ip_rights_violations

[soft egret]

"how could anybody not know it was the battlefield vest lol" yeah because everyone plays battlefield lol

[tight isle]

Its a AAA title everyone has pretty much played battlefield

its the top casual FPS

[soft egret]

If it's been there since 2015. How do you explain that noone else noticed either till today/yesterday

[tight isle]

because nobody cared i'm assuming

they just let it slide

pretty much everyone at one point has played this mission some time in their life or watched it https://infinitemirai.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/screenshotwin32-0052.jpg

[soft egret]

I haven't, and I didn't

And even if I had.. I wouldn't have watched so closely at that vest that the image burned itself into my brain so hard that I instantly recognize it

[narrow topaz]

I have; and I'm not going to recognize a generic military asset from [insert AAA FPS here] at a glance

[dull moon]

sure, in the end of the day the "project" (lead) is responsible of the included content. and by his reaction i belief him that he didn't knew it was a rip. and by the way USAF development progresses, also their updates interval, the vest will not be removed like in 1-2 days.
same goes for CUP and the helmed... we do not push out an update that forces thousands of players to update their mod just for one little piece of content.
sure, technically we and USAF should, but that's not manageable with a finger snap 😉

[soft egret]

believe*

[dull moon]

whatever you grammar na*i 😄

autocorrect did not flag it

😂

[soft egret]

I for myself feel that you are weirdly VERY invested into trying to get Fuller and USAF banned as quickly as possible.
And that "poor VSM" didn't deserve it while it has been proven that he is anything but "poor VSM"

That is even more of a reason to take it slow and investigate closely. And to not make any hasty decisions

[tight isle]

i'm just making sure that all the big mods have to follow the same rules as the small mods

ripped content is ripped content no matter small or big

[dull moon]

they do. and as said the difference was that VSM knew, and USAF didn't

[rigid bronze]

Just to clarify, If I include something that's ripped content without my knowledge I can't get banned for it?

[soft egret]

You still can.

[tight isle]

well wtf lol

[dull moon]

not for not knowing, but if you refuse to remove it.

and yes, technically you can get removed for using ripped content

[soft egret]

But if you are a well known mod maker who has been making big/huge mods for the past 4 years and have never shown any trace of anything non-legal going on... Moderators might make an exception and say "Yeah, we all make mistakes"

[dull moon]

it's in the moderators hands do decide

[rigid bronze]

So If I buy a 3D model off of lets say turbosquid, And I include it in my mod. It turns out to be ripped content. Ill still be banned?

[soft egret]

Dunno

[rigid bronze]

Just for the sole fact that Im newish to the community?

[soft egret]

Is decided on a case by case basis

[rigid bronze]

Just curious is all

[dull moon]

it will be suspicious ofc

[soft egret]

So if you want to find out. Try it out.

But as you planned to use something ripped right from the start, and we now know that. I don't think your chances are that good

[dull moon]

and i just realized we are not #other_ip_topics

😄

[fossil basalt]

@tight isle If I'm thinking of the correct individual, Sgt. Fuller is on active duty and will not necessarily have 24 hr access to the forums.

Also, to where and when was it reported? I have yet to see a report on it.

[tight isle]

scroll up

[dull moon]

it was mentioned here yesterday i think

and i informed fuller already

[soft egret]

https://discordapp.com/channels/105462288051380224/105792634995388416/582606898638094357
https://discordapp.com/channels/105462288051380224/105792634995388416/582628586935156771

[tight isle]

https://gyazo.com/91e41ca105d367695d1c587ed5bd68b0 https://gyazo.com/00a1a20e0d2cad62c0f9b80a9b29afea

first link is broken one sec

[soft egret]

The first report came from a user with a new discord account, who just posted his first ever message in Arma discord.
That sounds more like targeted attack than trying to report a ripper.

Wouldn't be the first time for that

[fossil basalt]

This isnt the place to report violations.

[tight isle]

top link is fullers and the bottom is battlefields

[fossil basalt]

discuss there violations before sending email to [e-mail] , Arma 3 EULA : https://www.bistudio.com/community/licenses/arma3-end-user-license , other ip discussion goes into #offtopic-ip

[wooden ingot]

well, I wouldn't be surprised tbh. He used some RHS scripts and after I approached him he was so "kind" to update credit list

[fossil basalt]

We'll see what his response is. All of those that have been banned for such things have had terrible responses similar to and for VSM, there where chat screenshots of him knowing before hand that he's using ripped content like: "lol, dumb bit**s won't realize it anyway..."

[opal sorrel]

Well its kind of hypocritical if every ripper is getting banned but theres ripped content thats been up forever.

They even gave you the evidence

[soft egret]

Lets just say you don't see everything that goes on in the background

And no I didn't get evidence.

[opal sorrel]

Like looking at the UVs?

[soft egret]

I got screenshots and somebody telling me it's evidence, same guy that's trying to push me to ban him instantly without doing any investigation on my own

[royal charm]

@opal sorrel there are many rippers but only so many unpaid moderators - it's not realistic to expect that every single one will be punished, but they'll take care of as many as they can.

[soft egret]

1. that's a lie and thats not what happened.
2. #rules no allcaps

[opal sorrel]

What Im saying is that all the evidence that was posted leads right to it. The fact that USAF was removed once then somehow just allowed to stay up. I remember when USAF came out and was removed on it. Your pasts and present dont add up.

[soft egret]

You make me doubt it even more that there is a real violation here.
Seems more like a handful of people that hate Fuller for some reason. People coming and and demanding that we ban him instantly and not wanting to wait for moderators to do their own investigation..

[opal sorrel]

Thats like saying that "I had ripped content in my mod, but didnt know so"

He obviously knows

the UVs are barely different in fact they are just darker

[soft egret]

UVs have no color 🤔

[opal sorrel]

my bad the texture

its the same thing just darker

the uv layout is the exact same

If you use Ninja ripper it darkens the textures

[soft egret]

All I got was screenshots by seemingly shady people trying to tell me that something is from USAF, and that something else is from battlefield

[tight isle]

nevermind i thought about that wrong

[soft egret]

I'll decide when I see the proof. Not when someone else tells me that something is supposed to be proof

[opal sorrel]

Get Trippy is a shady person? With well made mods and whatnot on the workshop?

[tight isle]

what more proof do you need?

[fossil basalt]

@opal sorrel @tight isle Report it properly via the Forum.

[opal sorrel]

So I can get banned from that too?

[fossil basalt]

Where else have you been banned?

[opal sorrel]

No where but everyone who signs up on your forums gets banned on less you agree with everything BI says

[fossil basalt]

Give me a break

[opal sorrel]

I just realized Im speaking to the ban lord himself

[fossil basalt]

You are playing right into the " I have a grudge act"

[opal sorrel]

Im simply stating thats its bull that some ripped contents get removed immediately but some just slide right past your eyes for YEARS

[fossil basalt]

I ban at the behest of and direction of the BI community manager, no one else, and surely not on my own.

[tight isle]

if you want proof download USAF mod then unpbo the USAF_vests.pbo and look at PilotG.paa

[soft egret]

Let's show you from my perspective.
Random user on new discord account who has never posted anything comes along and throws accusations at someone.
Suddenly two more people come along and demand the guy to be banned immediately, and to take their "proof" as gospel.

To me it sounds all like people simply trying to attack a person, rather than legit reporting ripped content.

[fossil basalt]

The VSM investigation for example took months

[opal sorrel]

I never said ban him, i said look at it yourself

[tight isle]

i've been here for a very long time thank you

[soft egret]

I also wonder where you got the Battlefield UV map from to compare.. I assume.. You ripped it from Battlefield?

[opal sorrel]

Its pretty simple

Ive been on this discord for months

[tight isle]

that slappy guys post just caught my eye

actually you can just download the battlefield mods that people have already ripped

[fossil basalt]

We (moderators) arent the ones who open the mods to look at them. We have people at BI that do that and make those decisions.

[tight isle]

its really not hard you just have to use google

[soft egret]

@opal sorrel last time I saw you on this discord. you were throwing accusations at USP. Now you are back when someone is throwing accusations against USAF. 🤔

[opal sorrel]

Well was I wrong?

They were using ebos

lmfao

[tight isle]

^^^^^^^^^

[fossil basalt]

Seems quite coincidental

[soft egret]

This is not a witchhunt server. If you want to report people then do it (as was already done, and we are already investigating) and leave it at that.
No need to constantly push it and try to get someone banned.

[dull moon]

the wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round....... 🎵
you guys are running in circles, just saying...

[opal sorrel]

This discord lives for witch hunts lmfao

[tight isle]

i'm not witch hunting i'm just stating facts

[fossil basalt]

I tell you what will and will not happen. If its not reported properly, it will NOT be looked into. As it stands, you both appear to be highly suspicious based on your actions and demands.

[tight isle]

i'm highly "suspicious" because i've reported ripped content from a AAA title when it is fully cried about all the time in the Arma community.....

[fossil basalt]

1. Youve not complied with what has been asked
2. You want an insta ban without any sort of investigation whatsoever

need I continue?

[tight isle]

where do i need to post this then and i'll make you happy

[fossil basalt]

The Forum, as I've already stated once before.

[tight isle]

link it again please

[fossil basalt]

The Forum?

[tight isle]

ya where i need to post

[fossil basalt]

https://forums.bohemia.net/

[tight isle]

if you want it reported on there then whats the point of the "ip_rights_violations" and the "offtopic_ip"

[fossil basalt]

Again, as ive stated once before...

discuss there violations before sending email to [e-mail] , Arma 3 EULA : https://www.bistudio.com/community/licenses/arma3-end-user-license , other ip discussion goes into #offtopic-ip

[tight isle]

thanks for the basic website link though when i nicely asked for the link of where i need to create a post

[fossil basalt]

This channel is for BI IP rights violations. #other_ip_topics is for discussions as well, not for reporting

ya where i need to post```

https://forums.bohemia.net/

[tight isle]

lol how are you even a mod dude you're such a rude/terrible person it seems

[royal charm]

🤦

[fossil basalt]

Rude? Terrible? You've asked a question and I've answered exactly each time. You on the other hand do not seem to be paying attention.

[tight isle]

Its the way you type it dude

[fossil basalt]

with a keyboard?

in English?

[tight isle]

look another smart ass response

[fossil basalt]

Direct and explicit?

[tight isle]

quality mod

now if you excuse me i have a post to make about a ripped AAA title mod

[fossil basalt]

Was I exactly clear in each statement? Yes, I was. That is being "matter of fact", not rude or a "smartass". And, may I remind you that we have rules prohibiting such conduct.

[carmine folio]

This feels more like its personal then anything else at this point.

[soft egret]

That's how it felt right from the start.

[fossil basalt]

I agree, and this will be noted when it is looked into.

