📚┃suno-school

[viral lotus]

Does anyone know about "video regeneration". I regenerated the video and the lyrics scroll too soon. How do I fix that?

[bronze tree]

Technically speaking; how does one submit a song to a specific category on the Suno Home page? For instance, if I have a few good Animal songs how would I get them added to Animal Party category?

[bronze tree]

It's not just you; I regenerated a video today and the result doesn't even attempt to sync the lyrics to the music.

[dapper olive]

fix it now now i can make music

Need at least 10 credits to create.
Upgrade your account to get more credits! wtf i banned make michael jackson song

i got of over 10 credits

FIX IT IS I GOT 2795 Credits

[viscid pewter]

wow first time lol

i mean

the extend lasts 2s, i think its fair lol

and 5 failed generations, 1 got refunded, the other 4 havent followed the lyrics at all, got ONE good one today

[barren acorn]

Hi ,

Is it possible to reuse the same generated music to create new music?

[viscid pewter]

also I had a question about legal stuff :

Imagine i take the lyrics of an actual song (like for example Never Gonna Give You Up, de Rick Ashley), put them in Suno, and change the style to something radically different than the original, does this fall under the parody ?

[hollow hare]

No because you are not making a parody, that would be a remix which you will need licenses to use (for more info, see https://dittomusic.com/en/blog/what-license-do-i-need-for-my-music/).

Think of this way: if you are ever called into court regarding a legal manner and asked to explain how your song would be a parody, can you justify it? What aspect would doing this make the song more hilarious for it to be justified as a parody? I can see if it was a parody video, but this situation? This sounds way more like a remix.

If you were unaware, you can be fined up to $150,000 USD per copyright infringement! If you add in the cost of needing a lawyer... yeah, not worth it.

Besides, taking the lyrics as-is without permission, even if it was for a parody, is against Suno ToS since it says you need the rights to it in the first place (regardless if it would be justified for "fair use" - the latter would be determined by the court): https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1069381916492562585/1256404293267882094/Screenshot_2024-03-05_233857.png

[viscid pewter]

okay thanks for responding ^^

[hollow hare]

And thank you for asking to get the matter clarified 🙂

[viscid pewter]

so i'll keep into licence free things like i'm currently doing

(this -> https://suno.com/song/20578f23-80ca-4776-9728-f6c4e54af976)

[hollow hare]

There are some songs that the artist did publicly gave permission to use (with certain conditions, at the very least being the credit to the creator and signifying their copyright) but it is best to followup with the person and get it in writing as a general CYA policy :X

This is because who actually owns the copyright can differ (e.g. one person/company can own the lyrics while another can have copyright for the mastered soundtrack, etc.) so better to get the matter cleared up by the person involved.

If a service is providing the soundtracks, be sure to read their terms of service to see if you are not violating the terms accidentally (then save the ToS as a PDF or back it up in the wayback machine because THAT particular dated ToS is what you agreed to when you got your song or created your account). For example, some services will state you can only use the sound effects for non-commercial use. Though, remember, I am not a lawyer.

[heavy solar]

suck

[stoic widget]

is suno down?

[hollow hare]

There are two methods you can try but it likely will not give you exactly what you wanted:

1. You can use the Audio Upload feature, trimmed to the portion you want.
2. You can try Extending. If you did not get the tune you like, adjust by a few seconds as that is enough to change the outcome

[heavy solar]

im been banned i use michael Jackson music is copyright

[hollow hare]

Seems to be working for me. Are you getting an 5xx Error? If so, try again after a few minutes or use VPN as that is often associated with a network issue (typically some issue with the DNS iirc)

[stoic widget]

what i am getting

[barren acorn]

Hello,

okey thanks 🙂

[heavy solar]

some

[hollow hare]

Error 524, I suspected it was you! As it mentions, try refreshing the page in a few minutes. Alternatively, use VPN if it keeps appearing (after a few minutes) since there is some issue with the DNS (likely) causing it. You can vote for this issue in the mean time: https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1252384524319326310

[stoic widget]

thank you, i just restart my pc and it worked

[elfin storm]

Is there any update on its front V4?

[trail badger]

The quality deteriorated so much in v3.5 that I hope the quality will be restored with v4. For a while, the model improved. Again, it produces very poor quality results. Is the server inadequate? I don't know if it's something else.

[fluid sentinel]

I've noticed that uploaded audio can sometimes generate a slightly different tempo when "extended". Is there a way to keep the original tempo in tact with new generations?

[carmine cloud]

I dunno what is up with the AI today, but it keeps failing at following the lyrics, it keeps mixing the lyrics up for verse 1 and 2, and if it manages to get through verse 2 it then LOVES to repeat the verse. The last week I have had much less issues with this kind of thing, but today its REALLY bad. I have wasted nearly 2000 credits :/

[shut moat]

so, where you go for member support?

[shut moat]

yeah I have noticed it doesn't want to say individual letters unless you tell it to repeat itself with back up vocals

[carmine cloud]

For me its more like it will do the first verse usually, then do half of verse 2, and then use the last 1-2 lines of verse 1 again

Or it does verse 2, and instead of moving on to the chorus it then repeat verse 2 another 1-2 times

But the last like week or so for me, there has not been that many issues with that, but today its just horrible, I am not sure what has happened to the AI, but I think its drunk and needs to go home.

[trail badger]

The seconds you "extend" can affect your continued pace. The style and title section will remain the same. You need to choose the second of the "extension" carefully. You need to separate the full tempo from the part where you feel the rhythm. I also think there is something wrong with the model right now. I don't see quality in production and extensions.

[pure bison]

the creation now isnt as good as it was

the melody is just reading not singing

[fluid sentinel]

I'm not quite sure what you mean. What I've been doing is creating my own instrumental track of say, 4 bars, uploading it, then using Suno to add vocals to it. I was hoping to keep the original bpm.

[trail badger]

As far as I know, it is difficult to keep the same rhythm in simple melodies. Suno ultimately cannot intervene in the artificial intelligence model. He is trying to create production in line with the rhythm.

[trail badger]

The artificial intelligence model is also a matter of luck. You can achieve the right result by producing a lot. But like I said, it's a matter of luck.

[charred merlin]

The longer the audio segment you upload, the greater of a context you're providing v3.5 to continue from.

It's like if you sing a song for long enough, someone can snap their fingers and sing in the exact same key, maybe even repeat exactly what you sang or improvise appropriately on top

If you just show them a quick flash of your song and ask them to take over, they might be confused and interpret something else entirely.

https://youtu.be/sqheRt5LuCo
Might be a silly analogy, but if the audio upload isn't quite long enough to provide a helpful context, Suno has to "think on the spot" as to what you want, and might react like the girls in this video.

[left bison]

I noticed this yesterday too. 90% of my songs created yesterday SUNO insisted on repeating verses before going to another... It's really annoying this constant worsening in 3.5, they should stop using 3.5 as a guinea pig for 4 and have separate versions, ex 3.5 Stable / 3.5 .XX pre-release. Where in the stable there is always the best version with the least bugs and in the pre-release they keep updating it for enthusiasts.

[cosmic bobcat]

Probably an apt channel to ask this
anyone can throw some light 👇🏼
#💬┃general-chat message

[stray bolt]

Anyone figure out how to get very very fast pace vocals? It seems Suno can only manage to generate up to a certain pace. I've tried a lot of prompts, so at this point I'm guessing 3.5 just can't.

[fallow meteor]

My account has an issue. I can't create or extend any songs.Clicking the button does nothing.😭

[charred merlin]

Can you elaborate? As I understand the question, "hallucinations" are just when the AI does something strongly themed that you didn't request, like when it diffuses into unexpected gibberish vocals, the song "ends then begins" in a different manner, etc

[cold zenith]

I wonder if with the V4, there will be an improvement with the Upgrade from a music made with a previous model. Because sometimes we can ear that this is not natural.

[deft dragon]

Why the AI ignore Informations in "Style of Music" . I say "Only Wardrums" he make electric instruments in the Song. I write "Only Field Drums" he make a Party sound. I Write "Medieval, Play only with darkfield drums and bass drums, Marching song, Epic, Male choir" and he make me a solo female Techno Song.....

[cold zenith]

Look for the name of the instrument used for war drum instead, i think it will works better.

[charred merlin]

Okay - donut and coffee in hand; morning chat sprint time 🏃‍♂️

[deft dragon]

wardrum with other name is "field drum" a other name i dont find

[cold zenith]

military ?

[cold zenith]

Chu-ko drums

[outer tulip]

style is kinda arbitrary. it focuses more on whats in the lyric box. with style it seems more conformative to the tags see the docs for drafting prompts. Stuff like music genre terms only.

I have had similar issues in trying to generate SFX rather than music (attempts for thunder & rain, hammer striking an anvil, spoken dialogue only)

for wardrum or typical like that, maybe try the genre stuff as well. Folkmusic, tribal, marching, etc... an it may also help for audio input if you can do a 2-15s bit with a drum in DAWS an use that as your starter sample

[cold zenith]

did you success for the fx ? it gave me a thunder one time without asking. But i keep it

I didn't succeed for : " spoken dialogue only " as well

[outer tulip]

i havent yet, but i havent gone too extensive with suno yet either. i think im only 800 ish credits used (n it uses 10 every time) but im gonna keep at it. been busy lately.

[charred merlin]

It's very rare that changes get made to the model, there are many considerations to make, such as variations in prompting, the model selected, if it's extending from anything, etc...

[charred merlin]

[e-mail] , [e-mail] are the only official channels at the moment.

The other guides and moderators can assist, and while I can't speak for the rest; you're free to @ me whenever, and I'll respond whenever I'm able ❤️

[deft dragon]

Its a good idea. Will try

[charred merlin]

No, v4 will be announced in #📢┃announcements or #🚀┃updates

[elfin storm]

No, v4 payment no free

[cold zenith]

You are very unlucky because it deterioted so rarely in 3.5. V3 was beginning after 3min...

[charred merlin]

#📚┃suno-school message

I'm hoping to condense a bunch of advice into a workflow as a temporary means until I can write my full workflow. Too busy, in a good way

[charred merlin]

I don't understand.

v4 does not exist.

[outer tulip]

I have some questions regarding bark. for my folio project i am working on an ai show an need preferably local tts for the dialogue generation. On bark, it notes for small model 8gb vram is needed. I have nvidia 1650ti but its laptop so while technically 8gb its in 2 clusters of 4gb nodes linked in parallel. IK most AIs would thus consider it a 4gb gpu. Would this work with bark at all? or would i have to implament parallel multiplexing operands for memory management thru both torch cuda control and implament a code for mixed precision usage... or is that kind of custom code pipelining not do able with bark?

[charred merlin]

The more specific of a result that you want, the more use of extensions and experimentations in prompting you'll need to use.

Since we can't explicitly "command / code" Suno to do something, we can only suggest it, we need to think of specific prompts or evocative keywords to represent "fast singing". You could possibly achieve this from focusing on creating a specific instrumental first, then focusing on adding lyrics as a second step through extensions -- this way you have more granular control over the creation because instead of "pulling the slot wheel" every time and getting new songs, you can hyper-focus on getting lyrics a specific way that fit the existing music.

[elfin storm]

I mean the question, V3 already exists. V4 has improvements in songs or additional features, namely that you can separate vocals and instruments/video clips of songs in 4K/higher
real world reality and can be edited using musical compositions

[charred merlin]

The model does not receive unexpected updates

It's easy to rationalize these unexpected results as being the result of the devs "fiddling", but it's 100% the outcome of using different prompts with an LLM.

If you have difficulties creating a specific style or overcoming an issue, you're welcome to elaborate and we can try to solve it together! ❤️

[charred merlin]

"exclusionary" prompting isn't recognized, "only drums" is interpreted as "make sure this song includes drums!" Same thing with "no drums".

#📚┃suno-school message Here's a post where I'd talked about how hyphenating prompts can force Suno's tokenizer to read it differently and give different results -- let me know if you have questions or followups!

[cold zenith]

how do you know ?

[elfin storm]

I ask

[stray bolt]

What of [] () "" or similar, etc? These have the same results? I remember experimenting with multipliers in 2 or 2.5 (not sure when it was). Using (prompt)2 or (prompt:2) on prompts and it messed up the music entirely, though I don't know if that is because it worked or not.

[charred merlin]

@untold briar is our resident Bark expert -- he's experiencing some power outages in his area, so he might be harder to reach than usual, but if you ping him he'll likely respond whenever he has the opportunity ❤️

I apologize I can't be of more assistance at the moment, after open-sourcing Bark, the company focused on developing Chirp into Suno and a lot of the community focus has been directed there just through ease of use.

[cold zenith]

you're asking or you asked ?

[charred merlin]

(parentheses) are for backing vocals
[brackets are for metatags]

[stray bolt]

I was putting them in style.

[charred merlin]

v4 doesn't have any improvements yet.

Nobody can use v4. It is still a robot-baby, and is not ready to come out and play

[elfin storm]

I responded to the previous chat

[charred merlin]

They don't

[elfin storm]

but there is hope for that

[shell oxide]

anyone know how to fix it?

[charred merlin]

Beyond occasional comments that might slip through, no public statement regarding v4 has been made.

Anything "through the grapevine" should be considered bull crap, because even the developers are reticent to share anything internally about it -- because EVERYTHING CAN CHANGE AT THE DROP OF A HAT WITH AI

[outer tulip]

lol

[charred merlin]

@outer tulip ^

[outer tulip]

thanks n yea

im on mobile so i wasnt able to copy it

on #bit was trying demo use of anchor with [brackets]

in suno space between bracket n anchor idk which is use if space or no space

[charred merlin]

oof, I wonder if there's a mobile version of ctrl + z

@outer tulip I saw how much effort you put into that, and damned if I was going to let it go to waste -- thanks for taking the time to share your feedback ❤️ It's one thing for me to rant and rave about how I interpret things, but we NEED detailed and constructive feedback like yours to grow as a collective

Please stop spreading misinformation on the technical-discussion forum. v4 has not been officially released.

[elfin storm]

OK, I won't continue

[charred merlin]

Thank you for understanding , I don't mean to be harsh -- even us alpha testers haven't had a chance to SEE v4, let alone use it. Anyone claiming to have it is lying for attention.

[elfin storm]

sorry for spreading uncertain information, I saw YouTube spreading uncertain information

[outer tulip]

there are also 2 fake apps at least making rounds on google playstore that are piggy backing on suno brand, found em other day in looking for android app but only iOS app is official

[charred merlin]

@elfin storm It is perfectly okay! ❤️ I do not believe you were sharing this information to confuse or show bad spirit -- Suno is VERY exciting 😄

As our friend darth_brando points out, many people will try to pretend to be Suno in order to steal money 🤬

The important part is that we talk about it like friends and can focus on helping eachother make the best music possible!

[stray bolt]

Is there a good practice for making sure that vocals alter in a song, eg Male vocals for one Verse and Female for the other using the correct tags? I've mostly only managed by chance, while getting close to success when playing around with [] tags in the lyrics.

[outer tulip]

in bark docs in theory you can achieve by doing

[man/male/mr (name)]
(dialogue for guy)

[woman/female/ms (name)]
(dialogue for girl)

an it should work. it may not always work. other bit is separate gens then combine thru extension

[left bison]

I manage with some genres more easily than others, for example if I have a female vocal and want a part with a male rap, putting [Male Rap] works almost every time

[brave gull]

was curious how many songs I created in total so I used the new "go to page" feature to check and... im so cooked

[charred merlin]

😛 My friend @naive quail got some really good results, but swears that it was mostly unintentional. I'll dig up his comments about it the last time I picked his brain

[outer tulip]

@untold briar was told ur the bark expert, when you have the time if you could check this an lemme kno what you think that'd be great thnx

[fossil dust]

Hello I have a question .. I mostly always get female voices even when I put male voice in my prompts, is there a way to fix this or a special thing to do that I don't now about.

[stray bolt]

Thanks @outer tulip @left bison @charred merlin Hopefully I'll get some good results on the next tune experiment.

[charred merlin]

#📚┃suno-school message "Toker" follows up in some of the comments afterward.

I respect his expertise; as a multi-instrumentalist he puts a lot of effort into his desired output, and even when dealing with really uncertain results (such as duets and vocal specificity) he still puts in a lot of effort to get specific styles (creepy voices, specific instruments, etc)

[outer tulip]

so fe'male' and male as well as wo'man' and man

as can see thus sometimes may be part to blame in tag recognition. for male specific can try
men/guy/mr on prompt tags instead.

reinforcing lyric prompt in addition to style prompt is also usually a thing that needs to be done. particularly with attempts at duet/support accompanyment.

in lyrics at start of your song somewhere, reinforce the style prompt by putting [men/man/male vocal] in top somewhere. it should help.

[charred merlin]

This is in regards to prompting Bark, right?

Just checking because there was the Suno-equivalent of a chain letter going around where people were using Bark-style commands for Suno, and it doesn't work like that.

[stray bolt]

could the emotes for gender work? ♀️♂️ ( can't paste the actual symbols here since they turn into :emote: tag things )

[charred merlin]

Differences of opinion on that for sure -- some will swear left and right that they can use crazy codes to make things work, but @unique stone has done LOTS of testing regarding that. Digging up a relevent song now
https://suno.com/song/f735599e-cdf9-49dd-aa21-984fe7a9cdbb

[outer tulip]

kinda i read up bark github earlier, if the coding has changed then thats my mistake. I thought it was similar as I had seen last week a spoken dialogue interchange done with Suno by using
[Mr C...]
his dialogue

and
[ms N...]
their dialogue

n they did a few back n forths and it worked

[charred merlin]

There might be similarities, but Suno is so many generations separated from Bark that they basically only share a step-great-grandfather

OKAY - enough laziness on my part, I'm going to put out a good number of playlists for experimenting this kinda stuff

In an attempt to constantly improve on my methods, I've really slacked on getting my workflow put together.

So that I don't waste anyone's time while they wait for the finished product, I'm going to start putting these "prompt-experiment" playlists up for view and we can all work on what ideas to add as I go

[outer tulip]

i did kinda figure it was at this point far beyond in post generations but if they do still share some base code formats the fundamentals should still work ish

[charred merlin]

The experiment playlists I'm going to start with are going to be;

• 1. Vocals Only -- eg. "a cappella" vs "acapella"
• 2. Prompt Order -- eg. "bluegrass metal" vs "metal bluegrass"
• 3. Vocal Styles -- eg. "male", "female", "yelling", "whispered"

Let me know if there are any additional a) playlists, b) demonstrated examples, or c) experimentation methods you'd like to see. ❤️

[outer tulip]

also with like generate lyrics, if thats still gpt 3.5 those code styles hopefully work with suno, since the generated lyrics be it in sunos webui or from chatgpt directly n copy paste, there may be some issues if gpt n suno dont quite mesh.

but i have also noticed like generating lyrics in gpt3.5 raw rather than suno, it does a few things suno dsnt quite keep up with yet.

for example you can tell gpt format ie ABAB vs ABACB an it will generate accordingly but also

ABAB
A=verse
B=chorus

if you tell it 4 verse in ABAB

it will usually generate 6 or 7 verses. having 4 progressive verses, with chorus (part b) between each +/- extra chorus at end.

and if you tell it key as well, in theory GPT will gen lyrics that vocalize best with that key's major/root. have yet to truly test that aspect or whether the AI is simply faking/guessing or if lyrical generated vowel usage is actually conforming to key/notes.

far as notes, cgpt can also output tracker tabs as to melody notes for specific lyrics but again dnt yet kno if fake/guess or if it actually considers word to note relation.

