct portal to the void and the source of the eternal night.

[rain cave]

Arator then takes some prominence in their stead as part of the "new wave" characters we're getting to replace some older ones

[hazy kettle]

Naaah, why would we kill 'em off? I mean, Alleria, sure, but Mommy Sylvanas?! Heracy! /s

[rain cave]

not her first rodeo

[deep pawn]

I could see Sylvanas's VA wanting to retire soon.

[hazy kettle]

Possible

[rain cave]

blizzard looking for a way to kill Sylvanas again

blah blah eve of second death usher in blah blah

/s

[deep pawn]

Khadgar could still die at any moment.

[upper lantern]

I think Azshara is a good candidate for antagonist in Midnight - or even better, as an uneasy, unreliable ally against Xal

[deep pawn]

I love my idea of Azshara gets everything she wants in Midnight and ascends as a void lord and out of personal affection for Azeroth promises to leave it alone until she consolidates power inside the void.

Very much "we won but at what cost"

[upper lantern]

That would be nice. Would also justify a Naga allied race, as a gesture of "good will" towards the rest of Azeroth

Althought it'd be more of "lmao I don't need the naga anymore, I'm the void queen now"

[deep pawn]

We know we stop the void for good in midnight but the events cause enough issues the Titans show up personally.

[fathom idol]

Do we?

[deep pawn]

A mortal ascending to godhood would be a cause of concern.

Yeah, at Blizzcon Metzen used the words "for good"

[rain cave]

Azshara's connection to her people is what keeps her sort of chained as a semi-sympathetic character even if she's a massive bitch

as long as she has a tie to them she can't escape Azeroth really. I could definetly see her definitvely leaving them either with us or someone she trusts once she sees they're in good hands after working with us. And severing ties to pursue her own goals

ofc eventually ending up a villain again

[upper lantern]

I hope we get the Legion or at least Sargeras back too. The Legion is a cool villain faction tbh

thought that's more tied to titans, so a premise for The Last Titan

[deep pawn]

I can't see us erasing a base force on the universe so something has to happen that makes the void no longer a threat and sealing a portal wouldn't do that.

[rain cave]

Blizz resisting the urge to do a kerrigan

[deep pawn]

The Last Titan definitely has a lot of open space because unless Sargeras is having a heel face turn is still in Titan jail.

TLT the only thing I'm sure of is Iridikron snipes at least one Titan and our first raid is his shifting maze of a sanctum.

[fathom idol]

[rain cave]

there's the theory that he snipes Amanthul and then the rest of the xpac is picking up the pieces with a sort of shattered timeline as a result

[deep pawn]

You think they'd do time travel again after WoD?

My working theory is he gets Golganneth.

[fathom idol]

My theory is we take out the titans. Or de-power them at least.

[deep pawn]

The Titans aren't gonna return and immediately be our enemy. We're discovering a conspiracy that goes back to the start of time.

Iridikron gave Xal the dark heart because he knows the end result of all of that will be the Titans coming to Azeroth and he plans to be ready for them when they do