other-games

[tidal osprey]

I have had terrible connection problems with LE. Only gotten to level 28 or so and have had multiple 10+ minute loading screens. But it's alright. I'll just let it rest until they get it fixed. I have already played a bunch on EA.
I do have to say the Warlock class is insanely fun to play.

[tepid wadi]

My favorite thing about LE is that it really enables my alt-itis. Ive currently got a druid, runemaster, falconer and void knight that I like. Plus a beastmaster and sorcerer build that I want to get some uniques/sets before I embark on them.

[lapis drift]

Bro i wanna play enshrouded😭

[short sail]

Bro, you're allowed to play Enshrouded.

[robust quest]

I agree, I tried Nightingale, I was not impressed at all.

[unreal vessel]

The game released way too early

[void glacier]

ikr. was watching a friend stream nightingale last night and the combat was the jankiest I've ever seen.

[sharp ether]

Yeah, the AI is so bad for it too, being able to dodge 3-4 mobs attacking from different angles and take them out with a knife while taking no damage is amusing, but gets boring fast.

The stamina limit was the only real limiting factor, and it's so easy to dodge that I used that time to get it back so I could stab again.

[candid quiver]

My worry with Nightingale is that it will lack.. stuff.
Proc-gen is a cool beast but it needs alot of variation in poi's and even more generation inside them to not become dull quick. And then they also need to have it be coherent and have a point - its a hard balance unless ur making minecraft.

(Typo)

[sharp ether]

True. I even saw the same POI I had on my abeyance isle in a video of the game and he's much further along and had the exact same POI.

[candid quiver]

When you get to that point where it is like "Ah, its another Temple-Template B"

"Oh, rock outcrop 3 and bundle of palm trees 2 next to eachoter"

Minecraft on the other hand had it as a premise from the getgo and has had like so many years to add and re-iterate on procgen

[scarlet idol]

Where can I find it?

[candid quiver]

In Enshrouded and not in any Other Games i bet ^^

[candid quiver]

https://discord.com/channels/1046840540550942720/1154438517674487821

[timber prism]

I am experiencing this atm haha

i was tryna spend 1 day playing this game but can't seem to connect

[tidal osprey]

Yeah. I gave up today and just ended up playing a bunch of Granblue Fantasy Relink.

[timber prism]

I guess back to Helldivers XD

[sharp ether]

PVZ:GW ( the original one) is 10 years old, only have 330 hours in it, as opposed to 3200 in GW2, but it's good to see the YouTubers celebrating the original. Of course, EA made BfN and messed it all up, and then wondered why it sold barely 1 million copies as opposed to 10 million plus for the GW games. Leave it to EA to not even do greed right.

[timber prism]

https://youtu.be/cgCZ-MHyOpU?si=LR87Ec_5gG2pLh1O

[sullen garden]

Have you seen videos of the process of boarding an opposing ship in this game? It's kinda pathetic - they just do a mini cutscene instead of any actual gameplay for the boarding process

[timber prism]

i lived it

i played the beta XD

[sullen garden]

Which is weird becuase Assassin's Creed: Black Flag is also Ubisoft and had a pretty good, well fleshed-out mechanism for boarding

[frank bear]

Anyone play minecraft?

[sharp ether]

Yep

[frank bear]

Nice. What game mode.

?

[sharp ether]

Varies really, mostly modded solo stuff these days.

[candid quiver]

I usually play survival, it feels like more rewarding gameplay to make grand journeys to get certain blocks and materials ^^

[sharp ether]

Yeah Survival.

[tepid wadi]

Definitely survival, creative always feels too much like I didn't "earn" the builds.

[frank bear]

Nice

Same here I do survival stuff

It's my favourite game other than enshrouded

[lofty verge]

What is LE Zerax? And hi

[hollow barn]

Last Epoch

[lofty verge]

Thank you my child

[mental osprey]

You have to find the hunter's loom in East Lapis before you can make the leather required to produce padding.

[upbeat olive]

anyone tried Nighingale? 🤣

[tepid wadi]

Yep. I think there's a good game in there, but it need some more time to cook before it reaches its potential.

[upbeat olive]

need years to cook lol

has no content as loop, soooooooooo much padding

[tepid wadi]

Nah, I don't think it's that bad. I could see the game being pretty fun in a 6-8 month timeline if they know what they're doing.

[upbeat olive]

how? u tried to craft anything?

did u see that the base blocks have nothing to do with victorian style?

to me feels like a generic UE5 map with Landmass and Skybox

Valehei, Grounded, Sons of the Forest are wats the standard of delivery should be for EA

[tepid wadi]

Well for crafting for example, the idea of different items giving you different stats is an interesting one, but they need to lean into the degradation of items and make it so you don't just craft one piece of gear and then are done with the tier.

[upbeat olive]

ye im not in denial anymore with games

bad is bad

and thats quite bad at that price range

cards system is coold if works

but thats all about it

[tepid wadi]

We'll have to see what they do with it from here. I think it's got potential to be good.

[upbeat olive]

base building is soooo bad and obsolete

Like Enshrouded has style, love and depth

everything is cohesive

give a look to that game....workbenches have nothing to do with the victorian style...it takes a quick google search to verify

[tepid wadi]

The card system is cool, the crafting idea is cool, the exploration is cool. They just need to stretch it out in a way that works for the genre they're trying to hit. It doesn't nail the feel/draw for exploration like it wants to.

[upbeat olive]

no gingerbread design?

[tepid wadi]

I don't mind starting from crude structures and advancing to more thematic ones, but the timeline to get there has to be right.

[upbeat olive]

is not that the point

they have nothing to do with victorian style

is visive and visible and cannot be denied lol

no 1 piece of base have a quirl or a twist

anyway rant over lol

[full ginkgo]

I don't know... the game is gorgeous, and I like some of the ideas... on paper they're really cool, but as I play through the early access... I feel like I'm working a second job.

Enshrouded has this... idk.. youthful fun to it. There is grind, but every game has grind, the trick of it is to make it fun, and Enshrouded did that really well. I was enthralled by the game, and I didn't feel like my time was being wasted. I felt like I was adequately rewarded for the time I invested, with the exception of stick and feather farming, of course. 😂

While I'm very impressed by the worlds, the interesting take on crafting, and the realm system in Nightingale... it's not... fun.. I feel more frustration than I do elation, and I'm still trying to put my finger on why exactly that is. The balance of time invested and reward is off, imo, leaving the player feeling like they're on a hamster wheel or just spinning their wheels in place.

[hearty current]

Yeah, I think all the missing systems/ui/icons really makes the game feel "not fun"

[full ginkgo]

So much potential... SO MUCH... but it really does feel like a slog once you get past the gorgeous veneer. The more I play, the more I respect what they're trying to do, but dang... it needs some QoL updates badly.

[hearty current]

They already delayed a few times. It gets difficult when the business side comes a knockin' says we cannot wait any longer to bring in revenue.

[full ginkgo]

Absolutely. I think it was wise for them to go ahead and move into early access. They really couldn't delay any longer.

And I don't feel like I wasted my money supporting the early access. I just think it's going to need a lot of TLC and QoL updates before its appreciated for the unique take on the survival genre that it provides.

[tepid wadi]

Yeah I think they'll be able to turn it into a great game, it's just going to be a little rough out the gate because you only get one first impression.

[flint shoal]

I'm cautously optimistic about Nightingale. I really like the aesthetics they're going for but haven't picked it up yet. I'll likely hold off until their always online shenanigans are dealt with and we have more word on weather we'll actually get dedicated server support or not. If we don't get dedicated server support eventually I'll likely end up skipping it.

[tepid wadi]

Their choice to make it an always online, effectively live service game is sure a baffling one.

[flint shoal]

If it's always online, they can sell you cosmetics

[tepid wadi]

If there are MMO-elements where you could encounter other travelers when exploring the worlds? Then it would be pretty cool and totally make sense.

Like imagine if the realms generated were kind of like Cycle: Frontier maps, where they had a lifetime and people would join and leave as they did their gathering and exploring and stuff. Then you'd cross paths with people all the time and it could be neat.

[flint shoal]

I just don't want them to have to have a continuous upkeep cost with keeping the multiplayer aspect of the game alive.

[full ginkgo]

Unfortunately, that's true, and it has garnered a very negative impression from a lot of players. The intro really isn't balanced well. They force a kind of sloggy introduction, which is characteristic of many survival games, but just because it has been done a lot doesn't mean it's necessarily a good thing.

I still think one of the smartest balance moves Enshrouded did was provide basic tools early on to make movement and exploration fun. Granting us the ability to craft a basic glider and grappling hook early on made exploration so much more fun than it otherwise would have been.

[full ginkgo]

Hold off a little longer. It has promise, but... it's pretty rough in the Realms right now. 😅

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, enshrouded's basic starting time is pretty good, especially now that they moved the initial magic chests to even earlier instead of needing the carpenter.

[finite saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-star-wars-memories-name-ben-kenobi-gif-4100026

[tepid wadi]

Lol I knew that would summon you

[flint shoal]

I'm definitely holding off at the very least until the offline play option they talked about recently exists but more likely holding off until they either add dedicated server support or say it's never coming. If they say it's never coming I'll probably just skip entirely.

[tepid wadi]

The thing that makes my brain quirk is that right now it doesn't feel like there's any reason to have it all on their hosted servers. Like what's the benefit to the game right now?

[full ginkgo]

They will be adding offline play, they did make an announcement about that.

[flint shoal]

yeah, I saw that announcement. It's a good start but I'm more interested in self hosting the server

[flint shoal]

to hear them tell it, it's so they can gather data more easily. Which I guess, sure fine but my cynical brain says it's so they can more easily monetize things down the road.

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, players don't care about that though 😝 They need to sell it to us to make us care. Like if it had any tangible benefit to the players, people wouldn't be nearly as upset about it.

they'd be like "oh I wish I could host my own server or play offline, but at least this way I can experience the realmwalking as intended and it's important that we're all part of a living world."

[flint shoal]

I've seen some people arguing that only their super special magic servers can handle the realm generation and stuff. But you're right, they def need to sell it to us.

[full ginkgo]

"super special magic servers" bahahahaha You're awesome Liu, ty for the laugh. rofl

[tepid wadi]

Give us server projects, where all players are contributing to wayfinding towards nightingale or something, with unlocks that happen as the servers meet certain goals. Even if it's just a placebo for the most part, it would give us a reason to be online.

[flint shoal]

TBH, I don't tend to play these types of games by myself but I also don't want to be beholden to them for my online play.

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, but if there was a clear reason for the online play, you'd at least be able to look at it and understand why it's required. Even if your preference runs differently. Right now that just... isn't a thing.

[full ginkgo]

I like options, even if I'm not going to utilize the options, but they need to make sense, and in this case they just don't... at least not yet.

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, that's why it strikes me that so many people are upset and/or waiting

[finite saffron]

I haven't gotten around to playing Nightingale yet, but sometimes there can be unintuitive reasons for this. For example anti-cheat. Idk everything about that game tbh.

Another frankly very common reason is monetization, as if games are moddable or can be cheesed offline a lot of monetization can fundamentally kinda just... Fall apart. A lot harder to sell expansions or cosmetics or whatever if people can just go offline and hack them into their game client for free.

[full ginkgo]

That being said... I do think this weather system is pretty cool. The first time I was pelted with hail and had to run for cover I literally thought, "OMG, I hope Enshrouded adds weather like this at some point."

Not even sure that's possible, but that is one of the things about Nightingale I do very much enjoy. Though that poison swamp water can suck it. We have The Shroud anyway, which is pretty much the same thing as swamp water but on steroids.

[finite saffron]

Oh looking online it looks like they're planning to add an offline mode though, so maybe it's just because they wanted to get the main branch stable for release.

