🪅-progaming

[frosty obsidian]

react probably overkill

[dense sand]

so i will use preact

[dawn ledge]

consider solidjs

[royal nymph]

nah

astro is very good

it's just that Astro is not meant to be used on its own for everything

you combine it with an ui framework

https://docs.astro.build/en/guides/integrations-guide/

[autumn sigil]

i clientside render my astro https://github.com/voidfill/discord-userdoccers/blob/b484a772cbc6b65d0eac489f17a68c3f0d8e5e32/src/components/menu/Menu.astro#L39

[frosty obsidian]

GUH

[autumn sigil]

they hated him because he was right

[frosty obsidian]

no starlight

interesting

[autumn sigil]

i stole the search

im doing some server stuff rn so site doesnt work

[frosty obsidian]

i assume you didn't use starlight so that you could emulate the theme better

[autumn sigil]

mhm!

[frosty obsidian]

neat

[autumn sigil]

yeah it came out pretty good actually

[frosty obsidian]

i mean all the css was already done for you

that's usually the hard part

userdoccers being mostly mdx also saved you a lot of work

[autumn sigil]

no not really

[autumn sigil]

no not really

i had to patch a bunch of shit on the parser because they use a very outdated standard

[frosty obsidian]

guh

how did the styles differ

[autumn sigil]

i dont remember but https://github.com/voidfill/discord-userdoccers/blob/b484a772cbc6b65d0eac489f17a68c3f0d8e5e32/patches/%40astrojs__mdx%403.1.3.patch#L18

[frosty obsidian]

neat

[fleet cedar]

Meat

[dawn ledge]

did we finally move to astro

no more shit- i mean next- i mean shitjs

alright nvm parent repo is still on shitjss

[still jolt]

[dawn ledge]

userdoccers will move to typst

NOW

[autumn sigil]

oh no never

[dawn ledge]

sad

[autumn sigil]

[dawn ledge]

i'll abuse my push perms to forcefully move to astro :^)

[autumn sigil]

obv theyre hesitant to swirch because its effort

[dawn ledge]

||/j||

what kind of effort

does the markdown content need editing

or would it just work by swapping out nextjs for the astro source

[autumn sigil]

aside from the missing images mm no it should be fine

the list of the headers is autogenerated from md source so those could use a bit of cleaning up, lots of just jsonparams

[dawn ledge]

(write a script)

[autumn sigil]

meh

[dawn ledge]

sed it

[autumn sigil]

idk theres lots of other stuff like google indexing and bla and idk ask splatter

if you wanna spearhead this be my guest 🙏 ill help fix stuff thats necessary

[median root]

ok why can i not open dev tools on vesktop (asahi linux btw)

[elder yarrow]

👉 #🏥-vencord-support-🏥

(Auto-response invoked by @nimble bone)

[median root]

yeah small issue i got the dev build and all i want to do is open the console which is not just vencord related

[dense sand]

any spring security person here pwease

[fleet cedar]

Only winter here

[dense sand]

lol

[median root]

ok for macos do we like amethyst, aerospace or yabai for ricing (or any other alternatives) ive been meaning to clean my terminal etc up for a while and need a push to get it done

or even something like dwm might work if i can figure out a nice way to make it work

[sturdy stirrup]

@jade stone well I cant respond in #👾-core-development but yes they do. I was working on a customized silent type plugin and noticed all my falsy inputs were being ignored

{
    name: "chat-icon",
    description: "Show an icon in the chat bar for toggling the plugin on the go.",
    required: false,
    type: ApplicationCommandOptionType.BOOLEAN,
},

[fiery lagoon]

Hello everyone!
Im new to Vencord / BD plugins, and im trying to write an actual AdBlocker for YouTube player. Any ideas how to do it?

Im thinking either adguard DNS, or just blocking specified domains or elements in client

[dense sand]

Doesnt that already exist

[fiery lagoon]

huh?

does it?

[dense sand]

I think so

[fiery lagoon]

huh

[jade stone]

@sturdy stirrup dont you have a commit merged already

[fiery lagoon]

any source, link?

[dense sand]

Im on phone rn isk

Idk

[sturdy stirrup]

yeah it was the auxclick one

[jade stone]

run vgh in #🤖-bot-commands

[fiery lagoon]

hmmm, any other information to help me find it? lol

Anything bro

[dense sand]

Pretty sure i saw it in vencord plugins

Just search for it

[jade stone]

vp adblock

[elder yarrow]

YoutubeAdblock

Block ads in YouTube embeds and the WatchTogether activity via AdGuard

Authors

lillith <3, Vee

Traits

desktop only

[sturdy stirrup]

nice didnt know you had to do it after the commit was merged

[dense sand]

Yea

[fiery lagoon]

canj i download it as .js?

[dense sand]

No

[fiery lagoon]

hmm

[spark tiger]

ain’t the ads in yt embeds server side?

been hearing a lot about it

[fiery lagoon]

yeah, might be, that's why im wondering if It's better to do it via DNS for example

[fiery lagoon]

well i found it in source code lol, tho vencord uses typescript which i dont understand lol

[dense sand]

Theres not much to it

If you know js well just read the docs

[fiery lagoon]

Well, i know js a bit, but just a bit

[median root]

I just really suck at window management and I need something that actually incentives me to close my finder windows or terminal tabs after I'm done with them

[fiery lagoon]

Hmm

Is there a way to load local plugins in vencord?

For example from local file

[pearl vine]

https://discord.com/channels/1015060230222131221/1257038407503446176

[jade stone]

so useful

[fleet cedar]

They must

[autumn sigil]

very useful ^^

[spark tiger]

https://deno.com/blog/deno-v-oracle

[valid jetty]

option #2: rename javascript to rustscript

[median root]

Would be better for marketing at this point

[jade stone]

@nimble bone you love Oracle

[worldly flax]

lol?

[fleet cedar]

Congratulations you are the 1740289th person to find that

[worldly flax]

Thanks

[fallen nebula]

Copilot is perfect...

[dense sand]

Can we get vencord aoc lb

[valid jetty]

advent of code written in veev

[mild arrow]

How

Do I get banner

[frosty obsidian]

v+ needy @mild arrow

[royal nymph]

yes

#aoc-leaderboard

[autumn sigil]

no aces

[viscid grove]

why no access :(

[autumn sigil]

slow

[viscid grove]

bad at typing

you don't have any aces, but I don't have any access:p

[dense sand]

Also no access

[ornate quiver]

ive never finished aoc

attempted 3 times

lol

[viscid grove]

ive never failed aoc

attempted 0 times

I'm so good

[autumn sigil]

if you use it to learn a new languge the puzzles get a bit too hard..

[ornate quiver]

yeah i tried rust last year
fatal mistake

before that kotlin
was fine until the jvm failed me

[inner bone]

I have a question, how to get the latest version of vencord in plugin? Like in /vencord-debug

[still jolt]

no access :( (I'm totally not the 4th person to say this)

[elder scaffold]

Look at vencord debug code in _core/supportHelper

[winged mantle]

torture.

