Like, let's say a new community starts up, they have to pay for their services, then mid july 2016 (i think) rolls around and monetization rules are put into effect, they cannot sell anything on their servers anymore and since thier server is not full they can't profit off of reserved slots, so they have to shut down cause they can't afford payments, thats just one example
#ip_rights_violations
vocal quiver
Or, let's say a developer makes a server, his interest is in making money, he makes a server that is really good because it's a job for him, 2016 july rolls around, he can't make the same money he used to off of his hard work, he leaves arma 3.
tawny sentinel
Then best of luck to him.
burnt oak
How does he make less money if all of the content on his server is made by himself
vocal quiver
Yeah, best of luck to them, they go to a new game and make profit off of it while making a quality product for their playerbase, everyone wins and if people have issues with sales they can play a different server
tawny sentinel
I don't care if they make a new game. That's their IP then. I care about ARMA, not someone else's game.
vocal quiver
I don't have time to spend 12 hours a day making a server for people to get nothing out of it and even pay for it (600$ a month btw)
soft egret
I never saw gaming communities as a way to make money for a living.
Always saw it like a good deed hobby that someone does out of fun and passion
signal igloo
Server owner here. How the hell are you paying 600$ a month for a server
vocal quiver
If you care about arma you may want to atleast understand why all the good content and work died around 2016
soft egret
^ Same question
signal igloo
just asking how many tens of servers you have to run to get to that price point
soft egret
I saw on psisyn website some list of money you pay out.. And it just seemed ridiculous
vocal quiver
3 dedicated machines, ddos protection is key, knowing the arma community, and running a high population server requires a strong box
tawny sentinel
Knowing the Arma community?
How many times have you been DDoSed Ded since running yours? 😄
signal igloo
I pay 100$ for 2 physical dedicated servers with 32gb ram and modern i7's and only a small chunk of that power is actually required to host an arma server for 62 players.
tawny sentinel
Sounds like quite a toxic community then.
vocal quiver
you mean the life community in general
soft egret
It's still life @tawny sentinel
vocal quiver
haha
if ddos protection wasn't an absolute must, we would pay alot less
We face hackers, ddos, dox threats, edgy people every day
I wish I could just get away from it all sometimes cause it's seriously not good for my mentality
vocal quiver
We have thousands of people playing our servers, if they all quit at the same time i wouldn't mind
i can't just quit man for multiple reasons and money isn't even remotely important
signal igloo
Just saying. If you like spend 500$ a month on DDOS mitigations for a toxic community and you don't really enjoy doing, then why do it in the first place?
vocal quiver
I enjoy it and i don't at the same time
grand oyster
You're the one in charge of your wellbeing, you can continue or choose your mental health
vocal quiver
I'm addicted to development and seeing people enjoy things i help create
up until psisyn community i made nothing off developemnt
burnt oak
Then run a community base not around a3life. I enjoy the same and I play in a community which allows me to go wild with scripts
signal igloo
The money you make off it is most likely not worth the trouble that comes along with it
tawny sentinel
There are plenty of people here looking for guys willing to learn how to create their own stuff.
vocal quiver
We have the most popular exile server aswell
oblique mauve
grand oyster
@errant drum :kappa:
oblique mauve
grand oyster
👋 @strong jasper
vocal quiver
well, it's new and could die, but as far as traffic its the most popular right now
strong jasper
Yeah but don’t you face most of those issues because at various times in the life of your servers, you’ve been the testing ground for hacks..?
oblique mauve
Because of it's name....
vocal quiver
basically kup
oblique mauve
PsiSyn, people think the streamer is gonna play with them
And 90 player slots 😂
LAG
vocal quiver
barely
tawny sentinel
@oblique mauve Please stem the shitposting
burnt oak
really soudns to me, you are primarly in it for the money and then maybe for the developing of new things
grand oyster
^ People pretty much flock because it's like PSISYN OMG as far as I'm aware
soft egret
https://www.exilemod.com/servers/ Exile servers sorted by playercount 🤔
vocal quiver
If you've played our exile at full population its really not laggy at all
most people actually get over 60-100 fps when its full
grand oyster
"people"
scarlet osprey
Our server is not on that list: Exile: 46/90
grand oyster
What's the delay like when doing stuff though?
oblique mauve
@soft egret That's not all the severs m9
scarlet osprey
bold umbra
👀
soft egret
Why is the most popular server not on the list of exile servers on the exile website?
oblique mauve
Lol
grand oyster
You need to manually add the server
oblique mauve
No one (No offence exile) uses that page on the website
vocal quiver
we never added it lmao
grand oyster
Well, the owner does
oblique mauve
atleast 80% of the servers on that list are dead
soft egret
Why would you not add the most popular exile server to the apparently official list of exile servers.
oblique mauve
use a3launcher for better stats
@soft egret That's not an official list
It's a community list
bold umbra
🍿
vocal quiver
i don't know dedmen
scarlet osprey
idd @bold umbra
vocal quiver
never got around to it
soft egret
I would try to list my "most popular" server everywhere so that it get's even more popular and more people can enjoy playing there.
bold umbra
what you want boy @scarlet osprey
oblique mauve
Download a3launcher, select "Exile" in the mods and sort by playercount
strong jasper
The point I was making is that you say paying for DDOS protection puts prices up, but you willingly let dozens of known hackers use your server(s). Of course that’ll attract drama.
scarlet osprey
I just said indeed m8 😃
grand oyster
I mean, psis videos do that instead practically @soft egret
tawny sentinel
Anyhow, plenty of people are looking for people willing to learn how to do stuff provided you have the patience and the genuine will to learn how to do stuff outside the life communities, should you ever change your mind @vocal quiver
bold umbra
ah, i dont understand the slang 😄
oblique mauve
90 players are all hackers
vocal quiver
yeah ^
bold umbra
😄
vocal quiver
literally everyone
scarlet osprey
We still have infi ban list
bold umbra
we had to modify infistar whitelisting JUST so he could whitelist the world.
vocal quiver
yeah volvo
bold umbra
😄 how is that working btw?
vocal quiver
i like koth but it's very restricting
soft egret
I mean..
Even gametracker
No clan info is available. Are you the game server owner?
If so, claim this server to add your clan's information to this page!
