Yeah what was the post even about?
#no-wow-discussion
timber crag
Clearly it said something that pissed people off
and we're just edging around that
radiant roost
spice perch
Having more freedom of motion with your character
timber crag
what does that mean? what that means differs between you and me
spice perch
Ok I will quote what I said
urban kite
and any other comments you left for context, yeah
timber crag
so what was the original post?
spice perch
"I think Blizzard should give players more freedom of motion. such as moving and casting but with reduced speed and maybe to balance it give melee classes abilities to close the distance to avoid abuse of such a feature."
timber crag
You can move and cast with certain spells already, and melee have gap-closing movement abilities too. I think that's the thing people found problem with, it's not a huge issue
spring burrow
Ehhh casting while moving seems op
timber crag
only real ability that comes to mind off top of my head is scorch
spice perch
It is if you do nothing to balance it.
spring burrow
Frost mages wpuld be op with kiting
timber crag
oh for sure
deft vapor
there was a time Ele shamans could cast Lightning Bolt while moving
spice perch
A lot of the comments were like Git Gud and Play a Hunter etc..
deft vapor
and if they don't have gap closers, they got some sort of movement ability or a slow
spring burrow
Ye
spice perch
Is that feature really that absurd? Or would it in theory with the right balancing be fine?
Or is it "reaching"
spring burrow
It feels like reaching imo
timber crag
Will they balance classes to a point? No never, let's be real
deft vapor
Also, iirc Destro Warlocks had a talent that let them cast while moving.. but at the cost of slowing them as the cast finished
spring burrow
Casters kinda lose their flavor if they dont have to stand still and ya know... cast
deft vapor
it became the talent EVERY warlock HAD to take
spice perch
True but look at wowhead and such. Talents are basically pre picked because "min/max" or whatever lol.
DPS is all about numbers right?
deft vapor
Casters are very much a glass cannon type of DPS where they'll absolutely murder you if you ignore them
deft vapor
but on the off-side to compensate, they don't have much mobility/freedom of movement as a caster
deft vapor
essentially, casters would need a -20% damage nerf if they were to be given the ability to cast while moving... or some other utility/defensive pruning
heady solstice
if they were to be given the ability to cast while moving
looks at norganon's foresight yeah if they were
spring burrow
Also imagine SPriest with no having to stand still
Itd be like surrender to madness without the drawbacks of it
deft vapor
yeah, for Spriests they'd basically have to remove Psychic Scream
so melee can actually stick on them and be able to kill them
spice perch
What about Fire MAge?
deft vapor
'cause DoTs and a channeled Mind Flay slow? yeah good luck
they already got Scorch to cast while moving
spring burrow
Fire Mage already gets a fair amoutn of instacast procs
urban kite
want the most busted DPS class in the game to be able to fucking cast while moving at the same time?
spring burrow
BM hunter though
timber crag
fire is great fren hehe
deft vapor
and they have a fair amount of insta-casts
timber crag
so much suffering
deft vapor
that can lead to big burst insta-casts
heady solstice
did this man just suggest that fire mage didnt have enough insta casts?
timber crag
I'm all for more ngl
spice perch
Maybe everytime you cast a spell the GCD creates a stacking movement debuff?
spring burrow
With no crit investment it doesnt
so the old warlock talent but baseline
Ya know
The one EVERY warlock took
spice perch
Up to say -75% movement speed?
deft vapor
Kil'jaeden's Cunning, iirc it was called?
timber crag
why am I getting slowed for casting again?
spring burrow
The one that was so op it got nerfed, but still used to the point where it was just removed
spice perch
@heady solstice No they have plenty...
spring burrow
Also giving every caster more mobility will trivialize raid and dungeon content
spice perch
Well in theory casting uses your own energy and would tire you out. You do move a lot.
timber crag
Yeah, but mana is worthless rn
spring burrow
^
timber crag
In SL's they're fixing that
heady solstice
imagine running out of mana in bfa
spring burrow
The only caster that uses it is arcane mage
heady solstice
spring burrow
And healers
timber crag
All my combos, not even a quarter of my mana drops
Shimmer takes a bit away, but it regens so quick
spring burrow
Yeah mana is so nonexistent its why casters are more builder spenders
timber crag
and even if it drops a ton, I just bust out a food table
eat mana buns, back up to full in 2 seconds
spice perch
See now this is a civil convo/debate i guess lol. So how the hell was my post a "troll"? I don't get it lmao.
timber crag
I don't get it either, they must had thought you were a noob asking such a thing
which is kinda understandable
spice perch
So the admin said I was muted because I made multiple posts. I made 2. One was this one and the other was about Sylvannas and the possibility to be redeemed in Shadowlands. TF?