[jade stone]

I should do the AOC in nix

[dense sand]

You should do it in typescript types

Since they are turing complete

[ionic lake]

do it in jq

[still jolt]

do it in awk

[fleet cedar]

Do it in cat

[distant cobalt]

I mean nix is turing complete and can output data via file output or debug logs so

[distant cobalt]

NGL I wrote a script in awk once and it was better than I thought

[jade stone]

https://github.com/type-challenges/type-challenges/issues/6329

[royal nymph]

cool repo

just beat one

this one

[royal nymph]

"hard" challenge
look inside

why is typescript like this

ig cause the former is a Tuple not array

[dense sand]

Meanwhile in java you cant even pass primitives in generics

[jade stone]

Iirc it’s something with tuples being a special case

The length prop of a string is only available at runtime or smth

[jade stone]

Try is readonlykey

also you might like this
https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=YRM.type-challenges

[kind ocean]

ok

[dense sand]

Unit testing type system using type system is crazy

[dawn ledge]

i'm very proud of this one https://github.com/type-challenges/type-challenges/issues/30594

[valid jetty]

consider typescript type system inside of typescript type system https://github.com/ronami/HypeScript

[dense sand]

Jesus

[magic shale]

is typescript's type system turing complete

[dense sand]

Yes

[deep mulch]

aoc channel/thread when @royal nymph

[ionic lake]

already exists

I can't seem to access it though like I could

[deep mulch]

@ionic lake hiii

[ionic lake]

hey

whats good

[deep mulch]

I'm okie

wbu

[ionic lake]

doing good

[dense sand]

never boo

[royal nymph]

once it starts

should we do one single channel or should we do a forum and make a post for every day

[deep mulch]

forum would be funny

[nimble bone]

normal channel is sane enough

[deep mulch]

ninooooo 😭

[dense sand]

Give us atleast the code so i can join the lb

[supple whale]

dum that is wild

[supple whale]

any chance some1 knows why a patch that works in vesktop fails in web?

i copied vesktop's menu bar patch

but it doesnt seem to work

{
  find: "platform-web",
  replacement: {
    // eslint-disable-next-line no-useless-escape
    match: /(?<=" platform-overlay"\):)\i/,
    replace: "$self.getPlatformClass()"
  }
},

getPlatformClass() {
  if (isMac) return "platform-osx";
  return "platform-win";
}

skill issue? or is it actually something different about vesktop

[fleet cedar]

Web doesn't have a menu bar, does it?

[supple whale]

indeed, the patch is there to enable it

like vesktop does

[fleet cedar]

Did you check with patch helper?

[supple whale]

but it doesnt seem to...

with what now

[hasty vessel]

here's the corgi generator i made last week! https://codeberg.org/programmingguy/corgigenerator

[supple whale]

https://dog.ceo/api/breed/corgi/images/random

[hasty vessel]

ye lol it just uses that

[royal nymph]

there is nothing different

make sure your plugin is actually enabled

[supple whale]

hm

https://github.com/Vendicated/Vencord/pull/2994 its for this

and idk, struggling ig

i dont like this whole "yeah figure out plugins urself" shtick

[umbral mirage]

i do agree it's kind of challenging

[valid jetty]

@veeeeeeeee private leaderboard link when

[nimble bone]

adveet of code

[royal nymph]

okay soon

should we make it regulars only

let's make it regulars only

[calm ruin]

I will never get javascript

why does
window, this, self, globalThis ALL POINT TO WINDOW

"this" is understandable

[deep mulch]

you love decades of API buildup

[royal nymph]

globalThis is a new thing

it was added because it was complicated to properly get global in all environments

nodejs has global, web has window / self

self is inside workers

so all websites had ulgy code like

const globalObject = typeof global !== "undefined" && typeof process !== "undefined" ? global : typeof self !== "undefined" ? self : typeof "window" !== undefined ? window : typeof this !== "undefined" ? this : Function("return this")();

[royal nymph]

discord also has it

668530: function(t, r, n) {
        "use strict";
        var e = function(t) {
            return t && t.Math === Math && t
        };
        t.exports = e("object" == typeof globalThis && globalThis) || e("object" == typeof window && window) || e("object" == typeof self && self) || e("object" == typeof n.g && n.g) || e("object" == typeof this && this) || function() {
            return this
        }() || Function("return this")()
    },

you love

this is just to get the global object

that's why they added globalThis, it works everywhere (that supports it)

discord has this code (or similar equivalent code) like 7 times

[deep mulch]

2028 they will add another

globalThat

universalThis

[supple whale]

because they are all different things,
window is window, only when there's actually a window, aka a DOM
this is the context, it can be window, it can be undefined, it can be an object
globalThis is the global execution scope, not always window, especially in workers, sharedWorkers, and its also compatible across js envs such as node
self is made for service workers, which references the sw context, which can in some cases not be global

simply use globalThis and not give a fuck

its not really ur job to add backwards support, its up to the compiler such as webpack or rollup which the end developer would configure

i guess exceptions would be shit like workers, since there's still not a good standard for importing and compilign worker code

i like webpacks new Worker(new URL('library/worker.js', import.meta.url).href) the most

mainly because its valid syntax and works outside of webpack too

[supple whale]

Function("return this")(), god i fuckig hate this

it actually makes my blood boil holy shit

this is cursed

[calm ruin]

why is it so hard for js developer to be consistent

so bad

[fleet cedar]

That works everywhere (except where it doesn't)

[winged mantle]

please just use if-else

[umbral mirage]

i love globalThis

[nimble bone]

one liners sillier

[dense sand]

came for scraper, got jquery, 0/100

[nimble bone]

SINGLE QUOTES

very very bad

[dense sand]

or be like me...

i should start using prettier lol

[winged mantle]

uglier

[nimble bone]

inconsistent

explode

[ornate quiver]

prettier SUUUUCKS

i hate prettier so muhc

its awful

i hope someone has made a better formatter

[dense sand]

What should i use then

Why prettier sucks?

[ornate quiver]

subjective but i disagree with a lot of the formatting rules in prettier
and since its an 'opinionated formatter' there's no way to change it

[valid jetty]

rustfmt >

[nimble bone]

you can configure

[ornate quiver]

tried
because it's so opinionated there's no way to configure what I want to

[nimble bone]

oh

i just use a very light config for many of my projects

https://github.com/nin0chat/rewrite/blob/main/.prettierrc.json

[pearl stag]

.prettierrc.json:

{
    "$schema": "https://json.schemastore.org/prettierrc",
    "semi": true,
    "tabWidth": 4,
    "singleQuote": false,
    "trailingComma": "none"
}

[nimble bone]

add useTabs: true

[thorny prism]

hi i am looking for a c# group to make things (not expecting to be paid)

[calm ruin]

I just enabled highlight updates option in react devtools

and wow

disord seems to use react properly

its kinda increadible for them to achieve this bad performance with somehow sane code that doesnt rerender every millisecond

[autumn sigil]

react still terrible

[sour tide]

a

[dense sand]

why is shadcn so advertised when its just radix ui bruh

[nimble bone]

guhh

its bad react slop

[dense sand]

guys which web projects do you find appealing

im literally out of ideas lol

[still jolt]

http://vanilla-js.com/ ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

[hasty vessel]

anything related to animals and/or cool animations honestly

[naive fulcrum]

Also here, something different: Any DiscordJS Developer here who is open for comms? :3

[dense sand]

just learn coding

[naive fulcrum]

Thats why I have money

You know there are people who do not have the time to learn this. And this people pay others for it 🙂

[dense sand]

That is very much understandable

[naive fulcrum]

And before seting up people on Fiverr i put it in here cause I like this community and wanted to give people who might need the money a chance before I give it to another

:))

[autumn sigil]

how much money

[royal nymph]

you should give more details like what do you want done and how much are you paying

[naive fulcrum]

Enough

[naive fulcrum]

Sure, rn just looking for a Modmail Bot with some extra Commands 🙂 I pay hourly so yeah

[dense sand]

i used to make minecraft plugins for like 10$ and i scammed myself for probably a lot of money im realizing now

[naive fulcrum]

Do you still code Gameplugins?

I mean I am also looking for Java Devs

And no I do not underpay

[dense sand]

what are you looking for?

