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alpine venture
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exactly correct

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your lyrics greatly influence the output

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less so than in previous versions

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but it is there

glad valley
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can the AI chop?

charred merlin
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100% agree with this and the following post -- it's almost a Suno mini-game in my mind to hear something WILDLY unexpected from my prompting, then trying to critically assess WHY it made that. I had a silly rap song that took on a blues vibe, and then I realized it was because I said "woogie woogie woogie" as backing vocals.

9/10 songs turned out reasonably how I expected. One of them misinterpreted my request as "boogie woogie".

I bet you know which track I ended up keeping.

charred merlin
# glad valley can the AI chop?

I'm not quite sure if I understand what you mean by chop -- do you mean a specific style of sound, or do you mean to end the song as a particular point, in a DAW-type interaction to remove a specific drum sample (like we chatted about in gen-chat)

glad valley
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rapping, chopping. Eminem in Godzilla and Rap God for example

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when he raps really really fast

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like TechN9ne too

charred merlin
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I haven't tested it myself, but I read that combining-your-words-with-hyphens-makes-suno-treat-the-spacing-differently.

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Makes sense in theory, because separating words to new lines acts as a method for spacing them out, so trying to "remove" spacing by stitching them together like this could work.
Actually, I'll test it out right now & share

surreal tapir
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example: turning "pop rock" into "pop-rock" helps it distinguish it as one genre so i've noticed.

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if it's not hyphenated, you end up with a pop song, a rock song, or a pop-rock song. Like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get.

polar spade
# glad valley rapping, chopping. Eminem in Godzilla and Rap God for example

At least I've heard in some of the members songs rappid rapping. I have NOT heard any , hmmmm, what would you would assume as chopping. But keep in mind, we humans chop in order to impressively pronounce every word with a time frame. It's difficult and takes practice. With suno, there's no problem. So as suggested, write the words phonetically, with or without spaces, with or without hyphenated, and suno will simply pronounce it all.

Some members, as I have, have written phonetically in order to create an accent, along with prompting. As for rapping, between prompting for rappid , easycore, hyper and so on to style the song, write the lyrics as "chopped" possible to see if that improves the speed.

charred merlin
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Lorem Ipsum isn't nearly as funny as a rap as I would have thought.

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I feel like I just stole the Pope's airpods

glad valley
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what about how to prevent the lyric from repeating itself?

cunning mulch
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so, suno tends to switch to Italian phonetics when it encounters Latin...

glad valley
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It often loops some lyrics even though I dont specify it

surreal tapir
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thats just a generic AI problem.

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Unfortunately I don't really think there's much to be done about it, but sometimes it ends up working out quite nicely.

polar spade
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And of course search in suno for "chopped" songs. Here is one just prompted "rap" but got a faily fast speed as many words are typed in one line, which pushes suno to fit all the words into a meter. If you search "chopped" most than not I'm getting "chopped and screwed" which is a different style altogether. So keep in mind, the word "chop" now has about 7 subgenres.

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Sorry thers the rap I found.

cunning mulch
glad valley
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damn

cunning mulch
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be prepared to blow through 4K-5K credits if Sunos' going to be specially osmium-skulled

glad valley
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and as for lyric free longer moments in a song?

cunning mulch
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Bet to use something like {instrumental] tags

glad valley
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4-5k credits....but there's not even unlimited 😛

cunning mulch
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I prefer something like [Instrumental Hook] or [Extended Hook], so the solo doesn't go on for days

polar spade
cunning mulch
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trimming, inpainting... basically anything to work with songs we already have

charred merlin
# glad valley It often loops some lyrics even though I dont specify it

I notice that it tends to skip or repeat lyrics more frequently the closer you approach the character limit -- as if you're overloading how much it can think about at once.

As other noted, until we have inpainting as a feature, you need to go back before it sang the wrong lyrics, create an extension point and continue from that spot again to try to get it right 🙂

As a general rule of thumb, the more specific of a song you have envisioned in your mind's ear, the harder it'll be to get it as a "one-shot generation" through the use of complex prompting.

I have a workflow guide where I share a lot of my experimentations > #1256301881966198805 -- I've been focusing elsewhere since it got bot-heavy, but there's still some helpful tips in there 😄 Also, if you want to discuss ways to collaborate on getting your desired results, I'm open to helping out -- we both get to learn from the experience 😄

cunning mulch
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speaking of 'overloading'

charred merlin
wind panther
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I'm having an issue, not sure of someone here can help. I have almost 3000 credits but when I click on create its telling me i need at least 10 credits

glad valley
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heh, the music didn't master properly so it just hides all my lyrics under the noise

charred merlin
# glad valley and as for lyric free longer moments in a song?

For instrumental sections, you can turn on the "instrumental" toggle to try and prevent lyrics from being used 😄 You can combine the different extensions afterward -- this way you have granular control over when the lyrics start and end -- instead of trying to control it through complex prompting, like "[extended guitar intro], or "[vocals start at 30 seconds]", which might be more likely to be interpreted as lyrics since it overloads how much Suno can interpret as single metatag as.

glad valley
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so I can decide when extension starts and it will erase everything else that was there before?

cunning mulch
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it erases after that point

glad valley
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after what point?

cunning mulch
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the time point you Extend from

charred merlin
glad valley
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so I can select it

cunning mulch
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yes

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you can cut off words doing that though, as the AI will not shorten anything before the point to fit your new clip

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now, if you want something Suno MIGHT recognize as instruction... if you want a line to start at a particular place, I tend to go with [Vocals Begin Beat X]

glad valley
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let's see again

charred merlin
glad valley
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yeah ok it can't master industrial

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at all

cunning mulch
# charred merlin yes?

what if the "rigid memory" issue on Extensions is caused by it being 'overloaded' by trying to Extend from a 'Full Song', rather than a 'Part 1'?

charred merlin
cunning mulch
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that thing you couldn't find any way to reproduce

polar spade
# glad valley so I can decide when extension starts and it will erase everything else that was...

Yes. I think you got the general idea. As tiberious says.... erases anything after the time-set point you choose. Choose your point in the song you want to extend or splice onto, note that time on paper , click EXtend in the songs menu, then click create to generally find the songs lyrics up , scrolling down to seel the extend "timeclock" where you then type in the splice time where you want to now extend from and "record over" the following lyrics to that time point. It helps to remove any lyrics you don't want, in the lyric box, and of course, paste in lyrics that you DO want which should (but not always) start after that new extended point of time.

wind panther
supple jackal
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Hello

polar spade
supple jackal
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Thanks your an excellent to generate music platform that Suno

polar spade
charred merlin
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@polar spade #📚┃suno-school message I'm seeing that you and Tiberious discussed his issue with lyrics entered in the "edit lyrics" section appearing in the extensions as hallucinated lyrics.

I spent a genuine amount of time trying to help him reproduce the issue, and it always came down to "well, it works sometimes and doesn't others", so I had NOTHING to assist with or to even try to use as a foothold to explore the issue -- I can't help if I'm unable to reproduce the issue.

I'm not trying to be dismissive and insinutate that there's nothing to be discussed, but I genuinely have no idea how to reapproach the matter.

If you're able to shed light on any testing methods that can cause the words entered in "edit lyrics" to be spat into the ensuing extensions (without being included in the extension-lyrics, specifically only edited lyrics in the origin section) -- I sincerely accept any advice.

I can tell Tiberious cares about this issue, and I genuinely have no idea how to help him, as any attempt to find a common ground to base experimentation from has failed.

the "kekekeke, harber says it never happens" just demotivates me from putting anymore heartfelt effort into it, but I don't want to leave a genuine inquiry on the table.

supple jackal
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İ haber a few queetions , İ would be happy if you Could help me

cunning mulch
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you came back and told me you couldn't find any method to make it happen all the time

glad valley
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let's see now

wind panther
supple jackal
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Can we load Any instrument sound into Suno and produce a track on it ? İf yes, how?

cunning mulch
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if it wasn't for the daily-50 lifeline, I probably would be back on Basic by now

charred merlin
# cunning mulch And yes, it *is* important to me... that bug damn near made me **cancel my subsc...

I recognize that you're very close to the issue, it might be that complicates trying to approach the matter objectively.

Every bit of "evidence" you've shown has been a 4-comment reddit thread, or using someone else's anecdote.

It's not that I don't WANT to help, dude.

I tried to explain carefully how best I work, and if we're not able to collaborate productively, it doesn't mean that I don't care about your issue -- it's just not productive for us to argue over how we think the tests should be conducted.

glad valley
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I can link songs in here right?

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To get technical feedback

charred merlin
glad valley
polar spade
glad valley
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If I iextend it I think I can have it keep building tempo until it reaches 160 bpm

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It's going for cyberpunk/industrial/trance feel

safe hazel
cunning mulch
charred merlin
supple jackal
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@safe hazel thanks , how ?

safe hazel
subtle python
supple jackal
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@safe hazel ok thanks

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And more 1 question

charred merlin
safe hazel
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(there is a 60 second maxiumum to uploads though)

subtle python
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I've had some really cool songs that implemented the uploaded sound as part of the beat.

charred merlin
leaden lark
glad valley
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but regarding the prompting etc?

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it's only got about 1 minutes 10 seconds of actual song

supple jackal
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@safe hazel When we want to EXTEND after the music iş created ,the resulting alternative 7-8 seconds, why? When you say EXTEND , shouldn't it take longer to re-do the Song? Or is this a credit/ paid job EXTEND future?

polar spade
subtle python
# charred merlin Can't say I'm familiar with this -- is the suggestion that "sound art" in the st...

Here's one of my favourite examples of Audio Upload being implemented in the beat. https://youtu.be/1IjDGHiW2qA

YouTube
Mystery Pony Fiction
Kool-Aid Man Song

Genre: Oh Yeah! sound art.

[Cymbol Crash]
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[Interlude]

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OH YEAH!
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[Interlude]

[Cymbol Crash]
OH YEAH!
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[Interlude]

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▶ Play video
glad valley
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I am curious how well I do on lyrics that I'm only giving myself 10 minutes to write from nothing

charred merlin
safe hazel
charred merlin
polar spade
supple jackal
subtle python
supple jackal
glad valley
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any mention of Kool Aid will only remind me of BMTH

polar spade
# glad valley I am curious how well I do on lyrics that I'm only giving myself 10 minutes to w...

If every song is only 10 minutes to write, yea, maybe the music is too entrancing to critically see your lyrics. But hey, some great songs take 10 minutes, or 10 days, others 10 months to write the first draft. So who knows.

Generally, we see our newborns as perfect, but hang out with then awhile until they are teens and we find lots of problems we knew we should have been attentive to earlier on.

