references♥_1450-1470

[toxic breach]

Hard but out of date

[west cipher]

Yes, I missed the time period.

[toxic breach]

Don't take this to heart but you missed again for the most part; that brigandine is the only period-appropriate piece. Otherwise, that tegulated plate/bekhterets-like thing would be several centuries too old for Half Sword

At best, it and the last cuirass looks like something from an alla antica illustrtion

If I had to guess it's likely drawn from Karlsruhe Passion but it's an antique scene with wacky attire

[toxic breach]

void harness lol

[fleet junco]

wtf

[terse bronze]

that's netherite dude...

[toxic breach]

Vantablack armor

[verbal bramble]

Anyone can tell me the regional style of these elbow pieces? I am looking for articulated elbow pieces like these ones, but the style of gothic armor (rather than the usual floating elbows in gothic armor), but I can't seem to find anything other than a few depictions in The Thun Sketchbook:

[next orchid]

One of my favs

Old guy with the command baton goes hard

[lofty dome]

Sorry out of context but why the game sound channel is gone ?

[blazing garden]

mecha willie

[fleet junco]

No use

[amber parrot]

most effective armour

[silver heart]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[toxic breach]

The flickr site contains lots of individual details, but little information. I purchased a book covering this piece and, turns out, that Allesandro Sforza's head was likely drawn separately from his body and possibly glued on later. Interestang

[terse bronze]

;3

[toxic breach]

https://www.wga.hu/html/w/weyden/rogier/13variou/7sforza2.html young man does this link work for you

[terse bronze]

:3

[white fulcrum]

lol i commented on his insta post the other day

[midnight wadi]

and he's wielding a knife

[midnight wadi]

the plume hurts my soul

[fleet junco]

Brig

[toxic breach]

Sigma fit

[robust tendon]

it fills my soul

[void stream]

it's not a reference but a question could someone tell me if this skirt armor fits the period of the game? Or it's too late for the game?

it's at times like these that I need you crecy or Kevlar

[toxic breach]

Length- and shape-wise, probably. Some plate harnesses have long tonlets. But the tegulated plate composition is odd

long

[void stream]

ok thanks

[robust tendon]

the skirts work as maximillian mentioned but this specific harness does not

i don’t think tonlets pre 16th cent were that “flared out” though

[wraith pewter]

The harness you posted is a tournament armour for foot commissioned around 1520 for Henry VIII. Tonlets like the one you see in the image there really became en vogue during the early 16th century, so they wouldn't really fit into the game's time period

The harness itself is kept in the RA: https://royalarmouries.org/collection/object/object-20

[silver heart]

he always had some fly tourney kit

[fleet junco]

did tourneys have weight classes

[wraith pewter]

No

[fleet junco]

fire

[wraith pewter]

Weight classes are a product of contemporary sporting AFAIK, so they're a fairly new phenomenon

I used to know the exact date for it, but it's in line with early 16th armour of German make or influence, I'd say third decade, maybe fourth but thats pushing it a bit, so 1520s-30s,

[silver heart]

1530s seems most apt

[wraith pewter]

Ehh, that's definitely towards the upper end of my date range, fluting like that really didn't last long past 1530, but it was still done. The scale pattern though is characteristic of Northern German armours around the late 1520s to early 1530s

But definitely not past that

[terse bronze]

https://www.khm.at/objektdb/detail/502569/

this would would bbbaaaaaaaarely fit

photo for lazy fucks

[vocal vale]

imo it's too stylistically 1500's to fit in game

would clash heavy with the earlier stuff

[turbid shadow]

Yeah

https://youtu.be/6eesOaSTNQs?si=aZHk3W-t4tJ8TdK-

[silver heart]

yeah, should’ve specified to early 1530’s my b

[prisma raven]

https://www.bonhams.com/auction/21413/lot/82/german-school-circa-1480-the-crucifixion/?fbclid=IwY2xjawItvQVleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHbyj-6F_J2k5Lhg6RAonCbBO4iZs073gIBggPs2e5eXWTipPDOSuxY6w_A_aem_o-wU3TSQLilmICfQV-D-zQ

[next orchid]

cool anachronism in the last image

[silver heart]

muh hounskull

[toxic breach]

giornea under plack (1431-56)

[prisma raven]

Literally me

[silver heart]

blud needs to hit the bathhouse😭🙏

[toxic breach]

The captions specify the dates👀

[noble cedar]

It’s close enough couldn’t find any other depictions of a round shield in this time pireod

[toxic breach]

50-100 years is relatively far from the game's date. There are more accurate round shield references

[toxic breach]

goat hand gloves

[verbal bramble]

Love it!

[prisma raven]

Details, St Blaise, the Virgin of Mercy and St Thomas Becket Altarpiece ca. 1431 - 1456, Anento - Church of San Blas, Aragon, Spain.

panzerhosen

[prisma raven]

More examples

[silver heart]

lubv the first fellow

[terse bronze]

BnF, Français 257

Votivtafel, Karlsruhe, Bernhard von Baden, privat. 1480-84

[forest tiger]

ok sorry to ask question, anyone know good sources for images of arms/armour

[toxic breach]

Pinterest

[fleet junco]

Facebook

[forest tiger]

i might genuinely be stupid

[fleet junco]

Litterally....

[forest tiger]

erm that says 1350!$!4b1mnr2n

[fleet junco]

im coming for you

[forest tiger]

all of my helmet images come from

a single pdf

[terse bronze]

#1343227750781030410 message

and scroll down

[white fulcrum]

https://ca.pinterest.com/tbiliter/
https://ca.pinterest.com/macs_shop/
a couple good pinterest pages

@terse bronze you should save these somewhere as well!

[robust tendon]

hit or miss imo

facebook is best unfortunately

or ig

[silver heart]

glaive fella

[lone osprey]

Whoa that second one in front of the audience

[lone osprey]

Hmongcore if ive ever seen it

[fleet junco]

liabcore

[prisma raven]

Dommuseum - Altarpiece, 1465 : detail - St Michael fighting the Devil and St Augustine

Dommuseum - Altarpiece, 1465 : detail - St ? and St George

[terse bronze]

Franc-archer 1450s

[next orchid]

he's english

on account of the bow

silly mistake on ur part

[terse bronze]

i could kill you

[zenith scroll]

I mean there are drawings of franc archers using a similar enough style of bow are there not?