[charred merlin]

Like @mystic flume shared in the pinned comments, using structure tags can be helpful for giving suno additional context about the upcoming block of lyrics (metatags sort of work like adding a localized style prompt for a specific section of the song), so when Suno sees [chorus] before a block of words, it understands that it should nudge itself in a direction that "it feels/believes" is reminiscent of "a song's chorus", perhaps bringing back a motif or whatnot.

What it DOESN'T do is allow you to wrastle 100% control over how Suno is intended to spit out a result. Regardless of the complexity/simplicity or length of input, Suno will try to make something that it thinks sounds objectively pleasing. If you give it 1 single line to sing, it is faced with a choice "do I sing this line only once and then generate 3:50 of instrumentals?! Or do I keep singing that line like a refraining mantra?!"

In my opinion, the only way to "use Suno wrong" is to believe that any misinterpretation between your desired output and what Suno gives is solely a failing on Suno's part.

That being said, there's ABSOLUTELY improvements to be made -- I don't want to spend days crafting "The perfect song" and would love if I had hyperspecific control over Suno the same way that I feel I can with ChatGPT after they've added Memory features, Persistent Conversation Instructions, etc, and I cannot WAIT for the day when I can tell Suno exactly how much I want it to improvise, or what sections of the song are paramount to my desires (while the rest can vary)

[charred merlin]

I love the dialogue exploring quirks in these different AI applications, because you can start to learn a lot about them if you learn WHY they hallucinate the way they do, and WHEN. ❤️

[outer tulip]

Last aside note i will say about generating lyrics externally in GPT

dunno how much the AI was fake/guessing or how much was accurate but since gpt2, cgpt is familiar with music genome project and can analyze lyrics accordingly.

meaning if there are certain styles or artist group type similarities you want in your generated song

using music genome ref, a ref to style/artist/song you want to evoke (or combo of these)

cgpt3.5 can output lyrics similar in style or to artist/group or to specific songs and/or combos of all of the above.

I tested this out late 2022 into 2023 n it seemed to work reliably but also occassionally just gave me nonsense and once or twice just parody rewrites.

copyleft warning bit tho, in working with music genome refs, be sure your output lyrics are unique enough from reference that you are not copying others works. cgpt is also open to rewrite/edit of lyrics generated by simply talking to it n telling it what to modify.

[outer tulip]

thnx and yea its taught me a lot between learning gpt, dream by wombo and stable diffusion, along with brief meddling with riffusion

[charred merlin]

@pseudo flax and @junior glacier ruined my life the other week by introducing me to https://websim.ai

If your brain is further crushed toward a singularity, then my job is done here.

[viral lotus]

I don't guess there is a way either to: 1. add section to the beginning of a song (intro after song has already been generated); or 2. cut out the initial portion of a song?

I can do the latter in audacity, but I want to be able to link the song within Suno after doing so.

@charred merlin I generated this song and then wanted to include an intro before the song began. Is this possible? Here is a clip where I generated the intro after Verse 1 and first Chorus, then I reproduced Verse 1 and first Chorus.

Is there any way to get rid of the Verse and Chorus before the added intro? If not, what would you think about the "intro" stuck after the first chorus? (would continue with verse 2)

https://suno.com/song/e360f1b3-1965-4a8d-a2c5-17e7c14ea6d6

[fossil dust]

thank you everyone for your help

[barren acorn]

it's possible forced the voice mal ? 🙂

[fleet remnant]

Does anyone have any luck producing sound effects in their songs?

[charred merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/smirk-ryan-reynolds-grin-gif-4553503

Nope -- but they've been cooking up cool stuff at a breakneck pace, video regen surprised me so much it made me spit coffee out of my nose (intensive surgery still pending)

[charred merlin]

The best solution at the moment would be downloading the song, clipping out the intro in your choice of DAW (https://www.bandlab.com/studio if you don't have one installed) and uploading the 60 of audio back into suno to extend from.

Only downside is any vocals in the first 60 would make it so you can't set it as public on the social media side of Suno. BUT if you focus JUST on the instrumental part first, you can add the lyrics later.

That's another reason why I'm super in favour of starting off by trying to get unique instrumentals to begin with, rather than including lyrics right off the bat.

[viral lotus]

Yeah, I wanted something to post on Suno

[cosmic bobcat]

I can elaborate on general hallucination (in image). my question pertains to suno, when does one know if the ai hallucinated? One user recently gave a prmopt on violins and the generated song started with violins but tranformed to electric violin later! is this hallucination ? I hope you understood my query

[charred merlin]

Sorry, just checking -- do you mean to fix the way the lyrics are presented as text in the video, like to better time the words, or was the question about only using selective pieces of audio? If it's the latter, I answered in the reply above ❤️

[viral lotus]

No, the actual music. You answered correctly

[charred merlin]

Oh man , I keep forgetting how great the future is -- EVEN IF there's lyrics, just use a splitter (again, bandlab has you covered if you don't have an AI enabled computer https://www.bandlab.com/splitter ), just take out the vocal stem and mixdown the result to get a "clean" intro -- NOTE TO SELF

[viral lotus]

I'll need to get into that later

man, I'm getting REALLY lucky on generations. Getting some phenomenal generations.

[charred merlin]

...I swear I'll actually get the playlists up on the workflow page today -- even I'M starting to feel like "Suno Simplified" is a scam by now 🤣

[charred merlin]

Stop making music immediately and go buy a lottery ticket, then spend 50% of your guaranteed jackpot on MORE CREDITS -- Financial Investors HATE HIM for sharing this one simple trick!

Better yet, use the iOS app / mobile browser to keep the luck going on your way to the store, because there's some songs that you just can't ever get again, no matter how much you offer to bribe the robot with.

[viral lotus]

Can I extend a song and then somehow start a new "Full Song" at the beginning of that extended generation?

[charred merlin]

There is no 100% guarantee, but there are many tips. https://www.suno.wiki/faq/metatags/voice-tags/

[barren acorn]

okey thanks 🙂

[mystic flume]

Sometimes. It is hit or miss. But I added [laughter] to a song the other day and got pretty consistent results.

[charred merlin]

Violin > Electric Violin is a very small type of hallucination, yes.

If you give Suno A LOT of words to sing, and it sings them out of order or repeats verses very small hallucination.

If Suno gives something that you DID NOT ASK FOR, that's a normal hallucination.

[charred merlin]

As Tinda pointed out, you'll have better luck getting sound effects that are typically used in audio recordings -- like laugh tracks, gasps, stings, and I've heard the occasional gunshot.

@unique stone made a song in which raucous crowd cheering slowly evolved into one heckler slowly morphing into a howler monkey, which morphed into an ambulance sired, so yeah, like Tinda said, sometimes it's hit or miss 😛

[fleet remnant]

Sounds good, I'll give it a try

[icy solstice]

website not working

[austere dragon]

ugh ugh ugh U just bought more credits ugh ugh ugh

[viral lotus]

@charred merlin check out my new song in showcase if you get a chance. Generations were almost perfect.

[charred merlin]

-# People are scary, let’s give the robot a second to feel safe

[charred merlin]

Found it, giving it a listen now — any timestamps you wanted to highlight, like if anyone’s tips helped you achieve anything?

Even if it’s just satisfying to get “the perfect song”, I appreciate you sharing 🙂

[viral lotus]

Actually I'm happy with song...there is one inaudible speaking part right after the "warning", but the rest was nearly perfect.

[cosmic bobcat]

I don't believe there's something like small or normal hallucinations. Any deviation from the prompt and expected response is hallucination itself. But my point is different, read my original question in general, I want to know specific examples and whether such hallucinations made the song better or worse. Since the primary reason is to understand about such situations wrt Suno

[elfin storm]

Why can't I edit, does the song credit exist?

[viral lotus]

The way that the model is trained, all hallucinations are on a sliding scale. @charred merlin I don't believe something like the electric violins above isn't a hallucination at all, as "acoustic" was not specified. If instead it gave cellos, this would be a slight hallucination. A catfight would probably qualify as a psychotic episode.

"Any deviation from the prompt and expected response is hallucination itself.": Not exactly true, as our idea of how the model "should" interpret the prompt is different from the model's understanding of the prompt.

[smoky maple]

có ai có thể giúp mình tạo ra một bản nhạc không ạ

[charred merlin]

Difference of opinion, I suppose.

I believe it's very important to understand the varying levels of "expectable unexpectedness" when dealing with any form of AI service, because conflating the two often means that there's a misunderstanding about the platform's capabilities.

For instance, I've spoken many times about how Suno repeating lyrics doesn't mean that it's "Broken", but there's a misunderstanding about the way that information entered into the "lyrics box" is parsed.

Another instance is a particular waveform diffusing into a similar sounding instrument -- this isn't "broken" functionality, but a byprodct of the model's training and refinement.

These are examples of "expected unexpectedness, or the "known unknowns.

When the AI generates something ENTIRELY unexpected given a reasonable understanding of the potential outputs, that is what I would feel comfortable calling a Suno Hallucination, without any form of quotations or asterisks for fear of confusing people from understanding how the platform can work with them instead of for them.

Examples of hallucinations, like I said, are when you've presented lyrics and instead of simply repeating those words, it makes up gibberish to add on top of it (beyond it "reading metatags" out loud)

[charred merlin]

Hello, Vietnamese, yes?

Đây là trò chuyện tiếng Anh.

Nhóm này giúp?

https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1155320703600562316

[cosmic bobcat]

The model's interpretation of the prompt should be the same as the model understanding of the prompt. That's how it should be!
How can we expect a difference in this. Not acceptable IMHO

[charred merlin]

Desired results don't change the way the underlying technology works. I'm sorry that Suno isn't meeting your expectations, but if you have a particular song you'd like help creating, be sure to let us know and we'll be happy to help.

Maybe future models will feel more intuitive to you, if engaging with the community support isn't something you'd like to do. ❤️

[viral lotus]

You mean it's not acceptable if there is a difference in the model's interpretation of the prompt vs. its understanding? The way models like this are trained, it's currently impossible to prevent. Just look at chatGPT. If they could stop all the hallucinations immediately they would. But it's not like they can throw a switch and change its behavior. Not at all how it works.

[charred merlin]

Oh my, the struggles I've had to endure to stop ChatGPT from "borrowing" established intellectual property names when I do a "Choose your own adventure" scifi story

So embarrassing when I catch it trying to introduce someone else's starship as "the millenium falcon", and I yell at it for using Star Wars, only to realize 97% of the races and planets it "made up" are star wars anyway 😛

Bad analogy, but that's not a "hallucination" as much as it is a quirk. Hallucinating would be if it stopped engaging as a storyteller and told me the recipe for Beef Wellington.

[viral lotus]

However, if you can come up with such a method to train a model, I'm sure a large company would pay you more than handsomely for it.

[charred merlin]

This is literally one of the most profitable sectors on the planet. I concur 100%, if someone wants a box to "do magic better", there's never been a time to learn how to make a box "do magic" for themselves -- or just wait a couple weeks and the exponentially evolving platforms will have caught up, and their expectations can overshoot all anew

[cosmic bobcat]

No but they are always trying behind the hood. In fact there are a lot of startups working on doing this! Don't be surprised if this happens soon enough.

[elfin storm]

Hello

[cosmic bobcat]

2 such companies I know of. Raga AI and Xylem Ai already on it. I'm sure a lot of companies are involved on solving this globally

[charred merlin]

2 days ago in a DM I had suggested that you forward your existing email thread with [e-mail] to [e-mail] -- have you done so?

[elfin storm]

Yes

[viral lotus]

yes, for sure, but it's not something that can be implemented on Suno right away. And while Suno would like to minimize hallucinations, this is a whole other rabbit hole to go down and would take as much time as the whole rest of their operations.

[cosmic bobcat]

I don't have specific problems with Suno. The problem is users having a non music sense can't really identify if the generated output had hallucinations in it. However it's good to note some points. The lyrics being repeated is one I did encounter, but it isn't a deal breaker since I post edit the songs anyway on Audacity.

[viral lotus]

can we upload our own reaction stickers if we pay for nitro? Or just get access to more of them?

[charred merlin]

Have they responded yet?

[charred merlin]

imo, it's an ongoing process as they try to refine each model that follows

[charred merlin]

I'm not sure what you mean by users not recognizing "hallucinations"? Can you elaborate in detail? As I've explained, in terms of Suno I understand "hallucinations" to mean when the output drastically doesn't match the user's input -- the only way they wouldn't notice that is if they didn't listen to the song output, or didn't pay attention to their input

[charred merlin]

With your own server, yeah

[viral lotus]

Which shows that people with more music intelligence can do more with a.i. than those with less. I somewhere in the middle. I played violin for four years, studied music theory, tried and failed to learn to play the keyboard and guitar each twice, and tried three or four times in my life to (seriously) write lyrics.

I never finished even a bad song before chatgpt (finished one "OK" song). After Suno, now I can write a song a day. I can see how the lyrics fit with the music and can experiment as much as I want. Before, I would buy five books and study them intensively. Now, I just use ChatGPT (should be Claude!) and Suno and I've learned literally 99x as much about songwriting than reading books. Or I guess it's more accurate to say that I learned to practically implement the theory which was very abstract. And the theory is useless without the implementation.

[cosmic bobcat]

That's the point. I can't give suno examples here!
But consider a different example, I specifically asked an AI to introduce itself in 5 random languages. From the output, however, I could infer they were ALL popular west European languages only! And when I mentioned this to the AI, it accepted this and infact accepted it should have taken a more global approach in language selection devoid of any bias. I was quick to know this was a mistake or a hallucination on the part if AI since I know about those languages. However, since I'm not a full time musician, I won't be able to recognise such things in suno outputs. This is the crux of the issue.

[charred merlin]

Wherever they are right now, thank your highschool music teachers

You rock, Ms. Perrier! ❤️

[charred merlin]

If you're unable to reasonably convey an example of what you're trying to accomplish with Suno, I'm not sure the best way to assist.

it seems your issues are more with AI in itself?

[cosmic bobcat]

I absolutely agree with the last point!

[cosmic bobcat]

That's fine completely! I thank you for your detailed replies. Let me come back on this once I encounter something specific when experimenting with suno.

[viral lotus]

I took violin in fourth grade to get out of singing class. Hated it. Fortunately, they didn't have an orchestra when we moved in eighth grade. Didn't sing a note after third grade until I was 38 and went to the Philippines, where I started singing two to six hours a day (most days until I lost my voice, lol).

[charred merlin]

Thanks ❤️ I don't mean to force my opinions regarding AI onto you, the fact that it means so many different things to so many people is what makes the collaborative side of it fun 🙂

I hope you follow up if you come across anything "weird" in Suno, either for further investigation or just for a chuckle 😛 Feel free to @ me anytime and I'll respond whenever I'm able!

[viral lotus]

@charred merlin Are you an employee of Suno, a volunteer, or just someone who hangs out 18 hours a day because he loves helping people?

[craggy ermine]

Hey does anyone think all of todays gens have extra 'snow' in them? It's definately only Suno songs

[charred merlin]

Oh man, when the musical floodgates open, it's hard to shut them sometimes -- do you mind if I inquire what it was about the Philippines that "woke that" in you? Something about the area, or was it just "right time right place" kinda thing?

And just to share my elementary school anecdote, I grew up in a small town, and the rural school had a ridiculous full string orchestra for kindergarten - grade 8 (viola was my jam) -- I moved to a "big town", and they literally all used recorder-flutes. ☠️

I was so happy to get into highschool and have access to "real instruments"

[viral lotus]

Aha, chatgpt is not so smart after all. I asked chatgpt what all I needed to pack for my trip to the Philippines next week and one of the items was: "hair or comb". Problem is I'm bald and don't own a tupee

[craggy ermine]

@viral lotus its for self defense

and/or speedy disguise

[charred merlin]

Are you able to DM a few examples? Everything's been stable with the models for quite a while now, any tinkering is happening for later stuff. But it would still be interesting to get examples of what you're noticing

[charred merlin]

hahaha, this is legit the most I've been called out since my wife pointed out how I always leave just enough coffee in the pot so that I don't have to make the next batch 🤣

[viral lotus]

I went full-time into online poker so I could move to the Philippines and I read that karaoke was their national pasttime, so I practiced one song: Louis Armstrong's "Wonderful World". It was one of the only songs in my range. I thought I did a "fair" job with it at the time. Everyone there thought I was a good singer because I pronounced the English words right. But I'm certain I was completely out of tune...lol.

So I bought a full karaoke setup and had people over singing all the time. Four years later, I moved back to the U.S. and continued singing several hours a week and was up to some aerosmith songs about a year and a half ago, when I took a night job, so I couldn't sing karaoke anymore. And I stopped singing for a few months and then I couldn't sing a note.

So I'm very thankful to Suno for allowing me to express myself.

[charred merlin]

Some of my favourite songs to sing are my own Suno generations. They just mean that much more to me.

[viral lotus]

definitely, but unfortunately they are all out of my vocal range now.

[carmine cobalt]

Hello I cannot public songs from create or library . No audio upload, 2 exts,

Same snapshot for both

[modest oasis]

Is there a specific prompt to alter the speed of the music ? For instance an Interlude that is 3/4 speed of the normal pace

[wet minnow]

usually its a switch on the song

[charred merlin]

@viral lotus to answer your question, #2 and #3;

For a minor overshare; I used to own café and I absolutely loved it. I focused on developing "5-minute relationships" with the customers so they'd feel welcome hanging around and chatting before leaving, selfishly to make my day more enjoyable, but people seemed to respond well to it.

After selling the shop it felt like high time for a change of scenery so I moved out to the east coast 🇨🇦 ⚓ and fell in love with the city, but only realized how naively well meaning I was after being taken advantage of by a couple up-and-coming businesses. That combined with covid and no longer having "my social safety net" around in the same way, I 'hermitted' HARD.

Beyond the odd internet interactions, I was pretty much a social ghost for ~4 years, until on a whim I joined Discord on my birthday to chat with other Project Zomboid fans, the mods there were super welcoming and invited me into the cool kids club (i think just because I photoshopped one of their cats as a rockstar and they thought I was friendly?), and then everything picked up when I got introduced to Suno. ❤️

You are all super friendly, I love how we all learn and help each other, and since I currently have some free time while Life™ happens, so I'm happy to be here 🙂

As for #1, I'm not an employee of Suno, and while I'd offer my support during my free time regardless, providing this type of support and beyond would be literally be my dream job.

