beta-ptr-spoilers

[dense plover]

more pheromones!

and an explanation on forgotten memorials finally

all 3 do rumors now

and then the treasures are the different thing

looks like each one has a few quests as part of a questline too

each one has a different effect

so i assume its whichever pact you have active

yup this menu has been updated to match the trees

this is a new item and its great

[harsh mason]

Xal them is great

[zealous sedge]

This pact thing is cool. Each one offers their own reward track?

[dense plover]

this is new

[dense plover]

more like buffs - some are only active when you select them for the week, some are permanent once you reach the rep level

[zealous sedge]

Oh Okay cool, thanks!

[dense plover]

the new item level boosty item

patron orders changed a bit

[deep pawn]

oh, 11.0.2. is release candidate

[dense plover]

new strings

shadows beneath is probably 11.1

or 11.0.5 if we get a mini story patch

they added a loot error for delves so you cant just take someone who has tier 2 unlocked and blast them through a tier 8 or something to get loot

also it looks like they ARE planning to make crafting orders pull from the warband bank - it just doesnt yet

this is called Story Mode instead of Story Difficulty now

[uncut vault]

It's the name of the cinematic that just came out

Patch name was my first instinct too haha

[dense plover]

OH

[tropic trail]

Nice, music is out. Finally!

[dense plover]

title2 as in - the 2nd title cinematic

[zealous sedge]

Does that mean we are missing title1 or was title1 the one with Anduin and thrall?

[dense plover]

the second thing you said

it was the thrall/anduin one

title 2 was the new one

[zealous sedge]

Ah got it got it

[lone mantle]

[sullen dawn]

11.1 gonna end end with all goblins unionizing 😄

Would be perfect

[tropic trail]

Music is nice. Neal Acree is amazing composer 😁

[thin warren]

So, the last patch solved many things?

[tropic trail]

You mean the event?

[thin warren]

No, TWW stuff

[tropic trail]

No it’s a scam event, gezzz. I’m not even doing it. The rewards are worthless and everytime I come to do quest it says mob will be active in one hour. I’m not going to wait that long. I see some people just stand there close to the portal you know. Waiting for ages 😂

[thin warren]

Beta thingies

[tropic trail]

Aaah sorry 😅 I thought you meant the event with radiant echoes

[thin warren]

They buffed the bosses yesterday, so they dont die fo fast

Nop 😛 about TWW

[tropic trail]

Haha, TWW looks promising. I’m hyped

[thin warren]

Same

[scarlet ridge]

fishing still bricked 😄

still shows as trading post, and still impossible to finish the derby

[tropic trail]

Wait you can fish with this mount? 😳

[scarlet ridge]

No it's a reward for completing the new fishing derby, I did it the first week of beta

now it's impossible because you can't catch one of the fish since the whispering stargazer's on use effect has gone

[lone mantle]

Which soundtrack from the provided playlist do you think is the most aesthetically pleasing in terms of music? https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLar4nrXN3ddrICH2ZxyWW46L2rYQHUSrv

[tropic trail]

Vault of Memories so far so good 😁 not finished listening to all

[harsh mason]

Xal, like Fyrakk, has a gorgeous theme. I like it when villains have sinister notes in their music.

[warm topaz]

What's your favourite one Algalon?

[lone mantle]

A Silken Path and a Nerubian Raid, perhaps.

[austere gazelle]

what is the last music playing in the intro ? the music we heard in the last cinematic ad of the war within?

[warm topaz]

that's the second to last one

the last one i don't know

[austere gazelle]

the one at 14:00

on the login music

[warm topaz]

oh yeah, that one is from the last cineamatic

[austere gazelle]

yeah is there a specific music tied to this one in the list?

[warm topaz]

i haven't found it

could be

[warm topaz]

https://youtu.be/qhYG-cALu1o?si=2XvFNOkMQGhklXNW&t=247

for me, this part from The World Soul Saga

[plain violet]

The musics are nice!

[deep pawn]

so most of these Xal invasions are pretty simple, but damn, did Preach comission his own vfx artist for his or something?

[sullen dawn]

Preach does what blizzdont

[deep pawn]

Preach really wanted to get felt up eh? 😄

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/Warcraft/status/1819084514221596907

World of Warcraft (@Warcraft) on X

We have heard your feedback and are testing updates to the Radiant Echoes Event:

• Immediate Event Respawn
• Weekly Quests now Daily
• Increased Currency Rewards
• Hourly Event Rotation

Updates should go live later today.

Learn more: https://t.co/9T8Tw2PyjJ

Twitter · Aug 1, 2024, 6:55 PM

[deep pawn]

I still question their design philosophies.

Like do they even bother to math out acquisition rates?

[upper pasture]

because it's the same reason we have biweeklies now for WQs instead of dailies. the "people" complain about others getting an advantage over people that can't play as much.

[austere gazelle]

where did our feedback on the beta for this event went to ?

[deep pawn]

Blizzard never fully trusts beta testers

[hazy kettle]

I think the better question (same as @deep pawn honestly) is... did they bother to think through how much of a timesink this is unless you make the event your job?

[deep pawn]

See Plunderstorm or remix

They've done this a few times lately

[hazy kettle]

It paints a bad picture and sows distrust if they get feedback on the intense grindfest of the event and decide to not alter it regardless. Only once it's live, and people "complain" again do they push out a fix.

[deep pawn]

They're terrified of people not doing it

[hazy kettle]

Feels like one higher lead dev is just refusing to let go and change the way these events are set up.

[silent urchin]

cause like 5 people did it on PTR and most of them did it once

[hazy kettle]

There is obviously a good intend behind the event, especially MOP Remix, but smthn is off when the same key criticism have to be bemoaned after it goes live, several times in a row.

[deep pawn]

It's a question of basic math on acquisition rates

[upper pasture]

Those buffs are actually huge

[deep pawn]

I imagine this was their planned "scale up" rate for 2 weeks from now

[upper pasture]

The hourly thing yes but nothing else

[trim stratus]

Do Magni become king of dwarfs again if anyone knows?

Im doing this new quest and make me sad how Magni charcater ended up so hope for better story for him later

[deep pawn]

he was considered dead in Cata

there is no king in Ironforge right now, it's still ruled by the Council of Three Hammers

Buuut, Magni's grandson is coming of age and he may have the ability to take the throne of Ironforge on top of being the Dark Iron emperor.

He's an important character in TWW, we'll see how he progresses

[warm topaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I0oL1ejLWE

this track is amazing

probably my favourite

[lone mantle]

[plain violet]

Beautiful!

[rain cave]

bet the wildhammers will feel a bit weird about that

[feral belfry]

damn that song is epic

almost 12 hours of music added lol

[deep pawn]

that new healer curio for brann sounds good

[dense plover]

i would love something like that for tanks but the opposite where he does even less damage but heals more

and like - generates threat

[deep pawn]

tanks already have self sustain and lack damage

well, I haven't done a tank delve since the buffs

[sullen dawn]

some serious LOTR motifs going on in that one

[tropic trail]

Yea, the new expansion has Hobbit vibes all over so why not.

[sullen dawn]

I'm not against it

I like that isle of dorn has a lot of Irish influence

Dornagol = Donegal

Giants causeway

The earthen dance is an Irish jig

Isle of dorn Inn music is very Irish sounding

[tropic trail]

Yea it’s very nice 😊

[thin warren]

Yep, it looks cool, can't wait to hop around in it

[little hound]

Isle of Dorn

So they are Dornish?

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-oberyn-martell-gif-20376369

[warm topaz]

i would love to see more class-specific content, like order halls

quests like the warlock one to customize your pets

[cosmic beacon]

where dk pet customisations raah!

[opal storm]

DK are fine. Some classes feel like NPCs tho

cough shamans and monks cough

[warm topaz]

shamans could get some totems or a new ascension form like Porter wrote yesterday on twitter

monks... idk, i main monk, i just hope the Pandaren heritage questline and armor is good hahaha

[dense plover]

monk is in a great place in TWW

do you mean story wise? idk - monks show up to train the earthen in the story

how else would they be important?