Assume your first drafts and couple of rewrites are not your final song. Or rather, always write three versions of your same song and I'll guarantee you'll find one is better than the other two.

safe hazel
glad valley
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I spend long on my meaningful lyrics

cunning mulch
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it was a personal challenge

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I get it, for sure. Got one of those in a text file myself

glad valley
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I see nothing about the lyrics as perfect, they're random rhyme schemed, nothing else

supple jackal
cunning mulch
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Up 'til now, I'd been starting from a base given to me by a GPT response, and punching-up lyrics... now I want to try writing my own from scratch

glad valley
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My most important lyrics will never ever touch Suno cause I'll sing them myself into samples, loops, melodics etc

glad valley
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or cathartic, depending on the lyrics

cunning mulch
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yeah, I'm with you on that. My best bangers aren't Public here. I take 'em to HonkFM

polar spade
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Suno definitely helps.

glad valley
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all Suno does for me is samples, loops and rhythmic inspiration

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In the end I want to sing my real lyrics myself

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but Suno will def help me get stems

polar spade
supple jackal
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@safe hazel Can İ REMİX mu finished track on Suno ?

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@polar spade @safe hazel Can İ REMİX mu finished track on Suno ?

cunning mulch
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nope

polar spade
polar spade
glad valley
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Cakewalk is a free DAW in it's legacy form

polar spade
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I think I still have my cakewalk CD somewhere.

glad valley
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The lyrics while I haven't spent that much time on them, are close to my life

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the second version is better though, the 2 minute one

supple jackal
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@polar spade thnx...How can I describe the sound effects and instrument sounds I want to Suno? For example, if I say apply a sound effect to the 20th second, will Suno do this?

safe hazel
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you can't do that

glad valley
# supple jackal <@465342107905818624> thnx...How can I describe the sound effects and instrument...

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11lSxVARXaHOH_9FL0iYcdlDXAR4xll27goerrG0Yhiw/edit

Google Docs
PROMPTS FOR AI DANCE MUSIC | 🙏mista.lewys

PROMPTS FOR AI DANCE MUSIC @mista.lewys @normalgoodz / Lewys C. G. Evans Hello and welcome! Thanks for opening this ebook and your mind to the future of music creation using text. With this book and a creative spirit, let your imaginations come alive with artistic and specific prompting ...

safe hazel
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you can't dictate an exact time that you want something to occur

glad valley
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you can do [Verse, SFX] I guess?

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I mean I can specify to do something in a metaprompt

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@polar spade what you think of the second version ?

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the only one I published

polar spade
# supple jackal <@465342107905818624> thnx...How can I describe the sound effects and instrument...

It is not done in 1 step, to have a sound or style or instrument drop in at a certain point.

  1. You can write lyrics and include metatags, prompts in brackets which can nudge suno to include something at that point such as

May had a little lamb
It's fleece was white as snow
[Laughter]
[Solo: cello]
And everywhere that Mary went
The lamb was sure to go

Prompts in that manner could have it laugh and play a cello solo in the middle. It is not guaranteed, but has been helpful.

subtle python
glad valley
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it's all just links from the wiki

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I can't promise they will work

supple jackal
subtle python
cunning mulch
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what would [Gunfight] do, by chance?

glad valley
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I would just add them in the DAW with a bullet stack

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@polar spade I mean if the lyrics are shit I would prefer to hear that ;D

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gotta do an extension on it and work on some shifting into heavy metal

polar spade
cunning mulch
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or what about [shootout]?

polar spade
glad valley
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[Bullet Stack Crash+Kick+Percussive bass} maybe 😛

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I dunno

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time to see if I can do a rap song without having it end after 30 seconds cause of impatient ai

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rap doesn't do that well with following regular verse, chorus structure 😛

naive echo
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How to get correct "pronounciation" of specific word in my language? I am trying to generate indonesian christian song which contains "Allah" (meaning:God), but SUNO use the majority moslem friend pronounciation in arabic "Auloh" instead of how it should be. Please help.

cunning mulch
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Is there a synonym somewhere?

glad valley
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AllAah maybe

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or well maybe not

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maybe it says "all" then

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but Aa is a drawn out A and A is a quick, when phonetically written

cunning mulch
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in english, sure

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but what about Indonesian?

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was wondering if there was a synonym that was more specific to the Christian God

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'cause english uses both, with differing subtexts (of course, english is the language that follows other tongues down dark alleyways, mugs them for their grammar and rifles through their pockets for spare vocabulary)

glad valley
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Well does the LLM recognize indonesian?

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@polar spade @cunning mulch this one and the other one I linked earlier are when I work on lyrics more than 10 minutes 😛

cunning mulch
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nice

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I'm gonna see just how god-awful my own original writing skills are

glad valley
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Thoughts on it though?

cunning mulch
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oh, I haven't listened yet

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and I wouldn't be qualified to be able to tell if you hit your tempo :/

glad valley
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Is there any way at all to cut a song off after a certain amount of time? Cause it goes quiet with 30 seconds left

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well the qualification is if the rap sounds right enough with the electronic

cunning mulch
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you can Extend in v3 with just [End] in all the prompt fields. That will, however, mark the 'Whole Song' as being v3

glad valley
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so it does end

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bah

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I can't past the lyrics

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[Rap Verse]
Tomorrow is a revision of the decisions
Envisioned from a position of 20/20 vision
Perfect hindsight of a regression
From yesterdays obsession
Never learn my lesson
This is my confession
I forgot to pay attention
To my own increasing aggression

[Beat Drop, Breakdown]

[Rap Verse]
To trap the monster from my past
Disasters left to last
From every darkest recipe
For all the misery
The victory was all a trickery
To fool me into complacency
For the mentality that destroyed my vitality

[Rap Verse]
Medicated disintegration
My obsession, no hesitation
Always resignation
Autopilot and casual obsession
Have you learned your f******g lesson?

[Interlude, Rising Tempo]

[Rap Bridge]
I lie still and wonder why I left inside
Wire me, desire me
Catch me, release me and send me
The frozen bullet and the gun

[Rap Verse]
System raging
I'm engaging with the aging
Of my sweet sweet life
Desperate for time
Consider me a wasted opportunity
Just let me be cause I foresee
That life without me will be free

[Ending] [Refrain]

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there

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it has ending and refrain

cunning mulch
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yes, but if you Extend from where the silence begins, v3 should cut it off with a 1-second track

glad valley
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Oh I see

cunning mulch
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but, when you do Get Whole Song from that final Extension, it will be tagged as done in v3

glad valley
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Doesn't matter to me

cunning mulch
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fair

glad valley
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I hope my rhyme scheme was good enough 😛

cunning mulch
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I think I'm gonna have to throw myself into the world of mastering soon too

glad valley
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I don't get technical on bars or you know scholarly and stuff like some

cunning mulch
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fair

glad valley
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so I have no idea if I hit the syllable count

cunning mulch
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I know some music theory, from playing wround with MIDIs and trackers

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well, you should be able to count syllables

glad valley
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eh I cba to learn music theory for producing or where I will later learn to play guitar,

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I can start counting syllables but I don't structure my whole songs lyrics based on them, actively

cunning mulch
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that's fine

glad valley
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I go with my gut feeling on what "feels" right

cunning mulch
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most don't

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but you do want a somewhat tight range on line syllable counts

glad valley
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Eh....I mean Eminem never did count it he just went with pronouncing words with vowel bends

cunning mulch
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yes

glad valley
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and on beats

cunning mulch
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but Suno is based on a whole shit-ton of rules

glad valley
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it is but it doesn't seem to follow half of them

cunning mulch
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so, if you decide you absolutely have to have a line that's much shorter in count, you have to be prepared to guide Suno into some type of pattern you want

glad valley
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The problem I hit with this song is that the tempo is right but the electronic instrumental is wrong.

cunning mulch
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wrong how?

glad valley
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It's wrong

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Just wrong

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I didn't want that simple techno flow

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but I did want the vocalist speed

cunning mulch
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I'm more interested in figuring things like how many bars Suno generally dedicates to lyrics per line

glad valley
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You need to align it with the correct bpm

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it has less bars too

cunning mulch
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like, if I feed it a line of 9-16 syllables, is it going to use 3-4 measures at 4/X (1-2 at 8/X), or what?

glad valley
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I dunno, I just go with the flow and it seems to work out

cunning mulch
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well, most music today is based on 4s

glad valley
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but maybe I'm that special kind of artist that's so messed up in the head, so mentally screwed up that I can do that intuitively while with the rest of my life...I act like the kind of guy to jug gasoline and eat poison ivy

cunning mulch
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(4 lines per verse, 4/4 time signature, etc.)

glad valley
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Eh I listen to a lot of music, where rap is more fused with other genres and they don't follow it much

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there's also the 3/4 and 6/8

cunning mulch
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...you can see why it wasn't considered 'real music' for some time

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yes, there's those waltz-like signatures

glad valley
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they come with breaks where you pause mid-word

cunning mulch
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but those odd-balls are the exception for a reason

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and are generally used best as a spice to a more standard 4-base

glad valley
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Push the trigger while I'm rigg-ing
The sin-gle forgotten sinn-er while
Swim-ing in the deep-er sin eater
Part where I'm reach-ing the pieces

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etc etc

cunning mulch
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yeah

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but if it's over-used...

glad valley
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bit I just went intuitively there, I have no idea how to rap

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I just thought it sounded right

cunning mulch
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like, go ahead... try rapping in 11/8

glad valley
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Takes time to get into the speed for English for me. I can speak really really really really fast in Swedish

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but not English

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so rhyme schemes etc will also take a bit to get used to if I want to do them

cunning mulch
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obviously

glad valley
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but I prefer metal, grindcore, deathcore, hyperpop, futurepop, synthwave, cyberpunk, rock, glitchcore etc

cunning mulch
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unless you're native-fluent, you're gonna take longer in a second language

glad valley
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eh not for singing though

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I can speak English without an accent just fine

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but rapping I'm not used to at all

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I never did it in my life before

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wrote my first "rap lyrics" 3 weeks ago, then barely anything else

cunning mulch
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Swedish contains the entire English phonemic library?

glad valley
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Not at all

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I'm just accent free for some reason

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I can't explain it

cunning mulch
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I mean, you can be exceptionally-gifted in reproducing foreign phonetics

glad valley
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I can do Welsh, English, Scottish, Londoner, Indian, American, Southern American etc but not New Zealand, Australia or South Africa

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I mean Indian accent, notl anguage

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I can't do the language at all

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and obviously I'm not gonna go around doing an Indian accent with people who don't know me or they will cry racist ^^

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and I don't want to offend or upset people with no reason

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I find it harder to do a Swedish accent than to not do it, my childhood friend is the same way. It could be because we've spoken English since we were 9

cunning mulch
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that would do it

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higher neural plasticity in childhood means easier language acquisition and retention

glad valley
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that doesnt explain the other accents but I could just be ok at doing them and that's it

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thanks to my medicine I still have high plasticity

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(Modafinil)

cunning mulch
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eh... some is likely just genetic

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anyway, we're getting way off-topic

glad valley
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Yes but modafinil increases neuroglial activity and plasticity by a lot and yes we're off topic, way off

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but anyway...If I'm gonna rap I will probably do that half-singing style of rap

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I think that might work better with metalcore etc, when I can't reproduce what the AI voice does

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speaking of which I need to generate something new...Give me a challenge @cunning mulch

cunning mulch
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don't look at me

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I wouldn't know how to challenge you

glad valley
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try something technically difficult that is perfect for this channel

cunning mulch
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...fine. you want an experiment challenge?

glad valley
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yes

cunning mulch
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some kind of technical challenge

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Do you have any songs that require it be linear?

glad valley
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what do you mean?

cunning mulch
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any songs where the verses might have a clear narrative structure to them

glad valley
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so no chorus?