[naive fulcrum]

Too much. Working on a Freebuild Retro Server

Send you a PM

*FR

[placid cape]

yeah you did

[placid cape]

We can make a deal if you don't have someone else :)

[naive fulcrum]

So I still need a Discord Dev (now), and a Java Developer (Jan 2025).

[placid cape]

i can do the discord part

[naive fulcrum]

Sure, PM me

-- Job opening closed --

Found 2 nice devs. Thanks for everyone who wrote me :3

[ember zealot]

What did I just witness

[median root]

a small case of unemployment being solved with programmers

[serene elk]

peak

[ornate quiver]

peak

[ornate quiver]

if you need additional help later im available

[stoic helm]

\

vlc has native liveleak support

[viscid grove]

ok doing this advent of code is slightly harder in google sheets than i thought it would be
(oh oops didn't realize there's a channel for this)

well more annoying than difficult

i wish reduce() did what i want :(

[deep mulch]

@royal nymph you

program i am using segfaults on close

#0  destroy_queued_closure (closure=closure@entry=0x555555575f40) at ../wayland-1.23.1/src/wayland-client.c:284
#1  0x00007ffff7e98369 in wl_event_queue_release (queue=queue@entry=0x55555558c5d8) at ../wayland-1.23.1/src/wayland-client.c:341
#2  0x00007ffff7e98720 in wl_display_disconnect (display=0x55555558c4e0) at ../wayland-1.23.1/src/wayland-client.c:1366
#3  0x00007ffff7f26cf0 in _glfwTerminateWayland () at /usr/src/debug/glfw/glfw-3.4/src/wl_init.c:991
#4  0x00007ffff7f0edeb in terminate () at /usr/src/debug/glfw/glfw-3.4/src/init.c:124
#5  0x00007ffff79a4c62 in backend::end() () from /usr/lib/libsdrpp_core.so
#6  0x00007ffff786fe19 in sdrpp_main(int, char**) () from /usr/lib/libsdrpp_core.so
#7  0x00007ffff7634e08 in __libc_start_call_main (main=main@entry=0x555555555020, argc=argc@entry=1, argv=argv@entry=0x7fffffffd5a8)
    at ../sysdeps/nptl/libc_start_call_main.h:58
#8  0x00007ffff7634ecc in __libc_start_main_impl (main=0x555555555020, argc=1, argv=0x7fffffffd5a8, init=<optimized out>, fini=<optimized out>, 
    rtld_fini=<optimized out>, stack_end=0x7fffffffd598) at ../csu/libc-start.c:360
#9  0x0000555555555055 in ?? ()

i told author

they said its glfw fault

they kinda scare me

and i dont wanna argue with them and idk how to interpret gdb backtrace

[royal nymph]

what libraty

or program

[deep mulch]

sdr++

[royal nymph]

insane what is that

[deep mulch]

apparently doesnt happen on X

a thing

for sdr

[royal nymph]

idk just tell them you have no idea how to read that and if they have any pointers

chances are they have no clue

[royal nymph]

me when someone reports some obscure graphical issues or crashes to vesktop (electron / chromium fault)

idk why it happens or how to fix but people expect me to know

[deep mulch]

wrong

you do

[ornate quiver]

what the fuck was intel cooking when it made avx2

[autumn sigil]

cisc was a mistake

[timber root]

does golang suck? (my friend is convincing me to try it)

[valid jetty]

if err != nil {
return nil, err;
}

[ionic lake]

what she said

error handling is terrible but honesty, not a bad language

[autumn sigil]

the error handling being like this is a feature not a flaw

[fallow jasper]

https://code.videolan.org/videolan/vlc/-/commit/0740ca354ea8eab31e58c9ddff481317c4900b5d

gon

[stoic helm]

ill tell her to update then

bc we were debugging issues with streams

we thought she was up to date

[winged mantle]

is there an insomnia alternative which doesn't have annoying account stuff

i upgraded insomnia and it deleted my project with no option to restore it

and insomnia might be open source but it's super artificially limited with what you can do locally

[frosty obsidian]

yeah

original insomnia dev made a new thing

[winged mantle]

just found it

i love arch

instead of people providing packages you need to find suspicious looking aur packages

yaak?

[frosty obsidian]

yeah

[calm ruin]

Insomnium

[calm ruin]

What is it

[winged mantle]

yaak

[winged mantle]

archived

[calm ruin]

Looks good

Love

What does yaak stand for

I bet its related to sleep issues again

[frosty obsidian]

probably Yet Another Api Client

just using a k instead of a c to reference the animal

[calm ruin]

Would make sense

[ornate quiver]

YES

terrible language

[royal nymph]

it's good

Crystal is unironically such a good language, it's just a shame the language server is a bit lacklustre in some aspects

[ornate quiver]

nop

it's like a joke language that somehow became popular
there is so many baffling decisions made as a result of ignoring decades of modern language development

yop

[fleet cedar]

Error handling? What's that?

Sum types/adts? Never heard of it

Unused variables? We don't do that here

[ornate quiver]

even something as shrimple as generics took like a decade and are still very mid

[royal nymph]

Go is a very solid and simple language. I wouldn't listen to these opinions, they're subjective. Just give it a shot if it seems appropriate for what you want to build and see if it's for you

[ornate quiver]

yeah if you like it that's fine
but just because go is objectively simple, doesn't mean it's easy
the complexity is always hidden away somewhere

[royal nymph]

Go is very easy lol

[ornate quiver]

easy on the surface
go a bit deeper and you realize how much of a mess there is (from my pov)

[royal nymph]

Go sticks with a very simple, deliberately limited syntax with little abstractions

Thanks to that, you can learn the core language and get used to its syntax within a few days, in tradeoff for more "boilerplate" in some things

And the stdlib is plentiful with good documentation and multiple sites filled with useful example code snippets

[fleet cedar]

I would put no abstraction as a massive con, not a pro

[ornate quiver]

yeah

makes it painful

[royal nymph]

subjective

[viscid grove]

python

[fleet cedar]

I cannot refute that

[royal nymph]

I don't like how abstraction heavy kotlin is for example

kotlin code is often very difficult to understand if it wasn't written by you

[fleet cedar]

Though in its defense, python was made in 1991

Kotlin tends to turn very dsl yeah

[viscid grove]

i like kotlin, but i've never really learned the basics i just jumped into contributing to a minecraft mod in kotlin

[ornate quiver]

depends on how much abstraction you yourself write
this is definitely applicable to rust though
I struggle to understand crate apis without reading the src

[royal nymph]

Kotlin, Rust, etc

it's so hard to understand stuff because it's so abstraction heavy

i dislike that

Lack of heavy abstractions makes it much easier to understand code. I can understand other people's go code without needing a PhD in rustology

[worldly sigil]

i remember seeing one of the original go developer's (brian kernighan i think?) mentioning in a quote or talk that go was designed to be kinda dumb and simple, since one of their goals was to make it so a beginner and expert would always write generally the same specific code to solve a problem

[fleet cedar]

But you have to read two phd theses' worth of boilerplate to figure out what a golang program is doing

[royal nymph]

that's a bit exaggerated

it's not that bad

[worldly sigil]

and when the original implementation was being written internally, he also mentioned that they had a sort of implicit deal with eachother that if one of them wanted to add a specific feature to the language, they needed to sell the idea to the other 2 or 3 people working on it before they can add it

[nimble bone]

yop

ive been wanting to try go for soooo much time but i haven’t yet

[royal nymph]

also writing go just feels very run and refreshing to me

[ornate quiver]

it starts to all make sense when you learn rob pike called syntax highlighting an infantile disorder

[jade stone]

regex my beloved

[viscid grove]

wtf is that

that looks nonsensical

all the regex i write much easier to read than that?