[full ginkgo]

That was what their CM said, that it was online only for stability and troubleshooting reasons.

I hope that's actually the reason and it's not a monetization thing. I prefer games without crazy cash shops.

(Mostly because I have no self control and I will buy that stupid fluffy lion of doom.) 😂 🤣

[finite saffron]

Wouldn't entirely be an excuse, that does make sense. Especially if they had tight deadlines (which, given their many delays, they probably did).

[flint shoal]

Yeah, I'm a little less concerned about potential cash shop/monetization things since it looks like they are planning on adding an offline mode.

[finite saffron]

https://youtu.be/piDLsKXvcKg?si=XWMNj4uriF2zz-EU&t=172 also found this from a year ago, so looks like their intention was to circumvent the issue this genre tends to have of players needing to figure out server hosting, by just having that hosting baked into the base game.

So yeah looks like they didn't necessarily have bad intentions.

And honestly that's not the worst idea, launch issues kinda created problems for them though. But it is a big issue in this genre, a lot of players unfamiliar with survival games get very confused with things like dedicated server hosting.

[flint shoal]

I'm just worried that if they're the only option for hosting how do they keep up with that cost without some form of recurring income from people utilizing it?

[finite saffron]

Not that unusual actually, plenty of coop games that are purely hosted by the developers and do just fine. Main difference is scale. Server hosting tends to become a lot more feasible the bigger a project is, if that makes sense.

If you can afford the engineers and infrastructure to support the servers for your game it's generally more profitable than relying on player hosted dedi servers. Simply because you're opening your game up to a much more casual and widespread audience (more potential $$$)

For example helldivers 2, destiny, warframe, ARPGs, mmos, etc.

And I think their studio is fairly big? At least google tells me they're 150ish employees

[flint shoal]

That's fair I suppose. I'm not a developer and don't work in that industry/scene so that makes sense.

A lot of those games you mentioned do have cash shops though which I don't really want in my survival/crafting adventure game personally.

[finite saffron]

Yeah I mean that's usually the nature of a lot of bigger studio projects these days. No clue what Nightingale is planning, but it wouldn't be outside the norm if they did that.

[flint shoal]

I feel like that old man yells at cloud meme these days

[full ginkgo]

It honestly never even occurred to me that a cash shop would be in Nightingale. I don't believe they have said anything about cash shops, though, with how The Watch is laid out, there is vendor space for it, but I guess I just assumed those clearly vacant vendor spots would be for future content.

You've given me something to ponder!

[flint shoal]

It was a combination of things that made me think of it. Their always online setup with only their servers available, their relationship with tencent combined with a recent interview the CEO did with Rock Paper Shotgun that I may have interpreted poorly where the CEO kept bringing up GTA V and Fortnite. Discussion about the article here: #other-games message

[candid quiver]

Single player games ftw, as far as im concerned.
(Or otherwise having it an option without engaging in online, mtx, economy, trolls) ^^

[full ginkgo]

:winces:
Maaaaaaan. I hope it's just a coincidence. lol I don't want a Conan Exiles repeat. 😂 They monetized and the official servers became a lag fest, and the bugs are so bad now I stopped playing. >.<

But I like to play with my friends, Ellis!!!! 😂 🤣

[finite saffron]

As a developer I don't really interpret his fortnite/gta stuff that way. Sounds like he's describing the very really effect those kind of games have had on the market, in the sense that they have become people's "only" games in a sense.

The mega successful live service games like those have an ability to pull players into them, and never let them go for literally years. In particular this has made it almost impossible for certain genres of game to be successful these days, main ones being MMORPGs and competitive FPS games. The existing giants in those genres are so well established that there is effectively no room for anyone else, so all those projects are very consistently dying quick deaths.

Idk if I agree with him that it has such a big impact on the entire industry though. I don't really see how the success of Fortnite or GTA has much noticable impact on a survival game tbh.

[flint shoal]

That's totally fair and likely a better interpretation than mine was. I've only ever gotten sucked into one live service game and I did end up putting like 2700 hours (and a lot of $$$$) into it over the course of about a year but it completely burned me out of those types of games/experiences to where I'm pretty gun shy about it these days.

[full ginkgo]

GTA is terrible, I don't really understand how that's so wildly popular... now Red Dead Online... THAT was fun, but they dropped it like a hot potato.

[finite saffron]

"Shark cards" were insanely profitable, which funded the development of a massive amount of consistent updates, which encouraged people to buy more "shark cards"

And thus Rockstar discovered an infinite money glitch

[flint shoal]

rosebud

[full ginkgo]

I love how you coined it an "infinite money glitch." 😂

[flint shoal]

They're not wrong

[finite saffron]

I mean when a single game makes over 8 billion dollars it might as well be lol

[full ginkgo]

Not at all wrong, and that's what makes it so dang funny.

[tepid wadi]

Providing your players with the service you promised them encourages them to spend money to continue to receive that service? 🤔 Seems sus

When do you milk them for all they're worth and make them hate you?

[flint shoal]

That's the thing, you can do both of those things and still get all their money (from what I've seen at least)

once you get big enough

[finite saffron]

Well considering the shark cards were effectively just progression skips (buy in-game cash for real life cash), it quickly incentivized them to make comically long grinds. To the point where if you weren't buying them you'd be spending hundreds of hours grinding the same missions over and over to get like... A car that flies or whatever.

Was basically just mobile game monetization tbh but people loved the game so much they got away with it

[tepid wadi]

Well, as far as I'm aware, that sort of progression skip also didn't negatively impact other players, which is important

[candid quiver]

"Making comically long grinds" = impacting the other players

[full ginkgo]

Idk, if we're still talking about GTA, my entire GTA experience was a negative impact. Either other players were negatively impacting me or I was negatively impacting them while enacting vengeance. 😂 🤣

(I know that's not REALLY what you were talking about, but that popped into my head anyway lol.)

[tepid wadi]

Was the real money a negative impact, or just the style of the game?

I feel like as long as you can separate those things, it can still be good 🤷‍♀️

[finite saffron]

Before they had any anti-cheat when the game first released on PC I may or may not have just modded myself near infinite sums of money so the shark cards had no power over me

Allegedly

[candid quiver]

As a woman, ive a hard time with boys-club rockstar games to be honest.
Vice city was my last gta

[flint shoal]

I've never been interested in GTA in general. I played some of one of them iirc. I did play saints row 3 though

[full ginkgo]

To be fair, I would say gameplay. I mean, they gunned me down unprovoked with their monetized fancy weapons, but I think it would have happened regardless of whether they had confetti shooting bazookas of doom (exaggeration) or just a normal potato gun. 😂

[tepid wadi]

Yeah thats the thing. If the real money isn't a driver of negative impact on other players, then it's likely not going to upset too many people.

[full ginkgo]

Red Dead Online was really good... and I don't even like Westerns.

[tepid wadi]

My GTA experience is also pretty limited though, so I don't know for sure.

[finite saffron]

It's pseudo pay to win, and it did encourage them to make a lot of their stuff intentionally tedious/grindy (less fun). But yeah it overall wasn't like, horribly despised or anything.

[tepid wadi]

yeah I feel like pay-to-progress is generally fine by the general community as long as it isn't a thing right out the gate. Like 1-2 years down the line? No one is gonna chomp that too hard usually.

[finite saffron]

Well Gta V does have a fair bit of pvp to it, though it seems like these days most players play it for the coop modes

[full ginkgo]

Idk Toast, my red headed street walker didn't even make it a block from her house before she was gunned downed. 😂 I ended up refunding because I couldn't make it to the quest npc. Maybe my leopard print top offended them? 🤷‍♀️

Although, I was able to outwit one guy who had terrible aim by climbing a building, losing the heck out of him via corners, jumping down into the street near his car, and stealing it so I could get away. (I was new, so I couldn't figure out how to summon my own car, so I just stole his to get away. lol)

That was the only fun part, though. The rest of it was players just shooting it out in the street like thugs. Which was kind of amusing if you were in spectator, I will admit, but not what I was personally looking for.

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, people in online PvP games are gremlins of the highest order.

[prime burrow]

im thinking about buying helldivers 2, looks like a pretty good

[flint shoal]

I'll probably pick it up at some point. Need to do more research on the anticheat they chose to use.

[finite saffron]

If you don't take issue with any other anti-cheats like battleye or EAC, then it's fine. It's the same as all the others effectively.

And in general the security risk of anti-cheats is severely blown out of proportion by people that frankly don't know what they're talking about, speaking as someone who used to work on anti-cheat. Kernel access is not required to do the things people are scared of, most softwares on your PC are capable of the same security risks.

But yeah it's not an always on anti-cheat or anything. It's a standard kernel level anticheat that runs while the game is open, I don't know as much about it as I do BE/EAC but from what I can tell it works in functionally the exact same way.

[flint shoal]

I just remember hearing in passing about some nprotect/gameguard issue that happened previously that I wanted to research more.

Most of the complaints I can find about it that have sources attached seem to be from a decade ago or more so I agree that it's likely blown way out of proportion

I just wanted to do more research since I saw people talking about it

[finite saffron]

Yeah I did too, but investigating I didn't find anything even remotely out of the ordinary. It's historically not been on games that had a lot of success cheaters wise, however that's not always due to the anti-cheat. There's a lot more than goes into anti-cheat behind the scenes besides just what software you slap onto your game.

Tbh most of the complaints I've heard have just been the usual "kernel level bad" things that you hear about every anti-cheat, which to be blunt mostly stems from ignorance of how these softwares actually work, or how software in general works. If you're worried about things like your data, privacy, etc etc. Well any ol software that runs and monitors can have those some risks. It doesn't need to be anti-cheat and it doesn't need to be kernel level for those to be security concerns.

[flint shoal]

Yeah, I wasn't really stressed about the kennel level stuff more so what I'd heard about being compromised and a CVE that ended up being from like 2005 or so

[finite saffron]

It did yeah, in 2005 from what I can tell https://www.cvedetails.com/cve/CVE-2005-0295/

Though this can kinda happen with any software, and tbh the only reason people dug this up was probably because "anti-cheat bad", and then they dug deep to find info to validate that belief, even though the exploit has long since been fixed.

Not that this wasn't bad, it's just not specific to anti-cheat in any way and was 2 decades ago.

The worst legitimate criticisms I've heard of it is that it's ineffective, and I guess we'll have to wait and see if that ones true. I can't really find evidence though that this poses any kind of unique security risk to people's PCs, especially since it only runs while the game is open.

I'm always inherently skeptical of any of these internet freakouts though, because I've heard literally every single anti-cheat on the market get called "rootkits" "spyware" "viruses" "massive security risks" etc etc. And there's often not much to back that up that wouldn't be true of... Basically any other .exe on someone's computer.

[sharp ether]

Wrath: Aeon of Ruin launches to full tomorrow. Looks like it'll be good from what I've seen.

[flint shoal]

oh yeah, sorry I didn't mean to imply the CVE was still an issue. More so meant that something from nearly 20 years ago isn't a concern. I tend to try and do my own research when I see people freaking out about things online.

[flint shoal]

looks cool! Not really the type of game I go for these days but looks like they've got something solid there

[prime burrow]

debating if i wana play helldivers2 or something else ,0, halp

bored

[flint shoal]

https://thewheelhaus.com/

[timber prism]

Spread Democracy

[prime burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-drill-sergeant-yes-boss-yes-sir-all-right-gif-22599540

[timber prism]

almost to 100 hours

[prime burrow]

ill go buy it now and install it while i sleep XD

[timber prism]

SO MUCH FUN

[prime burrow]

been watching videos looks fun to play

been bored af lately

[timber prism]

i have to take a break though starting on the 28th bc FF7 Rebirth arrives early \o/

its def a lot of fun if you enjoy coop shooters

[lilac adder]

doesnnt have survial craft....as a genre

it would never recommend vahalleia or enshorded :/

[scarlet idol]

oil Shroud
Where can I find it?