[upper pasture]

i think they mean customisations

[opal storm]

idk add someone punch baddy

last time was in Pandaria SoO trailer

all main characters are paladins, mages, druids and warrior. + rare hunters and rogues

DH disappeared after legion

DKs had some time in Shadowlands

[deep pawn]

Anduin and Tyrande as Priests

[dense plover]

thrall is a shaman, alleria is a hunter/void priest, right now i would say anduin is warrior, faerin is paladin, orweyna is a druid

where would monk even fit in?

not every class is gonna be represented

DH hasnt been repped since Legion

same with warlock tbh

[warm topaz]

yep, customisations

well, not just that, you can add lore there too

[austere gazelle]

it was, with the eredar and stuff
The demonic eredar is always represented by a warlock

[opal storm]

Thrall is also more warrior than shaman

[dense plover]

wut

no he isnt

hes a shaman

[opal storm]

his shamanism died after WoD or Legion intro

[dense plover]

no it didnt

he got it back

[opal storm]

wdym?

mf cant use elements

[dense plover]

literally part of the bfa story my dude

[opal storm]

uh

[austere gazelle]

hu ? no , the WW presentation shown that he can't master the elements

[dense plover]

we go get thrall from nagrand

[opal storm]

u saw trailer to TWW?

[dense plover]

where he has reconnected with the elements

[dense plover]

yeah uh - he didnt lose his connection

play the expac

[opal storm]

rn he just swinging his axe

[austere gazelle]

Elements won't answer him

[opal storm]

may be later in TWW he get power back idk

but for not he cant use elements coz they dont respond

https://youtu.be/HKDfdX9qeYM?si=Kf78P7cEsVtLl4d0&t=56 here. he tries but fails and gets mad because of that

[austere gazelle]

He got it back in shadowlands, but in TWW he's struggling. Maybe not because of himself, but because Azeroth and the elements are in turmoil since Dragonflight. so for the moment - yes - he's mostly a warrior dual wielding

[dense plover]

this is very temporary

by the time he is on khaz algar he is using shaman magic

thats part of the intro to the expac stuff

[opal storm]

i wasnt on beta

[dense plover]

its part of why he shows up to visit magni

well - welcome to the beta channel

[opal storm]

and dont watch story spoilers much

so idk what happens there

[dense plover]

youre in the wrong channel then my guy

#beta-ptr-spoilers its in the name

[opal storm]

ik but ppl dont talk much of story here usually xD

[dense plover]

lol - yes we do

all the time

thats most of what i talk about here

that and new features/build changes

[opal storm]

whenever i look here its more of general stuff

[dense plover]

well - if you dont want spoilers i wouldnt stick around in this channel

[opal storm]

i hop on all channels tbh

i dont think any big plot moments even were on beta

[silent urchin]

there's some side characters, including warlocks, that make a brief appearance in the intro bit in khaz algar

I think the two panda faction leaders show up at one point to represent monks as well

nothing major tho

[dense plover]

they do

during the end game questline

[sullen dawn]

Wot

90% of it is in beta

We're just missing cinematics and endgame story

[deep pawn]

Post raid is missing too

[sullen dawn]

Yeh I kind of marked that under 'endgame'

[uncut vault]

We also have most of the endgame story, just one chapter not tested

[warm topaz]

is not endgame but neither the Dalaran event

[dense plover]

it probably wont be that long

unless its stuff tied to orweyna and her people

[sullen dawn]

Aye

[sullen dawn]

Ah yes forgot about that one

Still, we have at least 90% of the story so I dunno what the person was on about

[vast thunder]

Do you have to level up to 80 to be able to test the endgame content?

[crude sigil]

What type or endgame content ? There is one instant boost 80 server : these go to eleven

[vast thunder]

Oh sorry; ppl above are talking about endgame story chapters

For that content do you have to level to 80

I know you can test raids and dungeons on goes to 11

But what about open world endgame?

[crude sigil]

If on 11 server, you can't go outside, so yeah, you need to lvl up on pexing server

At any case, endgame is endgame. You need to be 80

[vast thunder]

No worries, Ty!

[warm topaz]

the true question is, when are we getting those new 2.5D cinematics

should be this week 100%

[sullen dawn]

Assuming there are some yeh

[warm topaz]

there are, you can see them on Beta

not the cinematic

the text description

[sullen dawn]

Like the "bringers" style ones?

[warm topaz]

ye

[sullen dawn]

Nice

Who are they focused on?

Magni, Alleria, Xal?

[warm topaz]

Xal'Atath, the Nerubian Queen

and idk the other one

[sullen dawn]

Kk

[iron hare]

I wish they brought back the audiobooks

Remeber those in legion

God legion pre patch was something else lol

[iron hare]

Bet it's alleria

Kind of shocked nerubian queen got one, hopefully that means nerubians will have a big part to play

(Like apart from being the intro villian)

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/TheRedShirtGuy/status/1816190376501469694

Ian Bates 💙 (@TheRedShirtGuy) on X

In the beta there's a quest that triggers a cinematic that doesn't play (all cinematics are disabled on the beta for spoiler reasons) and the placeholder summary says its an 2.5d animated short like Legacies, so there's at least one.

Twitter · Jul 24, 2024, 7:15 PM

the main post is delete, but yeah i wanted to double check it

https://x.com/TaliesinEvitel/status/1816280499150840103

Taliesin & Evitel (@TaliesinEvitel) on X

In the War Within Collector's Edition art book, the following images are credited to "Blizzard Animation", suggesting they are from the upcoming "2.5D" cinematics

Twitter · Jul 25, 2024, 1:13 AM

i was wrong , maybe there's no Xal'Atath one

[dense plover]

We don’t know

There may be multiple

They’re intentionally not releasing it ahead of time - it’s probably story significant

[silent urchin]

Maybe. IIRC that particular placeholder was for something showing a bit of the backstory of the final raid boss

[warm topaz]

they REALLY need to release something to hype people

[silent urchin]

Thinking about it a bit - the one we know of is probably largely spoiler free other than the existence of the nerubians. It could include stuff on the awakened which would be a major spoiler, but it doesn't have to

[deep pawn]

They're doing a lot of advertisments

Some are stupider than others

The Island accent "Boss, I can't see" one is probably the stupidest

[pulsar minnow]

well its still artwork seemingly done by Bayard Wu

And he did a bunch of others including Xal, Anduin, and Thrall

So we at least have a few who could probably get one

Alleria is basically the main character of the expansion though so it makes sense

watch us all be wrong and theres only one cinematic and its Jaina singing again

[sullen dawn]

BFA was great too

The cinematics were amazing in lead up

And prepatch was great too, really made us hate the other faction

[sullen dawn]

That was awesome though

[dense plover]

If they were going to do music ones, they would release them early

They were good advertising

[sullen dawn]

Gave me chills

The azshara one was amazing too

[iron hare]

Oh yeah, say what you want about the writing but the actual event was incredible

[tropic trail]

There Xal’atath is in art book like this

Stole from my husband’s book 😆

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/Warcraft/status/1820535348168196390

World of Warcraft (@Warcraft) on X

TOMORROW.

Twitter · Aug 5, 2024, 7:00 PM

yaayyy

[upper pasture]

oh yay

[dense plover]

There you go

Everyone complaining when expac is still several weeks away and they can’t drop everything yet

[upper pasture]

i feel like DF we got one every week for a month before launch no?

honestly to me tho just knowing they're coming is enough for me lol

[warm topaz]

we were not complaining here, we were talking about it

[warm topaz]

yes

[thin warren]

yay

[silent urchin]

there were three dragonflight legacies cinematics, released on 25th oct, 1st nov and 8th nov. DF launched on 28th nov

[upper pasture]

maybe it was SLs then?

either way i'm excited to watch them

[silent urchin]

Its definitely a bit later this time I guess

but we're probably still getting 3

xal, ansurek and probably alleria

[pulsar minnow]

I like this artstyle they're going for

still painterly but really refined

[thin warren]

can't wait!

[tropic trail]

Why she is so golden on that picture?

[thin warren]

maybe in front of a lightsource

or just artstyle

[upper pasture]

could be when she just got into that body and hasn't fully voided it's warranty

hehe

[tropic trail]

Haha 😂

[silent urchin]

I think it's just the art style

will probably make sense once we see the context

[sullen dawn]

Or we could be seeing the elf before she died and Xal took her body

[upper pasture]

her eyes are slightly different tho

i mean the runes are still carved into the flesh

[tropic trail]

Yea

[silent urchin]

well, these tend to be back stories

[sullen dawn]

We could see the backstory of Xal from black empire all the way to modern times with her taking elf body

[silent urchin]

so maybe the eyes have changed since?