[tight isle]

or its more like somebody finally attacking big mods and not letting ripped stuff slide by

[dull moon]

i got word from fuller:

• it was a community donation and a last minute addition
• he will take care

can this be wrapped up now?

[tight isle]

see thanks chris

thats all i wanted

[crisp dome]

As I told Chris. The USAF mod is comprised of a lot of community donations. Rest assured I have UV maps and models of everything that I own in the mod. With that being said and after looking into it the pilot vest that was donated by a prior member of the USAF mod It has been removed. I do not have a lot of time for this kind of stuff as FM pointed out I am active duty army and currently deployed at the moment..so I don’t see everything that is sent to me but I do occasionally get a few messages. I am a well respected member of this community and I wouldn’t just outright use or rip other ppl stuff. As Reyhard Pointed out he approached me about some scripts that were being used and asked to be credited. I credited him as per his request because it’s HIS STUFF. I don’t have the time nor patience to sit here and look like a thief who just said oh it’s from battlefield F**K it through it in the mod. Let’s not forget like each of you..I am human and I do not see everything.

[heady stump]

Dm a mod

[rapid wagon]

ip rights stand for intellectual property rights. If you see for example, content in another game and not sure if it's actually BI models, you can ask here.

[wild stone]

@carmine folio if you have an issue on this discord, post in #discord_server

[echo orchid]

and you cannot type infringements?

[burnt oak]

is this your upload as there is a edit=true GET parameter in the url?

[dull moon]

cough
#other_ip_topics

[tawny mesa]

This is sad

[soft egret]

@muted hearth yes it does

[soft egret]

He has to take out EVERYTHING that he didn't make by himself. Looking at the files in there, that seems to be about 99%

[faint nacelle]

then he likely gets dmcad

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[muted hearth]

God no I removed all my violations on Tuesday because @soft egret told me to @burnt oak

[carmine folio]

Do you think this is enough proof to have ArmA 3 Project Life's (A3PL) monetization removed from ALL their severs? Or maybe even have them shut down for good?
https://imgur.com/gallery/DkoEYJV

[dull moon]

not BI related -> #other_ip_topics

[carmine folio]

@dull moon Oh sorry I wasn't aware there are two different IP channels

[dull moon]

np

[echo orchid]

to be honest, i have no clue why it is offtopic for community IP discussion

since it is very much one of the important topics in regards to community made content

[carmine folio]

It kind of is related because they have unbin BI models but I just didn't included them screenshots

[echo orchid]

neah i am not even talking about your post, but the very existance of #other_ip_topics

[dull moon]

@echo orchid
moderators requested to apply to the channel description to only discuss IP violations that involves BI directly on this channel. therefore #other_ip_topics channel for community related discussion was created

[cobalt creek]

i mean, doesn't it involve BI directly?

channelcluttering :angrypepe:

[carmine folio]

@cobalt creek I thought since it's about getting their monetization removed it does involve BI

[echo orchid]

@dull moon well aware

still not an oftopic channel

by that criteria

all discussions in creative sub channels

are also just as offtopic

[lone basin]

That's not the first time this pack is being reuploaded. I remember seeing it a few months ago 😒

Also #other_ip_topics

[radiant ridge]

Can I change the texture / coloyr of some of the apex gear? Like the vehicles and guns?

[faint nacelle]

@radiant ridge this is a bit wrong place to ask, but yes retexturing is possible. You should look up BI forum retexture guides.

Oh you were answered elsewhere already.

[radiant ridge]

I wouldnt call it an answer but thanks @faint nacelle

[radiant ridge]

default profile pic

pinging me and mods

linking to a different steam profile other than my own

literally no evidence of claims

Whoever could be behind this accusation

It will be a mystery I guess

and he must be really new as he has no other posts on here. lol

I can see through this better than glass my dude

[soft egret]

Sends a link to Fros7bite and says he's you. Even tho Fros7Bite is @west charm
Yes. wrong channel. I'll take care of it (User banned, messages removed)

[wild stone]

really should have been posted in #other_ip_topics

[narrow topaz]

@carmine folio https://www.bohemia.net/community/licenses/bohemia-interactives-tools-end-user-license

[fast bear]

HI 😄 Where i can do a DMCA ?

on which mail should i send a mail ?

[stoic beacon]

@fast bear Always depends on where the content is hosted

Steam Workshop?

Also #other_ip_topics

[fossil basalt]

@fast bear @stoic beacon If you are referring to Steam, DMCA's can be done via the workshop. If you are referring t sites such as Armaholic, they can be done via their own website (or even better) their hosting company. Always depends on where the content is hosted is not necessarily correct.

[stoic beacon]

That's what I meant, the content of a DMCA is always the same, but some websites have an extra Form that you can fill out, like steam, others don't, e.g. Armaholic, where you would probably need to just send an email including all information required for a DMCA

[keen trout]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1759018081 contains EBO files from Contact DLC such as map_enoch.ebo

[dull moon]

lol wtf 😄

[opal dune]

not entirelty sure if i'm understanding this video correctly but this doesn't seem to abide by BIS' rules https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2_LKXbIfMk

i don't speak the language so i'm not sure if he's the one doing it but it seems sketch nonetheless

[faint nacelle]

Can't bother to watch. Skipped few bits and there seems to be nothing useful happening. @opal dune what's the issue?

Or are you just advertising it?

[heavy moon]

seems to be some guy using extracted arma game data to use in minecraft or something, dunno its in french

[faint nacelle]

🙈

[lone basin]

Yep, he's extracting arma data to use in his game. He has uploaded unbinarized model on his website.

[faint nacelle]

then report to [e-mail] @opal dune

[opal dune]

OK thanks

[trail flicker]

Hi Guys, what is the stance on reuploading Ace to the workshop for our custom server, with nothing changed except the Ace_Nightvision pbo removed? From what I've read it's the only way to remove the hardcore NVGs but we love everything else in Ace and I won't do it if it's considered a violation?

[simple salmon]

you'd have to ask them

otherwise it wouldn't be allowed

you could mod in your own nvgs i assume, with vanilla effects

[lone basin]

Yes it is till a violation regarding SWS EULA. also #other_ip_topics

[chilly silo]

^ Unless you get writtentauthrosiation from the ACE Devs 😉 We've established this previously.

[lone basin]

But it still violates Steam's EULA isn't it?

[chilly silo]

How?

[lone basin]

Article 6D says that the submition must be created by you (I think that being your property should also be good)

[chilly silo]

It actually says : "You represent and warrant to us that you have sufficient rights". If the author grants you rights to upload while acknowledgeing that they are giving away limited rights in this case then its going to be legal. if that wasnt the case any mod that uses content derived from BI samples would not be allowed

I appreciate that there is a very specific line later in the paragraph but it doesnt negate the first sentance or the obvious flaw in the logic given how many other mods out there "legally" use BI content.

How is that different than the ACE team granting an exemption?

@fossil basalt and @soft egret - as mods how does this sit with your understanding?

Without following this view any upload that includes BI content is illegal. Bye bye CUP and many many others.

[lone basin]

Yeah, that seems more logic. I didn't read the article 6d with enoguh attention.

[chilly silo]

I agree at first read through its not obvious. but once you think about it and read the rest of the license as well putting 6D in the context of Valve is covering its arse then its hard to avoid the logic

Whoever grants you a license though really need to do it in writing and acknowledging that they are giving away rights to re-upload in that specific instance. Ideally they should post somewhere on their website who has what rights. It would make like so much easier when facing challenges. Then the re-uploader just links to the Author's permissions post.

[astral marlin]

Dose anyone know blazenchamber who created "Specialist Military Arms (SMA)" i've been trying to contact him but with no luck last online on BIF was over a year ago and same for his steam account the reason I'm asking in here is there is no licence attached to his work only that you cant sell it or use on anything other then arma 3.

Would this be a violation or do any of your fine people know him/her and can put me in contact

[dull moon]

Would this be a violation
what would be a violation? i didn't get the question.

[astral marlin]

if i used them as there is no licence restricting use

[dull moon]

"using" it in a mod collection or as part of a private repo is fine. redistribution as in reupload to steam or including it in your own mod is not. if no license is added to the mod, the most restrictive will apply automatically

[astral marlin]

though so just wanted to clear it up will hope he is still alive as would need it to be in my private server distro

[dull moon]

like arma3sync or swifty?

@astral marlin

or am i misunderstanding smth?

[astral marlin]

private rsync

for my community only but i though the same as you in reguards to if you cant get permission you have no permissions

[scarlet patrol]

small question, if I post a mod that requires mods not allowed on the workshop, would my mod be ok?

[soft egret]

as long as you didn't put the other mods on the workshop, or any parts of it, itll be fine

[tired hamlet]

@dull moon Does that mean any server can take my mods and put it on their own repo and use it without anything happening?

[soft egret]

well you decide whether something happens or not

if you don't make anything happen, then nothing will

[tired hamlet]

I sent an email to OVH and Bohemia

bohemia said contact host

OVH said they don't manage the content on their servers

So what can I do @soft egret

[soft egret]

Talk to a lawyer. Can probably send DMCA to OVH

[dull moon]

@tired hamlet
What is the license you use?

[tired hamlet]

@dull moon I never put a licence in the mods

[soft egret]

Btw BI released ADPL versions of the licensed data packs for A2 now. without really announcing that it's done 🤔

[dull moon]

Ok, well in that case Do as dedmen said. If you want your stuff removed from servers (mod hosting), talk to your lawyer and file a C&D

[faint nacelle]

so A2 stuff in Dz is now kosher? @soft egret

[soft egret]

yes

[faint nacelle]

kuulio

[soft egret]

Just prepared to ban someone from DayZ discord, but then I rechecked the licensed data packs. And they are now ADPL-SA/APL-SA

[ornate lava]

I thought I saw an announcement about that last month

[soft egret]

They announced that they will do that, but they didn't do it for weeks.
But then they didn't announce that it's actually done

[ornate lava]

Ah ok

[stoic beacon]

There were announcements when it happened.
At least I remember something, probably on Twitter

[prisma scaffold]

What does Valve typically want for evidence of content ownership? Like actual source files or detailed references?

Because I guess I have to file a DMCA against a guy that re-uploaded some of my community stuff..

[inland scarab]

I would just give them source files and reference to dates of upload time.

Simple.

[prisma scaffold]

Sounds good, thank you.

[stoic beacon]

I would never give them source files, never ever.

For Steam, I just link to the official release pages which clearly identify me as author and on which you can download the files

[prisma scaffold]

Actually one more question

How about missions?

Guy literally ripped my entire framework.

[heavy moon]

1. do as m_kola said and link to them your release pages rather than source, it proves you own your content and have released it publicly.
2. Provide them with a copy of your licence you published with your content, if you did not then state to them your restrictions.
3. If you feel the need to show them your files side by side with the disputed files do so with identical code highlighted in both files.
   if Valve take you as owner from 1) then you should not have to do 2) or 3).
   Valve will decide based on what evidence you give them, if it's not a clear cut issue then they will give you the other persons contact details and them yours and then tell you two to litigate the issue and the dmca notice will remain on the item until dispute is resolved and you contact valve stating so.