[next orchid]

Northern France used longbows

And parts of Burgundy and Flanders (those parts have no pattern from what I've seen, unlike France)

The peasantry in northern Italy also used bows, many being longbows naturally

Scots likewise (lowlands; highlands preferred shorter, but still powerful, bows)

Probably western Germany, although where the walloons end and the almains begins is hard to tell

Oh yeah also Brittany

[zenith scroll]

Yeah I mean like, how is this english on account of the bow? Is it just the style?

[next orchid]

I was just fucking with him lol

[zenith scroll]

ah

tomfoolery is noted

[terse bronze]

it's well known that france only used crossbows and handgonnes

[next orchid]

truth nuke

the 2nd one pisses me off lol. its so funny that they were some of the last to actually switch and now theyre known as the handgun people

paris still had longbowmen for its defense in the 1540s i think lol

(actual military wise, they stopped using bows and crossbows seriously seemingly some time in the 1520s and 1530s)

[terse bronze]

I think it has a lot to do with France historically being huge on artillery

& such

[next orchid]

yeah

they loved their cannons, and they had a few handguns too

[terse bronze]

we still do love our arty

[toxic breach]

blue shoe

[robust tendon]

hard

[robust tendon]

one could even call it a bloe

[void stream]

tiny eyes

[terse bronze]

Straight messer gaming

knives and their offsprings

A drawing of Triptych from Włocławek 1450-1460 (cool flail)

1450, Jacopo Bellini

[lone osprey]

sleevius maximus

[lone osprey]

i want that armet in this game

[rocky sand]

Is this shield a pavise?

[vocal vale]

byeah

[vocal vale]

knifty

[rocky sand]

thx

[rocky sand]

What is this shield?

[toxic breach]

heater shielde

[rocky sand]

thx

[robust tendon]

also known as an escu

[fleet junco]

Also known as

[toxic breach]

The liab

[fleet junco]

.

[silver heart]

found this piece of vivarini’s from 1477 to be pretty neat

[fleet junco]

hugemiungus

[clever bramble]

Attention our beloved Historical buffs!

We have convinced Ivan that the lectures he gives during development meetings would make for really great community content, especially for those who are focused on the observations of historical armor and historical integrity.

So here is the idea - We would like to know what topics you would like to hear discussed directly around our research process. The more specific things you want discussed the better! Your questions and suggestion topics will then be compiled and Ivan will make a presentation on his observations and an insight of what we are developing.

These are not intended to be viewed as absolute or scholarly fact, there is always room for error when it comes to this research. This will also open the door for feedback from those who may have found something in their own research that we may have overlooked.

This message will be turned into a thread. Feedback from all is welcome not only those tagged.

@terse bronze @robust tendon @vocal vale @turbid shadow @candid dawn

[fleet junco]

@toxic breach

[toxic breach]

@fleet junco

[fleet junco]

yeah buddy join the thread

[toxic breach]

So what is it aboute

[untold brook]

Absolutely love this game. Really like that my armor for HEMA harnishfechten is in it. Really feels like im in the game

[fleet junco]

u look really awesome

@vocal vale this guy looks really awesome

[toxic breach]

That brigandine is sexy

[untold brook]

he made it himself, took him like 2 months

[fleet junco]

thats fire

i like the other guys in armor just sitting down and just hanging out

[untold brook]

Good group

[vocal vale]

hell yeah man

livin the dream

[untold brook]

real

[silver heart]

forever jealous

me and sam are FIENDING for some harnishfecthen in our state but, alas, all we get is muh amma

[untold brook]

what state?

pm me

[zenith forge]

I love the Armet/Close helmet

So nifty

[untold brook]

it is my fav for sure

[white fulcrum]

this looks amazing!! similar to what id want

[next orchid]

u gotta be the one who starts it smh

[turbid shadow]

Awesome stuff man!

[fleet junco]

is that you kevlar

[toxic breach]

Yes it he

[untold brook]

love

[silver heart]

once we have the money i’m sure we’d both happily do so😭🙏

[void stream]

Source: 32-6/ Français 8266 - GALLICA

[toxic breach]

wat

[turbid shadow]

certified venetian fail

[civic glade]

Brig is quite a skinny guy

Is this even a usable visor?

[untold brook]

Hes got a 28” waist

[civic glade]

Holy shit dude

Apparently the us average is 40

[untold brook]

Im 45” lol

[brave rune]

Breathabale barely

Ima isntall game again shpudl i get demo one

[white fulcrum]

oh yikes...

[fleet junco]

Fig 16

[next orchid]

yo same i'll be able to steal his armor

[midnight wadi]

brigandine

[terse bronze]

did you really have to ping me

[silver heart]

and here’s the b r i g a n d i n e

[silver heart]

:3

[terse bronze]

but here's the brigand:

[lost pawn]

he dididnt want to know that he was killing someone

[lost pawn]

lowkey i would buy this fit 100%

[fleet junco]

Is that historically accurate

[fleet junco]

The hat

[fleet junco]

@terse bronze were painted bascinets like this real

[silver heart]

i think bascinets covered with textiles were more common as opposed to those of a painted variety, german art from 1380-1400 depicts them quite a bit

[fleet junco]

Thats prety cooo

[toxic breach]

Coo

[fleet junco]

https://tenor.com/view/bow-arrows-shoot-hit-gif-12968662

With or without the arrows in the helmet

[silver heart]

blud in the second one used wheels of cheese as references for his besagews for the armor smith😭🙏

[zenith forge]

Bashford Dean <3

[bright token]

He’s holding a halberd right?

It’s not a voulge is it?

[vocal vale]

they're regional terms, generally

they have their loose associations with the regional forms but if a frenchman saw a halberd he'd call it a voulge

you get the idea

at this point i classify anything long, that can cut, that isnt a pollaxe, a halberd

[bright token]

Thank you 😄

Time to ink this drawing and post it

[fleet junco]

Yuh

[next orchid]

No he'd call it a hallebarde or hache lmao

[toxic breach]

What would an American call it

Or a Canadian.

[next orchid]

waagaakwad

[toxic breach]

Noting this down.