Seems like the devs don't really think it's that good a server. Not even worth to claim it on gametracker or add it to community server lists
oblique mauve
Cuz he can
bold umbra
🍿
oblique mauve
Chill dawg
soft egret
Am I?
scarlet osprey
Yes, you are.
oblique mauve
Pfff
vocal quiver
monkey s
bold umbra
🍿 🍿 🍿 👀
soft egret
I guess I don't know what shit talking means then
scarlet osprey
How old are you?
quartz sand
grand oyster
lmao this is pretty good to watch
tawny sentinel
@cold pasture Can we get a man with a makarov in here to higher the quality of the discussion?
burnt oak
It is funny that the response to that easy to answer question is shit posting. Says kinda everything about that person.
oblique mauve
@scarlet osprey Me and my friends made you cry on stream once when you were drinking 😂
Good role model
scarlet osprey
Link the VoD
oblique mauve
OLD
oblique mauve
It's like 4 years ago
vocal quiver
he cries all the time
oblique mauve
Raided and cried
bold umbra
oh wait #ip_rights_violations
oblique mauve
Nah like proper cried
cold pasture
arrives
scarlet osprey
soft egret
That's why I stay away of all these big streamers or youtubers. All the same mentality in the backend. But looking so nice on the front
grand oyster
was about to ask if Mr FM is awake
scarlet osprey
Wow, you took advantage of a man who was in a drunken state and sad
oblique mauve
I say "Me and my friends" but it was actually my friends
scarlet osprey
🔥
vocal quiver
can we rename this to top 10 anime battles channel
oblique mauve
I just laughed
scarlet osprey
12 btw
oblique mauve
"Man"
bold umbra
lmfao
cold pasture
takes Makarov out of the holster, places on desk, proceeds to read the scroll-back.
oblique mauve
Used lightly
bold umbra
:D i like this guy
oblique mauve
same
vocal quiver
dwarden will be dissapointed in all of us when he gets back and sees this
oblique mauve
Rename this channel, "Rip into Psisyn"
vocal quiver
monkeyt
scarlet osprey
I love you guys, thanks for making my morning
grand oyster
tssssk #offtopic_arma before we all get the bans
soft egret
This all here started just because I rightfully reported a server's rule violation and the server owners weren't happy with it and tried to get around punishment for knowingly not caring about rules
vocal quiver
we aren't full of ourselves we are self aware that we are dogshit
bold umbra
😠 embed it!!!
oblique mauve
@soft egret And look at all the people on your side 😄
soft egret
@bold umbra #info_help_tips no links without description 😉
grand oyster
And only Vets can embed
bold umbra
oh lol thanks, i'm not in here much
vocal quiver
if i cared about people calling our servers dogshit i would have cracked by now
i find it funny cause its true
oblique mauve
@scarlet osprey Is it true you use godmode when killing people? lol
bold umbra
Tbh repentz, the reason i LOVE ur servers is
it's a hackers haven you keep them off other servers
so you may remian 😄
grand oyster
all the players that beg for an unban
tawny sentinel
It's irrelevant to the discussion
soft egret
@oblique mauve I'd say too offtopic
bold umbra
@grand oyster basically lol
quartz sand
@oblique mauve Harry you are drunk
grand oyster
*are you
vocal quiver
listen none of the hackers nuke our servers besides like 1-2 angry people and thats fine with me
oblique mauve
@quartz sand Excuse me?
quartz sand
tawny sentinel
I suggest you ignore all the people who weren't apart of our original conversation and who have no interest in engaging in good faith, until fer cleans up the mess @vocal quiver.
vocal quiver
what fun is going in godmode and killing someone
grand oyster
vocal quiver
yeah but i like the banter @tawny sentinel
oblique mauve
@vocal quiver Dunno? Makes you look like a "good" player on stream?
vocal quiver
everyone knows lewis is trash at arma
tawny sentinel
That's fine. But this channel isn't for it.
quartz sand
@oblique mauve clip or it did not happen ya drunk
scarlet osprey
Monkey, please grow up, you're embarrassing your own community.
vocal quiver
but he makes more money than most people here on his dead channel
tawny sentinel
Don't come in here just to insult someone @oblique mauve
quartz sand
You're typing in a arma 3 discord who are you buddy 
oblique mauve
Hardly, they know what i'm like
grand oyster
how much does he earn tho
oblique mauve
¯_(ツ)_/¯
cold pasture
folks, pause for a moment please.
grand oyster
Fer needs to catch up 😛
vocal quiver
more than people who make money off reserved slots
ebon ruin
Can we get back to reporting reuploads on steam workshop please _
bold umbra
🍿
quartz sand
I guess if I was a proud owner of gamingatdeathsdoor.com I would pull the relevancy card as well.
cold pasture
no, i mean pause b/c some of you need to stop and think carefully about whether what you are posting here a) is relevant to the channel purpose, and b) adds value to the discussion
vocal quiver
true fer thats why i suggested we move to off topic
oblique mauve
I shall stop 😉
vocal quiver
monkey thats slander
grand oyster
cough #offtopic_arma
cold pasture
@oblique mauve and @vocal quiver get a room, go somewhere else, whatever; but take this chat elsewhere.
@tawny sentinel thanks for the shout
the rest of you, please remember to keep it civil and on topic as much as you can. thank you for your co-operation.
tawny sentinel
Not a problem.
grand oyster
holsters Makarov?
vocal quiver
we are in offtopic
cold pasture
leaves the Makarov just where it is.
bold umbra
😄
fossil basalt
So that we are clear @vocal quiver @scarlet osprey regarding BI monetisation rules. If you do not have explicit (legal proof of) permission to use someone’s mod on your monetised server, remove it immediately. I.e. when you get home from work.
Monetised servers that are in violation will be taken down shortly.
safe arrow
Well then, it might be helpful to take those both servers down as they applied for the monetization list and therefor accepted those rules. Couldnt be any clearer that they violated the rules (and "oh i did not read that or assumed something else" is no excuse for that)
sinful osprey
Reported PsiSyn for using my addons on a monetized server with no permission, they just repacked and renamed the addon...
tawny sentinel
Which one is that, out of curiosity? So we can ping you in the future in case we see it elsewhere in modpacks. @sinful osprey
soft egret
Someone should make a list of pbo name tags and authors for this channel. Maybe we can even show that on the crawler?
things like hlc,rh,rhs,cup I know. But others I always don't know if the authors have anything against reuploads or who the authors really are. So I just don't tell anyone about them
dull moon
afaik the modpack is not on the WS
tawny sentinel
I think he was speaking generally.
soft egret
Maybe allow users with accounts on the crawler to enter a entry into that list? Maybe something like
tfar_*, Author dedmen
Just something simple
sinful osprey
ftp://54.39.28.125/@scarlet osprey-Lakeside/addons/ that's their addonsync
tawny sentinel
But yeah, a page on the crawler for contact info would be pretty good for knowing who to contact.
soft egret
@sinful osprey `<stuff here>` to not mention
Another small task for @river spear who sure doesn't have enough work on his shoulders yet 😄
river spear
wait where
soft egret
my last message above mine
I also wonder where they got the permission from to upload asdg_jr.. considering it's outdated and not maintained anymore.. If they asked the author for permission he would've told them that it's already included in CBA and they should use that instead..
soft egret
Looking at all that stuff. I don't think they got permission for anything they are using
tawny sentinel
Is HLC still there?
soft egret
Unless someone told them they are breaking rules. And then they came in after the fact and got permission for it.