[tepid wadi]

You might want to ask in #enshrouded-chat or #getting-started. This is a channel for discussing other games.

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/YW0OdR-mJKY?si=lWZu6J80d6pAVJBu

[lilac adder]

hoping dragon dogma 2 will be the next skyrim / witcher 3

[tepid wadi]

Yeah i'm hyped for DD2. The gameplay looks so good

[timber prism]

FF7 Rebirth soon! 1-2 more days!!! \o/

[sly dawn]

Bought remake on Friday been chugging along on it

[timber prism]

Nice! I played Intergrade not long ago! Rebirth arrives tomorrow for me!

[tepid wadi]

I've been waiting for the whole thing to come out before I go through it. It looks real good though.

[timber prism]

I hope its a trilogy and finishes up in 4 years

I don't know if I can wait 8 more years for a conclusion

[candid quiver]

I wish they made a real remake of ff vii, instead of a game that doesnt feel like a final fantasy rpg and more like a fancy flashy button mashie =/

[timber prism]

calling it flashy button mash sure is a surface level take

[reef bobcat]

but it is!!

[timber prism]

nah, there are tons of builds and team options

[gusty compass]

Anyone play star rail? New character just drop https://youtu.be/-FrbSYzlqdU?si=yarGpKT9_DLX4sqj

[dusk bluff]

PSA go reset your epic games password now. They got ganked.

[candid quiver]

Glad i dont have any payment anything there

[quick jolt]

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/epic-games-zero-evidence-we-were-hacked-by-mogilevich-gang/

[shy oasis]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1621690/Core_Keeper/

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@green goblet

[green goblet]

Ty! I appreciate the link!!!

[shy oasis]

You’re welcome!

[dusk bluff]

I wouldn't trust it either way. 0 downside of resetting your password. Most companies I work with won't tell you they have been breached unless forced.

[flint shoal]

We'll get a message in 6 months like "oh, it turns out we were breached. Sorry guys"

[rapid yoke]

I second this

[sharp ether]

Core Keeper is good stuff.

[tepid wadi]

Yeah it's well worth the price

[reef bobcat]

Soon™

[reef bobcat]

steam and GoG are superior and have more players anyway lol

[dusk bluff]

I use them for the free games

[reef bobcat]

true I used to as well

[timber prism]

yeah, EGS is awesome

free games are nice

and they are decent ones.. i used to sell accounts when it first came out

[timber prism]

Do companies get in trouble for telling you they haven't been breached or are there loopholes around that?

i feel like they wouldn't have said anything if they did versus saying, "No we didn't"

[dusk bluff]

Literally no consequences.

I have companies tell me they haven't been breached then a week later they send a notice saying sorry we didn't know at that time. Lol

[timber prism]

oh thats dumb lmao

i feel like there should be consequences to telling people the opposite haha

especially stuff with money involved

[candid quiver]

Prolly hard to prove, they could claim theyre blind and stupid and didnt know i guess, thoughts hard to make into evidence =/

[lilac adder]

TES 6? mmm unlikely soon. helps me get over tes in general knowing assiasn creed / witcher make better open world gamewas

[tepid wadi]

Maybe they're talking in geological time. Then it might be soon

[reef bobcat]

hunt showdown worth it?

need sum new game to play

[tepid wadi]

Hunt is good, it's pretty hard to get good at though

[shy oasis]

Which genres do you enjoy? 🙂

[reef bobcat]

survival definitely. also loooooove open world games with a passion

[shy oasis]

Hmmm I would have suggested mostly story games
Maybe other peeps can recommend some to you

[reef bobcat]

nah, new skyrim modpack I'm making.

might put it on wabbajack

[lilac adder]

Ouuu nice. That or do like volus. A lot of mod packs minus requiem ones do little balancing so i get bored after like 2 hours... Granted not fault of the mod authors. I've tried them all 'Share a link when ready so i can give yours a try

[reef bobcat]

damnn

[reef bobcat]

sure, not sure when'll be done tho, hence the SoonTM lol

[lilac adder]

no worries. ill find it one or another via youtube spotlights even if i forgot about it. good luck!

[reef bobcat]

thanks, might not be a public release tho, everything is still in the planning phases when it comes to Wabbajack. Modpack is about 80% done with 706 mods

[shy oasis]

I’m sorry

[clever geyser]

Does it use Skyrim together?

[reef bobcat]

no, it doesn't

it is a singleplayer pack

got more pics coming soon...

[reef bobcat]

ngl might check out hunt showdown and rimworld

[prime burrow]

I got helldivers but it overheated my laptop

I cry

[old galleon]

Elden ring good?

[prime burrow]

I've never played it but I love watching people play it on YouTube lol

[glass valve]

a "fun" fromsoftware game

[quaint cosmos]

Its frustrating, but you will get better over time

[old galleon]

Okay I try beat game Saturday

[misty arch]

Terminator open world survival game is expected to be shown off
https://www.youtube.com/live/hAu0L3LZ-1Q?si=J-3l7VSd9sqmHOmX

[candid quiver]

Elden ring is an eerie, cozy spooky world.
alot to explore and find, slow chill travel but intense sudden combat moments.

i love playing it alone, in dark, slowly trying to get stronger in an harsh impressively huge world.

[timber prism]

Collectors Edition arrived!

[candid quiver]

Sepiroth the fell angel ^^

[gusty compass]

Should I buy monster hunter world or Rise?

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/lv00x1mmIk4?si=0a3gYRNzvR6S_xFW

[reef bobcat]

EGS you say? I don't normally buy their exclusives, but I couldn't resist Alan Wake 2. One of the best damn games I've played in a long time.

[timber prism]

I prefer World but either choice is good.

[reef bobcat]

Start with World, then play Rise if you get used to MH as a whole, Rise is more arcady and less hunting and more fighting, World is More Hunting and Tracking for giant lizard to make into armor then repeat that cycle a million times, with probably the best feeling combat I've ever played, but in the end. Make up your own mind, they are both equally great, despite the arguement going on in the community on which is better lol, ignore that and you'll be fine. I prefer World so I'm bias

[timber prism]

Missed opportunity with future war

Love Terminator so I'll still try it if the reviews go well

[trim plinth]

Has anyone tried Nightingale?

[vagrant abyss]

I'm having a lot of fun with it - definitely a slow paced game with intricate crafting systems, some of the systems are more obtuse due to some unpolished UI and such. Upgrades feel earned. Definitely a time intensive game, not something you'll pick up and finish fast but if you enjoy savouring the journey of survival crafting & exploration and figuring out mechanics its a good one.

The sound scape is amazing, atmosphere in general is really great, super easy to play with friends and hop into realms together.

[trim plinth]

Cool, thanks for the reply. I'm just thinking which game to play in my spare time besides Enshrouded.
Either this or Palworld. Have you played the latter?

[tepid wadi]

I liked nightingale more than palworld, definitely.

[vagrant abyss]

I did play palworld - obviously vibes and aesthetics are totally different and I much prefer Nightingales personally. Palworld felt like purposefully watching a bad movie with friends to me - fun and silly, but not immersive or compelling.

Mechanics wise it feels a lot more like village/factory management getting your bases set up to auto produce things and be self sustaining with all your pal workers, vs building a base that you do things in. Lots of breeding to optimize your pals.

Your pals are the real combatants, you are just there to do a little extra. Running around picking up shiny things on the map is fun, and collecting new pals is fun and exciting but then also feels a little... too fast maybe? Especially with mounts, you get one, then you get a better one, then you get a better one, and it feels a little disappointing to put a lot of work into a pal just to replace it and do all the work over with the next faster pal. I didn't necessarily wind up getting much feeling of longevity or connection to my pals. There's a bouncy bouncy mount that is just delightful to ride on though.

Base building is palworld is a frustrating joke though, don't expect to do anything more than a simple box. Has lots of decor pieces but none of them do anything and there isn't a cohesive theme to... well to anything in the game really.

[reef bobcat]

Agreed on base building, I personally give palword a straight 8\10 imo

[vagrant abyss]

My friends had a lot of fun in palworld, and I think if I liked modern vibes better I would have stuck it out longer. Its a fun silly game with enough depth in the breeding/base optimizing and variety in exploration and pals to keep it fun for quite awhile.

[candid quiver]

I dont see the variety of explorstion in palworld to be honest?

You can find pals, and a tower, and the same cave?

Been in like 7 caves and they were all the same cave

[vagrant abyss]

That's fair, I liked the different views and damn clicking those effigies are addicting XD Again I didn't stick it out super long but my friends had fun with it, one of them just explored all the time

[candid quiver]

More finding collectsbles i guess

[reef bobcat]

Soon™ - Part 2

[vagrant abyss]

We've all migrated to nightingale though, definitely more exploration variety there, puzzles are fun, the immersion and vibes are excellent. It feels harder to describe because there's a lot of subtle things that go into making the whole. Personally it wins hands down over palworld for me, but they also almost feel like 2 separate genres to me.

[gusty compass]

Thanks for the review, just bought world. Lets the hunt begin

[prime burrow]

yeah i was looking at that game it looks really good, but combat looked a little weird to me. Might get it in the next few weeks though just to try it out

[sharp ether]

I didn't last long in Nightingale. It looks beautiful, but a lot of irritations added up quickly, and the combat was dull, so refunded it. A couple cool ideas let down by several issues.

[hushed vector]

I love both Enshrouded and Nightingale, though they've both got their issues. I think Nightingale has the better combat, but it's hard to enjoy with their server issues. Enshrouded definitely has the better building though.

[reef bobcat]

👍

welcome fellow hunter

[reef bobcat]

something I forgot to mention, DO NOT use defender gear, it is an easy way to get to the Iceborne Expansion, but it ruins the progression of the normal game by making you OP very early

[gusty compass]

Nah i’d use

[reef bobcat]

lol

kk don't say I didn't warn you 😛

[maiden lark]

Few friends of mine moved from my server to nightingale when i was starting my second build. After about a week their discord activity didnt show nightingale anymore, but other games… now im on my way home to build more on my second enshrouded build. I think true builders dont need new games. We have found our spot 🙂 thanks to some keen people.

[sharp ether]

I like several of these games of crafting, building, and various levels of survival; Minecraft, Terraria, V Rising, Enshrouded, 7 Days to Die, Core Keeper, and Creativerse, and thought I'd really dig Nightingale, but didn't last 3 hours.

[lilac adder]

no vahallla..wow

[candid quiver]

Vahalla? Is that another viking-esque game?

[prime burrow]

I'm waiting on combat update looks too wonky for me atm

[sharp ether]

The combat was one of my issues with it

[candid quiver]

Which of all those games?

[prime burrow]

I'm enjoying helldivers atm, gonna give enshrouded a play through this week once my buddy buys a copy

[misty arch]

this game looks pretty interesting
https://youtu.be/Q57GpuLJFCQ?si=EqZcA2K0t2mVXV-T

[fresh moss]

its the studio behind Ori and the blind forest. so it always was on my radar 👍

[tepid wadi]

That does look pretty cool, I like the combo of souls game and anything, so I'm in.

[quaint kiln]

@trim plinth @vagrant abyss
Here is a complex Palworld base. MUCH more than “a simple box”. Takes 4 minutes to tour the whole thing

https://www.reddit.com/r/Palworld/s/l6HeOuTrZt

[vagrant abyss]

I mean, someone is always willing to hit their head against a wall for hours on end. The system is incredibly janky (snapping angled roofs in particular is a pain) with very little variation or pieces to support shapes beyond a rectangle. And pals can't handle stairs or doors, so anything asides from an open barn is 100% empty decoration, and even if you try to build a nice inside you never have any reason to go into it and the decor feels pointless and empty - all of it does diddly squat and you can't even sit in a chair. If the building experience was better at least it would make sense for folks who like purely creative decorative building that no one lives in, but the building experience sucks.