[carmine cobalt]

Went to the song and it's the same as my ss... your ss here looks very alien to me. I'll try relogging

[valid dagger]

Hi guys, I've done a fair number of Suno creations now, most of which are not on public because I sometimes do heavy PrTools editing. I love hallucinated vocals, the sort you get in "custom" mode when not entering any lyrics. I have definitely gotten English hallucinations and a South American Spanish one (Argentina, maybe). I have two questions: There's one hallucinated language that I can't recognize, but would love to hear more from. Is there a way to identify it? Link's here: https://suno.com/song/19797263-48ac-44a6-82d4-e16b0808cc4b Question two: since model 3.5 hallucinated vocals seem to be much less inventive, being only ever repetitions of one and the same phrase. Is that true, and can I influence this?

[wet minnow]

if your screen ist soo small or you use mobile its in the 3 dot menu. usually its a switch. ignore the smiley buttons in my screen. you should not have these.

[charred merlin]

The smiley faces likely have to do with a testing group for giving additional song feedback.

You won't be able to make the clip public if the initial audio upload (or any of the resulting extensions) come from an upload where vocals have been detected. False positives can happen, so in that case just reupload the clip or try to determine what type of sound could be "diffused" into vocals

Like a groaning digeridoo could accidentally flag as vocals

[carmine cobalt]

Strangely I think the ui was bugging because it appeared where it should be after I logged out and in again

Thanks for the help that was strange

[wet minnow]

np. is it a switch now or in your 3 dot menu? just curious.

[carmine cobalt]

Three dots, the switch is probably a feature on the way

[viral lotus]

All of the support is very much appreciated. I'm sure I'll be back for many more questions.

[charred merlin]

🍻 Thanks for chatting man, @ me any time 🙂

[wet minnow]

interesting. that depends on the screen resolution if its a switch or in the 3 dot menu. this is why i asked because for me it always was a switch. super interesting

[lament swallow]

@charred merlin When I create certain music, it can be less than a minute long, and it uses up credits (for nothing). It would be good to ensure that the song is at least one minute long, and if we want less, we could select an option for that. (I can't screen here)

[austere dragon]

does anyone know a sure fire way to get a male vocalist?

[modest coral]

YEA! I keep getting female! and am so irked!

[austere dragon]

I bought 2000 credits this morning because I was out... I've spent 100 on just trying to get male vocals.

[modest coral]

and not to mention it all sucks right now

am so upset!

this as been therapy for my disorders since real doctors I cant go too

and I been sufferig and cry!

[charred merlin]

As stated numerous times, there's no guaranteed 100% method of forcing suno to respond in a certain way, you can only give suggestions and try to further influence a style.

If you search for previous responses on the subject (do a search in this thread for "male vocals" or "female vocals" and you'll find lots of feedback.

Just entering "male vocals" doesn't act like a "command" that you're coding into Suno, it's reading it as 2 separate instructions and "vocals" is overpowering "male". Try combining male-suggesting words like baritone, deep-voiced, growly, Dave, Eric, Jackson, dude, guy, him

@modest coral The above comment should also help you as well.

I'm sorry that you're having a hard time, but if I can offer some helpful advice, it might be a good idea to find something more consistent than generative AI to use as a source of reliable therapy (especially if the therapy source is a stressor if it doesn't respond in a certain way).

I was a SUPER angry dude until I looked into my province's mental health support resources and was suggested to look into Mindfulness -- if you want a cool video to put on in the background, and to tell you everything that you already knew but didn't know how to put into words, Eckhart Tolle is a literal human-yoda.
https://ia601000.us.archive.org/33/items/ThePowerOfNowEckhartTolle_201806/The Power Of Now - Eckhart Tolle.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTFDfR47dl4

[modest coral]

I use the ".." not your word here, your other word here,

[austere dragon]

how the heck are you a "guide"? blocks should work on "guides" btw.

[frosty tinsel]

Hello, I have tried in 3 browsers, the first day it let me download .wav files but 3 days have passed and I have not been able to download the .wav file again, I don't know what is happening, that depresses me since I need the .wav file for myself job.

[austere dragon]

here let me see if I can fit this into my prompt: 'Powerful Deep MALEVOCALIST named Greg, MALE-VOCALIST, VOCALIST NAMED GREG, String Quartet Pop, Scottish Folk Pop, downtempo, obsessive, intellectual, hip hop beats'... I'm sure that will work. I know the team is busy, but boot this "guide".

[glacial scarab]

i would prefer if they boot people like you from the server

[austere dragon]

let me fix that for you

like not everyone is going to be happy and joyful about spending money each month just to waste it on credits that aren't giving you the results you want

[glacial scarab]

you where just told what your issue is and the only thing you did was getting hostile

how to get blocked 101

[austere dragon]

Also, when you report a bug, does it actually get reviewed?

[charred merlin]

Whoa now, everyone can block me if they'd like, there's enough disliking me to go around.

@austere dragon, let's try to stay friendly here in tech-discussions -- I've yet to hand out a timeout, and I don't want to be forced tidy up the corner and set up a stool (there's keyboard and guitars and stuff).

[charred merlin]

How the heck are you a "guide"?
Prolonged and constructive interactions with the community ❤️

Blocks should work on "guides" btw
Pretty sure they do? YUP! I'm not able to leave interactions on your posts, so you've definitely blocked me! Unfortunately, you're chatting in the one channel I've pretty much set up camp in, so I'll brew a cup of coffee for you and try to offer help any time you mosey on through this part of the woods.

[charred merlin]

https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1252656600770940968

There's an existing known-bug for this issue, but we haven't collected enough data to isolate the cause, as far as I know.

Upvoting the post I linked can help for visibility, but can I ask 1) if the same issue happens across every song, or is it primarily happening with just that song?

[frosty tinsel]

It happens to me in all the songs, the first day I subscribed I could download .wav format

[austere dragon]

💀

[charred merlin]

At this point I'm more confused about whether you want help using Discord's search features or Suno, because I'm happy to help you with either. You just need to ask politely, dude. ❤️

[glacial viper]

alright time for me to move here ig, its been 20 minutes since I first started trying. I've restarted my browser. I've refreshed the page. I've closed the tab and reopened it. I've cleared by cache and cookies, everything else on the site works completely fine, but the Create button is still not doing anything. I'm on firefox. theres no pop up warning about the prompt being bad, I've tried different prompts, I've tried simple prompts with custom turned off, I've given it time to generate. I have nothing in the generation queue, I have well more than enough credits. I'm not spam pushing the button, just occasionally pressing it after a minute of nothing happening. When i press it, the music not does the circle loading cycle, but then after a split second goes back to normal, that is the only feedback i have that the button is being pressed. I'm stumped with ideas of what to try. clearing cookies and cache caused me to need to log in again which also didnt work

[charred merlin]

Metatags don't go in the Style Prompt section.

Learn how to Suno before getting snippy and rude with the offered help.

[charred merlin]

Gonna try to throw a couple community playlists together now that Barnum & Bailey's has packed up, then this is top of my list 🙂

[glacial viper]

🙏 tyty, no rush tho

[viral lotus]

Application error: a client-side exception has occurred (see the browser console for more information).

[naive quail]

Just wanted to add... that's too long. 🙂

[daring bay]

getting errors while trying to generate lyrics

[charred merlin]

https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1259902708765167709 generate using free chatgpt, or use <1249 characters to generate, known bug

[untold briar]

This could happen because whatever you typed into the lyrics box is too confusing and it doesn't understand how to write a song about it, but also could just be a glitch.

[daring bay]

yeah I reduced the number of characters and not I'm getting a different error

its working now

[charred merlin]

Weird bug where the "generate lyrics" for v3.5 has limitations from v3 imposed on it -- glad you're up and running!

[charred merlin]

hrm... you've really run the gauntlet in terms of testing...

[charred merlin]

Apologies if you've tried any of these steps, or if you explained and I missed the comment, but I have a couple things I'd like you to try to further isolate?

1. what browser are you on?

[modest coral]

But am question is, have I been doing wrong?
I need to do ".." not coma, coma, so on

[glacial viper]

just a few updates:
I was using v3.5, i tried with v3 and the loading cycle lasted longer but absolutely nothing else new happened

I changed my vpn location and next I'll try turning my vpn off entirely

One thing i noticed in the console was "CORS request did not succeed" errors every time i try the generate button. As far as how relevant that is, i'm unsure.

[glacial viper]

I'm all ears !
I'm on Firefox

[charred merlin]

You just answered my second question, which is whether you're on VPN -- can you let me know if the issue persists without?

VPNs are very handy for keeping your internet activity secret, but sometimes they can interfere when websites expect everything to be handled "publicly"

[viral lotus]

You are correct: comma-separated. Not sure if "Male Middle Age Vocals" will work there or not. @charred merlin would have a better idea

[glacial viper]

Issue persists even with the VPN off

[modest coral]

but am confused! someone said use "..."

so what one do I use

[charred merlin]

Can you elaborate what issue you're experiencing? If you were asking for help earlier, the user "Jack" was being rude to me regarding the assistance I offered, so I might have not noticed the request ❤️

[viral lotus]

I don't think the quote marks " " will affect anything?

[modest coral]

they all sound drunk, and sluring, and very robotic! I GET it its ai..but i MEAN...really...bad! ITS LIKE those glitching you get on discord call where you cant hear the person robtic

[charred merlin]

@glacial viper Okay -- have you tried using a different browser like Edge or Chrome? (not that you should need to always use it, but as a test 🙂 )

[modest coral]

yep...I have two accounts always sgined one on fire fox and one on chrome

[charred merlin]

@modest coral Can you share an example of the vocal effects you're referring to?

[modest coral]

I delete them all

[charred merlin]

@charred merlin Sorry, I'll start tagging names, that was meant for a different user

[teal raft]

@charred merlin whoops tagged you

😏

[charred merlin]

@teal raft thanks bro ❤️

[charred merlin]

@modest coral This makes it almost impossible to do any investigation :\ They don't cause any problems from sitting unused in the library, so perhaps you could share some examples the next time you run into one?

[modest coral]

I also got a new one the another day. ..where it reword all my lryics, but kept the meaning of each on the same.
Like say it was

"My dog looked at me, and licked my face"
the render did

"Me canine saw as to me, also lapped me image"

[viral lotus]

Here's the result I got with your genres/styles: (note that I spent a LOT of time on these lyrics, so you better like them!): https://suno.com/song/91a6b22b-ecff-44e7-89de-9935ad3577cc

[modest coral]

wtf lol

[glacial viper]

this is a little different from what you asked me to try, mainly because i dont have another browser set up at the moment on my pc, But i did just log in on the mobile app, and tried to generate a random song

[viral lotus]

and yes, the singers for these genres have probably been drinking

[charred merlin]

@modest coral Separating the style prompts with "..." or "," shouldn't make a differene, but the more style prompts you try to use at once, the less control you'll have over the resulting sound -- if you need, break your request into separate extensions

[modest coral]

But now picture that for all my lryics, lol I wanted to keep it..for sure wtf moment but some how it removed itself 😦

[viral lotus]

What do you mean by "separate extensions"?

[charred merlin]

@modest coral Hrm, would genuinely have been interested in seeing that, as that would have been the first "hallucination" to that degree I'd heard of with Suno.

[viral lotus]

Very funny...was it in this type of style?

[modest coral]

I KNOW! LOL...
Like...in all fairness it kept the same meaning of the word...but...not lol

[modest coral]

It was under,

[modest coral]

I KNOW! I am so pissed it deleted itself!!!

I was first sad, but crying with laugher

[charred merlin]

@glacial viper Well heck -- always an exciting day when I see a NEW (to me) error message

[viral lotus]

you've been having problems with disappearing songs? I had a lot of problems two or three days ago

[charred merlin]

@modest coral Again there must be something going on, because songs don't delete themselves usually. Do you have any more information to share about this?

[viral lotus]

That's what I was talking to you about the other day...files were moving themselves into the trash that I definitely did not delete

[modest coral]

I also made mistake deleted ones I WANTED TO KEEP. and didnt click the "undo" fast enough..I WISH we had real 30 days to get it out of the trash

[glacial viper]

in their defense, if you thumbs down a song it will delete, which is something i dont like about the feedback system. Sometimes you want to keep a bad output because its funny, but it will remove it if you give feedback

unless thats changed i havent thumbs downed anything in a long time

[charred merlin]

@glacial viper It doesn't get deleted, it's removed from visibility in the "create" screen, afaik

[modest coral]

nope. Just so upset! AS I LOVE YOU GUYS!!! And I made some hella bangers, but now..
I feels like very drugged and drunk robots are singing my songs always now lol
which was humorous at first..but now, it's each time! lol

[glacial viper]

I feel like since it was across different devices it might be account specific :/ but i have no idea why that would be, I'm just gonna wait it out for a bit unless theres new ideas

[glacial viper]

Ohh wait so they stay in the library tab or something??

[charred merlin]

@glacial viper getting some second opinions on this before I chuck more ideas at you to try -- sounds like you've considered a lot of the basic stuff I usually ask, so I'm flying it up the flagpole ❤️

[viral lotus]

No, you are thinking of the wrong genre. This song is sung by drunk and drugged robots: https://suno.com/song/463a672c-070e-47bb-b10f-49b77b792803

[modest coral]

Ya like one my verses is
"Oh my darling daughter of death"

It be "errrrrhh meeee dooooing daug-HE!-her of death"

[charred merlin]

@viral lotus I appreciate you bringing that to my attention again -- just recently was appointed to "Guide" so I have a bit more flexibility on helping with known-bugs, etc.

I'll need to be keeping an eye out for these types of things. With 400k users, there's always bound to be a few people experiencing the same quirks as one another, but it's when they start becoming 1) reproducible, or 2) a large enough trend based on the numbers that it can't be ignored

@modest coral on a related note, didn't mean to imply that you did anything for the song to disappear -- I just try to keep a grounded approach before investating stuff as "weird", but I appreciate you bringing the "weirdness" to our attention ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

[modest coral]

I cant write drunken speak but you get it

am trying to go for this sound...its trad folk I know but its not working...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuQynKlj-ms

[glacial viper]

the ONLY thing i've done differently today on my end is email Nedi that the detailed feedback buttons never appeared, which were supposed to appear 2 weeks ago (i thought i sent the email sooner but i forgot to hit send) but i dont think thats what caused this. i just want to pass along to you all the info I have relating to my problem

[charred merlin]

@glacial viper, if the issue has persisted longer than a couple hours, I'd advise emailing --- just read your last message, email [e-mail] and let them know what's up -- sounds like they tried to flag your account for a testing feature and something might have got borked

[modest coral]

but I get this odd unplug conuty sound instead

[viral lotus]

Wow, I generated two completely different songs within ten minutes of each other and they got the same title.

[charred merlin]

lol, simple mode be like that sometimes

Dominus, we love~~ hearts~~ love around here 🙂

❤️

[viral lotus]

yeah, i know why, but I was surprised because the title was "waltz of the forgotten"...not the least generic title, but the LLM doesn't choose those words THAT often

[modest coral]

I love how you replied with hearts too!
I do that too, when people think I may be being..A$$ or a dismissive,since text is so misunderstood..

so when I forget to do it sometimes my friends freak out like "WHAT DID I DO!" as I know my lingo too

and am like OH AM SO SORRY LOL

OH! I have another question? I know this page is pg13.
But I have made some songs, with taboo themes, close to that game of thrones/house of the dragon.
base off my own dark fantasay story, that Iam writing can I share it? or just keep it to myself..the lryics still pg13, its implied.

I just realized this wrong place to ask! I though this was full on all FAQs

[elfin kestrel]

Because the original song generated by suno (from which i want to extend) has an outro in the lyrics prompt, i can't extend more than 10sec. Anyone got this problem? I've put others "lyrics" prompt to extend as much as possible but it doesn't follow the directive, it just want to end... How can i force to continue and let it forget the original outro?

[modest coral]

@charred merlin ❤️ I realize I cant find any other section for this question. so I just ask it here, after all ❤️

[elfin kestrel]

Ok seems like i found a roundabout for my problem, i switched from 3.5 to 3.0 model, it extended for 50sec, more than the 10 previous seconds.

[viral lotus]

@charred merlin I finished and posted "They'll Miss You (Suno Blues)" that I PMed you last night.

[modest coral]

hows this?

Male Vocals, Bardcore, trad folk, slow waltz, Gothic,

Debating on adding classical, cinematic soundtrack

[loud gyro]

For rap songs how do yall prompt it to make it go fast

[charred merlin]

YO! No wrong questions, as long as you're being respectful of the other guests, you're always welcome at the pool party that is #📚┃suno-school 🙂

[modest coral]

NICE!

https://tenor.com/view/celebrating-party-pool-gif-21708423

me! but replace with my huge nessie flotie that I DO OWN

[charred merlin]

@modest coral Oooh! https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1258142078676762755 Someone suggested a Lyrics channel -- while I'd be way too self conscious to share my own work, if you "upvote" the post I just linked then we can get an idea of how many users are interested 🙂

[modest coral]

can I link you the lryics see if its ok to share?

[charred merlin]

Sorry, my brain was made of wood -- I forgot to mention it was just a user's request for the mods to include a "lyrics" channel ❤️

[modest coral]

its fine lol. but can I dm you my actual lryics..to see if it passes the TOS for the server?

[modest coral]

@charred merlin

[exotic gust]

hey y’all is it possible to keep the same music but just change lyrics?

[charred merlin]

Sorry, all over the place tonight ❤️ I'm not officially on-team for Suno, but I think as long as ChatGPT doesnt flag it as "inappropriate" than it's okay (since they use similar systems, I believe)

[charred merlin]

Not currently if you're solely using Suno -- perhaps this feature will existing in an upcoming model like v4 🤞

[glacial viper]

i went out and did some stuff and came back, figured I would update you to tell you absolutely nothing has changed. Also I assumed since Nedi hasn't responded to my original email, that the testing feature issue actually worked on, but that's probably poor speculation on my part considering it seems the most likely cause of my problems.

Anywho, just to clarify, I should message [e-mail] about the generation issues with my account? Or should I follow up my email to Nedi with another one explaining the situation? Or do I just leave it for the time being and await a response to my original email to Nedi and see if it all fixes itself by then?

(sorry for bothering you so much especially with basic questions like these, I just want to make sure I'm taking the appropriate steps, Also thank you for your help thus far)

[amber vigil]

do you think they will ever explain the filtering? I’m getting pretty discouraged that my songs don’t even show up in New.

I haven’t even dared to dream of Trending yet.

I know i should create just for the love of it. And also true: i want to be seen as it warms my needy little heart.

[charred merlin]

Not bothering! And absolutely not basic at all ❤️ Sorry my responses are sporadic today, lots happening 🙂

I'd recommend going right to [e-mail] since that's specifically for account related stuff -- [e-mail] is more general, and while @muted summit likely would be able to solve something, I feel like just name-dropping her in your email to billing should perk their attention to a degree (plus her time is so valuable I feel bad for even pinging her just now 😅)

[charred merlin]

I completely understand -- in addition to knowing that other people get the chance to hear your music, part of the fun of "New" and "Trending" to me is just that it feels nice seeing your name and chosen picture up there beside some of the "community celebs", and hoping that people might like something about your song enough that you could join in on the fun in the same way.