Just got contacted lol
again
spice perch
Wait...first I'm being a troll...now I am posting too much? ... ...I don't even know.
timber crag
No I just think they're too uptight
They are genuine questions, with easy answers
I couldn't tell ye
spice perch
So are you excited for the SL Fire Mage buffs?
heady solstice
spice perch
I like playing with fire so...kinda my thing lol.
heady solstice
spice perch
Oh...my bad
timber crag
I'm like it, I'll probs go Kyrian, they have the best ability
and well, draenei...going to them, just seems right
timber crag
mhm, can't wait to appear Man'ari-like
just hope they add the fel green eyes as an option
heady solstice
emu have been confronted about the fairly disgusting things
lost plinth
truly
lost plinth
marc is owed one making an idiot out of me, it's cool
spring burrow
Wtf
timber crag
ay ay ay lessa go
spice perch
I'm still dealing with the Admin from the FB group lmao. She says "Everyone has an opinion...and the group has 118,000 of them so yeah...it's gonna get heated." and I reply "True and that's fine. I just shouldn't have been muted. And to boot I made 3 posts. One about Sylvannas, one about move casting, and one about basically being considerate about people suggestions. So on that front the mute was BS. Yes one post kinda refered to another but no, all three were different topics. All I will apologize for is if one of them made your job difficult. You could have just warned me and turned off commenting on it." and "Only thing I did "wrong" was post an apparently very unpopular opinion."
So there were 3 not 2 posts that I made.
main dirge
why cowboy boots got the little star on back end of them
main dirge
+1 to hakudo
spice perch
lol
timber crag
Spurs increase damage in FF? that too, is wack
heady solstice
i think 91 is playing monster hunter still
heady solstice
ok
spice perch
So most of the time with this build you basically never stop moving because a lot of your spells become insta-cast.
spice perch
So it goes in Retail?
heady solstice
damn man
urban kite
probably yeah, since it's a retail specific video
heady solstice
they released 8.3 for ff14 already?
spice perch
hahaha
urban kite
you can delete the video from here now, to prevent doubleposting between channels
spice perch
I don't think they like it in retail lmao
main dirge
ok
urban kite
its probably because you dumped it in right in the middle of a conversation people were having
and the video itself is just dogshit about a class everyone already knows is OP
but i dunno
spice perch
Well it is what it is. I mean it's not like I CAN'T drop a vid in at any time, or anyone else for that matter. So it really shouldn't be an issue. Personal preference though which is out of my control. And I am unethical when it comes to gaming lol. Kinda like fire.
But yes the video IS dogshite
urban kite
sure, but you just dropped the video in the middle of a conversation, with zero context, zero comment
its not "personal preference", you just kinda shoved it in there
spice perch
Hey my bad if I couldn't figure out what to say lol. Figured I would post it then comment once I got my head on straight. And some people take offence to that, some don't.
You could drop a video on me right now that has nothing to do with this and I would be fine cause I don't let it bug me. That's MY "personal preference".
Maybe "Macho" is offensive to skinny people lmao. NO two ways about it really.
urban kite
or just don't be rude when people are talking, or if you want to share something then give some context to it
it's not "offensive" or a "preference" it's just you being an ass
spice perch
Thanks
timber crag
Not your fault, just needed a heads up
spice perch
I know. That's life.
timber crag
Alrighty, glad this is "resolved". What were we even discussing?
spice perch
I posted a vid about a %100 crit fire mage.
timber crag
Ah yes, well, as I fire mage, I'll just touch yup my scorch talent-wise, other than that, my fire blast is what matters
spice perch
Couldn't figure out what to say so I just posted it. I was gonna comment but...NOt dast enough.
urban kite
"What were we even discussing?"
yep, thats about right
spice perch
It does allow you to move and cast apparently
urban kite
gotta leap in without even reading lmao
spice perch
Enough
timber crag
Yeah but it barely does much else, unless you get the crit on 90% health targets and speed boost talent
It's nice for doing damage while gaining distance however
I however still use fireball to restart my crit
urban kite
If you'd both like to take it to the appropriate channel please 🙂
spice perch
Since you are critting on everything the damage is high too. Kepps up with Mastery. But also boosts that with Combustion.
timber crag
I'll leave it there.
spice perch
Same...
heady solstice
@urban kite you gotta stop telling them to move channel its their "personal preference "
urban kite
of course my mistake
timber crag
Actually, question:
Am I still "fucking annoying"?
I just want to clear the air of that comment
Had it on my mind for a bit
spice perch
Who said that?
timber crag
Swole bear
spice perch
AH figures
urban kite
in that you keep trying to play peacekeeper and not just let things run their course when it's nothing offensive or interrupting anything? yes
timber crag
Huh, alrighty. Noted.
spice perch
@urban kite Could say the same for you dude
urban kite
no, not really, but thats your preference 😏
spice perch
It is, your right. Thanks for actually confirming that for me. After you said "It's not".
urban kite
try not to let it bug you
spice perch
I am starting to feel like some people are from or belong in Facebook. With their "own kind"
spring heath
Has this been going on all day?
neon hinge
Nah
spice perch
No not really...
neon hinge
just lately
spring heath
Stg I keep popping in and it's the same convo
timber crag
I'll be honest, I only said what I said during the Method chat cause I personally didn't think it was appropriate for the channel, so I do apologise for that
urban kite
and then came in here to complain about it, yes
timber crag
it was out of place
urban kite
don't skip context there morte, it's important
spring heath
I'm too sleepy to backtrack enough
Y'all have a good night I'll be around tomorrow
urban kite
night wolf
timber crag
So yes I can somewhat agree what I did to be annoying
neon hinge
night @ wolf
urban kite
it was about as appropriate as it could be really; had nothing to do with any other channel. i don't hold anything by it, but if it's stuck with you then i'll say sorry for it
spice perch
Next time, before I post a vid, I will have a comment with it to avoid all this if that will help. Did not come here to start anything but good conversations.