ig i write regex for different things

[jade stone]

transforms

vim.keymap.set("<MODE>", "<LHS>", "<RHS>")

into

vim.cmd("<MODE>map <LHS> <RHS>")

[gilded surge]

lowkey not even that bad

(?P<localPart>^(?:(?:\"(?:(?:[a-z0-9!#$%&'*+\-\/=?^_`{|}~,<.>;:\|}\]\[\-()@])|(?:(?:\\\\)|(?:\\\")))*\")|(?:(?:[a-z0-9!#$%&'*+\-\/=?^_`{|}~]*)|(?:\.[a-z0-9!#$%&'*+\-\/=?^_`{|}~]))){1,64})@(?P<domain>(?P<sld>(?:(?:(?:(?!(?<=@)\d*(?=\.))))(?:[0-9])|(?:(?<!@)\-(?!\.))|(?:[a-z]))*)\.(?P<tld>(?:(?:(?:(?!(?<=.)\d*(?=$))))(?:[0-9])|(?:(?<!@)\-(?!\.))|(?:[a-z]))*))

this is one i wrote that's way worse

[viscid grove]

what the fuck

this group it useless?

and wtf is it even for

[gilded surge]

email validation :3

[viscid grove]

it seems like you could just do . instead of this horror```
[a-z0-9!#$%&'*+-/=?^_`{|}~,<.>;:|}][-()@]

[gilded surge]

its not all chars

just those

it cant be all of unicode

and it doesn't support literal . as per IETF standards

[viscid grove]

maybe you shouldn't do it all with regex then?

[gilded surge]

felt like it

i also had to implement a stop if it goes over 2k steps because its prone to runaway

its so poor quality but if it works it works

[viscid grove]

[frosty obsidian]

contains("@")

best email validator

[viscid grove]

wow

flawless

[frosty obsidian]

validating an email with regex is insane bc urls/email addresses are an incredibly weird standard

theres so many edge cases and order of operations shit

its easiest to just check if the input contains a "." somewhere after an "@"

[odd lake]

The correct way is to send an email and see if it works

👍

[frosty obsidian]

true but some extremely simple validation should at least be done client side

[odd lake]

yeah

split(@) and make sure the 2nd part is vaguely domain like and you're good

[frosty obsidian]

.

some languages have url parsing in their stdlib you can also use

[autumn sigil]

java/kotlin oop hell is so bad

[lavish cloak]

Chat, so let's just say I have some confidential files in my external hard drive, mostly images, videos, documents and PDFs in a folder, that's around 100gb in size. How do I hide/disguise them so that the police won't see them when they search my files? (They're just evidences of me and a few friends plotting shits against the dictator and other illegal stuff like our protest marches etc. that could get us end up in the gulag)

I thought of 2 ways, I could just hide them, like hidden folder, but it's just a matter of ticking a box in their computer and also they can see the space occupied in the drive and will notice a 100gb missing. Or, this smarter method, I can zip the folder, and rename it into a .java file and tell them it's my programming stuff and they won't know what a java is and will just assume having a 100gb java file is normal. But the downsize is that I would have to uncompress it every time I want to access a file (which takes about 3 hours), and also when you open the java file, you would see the ZIP keyword in it, which just gives it away.

Orr, I could just hide it in plain sight, which I've tried before, where I would copy the folder structure (not files) of my C drive, and then put the 100gb folder somewhere in it, so like maybe AppData/Chrome/Update/[Folder here], along with other empty seemingly system files. But again, this can be easily discoverable with a file scanning tool which will show the location of where most large files are. So, what about putting it in another partition that is only accessible by me on my laptop, and not by anyone else in other laptops? Like when you plug a drive in the USB port, it mounts all the partitions, but what if I make it default so it looks like there is only 1 mountable partition and the other "hidden" partition looks like a system partition, but it's not and I have to manually mount it, and I'll be able to access the files after I do. How's that? Would that work, like is that possible? If so, how would I do it? Is there any weaknesses to that method? Or are the other three methods i mentioned superior?

[jade stone]

sledgehammer

[median root]

What happpend to encrypting zips and partitions

[valid jetty]

why does it need to be on that hard drive

its kinda hard to hide 100gb

lmao

[elder scaffold]

Step 1 is not posting an admission on a public discord server in a public discord channel

[valid jetty]

that too

[elder scaffold]

Encode it in brainfuck

Step 0 is to not plot shit against a dictator

[fleet cedar]

https://xkcd.com/538/

xkcd: Security

Actual actual reality: nobody cares about his secrets. (Also, I would be hard-pressed to find that wrench for $5.)

[timber root]

thanks for answers guys, i will never ever touch it and my another friend won an argue because of these messages

[nimble bone]

deranged

try out the language yourself and make an opinion yourself

[timber root]

lazy

its much easer to ask pros

[tawdry fern]

Hey how can I made my own plugin

Can u provide me a link please

[dense sand]

no

[tawdry fern]

Thanks

[ornate quiver]

is this a copypasta

[royal nymph]

1. don't post a confession in a public server
2. enable full disk encryption with a very strong password for one of your disks, don't tell it anyone or write it down anywhere
3. move the files onto the encrypted disk
4. overwrite all your unencrypted disks that had any of this data at any time fully with random bytes to ensure there is no data left recoverable
5. make sure your disk is actually encrypted if your house ever gets raided (i.e. make sure your pc is powered off)
6. realise that if you live in a country where you need to fear punishment for resisting against the government, they probably won't care if they find something or find an encrypted disk, they will make up some bs reason to arrest you if they want

[native spruce]

[gray heron]

@frosty obsidian jolly wong i require assistance

[frosty obsidian]

doing aoc

[gray heron]

darn

ping me when not busy wingus

[viscid grove]

just forget the password

simple as that!

(well don't remember it in the first place)

[elder scaffold]

At that point why not just burn the drive

[median root]

ok soon i wanna try making a mobile app from scratch what are the best langauges to do something like this in? and should i build it with gradle or is there something better?

[cerulean plover]

Everyone knows you put your data on a microSD card (relatively affordable) and then eat it

[gray heron]

kotlin, or react native if you're insane

[valid jetty]

your options are flutter or react native if you want platform-agnostic code
you can use java/kotlin for android and objc/swift for ios
or you could use something like capacitor to turn a web-app into a mobile app similar to electron

keep in mind that react native is far better than flutter and its not even close (if you wanna go that route)

[fleet cedar]

Everyone knows the only correct way to make mobile apps is to make terminal programs and run them in termux

[valid jetty]

true

[frosty obsidian]

depends on what you want the app to do and what platforms you want to support

[ornate quiver]

I hate react native

[viscid grove]

(that's the joke)

[winged mantle]

😭 updated yaak

tip

if you use a glorified ui for fetch do not update it

[autumn sigil]

why use a ui

[winged mantle]

ah... this seems fair

it's a bit confusing

it looks like you need to pay to use it

[wheat kernel]

veracrypt can make a partition that looks like random noise when encrypted

and also https://veracrypt.eu/en/Hidden Volume.html

[royal nymph]

yeah true

if you live in a country with poor rights they will just torture you until you give them the password

[brisk bluff]

that won't help in real life situations because any smart person will be aware of this and ask for the real password

[royal nymph]

it explicitly says you cannot know whether there is a hidden volume

[brisk bluff]

yes but if you raid someone and find out they use veracrypt and they give you the password and you see uninteresting data then it's obvious there's a hidden volume

[royal nymph]

that's why you don't put "uninteresting data"

To the outer volume, (before creating the hidden volume within it) you should copy some sensitive-looking files that you actually do NOT want to hide. These files will be there for anyone who would force you to hand over the password. You will reveal only the password for the outer volume, not for the hidden one. Files that really are sensitive will be stored on the hidden volum

[brisk bluff]

i mean sure, but they will be aware of that possibility as well

just the fact that you're using veracrypt will heavily imply a hidden volume

[royal nymph]

if your jurisdiction tortures you to give out data, if they believe you did anything and can't find anything, they will just make up bogus charges and execute you

encryption still goes a long way

[autumn sigil]

just dont have incriminating info? clueless

[wheat kernel]

nothing's perfect, if they're willing to torture you you're gonna get tortured

[autumn sigil]

be a model citizen

[wheat kernel]

just don't end up in gitmo

and if you do give em what they want

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[autumn sigil]

gitmo?