I'm not in a position to do (or really say) very much on the matter, but I know that "fairness" and "transparency" are words I'm seeing thrown around a lot, and it's making me happy to have picked the right server to hang out in.

Agreed that things need to change to some degree with the website to make things equally fun & fair for all users, ideally without sacrificing consideration for any particular group (lurkers, users, & super-users considered equally ❤️ )

That being said -- positive, constructive feedback in #🚧┃suggestions-layout as well as upvoting any existing ideas in #1252298754787377225 that you would like to see, those are the most impactful ways to help Suno ❤️

[gusty socket]

can i use suno in discord?

||sorry,can i use suno in discord?||

[amber vigil]

thanks - i love your positive and informative vibe btw. Keep it up. Your efforts are appreciated. People probably don't tell you that as much as they are feeling it.

[charred merlin]

Unfortunately not anymore 😅 Chirp has been discontinued (but now it's fully-fledged Suno.com!, and Bark has been open-sourced (this means you can run it on your own computer or elsewhere on the web! https://github.com/suno-ai/bark)

[hollow furnace]

getting 404 errors on individual song links when I'm not logged in, even from home page

[modest coral]

<SONG_DETAILS>
[GENRES: ]
[SOUNDS LIKE: ]
[STYLE: ]
[MOOD: ]
[VOCALS: ]
[TEMPO: ]
[ PRODUCTION: ]
STRUCTURE: ]
Just found this temp, but I have questions! ❤️

[charred merlin]

Thanks Foggy ❤️ A lot of places on the internet suck and even good places can start to suck if people don't take care of them, so I like fostering a cool group of people here. Thanks for being on of them ❤️

[modest coral]

What is difference from mood, style, to Gen...

[charred merlin]

@modest coral Without going into too much detail, it's all wishful thinking. Don't worry about copying other people's prompts exactly because unless they can explain every style prompt /metatag they're adding and why, it's all garbage. -- strongly worded personal opinion. There's a long list of people who feel this way( myself, @unique stone @naive quail (i might need to start an official list of people willing to call out BS when they see it), but YMMV--

[modest coral]

ah!

as I tested on a throw away account just now

it worked nice

[charred merlin]

And you're certain that they 100% gave you control over the direction of the song, or it added "prompt noise" to an already "random" generation?

[modest coral]

I post that temp in the lyric section paired with my lryics ... and didn't do anything in the music choice box..

[charred merlin]

Same message applies. You can't code / command Suno like a computer -- you talk to it like a natural LLM

[modest coral]

maybe am not understanding can you explaining differently what you mean ❤️

[untold briar]

Big big picture, ignoring this example or template specfically, [using words brackets in the lyrics] is a very useful tool, especially in V3.5 The laziest possible version of this is literally copying and pasting your style prompt into brackets at the top of your lyrics (I do this a lot, as a fan of lazy solutions.) The effect is not large, but it's sort of like nudging the dial up or down a bit on the style prompt alone. (Down in the case where you do this, and then blank out your original style prompt).

So I would just say generally, don't be afraid to try [descriptive words in brackets] in your lyrics. If you want to be scientific about this, what I do is test these things with a fully blanked out style prompt. This way it is clear what effect the [lyrics brackets] are having compared to the style prompt itself. (This is complicated by the fact that even regular lyrics, as in the words being sung, influence the music style. So it is still often tricky to tease out the effects!)

[amber vigil]

@modest coral adding my two cents on … i would describe a general vibe and remember that suno is like a collaborative partner who has really good musical sense. Suno is going to take your suggestions (and lyrics if you write them) and say “ok ok … i think i see where this can go … what do you think of this?”

And be prepared for suno to deliver something that may not be what you wanted specifically or expected, but sounds dope af all the same.

[charred merlin]

There is no way to 100% GUARANTEE something by "entering a command" like genre : happy mood : elated bpm :120 because Suno does not take instructions like a computer.

Many people dislike me because I tell them they are "making things up" because they enter 100 "commands" at once, disregard the 95 commands that were ignored, then point to the 5 commands they pay attention to and say " LOOK IT WORKED!" without being able to exlain HOW YOU COULD DO IT YOURSELF. If you ask, they just link to their song and say "just do what I did 😏 " because they don't know how they did it -- they rolled the dice

[untold briar]

Oh for testing, spam is great too. [happy][happy][happy][happy][happy][happy][happy][happy][happy][happy][happy][happy][happy] could be more obvious. 😄

[modest coral]

maybe i should dm you explain what am trying to do then? as am sure less is better...

then having 1,000 key words

i already knew that i DO JANAI CHAT RP BOT TOO trust me it gets odd too

[untold briar]

I've had almost no success from BPM prompts, but it's plausible prompting for BPM has a positive influence on the music style in genres that are typically described with a song BPM like EDM.

[charred merlin]

Less is better -- start small so you have a reasonable idea of what the output will be -- small input = predicatable output > large input = unpredictable output -- both are VERY good tools, but good for different jobs. Knife vs hammer

[amber vigil]

why do you think so many feel they do know the rules and “tricks”?

Is it simple confirmation bias?

I was speaking to someone the other day that told me a tag to use to drop a beat. They shared a song and said “see? It works”

I’ve got good ears for music usually … there was no beat drop. That’s just one example ofc.

[modest coral]

am looking for this gothic waltzing. trad folk feel...it hard to explain

for this certain song

[charred merlin]

Because it feels better to understand than to be lost -- humans crave pattern recognition to cope with lack of control https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia -- not a perfect comparison, but I hope you can see where I'm coming from? -- I feel like thats the wrong phenomenon...

[untold briar]

Big big big picture - remember you don't have to figure it out yourself. Click on the style tags on the suno website and browse other people's prompts and listen to what they did!

[modest coral]

I made couple renders but am still not happy yet

https://suno.com/song/7e32143b-0ec8-4119-9008-85c0ad7803d3
https://suno.com/song/5c6ac6aa-5922-47cd-9030-7b3563872a0a
https://suno.com/song/f2c37ea2-be06-4b68-be8d-3c7467e67c71

but still not right to me

[charred merlin]

Are there specific sections of audio that you're showing to give an example at a specific time stamp, or just to listen to for consideration?

[modest coral]

and lot of them do have talk over and drunken syndrome too

[modest coral]

this is style am trying to get, but dont render but you guys know what soid name for it

so I make one post then so many

[untold briar]

I'm not sure what exactly you're aiming for so I can't really give specific advice, but as a general workflow, if one particular element of the song is lacking, try repeating the style word or words associated it. Even repeating more than twice.

Second tip: consider removing broad musical style words like metal. These have a very strong effect and may be pushing the music away from a more niche genre like bardcore. If you want a bardcore/metal hybrid, then repeating the other words as suggested above can work though.

[modest coral]

listen to them and tell of what I created if does have a solid name to it

so am not writing, 1000 words IN MUSIC box

[amber vigil]

i feel that. When I first started here (lo those long 17 days ago), i was tagging up a storm to CONTROL the output. I soon realized it wasn’t doing anything really with a great reliability.

My brain doesn't like that. So i changed gears to look at Suno as a buddy and not a tool. I can’t control my friends when i do creative things with them - i collaborate, not control.

Now I put in minimal prompts usually and focus on lyrical flow. And i can control that pretty well if i make a pleasing flow and suno agrees. If it doesn’t, I listen to how it changed things and then I will adjust to my liking (taking suno’s changes into consideration). That usually prevents suno from messing with my lyrics.

(Sorry - not sure that process needed to be spelled out. I’m sure others do the same)

[last iris]

FYI only the share link to song doesn’t work in the app, there’s a work around if you email you can copy the link that way 🥳

[charred merlin]

Just getting back now -- could you remove the video embeds to keep the chat tidy? 🍻 --edit oops, I didn't mean to delete the videos, I just meant to hide the pictures so it didn't take up a lot of space!

[untold briar]

Link reposted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxqKZ9xKjTg

Hmn that song has a theremin right? I get that a lot by using horror/spooky prompts: https://suno.com/song/5adc58c8-f2ee-40a5-a405-eadba4babf31

Here [spooky spoken whispering whispers] seems to be prompting the theremin, pretty cool! For the technical prompt lovers, check out time 1:52 for overlapping vocals.

[charred merlin]

Love you Jonathan

@modest coral It is equally powerful to use "simple" prompts and "complex" prompts

             is just as good as
vibrato-viola, crescendoing vocals overtop thematic bass, evocative

Key is start small so you understand each word you use

When I make a song, I often use "indie math-rock, sleepy" as a "base" because I PERSONALLY am comfortable with those -- I've used those 2 consistently in a lot of different songs, so I know what indie can reasonably give me, I know what math-rock can give as a result, sleepy is just a "prompt decoration" to try to counteract the craziness that math-rock gives so it's more focused on creative timing instead of obnoxious guitar solos 24/7.

That being said, if someone goes "OH! theharber. says that indie math-rock, sleepy works!" and then uses indie math-rock, sleepy, edm, bpm 120, masterpiece swirling panoramic THX the audience is listening Deep Noise, I have NO IDEA how it will turn out, and anyone who claims to know is lying, or understands AI more than the people who develop it.

But it's not fun to start small and experiment or get things wrong, so I understand. That's why I'm trying to add Prompt Example Playlists to #1256301881966198805 to get it started so people can listen to SIMPLE examples, ask questions, and help eachother LEARN ❤️ 🍻 This pool party is all about positivity, encouragement, and dad-jokes

[modest coral]

I wish I found diffent gothic music and dark folk styles to mess with

was looking on the website for ideas. I found this getting close to what I want
https://suno.com/song/e0649cc2-243e-43f4-a578-0fef6b37e902

[modest coral]

this so screams "company of wolves" theme for that cult film!

[outer monolith]

Links to other discords not working?

sorry

[charred merlin]

We don't allow links to other discords shared publicly -- if you want to post a link, you can request that a moderator share your link (if there's a good reason)

[outer monolith]

No I mean sharing my song to another discord

[charred merlin]

Oh, the embeded videos are currently down -- they're working on a fix as we speak -- the song link still works, and if you download the video you can still post them ❤️

[outer monolith]

AHHH cool thanks bud!

Love the site

amazing

[charred merlin]

It's just... stupid good. I don't even get it, man.

Like, this was all science fiction magic 2 years ago.

[outer monolith]

I am a good singer and writer but no musical ability

[teal raft]

Still sitting down on my computer and running midjourney or stable diffusion or Suno and just going "lmao magic!!!"

[outer monolith]

and have a healthy imagination

I have made songs that would have NEVER been written

well with help

[charred merlin]

My friend -- the future is now.
#📚┃suno-school message

Use Suno to create a song -- use bandlab splitter to remove vocals, then bandlab studio to record you singing THE SAME VOCALS YOU JUST REMOVED

[viral lotus]

@charred merlin When I give links out to songs, the links are not working...at least on cell phone. Is that a known problem? Three different people with different links.

[outer monolith]

wow

[charred merlin]

~~Can you define "not working"~~By "not working", you mean the video, yeah? The embedded videos are currently down (very recently, and they're working on a fix), but you should still be able to share the link to the page

[outer monolith]

yes

[charred merlin]

Or if you download the video directly you can share it in the meantime

[viral lotus]

It's the song pages themselves:

[charred merlin]

Can you share the link to me in DM?

~~ Known Bug Discovered mobile links opening to 404~~bug thoroughly obliterated by z

[viral lotus]

funny that no one has reported that yet...it's been four or five days since my first problem.

This is probably TOTALLY unrelated, but I had the same problem with a TickTock video. Even when I clicked the link I had pasted in WhatsApp, it just went to the front page. Maybe it's an Internet-wide conspiracy.

Someone gave me a link to a funny video and I got through only 1:30 of it (out of 5:00+) before I had to turn it off because I was sick and it was so funny that I coughed for 20 minutes non-stop.

[charred merlin]

I have a feeling it may have been unrelated as I feel like there would have been more of an emerging trend, but it's still helpful to know you've been wrestling with this for a bit.

I may follow up with you at some point in the future to check in & see if everything's loading as expected, if that's cool?

[viral lotus]

Of course! You are so overly polite. 🙂

@charred merlin I am thinking about going back through a lot of these discord messages on this channel to pick up tips and tricks. Is there any useful information in this channel before the date that version 3.5 was released?

[charred merlin]

Quick note -- can you check if links are still busted?

[viral lotus]

yes one moment

Mine works; however, I never checked the link to see if it was broken for me.

[charred merlin]

The people who were reporting it busted are able to see it?

the links that weren't working before are working now on my end, I just wanted to double check with your reports (if they're still around?)

[viral lotus]

Sorry, they are offline now.

[charred merlin]

That's all good man, looks like it's been fixed now, but hit me up at any time if you get that 404 randomly like you did before.

[viral lotus]

one of my friends told me that the site asked for the title of a song...the other sent me the 404

OK, will do, thank you

[amber vigil]

@charred merlin - i have several suggestions to make. I don’t understand the protocol / process to a) search for existing suggestions (to make sure I don’t dounle up) and b) add a suggestion.

Do i simply put them in suggestions browser channel? And search there too? It doesn’t seem like many things are in the known suggestions tab. I upvoted the ones i agreed with.

[charred merlin]

🎉 3 Cheers for @amber maple who 1) confirmed the bug reports you all helped gather, 2) investigated the matter, and 3) pushed out a fix all within 22 minutes 🥳
Mobile browser links are fixed -- the 404 has been 404'ed!

[viral lotus]

damn

that's service

[charred merlin]

z HATES bugs.

I particularly don't like the little squiggly ones.

[viral lotus]

I guess I don't have to go on a rampage and harrass you for hosting a bugged app

🤣

[charred merlin]

#1252298754787377225 are where we've collected ideas that have been suggested a number of times (it's been a bit since we've tidied, but that's one of the new things I'm able to do as a guide, so I'm trying to slowly work into my role, starting here where I'm most comfortable and seeing if the locals are receptive ❤️ ) -- easiest way to interact with them is by adding to the "first reaction" of each post -- other reactions help show dynamic support, but the main thing is getting the first number up high so it's immediately eye-catching to devs so they know how many people want it (or at least a sample size)

[viral lotus]

where is that?

oh at the top...got it

[charred merlin]

#1252292428258480209 similarly should be a first stop for anything weird happening to see if we're already aware of it and investigating -- for the most part, adding a reaction to the post describing your issue is a good way to get visibility on the issue -- if you want to help investigate the issue further, ask myself or one of the other guides/mods if there's any expected bug report for that issue -- NOTE TO SELF - update known-bugs with requested bug submission forms as demonstrated by nedi ❤️

As for contributing further, same logic for upvoting any existing ideas (a bit harder when it's such a long ongoing conversation, but any supportive interactions, especially those with well rationed explanations that go beyond emotional reaction / personal preference go a LOT further than you'd think)

#💡┃suggestions-web for anything related specifically to Suno on the browser, whether it's features you want added, anything about the website you want added, things you think could be done differently, etc -- upvoting existing content, promoting friendly conversation, and encouraging others to elaborate on WHY they want changes so we can build on each other's good ideas

#📱┃suggestions-ios for anything related to the Suno iOS app with the same considerations as above

#🚧┃suggestions-layout started off as a place to corral all of the anger and chaos that ensued from the recent UI change so the other channels could have a quantum of rest and solace, and now it's a place for people to discuss ideas for how they'd like the specific UI of the website and app to look -- a lot of GREAT creative designs, people sharing mock-ups, a surprising amount of in-depth discussion as grown out of there, and it's really neat to see.

#🪲┃bugs-web for anything wonky on a browser

#📱┃bugs-ios for anything wonky on the iOS app

@amber vigil ^

[elfin storm]

Thanks for contacting Suno Support!

You may have used up all your daily free credits today, which prevents you from creating more songs. Free subscribers receive 50 credits per day, so you can make your very own song with Suno. If you would like to get more credits you can upgrade your subscription to Pro or Premier.

Reply to the email as soon as possible

[charred merlin]

I would like to clarify, is this a question, or are you asking me to reply to an email?

[viral lotus]

@charred merlin why aren't those channels visible by default?

[charred merlin]

As with most Discord servers, you need to opt-in to specific channels through the Browse Channels button -- you can then pin whatever channels you want to have visible at all times

[elfin storm]

previous questions, replies to emails like that

[viral lotus]

I've used Discord forever, but still don't know much about it lol

[charred merlin]

There's so many things I'm learning about. Just learned today that ctrl + alt + shift + w in discord is pretty awesome when you're dealing with difficult people

SPEAKING OF WHICH naw, I'm kidding, love you Kaker -- I'm glad we're becoming unlikely pals ❤️

[amber vigil]

thank you! Honestly i thought “suggestions browser” was some sort of place to flip through suggestions, not a channel of people discussing suggestions for the browser experience. Lol

[charred merlin]

I'm sorry that the email support hasn't been able to assist you the way you were expecting -- while I am not "official" support, I can recommend that you gather all of your thoughts, along with dates & times of each email, and send a reply email stating something to the following;

Dear Suno Support,

I have contacted you regarding my inability to use the "Create" button. This issue has persisted for {THIS MANY} days with no change in functionality.
Here is a list of previous response I have received from Suno Support;
  -{EMAIL 1 Date / Time}
  -{EMAIL 2 Date / Time}
  -{EMAIL 3 Date / Time}

I do not believe the issue is caused by lack of available credits, as the following picture shows 50 credits are available on my account;
{ATTACHED PICTURE OF CREDIT BALANCE}

I am requesting further information about the status of my request, what I should expect as the next step, and if there is an expected timeline for resolution at this moment.

Thank you,
{@Muji Kasan}

You will need to rewrite the sections in {brackets}, and it always helps to rewrite content in your own phrasing -- but this should help serve as a template to request more information and inform Suno Email Support you are not satisfied with the level of assistance they are providing you with. ❤️

[charred merlin]

I'd be lying if I said that same thought doesn't occur to me on a regular basis, but since the web app available through the browser more or less is the main way to use Suno, it basically is just a flipbook of general ideas 🤣

[viral lotus]

LOL damn @charred merlin THAT'S some customer service.

[charred merlin]

❤️ love you guys

[viral lotus]

@charred merlin I'm thinking about going back through this channel and discovering all the awesome tips and tricks in here. Would there be any extra-useful information prior to the date that version 3.5 was released? Or can I concentrate on only after that date?

sorry if you answered this already, didn't see it

[elfin storm]

Thank you for the information, I'm confused writing that email. Thank you for the information as much as possible

[charred merlin]

Sorry I missed that man, I was about to dig into it then you helped me pin down that 404

[charred merlin]

ChatGPT can be very helpful!