I love building in survival games, spent hours and hours and hours doing it in Valheim, been enjoying nightingale's (it lacks the incredible flexibility of a game like valheim or enshrouded, though its ease is welcome and it has variety and subtle pieces), but Palworld just made me want to throw the controller across the room.

Palworld has other redeeming qualities but it barely qualifiers as a base building game, and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone for its building system.

[sharp ether]

I know he made a couple minor errors, but: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKwRRlfnixQ&lc=Ugzp_inuwp9nJpK3cIh4AaABAg

[unkempt trout]

This was the exact reason that I didn't give Palworld the time of day. Wasn't worth even testing to see if I'd like it.

[prime burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/gm-chat-gm-images-gm-super-earth-super-earth-saturday-gif-5751077411862988579

[neat niche]

yet for a "complex" its still 300 levels below enshrouded building lol. even the devs admitted its bad

[quaint kiln]

The problem you described was already fixed in a patch

[quaint kiln]

Cool can’t wait for them to make it better

I never said palworld building was better than enshrouded. Just want to make sure people have the correct information and aren’t being misled

[silk garden]

Was playing some valheim again to take a break from building in enshrouded and nearly shat myself when I saw this trophy I threw there the last time I played the save

[tepid wadi]

Water trolls, they'll getcha

[radiant roost]

anyone rocket league? xD

[young lily]

LF Weapon 25 lv

[prime burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/super-earth-broadcast-not-propaganda-truth-justice-gif-24342064

Wake up soldier, it's time to spread democracy!

[neon sleet]

Since earth is falling into shambles, I'd like to give super earth a try

[prime burrow]

LMAO ikr, shit rock

[reef bobcat]

Lmao agreed!

[fathom fern]

what game is this?

also has anyone played Sengoku Dynasty? I'm a bit tempted to get that to poke at once I run out of content in Enshrouded

[reef bobcat]

Skyrim

[rain raven]

Skyrim with Building capabilities

[candid quiver]

Even the updated fallout 4 version of the engine gave up before i had finished my spectacle island mega-city build ^^

[reef bobcat]

Modded skyrim with 745 mods lol

[sly dawn]

Dragons Dogma 2… Yea or Nay

[reef bobcat]

Mid...

Wanna play it, but as a veteran MHW player, not fond of the whole Enigma DRM situation...

so...

maybe

[lilac adder]

anyone going to play https://store.steampowered.com/app/1684350/The_Thaumaturge/

Steam

The Thaumaturge

The Thaumaturge is an isometric, story-rich RPG with a unique take on turn-based combat, character development features, and investigation mechanics, facing you with morally ambiguous choices – set in a world teeming with mysterious powers and strange ethereal beings called salutors.The year is 1905. Warsaw lives under the yoke of imperial Russi...

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4 Mar, 2024

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comes out in 2 hours. looks really good

[lilac adder]

I looked into this but ruled it out of a gameplay for some reason that i cant remember. guess ill do research and see if i can find out why i ruled it out

[timber prism]

1st has a cult following. Combat is fun. I vote yea

[misty arch]

in 9 min
https://www.youtube.com/live/hhYOrP9KUq4?si=29n0DpN-QQ7SvhEg

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/1S-l7NySFsI?si=sIzWSEcFZTs0FTSI

[tepid wadi]

Fingers crossed that it's good

[full ginkgo]

I want to like it so badly, but with how horribly Funcom treats their Conan Exiles servers... I have such doubts.

[finite saffron]

That project is much bigger than just Funcom... Idk if I can say how much bigger, but I think it's publicly known that several studios are working on that game.

idk if that means it will be good or not, insanely ambitious project. But yeah

[snow needle]

i like most things that Funcom makes

[candid quiver]

I like conan exiles. I play it singleplayer as most games tho ^^

[tepid wadi]

It seems like they're trying to go for some sort of persistent MMO survival thing? I hope it's good; Dune is one of my favorite IPs and if they ruin it I'll be sad.

[finite saffron]

Yeah like mega mmo but survival game, thousands of players on single servers kind of MMO

Insanely ambitious and cool idea, I'm just not sure if the "technology is there yet" so to speak lol

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, the only other mega mmo survival thing that I've seen is Atlas and... oh boy that was a thing.

Hopefully they can look at the choices made there and learn from them

[void glacier]

Just got into Skyrim again, and i want to be a sneaky archer ( i know i know, how predictable ). However - i can’t choose between the warriors stone or the thief stone

What would be better?

[reef bobcat]

Warrior Stone improves Bows, and warrior skills. Thief Stone improves Sneak, and thief skills.

So go with whatever you wanna level up the fastest

[void glacier]

I’m playing the xbox version of Skyrim special edition.

[reef bobcat]

I'm just saying, that's what the stones do lol

[reef bobcat]

ive played it. Its good, kinda a slow type of game

[reef bobcat]

First Ever Prime!!!

[tepid wadi]

Very nice, I don't think I ever got one of those

I think the frame that I really liked was... equinox?

[sly dawn]

speed

[quaint cosmos]

Fireb0rn on youtube made a video about Steam games being scams. The scam dev can change their studio name and store page to look like another popular game at a discount. People will buy the discounted game but load up something else, and it's the same with steam keys.

[void glacier]

wait wait... what?

[quaint cosmos]

For example, if you see a popular game listed twice on Steam, one with a discount, it could be a scam. The dev of the discount price changed their game page to match the popular game, so people would pay the discount to buy a different game.

https://youtu.be/qmIwBIs6FVk?si=P503X7znxrxwgbox&t=53

[normal hazel]

Any EU gamers for nightingale ? we are like 3-5 people (begiiners) and we play casual (waiting for Enshourded content)

[shy wave]

https://ringoftitans.com

Open beta for a week

[finite saffron]

Sometimes I forget that not everyone played warframe for 500+ hours like me and all my friends

[full ginkgo]

I really liked Warframe, but I was so terrible at it. 😂It's one of the few games I tried so hard to be "good" at, but I never got there. The community was incredibly helpful, though, which isn't a common thing in a lot of online games. I'm super excited for their next game, Soulframe, which they've already said would have a more slower paced combat. I should be able to keep up with that one! 😂

[neat niche]

dont forget...grind 3 days to make it for 7 in your crafter.... then you can use your new weapon/warframe...

[neon sleet]

Tch....yea. pft......wh...who would do that?
....

[candid quiver]

In other news i got access to the next closed beta of pax dei

Wonder how it will be, i usually do not like mmos at all, so i hope its as different in that regard as possible

It has building and combat seems to be more action-oriented

It will prolly need ongoing monetization whenever its finished tho, so also dont know how that will be

[misty arch]

https://massivelyop.com/2024/03/05/myth-of-empires-promises-greece-persia-rome-and-egypt-civs-along-with-1000-person-servers/

[tepid wadi]

I'm definitely interested in it. It's got some very cool ideas, but my understanding from the last one is that it has a loooong way to go

[dusk bluff]

It's super easy to spot though the icon is always different and the tags are wrong. Steam has taken all the scams down within a few days and refunded everyone each time it happens. Only real risk is if the fake game is loaded with malware.

[timber prism]

I'm hesitant for the same reason. I hope the new closed beta shows a lot of progress because they are aiming at a Spring EA release. https://playpaxdei.com/en-us/news/information/pax-dei-will-enter-early-access-in-spring-this-year

[tepid wadi]

No please. Give yourselves more time. We have too much happening this year already, indie games are going to struggle even if they ARE great

[candid quiver]

Yeah, will see how it feels.

[lilac adder]

Ghost of tshumia pc port tomorrow (announced). That there is a goodie

[candid quiver]

Oh yejj

Been wanting to play that, on pc ^^

[timber prism]

I hope the port is good. One of my Top 10 all time games

[reef bobcat]

I'm waiting for the next hit game, Windowframe! (sarcasm alert)

[tepid wadi]

No joke though, Soulframe looks like it could be cool

[reef bobcat]

Another Skyrim pic...

[reef bobcat]

And another one...

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-another-one-one-more-time-gif-4816107

[dry thorn]

$÷[?$ or amfno

[analog cedar]

https://youtu.be/6maU5yUaL_Q

[umbral badge]

Heyyy I got back into skyrim too two weeks ago! I'm so addicted of late. I modded the ever living shit out of it and it looks beautiful lol. I'm rping a hunter in the woods on 1 character and a bounty hunter on another one.

I noticed how in two weeks time Nexus Mods downloads on skyrim SE jumped from 3,8 bn to 4 bn, so it seems suddenly a lot of people are playing again 😄

[lilac adder]

checkout wabbajack/novlus/vortext collections(yucky but worth a metnion). they got some good already curated modlist for skyrim

[umbral badge]

Nah I don't like those, I like building my own

[lilac adder]

lol fair

[umbral badge]

😄

So you're playing also?

I'm literally about to fire it up lol

[lilac adder]

i come and go every 3-6 months

[umbral badge]

It be like that right?

[lilac adder]

not right now but i quit recently

yupp

something about it is sooo addicting

[umbral badge]

Ah what did you play as, or how did you play it

Yeah for one the beautiful nature/landscaping tbh!

[lilac adder]

dual weild mercenary

[umbral badge]

Oh yeah is there a mercenary mod?

Or RPing as one

[lilac adder]

i picked a list from one of the above

[umbral badge]

Ahh okay

[lilac adder]

a bit of both lol

[umbral badge]

c:

Bro I don't fast travel on my current save haha

And I can't own a horse

[lilac adder]

i never fast travel

feels like ill miss too much

[umbral badge]

I sometimes broke the rule when I was tired late at night etc but now I just save where ever I left things off

Dude it's so funny

Yesterday some travelling bandit group started attacking two giants nearby rorikstead

And the giant sent them flying and I laughed so hard lol

It's literally been years that this random encounter happened

Does your pack include the territorial bull Mammoths btw? From Mikhail Mods. I can totally recommend that one

It's such a vibe to see an angry male Mammoth much larger than the female ones charge into sabre cats and destroy them xD

Hope the rules allow this: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/69391 totally recommend it, it brings the tundra to a new level

[lilac adder]

not sure. I struggle to find a list that is balanced...without being requiem based

so i usually go to witcher 3 to get my needs met

[quaint cosmos]

Can't wait. Thanks for the update everyone!

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/RbUd6lc-Bxg?si=2Zjss3Z1eZr6kK32

[finite saffron]

Damn, feels good that Force loves our game so much. He has mentioned it in a lot of videos at this point

[tepid wadi]

I mean, you guys did a good job making a game that is just... fun to play. That's good comparison material

[misty arch]

Ya, if he talks about any survival game, Enshrouded will be mentioned. He really likes the game.

[tepid wadi]

I feel like it's pretty rare that his "I played X hours of this game" videos end with "Okay now I'm going to go restart and do a new playthrough."

[finite saffron]

He loves a lot of games but yeah he seemed to really love our game

[tepid wadi]

One of the things I like about his videos is his general optimism/excitement for games

[quaint cosmos]

He speaks humbly. The charisma and genuinity(?) is nice to see the truth in his reviews.

[finite saffron]

I've worked closely with him on previous projects, great guy tbh. One of the few "big" creators I can tell still genuinely loves playing games

[sweet stirrup]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJqUwr41KLc&ab_channel=IGN

HEAVY Breathing finally pc

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/OleG2itr_3o?si=94yLUUkKesI6_36C

[old galleon]

I reach LEGEND in hearthstone

[reef bobcat]

Nice, peeps were asking me, (and I mentioned) that I might add my list to wabbajack, buuuut It's more catered to what I like so probably not lol, but I'm currently playtesting as a Breton Battlemage, seeing what needs fixing and what needs balance. so far tho I'm having more fun then I've ever had with my 1200 odd hours with skyrim, Making a list takes up more time then playing the game, so I'm adding like 1-2 mods now instead of 80-90 at a time like I used to.