[upper pasture]

but her eyes aren't void holes

[silent urchin]

Although the elf body is fairly new

[tropic trail]

More like burning sun ☀️ than eclipsed moon 🌙

[sullen dawn]

We could see the whole 'history of xal' including her taking over the body

So possible we see that elf still living

[pulsar minnow]

Wow Instagram posted an image of the nerubian queen as well

So looks like the cinematic will involve xal and neferess

[silent urchin]

I think those might be separate ones

but who knows

[dense plover]

Just meant in general

[pulsar minnow]

Idk it says tomorrow for it tho

Would like more but wouldn’t be shocked by less

Praying for one with Faerin depicting the whole teleporting into Hallowfall thing

[crystal pond]

I wonder if they will show the old world before the old gods

Or when the invasion happened

[silent urchin]

I don't have an insta account so the sites basically unusable but there's a xal'atath image for sure

[minor bridge]

Am I stupid

||Why are Brann and the other Bronzebeards acting like the whole family is there isn't Muradin a part of their family||

[uncut vault]

same reason why we're following Alleria around a Dalaran-centric storyline instead of her sister: they're just not really interested in the other sibling lol

[deep pawn]

Vereesa never to be seen again!

[glass flicker]

Vereesa never to get a new model again!

Seriously, she's looked the same ever since Wrath.

The WoD character model updates do not count.

[deep pawn]

11.0 ptr updating, probably the hotfixes

[deep pawn]

I'm kinda surprised the horde portal for Dornagal is downstairs

[pulsar minnow]

this

it feels so bad

and its crazy its not taking the place of... yknow, DALARAN

[deep pawn]

you mean Wrath Dalaran haha.

The legion portal goes to Aszuna

[pulsar minnow]

yeah thats what i mean

like not only does it not make sense but its also screwing over dornogal

inb4 the last minute hotfix to put it up top a week after launch

[ionic terrace]

totally not crying

[deep pawn]

aww

[rose escarp]

Maybe we'll catch up to him once we go to Northrend in The Last Titan? He's still - officially - there, isn't he? 🤔

[opal storm]

Isnt he in Ironforge bosses room?

[pulsar minnow]

Well those aren’t updated

Lore wise Muradin is in Northerend cataloguing the land. That said Magni and Brann were there with him so it’s not really an excuse

[worn crown]

Hey, folks, a question for the DHs on beta: the Demonsurge ability activates only when the player uses Metamorphosis, or does it activate also when the player use Eye Beam with the talent Demonic?

[uncut vault]

Muradin didn’t stay there indefinitely lol, the premise of the book was solved by all three brothers and they returned to their usual duties

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah which is why I said it’s not really an excuse. Just the last time we saw muradin lore wise was there

[opal storm]

im pretty sure they update bosses. since Turalion is in Stormwind

and Baine replaced Kern

[pulsar minnow]

That’s different

That’s a racial leader replacing a racial leader after they go missing or die etc

[opal storm]

Following the petrification of his elder brother Magni during the Shattering, Muradin returned to Ironforge to lead his clan in the Council of Three Hammers. He is a supporter of the dwarven clans moving forward from the past and building a new future together, although he remains cautious of his niece Moira and her ability to control her own people.

[pulsar minnow]

I’m aware

The point that’s being made is that muradin should be there with the rest of his family after Magni goes into the coma

[opal storm]

ig he is busy doing leader stuff

[pulsar minnow]

During the war within Turalyon is in Dornogal, but he still has an npc in Stormwind

So just bc muradin has an npc in ironforge doesn’t really mean anything since moiras npc is there too

The point is that muradin should be there

[ionic terrace]

Ironforge is weird, I hope they do update it at some point with Moira’s new model and remove baby Dagran

[uncut vault]

They did on the beta

Also updated all the guards and a bunch of NPCs around the great forge

[sullen dawn]

Let bring back Arthas and Uther in the last titan and have them meet up with Muradin

Redeemed half of Arthas soul survived

And the light brings them back from shadow lands at end of midnight

[upper pasture]

God I hope not, let Arthas rest man

[sullen dawn]

I just hated his ending

Sylvanas spitting on his memory even though she was just as bad if not way worse

They done him dirty in SL

[upper pasture]

The thing is Arthas chose his path, he was an entitled prince long before he was “corrupted” by the helm

[sullen dawn]

There's a big different between entitled prince and lich king

Sylvanas may not have chosen to be undead, but she chose everything post death of lich king

[upper pasture]

There’s a difference between defending your land from mindless zombies and infected people but arthas didn’t care about that

[sullen dawn]

And committed worse than Arthas in that time

Sylvanas was more evil than Arthas in the end

She became what she hated

Of course she started noble

Whether Arthas was always a bit of a dick I agree

[uncut vault]

If you actually watched the cinematic you’d realize that’s explicitly the point lol

[upper pasture]

Both are not good but Arthas was human when he decided to cull Stratholm

[uncut vault]

Sylvanas doesn’t shit on Arthas, she understands him in the end

[sullen dawn]

I obviously watched it

[upper pasture]

The people he was supposed to protect

[uncut vault]

But recognizes that it doesn’t matter how she feels, because his part in everything is done and there’s no point trying to drag out the damage he did

Sylvanas could have been actually awful to Arthas and she would have been 100% justified lol

[sullen dawn]

She says "let everyone forget the name Arthas Menethil". Like why is the person who did worse than him getting the last word on his legacy

[uncut vault]

Because she didn’t do that to him?

[sullen dawn]

Calia, Anduin or Uther should have had the last word

[uncut vault]

Arthas did awful things to her, and isn’t in a place to fix them

[upper pasture]

Letting people forget you when your legacy is being the Lich king is a fucking kindness

[sullen dawn]

I was just like "shut up Sylvanas"

[uncut vault]

She could shit on him all she wanted, instead she’s putting him to rest

She is the only one there that never got her trauma with Arthas resolved

[sullen dawn]

Honestly sylvans should be damned for all eternity

[uncut vault]

She is

[sullen dawn]

She got off light imo

[upper pasture]

…

[sullen dawn]

And shell probably return at some point perfectly redeemed

[uncut vault]

It’s always the “Arthas should come back and be redeemed” people who say that lol

[silent urchin]

maw dailies aren't light tbh

[sullen dawn]

Yeh we want our prince

[sullen dawn]

True lmao

[upper pasture]

He was not a good person before the helm

[uncut vault]

The “prince” you want never existed, and blizzard doing more with his story would only have emphasized that further

Blizzard choosing to not explicitly use Arthas and leave his story up to interpretation was the one wholly good narrative choice they made in Shadowlands

Because the one tiny bit of story he got in the sylvanas novel made people incredibly pissy when it confirmed how awful he was lol

[sullen dawn]

In WoW I don't necessarily support good peop l. I like the tribalism aspect of wow (I hate it in real life but wow is about tribalism for me). My paladin is not a good person, he's a zealot with old fashioned views. He would follow Arthas if he was returned by the light with a "redeemed" perspective (probably still not a good person)

But that's the RP I want

[uncut vault]

Well your paladin sounds delusional already so he can just pretend Arthas is back with a puppet or something lol

[sullen dawn]

I think there's a big step between delusional in the sense of ideals, and delusional in the sense of seeing people who aren't there

It's like in Warhammer 40k, RP following the emperor

It's obviously not 'good' but it's fun

Unjustified and xenophobic conflict is the core of Warcraft imo

[silent urchin]

I don't think that's been true for at least 20 years

[little hound]

I want divided faction hubs again.

[sullen dawn]

Same

[little hound]

I miss rogue spanking people in War Mode.

[silent urchin]

And I don't think that many people would want it to be true again

[sullen dawn]

BFA was awesome

[little hound]

I sat as a human hunter ontop of the sail on the Horde boat in Zuldazar.

And sniped every living Horde filth i saw.

They flew up? Bursting Shot em straight off again.

[sullen dawn]

My man! I spent a lot of time hunting vulpera

War mode in BFA was such a thrill. Especially alongside the faction invasions

On rp realms people would spend hours hunting hordes

[little hound]

The music in Boralus, so cozy ❤️

I'm that one clown who kept my WANTED in Vol'dun all day.

[sullen dawn]

It's a pity WM has been so poor in SL and DF

[little hound]

I blame faction hubs being merged.

[sullen dawn]

The divided maps in SL really hurt it and it didn't seem to recover in DF

[little hound]

Shadowlands was PEAK WM Era though! The Abomination undead guild rampaged the Maw.

Haven't seen em. Did they get banned for ganking too hard in WM?

[sullen dawn]

There was some good stuff in the maw (no mounts helped a lot) but it never quite reached the heights of BFA WM for me

[sullen dawn]

No idea

[little hound]

Sent ya a DM btw!

[sullen dawn]

Roger!

[deep pawn]

it's 10am PDT, it's late!

[upper pasture]

did they give us a time?