[elfin storm]

Okay

[charred merlin]

Explain your issue to chatgpt (be as messy in talking to it as you want, talk for as long as you want, give as much information), then at the end, add the email template I shared, and ask ChatGPT to "format my ideas into this template" and it will help -- remember to include the dates of earlier emails (07/15/2024 06:30pm example), and a picture of your credits (showing 50, but "create is blurred out")

Ask - "If you need more information from me -- please ask"

I am sorry this stressful issue has happened for so many days

[viral lotus]

I can't live without chatgpt anymore. I would have withdrawals.

[charred merlin]

I'm sure there's lots of great stuff back then, people have been sharing tips and tricks here for ages. There's a tip that a dev shared kicking around here somewhere, 1 sec...
#🪲┃bugs-web message
I'd treat each model as a newborn kid. You would teach and grow each kid similarly but also differently based on their personalities, talents, etc... - tony

I got a bit goofy leaning into that analogy the last time it was brought up 😛
#📚┃suno-school message

[charred merlin]

I don't realize how much I rely on it until it goes down, then it's like when the power dies at nighttime;

"Damn, well I guess no more video games, but I can aways just watch t-- never mind. I guess I'll just eat my boredom and cook up som-- okay then, electric stove... I guess I could flick on the reading lamp an-- okay seriously? Okay, I'll just pout and go to bed early."

[viral lotus]

I'd treat each model as a newborn kid. You would teach and grow each kid similarly but also differently based on their personalities, talents, etc... -

This is why I was asking...doubtful that there is enough useful information to find

[charred merlin]

Rambles aside -- while they're drastically different in their own ways in terms of the outputs they can create, and what kinds of strengths and weaknesses they have, anything you learn about 1 model helps with using the other.

If it helps narrow down some of the thousands of posts, some names of really helpful individuals that I owe a lot to -- off the top of my head, and legitimate apologies if I'm forgetting anyone obvious that contributed -- @unique stone @mystic flume @naive quail @hollow hare ANY of the mods,

[viral lotus]

@charred merlin Do you know of any great sites for: 1. Learning the ins and outs of Suno, from beginner to advanced user?; and 2. Comprehensive guide to writing lyrics with chatgpt/claude?

[charred merlin]

Au contraire, almost too much useful information to find -- the trick is that the tips often aren't written in outright "guide" form, but are presented as carefully thought out responses to people's questions, or in the detail that they put into their answers or methodologies. To simply look at their prompts and "copy them" would simplify beyond the matter and you'd miss out on all of the helpful tips they've explained.

[viral lotus]

Yes, I understand, but information on how to technically use version 2 isn't going to so useful (?)

[charred merlin]

1. #1252267444773326848 is a great place to get started, and has workflows of varying degrees and topics, #1151542418991239168 for "starter guides"
2. Personally I don't use LLM for lyric writing, but try to count syllables and consider the flow of how I would sing it (trained as a vocalist / lyricist, so I'm particular with delivery)
   "3". v2 is kept around more as a "curiosity" -- it can make some cool tunes, and it still has the "skeleton" of what eventually became v3. I'd advise using v2 more near the end of your credit cycle before they reset so you can play around with it while not worrying about "wasting credits" -- the V3x models are exceptionally better as a pair compared to v2, but I'd never completely write it off. I might be misremembering, but I feel like @final hazel mentioned that she uses it for "club music" or something similar?

If I'm entirely misremembering, just leave a goofy reaction Daizy 😛 ❤️

@stray bolt ❤️

[stray bolt]

Thanks @charred merlin

[charred merlin]

Putting a space after the hashtag makes it want to format it as headline text, and the old man gets grumpy because he ALWAYS TURNS HIS HEARING AID UP AS LOUD AS IT GOES

[viral lotus]

Very helpful, didn't know about #1252267444773326848

[charred merlin]

To answer the question from the picture, that's on my list for Prompt Experiment Playlists I'm adding to my workflow page ^

A lot of people ask for reliable ways to guarantee specific vocal styles, and it's definitely a sticking point -- particularly when people try to achieve specific vocal tones in a one-shot generation in addition to all of their desired style lyrics/tags/styles, when each of those can contribute equally to the output (vocal style, genre, length, etc)

All I can suggest at the moment is that "male vocals" or "male verse" seems to be a crapshoot, and giving specific "thematic prompts" can influence that a lot more than explicitly asking for "male vocals" (especially since "male" might get ignored or overpowered by vocals, which in itself can mean any type of singing, even high pitched falsetto male), so preceding a block of lyrics with a metatag like [growled],[aggressive],[baritone],[powerful], etc might imply "male vocals", although it's NOT IMPOSSIBLE that female vocals could be presented the exact same way.

As with every suggestion I give -- start off focusing on the intro to the song and as soon as it 1) "does something bad" or 2) "stops being good", go back a couple seconds, place an extension point, and create a new extension to stitch together afterward using "Get Whole Song". Using this method, you can break the song creation down into smaller and smaller chunks to gain granular control over the song's output as you continue to guide and influence every continuing extension.

[stiff sable]

just read this and had to respond:: lot of things i make with suno are a lot catchier than most of the things i generally listen to in spotify lol. ive been producing music and writing my own songs for years now, and started taking it "seriously" a couple of years ago but suno allows me to convert all my drafts immediately into an idea and within a couple of attempts, it always delivers me smthn way better than i could've imagined alone that i can use as a jumping point for creating the full song myself. and the fact that i still wrote it and get to produce it with full creative say means so much to me, its like having the most helpful assistant i could ask for. im super happy to say im a musician who can embrace AI than turn my nose up at it. 🙌

[full lava]

Got an odd question.

Lets say you created a song before you paid for a subscription.

If i were to extend the song at the 00:01 second mark, would i have the right to copyright it?

Same scenario but i cut out the 1 second?

Kinda crossed my mind as it says we own the copyright to anything during our subscription time but since we "extended" a song from before our subscription (to recreate it) how would that fall?

[small parrot]

What tips can I write to sing China's Peking Opera accent?

[solid tundra]

Hello all, I was curious if anyone has had success with a negative prompt. I’m trying to do a voiced over microtonal-like harmonies song like Hide and Seek by Imogen Heap. If I don’t put “a cappella”, it has instruments, if I do add “a cappella” (with or without some adjective trying to mitigate it sounding like Disney Does A Cappella), it has voices doing sounds, instead of just layered voices. I put “ no instruments” “ instrument-less” and the like. For example: “haunting, microtonal harmonies, over laid voices, no instruments, instrumental-less. Voices only”.
So to reiterate, any tips on how to negative prompt correctly?

[amber vigil]

I believe it is in the suggestions queue - you should vote for it

#1253341197917884530 message

just give it a thumbs up

[solid tundra]

I appreciate it, I sent my reaction

[untold briar]

Microtonal overlayed harmonies is pretty ambitious and there may not be an easy answer. I've heard both in the model, but usually more of an accident than on purpose.

But in general you can't "negative prompt" like that using grammar. "No Vocals" will just increase chance of vocals. You might see prompt like "anti-piano" and this often makes very interesting music, but it's still going increase the chances of an actual piano, it's not a negative piano.

The most straightforward approach is to layer on the positive words, repeat them, maybe try a few dashes. However this does depend on those style words actually doing the right thing, and that isn't something I have tested. But assuming "microtonal" does work repeat with slight variations: "microtonal, microtonal-harmonies, haunting, microtonal-vocals"

For "a cappella" specifically it could work either way. Adding "a capella" will give you Disney Does A Capella song effect, but it will also greatly increase the chances of vocals only. So maybe if you also add a lot of anti-Disney-A-Capella style works, you can counteract that musical style, and still retain the influence on getting vocals only.

Off the top of my head I might throw in prompts with generally make Suno more experimental. Which could be literally "experimental" or "field-recording" or maybe "Avant-garde"

Lastly, overlaying voices is very quicky. I often try to write lyrics in multiple formats at the same time. As a random example:

I'm the first voice (and I'm the second voice) [and I'm the third voice even though I technically should (not be singing)] and we're (singing a [song together as three voices))

Another odd overlapping lyrics trick is to try using some lyrics in your style prompt, haunting, microtonal harmonies, "I'm singing in the style prompt". This is a recipe for hallucinations (incorrect lyrics) but... sometimes those hallucinations have overlapping voices. I posted an example by coindence just a few pages up in this channel #📚┃suno-school message

I don't have music background, but I'm not certain Hide and Seek by Imogen Heap is microtonal in the typical sense people use that word. It's a vocoder or harmonizer, according to wikipedia, but is it microtonal?

There is a microtonal version of it from Jacob Collier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef70eNkSlio

I tried a couple Imogen Heap style prompts. Not great, but maybe some ideas you can build on. You can sort of blow away the a-acapella. Maybe could work better with [a-capella] in the lyrics and not in the style?

https://suno.com/song/3fb3b6cd-bc9f-4669-b6a0-1107996e1076 barbershop-quartet-folktronica, harmonizer-vocals, folktronica, ballad, vocoder-folktronica, harmonizer, vocoder
https://suno.com/song/7a171794-3fe9-4331-8adc-f98b227bbf49 a-cappella, folktronica, ballad, harmonizer-vocals, folktronica, ballad, vocoder-folktronica harmonizer, vocoder

Finished out this test prompt into a real song, though it only dips into Imogen Heap around 1:30 really https://suno.com/song/532d92b5-9495-4393-ad45-26cef20c646f

[robust tangle]

Same here, after uploading audio final step hangs with Network Error message...

[astral flame]

if i made songs when i had a subscription but dont have a subscription anymore do i still have the General commercial terms?

[untold briar]

On those songs you made when you had it, yes

[astral flame]

thank you.

also, was the mp3 and wav download option just removed? i no longer see it.

[untold briar]

I'm not sure, but the wav download specifically is a pro feature, so that might go away. But you should still be able to down mp3 or mp4 (video)

[astral flame]

ok. then thats what it is. i am not on pro right now. now i get it. thank you!

[ocean grotto]

I'm trying to find information of API from Suno, but cant find anything at all, is there any word at all on this, or are they not doing an API in the future?

[charred merlin]

“ everything is working properly — you’re sending too many requests” basically

Can you elaborate on what you’re doing to receive this message?

Are you receiving this when attempting to simply click “Create” through Suno.com?

[charred merlin]

“Copyright” isn’t something that Suno guarantees explicitly — they give you any ownership that they had over your generated content if you have a paid plan, but they explicitly state in the ToS that they make no guarantees that the works will be able to be copyrighted —

I’ll share the specific links or screenshots later “when I’m up”, but essentially “ai and copyright is changing so fast Suno can’t guarantee anything legally besides the fact that they grant any “ownership they had” to you.

You still need to be able to make your own legal claim for copyright.

If you use 3 seconds of The Beatles and turn it into your own song — could McCartney issue a DMCA?

All I can say for certain is that if you’re specifically using Suno’s “you own the output” as a means of “circumventing”Suno’s ownership of the content, and are admittedly doing so, this would be an open and shut case against you, legally.

[charred merlin]

I’m still waking up, so I’m not quite sure the appropriate words to express how awesome it is to see Speed Racer help us out grow the known-X channels ❤️

Hoping to really grow these in the coming days, so having increased visibility on them is super cool, and legitimately is one of the best ways to share feedback with the devs, mods, and other users alike ❤️

[charred merlin]

Not enough caffeine in my system to understand more than “Imogen Heap”, but did you catch her live Tiny Desk performance that I shared in off-topic the other day?

Don’t tell Lindsey, but I think I’m in love with Imogen Heap.

[brave gull]

has anyone managed to make some good canons ?

[charred merlin]

I am not quite familiar with this specific accent — do you have a video example to share?

[untold briar]

I wrote this thinking about "microtonal overlayed voices" before reminding myself what Imogen Heap actually sounds like. I was thinking "overlapping" not "overlayed", and overlapping is much harder to prompt.

[charred merlin]

No API currently available, and no comment has been made regarding it.

There’s a #1252298754787377225 to upvote if you’d like to let the devs know how important this is to you.

As a reminder, any APIs that you find in the wild are unofficial and can likely lead to your account being blocked. Not to mention anyone offering that service is knowingly breaking ToS, and is shady to begin with.

[charred merlin]

…seriously? I would be absolutely embarrassed if this were true

[untold briar]

Well, if works that way, the other side of it would mean you can download all the free songs you've ever generated as wavs if you ever subscribe once.

[charred merlin]

https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1252656600770940968

If that’s the case, I’ve sent so many people here without understanding what features are locked behind pro plans

[untold briar]

I can check with a test account, one second

[charred merlin]

Thanks, I’m away from my desk and am legit panicking

[wise marsh]

is the regenrate video down atm ? one song dont seem to want to update

[untold briar]

Well, on my second account (which I let fall back to free this month from Premium) I can't download wavs. However, it could be the case that if you previously downloaded a wav, it would still be available to download? Probably not though.

[charred merlin]

Thanks for this — making coffee can wait

[untold briar]

It could be a bug that I am also being effected by. But I wouldn't be too suprised if that is just the way it works.

[wise marsh]

might be because its v3 and different language

[untold briar]

The bugs in that thread seem different. I'm missing the menu option entirely on my second account that generated songs on a pro plan in the past, but I let fall back to free this month. Most of those users are clicking on download, but the download is failing.

My main account can't download very old V2 songs as WAVs (gets an error) but that feels like a low priority bug to me. They can't even be Extended.

[wise marsh]

ok, updateing at midnight to premier, perhaps get fixed...

[charred merlin]

Pro / Premiere shouldn't effect it, but I see that it's absolutely a paid plan thing. 😅

[charred merlin]

#📢┃announcements message

My embarrassment is palpable and tastes of ash. Instead of searching the announcements or updates threads for "wav", I just looked to see if it was it's own announcement at a glance.

~~ ~~

The download failed thing could be unrelated, but the fact that I had completely overlooked the fact that .wav was only available to paid users. I just feel like I failed to explore all investigatory options before shrugging and saying "I dunno, upvote this thing, I guess" -- which explains why I always felt so bad simply referring to that known-bug.

[untold briar]

It's still kind of a bug that it isn't listed here:

[charred merlin]

https://suno.com/song/0fb706d2-7991-452c-b5c0-641faced46ce

[wise marsh]

I keep to one, dont want to haze the tos ...

[brave gull]

i had 3 because i was addicted to making silly music and 10k credits was not enough :D

but I am clean now. no more addiction. just 10k a month...

[charred merlin]

One 1 free plan -- the ToS disallows multiple accounts "for the purpose of taking advantage of the credit system". Multiple paid is okay ❤️

[untold briar]

Multiple paid accounts is not against ToS. I have one overflow account I have used maybe only two months where I went nuts, and don't use it otherwise.

[brave gull]

ah good

[charred merlin]

(I think someone said that a free plan is okay in tandem with paid accounts? But that was before I was a guide, so I'm sharing with a curious grain of salt, more than anything)

[wise marsh]

well payday is coming 😛

[brave gull]

(random example i found https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sryJvRX_xhQ)

[charred merlin]

I haven't explicitly tried, but I may add a Prompt Experiment Playlist for this -- overlapping-melody, orchestral come to mind as style prompts initially...

[brave gull]

will try that yeah, but all my other experiments were similar and not really working

[untold briar]

There's kind of a secret menu 12500 credit plan. Every month downgrade to 2500, then upgrade immediately to 10000. And you end up with 12500 credits for $40. You might have to spend the 2500 credits first for it to work this way, I'm not sure, but that's usually what I do.

If you aren't subscribing annually for the discount, you could also consider setting your account to cancel every month as little min/max optimization. That way if you happen to be busy and not using Suno when it renews, you don't start the 30 day timer until you are ready to prompt. However if you are heavy Suno user like myself, do not set your cancel because you actually get the best value by resetting the timer as fast as possible. The thing you want to avoid most is the "Extra Credits" that cost way more.

[brave gull]

yep i should switch to yearly

[charred merlin]

I'd try to focus specifically on the intro and instrumentalisms before focusing on lyrics or anything, as they might influence the style of output as well. This is a neat request, so I wish you the best of luck ❤️

[brave gull]

i really thought "this is a funny tool, might as well drop 10 euros for a month or 2"

then this happened

[charred merlin]

lmao -- yeah, it's a rabbit hole for sure.

[brave gull]

might try with V3 actually, it seems better with things that are not rock / pop

[untold briar]

BTW Bigger Suno Plans is a good suggestion for people to make post in the suggestions channel. People who ever find themselves buying Extra Credits because 10k isn't enough, and having two Suno accounts is too annoying.

[untold briar]

What were trying to prompt?

[charred merlin]

#📚┃suno-school message

v3.5 tends to drift toward generic rock/rap/dance/metal unless it has effective use of prompting, or is extending from an existing strong musical theme to hook onto.'

[brave gull]

hm

[brave gull]

i need to find it but library search is a mess when you have like 500 variations of the same song

im so cooked

[untold briar]

This advice is from May when V3.5 launched, at the time a lot of guessing, but I stand by most of it:

I used a 3.0 prompt in 3.5 and I'm getting something more generic than the specific genre I asked for. What can I do?

#💬┃general-chat message

[wise marsh]

would been nice as prompt images, a slider of how much to imsipre from the upload though

[brave gull]

very nice thank you

[untold briar]

I had a Scuffed Suno search that allowed for filtering, but it broke after the recent UI update. If I ever fix it it's here https://jonathanfly.github.io/chirp-studio/

[brave gull]

holy smokes

trying to mess with API is against TOS right?

[charred merlin]

Have I ever mentioned that I value you greatly?

[brave gull]

i tried to toy around with auto song generation to make some sort of radio but could never figure out how to properly send requests

[charred merlin]

Something tells me this is done outside of any API

[brave gull]

yea it is!

i was just curious

because it reminded me of that silly project i had

[untold briar]

Yes, and avoiding the API is (partly) why it's so scuffed. (The other reason is that it was a quick one-off hack I wrote for myelf)

It doesn't query or index Suno songs, it doesn't hit the server in any way. It simply sits in the background and logs all traffic that Suno is already sending to your browser from your clicks.

That's why to 'index' your songs you have to manually just click 'next page' on every page in your library, haha

[charred merlin]

This is the equivalent of getting to see inside an inventor's basement -- yeah, this is the Nintendo Gameboy that I rigged to run on solar power. Could never get the "loading chime" to not warble, so I never shared this publicly. Let's move on to happier subjects now, tea?

[untold briar]

I think I mentioned this, but it isn't indexing songs right now. I'm assuming Suno changed something. If I get some time I might fix it, as long as it's a quick fix. Also the source is there or maybe on the github.