timber crag
I'm glad we can put this behind us, I would had replied to it back then, but knew I'd done the damage
and Morte that's a good idea, I'll second that
urban kite
it's alright man, I'm not the easiest to talk to and I get that; and Morte you're getting stuck on the wrong part of the issue, it's more that you just interrupted a conversation going on with something that had zero context or relation other than within this channel
spice perch
And Macho you don't belong in Facebook. You were not wrong in feeling what I did was rude.
urban kite
it's not me that felt it, it was the other group, i was just pointing it out
spice perch
Ok. I admit I didn't read the convo I was not involved in. That's my bad.
naive mural
random question: played wow when classic first came out, are most people still playing classic or did they go back to retail?
spring burrow
Its mixed
Classic still has players, retail is probably played more overall though
timber crag
It's also a mix
spring burrow
^
spice perch
Can I ask a serious question though?
spice perch
nah
timber crag
what is it fren
spring burrow
Ask away
spice perch
So video aside, how many people actually drop in here for countless reasons? To ask questions and whatnot? During which most likely at any time a convo might be going on.
It is a public server after all.
timber crag
This channel is just for anything, a lot more FF stuff
urban kite
plenty, you just saw it happen; but most people see that this is the offtopic channel
heady solstice
this is mainly ff14 chat
timber crag
questions about wow are scattered
spice perch
Final Fantasy?
timber crag
Mhmm
spice perch
Oh ok own but don't really play
timber crag
that's fine, it's either that or just, life in here
naive mural
so ive only played wow classic before back when it first came out, im around level 40 on there. Looking to play wow again, would you guys recommend picking back up in classic or going to retail?
urban kite
classic blows ass in my opinion but you'd be better off doing your own research tbh
timber crag
how do you feel about classic right now?
boring? still has a spark?
missing retail?
spice perch
I like retail myself. Classic gave me a bad taste in my mouth. Not content wise either.
naive mural
never played retail. classic was my first real experience playing wow
timber crag
classic was played once its like cod releasing the same maps on a new game
I started in LK, Classic looks great but I've yet to try it
everyone in classic ha best in slot enchantment and gear
naive mural
for retail id need to buy all of the expansions though, right?
spice perch
I lost my original account back during the whole talent system revamp
spring burrow
Classic also has a huge botting issue right now
timber crag
they're fixing it at least 3-4k a day, holy...
naive mural
dang, not sure what to do
timber crag
you get all the past expansions when you buy the recent one
naive mural
ah i see
urban kite
i mean it's the same sub either way. Spending maybe $10 or so on BFA, play it a bit, you'll get time to test shit out and then.. if not, jump back to classic
spice perch
Retail might come as a shock if your playing and leveling then one day boom, SL comes out and everything just changed. For vets it's nothing but for new players it can be a shock.
urban kite
or yeah, don't even need to buy BFA since the sub gets you up to level 110
naive mural
are there still a bunch of new players on retail though?
urban kite
yeah
naive mural
it gets me to 110?
urban kite
loads of people are getting in or just making alts
you can play up to 110 with a sub
120 is BFA
naive mural
oh i see
urban kite
and then if you don't like it for whatever reason, you can switch to classic
naive mural
is there a new expansion coming out soon or is that the one were talking about?
urban kite
shadowlands, in the next 4-6 months
spice perch
SL is 40 right now. with a sub it's 55.
urban kite
no release date yet, it's why BFA is 50% off right now
urban kite
no such thing
naive mural
appreciate it
naive mural
just one more thing ( i think lol)
spice perch
Exp launches are typical for July or August. SL might come out soon. But not likely since a lot is changing.
naive mural
i see that the deluxe edition is 30$, does that come with game time or no
neon hinge
Only base game comes with time
timber crag
you can see it in the picture
naive mural
oh okay
neon hinge
Rather, you get the base game if you sub for a month xD
timber crag
urban kite
I'm not seeing the game time
urban kite
thats a boost
timber crag
oh wait
urban kite
which comes with just buying BFA
urban kite
the SL pre-order collection thing comes with time? but you'd be better off just buying BFA for now
timber crag
yeah it does for the heroic
naive mural
would it be worth it to just get game time and try out retail before buying bfa or no?
urban kite
Yeah, definitely
urban kite
yeah that'll take you up to level 20
timber crag
still gives a good feel
it's pretty much up to legion content
like the boat to BFA doesn't work
naive mural
okay, i think i might have accidentally done that when classic came out.. thought i was playing classic haha
urban kite
they share the same sub either way so.. if you're wanting to play both then you can
naive mural
right
urban kite
yeah it's just 1 sub
urban kite
sorta. It runs on a cycle of content, currently the Ahn'Qiraj opening is going to be the most recent thing happening
So they're slowly trickling in "old" content to classic
naive mural
oh okay. so it might be hard for me at level 40 to find people to play/quest with then?
naive mural
dang
timber crag
especially for pre-raiding
naive mural
i was really enjoying it while i was playing it
timber crag
I'd kill to get Scarab Lord, but I haven't logged in once ha
urban kite
I doubt it'd be too difficult, but it's hard to say honestly
naive mural
as dumb as it sounds i didnt know you had to get your races mount and was pissed with my fucking mechanical chicken so i stopped playing haha
timber crag
Yeah, that's the great thing about retail, ride whatever you want
naive mural
thats dope
I understand how complex the question is, but if i decide to go with classic, id have to make another character. What race/class would you recommend for someone whos not really good at the game haha
heady solstice
i mean tbh
urban kite
thats probably better suited for #classic-wow
naive mural
im sorry i meant for retail
urban kite
oh, absolutely anything
heady solstice
whatever looks cool
urban kite
yeah
naive mural
yeah? are they all useful?