[supple parrot]

lol I played Starfield for a bit and it was disappointing and made me miss Skyrim. So I uninstalled Starfield and have been playing Skyrim lately! 😄

[reef bobcat]

Never played Starfield

prob never will lol

[tepid wadi]

Maybe they'll make it so you can play skyrim inside starfield and give people yet another place to buy skyrim.

[prime burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-2-helldivers-helldivers-bug-helldivers-2-bug-gif-6134521506172951404

[reef bobcat]

No mammoth's bug me xD

[honest valley]

Starfield made me miss skyrim the whole time i played it lol

[reef bobcat]

I don't know if I'm allowed to do this, Mods lemme know pls. To those you play Warframe, I want to sell a Hildryn Prime Set for 65plat, DM me if interested.

[dusk bluff]

Oh God that game went so downhill. It used to be a blast and f2p friendly. I even ended up spending hundreds because it was so fun. Now the game just sucks 😦 I miss season 1-3.

[sly dawn]

Starfield made me glad I didn’t buy Starfield

[reef bobcat]

got gameplay footage of my pack if your interested.

nevermind lmao

discord being discord 😡

https://tenor.com/view/why-gif-23768806

[old galleon]

@dusk bluff I spend 3000 and win SO MUCH

[lilac adder]

anyone play any For Honor lately? It's been 2 years since last I played.

[dusk bluff]

Nice! I grinded to legend seasons 1-5 then quit

[ashen shadow]

hey guys whats the current max comfort in Valheim?

[tepid wadi]

Somewhere around 18-20 I think?

[nova smelt]

Been a minute since I last played too. Love the mechanics but not the gameplay so much. Kinda wisht there was a survival-craft game with the same kind of combat mechanics.

[lilac adder]

Aska or light no fire is only ones that stand a chance... Both probably need mods to get close... But ones ones that stand a chance of such mechanics

[lilac adder]

New update got me back and it's pretty fun.

[neat niche]

@wanton hare soo where to begin. ngithingale is pretty much over complicated just for reasons that lose me. encourges playign with friends. but limits building and build sizes... so yea... it really dont know what it wants.

@wanton hare as for abiotic factor. its gordan freeman scientists mixed with scp fondation. mixed with survival games. AND SCIENCE

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I think Nightingale has a good game in there, it's just got a ways to go before it really realizes its potential.

[neat niche]

i dont feel like it will... their focuses are just... not good

[tepid wadi]

I tend to try to stay optimistic about that sort of thing, it doesn't really cost me anything and I do truly enjoy the setting and some of the ideas for the game.

Like I think there are some issues with the way they do their realm cards, the idea of the realm cards is really cool.

All they need to do is review how the realm cards work and make some improvements that make it clearer/cleaner to use.

[sly sierra]

Soooooo... I want another survival/crafting open world game to play. Found that I love the genre. Obsessively played Nightingale on top of Enshrouded. Did a bit of Subnautica. Trying to figure out something to scratch the itch.

[tepid wadi]

Valheim is good. Conan Exiles is pretty decent. Ark is good if you can handle the jank. Minecraft is the classic

A couple lesser known ones are Wayard, or Ylands

Icarus is also good

[sly sierra]

Have Exiles. Valheim's also kinda interesting. I do like having a narrative though. It's one of the reasons I enjoyed enshrouded and Nightingale (though Enshrouded is so much more polished).

[tepid wadi]

You might like Icarus then. Most of the others I listed don't really have a narrative. Icarus is more mission-based roguelike survival, but the missions all have a story to them as you progress through it.

I think The Long Dark has a good story, but I haven't played it so I can't vouch for it's quality

Raft also has a clear story/progression, but I haven't played that either.

[full ginkgo]

Have you tried Sons of the Forest? It's the most fun (imo) in co-op with friends. The narrative is actually really interesting, and they just did their 1.0 launch so the game is officially out.

[tepid wadi]

Ah yeah, that's a really commonly praised on. I've never gone for it because I'm not a huge horror fan

[sly sierra]

Icarus, haven't even heard of that!

[tepid wadi]

It's pretty interesting, I like some of their ideas a lot

[sly sierra]

Well, got a few to peek at. I've heard the Long Dark has a good story, but that it never actually got finished.

[full ginkgo]

I played The Long Dark early on, but I haven't played since they added new content. I did like that one too. Liked a lot of the other ones Zerax mentioned also. All good games.

I'm also not a horror fan, but Sons of the Forest was one of those games that while occasionally horrifying, it wasn't non stop horror, and the story really was interesting. So many subtle clues hanging around the environments for players who like piecing together a good mystery with a dash of horror and sci-fi. That game melded a lot of genres, surprisingly.

[sly sierra]

Hmm... definitely more than a few to peek at then. I think I'll go with Icarus first though

[reef bobcat]

Love you guys ❤️ ❤️

[carmine shuttle]

https://youtu.be/lAShOiYZqV4?si=TQ_FBarrLpAQA-zK Dam

[neat niche]

abiotic factor will hit you perfectly trust me,. every demo for that game has been amazing. and it drops in may

[neat niche]

missions now bleed into each other. you can do alll missions from open world. so no more resetting every mission. you can build perma bases and still do story

[neat niche]

dont get raft. its over hyped, stupidly short game

[neat niche]

icarus first cohort is solid. devs are very active. as in weekly updates. and often pop into their own discord. very chill guys. def deserve love for their game

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I haven't played it since they did this update. I feel like this is a massive upgrade to the game and I'm looking forward to checking it out sometime in the future.

[neat niche]

o its huge. makes it so much more immersive. the story and whats actually going on is crazy

[sly sierra]

This sounds REALLY awesome. I feel weird asking about other games on a discord for one, but... When it comes to enshrouded, I've got at least a few others on my steam list I want to get the game for. And if they release any DLC post release, I'll be getting it. The game really is pure fun. Though... melee needs work and wanding is too easy. I LOVE blink-dodging though.

[tepid wadi]

There are definite combat improvements to be made, but for an EA release I feel like Enshrouded is top notch.

[neat niche]

but no if you enjoy this check out videos of abitioc factor. game is great. devs are silly. its litterly half life + scp + survival. all while traped miles below ground.

[neat niche]

best building ever in a game. i will stand on this hill all day

[tepid wadi]

We're all there with you. It's not even close.

[neat niche]

minecraft i think matches it partially cuz minecraft. but i mean. this game matches THE OG building game. thats huge

[sly sierra]

Oh yeah, of all the EA releases I've ever done, the only one that's been as good as Enshrouded was Grim Dawn so very long ago.

[neat niche]

so honest opinion, my abiotic demo playthroughs ( iv done 3) all match enshrouded for how well they run and work

[tepid wadi]

I dunno, I don't feel like minecraft lives up just because the voxel system for this is so nice. The voxel blending making edges look good. The ability to build multiple voxels at once. Voxel logic to create things like roofs. General graphics comparison (not counting minecraft shaders/mods/etc because I don't feel like those count)

[neat niche]

its why abiotic is on my wish list i cant wait

[neat niche]

minecraft is voxel... its liutterly one of the first and biggfest voxel lol

[tepid wadi]

Minecraft is great, don't get me wrong. I just feel like Enshrouded is a big step forward in voxel builders.

Yeah, I'm not saying it's not voxels, I'm just saying that by comparison it's a lot more primitive.

[neat niche]

also have you ever seen mc with shader mods? its so dam good

its also the grandfather of voxel games. so i means its def old

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I mean it's about time someone came along and made a better voxel system. Minecraft definitely can look good with shaders, but it never really loses the giant 1M voxel squares which always bothers me.

The way that Enshrouded's voxels blend together to create patterns and edges looks really nice IMO

[sly sierra]

Oh wow... Abiotic seems to have a genuinely different feel to it. Very different setting than any other I've seen.

[candid quiver]

best building, in a survival game - not all games imo; tho thats wide and its not even a fair comparison ^^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_EgqPQ5cJU&t=7s

(just a bit biased ^^)

Im also hype about abiotic factor, the demo seemed great ^^

it kinda feels like.. half-life'esque but with survival and crafting and stuff ^^

[neat niche]

best building in a game iv played, will still stand by that. only game that lets me be so free is mc

[neat niche]

the scp stuff mixed into it just hits so clean. the sheer terror when a composser reached in after us... we thought we where safe. we thought we made it to freedom. we where so wrong

[neat niche]

we just need minecraft 2

[calm sphinx]

Hey guys! Anyone interested in joining a closed alpha of a new MMORPG called Bitcraft?

There is a sign up going on, and some quests like: tweet this, join discord, and etc. to get XP. To improve chances of getting into closed alpha. If you used someone's referral, you would get more XP i think. So, if interested, I could share my referral link

[candid quiver]

You cant change and ads your own textures, you cannot use any primitive shape, you cant build animated elevators and moving carts, you cant build custom npcs, you cant place custom light sources and cha ge their spreas and colour, you cant build a whole island full of custom items and flora and fauna and transparency and particle effects or add moths and custom sounds and...

This is why i say its not fair to compare it to any game

Above video is from (a game), but since its not a survival/action/story game the building is completely freeform. Tower Unite is included in "any game", but its veeery different within a context of a survival map, or a game with a dedicated full free build mode. Not a fair comparison ofc, so a qualifier is needed ^^

[candid quiver]

Enshrouded has an amazing build mode, among survival adventure games.

[neat niche]

I repeat BEST BUILDING IN A GAME I PLAYED. Sheesh, even with context. And anyways in survival game nutshell it still wins.

[reef bobcat]

cursed image

[gentle canyon]

Grounded! Such an original setting and the game is great.

[reef bobcat]

Skyri...oh wait...

[maiden lark]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hTNFSR6z_A got a bit rusty with my energy management, but the piloting skills are still acceptable 🫡 back to where i came from 🖤🖤🖤

[timber prism]

Mechs are a go! Great job Helldivers!

🫡

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/2dlg1jfbvuo?si=-1a2qufIYZ0I3Zub

[timber prism]

https://fxtwitter.com/dragonsdogma/status/1766156952802136193

[tepid wadi]

Modders gonna have a hayday with DD2

[median bridge]

I always have trouble finding people to play games with, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. If anyone's interested in joining a general purpose (all games/gamers welcome) LFG discord DM me!

[cloud roost]

https://youtu.be/V9mylpHH3-o?si=_Colg7VxaJsj-mUw

[sly sierra]

I ended up getting Icarus! Full version.

[neon sleet]

I was wondering why everyone was talking about other games so much in off topic.
Turns out. I'm in the wrong channel.

[sly sierra]

Hah

[sly sierra]

I've got game pass, so can't hurt

[reef bobcat]

NGL I backed this Kickstarter game a few years ago that was an RPG but because it's a small indie studio with a big dream, they made it into a survival crafting game and it even has a similar area to our Shroud but it's poisonous, and the moment Enshrouded dropped, the game development went completely radio silent and I assumed they abandoned it because Enshrouded came out of nowhere and did it better

Apparently it's not true, I'm somehow friends with the lead developer on discord and apparently he's going through a lot of life stuff so

[vapid tree]

Been playing M.A.S.S. Builder for a couple of years now. Probably one of the best and most in depth Mech builders I've ever played https://store.steampowered.com/app/956680/MASS_Builder/

Steam

M.A.S.S. Builder

“A future in where humans lived a prosperous century and technology advancing beyond space and time,” that was what humanity should have been if not for the sudden appearance of unknown beasts of the void. A large portion of humanity were gone in the moment. War for the survival of humanity broke off all over the world, changing landscapes and s...

