csla_iron_curtain

[frigid gorge]

You still like to ignore that through)

[inner urchin]

right but then does that really warrant 10 dollars?

[midnight briar]

what was much better?

[frigid gorge]

That must be alot of people, hundreds, thousands

[midnight briar]

I didn't see any comparisons showing CSLA content being better

[frigid gorge]

You have the ctrl+F tool, I've repeated myself enough

[shadow glade]

Shouldn't be used for cdlc then

[inner urchin]

in the end paid mods are MUCH less inaccessible to other poeple anyways cuz it is PAID

[shadow glade]

15+

[dense jolt]

10$ for me is not even a full meal i order daily at my office

[stark turret]

Funny enough, SOG is closer to "paid mod" than GM and CSLA, because it taken the niche that been taken by the mod. (given the excuse it is made partially by the same people). Neither GM nor CSLA was available before CDLCs were released.

[bold iron]

CSLAs vehicle interiors are generally better.

[leaden kite]

"How dare you drive my ford?"
"What do you mean, I got mine from that dealership, the same as yours, and mine is blue"
"No, this is mine."
"Dude."

[peak swallow]

That's up to each buyer really... If I was starving nope, if it means I won't notice it on my bank statement, sure all good

[frigid gorge]

Congrats, and I have a 1000+ community which will be adding CSLA as a required mod

and neither of our numbers matter

Because we are not BI

who has the entire picture on the sales

[inner urchin]

so we'll be back to cup in a week wont we?

[rough pebble]

may be not that boomed. It's the very first time I see soo many "RNM Give my money back" comments 🤣

[dense jolt]

yes, and?

[inner urchin]

thats a good thing!

kinda

no offense

like

idk how to phrase it

[frigid gorge]

I think it's safe to assume that RHS would be a CDLC if it could

[shadow glade]

It would

[inner urchin]

i hope you get it doh...and please dont take it the wrong way

[dense jolt]

good for who? for myself or for yourself

[frigid gorge]

^

[leaden kite]

if you were to release RHS again today, would you take the free approach or the cDLC one

[shadow glade]

And it would be actually worth the buy

[rough pebble]

legal issue, never

[dense jolt]

lol

where is the legal issues?

[frigid gorge]

"If it could"

[rough pebble]

Ah, agreed.

[inner urchin]

what i meant was rhs would prob not become a cdlc cuz they are stated non profit in my understanding at least

[frigid gorge]

Person speaking for RHS on legal departmet with 0 knowledge..

[inner urchin]

might be wrong

cuz im not them

[frigid gorge]

Checks pinned message deja vu

nvm, it was unpinned(

[inner urchin]

heckin mods

lol

[leaden kite]

No. cDLC just aren't allowed to repurpose content that was once free or build off of their current assets.

[shadow glade]

If cdlc's are a thing in the next arma title mods are gonna be low effort

[inner urchin]

hMmMmM

[leaden kite]

#csla_iron_curtain message

[dense jolt]

most likely cDLC

[inner urchin]

well

cool

still everything aside i never get to say this

thanks

for everything rhs included

[stark turret]

Ha, if RHS would be a cDLC - pricetag would be 30-40$ and even then I doubt it would be enough to cover it. And imagine how mad people would be.

[wanton eagle]

Would being a cdlc allow you to do more that you wanted with rhs?

[leaden kite]

Yeah, that's what I thought, as well.

To make a general comment to all: Trust me, I appreciate my free mods as much as the next guy, but I also know that out of 1000 people using free mods, maybe ONE of these guys will even consider throwing 5 bucks at you.

[stray bridge]

BIS missed the defective CDLC and they are happy

[leaden kite]

and this is talking from experience, it isn't just conjecture.

[inner urchin]

even then i'd fully understand that, if they bunch up all the mods into a dlc, and release for 30-40? yeah i'd buy the shit out of that

[stray bridge]

And then there are those who support it

[frigid gorge]

I'll make a lil document, maby people will like it, soon™

comparing every single asset in CSLA

with the best one I can find publicly available

[inner urchin]

they could still no man sky it

they could

they might

[frigid gorge]

They are, as announced by the main dev that there is already a hot fix coming for the most major issues

[stark turret]

Well, because there are people who understand how things work, appreciate other people labor and grown up enough to pass by things they don't like.

[dense jolt]

if out of 1000 people one would through 5$ on a monthly basis, we could at least cover the development costs externally without having to pay that from our own pockets

[frigid gorge]

Unlike the "big brain" r*dditrs, I'll make sure to give full credit to both sides of the coin

[inner urchin]

honestly i was angry as fuck at csla when it came out, then i just found a strichtarn mod and made my own stuff in custom comp and maybe orbat creator with cup and rhs

[leaden kite]

Yeah. Back when I ran a server for 250k people, we barely made 200-400 bucks a month. And most of it was covered by whales.

[stray bridge]

I value real work not fake work

[inner urchin]

like fuck you can easily make your own version of gm with a soviet faction in like 4 hours without buying a dlc

3d models aside

[leaden kite]

the donation model requires people to actually donate, but most people simply don't

[frigid gorge]

What is real work according to you?

[dense jolt]

it would surely allow us to do more, including not using any A2 ported content to begin with

[lunar marsh]

Good morning

[inner urchin]

oh heyyyyy

[lunar marsh]

I'm back!

[stray bridge]

GM, SOG

[inner urchin]

you're finally awake

[frigid gorge]

Is real work buying models from 3rd parties?

[lunar marsh]

You tried to cross the border illegally and you got caught by the Czech Arma 2 AI

[inner urchin]

no no trying to cross the iron curtain illegally

[frigid gorge]

If it isn't, then you can't value those. If it is, then so it what CSLA did

[stray bridge]

This is better than what was done in CSLA

[dense jolt]

actually SOG did that as well

[frigid gorge]

Exactly my point

[frigid gorge]

here

[inner urchin]

in the end, cdlc or not cdlc, there will prob always be a mod like rhs or cup that would be free when those two becomes cdlc, its a matter of power and something something ya know?

in the end free mods for arma isnt gonna die

[granite crow]

You extremely under estimate the amount of work that goes into creating content for Arma, let alone any 3d asset

[lunar marsh]

You know what guys, I'm gonna signup for a CDLC and call it Chernarus Expedition!

Sarcasm

[frigid gorge]

I make content for Arma

And my job is selling 3D assets

[dense jolt]

i really don't get all these nappies in a knot....you can choose not to buy it, or if you did and consider it not worth the money, to refund it

[lunar marsh]

Anyway capitalism is taking care of this DLC and I hope they can improve it but It's not looking al to good

[inner urchin]

yeah thats what i did, after some rage honestly 8 hours later i could give less of a damn

its their thing

their money, their dlc

[leaden kite]

I can tell you right now:
If I could take my probably 5-10k manhours that I put in for basically 0 bucks in return, piss of 70% of the people and at least have made minimum wage to the count of 85k€, I'd burn their houses down happily :)

[inner urchin]

they're just letting us play with it for a price

[stray bridge]

What prevented CSLA from buying finished models like SOG and GM did

[frigid gorge]

People taking the "moral highground" above CSLA praise SOG which did the same.
People taking the "mods do it better" said the same about GM.
People saying "this CDLC adds nothing new" are simply delusional

Real complaints are very poor QA, and very easy to notice-and-fix bugs being released.

Aswell as the supposed poor handeling of the testers

Which I read here, but I don't know if its true or not

[lunar marsh]

GM was the first CDLC GM got done dirty "Paid mod" but most of it's assets are all custom

[dense jolt]

for A3, nope, for a future iteration of the franchise, i wouldn't be so sure

[inner urchin]

as long as the steam workshop exist

[leaden kite]

In the past... 8 years (?).. probably more, actually, I learned that the moral high ground doesn't put food on the table. So unless you start supporting content creators reliably, that's just how it's gonna be

[inner urchin]

there will always be free mods for arma

if not, we can always revive armaholic

...

-barfs-

[stray bridge]

I bet you $ 100 that in a year CSLA will not fix half of the bad textures and models?

[lunar marsh]

Can't deleted the database cuz people were mad

[inner urchin]

a2 didnt have steam ws and armaholic was created in its absence

[frigid gorge]

Yet you cry about betting $10 on a CDLC for a gmae

[inner urchin]

when the us government banned alcohol they just brewed their own

we're humans we'll always find a way

[lunar marsh]

Cuz we innovative

[inner urchin]

and arrogant

[stray bridge]

I don't care how much this shit costs

[lunar marsh]

And dutch

[frigid gorge]

Same people complain about GM complained about CSLA, before the release, before testing began.
I highly doubt the ArmA models in CSLA was something they knew

[dense jolt]

considering about 50%+ of what is available on SW is actually ripped assets from various places, i would say that is precisely what will still remain in future iterations

[inner urchin]

no thats the opposite

[stray bridge]

If the money was for disabled children, I would understand this

[lunar marsh]

If we look at all the Pre-release footage there has been little to no improvement

[inner urchin]

how come? copyright?

[frigid gorge]

False

[lunar marsh]

Where are all the jets that were in? Not in

[stark turret]

Are you afraid that BI might go with their own workshop and actually start charging money for mods? Because free mods actually played in favor of Arma 3 and keep it relevant for so much time.

[frigid gorge]

If we look at pre-release footage there has been more than "no improvements"

[stark turret]

But I do share concern about ripped assets.

[inner urchin]

that'd just be straight fucked

[frigid gorge]

The 1 year delay alone saw lots of improvements

[inner urchin]

cuz heres the deal i think arma 3, is dead without mods

[frigid gorge]

The Jets which where never said to be in

[lunar marsh]

But the Arma 2 type vehicles were?