[brisk bluff]

if they torture you then no encryption matters

i was assuming a scenario where it does matter

[wheat kernel]

thats the point xd

[brisk bluff]

ex. a normal law enforcement raid

[royal nymph]

there, encryption absolutely does wonders lol

[brisk bluff]

if law enforcement sees veracrypt they'll 100% assume hidden volume

[wheat kernel]

then u have plausible deniability

[royal nymph]

then what

they have to prove your guilt

[brisk bluff]

i guess

[royal nymph]

it is not illegal to have an encrypted volume

[wheat kernel]

"idk what you're talking about officer, all i see is empty space"

[brisk bluff]

real

[wheat kernel]

because that's all there is

[royal nymph]

or you could just admit it but refuse to give them the password

[wheat kernel]

makes your life easier if you don't

[brisk bluff]

technically wouldn't used space size reveal it?

[royal nymph]

there are a few jurisdictions where they can force you to give it out but in most good jurisdictions you have the right not to incrimate yourself

so they have no legal basis to punish you for not giving out your password

they either have to crack it somehow or have to cope

[brisk bluff]

what if you're in one of those few jurisdictions and you tell them you forgor

[wheat kernel]

in canada they can't force you

[royal nymph]

pretty sure in the UK you can be arrested for it lol

[wheat kernel]

cuz it's considered speech

and the right to not self-incriminate applies

pretty cool

[lavish cloak]

I live in the country where the dictator is good friends with Putin, Kim jong and xi, we don't have human rights here to defend our data 😭

[hushed pebble]

after January 20, this won't narrow it down for me

also, what country

Oh.

Military junta

[dense sand]

https://youtube.com/shorts/hq7EJRgJXog sometimes I'm telling myself that i shouldve kept instagram account

[valid jetty]

who the fuck takes notes when programming

“yeah i’ll need to remember that the type of NaN in js is a number”

“let me write that down”

[serene elk]

notes more useful when you need to architecture something first before implementing

[fleet cedar]

Nah, architecturing can wait

[serene elk]

or else you can end up writing code and re-writing a bunch of times

to get a proper final solution

[valid jetty]

i do that lmao

currently going through my 4th refactor

[serene elk]

did it ever get functional tho?

cuz I mean having to rewrite before it gets functional

[fleet cedar]

I've been spending the last week refactoring a major component at work

[serene elk]

since the idea in your brain wasnt thought enough and had flaws

[fleet cedar]

Looking forward to resolving the merge conflicts

[serene elk]

lmaoo

not much your fault it wasnt done good before 😛

or is it

[fleet cedar]

I wrote that component

[serene elk]

LOL

https://tenor.com/view/dog-smirk-dog-smirking-evil-gif-1174039551531775064

[fleet cedar]

I wonder how many files I've not touched in that refactoring

Can't be that many

[serene elk]

I do that so much

refactor once -> look at it two days later -> wait why is this done like this

[fleet cedar]

I wanted to do another refactor, kinda syntax sugar thing, but due to a msvc bug I can't :(

[autumn sigil]

what the hell

[valid jetty]

the point i was trying to portray was more about taking notes about content you learn like from school

because that stuff is usually pretty easy

[dim cave]

if i wanted to make a program that added cool particles and trails nshit to my mouse, what programming language would i use?

[lucid trail]

jsx and electron

[dim cave]

nvm

ifound it

its not EXACTLY what i wanted but mf im takin it

https://github.com/LtqxWYEG/ShitStuckToYourMouse

[kind ocean]

nah

[elder scaffold]

why is it saying this (im in a java project)

[fleet cedar]

Because you know you want to

[nimble bone]

you will soon become a kotlinion

[valid jetty]

i just realised macros are technically compile-time interpreters

[winged mantle]

so are typescript types

[woeful perch]

@vale geode i am bord help me :>

hm

anyway Hello :>

[pearl vine]

Clyde was lobotomized

[whole cove]

i pro all over my gaming

[formal belfry]

Wgat

[icy needle]

fn main() -> int {
    io.say("hello!")

    sc c1, c2, c3 := 'c', 'b', 'a'
    sc concatted := {c1, c2, c3} // strings are char arrays

    sc a := 5
    sc adder := create_adder(a)
    io.say(adder(3)) // 5+3
    io.say(create_adder(10)(20)) // 10+20

    // sc num_ptr:int* = new ? as 0
    sc num_ptr := new int as 0

    if (nullable_returner(false)) |ret_val| {
        io.say("the nullable returned number: {ret_val}")
    }

    rc arr := {5, 3, 8, 6}

    sc accum := 0 += for (_ in arr)
    // += effectively expands into arr.len prefixed addition ops

    io.say("contents:", for (_ in arr)) // "unfold" elements of the array
    io.say("sum:", accum)

    for (elem in arr) -> {
        // do something
    }
}

fn create_adder(int num1) -> fn(int num2) -> int {
    return fn(num1 + $1)
}

fn nullable_returner(bool ret_null) -> ?i32 {
    // if ret_null then null else 42
    if (ret_null) null else 42
}```

how bad does this look

[fleet cedar]

Is sc and rc some kind of types?

[icy needle]

@valid jetty

[icy needle]

scoped vs refcounted

the idea is sc will be the go to for most things

it'll auto free heap objects once out of scope

[valid jetty]

is this like

syntax ideas

[icy needle]

ye

[valid jetty]

?i32 is a little weird

and the -> for for loops too

[icy needle]

teehee

[valid jetty]

it looks a lot like zig

like a lot

like zi

g

[icy needle]

yeah i stole the pipe captures from zig too

[valid jetty]

lmao yeah i noticed

elle syntax at the very beginning was much more horror

[icy needle]

basically i want a fp lang that looks like a non fp lang

[icy needle]

show

[valid jetty]

this is the very very first prototype

// Import statements follow a lib:file@{method1, method2...} format;
use elle:io@{print};
use elle:int@{random};

const languageName = "Elle";

// Use `pub` to make functions public so they can be imported by other files
// You *must* expose the main function for it to be runnable
pub op main() {
    let resWithThree: Int = randomWithMultiplier(3); // Returns a random number between 0 and 10 multiplied by 3 using positional arguments
    let resWithSixteen: Int = randomWithMultiplier(multiplier: 16); // Returns a random number between 0 and 10 multiplied by 16 using keyword arguments
    printMessage(
        "First result is %d and second is %d", 
        resWithThree, 
        resWithSixteen
    );

    let maybeRes: Int? = randomWithPossibleError();

    if (maybeRes) {
        // In this scope, maybeRes is just Int32 not Int32?
        printMessage("Result is %d", maybeRes);
    } else {
        // This is a character because it's a single quote.
        printMessage('a');
        printMessage("Oh no! We failed.");
    }
}

op randomWithMultiplier(Int multiplier) -> Int {
    // If a function uses keyword arguments they must *all* be keyword arguments
    // Use the ret keyword to return from the operation
    ret random(between: 0, and: 10, included: true) * multiplier;
}