[terse bronze]

@next orchid

[next orchid]

thats a new one

[terse bronze]

Pretty much exactly what I said

[next orchid]

garbled french has been a pasttime of the english for a long time though tbh

im a beckter corbin truther now

[terse bronze]

I'm le bed du corban

[next orchid]

a mimir

[terse bronze]

Becky the corbin was a nice one

[toxic breach]

Beak of the corbin

[next orchid]

raven's beak

[toxic breach]

[robust tendon]

the beckter can really wreck platemail shit up

[terse bronze]

can it do it better than a handgonne doe

[next orchid]

grrr

[void stream]

Nuno Gonçalves, Panels of St. Vincent: Panel of the Archbishop, ca. 1470's | National Museum of Ancient Art, Lisbon

[bright token]

pointy bascinet?

or armet?

full pic i got from facebook lol

[terse bronze]

those arent meant to be taken literally btw

[bright token]

Okay got it, it's one of those fantasy helmet drawn by medieval artist 👍

[void stream]

if I'm not mistaken I've seen a helmet that looks a lot like the one in the illustration in the manuscript and I'm trying to find the photo

well nevermind i ended up confusing myself with this visor in the image below

for what reason I really don't know

[next orchid]

bro

[next orchid]

no its an attempt by the artist to portray an older period

[bright token]

Thank you bro

[next orchid]

this pops up in this channel every other week astaghfirullah

[bright token]

I'm sorry you have to see it again 😭

[next orchid]

mull connected it to this visor

[terse bronze]

mull metatron type incident

[next orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/haram-heisenberg-gif-20680378

[next orchid]

the swiss armor style

armets with bascinet visors

oversized bucklers

[terse bronze]

erm actually

[next orchid]

i think that one is legit actually

but not theyre not 1470 swiss!!!

[terse bronze]

true

[bright token]

If it's 1400-1420 it would make sense right?

[terse bronze]

yur

for south east france/northern italian somewhere

ig spanish too so

https://www.flickr.com/photos/94185526@N04/24139780084

:3

the franco italian swiss style!!!

[bright token]

Sometimes I wonder what style of armour did Parisian knights like to wear lol

[next orchid]

its not abt making sense, but theyre just not the same helmets

[terse bronze]

why specifically parisian lol

Italian export, flemish, ect

[bright token]

Uh, it gonna sound dumb but it comes from this idea I have in my head that French knight/man-at-arms from provinces near Germany and the Low Countries probably wore German or Flemish armour. 🗿

[terse bronze]

german highly doubt it

not to say I don't believe it

flemish on the other hand that's whay more probable

[bright token]

Gosh those are lovely armour drawing

[bright token]

Who draw this btw?

[terse bronze]

me honestly

[terse bronze]

those are from tobias capwell's book but i forgot who draw them

[bright token]

Oh ok

[turbid shadow]

this one goes insanely hard

[next orchid]

shield for a nephilim

[next orchid]

AK1447

3 years out of date

sorry

[silver heart]

vro on the left wanted to be german so bad😭🙏

[vocal vale]

talhoffer 1448

[toxic breach]

what a silly little boy.

[terse bronze]

quite different

[vocal vale]

very similar visor

[terse bronze]

it's a pointy visor

[vocal vale]

just something i figured interesting

[terse bronze]

:3

[next orchid]

death to you

[silver heart]

are those supposed to be great bascinets? or am i bugging

[vocal vale]

methinks early close helms or “bicoques”

[silver heart]

oooo neat neat, knowing what i know is prolly say bicoques, unless thats just another term for an early close helm, ik they were pretty prominent amongst the germans

[vocal vale]

bicoque is an erroneous term for an early close helm

or a term applied to german grand bascinets / armets

but a lot of them, and the regional trademark, open like early close helms

though they are not only found in germany

[silver heart]

ahhh gotcha gotcha, prolly why i figured they were great bascinets

[silver heart]

yeah i was gonna say the hinges seemed similar

[silver heart]

boyyyy why you so rondel

[fleet junco]

Were there any names for the big couters

[toxic breach]

couter la grande

[fleet junco]

grand couter

[vocal vale]

from what i have seen, nothing special nor short enough to use

if i’m differentiating the two from an arm harness i sometimes say major / minor

[fleet junco]

major couter

[robust tendon]

yeah bascinets with hounskulls specifically pop up in art of biblical scenes too

[lost pawn]

if a medieval person ate a cheeseburger would he combust

[terse bronze]

So bread, meat and cheese?

I think he'd be fine

[next orchid]

u will also see kastenbrusts at the end of the 15th century or the early 16th century in German art for the same reasons

people dont really give enough credit to the medievals, they were definitely aware that armor, clothing, etc. was changing over time, and it is plain to see in their art

literature too tbh

[sacred cove]

What is the overgarment called?

[terse bronze]

Schecke

[sacred cove]

And the openings in the sleeves are for more room for the arm armour?

Or is a stylistic choice, where you can show the steel underneath?

[terse bronze]

Not necessarily

it's both kinda

[sacred cove]

Do you know any good books for these more obscure things?

[terse bronze]

since schecken and such other similar garment often have slits on the arms so the wearer than have a sleeveless garment if that makes sense

[sacred cove]

Or any good books about Medieval armour.

[terse bronze]

like that, but this mf is from france but essentially the same principle

[terse bronze]

If you want good books about arms and armors you'd have to look for specialized stuff

so far i have these : (some are in french)

[sacred cove]

I found a book made by Alan Williams. (Alan R. Williams, Ph.D. (1974) in History of Science, University of Manchester, is Visiting Research Fellow, Engineering Department, Reading University. He has published extensively on the metallurgy of armour and weapons, and is the co-author of The Royal Armoury at Greenwich (1995).) Called The Knight and the Blast Furnace: A History of the Metallurgy of Armour in the Middle Ages & the Early Modern Period (History of Warfare, 12)

[terse bronze]

Very good book that one

[sacred cove]

965 pages.

[prisma raven]

Reproduction of a closed helmet, by Per Lillelund Jensen

Hugo van der Goes, Netherlandish, c. 1440 - 1482, Saint George and the Dragon.

[silver heart]

i was gonna say, doesn’t mair depict kastenbrust in his armored stuff?

[next orchid]

sallets too

[toxic breach]

kid named sallet and scheke

silly little sallet + bevor and stirrups

[toxic breach]

Dresden museum entry; unsure of dating but looks period appropriate

except wtf is that middle weapon fella!!!!!!!

[prisma raven]

Master of Palanquinos. Pedro de Mayorga and Collaborator. Altarpiece of Santa Marina C. 1500.

[toxic breach]

You can never be sure with these sallets.

[vocal vale]

reminded me of this from the pastrana tapestries, i have never seen those other kinds

[toxic breach]

That lower part looks like it's situated too low. Would there be a gap between the upper and lower details?

[fleet junco]

post more soft kits

[robust tendon]

1544

[void stream]

Lyversberg Passion 1464-1466 around Cologne

[silver heart]

mauld !!!