[brave gull]

atm im using a git repo with my songs lyrics

my main problem is remembering which of my 3 accounts has the song I need

[wise marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/tapes-cassette-tape-player-cassette-player-music-gif-17093929

brings back memories sorting once cassettes

[brave gull]

well i cant find it

[untold briar]

If you can remember the date you worked on the song, try checking browser history maybe

[charred merlin]

...setting the tape counter on the stereo back to 0 so you knew how far to fast forward to get to the cool song

[charred merlin]

Search terms are SUPER strict and you often need to type the word exactly like you did the first time. Try searching for a style prompt or lyric word you used in the song

[brave gull]

but i tried several things
toying around with alternating the lyrics from the 2 singers
main one being plaintext, the other either (in parenthesis) but this was way quieter than the main voice
or "quotes" but didnt really work

tried writing 2 blocks with the 2 singers
like

[Chorus] [Canon]
[Main Singer]
blablabla
bla bla !
[In the background]
bleh bleh bleh
bleh bleh~

but it did sequentially

ah yes I "found it" -- problem is there are like 150 variations of the same lyrics and I gave up on trying to make a canon at some point

[untold briar]

Is this for duets, or for overlapping voices?

[brave gull]

overlapping

[charred merlin]

If this is for the canon, I wonder if this might be too complex to address in such a straight forward manner. But I have an idea?

[wise marsh]

oh did you get it to work ?

[brave gull]

(no

i found an attempt

https://suno.com/song/5b8b8602-867e-4e9f-8e6f-4ba3bc3ec13b

[untold briar]

Overlapping ahh, my specialty. You have to get a lot mroe weird. Try to write lyrics that look like intentionally confusing computer code. Interleave () and [] and use mismatched pairs, nest them, etc.

[brave gull]

(it's in french sorry, i just love the french)

[untold briar]

It is very hard to overlap lyrics and also not hallucinate, at least for the part that is overlapping though

[charred merlin]

If you can get 3.5 to "recognize" a strong enough theme, you might be able to give it a single verse, then ask it to repeat or overlay using metatags or creative use of extensions? This way it only has a small tune to work on in it's context, and can "interpret it" based on a style or suggestion, instead of suno figuring out how to interpret multiple singers at once @untold briar ?

[wise marsh]

reminds me of old tv-shows

[brave gull]

this was mostly the inspiration https://youtu.be/rxlwCTOuTSs?si=JSvaXm5btPDvrZR-&t=111

[untold briar]

To clarify, "overlapping" I understood to mean two singers are singing different lyrics, at the same time. Not singing the same words together or taking turns.

[brave gull]

yes !

[brave gull]

timecode has this

[wise marsh]

Only tested a bit with echo voice () so far

[brave gull]

() and "" works nice for alternating

wait I need to find an old song I made with v2

[wise marsh]

noticed testing that, would had wanted to boost its volume, tends to be far of in the distance...

[untold briar]

I posted an example that was mostly an accident above. Time 1:52 in this song. Here the overlapping comes from the style prompt having words that look like lyrics in it: ₪₪₪delta:"can't feel my eyeballs:"can't feel my eyeballs"-flow-cello€ field-viola, field-sparse, field-recording and I also used that same prompt in the lyrics (either could have produced the effect with luck)

https://suno.com/song/5adc58c8-f2ee-40a5-a405-eadba4babf31

[charred merlin]

Not sure if you saw my late-tag above, Jonathan?

[wise marsh]

thats sound nutz

[untold briar]

I need to fix my Scuffed Suno search to find more overlapping examples. I didn't make a playlist or anything, hard to find

[charred merlin]

Theremin is a good example of a tricky instrument to nail down, showing how you need to get creative and say "spooky" to evoke the same evocative feeling it gives instead of "commanding" a theremin.

Just gonna share the "overlapping" / canon suggestion once more, because I'm still not sure if it was entirely missed or just another idea for the pile, @untold briar #📚┃suno-school message

[untold briar]

But from memory prompting in confusing ways like

> I'm singing (a song [and I am singing (some) more in brackets ) and ] 
> > more brackets ] and these parenthesis ) don't even close anything

And in past suno versions, formatting things like markdown quotes >> or > > sometimes helped.

[brave gull]

https://suno.com/song/0046cfc9-cac2-4f03-a68d-39ef7bce83c7 V2
took quite some attempts but result is nice, havent been able to reproduce with V3/.5 (havent tried much though)
(translated lyrics at bottom)

(i am very immature

[brave gull]

trying

[untold briar]

I'm not totally sure I follow specifically this idea. But in general some more unusual Extend Workflows can work, and might be something like what you are thinking about? Basically if you Extend a clip, sometimes Suno can treat the previous vocals as if they were an instrument. As if they were a sound to be played behind other vocals. When this happens, if you prompt regular lyrics, they might end up on top of the previous verse. That is sort of what happens in the eyeball clip, but with a different cause I think.

V3.5 is more willing to sing lyrics as if they were instruments, so this is probably easier in V3.5 actually, but I don't think I've done in V3.5. (Mostly used Upload)

[wise marsh]

any one done a embed to a blog or likewise ?

[charred merlin]

This is what I'm talking about -- perhaps too conceptual for what I wrote down, but exactly.

Trying to explicitly write multiple vocal melodies singing "in rounds", "overlapping" in this sense (it might mistake and think completely overlayed, or one after the other -- too many possible interpretations to be able to explicitly code your exact desire)

But having a single "segment", like 1 vocalists part, it might be possible to use extension points as a means of controlling subsequent "reroll generations" to progressively and iteratively find each clip that steps closer to your idealized version of a multi-part canon.

Example, place an extension point on the second repetition of a simple vocal melody, and try to influence the extension to overlay a repetition of the vocals on top -- with luck and creative prompting, v3.5 might continue the original underlying melody "as an instrument" and overlay the "new vocalist's melody" overtop.

[brave gull]

we dont know what data / format Suno has been trained on right

[charred merlin]

I'm sure it happens often in gen-chat or off-topic?

[brave gull]

[brave gull]

indeed

[charred merlin]

Tranquille, mon bel oiseau -- Suno are cool dudes

It's more a matter of not wanting other companies to do the same cool stuff they're magicking up

[brave gull]

so like, let's say this is my chorus

[Chorus] [Canon]
> Buvons-un coup, buvons-en deux
> > À la santé du capitaine et son couscous délicieux
> Buvons-un coup, buvons-en deux
> > On peut pas faire mieux
> Avec des ptit pois
> Allons y gai-gai, allons-y gaiement
> > des ptit pois
> Goûtons ce couscous dément
> > des ptit pois
> Allons y gai-gai, allons-y gaiement
> > des ptit pois
> Goûtons ce couscous dément
> > des ptit pois

with each level of "indent" being the 2 overlapping lyrics
you'd just put opening / closing tokens randomly or do oyu have a pattern

[untold briar]

I found a old V2 with bits of overlapping voices, but V2 is so different it may not help with V3.5.
https://suno.com/song/925f0cde-9390-45ce-8a5e-9973ad95df84

[charred merlin]

I just explained my theory on why this might not work in a comment to Jon, but your milage may vary

[charred merlin]

Intentional? Oh "duet" with v2 hallucinating?

[brave gull]

ah

[untold briar]

I was trying to prompt "sing the words as if you were bagpipes" but the prompting is pretty similar

[brave gull]

it seemed complicated and not directed to me so my small brain kinda went over it -- will reread

sing the words as if you were bagpipes
me (neurotic) to the man i keep in my basement for fun (innocent, has a wife and children)

[charred merlin]

I don't want to make anyone feel dumb, I wasn't being super approachable with some of the methods I used to explain it, but wanted to run it past Jon to see if there was a hint of method to my madness.

If you have any questions about what I mean, or would like further clarification or examples, please ask ❤️

[untold briar]

duets are already hard. Overlapping duets is going to burn through your credits. I do it because I mostly prompt as a puzzle.

However, if you are willing to accept hallucinated words (fake words) or incorrect lyrics, overlapping vocals is probably somewhat more achievable. Maybe this even makes some logical sense - Suno tries to sing start to finish, chronologically. So in order for Suno to sing two lines of lyrics at the same time maybe it needs to be hallucinating at least a little (not quite performing the lyrics as designed).

Oh in your clip you are interleaving tags in the lyrics:

j'ai envie de chier ([Spoken] quoi?)
putain j'ai mal au bide ([Spoken] hein??)

That can also work, great idea if you thought of that.

I was actually suggestion writing lyrics meant to be sung in the brackets (which is normally a failure, but when it fails, it could overlap). But interleaving non sung (shorter) tags can work. But you can add even more per line.

[brave gull]

the main problem I see with trying to do stuff like this is it is probably entirely dependant on training data -- hence my question
all lyrics I find for that renaissance song I linked earlier which has heavy uses of canon do not mention it ever

so if Suno has been trained on publicly available data (which it probably has, as I have had copyright artifacts in the past), well

[brave gull]

can you expand on what you said about sung brackets?

[charred merlin]

@brave gull HECK yes this is a cool idea -- added to the Prompt Experiment Playlist ideas

[untold briar]

This didn't work (and I destroyed the lyrics) but it's pretty cute! A capella is usually easier to get overlapping, since they occur more commonly, but this mostly didn't work even in easy mode.
https://suno.com/song/97af1e31-2a5a-4dbd-ab04-86f50b4341bf

[untold briar]

Basically [using long lines of words that look like lyric in brackets] and Suno probably sings them. Normally you don't want this, of course. But when trying to do something like get two voices singing over each other it might help.

https://suno.com/song/012b7c69-e40b-4b46-9f1e-77ea5099bc0c

Words can fly feel the spark, Simple talk lights the dark
[Words can fly feel the spark, Simple talk lights the dark, even when I'm singing in brackets]
Words can fly feel the spark, Simple talk lights the dark
[Words can fly feel the spark, Simple talk lights the dark, even when I'm singing in brackets]

[brave gull]

ahhh i thought you were talking about [Sung], in opposition to like [Spoken]
gotcha

[amber vigil]

Not sure this belongs here but ... I saw a very much copywrited song name and lyrics on my Suno mobile app last night. I reported it but there was no way to indicated why I was reporting it.

My question is:

I would have assumed Suno could detect lyrics?

[charred merlin]

Tricky thing nowadays is that people can edit the lyrics afterward to make it look like the copyrighted lyrics.

Even so, it’s a lot harder to flag lyrics because there’s so many similarities between technically-legally distinct songs that are already on the radio, that it becomes difficult to guarantee the AI can flag violations with confidence without an unacceptable number of false positives.

I would imagine that if the AI doesn’t flag a wildly unique example like “We Didn’t Start the Fire”, then it’s “honour system”.

I think reporting “inappropriate” should cover it, but not sure how they get reviewed beyond that.

[thick kettle]

Hello, did we lost our credit after the month of subcription ??

[neat nexus]

Were you only a subscriber for one month?

Credits go month to month and do not roll over unless they are "extra credits" which only become effective once that month's subscription of credits has been used up. Credits in the monthly allotment ae a strictly use it or lose it proposition.

[thick kettle]

Hello! yes i pay only one month to try Suno and i lost everything

We have to spend 500 songs every month ? it's a bit weird

[neat nexus]

I do apologize for that. Unfortunately it is pretty clear that the credits renew monthly. It does not say anything about rollover credits. In fact I am only aware of one AI system that does rollover credits. Kaiber.ai and that's the only one I know about.

[thick kettle]

It's my first one, that's why i'm a bit sad about this way honestly

[neat nexus]

The number of songs possible is more about having the ability to continue working on a song and less about needing to use it. If you have the credits and a song idea you can work on that song idea.

If you do not have the credits and a song idea you are unable to do anything. So it's always better to have credits to use than to have none or not enough. Imagine running out in the middle of working on a song! Horrible. (I've done this. Thank God for extra credits!)

[thick kettle]

When you start suno you don't really think about that, in my mind i just pay and try suno to get the feeling and get more experiences and after that make big song (i love the new version 3.5) I don't really like the way about lost our credit when the month is over + i don't receive any email about this (like : hey girl you will lost your pro plan in X day)

[exotic cloud]

Hello guys, will there be a paid public API to use it in our apps in anytime in the future?

[neat nexus]

It is listed on the subscription page: https://suno.com/account

[neat nexus]

There is an API that is in the works but we have no details on any time frame for this to become public.

Additionally any supposed "open source" APIs you may encounter are against TOS and are not actually APIs, instead they are frontends which do unspeakable things to your session cookies and God only knows what kinds of risks they may represent to your account when you use them.

[exotic cloud]

Thanks.

[thick kettle]

Thanks

[limber bramble]

Cancelled subscription, lets see how long your business last if you keep stealing the points people buy if they dont use them at the end of the month

Bye

[thick kettle]

What ?

[brave gull]

litterally every service does this

[naive quail]

Doesn't really seem to have hurt MidJourney much. Or any of the many other services that do it. I dislike it as much as you do, but it's the way these companies operate.

[limber bramble]

Lets normalize the trash then hahaha

[brave gull]

yeah this is what i said

[limber bramble]

You normalize it, not me

[limber bramble]

Then i wont feed this trasj companies

[brave gull]

this is not an airport etc

no need to announce your departure

also @untold briar I have a generation with a very interesting instrumental

(accidental and never been able to reproduce it when trying to)

[limber bramble]

Not to you that have low standards, but to the owners of ditto

[brave gull]

the owners of ditto have taken note

[brave gull]

https://suno.com/song/eecfc899-4bb1-4744-946a-3cbaa2f9b937
the first sentence is high pitched and repeated through the entire track

[neat nexus]

What does this have to do with Suno?

[brave gull]

wait

it was not even a typo on his last message -- he's litterally complaining to the wrong people?

[neat nexus]

Either that or been taken advantage of by a scam company trying to piggyback off of Suno. That's why I'm asking.

...

Looking up the name it appears to be a distributor, not a music generation service.

Again I wonder what any of this has to do with Suno?

[brave gull]

also the amount is like 700 dollars

[wet minnow]

right below where to click to spend the money it says "Credits dont roll over"... At least i think thats a good place to warn people before clicking on something. But i might be wrong here... Here is even a technical explaination why #💬┃general-chat message

[modest patrol]

Have you tried reading the terms before you drop cashmoney on things?

[naive quail]

In all fairness, I doubt that many do. That little bit from the ToS is at least on the same page as the subscribe buttons, tho.

[lament swallow]

SO ?

[pallid leaf]

audio upload seems broken?

nvm now the uploads are showing. The site showed some 2:00 songs instead of this short clip

[sweet harness]

am i doing something wrong, even if i specify male voice, i get female

[naive quail]

Hard to say w/o knowing the details of what you're putting in the style and lyrics box. I've noticed that lyrics alone can have a strong influence on whether Suno chooses a male or female voice. Can you share an example track?

[sweet harness]

oh in this case i'm trying to get a song about a male siren which is why it is doing it, i just thought maybe specifying male vocalist would have more weight than the content

[rich summit]

Is there any issue atm ? My songs are still on processing for a couple of minutes. It used to take a couple of seconds, no more

[hollow hare]

It is usual for the generation to take minutes.

Unless you mean it did not show up right away in your library while in progress? Try refreshing your browser if you did not do so yet

[hollow hare]

Unfortunately, male is not a powerful keyword (see this great post about it from @charred merlin from the 2nd paragraph: #📚┃suno-school message )

Out of curiosity, what genre are you attempting to get male vocals for?

[sweet harness]

im trying to get a variety of things, unfortunately the subject matter is...well gay....so heh

[hollow hare]

Ah, I see. The problem is not so much with the content (though it can influence how the song generates iirc) but more so that I want to know which genre is giving you the most issue when trying to get male vocals.

Some genres are biased greatly towards one gendered voice by default (IIRC, rock and rap tends to generate more male vocals in general while pop leans more on females)

[sweet harness]

it is also a little difficult when, say, you want a countertenor voice, which would have helped in the one song i was trying to get, i did eventually get a male voice though, just not a countertenor

the particular genre i was after was a haunting acoustic melody, and yeah, it just didnt want to give me what i wanted, about 12 tries later i got it

[hollow hare]

Ah, yes, tonal prompts are such a hassle. There are other AIs out there that can help change the voice if you got a great track though.

One I remember is kits.ai ( #🗣️┃chill-chat message ) - you likely can find more by searching.
There are some YouTubers, like AI Samson (@aisamsonreal), that compares AI tools and may have some comparisons about that

(I do not know if Samson has one for vocal changers specifically but he does other great AI comparisons).

You can also make your own voice models and sub it in using RVC models (see #💡┃suggestions-web message )

[sweet harness]

Im personally a countertenor so if all else fails I could probably just find a way to slip my own vocals in, but it is such a hassle

and not too important since I just want it for a dnd game lol

[hollow hare]

Understandable 🫂 Let us hope v4 will help make it easier to control what voices we want

[azure crane]

Is there a way to stop Suno from speeding up all my tracks? Sometimes it goes 1 minute and then it speeding it up and sometimes 2 minutes before it goes bananas… Why is this happening?

[hollow hare]

Inherit randomness. It likely got triggered by a certain repeat and learned that type of repeat is associated with higher tempo (just an assumption, I am no expert in AI).

You can try to define a slow tempo in the style prompts. Having <#> BPM will not work but phrases like down-tempo, slow-tempo, etc. seemed to work for me (or it could just be a coincidence with a sprinkle of the placebo effect).

You may want to try some Italian phrases as well if the generic phrasing did not work. For a list, see #📚┃suno-school message

Other variants you can try out thanks to harber's suggestions: #📚┃suno-school message

[slim summit]

can every website operator please stop using the captcha by cloudflare? that shit always breaks

[hollow hare]

Unfortunately such measure had to be placed in to reduce the number of bots that uses the website (and help avoid potential DDoS). Or so I assume

If you have great alternatives that Suno can use in its place, you can suggest them at #💡┃suggestions-web 🙂

[azure crane]

Ok. I’m into house and I’m using the upload option to extend my own music. The upload sets the tempo so it’s really odd why it just speeding it up to make it faster and faster. My styles is different house genres. Maybe I should try just one or two different styles.

[hollow hare]

I definitely recommend that. Also specifying a specific subgenre can help (I like to use https://rateyourmusic.com/genres/ for the list).

Do not be afraid to Extend to fix your track that you liked. Extend from a few seconds before it sped up (if it still does not work, try to go back a few more seconds. Changing the continue time does affect how the AI will continue even if it seems like there is no great change in the durations selected)

[azure crane]

Yeah, gonna try to extend before it’s speed up. Thanks for the input 🙏…

[amber vigil]

I bought my suno through Apple. There is no way that I can tell to buy additional credits through the App.

Where is the best place to raise this issue? It's possible I'm missing something obvious?

[rich summit]

The Liked filter doesn't give any result, is it normal ?

I do have liked songs

[sinful oyster]

Tech Question:
So I've noticed that not all of my playlists are loading and I can no longer access about a 3rd of them through my library... is there a work around or upcoming fix perhaps?

[hollow hare]

Just to verify, did you download the correct app? It has the same icon as this server with the company listed as "Suno, Inc.": https://suno.com/ios

[There are a lot of scam apps on the appstore (and 100% on playstore since there is no Android version yet).]

Unfortunately, I do not have the app so I cannot direct you with help, but you can log on to the website and purchase credits from there. So long as you logged in to the correct account, you will have that credit available in the app.

[amber vigil]

Yes - I definitely have the right app. There are places to buy the monthly or annual plans. But nowhere to buy additional credits in app.