Price

$24.99

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3329

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[reef bobcat]

warframe, rate the colors pls

[lilac adder]

very impressive. played demo. def something to keep an eye out for. added to wishlist!!

[gentle canyon]

I promise you won't be disappointed. Such a good game.

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/K2A8Q5PRKOc?si=zegFN0QXs9Gm5K10

[timber prism]

@cloud roost https://youtu.be/ZORE-wxQL18?si=WrEJ0pkWljCcJG88

[tepid wadi]

Carbot is amazing, their content is awesome

[tepid wadi]

I have a feeling that we'll see this sort of thing happening, but there is a growing movement of 'player focused development' that I think we're seeing and I have a feeling the games that are become most popular in the future are the ones that respect players time and don't include crap like the loot box situation that Nexon set up.

[steady vault]

https://citizen-grim.itch.io/chroma-cycle

[sly sierra]

I dont' know who recommended Grounded, but holy CRAP. That's just hwat I needed. I enjoyed Icarus too, but still!

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, Grounded is a great one. I haven't checked in on it in quite a while, but it was good when I first looked at it

[full ginkgo]

I enjoyed Grounded. I think the only thing that made me grumble unhappily was you couldn't create your own character, but I got over it. 😂

[sharp ether]

AI War 2 is simpler than the 1st game in some ways, but not in others: XD

[rapid yoke]

loved about 2/3rds of grounded, which was more than enough for the price tag 🙂

[sly sierra]

I like having a targeted goal.

[dusk bluff]

Why do you need to create a character when we have Pete???? Pete is all I need.

[reef bobcat]

dragons dogma 2 needs to hurry up

why do i just find out about a legendary release just days away

[reef bobcat]

bruh... is there a TL:DR version?

lol

[reef bobcat]

just my honest opinion smh

PCMR

[timber prism]

DD2 being the legendary release? Its been getting pretty hyped up for months now lmao

If you haven't downloaded it yet.. the character creator is out

There have been a lot of funny ones made

https://www.reddit.com/r/DragonsDogma/comments/1ba39gx/im_surrounded_by_idiots/

https://www.reddit.com/r/DragonsDogma/comments/1b9wfdt/my_geralt_sliders_in_comments/

[young lily]

WTF ?????

😖 😡

[reef bobcat]

so ive never really been into these kinda games which is why its flown over my radar 😭 sm1 showed it to me in a vc and now im like hooked

but thanks i might try the character creator out rn

[shrewd comet]

I wonder how firebrick is produced? I couldn't find any guides in English or my own language. help me please

[noble hemlock]

Fired Bricks are crafted at the Kiln, using Clay. Clay only becomes available when you begin exploring the Revelwood area of the map. The Kiln also requires the Carpenter to build, which means you need to complete the Carpenter's vault before getting access to the various crafting recipes.

[shrewd comet]

Oh man thank you so much.

[shrewd comet]

Where can I find this material?

[tepid wadi]

You might want to ask your enshrouded-related questions in a game-focused channel like #enshrouded-chat or #spoilers-ahead. This channel is for discussing other games.

[lilac adder]

you can download the character creation portion of the game. i messed around with

[tepid wadi]

@tranquil cove Helldivers do be like that though.

[tranquil cove]

helldivers is rough, the new patriot mech they introduced

just blew up in my face no reason

LOL and it said i was killed by my own mech

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I think explosions don't count as a specific thing. I've been killed by seemingly random explosions sometimes.

The mechs are BAD vs the automatons, those rocket dudes just blow up your mech instantly.

I like that you have to choose your loadout based on the mission/enemy though. Makes it more engaging to have a lot of stuff unlocked.

[tranquil cove]

the worst is the crashing, i still crash out of 1 of every 5 missions it seems like, and sometimes 2 missions in a row

[tepid wadi]

Ah I've never had that problem thankfully. Worst I've seen is my teammates disconnect from the current mission and you have to finish it solo

The mechs feel so good though, I'm hoping we get a bike or something to traverse the map quickly

[tranquil cove]

lol and now network conn lost

[blissful yew]

The mechs are awesome

There’s a known issue where if you’re turning and shooting a missile there’s a chance it clips the mech and explodes lol

[tepid wadi]

That's amazing

Also, I love the detail that you can see the missile pods as you fire them. All the little details in the game are great.

[blissful yew]

It’s so good. Haven’t had this much fun in a coop shooter since L4D

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-2-gif-15121550314159891789

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I'm a little sad I waited a couple weeks to pick it up

[tranquil cove]

coop teamkiller

i die more to tk than anything else

mortar is like atrocious, hands down the worst sentry unless it's the ems mortar in which case that one is really good

[blissful yew]

lol
Happened to me a number of times. Usually when I go down to lower levels to help newer players out. They see my gear and think “mine!”

[tranquil cove]

oh even accidental tks

[blissful yew]

All they’d have to do is ask and I’d happily call in some gear for them

[tranquil cove]

do you know what counts as team kill in the stats? is it accidentals?

[blissful yew]

Oh yeah, all the time. I wince if I see 380 bombardment stratagems

[tranquil cove]

because that seems to never be accurate at all

[blissful yew]

Yeah, I believe it’s accidentals

[tranquil cove]

they should just remove the armor bonus that gives throwing range

and apply that throwing range as standard throwing range for everyone

TK's will go down 90%

and then give those armors a different bonus lol

[blissful yew]

Luckily, most of the time by levels 7-9 most people know how and when to use the right call ins

[tranquil cove]

like these are super soldiers of the future? and i can throw better than them irl

or i wish throwing range was something we could skill into

along with stealth

like i don't really think it should be 100% item dependent

[blissful yew]

The main issue is most of the time, at least in random lobbies, people aren’t communicating. Thats when issues tend to occur. Although, there are those no comms matches where everyone just knows what to do and synergizes perfectly seemingly for no reason. Those are nice but not too common

[rustic ridge]

anybody know how to get the discord activity status to show up again?

[elfin shale]

For what? Is it a new game that you started playing and want to have it show up as an activity?

If that is the case, you may need to manually add the game under 'Settings > Registered Games' on Discord.

[rustic ridge]

yea... nobody showing any activity statuses... it's enabled on my end.

for ex. if you set a custom status, or play a game, I can not see your status on either. I think it's a discord thing that started recently.

[rapid yoke]

Casually interested in this, drops sometime in the next day:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1521970/Goblin_Stone/

Steam

Goblin Stone

Goblin Stone entrusts players with the fate of the last goblins to escape annihilation by cruel adventurers. To avoid extinction, they must build their numbers, venture back into the world, and put an end to the adventurers who hunt them. Embark on a heartwarming journey to rebuild a goblin lair and help them thrive in a turn-based roguelite whe...

Release Date

Mar 12, 2024

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[lunar flame]

Oh, we've had some hilarious TKs. 😄

[tranquil cove]

threw strategem, bug jumped up at same time hit strategem in mid air and knocked it back toward me, strategem went off and killed me lol

bugs getting smarter

game freeze every other game lol

[tepid wadi]

Spawned in, getting weapon drops going. Dude calls down an airstrike and kills all of us.

[timber prism]

I have heard this happens when firing rockets if it collides with something close to you

the mechs are very weak in terms of taking damage

[tepid wadi]

There's definitely a bug where it'll just blow up inside the mech when it tries to launch

I've had it happen a couple times

[timber prism]

i learned that you can actually take a charger ramming you if you move to the side

and have it hit your side versus the front

[timber prism]

ah... I haven't had that happen to me at all

wonder if its a latency thing

[tepid wadi]

Yeah possibly

[timber prism]

just like the latency with bile titans taking more damage than normal

[timber prism]

Mortars are really good wdym?????

they are really good aggro pullers when you need to make space between you and the enemy.. smokes are also really good

[timber prism]

Also... better late than never haha.. I been trying to tell people how good this game is in this channel since it came out! <.<

[tranquil cove]

mortar just kills you despite no enemy nearby

so do i want a niche situation sentry gun

or one where my chances of being killed are basically zero

thus mortar EMS strike superior, and i've yet to die ever from anything else beside mortar

even the rocket turret is btter

ive died from mortar when there were like.. i dunno whats a good length relationship in this game?

lets say the length of 3 bile titans between me and enemy

how the flip do you miss so bad mortar, that you blow me up instead

[timber prism]

no it doesn't

what can happen is that there is an enemy nearby that you killed and the mortar aimed and shooting at said destination

[tranquil cove]

i've been closer to mortar than to enemy and it blew me up

since i always play sniper

it doesnt happen often

died like a handful of times this way

but when it happens its annoying asf

[timber prism]

i have yet to be killed by a mortar the way you said

interesting though.. im going to go test it

[tranquil cove]

maybe because you deploy it between you and enemy and run other way, and the other way has no enemy

which is like retreating deployment its the best use for it

basically

[timber prism]

i have thrown it behind me offensively and behind the enemy defensively

in about 110 hours of game time, I haven't had that happen to me

only time i have been killed by mortars are if an enemy is like 10-15 feet from me

[tranquil cove]

games so glitchy i don't even know anymore, lol i only have 30 hours playtime, but it's only happened like 5 times

[timber prism]

or they are lower terrain and im on a hill and the arc hits the edge of the hill that im peeking over.. which is completely my fault XD

I find it really useful when playing on diffs 8 and 9

with how crazy spawns have been it pulls mobs away well so you can focus on heavies easier

[restive flicker]

We can adv here deferent games ?

[reef bobcat]

advertise, maaayyybeeee? if your selling a game prob not, if your just sharing a link, yea

[lilac adder]

I've found a good number of games on the chats here that i would have not otherwise

[full ginkgo]

Anyone else tried Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon? It's in early access, so it's not done, but it's giving me strong Elder Scroll vibes in all the right ways. I'm a sucker for a good twist on the standard Arthurian Legend, too, so the setting of Avalon is a huge plus for me. https://store.steampowered.com/app/1466060/Tainted_Grail_The_Fall_of_Avalon/

Steam

Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon

Important information to consider before purchasing this game in Early Access:> There is a possibility that your saved data may become corrupted due to large patches and version changes.> This game does not aim to have AAA-level graphics or polish.> You might encounter various small bugs, balance issues, and a lack of final polish.> This game is...

Price

$29.99

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2157

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[tepid wadi]

I played it back when they were doing the roguelike deckbuilder thing. One of the content creators I follow did a review of the early access for it and it looked VERY elder-scrollsy

[tranquil cove]

i decided if anyone dies in helldivers 2, i will take all their equipment 😄

because that one guy tked me when i took his shield pack after he died

and the fact is if anyone took anything of "mine" after i died i wouldn't care, 1) it's no longer my stuff when i die, 2) i'd be happy my team mate has a shield pack, and i can summon one later for myself. lol

[tepid wadi]

If I kill them, i won't take their stuff, I'll try and reinforce them as close to it as they can

it's the polite thing to do

[tranquil cove]

they died on their own

and i didn't know the guy was coming back for his stuff

i thought he left it there

polite thing to do is ask for the stuff back minimally before you resort to a team kill

the guy just walked up beside me and shot me in the head

and there's no way i team killed them, i just spawned into the game

which is why i didn't care as much about team killing him back since i have no time sunk into that mission

the game just awarded me 150 medals though from major orders completed 5 days ago

[tepid wadi]

Very nice, I'll have to log in and see if I've got those

[timber prism]

Toxic

Taking primary is fine but anything else is a no go

[tranquil cove]

i don't see that in the helldivers playbook, once someone dies you can loot all their equipment for democracy

i think it's more toxic to have ownership over imagined items in a game, that you can most likely recall anyway because the timer refreshed

[timber prism]

Unwritten rules of not being an ass XD

[tranquil cove]

but then again i support communism

[timber prism]

Especially if they just called it down

Cuz cooldowns

[tranquil cove]

wont bother me if you ever see me loot my stuff if i die accidentally or to bugs

[timber prism]

Thats you

[tranquil cove]

yeah because i'm not toxic

[timber prism]

?????