[floral harbor]

@terse bronze bum

[terse bronze]

mew

[lone osprey]

these three are especially helpful for the names of clothing. although the first two you can only be sure that they're modern names, and the First Book of Fashion is about Matthäus Schwarz who was only born in 1497 - but it's a great primary source for the names of clothes around the turn of the 16th century still. the saddest part about Matthaus is that he sometimes says he explains things in more detail in his other book The Course of the World, but he destroyed the book :/

[fleet junco]

Add his moustache

[vocal vale]

love the bottom of the pauldron

[toxic breach]

alla antica but cool 2handed mace

[robust tendon]

the spiker

[toxic breach]

This isn't the screenshot channel

[sullen charm]

shiiiit

whhat is the ss channel

[toxic breach]

#halfsword-chat-⚔ #photography📷

[bright token]

Love this style of fluting on cuirass

[fleet junco]

which one

[vocal vale]

the two that are visible have it

it’s french

[toxic breach]

big man d'armet

[fleet junco]

Which one

[bright token]

sorry i should have point out who Im talking about, here 😄

[fleet junco]

i think it cool

[bright token]

Yeahhh 🤝

[toxic breach]

the tube

[untold brook]

Got to go to this last year, was a blast. Missed this one

[silver heart]

did you get to meet ser capwell

[untold brook]

yes, and matt easton et al

[void stream]

Kastenbrust my beloved

[toxic breach]

out of date!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this is from Van Eyck's 1436 Ghent altarpiece.

jk

[void stream]

dang it

I didn't think anyone would notice

damn you

[toxic breach]

Why did the sallet man crash out on the other guy
Assuming they're from the same scene

[bright token]

Love that in 4th pic there are 2 knights fighting in the back lol

Nice arming sword, I think I’ve seen sword similar to this one in the game

[fleet junco]

not fitting in the games reigon

[sullen charm]

add another regions

ethopia looks great also it new to this typs of games

[fleet junco]

no

[sullen charm]

it can be a good advertisment

[fleet junco]

uhhh

[next orchid]

add 1470 samurai

with katana

[sullen charm]

Reverse curved swords

You don't need to add a lot just add some weapons frome another regions

[fleet junco]

add the americans....

[civic glade]

What book outs this from? So hard to find sources on African warfare

[sullen charm]

google

[civic glade]

Rage

Fury

[sullen charm]

Search for the names of African countries in the past and search for anything related to them until you find what you want

Search for abyssnian warrior@civic glade

[toxic breach]

Devs explicitly stated the game is going to cover Western Europe. These are largely redundant references

[civic glade]

i was really trying to find stuff for west african 'medieval' (problematic term i know) warfare

and thats very scarce

i found some okay text sources

but western colonialism really fucked up the historical record there

[vocal vale]

do not post unrelated references

[verbal bramble]

Question: How trustworthy are the chronicles of Diebold Schilling the Elder regarding swiss armor? I am trying to find any references for specifically swiss armor

[toxic breach]

Depends which chronicle you're addressing
If it's his Berne Chronicle, documenting the 1470s Burgundian Wars, then his depiction of Swiss armor is likely more or less reliable as he is depicting contemporary events, arms and armor
Regarding the plate armor specifically in Switzerland, it likely would just be modeled after German Gothic styles (given the proximity to German lands) or Alla tedesca (Milanese harness with German influences e.g. prominent fluting)
This is a dead Burgundian knight (evidenced by the X which Diebold uses to designate Burgundians) from Schilling's Berne Chronicle. But I think he just assigned the Burgundian knight Gothic plate because that's what he had access to visually ...

[verbal bramble]

Hmm, I've noticed they all have big round besagews: Is that a swiss thing or an illustration thing?

[toxic breach]

If it's Schilling's 1480 Spiez Chronicle, then it must be examined with caution because it chronicles events dating centuries before 15th century
e.g. these bascinets didn't exist in 1480; he is depicting the battle of Laupen (which happened in 1339)

[toxic breach]

I don't think it's exclusively Swiss, big besagews and rondels on helmets appear across paintings from different cultures (but I commonly found them on German pieces0

[verbal bramble]

So it is not a swiss thing, but it is a thing of their armor rather than a thing on the illustrations, no?

Would the fluting be more or less the same as the typical gothic style? Or would it have some differences?

[toxic breach]

I'm not sure I understand. But it the prominent besagews and rondels are not exclusive to Schilling's iconography

[toxic breach]

Shrug
I'm unsure if there's a typology of fluting in Gothic harnesses

[verbal bramble]

What I meant is: Would it appear in the armors Schilling represented? Or is it something that Schilling made up? (Though, I am inclined to believe the former)

[verbal bramble]

Hmm... Fair enough

[toxic breach]

They are not Schilling's inventiona as big rondels and besagews appear in earlier illustrations

[verbal bramble]

Right, so indeed, they would appear in the original armors

[toxic breach]

of course rondels are commonplace

[verbal bramble]

Yeah- My concern was if it appeared in swiss armor or nah

I assume it does

[toxic breach]

Why not. Rondels aren't limited to certain regions

[forest tiger]

We do need more medieval fencing sims based in areas other then Western Europe, but adding different regions to this game is whack unless if they add mod support

Half sword-style samurai fighting sims would be cool

[sullen charm]

making 3d living biengs withaout cutting thim head is haram

it was a sin to till you making them

[terse bronze]

wha

[toxic breach]

wat

[forest tiger]

i guess but

im not muslim

[sullen charm]

be a muslim

[forest tiger]

no

with respect

[terse bronze]

no

without respect

[toxic breach]

https://tenor.com/view/white-tail-deer-therian-white-tail-deer-therian-gif-24614263

Why are you bringing up religious discussion in the reference channel .... like wat..

[turbid shadow]

A reminder that this channel is exclusively for posting arms and armor references for the game. And not a place to discuss religion.

[white fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-bro-youre-weird-gif-25766261

[toxic breach]

hamr

[fallen schooner]

Apologies beforehand if this is the wrong place to ask, but are shield mittens such as these actually historical? Or are they just implements for modern sport combat?

[robust tendon]

no

[lone topaz]

its based on something historical but the design itself is not

[robust tendon]

very loosely based it looks like

[lone topaz]

very.

[toxic breach]

Modern novelty, but mitten shapes gauntlets existed

[lone osprey]

i would flip out if i had as many sleeves and besagews as that tomb watcher

[lone osprey]

wonder whats going on here

is that like one of those samurai clubs

[lone osprey]

an interesting thing about this altarpiece is that art historians consider the inscription on the right side of the crupper to have been inspired by van Eyck's pseudo greek/roman lettered motto because they interpret it as the same phrase

so its okay that van Eyck is out of the timeframe Conraid Laib continues his style of knight deliberately

[robust tendon]

I vaguely remember a 13th cent depiction of a two handed club like this

[robust tendon]

just a club

[lone osprey]

a studded club

club like that would wreck in HS
but its probably just some exotic anachronism

[toxic breach]

The besagew

[gaunt gust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1163915308260659293/1326556707073298432/VID_20250106_145855_848.gif

[snow flower]

https://tenor.com/view/image-perm-bad-piggies-drip-gif-23469521

[fervent vine]

What’s this channel is about?