^ yes
sinful osprey
@tawny sentinel Told them to remove Kangaro0_Buildings and Kangaro0_Police, they repacked _Police and it's now PSI_Police
safe arrow
Why should they even ask, when they can just "assume" that its okay to use all that. And ask the mod creators to write them in case of problems.....
dull moon
i'm off for my KKK routine, cya later
(Kaffe, Kippen, Kacken)
tawny sentinel
Wait they just renamed the PBO and repacked it?
faint nacelle
that should be automatic close for them
safe arrow
BI should take some action, to show that their rules still apply... especially when it comes to monetization
sinful osprey
Repathed everything in the pbo to the new file name from my original pbo
snow bloom
Wow.. That was a long read
tawny sentinel
I don't know whether to laugh or cry
Maybe a bit of both
That's just lazy, and they kept calling it _Police as well.
soft egret
They even put their own name on it ^^ That's even going a step further than they have to
tawny sentinel
Obligatory "I made this" meme https://imgur.com/a/04DkeTJ
tawny sentinel
Just go do your KKK routine
dull moon
i AM already in it, not telling what part tho 😉
soft egret
@sinful osprey also tell @fossil basalt about it instead of just using the report button. They are collecting stuff to make this stealing and ignoring rules end for good.
sinful osprey
will do
soft egret
They bragged about their very expensive high end servers. And here I am downloading a file with 50KB/s
sturdy forum
$550 for DDoS protection, $50 for HIGH END servers.
burnt oak
reminds me of that time someone repacked my mod and then obfusicated it and thrown in anti debugging config as well
soft egret
You mean... last week? 😄
burnt oak
lol ye
echo orchid
what did i miss here 😃
tawny sentinel
A lot
soft egret
PsiSyn and his folk were here
echo orchid
damn it
soft egret
looking into PSI_Police right now even though it's not done downloading. I can already see Mikeros obfuscated header and russian names.
Even if they pretent it's their mod.. Why is everything inside it russian 🤔
sturdy forum
read up if you spare the time to read over 1000 messengers.
tawny sentinel
We had a pleasant conversation with PsiSyndicate & Co
soft egret
tawny sentinel
It's really quite something
sturdy forum
had no idea you could link to certain areas of a convo ^
soft egret
nope
tawny sentinel
Not to my knowledge.
soft egret
@sturdy forum in discord developer mode since about last week
tawny sentinel
But if you want to have a good laugh, feel free to read what was said.
sturdy forum
Ahh gotcha
echo orchid
i just skip read it
the same - but server costs money sort of approach, i have not read or agreed to anything, ignorance saves me from any sort of penalty or judgement
soft egret
TLDR. "We didn't read the rules. I didn't know about them" "You were told several times in the past about the same kind of violations though..." "I don't know the rules"
and repeating.
echo orchid
if i hear that shit one more time....
tawny sentinel
We're never getting the SCAR?
mental edge
You mean offenders re-offended? shocked
echo orchid
in fact i just spent 40 mins DMCAing shit this morning, instead of doing anything productive
tawny sentinel
At least we have the crawler, God knows how long it'd take to do by hand.
mental edge
in fact i just spent 40 mins DMCAing shit this morning, instead of doing anything productive
Non-stop DMCAing?
Holy shit and I though a couple a week was a PITA
echo orchid
@river spear can i get some 1 on 1 regarding deep search, i got several reports about RHS content being repacked
mental edge
Also deep search gives me like 100k results lol
tawny sentinel
That's just impressive. @mental edge
mental edge
or was that text search 🤔
echo orchid
40 minutes of reading reports, doing a scan and writting shit down, there were 12 offenders since yesterday, it takes me around 2 minutes per DMCA
mental edge
Oh I see, though u just went "click red button, fill in, repeat"
echo orchid
i am one of the lucky ones that get some reports from 3rd parties as well
mental edge
@tawny sentinel I think it's more of an issue with the crawler recognizing certain script I might have reused out of lazyness from a certain mister "life" whistles
echo orchid
so yeah, would love to do a deep scan based on some files rather than a collections, because that is in the thousands
and a lot are false positives anyways - as in most of them
mental edge
Exactly, also, can't you give authorisation to someone PuFu? Like an intern? 😄
echo orchid
we don't have interns 😃
mental edge
Ah cruel cruel world 😦
tawny sentinel
(Will file DMCAs for RHS stickers and patches)
mental edge
😂
echo orchid
and i do it because i have access to IP infringements lawyers and i sort of speak Legalese as well
tawny sentinel
Ah, you're apart of the legalize movement as well PuFu? Good to know, fellow smoker /s
echo orchid
someone of us older farts had to draw that short straw
fossil basalt
Legalese vs Legalize , that’s April 20th
echo orchid
fuck me, i should really quit smoking, not the canadian legal stuff, that is good for health as long as you don;t do it while driving
mental edge
Mhh, pretty sure people can do that on your behalf, copypasting some CAD. Like as you said, only a matter of "person X does this in 1 h, person Y nothing" maybe Y could do those. Not to come off like an asshole but sometimes your time's worth more. I'd prefer 1h of pufu modelling over 1h of pufu DMCA'ing.
echo orchid
edited - ty @fossil basalt
mental edge
SMoking is shit and you're killing yourself. That's all I gotta say.
fossil basalt
😉
mental edge
But free to do as you please ofc 🤷🏿
soft egret
offtopic :u (Please don't hurt me)
tawny sentinel
@soft egret You're dead to me.
soft egret
Okey. Yeah that PSI_Police pbo is completly obfuscated
echo orchid
do tell me if you have knowledge about some smarted way to do some deep scans
soft egret
Don't have tools here to unpack that now
You can exclude based on filename on deep scan I think. To remove most of the false positives
tawny sentinel
I can unpack it, send me a PM @soft egret
soft egret
you can also include by name. Or search files by just filename even if hashes are different.
Oh. psisyn is also still running RH M4, pistols and accessories
carmine folio
I personally enjoy if people use something I've made, not shit on them for using it, but I guess that's just me...
soft egret
I do too.
carmine folio
Sure does look like it 😃
faint nacelle
its about respecting the rules
soft egret
But I can understand why people don't like other people making money of your work and not giving you any cut and not following official rules on that matter.
mental edge
Steam workshop doesn't allow reuploads from non-authors. simple as that, no liking involved. I do not go after people hosting our mods elsewhere...
signal igloo
@carmine folio I do like it too when people use my stuff.
What I do not like is when people make money by using my stuff and I get none of that money.
Or when people rebrand my addon to make it seem as it was their original production.
blazing wyvern
why people think arma is like garry's mod , is out of my mind
carmine folio
@signal igloo lets say someone uses a mod I've made on their server, I don't really care if they make money from it or if they modify it as long as I'm still credited for the mod. If I've made a mod for free then it has never been my intention to make money from it, so I don't understand why I should care if others make money from it (indirectly as in using it on a server with loads of other mods, selling it directly is another thing ofc).