[silent urchin]

No

I'm expecting it to be ~2hours, same time as the tweet

[upper pasture]

yeah 11am-2pm would be my guess. pdt of course

[deep pawn]

usually they're pretty consistent on drops

[upper pasture]

i feel like it's usually 2pm est when something like this drops

[deep pawn]

pretty sure it's 1pm/10am but maybe

[upper pasture]

well, then where is it? lol

[silent urchin]

10am PST is when they tend to post most blogs/news article

but the cinematics can be a bit different

[deep pawn]

oh, 1pm was another pet bundle

[crystal pond]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-cat-loud-angry-gif-26168455

Where

If this was just announcement for some update and not 2d stuff im angy

Let us speculate even more

[silent urchin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brOSi_rpGj4

[deep pawn]

boom

[upper pasture]

2pm est lol

[deep pawn]

Anusrek feels like such a boring enemy.

[signal bone]

yeah that was pretty underwhelming and predictable

[warm topaz]

i think it was cool

[deep pawn]

Xal's parts is cool, and Neferess killing the emissary was epic

Ansurek is just so stereotypical

[warm topaz]

but maybe we'll learn more about her in the expansion

[dense plover]

11am pst

[crystal pond]

So
The poopoo blood doing some humanization

I wonder why

[upper pasture]

yes i'm aware, i said i'd gues they would release it between 11am-2pm pst.

[crystal pond]

She is

Ansurek character is cliche
Its just screaming it

"Our people suffering so I need to deal with some evil entity because it will make us stronger and I don't care because I care about our true destiny"

Sorry but zzzzz

Xal and Nefferes part was cool

[pulsar minnow]

Not gonna lie but while I love these cinematics idk if it needed to be one of these warbringer-esque shorts

It was just “yeah so nerubians gave up on conquest, ansurek wanted conquest, ansurek killed her mom, xal atath evil as always”

What I find interesting though is that Xal chose to crawl out of the crystal in the mural

[crystal pond]

Literally this

Wanna see other 2d animations now

[pulsar minnow]

It’s also really weird that ansurek, seemingly loving her mother, just got told by a random elf lady “yo kill yo mom” and she just does it no questions asked

[crystal pond]

To be fair I really want to see a cinematic from Azeroth view
How she see the world, the whole thing, characters and players

[warm topaz]

well, that's what void does, right?

[crystal pond]

Gimme gimme

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah but idk it just felt very surface level

[crystal pond]

Me looking at characters that was corrupted by void - seems about right

[obtuse vine]

sooo, i guess we might get another 2 animatics possibly leading up to release? what could they be

[pulsar minnow]

Alleria most likely for one of them

[crystal pond]

Cause they created a enemy for just it being an enemy

[pulsar minnow]

I guess it might be connecting any who’ve had visions of xal atath

[crystal pond]

Bro give me back fyrakk he had more depth even when he was cartoonish

[pulsar minnow]

Fyrakk had personality

Ansurek has the personality of wet cardboard with 8 legs

Hey I guess she is just fodder after all, since Xal is our big enemy

[crystal pond]

Yep

[upper pasture]

there's no way to tell how long she was frozen in time talking to Xal. also when people are desperate they will do anything to "save" their people. she sees her mom unable to take the steps to continue to lead their people as she sees fit so Xal twists that into "she's holding you back, kill her, become queen, lead your people to greatness once again"

[crystal pond]

Still zzzzz

[upper pasture]

what i find interesting is that once they "see the light" or the error of their ways could we see allied race? once we remove the queen slayer i'm sure anything could be possible

[pulsar minnow]

Well Ansurek would be the last of her line

So I guess the Widow, General, and Vizier will be yet another council to rule the city

[crystal pond]

Nerubians still don't have character customization only npc one

But the bat elf people do so

I forgot their name ffs

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah harronir are gonna be playable 100%

[upper pasture]

Fyrakk had very little personally when first introduced too. pretty sure he didn't even get a voice line until after the VotI thing. things develop over time.

but being the first raid boss i'm not expecting much.

[crystal pond]

And even so
Yall
You not gonna play spiders, you gonna play pretty elfish humanoids :))))

[upper pasture]

(first final raid boss)

[pulsar minnow]

Well fyrakk literally just got released in VotI

[warm topaz]

well not really

[pulsar minnow]

The first time we actually saw him doing stuff he had tons of personality

[upper pasture]

and? the point is give it time yall damn.

[pulsar minnow]

I mean we can’t really when she just dies

The title we get is “Queenslayer”

[upper pasture]

if we judged Fyrakk on his first appearance we would also say "bland, no lines, just a follower"

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah but the spotlight wasn’t on fyrakk in VOTI

[upper pasture]

sigh

[pulsar minnow]

Look I know what you’re saying but these are very different cases

Ansurek’s full story is all there

And we can see it and judge it

[upper pasture]

so nothing else will be revealed about Ansurek

[pulsar minnow]

Likely not much!

[upper pasture]

100% all laid out

we shall see

[pulsar minnow]

Dude she’s dead in the raid

Unless there’s something we’re missing on beta

Which the only thing is a few cinematics

As someone who’s been very defendant of the story thus far, I’m not just gonna pretend ansurek isn’t kinda just a fodder character

[crystal pond]

Ooooh
I think that one of the 2d animations will be about earthens

Its must be

[silent urchin]

there's plenty more story in the zone

[crystal pond]

And the other one have to tell wtf happened with arathi ppl

[pulsar minnow]

We’re missing only like two endgame chapters iirc. One being a raid epilogue

I feel like the arathi will get a backstory and it’ll probably play when we reach the giant book in Mereldar

[crystal pond]

Nerubians
Earthens
Arathi
(Well nerubians are obviously first ones but with others idk)

[pulsar minnow]

And then the earthen one will explain why the machine speakers and everyone broke up and how the earthen are falling apart

[crystal pond]

Because its the main themes in TWW

^^^

OH
I know what will happened with earthen and arathi in 2d animations
Xal

Earthen being corrupted by void and becoming monster ppl because they are tired of Titan shit

Arathi literally have ppl that refused to follow the light and start follow the void

Check guys i know wtf im talking

If this all will be true I am afraid of my most wild speculations

[deep pawn]

I'm still massively concerned about m+ testing

it's setting up to be harder than df season 1

and that was a flop

[warm topaz]

they still have a month to do changes

they posted a bunch of them today

[deep pawn]

I know, but they don't seem to be budging on keys being hellscape brutal

[uncut vault]

I think giving an easily digestible backstory for the Nerubians was a good idea

most people probably don't know that they're anti-Old God, this was an effective way of showing that in order to show why Ansurek is against the norm

[plain violet]

+1
Also really good way to show how creepy is Xal'atath and that the body is snatched. Her movements are very "unnatural"

[deep pawn]

Were all Nerubians anti-old god? I felt like it was just this kingdom.

[pulsar minnow]

Well this kingdom definitely and porter is definitely right the cinematic does well to establish that

[uncut vault]

all nerubians are, they broke off from Yogg-Saron even in WC3

hence why you fight faceless ones in the Azjol-Nerub missions with Arthas and Anub'arak

[deep pawn]

do you think Ansurek is like 14 or was the first part vs the Titans and thus she's been Princess for 10s of thousands of years?

[uncut vault]

it has to be from during BfA, since the Nerubians didnt exist yet back during the Ordering of Azeroth

[deep pawn]

Were there seriously none during the black empire? I could've sworn we fought some saving Chromie

[uncut vault]

just Aqir

some of the aqir use the nerubian skeleton, but they're all the one proto-species of the modern bug races

[pulsar minnow]

I kinda forget the fourth war lore wise was 6+ years ago

[uncut vault]

don't worry Blizz does too half the time lol

[pulsar minnow]

BFA still feels like yesterday lmao

[uncut vault]

yeah it's kinda funny how much less distant BfA feels compared even to Legion

probably due to the fact that we only actually resolved BfA's plot elements like 4 months ago lol

[pulsar minnow]

I will say I absolutely love how the cinematic actually makes the fourth war have wider reaching consequences (which like… it should)

Bc of n’zoths rise we inadvertently caused the nerubian empire to crumble blah blah blah

[uncut vault]

Well this is less Fourth War and more just... N'zoth's mostly unrelated shenanigans that happened to take place around the same time lol

[deep pawn]

that's why I'm confused on the timeline. I feel like N'zoth would know going to the Nerubians would have to be a pointless endeavor and I don't get how their kingdom faded that fast in 6 years given the Arathi had been there for a long time already.