deft vapor
if you're really new to the game, pick a class with a pet
since they can tank for you
heady solstice
they're pretty much all good
naive mural
i picked mage bc people were saying they were the strongest in classic
urban kite
they all have their uses, all can be pretty fun and it's down to preference mostly
naive mural
i got you guys
ill try and do some research
i did like being a mage.. I like warriors too but idk if i would like tanking all the time haha
urban kite
no worries, like we said, channels are there for more specific stuff
naive mural
sorry
urban kite
its no problem mate
druids and paladins have their different specs for tank / DPS / heal
they can do all 3, so if you get tired of tanking, can heal or just dps
urban kite
no worries
spice perch
Can you sell me on Druid? lol
I have a 120 tauren druid but don't play horde much anymore.
Not since we were abandoned by our Queen.
spice perch
Ya well maybe she is scared of commitment lmao
Between her and her sister, I don't know who I like more. And we really can't kill her. Her sister has to do that. We just get to make it easier for her.
spice perch
Alleria
spring burrow
Blizz said her death, if it ever happens, will not be taken lightly in game
it'll most likely be a cinematic
spice perch
Who commands the Void Elves, who it would seem, have the power to change someone into a void being. Even if they have no soul.
I don't think she will outright die. There is a reason Alleria now commands the Void Elves.
spring burrow
ehhhh thats a reach
timber crag
This sounds like a #beta-shadowlands talk ngl, and if she does get away with that, the Light/Void expac is going to suck, period
spring burrow
sylvanas flat out said she wanted them both dead
timber crag
Not chasing her down again
main dirge
spice perch
It's not fact or anything. Then again the voids potential is but that info is already in-game.
heady solstice
W 
W
neon hinge
Then you're just walking
Find the hotkey
the exiled gang idk if we can help with that
timber crag
did you press the / on the far right
urban kite
did you try going out of the firelands to see if it's just the firelands or
neon hinge
I don't remember any (de)buff like that on Cata
urban kite
yeah so you know where you said "yea" when i asked if it was happening outside of firelands
yeah no shit
read what people are saying
neon hinge
🤦♂️
urban kite
dunno, probably where someone literally gave you the fucking keybind to press
but you didnt read
oh okay, glad you're suddenly the expert
yeah what a shock
timber crag
Anyone wanna voicechat
lost plinth
bought this thing
fickle sage
hi
urban kite
there's a lot of thing you could have bought in this picture
lost plinth
the neckerchief
main dirge
you bought a catgirl
lost plinth
hat child is unique untradable
main dirge
take good care of her
heady solstice
mameshober
main dirge
I'd need a namazu bell collar
wary gate
idk if any of y'all play Hearthstone: Battlegrounds
but I feel so dirty...
I lost a single battle, and took 8 damage total
hardy forge
pirates amirite
wary gate
Also that was manual poisoning, not a single megasaur.
main dirge
I thought this game died
heady solstice
It did
heady solstice
@lost plinth 
lost plinth
heady solstice
Eh
urban kite
Feels cramped in the middle
urban kite
Beach housing? Hell yeah
heady solstice
"""""Beach"""""
lost plinth
the temporary plot I had was literally fronted on 3 sides by a 1000ft drop
heady solstice
And?
urban kite
Diving board
lost plinth
and I think hat child doesn't like heights
heady solstice
There's a railing for a reason emu
main dirge
goblet of fire
urban kite
I dont think you can live in that
empty swallow
a nut with coco in it
heady solstice
lost plinth
main dirge
spice thistle
Tmw you and your dance partner are top parses in a raid
Feels good man
I am liking dancer too much
main dirge
I'd need to get machine like that
lost plinth
in a way, knowing it's creasingly hilarious spoils it
main dirge
machine I have only does coffee with filter 😦
main dirge
I'd like steam milk
lost plinth
neon hinge
WHY
spring burrow
Well yeah, version exclusives are mostly just items now
Also thats not a fair comparison because that first video is for both bw and bw2
neon hinge
Also thank god there're barely differences
spring burrow
Yeah apart from pokemon
neon hinge
That's what I mean
spring burrow
Ye
neon hinge
Pls no dual versions
spring burrow
BW have literal story differences between the two because those games are heavy story based games
neon hinge
yh I'm up to date with BW
I mean, it's the last I played xD
I need to keep with the 3ds..
spring burrow
Oh lol
Ehh you can ignore gen 6 unless you want to replay hoenn with oras
Gen 6 was meh
main dirge
for me it was jump from like fire red etc. versions on emulator to sword and shield
because I didn't have a ds nor liked to emulate those
emulating 2 screens + a touchpad is stupid
lost plinth
i really do love XY
hands down my favourite
kalos is nice, the characters are fun, story deadass made me cry
spice perch
Hey apologies for barging in but If I stream WoW on Twitch, am I allowed to have the in-game music playing? Or will I get some form of infraction from copyright?
timber crag
Hey, sorry to barge in but is there a rules channel im not seeing or?