When I go to the website to buy credits, it says "you purchased your plan through apple. Go to the app to buy more credits." lol

[hollow hare]

The filter is a finicky. From what I see, the Liked filter did not activated (active filters will have a white background).

From testing, this appears to happen if you searched for something first then clicked Liked after. The function does not like that.

Ensure that the text box is empty first, whether you delete, refresh, or come back to the tab. Click Liked first then do your text filter.

Hope that helps. Also report the issue at #🪲┃bugs-web (I do not know if this was intended or not)

[hollow hare]

Ah, that sounds very frustrating. I will see if I can borrow my brother phone and get back to you with my experience unless someone gets back to you first.
(Did you try asking in #💬┃general-chat ? There should already be a few iOSers there with the app and will likely get back to you before I do)

[amber vigil]

I will do that - thanks for the idea, Paimon

[odd ridge]

When using melodic samples, Suno often fails to add drums and sometimes adds vocals even when "instrumental" is tried with beat, no vocal & Co can anyone help me or give the magic prompts for it ❤️

[long cargo]

hello I have the problem that when I just make a song it takes a long time, does anyone know what could be going on?

[hollow hare]

The unwanted vocals are known as hallucinations. The chance of it increases when you use a vocal-heavy genres.

Did you also try to use a percussion metatag (e.g. [heavy drums]) in the lyrics to influence the AI to use it?

I found that if you are looking to make a pure instrumental song, using various instrumental tags in the lyric box in Custom Mode rather than using the instrumental switch.

It mostly helps avoid hallucination (but this still depends significantly on the genre used) and can pad out to the max time if you have a sufficient number of it (as well as giving you control on how/what you want)

Example:

• RayanAIR's Novo Lands

[hollow hare]

The song should take a few minutes (typically < 5 min during regular service) to fully generate a song.

Try refreshing your browser in case there was a glitch.

[odd ridge]

Could you please clarify if you mean that I should activate the lyrics toggle and then use the necessary tags within the lyrics in brackets []? Is this the method you're suggesting?

Thanks for your help (sorry for late responses, because translating my bad english)

[weary wharf]

Hey Suno devs, if anyone is online... 2 generations are stuck for more then 15 minutes now. How can I help you find these in the system and cancel it?

[long cargo]

I did, now the song is completely gone, even from the Libroy

[coral plover]

worth a try 😃 if you get an answer you are my new personal god

[hollow hare]

Ah, sure:

• Ensure you are in Custom Mode
• Do NOT turn on the instrumental switch
• Provide the appropriate style prompts (e.g. genres, mood, instruments [with atypical ones list led first. E.g. do not need to list sax first when dealing with jazz])
• Paste in the instrumental tags (as shown in the example I gave earlier or with generic tags like this: https://suno.com/song/46531a71-c9de-45c7-bf6f-52e72f984b34)

As Novo Lands and the wiki entry (https://www.suno.wiki/faq/metatags/instrumental-tags/) points out, you can specify specific instruments to play, whereas the generic tags will let the AI assume what to play.

You can put several different instrumental tags near each other but avoid putting too many. The more you give in a row, the more confused the AI may get.

[odd ridge]

can i use custom instruments in [] like turkish instrument like "Saz" ?

[hollow hare]

Try checking again in a while. If the server is having issues, which it has been for like the past day and a bit at times, your song is likely still being generated but queued up.
(If it failed, you will get your credits refunded with the failed tracks having a refund tag present)

A lot of people learned that submitting/spamming more creations during this lag period will use up more of their credits for a bunch of tracks they did not want :/

[odd ridge]

I am very grateful that you have helped me, can you also tell me if it is possible to mix a previously created sample together with a new one, e.g. drum kit as mp3 and sample?

[hollow hare]

You can try! There were a lot of unusual (and specific) instruments that worked, like the Theremin! (Though it is quite a pain to actually get the reminder back in 3.0, I have not tried it in 3.5)

Those that do not work will usually have a piano playing in its place

[odd ridge]

ok if i paste the url of other creation its not possible too? (Seeding)

[long cargo]

ok i hope i can still hear the song and hope that it still comes, but i don't think so, but thanks

[hollow hare]

There is no way to directly remix but you can try with the audio upload. The upload will act like a part 1 generation which you can extend.

If you obtained the sample from outside your own creation (e.g. did not generate through FL studio or other such programs, used a sample library site, etc.), you will read in to that service ToS for the terms of using the sampled beat.

Using a sample from a copyright song is not allowed (and usually the filter will catch that). For more info about why, see https://dittomusic.com/en/blog/how-to-clear-a-sample-for-a-song-or-beat/

[odd ridge]

Oki thank you so much for this informations, you was helpful, have a good day🫡🫡🫡❤️

[naive quail]

I don't think Suno knows 'Saz' or 'Bağlama', but you can definitely get one with 'Turkish Folk'

[hollow hare]

Ah, strange. If you have the hash of the song, you should be able to access the /song/ page.

This is a recent creation that failed to appear, yes? Or was it a while ago and you are using the search filter or the like to look for it?

[odd ridge]

'Turkish Folk' i tried but its 75% adding vocals

😦

[naive quail]

Even in Custom mode with [Instrumental] at the top of the Lyrics box? 😦

[hollow hare]

I just tried a quick generation for that term, seems to work fine with the generic instrumental tags (I forgot to test out the instrumental specific tags in my haste):

• https://suno.com/song/71e041a5-547f-46a5-9e29-8b2fa9dd729a
• https://suno.com/song/425c752d-f2d4-4525-9e7d-b5591e5e6d8b

[naive quail]

Seems to work with just the basic [Instrumental] tag, too. https://suno.com/song/42723c6e-f58a-4620-9ef3-1da268815c5c

[long cargo]

so I opened it and now the link is set to UNTITEL and the text is also gone . https://suno.com/song/d04a801f-1bb1-4a22-9d52-2dfb12362417

[naive quail]

Now to add a wailing guitar... 😄

[hollow hare]

Oh, that is very weird. Be sure to report it to #🪲┃bugs-web with as much detail as you can recall (e.g. type of browser, etc.) To help the team investigate what may have gone wrong.

Out of curiosity, is the content of the song generated still what you wanted or did that change as well?

[odd ridge]

trying it now i make a GPTS with all the know-hows from paimons pages to get good fast prompts for lyrics 😄

[hollow hare]

No go on my part 😦 I highly recommend contacting [e-mail] about this situation

[lime ore]

How to get a child's voice for a song?

[wild inlet]

/chirp

[tranquil creek]

The app keeps signing me out 😭😭😭

[lapis elk]

/chirp

[brittle breach]

Hello, I have a question: the WAV masters are a bit quieter than other Spotify songs, right? Will they get a bit louder, or should we make them louder again? Best regards. 🙂

[raw river]

not letting me enter any lyrics

[wise inlet]

Switch off instrumental

[elfin storm]

like that, it's possible, I can't credit 50 songs when I use it, I can't

[raw river]

it took a minute for it to

but I did get it

[elfin storm]

@charred merlin reply to the previous email, reply to suno ai's email

Hello!

Thank you for contacting Suno Support!

You may retry to generate songs again. We apologized for the inconvenience.

Thanks,
—
Aisa
Suno Support

[candid helm]

I'm a free user, but despite 50 credits, my daily credit today only 20. is this how suno works?

[hollow hare]

Did you make any songs in the last 10 minutes? Because that is when it should have refreshed back to 50

If you did not, best to contact [e-mail] since that is unusual.
If you are not sure, you can go to the song's lyric page for the creation timestamp

/refresh

[candid helm]

what is the connection between creating song then get 50 credit? I dont' see any rule of that. 50 daily credit is my right by daily, even not creating one.

but now, today I only got 20 credits.

ths is bs

[hollow hare]

Credits refreshes (restores back to 50 per day), they do not carry over.
It is quite nice seeing as you are paying literally nothing to be able to make 5 songs a day

[heady shoal]

Is the new suno summer contest with video for premier members only?

[hollow hare]

It is open to everyone, I do not recall seeing any limitations (and it would not make sense to have that for this particular contest rules too). Assuming you are speaking about the vol. 2 event

Well, I mean outside of the contest requirements of having a reaction with real people

[heady shoal]

Yes thank you I am, I just figured out the audio feature. I followed the instructions but can’t get video on there

Unless we can send in a video using a different device

[elfin storm]

Is this from yesterday like this 0 credits or 50 can be used, right?

[heady shoal]

Unless you’re accepting multiple types of media

[hollow hare]

The Audio Upload in the Create section has nothing to do with the contest, that is a Suno feature.
Audio Upload allows you to upload a 6~60 second audio clip which acts like a part 1 song that you can extend.

For the summer contest vol 2, to submit your video, you need to use the typeform as linked in the contest details at #📢┃announcements message

[heady shoal]

Okay so create a video with suno song in background, got it

★-(ゝThank You!ゝ)-☆

[hollow hare]

Most importantly, the video must be of people reacting with the music you made in some way. The examples listed in #📢┃announcements message shows clearly what they meant.

Having people bop their heads to your music would be fine, having an AI music video with digital characters reacting would be rejected.

Best of luck in the contest ^_^ Just be sure to check all the rules first!

[misty leaf]

Weird, can't upload any new clips. Always keeps saying "network error"

[hollow hare]

If you refresh the web page, do you get a 524 Error? If so, try again in a few minutes or connect to a VPN

[misty leaf]

Not an actual error on the webpage, just when clicking on the final button when it would be actually added.

[hollow hare]

I am aware, I was asking to make sure that - upon refreshing or making a new tab to visit Suno again - that there was no error being reported by Cloudflare as the cause of the network issue.

From the limited network error reports, no one really had a solution aside from using VPN or waiting for a while (#📚┃suno-school message)

I would assume it is a DNS issue (it usually is).

You could try changing your DNS to 1.1.1.1 (Cloudflare) or 8.8.8.8/8.8.4.4 (Google) DNS server if you do not have a VPN to connect to. Most people opted using a VPN instead, much faster to deal with

[glacial viper]

is there a known fix to the 403 error yet? im waiting for support to email me back but I figured I would ask here

[crystal jewel]

Do you mind pointing out where in the TOS prohibits automation or 3rd party tool use 'API'?
There are a few sections that I listed below that could potentially be what you are referring to.

I would think you would welcome automation as it depletes credits faster thus should increase revenue. :)

The "User Conduct" section prohibits using the service to "interfere with or disrupt the Service or servers or networks connected to the Service". Excessive automation could potentially be considered disruptive.

The "Commercial Use" section states "unless otherwise expressly authorized herein or in the Service, you agree not to display, distribute, license, perform, publish, reproduce, duplicate, copy, create derivative works from, modify, sell, resell, grant access to, transfer, or otherwise use or exploit any portion of the Service, and any Output, for any commercial purposes." This could potentially restrict certain automated or API-based uses.

The "Software" section prohibits reverse engineering or attempting to discover source code, which could limit some types of API integrations.

The "Content" section grants Suno broad rights to use and sublicense user content, which may impact how content submitted via automation or APIs can be used.

[hollow hare]

Probably this? Point 10 under "Conditions of Access and Use":

... You agree to not use the Service to:
...
10.  obtain or attempt to access or otherwise obtain any content or information through any means not intentionally made available or provided for through the Service;
...```(As Suno did not make their API system public, developers using such functions would be violating it as it is not intentionally made available)

Point 13 also sounds like something that would be violated, depending on how strict the definition of scraping is

[crystal jewel]

thanks - then I can automate through the UI which is made available :)
Not trying to be a smart ass, but I like probably others would like to use the content commercially and would like to automate it.

And asking before I do

[glad oyster]

why shoe me suno "Network Error A network error occurred. Please try again." I try but not work

[spring sparrow]

hey everyone! what do you guys use for mastering now? Bandlab now charges and is no longer free 😢

the alternatives suckkk

[dusty sinew]

yo guys, just a question about suno license . Suno grants ownership but it cannot be transferred to someone else. What if I make instrumental only, and then produce someone else song, so they will put vocals on it. And the song name will be under their name, not mine, but I will be assigned in credits (publishing)?

[languid lark]

Is there a way to pull a voice from one song to another so songs have a consistent voice? If it's possible please lmk otherwise I'll pop it into the suggestions chat (it might be hit or miss right now but the option availability would be sick af)

[languid lark]

As long as you have a license it doesn't matter who publishes to services (whether you're credited or not)

I've not heard any cases where suno come after people... yet

Once you have a license you can do whatever with it

[dusty sinew]

Thanks so much

[scenic wraith]

Just had a random thought that pretty well much sums up the current barriers of ai music, at least in my opinion...

We really need the ai music form of "in-painting"..

This is probably something discussed again and again but yeah.. just felt i needed to say that.

[untold briar]

Inpainting is being worked on. 👍

[scenic wraith]

heck.... yes....

I'm so very keen... Suno has a patreon for life..

[hollow hare]

Long post warning. Also, I am not a lawyer, make sure to do your own due diligence.

Be aware that if you are only making an instrumental piece through Suno, then you would likely not be eligble to be part of the copyright when it gets registered.

For copyright, you have to register it with your governmental copyright or intellectual property office.

In USA, the copyright office currently stance regarding AI is that the components made purely with AI cannot be copyrighted without sufficient human involvement.

This means the music generated as-is cannot be copyrighted but your lyrics, arrangement, manual mastering process, etc. can be due to the active human involvement in the latter cases.

But that is based on current USA copyright law, it would depend on your local intellectual property office.
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If you have a subscription when you made that song, you have ownership. Songs generated during the free plan are owned by Suno according to Suno's TOS. Ownership is different from copyright.

What will matter the most in court, if it ever gets to that point, is what is in the contract you will make with the collaborator. You will want one - hope for the best, plan for the worst.

It should clearly define who are involved, what contributions they will be making, who/how to provide credits, how proceeds from the music will be split, etc.

Because you will be illegible for copyright ownership without substantial modifications performed, you will not be granted the benefits of their protections nor income, etc.

So make sure you list out the terms clearly. Always a good idea to have a lawyer look at the contract you draft to ensure it is legally binding with no evident loopholes.

These might help you can get an idea:

• What is a good music contract
• Do not fall for scam contracts
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Also helpful (from USA copyright office):
https://www.copyright.gov/engage/musicians/

[viral lotus]

These guidelines make little sense to me. Let's ignore the fact for now that we are using a model trained upon other works. Let's use as an example "Band in a Box", a software that has been around since at least 1996 (the year I bought my first copy). Over the years, it has evolved substantially and a few years ago added the feature of "random music generation". This software was not trained on others' works, yet...the output is subject to these guidelines? So if I program -- algorithmically -- an app to generate music, the results of my hard work programming the app would be void?

Now, let's consider Suno. I write my own lyrics. Yes, with the help of ChatGPT, but I would consider that most of my lyrics are "mine". Yes, I got aid from ChatGPT, but before ChatGPT, I might go to a rhyming dictionary and another piece of software that helps me structure my lyrics partly through referencing databases of words and/or phrases common in lyrics. Even if I simply prompt ChatGPT to write lyrics and I don't modify, the result heavily depends on exactly how I prompt it. I spend a LONG time revising my prompts...I have a large number of prompts for different uses in the lyric writing process. No one else has my prompts. My prompts are unique and they result in a unique lyrical output. Someone who has better skill at prompting ChatGPT will get higher-quality outputs. Is this "sufficient human involvement" where they lyrics are concerned? I do believe it is. You cannot convince me otherwise.

Now let's consider music generation with Suno. The same prompting considerations exist; yes, it is easy to copy prompts. But prompting Suno is a skill in itself and I would guess there are people who prompt the "non-custom" mode better than others and get better results. This applies to both music with lyrics and without. And genres and style and mood tags: there is a definite skill in selecting the appropriate tags and instructing suno in the style of the music.

Now, onto the custom mode. First point, since I write my own UNIQUE lyrics (most of the time anyway...I usually want to vomit when I get the output of auto-generated lyrics), the music generated by Suno is going to be different than someone else's results. Does this not make it "mine"?

I mean, let's say I enter these lyrics in the custom lyric box:
Verse 1:
Fish swim in circles while apples fall from tall trees,
Loud noises fill the air with chaos and green socks litter the ground,
Cars honk wildly; big blue elephants stomp on little, tiny ants,
Bananas are yellow for reasons unexplained, the mysterious sky turns purple.

Chorus:
Oh, waffles on the roof where flying cars twirl around in circles,
A potato sings a lullaby to the sleeping sun; ants wearing formal hats,
Clouds devour burgers with ferocity, strange times indeed,
As penguins dance with inexplicable grace; all we see are waffles floating by.

Add some custom style tags, and I get the following output:
https://suno.com/song/945b8e58-5228-4687-824b-b8addf10ad83

Obviously, I'm a horrible songwriter. Suno did its best to salvage what it could of my song, but I'm pretty sure nobody's going to listen to this song twice (or any of my other songs after hearing this one!).

On the other hand, I think I just created a new song genre. And they are telling me that this completely unique "music" is not "mine"?

My point is that my custom lyrics and my custom prompting of Suno contributed to this unique result. Suno takes into account the lyrics to guide its music generation, so is the resulting music, based upon my custom lyrics, not "mine" also? OK, I'll admit, I am not thoroughly versed in Suno's term and conditions. Maybe it's not totally mine (?). But let's assume that I trained this app myself and I am the only one using it. Is it now not definitely MY music?

Another point: metatags within the lyrics are an art in themselves. I haven't even begun to explore this, but some of the users here are really refining their tagging art, resulting in definite unique generations.

[mild rain]

Does anyone know what size custom images need to be? Thanks in advance.

[rose jasper]

360x360

https://www.suno.wiki/faq/polish-and-production/how-do-i-download-the-artwork/

[mild rain]

Thank you 🙂

[fleet meteor]

Anyone having issues with multiple tracks in one and increasing tempo bpm when extending tracks?

[frozen pivot]

As far as Suno is concerned, if you have a paid subscription during the time you created your “FISH SONG”, it is your song.

…don’t understand why you are not getting it.

As for creating your lyrics with ChatGPT, who is watching? It's a tool!

As for the Copyright Office, I think the guidelines are straightforward. Generative AI is new and the rules will change over time. You mentioned that you put a lot of work into your productions, including writing the lyrics. Are they not yours?

With the level of detail you provide in your post and your skill level, I want to believe that you certainly master your songs before release. Isn't that also work put into the songs?

The songs are yours 🙌🏾

This is just a thought, not a sermon. And certainly! I am not a “LAWYER” 😊

[fleet meteor]

Does anyone have an issue with uploading a minute track and getting both success and error? Then not having your song list loaded.

[frozen pivot]

Check the library and refresh…

[viral lotus]

I was just responding to the previous post about the state of copyright and a.i. I think it is ridiculous to say that these are not our creations.

The comment about not knowing Suno's terms and conditions was because someone had posted one of them a while back that Suno baked in because users are allowed to extend other users' songs and thus get pretty much the same instrumentals.

[frozen pivot]

Ok.