When it comes to rebranding something and not giving credit to the original author, that's not cool.
faint nacelle
That is of course your choice how you want to license your mod as it is someone elses to lincense it so that monetized servers have to ask for permission. Whatever the license is it has to be followed and that is what has not happened.
carmine folio
Tho that is just my opinion and that's why there are different licenses. I'm not here to have an hour long argument.
signal igloo
Thats your opinion for your own mods and I respect that. It's the reason licenses exist, so devs and creators for all kinds of software can exactly select the terms that apply to their software.
Some creators may choose a license that allows you to do anything as long as you give credit. Some may choose a license that doesent permit commercial and or military use.
These kind of licenses are very common in the Arma community.
faint nacelle
strange echo.
carmine folio
Also if someone wants to see a good meme, here's the psisyn server lol https://gyazo.com/d3cb1b2f6951dc750d7b8dca747516d9
fossil basalt
Licences and rules. If people would read them they would prevent bans , takedowns and loss of revenue.
echo orchid
@carmine folio sorry, what mod did you do if you don't mind me asking
also, the simple fact that you have no issue with it
doesn't necesary mean others should have the same stance
it's your mod, your IP rights, your license, your prerogatives
carmine folio
I haven't really made any mods, I've done mostly scripts. I just said up there that it's just my opinion and everyones welcome to use any license they want ^^
echo orchid
[2:58 PM] Fini: I haven't really made any mods
expected, it's really simple to say that when you are not affected
soft egret
I don't care what people do with the stuff I work on. As long as they follow rules.
echo orchid
^^ & my license
soft egret
You use my mod even though you are technically not allowed to? Unless I have a very bad day I don't care.
But if you also use other peoples mods that you are really not allowed to and they already told you and you keep ignoring them.. Hey! DMCA!
lunar vault
someone should make a parody video of YMCA
mental edge
Goat once did, shame he didn't sing though
vocal quiver
@sinful osprey don't worry we're removing your addons that you never asked money for until recently 😉
Next time you want money for something you never initially asked for, don't just go to bohemia about it before asking us first, it might help you next time.
soft egret
Didn't see any request for money... 🤔
mint edge
most of my addons allow monetization because i dont want to go through the hassle lmao so i dont rlly go after ppl monetizing
but not all are publicly usable
tawny sentinel
@vocal quiver Why is it obfuscated?
mint edge
ive never actually looked into it if it is difficult to enforce no monetization with my mods or not
if it is not hard ill probably make all my mods non-monetizable
soft egret
@vocal quiver https://www.bohemia.net/community/licenses/bohemia-interactives-tools-end-user-license ANY COMMERCIAL USE IS PROHIBITED WITHOUT PERMISSION. He can't even tell you guys to pay for it. Because you are not allowed to make money out of things made with BI tools
mint edge
^ that has stopped no life modder before
vocal quiver
so he's in the wrong for offering us these mods, then changing his mind and demanding money for his addons
soft egret
ive never actually looked into it if it is difficult to enforce no monetization with my mods or not
@mint edge You don't need to do anything. A mod by default doesn't allow monetization. People need to specifically request permission from you
soft egret
mint edge
o7
mint edge
just got a virus scan alert 🤔
soft egret
Maybe #!# is the secret code to activate Discord trojan takeover the world mode
tawny sentinel
@sinful osprey Did you use mikero's tools to obfuscate your stuff?
vocal quiver
why would that matter?
obfuscation is extremely easy to get into
if thats what you're refering to
mint edge
you only obfuscate if you have something to hide
usually
is what hes probably implying
tawny sentinel
But... You're obfuscating someone else's stuff?
vocal quiver
the tools meant to protect content have been reversed and nobody's making anything new so
who said that?
vocal quiver
i haven't touched any of kangaro0's stuff i don't even know if its in our server
i think we removed it when he had a fit over it last time
tawny sentinel
We literally just downloaded it off your FTP lol
soft egret
🤔 don't worry we're removing your addons
soft egret
You are not sure what exactly you are running? According to monetization rules you have to know about everything 😉
vocal quiver
jesus dude who hurt you
tawny sentinel
How can you not know which add ons are running on your monetized server?
vocal quiver
anyways im out, not gonna get into this again with someone like you, we spoke to the real creator of TFAR
mint edge
just as a heads up
tawny sentinel
Wat
vocal quiver
because I'm not the only developer of this server?
faint nacelle
now that you know the rules will you remove everything you dont have permission for?
vocal quiver
Yes we talked to the original creator of it
soft egret
I took over at 0.9.12. Considering you are running TFAR 0.9.12...
tawny sentinel
Well, that is embarrassing.
vocal quiver
I'm assuming its the latest since we run the steam version
I'll find an older version to use
soft egret
yeah. That's it. But yeah. That's fine. You can get permission from either him or me
both are valid
vocal quiver
would you give us permission or no
soft egret
nope
vocal quiver
so ill use a version you have no say in
soft egret
But if he gives you permission then it's fine of course. Most of 0.9.12's code is still his.
Though there is still the non commercial license on it
vocal quiver
Yes, as i was advised by the original creator, we should use a version which you did not contribute to because obviously you have an issue with us in particular and have even before today.
soft egret
Hm.. What he said to me doesn't sound at all like that ^^
But if he says that then okey. Last one before that was 0.9.8
vocal quiver
thanks
echo orchid
@vocal quiver dude, are you for real? is any of the freaking content you are using on that server of yours made by yourself?
some nerve you got
soft egret
I think. Not 100%. Here is my first contribution to TFAR https://github.com/michail-nikolaev/task-force-arma-3-radio/pull/947 Just check the date. Not sure what version that was
vocal quiver
kk
yeah pufu everything on everyone's modded servers now adays is completely created by the server owners and they spent years developing it all
echo orchid
@tawny sentinel can i get that FTP link quickly in PM plox
tawny sentinel
Absolutely.
echo orchid
@vocal quiver - o really? then how come i need to deal with monetize servers on a daily basis
soft egret
@fossil basalt PM is reference about last 10 or so messages by Repentz
echo orchid
that run shit that is either ripped or made by someone else
vocal quiver
It's like its a complete shock to you that the majority of modded servers out there run content on monetized servers that they don't have approval for
faint nacelle
does that make it right?
vocal quiver
ofcourse not
faint nacelle
and what will you do about that on your server?
vocal quiver
but acting like you're in shock over it doesn't make sense
vocal quiver
I'm a really sarcastic person and that didn't seem like it at all
faint nacelle
its because its aimed at you
mainly because clearly your server is part of the problem too
echo orchid
i am so fed up with this sort of behaviour by now
proper charm
Here we go again
echo orchid
uhh, MELB, that is going to be an issue
tawny sentinel
Oopsie owie
grand oyster
😂
vocal quiver
Personally I think the issue is the game is being killed by these restrictions
faint nacelle
its not
lunar vault
just don't monetize? if you can't afford to run a server after that then don't?