spice perch
Ok. I know Asmongold has the music going so...ya lol.
lost plinth
it's #welcome-rules @timber crag
although it is also the rules of the Wowhead website, generally, so maybe check there too
spice perch
@timber crag Oct 10th 2019 post. Says RULES with a red rocket (pun intended lmao).
timber crag
Haha, Im new to WoW but im getting the hang of it, was as soon as i walked into ORG the amount of self promo and gold selling in the chat was mind boggling.
lost plinth
oh a rules channel for wow?
spring burrow
Well yeah, thats trade chat
lost plinth
uh, you'd want to read the terms of service
spice perch
Ya that can daunting lol
timber crag
I know, why do you think i joined this one?
spice perch
Blizz would never have an official discord server for wow lol. Need I say more...?
spring burrow
Yeah that server would be a cesspool
neon hinge
Even more?
lost plinth
but yeah you'd want to read the blizz tos
timber crag
Just account trades left right n centre
neon hinge
gold selling is illegal but the rest is fair
lost plinth
gold sellers in chat are either smart enough to not say 'we're doing this for irl £££' or they're on burner accounts and don't care
neon hinge
/2 varies wildly server from server
lost plinth
cause if they're boosting for ingame currency it's totally above board
spice perch
I had some bloke offer me 12 tokens for $100. Almost took it lol.
timber crag
I just walk into ORG and saw, not like, gold trades or item trades but self promo for stuff not even related to WoW, Maxed out accounts in exchange for gold, the whole shebang.
lost plinth
that is a bit sus
spice perch
"Maxed out accounts"
spring burrow
Yeah thats uhh, maybe reportable
main dirge
I'll report blizzard then, they sell gold
spice perch
There are none of those in WoW lmao.
timber crag
Yeah, stuff along the lines of "500,000 GOLD ALL MOUNTS LEVEL 120 DEATH KNIGHT ONLY 1000000 GOLD"
alpine summit
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/07/the_last_of_us_2_outsells_the_entire_uk_top_10_combined_in_june @regal horizon
heady solstice
main dirge
ew
alpine summit
main dirge
bleeeaaaaauuuuurrrrgggghhhh
regal horizon
Gandem just mad that the fans don't like it but the critics do 
spice perch
I know why it outsold...the picture has something to do with it...lol
heady solstice
heady solstice
Lo
alpine summit
I know why it outsold...the picture has something to do with it...lol
@spice perch doubt it cause the fans were hella buthurt that Ellie wasn't straight
spice perch
God I need a Peter Griffin child laugh meme right now LMAO
heady solstice
alpine summit
Wall of text inc
spice perch
@alpine summit "The fans" he says. So out of millions upon millions of "fans" a few didn't like it and the whole world goes nuts lol.
alpine summit
Yeah I should have quoted "fans" but thlou fans are filled with incells no shocker they don't like the ending
However forcing the player to mutilate a dog was a bit much
spice perch
It's like CoD players complain about hackers being too prominent. Yet out of over 10 million players, maybe 500k are hacking, if even that.
alpine summit
By that logic Wow doesn't have a gold seller problem
spring burrow
and classic doesnt have a botting problem
spice perch
Some people didn't like LOU2. That doesn't mean all the fans don't like it. Just some.
I don't like Fortnite. That doesn't mean the game is shit and that everyone else doesn't like it.
ripe phoenix
it's fine not to like it
what I can't abide is people sending death threats toa voice actor
thats fucked
alpine summit
Aye. Doesn't make TLOU2 not a masterpiece because incell Steve is transphobic
ripe phoenix
I'm stealing 'Incel Steve'
alpine summit
Lmao
spice perch
The death threats part I mean
ripe phoenix
yeh, she didnt even have anything to do with writing the story
alpine summit
Like TLOU2 has fantastic graphics, mechanics, and a decent story. Sure it's more intense than TLOU but just because someone doesn't like something doesn't devalue the incredible quality of the game
spice perch
True
ripe phoenix
also the world design is amazing
spice perch
And there are like 7 different reasons off the top of my head as to why people wouldn't like the game.
regal horizon
"Anyone who dislikes TLOU2 is a transphobic incel,"
Is Gay and Trans & hates TLOU2
ripe phoenix
i dont know if you noticed but it feels super interconnected. even though the story is linear you can see bits of the level from way earlier
maybe factions will use seattle as a big ass map?
alpine summit
I mean tbh a big issue in gaming right now is people changing taste. People expect the game's industry to change taste with them which just isn't accurate. I don't like platformers any more so I don't buy Mario games anymore but I used to love them. Doesn't mean Mario is a bad game, I've just evolved into different taste. And the easiest thing to blame is story. But if you look back at the shit you used to love usually the story was way worse. It's why BFA was shat on when it's probably one of the best expansions in the past 20 years.
"Anyone who dislikes TLOU2 is a transphobic incel,"
Is Gay and Trans & hates TLOU2
@regal horizon literally noone said "anyone" stop making shit up
regal horizon
You did :3
ripe phoenix
tbf i loved bfa. it just had 2 problems. lack of focus in the narrative in the second half of the expansion, and poorly balanced progression system
the rest wasawesome
heady solstice
It's why BFA was shat on when it's probably one of the best expansions in the past 20 years.