[toxic breach]

Posting period- and region-accurate materials so devs may potentially add them to the game in the future

[terse bronze]

#references♥_1450-1470 message

[empty shale]

center right slaps

[hallow fiber]

That style of houppelande is mostly from the first half of the 15th century maybe even first quarter, I am not sure they were still popular by the 1440s.

[sacred cove]

Do you know any books about medieval clothing?

@terse bronze

[fervent vine]

Oh

[fleet junco]

Chicken butt

[toxic breach]

fit of the sigma.

[next orchid]

Tube doublet

[late bobcat]

dzq

[toxic breach]

slayful hosen patterns

[toxic breach]

liabian shield

[robust tendon]

partial gilding

my beloved

also that thing he wears on his head is cool

would look cooler on a helmet

[bright token]

Are they wearing late form of kastenbrust?

[fleet junco]

We already have the 4th onr

[toxic breach]

But we do not have the liab

[fleet junco]

I agree

[silver heart]

i believe so

[forest tiger]

Devs give us the owl targe

[toxic breach]

Yes do so at once

[lone osprey]

I thought you hate burgund

[terse bronze]

know you enemy..

I hate english but i can say they looked cool

[toxic breach]

burgund

Burg

[lone osprey]

this is cool
https://archiv.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/volltextserver/17203/
the dissertation is in english and the download comes with a lot of pictures and some cool videos

[lone osprey]

take it with a huge grain of salt though cause he also says stuff like that because a trojan war illustration depicted jousting helms, "it could occasionally also be used in battle" which isnt safe to conclude from that tbh. still I think a really cool resource

[bright token]

I love his cuirass, looks like it has double plackart? Is he from a reenactment group?

[tiny valve]

The japanese club you are mentionning is called a Tetsubo/Kanabo

[magic geyser]

did aventails exist for helmets besides bascinettes?

i havent seen any iconography of them but i have seen a few examples of re enactors with kettles using them

[carmine moon]

yeah

i was gonna say

pretty sure kettle helms are used with aventails as well

i think its plausible

\

[vocal vale]

armets

[vocal vale]

i’m a little more apprehensive to vouch for this

[carmine moon]

ive seen reenactors with them as the guy said

i think it's completely plausible but then again if you were to use a aventail why not use a helmet with much more coverage already

so ig

[vocal vale]

i haven’t really looked at extant kettle hats

I’ll get back to y’all eventually .

[ruby swift]

Zweihander

[robust jolt]

Not historically accurate whatsoever, but looks cool.

[vocal vale]

doesn’t fit the time period and looks built wrong

[toxic breach]

Ai generated zweihander

[terse bronze]

i generated this zweihander

[next orchid]

Sry we don't use terms like "zweihander" here

Only trve 3nglish words such as "slaugh sword"

(dutch)

[jaunty pebble]

That sword is called a montante.
Zwei is the word for two
Hander goes for hands
Hence two handed sword.

But there are names and different techniques for each of them.
That montante looks very heavy, thick blade, but usually is to be used vs multiple opponents in spinning motions
Half sword in that spike area and you pretty much got a longsword for 1v1 with extra threat coverage against an opponent trying to escape your reach.

[next orchid]

Actually montante is just the Iberian term for the great two handed sword

Hence why they called some of the Aztec swords "montantes"

[terse bronze]

outnerded

I would say espadon but that's a fish

[jaunty pebble]

"the great" > "great"
Montante is meant for war, so in theory it's meant to be atleast bigger than an usual greatsword, not to be mistaken for a longsword.
not only reconigzed as a term, but an actual model of weapon with significative and distinct diferences, so both are right

What worries me is that I was already writing this reply way before a toxic member decided to show up to cause again.

[terse bronze]

tf you on about

@next orchid Are you familiar with germanophone sources? i've seen the word Schlachtschwert thrown around but can't recall the sauce

[jaunty pebble]

"outnerded"
Salty asf, atleast cannon added up something useful.
Can't have a decent chat with anyone in any channel someone hops to troll or say random shit.

[next orchid]

Yes that's the normal term used in German sources. I think there's one other that is also common but I can't remember

[terse bronze]

Bro getting mad at a literal joke

[terse bronze]

Dope

[jaunty pebble]

kid..

[next orchid]

I'll give source later

[terse bronze]

I wish i could read german!!!

[next orchid]

I hate finding German stuff

[next orchid]

Even if u could u could hardly read the medieval shit and also they're not even transcribed online 80% of the time

Stone age ass germans

[terse bronze]

😭

[next orchid]

Medieval to 1550 German is so ass bro

If u've ever seen 14th c. Occitan region French, it's worse than that

[terse bronze]

have you seen that nazi propaganda poster written in faux-broken ass medieval german

funniest shit

[next orchid]

Also no tools to help you (unlike French)

[next orchid]

Lmao

[terse bronze]

Just ask a old guy there, he probably still talk the exact same language ...

[next orchid]

Lmfao

[terse bronze]

Except if it's Langedocian and not Provençal or something

Cuz they stay very similar but words do change

[next orchid]

Holy larp

[terse bronze]

art thou event democratic

[next orchid]

The one I read I don't think was langedocian. Maybe except with some regional terms thrown in. But the spelling was so awful to guess the words lol

It was some ordinance

Reconfirmed by the king I mean

[terse bronze]

Do you have it?

[next orchid]

No but I can look later if u want

[terse bronze]

Sure thing feel free to dm i'm curious

[next orchid]

It mentions bows 0 times lol (only crossbows)

Occitania truther

[terse bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/occitania-flag-windy-gif-12055393

not even words like "arquet" ? i think that's one of the langedocian words for arc

[next orchid]

Iirc no

Pretty much none of the works from southern France I've seen even like to mention bows at all, except when mentioning Englishmen or something lol

[terse bronze]

banger

crossbows?