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cause a hook would ruin the story of a linear thing

cunning mulch
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maybe not quite no chorus

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but where repeating earlier verse content would break the thing

glad valley
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but you usually wouldn't repeat a verse

cunning mulch
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3.5 is notorious for wanting to try and repeat lyrical content way early, which can be infuriating if you have plenty of lyrics left to have processed

glad valley
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a chorus is repeated cause it's the hook

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oh yes 3.5 is annoying like that

cunning mulch
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I haven't had a chance to test, but would something like 'narrative structure' in the style prompt tell it "hey, keep it straight"

last iris
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I have songs popping up in my library that I didn’t create using my credits 😓

cunning mulch
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are there credits missing?

glad valley
cunning mulch
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but look at something like Mississippi Squirrel Revival... that might be spoken verses, but tell me how you can repeat verse lines in that outside of original context and have it work

glad valley
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then added instructions and it followed them

cunning mulch
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I need to go in and see what kind of rhythm control I can get with lyrics using punctuation

glad valley
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A lot more

cunning mulch
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how much?

glad valley
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Well it knows when to stop instead of continuing a sentence

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if it continues it might become too long and miss the tempo

cunning mulch
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right, but I'm talking about general rest note length for each symbol

glad valley
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Also, the simpler your instructions

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the better it will follow it

cunning mulch
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yeah

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I noticed that. Keep 'em short and high-signal

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gives you more room for lyrics too

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see, I'm at that mid-point where I have an idea what I want, but not the verbiage to express it the way Suno wants

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but at the same time, there is a "surprise me" factor I want Suno to tap into

glad valley
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well I started Suno today and this is like the 4th song

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so it's not that complex

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just write simple instructions and try to keep the cadence going

cunning mulch
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then maybe I really don't know WTF I'm doing

glad valley
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I dont know either

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I'm probably getting lucky

cunning mulch
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but I literally dumped over 4K credits into this damned song...

glad valley
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Dude....

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That means you should have stopped long long ago and waited a few days and then listened again and tried to hear what was missing

tawny canyon
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home page looking good on firefox now, glad it was fixed so quickly

charred merlin
# glad valley I'm probably getting lucky

Just keep aware of your own cognitive biases, and try to learn something from each generation -- if you make small enough adjustments you'll have an easier time telling what worked and what didn't. 💪

Even if you try something and it doesn't work out the way you want -- it's only a "wasted generation" if you're framing it as "Suno not listening to you", requiring you to "know the right words to use". It's a literally a new form of instrument, and it sounds like you're making good steps familiarizing yourself with it.

I genuinely believe the more you start to grok Suno, the more you realize how hard it is to give an exact answer to "how do I make suno do XYZ", and you try to reframe how you try to coax sounds out it.

glad valley
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sure, I'm more concerned about getting the instruments sampled out though

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but if I have the right tempo going it will work

cunning mulch
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well, I ran into suno being completely unwilling to not repeat lines 7 and 8 of the first Verse before the first chorus

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no matter what types of adjustments I tried to make

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so, call it about 1K on just that alone

glad valley
cunning mulch
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probably another 1K on trying to get an Extension to proceed directly to the chorus (which it finally did, but in 'v1', it caused an audio hiccup because I cut too early... yet otherwise, even the extensions would start repeating)

charred merlin
glad valley
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but then why...reply to me?

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I get confused 😛

charred merlin
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You're right, I'm not part of this conversation and I was trying to offer supportive agreeing statements of encouragement, but it might not have been my place to do so.

glad valley
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that wasnt what I meant

charred merlin
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🍻 💙

cunning mulch
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and then, finally, later on, I probably dropped another couple hundred credits while being affected by a bug that caused suno to flat-out ignore any lyrics tweaks in the Input field

glad valley
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I meant that @cunning mulch is the one I'm trying to help out from my newbie perspective, so I didn't know why you were advicing me @charred merlin

cunning mulch
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at least that last problem comes with a work-around

glad valley
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I thought you had the wrong person

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That's it

cunning mulch
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he doesn't seem to like me much for some reason

glad valley
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Not ungrateful and not telling you not to help 😛

charred merlin
glad valley
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ah I love hypercore, glitchcore etc so much

charred merlin
#

It was generalized advice for any new user -- I was adding a section at the end about how you seemed like you were on the right track, despite how early into your experience you were.

I genuinely feel like there's a big degree of luck in the process, but the fact that you're starting small is a GREAT way to build a "english-to-suno mental dictionary".

cunning mulch
#

well, when you twice repeat a falsehood, that's going to be understandable to think

glad valley
cunning mulch
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I never said that you said 'it doesn't happen', I said that you said you couldn't reproduce it

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but that conversation led me to question whether the test itself was flawed

glad valley
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well @cunning mulch may I try to make your song with one or two shots if you have the lyrics and if youcan explain to me what you want out of it?

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I'll delete it after I DL it for you

cunning mulch
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and that's why I'm now exploring the possibility it's linked to using combined songs as a base, rather than a fresh-start 'Part 1'

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since that's been a common factor in everyone who's been bitten by that bug

charred merlin
# cunning mulch he doesn't seem to like me much for some reason

I mentioned it earlier, I spent a lot of my own personal free time trying to help you.

When we weren't able to understand each other, you made a comment that I considered pretty rude and disrespectful of my efforts, and seemed to place the fault of the misunderstanding solely on me.

I don't dislike you, or I wouldn't respond, but it seems that we DO have communication issues. I apologize if you feel like I've been rude to you, I simply tried to express that I'm not sure that we tackle problems in the same way.

cunning mulch
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well, I think sometimes your methodology has flaws

charred merlin
charred merlin
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That's what forces science forward! If you disagree with my methods, you devise your own! 😄

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The great thing about science is that it happens regardless if people agree with eachothers methods or not -- the only caveat is that unless someone else is able to get the same results (peer review), it's more of a curiosity than anything that stands on its own.

cunning mulch
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well, tell you what... if I can experiment on this kind of stuff not on my own dime, I'd be happy to start working on it

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but I really don't feel like dropping $40-50 a month to be a bug tester

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that's kinda the reverse of that whole relationship there

charred merlin
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100%, I don't expect you to do this.

Like I said from the beginning, I'm willing to spend my own credits for experimental purposes, but that doesn't mean that I spend my credits without a proper testing methodology.

glad valley
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dude I offered to give it a go or two if you gave me lyrics + explained what you wanted out of it

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that would be on my dime

cunning mulch
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it's fine, man. My lyrics are a bit controversial

charred merlin
#

As it turns out, some people who are actively helpful to the community are given credits for testing purposes 👀 The expectation isn't that people "waste credits", but try develop your own understanding , or to interact with helpful community members & the staff-elected guides (the people who the staff feel are helpful)

glad valley
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dude I sing about my past as a drug addict and criminal

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wanna get controversial? 😛

cunning mulch
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today, that's not controversial

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that's pretty much 95% of rap artists

glad valley
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sure but I'm just really f'd in the head, in all kinds of ways...I even have lyrics where I mention enjoying it and wanting to do it again

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and rap artists more or less glorify drugs

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I talk about them like a noose

cunning mulch
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and worse, those use them as bragging rights

glad valley
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a very lovely noose

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and thats what makes it so dangerous cause you're perfectly happy to hang yourself from it

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only realizing you're dying when it's too late

cunning mulch
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a noose tied from a velvet rope

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probably even used a line like that, I'd bet

glad valley
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no a noose made of hope and joy
to escape with another thorn through my neck
To pierce my throat a lovely touch
A gentle knife it cuts
Cuts my veins and bleed me dry with all the misery inside.🎶

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or something

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if I had to make something up on the fly

cunning mulch
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but the same general idea

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the velvet feels so good around your neck, right up until the drop

glad valley
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it feels good after the drop, it's not until you're suffocating that you realize you f'd up

cunning mulch
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one thing I know I'm somewhat decent at is having a good vocabulary

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ah

glad valley
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I will never ever even hint at the suggestion someone take drugs. It's a terrible terrible decision

cunning mulch
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eh... I mean, I'm a cannabis user

glad valley
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bbut I'm also gonna be honest about it

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cannabis is nothing compared to hard drugs

cunning mulch
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I keep it there though

glad valley
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I was on everything, a bit here and there ^^

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not anymore though

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clean now

cunning mulch
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...yes, the Schedule I, no-medical-use, cannabis vs. the Schedule III, available-at-your-local-pharmacy opiods...

glad valley
#

but once again if you would like me to try and get your song working, I'm willing to use one or two shots of my credits

cunning mulch
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it's fine. I think I'm gonna try to use v1 as a way to learn mastering

glad valley
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Oxycodone, fentanyl, methadone, morphine, amphetamine, cocaine, opium etc....All very very bad choices

cunning mulch
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fentanyl for sure

glad valley
#

if you wanna learn mastering, try to stem separate them entirely

cunning mulch
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that's part of the process I need to learn

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literally starting from 0 on that front

glad valley
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I think FL Studio producer edition comes with a plugin for stem separation

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so you can take any song and it will pick out drums, guitar, bass, vocals, percussions, synth

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and separate them

cunning mulch
#

but I know I want to split stems, record my glass-shattering take on the vocals, and then get them AI-replaced

glad valley
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I don't see how you will get your voice replaced by ai voice in suno

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maybe on elevenlabs

cunning mulch
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correct

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I'm not looking at suno for any of that

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I see suno as... kind of a 'jam band' in a black box. You pass them your lyrics, they bounce ideas around and come back with a take

glad valley
#

Suno is great for rhythm, cadence, guitar riffs and such to create 808s

cunning mulch
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If you get something you like, you can use Extends to work on it and have them take it from a specific spot

glad valley
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if I get something I really like, I'm cutting it up and using the samples

cunning mulch
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..but really, I'd want the ability to say "Hey, that was great. I've punched up lyrics a bit. Let's do that again with the new ones, and maybe work in an intro"

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I hated the idea of throwing out a banger to have to start from scratch

glad valley
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I guess we have different thoughts about generative AI

cunning mulch
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we do

glad valley
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I don't consider anything the generative AI does as being my creation as if I should be proud of it. The only thing I will be proud of are lyrics

cunning mulch
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my goal is to produce full songs with it, and then master them

glad valley
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but if I take the samples and such and use them to create 808s and synth samples

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that's different

cunning mulch
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but for most songs, lyrics are the biggest part

glad valley
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I'm lucky to be a great writer, for lyrics, poems, fiction, stories etc. Not so much non-fiction

cunning mulch
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at least the ones I enjoy the most

glad valley
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or non lyrics

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but generative AI stuff, I guess I'm used to how it's not really me doing it. I mean I created models for stable diffusion

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and even after making the models, I was still like "meh it's not me making it, not really"

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but that's me

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I'm very harsh on myself

cunning mulch
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as am I

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I can't see how people put out so many songs in just a few days, unless they're just accepting what comes out

chrome scarab
glad valley
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but it's about how you use it

frank thorn
glad valley
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just playing full samples and loops and doing nothing with it at all is cheap