[prisma scaffold]

Like screenshots of the code? or the files themselves?

[heavy moon]

screenshots should be enough, you just need to highlight to valve that the code is the same

[soft egret]

If valve needs additional info they'll mail you

[prisma scaffold]

I ended up getting the guy with the mission to take it down. I'm pretty sure I'm going to just have to DMCA the mod which will be easier though.

Out of all the content, they upload my dinky little community mod with like 12 re-textures XD

[faint nacelle]

well since when has there been a smart reuploads 😛

[carmine folio]

^ since when has there been smart people?

[undone pier]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1793771363&searchtext=

Credits go to all the authors! If they ask for their mod to be removed I will and would most likely put it in required mods.

if someone wants to have some "fun" to take it down

[river spear]

Nice that he confirms he knows about required mods

And then reuploads anyway

[heady stump]

Not only that, but why would you make part of the reupload purely decencies for other mods that people already have downloaded?

[rapid wagon]

so they don't have to constantly upload mods to their server

[heady stump]

?

[chilly silo]

look familiar to anyone 😉 https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1461833590

[soft egret]

You know... illegally reuploading stuff is illegal

Uh. bye 👋

Not sure if I'd bother LordJarhead with that. JSRS reupload. He has enough stuff to do

[dull moon]

LJ already said he doesn't care anymore and for all the reuploads he stopped working on his stuff iirc

[soft egret]

Nah he said he'll still fight reuploads but stop working on JSRS, but he recently said he wants to continue

[dull moon]

oh, ok... this news never reached me. good to hear

[soft egret]

BIF thread only I think. But he seems really busy don't wanna bother

[signal forum]

question: Is it against ToS for a server to restrict pilot slots to only those who donate $10 a month?

cuz that seems sketchy to me and totally wrong, but just wanna get your input

[soft egret]

Is that gameplay changing? I guess so

Is the server monetization approved?

[signal forum]

i would say so too

not sure if they are approved for it, will find out more

[soft egret]

Yeah I'd say yes. You can report them here https://www.bohemia.net/monetization/approved/arma3
BI might decide that's not the case, but if noone reports nothing will happen.
Would be good to provide proof as screenshots or something

If they are not on that list above, then they are illegally monetizing.
In that case email to [e-mail]

[signal forum]

got it, thank you @soft egret

[lone basin]

[e-mail] is only for approval; [e-mail] is for violations iirc

[soft egret]

no

infringements is for IP

I mean, if it's wrong they just send it over to the right guy internally, so doesn't matter much

[lone basin]

Well I've never got a response when sending to monetization so I guess they do not forward

[storm turret]

Calling people mentally challenged are we yet you banned a guy for joking about furries

Personally I think your moderator status should be revoked

[dull moon]

🤔

[soft egret]

Truth is truth, personal attacks are personal attacks and violate the rules.
If you want to say that you are part of people who illegally reupload mods and that I offended you with that, then I'm sorry for offending you, and I'll have to ban you because you violate our rules.

[manic lark]

@storm turret we could surely ban the person who called you mentally challenged if that was a personal attack. Of course you would need to confirm that you are in fact mentally challenged.

[storm turret]

It’s not the fact I’m offended it’s the fact that

A moderator has called someone of the play base mentally retarded

I don’t think staff should be saying such things. If they do it should be behind closed doors

[dull moon]

closes the door
now fight

[glad sparrow]

Isn’t calling someone mentally challenged a personal attack? I’d surely support a ban for that.

[dull moon]

if somebody makes bad and inappropriate jokes about metalheads and long beards i'd call him not just mentally challenged...

¯_(ツ)_/¯

and if i where a moderator, i could feel sort of attacked myself and feel the urge to take actions

[glad sparrow]

Doesn’t that go both ways though? I mean I totally get it, but you could take action before resorting to name calling. Bit unprofessional.

[dull moon]

it is what it is, also #offtopic_arma

[fossil basalt]

Clarification on what constitutes appropriate / inappropriate remarks from moderators has been issued.
However ( and to clarify), I have not seen the comment in question, but I will state that stupidity does not discriminate. The vast majority of those that have been removed from this platform have been removed for stupidity.

[paper prawn]

Always love it when the IP violators send their trolls in to muddy the waters though

[tiny flame]

@proud flicker this mod is using the alien hybrid model/charactershttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1735924873

[proud flicker]

@tiny flame Thanks, but in this case it's as agreed. 😃

[tiny flame]

oh ok

just wanted to make sure

[near pewter]

@soft egret not sure if they have your approval but these guys are monetizing with TFR plus multiple other addons in there mod pack
Website - https://rlgroleplay.co.uk/donate/
Repo - ftp://145.239.205.85/.a3s/autoconfig

[soft egret]

They are not approved for monetization at all, that's why they slipped through my check a couple days ago...

[near pewter]

Ah cool just wanted to make sure you was aware 😃

[soft egret]

I'll forward it to BI. Thanks o7

Oof, they were already talked about in 2016 for ripping/stealing/monetizing peoples stuff

[glass yacht]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1799667807

🤔

[soft egret]

xD wtf

[slim ledge]

So if bohemia sell DLC can I sell dlc on a server I own?

[soft egret]

?

you cannot sell DLC's yourself at all

[slim ledge]

just addons that would have a check if someone bought it, like my own dlc

just a thought

[soft egret]

what do you mean by selling DLC?

[slim ledge]

say I had a server, and I created some new content for it, whether its weapons, cars, clothes, etc. If I wanted to make it so you had to pay for some of these new addons to use them in game, is that allowed? Since it is what they do with dlc?

[soft egret]

I don't see that that has anything to do with DLC

If you have a monetized server, then you can hide cosmetics behind a paywall

in accordance to the monetized server rules

You cannot put anything gameplay changing behind a paywall

[slim ledge]

ahhh ok I gotta go read up then

[soft egret]

And you cannot sell the addons themselves, mods are not allowed to be used commercially.

You can just let people pay to access the content on your specific server

[slim ledge]

Got you, thanks

[near pewter]

@soft egret Here's another one for you - https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1799556581

[dull moon]

BI related: here
community related: #other_ip_topics

[echo orchid]

again, my 2 cents

if community related ip infringements are offtopic

that says a lot about how BI chooses to handle that

there is nothing offtopic about ip rights violations when it comes to community made content

following that though process, everything that is not made directly by bi (btw, this channel is in creative discussion subchannel) should be in some offtopic part of this discord

i call that BS

[fossil basalt]

@carmine folio Don't bother giving them notice. Contact BI directly.

[carmine folio]

@fossil basalt Thanks for the heads up mate

[pallid plaza]

I'm not sure with this one https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1804734082

[faint nacelle]

from what I've understood its legit

it seems to just bring the released textures from Argo to A3

https://www.projectargo.net/community-kit

[pallid plaza]

Oh ok I didn't know that

[prisma scaffold]

@rapid cypress looks like we were wrong about Argo.

[rapid cypress]

@prisma scaffold Do you mean about the asset port mod?

thats its gonna get slapped off the workshop by BI

because I got a warning from @fossil basalt for posting it so

[fossil basalt]

No, I should have been more clear, posting a link (then insinuating that one should grab it quickly before its banned) is the reason you were warned. It was as if you knew it was wrong, but were encouraging others to do so. Had it been an illegal/prohibited mod you would have been banned.

[prisma scaffold]

But just to clarify, that mod is kosher then?

Sorry Sounds repetitive. I just like a Yes or No for these things >.<

Sweet, thank you.

[muted hearth]

quick question where do i report IP violations and server that are leaking info about players for money

[stoic beacon]

@muted hearth
IP Violation to the copyright holder, if it's BI then email to: [e-mail]
Same email for reporting monetized Servers

If the copyright holder is someone else, contact them directly, you can also post in #other_ip_topics if he's in this discord

[muted hearth]

@stoic beacon what do i do when there releaseing infomation about people such as ips for money or even ban messages?

[stoic beacon]

Not much you can do I guess

[rapid cypress]

Mmh I think that might be something to send to the monetization email address?

[stoic beacon]

If your data is sold/shared then go to your local police

[rapid cypress]

man theres a lot of CBA reuploads

[fallen hamlet]

and?

what's the problem with cba reuploads?

do any of these reuploads claim they programmed CBA?

[faint nacelle]

theres really no need for reuploading it

its already on the workshop

[soft egret]

The problem is that it shows the base problem.
So many people who don't know or don't understand.

[fallen hamlet]

there is need for reupload it if you want to have control of what version you want to use

and this shows the base problem of this channel as well and a base problem of the A3 community that don't understand the following: sharing is winning

technically you also reupload CBA when you clone it in github @soft egret

[soft egret]

cloning is not reuploading no

[fallen hamlet]

yes, it's a copy of the original. same as reuploading

[dull moon]

oh for fucks sake... are you serious right now?

[soft egret]

wat

you understand the difference between upload and download?

[dull moon]

clearly he doesn't

[reef gust]

i think he means forking

[fallen hamlet]

i am being serious. you can clone cba, modify it and distribute it without even breaking the license if you release it under GPLv2

so as long as those reuploads have GPLv2 license. all fine and dandy

[soft egret]

Don't think anyone in here said anyone is violating any license?

[fallen hamlet]

then there is no problem about reuploads or anything "that the community does not get/understand"

[soft egret]

Yes there is.

Many people don't understand that some mods don't permit reuploads. They don't even know that such a thing as "not allowed" exists

What the community doesn't get/understand is the concept of dependencies and collections

[rapid cypress]

Or html presets

[fallen hamlet]

and what some mod creators also do not understand is that by reuploading one can get some control over what version is used without the need of a self-hosted repository.

[reef gust]

yeah I think that's a valid crit, there's ways around it but it's way too advanced for the average end-user

[soft egret]

I'd rather say what some mod creators don't get is that they can host static version uploads by themselves, such that users can choose to stay on a version

But it's rarely about versions. Often people simply don't know

Also... There is no problem with asking whether you can reupload something

noone does tho

[fallen hamlet]

no, the point is, why forbid a reupload if a) credit is given to the original authors, b) unmodified (except versioning)?

[soft egret]

a) it's usually not

[fallen hamlet]

a) It's in a readme

[soft egret]

a) they usually get removed on repacks

[fallen hamlet]

the one inside a pbo?

[soft egret]

you mean users will open up the pbo to search for a readme inside, to find the real creator of a mod reupload?

