owned by an organization
#πΎ-core-development
turbid hatch
well if the option is there
might as well try ut
it
if not, oh well
austere talon
how do i replay the same 10 seconds for 2hhours https://youtu.be/xofl84TRC8E?t=202
activities pr has so much code i look another time okay
what happened to sun
godi just reviewed like 7 prs and theres still 50 more
teal halo
extremely scary stuff (real)
austere talon
okay enough work done for today
time to go on hiatus for 2 weeks again
/hj
well i cant wait for vap to finish noise cancellation
speaking of which hows that going @spark cove
jagged cloak
nop hiatus for a month
austere talon
any roblox that are still in ur way?
spark cove
any roblox that are still in ur way?
u did so much today
also
yea just need people to test it
austere talon
ohhh real
spark cove
to make sure it isnt useless long term
austere talon
i will test tomorrow
spark cove
wait imma be in a call for
austere talon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6hzdW2N8kg
watch this first
spark cove
a while toay
austere talon
itll help feel better
spark cove
but someone with a worse cpu should test too
austere talon
btw i never told u but ur profile colours sooo good
spark cove
btw i never told u but ur profile colours sooo good
tyy
its my life's color palette
u can just use computed style on a temp element right
i love when websites try to have anti scam messages in their consols
but in reality when someone opens their console all they will see is this
spark cove
oop ur so right
austere talon
whar
spark cove
ayo check this out
austere talon
fire
woeful sable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6hzdW2N8kg
mf started playing sfoth music
austere talon
@placid hinge @placid hinge @placid hinge
i feel bad for ryan
did so much effort for nothing
yes
you dont even have to credit cause its same licensers
spark cove
well ryan's thing supports like
a lot of colors formats i think arent valid css colors
so kinda firerer
thats insane
is oklab like
a different color space
so its not projecting to rgb
or is it just too spicy π₯ π₯ π₯
ven got spicy with the pr queues
quasi solstice
austere talon
windows can have nice terms too
charred monolithBOT
austere talon
I don't understand
twin cape
cosmic grove
I might just mute this channel
patent minnow
tawny cipher
would be good if someone else could try as well
cunning canyon
would be good if someone else could try as well
doesnt work too
tawny cipher
can you send the raw message content
cunning canyon
jagged cloak
thats a nope for me too
tawny cipher
I have about zero ideas as to what's happening
austere talon
https://cdn.adriancastro.dev/Ge1Wepq.png
that's so weird what π
I didnt investigate further because at that point I was already pretty drained cause I reviewed a shit ton yesterday and there weren't any errors in the console
but I can check it out more
I suspect its related to your code relying on some data to already be existing
like it not functioning properly if you have an absolutely clean slate
try deleting all DataStore entries of the plugin and seeing if you can then reproduce
teal halo
https://cdn.adriancastro.dev/Ge1Wepq.png
never saw this
it just doesnt appear for me
btw would something that adds more themes here (theme-amoled and theme-darker) be considered a third party plugin or worth pushing into main
jagged cloak
considering theyre going to be adding those exact two themes into regular client soon i dont think theyd be there for very long
tawny cipher
never saw this
oh hey we know each other from dtesters, remember me 
median rapids
dtest me
teal halo
considering theyre going to be adding those exact two themes into regular client...
how old is amoled 
median rapids
why tf is that not already there
teal halo
id be surprised id they release it and darker soon tbh
median rapids
understood
teal halo
why tf is that not already there
why would it be here
median rapids
wdym?
median rapids
austere talon
why tf is that not already there
discor so dumb
long heart
you canβt register in the account switcher too
median rapids
that makes sense 
long heart
itβs just the form
torn knot
considering theyre going to be adding those exact two themes into regular client...
Don't tell me they will be changing the layout
I'm screwed if they do
ello
charred monolithBOT
charred monolithBOT
tawny cipher
kek injecting a local build on mac breaks discord, is anyone aware of that
not for me unfortunately
https://cdn.adriancastro.dev/iueXfNl.png
tawny cipher
ultrakek, no I didn't
it should probably not let you inject without building, or just do it automatically lol, brain signed off
my bad
charred monolithBOT
The BetterDiscord version can also pin DM/DMGroup to the server list, which the vencord implementation is missing.
Example in attachement:
glass cedar
Me when [Plugin}
spark cove
set interval notation
spark cove
this sounds kinda fire
my life would be so much better if server list was similar to channel list
and also had a search bar and folders
golden gulch
devilbro jumpscare
verbal pumice
isn't this basically the favorites folder
charred monolithBOT
golden gulch
spark cove
devilbro jumpscare
verbal pumice
oh
spark cove
discord already has a basic version of that
spark cove
maybe im just misunderstanding
austere talon
and also had a search bar and folders
ctrl + t:
austere talon
but yeah isnt this what u want lol
spark cove
kinda
fleet depot
I use ctrl k so often
Yeah I'm just more used to Ctrl k
fleet depot
why is it on 2 binds <:husk:1085109119410778143>
Probably for people used to opening new tabs
woeful sable
horror
charred monolithBOT
This plugin removes the 100 lines limit of Discord's file preview
Before:
After:
olive aurora
wukko jumpscare
charred monolithBOT
https://betterdiscord.app/plugin/AppNotifications
Always used it and it was my favorite plugin on betterdiscord, would love to see it on vencord aswell! β€οΈ
charred monolithBOT
This technically reopens #1454 because I sorted my fork and deleted/renamed the wrong branches.