[next orchid]

Yeah just crossbows

[terse bronze]

arbaleste 🤓

[next orchid]

Arbalest 😏

[terse bronze]

i love my countrymen

[next orchid]

Arblast is my favorite English spelling variant

Arblaster

[kind bronze]

What is this

[terse bronze]

@kind bronze

[kind bronze]

thanks

[white fulcrum]

soggy tissue paper skin

[lone osprey]

Erhard Schön 1532-42
Mit den Schlachtschwerten halt wir drauff

[terse bronze]

banger

boys will see a bec de faucon and say "hell yeah"

hell yeah

[modern bridge]

hell yeah

[prisma raven]

hell yeah

[next orchid]

late but...

the dutch word was similar, but pronounced more like the english term, slaugh sword

which entered the english lexicon at least as early as 1548, but i suspect around 1544 with the english invasion

"The Wiffelers on foote, iiii.C. [300] propre and lyght persones all apparelled in whyte sylke or Ierkyns of lether cutte, with whyte hose and shoes, euery man hauyng a iauelyn or slaughsword to keepe the people in aray & chaynes about their neckes, & whyte fethers in their cappes."

• Edward Hall, The Vnion of the Two Noble and Illustre Famelies of Lancastre & Yorke, 1548

[void stream]

Tours BM MS.218 Hours of Charles V

[void stream]

Portrait of Jörg von Pottendorf around 1467

[white fulcrum]

beckter carabiner

[toxic breach]

hell yeah

[kind nexus]

Hell yeah

[next orchid]

posted it again award

[verbal bramble]

Mitten-like gauntlets did exist, but this one does not follow a historical design

[void stream]

Ok

[void stream]

Don't worry, next time I will look at the entire reference channel before posting any references.

[lone osprey]

im sorry i must post the higher res to redeem burgkmair even if its 1519

[silver heart]

hell yeah

[silver heart]

but here’s the lurker

[summer harness]

The sneaky

[next orchid]

i was just being funny 😔

[white fulcrum]

please... i NEED the piero della francesca armet.. hapsord devs

[vocal vale]

what am i looking at

does he have an angler fish helmet

[silver heart]

https://tenor.com/view/pressure-roblox-roblox-pressure-roblox-memes-roblox-meme-roblox-angler-gif-4851162048249086980

[zenith forge]

God I love the Armet

When is that from

[terse bronze]

between 1452 & 1466

[zenith forge]

Cool

What country?

[terse bronze]

"piero della francesca"

Italy

[bright token]

Do you guys think the knight in circle is wearing this sort of kastenbrust or good old german gothic armour? Saved from MS Thott.290.2º on wikitenauer

Also what a nice ref for sallets and kettle hats lol

[haughty creek]

It looks like a Plakart

[terse bronze]

It definitely does have a placard but that doesn't matter, kastenbrust are seen in the game's timeframe

me

[terse bronze]

Arsenal Ms 5084

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b55009568r/f47.item

[bright token]

Very nice!

[bright token]

Bascinet visor sallet is cool

But it probably show up only in 15th century art that’s depicting the past right?

[toxic breach]

Probably ....that particular fragment looks like a Biblical scene

[terse bronze]

it's from Chronique du Hainaut

do what you want with this information but most equipment in those scenes rarely look antiquated

"Quadro di Sant'Andrea" also called "Pala di San Ginesio" by Nicola da Siena, 1463 @white fulcrum

[terse bronze]

Flore de virtu e de costumi (Brit. Lib. Harley 3448, fol. 36v), 2nd quarter of the 15th century

[lone osprey]

More games should have horns

[verbal bramble]

Hehe- as a marine biology enthusiast, I approve

[fleet junco]

Kastens

[toxic breach]

[fleet junco]

add germans

[cyan pasture]

delete germans

[sullen charm]

Secretly add back Germans in a DLC pack

[small moss]

@silver heart probably a call sign to compile a folder or image collection of later kastenbrusts.

[silver heart]

hm?

[small moss]

for references

[silver heart]

love this smella

[toxic breach]

Blue shoe from chronique du Hainaut

bloe.

jackchain on scheke

(1484)

would b k00l if someone had more references of the low-hanging fringes for the hood

[terse bronze]

Also cool rearbrace

[lone osprey]

not that low but

my favorite fringed hoods are in early 16th
brueghel and maximilian and schwarz's trachtenbuch

[lone osprey]

the weird upper arm guards also appear in this festive context

[toxic breach]

yet none of them have blue shoes.

[lone osprey]

its over

not blueshoepilled

[vocal vale]

neat

[next orchid]

rearbrace is the pauldron 😏

[lone osprey]

thats really cool I assume the elbow guard is based on the vischers statue of otto iv of henneberg

[next orchid]

"upper vambrace" should be the term, which would mean "upper forearm" 😏

[terse bronze]

Ok!

[terse bronze]

It's garde-bras actually..... But goon off I guess...

[next orchid]

genuinely never seen pauldron or guard brace used in the same sentence as rear brace

[terse bronze]

Okies

[next orchid]

also i was just trying to be funny

[toxic breach]

1489 but cool hose from italian work on manual labor
https://www.hs-augsburg.de/~harsch/italica/Cronologia/secolo15/Seta/set_tril.html

[bright token]

If I recall correctly, pretty sure the entire harness is based of this statue

Made by Dragon Armourie 👍

[lone osprey]

whats he doing with that sausage

[lone osprey]

that's awesome
cool choice

[terse bronze]

Saint Florian hello

[silver heart]

(hopefully this hasn’t already been posted, less i face the wrath)

[robust tendon]

it has

you will be killed by sunset tomorrow

[silver heart]

: (

[bright token]

I gotta draw saint florian armour one of these days man

[silver heart]

you need to start taking commissions one of these days

(half joking)

(half, swording, you could say…)

[bright token]

more kastenbrust because why not

[fleet junco]

Goat bagpipe

[silver heart]

but here’s the melancholy

[fleet junco]

The sleeper

[void stream]

https://tenor.com/view/repost-running-me-on-my-way-to-say-repost-synapse-x-gif-19110255

[silver heart]

: (

[upper lintel]

What year is this from?

[silver heart]

1468-1475

[upper lintel]

Really good proportions for its time period

[white fulcrum]

ser brewvi more like brer sewvi

[silver heart]

GUHHHHH

[next orchid]

sword couching my beloved

[bright token]

What type of sword? Estoc?

[bitter pewter]

Did someone say…

ESTOC!?

[silver heart]

i think i’m stupid because, i can’t see it

[silver heart]

OHHHHH

thank you ser sam

[fleet junco]

large rondel dagger

[lunar bramble]

what is this channel for?