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but taking it and manipulating it to fit you and using it to make your song, awesome

cunning mulch
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see, my previous 'creation' experience was with tracking. I liked making covers of older gaming music in the format

glad valley
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I'm waiting to take acoustic guitar lessons soon. All I want to learn is the basics which is technique, best way to hold the guitar, muscle memory and reading tabs

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after that I can learn the rest on my own

cunning mulch
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so, i suppose I was working more in transcription

glad valley
#

instead of making covers, make reimaginings

chrome scarab
glad valley
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If you want an example of what reimagining something is. Check Falling in Reverse - Last Resort

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their take on Last Resort is hauntingly beautiful

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instead of Papa Roach's angst

chrome scarab
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Gotcha

glad valley
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(also Jacobi approached FIR about reimagining it and he loves it. It made him break down and cry)

cunning mulch
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for me, it was about porting skill. How well could I take the results of what was programmed into a pulse generator, and replicate it in a vastly different environment

glad valley
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you gotta be ready for their Last Resort being very VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY different and rather than angst it's about desperate cry for help, the haunting loneliness and sadness

chrome scarab
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Sure. I like beautiful things

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Reimagings is cool because it adds an element of artistry in the very act of making it

glad valley
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yep

cunning mulch
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so, with Suno, the skill I'm trying to flex is AI herding

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and then, maybe music production, since I'd be mastering

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I'm more tech-minded than creative

maiden quail
#

/chirp

flint havenBOT
#
The /chirp command is no longer working

Chirp is retired, and no longer on discord. You can make music now on our website: https://suno.com

glad valley
#

and if you want to see the sharp contrast to Radke's range, just check his other songs like Carry On, Losing My Life, Losing My Mind, Drugs, Zombie, Voices In My Head, Popular Monster, Watch The World Burn, Ronald, All My Life, I'm A Vampire (Reimagined), The Drug In Me Is You (Reimagined)

cunning mulch
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or, better stated, my creativity is expressed more in revising and technical areas, than in others

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basically, I tend to play best in other peoples' sandboxes

glad valley
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I mean it goes from Synthwave to Futurepop to Synthrock to Metal, to Nu-Metal, to Rap Metalcore to Deathcore to Country to Ballad, to Piano, to Orchestral

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if that's not range I dunno what is :p

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but yeah "Ronald" is heavy stuff

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I relate much more to Bring Me The Horizon lyrics though

cunning mulch
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but as far as music goes... I'm in no way mainstream

glad valley
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@chrome scarab did you manage to catch their Last Resort?

chrome scarab
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Listening right now

glad valley
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I don't care about mainstream or not mainstream, if it's good, it's good

cunning mulch
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the bulk of my phone's MP3s are of gaming soundtracks

glad valley
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stopping liking a band cause they get famous is a bit snobbish imo

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not saying thats what you did

oak jungle
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hello, what should i do if i want to change one sentence in the middle of a song?

cunning mulch
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as far as the rest... parodies now probably outweigh 'mainstream' songs

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either toss it out or wait for inpainting

glad valley
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@oak jungle You can extend it starting from the middle

cunning mulch
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there's no wy to fix something in the middle of something you like while keeping the rest

oak jungle
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😮

cunning mulch
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you'll lose what you had up until the point you re-worked from :/

glad valley
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I'm gonna get some vocal coaching from a eurovision participant. She represented Iceland one year

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but now she lives in Sweden

charred merlin
# oak jungle 😮

#1270928841614823546 message video tutorial on how to extend from an earlier segment ❤️

Extension is not a destructive process, and will leave your songs in tact. It only creates a stitched version if you "get whole song", but again, this leaves the originals in tact, allowing you to make as many adjustments you'd like to find the best extension point.

glad valley
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she's also got CVT certified training from CVT academy in Copenhagen

cunning mulch
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it's frustrating, but I got a couple songs like that that I'm eagerly awaiting inpainting for

glad valley
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Like I said, just do extend from the middle

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then maybe adding in the audio with the last part that you lost

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so it can try to lead up to that

cunning mulch
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right. The way he stated it sounded like he likes the rest of it, except the line in the middle... the unfortunate reality is that in order to change said line, it'll be all new after that new line

oak jungle
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yes that's what i want,

glad valley
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then use extend

oak jungle
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i want to keep everything, and edit one lyric

glad valley
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oh

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then nevermind you can't

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or you can copy the song, extend it for one lyric and then use a DAW

charred merlin
# oak jungle yes that's what i want,

Not currently available with the tools available -- you can edit it externally SUPER easily, but we're giving you tools on how to edit it within Suno.

glad valley
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and cut and paste

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and post it on soundcloud

cunning mulch
#

inpainting confirmed?

glad valley
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hmmm

charred merlin
# cunning mulch inpainting confirmed?

Not even available for alpha testers, as there's literally no news on the new model. But the idea of inpainting was being discussed even before I was here.

cunning mulch
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oh. your wording sounded like it was close

charred merlin
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So it's in the pipeline, but not worth putting off learning effective use of current tools.

glad valley
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I love BMTH latest album

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so good

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amEN and Kool Aid being the hardest songs

cunning mulch
#

which means that he also needs to be made aware of the downsides of said current tools

charred merlin
#

Yeah, it would be GREAT to change just a very specific section, but I find the best success by "locking in" earlier sections and building off those -- if you REALLY like a piece from a later section, there's ways to save it, with DAWs and creative song production methods.

However, after making massive external changes , the songs can't live on suno.com unless they're 6-60s for reupload, so my "official songs" live elsewhere, and my "fun stuff" stays on Suno

cunning mulch
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re-generating from a certain point will wind up causing the song to change

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and there's just no way around that at present in Suno itself

glad valley
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yeh, if you cant afford a DAW just get Cakewalk Legacy by Bandlabs

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it's free and very versatile

cunning mulch
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yeah. That might be my best bet

#

can it extract stems?

glad valley
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no I don't think so

oak jungle
#

ok i'll try i'm a real newb in this things ^^ i'm just making a funny song for a friend who has cancer, the song is about her and me 🙂 but wait just to make sure, i'll try to explain better: i have a song with 2 voices, first voice sings the whole song, the second voice, only says one sentence, then the first voice sings again, and i want to change the lyrics from that second voice

charred merlin
glad valley
#

but you could always buy FL Studio Producer Edition

charred merlin
glad valley
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well CakeWalk being free

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I guess that works then 😛

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get cakewalk and use splitter

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free DAW, got plugins for other stuff too

cunning mulch
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well, I was thinking finer extractions

glad valley
#

if you want that you gotta pay

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or become a pirate

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Im not gonna help you pirate stuff

cunning mulch
#

I'll keep it real. I'm not looking for total professional level

glad valley
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especially not when FL Studio Producer Edition is like 200 dollars and on black friday is down at like 100-140

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and that means lifetime updates

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every new numbered version free

cunning mulch
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I just want to get to not "obviously AI"

glad valley
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then you gptta pay a little dude

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FL Studio is the cheapest lifetime update DAW there is

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Studio One is second one

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BitWig third

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but all DAWs can do the same damn thing they just have different workflows

cunning mulch
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so, as long as I can clean up the sound, I don't care if I'm working with a combined instrumental, or individual instrument tracks

glad valley
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then get cakewalk, it's free and you can do anything any other DAW can do assuming you have the plugins

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cakewalk legacy that is

cunning mulch
#

Suno's splitter is... I have one 'vocal' track that contains a random guitar note in it

glad valley
#

there

cunning mulch
#

and the less said about trying to mix the vocal back in with the instrumental in Wavosaur...

glad valley
#

god damn it woody, don't get a broner

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there's a few other free ones but cakewalk is probably the best free one

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FL Studio is probably the best value one

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logic pro is MacOS only

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pro tools is a fortune

cunning mulch
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I'm leaning towards Cakewalk

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in my budget and probably good enough to do what I need to with it

glad valley
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yeah just don't complain if it has outdated plugins or something

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since it's free

cunning mulch
#

outdated how?

glad valley
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like in not the latest tech

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if you want the latest tech, you pay

cunning mulch
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or find some site online that lets you do it

glad valley
#

unless you talk about piracy, there isn't one

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I'm trying to decide between FL Studio and Studio One for my DAW

cunning mulch
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I found a couple that talked about splitting stems and seemed to do it well enough

glad valley
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I mean sure there's cubase but along with Pro Tools that's the most expensive

cunning mulch
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but I was talking other tools to help you learn about a given track

glad valley
#

I don't think you'll find something free that'syou know, better than DAWs'

cunning mulch
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fair

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but if I can get something to use to work with in a DAW...

glad valley
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yeah won't happen, unless it costs money or you pay a subscription for access to VSTs

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etc

cunning mulch
glad valley
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you realize you can click "separate stems" on Suno right?

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and it will split vocals from instrumentals

cunning mulch
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yes

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Suno's splitter is... I have one 'vocal' track that contains a random guitar note in it

glad valley
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and you know cakewalk comes with a splitter

cunning mulch
#

I'm looking at the chord analyzer

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was for trying to get Suno to come up with something close to what I had in v1

glad valley
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chord analyzer? you mean key?

cunning mulch
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I uploaded my 'completed' version of the song:
"(C, Em, D, B, E, Bm)

are the main chords of this song.
Explore the chords of the song in real-time,[...]"

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and there's a display at the bottom where you can play it back, and it shows the chords, and for how many beats

glad valley
#

you can also just move the chord too if you want to

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every DAW has BPM, metronomes, chord selections etc

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most DAWs have key finder and chord finders

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brb

glad valley
#

which features a lot of very expensive plugins, vsti's, samplers etc for 6 bucks a month

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if you can wait until Black Friday to buy a DAW though, FL Studio tends to go on sale then

oak jungle
glad valley
#

I'm trying hard to decide between FL Studio, Studio One and BitWig

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@oak jungle , like I said, you can take one version and extend it for one change and then have the other wav downloaded int its raw form and just paste the change into it

leaden lark
glad valley
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and upload to soundcloud

glad valley
#

I can't, not even close. For me it's likely Studio One 6 or FL Studio Producers

cunning mulch
#

over here, we're trying to keep it to a far more modest budget

leaden lark
glad valley
#

Studio One 6 Hybrid+ sub is great

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yeah fl studio all plugins edition is still too much

charred merlin
glad valley
#

it also doesn't technically feature all plugins since new ones show up on cloud dont they? Or maybe it updates with them

charred merlin
#

@oak jungle the project management triangle helps in decisions like this.

If none of the sides appeal to you, you can go hunting for the unicorns that exist in the tiny triangle in the center

project_management_triangle.png
leaden lark
glad valley
leaden lark
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But the rest of on the fl cloud sub

glad valley
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Studio One is a workflow I need to check out cause the only thing separating DAWs is the workflow

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and included plugins of course

#

but other than that, it's workflow

cunning mulch
#

anyway, harber, about that whole 'credits for testing' bit... I wouldn't mind, if it's simple as getting reimbursed for the credits used in obvious testing

charred merlin
cunning mulch
#

right

#

I just can't dump 2K credits into nothing but testing

charred merlin
oak jungle
glad valley
glad valley
charred merlin
# oak jungle sorry i don't think i understand :x isn't that what i just did? i clicked extend...