// Operations can either return a value or void.
// `nil` is the undefined/null value in Elle.
// Use the '?' operator at the end of the return type to denote that the function can return nil.
op randomWithPossibleError() -> Int? {
    let result: Int = random(0, 5, true);

    // Match keyword works very similar to other languages
    ret match result {
        3 -> nil,
        val -> val,
    }
}

// No return argument needed if function returns void
// Note that this is *only* if the function returns void
op printMessage(String message) {
    printf(`[%s] %s`, languageName, message);
}

[icy needle]

btw that's for distinguishing from non looped fors

[valid jetty]

whats a non looped for

[icy needle]

basically like variadic args but works everywhere

[valid jetty]

interesting

[icy needle]

reminds me of odin syntax

it's not that unreadable

needs more work

😩

[valid jetty]

yeah since then it looks completely different

modern syntax looks nothing like it

use std/collections/array;
use std/split;
use std/cast;
use std/io;

fn s1(string contents) {
    Array<string> *parts = contents.split("mul(");
    i32 sum = 0;

    for i32 i = 0; i < parts.len(); i += 1 {
        Array<string> *numbers = parts[i].split(",");

        if numbers.len() > 1 {
            i32 left;

            string end = "";
            i64 right = numbers[1].strtol(&end, 10);

            if i32::try_parse(numbers[0], &left) && end[0] == ')' {
                sum += left * right;
            }
        }
    }

    return sum;
}

fn s2(string contents) {
    Array<string> *dos = contents.split("do()");
    i32 sum = 0;

    for i32 i = 0; i < dos.len(); i += 1 {
        string contents = dos[i].split("don't()")[0];
        sum += s1(contents);
    }

    return sum;
}

fn main() {
    string contents = io::read_to_string("input.txt");
    io::dbg(s1(contents));
    io::dbg(s2(contents));
}

[icy needle]

pretty rusty

[valid jetty]

use std/io;

struct Foo<T, U> {
    T a;
    U b;
};

fn Foo::new<T, U>(T a, U b) -> Foo<T, U> {
    return Foo { a = a, b = b };
}

fn Foo::double_all<T, U>(Foo<T, U> *self) {
    self.a *= 2;
    self.b *= 2;
}

fn Foo::get_a<T, U>(Foo<T, U> self) -> T {
    return self.a;
}

fn Foo::get_b<T, U>(Foo<T, U> self) -> U {
    return self.b;
}

fn main() {
    Foo<i32, f32> foo = Foo::new(100, 1.2);
    foo.double_all();

    io::println(foo);
}

[valid jetty]

its made in rust so thats my mindset

[icy needle]

actual headcrab evolution in action

[icy needle]

yup

[valid jetty]

here we go this is the one that has the most stuff

use std/io;

struct Foo {
    i32 a;
};

// `Foo`, only gets a copy of Foo
fn Foo::add(Foo self, Foo other) {
    return Foo { a = self.a + other.a };
}

// `Foo *`, edits in-place
fn Foo::divideBy(Foo *self, i32 num) {
    self.a /= num;
}

fn main() {
    Foo foo1 = Foo { a = 10 };
    Foo foo2 = Foo { a = 30 };

    // The compiler automatically passes a reference to Foo if the function needs `Foo *` and not `Foo`
    foo2.divideBy(15);
    Foo resWithInstance = foo1.add(foo2);
    Foo resWithStruct = Foo::add(foo1, foo2);

    io::assert(
        resWithInstance.a == resWithStruct.a,
        "Instance and struct methods should produce equal results."
    );

    io::dbg(resWithInstance, resWithStruct);
}

[icy needle]

and it's already obvious what lang i'm writing in

[valid jetty]

lmao yeah

[dawn ledge]

gleam ahh imports

[autumn sigil]

use literally the devil

[royal nymph]

you have created the bastard child of rust and go

[dawn ledge]

is it gc'd

[valid jetty]

it’s manual

atm

[willow knot]

what language is this

[valid jetty]

that doesnt exist yet

its a syntax prototype

[void leaf]

I don’t care what anyone says. I will write pure HTML until the day I die.

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/9PtO6qIyjERYhw4TOB6JtUCAGONbi_ocIemVa5BOpOw/https/cdn.nest.rip/uploads/c5140116-ee12-493c-9515-d38463713e2b.png

[pearl vine]

Using frameworks for static sites is weird

[nimble bone]

astro is great

but that’s more of a SSG than a framework

[crimson sparrow]

Svelte

[still jolt]

vanilla-js ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

[royal nymph]

both

[royal nymph]

nah not necessarily

just throwing insane bloat at it is

not every framework is bloat

if you make ur static site an entire nextjs react gigaslop app, sure

but if you use something cute like astro or svelte, that's alright

[icy needle]

i meant horsesboe crab

what was i thinking 💀

[calm ruin]

or SOLIDJS

astro is good for static sites

svelte......

[autumn sigil]

gwat

[calm ruin]

WHAT

oh he wanted static site

[serene elk]

may I ask, how does solid differ from react

I have searched it multiple times and I still dont get what it is exactly

[royal nymph]

different state management and not as bloated

that's about it

[serene elk]

iirc I saw useState in their website and I was like... that's the same?

[royal nymph]

createSignal

[royal nymph]

it's very similar in that it has signals (state), effects and memos, but it's less black magic and effects/memos track dependencies automatically. the trade-off is that the value is a getter function instead of the actual value

[serene elk]

interesting

[royal nymph]

const [value, setValue] = createSignal(42);

createEffect(() => {
  console.log(value());
}) // automatically re-runs whenever `value` changes

const valueTimesTen = createMemo(() => value() * 10); // automatically recomputes whenever `value` changes

it also has inbuilt stores which function kinda similarly to Vencord settings proxy (though for changing properties you use setter function)

[median root]

ok someone help theres no way there isnt a smarter way to do this:

echo -e "<b> "$(date +'%A' | tr '[:lower:]' '[:upper:]' | sed 's/./& /g')"                  "$(date +'%d' | tr '[:lower:]' '[:upper:]' | sed 's/./& /g')"\n"$(date +'%B' | tr '[:lower:]' '[:upper:]' | sed 's/./& /g')"          "$(date +'%Y' | tr '[:lower:]' '[:upper:]' | sed 's/./& /g')" </b>" 

this looks horrible

i hardly know what its doing anymore

[royal nymph]

what's the end goal

[median root]

its for my hyprlock setup

[royal nymph]

wtf

[royal nymph]

write it in a proper programming language

simple python / perl script or write it in a compiled language

[median root]

all i have is hyprlock.conf

and this stupid label thing

[royal nymph]

yes but you can just make a script/binary that prints that and call the script

[median root]

oh yeah cuz it can run commands

thanks

[autumn sigil]

it also only "renders" once, the function only runs once and the dom gets updated from reactive value triggering effects

[ornate quiver]

also no virtual dom

[dense sand]

yall youngsters want everything virtual these days

[dawn ledge]

i fucking hate hyprlock

very opinionated

[autumn sigil]

man fuck this shit

[dawn ledge]

they added "ai help" in chrome

i fucking hate it

[nimble bone]

then don’t use it

[dawn ledge]

it shoves it up my face whenever i open dev tools

[dense sand]

i might consider switching to laravel from spring boot

i dont know any other mvc based backend frameworks

please help me

[autumn sigil]

dont use mvc?

its very simple

[autumn sigil]

omg crystal logo song

[solid gazelle]

how can i like measure electron ipc speed reliably

maybe ill ask in an electron server

[fleet cedar]

Stopwatch ⏱️

[hushed pebble]

have you tried if it works

[hushed pebble]

299,792,458 m/s in a vacuum

Well

not quite

That's the speed of light

Electrons are even slower

or slower to some degree

no idea how

someone that isn't stupid can inform us all what the speed of an electron is

pls

[crimson sparrow]

Pretty sure it depends on how fast you make it go

i.e it’s arbitrary but definitely less than the speed of light

[frosty obsidian]

its faster than a snail

[fleet cedar]

You sure? I'd have guessed the electrons that make up the snail moves at the speed of a snail

[median root]

They orbit around the atom faster than the snail

Well at this point teleport but you get the point

[dense sand]

is it normal to have session based auth when the backend and frontend is splitted(laravel, nextjs)? or i should i use jwts

[nimble bone]

who cares

do whatever you prefer

[dense sand]

its more of a if people do it this way

[ionic lake]

depends

jawts are easier to scale horizontally aka don't need storing them but are complex to implement securely than cookie based sessions

[dense sand]

i would implement jwts, but i want to be able to control the user logout, generally to do this with jwt, you would need a database already, but then it seems like jwts loose its point

[ionic lake]

yeah, no need

[dense sand]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DvBGGZfH-I
java is slow and outdated 😭 but have you ever tried it?