[frigid gorge]

What you describe doesn't add up to what you say

Adding jets isn't an improvement

[dense jolt]

no, but why would i spend my free time to create content from scratch for a franchise when i could just sell it

[inner urchin]

imagine arma without cup, rhs, ace where the hell would we be?

[lunar marsh]

Adding jets is a improvement in content and average quality of said DLC

[frigid gorge]

it's an addition which was never meant to be added, atleast in the begining

[leaden kite]

I doubt they'd do that. It's more that content creators like putting food on the table.

[frigid gorge]

New content isn't improvement, it's new content

[leaden kite]

People severely underestimate just how much time goes into creating mods

and time = money

[dense jolt]

note that making mods for A3 at the same quality level or above vanilla, is not as easy as it used to be back in OFP and A1 days

[lunar marsh]

It improves the quality of the CDLC

[sonic pendant]

With A2 planes?

[leaden kite]

every minute you don't spend on creating mods, you could be spending on making money or relaxing to stay happy or improve your productivity.

[lunar marsh]

Idk I believe they had some nice custom planes

[frigid gorge]

I won't argue semantics, since you clearly refuse to see that there where improvements

[stark turret]

Well, yeah, that is understandable. And it is an issue for a lot of modding communities.

[frigid gorge]

Just in the 1 year delay period alone

[dense jolt]

a few things to consider. if engine changes, porting content won't be as easy as it is now from A2 to A3

[inner urchin]

see with cdlcs, arma players always like free stuff, even if they are worst, 1/3 the quality i would prob still choose it over paying for a dlc, cuz sometimes people just cant be bothered anymore, and that comes with expectation of what arma is

[stark turret]

Also if I remember correctly modding tools and BI internal tools are not exactly the same. But PuFu might correct me on that

[dense jolt]

so, a lot of the content will have to be redone from scratch.

[inner urchin]

wait so correct me if im wrong but a3 is on the same engine as a2 this entire time??

[frigid gorge]

You say that, but all the people ripping RHS content into DayZ say otherwise))

[frigid gorge]

Same as A1, same as OFP, I believe

[inner urchin]

so thats why it took only 4 years...

huh

[mild burrow]

dayz is only partial new engine

[leaden kite]

Improved, but yes

[stark turret]

Well, not exactly all Arma games are on different iterations of the RV engine

[inner urchin]

ya know the mods should unironically make an arma 4 channel if they havent made one already

[dense jolt]

it still not as simple, and yes, while possible, most of these rips are not actually using the engine to its full capability

[frigid gorge]

My message was also only partially joke)
But also partially true, if only slightly

[lunar marsh]

I believe the reason why Arma 4 is not announced or released yet is they are remaking the engine

[leaden kite]

for the purposes of understanding it's simpler to say yes

[frigid gorge]

Yeah they're pretty bad most of the time

[rough pebble]

It's because free mods give too good quality, that makes paid normal CDLCs become awful... 🧐

[stark turret]

I do not agree, it is saying that game made on Unreal engine and Unreal 4 engine are using the same engine.

[dense jolt]

in short, i doubt there will be, even withot any cDLCs programmes, as many mods for a future iteration as they are for A3

[inner urchin]

kinda? but its more like for free, they are just doing a too good of a job

[lunar marsh]

It still used the basic Unreal Engine at it's core.

[frigid gorge]

Hence I hope A4 never comes out

Cuz the mods are just to damn important

[inner urchin]

again, free market if thats the case then people will jsut migrate back to a3

[leaden kite]

I mean. It's a bit like saying a game running on windows 10 is still running on windows. I think the general understanding is that ofc there are improvements over time.

[frigid gorge]

unpopular opinion, but it's too true

[inner urchin]

if you heard of this game, its called steel division 2 you'll know exactly what i mean

[frigid gorge]

Arma is only alive cuz of mods

[inner urchin]

no its not unpopular

[dense jolt]

that is very true. but try and imagine a cDLC programme without having mods

[inner urchin]

its true

[frigid gorge]

So A4 would need to be really good to be able to fight A3 on release

[lunar marsh]

Look at the Source2 Engine for example.
It's updated from the Source Engine
Source engine is from the Gold Source Engine
which is from the Quake Engine

[dense jolt]

also true, and also something that BI si well aware of

[inner urchin]

a2 took a while to die

like 2015 was the last time it was quite populated

[frigid gorge]

After some time, and if mods exist & can be ported "easily" - it'll win, but eventually

[inner urchin]

and iirc cup was already there by then and rhs soon?

[rough pebble]

Let see MSFS or X-Plane for example, most of their mods require payment, and high quality mods can sell, while low mods can only for free.

[stark turret]

IMO it really depends on instruments and documentation that will be provided with A4 (if it ever be released)

[dense jolt]

i am not saying that a future iteration will have no modding

[frigid gorge]

Anyway, back on CSLA topic - I'll post a comparison like I promised soon™

[rough pebble]

Not like this in Arma. High quality for free, medium quality or low quality for sale... (SOG is Great!)

[dense jolt]

i am saying that a lot of the people who can make and inject content in the engine will most likely choose a different path

[inner urchin]

true and yeah except sog and gm in some aspects

i kinda lowkey do not like gm guns but loveeee the tanks, and equipment (radios, uniforms and shit)

[frigid gorge]

What are some good mods to use to comparison pictures? I have RHS, CUP, CWR, DHI, US mil, Veteran, NIArms, S & S, 3CB factions, Project Opfor, Sov armed forces, Warsaw pact retextures, cold war: CSLA, Livonian peoples army cold war, free world armoury.
And all 3 CDLCs

[rough pebble]

I'd like to talk about it in a sensible way.

[dense jolt]

and yes, just look at modding in general. these days, making content at the same level as vanilla requires the same process, the same software, the same skills

[inner urchin]

if that is then if everyone does it, then we might just see an oversaturation of the market

remember what happened to atari in 82?

[frigid gorge]

Throw me some names of hte best mods there that can stand against those, i'll see how CSLA stands and how ""bad"" it really is

[inner urchin]

or am i getting the wrong idea?

maybe

[dense jolt]

@inner urchinwas born in 86, so not sure what you are talking about

[stark turret]

Quite possibly, but easier process of working with engine and injection of assets may spark influx of new enthusiasts making mods for the game. (minding the issues with pirated and ripped content)

[dense jolt]

that is also something that is very true

[frigid gorge]

That is a big hope

[inner urchin]

so a brief backstory atari released a console called the 2600, now the 2600 before the nes was the hottest shit in north america, until when everyone saw you can make big bank making video games suddenly everyone and their mother was doing it and the market was flooded with shitty games (VERY shortened version)

[frigid gorge]

I know so many people who want to start modding arma

but stop because how user-unfriendly it is to the absolutely lowest denominator

[inner urchin]

check out ahoy he makes a video about it, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikIeaCE3Ljc

[stark turret]

I mean, you don't need to go that far for examples, look at the state of mobile gaming. 🙂

[rough pebble]

I'd like to talk about it in a sensible way. A DLC must have a point to sell, it should provide things that no current mods can provide. GM for it's high quality vehicle design, Contact for it's splendid single player mission and imagination (if you call it a CDLC), SOG for it's detailed terrain and "situation awareness" module, so what about CSLA?

[inner urchin]

that too

[dense jolt]

very true, also not being able to inject directly from the industry standard software and workdlows into engine is also cringy

[lunar marsh]

Cold war Rearmed

[frigid gorge]

"CWR"

[lunar marsh]

Sorry didn't see it

[inner urchin]

although, paid mods could work if the dlc policy for a3 is just, better...

[frigid gorge]

Also added PO and 3CB Factions

[inner urchin]

the fact that everyone needs to have the dlc means no one will

[lunar marsh]

PO is just retextures

[frigid gorge]

Think thats all I can think of now, google document comming in a few hours

No, PO has some uniforms that are in CSLA

The FIA ones

and some civ ones

So I'm comparing everything I can think of

[stark turret]

Oh boi, I hope you never look at certain tank game modding. That is even more unfriendly than Arma. >_<

[frigid gorge]

(within reason)

[inner urchin]

bruh thunder?

[lunar marsh]

T00T east vs West?

[stark turret]

nope, the other one

[inner urchin]

wot?

[frigid gorge]

That is 1 to 1 CUP A2 stuff, don't believe there is anything new or different there that isnt in CUP/PO

[fading snow]

Hello everyone 👋 how's the discussion going

[inner urchin]

here, have a gun join the battle royale

[leaden kite]

barely different from yesterday

[dense jolt]

anyways, back on topic

[frigid gorge]

more civil than usual

[fading snow]

Good 😄

[frigid gorge]

def better than yday

[fading snow]

Yesterday was... interesting

[dense jolt]

cheers

[jolly lantern]

[inner urchin]

imo if cdlc becomes the norm then we'd probably just get free assets available in the workshop if we can be arsed to find any and make our own units

thats what i did when gm came out

[dense jolt]

i doubt cDLC will become the norm

[granite crow]

For someone who "creates arma content" you sure want to dunk on other creators just for the fuck of it. Why don't you let it go and realize that piling shit on is counter productive.

[inner urchin]

true otherwise it'd just go atari, it needs to be exclusive atleast somewhat to keep up standards if they want to compete with mods

[leaden kite]

I think mods still have a place but for the RHSs and CUPs of the world, cDLC is a good way to actually be rewarded for their work for once.

[frigid gorge]

Excuse me? I think you got the wrong guy

I have been defending CSLA and GM both from day 1, and my only big critism vs PF was the main menu

[granite crow]

I know what I said

[inner urchin]

hey! if you want someone who shits on csla you talk to me! leave toot alone!

[fading snow]

Now that everybody probably has calmed down a bit people will be able to discuss more factual and this discussion will lead somewhere hopefully so everybody (or not lol) can be happy ^^. Even though I worry that the CSLA devs don't pay attention to his channel because their own Discord also is on fire, at least it was yesterday...