I wouldn't go that far
heady solstice
Yeah
regal horizon
BFA was okay, not as bad as WoD but definitely terrible compared to Wrath and MoP
heady solstice
The only expac that made me actually quit wow
ripe phoenix
alpine summit
I would. It had the best patch cycle of all time. The best graphics. The best mechanics. The most personal questing content. The only issue was endgame, which is literally always an issue. Compared to legion for example, legion had 17 weeks of no content in 7.2 the artifact system was nowhere near perfect. People just decided to hate it because beta was bad and they rushed it to launch.
timber crag
i think bfa is good if you play one character
ripe phoenix
ah yes sorry theres a third issue with BFA - bad for alts
spice perch
BFA has it's moments. Like all expansions. It's no different. Blizz however, needs to not lose focus. If people feel an Expansion sucks, maybe it does.
timber crag
hard to balance all your toons while doing a grind everyday
lost plinth
i live in a happy place of i hate the genre and don't give a damn about the franchise
timber crag
it really sucks when you take a month break, a new patch comes out and you have to grind again
alpine summit
Yeah BFA was not very alt friendly
timber crag
i love bfa but its hard to keep up sometimes
heady solstice
Legion was better than bfa by a longshot imo
ripe phoenix
but overall id say it was a fine expansion. if you arrived in 8.3 and skipped the rest itd probably be pretty awesome
lost plinth
i have not been a fan of 'grind to stay relevant, you have no choice'
spice perch
Look at SL. Certain specific things to be vague show Blizz is now listening to the community, somewhat. Thats progress.
timber crag
i love the content, hate the grind
heady solstice
The only complaint I really had was the artifacts
alpine summit
Legion was better than bfa by a longshot imo
@heady solstice were you inactive for 7.2 and 7.3?
regal horizon
Legion was better than bfa by a longshot imo
@heady solstice This
heady solstice
I was like 940ish
timber crag
didnt play legion i heard it was terrible and just leveling through it; it seemed terrible
spring heath
Legion was way better
I played all through and actively raided and had a great time
BfA is the first expac that made me willingly quit and I haven't touched raiding
heady solstice
This tbh
alpine summit
Just didn't really raid
@heady solstice the raids were the only good part of 7.2&3 😬
heady solstice
nah
lost plinth
that's a big 
from me
alpine summit
Can you name maybe 1 thing that was good about 7.2?
timber crag
the raiding mechanics are good in this xpac like i said its just hard to keep up
ripe phoenix
legion was amazing. but tbh i took a huge break from cataclysm to 7.3
so coming back to legion was really coming back to like 4 expansions
timber crag
everything up to MoP was amazing
spring heath
I dunno how people separate content by patches tbh
ripe phoenix
can influence my opinion i think
spring heath
I just judge the entire thing as a whole
timber crag
well each patch contains a dif part of the xpac
spring heath
I get that
timber crag
so i mean you can judge that specific patch
ripe phoenix
@spring heath you can't if you come at teh end anyway. if you're there whole expansion easy enough to compare state of game patch by patch
alpine summit
I mean... 17 weeks of zero content is a pretty large chunk of the whole Wolf
timber crag
like i dont like this current patch on bfa
spring heath
But ADHD decrees all of that arbitrary and not worth remembering
timber crag
the azerite traits and necklace things really mess me up
alpine summit
Yeah az3rite was them trying to make a scrapped wrath system work... Spoiler alert: it didn't work and was scrapped for a reason
spring heath
Imagine not finding things to do in 'content lulls'
ripe phoenix
azerite easily could have worked. i mean its a damned trait picker. many games have done that successfully
timber crag
iv been doing some pvp
alpine summit
I mean there's things outside of legion that could be done. But again, that's not legion that's previous content Wolf
heady solstice
The heart of azeroth is literally just reskined artifacts weapons
spring heath
There was lots in Legion to do
ripe phoenix
@heady solstice its quite different
alpine summit
PvP was also a mess in legion if I remember correctly, cause they made gearing pointless
heady solstice
I had things to do in legion even while not raiding
spring heath
I don't PvP so I can't tell you anything about that
ripe phoenix
legion had one for every spec, flavoursome extra class abilities, cool passives and the grind was better
way less rng too
heady solstice
Esp during 7.3
ripe phoenix
well again i only arrived 7.3, so dont know about 7.1 and 2
timber crag
i miss cata
regal horizon
I mis MoP
ripe phoenix
i miss 10.0
alpine summit
The problem with wow today, that will always exist, is that it's not the game you first played. The focus is all on end game and so the player isn't doing what got them hooked on the game in the first place
spring heath
My biggest complaint about Legion is it trashed enhance and I hate it
I want WoD/MoP enh back
heady solstice
I want legion feral back
regal horizon
I really want MoP BM Hunter back
heady solstice
ripe phoenix
SL enhance feels good so far wolf
spring heath
I mained enh in WoD and they changed it entirely and I haven't been able to touch it since
ripe phoenix
isnt fire mage OP as hell right now?
timber crag
fire mage op because every class pretty much melee based
but ye fire mage always been op
regal horizon
Yeah, the Cata super DoT with Fire Mage was absolutely awesome
ripe phoenix
yeh i get that, and fire is more like a mellee spec
heady solstice
Fire is a bit squishy in bfa
ripe phoenix
instant casts etc..