[spark tiger]

i learnt python https://x.com/cognicarbon/status/1865221602407071927

Carbon (@CogniCarbon) on X

Your first programming language shapes they way you solve problems.

Really interesting read.

Twitter · Dec 7, 2024, 2:27 AM

[severe herald]

free access to the paper if anyone is interested:

• https://fermatslibrary.com/s/the-consequences-of-ones-first-programming-language
• https://www.doi.org/10.1145/800088.802823

[dawn ledge]

tl;dr me

aint reading allat

[signal oak]

The author argues that a programmer's first language significantly shapes their future coding style and problem-solving approach, potentially limiting their ability to adapt to different paradigms later. While not insurmountable, overcoming the ingrained habits from that initial language can be challenging. Essentially, your first programming language leaves a lasting imprint on how you think about programming.

[snow grail]

the obvious solution here is to not learn a first programming language but to learn 5 at once

[hushed pebble]

is there a formula based on stuff people usually work with, like voltage, current, etc.?

[hushed pebble]

Can't you just learn Kotlin

Java isn't slow

but outdated, pretty much

[crimson sparrow]

Pretty sure its dependent on voltage

Can’t recall the formula now though

One sec

[dense sand]

I know kotlin, but java serves its purpose

[hushed pebble]

What is its purpose, as compared to Kotlin's?

[dense sand]

Javas purpose it to be very explicit and verbose and object oriented

Kotlin is more

Scripting i think

[hushed pebble]

Yeah, the first two, or at least, the middle one is so damn annoying

[dense sand]

Then dont use it??

[hushed pebble]

I could say all of those are annoying, but it's really only the way Java does it, I think

[dense sand]

Like

[hushed pebble]

I'm just wondering why people prefer Java over any other JVM language

[dense sand]

It would largely depend on what i want to make

If i want to make backend service, i will still choose java because i like mvc pattern and spring does it well

[hushed pebble]

Explicit is nice to a degree, verbose is good if done right, and OOP is nice if it's not annoying to work with and not a bunch of ISuckMyCock spam

[dense sand]

ISuckMyCock actually violates javas naming conventions for interfaces

Its more c# thing

[hushed pebble]

Fine, Suckable

[dense sand]

Now we're talking

[hushed pebble]

class Femboy implements Submissive, Breedable

[dense sand]

extends Human

Or partiallyhuman

[winged mantle]

not outdated either

[icy needle]

WORKS EVERY TIME

how to defeat any functional programmer:

1. tell them about the stack pointer
2. profit

[hushed pebble]

when did i get husked

[hushed pebble]

what is a !

I'm only familiar with its use in TS

[dense sand]

Idk

Factorial?

[icy needle]

mutation

atoms are mutable refcells so you use ! funcs for them

[hushed pebble]

what language

[icy needle]

clojure

[hushed pebble]

HOW DID I GET TEN HUSKS

[icy needle]

husk tu-

[hushed pebble]

what is an atom

[dawn ledge]

matter

[icy needle]

smallest unit making up all matter

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom

[frail turtle]

Atoms are the basic particles of the chemical elements. An atom consists of a nucleus of protons and generally neutrons, surrounded by an electromagnetically bound swarm of electrons. The chemical elements are distinguished from each other by the number of protons that are in their atoms.

[hushed pebble]

buh

[crimson sparrow]

Quarks anyone?

[crimson sparrow]

Or maybe just subatomic particles in general

[fleet cedar]

They don't matter

[median root]

They are made of basically nothing

[celest lodge]

they are magic

i do not believe in them

[ornate quiver]

kotlin is more sane i think

[ivory heath]

You know this is my first time checking this channel in a long time and idk if seeing this makes it a good or bad thing I did.

[ivory heath]

Kotlin is a multi paradigm language featuring OOP (MOP), functional, and basically C.

[fleet cedar]

MOP? 🧹 🪣

[ivory heath]

Message oriented programming. Object oriented programming is a misnomer

In proper hierarchical OOP you wouldn’t have a mechanic class directly modifying a door object it would use the master class of car to do so. Car would send a message from mechanic to door to modify its internal state http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~ram/pub/pub_jf47ht81Ht/doc_kay_oop_en

That structure is stupid tho because you end up with a lot of classes that do nothing but manage messages

[fleet cedar]

I'm more of a sanity oriented programming kind of guy

If there's no invariants to maintain, just make that damn field public

[ivory heath]

I’m tempted to learn rust

[valid jetty]

rust is so good

[ivory heath]

Only thing it makes me happy about is the lack of “undefined” state

[fleet cedar]

That's one of the best parts

[ivory heath]

I hate the syntax the toolchain sucks.

[fleet cedar]

How

It has just about the best toolchain out there

[ivory heath]

I’m probably just mentally ill or stupid

Oh I remember now

[winged mantle]

i thought you said music oriented programming

i actually had an idea

what if you used a piano keyboard as a computer keyboard

[fleet cedar]

I think you would annoy your coworkers

[winged mantle]

assumed i have a job

well i do

my job is procrastination

i am a professional

[valid jetty]

my job is secretly being a ball of glitter

[fleet cedar]

You're failing then

How is it secret

[valid jetty]

well you havent seen me irl

so how would you know whether i really am secretly being a ball of glitter or not

i could be bluffing

[formal belfry]

rate my vs code setup :)

[ivory heath]

The gray keywords are unreadable to me and will probably cause eye strain or near sightedness

[hushed pebble]

and I don't know how I'm still getting husked 😭

[hushed pebble]

probably a good color for inlay hints, but not for keywords

[hushed pebble]

same

[winged mantle]

if i have a job it will probably involve the same thing i do right now

which is sitting down a lot and writing code at a glacial pace

[hushed pebble]

:3

[spark tiger]

i love when i can't do my homework the other way

even tho this is a completely valid code that returns what is intended it just doesn't count it

[spark tiger]

why thumbsdown

[autumn sigil]

your linter setup is broken

youre missing spaces on the imports and a newline after

bruh what is }catch(e){ who does that

[autumn sigil]

undefined state is good, sometimes you dont want to initialize memory

[fleet cedar]

In which case there are ways to opt into that

But in the common case, you do want to initialize stuff, so that's the most convenient

[autumn sigil]

[formal belfry]

that's my coding style :|

[formal belfry]

did you even heard about error handler?