Why not directly google the sha1 hash of a random file in the pbo? might be easier

1-to-1 reuploads for versioning purposes are actually very rarely a problem.
Usually problems are caused by big repacks and "modpacks" because the people simply don't know about dependencies or collections

[faint nacelle]

also using old versions cause false bug reports which in turn are very annoying and troublesome for the mod maker.
Mods are meant to be used in their latest updated versions so that they can be developed furher.
If your modpack relies on old content that is build so that they break with bug fixes on other mods, then the decent thing is to host them privately somewhere or better yet make compatibility patch addons inbetween them and the updated mods. Or remake your modpack with working mods.

also in conjuction with reuploading modders stuff -> be nice/respectful to the authors so that they dont get bored with toxic community and leave modding and you end up with mods that never get updated

how many good modders have already left the scene because entitled people want to have things their own special way.

and were left with mods that get old and break up

[surreal raptor]

Anyone reported Anuz Life for using stolen mods and assets? Anything I could do about that?

[rapid cypress]

I think its been reported a few times

[surreal raptor]

oh ok, anything being done about it?

[soft egret]

send a message to [e-mail] please o7

[surreal raptor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/602227280147775638/602282596206116902/dugg.mp3
What the owner of Anuz was saying when I tried to talk to him about using stolen scripts ^^ pretty good... Imagine running the #1 server on all of Arma using a stolen framework, scripts and assets, a pretty shitty if you ask me...

[cinder ridge]

pretty shit that bohemia seemingly doesnt care ¯_(ツ)_/¯

From what I can gather theyve been reported a lot of times before.

[surreal raptor]

Yeah, if it was like a server with 5 players, I wouldn't care but the most popular server according to battlemetrics? Wheeeze...

[ebon tusk]

Amin aren't you redthedev? lmao why r u reporting your own vehicles on a3pl? lmfao

[cinder ridge]

Yeah I know its a problem generally. But going after Anzus would kinda send a message I suppose.

[ebon tusk]

well vehicles is pointless to report because let say for example its a f150 someone took. Technically you're not the owner of the vehicle as it belongs to ford. so reporting stolen content to bohemia and then they see that , I think that's why they don't take action

@surreal raptor ive sent pictures to bohemia of him litterly bragging about his deobfuscator and how great it is … so …. if they didn't do anything about that, then I don't think they'll do anything period .https://gyazo.com/f126eb5761beff8955623570ea316f56

[ebon tusk]

yeah but that's why nothing gets done ..

if you don't own the property they wont listen .

[fossil basalt]

@ebon tusk The legal team at BI are quite small. Given the amount reports they receive... to say they are overwhelmed is an understatement. With regards to "certain" offenders, their actions have been escalated to a much higher level. One way to look at it is akin to "giving them enough rope to hang themselves/Allowing them to dig their own hole". The further they dig, the worse it will be in the end.

As far as Red the Dev, he's just been banned. Again

[surreal raptor]

I would've thought bohemia would've taken a stance to protect the creators who made their games popular in the first place... It's a bit sad to see Arma go down this path

[soft egret]

I fully agree that the legal team is horribly overwhelmed currently. And can completely understand why it's not going fast now. But.. It's been going on for a year, I'd argue that has been plenty of time.
I think they underestimated the scope of the issue at the beginning

[ebon tusk]

I mean with the recent 6 months or so there has been such a big increase with "leaked" methods of ripping open peoples PBO's and also the EBOs that I think it caused a lot more servers to "steal" and raised a ton of legal issues. so yeah I agree, now that I think about it they probably really do have tons of work and not enough staff to combat the issues.

[edgy pulsar]

steam should add a report for IP violation button

[rapid cypress]

@edgy pulsar You can file DMCA claims against mods iirc

Otherwise there'd be a lot more stolen content on the workshop

Yep https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=837929245

[fallen hamlet]

steam should add a report for IP violation button

No way

there would be fanboys of a particular mod putting down the opposite mod and it is not something I would want

[soft egret]

Not trying to rustle your jimmies, but that button already exists

[fallen hamlet]

this is how often do i use steam workshop and or care about this

[rapid cypress]

or how often you read the message history completely

[vivid wave]

As you might noticed, Project Argo Rearmed that was a topic here days before, is not available anymore. It's just because I failure to comply with ask permission to Bohemia Interactive and follow the Agreement of Steam Workshop, and thus the MOD was suspended. I'm terribly sorry to Bohemia Interactive and Valve.

[rapid cypress]

@prisma scaffold ^ Could be of interest to you

[soft egret]

huh? but the license on the project argo stuff permits editing and repacking

I guess you'd still violate the commercial use clause by uploading to steam tho

[vivid wave]

Yes, the Community Kit (https://www.projectargo.net/community-kit) is free to use in Arma 3, as far as I understood, but I also contained some other assets that I can extract from .fbo.

[prisma scaffold]

Aside from the fbo I would just ask BI.

I mean how else would BI expect people to use their assets in the kit if not to workshop?

[vivid wave]

Yeah, ask before, is always wiser, especially doing something like this. I was not wise enough at that point.

[manic lark]

@surreal raptor nah they don’t care lol

to be fair it’s not like they own your content so.... it technically is your responsibility but still... would be nice for some support sometimes.

[teal tapir]

There is a community without moneztation giving donator slots community name is operation black it's a exile community they are useing cup while giving donator perks as well

https://www.battlemetrics.com/servers/arma3/2675193

[rapid cypress]

@teal tapir Send an email to [e-mail]

[teal tapir]

I have a screenshot of the discord message the owner put but I can't upload the screenshot for some odd reason

[rapid cypress]

Yeah uploading images is disabled here, if you want to share them upload them to a website like imgur and post the album here

[teal tapir]

I'm on my phone so I can't I'll see if my friend can gyzao the screenshot if that will work

[rapid cypress]

if you've uploaded the links to discord you can copy the links to those images and post them here

[teal tapir]

https://magninc.com/5d38e855038ae30818fe0a46

Looks like the owner edited the post

[soft egret]

as you've been told, message BI via the mail address above

monetization stuff goes directly to BI

[surreal raptor]

As if bohemia actually did something about monetization and ip right violations XD!

[faint nacelle]

Eventually they will have to. If modders leave the Arma scene due tho how the scummy violators behave that will drop future title sales immensely. And the they will have only the scummy people left and they will not be able to pull in players when they got no content to steal.

It may be they react only when it's too late.

[surreal raptor]

Mmmm, that's true, especially when they've said they will do something and then they don't. They can shut down servers yet they choose not to... If there's no evidence, fine don't do anything, but there's video of a server owner saying he doesn't give a shit about DMCAs etc. I thought it was rather funny when the server owned claimed it's illegal for me to to put a large file on my server which causes his server not to boot because his server downloads it with the pirated script.

[soft egret]

We'll I guess it's time for modders to pack their bags then.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/534093201527799834/602846498622930956/Screenshot_20190722-155633.jpg

[surreal raptor]

Time to call me lawyer

[chilly silo]

I may have missed something here? Why is anyone asking BI to take action to protect a 3rd party's IP? Surely BI should be reacting to a breach of their own Rules and shutting down the offending servers?

[soft egret]

Afaik the request on above email was about anzus gaming monetizing peoples mods without permission, and without BI approval

[chilly silo]

OK still its not BI's responsibility to protect someone else's content. But they should be acting against Ansus since they are breaching BI's own EULA. The question I'd like answered then is why aren't they?

Has anyone ever got an answer to that?

[mortal needle]

Do they still do the messages like this?
http://i.imgur.com/BZxZ70q.png

[chilly silo]

Wait that was all they ever did?

[soft egret]

Haven't heard why they aren't doing anything. All I heard is "stuff is going on". For the last months.

[chilly silo]

TBH I think we've been hearing that for more than months now. 😦

[hybrid tide]

That’s the same response I got years ago

Same person too

[chilly silo]

They need to start killing the offending servers.

Or how about that message and instantly turn everyone into Seagulls? Return of FADE 😛

[river spear]

imagine them putting in a system where they could block IPs from starting an arma server

server starts, sends own ips to bi, gets yes or no and goes boom if necessary

[dusk onyx]

You can change IP pretty easily

[fossil basalt]

Not a smart move when the legal department is already involved.

[river spear]

there's most likely better ways to identify a server, like sending hwids, that would also cause less issues

[keen trout]

better to have clients validate if it's a joinable server or not then having the server checkin with bohemia?

since it would be easier to patch the server once than all your potential clients?

[river spear]

sounds good

[keen trout]

but both would be bad for LAN play

and it could be hard to tell if it's LAN or not if they would use a VPN

[soft egret]

just hiding it in server browser is already a good start 😄

[river spear]

i think the worst offenders just post their IP and people direct connect

[manic lark]

I’m fairly certain their legal department is just people who know a little about law maybe helping out.... either way it would be cool if they could use the battleeye ban system to ban IPs hosting those fraudulent servers..............

[carmine folio]

I have a feeling that if no action get taken to the server in question there will start popping up more and more of these types of servers, might be wrong though.

[soft egret]

well that would atleast be logical

[manic lark]

I’m sure there are already a ton

But no one wants to play with cheaters

[carmine folio]

Might be, but they might not care to hide it, as they might do currently. What does cheaters have to do with it?

[soft egret]

no battleye == cheaters

[balmy lodge]

Didn't Dwarden state that they dont do that anymore?

[soft egret]

well apparently they don't

[ebon tusk]

No battle eye , wouldnt that be solve-able if they found an anticheat through a programmet (developer)?

[soft egret]

Well.. yes..

If that crappy life server that only stays afloat through using stolen assets that they don't have permission to use happens to have some developers who are able to build something on battleyes level and are able to integrate it so deeply into the game like battleye and enforce it to run on clientside then...... sure......

[safe arrow]

Hasnt Tonic had some own anti cheat engine implemented on his altislife-files? Spyglass i believe it was.

[soft egret]

yes

[pliant oar]

They can shut down servers yet they choose not to..
misleading, we can do something to make it harder for server-owner but not 'shutdown servers' ... (that would need to be extreme case to go after server host)

[soft egret]

If you just say "sorry we can just disable battleye and can't do anything more" then I'd be completely happy with that

but that's not happening

[narrow topaz]

Making them disable BattlEye by force-kicking everyone who connects is certainly possible

[hallow lark]

Not just disable battleye. Even not running battle on server battleeye can redirect users.

[rapid cypress]

wha

[surreal raptor]

Our server got "shut down" at one point for some weird shit no one ever even explain. When ever anyone joined they got insta kicked with msg something like "the server owner is to contact bohemia at [e-mail]"

[rapid cypress]

So did you contact bohemia?

[surreal raptor]

that email dedmen sent was bohemias reply to me ^^

[soft egret]

what? That was their reply about your own server? that doesn't make sense

In the mail they basically told you you gotta sue the server owner if you want your IP to be protected.
why sue yourself?