faint nacelle
it fared very well before life scene
vocal quiver
its an opinion and everyone's entitled to one
echo orchid
yeah right
dull moon
monkey sees, monkey does
THAT's how the lifer community runs. they don't care at all... they see X running a modpack, want tho have thair own server, copying the modpack from X, wondering why everybody is "hating" on them, untill they realize that they also copied a bunch of mods that are not allowed for what they are doing. monetozation, repacking... you name it
echo orchid
because modding didn't exist before you came along
lunar vault
very much disagree, unless you're confusing what dev means....look at cba, ace, tfar, acre, cup, rhs, to name but only a few...loads of good mod developers out there still
soft egret
@dull moon but it's fine. Because if you don't also punish the other guys they copied from. You can't punish them because it would be unfair
faint nacelle
pretty much the same guys have been actively around this discord for the past 4 years I've been around
proper charm
🤷
vocal quiver
No you guys are right
soft egret
Most modders that I know that left. Left because of work and time constraints.
echo orchid
and of course he is using KA shit
soft egret
Oh. yeah. That could be then.
faint nacelle
possibly
mental edge
🍿
vocal quiver
so like, when i say all the good devs left im refering to life devs
lunar vault
lol..."good" and "life dev" can't be used in the same sentence
dull moon
@vocal quiver
in all honesty, do you even know what you are running with your modpack? what mods are even inside it? mods that are legaly violating copyright and ip rights of other games?
vocal quiver
and milsim is a minority of the community and life servers brought thousands of people to the game through streamers
in my opinion
soft egret
People from the twitch community.. Did you ever sit back 5 minutes and looked at the chat of a "big" twitch streamer?
I don't want these people in Arma honestly
proper charm
I thought operation and zeus makes the most viewers on twitch?
unreal vortex
ANYONE TALKING SHIT TO REPENTZ WILL GET HIT OFF
faint nacelle
that could be true sure, but nothing about that entitles life servers to do what they want and disregard rules
tawny sentinel
sigh
dull moon
@unreal vortex
not helping
vocal quiver
i don't know, i remember tyler1, ice poseidon, greek, etc playing arma with a combined 30k viewers?
lirik?
proper charm
Then again, i don't watch twitch aside from when my mod is being highlighted
vocal quiver
single handedly 30k
proper charm
@vocal quiver who?
unreal vortex
are u talking about Arma is dead?
echo orchid
so, shit that it is used and i know the developers and have already notified or in the process
- melb
- mdb buildings
- mm buildings
- SMA
- TRYK
- Jbad
- BNAE
mental edge
nah it works the other way around mate
vocal quiver
oh you're threatening me here okay
faint nacelle
so you will knowingly keep breking clear rules?
steep quiver
That's same logic like "I'll file my taxes when IRS comes knocking"
unreal vortex
is this arma 3 Official Discord?
proper charm
I have no idea who those streamers are
soft egret
@unreal vortex positive.
mint edge
this is the official discord so try to keep it civil haha
vocal quiver
I'll deal with it when the proper content creators make requests for me to remove their mods through the proper process of removal
tawny sentinel
Personally, I'd rather have a tight knit community that supports each other then a community that is large and very divided.
echo orchid
@fossil basalt due to this dude acting dumb and doesn't carring at all about IP rights
can you please boot his ass, getting tired of the his presence
faint nacelle
do you understand that they dont have to request you to remove them
you have to request to use them from the creators
vocal quiver
I would too, but look how many milsim people constantly display their hate towards life communities when life communities never do the same
dull moon
@vocal quiver
here is how this works out for ALL of you:
- Delete the modpack
- build a mission based on the original framework WITHOUT mods
- once done, add mods BUT DO NOT PACK IT IN A MODPACK but create mod collections on steam
- ask EVERY MOD AUTOR for permission and save the convo for later use if needed
mint edge
well their hate comes from the abuse of the monetization system i think
echo orchid
i have yet to see communities who gives less of a fuck about someone's elses property
proper charm
Now I remember why I don't visit this server very often.
vocal quiver
true mike
echo orchid
than your kind of people
mint edge
its not just life anyway but it is majority life
tawny sentinel
It's usually not this bad, but this guy has quite a nerve. @proper charm
fresh harbor
i have yet to see communities who gives less of a fuck about someone's elses property I absolutely agree
echo orchid
as in ever, in any game, bar maybe the freaking garrys mod and facepunch bucket
vocal quiver
i think pufu, that some people remember that at the end of the day this is just a game
proper charm
Have you tried modding arma, m8?
echo orchid
good grief
tawny sentinel
I wonder how many hours PuFu has put into our beloved game.
vocal quiver
so that's why I don't care as much as some people
soft egret
Also have one guy on reddit telling me that lifer's are not the only problem. That milsim is also very bad.
In my last look for illegal tfar reuploads I found 23. 19 life, 4 milsim.
Now look at how many life servers use TFAR. And how many milsim groups do.
Now say again that life isn't really the problem and that milsim is just as bad
echo orchid
[4:59 PM] Repentz: so that's why I don't care as much as some people
are you actually for real?
halcyon quest
But dedmen how many people are going to report their on milsim group
vocal quiver
the problem is people trying to restrict their assets, not sharing it constantly wanting control or money from their work
vocal quiver
IMO
faint nacelle
but you want money from your work
soft egret
@halcyon quest Don't understand? The typo somewhere in there is confusing me
fresh harbor
the problem is people trying to restrict their assets, not sharing it constantly wanting control or money from their work
Hahahahahahaha
tawny sentinel
In a perfect world, everything would be open source. But that doesn't mean that it's creators can't tell you what you cannot do with their work.
dull moon
its TFAR ffs 😉
halcyon quest
What I mean was for unauthorised mods in general
proper charm
What is this money from modding yer talking about?
vocal quiver
don't worry, ill either use an older version or just redo it
halcyon quest
less people would report a 20 man milsim group than a 100 person life community
soft egret
@vocal quiver you cannot use anything you don't have permission for.
dull moon
What is this money from modding yer talking about?
ther is no money for modding
echo orchid
@halcyon quest false
proper charm
Exactly @dull moon
mint edge
paid mods? 🤔 bethesda?
soft egret
@halcyon quest yeah. But we have the workshop crawler that checks and reports every single item on the workshop. So size of audience doesn't matter
proper charm
@mint edge no.
halcyon quest
That would require the mod being on steam
soft egret
correct yeah
vocal quiver
does that mean i can't use the arma 3 p90 mod without asking dwarden?
echo orchid
dude, i have taken down websites and servers that had an overall community of 20
proper charm
Yeah?
soft egret
Correct.
cinder ridge
Exactly, unless stated otherwise
dull moon
if you want it on a monetized server, it needs permission @vocal quiver
mental edge
you wouldn't steal a car exciting music plays 🎶
vocal quiver
damn let me pm dwarden about that really quick
proper charm
If it's unmonetized, i think it's fine?
dull moon
☝
soft egret
@halcyon quest ah you mean stuff like private repositories? Yeah. No one really cares about small arma groups using your mods.