[tranquil cove]

that's the point, i'm happy whenever someone gets a shield as a benefit of me dying for example

[timber prism]

You just stole someone else's stuff

And that isn't toxic?

[tranquil cove]

they died, it's no longer theirs

otherwise we should make samples/rare apply individually also

[timber prism]

Some insane logic there

No. Samples are shared regardless of who picks it up when you extract with them

Not even close to the same

[tranquil cove]

i borrowed their stuff to survive better as a team, there is no stealing in a team game

play solo

[timber prism]

So dumb

[tranquil cove]

if they are dead and i'm alone, and we need to extract and there is 4 respawns left, you mean i shouldnt take someone's shield on the ground, to help me clutch and summon my team again and we all extract? what if that shield was the difference between extracting and not. or is "stealing" now okay depending on the situation?

[timber prism]

You can pick it up and drop it to give it back after they are reinforced

[tranquil cove]

so i can pick it up and drop it in any other situation too if they want it

i never said i wouldn't drop things if people asked

[timber prism]

The right thing to do vs you died so its mine now

[tranquil cove]

i just said im gonna take whatever i need from a dead soldier

[timber prism]

You said you didn't know he was coming back to get his stuff. You could have just comm'd and found out

[tranquil cove]

nah i was 100% right in that situation

he wanted the stuff he could have told me

rather than team kill

[obtuse scroll]

Okay guys, this is going more towards argument area. Please take it to DMs and move on to other conversations

[timber prism]

You even wrote, "its no longer my stuff after I died." Which isn't even true lmao

I agree. He could have said something but etiquette is to reinforce them over their stuff if its clear like Zerax stated

[opaque summit]

Did they say something?

[red ibex]

no, but getting ready!

[lilac adder]

/Nice. added to my watchlist. However no 3rd person so idc for playing it until then

[full ginkgo]

Yeah, that's the only negative so far for me. I do like third person being an option, as I normally prefer to play that way! It looks like the devs said it is something they want to add, but who knows how long that will take.

I played my first 3 hours today, and I really liked it. I about laughed myself out of my chair when I found a romance novel called "Beautiful Liliana and the Chamber of Ecstasy" complete with super cheezy writing and one of the guards (I'm assuming the owner of the book) had drawn his own "fan art" of Liliana (it was horrible fan art btw ROFL) and had it plastered on the wall in his sleeping area. I'm still cracking up, it was so ridiculous and unexpected. 😂

[lilac adder]

looks like skyrim remade in 2020.....im not sure im sold completly...but then again...skyrim released in 2020 i'd buy so lol

[full ginkgo]

Game has all sorts of books sort of like Elder Scrolls games do, but most of them are informative and very practical in what they teach the player. So stumbling upon that one, was kind of like finding The Lusty Argonian Maid in Tamriel. rofl

[lilac adder]

how simliar are you finding it? is it better than modded skyrim? looks comparable

[full ginkgo]

No harm in waiting, that's for sure! I'm just filling the time until Enshrouded gives us more goodies. 😄 lol

[tepid wadi]

Well it's a totally different team and theme. If you like skyrim but also arthurian legend, you'll probably like it

[full ginkgo]

I don't think it's better than modded Skyrim, because Skyrim just has SO MANY MODS. Hard for an early access game to compete with that.

It's very Skyrim-ish with its systems, though, so it's easy to fall into and feels familiar but different all at the same time.

I would only play it instead of Skyrim if you are looking for a game like Skyrim, but want a fresh narrative and a new world. (Which is what I was looking for). The narrative is good, the world is interesting, and the npcs have decent dialogue, especially the fae merchant I came across, he was adorable and my favorite merchant to go to. LOL

I'm serious when I say favorite merchant, I literally run across half the map to go sell to him instead. He makes me laugh with his dialogue.

[lilac adder]

Hmm I am interested. I'll wait till 3rd person. dragon dogma will hopefully fill the void skyrim left

[tranquil cove]

pretty sure skyrim has mods for new worlds

that are as big as the original game

[timber prism]

I hope the same. Looking forward to DD2

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, DD2 looks real good

[lilac adder]

they do but the problem is that it's skyrim engine

I want skyrim but not on skyrim's engine lol

[tranquil cove]

thats the problem with every game 😄

[lilac adder]

witcher 3 and elden ring made me think skyrim can be made much better

[tranquil cove]

their engine is already obsolete 2 months after release imo

[lilac adder]

off the character creation alone i'm hyped!!. espeically since gta5 was thier inspiration. open world is going to feel good

[timber prism]

I hope so

[tepid wadi]

GTA but high fantasy is a pretty good pitch

[tranquil cove]

it was funny because the game house flipper experienced engine out of date first hand, they released, people demanded to be able to do 20 things the engine can't do, they decided to work on house flipper 2. lol

[timber prism]

I hope they don't lock content off like the first game if you missed things

[tepid wadi]

They will, some reviewers have already talked about failing some quests because they prioritized other quests. ||they had a quest to rescue someone, but they did other quests and ignored it for some amount of time, but when they went to rescue the person, they were dead||

[timber prism]

Thats unfortunate then

Thank you for spoiler tagging ❤️

[tepid wadi]

Eh, I see it as more of a nice "living world" feel. I don't like it when time stands still except for what I do.

[timber prism]

I'm going in blind for this one

[lilac adder]

how moddable was dragon dogma? prob something mods can fix

[tepid wadi]

Give me more reason to do multiple playthroughs.

I aassume it's moddable since it's largely just a single player game, but IDK. The pawn system and pseudo-multiplayer might make it hard.

[timber prism]

Yeah. I am not a multiple playthrough type of gamer

If I revisit a game it will be years later lmao

[tepid wadi]

That's fair

[timber prism]

But I can see how its a nice feature for those who like doing it

I will sit and do all the side quests for a game before moving on in most games... doing that right now in FF7

There is so much content compared to FF16 x.x

[tranquil cove]

game named final fantasy has 16 releases

i thought it was the final one 😛

[timber prism]

Going strong since 1987 lmao

Thats just the mainline series. There are tons of side games as well

[lilac adder]

even if dragon dogma flops...rise of ronain should hold us together. next week is going to be nice

[tepid wadi]

Dragon's Dogma 1 was a cult classic, so there's already a pretty sizeable audience for DD2

Unless they totally bork the whole thing (but it doesn't look like they have from gameplay I've seen)

[lilac adder]

the first is $5 and released 8 years ago...hmmmaybe i should give it a try

[primal rose]

i can't wait for weeb games to die

[tepid wadi]

The first one is fun, but it definitely feels it's age at this point. When it came out, there weren't a ton of action games with really solid combat, everyone was kinda doing their own thing. Now we've had a decade of constant Dark Souls games and the action combat genre has some pretty deepseated roots.

[timber prism]

Things that worry me... no demo for it which Capcom games usually have... also no collectors edition

[tepid wadi]

There's a digital collectors edition, I know it's not the same but I feel like we see fewer and fewer physical collectibles

[timber prism]

Can you link it? I only see a deluxe edition

[tepid wadi]

Delux edition = collectors edition?

[timber prism]

No. Thats a deluxe Xd

[tepid wadi]

🤷‍♀️ They mean mostly the same thing, maybe just to me though

[timber prism]

Capcom usually does collectors on games they know will be a hit

SF6, MHR, MHW, RE4R all have them

Just a thing that makes me wary... doesn't mean the game will be good or bad but to me feels like they don't have confidence in it

[tepid wadi]

Fair. DD2 doesn't have a long history like most of those games htough

It's only the second game in the series, and the first one didn't sell super well at launch if I recall correctly

It just gained cult classic status over time

[timber prism]

Yeah it didn't

Which is why it had a cult following and not considered a Hit game

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, so if DD2 is a hit, maybe we'll see a collectors edition for DD3

[timber prism]

The bigger thing is no demo

[tepid wadi]

I'm not too worried about it, demos take a surprising amount of dev time and AAA games rarely get enough time to finsh as it is

[timber prism]

Even exoprimal got a demo

Haha

[tepid wadi]

Well clearly demos aren't that good of a determiner of success expectations 😝

[rapid yoke]

Goblin Stone, Goblin Stone, Goblin Stone!

[timber prism]

Lmao. Truuuuue

I really liked the attention to detail on their character creator.

I can't think of another game that allowed you to customize the amount of teeth and if it wasn't a full set... which exact ones are missing

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, there's a lot of stuff you can do there

People are crazy

[timber prism]

Sadly my 3080 only has 8 gigs so it already gave me a warning when I launched the game

I'm trying to hold off until the new Nvidia cards drop to upgrade z.z

Ahaha. I really like the Shaggy on bottom right

[tepid wadi]

The Toby on the bottom left is the one that got me. It's so perfetly done

[vague galleon]

im running on a 1660 with 6GB T-T

[vague galleon]

bruh what. i remember back with the first one you got shirt color, pants color, and hair color. lol. games sure have changed.

[timber prism]

The character creator is on steam if you wanna prep and make them ahead of release

[vague galleon]

what

[timber prism]

Yeeeeee

[vague galleon]

isnt this for BG3?

[timber prism]

No

[vague galleon]

hmm

[timber prism]

Dragons Dogma 2

[vague galleon]

oh. THAT game.

I had a bad experience with the first game.

[timber prism]

Unfortunate x.x

[vague galleon]

yup.

I gave it a full try but sadly it did too many things to piss me off.

a shame because the boss fights were phenamonal and way better than any other game i've played.

[timber prism]

I'm cautiously optimistic for the new one

[vague galleon]

im sure most people will love it.

[timber prism]

I think the combat is pretty top tier

The rest... ehhhh lmao

[vague galleon]

i hope they fix the pawns. they were fricking stupid in the first game. i spent all my time rezzing them as they kept kiting more and more bandits and did nothing to fight.

[timber prism]

We will find out next week!

[vague galleon]

i got too many other games right now anyway. @_@

still gotta beat megaman legends 2.

my plan was to finish a few old games and then play farcry 6.

aaaaaand then I started playing Enshrouded...........

[sullen crane]

DD2 no mutiplayer is a blow

[vague galleon]

I mean, not every game needs multiplayer.

[tepid wadi]

We always knew it would be a single player game, just like the first one

[candid quiver]

I wish i could be withput the pawns too in fact, feels just as chaos to me as multiplayer =/

[tepid wadi]

I did the first one entirely with me and my own pawn. Having 4 just made the banter too much for me and I enjoyed the extra challenge

[candid quiver]

Oh it works?

So might not be forced to have 4 crazies?

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, you had to hire the extra pawn to complete the first quest, but you can just dismiss them

That's how the first game was, I'm hoping this one is too

It made some encounters SUPER hard though

[candid quiver]

Thats a comfort! ^^

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, having 3 pawns yell "Goblins ill like fire!" every time you see a goblin made me want to shank someone 😝

[candid quiver]

Hard is ok, atleast i wont go insane from trying to keep up with what they are doing ^^

I get like stressed if there is 'action' around me i cant see or control ^^

[tepid wadi]

oh, I think the whole point is that you can mostly ignore them

[candid quiver]

I dont want them running around playing MY game fighting MY fights ^^

[tepid wadi]

haha

[candid quiver]

'Ok goblin 4, lets turn around and... wth why did u do that BOB i was gonna pouts'

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I made my pawn a healer/buffer so I was the one doing the damage and she just kept me alive

It worked pretty well

[candid quiver]

Sounds like how id wanna play, yejj ^^

1 companion is max i have patience for in any game ^^

Unless its turn based, but thats diff ^^

[timber prism]

Hopefully shank a gobbie lmao

[dusk bluff]

Yep they never once mentioned it would be multiplayer. The first one wasn't so why would the second. Some people just can't appreciate solo games. That's like saying oh man God of war being single player is terrible.