[surreal raptor]

i meant, that was what bohemia replied to me when i contacted them about anus gaming using my scripts

[soft egret]

but above you said "our server" 🤔

[surreal raptor]

I was on about Arma Life back in like December. Bohemia just yeeted our server for some reason for like a day, the only response we got was "we wanted to confirm the server owner"

[soft egret]

Me confuzzled

[surreal raptor]

I was just saying that they can shutdown servers and they've done it to me for no reason, so I don't any reason why not to do it to servers that break their EULA....

[wicked pond]

fini is my love

[lilac fossil]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1703150747 this has tfr in it, not sure if they mind or not

[soft egret]

I do, thanks

uploader was banned for ip violations in december 2018 🤔

[lilac fossil]

also in his other mod https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1802980510

[faint nacelle]

well I guess that says it all

[surreal raptor]

whats the rule on running non monetized servers with APL-SA licensed mods? The only reason I'm going after Anus is because they keep selling in-game shit

[soft egret]

what rule?

there is no rule

[dull moon]

well, there is one... no modpacks on the WS 😉

[surreal raptor]

can u or can u not run non-monetized servers with APL-SA/etc mods?

[dull moon]

one can

[soft egret]

if you couldn't then you couldn't run any servers

so what kinda question is that

[surreal raptor]

Did Tom and his arab server apply for monetization? I just know him and am just wondering

[soft egret]

no

[surreal raptor]

kk, i spoke to tom today about using my AH and all regarding some IP stuff that so was just wondering if he's all clear 😃

[soft egret]

well he's obviously not

as you can clearly see

[lilac fossil]

APL-SA section 3(b) section 2 violation at the very very least

[surreal raptor]

@soft egret the AH is a server mod which is only RE'd to the client when they join, so you shouldn't be able to see it in their modpack, maybe in battlemetrics? They said they switched to infistar 2 days ago XD!

[soft egret]

did I ask that?

[surreal raptor]

well he's obviously not as you can clearly see

[soft egret]

I don't see a question in there

[lilac fossil]

im lost

[surreal raptor]

That is true, but what I was stating was not an answer to any question

[soft egret]

oh. sounded like it. as you pinged me

[surreal raptor]

I was starting you were wrong, as you'd not see the AH not listed as a mod. The only way you'd see if it was loaded was if the AH pinged my server (which it did) or if you dumped the script threads

[soft egret]

What?

He is illegally reuploading stuff without permission to the workshop. And has done so multiple times and was already banned here for doing that half a year ago

and you are telling me i'm wrong in that he's not "clear" ?
I never said I can see AH listed

[surreal raptor]

well he's obviously not as you can clearly see
I took this as you saying he's obviously using my AH and that you'd clearly see if he was using my AH. If you were referring to some other mod etc. then I do apologize misunderstanding
Tho I don't see what you were responding to if not my AH comment.

[soft egret]

" wondering if he's all clear" we are in #ip_rights_violations
and he's so not "clear"

[surreal raptor]

Ah, that's my bad then. How come he's not all clear if he is not applying for monetization?

[soft egret]

because you cannot illegally reupload stuff to the workshop?

maybe your definition of clear is different?

[surreal raptor]

i did not know they were reuploading to workshop. idk why not just tag all the other mods as required on workshop??

[soft egret]

we just talked about that. that's why his name fell

[surreal raptor]

I just ctrl+f'd reupload, workshop and reupload for the past 2 days and the first times those were mentioned was here because you cannot illegally reupload stuff to the workshop?
Most likely because i didn't check the steam links, but even then idk where u pulled the argument of him reuploading mods other than downloading his mods? I dont really care for a reply to this, I'm just trying to spend my Friday night and have a good time, thx.

[soft egret]

@lilac fossil As long as Arma-Life is not monetized, thats ok

[lilac fossil]

ya just checked after i sent it

sorry to ping you

[loud quartz]

If there is one thing I learned from this game, you have no rights. Either sell your work and make some money or acknowledge the truth that others will rip apart your work and profit from it. IP rights are such a huge grey area in games

[dull moon]

IP rights are such a huge grey area in games
no, they're not. they are clearly defined by law, just damn hard to enforce his rights as a private person

[fossil basalt]

Unless you have sufficient knowledge, a lawyer friend or money. But, I understand your sentiment Tonic.

[surreal raptor]

Gotta wait for article 17 of the new eu copyright law and then bohemia will be held accountable for the IP rights violations because they host the platform...

[safe arrow]

Wouldnt that be Steam then? As its their plattform with the workshop?

[surreal raptor]

Anus Life mods are not in the workshop, they've reuploaded to their server and use arma 3 sync

But yes, if copyrighted mods are uploaded illegally to the workshop then steam would be responsible

[low pebble]

Love EU laws

[glossy cloud]

anus life sell content for money tho

pretty sure they're not monetized @surreal raptor ?

[narrow topaz]

They're not, nor have they been for the better part of a year now, nor has anything been done to stop them by BI. But regardless, #other_ip_topics

[faint nacelle]

Would that make Arma 3 Sync responsible if it is used to share the material?

[soft egret]

Arma 3 sync is in same was responsible as mozilla when you use their browser to download stuff.
Their server hoster is most responsible. Arma itself also isn't used to share the data.
BI is ignoring a very clear EULA violation though, which makes you think what worth does the EULA have if anyone can violate it without punishment?

[surreal raptor]

I just don't see why bi wants to upset so many creators and not enforce their own eula...

[fossil basalt]

Grut, you opinion is not far fetched, it openly supports theft.

[ebon tusk]

Its just sad and ultimately will be the cause of death for the arma community and i personally love this game 😦 really wish they enforced their tos and eula

[fossil basalt]

It is, but just not publicly nor at the scale that one would expect.

[rapid wagon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/518725697003454464/606202273445576860/live-resin-3d-ozk-g-033.png

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/PQea1

🤔

[soft egret]

mh?

[paper prawn]

Does that really break IP rights if he's not selling the toys? Just interested in the answer to that...

[faint nacelle]

perhaps not, but th name implies they are cast and that implies business

[late warren]

https://www.artstation.com/liveresin3d/store

[faint nacelle]

are those arma models?

[late warren]

https://i.imgur.com/OJ5RLOD.png

[paper prawn]

"This user has no products to sell yet." in the store... Interesting question though... can you sell Chernarussian flags for example?

[faint nacelle]

if its copyrighted then I think no

except of course in russia

😛

[paper prawn]

And China

[rapid cypress]

That reminds me that I gotta go looking for/rebuy some of my arma merch

[paper prawn]

That said, most of the stuff he does is definitely NOT vanilla Bohemia ARMA 3... In fact, neither is the BTR with the Taki logo (and definitely no T-14 from Bohemia) Dp have to say that his work looks very good - though I guess it is easier with 3D printing now

[surreal raptor]

So apparently Anus had their battleye disabled today and they've been nuked like 5 times XD
https://gyazo.com/e464cfae08cda52249b443f7401c607d

[dull moon]

🤘

[paper prawn]

They must have IP-breached Bohemia yesterday then... cause that's the only time BattlEye goes down... Given that for months they have been violating the community's IP rights without that happening. But when BI's IP rights are violated then that is how they get in touch 😉

[broken hornet]

they had a vanilla dubbing pbo when I reported them a few months ago

[surreal raptor]

Maybe the bohemia bois have been reading our messages in here :)))

[rapid cypress]

[surreal raptor]

[fossil basalt]

Far more activity going on in back channels than is publicly disclosed. But sadly, it does move at a glacial pace.

[soft egret]

Well good thing on glaciers, it goes slowly at first. But then all at once a huge wall of ice comes crashing down on you
and then you'll notice that climate change will kill us all

[fossil basalt]

Regarding @rapid wagon post above , at first glance I would be tempted to say that falls under transformative work. This is due to the use of live actors, plastic (resin?) models and the image of the Arma model. This is the US take of it anyway. This will differ in different areas (ESP EU).

[faint nacelle]

If they are made into irl miniatures and sold that does become an infringement.

[fossil basalt]

I would think so

[brisk phoenix]

Dslyecxi modified ACE3 medical UI https://i.imgur.com/rhA25Qu.png

under GPLv2 hes obligated to make it available publicly, no?

[soft egret]

yes

but publicly available can also be "upon request"

[brisk phoenix]

right

well i emailed him a week ago, ill wait a few more days before calling the cops

[fossil basalt]

Maybe he's on vacation, and I sure hope "call the cops" is a figure of speech, lest you be laughed at by them. ACE Team would be the ones to contact.

[novel goblet]

@brisk phoenix where is he distributing it?

[soft egret]

ShackTac internal only

[novel goblet]

Then he does not need to supply the code

You only have to make GPL source accessible if you release public versions of the "program".

[brisk phoenix]

You may copy, distribute and modify the software as long as you track changes/dates in source files. Any modifications to or software including (via compiler) GPL-licensed code must also be made available under the GPL along with build & install instructions.

unless his code is no longer considered 'GPL-licensed' because he took GPL-licensed code and edited it? 🤔

[novel goblet]

@brisk phoenix
The GPL-licensed code is available under GPL. You do not have to offer access to the source under the GPL license. But if you publicly distribute whatever the GPL pertains to then you must offer access the the source. This can include supplying the source with the "program", or giving a download link etc..

Furthermore, you may, as Dedmen mentions, offer the source on request. However, if that is the chosen method, then you are required to offer it to anyone, not just people who you distributed the "program" to.

But since Dslyecxi is not publicly distributing his modifications, then he is not obligated to make the source available.

And no you cannot just make GPL stuff non-GPL. That is after all the purpose of the GPL copyleft "virus". Your quoted text just restates that fact that anything based on it must indeed comply with GPL too. The only way to get around the GPL is for the original authors (chain) to relicense it using a different license.

[tawdry mica]

Its internal

[echo orchid]

@novel goblet that is still public distribution btw

it doesn’t matter if changes are released or not within a closed group

private use only covers your own use

the moment one makes the files with changes available to anyone else

it is considered public release

[novel goblet]

@echo orchid Are you disagreeing with GNU over the meaning of the GNU GPL?

https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLRequireSourcePostedPublic

This applies to organizations (including companies), too; an organization can make a modified version and use it internally without ever releasing it outside the organization.

[echo orchid]

define organization @novel goblet

[faint nacelle]

come to think of it, the source is probably available to people it is released to right?

[echo orchid]

what is public and what is organization in this particular case

[faint nacelle]

does it mean it has to be available to people with no access to it whatsoever

[novel goblet]

I would argue that Shacktac could argue that they are indeed an organisation

[echo orchid]

as far as i understand, organization / company means legal juridical entity

well, to be fair, shit own by an organization / company belongs to said entity

if i am to download some mod as part of a modset, and i am to leave said group of players, am i legally obligated to delete all said mods? in this case, who is there to force me?

because it belongs to the organization?

i am nitpicking, but do not mistake GNU organization term to some group of arma players

I would argue that Shacktac could argue that they are indeed an organisation
sure one could, shacktac or any other group, if they have the paperwork to support that claim @novel goblet

[novel goblet]

Maybe, it varies, but here even 3 people being in an informal club together can be argued in court to be an organisation.