timber crag
instant pyroblast for W
alpine summit
Mfw I accidentally turned #no-wow-discussion into #retail-wow 😂
ripe phoenix
lol
timber crag
ehhh
spring heath
GG Gan
ripe phoenix
im sure the mods wont mind
alpine summit
im sure the mods wont mind
@ripe phoenix they never do 😂
Also technically this is a channel to talk about anything. Wow is part of anything
😎
spring heath
I saw there was some drama that went down earlier while Thulm was around
heady solstice
Yeah
spring heath
It's so funny seeing someone try to throw out the free speech shit to defend their awful opinions
alpine summit
Lmao what happened
heady solstice
Hmmst
spice thistle
what
spring heath
My guess is someone was being a homophobe
heady solstice
Yeah
ripe phoenix
yeh free spech doesnt mean theres no social reprecutions to throwing shit everywhere
alpine summit
Yeah fuck homophobes
ripe phoenix
yay i like gandem
spring heath
They don't deserve the affection
timber crag
moral of the story dont say shit wont be shit
alpine summit
Actually wait don't homophobes deserve to be virgins forever so they don't repopulate
spring heath
Lol
regal horizon
Yikes
ripe phoenix
well my friends dad is a homophobe and his son is super liberal so nah
but yeh i would rather they dont get laid in the first place 😉
spring heath
I'm so ready to go home x.x my phone is dying so fast
alpine summit
yay i like gandem
@ripe phoenix homie I'm bi af of course I'mma defend the LGBT community. 😎
spring heath
ripe phoenix
hehe i mean im straight but a weirdo
alpine summit
My mom's homophobic 😂 she's learning over time but it's definitely a process with her
main dirge
🐝
ripe phoenix
close enough makore
spring heath
My in laws are incredibly religious and my aunt in law actually prayed that my partner and I would never talk again when we broke up once
So that's super fun
ripe phoenix
our brains dont read whole sentances anyway
alpine summit
I mean it's indoctrination that she has to reverse so it's not really easy to do
The big thing is getting her to understand that the Bible isn't against the gays
ripe phoenix
true, catholic church indoctrinated a lot of peeps here in ireland
spice thistle
Ditto here in Mexico
ripe phoenix
young people mostly tell them to F off, but for parents and older gens its still there
alpine summit
Protestant here in South US
spring heath
I was raised Baptist but when I was like 15/16 I stopped going because I just hated the feel of it
ripe phoenix
yeh spain, mexico and ireland got pretty heavily influenced
spring heath
I did not Vibe with it
main dirge
Jesus is op protagonist
ripe phoenix
my cousin got, you know... by a priest. so that wasthe end of my relationship with church
alpine summit
I was non-denominational. It wasn't until freshman year in college that I started to understand how damaging the church was to my friends. And then I started accepting myself for who I am earlier this year. Jr year's gonna be a trip
ripe phoenix
jesus is a zombie carpenter
spring heath
And that's why rewritings of the bible changed it to man laying with man rather than what it originally was
ripe phoenix
congrats to you gandem 🙂
spring heath
Nasty power tripping people like that
main dirge
to jesus giving stand power?
spring heath
91 did you used to be 88
heady solstice
No
ripe phoenix
he levelled up
heady solstice
They were 89
alpine summit
It was a company in the late 1800's that convinced the Catholic and Protestant churches to change petophilia into homosexuality
ripe phoenix
hmm, i didnt know about that. anywhere to read about it?
alpine summit
Fucked up American progress big time
main dirge
I'd be 90 if not for a mod that doesn't allow fun
alpine summit
The Bible also affirms a nondescript gender. Jesus specifically talks about three types of Unics. Those who chose it, those who were forced into it (via genetal mutalation). And those who's minds don't match their sex. The Bible also doesn't actually gender God. So basically trans people are valid according to Jesus 😊
main dirge
it's not even about allowing fun, it's just being nitpicky about anything
ripe phoenix
why cant you be 90?
main dirge
I change number per every avatar change and someone didn't like my previous avatar
it wasn't even in any way bad, he complained about source
and never responded to my reasoning behind why it's dumb
spice thistle
How is this digit possible even
main dirge
I guess it's some math thing idk i dont do numbers
alpine summit
Is there an ability that damages it?
spice thistle
Saber dance consumes 50
heady solstice
tough escarp
lost plinth
@spring heath are you available? need someone with master CRP 7
actually what am i saying why don't I do it
urban kite
oyasumi
fickle sage
hi
lost plinth
main dirge
spring burrow
B E D
lost plinth
i now have 8.4 million gil and still nothing to do with it
main dirge
sells for 1000 gil
spice perch
@solar basin HOw long you played?
spice perch
I see. I played Beta thru launch until my guild I was in just died off.