[frigid gorge]

I don't, so please elaborate

[inner urchin]

:((

[crude root]

oh god its a shit show in here

[stark turret]

I mean, compiling the list of issues to hand it to cDLC devs is actually is not a bad idea.

[frigid gorge]

Or rather, it's offtopic, so take it to DMs please

[dense jolt]

i am saying that there is very little incentive to make mods these days, considering the amount of time it takes to
a. create said mod
b. bug fix said mod
c. update said mod with each game version update that breaks said mod
d. make sure some arsewipe doesn't sell/rip/ missuse your mod

[frigid gorge]

Look at all of the games with the biggest modding communities - why are they so big?

[inner urchin]

cuz people care(?)

[frigid gorge]

Because most of the mods are ripped form other places, other mods

[inner urchin]

oh

[jolly lantern]

Keep in mind, if you have issues with CSLA, bugs, stuff you think should be changed.
CSLA has their own project on the feedback tracker and you can post your bug reports and such in there.

I took a quick look for the M203 crash (which wasn't ticketed up) and its pretty empty still

[frigid gorge]

They don't need to worry about actually creating the mods, so they don't need the time, money, and sometimes effort

[royal cloud]

Yesterday was cancer af

[inner lily]

Is anyone else having issues with scenarios? Anytime i try and open one it crashed my game

[frigid gorge]

Arma doesn't have that, so making mods for ArmA is a way bigger task than anywhere else

[dense jolt]

dis

[inner urchin]

cancer and fun

[frigid gorge]

Do you have GM or PF CDLCs loaded?

[inner lily]

oh man yeah that might be it

I'll try it without, thanks

[frigid gorge]

If you do - the M16 with M203s insta-crash your game, and very likely the scenarios have an M16 M203.. somewhere

so try without

[dense jolt]

yeah well, i get it was a testbed for A3, but for RHS at least, considering the current requirements, it surely not an option

[frigid gorge]

Devs already know of the issues, devs already fixed the issue. Big CSLA man said hotfix soon™

[rough pebble]

Have to say GM is about average level and acceptable, SOG raises my expectation about CLDC, not soon after, CSLA take me down a lot. 😭

[jolly lantern]

It happens with only CSLA loaded.
Devs fixed it in their configs, I also just fixed it in Arma

[dense jolt]

GM is awesome, not sure what you are on about

[tardy raven]

Is CSLA good or not?

[frigid gorge]

"GM average level" will never stop making me laugh

[leaden kite]

you mean because of the whole "no repurosing of free content" thing?
I'm mainly talking about A4, just to be clear

[frigid gorge]

That is how you know who you're arguing against

[inner lily]

In honesty, I would have prefered to see CSLA as an addo to GM

[leaden kite]

"Meh". If you want it for the map, go for it. Otherwise, we'll go for a cautious no

[granite crow]

If comparing mods that haven't been updated in 2-3 years is being productive, then lets start comparing AiA to the latest CUP Terrains version. I said what I said and don't feel the need to continue this conversation.

[frigid gorge]

Check out the free compatibility on the workshop and decide yourself.

[leaden kite]

also that

[frigid gorge]

If you are interested in the theme - most likely yes

If you are not - most likely no

[tardy raven]

The missions any good? How many are there. Personally dont care about the map

[frigid gorge]

10 SP 9 MP or smth like that

dont know quality

[leaden kite]

10 scenarios, though I haven't tried them

ye

[tardy raven]

Im a singleplayer guy

[rough pebble]

Might because of culture. I'm in an eastern country and we are not familiar with cold war...

[tardy raven]

Not a lot 😦

[rough pebble]

GM is great, but may not meet my taste personaly.

[frigid gorge]

Are you upset over me loading up different mods and comparing them?

[tardy raven]

What use is any new content without anyy good campaign or missions

[granite crow]

I'm not upset over anything

[frigid gorge]

So the answer is yes, gotcha
It's not being done to attack any mod if thats what you're implying - I am doing this to have a nice handbook to answer people on "What is new in CSLA" and "What is good in CSLA"

[stark turret]

I mean, for multiplayer communities? A lot of use.

[granite crow]

lmao

[frigid gorge]

I won't decide what is good, I will simply have pictures comparing everything side to side

[granite crow]

I'm glad you can determine how I feel or don't feel. Quality discussion.

[stark turret]

Let's not go personal, it is not okay.

[inner urchin]

anyways

oh damn everyone left

just us 3 now

nvm

XD

[leaden kite]

I mean we've discussed the same things ad nauseum now

[stark turret]

Agreed

[jolly lantern]

[stark turret]

Also CSLA gave me an itch to run Wargame:Red Dragon style mission 🙂

[frigid gorge]

If anybody got more for the list of comparisons, please say

[manic steppe]

Stop flaming man

[dense jolt]

just like with mods, just like with cDLCs, no one is forcing anything on anyone, so i doubt what the issue is

[inner urchin]

see thats what i was hoping for

[granite crow]

@inner urchinGlad you could contribute to the conversation in a positive manner.

[inner urchin]

i guess its just an amazingly large amount of dissapoinment channeled into anger

something something

dark side

[stark turret]

Mostly expectations not meeting the reality

[dense jolt]

what is the disappointment about? the fact that it doesn't meat the expectations some of you had?

[leaden kite]

what people are angry about is that there's A2 stuff.
What people should be angry about is that said A2 stuff wasn't improved enough

but as pufu said

[dense jolt]

no one forced that expectations onto you

[inner urchin]

ik and its not the devs faulyt

im just saying we hyped ourselves up, we got angry and we probably almost lynched dedmen cuz of proximity

[leaden kite]

nobody forces you to buy it. If it doesn't meet your expectations, don't buy it.
We already established that there's deffo issues with CSLA, some small, some huge, part of the responsibility is on BI, but as dedmen said, if the devs says they're ready, what are they gonna do? Cancel something they already spent multiple years on?

[stark turret]

This must be cast into the bronze tablet. And then crashed against people's heads who are blindly hating stuff.

😄

[fading snow]

USP Gear & Uniforms AiO

[inner urchin]

dud no one really not get what i said?

this was at launch

before everything was revealed

[frigid gorge]

Is there anything in USP that is in CSLA?..

[inner urchin]

everyone thought csla was gonna be this mod at the same level as gm

in hindsight it wasnt

[dense jolt]

unlikely

[inner urchin]

but thats because we didnt have hindsight cuz we cant time travel

[fading snow]

oh that's what you're looking for I thought "overall" comparison for gear. nevermind then lol 😄

[frigid gorge]

Nah, just CSLA

[fading snow]

Yeah sorry

[frigid gorge]

Since I am in #csla_iron_curtain afterall)

[inner urchin]

hey toot if you wanna compare heres a good one if you wanna do the czech needles camo
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1124452523

[frigid gorge]

Already got that loaded too, forgot to add to the list, ty

[inner urchin]

this is what i used to supplement for strechtarn when gm came out and made my own ddr faction for a zeus op

[frigid gorge]

Also sov forces

[inner urchin]

UwU always happy to help

[frigid gorge]

just for the webbing

[dense jolt]

no offense but these are some ugly ass textures...

[inner urchin]

but they're free

compared to gm they are eh passable

at worst ill give it 2/3 the quality

[fading snow]

T00T you already have "Cold War: ČSLA" in you list?

[frigid gorge]

They are, but I gotta compare everything

[dense jolt]

not everything that is free is shit, just like not everything that is free is great

[stark turret]

Also props to CSLA devs for Russian writings in the hangars 🙂

[frigid gorge]

No, could you link?

[inner urchin]

i get that but ill take what i can take cuz its free

no one is really gonna complain cuz no one paid for it

[frigid gorge]

I know of it, But I through it's only configs

[stark turret]

Given the CSLA is set in 1985 - Soviet presence was quite heavy in Czechoslovakia

[dense jolt]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[granite crow]

And the awesome new aircraft bunkers

[stark turret]

those are the ones I am talking about 🙂

just worded badly

[fading snow]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2077107235&searchtext=CSLA Cold War: CSLA Mod for GM (GM requirement) Link for workshop

[frigid gorge]

🙇‍♂️

Forgot of that one, was thinking of a way older one

[granite crow]

Yes. It's the whole asset that's great.

[frigid gorge]

Holy shit loading 4 things that all break change the main menu at the same time.. hope it doens't create chaos

[inner urchin]

hey wait

lakarak...

i know that guy

[hollow jasper]

hi

[inner urchin]

oh so thats why you dmed me

[hollow jasper]

no

[jolly lantern]

oof. didn't know that existed

[hollow jasper]

i only donated a helmet to that mod

[inner urchin]

oh

ngl it was a cool helmet, might not protect you from anything but shrapnel but hey

its czechnology

anyways like huh

[stark turret]

Funny enough, my father actually was stationed in Czechoslovakia during his service in 1988, even participated in a big army games (Autumn-88).

[inner urchin]

why tf didnt gm and csla just partner up?

and release csla as an addon to gm

like a dlc within a dlc

[fading snow]

There could be a lot of reasons.

[inner urchin]

true

theres pros and cons

[fading snow]

I'm not sure if BI allows that for their CDLC Project

[inner urchin]

but what were the cons?

[hollow jasper]

gm was first meant to have a lot of factions but instead was limited to east and west

[dense jolt]

is there a full list classes (stuff) in someplace that has been added by CSLA?

[frigid gorge]

Well, with updates they have more

[inner urchin]

honestly they should its not a bad idea

[fading snow]

a CDLC within a CDLC could work IMO and since this whole Creator program is a big experiment it could be done

[obtuse mulch]

Pretty sure it was meant as a baseline framework, which would be expanded upon with the factions

[inner urchin]

some people disliked the overlap between csla and gm, the m16a2 in csla looked great but sounded horrible, gm looked ok but sounded cool

and things like that

[jolly lantern]

Afaik CDLCs with dependencies on other CDLC is a big no

[inner urchin]

just avenger it up in this motherfucker already!