[echo orchid]

here, in order to form a club of any sort, you need to legally declare it as such

just saying you are a club is not enough

again, i do not really care all that much about this particular case

but private use means private use. a group of players that have no control over what is private or not, with people coming and going does not constitute private use

to conclude, i am not disagreeing with GNU, i am disagreeing with the fact that a group of video game players constitute an organization

[novel goblet]

Okay let's leave the organisation aside. Even then looking at the the license text here https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.html I cannot find anywhere it states that you must make the source available to people you do not distribute to.. So if no-one is distributing it to Bullhorn, then no-one is obligated to offer him the source. Agreed?

[carmine folio]

I thought there was also an understanding around the GPL that required adjustments had to be offered back to the original source, but perhaps I am thinking of another licence.

I certainly don't see it in the text but I recall it being part of what made GPL important and quite viral.

I don't personally think Shacktac is required to provide source of their GUI adjustments to bullhorn, but I would ask the FSF as I am definitely not sure on that. I also think Shacktac, given that they have based this on GPL, ought to be providing the source to anyone that requests it.

[echo orchid]

@novel goblet just as @carmine folio, might be in relation to some other type of license (most likely Arma ones) that stipulates that sources are to be made available on demand.

again, nitpicking for the sake of clarity rather than on specific / particular case

[carmine folio]

There is some interesting Q&A on the fsf website about distribution and why the GPL v3 uses convey as a replacement so it can be fully defined, within the licence itself. The definitions in V3 are what is meant by distribution in V2 but accommodates the potential legal differences across jurisdictions. That is quite relevant as sections 4, 5 and 6 in GPL V3 go into what conveyance means and to whom source code must be provided, which adds a lot of clarity to GPL V2's intended meaning of distribution.

I can find nothing in there that requires distribution of source to anyone but the receivers of the object code, who themselves are bound by the same license terms and have similar freedoms to that source code. So the only way I see this gets made "public" is someone with the object code requests the source and then can publish it however they see fit in accordance with the license. Join Shacktac basically then you are bound by GPL V2 in the same way they are on the object and source code since it has been conveyed to you.

[keen trout]

https://kotaku.com/steam-workshop-content-must-now-go-through-an-approval-1837149464

[soft egret]

#other_ip_topics fits better. There we can discuss about that atleast

[keen trout]

it has impact on reuploads of BI stuff as well

one can hope at least 😄

like... why wouldn't valve support whitelist/blacklist of files?

but for mod creators, offtopic channel is a better pick!

[soft egret]

reuploads of bi stuff are rare. Which is why this channel is basically dead except when we talk about mod stuff which we're not supposed to talk about here

[keen trout]

you sure about that? 😛

someone uploaded enoch within a few days after the early release

[stark loom]

"Cosmetic perks are allowed."
Content hidden behind a VIP system that does not give the player an advantage (super strong armor etc.) is allowed (like a funny hat).
Does that content have to be selfmade or can it be a vanilla fedora by BI for example?

@soft egret since you seem to be very active in this channel

[soft egret]

vanilla too

[stark loom]

Okay, so just if you would sell stuff from a mod maker that does not allow you to. Got it.

(or it gives a giant advantage)

[fallen wagon]

No giant required, any non-cosmetic item or advantage.

[faint nacelle]

camo colors can be considered advantage too

[stark loom]

Yeah, but the item is allowed to have armor, if there are also free options with the same armor, right?

[fallen wagon]

Correct, as long as those are accessible to everyone.

[stark loom]

Then no items can be allowed, because sometimes a certain color can help you...

[fallen wagon]

All donator skins must be pink, confirmed.

[stark loom]

Like if a blue hat is free, but the green one is a perk.

Is that allowed?

[fallen wagon]

Sure, if you mean the same item in different colors.

Or no-armor hats.

[stark loom]

But @faint nacelle said that camo colors can be considered an advanatage as well, how is the ruling there?

[faint nacelle]

Probably case by case and common sense. If you can see it blending better with the environment its probably an advantage

[paper prawn]

Product placement, in-game advertising and sponsorship is allowed.
Selling of in-game items, that don’t affect gameplay, is allowed.
Accepting donations is allowed, but to avoid any doubts: not providing donations must not prevent anyone from accessing the content.```If an item affects gameplay you cannot charge for it

Camo affects gameplay

[fallen wagon]

I doubt you'd really get hit on that, but if it's really an advantage, you'll know by looking at it versus your map.

[stark loom]

Well ofc a vest affects gameplay, but a similar one armor wise is available for anyone, so it does not affect gameplay, right?

[faint nacelle]

if the one available for everyone is bright pink and the sold one is green then yes it does affect it

[soft egret]

depends if camo matters for your gameplay.
Life is not really competetive where it would matter

[paper prawn]

Given you have to get permission from Bohemia to monetize then just list the items you are selling for real money and see whether they give permission?

[stark loom]

No, it is standard blufor for both let's say.

Then your item that is accessable via the perk of being a donator is okay to have.

[fallen wagon]

If it's the same vest with multiple textures, and the textures aren't any better blended with your environment, that should be fine.

[faint nacelle]

then again how easy is the vest to get for non paying people

[paper prawn]

So pink plate carriers are fine

[faint nacelle]

if its "available" for 10000000000monneyz

[ocean pecan]

How easy it is to get isnt any requirement technically

[fallen wagon]

Same stores, same price IMO, otherwise it's a gameplay difference for sure.

[faint nacelle]

its advantage if you start with protective vest and others dont

[stark loom]

@faint nacelle I talk about KotH. So normal vests are available at the start as in blufor "rifleman" already has a good vest. But vests are different depending on the team ofc. If you are in opfor you have worse vest ofc, vanilla stuff.

[fallen wagon]

That would be fine if compared to their side it's the same vest in different colors and they aren't better.

Also same cost.

[stark loom]

There is no cost, it is unlocked with levels, but on blufor you have the rifleman stuff at level 1 ofc. That is a good vest and good helmet. Compared to opfor bad vest, but strong uniform. The teams are not the same by design. But same VIP skin for all teams is fine, right?

[ocean pecan]

armour=no cost

[fallen wagon]

The cost in that case is in levels. What I said still stands. If it's a better vest on a side with crappier vests, that's still an advantage. If it's a different color of a default vest of each side and it's not some amazing camo, there shouldn't be an issue (if the level requirement is the same I'd say).

[stark loom]

It is just a bit messy to have to deal with that when other life servers literally sell better stuff for real money and we just want to give people good looking skins, when all other vanilla ArmA uniforms are also available (some at later ranks or when you select ingame perks like "Marksman" to get ghilli option).

@fallen wagon But when it is a better vest, but a worse uniform? I take an opfor skin any day over a blufor skin, even if it has a better vest.

opfor uniform armor op

[fallen wagon]

It is just a bit messy to have to deal with that when other life servers literally sell better stuff for real money
Report them. I agree and I actively tell people to shove it if they break monetization rules and ask for support.

Your cosmetic preferences aren't equal to a numbers advantage based on the monetization rules. What I said would be following the rules exactly.

[stark loom]

No, it is not about cosmetics. Opfor has armor build into their uniform, so their vests might be worse, but the armor overall is still better. So even the global VIP skin for all three factions would still not be better. Even if the VIP skin has a better vest.

But I think here we are at a place where it REALLY shouldn't matter as there is no real advanatage to be seen. At this point it is just the three factions being a bit different.

[glad sparrow]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1838397074
Contains DayZ content, and yes. I know about BI's mail address.

[minor snow]

so contact has DayZ content can i report them?

also Apex DLC

[soft egret]

what?

Is that a joke?

[minor snow]

kinda

[glad sparrow]

🤡

[minor snow]

☝

[dull moon]

🤦

[minor snow]

😄

[hushed fox]

hey all, can the name INTERPOL be used freely in arma?

[glass yacht]

are we allowed to edit vanilla models and reupload them? for the purpose of adding extra hiddenSelectionTextures

[tulip nexus]

No

[glass yacht]

rip

[dull moon]

hey all, can the name INTERPOL be used freely in arma?
nothing is free in arma. most stuff costs around #350
to be on the save side, don't use it

[rapid cypress]

[ornate maple]

You could probably get away with like INTERPOLE so you get your message across what it is without it actually being that. Similar to Grand Theft Autos FIB instead of FBI

but i'd be careful like all things like that

[hushed fox]

i see

i’d imagine public institution names could be used freely

like... “police”? it’s in games, movies, lyrics... so why not interpol which is basically the same thing (but international)

but you are right... it's a (TM):

As an international organization, INTERPOL's full and abbreviated name, emblem and flag are protected under the 1883 Paris Convention for the Protection of Industrial Property.

https://www.interpol.int/Who-we-are/Legal-framework/Name-and-logo

thank you

[rapid cypress]

Interpol is the name of an organization though, and police departments usually have something else in front of police

[low pebble]

Interpol can be used in movies or something TV related, why not in a game?

They what? Wanna whoop ur ass?

[soft egret]

"why not in a game?" because the movies and TV related things probably asked and got permission, which you with your game didn't.

[tulip nexus]

Within TV/film it falls under fair use mostly

They're not creating the film and slapping the name "interpol" and the logo on the marketing material. You merely have scenarios mentioning interpol's involvement with elements of the plot, or characters who are members of interpol

There is a band called Interpol though. They get away with it

[rapid cypress]

They what? Wanna whoop ur ass?
I feel like Interpol would be exactly the kind of people that can whoop your ass for that kinda stuff

[prisma scaffold]

INTERPOL's full and abbreviated name, emblem, logo and flag define the identity of INTERPOL and are legally protected.

Any external entity wishing to use INTERPOL’s full or abbreviated name, emblem, logo or flag needs to obtain INTERPOL’s authorization in writing, which is subject to the terms and conditions specified on the page Name and Logo of this Site

https://www.interpol.int/en/Who-we-are/Terms-of-use

It doesn't sound too bad, probably could just ask them.

[rugged kiln]

Hello i found a community using RHS n CUP n giving perks to his patrons the community name is RED its a exile community.
https://gyazo.com/1ef14964ce534f0a4416a9c2bd1d5f88
https://www.patreon.com/bePatron?u=23399446

[soft egret]

@echo orchid @dull moon ^ :3

[echo orchid]

@rugged kiln cheers

[rugged kiln]

NP

[stoic beacon]

Extended compensation - Become elegible for stuff we dont normally compensate for. (In game bugs, server crashes, etc)
That kind of is a gameplay advantage isn't it?

[soft egret]

They are not approved either

[gloomy mango]

I'm the owner of that server and would like to have a chat about this, as we DO NOT offer any ingame advantage, that specific line quoted there is simply "bypassing" our rule on our "ingame compensation policy" , anyone of the Bohemia team can contact me at any given time and we'll have a talk.