[lunar bramble]

ahh

ok

thanks

[zenith forge]

Man I wish I could own armor

Way too expensive for me

Though I'd love to do smithing some day

Maybe

Doubt I could afford to

[next orchid]

Well yes but only in the sense that it is pointy

[bright token]

Okay 😄

[next orchid]

Surprised u didn't know this lol

[silver heart]

oh no like, i knew about sword couching, i just couldnt see it in the actual image itself

[next orchid]

oh no i meant the image

cuz the sword couching being done in the battle of san romano painting is super famous lol

i think arne kotes has a video on the weird couching done in the painting too

koets?

[silver heart]

i dont think i ever zoomed in on that particular part of it but ive seen the san romano stuff prior

[next orchid]

oh yeah i know uve seen it i just meant the specific sword couching part of the painting lol 😭

i think jean de joinville mentions a man using his sword "like a lance" or something

so quite an ancient practice

as a sidenote

[silver heart]

my asperger’s can’t pick up on context clues for the life of me my b

[terse bronze]

i dont like asparagus

[robust tendon]

when was this mentioned?

[next orchid]

I think when one of the knights goes running through a city. I'll check again

[robust tendon]

I meant like what century/year

cause you said it was an old practice

[next orchid]

13th c.

7th crusade

[robust tendon]

thanks

[next orchid]

And truly, so the King told me, Lord Geoffrey protected him from the Saracens just as a good servant protects his master's cup from flies; for whenever the Saracens tried to get near him, Lord Geoffrey would take his sword, which he had placed between himself and the saddle−bow, and put it under his arm, and turn round and make a dash at them, and drive them away from the King.

fernao lopes mentions something similar

[sturdy lily]

rondelman

[lunar schooner]

Some doodles from The fighting manual written by Hans Talhoffer (1459)

Hook shield?

[fleet junco]

how to have fun in medieval europe

[lunar schooner]

He also did some nice drawings of some weapons Incl some very bizzare shields?

Funny duel(?) Garb

[fleet junco]

did those really exist

[forest tiger]

how good was the plancon a picot historically? was it cheap? was it hard to maintain?

[terse bronze]

it's an infantry weapon

a plank with iron spikes

dirt cheap

don't even need maintenance

just replace the spikes or get another one entirely

dumb weap

[lone osprey]

The besagews arch nemesis

[sturdy lily]

[silver heart]

i don’t think they were as big as they are in game, more baseball bat sized i believe

[white fulcrum]

really cool buckler

[lunar schooner]

Ikr, would be a neat addition I think

Meta buckler bc it spiked

[white fulcrum]

@next orchid how effective was couching a sword really? considering its range im unsure of how useful it’d be when striking those on foot, and it would be outranged by a mounted foe using a lance. i guess it would be better suited against mounted enemies using maces/swords/etc

[next orchid]

It's just a method of bracing the sword. Other ways include bracing it on the thigh or on the saddle

"Some people plant their estoc on the arçon, and apply their legs or spurs to the horse and come ferociously with an encounter. But this is useless against those who know what they are doing, since we can easily displace his weapon with ours and strike to his face or any body-part we wish. For any weapon that extends for an encounter can be easily displaced as it approaches, since it comes gradually and without deception."

• Pietro Monte

(Monte's opinion)

"... his next refuge is his sword; whereof the best manner of using is to place the pummell of it upon his right thigh, and so with his right hand to direct or raise the point to his mark, higher or lower as occasion serveth: either at the bellie of the adverse horse-man (about the pummell of the saddle) or at his arm pits, or his throat, where if it pierce not, (as it is very like it will not fail, by slipping under the casque) yet meeting with a stay in that part of the bodie, where a man is very weak, and having a sword of a very stiffe blade, (as afore-said) it will doubtlesse unhorse him."

• John Cruso

(^as for the benefit)

[white fulcrum]

thank you, these quotes are helpful

[lone osprey]

I think it looks really cool. would love to see any other depictions because the san Romano is so cool to look at

[lone osprey]

I should be slapped for anime but doesnt guts do it when he stabs that kid in berserk

[night kindle]

“I like armor” Is the most valid statement to put as your description 🔥

[timber smelt]

This has probably been posted before but I really fw this

Mhm it’s a little long

[void stream]

Source: 23v-1/ Français 2258, BnF

[silver heart]

but here's the toothpick

[void stream]

it's only now that I realize the strange design of the swords lol they're more like pins

[zenith forge]

Did his armor get penetrated? It looks like there's a hole in the breastplate

Ahhh. Thanks for the clarification, I was really confused how it could be penetrated in such a way by a sword. I didn't even consider the fact it's the strap

[bright token]

I love this type of brigandine but it’s painful to draw. ☠️

Oh man the Leeds brigandine is tough to draw too

[lone osprey]

their purpose is unclear
isnt their purpose just to protect the head???

[silver heart]

indeed, i imagine if they were padded they’d go a decent ways in provisioning some good hearing protection as well

i’ve also read that they were geared towards protecting visor hinges but i’m not sure how true that is

[stark haven]

hello dear metal enthuziasts, i got a question, what whould be the best way to clean and sharpen a axe, i cleaned it with some lemon juice, i have some sand paper on hand, whould it be good to use?

[silver heart]

pommel looks nasty, like a mace almost, i love it

never seen that shade of blue used on straps before so that’s also quite neat

[fleet junco]

Turqouoise lether

[forest tiger]

whats that funny sword design

[rapid zenith]

They killed so many Na'vi to make that armor

[void stream]

what the hell is that white stuff coming out of his throat?

would it be saliva? Or something like that

[vocal vale]

oh

oh no

[lone osprey]

from 1893 August Demmin - Die Kriegswaffen in ihren geschichtlichen Entwickelungen 755-56

roughly translates like:
Awl-pike-esque two-handed sword with long double grip, like other two-handers but with round discs instead of crossguards, which were used in tournament foot combats in France - according to the 15th century "Ceremonies des Gages de bataille" in the BNF [the book with the illustration]. There are no known extant examples of this weapon.

el froggo on foot

illustration to Augustine so probably not trustworthy but looks cool to me

[vocal vale]

also shoulder mounted shields on foot

[lone osprey]

to be fair there might be precedent for that
I think a few trustworthy mss have illustrations with targes used in foot combats

[fleet junco]

can we add armor devs

[next orchid]

slung shields*

you can see the strap

[forest tiger]

devs can we add fighting?

[vocal vale]

i didn’t think there was a way to wear a shield on the shoulder that didn’t involve a strap in the first place

[forest tiger]

whats the weirdest medieval weapon you know

[lone osprey]

italian-flemish jousting armours have the flaon bolt for attaching jousting targes to the breastplate. and german stechtarges have a solution with a cord or fabric that goes through to fix them to stechzeug

[vocal vale]

neat

do you have any photos on hand

[vocal vale]

OHHHH

[vocal vale]

looking familiar now

cool cool cool

[next orchid]

yeah fuck swords

[terse bronze]

nah they're cool but they're kinda weird when you think about it

why would you bring a sword or even an epee to battle when you could bring a mace, hammer, becker corbain ??