[pulsar minnow]

Well nzoth is also like super arrogant

At least that’s how they characterized him in BfA for whatever reason

He kinda just expects people to kneel before him and they go “nah” and he throws a temper tantrum

[deep pawn]

I feel like they're likely retconning Nerubian origins some unless the beta confirms these Nerubians are descended from the Northrend ones.

[uncut vault]

Dragonflight at least managed to potentially reframe him as a bit less stupid lol

now he has the potential for the dagger as an actual back-up plan because he knew his fate all along

[warm topaz]

that murloc questline was really good

[pulsar minnow]

Man I just really really really wanna know what the hell xal atath is

[deep pawn]

I know current lore says Nerubians didn't evolve until after the Aqir empire split, but I think they're just gonna throw that out

[uncut vault]

that'd be a pretty collosal piece of lore to toss out

[warm topaz]

the fact that N'zoth could know everything that was going to happen or at least part of it and that he acted based on it is awesome

[uncut vault]

its pretty foundational to the world

[pulsar minnow]

Idk I don’t think it’s that deep. I think it’s just old gods going around to major powers and kingdoms or really anything descended from the black empire and trying to pull a “I’m your god serve me” thing

I doubt they’ll throw out lore like that

[uncut vault]

the Aqir and Troll War is responsible for the troll empire existing at all, for Lei Shen's rise to greater power, for the War of the Shifting Sands, for basically the whole plot of Pandaria

[upper pasture]

basically this is just Noz power too. and yet we see him fail at things all the time lol

[pulsar minnow]

And the Primus

And Nozdormu

Wow these future teller guys suck at their jobs huh

Please blizz just make nzoth have a brain cell 🙏

[upper pasture]

it's almost as if they can't really tell the true future or.....the future is always changing

[pulsar minnow]

I’m just kidding

[warm topaz]

titans are for order what old gods are for void right?

[deep pawn]

no

Titans are told to us to be THE Order Pantheon

why they exist in reality and not their own plane we don't k now

[uncut vault]

Titans are equivalent to the Void Lords, the Old Gods are the same level as the Keepers

[deep pawn]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Titans are lying entirely and there's a true order pantheon hiding elsewhere

so Ansurek aged fast in 6 years if the cutscene really only goes back that far

and maybe we'll find why it took like 14 years for their kingdom to decline cause then it's not the Arathi

[uncut vault]

a separate Order Pantheon would definitely help explain the current discrepancies between world souls and what we know of Titans

[pulsar minnow]

I mean we got dragons that pop out their eggs as full grown adults

Spider people aging a little faster than normal is not out of the realm of possibility

[upper pasture]

i was always under the impression that the battle at ny'alotha was like "looking back" or some time travel shenanigans

[silent urchin]

the sepia toned stuff seems like it's meant to be more historical, yeah

[hazy kettle]

Same root-race as the Mantid, correct? And they age pretty darn fast too @uncut vault(As in, Mantid, Nerubians and Silithid are spawns of the same origin, with the individual old god's touches)

[upper pasture]

so it's definitely more than the 6 years that people are trying to make it out to be

[opaque pewter]

You can also reach adulthood in a much shorter time than humans
We have RL examples with animals vs. us

[uncut vault]

Correct, they all came from the Aqir, but splintered after the Aqir and Troll War got most of them killed

[zealous sedge]

Do we think we’ll get to know who or what Xal really is with these short stories? Or do we think that’s gonna be a final raid tier reveal.

[deep pawn]

there was some hotfix tuning that just went out

no notes yet

[warm topaz]

is Beta up? should we have a buld today?

[deep pawn]

beta hasn't gone down

it's unlikely they'll do full builds given it's release candidate time

[pulsar minnow]

doubt it. it'll probably be a mystery til we "defeat" her or she powers up enough to show us her "true" form like the jailer

[deep pawn]

Kaivax posting about them looking at Prepatch event hp values

so soon notes

[warm topaz]

thanks god

it took so long to kill mini boss

[upper pasture]

maybe they can put those shield drops on the vendor 🥲

[deep pawn]

I got it thankfully, the book too, but yeah

[austere gazelle]

Since apparently world souls can become titan - and other stuff - according to the evolutionary path taken, it's possible that the Celestials Observers are the one behind the move of the " titans"

[iron hare]

Guys

I'm high as fuck and just bought wow

First of all

So beautiful

Second of all

What lfr should I do for my first raid back

[tropic trail]

Have fun, haha 😆

[opaque pewter]

The one you can get in when you can. At this point I'm not sure many people queue for them
Might want to queue for many of them

[dense plover]

#wow-help

this is the wrong channel to ask for help

[iron hare]

It's more of an opinion thing then advice

[dense plover]

doesnt matter

wrong channel

this is for the beta and ptr

[iron hare]

Oh

Sorry my b

Stoned brain

[harsh mason]

Oh Girl, why??? She's bald now.😭

Xal's Alchemy is merciless

[upper pasture]

honestly, the headdress is prolly a wrap

[dense plover]

i dont think thats hair yeah

its a headdress

and now she has a different crown

[pulsar minnow]

Well nerubians do have hair, but it’s probably inside her crown now

Also- Ansurek is an ascended too right? That’s why she has human-like features now including a nose and all that

[harsh mason]

Yes, she also used this alchemy on herself

Her whole body has changed a lot.

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah just making sure bc she still has the spider lower half and all that

[harsh mason]

Little🤏

Well, judging by this frame, it's not part of the crown. Yes, not literally hair, but something like hair (appendages on the head)

[upper pasture]

the thing is is it COULD be hiding more hair and when she's younger she lets some of it hang out but when she's queen she could have it all hidden (or she could be bald)

[crystal pond]

It's not hair, but some kind of appendages that look like hair.

Yeah ansurek went into bald mode because her mother have those just fine

[opal storm]

Am i having deja'vu or this conversation already happened?

I swear i saw the appendages message about a month ago

Quick word search shows that its indeed deja'vu. Damn

[hazy kettle]

Quick cooking regarding a recent talk about future plot points (feel free to ignore my insane rambles ):
Considering we have an Order-Pantheon, aka. the Titans, and we are currently learning they are actually quite big di- a bunch of asshats from our perspective as mortals living on Azeroth, I think it's very possible the World Souls are basically just un-changed prime beings, aka. the unspecced talent tree compared to the six realms. In other words, Azeroth (and previously Argus) may just be beings not (yet) classified by the wow alignment chart, who can be turned to any of the six sides (aka. becoming a titan of order, death, void, light, chaos or life).

Furthermore, given that the Primus interacted with our Order-Pantheon (iirc) + Muezala made the bargain for Odyn's eye, I see a possible change-up coming - the Death Pantheon is a sham and they are just robots, aka. they are the equivalent of the titan keepers, not equivalent to our Titans (which would put the first ones on the level of our Titans, which... would make plenty of sense in some way, less in others)

Since the Jailer (and Sire Danathrius) effectively put spies into the other realms, with Odyn doing a similar thing (aka trading his eye to be able to see into the Shadowlands, which he hasn't used in game to my knowledge ), it's highly possible the whole "Zereth X" places are just the equivalent of outposts rather than a creation engine by beings standing ABOVE the Titans, etc.

... damn, that was one hell of a cookout.

[subtle oar]

Odyn used the info he gleaned from seeing into the Shadowlands to create his Valkyr

[hazy kettle]

I was not aware of that information, tyvm for updating me on it.

Either that or my dumbbutt forgot about it.

[hazy kettle]

Also, one more thing - Magni is the Speaker of Azeroth, yet he very clearly favours the titans. Since he can't literally speak to her in a language that's understandable, the whole dropping him and not talking to him anymore might also be influenced by that. I get the strong feeling Azeroth wants to be her own thing, which the other cosmic forces clearly don't like.

[amber jay]

Whats difference between PTR 11:0.2 and 11.0.0 ?

[austere gazelle]

the last digit means that there is small hotfix or very minor change

[amber jay]

Theen if there is some minor changes why is there are two separate version of PTRs.

[austere gazelle]

because they didn't delete the first one of they need to test the delta between the two 🤷

[silent urchin]

11.0.2 is the full expansion patch likely coming tuesday of release week

11.0.0 is where they test hotfixes before retail, and is current patch

11.0.0 split off from TWW dev a couple months back, so there's all sorts of changes to expansion content (and the final bits of shaman/paladin class changes) that are in 11.0.2

[harsh mason]

I was pleasantly surprised that Ansurek has such a rather gentle and pleasant voice. I was afraid she'd have a typical spider voice.

[austere gazelle]

the Death Pantheon is a sham and they are just robots

No, they are souls of existing entities that were funneled into robot. Because they have to die first to rule the SL.