Mod Authors mainly look at workshop and monetized servers
vocal quiver
ill also go find every server using the p90 mod and report it to bohemia cause i hate life
tawny sentinel
Ok.
dull moon
do it
echo orchid
i do care about private repros
don't care where it is, if it is monetized i'll bring the house down on you
mental edge
You do realize that if you piss against the wrong tree this could have serious IRL consequences? Just saying...
halcyon quest
@soft egret Yea that was what I was getting at no one will really report that kind of thing since no one would really know about it unless they were apart of it
soft egret
"monetized" is the keyword.
That's what I meant. Modders care if it's on workshop, or if it's monetized.
But non workshop non monetized. Don't care really
Same goes for small non-monetized life servers with their arma3sync repo's.
dull moon
@west bluff
dude, really?
halcyon quest
They usually have people that know about it that dislike the owners or members that would report it
dull moon
F off
soft egret
@cold pasture ? ->> @west bluff
halcyon quest
there is a lot more salt and edgy stuff going on in life than milsim i would assume
echo orchid
@west bluff ohhh...so sweet of you
mental edge
@west bluff try investing time and money into work you provide for free only to see others make money off it. Just... what the fuck
dull moon
salty popcorn
soft egret
@halcyon quest That's just because there are more lifer's I'd say. There is lots of stuff going on in the back of small milsim groups.
tawny sentinel
Obviously a nuanced understanding of others work is beyond the scope of his capabilities.
rustic venture
Hello is Furcon here?
soft egret
Just ignore the troll. He'll be gone soon
carmine folio
Dedmen are you a furry
soft egret
Hm... Sounds like PsiSyn sent his guys over. Now we can see how this Twitch community that all the streamers brought into Arma really is
mint edge
@dull moon hes not online atm its currently lawless
vocal quiver
assuming things like that is nice, i have no idea who william is
echo orchid
lol, the cesspit got together, how nice
proper charm
Sigh can we get back on topic?
vocal quiver
can you guys leave
dull moon
aparently not
echo orchid
nope, typical behaviour
soft egret
@proper charm Guess we'll have to wait till fer is there
tawny sentinel
@vocal quiver Someone obviously brought them in in the first place.
proper charm
@soft egret by the way, opposition is still using ripped assets, right?
tawny sentinel
I'm sure
dull moon
i assume smb is pissed that he got a beating here, crying to is fellow folks about it who swore to get revenge............
tawny sentinel
And you just decided to hop into this channel
echo orchid
😄
echo orchid
the little bois gonna get spanked, don't really wanna be in @fossil basalt shoes
dull moon
@echo orchid
tag me pls once the hammer did his job. i'm out
echo orchid
also @pliant oar can i get you to mop these kiddies out of here
tawny sentinel
Psisyn kiddies*
dull moon
true
echo orchid
everyone is so tough on the internets
rustic venture
I stopped playing Arma 3.
tawny sentinel
You just happened to stumble in here.
echo orchid
@dull moon can't be bothered to stick around that much
dull moon
too bad, thx anyway 😄
echo orchid
not even for the 🍿
tawny sentinel
This makes me miss when you were talking about drainage pipes and construction @echo orchid
dull moon
😂
echo orchid
oh yeah, pretty much what it turned into
tawny sentinel
It was a higher quality discussion then this
vocal quiver
can u get out of here
mental edge
well in the meanwhile, blocking is an option still 🤷🏿
vocal quiver
no
mental edge
Yeah but still, skipped over at least 20 useless messages.
tawny sentinel
Why would you invite these people here? Why do you keep digging your grave even deeper, including trying to raid the game you monetize your server on, official discord servers? @vocal quiver
echo orchid
and then you wonder why there is such a disgust about certain type of gamemods and everything associated with it
vocal quiver
im just trying to get bullied in peace here and you guys have to join
halcyon quest
I can confirm wasn't invited by repentz
echo orchid
don't bother, someone will surely use the mop eventually
carmine folio
Its kinda childish arguing about gamemodes and server types....
dull moon
bullied
what...?
vocal quiver
@tawny sentinel get your facts straight, lewis is streaming map development and some skids heard us mention this discord when discussing what we were talking about
earnest bison
Repentz invited me
sinful osprey
PsiSyn a developer? lmao
vocal quiver
now the cancer shows up and yeah i think its mainly from our community but we never asked them to come
earnest bison
Cancer ouch
soft egret
Where would they come from then ^^
tawny sentinel
@vocal quiver Keep digging that hole deeper. I'm sure Dwarden is gonna appreciate it when he has to handle your monetization reports about you undeniably using mods without permission.
lunar vault
You were talking earlier about your wellbeing? Why would you willingly associate in any way with those kinds of people?
proper charm
sigh
vocal quiver
@soft egret get your facts straight, lewis is streaming map development and some skids heard us mention this discord when discussing what we were talking about
snow bloom
Woweee the psisyn community certainly lives up to its rep!
lunar vault
ded lewis is psisyn btw
soft egret
So a guy from your server was streaming and viewers heard you. And now the viewers come here to troll. And these viewers from that guy dev'ing for your server are 100% not your community nor here because of you?
echo orchid
doesn't matter ^^
carmine folio
Repentz is responsible nor is Lewis for people being here
vocal quiver
i just said they were from the stream @soft egret god man
echo orchid
it shows quite well where the level is
soft egret
Correct. Just paints a picture of the community that's standing behind there.
carmine folio
Last time I checked people have free will and make there own decision
vocal quiver
obviously they're from the community if they are watching the stream
the point is i never 'asked' them to join
earnest bison
Also 12 year olds
echo orchid
neah, the age thing also doesn't matter
dull moon
we are running in circles..................................................................
tawny sentinel
"Man discovered digging deepest hole ever made, more at 11" @echo orchid
vocal quiver
i know dedmen I'm fully aware what the community is
carmine folio
Who cares about the communities attitude outside the server as long as they behave and follow rules ingame and have fun who cares what else they do
proper charm
If it's from your community, you're in extension, responsible for it.
vocal quiver
lmao
soft egret
@dull moon thought you wanted to go? ^^
vocal quiver
??
echo orchid
i can't be wasting more time here, if anyone is still about when either @cold pasture or @fossil basalt brings the mop out, please indeed ping me, just because
cinder ridge
@carmine folio cause they dont follow the rules here
blazing wyvern
we should stop making mods 😛
vocal quiver
are you twitch now or something?
fresh harbor
What’s the link to that stream?
dull moon
@soft egret
hard to do when taking a shit and the phone goes crazy with notifications
carmine folio
@cinder ridge Well then ban them why have a go at Repentz like he do anything about there actions
narrow topaz
Well this was certainly something to wake up to
vocal quiver
thats the most faulted logic i've heard in the past month @proper charm
cinder ridge
If I could I would, mods have been tagged multiple times though are not online it seems @carmine folio
soft egret
@narrow topaz you missed the start about 8 hours ago though right?