[next orchid]

berckter corbine

exactly

[next orchid]

spears are better though

stick

get stick

[terse bronze]

THE KING OF THE BATTLEFIELD WOOOOOOO

[next orchid]

^

im almost at 200 quotes

[terse bronze]

what

[next orchid]

for my article

[terse bronze]

oh

you should just list ytb links to lindybeige or skallagrim or shad videos on the topic

[next orchid]

truth nuke

[terse bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/shad-shadiversity-get-stick-get-stick-gif-21571330

[next orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

[next orchid]

lmfao

me

[next orchid]

yeah i thought u meant those

but those shields slung at the shoulder should still have grips on the reverse side

[fleet junco]

buh

[lone osprey]

but what do the soles look like

[fleet junco]

it probably looks like leather

[terse bronze]

😭

[terse bronze]

like the sole of a shoe

sabatons aren't completely encassing the foot, they're just put on top of the shoe

and have no sole by themselves

[lone osprey]

but what colour are they

[robust tendon]

the beckter carbine

[terse bronze]

how does it matter

like a leather sole

[lone osprey]

im just havin a laff

[terse bronze]

Oke

i'm in this image

[robust tendon]

me tbh

[fleet junco]

is that you tbh

[robust tendon]

i think so

[fleet junco]

is that a basketnet or sallad

[robust tendon]

sallet

i hate the visor though ngl

would be better without

[fleet junco]

but i can jus stab ur face easily.....

[robust tendon]

im killing you

[terse bronze]

i'm this guy

[fleet junco]

are you that guy

[lone osprey]

me tbh

[fleet junco]

which one

[lone osprey]

the fella

[fleet junco]

will we ever get heroic armr

[next orchid]

burgundian armor

[terse bronze]

you're exploding soon

[next orchid]

cold war french my beloved

whats the one film where they fight aliens or something

[terse bronze]

les gendarmes et les extraterrestres ?

arguably the worst movie of the les gendarmes series tbh

[next orchid]

nah

ill try to find it again

[next orchid]

Le combat motorisé dans les localités

[terse bronze]

Ohhh thought you meant like a movie

[next orchid]

honestly i was working from memory

i couldnt remember if it was a real movie or an instructional film but i think its the latter

i mean, come on, white suits and blue faces? very silly lol

[terse bronze]

stop joking it was a real threat back in those days in rural france

[next orchid]

truth nuke

[terse bronze]

There was another video of these trainings but about fighting soviets

[next orchid]

truthers know france was protecting the West from these creatures

[terse bronze]

and a tad bit older since they were still using MAT-49

[next orchid]

neat

[terse bronze]

Imma send you some french cold war stuff in dms don't want to spam here

[next orchid]

true

[void stream]

"Calvary" Painting by Master of the Death of Saint Nicholas of Münster circa 1470-1480

Saint George and a Donor by Hans Memling

The Virgin and Child enthroned with Saint George by Lorenzo Costa

I'm inspired today

[silver heart]

LRAC F1

[void stream]

I think the breastplate is a bit big for him

maybe the size is XL or XXL

[vocal vale]

the hill jesus was crucified 'pon !

a cavalryman at calvary !

[ashen thorn]

Just think ..Using this ancient weapon like phycho in half sword

[forest tiger]

so uh

i looked a little deeper into it

and it looks fake

ok nvm

looking at it

it brings me to the conclusion its an indian whip-sword

called the urumi

but its

really ancient

and doesnt really fit

at all

cuz 1: its indian and 2: super old

so it is real

but

not at all fitting

and thats probably not an accurate recreation

[vocal vale]

you did not need to flood the channel with a dozen messages about one thing that is irrelevant to the game to begin with

[forest tiger]

idk

[forest tiger]

my fault gang

i do indubitably promise to never make this grievous error again

[fleet junco]

he will make the mistake again

[forest tiger]

100%

[robust tendon]

around 1470

[lone osprey]

was thinking about this more and I dont think that 130 year old encyolopaedia entry is very accurate. baffling conclusion I know.
firstly it's not for Fußturnier/tournament foot combat, the manuscript is about judicial combat.
secondly saying it's like an awl-pike just because of the disc shaped guard is misleading. it's more like other thrusting swords. probably obvious but I'm slow

[thorny otter]

burgundian/french sources usually describe this thing as epee d'armes

used for tournament foot combat. Jacques de Lalaing fights one such fight during his pas d'armes and the ruleset is quite funky - no moving to the sides, jsut forward backward and blocking is somewhat limited.

Lois Forster used such weapons for his emprise d'armes as well

[terse bronze]

(épée meaning sword btw)

[lone osprey]

that's really cool to know

[lone osprey]

do you remember specifically where?

[thorny otter]

in the Le livre des faits de Jacques de Lalaing it's the fight at the pas with Jacques de Avanchy. description of the fight says that they were allowed to retreat up to three steps, with guards being set up to make sure they cant go further away. The savoyard (Avanchy) was not seeing well from his armet and does not move from his place at all

[lone osprey]

thank you

[thorny otter]

you are welcome

further reading i would recommend Forster's phd thesis, the Livre translation, and the free pdf here also looks quite promising altough i havent yet had the time

https://www.liverpooluniversitypress.co.uk/doi/book/10.3828/9781835537664

[lone osprey]

oh cool I see the sword name written there now in emprise d'armes 👍

[lone osprey]

yeah that's very cool that he covers a reconstruction

[thorny otter]

Still bugs me I broke my hand last year before being able to fight him for my emprise at Montby. It's a bit of dream since I ve heard him talk about the topic couple years ago followed by a fight with Toby

[lone osprey]

have you posted any pictures of his armour here?

[thorny otter]

not yet, but good reminder to do so

[next orchid]

This is probably because "epee d'armes" is roughly similar in usage to the term estoc

Rather than "arming sword" (which is what espee d'armes means) referring to a long sword with a rondel or something

[terse bronze]

epee de armas is so pretty dude i love her

[next orchid]

Is this some gascon butchery

[terse bronze]

joke about ana de armas

[next orchid]

Oh she's Spanish so yeah

[terse bronze]

Cuban

[civic glade]

With steel soakin in vinegar followed by a quick scotch brite scrub is a great way to remove any oxides