[frigid gorge]

you wrote GM twice)

[fading snow]

But obviously all 3 Partys would have to agree and if you release a CDLC as a CDLC for a CDLC the quality of the assets should share the same "standard" especially if both play in the Cold War and just represent different factions.

[jolly lantern]

For one there are also technical issues with being able to buy one thing without owning the other thing

[inner urchin]

thanks

mods have dependencies, i think dlcs should too

[fading snow]

So why in bloody hell does makarov know you

[frigid gorge]

Well, BI specifically stated that a CDLC is not allowed any dependencies

[inner urchin]

:((

that would fix some issues

like manpower first of all

[frigid gorge]

Or create more

[grave rock]

Again though, mods don't cost money. Making DLC C which also requires DLC A is a surefire way to piss people off.

[inner urchin]

overlap is second, and so on

[frigid gorge]

also teams are (mostly) created through like-minded people

[grave rock]

In short mods can get away with more in the public eye just because the user didn't have to part with money.

[frigid gorge]

If BI would pair two CDLCs together, and their teams very didn't click.. that could be a problem

[fading snow]

Yeah but the controversy around CDLC's as a whole is already big. Now allowing Creators do make a CDLC for other Creators would be another level of differences within the community. And I think these "basic" rules BI established for CDLC are to protect themselves from unnecessary hate etc. which I can totally understand. You want to make a experiment sure... but limit the damage that could be done if you understand my metaphor 😄

[leaden kite]

Besides, there's actual livelihoods at stake here. Sure, "experimenting" is fine. But experimenting really isn't

at some point it goes from "an experiment that will probably work" to "an experiment that can lead to the company's reputation and multiple lives being put at risk"

[inner urchin]

then if they were to experiment then csla would have been the perfect one

but eh wahtever

its done

we cant time travel

yet...

[frigid gorge]

A bit offtopic - til - loading 4 mods that change your main menu doesn't destroy arma.
Therefor arma is a well optimised game

[fading snow]

Exactly. Maybe not livelihoods so much but a lot of rep could get damaged. The devs from the CDLC's and BI.
People saying BI's rep got hurt badly with this are wrong since Arma 3 and CDLC's aren't that interesting for most "BI Followers" anymore I think. Everybody is either waiting for the next big iteration of Arma and the true veterans and hardcore fans still play. See all of us (at least most of us) that are here and discussing are really interested in either Arma or BI or the CDLC. Those who don't care are just gone. Also I know some people are just silently watching how this unfolds. Just remember... everything will be alright 😄

[inner urchin]

true

but that reminds me

all this questions all these speculations

why not just be honest and open up about everyhitng? when in development specifically

like idk how to phrase it

[fading snow]

What are you getting at?

[inner urchin]

but hype these days and games getting killed by hype are from lack of transparecy and awareness

[leaden kite]

My wishlist for Arma 4 is simple: Optimization
then ofc, there's a lot more, but as long as the game becomes a bit better in that department, I'm sure more people will pick it up.
If we could then remove some of the arma jank (not necessarily arma moments), that'd be lovely.
If we then get a non-degrading feel of content on release, I'll be ecstatic

But in the long run, I'm pretty confident that arma 3 as well as 4 will be perfectly fine

[stark turret]

Because situation can do a total 180 on a spot

[grave rock]

If you mean the CDLCs, afaik they can only say what BI approves they can.

[inner urchin]

cyberpunk, fo 76 and now csla

[inner urchin]

see thats kinda fucked

its their product

[stark turret]

And BI is the publisher, and in the most situations publisher has the say.

[inner urchin]

yeah i get that doesnt mean its right just because its true

[grave rock]

I agree but on the other hand, the teams agreed to that stipulation when they entered the program.

[stark turret]

Cyberpunk suffered more from management and publishing decisions

[lunar marsh]

Damn we still talking here lol

[inner urchin]

yes cuz i dont have anything else to do

not really

oh great i got an infraction im in the cool kids club now, anyways moving on

[lunar marsh]

Same

[fading snow]

That was a big problem for the cDLC Testers that participated in the closed beta for csla.

Some of us raised their voices pointing out real issues like the models etc. but the devs mostly ignored our calls for more insight or worked around our questions since they could not legally talk to us about the smallest things regarding development because they signed an NDA, the testers did not.
That's a whole other topic though which I could get into... Basically imo Tester would also have to sign the NDA that the devs signed so obvious problems and further development stuff could be openly discussed so that testers don't feel ignored by the devs.

[inner urchin]

fucking ndas man

i swear these things should be outlawed

[fading snow]

Ah they're good.

But let's not stray to far from the channels topic now 😄

[rough pebble]

To be honest, I have 5800X + 3800MHz ram + 3070, My machine runs smoothly with 60GB mod loaded and 150 AI combating on cam lao nam with ultra graphics quality...

[inner urchin]

when someone makes another person not say something it is usually out of fear

bbut yeah it is another whole can of worms

[grave rock]

NDA's actually have their place. Or would you rather know 100% of everything about a product before it's released?

[inner urchin]

i would appreciate honesty and knowing whats up instead of blank hollow hype

[rough pebble]

Though I agree it's really silly that arma can use only one core/thread and I still cant understand why...

[grave rock]

Honesty yes, but like most things it's a fine line to walk.

[lunar marsh]

Cam lao nam is a very very optimized map

[inner urchin]

true

[leaden kite]

similar situation for me, minus the fact that people in my unit can't say the same

[rough pebble]

Are you serious? No other in my community can goes up to 20 fps...

[lunar marsh]

Yes I'm completely serious.

I've got a very very shitty laptop I play with

[inner urchin]

ok you know what? imma try and tryyyy dipping from this channel

[lunar marsh]

And I get 40 FPS against AI

[inner urchin]

i hope i never come back here again

XD

[rough pebble]

yes, agree, not all people have money on buying high end PCs.

[lunar marsh]

Yeah before you get warned 😦

[rough pebble]

You might playing vanilla and have the "dynamic view distance" feature provided by the DLC enabled.

[lunar marsh]

Negative with UNSUNG, S&S and such

Lets go to #sog_prairie_fire

[north torrent]

@rough vortex

Lastly, the textures are better than CUP's across the board.

I do not and did not join into the chorus of negativity here, but complaining about people complaining about CSLA and then turning around and bashing CUP is a wee bit hypocritical to me. I would prefer if people left CUP out of this, on whatever side. That includes you.

Thank you very much

[manic steppe]

I love cup

[north torrent]

Thank you. But my point is, I don't want to see CUP wielded as a bludgeoning tool against anything, and I do not appreciate it being bashed by the same people that complain about the bludgeoning.

[granite crow]

Pretty sure that guy said he worked on CUP in the CSLA discord yesterday 🤷

[north torrent]

I know who he is. He was part of the CUP team but there is not a single commit of his in the repository that I can find, so "worked on CUP" is a stretch. But that's really off-topic, all I wanted to say was what I said above 🙂

[granite crow]

Righto. Just thought it was funny/ironic

[glossy musk]

Do the tanks in the DLC have interiors?

[cursive vine]

And the world burns.

[fading snow]

Yes they do

[vestal prawn]

Definitely. Players sign NDAs for alpha/supporter versions of games. Why shouldn't testers?

[simple quiver]

i dont think not signing an NDA hampered testing or feedback, but its just standard practice

[manic steppe]

I'm suprised people like LJ from JSRS wasn't hired like in PF
Or liberation from the KP team stuff like that

Pf out the box came with a lot in regards to MP and editor modules and the like

[fading snow]

Testing and feedback from the testers side didn't get hampered. Not at all.
What did get hampered was the discussion between us (the testers) and the devs from csla. Yes in a usual case it's not a testers field to go poking around why certain stuff is the way it is and how it should be changed for a better result as they are mostly there to provide feedback and report found bugs etc. but with CSLA it was a bit different once the inital discussion about the model and asset quality started and the devs couldn't really respond because they could not talk about certain things. Sure an NDA which is suited for testers also wouldn't have totally solved that since the devs still have other NDA's with BI which prohibit them from sharing certain things even with the testers... but it still would have helped our discussion in the channel. which I don't want to disclose here publicly but I see you have access to the channel and can see for yourself.

[upper galleon]

The devs for csla do not work with anyone else, apparently theyre totally arrogant and think they dont need help from anyone. with a 20% approval on steam that says it all. good riddance

dedmen said it yesterday as well that the devs for this mod didnt reach out at all while all the others did

lets all hope this is the end for cdlc and lets everyone return to modding as a hobby, not as a business

want money? go professional

[fading snow]

I do not hope this is the end for cdlc's, obviously opinions on them always have been varying some find it a cool thing like me to enable "modders" to get some reward for their work and maybe make a name for themselves. Also the money will most likely encourage them to work more and harder then they would normally which Mondkalb already said yesterday IIRC. But as I said that's my opinion 😄

[scenic cove]

Nope, it's specifically Cold War Czechoslovak forces as opposed to 21st-century Czech troops (as in not including Slovak)

[jolly lantern]

not to me specifically.
But maybe they didn't need anything ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jolly lantern]

Why stop? CDLC project was a huge success so far, for everyone involved. Devs, BI, Players.

[manic steppe]

Yeah shouldn't stop the cdlc program just because of 1 iffy one

[stray bridge]

But this does not mean that you need to produce such a hack and earn money on it

[manic steppe]

Is there a BI QA pass that it has to complete? (Genuine question)

[jolly lantern]

So you say everything should be stopped just because you don't like one of the results. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Noone forces you to even look at the CDLC

[stray bridge]

No one knows this, but I am extremely surprised by the fact that the game developers allowed this to be sold

[manic steppe]

I mean as long as a cdlc doesn't impact the core games reputation 👍

[stray bridge]

It is put up for sale on behalf of BIS, this is enough for criticism. If you want to sell a project, work hard.