carmine folio
dank memes indeed
@cinder ridge Still having a go at people for other peoples actions seem's like flawed logic
narrow topaz
@soft egret Just finished catching up. Took most of my cup of coffee to do so
dull moon
HEY GUYS... the trolls are gone, move on tho the real topic FFS
cinder ridge
@carmine folio you missed the whole conversation that took place before it seems, its less about specific people and more about specific groups of people.
echo orchid
maybe @wild stone is about to take the trash out though
carmine folio
What has the specific groups of people done
river spear
@narrow topaz Better chuck some Vodka aswell if you want to continue reading :D
cinder ridge
You know what channel you are in? Now guess.
vocal quiver
what the loop of you guys telling me im going to end up in Guantanamo and me saying i only care slightly
snow bloom
@echo orchid I'm hoping so
languid fog
Is Pepe still talking shit? I swear I looked at this channel like 12 hours ago and it was still going then haha
dull moon
pepe?
vocal quiver
I'm quite sure you started this by saying you wanted to kill our community
carmine folio
@carmine folio they just want to protect something they've put so many hours into
tawny sentinel
you started this
carmine folio
He wanted to kill the community?
tawny sentinel
Oh no you don't
YOU started this by taking his mod and then not caring about the license
dull moon
oh FFS kids.........
tawny sentinel
Nobody forced you to do that
soft egret
You came here because I reported you. Which I did because you ignored rules. You even openly said that you didn't read them and didn't read ^^ So don't push your ignorance on me again. We are getting back to the same talk we had 8 hours ago
vocal quiver
form a posy and publicly talk shit about our community or follow the proper procedure and report our infringing mods?
soft egret
both. And it seems like I said the truth if you just look at "your" community from 10 minutes ago
proper charm
wait, really? 8 bloody hours? Jeezus...
vocal quiver
you lost any sort of respect from myself regarding your mods when you decided to say what you did in here before i had joined
dull moon
i have the perfect video/soundtrack for this convo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmUGe8KDdGI
tawny sentinel
I'm sure he's heartbroken Repentz
soft egret
😢
carmine folio
@soft egret Are you cunted in the head or just cant read he never sent anyone here or condones there actions not that he should have to say that
snow bloom
@dull moon Beautiful - Seriously quite appropriate
soft egret
@willow belfry maybe? Would be nice to get rid of the dozen trolls to get back to normal conversations again
carmine folio
Ya bois going round and round in circles again, @vocal quiver should just ask all the mod authors for approval or remove the mods and if the mod authors believe their mods are being used wrongly then report. Simple as that, I don't see why insults need to be thrown or what there is to debate, the rules are quite clear.
vocal quiver
no fini, the deal is i either remove every single mod i have right now, or ill end up in prison
carmine folio
Why not speak on teamspeak instead of chatting shit in Discord since this seems anti-productive
vocal quiver
apparently
carmine folio
IN PRISON?
vocal quiver
yes prison
echo orchid
overexagerating much
quaint spade
👮
carmine folio
Copy right law is civil not criminal
echo orchid
you can be held in court of damages
mental edge
Yeah, only financial butthurt... nothing serious
vocal quiver
i mean armatec already tried that but he couldn't afford a lawyer or some shit
thats what i heard
soft egret
He can't afford a lawyer. That means we can continue breaking law all we want! /s
carmine folio
Armatec probably went to lawyer and they said he was stupid
blazing wyvern
profit!
vocal quiver
no it means he was bluffing about his content which he didn't actually make and falsely flagged a video regardless
tawny sentinel
Wow
vocal quiver
we have all the devs who made his content working for us now because they know how much of a whatever he is
carmine folio
He never created the content nor did he make the creators transfer ownership therefore he doesn't own it
tawny sentinel
In depth understanding of copyright law right there
echo orchid
^^
carmine folio
Read copyright law
soft egret
@tawny sentinel did you read chat of that armatec copyright strike stream? ^^ Man.. That was some really distant stuff in there.
distant from actual law that is
vocal quiver
trying to copywrite strike and take someone to court over content you had nothing to do with? priceless
no i respect RHS
snow bloom
So you don't respect the hard work of others?
cinder ridge
Oh so you respect RHS but other s not?
mental edge
Well, it helps having an entity behind it @echo orchid . Court credits go up a notch.
vocal quiver
ofcourse i do
blazing wyvern
lol
snow bloom
Is that what you're saying?
vocal quiver
i haven't received any emails about content i must remove or change yet so i can't do anything
soft egret
Or what else do you think? He just ignored all these authors telling them to remove their mods.. Because he respects them so much?
blazing wyvern
lets copy others work , that i dont care , profit
snow bloom
I swear, when you think it's about to end some tube gives it another stir 😂
carmine folio
Dedmen you haven't answered my pressing query
echo orchid
i'm out, this went to circlejerk for the nth time
snow bloom
^^
soft egret
Me too. I'll leave now and get home.. I hope it's silent here when I arrive...
carmine folio
@soft egret Come on bro answer my pressing query
steep quiver
Jeez, he's still on about how he can't remove mods that he's using without permission until their authors catch him? Like a broken record, really.
vocal quiver
honestly glad a4 wasn't announced
blazing wyvern
🤑
pliant oar
@echo orchid @soft egret @cold pasture @tawny sentinel @faint nacelle i'm still reading (aka many pages in the past)
soft egret
Need a new cup of coffee? ^^ One sure isn't enough
carmine folio
@pliant oar You will be reading for a while
blazing wyvern
all those wankers use those , because fuck the rules 😛
carmine folio
in all these messaged Dedmen has not answered my question which upsets me
blazing wyvern
stop being triggered frank
pliant oar
@ebon locust congrats you the first who won the 
jackpot
carmine folio
rip
tawny sentinel
One of many.
vocal quiver
monka s
mental edge
sdr 16:03-16:43
carmine folio
hope I dont win
echo orchid
@pliant oar i can please be upgraded to moderator then, will take the trash out myself. pretty sure most here will agree with such a wise decission 😃
tawny sentinel
@echo orchid Agreed.
dull moon
@echo orchid @pliant oar
I's say yes
cinder ridge
#MakePuFuAMod
blazing wyvern
@echo orchid who then will clean steam workshop crap? ey? 😛
mental edge
Can confirm @echo orchid is a good moderator, he goes on ecologic beachtrips to gather washed up ocean trash and take care of baby seals. Goodhearted man
chilly pebble
Can also confirm. He got my cat out from a tree.
carmine folio
😃
soft egret
I do. You just don't know how much I can hate people 😄
mental edge
😂
carmine folio
Ye @pliant oar how does that make sense
vocal quiver
monkey s
carmine folio
He can still own IP you never know
tawny sentinel
Well thank you for bringing all these wonderful people here Repentz
carmine folio
What people?
vocal quiver
flying i already explained what happened, please stop accusing me of doing something malicious
carmine folio
Didn't realise repentz has to invite all these poeple.....