[charred merlin]

I haven't had any issues uploading 1024x1024, haven't tested higher resolutions.

[charred merlin]

One of the mods actually built a webapp that specifically avoids the use of any unofficial APIs to improve the library search 😛

[charred merlin]

... 😦 Can you DM me a copy of the email that you sent Aisa from Suno Support?

Together, I believe we crafted a very effective and direct email to request further support -- but I feel like this response from Aisa has less information than the others.

Since your issue has persisted for quite a while, and you do not seem to be receiving any support or explanations beyond "first contact practices", perhaps you could ask if "your case can be escalated", or if there is "a senior support agent" who can respond.

@elfin storm I apologize this issue has persisted for so long.

In the meantime, since you do not seem to have received any form of care or assistance from these emails, I would suggest that you create another free account -- do not attempt to generate new songs on the account you currently use.

This new account will mean you can create songs using a free plan. If you do not attempt to make songs with the old account, this means you are not attempting to "take advantage of credits or Suno", as you have not been told you are disallowed from the service, and they have not explained (or seem to understand) your issue.

[elfin storm]

This is my new account, and the old account is no longer used

[charred merlin]

https://discord.com/channels/1069381916492562582/1259843144376385576 Please upvote this known-bug regarding the matter so the devs know that more people are experiencing it! ❤️

[elfin storm]

I don't understand whether this problem is trivial

I just made a new song before you sent the chat

[charred merlin]

I'm confused then. I thought you weren't able to use your daily 50 credits?

[elfin storm]

Sometimes after 50 credits I send something like that and it keeps going like that

How many hours can it be today, can't do it tomorrow, tomorrow it won't be like that

[charred merlin]

Okay, think we might have figured it out in DMs -- my dear friend Muji appears to be able to create songs, but the website doesn't appear to update the credit count, so it always appears as if they have 50 credits available.

@elfin storm, thank you for working with me to help shine light on this peculiar behavior!

I will write a report for #🪲┃bugs-web to see if anyone else experiences similar "visual glitches"

[elfin storm]

please update the website

[opal bluff]

Would it be possible to add the like button for a song into a discord video link?

[charred merlin]

Hrm, there would need to be some form of Discord integration -- given that there's no official API at the moment, I'm not sure this could be implemented as elegantly as they'd like.

Definitely an idea for #💡┃suggestions-web to circle back to at some point! (I suppose better suited for discord-feedback, but it's outside of mods' hands)

[charred merlin]

https://www.suno.wiki/faq/metatags/voice-tags/

[mental matrix]

hi all! Where can I find all the metatags and how to use them in either prompts or lyrics?

[charred merlin]

No comprehensive list, sort of like saying "what all can I say to ChatGPT?"

https://www.suno.wiki/faq/metatags/ This can help get you started brainstorming, but the worst thing you can do is assume there's a "right way" to prompt, there's only degrees of worse 😛

[mystic flume]

Sounds like you're conflating Suno's TOS with the larger issue of whether AI-generated music can be copyrighted. If you pay for a subscription, you own the music you generate. Meaning, Suno will claim no ownership of it. That's a separate issue from whether a court of law will grant you copyright protection for music that was generated with Suno.

[charred merlin]

I would prefer if you shared reasons why you like it, because this comes across like an advertisement.

Please don't use this channel to advertise your paid services

For anyone who wants DAW / AI Splitting / Mastering services FOR FREE, please look into BandLab as described in this post #📚┃suno-school message

[high schooner]

whats up withthe service today? Crashed?

[charred merlin]

I've seen this occur enough times here and there that it's definitely worth a further look into, just so I have an idea of what did/didn't work for others. Going to make a note to circle back to this once I've had a chance to gather more information, but could you share any information you feel might be relevant in the meanwhile?

eg. whether it occurs on both chromium-based browsers (basically all of them) & others (firefox or safari), if it persists in a private window with extensions disabled, or on a mobile browser?
-# NOTE TO SELF

[high schooner]

it' issues with your payment processor

[charred merlin]

To clarify, is there something on the site that indicates this (like on the account page), or is that something that was discussed elsewhere?

[high schooner]

i clicked the accounts button and it dumped me to stripe where it let me know my card was inactive, update to the new one and now i'm upand running

weird. but okay

[charred merlin]

Thank you for getting back to me on that -- glad to have figured it out, but definitely something that needs to be more clearly indicated by the UI

[high schooner]

need to add this one to the log/faq

[charred merlin]

I know that you need an active account to use credits, it must be that the account gets interrupted somehow if the card gets listed as inactive

[high schooner]

yeah feels like it was written by the same guys that write SAP

lol

BTW I did make a Suno song about SAP ROFLMAO

[urban wing]

help suno is stuck for me

i got signed out and had no sign in option

so i clicked a create account option and suno is still stuck

i can create but i cant sign out, and i cant scroll through the lyrics or page

[hollow hare]

To log out: click your profile icon > log out

[urban wing]

i have no profile icon

[hollow hare]

To sign on, click the bottom left of the login screen in that sign up screen

[urban wing]

bottom left it should be i know it showed for a sec but disapeared

ah there it showed

i signed out

🙂

[distant sinew]

Hey, so today my friend and i tried to create a song using the prompt female voice, female singer etc. however it makes it male everytime, is it bugged atm? I worked before, but not today. Known issue or?

[reef cave]

Where's that android app at, tired of the mobile website timing out and stopping every two songs needing me to refresh the page.

[urban wing]

yeah so i gather my phone sign in is broken

i did not see the signin option at the bottom and created a new account with the pnone number thats the account that i ha dthis error with

can i have two accounts?

[charred merlin]

Not 2 free accounts for the purposes of taking advantage of the daily credits, but 2 paid ones yeah.

[urban wing]

can i move my songs that i just created with my second free account to the first one and verify my phone number or something cause now its broken..

[charred merlin]

#📚┃suno-school message

I have a Prompt Experiment Playlist in the works for this exact thing, but in the meantime, this comment should help

[urban wing]

or if i can just verify my number with my first acount and forget about the songs

[charred merlin]

#📢┃announcements message
stay tuned for Android, a global rollout, and a lot of fun updates soon

[viral lotus]

No, that wasn't my point at all. What I was saying was that I'm not familiar with Suno's terms. Someone had previously mentioned that there was a clause in T&C that allowed for other users to basically copy your style by extending. I was just mentioning this as a disclaimer, but this was not my focus; my main point was commenting on copyright law/interpretation. I only mentioned T&C in passing, but that seems to be the only thing people picked up on in my several paragraphs.

[urban wing]

look no signout button again on the one i just created with my phone number

[charred merlin]

please click on "subscribe" / https://www.suno.com/account and share what that screen shows

[distant sinew]

Thank you. ^_^b

[charred merlin]

I think the issue is that there's so many new content creators exploring this legal minefield for the first time, and the fact that "remixing" is such a baked-in feature of Suno, it further complicates an already tricky concept.

[urban wing]

here this is my screen

[charred merlin]

NONE of us here are experts, but here's an interesting concept to takeaway regarding Copyright, Ownership and legally distinct works

"A Tribe Called Quest" received no royalties from their song "Can I Kick It" because it used the iconic bassline from Lou Reed's "Walk on the Wild Side" as a sample in the intro.

Does this mean that all samples invalidate ownership or copyright? Is "Can I Kick It" a legally distinct work?

Treat every instance as it's own case, because that's how it'll work in court if someone uses you for using their work with attribution, so be confident that you own all content before monetizing.

"Can I Kick It?"
"Walk on The Wild Side

[hollow hare]

Strange that the profile icon is now appearing on the bottom left. At least you can sign off now from that portrait.

(Also, the forceful method of getting off would be deleting your cookies)

[urban wing]

i just sent support a message, via the subscriptions page

i would like to keep my 4 new free creations and verify my number

i wil not use my daily credit on my account today

i understand why you do not allow more than one free account

[hollow hare]

I do not understand why the sign-in link is so small and out of the way. And with the blue colouring, it can be hard to notice

[urban wing]

yeah i had the same problem

might have been my mistake

[hollow hare]

Nah, you were not the only one with that oversight, I remember struggling about it at first when it rolled out.

I will make a suggestion about it at #🚧┃suggestions-layout
I did something similar in the oldb suggestion channel but likely got buried at that time

[charred merlin]

Because users are only allowed 50 credits per day -- any issues with the account should be handled by [e-mail]

[urban wing]

yes and also so you dont have server overload

[charred merlin]

This is also why credits refresh on a monthly basis -- keeping the service fair for everyone.

Otherwise bad actors (or competitors) could purchase MANY accounts, stockpile and accumulate credits, then during a strategically timed event, constantly spam-generate songs -- effectively DDoSing Suno 🫨

[urban wing]

if you make it a different color it would be more obviouse

[hollow hare]

I had just suggested that. Do not know why they chose blue. Burnt-orange, cyan, or bright red would have been a better contrast

Believe it or not but it used to be worse

It used to be a dark/pure blue color, just #0000FF

[urban wing]

ooof

pink would stand out html hotpink

[hollow hare]

You can add that in at #🚧┃suggestions-layout below my post, that would be a nice alternative color since it would be softer to the eyes

[vagrant monolith]

Hi, I'm trying to use suno to get some lyrics but couldn't get to work the /chirp command

Anyone can help?

[charred merlin]

Chirp doesn't work anymore, you can't make songs through Suno. You need to use the website.

[hollow hare]

/help

[flint haven]

How to use Suno

Hi there!
If you’re ready to dive into creating music, head over to Suno.com.

For more detailed information, check out docs-guides-resources.

If you have any more questions, just ask in #general-suno where you can always find our community, moderators and guides to help you with most questions. 😊

[vagrant monolith]

Thank you everyone

[weary wharf]

Try female-vocals, female-singer with dashes. Also depends on the style, so repeat the tag in style if needed like female-singer, female-singer, female-singer a few times until the style if not accepting anymore.

[mild rain]

Thanks dude. Looking at the song images they don't appear to be square more rectangle which is why I thought I would ask the question before I start making some custom ones.

[charred merlin]

Yeah, if you right click and "view image" I believe they're still generated square, just displayed cropped -- people have tore the idea apart in #🚧┃suggestions-layout 😛

[mild rain]

Gotya, I'll take a look, thanks

[cold zenith]

The platform is creating difficulties for logging in. Is it just me or is anyone else having difficulties?

[charred merlin]

I'm not having any issues -- what error messages are you receiving when you attempt to log in, or what is happening vs what you expect to happen?

[hollow hare]

Apparently they are having seeing the sign in option?

[hollow hare]

When you click the sign in button:

• If the popup header says sign up, click the sign in link at the bottom left (see picture 1 bottom left. I forgot to circle it in this picture). This link toggles between sign in and sign up
• Ensure the header says sign in (see picture 2) before trying to log in

[distant sinew]

Unsure if it worked, but got female this time. So, thanks for the help.

[cold zenith]

Ok!

[dry sorrel]

anyone else's music player not playing music right now?

songs won't load into it for some reason.

[hollow hare]

Continuing from #💬┃general-chat message

A few questions:

• Which log in method are you selecting?
• Can you provide the exact error you got?
• Do you have add-ons or settings that could be blocking third party cookies?
• Try logging in incognito mode or using another browser, do they work?

[hollow hare]

Works fine on my end, I assume you tried several songs to make sure on your side?

Did you try refreshing your page? It is surprising how often that fixes some issues

[dry sorrel]

yeah I did.

youtube works fine it's only on Suno where songs aren't loading.

foods being delivered I'll be back soon.

[hollow hare]

Huh strange. Hmm, try the following:

• Use incognito and see if one of the Home or Explore songs work (to make sure there is no issue with the player itself on the browser)
• If that did not work, try logging on another browser and see if it is a browser related.

(These are assuming there are no issues with your internet service)

Which browser were you using?

[dry sorrel]

incognito works. maybe it's my ISP, or something else idk lemme try again.

[charred merlin]

If you use the "sign up" option for an account you already have, it has the same functionality as "sign in", afaik

[dry sorrel]

signing out and back in.

yeah idk, very odd. it doesn't work when I'm signed it lol.

Guess I'll try again after my meal.

using chrome btw but this is the first day I'm having this issue it shouldn't be that.

[hollow hare]

Ah, interesting, did not know that. I remember having issues with that a long time ago so I have avoided trying to log in when it said sign up

[dry sorrel]

but I'll turn off ad blockers or whatever just in case.

[charred merlin]

female-vocals is understood differently than female vocals, like how pop punk could mean katy perry, but add a distorted guitar somewhere, while pop-punk would suggest something closer to what we understand it to be.

[dry sorrel]

odd they're working now. :/

[hollow hare]

Technology, ugh

[dry sorrel]

must have been something to do with ad blocker, how strange. that or it's a coincidence.

[charred merlin]

Turn off all extensions first to check, then turn them on one by one to find the issue -- ad blockers are super invasive these days, because it's not a "pop up stopper", they dig into website code to stop things from loading

[dry sorrel]

it's working now so no need. ad blockers are the only extensions I have really lol.

odd that they chose today to do that to Suno but w/e, it's working now.

food time lol.

[charred merlin]

Unless we're super familiar with what's going on in the background / under the hood, it's not super weird that a website can act differently from day to day -- certificates / cookies expire and need to be refreshed all of the time. I wonder if it's something related to the cache that we could wipe clean (basically treating it like the first time you've logged into your Suno account on this computer)

[dry sorrel]

fair.

[charred merlin]

[neat gale]

In terms of copyright, can I use the music or register it? monetize? with the songs generated in suno

[dim niche]

Hi, i hope this is the right chat to ask about this question. i am trying out this ai voice i python, for some reason BarkModel is not in transformers as per my checking in Python when i followed the instructions step by step. I couldnt trace back any records if it was renamed

[vocal cosmos]

idk why ppl dont read TOS

[magic meteor]

Yeah lol my friend was so upset yesterday. He's like "i need to complain to suno support! First: nowhere anywhere on the purchase page does it say theres a higher membership with 10k credits for $30!"

My reply: Scroll down

Then he continued: "and 2nd, nowhere does it say that monthly credits don't carry over to the next month"

Me: scroll down again...

(He got so mad! Lol)--> "yeah! Way at the bottom of the page and in the tiniest print!"

Me: ... (i know i shouldnt, but,) dude, the font is the same size as the rest of the page...

(I'm such a good friend! 😈😈😈)

[loud nacelle]

anyone have issues with it signing information in the []?

[brittle apex]

Yes, it happens sometimes.

[neat nexus]

Can I use this in something?

[magic meteor]

Yeah sure! Lol

[neat nexus]

[Removed links]

I edited the lyrics to give you credit and link it.

[magic meteor]

That is awesome!!! 🤣😂😅 i didnt know suno could do that! Thanks for making that! Now... should i show my friend? Lol

[neat nexus]

Well you are such a good friend..

But let me see if I can do one more thing first..

[magic meteor]

Kk

[neat nexus]

Actually go ahead.

[magic meteor]

Change anything you want for artistic flair.

[neat nexus]

They changed the system on Hedra to be less time and I don't want to mess with it that much.

Was going to add it on to this, since technically it's the same vocal since I extended from there.

[magic meteor]

Ah k cool i will definitely show it arouuund 😈 (maybe ill wait for my friend to be in a good mood)

I'll have to look into hedra. Seems cool

[neat nexus]

It really is. Just wish I was able to get a paying account.

[charred merlin]

Love may be nuts, but you can't date a squirrel

https://tenor.com/view/i-accept-the-challenge-captain-kirk-star-trek-the-original-series-challenge-accepted-gif-23575421

[neat nexus]

I did it any way. What the heck.

[neat gale]

I don't understand English, I'm not familiar with discord groups, but thanks for the help.

[hollow hare]

See #📚┃suno-school message

To sum up: it depends on your location's laws and your governmental intellectual property office (i.e. copyright office).

In USA, the copyright office had cases involving AI and deemed that portions/components of works that have "insufficient human involvement" cannot have those parts eligble for copyright registration/protection.

These situations included that charismatic ape taking a picture of itself when it stole the camera (no intended human situation), the case example of the artist using AI to generate her comic book, etc.

In that comic book case, basically the appearance of the character and the art (both which were generated) cannot be protected under copyright and they took that specific portion off of the artist registration form.
The writing, layout arrangement, character names, etc. - which had clear human involvement- portions of the copyright registration were kept.

In that example, you could take portion of the comic strip and use it for your own use, as it is not legally protected.

However, taking an entire page would be violation of her copyright because the arrangement - thus the final product - is legally protected.

It is an interesting example. There is a transcript and video about this available at copyright.gov

[mystic flume]

Ah, I see. As far as I know there is no way to extend someone else's generation. You can copy their prompt, but you'd be generating your own new song from that. This is probably why folks focused on the T&C comment.

[charred merlin]

You can extend, but you can't download.

Technically, you could just extend and then download, and trim off the end of the song with a "forced-end extension" or use of a DAW, but whether or not Suno waives their interest and right in the content, you still would have a tough time arguing you had 100% artistic & creative ownership over it (especially if you had to argue that trimming the end that you just added on counts as a legally distinct enough change from the original content)

[mystic flume]

Interesting. Last time I tried it wasn't possible. Well, that gives me even less incentive to make songs public than I already had.

[glossy dragon]

Was SUNO impacted by the HUGE Microsoft outage today? Most of the business world was down.

[amber vigil]

is there a place on the sever for critiquing songs / asking for critique? I'm thinking general suno is the best place but people are discussing other ... more general ... lol ... topics usually

[unique stone]

I think general would be fine. I mean, it's for discussion about Suno and it's a Suno song so perfectly reasonable to go there.
Especially now the main song-spam traffic is in showcase. More chance of someone seeing/responding./

[amber vigil]

i wonder if there would ever be a channel for that specific purpose. Although who would go there to add value ... hard to say. I wonder if Suno gets musical theory experts who want to spend their free time critique other people's pretty babies? Lol

i posted to general - it zipped by ... no one said a thing

[unique stone]

Hmm. Seems pretty quiet at the moment, maybe try asking again in a bit?

[charred merlin]

#1154790975240155247 for a more focused (less active) chat, you may still need to advertise the post elsewhere, I'll send an unformatted blurb from a DM I sent someone about advertising

[graceful cliff]

plz help vote: #🗳┃mini-polls message 🙏

[untold briar]

Can you say a little more about "Make a cover/parody of SUNO songs" is this a technical feature, like a remix-button for a song that keeps things the same in some aspects but not others? Or something else?

[astral flame]

Any reason i keep gettin the "wait a few seconds to generate lyircs" prompt for the past 20 minutes?

[vestal pelican]

It would be great if we can have folder group for each song generation as it would go thru various versions and it's difficult to track old songs

[modest coral]

https://suno.com/song/06da0148-bbb6-43a5-aac1-a969e0fca604

I GOT NEW MESSED UP TRACK
ITS SOUNDS LIKE SINGING GIBBERISH

[strange mural]

I would love that too - would like to get critique - in the showcase it is such a fast scroll.