[fading snow]

BIS has nothing to do with this?

[manic steppe]

Well kinda it's their game it's played on

Plus they are the publishers

[fading snow]

What?

Do you even know what BIS is ?

[stray bridge]

Iron Curtain was not worthy to be sold as a CDLC, that's all the claims.

[manic steppe]

Oh bis

[fading snow]

yes 😄

[manic steppe]

Sorry thought you meant bi lol

[leaden kite]

Criticism, yes. But what you're putting out there is not criticism. It's just you complaining. There's a difference.
Furthermore, BI does have some responsibility in this, however, this is still the creation of the CSLA studio.

[stray bridge]

BIS have a direct relationship to this, they act as a publisher.

[manic steppe]

BIS is not BI

[stray bridge]

BI*

[cyan karma]

BIS is another company

[granite crow]

No, BIS is only associated in name only with BI

[manic steppe]

I think because in the past wasn't it called bohemia interactive studios?

Not simulation

[bold iron]

The name is never not going to cause confusion lol.

[granite crow]

That's when BISim and BIStudios were under the same company

[manic steppe]

Gotchya

[stray bridge]

The main thing is that you understand

[stray bridge]

Have you seen DShK?

Cringe.

[thick parcel]

That's... what CDLC is?

[stray bridge]

The shape, the sounds, the textures, it's all terrible. The only thing that is well done in Iron Curtain - T-72, the rest is garbage.

[thick parcel]

That's overreacting imo

It has problems and would've benefitted from more development time

But saying the T-72 is the only good thing in there is just ridiculous

[stray bridge]

Well, the map is also good.

[thick parcel]

Map, T-72, 5T trucks, UAZ off the top of my head

[leaden kite]

And so is the abrams. And so is the LAV. and so are most of the czech ground vehicles.

and some of the unarmed vehicles, too

[thick parcel]

The biggest problem right now are some of the infantry assets and the soundscape, then there's of course some bugs

[stray bridge]

https://sun9-39.userapi.com/impg/gIGKYf0F0CgiFdat_2mZCgFmxTp7d3ORr5lFRA/gTsi1A2mFms.jpg?size=1280x720&quality=96&sign=91c602f059571e95fed9c5681ed27ca5&type=album GM

https://sun9-24.userapi.com/impg/rzlzmgwnawKhy2JyiqVWNMNTXKg9gW1nVrFvdQ/puXpGLiksOE.jpg?size=1280x720&quality=96&sign=e9eeb41371bb1a79bbe99a2cbf50bb54&type=album CSLA

[thick parcel]

To summarize - as long as the devs don't give up on it and keep improving it, it has good potential

[stray bridge]

Ahahah

[fading snow]

provide a description to those links or they will get deleted

[leaden kite]

I don't see what's wrong with those pictures.

[thick parcel]

I don't see an issue with the two SKOTs

[fading snow]

No but Discord rule states do provide a description when posting links

[thick parcel]

Yeah, but I was referring to him

The SKOTs are both pretty nice

[leaden kite]

One is clean, one is not. Congratulations. Horribly scammed by CSLA /s

[thick parcel]

It's two different renditions

They'll never be perfect either

For example the one in GM, while perhaps being a bit more visually pleasing, has the driver's protective shield missing

[stray bridge]

https://sun9-35.userapi.com/impg/qgrWXetAdZDOkPn4UjPxxRw7De57FfaXxh2Y7A/AAawJLRAFng.jpg?size=1280x1022&quality=96&sign=3667cd0721a6a14ce73a6d9f0279cc55&type=album CSLA

Is this acceptable?

[thick parcel]

It could definitely use some work

[fading snow]

Yeah I was referring to Funnypig 😄

[ruby cliff]

#csla_iron_curtain message tbh the CSLA one looks just as good

not sure if the GM one has an interior either, CSLA does no?

[thick parcel]

Both have interiors

[upper galleon]

What is AFMC?

[thick parcel]

AFMC is a fictional army that appeared in A2's ČSLA mod

[upper galleon]

Interesting since the CDLC contains a ton of files called AFMC. Check the depot here on steamdb for yourself:
https://steamdb.info/depot/1294440/

but they never would just sell their arma 2 mod in arma 3 yes?

[thick parcel]

Well, they're not in the DLC 😄

[stray bridge]

Mod for Arma 2 sold in Arma 3. Yes.

[thick parcel]

I didn't go data mining, but if it's just the naming convention....

[sour ginkgo]

The T-72 has not

[stray bridge]

They spent 10 years making a mod for arma 2, tweaked it a bit and sold it to arma 3.

[thick parcel]

The tanks have fake interiors

APCs have real ones

[sour ginkgo]

At least the T-72 has blacked out interiors and somehow I can't change seats by Scrollwheel but by the right mouse button

In that specific one

[thick parcel]

Right mouse button? How does that work?

Can you send a screenshot? That's weird

[sour ginkgo]

I click it and am switched to the other position

[thick parcel]

You should be able to see black interior but with "windows" outside if you look around

[sour ginkgo]

It's only noticeable by the position of the main "gun"

No, I#m somewhat locked to the zoomed in vision, can't look around either

but Im running only the compat version

Maybe it's that

[thick parcel]

That shouldn't be the problem

If you get out and get back in, is it still borked?

[sour ginkgo]

Trying

you mean turning out right?

[thick parcel]

Exit the vehicle altogether

Hell, at best, exit Arma and validate files 😄

Are you running any mods maybe?

[sour ginkgo]

I am running mods

I did restart Arma, but it's the same

Position changes by RMB

That does not happen with the CUP T-72

Note that in the CSLA-version there are no place entries in the scrollwheel menue

But there is a short blending out and blending in with the RMB functionality so it clearly triggers the animation

Oh my, no. Im not switching positions! It is actually the "zooming" in.

[meager dome]

there is no rule against selling your own mod as part of the cdlc project as long as the mod itself remains available

[raven glen]

as an airplane fan, I'm disappointed that the dug-in hangar doors cannot be opened with the "Edit Terrain Object" module As a side note, while only 4 doors show up when you put the module nearby, the module has 6 door options in its attributes

[scenic cove]

iirc the proscription is against removing your released free A3 mod to resell as CDLC... whereas they never released for Arma 3 at all because the CDLC program got announced first and thus they chose to pitch to BI instead

[jolly lantern]

Remember, this channel is about a CDLC. So please stay on topic, yet again

[leaden kite]

oh. I was also referring to the person, not you. Apologies

[fading snow]

No worries 😄

[scenic cove]

Turret rotation speed on tanks has been fixed internally

[leaden kite]

I think Rimmy's take on it is the best so far, displaying all the quirks and bad parts while still showing some of the cool stuff

[scenic cove]

Yeah, there was a bunch of 'huh?' going on above and beyond the looks, but so much that was unironically liked... and I vaguely recall this including the assets with no A2 counterpart (and thus no CUP or RHS comparisons to make negatively)

[raven glen]

It seems some of the assets people call out as being cup assets really are just a different flavor. CUP already has two different MLRS classes for two warhead types, and this cdlc is adding another. The turning out and front slats are nice too. I'd probably replace weapons with CUP versions though, but I hope they fix many of the issues such as sound and rof

quad bike motorbike is sad though

[visual leaf]

This is the motorbike! It doesn't even lean anymore 😅 https://youtu.be/4lgHVz2HGQM?t=636

[raven glen]

i was on stream for that. I don't use it, but come on!

[pine plume]

Yeah, it has to be the worst bike ever made

Tbh, quality of this low tier mod (Let's be honest, it is) could've been predicted when they didn't bother going further with their website than using blogspot. And they link to it using http instead of https

[fickle narwhal]

I'd rather them spend time on the mod than making a better website personally

[leaden kite]

most browsers redirect to https anyway

[pine plume]

Tbh, I think they would've spent less time just using squarespace or something than blogspot, and it would've looked way sleeker.

[brittle thicket]

searches CSLA iron curtain

Majority of the vids are titled "csla not worth it" or "why you shouldnt buy CSLA"

not a good 1st impression but ill see what they say

[leaden kite]

check Rimmy's video

that's probably the best take I've seen so far

[scenic cove]

It's a very mixed bag, which isn't to say 'more bad than good', but rather how much do you weigh one aspect over the other... e.g. people who spoke up have tended to like the included terrain, whether or not they thought that it alone was worth the current CDLC price

[copper monolith]

It's gaining percentages slowly, up to 23% now. So the initial wave is fizzling out perhaps.

[timid quartz]

If people suddenly think terrains are worth $12 im going to learn how to make one and have it as a cDLC

[scenic cove]

If Bohemia Interactive says yes... 😉

[leaden kite]

I mean

I'd like that tbh

[timid quartz]

They say yes to CSLA? Can't be that hard...