Free will doesn't exist in that mans head.......
tawny sentinel
I just accidentally mentioned this discord
low scaffold
@carmine folio How's DankHax coming along?
carmine folio
#TakingMoneyFromPayingCustomersIsNotWrong
He didn't ask people to come here
i am not with Blair Roger @carmine folio
i mean repentz
sorry
Marshal
sorry
😄
dull moon
#TakingMoneyFromPayingCustomersIsNotWrong
that's what also the hooker said.....
carmine folio
Such a millennial logic somebody else is responsible for another persons actions
vocal quiver
you understand that lewis and i have been involved in conversation here for awhile? me mentioning it to lewis is a crime because a couple people decided to join when they heard it on stream?
carmine folio
@tawny sentinel Who is your master
vocal quiver
i mean, you want me to take you seriously and all that but i just can't when you do things like accuse me of stuff like that
carmine folio
Because I overheard him mentioning this....
pliant oar
kids, you do realize i'm busy trying to get you new profiling with fix for that performance-sound leak issue
vocal quiver
sorry sir
pliant oar
and you troll there about someone failing to respect IP rights
blazing wyvern
dwarden lock it 😄
willow star
lock em up
carmine folio
to be fair this chat makes no sense
#ModAuthorsRoasted 
just seems lieka ground for cuck fighting
Fini is a furry
:S
No he is just stupid xD
dull moon
@carmine folio
if you think this chat/channel makes no sence, i guess you are here not long enough
carmine folio
Well no I get it but
tawny sentinel
If you're doing work atm Dwarden, I'm sure PuFu wouldn't mind cleaning up the mess since he's been following it for a while.
carmine folio
Y'know most people here don't seem capable of a civil conversation
echo orchid
what you don't seem to get, that there is little to talkj about IP rights
dull moon
it'S hard to keep a cool mind if violators deny the facts
echo orchid
there is no middle ground, not matter how much some of you might wanna get it into the grey area
carmine folio
Just need the high ground
dull moon
and we have it
blazing wyvern
i think somebody is just trolling
carmine folio
Who me?
echo orchid
question: are you using mods that you have neither IP rights for, neither written permission to use on a monetized server
answers :
a. yes - then you are breaching BIs and individual author EULA - you need to clean them up, there is no - but i have yet to receive any e-mail or notifications about it
b. no - there is no issue with monetizing vanilla as long as you follow the rules imposed
proper charm
I thought it's normal human decency to ask permission to use someone's content and abide if said content owner declines.
carmine folio
Whats the argument here
cinder ridge
If only...
carmine folio
as much as Repentz may be wrong for using the mod
Ya bois just keep repeating the same thing instead of trying to come up with a solution
proper charm
@cinder ridge then we wouldn't need this channel.
carmine folio
is the content owner not wrong for maliciously saying he will destroy a community
cinder ridge
Yeah and life would be so much better I suppose @proper charm
dull moon
@carmine folio
i've sent him a solution, no answer at all
opaque sage
This is so funny
echo orchid
it malicious? maybe, is it against the damn license? nope
dull moon
- Delete the modpack
- build a mission based on the original framework WITHOUT mods
- once done, add mods BUT DO NOT PACK IT IN A MODPACK but create mod collections on steam
- ask EVERY MOD AUTOR for permission and save the convo for later use if needed```^
vocal quiver
umm can we just agree to disagree on this and ya?
dull moon
no
echo orchid
that's actually a flop, point 3 and 4 should be reversed
cinder ridge
And why should anyone with common sense disagree on that?
echo orchid
ask first, use a collection only if such permission is given
low scaffold
imagine stealing mods, damn petty criminal
carmine folio
Wait whats Repentz disagreeing with?
echo orchid
@dull moon
dull moon
@echo orchid
true
proper charm
No. How the fuck is making a mod collection is harder than a modpack?
echo orchid
edit it noe
proper charm
Just save it to a goddman collection and spread it
dull moon
i actually vorgot the point of monetization
vocal quiver
I'm not disagreeing with anything here, I'm simply saying telling me I'm a bad person won't do anything
carmine folio
Thats kinda true
dull moon
- Delete the modpack
- build a mission based on the original framework WITHOUT mods
- once done, add mods BUT DO NOT PACK IT IN A MODPACK but create mod collections on steam
- if you monetize, ask EVERY MOD AUTOR for permission first and save the convo for later use if needed```better?
carmine folio
echo orchid
@dull moon screw your half baked solutions then 😃
carmine folio
Insulting someone achieves very little apart from spilling egg on your face
dull moon
good, now shuddup 😄
echo orchid
the problem being some of the most ripped shit from other games used in most of these |modpacks|
will be removed from steam in a giffy
dull moon
@vocal quiver
but tbh, what reaction do you expect if none of your devs ever read the rules/faq/licenses?
echo orchid
example, that KA stuff and all the forza models as well
vocal quiver
a formal one maybe
vocal quiver
not yet
echo orchid
will happen, at least in regards to MELB
dull moon
or you just do as i suggested
willow star
@echo orchid A C&D would be more formal, but I'm not sure if that is what he wants
proper charm
So you're waiting until you're royally fucked? Oh well.
vocal quiver
are you karel
dull moon
¯_(ツ)_/¯
proper charm
But you can't do what chris lutz put on his points?
echo orchid
@willow star yeah that is true, that usually solves most issues, at least from my experience
dull moon
what's a C&D again?
proper charm
Cease and desist
vocal quiver
cease
dull moon
ah... silly my
proper charm
Aka the "you're fucked now, son" letter
echo orchid
you still have more to learn yound padawan
languid fog
Pepe still talking shit haha
dull moon
sorry, it's a little different called in germany 😉
carmine folio
PuFu you a star wars fan?
vocal quiver
honestly, I've been around arma so long i don't really care, I'll comply with bohemia and if it's not possible then simply move on
carmine folio
@languid fog Your dead shhhhhh xD
dull moon
"abmahnung" or "unterlassungsklage"
languid fog
Spoilers mate!
dull moon
@vocal quiver
you could safe yourselfe a lot of trouble...
languid fog
Crikey
vocal quiver
I'm all about it chris
blazing wyvern
how long exactly?
vocal quiver
how do you expect me to contact a mod creator who doesn't even use steam or play arma any more
dull moon
case closed
carmine folio
Why do you hate lifers?
dull moon
no contact, no mod to monetize
vocal quiver
you think i just use public mods from the workshop or something
carmine folio
Dude RP can be fun sometimes and so can Milsim
languid fog
"I havent heard from this car owner in a long time, means I can steal it right?"
carmine folio
Thats individuals don't slate them all
mental edge
Actually, some in here are "lifers" and not hated. It's a specific portion of "lifers" that apply here.
safe arrow
He also stole a lot more recent mod, whos devs are still around in the BI forums and here. So its bullshit, as he not even tried...
carmine folio
Im a lifer dont hate me pl0x