The winter Queen , aka Elune sister was "' sent " into the shadowlands to " assume her role " given to her by the firsts ones
It's specifically said in " grimoire of the shadowlands " that both Elune and the Winter Queen were together in the physical realm before they had to separate to go into their respective , assigned, pantheon

it's highly possible the whole "Zereth X" places are just the equivalent of outposts rather than a creation engine by beings standing ABOVE the Titans

As for this one, we were told that Zereth Mortis was the place that created and shaped the shadowlands according to the need of this realm, and Zovaal had access to all other Zereth from here that he wanted to subvert through domination magic, in the end, controlling all the cosmos, those are the creation engine and Zovaal knew this because he put his whole plan to subvert the cosmos around his ability to acces Zereth Mortis.

The only place above all of those Zereth are, imo, the Fulcrum of creation, and it is the world soul of Azeroth ( or whatever her original name was )

She is not the last*, but the First, drown her and you will see
Her dreams sing beneath the surface. Quiet now, but her voice will awaken the others
Six Voices in discord, without Harmony , the anthem will be ended

Conveniently, the physical presence of Life and Death on Azeroth was grown through a tree called " the Crown of Harmony "

[upper pasture]

The thought the quote was “she is not the last, but the first, drown her and you will see”

[hazy kettle]

... damn I got called out. All good points, got no retort, that just flew around in me head yesterday night so I wanted to post it. Thanks for bringing receipts.

Sorry, that may very well have come across like I'm being sarcastic - seriously, tyvm for explaining the whole thing, I appreciate the correction.

[worn crown]

I can't wait for Blizz to dive into again the lore of Shadowlands and Zereth Mortis. It is fascinating, creative and the most appealing piece of lore to me since WC3

Where faction war ended as well 😎

And for the naysayers ("Blizz is going to ignore SL xpac completely) just wait and see 😎😎😎

"All eyes shall be opened", as N'zoth once said

[deep pawn]

servers down apparently

maybe I was wrong and we're getting a proper build

[austere gazelle]

Yeah I mixed up a word on this ^^

[upper pasture]

honestly i wonder if that has to do with the queen, since she's technically the last of the nerubians and "drowning" her could be a metaphor for having her drink the blood of the old gods and thus creating the new race the "first" of that kind

[uncut vault]

I will say, it's very fun seeing people talk about how much they loved Neferess in this, and wish they could see more of her

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-paw-paw-monkey-gif-17535679

[deep pawn]

I accidently got spoilered on that haha

||Even if it feels like them ripping off FF14 who did something similar just last expansion.||

[upper pasture]

i just realized that midnights log in music could have potential to be a dark and twisted version of the wow theme and this dark chanting we get in that trailer and i'm absolutely here for it

[little hound]

MMO's have a tendency of taking pieces of eachother's pages, nothing new there. FFXIV loves copycatting themselves.

[deep pawn]

||But heir killing their parent to take power with the help of a shadowy evil backer and turning their parent into a monster is a bit too identical lol.||

[upper pasture]

Uhhh….arthas tho?

Son/daughter killing parent isn’t really a new concept

[dense plover]

i mean, i think its a coincidence

this was the story before dawntrail even dropped

child killing parent and being a bad leader is the basis of an innumerable number of stories

i mean, its even happened a bunch of times historically IRL

[deep pawn]

Nah, I'm referencing Endwalker so 2.5 years ago

[deep pawn]

It's the second two parts that feel very identical

[upper pasture]

Do we even see Neferess again?

[deep pawn]

There's a reason there's the monkey paw up there

[upper pasture]

As far as I know and it’s not very far tbf she’s not in any dungeon or raid

[deep pawn]

I think it's a story spoiler which is why I'm using tags about it

[upper pasture]

Man, if only there was a channel that was for freely talking about spoilers and such /s

[deep pawn]

I think this particular one is kinda climatic and hasn't been talked about as much

[pulsar minnow]

This can be applied to waayyyyyyy more than just ffxiv

[deep pawn]

Just a very similar scenario in the same medium just 2 years apart

Just far enough apart to look like a copy vs coincidence like those two bug movies

[pulsar minnow]

i really dont think its that deep

[warm topaz]

new build!

[deep pawn]

It's not given its throwaway characters for the first tier, just feels more obvious than they normally are

[dense plover]

tbf, that WAS A coincidence

they started development around the same time

[deep pawn]

I know that was my point lol

[dense plover]

also what story in endwalker is like this?

i played all of endwalker

[deep pawn]

83 dungeon

[dense plover]

just fucking explain it

[deep pawn]

I literally did

[dense plover]

was that zot or?

the moon thing?

none of that involves royalty

so im very confused what youre talking about

did you mean Xenos killing his own dad?

isnt that pre-endwalker?

[deep pawn]

Did you totally miss the story in Garlemald?

[dense plover]

no?

[upper pasture]

He just wants to be cagey about it

[dense plover]

i dont fucking remember it

it was YEARS AGO

and anyone who hasnt played it, had YEARS TO DO SO

this is the fucking spoiler channel

[deep pawn]

Anima was made from Zenos's dead dad and parts of him used to make the various towers.

[dense plover]

what the fuck are you talking about with the tower of babil being even sort of similar? you mean taking the dad and turning him into a monster?

thats a minor plot point

its not even the main point of either expac

its a minor plot point

[deep pawn]

I'm just pointing out that it's hilarious the same scenario is showing up in WoW 2.5 years later.

Of course WoW is telling it in a compressed form like it does most story.

[pulsar minnow]

Look no offense but this really feels like grasping at straws

Like that sort of plot idea is not original to FFXIV nor WoW

there's plenty of stories with characters killing their parental figure or friend because a dark entity told them to

[deep pawn]

But turning them into a monster right after? That's a bit rarer

I don't think Arthas reanimated his father, just stole half his soul.

[upper pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/the-point-over-your-head-stupid-gif-9513667

[deep pawn]

Sorry, I know it's cliche, and it's part of why I find Ansurek an extremely boring villain but it's just funny to me how close the two examples are.

[upper pasture]

Two semi similar things happening in between 2 1/2 years isn’t really close

[deep pawn]

Given expansions are written about 2 years out

[upper pasture]

Okay dude, just believe whatever you want to I guess

[deep pawn]

I'm probably misreading the room cause I don't feel like I'm being that combative but you and MrPeach are. Sorry.

I was trying to be a bit polite cause it was a last zone climatic moment that I hadn't seen discussed much and even Portergauge was inferring more than explicitly discussing it.

Is beta back up.

Still haven't seen any notes

[scarlet ridge]

I hope that fishing is no longer bricked, I am genuinely tired of making reports

still bricked, no use effect

[scarlet ridge]

Pathfinders fixed though so I can now fly on Kah, Legend of the Deep

[sullen dawn]

Peach is almost always combative/passive aggressive imo. I wouldn't take it personally

Personally I wasn't a big fan of the cinematic. Huge step down compared to say the Nzoth/Azshara one in BFA

Honestly cinematics have been quite poor since BFA (which was peak across the board)

[signal bone]

do we know if the vendors for the reps in TWW require resonance crystals + other items like the base DF reps or is it just res crystals?

[glass flicker]

Shoo, Xal'atath, shoo!

[acoustic kraken]

bonk

[rain cave]

I do love how she can just portal anywhere

[glass flicker]

To be fair, there are a lot of WoW characters with abilities that just go unexplained or are shown only once.

[rain cave]

usually portal magic is shown to be either consistently channeled for longer distances or limited to short jumps when fast

[glass flicker]

Like Sylvanas malding, calling everyone nothing, turning into a puff of smoke and flying to sulk in her room, painted all black, with posters of Marilyn Manson everywhere.

[rain cave]

but from what we've seen she can just open portals on the fly to wherever the hell she wants

[glass flicker]

Or Kael'thas suddenly turning big and dying.

[rain cave]

she probably has like a little room in the void lmao

and she just ports from there to mess with people

[glass flicker]

Pocket dimensions are a thing. Have you met Akazamzarak?

[rain cave]

Akazamzarak is the real dalaran traitor

he's got xal in his hat

[glass flicker]

[acoustic kraken]

jaina calls down a blizzard across stormwind which can only think something like that would have been handy more than once

[glass flicker]

Jaina freezes the sea so she can fight some CHAMPIENS OF AZERITE.

Oh, here's a good one. It's not canonical, but it happened in the Warcraft movie.

So, you know how both Draka and Durotan are mag'har, aka no fel blood?