You asked for a "super easy" method, and I'm trying to figure out which side of the project management triangle you're favouring.

If you want "super easy" and "high quality", it will cost money, like using external tools, or getting the help of an audio engineer

If you want "super easy and fast", use the suggestions I'm giving.

If you want super easy, fast, and low cost / free, you need to hunt for unicorns (like bandlab, they're a unicorn in my mind, but not for this specific usecase)

glad valley
#

simply cut the part out that you changed and paste it into the full song

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or get cakewalk ;P

leaden lark
#

Why I like fl is one time purchase and free updates and it’s just how I got used to the workflow (even though my stuff is terrible in comparison to sunos)

oak jungle
#

oh ok sorry guys i have no clue what a daw is haha

charred merlin
leaden lark
glad valley
#

workstation* 😛

#

studio one hybrid+ is great for its sub with plugins, vst's, vsti and yearly perpetual licenses at the last update you get on your yearly sub

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if you like its workflow better

charred merlin
# cunning mulch anyway, harber, about that whole 'credits for testing' bit... I wouldn't mind, i...

#📢┃announcements message If you want to get involved, nedi sends out notifications for surveys.

#😜┃suno-memes message some people meme about it, but this is literally how I got involved with the team. My detailed and helpful feedback must have struck a chord, because they asked me to provide alpha feedback on stuff.

It's not a matter of someone going to them and saying "give me credits because I need to learn"

cunning mulch
#

I've seen 'em

glad valley
#

if the workflow works for you

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Pro Tools is the one all...pro's use lol

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not that it means it's better

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doesn't

leaden lark
#

That’s just how I started back at FL 12, and stick with since, if other daws have better workflows for, that’s great

glad valley
#

I'm gonna test fl studio and then studio one and then bitwig

cunning mulch
#

No, it would be more of a case of "I spent X credits in testing [problem] that users have been experiencing to find a reliable reproduction. I would like those reimbursed"

glad valley
#

ableton is too fucsed on instruments, like for a band

grave lark
grave lark
# grave lark

I think API for lyrics returned this "error" but Suno was like "Of course! those are the perfect lyrics!". I asked for a choir song with no vocals xD

glad valley
#

choir with no vocals would be chanting

grave lark
leaden lark
cunning mulch
glad valley
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aaah

cunning mulch
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and not like it'd be hard for them to verify, either. A bunch of tracks with styles and lyrics way outside my usual personal range, with obvious testing names... yeah, those would be what I'd be putting in for

glad valley
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not that you cant try

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doesn't hurt to try

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but I think you should slow down a bit

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I need to start making samples. Is v1 best for samples or v2?

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or v2 even

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v2, v3, v3.5

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trying v3 I suppose hmm

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bah drums

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no negative prompts either

rose jasper
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Something must be wrong with my prompts now @cunning mulch , 8th generation in a row, where it repeats the Verse 1, 3-4 times, how did you design it again?

glad valley
rose jasper
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I'm experimenting with punctuations now, i've only used commas and new line seperations for awhile

glad valley
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Otherwise you can leave a line unfinished and it can loop back around

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sometimes it does it either way but, don't name chorus or verses

rose jasper
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Hmm, still jumps back

glad valley
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put simplistic information within []

rose jasper
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I've used Suno now for so long, and still cannot figure out why it does this, over and over, and then magically "it doesn't"

rose jasper
glad valley
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you can take some.....suggestions from my structure I suppose

rose jasper
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You're just using more lines then me, is all

glad valley
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[Intro]
Demons, Angels, Saints or Sinners
I don’t care.
They’re all screaming my ear.
Like a virus in my brain, it’s making me so ashamed.

[Industrial metalcore guitar solo]

[Verse 1]
different voices of different kins
I don’t care which one it is
Cause all I hear is tomorrow and yesterday
But I never hear about today
How do I survive this day?
Somebody tell me.
I’m too afraid

[Chorus]
I load the gun once again.
Push the pill and nothing said.
A chemical virus that renders me happy and blind.
Each time I pull the trigger I wake up and taste reality again.
Pleasure is cutting up my brain and I'm going insane.

[Instrumental Orchestral, Electric Guitar Metal Power Chord]

[Verse 2]
I’m so terrified.
I don’t want to die.
Time for a mind suicide.
I don’t want to feel the fear
That haunted me for years
I can’t run, I’m paralyzed
As they eat me alive
And I’m covered in sin
It’s all beneath my skin
I think it’s gonna win

[Chorus]
I load the gun once again.
Push the pill and nothing said.
A chemical virus that renders me happy and blind.
Each time I pull the trigger I wake up and taste reality again.
Pleasure is cutting up my brain and I'm going insane.

[Fast tempo hypercore into breakdown]

[Outro, Harsh Deathcore]

Exact execution on the line.
Place my demons on the walls.
Push the trigger so they fall.

[Guitar Riff]

A land of violence caught in silence.
I look for my misery in the sand.
As I wander deserts across the land.
I think I might become a mummy.
Or perhaps a demon would be funny?
Time to die alone tonight.

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I forgot to end it with [Ending][Refrain] though

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cause that stops a song

cunning mulch
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What do you have going?

rose jasper
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Verse 1
4-5 lines

Verse 2
4-5 lines

cunning mulch
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hmmm

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why 5 lines?

rose jasper
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I'm trying now to put everything within the same format

glad valley
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I have more than 5 lines

rose jasper
glad valley
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dont matter much to mine

cunning mulch
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ah, okay

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so 6, but one is non-verbal

rose jasper
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It's Verse 2 & 3 that's the culprit, and Verse 2 seems to love to get repeated...

Verse 2
Morning light breaks, keeps me awake
Harbouring regrets that I can't, shake~
Up all night thinking, up all night drinking'
Drowning in dreams, and the thoughts I'm sinking. mmm. m-m

Verse 3
Songs of the broken
Whispers in the night~
Carrying this weight, heavy on my mind~
It’s that same old place, that I can't leave behind?
Forever wanting to return, let my feet touch the ground

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It keeps on going back to Verse 2, over and over

cunning mulch
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Are you using numbers in the verse tags?

rose jasper
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I'm not using a [ ] deviator for the Verse category

cunning mulch
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marking them as [Verse 1], etc.

rose jasper
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I used it before, still did the same thing

cunning mulch
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well, try marking them as [Verse], if nothing else

rose jasper
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I'm not having high hopes with this [ ], let me check

cunning mulch
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that's the indicator you're passing instructions

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or a marker, in this case

rose jasper
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Ok, one of them worked now. So strange, it didn't work before

cunning mulch
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it doesn't quite know what to do if you're not using SOME markers

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besides, you can then re-use those markers by themselves if you want repeated lyrics

rose jasper
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I find it strange, how I had those [ ] before, didn't work, removed them, didn't work, added the [ ] back, and it worked

grave lark
safe hazel
last iris
charred merlin
glad valley
rose jasper
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I might teach you something new if you're interested

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I recommend you start using "Style of Music" soundfx

glad valley
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I'm not after random FXs

rose jasper
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And then you can add, a multitude of tags associated with soundfx related noises. You can add distortions, breaks, feedbacks, which would enrich the lyrics

glad valley
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I'm not making actual songs with Suno, I'm finding samples and loops to fit my lyrics

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that hide within the generative

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that I uncover with the lyrics

rose jasper
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I'm all for creativity with this app, that's also my primary usage for it, purely reference materials

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I see Suno as a randomizer button with many tracks, poems that I write, and songs.

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Gives me another angle of approach

glad valley
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mhm

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I should try to write random lyrics for a superpop with futuresynth

small dirge
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Can Suno not do duets? Or am I not doing something right?

fluid oyster
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2:58 time

fluid oyster
charred merlin
# cunning mulch I just can't dump 2K credits into nothing but testing

Just seeing this on a re-read trying to understand what's happening.

When I say that certain members get recognition for their contributions, I don't mean that we're thanked for experiments and tests, we're thanked for our continued goodfaith efforts to help new users use the platform and achieve the same kind of success that we have -- for instance, paimon is a force of nature when it comes to community support for a few solid months running, and rightfully so they were asked to be a community guide. They made an amazing guide helping users locate missing songs that I still have bookmarked to show to new users who might panic.

To clear any misunderstandings, there's no compensation ever provided for "tests", as it's an entirely novel music-gen tool there aren't any formal documentations because it's still being figured out -- try looking up a list of "what you're allowed to say" to chatgpt, and you'll likely get some helpful examples, and maybe a list of things known NOT to work, but it's SUCH a subjective question that trying to get upset about chatGPT not working the way you want becomes unproductive compared to realizing how much it's changed our entire lives and workflows compared to a couple years ago 👀

To repeat, no credits are reimbursed for generations not being the style you wanted, because you've decided what to input as lyrics/metatags/style prompts. I was only mentioning that when people are genuinely helpful to the community, the staff recognize it.

Also, to avoid any misunderstandings I AM NOT A SUNO TEAM MEMBER.

Please don't interpret this as "me not liking you", I recognize that you're upset with the concepts I'm espousing and not necessarily at me (or I'm going to choose to see it that way)

small dirge
# fluid oyster yes he can have a duet look this ? https://suno.com/song/0b7e3039-39a3-433c-a20...

Okay, first, that song sounds amazing! I wish I could understand the lyrics. Second, how? I have tried different prompts and keep getting voices that are indistinguishable. For instance, I am trying to make a duet between two brothers who are fighting each other over the same girl. But the voice is the same. I tried a man and woman singing about their frustrations over everyone giving them advice on how to raise their child as if they didn't know their own child. I've tried romance, rivalry, it's always one person and I'm dying inside. end rant

fluid oyster
cunning mulch
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the point I was trying to get at is: If I'm going to be doing serious testing to try and find a bug to report it, I'd want the credits used for that specific testing reimbursed (by the team), so that I'm not paying to bug test

small dirge
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So you're saying patience then? Yuck

fluid oyster
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yes i put 1000 points on these 2 songs 😄

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so yes o is very hard to get

charred merlin
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afaik, this isn't something we're able to explicitly prompt for, but I just had a great idea 😄

This is gonna be the first Experiment Playlist since the Pool Party reopened! 🎉
#1256301881966198805

cunning mulch
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well... I did tag for a 'palette' of chords, and it seemed to stay pretty close

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of course, I was working with one set of lyrics, so...

charred merlin
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Not saying that's a job title in and of itself, but trust that ALL of the paid staff actively test things and want it to be the best it can before releasing.

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If you're passionate about bug testing, and believe that your time and efforts are worth compensation, I highly encourage you to submit an application to Suno at https://jobs.ashbyhq.com/suno, or there's their Talent Community role for people who don't see an open position that suits them, but who still want to express genuine interest in a position, whatever it may be (you get to choose how to best sell yourself in the cover letter, remember you're applying for jobs that haven't been invented yet, so have fun with it!)
https://jobs.ashbyhq.com/suno/c87801d1-4b65-4f1f-9ede-821e7f84ea4c

cunning mulch
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well, considering it took another 300+ to finally get something I considered acceptable finished, I think I'm gonna have to watch my usage

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can't always spring for a reload

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I mean, even the fact that I did go paid is a big thing, since it shows I think there's enough value here that it's worth that

mystic flume
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Try to keep the prompts simple, is my advice, and the instruction tags in the lyrics too.

craggy delta
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i'll try

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i'm starting to think its related to the database :/

charred merlin
# cunning mulch can't always spring for a reload

😨 extra credits are SUPER expensive because they have "premium rules" in terms of how they expire.