[soft egret]

What is

Reserved slot - A reserved slot through the use of your GUID so you can connect when the free slots fill up.
Base Painting - Turn your base in an art exhibition.
Vehicle Tuning - Pimp your ride!
Custom Sound Menu - Annoy the shit out of the locals with orgasmic ear memes
Livonia Early Access (Pre-Wipe) - Access our Livonia Militarized server, sandbox mode with Infinite money!
1 Month of base rent on us
1 Base Pack per month
1 Custom Base Billboard
about then? That's all monetization, on a non-monetization approved server, with mods that don't permit any monetization.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1834394229&searchtext= Oh what's this?
Illegal workshop reupload? Take that down immediately @gloomy mango you are violating the steam subscriber agreement, the mods authors copyright, and our #rules

[gloomy mango]

What's illegal about the modpack then? tell me

Did you even check what's in there mate?

[echo orchid]

@gloomy mango
I'm the owner of that server and would like to have a chat about this, as we DO NOT offer any ingame advantage, that specific line quoted there is simply "bypassing" our rule on our "ingame compensation policy" ,
There is nothing to chat about

1. modpack - http://www.rhsmods.org/page/EULA not allowed, you do not own any of the IP
2. Reserved slot = monetization, we do not allow that whatsoever

[gloomy mango]

Anyhow, i'm not here to chat in a public room, i got notified. i'm willing to talk in a private environment.

[echo orchid]

i am in the process of DMCAing everything

[gloomy mango]

There's NOTHING of RHS in that pack

[soft egret]

It's mod reuploads, that's illegal. As I said above, you are violating steam subscriber agreement 6D.
Yes ofc I checked what's in there

noone said there's RHS in there (there isn't) still reuploads of other peoples mods

[echo orchid]

i haven't just yet, still, if you want a modpack, use a steam collection feature

[soft egret]

As I told you, take that down. Or I'll have to remove you from here due to you violating our #rules and refusing to fix it.

[gloomy mango]

Charging players to access your server, if the fees and associated perks do not affect gameplay in any way, is allowed. Cosmetic perks are allowed. Limiting access to only paying players is allowed.

[soft egret]

is allowed
IF you are approved, and IF you have permission for all the mods you are running, you have neither

[gloomy mango]

i can't take it down immediately as i'm nowhere near my PC mate

Doesnt say that anywhere now does it

[soft egret]

Okey then till tomorrow.

as i'm nowhere near my PC mate
You re online in steam 🤔

[gloomy mango]

They're all donations just to host the server, no "profit business"

[low pebble]

Oh God, Patrick, just listen to them

[soft egret]

no "profit business"
doesn't matter if you're making profit or not.
You are giving away ingame benefits for money, that's monetization, which you need approval for

[gloomy mango]

What are the benefits to get rid of then

[soft egret]

without approval you are even violating the Arma EULA

[echo orchid]

PRJX || Patrick: Doesnt say that anywhere now does it
of course it does
Anyone is allowed to monetize their Arma 3 server in the following way as long as they're registered, approved and listed on https://www.bohemia.net/monetization/approved/arma3:

[gloomy mango]

the modpack doesnt infridge any license

[soft egret]

the modpack doesnt infridge any license
it does. And I already told you which

You cannot give anyone anything ingame, for paying mony.
So all your ingame benefits need to go.

[echo orchid]

a. you need to register for monetization - you don't have that BI approval
b. if you are wanna register for monetization while using ANY 3rd party mods, you need to obtain permission from all the mod's orginal authors prior to seeking registration for monetization. - most big mods have non-commercial (that includes monetization as well) clauses

read the FAQ here
https://www.bohemia.net/monetization/faq#!#c7

[gloomy mango]

Alright so instead of being attacked from left right and center, in a PUBLIC environment, i'd either want to hop on a voice channel OR a private conversation about this stuff as i don't meant to break any rules nor get into any trouble.

[echo orchid]

you are not getting attacked

[gloomy mango]

The way it's being handled right now in here for thousands to see, is
VERY unprofessional anyhow

[echo orchid]

it's very transparent environment

[gloomy mango]

I don't give a shit, this is as unprofessional as it gets

[echo orchid]

i don't own any other IP, i only deal with anything and everything related to RHS

RHS does NOT allow any sort of monetization or commercial endeavor...And since maybe for whatever reason you didn't get to read our EULA, here is the warning - you have 24h to fix it before i come after you and DMCA you everywhere.

@gloomy mango

[gloomy mango]

Alright but let me make one thing very clear, the modpack doesnt contain anything that isn't allowed

im not giving any game advantage, the DONATIONS are purely to cover the serverbox cost

[soft egret]

The modpack contains reuploads of other mods, several mods. Which violates steam subscriber agreement, the mod authors copyright, and our #rules
and I'm not gonna repeat myself

[gloomy mango]

Which mods in there are then

ill get rid of them

[echo orchid]

donation = a voluntary payment where one receives nothing in return
the moment one receives something in return, no matter what the scope is, then that donation turns into a sale

a public server with payed reserved slots = monetization

[gloomy mango]

Alright so get rid of the things that are "seen" as a "sale"so to say, and get rid of the mods in the modpack which supossedly are an infridgement

Then i can still take donations

[echo orchid]

that entire patreon page of yours is breaching
a. BI monetization policy - you are neither registered or approved.
b. all mods you are running on your server that have non-commercial (non-monetization) clauses - RHS, CUP, TRYK, NiArms

[soft egret]

Which mods in there are then
ill get rid of them
Advanced slingloading
2035 Russian Armed Forces
Firewill's F16
Pook H13/Bell 47 Heli pack
NLD Units
Firewill's A10
Firewill's Su255
Barret M107 Standalone from EricJ
Firewill's F23A
Firewill's AV8B
X66-Mammoth Tank
UH-60 A3 Pack from EricJ
Blastcore FX
Firewill's EA-18G Growler
dzn Rifle Tripod
Advanced Urban Rappelling
Extended Base Mod
HMCS Addon
Firewill's MQ-81 Harpy
Firewill's F-15SE Silent Eagle

In short: 100% of that modpack.
Happy to have wasted 5 minutes of my time for you.

[gloomy mango]

Thanks for "wasting"time and being somewhat professional 😉

[soft egret]

im not giving any game advantage, the DONATIONS are purely to cover the serverbox cost
Why does your patreon say that people get ingame advantages if they give you money then? Conflicting information right there.

[gloomy mango]

Took the patreon down now

[fossil basalt]

..and Banned.

[ebon tusk]

@fossil basalt im curious how many people do you guys ban everyday on average from the discord ? 😄

[fossil basalt]

Not many

Today == 2

[soft egret]

counting spambots about a dozen nvm he said people

[fossil basalt]

and one of those the bot banned.

[fallen wagon]

Those russian spambots are people too!

[ebon tusk]

Cant you just slap on 2 factor authenticator to ppl who join? Im sure that would put a hold on the bots & people ban evading no?

[soft egret]

yup. And also put a hold on 90% of our users here.

[sweet sentinel]

Have another Exile community utilizing RHS/CUP/Firewill/HAFM with illegal monetization, selling ingame advantages as "donator packages"

Server name: =RedRiver= Exile-Altis|MiL|PVP|FT|VG|HK/GD|
Address: 185.38.151.215:2302
Server version: 194145977
Required game version: 1.94.143869

Map: Altis
Mission: Exile

Donations packages
All server donations are higly appricated, and goes towards the server, Website, and other serverrelated bs. Once payed you got your Perks for 30days

Package 1) 5USD
☠ Option to build on Destroyers,Small donation basecrate, VIP-rank on Discord.*

Package 2) 10 USD
☠ Package one + Base paint

Package 3) 15 USD
☠ Package One & Two + Large Donation box, Option to build on Carrier + 2 Rubber Ducks

From their discord; https://discord.gg/DyG7Hrf

Not on the approved monetization list

[low pebble]

He's here

@obsidian ermine

[fallen wagon]

RHS again... Nice!

[low pebble]

Rubber ducks, sounds to me like a whole lot of poptabs

[uncut hedge]

Did I hear ducks?

[soft egret]

Seems like we should take a closer look at Exile servers huh?

[rapid cypress]

A study on the amount of somewhat popular altis life/exile servers and how many of them break rules would be interesting

[pallid plaza]

90%

[echo orchid]

@sweet sentinel cheers, the guy is a fuckwit, i will deal with it

[fallen wagon]

The majority of small Exile servers that take donations are running RHS, or similar mods, without permission. At least a fair few do actually reach out with mod authors before attempting to monetize.

[teal tapir]

I tryed looking through the monetized approved list are they even approved?

[soft egret]

no

[teal tapir]

Ooof hopefully they fix it n apply for monetization or big rip to their server

[low pebble]

They don't really care bth

[fallen wagon]

Until they called out and either ban all of the Czech from joining their server, or comply I guess.

[low pebble]

I'm in that discord, watched pufu talk to m and the guy is just a weirdo. No other way to put it.

[teal tapir]

Logical all he has do is simply stuff but I guess he wants to take the hard way n get in alot of shit

[echo orchid]

please let me deal with my own IP rights. i appreciate it, but i don't need your support if by that you understand picking a text fight with retards. I bump into these sort of people quite a bit

[outer ocean]

Hey how do you guys deal with people who have more lax copyright laws like China or whatever? Surely you have to respect their laws

I mean KA weapons is here because of their location

[rapid cypress]

I dont think arma is super wide spread in China

Atleast I cant remember seeing any chinese in my arma history oottomh

[outer ocean]

Yeah but they won a counter-DMCA

Plus I assume they have their own Asian servers

Twitch has occasional streamers from that continent

[fallen wagon]

There are a few Hong kong communities I'm aware of. Similar in Russia and Turkey. I doubt either have amenable copyright laws.

But they dont need to do anything to do with those systems. They can just as easily disable Battleye there too.

[paper prawn]

I dont think arma is super wide spread in China Atleast I cant remember seeing any chinese in my arma history oottomhAren't most banned from BattlEye? 😉

[novel surge]

There’s a ton of arma players in China, Taiwan and Hong Kong. But they typically play their own servers and missions that use chinese language

[grizzled haven]

Don't waste your time on Chinese servers even Bohemia can't do anything. They've been stealing stuff from the western world for decades (counterfeit clothing and mroe)

[faint nacelle]

they can close battleeye

[faint nacelle]

id recon it should at least hamper their gameplay a bit if their servers had no battle-eye. even if more could not be made

of course its not really going to happen

[carmine folio]

Even if they do steal the plans to the next gen fighter jet, they still havent figured out how to land their shit on carriers, they crash their shit all the time. so we fine

[prisma scaffold]

As defined in the rules. Yes, as long as the donation is strictly that, no benefits within arma 3 whats so ever. Then your fine.

[fossil basalt]

Note: if you don't want posts removed, don't use profanity, thanks!