[autumn sigil]

no never whats an error

my code just works

[spark tiger]

python my beloved

[formal belfry]

[formal belfry]

most annoying programmers be like:

[formal belfry]

python is ass

[spark tiger]

1. that's what we study at school
2. why

[formal belfry]

its not like even a programming language

when i code python

i feel like im coding english

[spark tiger]

wdym

[formal belfry]

how i explain

it don't give me the programming feel

you know

its too easy for a programming language

[fleet cedar]

Spice it up then, like I do

[formal belfry]

plus

[spark tiger]

what'd u rather solve stuff like aoc in?

if not python

[formal belfry]

explaning please :|

my first lang is not english

[spark tiger]

what language would you solve tasks like from Advent of Code if not in python that is "too easy"?

anything complicated seems just like pointlessly making your life harder

[formal belfry]

wait a sec

i don't know how you're saying it

are you angry, annoyed?

its a argue or just simple talking?

[spark tiger]

no, i'm geniuinily just curious what you would choose

[formal belfry]

js,c++,java, something that make me feel im programming

even for simple tasks

plus

they are faster

[spark tiger]

i mean js doesn't seem much "harder" than python

[formal belfry]

js is not hard

but not easy as python

[fleet cedar]

Python is very good for aoc

[formal belfry]

what is aoc? i never heard about it and i don't want to read that document :|

[fleet cedar]

Programming puzzles of increasing difficulty pasted each day

[formal belfry]

yeah

if i got right

that mean simple things?

im sorry, im so dump T_T

[fleet cedar]

First few are simple

[spark tiger]

if you chose like c++, you'd probably have to manually write some stuff that is already present in languages like python instead of actually spending time on trying to solve the puzzle

[fleet cedar]

Just, read it

[spark tiger]

i mean there is definitely something fun about that, but why not just use python in that case?

[dense sand]

im disgusted by availability of all backend frameworks for java, i will make my own instead

• Spring is too complex for no reason, nobody needs 10 different filters for one single request
• Ktor is too kotlin
• Javalin is too inline, i want mvc and spring features

[formal belfry]

writing few line code that you always write is that hard?

[fleet cedar]

Boilerplate is boilerplate

[spark tiger]

code you always write - probably not
but how can you be sure you'll get to make stuff you have already made

and not something you haven't even used before

[formal belfry]

hmm

you're right

if you want to do simple things

don't mind to use python

but

python is ASS for big projects

[fleet cedar]

Oh, certainly

[formal belfry]

i mean

its too fuching slow

but still peoples act like they found best programming language in the world

[fleet cedar]

It's fast to write and fast enough unless you're bruteforcing

[formal belfry]

cause its like you're writing english

[fleet cedar]

And that's a bad thing?

[formal belfry]

for someone like me

yes

i hate when everything is too easy

[fleet cedar]

Sure, write brainfuck if you want

I'm gonna stick with what's fun

Like https://github.com/Kyuuhachi/advent-of-code/blob/master/24/08.py

[formal belfry]

"brainfuck"

[fleet cedar]

Brainfuck, yes

Do you not know of it?

[formal belfry]

no

but

the name is so radicles

[cobalt ledge]

it's a really simple language

reason it's "hard" is that the most basic thing takes 10 years

its just math

[fleet cedar]

Syntax is the least important part of any language anyway

[cobalt ledge]

+ to increment
- to decrement
< to move left
> to move right
. to output
[ ] for loops

[fleet cedar]

Python would be exactly the same language, only a tiny bit more obnoxious, if all keywords were emojis and the whole code was written backwards

[cobalt ledge]

I mean yes but a lot of people tend to be opinionated over syntax

[formal belfry]

i swear one day python will add a AI to codes

[cobalt ledge]

There's people who dislike rust's syntax for example

[formal belfry]

what does rust use for?

[fleet cedar]

That sentence is a syntax error

[spark tiger]

I can't say I dislike its syntax but it definitely is not something I've seen before

[cobalt ledge]

I think it's marketed as a systems programming language, meant to become the new C++

Well doesn't completely replace it

[spark tiger]

maybe one day

[formal belfry]

hmm

[formal belfry]

me going to learn rust after seeing this message:

[cobalt ledge]

Fair, just feels really nice to write in personally

Reason I say it's probably not going to replace C++ is due to like legacy codebases with bajillions of lines of code

And Rust itself doesn't integrate too well with C++ to my knowledge

(might be misinfo)

[fleet cedar]

There's still stuff legacy systems in cobol and fortran after all

[formal belfry]

is there even a good programming language?

[cobalt ledge]

Yes there's a lot of great ones lol, it just depends on your use case

[formal belfry]

backend and windwos/linux application

[spark tiger]

I think any interaction with C/C++ code would make Rust code unsafe

[fleet cedar]

Yes, ffi is unsafe

[spark tiger]

at least that's what happens when you try to use a function from a DLL

[cobalt ledge]

Ah yes the language that uses columns

Is it true that if you know Cobol you're guaranteed a job?

[fleet cedar]

If you're okay with hating every day, probably

[cobalt ledge]

Lmao

[formal belfry]

me hating myself every single day:

[cobalt ledge]

Sad

Hope you doing well

[dawn ledge]

well cause nicer* syntax means you'll have a nicer time writing code

* definition of nicer is subjective

[autumn sigil]

integrating anything with cpp is terrible

[ivory heath]

Anything non monolithic makes rust unsafe which is why a lot of people question its use in the Linux kernel

Rust does not have its own “safe” abi and at this rate never will and even if it did literally everything talks in C not rust

[ivory heath]

Cpp is like a gun, except shooting your self in the foot it blows your whole leg off

[ivory heath]

Nothing really does.

Instead of “1:1” mapping in like C because C++ supports more complex ideas like classes and interfaces, your language then has to support things like Fat pointers and integrate it c++ fat pointers as well

And it’s all a big cluster fuck

When C just works

[autumn sigil]

no i think you quoted it wrong

[ivory heath]

In this analogy c/c++ IS THE GUN

I didn’t literally quote it word for word but they have the same damn meaning

[lost pawn]

Is this a me problem or did the server list api break again?

Neither in nor above work

[dense sand]

if I have a function which accepts some variable array of strings, and returns a string(they are all unique), how would i go about constructing some sort of a dependency tree?

[jade stone]

@sharp frigate ?

[sharp frigate]

I've already set up Vencord dev, read the documentation about the first plugin, usersPlugins and plugin. However, it's very brief, and doesn't explain much about how Discord modules work. I noticed that Discord had modules and they were identified with numbers by reading codes on github

[jade stone]

get programming role from info

#📖-info

[sharp frigate]

i requested access

[inner bone]

Please tell me how I can post my plugin? And if there are any unusual rules?

[elder scaffold]

For #1256395889354997771 : read pinned post
For the vencord repo:
https://github.com/Vendicated/Vencord/blob/main/CONTRIBUTING.md

[inner bone]

thank you

[solar thistle]

hmm

[runic sundial]

Yeah but in rust you can write yourself into a corner, and either have to box stuff or do a whole re-write to implement something that the system didn't account for

[ivory heath]

Async

[fleet cedar]

Async my beloved

[ivory heath]

My hated.

[fleet cedar]

Imagine not doing multiple things in parallel

[ivory heath]

Concurrency is good but function coloring isn’t

Real life example of why It’s bad even. https://youtu.be/TZxxWXVnb1E

[still jolt]

instead of watching him I just click the video, go to the description and read the actual article

[ivory heath]

Wrong video. I like him cause was an actual senior dev with experience in a fuck Ton of languages

This was the right video. https://youtu.be/_lwvoBBqa9k
article https://nullderef.com/blog/rust-async-sync/

It’s funny that the rusts community solution to this was effectively the same runtime golang uses

[autumn sigil]

slightly deranged

[autumn sigil]

concurrency isnt parallelism 🤓

[ivory heath]

To be honest idk which means which. I prefer just saying “multi threaded” and concurrently