Cost per Credit breakdown in terms of source
$0.00 -- daily 50-cap for free users, or paid members who use all credits
$0.30 -- premier plan
$0.40 -- pro plan
$0.75 -- 4000 credit topup
$0.80 -- all other extra credit topups

You're free to spend your money however you'd like, and I don't want to discourage anyone from expressing their passion for the project, but I sincerely don't want you to spend money angrily.

That said, if you genuinely feel like you're owed compensation for dissatisfactory service, you should absolutely reach out to the support or billing team by email, but there's probably something in the ToS that says that they make no guarantees of the output, and that by simply continuing to use the service, you waive any rights to compensation, yadda yadda not a lawyer, but you do you

cunning mulch
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you seem to be reading WAAAAAY too much into what I've been saying

charred merlin
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Sorry we keep seeming to misunderstand each other 😅

robot_heart hope your're having a good <t:1724635440:t>

cunning mulch
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I mean, sure, I'm a bit salty at that particular song using so many credits, but the worst case is I'd just drop back to basic

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sometimes I screw up and don't realize it

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you know, THAT just happens

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BUT, at the same time, I only get so many credits a month (even with the 'at-0 lifeline' now). I can't justify dropping 10% of 'em on explicit testing to zero in on a cause

charred merlin
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Yeah, for the first 3 months, all of my tests happened as wild sprints in the last 3 days of my credit-cycles, so that I could 1) get a mass amount of songs to continue from later, and 2) try things without worrying about "wasting" anything because they were about to reset anyway 🙂

cunning mulch
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I wouldn't mind doing that kind of specific testing. I just don't want to have to come out worse for doing so

charred merlin
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Just realizing how many songs from those experiment-sprints ended up on my album one way or another, compared to how few were "calculated" 😛

cunning mulch
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I mean, sure, if we get close to the 23rd of September and I've got a ton left with no song ideas...

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but at the rate past songs have chewed through credits, I'm not holding much hope

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now, I have zero clue where you get the idea I want any credits currently used back

charred merlin
# cunning mulch I mean, sure, if we get close to the 23rd of September and I've got a ton left w...

oh my god -- it's a blessing in disguise -- and it only really becomes frustratng if you go into it with specific expectations, but that last 3 days when you don't have time to be super critical, go wild -- pick a specific prompt, only use that for 20 songs, and listen to each -- REALLY listen. dont add crazy extras or lyrics, just the style prompts. after you sort of get an expectation of what to get, try adding a single addition and check how they combine.

ratatouille_synethesia_scene.gif

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wow... indie... and math-rock.

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Now that I've explored so many different flavours of "indie math-rock"... what if I add "dj scratch"?

This is why I find it ridiculously hard to work with 10 flavours at once before I've really taken time to understand each of them in isolation. ❤️

cunning mulch
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we're coming at it from different ends

charred merlin
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It's a pain in the ass, and I'm not advocating that everyone should do the same. Hell no. This is just how I did it.

charred merlin
cunning mulch
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I have some semblance of what I want, and I'm trying to see how best to get there

charred merlin
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I have faith in you, dude. You have a lot more passion about it than some I see who just roll "whatever suno makes" and excitedly share their latest banger.

cunning mulch
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well, TBF, I have a bit of that too

leaden lark
cunning mulch
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but I try to also be more discerning about what I pick

charred merlin
# cunning mulch I have some semblance of what I want, and I'm trying to see how best to get ther...

Please, if there's only one thing you ever take away from my rambles and boorishness -- Please send me the first complete Suno song that you've fallen in love with.

I know how much work you'll have put into it, and you won't need to say a single word to catch my interest. I'll make a fresh pot of coffee, throw on headphones, and probably never be more interested in hearing someone else's Suno song up until that point.

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I won't need the regular "song and dance" I advocate for in showcase / gen-chat posts, because regardless of whether or not you feel that we're friends, I'm hella invested in your suno-success at this point.

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theharber david robot_tiger

htf is it nighttime already. I'm such a space-case. 🤦‍♂️ I have shit to DO

Please someone yell at me if I'm in chat for the next 6 hours. Like, hurtful things.

cunning mulch
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See, where I 'come from', as it were, AI music is currently seen derisively as 'slop', and.... I disagree with that take. I see the potential, and I first need to prove that it's a tool like any other

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that you need a good human mind making the true judgements on what makes it in, from lyrics, to the takes you get

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you know, it's funny... Literally the first time I clicked Generate on my first prompt... I got two bangers that I basically had to pick which was slightly better

leaden lark
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In the end, I use both but make different songs

cunning mulch
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then, I started my second... and I got something I was... okay with, but could have been better. I took it into the tank, punched up the lyrics, did something I thought was neat with the chorus... and then after finishing that version, I started from scratch and style-shifted it

leaden lark
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I should really use my own FL audio for the audio bases to get more bangers out

cunning mulch
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besides... I'm... not the most comfortable sharing my songs here. I have an audience in mind, and the lyrics tend to reflect that

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not trying to get run off the server

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not concerned about being moderated by the AI by any means

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haven't used any vulgar language in my lyrics, and don't plan to. I prefer my barbs dlivered other ways

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anyway... I gotta be off for now

leaden lark
tiny ginkgo
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Is there a way to remix a song in Suno? (Like remixing a song that you’ve made in Suno)

safe hazel
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There is not

mystic flume
prime prairie
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Fix the system so people don't have to continually spend credits forever in order to get the song to end properly!

hollow hare
# prime prairie Fix the system so people don't have to continually spend credits forever in orde...

That is a known issue for 3.5 since like the beginning and alternatives has been mentioned many times.

Basically: 3.5 is not great at ending songs. If you want to terminate a song at a certain time point without using an external program, you will need to [End] it with an extension set to 2.0 or 3.0

  • extend the piece at the point you want the song to stop.
  • Set this termination extension as 2.0 or 3.0
  • Set the style as "End, Short" or just simply End. Up to you if you want [End] in the lyrics

Here is a graphical version of the instructions that was pinned in general: #💬┃general-chat message

compact marlin
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I have a question regarding the credits, I had 1k+ credits in my accounts and now 50, I don't recall seeing anywhere that credits actually expire. 😦

Found the answer here: https://help.suno.com/en/articles/2524993 sad that i didn't read the small letters 😦

Why did my credits reset?

Yes, paid subscriptions still have expiring credits ! Here's how it works: If you're using the Basic (free) plan, you'll note that you get up to ...

jade current
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I have a question regarding uploading the content generated with Suno. I understand you need a paid subscription for commercial use, but what i want to do is to upload the songs to youtube just for sharing, i don't want to monetize them or something like that. Can i do that with the free tier?

compact marlin
# jade current I have a question regarding uploading the content generated with Suno. I underst...

There is no problem sharing on youtube if it is not going to be monetized, "Songs made under the Basic (free) tier are only available for non-commercial use and cannot be monetized. " source: https://help.suno.com/en/articles/2410177

Can I distribute my songs to Spotify, etc?

Yes! Well... let's talk about it. If you made your songs while subscribed to a Pro or Premier plan, those songs are covered by a commercial use li...

jade current
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perfect! thank you! 🙇‍♂️

compact marlin
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There is anyway to check which music was genereted while I had a pro subscription vs the free tier ?

hollow hare
jade current
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isn't it already in the video?

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i mean i plan to upload them with the original video 🤷‍♂️

hollow hare
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Suno logo is there in the original but it is not unusual for people to make music videos or such

jade current
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got it, thank you for the clarification!

hollow hare
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If you are interested in videos, there are several services out there. Noisee can make 1 min music video clips, Hydra can make singing avatars like you may see in some of 3Daizy videos, and more

hollow hare
astral flame
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Does anyone know a good method for cleaning up the vocal residue that gets left in the instrumental stems?

visual zealot
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Is there any way to correct the genre spelling of a customised generated song?

gray ice
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Hi, I'm trying to create a song but when I click on create it says: Couldn't generate that.

Prompt flagged for moderation

charred merlin
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I don't know if this is still being monitored, but there's a Google Forms page the devs made to help try to fix stuff like this, if you genuinely feel like it's a false-positive.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1I6B1GyBSMV3apIaxJMvgZ19nHwFUzUFieCmOoL2s274/viewform?edit_requested=true 🙏 💪

Google Docs
Suno.ai - Song Moderation Mistakes

Error: "Couldn't generate that. Suno is for generating original music. Try different lyrics, and use genres and vibes rather than specific artist names." This means your song was blocked and credits refunded.

Songs on Suno.ai are moderated for:
Non-original lyrics (copyright & artist names)
Being overly explicit (in general or in the use of s...

polar spade
charred merlin
glad valley
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ah lovely LLM moderated by ChatGPT

cinder slate
violet tundra
astral flame
violet tundra
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(while also using the original song as a backing track (so nothing is really lost), and I adjust this as well.). If you're trying to get rid of the hiss... then, once it's mixed, have it mastered (again, using any online mastering service), which will further clean things up to a point that actually sounds pretty decent.

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Sony Vegas works for videos. But if you like DAWS, just for music, you can also use Waveform, which is free and pretty awesome.

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IMPORTANT: when using video software to edit music, set the ruler / measures to Beats (measures and beats, I think it is). Otherwise, harder to slice and dice.

glad valley
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Doesn't creating stems remove vocals?

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one for instruments one for vocals

charred merlin
# violet tundra sign up for Moises or Lalal stem splitter. You'll get 4 to 6 stems instead of o...

Ooooh, excited to check out those 2 -- I always recommend bandlab just because it's a whole web-suite with a ridiculously generous free tier, but I really should do some a/b testing since there's so many companies quickly making a name for themselves.

Hoping to test them out in the next couple days -- the 6-stem separation catches my eye immediately, excited to test out new tools 😄 Anything else to note going into it, like pricing, what they do well vs still need to improve on?

charred merlin
polar spade
# glad valley Doesn't creating stems remove vocals?

Yes. When it works, it's helpful, but never perfect. There is light bleeding over for instruments in the vocal stem and vocals in the instrumental. So you try to clean them up post separating. And digitally created vocals seem to come off as "instruments" in my opinion, and so are a bit harder to split off. Often I am losing the vocal when it originally blends into the song. The best splits are when the song is just 1 or 2 instruments.

noble raptor
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creating an instrumental. the instrumentals are being generated at 40secs, 1min28sec, 1 min, etc... so 1 out of 30+ generations gives me a full 3min track. wasting a lot of credits for these shorts tracks. anyone know how to alleviate short tracks? ... or is this only happening to me.

glad valley
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I see

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well I'll throw it info FL Studio then to be sure

violet tundra
# charred merlin Ooooh, excited to check out those 2 -- I always recommend bandlab just because i...