Id pay 12 for BI to "port" Chernarus from DayZSA tho

[scenic cove]

Terrain building Can't be that hard 🤣

[timid quartz]

I know the terrain building is hard as fuck but getting accepted clearly isnt

[agile field]

Terrain Building isn't hard, just annoying and difficult to learn

also, you need a pretty good CPU

unless you plan to use your PC as an overnight heater, of course

[scenic cove]

fwiw, in regards to the M163 VADS having vanilla target lead indicator (TLI) support instead of vanilla sensors, according to CSLA Studio's SunCZu on their Discord that's intentional: the radar IRL was ranging-only, not search/track capable like the Cheetah/Tigris turrets' IRL counterpart, so the TLI instead represents the lead-computing sight

[timid quartz]

The VADS gives off horrible artifacts when fired full auto while ADSd

[agile field]

won't buy the DLC, but not planning to cry about it in public channels

nice map, but I'll stick with prairie fire as my preferred DLC

and the map is based

[scenic cove]

Also fwiw, same developer regarding the T-72 versions in the CDLC in its Discord... the laser rangefinder's red dot is apparently not center-of-screen IRL, but Arma doesn't simulate the LRF being off-center as well

[fickle narwhal]

I almost pitched that as a CDLC

[timid quartz]

I would love that

[fickle narwhal]

Yeah so the problem is if you wanted to do a decently sized terrain yourself you're probably looking at one year at least... without custom assets. Depends on how much free time you have though I guess

[scenic cove]

And there is Chernarus 2020 which is a separate thing/not compatible with missions based on CUP Terrains' original Chernarus

[brittle thicket]

Id pay to have 1:1 scale altis and stratis on the same map

[timid quartz]

I swear there was a mod for that

[visual leaf]

True but I would rather say that "Missions made for the older Chernarus map are not compatible with the updated Chernarus 2020 map" rather than saying that "Chernarus 2020 is not compatible with those missions made for the older map".

[brittle thicket]

bc i think altis is 75% scale compared to irl lemnos

[celest seal]

I also believe I have seen something like this somewhere on the workshop though I don't recall a name.

[scenic cove]

Yup, among other differences that the then-project lead for Arma 3 mentioned in the wake of the infamous arrests... I believe while the Bohemia Interactive developers in question were still in jail...

[fickle narwhal]

It isn't possible without altering the map significantly. They have different cell sizes (I think)

[timid quartz]

So watching Rimmy's video, is the Arma 2 (let's call it what it is) Motorbike actually the ATV?

[brittle thicket]

tfw beta gun sounds

full auto suppressed has audio skipping

[leaden kite]

yes, weirdly enough

I'm not even sure why

just makes no sense, maybe it was a placeholder and forgotten

[timid quartz]

people saying Rimmy's video is "balanced" its pretty much shitting on it but being a bit nicer than the people in this Discord lmao

[timid quartz]

placeholder like the Arma 2 bike model itself?

Or the Sa-61 pistol reload animation in the sidearm slot? Though they have a regular Sa-61 reload - just so messed up

[leaden kite]

I wish I could give it that but no lul

[leaden kite]

he's still shitting on the bad parts which is fine. But he also points out good parts about it, i t's not just "THIS IS GARBAGE" or "MYYAAA"

[viscid helm]

If there's one asset that this mod really got me pissed, it's this

The tank crew helmet

For the czech

[scenic cove]

Can confirm, was there when it was live

[brittle thicket]

Also beta explosion sounds

[timid quartz]

I really love some of the Czech vehicles, like the Dana (?) Howitzer, the Goliaths, the map is alright too but that's it for me tbh

[obtuse storm]

what about the amazing dirt bike lol

[leaden kite]

which is about most I can say, as well

[celest seal]

Kinda thought the US Airborne troops were kinda funky (in a good way)

[viscid helm]

Some of the czech vehicles are based

[timid quartz]

we just talked about that, looks as if the Dirt Bike is using the ATV's hit box

[scenic cove]

Sounds like what you liked was the stuff that no one else but CSLA ws depicting

[leaden kite]

handling and hitbox*

[obtuse storm]

Just a reskin pretty much.

[leaden kite]

it's not even a reskin

[scenic cove]

The F813 Goliath = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatra_813 and the ShKH-77 DANA = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/152mm_SpGH_DANA

[timid quartz]

Yeah, but are 8 vehicles and an OK map worth $12? The rest of the stuff isn't to me

[leaden kite]

it's a 1:1 port with worse physics 🤔

[timid quartz]

Like even the T-72s don't hold a candle (is that the saying?) to Glob Mob's tanks in unique sounds and quality

[scenic cove]

As odd as this may sound, I've come to believe that this CDLC would have looked better were it released with just the stuff that no A3 mods were depicting

[leaden kite]

I mean for the price I'm not expecting globmob quality. But I do expect everything to work and for it to at least meet A3 standards

[timid quartz]

I am really pissed at the horrible sounds for this cDLC, so much vanilla stuff - like hello, 8 year old sounds here

SOGPF set a standard with their sound design imo, loved the atmosphere

[scenic cove]

I say looked, mind you... that wouldn't excuse the sounds, or the config weirdness

[leaden kite]

like vanilla sounds.. sure.. annoying, but fair. But as long as it works.

[scenic cove]

I'm not weighing SOGPF against it at all because I'm not getting that... even moreso after hearing about the massive disparity in number of developers and budget

[leaden kite]

but the thing is that it doesn't work

[brittle thicket]

Hopefully JSRS pulls thru and un-fucks all the sounds

[leaden kite]

they will, just give it time for the compat

[timid quartz]

I love the end to Rimmy's video "I am never booting that again"

[leaden kite]

I mean rn it's not in a state I can genuinely suggest

[next bolt]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2518713481

[timid quartz]

I mean, idk if Drewski is going to make a video, idk if I can do it any better than Rimmy... Don't forget how Drew treated GM when it released, so I mean.. CSLA shouldn't hold it's breath for Drew to be nice at all

[brittle thicket]

i cant believe i sat around for months and months asking "release when" for this

[leaden kite]

this is why I intentionally keep myself deprived of info

no expectations, just going in as blind as possible

[scenic cove]

looks at the omitted F-5, L-29/L-39, and MiG-29

Not that I blame them for that one if they came to the same conclusion as Mondkalb did about jets in Arma 🤷

[brittle thicket]

Jets suck ass in this game ngl

maps are waaaay to small

[next bolt]

Best to work from bottom up, infantry, wheeled, tracked, rotor, fixed wing.

[bold iron]

To be fair, the best comment I saw on fast-movers recently was someone flagging how ridiculous it is that a jet can cross a map that's a (scaled down) representation of South-East Asia in two to three minutes.

That applies to some rotary aircraft as well. But this is a subject for another channel, really.

[scenic cove]

Even if the maps were smaller... how much can infantry get to do when fast air can 'do it all'?

But yeah, if CSLA Studio came to that conclusion too then I can see why there's only the An-2 (like how GM's only fixed-wing are both transports)... though more helicopters would alleviate that

[bold mulch]

show me a crewman RandeZooking on the top of a building and rescuing hostages

[leaden kite]

"way too small" -> 100-250km²
Meanwhile something like GTA is barely 20km²

[bold mulch]

GTA is not a military simulator

Arma 3 is

[plush thunder]

arma is not either

arma is more realistic sure, but not a sim

lmfao

[leaden kite]

well yes. But altis and malden are both 75% scale iirc? Like.. if that's your AO, that's just how it is. Not like Jet pilots go "I really wish this island was bigger!"

[bold mulch]

GTA V map is full of unique locations with a lot of interactions while in Arma you have 5 buildings within a kilometer square without even one shitter

[plush thunder]

GTA and ARMA are apples to oranges, different theme, engine and mechanics

[bold mulch]

ok and?

[plush thunder]

that you cant compare the two of them

[bold mulch]

someone mentions both then that's the topic now

[royal cloud]

Drewski's GM video was a shame tbh

[bold mulch]

jet pilots are begging for bigger maps and PMC Terrains delivers, but Arma 3 can't handle such at all

[twilit iris]

Arma isn't trying to appeal to the flight sim crowd tho

I would hate for them to cost map quality so they can stretch it thin

[bold mulch]

why stretch anything if you can just optimize your game

[plush thunder]

thats not how arma works

[leaden kite]

I mean. Again, though

they're at 75% scale

that's just... the size of it (mostly)

[bold mulch]

and all are islands

[twilit iris]

I don't expect arma to ever try and reach like a DCS size map

I mean the engine is possible for Attack on helicopters maps

what more do you need

They can't possibly create a terrain of that size and still offer a good ground experience

[leaden kite]

I would like bigger maps ofc. Or more optimized ones so we can have more detail (urban maps), but I think optimizations are deffo the more important part

[twilit iris]

The bigger cities you have the less individual detail you can allow

[leaden kite]

modern technology definitely allows for pretty damn detailed maps though

[bold mulch]

so what, you're gonna force modders not to make bigger maps instead of forcing developers to make the next arma iteration handle more assets better?

do you want to play on 1x1 Bastogne map over and over?

[plush thunder]

the engine is what it is. It has its limitations

[leaden kite]

that's why a new engine is being made

[twilit iris]

There's a limit to what you can expect, why work overtime to optimize an engine for a map size only a niche community would use

[plush thunder]

either way we're off topic

[twilit iris]

I'm sure it will be bigger

[timid quartz]

community as a whole reacted wrongly to GM, shame because they bit the bullet and I think did an amazing job, yeah their campaign made me ragequit too lmao and the AI was a bit emssy but the assets were great and GM team really added so much content for FREE over time!

[unkempt sun]

yeah that's why the next arma iteration will likely handle that stuff better?

[bold mulch]

yeah and modders doing big terrains give developers some feedback about how big should maps be in the next iteration

[unkempt sun]

modders have likely tried doing big terrains, that feedback is goin around fine. There's only so much modders can do though

[brittle thicket]

Arma 3 cant even handle missions with basic ai

[unkempt sun]

so CSLA not worth it though?