Someone made shaggy from Scooby Doo. Now I really want to play a DPS healer hybrid as shaggy and have my pawn be Scooby Doo and tank for me.

[timber prism]

Yeah! There are a lot of really good ones found on reddit that people have made... also some really cursed ones like Frieren XD

^ this is me lmao

[tepid wadi]

I'm the kind of person who just selects a preset, maybe changes the hairstyle, and hits next

[timber prism]

I do that for like MMO's if im racing

usually they let you pay to change it later so i go back and change it then

[tepid wadi]

I just don't feel a strong attachment to my character, so fine tuning my appearance is whatever. I'm much more interested in the mechanics and stuff

[timber prism]

my logic on making pawns look good... people will use them

then your pawn will get more currency and exp and knowledge checks on fights

at least thats how the first one worked... im sure this will be the same

[tepid wadi]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that'll be the way it is in this one.

[reef bobcat]

honestly, I don't feel attachment to a character either unless I'm roleplaying, atleast the game lets you break the laws of nature with their face tho 👌

[timber prism]

💀

[tepid wadi]

Have that be your pawn and name it Nina? Classic.

[ivory girder]

What game is this?

[tepid wadi]

Dragon's Dogma 2 character creator

[shy oasis]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1229240/Chained_Echoes/

Steam

Chained Echoes

Chained Echoes is a story-driven JRPG where a group of heroes travel around the vast continent of Valandis to bring an end to the war between its three kingdoms.In the course of their journey, they will travel through a wide array of diverse landscapes spanning from wind-tanned plateaus and exotic archipelagos to sunken cities and forgotten dung...

Price

$24.99

Recommendations

5165

Metacritic

91

▶ Play video

Good story
A spiced up round based battle system
Looks good
Music/soundtrack is pretty decent too
And brings back childhood memories

[fallen root]

V rising 1.o release may 8th

[lilac adder]

As great as v rising was.... It felt... Limiting. Like i couldn't build anything etc. The combat was fantastic. I'll have to read up and see if it's worth getting back into

[fallen root]

possibly. when did you last play? last mays patch added multilevel building for example.

[lilac adder]

Late 2022 early 2023

[reef bobcat]

Any information on whether Dragons dogma 2 will have more than 30 fps?

[timber prism]

V Rising PVP is really fun and a great use of its combat

[tepid wadi]

Unknown, but I've been specifically keeping my head in the sand on the game. Lots of spoilery reviews and footage going around.

[timber prism]

PC

[reef bobcat]

Well I play Enshrouded on PC on 30 FPS lock and play with controller so I guess..

In 3rd person games its fine 1st person wouldnt be able to get used to it i think

Its gonna be my first dragons dogma game so Im excited haha

I dont like hard games is it hard?

Like Dark Souls

[tepid wadi]

The first one wasn't that hard, but who knows how challenging the second one will be

[reef bobcat]

Ok

[tepid wadi]

The first one was so long ago 🤷 The Souls style gameplay has kind of taken over the action combat space since then, so we'll see how the second one feels to play.

[reef bobcat]

I like exploration.

[reef bobcat]

Yeah and perma death for your NPCS hope that doesnt spoil something for you my bad if it does

Thats kinda scary.

[timber prism]

Uncapped 30 fps for console is sad times tho

Probably gonna have pretty wild frame drops

[reef bobcat]

Another question has anyone player "Under the waves" I like walking simulator type of games it seems to be one and I loved subnautica

Curious if there is combat before I buy it.

I dont like scary games either haha.

While scary is quite subjective too

[snow needle]

If the timer will be longer, the shrouded areas should also be larger so it is not always so fast to leave like it is in the game.

[candid quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046920062923182121/1217562615438643240/20240313205910_1.jpg?ex=66047a8c&is=65f2058c&hm=16e94cb4372151365eefac32f8cbb036ddf0854aa43535f9da07bc92f5f0638e&

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046920062923182121/1217560972974358628/20240313205236_1.jpg?ex=66047905&is=65f20405&hm=1aa801f7de4d7539fd95c4427ee62f4878853032892c03df251d922ff2607b0a&

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046920062923182121/1216067648434208890/20240309175837_1.jpg?ex=65ff0a40&is=65ec9540&hm=849de446743ba615b0dfb0319e4cfea4fa3c81c9ed9e9776df441123ffa20f20&

[candid quiver]

(Above was some screens from my custom world/map im building in tu ^^)

[languid fiber]

I love the look of the last one.

[candid quiver]

Thank you, the trees was a bunch of work with cylinder primitives and then choosing the right texture and making bends ^^

[south pecan]

Does anyone know of a game that have really good and/or much better skill/class trees like what we have in enshrouded with really good combat as well? I have done everything I can with enshrouded and I had a lot of fun with it but found the combat to be a bit lacking but I know they'll improve on it I just want something else to bite on for now

[lilac adder]

assiasna creed odyssy has a similar / better skill tree...however in the survival craft genre...enshroulded is alone in the implementation of a skill tree...I guess connan exiles did someting simlar but lackluster in comparision...maybe v-rising

[south pecan]

Yeah me and my girl have also finished v rising as well lol we're looking for more stuff to play and we cant wait for all the other games we played to be out of early access

[lilac adder]

dang ya so that it. This genre has niche titles so not really anything else like enshroulded/valhiem/vrising/conan exiles. asaka and light no fire are coming this year likely....those are probably the best bet to fill the spaec

[south pecan]

thanks i'll keep those in mind

[fringe valve]

algum br com mundo ativo ai pra nos jogar

[lunar flame]

#rules & #language-servers

[hollow barn]

@solid canopy where did we stop our convo?

[solid canopy]

Uhh FF7 and ER lol

I think I was saying I played Remake and Retrograde but haven't touched Rebirth yet

[hollow barn]

And Atomic was talking about the dlc iirc

[solid canopy]

OH ya

saying the DLC will be worth the money

[hollow barn]

It's Fromsoft the DLC is always worth it

[solid canopy]

I might have to go play ER and beat it before DLC drops then

don't even remember where I left off

[hollow barn]

Just restart then

[solid canopy]

ya id probably need to anyway

[hollow barn]

I'm curious how the dlc turns out, haven't looked at anything yet

[solid canopy]

I watched the trailor and that was it

[hollow barn]

I haven't done that only saw some speculations when the announcement droped way back

[solid canopy]

Fair enough

[tepid wadi]

I'm not big on DLCs usually, but fromsoft DLCs are usually pretty legit

[dusk bluff]

https://youtu.be/ASIbNq_pLQQ?si=6d-cBmcWKn6yHUQs

Creator of runescape is dropping a game later this year

And it looks like runescape lol

[misty arch]

check your bank accounts, those not waiting for Dragons Dogma 2, the Steam Spring Sale has begun.

[tepid wadi]

Also if you didn't buy any of the big releases over the last year, they look like they're on the list.

[tranquil cove]

i never even heard of helldivers 1 or dragon dogma 1, lol

[finite saffron]

I'd wager over 95% of helldivers 2 players probably never played helldivers 1

it was a good game though

[tranquil cove]

I played alien swarm

basically the same game almost, some detail differences 😄

oh alien swarm came first too

[rapid yoke]

I think I played helldivers for free on ps3 or 4

dualjoystick shooter, it was okay

[timber prism]

Yes! Very good game!

And def... the playerbase for HD2 is like 30x more or whatevee

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4fVkYZOVVX/

Instagram

Fire from the sky x.x

[blissful yew]

Yeah, the first Helldivers had a max concurrent player count of less than 10k. Helldivers 2 has broke 750k concurrent on both platforms. Insane…

[tepid wadi]

I mean, it kinda makes sense. Twinstick shooters are a much more niche market than 3rd person shooters

[misty arch]

https://youtu.be/UxZ_rZhyQog?si=2u3iI78zKqQVgSB0

[gusty compass]

If I finished Enshrouded, should I try Portal Knights? It's on discount right now

[hollow barn]

It's always worth a try

[reef bobcat]

modpack: %95 done!!!

[vague galleon]

yes absolutely

once again halo infinite still hasnt gone down to 20. 😦

[candid quiver]

Cant finish enshrouded currently tho

[reef bobcat]

some games are just getting done dirty

i was hoping badlurs gate 3 would drop to like $40

but naw $53.99💀

[solid canopy]

Some of those steam discounts are just like why even bother

5% off a 60 dollar game lol

[finite saffron]

I mean to be fair a lot of those like 60+% discounts are essentially "fake"

Like nobody is buying a 7 year old AAA game for 60 dollars, but it sure does look like a good deal when you see it "80% off" at 10 dollars

Instead of lowering box prices like back in the day developers just slowly make the sale discount go higher and higher and do sales more often lol

[solid canopy]

Agreed. And idk how steam works their marketing for discounts if thats on their side or if you as the devs get to say "how much" to discount. I did pick up a few but as you said some of those that just had minimum discount of a like $3, for me at least, I'll just wait for a better discount lol. If I wanted the game that bad I would've bought at full price, so I can wait a bit longer.

[finite saffron]

Devs choose the discounts but it's steam's discretion how those discounts get marketed. Doing discounts more often usually makes Steam less likely to promote them

Also Steam likes it when you do discounts as part of their big events (like this spring sale going on) and promotes games a lot more for participating

[solid canopy]

Ahh gotcha. Makes sense. Most games I'll buy out right without any concern. Enshrouded I got as soon as you guys dropped no regrets 200+ hours in it. I bought Nightingale on a whim since it had the crafting aspect as well and kind of wish I hadn't now tbh.

I'm sure steams mega sales def play a roll. Just like march madness and all the computer sales they do at the beginning of the year.

[finite saffron]

Yeah Steam can't make games on sale against the developers will... Thankfully. That's why there's some games like Factorio that have literally never gone on sale, dev just never felt like it https://steamdb.info/app/427520/

(the 20 dollar all time low price is from early access, when it was cheaper)

[solid canopy]

ahh good ol Factorio. I wonder how many steam games I have where devs are like nope we'll keep it full price forever lol

[finite saffron]

Not many tbh, because it's basically just throwing money away. But that dev just has something against sales I think

The steam algorithm looooves sales, and every time you do a sale it notifies every single person who has your game on their wishlist (it's the only way to notify them besides releasing your game)

[solid canopy]

Maybe mix of pride and work put into it? Hard to say, on one hand I get it, it's your baby and you get to set the price you feel you deserve. On the other hand though, even if you took $10-15 off that price I bet they'd get a spike in sales just because of price alone.

[vague galleon]

ick.
thats because they know it will sell anyway

[solid canopy]

Could be, I mean for what the game is 12.5k avg player is not a bad community. I guess its just what you feel is worth time and money

[finite saffron]

I think he has something morally against sales, because from a business pov not doing them is objectively less money

[vague galleon]

the ick was a rep9mse to baldurs gste 5% off. gmm

[finite saffron]

technically speaking they are manipulative

it's just a manipulation that most consumers are fine with

[solid canopy]

oh my bad Endalrin

lolol @finite saffron I mean if you want to manipulate me with cheaper price I won't complain

[vague galleon]

ya i meant to respond to @reef bobcat s post.

[finite saffron]

5% off makes sense tbh, it's already one of the most critically acclaimed and famous games like... ever. The price is gonna stay high for a long time

[vague galleon]

im beyond mad that nintendos super mario remake is 60 dollars.