One person still in it. Uses it as personal storage lol
spice perch
Right. and you go into red zones and you get ganked
solar basin
Lol its all about the blackzone now
Better gathers less people cause its generally just bigger areas
Shit was fun while it lasted at least 
candid orchid
its show werid on how there is so many people and no one is using the voice chat
so
weird
spring burrow
Voice is a little unnecessary
spring heath
I hate voice chat
spring burrow
I only use it in personal servers I’m in
spring heath
Same, though barely even that
My RP server only has a voice chat for one of my users to meme with
spring burrow
Yeah its like, one group of people in our tons of servers
main dirge
i cant even talk
urban kite
im too drunk to talk tbh
main dirge
nobody ever wanted to talk with me when I went to school
urban kite
spring heath
Me, coughing after being around people who loudly denounced masks: Hm. Don't like this.
spring burrow
Oh that’s not good
spring heath
Could be paranoia, could be Fuck This Country
neon hinge
A bit of A a bit of B
It's also hot so you might have gotten a cough from the night if you have your windows open or a fan
spring heath
We have ac
spring heath
I don't do open windows at night because the house is a giant pos and the screens don't fit to the windows right and I hate bugs
neon hinge
My ACs are all broken 😄
I've accepted the
Uh
wildlife
xD
Well I haven't
But I sleep with my anti bug spray
If they near they get the fris
neon hinge
Oh, not that kind of bugs
xD
just small flies and the occassional moskitos
crawlers would make me move back to my mom's
noty
spring heath
Hate mosquitoes especially
neon hinge
They're just noisy and annoying but surprisingly tame at the hours I go to sleep
They kinda bitch at night but tame when it's daylight
Yeaaaah my schedule is bad xD
Anyways
Don't panic cuz a cough
But go check yourself if that eases you
spring heath
It's just frustrating that it's such a high possibility
In my uhhhh
What's it called
County
We're at stage 3 of 4 for prevalence
spring heath
I didn't sign up for this trip
neon hinge
Turns out the only way to avoid a pandemic is to actually close everything
Tmw China does it better
it's just sad
spring heath
I'm immunocompromised so 🙃
neon hinge
I mean I don't want to risk dying because some random bullshit virus
spice thistle
I HAVE FOUND
neon hinge
Same, but for different causes I think xD
spring heath
I mean I was a hermit before this shit
neon hinge
I'm just not that healthy up there
neon hinge
Lots of unsecurity issues and shit
spring heath
Fingers crossed
neon hinge
That's awful Mak
neon hinge
True
I'd sleep with my windows closed and with the fans on
But ngl
Opening windows is cheaper
And blows more
My house can be pretty windy if the wind comes from the seaside
Since it's all straight
It also rained two days ago so it's colder
That's the kind of summer I like XD
wary gate
After multiple recommendations I am now watching a new cartoon
Avatar: the Last Airbender
Oh gods it's about children...
This has... Potential
But it's very childish
severe river
havent watched it but heard it's quite good
hardy forge
imagine living in the US rn lul
timber crag
hardy forge
"americans are not the most intelligent" big news my dude
hardy forge
@spice thistle lol i was called into action by emu but it was 1am, YO DUDE,hydatos is at the real real end of eureka,you got to slog through aaaaaaaallllll 60 levels of eureka to even get to hydatos,plus you can only get it by upgrading the previous armor i think,so you cant just fast lvl through the zones,you have to go allllllll the way through the intended route and get yo relic,get the gear upgraded and all that,and you know the reputation eureka has already,we dont need to remind you,people are already having mental breakdowns just after the first zone(lvl20) you really dont want to be that insane to do the entire thing just for neon armor
and the gear upgrade is super gimmicky and grindy if they regular lvling wasnt enough
empty swallow
Me too I definitely read that
lost plinth
i knew that dafire could make 'eureka bad' comment better than me
timber crag
Im trying to understand what they are talking about.
It's like mike in monster inc meme
empty swallow
Oh yeah @hardy forge my FC is moving to Chaos 
I'm coming to ruin ur days
I think we're going to Ragnarok?
Something like that
lost plinth
@timber crag imagine if a game suddenly got grinding artifact power through world quests and killing world mobs, that never had it before, and it ended up being the main progression
dense palm
lost plinth
basically
main dirge
a basic ally
main dirge
not surprised, no fun dlc champs
lost plinth
nah not that shit
apparently literally everyone in the upper echelons of the community got metoo'd basically at once
main dirge
everytime I hear about smash, it's about some kind of drama
urban kite
Yeah seems like every day some new smash player turns out to be some weird creep
main dirge
I mean they like to smash
urban kite
Just a shame its with kids
main dirge
bruh
urban kite
Well thats what it is
main dirge
it iiiis what it iiiiis
lost plinth
'I've seen shields online come out slower than Nairo deleting his twitter'
main dirge
what pokemon has to do with this
spice thistle
urban kite
please dont awaken him so early
heady solstice
yes
spice thistle
Levle 3
deft vapor
spice thistle
spice thistle
Lvl 5
This grind ain nothing compared to the Timeless Isle
There is a fc doing a run here
spice thistle
hardy forge
NO MAK
PLEASE
WE ARE ALL BEGGING YOU
FOR YOUR OWN MENTAL SAFETY
STOP YOURSELF
there is a point of no return
once you get too far
you cant get out
please
lost plinth
i am not begging cause i think it'll be funny
hardy forge
emu already got stuck in it,and only got out because i constantly berated him with "i told yous"
dont be the next victim
to ignore my warnings
spring burrow
Youre starting Eureka now, when Eureka 2.0 is probably coming out in August
hardy forge
eureka bad
spring burrow
Unless its gonna be a 5.3.x update
hardy forge
yoshi p said "the next part of the resistance saga" in the 5.3
so either it's just the lead up quests
or it's the first zone
lost plinth
and dafire I didn't only get out cause of that, I got what I came for
hardy forge
🤔
deft vapor
here you folks go, enjoy.
main dirge
mudaaaa
lost plinth
yeah it is
main dirge
don't die to toad