[plush thunder]

no

[fickle narwhal]

Depends on what you want

[bold mulch]

if you want to make screenshots in a M113 with GAU on the new map then buy it

if you want to actually play it than eeeh

[brittle thicket]

CSLA is a dumpster fire

[manic steppe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lgHVz2HGQM
Uploader: Rimmy
Video on CDLC
Not from me
But its a good watch and might be good for the devs to watch 😊

[bold mulch]

it was posted and mentioned here a number of times

[manic steppe]

Oh

My apologies

[bold mulch]

and yeah it sums up everything we have noticed so far, however I must say the ability to drag dead bodies is cool

map is... cooln't but delivers

everything else just has to be redone

[scenic cove]

I first found that out in Rimmy's stream

[brittle thicket]

i aint touching this DLC with a 10ft pole

[twilit iris]

I really enjoy the r-34s features

[brittle thicket]

[plush thunder]

this

[twilit iris]

Being able to mount it as a mine or the offensive / defensive modes

pretty cool features for something like a grenade

Having an on the fly fuze system to change from a traditional to impact grenade

never even knew those existed for the czechs

I mean if you're not touching it with a 10ft pole, why continue to talk about it here?

[timid quartz]

in Rimmy's video they both were impacts lmao

[brittle thicket]

^

[twilit iris]

hmm, they seemed to work properly for me, ill have to check that again

I'd like to see that fixed quickly tho

because the concept is wonderful

[fickle narwhal]

Yeah I think mine worked fine although I couldn't place the stick one. I wonder if Rimmys both exploded on impact because they hit an object

[scenic cove]

notices that the CDLC's MH-60A DAP (FFAR) currently looks like the UH-60 but with fuel tanks when the ESSS is enabled... now the lack of dynamic loadouts for the UH-60 being dependent on the ESSS annoys me a bit more than it used to

[twilit iris]

I don't understand what you mean tho, hitting an object would cause an impact explosion

[timid quartz]

Did someone compare the CSLA Blackhawks to the Arma 2 models?

iirc the A2 models and the CSLA both say "rescue" on one side and say "rescue" but mirrored on the other

[scenic cove]

Yeah, that came up yesterday, but I find that a cosmetic issue 🤷

[fickle narwhal]

Things can behave differently when they hit the ground versus when they hit an object

[twilit iris]

oh copy that

[timid quartz]

down to the "rescue" being writted mirrored on both models? It's 2021 not 2009

[twilit iris]

I was throwing them at the range so

[scenic cove]

I'm more annoyed at the MH-60/UH-60 not being a single model with 'want the DAP? Enable the ESSS component and you get pylons, so you can stick fuel tanks or the rocket pods on them'... though the MH-60A DAP (FFAR) at least has fixed-forward Miniguns as well as the rocket pods 🤷

[twilit iris]

I mean arma 3 fixed this issue on some of their models by just not including text, some of the skins are still the same trick of flipping them

It's a trick to save space on textures

Not horribly irredeemable

[scenic cove]

Thanks to Grahame, here's a quick-fix for the lack of Editor-visible CSLA buildings: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2519349256

[timid quartz]

kinda weird that has to be made into a mod.. The reasoning of "We don't want to clutter the editor" is ridiculous to me as there are ~12 Alice backpacks that are literally the same, same goes for other Backpacks

[inner jackal]

Agreed. The mod shouldn't be needed for long. I needed it myself to do stuff for the Epoch mod

[dense sun]

any server for this dlc?

[fading snow]

#csla_iron_curtain message

[dense sun]

capture and hold? where is that gamemode?

[bold mulch]

on the server

[dense sun]

ah is not a type, is the mission name

[fading snow]

Don't know sorry

[golden reef]

Is the M113 AA not supposed to destroy the Hip?

Put over a 100 rounds into the cockpit and just killed the crew.

[manic steppe]

Or blow it up with zeus lightning bolt

[golden reef]

Good option.

[upper galleon]

Arma 3 and big urban areas don't really play ball with eachother, sadly

[leaden kite]

it was related to next arma

[upper galleon]

Ah, thought it was related to the CDLC,

[solemn kraken]

I hope its the next thing they imrpove on for arma 4, if they don't add proper urban enviroments then it will just be a pass for me. Atlis did it good but I am more looking forward to more larger scale buildings. Dayz is a pretty good look into whats possible

[twilit iris]

don’t put your bets on it, arma 3 had smaller sized interiors from previous games

Instead of every room of a building being enterable, it was simplified to just a lobby

[solemn kraken]

I mean I dont mind if the actual cities look realistic and good

I dont expect them to fully detail every room with a bunch of furniture since that will lag the game I just want stuff that can actually pass off as real

like I said dayz now is a pretty good look into what to expect for arma 4

[leaden kite]

I wouldn't mind having simplified building interiors, but I deffo want furnished and proper interiors as far as that goes. As well as AI that doesn't phase through walls

[solemn kraken]

exactly

[twilit iris]

Realistically arma 4 won’t break too far from arma 3, the formula already works it just needs some optimizations

[leaden kite]

I mean. I want arma 4, not arma 3.5

[timid quartz]

So you do not want Reforger then 😛 or that might even be Arma 2.5 from what I've seen/heard so far

[solemn kraken]

I am not expecting the gameplay to change, I dont want it to change. I just want actual urban enviroments, which I think they should step up

if it will be like arma 3 with no barely/slight changes to it then I really dont care for the series anymore

[twilit iris]

Arma’s never been known for its urban combat tho, it’s new turf

[solemn kraken]

like I said dayz, dayz shows whats possible

[twilit iris]

DayZ is focused on individuals, having a heavy urban focus pulls away from combined arms functionality

[leaden kite]

I'd say it's quite the contrary

[manic steppe]

Reforger apparently is only MP according to that known leaker
So a little bit like Argo

But who knows how accurate

[leaden kite]

If Urban combat becomes a thing that isn't jank af, then armor working closely together with infanty and JTAC/air providing intel becomes crucial.
But ig this is more of a non- #csla_iron_curtain convo

[west schooner]

you know, aside from the jankyness that is what we have now, im kind of still excited, i think the vehicles look great, the camo textures are very crisp. i just wished we had more, that said i think ill keep my CDLC purchase, in hope that the thing gets fixed, and then maybe they will give us a free expansion that might add alot more things that they missed later down the road. i mean if things get working properly this would look great alongside CWR3 and mixed about, arma 3 really needs some quality 80's 90's rather than the over saturation of ultra modern we have now.

[solemn kraken]

I don't doubt it will eventually be good. I think the problem is that they released what basically was a CUP clone for 13 usd and that it was offically backed and approved by bohemia. It just shows that we could be in a position where large ok quality mods could just be labeled as expansion dlcs.

[timid quartz]

Sad that CUP had to come out and say that (which reflects poorly on CSLA), but I am glad they came out and said it

[simple quiver]

that wasnt meant to throw anyone under the bus, some people were making dishonest accusations and speculations so we made a statement to clarify things

[timid quartz]

What I wrote wasn't an attack on the CUP team, just think it's good you guys put that out there, before any theories get traction.

[simple quiver]

i didnt interpret your message that way, no worries ☮️

[west schooner]

tbh i get where the fuss is comming from, but regardless of where the assets came from or how they were made, almost everything has something from another mod, arma 3 has models from arma 2, the dlc's have models from arma 3, other mods have things from other mods and dlc's i mean thats how we get duplicate structures and sandbags in the eden editor that are named the same, look the same but have the mod, or dlc's logo next to it. i dont know why it happens maybe its because they have toadd it to there mod or dlc to add it to there maps idk just my thought, no grudge here though just the way things have been.

[wispy solar]

Are official CSLA servers on the new map?

[turbid summit]

yes, all of them

[uncut rapids]

so should i get CSLA

or sog prairie fire

[leaden kite]

sog

[echo sluice]

sog

not both

[wispy solar]

SOG appears currently like it's more well baked... but more expensive
The maps will each offer a very different but good experience

[west schooner]

its up to you xe, i personally have both, like all things that just come out, CSLA just needs work im confident it will be fixed. both add to arma 3 differently.

you can keep your czech... i just wanted the 80's 90's US military stuff 😛

i know i was just yankn your chain lol

[wispy solar]

The map seems the main selling point currently.... I hope the vehicles get polished up too

[west schooner]

yeah CSLA has a pretty cool map i can tell alot of work whent into it anybody check out the big giant sink hole thingy, and a couple caves?

the roadway turned airstrip is pretty cool too, i wonder if it works with autoland and if it does does it smck you into a bridge? xD

[feral trellis]

Whenever I try to place a squad down it crashes my game any help please?

[visual leaf]

What is done is done... but Bohemia Interactive really needs to intervene now and do some damage control. Otherwise rather than victims they will end up looking like accomplices on this whole fiasco.

In McDonalds if they spill your coke they give their customers a free ice cream in compensation or at least an apology or a "we will fix this" statement but BI gives us nothing so far.

And BI is no longer a small indie garage company they made millions with DayZ and Arma 3, they need to step up their PR game!

[timid quartz]

BI wont say anything, saying something implies fault

[feral trellis]

Yeah and I can’t place squads😡

[visual leaf]

The revenue is 50/50... but the fault is 100% just CSLA team?

[timid quartz]

Hey, I'm just the messenger

But yeah clearly BI signed off on this, and they are at fault

[visual leaf]

BI is the only responsible party involved here that has the resources to do something about the situation and besides their brand image is worth far more that what doing some damage control would cost them... Additionally BI has a lot more to loose (customers trust, quality/professionalism image etc) compared to the small and unknown CSLA team that just looses some revenue but nothing more.

Hell, the whole cDLC program will end up looking bad and hurting if they don't damage control this

[timid quartz]

We called BI out on this back when CSLA was first announced dude, when we got to test it

And a 2nd test was NEVER allowed, though we asked!

[visual leaf]

So they just don't give a damn then... incredible!