You get 4 stems for $6 and 10 stems & mastering fro $30-ish. Some guy on youtube showed that Lalal was the best all-purpose stemmer as they have a broader suite of tools. But I didn't see mastering, so I went with Moises for $6 to test then upgraded when it came time to master. I do not have such an Sonar-level ear when it comes to determining the differences between such services, so, for me, it comes down to "good enough" and easy user interface.

violet tundra
glad valley
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wait they charge that per song?

violet tundra
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$30 per month. not per song.

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$6 per month for 4 stems.

glad valley
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that's still a lot 😮

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3 months and you've paid more than a good plugin

violet tundra
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The extra cost is for the mastering...

glad valley
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do they master it personally?

violet tundra
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AI mastering... I don't think it's a bespoke service.

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I only have 54 radio-ready songs. So, for me, it's just the one month.

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For someone who produces 100s of songs, you're right, a plugin would be better for perpetual usage.

glad valley
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AI mastering and manual in a plugin

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55 euro

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just saying it might be cheaper in the long run to consider plugins

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(if you need a daw to run the plugin inside of cakewalk legacy by bandlabs is free)

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of course not telling you what to use, but I like to offer otions

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options'*

charred merlin
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omg don't lose that amount of work
Woodhouse, stop eating posts from helpful people

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Appreciate your insight and candor on moises and lalal! (wait, those are 2/4 of the teletubbies, right?)

Stepping away from discord for the day, but I really appreciate getting hands-on info about different tools, it really helps knowing what kind of tools standout in peoples minds, especially if they're a user-friendly, easy to learn/room to grow sort of thing

violet tundra
stiff sable
# violet tundra $6 per month for 4 stems.

this changed recently if youre talking about moises - you now pick which specific stems you want from it up to 5 stems (and then anything not included in those becomes a sixth 'Other' stem). it seems to do a LOT better than it did before when the stem options were 'pre-selected' from a list.

charred merlin
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@stiff sable!

stiff sable
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wavey hey @charred merlin !!! i've just been doing a lot of lurking recently, busy busy 😓 but still around lol

charred merlin
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Hoping you get to enjoy the fruits of your labour soon, my friend 💪 💙

craggy delta
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In case another one come here with my same problem, searching for this EPIC 80s hard rock, glam metal style, and wants to be signed by a real 80s singer! here's the prompt they need to use! Finally fixed my problem:
80s Glam metal, 80s Hard rock, classic 80s rock,

neat nexus
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Yup, mixing generes like that can really get you the specific shade you're looking for.

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Using parent genres can help nudge things too if you're in a subgenere.

maiden cairn
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Why if i do 5 song i cant do a New song

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Pld

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Pls

vestal rapids
maiden cairn
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Yed

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Yes

tawdry void
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hi, I haven't used up all my credits but the remain disappears when the expiration date come, is it the rule?

charred merlin
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@untold briar @alpine venture Saw this post regarding how MidJourney tokenization weights can shift depending on what other prompts they're used in tandem with. https://x.com/ciguleva/status/1692342449962897469

Further confirms my reticence to provide "concrete lists of prompts that work" because I have NO idea how they'll be used outside of my immediate recommendation.

Tatiana Tsiguleva (@ciguleva) on X

MIDJOURNEY: DOES <THIS> TOKEN ACTUALLY WORK?

Hope you're not getting tired of my experiments because I'm really not tired of doing them 😅

Lately, I've been delving into understanding how the "/shorten" command truly works. Specifically, I've been trying to unravel the

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alpine venture
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it generalizes when trained well, so too, the way it puts words together, for example, is going to have some internal meaning ie you can combine some tokens that mean one thing and get something totally different bc of how it percieves that "grammar" effectively

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although, it's still useful info imo

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we have to use simple heuristics to make good music

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they're over simplification, by I ain't no nerd

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jk I am

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but what I mean is, on our end we have to balance time vs return; my basic heuristic is "good prompts is good"

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if it worked somewhere, it may work somewhere else, or maybe combined with another good one, or with minor changes etc. So finding small things that have an impact help compress more into that style box

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like, it's quicker to use Mbubeoid than Mbube vocaloid

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and it works in a way I like many times

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stuff like that

astral flame
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suno legit just made me a 35 second and a 12 second song. tf. what a waste of credits!

safe hazel
# maiden cairn Yed

Free users get 5 generations (so 10 songs, since each generation makes 2 songs) a day. You'll be able to make more songs when the credits refresh (which I believe happens at 12:00 am UTC)

maiden cairn
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Ok

polar spade
# alpine venture but what I mean is, on our end we have to balance time vs return; my basic heuri...

I've found though, we can put a prompt, let's say, reggae, at the very end of 12 other prompts and the song totally turns reggae. So I've started having my doubts of weighted prompts. Overall yes. And perhaps it "bumps" any new or changes in prompts as a priority style for one generation, then reweighs the prompts again. Lot of synergistic things going on. I swear it takes ideas from my other songs and blends into new song sometimes. I find myself saying, "Hey that's a line from that death metal song I wrote yesterday. "

charred merlin
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I know everyone has different interpretations, but even when Suno doesn't do what I expect it to, I can still try to learn something valuable from thinking about why it did what it did, opposed to what I could have expected

alpine venture
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in their original data

weak estuary
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Hello suno support,
this question may have already been answered somewhere.
It's about instrumental versions. When I generate stems I get the same version as before (instrumental). And the separate vocals version makes no sense at all because it doesn't exist. I would like the playback (instrumental) and the separate instrument, like with the vocal versions.
Can this be implemented please? Best regards, Chris

obsidian raft
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there are ton of tools, free, to separate instrumental/vocals from the songs

polar spade
weak estuary
solar lynx
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hey guys, anybody knows if there is a way to force suno repeat last part it did - twice ? by any tag [] or something like this. Just that it repeats exactly the same twice ?

candid flume
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any news about the "negative prompt"?

polar spade
solar lynx
charred merlin
# candid flume any news about the "negative prompt"?

Any reddit posts or gen-chatter about any features is entirely speculation until you see it listed in #📢┃announcements or #🚀┃updates, or unless someone with a purple name in discord say that it's 100% for sure happening. --EVEN THEN, things are moving so quickly, and things can pivot and change direction so quickly that you might miss some really exciting features if you keep waiting for "negatives", because that might not be in the cards.

Please be on the lookout for the updates and announcements for official news robot_heart

delicate idol
charred merlin
# weak estuary Thanks for the answer. I thought it would be easier with suno, since a solo inst...

Hi @weak estuary -- I am not a member of the team, and suggestions like this are most effective in #💡┃suggestions-web -- the devs read that thread for ideas 💪

"Stem Separation" in Suno would be better named "Vocal Remover" because it only makes a "simple" Karaoke version -- it is not perfect quality, but I do not believe that Suno v3X series had been specifically trained to do this, it might have just "known how" 👀

The devs mentioned in the #🚀┃updates post that "Stem Separation" is just v1, so very early doors, and the fact they named it "version one" makes me very hopeful that they plan to improve on this -- this is admittedly an "early access feature", and I have no doubt it will live up to the "Suno Quality" standard we expect 😄

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In the mean time - I absolutely LOVE a service called Bandlab -- https://www.bandlab.com/splitter

With the free tier you have unlimited access to 4 stem separation (vocals, drums, bass, all others), and can get up to 6 stem separation with their paid tier (I am not a paid member, but others on the server have used it and can give testimonials if they choose 💪 )

You can separate the stems, change the levels, do simple "mixing and mastering" all in one page, or open the tracks in their web-DAW -- no charge 👀

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Oh -- and when you're done, you use their AI-powered free mastering service to choose from 4 different styles.
https://www.bandlab.com/mastering

Like... it's annoying how helpful they are. They make me look like chopped liver. 🤬

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charred merlin
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leaden lark
rose crane
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Hey everyone. So my subscription renewed today with about 4500 credits left. i pay for the 10k a month. So simple math should dictate that I should have around 14,500 credits right? why did it stop at 10k and not roll over? seems a bit sussy....

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craggy delta
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Hey guys, any sugestion on how to make a real 80s pop song? now that i I can do 80's rock songs with this new v3.5 and they sound great by the way, I want to master another 80's genre, pop. Could someone throw me some tags to achieve this? No matter how many times I put 80s and pop, it always throws me that modern pop style that in my opinion, shouldn't even be considered music. It's anything but music.

untold briar
craggy delta
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interesting 🙂 i think powerballad mixed with synth can do a good job

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i'll try that one

safe hazel
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Why not use the word "pop" it works fine.

astral flame
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untold briar
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You can use pop, but you need to have a lot of 1980s specific words along with it in the prompt, of generic modern pop will overpower it

safe hazel
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Oh, I think I see you meant don't use "pop" as the sole style, use like Pop Punk or Pop Rock. Yeah Pop without any qualifying word can do some weird stuff

tawdry void
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hi, I haven't used up all my credits but the remain disappears when the expiration date come, is it the rule?

untold briar
verbal sigil
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/help

flint havenBOT
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How to use Suno

Hi there!
If you’re ready to dive into creating music, head over to Suno.com.

For more detailed information, check out docs-guides-resources.

If you have any more questions, just ask in #general-suno where you can always find our community, moderators and guides to help you with most questions. 😊

hoary otter
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I created a song today and I regret not having tested it first on a better sound system. Let me say I love the lyrics, album art and the first music iteration is perfect for the song.

All that said, for the second time in the last two weeks I encountered extension iterations that appear to have painted me in a corner. Specifically, music styles that are based on tags like [Ethereal, Dreamy, or similar] create a tinny echoing resonance in the background that can overpower the singer at times and at other times generate background noise on a nice sound system that is just painful to the ear.

I am using 3.5 exclusively for generation. The below song starts out well enough but about halfway in and especially at the end it’s rather painful. If anyone can offer a solution it would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you!!

hoary otter
# tawdry void hi, I haven't used up all my credits but the remain disappears when the expirati...

I must confess, it does seem to be a great point. We pay for the credits and accumulating them from month to month only seems reasonable. That said, it’s rare have any remaining at the end of any month but your point seems valid. You are paying for a monthly service and maybe carry over would be reasonable.

I was on vacation out of the country for a month this year. Either a carry over or the ability to place a vacation hold on your account seems fair. Though carry over would cover all bases. 😀

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are there tags for "NOT overproduced" ; "NOT overmixed" "Vocals not auto-tuned to soul destroying crap" ? just..you know..as examples

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hoary otter
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my average iterations on all songs ranges from 6-13 extensions with song lengths from 5-14 mins. I usually try to limit my extensions to no more than 8 lines or two verses. But there is still something in the AI generating excessive noise. The song I referenced above generated atleast 3 or 4 extensions that were so loud from that background noise that the music was actually painful to the ear and inaudible. Just wondering if others are having similar experiences.

hoary otter
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untold briar
# wicked wyvern are there tags for "NOT overproduced" ; "NOT overmixed" "Vocals not auto-tuned t...