[rain cave]

oh yeah but thrall became green

[glass flicker]

Yeah, the movie explains why Thrall is green. He dies at birth and Gul'dan puts the soul of a deer in his body.

And he gets green.

[rain cave]

good point actually is there a lore reason thralls green?

in the actual canon

[glass flicker]

Not until the movie, I guess?

[acoustic kraken]

this in the books but technically azeroth wasnt attacked with the sword by the giant demon. it was mages fault

[glass flicker]

I don't know.

[rain cave]

the movie isnt canon unfortunately

[glass flicker]

Yeah.

[rain cave]

well

fortunately

[acoustic kraken]

demon was enemy of a single or few mages, and brandished the weapon and dropped it during fight. according to khadgar's visions in book

[glass flicker]

To be fair, I would have loved for Blackhand's canonical death to occur thanks to Lothar slicing his balls.

[rain cave]

as fun as it was I was a bit peeved that they didn't just stick to the establish lore so that it could act as a substitute for people who haven't played early warcraft

[rain cave]

blueballed blackhand

[glass flicker]

It happened in the movie.

[rain cave]

the movie is so strange in a lot of ways lmao

[acoustic kraken]

tbf its funny but can die like that

[glass flicker]

Lothar did a sick knee slide between Blackhand's legs and yeah.

[rain cave]

but there's some good bits for sure

[acoustic kraken]

lots of blood and arteries and stuff

[rain cave]

like the races not understanding eachother is a cool effect, the orcs look really good

[glass flicker]

Also, I love how badass gryphons are shown to be in battle.

[rain cave]

and it was fun to see all the warcraft stuff translated to the big screen like stormwind, taverns, mages

there's that level up effect hidden in there as well

[glass flicker]

There was a scene of the gryphon taking five orcs at once and winning.

[acoustic kraken]

the movie i thought the effects and all the look of it was amazing and didnt get what was wrong with the story so guess not big enough lore nerd

[rain cave]

I genuinely think that they should do the edgerunners/arcane/fallout style of show or movie if they ever tried to do it again

[acoustic kraken]

i forget where there the dwarves throwing hammers off the gryphons like in game though?

[rain cave]

as in just make a show about something that we've not seen before, but is canon

[glass flicker]

I think they should opt for a full CGI movie, like the Old Warrior cinematics and also every expansion trailer.

[rain cave]

but not all about the major characters we know

[glass flicker]

Sure, it costs a buttload, but it's worth it.

[rain cave]

expensive imo

personally I think going for things more like the ingame models would be fine

[acoustic kraken]

they could do like the final fantasy movies quality of cgi

those were good

[rain cave]

like the new cinematics with the closer to ingame models are reallly nice

there's also that random hearthstone expansion trailer that goes HARD

[glass flicker]

Nah, they should at least steal the Overwatch artstyle if they do animated stuff like that.

[rain cave]

ehh nah that's too expensive and not warcrafty

[glass flicker]

Liadrin vs Arthas?

Yeah it looked good.

[rain cave]

yes

if they did a show like that little trailer that'd be perfect for me

maybe a little less cartoony to make it a bit more painted like ingame

[glass flicker]

Oh yeah, they could do another thing entirely. Have a different studio pick up the character designs, tweak the proportions to fit their style, and just run a show with twelve episodes of forty minutes each, without them being related to one another at all.

Really go wild.

[rain cave]

but yeah it would be sick if they just chose some random corner of the canon, leaned into the classic feel

[glass flicker]

Tell the War of the Ancients, the First War, Second War, Third War, whatever.

[rain cave]

an expedition into stranglethorn with a party of low/mid level aesthetics

and some higher end stuff sprinkled in as it progresses

[glass flicker]

You don't need that feeling of continuance between episodes if they're just there to tell the lore, not to be a full, proper show.

Kinda like how the Overwatch animated shorts are.

Can't tell me Mei's short isn't a prequel.

[rain cave]

oh what if they did the westfall rebellions

and the defias origins

[glass flicker]

I mean, the Defias are just stonemasons who drew the short end of the stick with who they put their faith in and were manipulated.

Never trust a noble™

Let alone a house of nobles.

[warm topaz]

https://www.wowhead.com/es/news/war-within-launch-patch-11-0-2-patch-notes-345734

[deep pawn]

I still have nightmares over Sylvanas's noodle hair in the Zereth Mortis patch

Oh this patch landing on Tuesday is earlier than I expected

I was thinking it would be early release week

[rain cave]

yeah that cinematic was strange

since it was the first of its kind released actually it wouldn't surprise me if it was retroactively done?

as in they were planning on doing them in dragonflight, but said ehh we'll test in SL

maybe the model just wasn't where they wanted it before releasing that patch and they just said screw it

or they were just figuring out how to do hair still, since it was the first

glad they stuck with them though they're really nice to watch generally, and cost a lot less than the big CG ones whilst also not mismatching the ingame graphics

[uncut vault]

I think they always had a cinematic of that kind planned, but I do think their plans got severely truncated at some point

Sylvanas' prisoner model never once got used in game, and the internal version of it still had her red eyes, not the blue ones she has in the cinematic

[upper pasture]

makes me wonder if that was supposed to be a bastion zone model for her or something

[uncut vault]

Would have been nice to see her get an actual questline post-Sanctum leading up to her reuniting her soul, rather than just a quick 2 minute cinematic lol

might have given them the chance to have her actually interact with Pelagos prior, so that his choice about the Maw doesn't come out of nowhere

[rain cave]

yeah would have made sense if we had a patch with her before zereth

and Uther figuring out her problems in bastion as a side story whilst the archon recovered

but they had to condense that into the jailer just randomly gives her soul back and she goes into a coma lol

[deep pawn]

I'll die on the hill that an entire story patch in SL got cut

[gloomy tangle]

I’d give my right arm for an nda-shattering tell-all of all the content that ever got cut.

[deep pawn]

Anduin likely had his own raid

And I swear we missed a mini raid in Maldraxxus

[deep pawn]

The Hallowfall music is tripling down on the Arathi being Arthurian

[austere gazelle]

Everything was butchered in the end of SL. Oribos is still in 9.1 state and souls still go to the maw

[plain violet]

What's even funnier is that at the end of 9.2, it was in the 9.2 state. And then boom, before DF prepatch it changed back into the 9.1 state.

[austere gazelle]

Yeah that's sad...

[plain violet]

Yeah, it was never corrected. Sad, I love the original Oribos skybox. x_x

It was so poetic and eerie.

[zealous sedge]

It’s because we’re going back to fix it again 👀😂

[rain cave]

it wouldn't surprise me if they intended to release a couple mini raids to round up some of the storylines

like the drust

or atleast more dungeons idk

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/algalon_ghost/status/1821944274591592774

Algalon, Enigmatic Observer (@algalon_ghost) on X

New #Warcraft build found:
Internal 3 (wowdev3)🔐: 10.2.7.54366 --> 11.0.5.56036

Found at: 08-09-2024@04:18:58 UTC

Twitter · Aug 9, 2024, 4:18 PM

oh wow

[thin warren]

cool!

now that will be spoilers for the end of 10.0 i guess 😄

[lilac imp]

Hey guys, quick question, just got TWW epic, and downloaded beta.
Its my first time in beta so not sure what is normal and what is not.
My account is empty, but i read on internet that other people have their characters copied to beta.
Am i doing something wrong?

ah i get it now, it depends on the realm

Went to alleria, and could copy, but on "it goes to elevel" i couldnt

[upper pasture]

Yup, alleria and Khadgar are able to copy but it goes to 11 is for premade templates

[lilac imp]

Can i copy my UI settings also?
Will it break something if i just copy-paste intefrace folder?

[warm topaz]

yep, you should can

[lilac imp]

hmm i think i`m gonna need to create new character anyway, i imported one, but quest log says "talk to khadgar in dalaran to teleport to new areas" but the only option there is to view the cinematic, he wont take me anywhere

[hoary trail]

theres a tauren in the capital city where you spawn in the first time, he teleports you to the new area

[lilac imp]

ah cool, thanks!