[amber eagle]

Sometimes I wish there was legal insurance for people who need to be taken to court

[fallen wagon]

Like a lawyer takes both your families hostage and sells them if you don't show up?

[rapid cypress]

[amber eagle]

Not necessarily, but lets not rule anything out now. I mean like you can pay for legal insurance and if you need to sue someone, for example to get a court order for someone filing a false counter DMCA, you won't go broke doing so.

[soft egret]

We have that in germany

Just like health insurance

[opaque needle]

Can anyone explain to me how the RHS licensing works? Don't wanna accidently break it

[dull moon]

http://www.rhsmods.org/page/EULA

easy to read

[opaque needle]

From what i've understood, i'm allowed to use it in with other mods on a server I host but I may not monetize the server in any way and I may not combine the mod with something else (or have it alone) and republish it on for example, the steam workshop

Just wanna get it right

[dull moon]

jep...
no monetization, no repacks, no reuploads to the WS and no retex of certain parts of the mods

[opaque needle]

ws?

oh workshop

Yeah not planning on doing any of that

All I wanna do is use it as a mod on my server (a server without any form of monetisation).

That's all good, right?

And it won't be repacked into a "complete modpack" for people to download. If they wanna join they'll have to download it from the official rhs workshop page or website

what does retex mean btw?

[rapid cypress]

Retexture

[opaque needle]

nvm retexture

yeah

[rapid cypress]

But ye just using it like that should be fine

[opaque needle]

sweet

Cheers for the help

[novel surge]

What if a server owner accepts donations but offers user support for in game issues (say respawning items that glitched) but doesn’t give it to other users? Since that’s improving the gameplay in a bias way does that mean it’s disallowed?

[opaque needle]

Can't imagine that being allowed

You're giving people special help / advantages if they pay you

[lone basin]

That's not a donation anymore. It's a sale

[opaque needle]

what he said ^

[spare osprey]

Wouldn’t that be paying for IT support vs monetization.

[opaque needle]

Bottom line is, he's giving advantages to people for money

Which isn't allowed

[rapid cypress]

^

We had a conversation about a situation like this recently here or in #other_ip_topics

[spare osprey]

I disagree , having the approach I’m going to take care of issues with personal time for donators/unit members isn’t a ridiculous concept. Not one I follow though.

Although I can see it can easily be abused.
Here is your tank back that “got” arma’d.

Ah I just realized this is the wrong channel

[lone basin]

The issue is that it's either you pay and you have access to support or you don't and you don't have any kind of support (in the example)

[spare osprey]

I can see that if the server owner advertised it as such. Good point .

[dull moon]

now imagine mods like CUP, RHS, TFAR, ACE and CBA would change to paid support only...

🔥

for $5/month you get access to a trouble shooting wiki
for $10/month you get access to email support within 48h
for $15/month you get email support within 24h
for $20/month you get access to troubleshooting discord text chat
for $25/month you get access to voice chat
for $30/month you get screen sharing access

sounds like a good plan to me

😄

[rapid cypress]

Of course they also collect as much data as possible and sell that @dull moon

[dull moon]

ssshhh

don't you spoil the kids

[rapid cypress]

[scarlet patrol]

I was wondering
lets say I take various things from other mods
and for size reasons I pack only the things I need into another mod that I don't publish but pass to unit members privately.
while I don't think it breaks any rule, it still feels unfair for the mod makers who are missing subscribes.
would it be ok if I just made people sub to a modlist with said mods and then make them use the custom file?
Would this method still be an IP violation?

[it is of course just a though, I don't know how to do this and even if I knew I'd be scared by the unholy amount of errors it would create]

[lone basin]

Why making a mod pack in the first place then?

[faint nacelle]

very rarely taking parts of mods works properly so its not even a very good practice

and you would lose all support from the mod makers

because you cant report any issues to anyone

mod makers dont really get anything out of sub, except maybe a warm fuzzy feeling of appreciation

[scarlet patrol]

its still important

[faint nacelle]

it is

and most people dont like their stuff being taken apart

in that manner anyway

[scarlet patrol]

I see
would be foolish anyway to pretend any help after that
would be like complaining to the Ferrari HQ that my car doesnt move even if I took off its wheels

[faint nacelle]

and in some cases it probably might involve debinning stuff which is the slippery slope to the dark side

exactly

[rapid cypress]

would be foolish anyway to pretend any help after that
would be like complaining to the Ferrari HQ that my car doesnt move even if I took off its wheels

Thats what you say, some lifers dont agree

[lone basin]

Thats what you say, some lifers dont agree
most

[rapid cypress]

Heh possibly

[scarlet patrol]

its just that sometimes I see incredible models or awesome equipment that I can't use because it would require to load several other things I wouldnt use on the server and on the modpack

would love to see someway to just download single elements from packs without breaking them
that doesnt include making 300 mods for a faction mod

[faint nacelle]

its pretty much impossible

[scarlet patrol]

I mean, I think it is if you make a mod for each piece of gear but there are mods like rhs that would take a lifetime to be separated like this and still work

[faint nacelle]

indeed

[rapid cypress]

I think the way RHS does it is pretty good

having USAF/AFRF/GREF/SAF

They could have made it all one big mod

[scarlet patrol]

thanks god for that at least

[rapid cypress]

Ye

[scarlet patrol]

x: hey dude how long till your download is done
y: yes

[rapid cypress]

heh p much

[stable zealot]

If a community allows people to donate to keep the server running, with nothing in return is that breaking any rules? What about regarding mods such as RHS which say “no monetisation”?

As a related but seperate question, what about if all players had access to the same helmet (made by a member of the community) however, there existed an option to pay money to the creator of the addon in exchange for a customised texture on the helmet (such as a name or insignia)?

[dull moon]

part 1:
no problem at all. donations without a reward to not count as monetization

part 2:
the creator of the helmet is not allowed to sell modded content as soon as arma 3 tech / tools is involved in the creation process

[echo orchid]

@scarlet patrol it is just fine to create your modpack, even for RHS, as long as that modpack is not on steam workshop

it doesn’t matter if it private or public, it still breaks steam TOS that requires uploader to own ip rights over whatever he is uploading

@stable zealot donations are obviously allowed - and by donations i mean voluntary payments where the donator gets duck all in return. the moment he gets something back for his money, then its a sale,

and that is not allowed for most mods, inclusing RHS

[stable zealot]

Brilliant, thanks for the clarification. Our community currently keeps the TS/Arma server running based on donations, however some members have previously expressed interest in generating the funds with alternative methods. I’ve always thought the idea of customised gear sounded nice, but was bound to cause some trouble somewhere.

[gentle isle]

How does someone manage to file a DMCA claim on a mod?

[dull moon]

@gentle isle
https://i.imgur.com/8RLhMui.png
https://i.imgur.com/hxi3XRm.png
fill out the form following

[paper prawn]

English only please on this discord... 😉

[gentle isle]

No, I mean why can you file a DMCA on a mod since they all use modified ARMA 3 assets?

[dull moon]

@paper prawn
just for you
https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aWE6R3A_460svvp9.webm

😉

@gentle isle
do they though?

if one creates something that was not in the arma 3 base game, is that still a "modified arma 3 asset"?

don't think so

[gentle isle]

It uses their engine and their game though.

[dull moon]

has nothing to to do with filing a DMCA for IP rights violation

not at all

[paper prawn]

Yeah, liked that a lot @dull moon

[dull moon]

thought so 😄

your argumentation is like if somebody rips your new composed song and sells it as his own, but you could not strike him because you played it on a gibson guitar

@gentle isle

makes no sense, eh?

[gentle isle]

But what if you're not selling it.

Making no money at all.

[dull moon]

doesn't matter

[paper prawn]

Intellectual property theft is a pretty defined idea... google is a good resource to use to learn more

[dull moon]

whatever he does with it without your permission is a violation

[paper prawn]

CUP is also a licensed product with a very explicit license on what you can and cannot do with it

[dull moon]

another example:
you made a painting for a specific audience and a specific cause, then somebody makes a copy of it, uses in a montage and gets fame for that. but you never intended to let somebody make a montage with it. why should you not be allowed to file against the person? just because you used faber castel colors for the original?

[gentle isle]

What if original credit is given?

[dull moon]

doesn't matter if the license strictly forbids it

see, it's not that easy

[paper prawn]

When you use their product, you accept their license. You also accept Bohemia's ARMA EULA and you accept Steam Workshop's EULA that says if you are not the creator then you cannot upload...

Hey... Come watch the game on my 72" TV! I stole it from Chris, so all is good!

[dull moon]

one thing that bothers me a little with all the IP discussion is, technically it's not theft...

¯_(ツ)_/¯

the original still remains with the author

@paper prawn

[gentle isle]

I've seen a number of good old mods from ARMA 2 that have languished into almost total obscurity because their creators never ported them and they either dropped off the face of the earth completely or decide that they want to be a stubborn old fart and they have a chip on their shoulder about ARMA 3 for some reason.

Because almost nobody plays ARMA 2 anymore.

[dull moon]

@gentle isle
and as the IP holder they have the right to it

and we need to respect that

[paper prawn]

technically it's not theft It is a violation of the contract that the downloader has with the content creator in this case I guess

[dull moon]

although because that's the law

[paper prawn]

When you use CUP you agree to the license.

[gentle isle]

Well if people decide to do that, they're being moronic fools.

[dull moon]

maybe

but still their choice and right to do so

[paper prawn]

Rule of Law is very important in some parts of the world, and contract law is very important to that

[gentle isle]

I want to know why so many old modders have such a chip on their shoulder about ARMA 3.

[dull moon]

it is not arma 3 in general they dislike, more the fact that the main distribution platform for mods and the game (steam workshop) has weird ways of handling rights of the creators

and the ongoing IP violations of young and ignorant modders

well, at least a good portion of old folks i know don't port their stuff because they don't want it to end up as a reupload or in a life mod pack

[gentle isle]

So if somebody adapted something old and forgotten but put it on Armaholic only?

Life mod?

[dull moon]

arma 3 life mods

Armaholic only
as soon as something is ported to arma, you can count the days until somebody violates the IP rights / license /wishes of the original creator and uploads it to the workshop

in general by life mod server admins

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gentle isle]

Well that sounds like that's just the nature of modding in general.

That there's gonna be somebody somewhere that will put it up and not give credit to the original dev.

[paper prawn]

Yeah, this really is a thing that you need to look at the last five years - especially since Life was released. For example, Bohemia's strict rules on monetization are a result of abuses that almost killed the ARMA 3 modding community and did cause a lot of good modders to throw in the towel

[gentle isle]

I mean look at CWR 2.

[paper prawn]

And then, even those rules are blatantly ignored

[gentle isle]

That would be one of the most popular mods on the workshop if it was ported but like others it just languishes, forgotten.

[dull moon]

I mean look at CWR 2.
wait a little bit 😉