I don't know of a general purpose word you can add to any prompt to reliably improve vocals. It's most like a bag of tricks. But if I had to pick "one weird trick" it might just be adding "vocals, vocal" by themselves. "vocalist" I can't remember if I tried but it make sense. "clean" I have had bad luck with. I know a lot of users who swear by it, so maybe it does help in some situations, but my personal experience is "clean" is worse. "clear" isn't super obviously helping, but could be

weak estuary
frozen pivot
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I am determined to use all my 10,000 credits for this month before reset tonight. 850 credits to go 😀

tight spade
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good goolly i wish i had that issue

open torrent
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@dim glacier I want to suggest a change in the export feature (so the filename or metadata includes the identifier of the song) where is the best place to suggest it so the team sees it and considers it?

hollow hare
# frozen pivot I am determined to use all my 10,000 credits for this month before reset tonight...

If you do not know what to do for some of it, I highly recommend generating instrumental pieces of various (sub)genres.

This way, you only need to change the genres and you can use whatever sounds great in a future project.

I personally do not like using the instrumental switch as it usually ends with a short piece or have hallucinations.

Instead, I use instrumental metatags for more control. As an example of my very generic use of broad instrumental tags (opposed to defining specific instruments), you can see it in the lyrics of https://suno.com/song/990073b4-8887-4441-8241-d5374641d1c5

hollow hare
open torrent
unique stone
glad valley
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yay vomiting stopped

alpine venture
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either way, its nice, opens very interesting and progresses into fallout 3

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which happens to be my fav video game soundtrack

untold briar
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With just a few direct lyric prompts where a push was needed

frozen pivot
glad valley
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Damn still can't figure out how to make vocals cut out its own frequency window

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wooh

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I guess I can do it "in post" (VFX joke)

charred merlin
zenith panther
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has anyone have prompt for meditation music? I want to create it without lyrics for meditation, zen but Suno cannot create it's correct. pleas help

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flint havenBOT
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How to use Suno

Hi there!
If you’re ready to dive into creating music, head over to Suno.com.

For more detailed information, check out docs-guides-resources.

If you have any more questions, just ask in #general-suno where you can always find our community, moderators and guides to help you with most questions. 😊

charred merlin
jagged tulip
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We know. We know.

Unfortunately it's not something that we're about to provide any sort of actionable advice in tech-chat about, BUT https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1253766525458841610 is a known-suggestion post so that you know the devs are aware of the issue at least, and if you want to be proactive about the idea, the devs occasionally poke their heads into #💡┃suggestions-web for ideas -- let them know WHY you want an API and tell them what kinds of cool things you would want to see done with it, because it might be that they're ABLE to provide an API, but no one has explained why they should partner with them in that way, or loosen their control of how Suno is being used while it's still in a VERY early doors period

silver cypress
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What prompts do you use to achieve this kind of music? When I try to generate it myself it becomes too epic or too dramatic with too much instrumentary. (battlemusic isn't generated)

analog crow
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why is it taking 15-20mins to gen 1 2min song?

untold briar
runic stream
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can not run

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carmine zealot
# runic stream can not run

ah so that might be why I just got Application error: a client-side exception has occurred (see the browser console for more information).

graceful condor
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Uhhhhhhhhh

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Anyone know why

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Never happened before

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Help

foggy wing
graceful condor
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Oh ok

cinder slate
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maybe this has been noticed before, but I imported a Suno track I made into Logic Pro X and did Smart Tempo Analysis and was surprised to find that the BPM is changing so much (this is electronic music, I think I even put the tempo in the prompt) - first, small fluctuations (maybe just Logic being sloppy but I don't think so), then more dramatic changes

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obsidian raft
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Would be awesome to be able to choose the tempo. As one track is ultra fast, one track is slow, i dont have control over it, prompt is ignored

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also, to choose the "temperature", like from a chillout, tempting, calm, sexy girl voice, to full of rage, metal-like, ROOOAR of some hardcore guy 🙂

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both can be implemented in form of simple sliders, range selector 🙂

charred merlin
obsidian raft
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there is so much spam, i left my 2 proposiions there, but some kid then commented my sugestion with 200 comments, and after all when i asked if staff is reveiving sugestion channel, he said probably not because i left wall of text there 🤦‍♂️

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but ima ping our discussion from here, to there, thanks for sugestion mate 🙂

charred merlin
# obsidian raft there is so much spam, i left my 2 proposiions there, but some kid then commente...

Yeah, it can be a little chaotic in most of the channels from time to time 😅

🙏 You're welcome 😄 100% wasn't meant to tell you that you weren't allowed to talk about that here, but in my (probably incorrect) viewpoint, "tech-chat" is like the laboratory where us weirdos talk about what happens if you pour "math-rock" over "indie", etc, while the #💡┃suggestions-web, #📱┃suggestions-ios, #🚧┃suggestions-layout, #🪲┃bugs-web and #📱┃bugs-ios are more like those "Comment Boxes" they put up in Mom & Pop restaurants for you to give feedback.

The devs are super busy, so they don't always have time to pop their head into the science lab, especially knowing that we'll ask them to stay and bug the hell out of them with questions they either 1) aren't allowed to answer, or 2) are still figuring out themselves 😂 So it's not a means of stifling conversation, but just making sure that your well-thought ideas are also placed in the "official comment box", so that way if they go ahead with the idea, you can "prove" it was your ideas as well 😉 💪

cinder slate
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The moderators (light blue names) are likely better to give explicit instructions as to what the different channels are intended for, since the server is still a work in progress, but from a fellow user's perspective;

  • #💬┃general-chat for the most conversation and personal song promotions,
  • #🗣️┃chill-chat for whatever (but it may still need to be AI related somehow?),
  • and 🎯 here in tech-chat for anything that we can actually sink our teeth into and try for ourselves (like, even if there's a weird bug, it's really helpful to have clear instructions for reproducing on our end so that we can see HOW widespread of an issue it is, or if "it's not a bug, it's a feature", so the bug reporting channels aren't the ONLY place you're allowed to post bug related stuff, but if it's just simply to say "this weird thing happened" without any further attempts to resolve the matter, the bug channels would presumably be a better fit.

just my opinion, ymmv, without the express written consent of major league baseball

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cool thanks... yeah i don't know if this is strictly speaking a "bug" just found it surprising that it can't maintain a perfectly steady BPM even within one generation (I'll do some more "experiments")

charred merlin
# cinder slate cool thanks... yeah i don't know if this is strictly speaking a "bug" just found...

It’s certainly not unheard of for Suno to start speeding up in the middle of a generation, I tend to get that a lot during chant-based songs, but people who do EDM report it as well.

I haven’t done too much research into what might cause it to happen more often than not, but it’s safe enough to assume that it’s related to what we use as input; and if we really don’t like the way, it sounds, we can get it back on track with an extension placed before the speed up

cinder slate
# charred merlin It’s certainly not unheard of for Suno to start speeding up in the middle of a g...

yeah i imported/analyzed a few more songs with Logic, and I think some of the weirdness was Logic's fault. the big climb in BPM at the end of the image I shared was probably from an extension job or something, it makes sense to me that maybe it can't keep it steady over different iterations. or it just chose to do that for stylistic reasons, but yeah overall many tracks are pretty stable tempo-wise I think

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Most are stable, but it's trying to figure out WHY it speeds out that's the real pickle -- while I still don't feel comfortable brushing it off as "just something that happens", and while I still don't have any conclusive proof, I've noticed it happens more frequently when people specifically try to prompt for specific BPMs, whereas there's tools even built into bandlab's splitter that can control the BPM - #📚┃suno-school message

I have a feeling when people say "bpm 120" or something similar in their prompt, Suno ignore the specificity of the request and might just focus on "BPM" as a keyword that seems to indicate some sort of tempo -- and increasing the tempo over time might be a somewhat reliable expression of those hallucinations.

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But up to this point, there's more work put into figuring out Suno's successes, but there hasn't been as much productive research into replicating quirks in order to really understand the hallucinations -- beyond simply noting that there's certain types of inputs that can lead to "hallucinations in general", ie. filling the character count, or overloading metatags with more than 2~3 words.

desert geode
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I have a question concerning voice uploads and their impact on voice generation. I have been trying for a long time to find a voice that closely resembles my own but have consistently been unable to achieve a satisfactory match.

Recently, with the introduction of the upload feature, I uploaded several voice samples, which I used to generate extended songs and numerous tracks. However, today, I created a song without using any uploads and was surprised to find that the generated voice was remarkably similar to the one produced from my uploads, even down to the distinct microphone quality.

This raises the question: Does the system train on the files that users upload?

Tagging some friends here for notifications.
@tulip turret @amber vigil

safe hazel
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You had a generation that sounded very close to your own voice?

wheat pivot
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How can I find a song I disliked from my creations
I mistakenly clicked dislike. I checked Help section, but there is nothing about it.

hollow hare
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If you are playing the song currently or have accessed its page, you should be able to remove the dislike using those two sources as well

charred merlin
# desert geode I have a question concerning voice uploads and their impact on voice generation....

I would HIGHLY doubt that they're using user-submitted content in ACTIVE RLHF (reinforced learning from human feedback) -- "Microsoft Tay" is a great example of why companies don't really do this.

If there's some curiosity regarding a song you generated, it's absolutely worth discussing, but to keep the conversation grounded without too much speculation, there's a LOT more leading me to believe that user-feedback (...>Report>Bugs>...) aren't even used in live training, and only are used for considerations in training future models.

That said, I haven't looked into the ToS to see what kind of rights you give them by submitting this content, but there's way too much to consider for a single instance of oddness to be a smoking gun for something that extrapolatory.

cinder slate
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“Prompt engineering” music feels much more like guesswork

charred merlin
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It's a bit "flowery" but I have an analogy I've been sharing in DMs, 1 sec

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When getting familiarized with creating a genre or style with Suno, I feel it is like walking through an unfamiliar room in the dark -- if you try to walk too fast with boorish confidence, you're going to smash your toe into something and call Suno a sonofabitch 😂

But if you start slowly, get a feeling for things, eventually you can walk through similarly arranged rooms at a safe pace, and not feel entirely overwhelmed. Eventually your eyes may even adjust to the dark.

This doesn't mean that you "understand all of suno", because when you try a different style of song (going from rock to rap), you're entering a whole new darkened room, and if you try to walk through it the same way you did for a rock song, you're going to smash your leg on the coffee table, and get upset because the coffee table wasn't there in the rock-room 🤬

My work with "indie math-rock" has been more akin to daft punk / julian casablancas / delicate steve, with unique and unexpected song structures, so while I haven't "familiarized myself" with "dark room" to make something sound like the band Polyphia (technical math-rock / metal), I might be able to move at a reasonable pace because it sort of overlaps with what I got with "indie math-rock", even though I wasn't "feeling around in the dark" to understand a specific Polyphia-style sound to begin with.

charred merlin
# cinder slate “Prompt engineering” music feels much more like guesswork

I agree that it's 100% confirmation bias if you include 10x prompts and don't understand any of them in isolation, and while it's STILL a huge amount of experimention to try things in isolation like I suggest, I did a lot of my "experiment sprints" in the last couple days of my credit cycle so it felt like making effective use rather than wasting credits.

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ctrl + z

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don't use hashtags with a trailing space or woodhouse gets angry

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also, don't try to use subscript (-#) or he tells you that your tiny line is too big. 🤦‍♂️

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Failing all of that, reach out to a guide or moderator to repost your message ❤️

cinder slate
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Wait what? lol idk what happened I’m just on my phone…