[warm topaz]

https://x.com/algalon_ghost/status/1821978786688078036?t=9m36A6lfsxQwEELBrO0QZw&s=09

Algalon, Enigmatic Observer (@algalon_ghost) on X

New #Warcraft build found:
Beta (wow_beta): 11.0.2.56044 --> 11.0.2.56071

Found at: 08-09-2024@06:36:07 UTC

Twitter · Aug 9, 2024, 6:36 PM

new beta build too

[crystal pond]

My brain broke
I thought you drop the same build but then i saw that this is wow beta

[warm topaz]

hahahahaha

[crystal pond]

I wonder what can be in 11.0.5
Well it says new story i wonder what it can be

[warm topaz]

10.0.5 was Trading Post

[silent urchin]

still never got the 10.2.7 holiday event :(

[crystal pond]

Yeah but this one telling about new story

Hmmmm

[upper pasture]

Tbh it could’ve been a pride event and got cut because people are toxic af

[warm topaz]

maybe it was just delayed to a later content update

[silent urchin]

Maybe, they just never mentioned it

[crystal pond]

Sorry im a little bit got lost
The was no pride event?

I thought there was, i saw some content but wasn't digging into it

[warm topaz]

nope, some assets were datamined but never seen ingame

well there was one in the trading post right?

[crystal pond]

Many companies didn't celebrate pride this year like in previous ones

I just remembering it

Don't think its because ppl are toxic

[deep pawn]

Those transmog changes are nice

I'm gonna guess at Gamescom we get Holly showing a roadmap

My question is if we get an 11.1 trailer or not

[crystal pond]

But
Blizzard will not be at gamescom, no?

Oh nvm they will be

[deep pawn]

Holly Longdale and Ion will both be there so it has to be something notable about WoW to announce

[upper pasture]

I’m assuming the pride event got cut and some assets were put into the TP

[harsh mason]

Maybe an epilogue to the Nerubian story arc

[warm topaz]

probably 0.5 and 0.7

or something like that

like Legion

[crystal pond]

...of creating yet another council 💀

[warm topaz]

Legion was a major patch 7.1

but who knows

[harsh mason]

Despite the fact that the emphasis was placed on Ansurek as one of the main antagonists (+ we don't often see antagonists in childhood), I don't think she will survive the first plot act

[deep pawn]

Two mini patches isn't something you send the two big honchos to reveal

[crystal pond]

With the leaks that was we gonna 100% kill her

[deep pawn]

The raid title is Queenslayer

[upper pasture]

Could be Diablo 4 stuff too?

[crystal pond]

Well for sure we gonna hunt xal for the rest of tww

[deep pawn]

Holly and Ion don't do Diablo news

[crystal pond]

Ion do diablo news no?

I remember him being at Diablo 4 report? Fix? I forgot what it was

[deep pawn]

I don't think so given his job is entirely WoW related.

Even Holly is like the VP over Warcraft

[warm topaz]

we know for sure that is something about WoW bc blizz invited some content creators that only do WoW

[deep pawn]

Oh? I didn't know that

[harsh mason]

Weeeeeeell, titles don't mean much, they're not hints at plot points.

[deep pawn]

My guess is info on 11.0.5, 0.7, and 11.1.0. If we're lucky they just give us the whole 2025 roadmap

[pulsar minnow]

I mean “slayer” doesn’t leave much to the imagination does it

[upper pasture]

Maybe the 20th anniversary event?

[pulsar minnow]

I’m gonna guess they’ll probably drop a roadmap or announce at least 11.0.5

[warm topaz]

i'm almost 99% sure that is some new content, now, what new content?

[harsh mason]

I think she will die because, judging by what is shown in the game, she has already completely lost her "humanity"

[deep pawn]

We already had 11.0.5 on the roadmap for this year and it does include the anniversary event

8 weeks after expansion launch would be late October.

11.0.7 would be early January with 11.1 in February or so

I'm still hoping against hope that Blizzard decides against capping m0 at veteran loot

I'm really sad they backtracked on m0 being a mega dungeon type difficulty with loot to match

[hazy kettle]

Well, we got one in 3 expansions so far - and given the popularity of them, especially if it doesn't cost a raid tier to make instead (DF had only 2 main patches instead of previous 3, same as Shadowlands - so long as we can still go by this formula), I doubt they'll just give up on 'em.

[deep pawn]

The upgrade system does make for those fun situations where an item only loses 4 ilvls on drop but 13 ilvls on max upgrade.

No, I'm talking about m0 dungeons

When they revealed s4 they said the goal was for m0s to be difficult enough to award normal raid gear

[hazy kettle]

Oh, I prolly got that wrong then. o: Didn't they change heroic to old mythic 0 to compensate?

Or are we talking purely itemization and they went back on that decision as a whole?

[deep pawn]

Their terms involved a mega dungeon like experience.

In TWW m0s drop veteran track gear which is what I'm talking about

[hazy kettle]

I think that's not doable though. :

[deep pawn]

Likely because of the daily lockout stuff

I certainly don't want dungeons like launch DotI for lfr gear lol

[hazy kettle]

To elevate all m0's to a "mega dungeon experience", given the size and difficulty of them. °- °

I mean, valid. If anything they need to make the bosses and their loot worthy, which - if M0 is now M10 - they hopefully are already implementing in TWW.

[deep pawn]

We already know the rewards for dungeons in season 1.

[hazy kettle]

Or... repeat, so to say, since it was a feature in Dragonflight - my brain's all over the place with this topic. I hope they do right by you and by what they said.

[deep pawn]

They nerfed dungeon loot at pretty much every step

[upper pasture]

could also be M0s drop that until the season opens no?

[deep pawn]

No, m0 doesn't even open til season launch

Before that we only have heroic dungeons which drop adventurer track

[upper pasture]

oh right heroic only

[deep pawn]

In general I'm a bit grumpy at blizzard devaluing rewards outside of mythic raiders

[upper pasture]

i mean, we will also have delves which go up to heroic raid itmlvl and is soloable

[deep pawn]

yeah, except hero track is now 7 ilvls worse than it was in DF.

[upper pasture]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dense plover]

Honestly who cares

If you aren’t raiding, those ilvls don’t even matter

[deep pawn]

They matter for key runners, it matters for the solo delve, it matters for the next season

Lots of people care that they're elevating the mythic raid pillar further when they already get the best weapons and often the best trinkets

I think the situation where heroic raid gear was only 6 ilvls behind mythic revitalized heroic and normal raiding

13 ilvls is a pretty big difference

Either hero track needs to be 8/8 or they need to go back to myth track being 4/4

Myth 6/6 doubling the amount of crests you need a season is problematic on its own

Mythic raiders trot out the "most guilds just extend their lockout so no one ever gets loot from the raid"

[ember blaze]

yes and it sucks

and if youre someone on the lowest end of loot prio its even worse

[deep pawn]

I think that's a player issue that won't be solved by making mythic loot "stronger"

It feels like to me most mythic raiders hate the fights and only want the achievement

[ember blaze]

i got no opinion i was just sharing that it sucks 😂

[deep pawn]

i'm half convinced the prepatch event exists so we are okay with Khadgar dying

his constant repeating of the same lines as you level

[opal storm]

No time for nostalgia, champion!

[hazy kettle]

I feel you, I've started to mentally blur him out...
Which is never good, because it's Khadgar and I love my precious gray fox.

[deep pawn]

Enjoy the time together

[hazy kettle]

On an unrelated note, since the topic of "what is Xal'atath really" often comes up

It probably is nothing, but she's referred to as a living weapon on Mythrax' wiki page, similar to another "living weapon" with "Xal" in their name: Xalzaix

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Xalzaix

It's mentioned in the trivia section of Mythrax' page, hence there's not really much gravity to this, but given expansions are planned 2 years prior (and Xalatath was a thing in BFA already, receiving a physical form by 8.1.5 iirc). Granted, all of this is kinda weird given that Xalzaix is a giant merciless one who looks like a combination between the usual squid-features and a prism. 👀

Usually there's some reason behind similar names though (albeit this thing is spelled Xalzaix and not Xal'zaix)

[lilac imp]

Anyone else have that problem, where it keeps sending me to character creation screen, and even if i want to go "back" to my character list, it keeps going back to character creation?
I cant do anything, have to just kill game process in manager because its stuck, and there are no controll buttons in character creation.
If i create character, it just gets me back to create another one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM6SghYmQ9M

recorded a video

[sleek solar]

Lol wut

[lilac imp]

Sometimes after pressing escape like 50 times it "clicks" and doesnt take me to creation screen again

But it takes time

But its a one-time success, if i then try to relog or something and go back to character screen, its escape spamming all over again for some time

[silent urchin]

Strange. I know it defaults to character creation if you've selected a realm without any characters, but it should be straightforward to back out

[lilac imp]

Yeah if i back out, my character screen just shows up for half a second and then its back to character creation

Also i am not sure it is normal that i see character from different servers on 1 screen

Just got to beta yesterday, so i`d love feedback to know if this is normal

If you create 1 character on for example Turnips Delight realm, and one on Alleria realm, do you see them on the same screen?