[timid quartz]

Well idk who controls that, but one test was done

And never a second after 7-8 months of CSLA work

And now we have things like the CAR-15 having bugged audio in full auto suppressed fire, something that would've been caught in 5 SECONDS by any tester

Or the Helos knocking over trees which was marked as fixed but still is broken, 2nd test would've found this

But I assume, the negative reaction from testers back in late 2020 put CSLA/BI off from doing more tests, dropping this cDLC without much fanfare or advertising

[visual leaf]

There are like hundreds of infantile bugs that wouldn't even be hard to fix but I guess both parties were so disinterested on the project that none of them could care to fix them or even test it for that matter. The saddest part is that situations like these not only hurt the current community but I am also even loosing hope for Enfusion and the future of the franchise. This is behaviour you could expect from a 20 employees small local company but never from a multinational "AAA" company with over 150+ employees...

[timid quartz]

If you are waiting for anything from BI, I think you shouldn't hold your breath. CSLA devs called tester feedback in 2020 "Toxic" so they aren't fans of receiving comments or feedback it seems. I am very disappointed in how this has all been handled, mostly because some parts of the cDLC are promising

[visual leaf]

And so the whole "this is our homecountry cDLC and we are very exited" was just a bunch of huge bull💩

[timid quartz]

The lack of marketing spoke volumes to me

[visual leaf]

Now that you mention it... their words said "we love this" but their actions actually said "we couldn't care less about this" given the virtual CERO marketing it got...

[timid quartz]

GM had a bit of marketing, they even gave me some exclusive screenshots to make a video with

SOGPF had a whole website with legit 200 screenshots and pictures

CSLA was hidden from testers as I assume BI/CSLA team knew testers wouldn't stand for it's current state

Stuff like "Reammo Truck" or the CAR-15 bug are so easy to fix

[visual leaf]

Yeah or the object placement on the maps where you have lamp lights inside rocks under water etc... lots more optimisation could have been done. The bike doesn't lean, one tank has inverted PIP images for left and right.... the buildings show door icons that open invisible doors etc

[timid quartz]

Lamp is on purpose, allegedly

[timid quartz]

The bike (from Arma 2, lets not act like it's not, with those textures lmao) is actually using the Arma 3 Quad bike hitbox

[visual leaf]

Exactly and don't even get me started on the sounds! Lots of the sounds are just vanilla sounds for "futuristic weapons and assets" that could hardly fit 80's asset sounds... not even remotely!

Like the sound is the worst part of this cDLCs... even worst than the models, the reused A2 content retextured or even the countless bugs

[timid quartz]

The lack of good sound design is so obvious after SOGPF did such an amazing job

[visual leaf]

Well SOG even surpassed vanilla in the whole sounds department if you ask me, but GM for example had far better sound, new and on part with vanilla in quality but fitting their assets and the time period.

What GM lacked was immersion via amazing custom UI and scripts and innovation in terms of mission design like SOG had, but other than that GM could have easily been on par with SOG in terms of overall quality. In fact to my eyes both are equally good!

[wispy solar]

Some think GM passes SOG in quality... are we still on topic 😅

Anybody posted a map fly-over yet?

[visual leaf]

If your comment is in relation to CSLA compared to SOG and GM then yes we are still on topic 😅

[wispy solar]

Speculating on why the community has bad vibes is a bit of a moot topic and I'm not sure if there's any update from devs yet?

[visual leaf]

Lots of people, including very influential media people and us the fans and players are waiting for an official update really, from BI, CSLA or whatever... But none so far

[wispy solar]

They could just be waiting if the community forms a consesus or changes opinion somewhat

[visual leaf]

The general consent is that BI remains quiet on the matter because they are too focused on whatever they are going to announce on June 22nd...

[inner jackal]

They could be dealing with the issues and working on a hotfix. They are active elsewhere. Don't blame them for not being here

[wispy solar]

Sounds like the smartest thing to do, tbh

[timid quartz]

Dont think you have to expect one, CSLA devs said they wont even break even on the cDLC so I doubt they care anymore, but that's my view.

[wispy solar]

"you complained... look we already fixed. And B and C too..."

[visual leaf]

Yeah but if they are working on a hot fix why just not say it in advance?

[inner jackal]

They have... elsewhere

[timid quartz]

Bro they were told a bug, they claimed they fixed it 8 months ago, and its still in the release build lmao

[inner jackal]

Oops... reply meant for Valmont

[visual leaf]

Where?

[inner jackal]

The CSLA discord 🤔

Well, after all the crap here yesterday I can hardly blame them

[visual leaf]

Speculation or true story? Because we often get copy paste images of everything important said over there... and we got nothing

[wispy solar]

Because we'd assume it anyway. And wouldn't probably give them a good controllable narrative.

[timid quartz]

Maybe some of the crap is deserved? People pay money for a paid thing, they feel they deserve a certain thing in return, quality wasn't there across the board. Not excusing any prrsonal attacks, that isn't good

[inner jackal]

Don't know... just know what I see on that discord

[inner jackal]

Got no issue with criticism. I have been vocal. But 95% of the posts here yesterday were just trolling

[frigid gorge]

Some is deserved, but nowhere close to all of it

[visual leaf]

Well in the meantime they are getting review raped on steam for not declaring "don't worry we will fix the issues"

[wispy solar]

@visual leafAlso I don't think many very small dev teams are good or active in communication...

[frigid gorge]

Criticism is good - baseless attacking isn't

[timid quartz]

BI could help them 👀

[inner jackal]

You assume that they are not ofc

[visual leaf]

Yeah I was talking about BI really, I am not expecting anything from the CSLA team after what sherman shared with us

[timid quartz]

I doubt ^

Why ruin the party

[wispy solar]

Good controllable narrative? I doubt 😅

[timid quartz]

I dont expect anyone to say anything from it from BI, ever

Would be to admit fault

[visual leaf]

In fact, they should probably do something about this before june 22nd not to spoil the party with angry players shoving their so recent shameful display regarding the cDLC

[wispy solar]

BI could just say they learned lessons and will improve in the future

what party is there 22nd btw? 😃

[timid quartz]

20 year of BI iirc

[visual leaf]

They have already said that during the DayZ development, like a million times... no one believes them now

[inner jackal]

Sigh... 20 years of OFP/ARMA not BI

[timid quartz]

Okay, sorry sir, lmao

[inner jackal]

They had that celebration in 2019 🙂 https://www.bohemia.net/blog/20-years-pf-bohemia-interactive

[wispy solar]

And they're saying nothing of ARMA 4? It must still be ways off 🤔

[timid quartz]

Reforger first

[wispy solar]

Makes me intrigued what exactly they can say to us

[upper galleon]

nobody asked for reforger

Bi suddenly turned into a fish and no longer has ears to listen

[timid quartz]

Nothing, no announcements to be made they said

[inner jackal]

They can help us celebrate 20 years basically... some of us have been playing these games for 20 years

[upper galleon]

Project Argo 2

[inner jackal]

Argo was cool but OT for this channel #end_of_life_arma

[upper galleon]

just let tencent step in and $upport the project for CSLA :3

[fading snow]

There also is a dedicated Argo Discord

[inner jackal]

Sees Dedmen typing ... ... Hides 😉

[copper jackal]

so theres no mention of a fix in the future? for csla?

[inner jackal]

The CSLA devs are working on a hotfix yes

[copper jackal]

right on!

[jolly lantern]

[leaden kite]

dedmen, your pfp should be an emote

[frigid gorge]

@copper jackal

[wispy solar]

That would be like handing out the dad role to players

[leaden kite]

we can all be dads

also happy to hear the m203 issue got sniped

[visual leaf]

Some dev should restrict Dedmen to the Feedback_tracker and/or dev/perf_rc_branch channels exclusively. No more distractions for him! 🤣 😅

[jolly lantern]

[royal cloud]

[leaden kite]

needs to be an emote here, I only have

[inner jackal]

Why is the No Spam Please emote locked behind Nitro 😭

[royal cloud]

Since it's animated

[raven glen]

I gotta say it seems the CSLA M1A1 is much tougher than the CUP one, and I like that

~3 shots from CUP t-72 on CUP M1A1, ~6 on CSLA M1A1
~2 shots from CSLA t-72 on CUP, ~3 on CSLA M1A1

All shots taken on upper frontal hull plate.

[visual leaf]

Perhaps one of those teams did a better research regarding the defensive properties of the M1A1.

Still resisting 6 shots seems like a lot for "gameplay reasons"

[raven glen]

Well, 6 was with the CUP cannon. For CUP on CUP and CSLA on CSLA, they were both three, so the CSLA cannon is buffed relative to CUP as well

[timid quartz]

That's just dlc/mods not working together, as per normal Arma..

[frigid gorge]

CSLA_Ed_Cfg
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2519349256

Anrop CSLA JSRS
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2518713481

Two CSLA compat mods

First adds CSLA buildings to the editor, 2nd gives most CSLA guns JSRS sounds

[manic steppe]

So now the community come and fix issues lol wouldn't take long haha

[obsidian dragon]

holy crap dwarden just sopke

[west schooner]

oh now im really upset... looking through the objects on Eden editor, they didn't even ad a whiteboard map... all the other official maps on arma 3 get a whiteboard map... 😢

[frigid gorge]

Compatibilities exist for every mod and every CDLC, if you're referring to the 2nd mod. The 1st is an intentional decision by CSLA Dev team to reduce clutter in the editor

Also - just noticed who made it, thanks for the compat @inner jackal ))

[north torrent]

I know it is off-topic, but I wanted to correct this because I was wrong. There are number of commits by him. I stand corrected and apologize for the false claim

[inner jackal]

Taking a wild guess here that you do not own the cDLC then...

[visual leaf]

He is more active than you think!

[craggy kiln]

ahahahaha im not wasting my money

[inner jackal]

Then your opinion on it is honestly worthless

[visual lotus]

Very funny. Doesn't even own the product but is bashing it. 🙄
Generation youtube university

[inner jackal]

Could even have come back saying they'd checked out the compat mod and weren't impressed, but we all know that wasn't gonna be the case... 😉