This opt-in option makes Clyde send the article URL and embed instead of the fancy embed Clyde sends. This makes it far easier to copy an article link and send it in chat.
cloud sandal
Hello, I have a question is the FakeNitro's stream quality bypass affecting performance? Like is it more performance taxing than regular nitro streaming quality?
teal halo
i did this one last week but i suck at git
tame escarp
Hello, I have a question is the FakeNitro's stream quality bypass affecting perf...
vns
nimble pendantBOT
Hello, I have a question is the FakeNitro's stream quality bypass affecting perf...
charred monolithBOT
jagged cloak
austere talon
what is it with people and being unable to edit the title π
stark flint
[Bug] <title>
jagged cloak
[Bug] <title>
grave mangoBOT
https://github.com/Vencord/Vesktop/blob/main/src/updater/main.ts#L37-L38
**main.ts: **Lines 37-38
case "darwin":
return assets.find(a => a.name.endsWith(".dmg"))!.browser_download_url;
this used to work fine but now we have both amd64 and arm64 so it gives some people the wrong link
it needs to properly determine which one should be used
teal halo
why are there so many dmg/mac files π
teal halo
thats confusing
austere talon
this used to work fine but now we have both amd64 and arm64 so it gives some peo...
to emulate an update just decrement the version in package.json
teal halo
this used to work fine but now we have both amd64 and arm64 so it gives some peo...
cant it produce universal archives or is that too complicated
as in has both arm64 and intel in the same app
teal halo
dang it i hate it now (the issue itself and the bug)
austere talon
part of me wants to just disable issues
but they're useful for tracking stuff
and feature requests
charred monolithBOT
Better Discord has one called voice activity that will show icons on servers which has active VCs as well as show it on their profiles. Would love this on Vencord
austere talon
?
jagged cloak
mount virtual disk to install one application kinda insane
but i dont know how mac works so
didnt i say i would shut up
austere talon
wtf is sparkle
austere talon
why does mac not have tray
stark flint
do NOT
austere talon
probably not possible without code signing
stark flint
i will make pr #69 
teal halo
bet
charred monolithBOT
austere talon
u can under two conditions:
- it doesn't add considerable bloat. that's why i didn't use electron-builder updater, cause it quadrupled bundle size
- it doesn't require code signing
austere talon
does this look good to you ryan
idk anything about mac you have now become vesktop mac maintainer congratulation
austere talon
LMAO
okay but seriously how is mac this shit π
like
didnt they think for one second "hey maybe we shouldnt display the full resolution icon here"
charred monolithBOT
austere talon
π
charred monolithBOT
austere talon
ryaaaan
did u try the thing that someone said
where u put the colour on a temp element
charred monolithBOT
teal halo
didnt they think for one second "hey maybe we shouldnt display the full resoluti...
"devs will figure it out, blame them if it breaks"
imagine if discord had this exact issue when they made their mac app π
charred monolithBOT
austere talon
if it works on chrome its fine i think
teal halo
i will get pr 70 tho
i'll need a bit of help before that
how can i fix this error? it seems that platform node is already specified to it in the build script
is it just stupid
teal halo
how to get OS
ive literally never used react
dunno how that shit works
ty
let's just ignore that
"MacIntel"
i guess m1 doesnt exist
austere talon
it wouldn't, icns is a macOS-specific format
not true i think
or maybe im thinking about smth else
austere talon
YES THAT
charred monolithBOT
stark flint
amazing
austere talon
i kind of wanna make a new release alr
because i broke tray last update
well ryan did technically π’ (but i didnt notice either so its both of our faults and if anything its just my code's fault)
charred monolithBOT
austere talon
Sir this is vencord dev
austere talon
well ryan did technically π’ (but i didnt notice either so its both of our fault...
I think the bad code was even proposed by me
anyway I fixed it sooo
warm moon
alr then, i checked the v badge and is donation a little bit of money, but that gives the badge v? or if i donate good ammount it gives v, e, n, c, o, r, d badges?
warm moon
nice
austere talon
alr then, i checked the v badge and is donation a little bit of money, but that ...
you can get 1 or 2 badges
jagged cloak
only a spoonful of badges
teal halo
ew badges
teal halo
woeful sable
lumap hates badges
jagged cloak
<@487635071503826955> https://github.com/Vendicated/Vencord/pull/376
π
hope u know thats not manti btw
lol
quaint sapphire
well, didn't know impersonation was allowed here
jagged cloak
i mean server is usually chill
try it sometimes
#πΊ-regulars s/o
@crude hearth fix timedones
delete reviewdb when
crude hearth
delete reviewdb when
Never
quaint sapphire
ah yes, ben
jagged cloak
cunning canyon
π ±οΈencord
charred monolithBOT
jagged cloak
ive really got 14 pages of github comments
austere talon
technically you could the installer but it's really pointless
like why would you want an installer for an installer
charred monolithBOT
austere talon
oh yeah speaking of which someone wanted to put it into Windows repos
like scoop or smth I don't remember
but the threshold was 100 stars
which we now long have
teal halo
wtf you dont need plugins for that 
merry raven
counter point css is scary and strange and I don't know what I'm doing
stark flint
most common snippets are already in #π¨-css-snippets just search
jagged cloak
i thought they had a star requirement or something
at least for the main repo or whatever they call it
ok well it doesnt matter (ignore highlighted part i was searching for something)
unless vencord third party repo which is probably too much work just for mac aur 
https://github.com/Homebrew/brew/blob/master/docs/Acceptable-Casks.md
charred monolithBOT
teal halo
just buy a phone
tidal cloud
but but I need to look cool and cringe infront of my egirls!!!!!
fair crown
God
charred monolithBOT
grim jungle
use one at a time
that does not solve the issue
charred monolithBOT
rugged arrow
I have an idea for a plug in
charred monolithBOT
weary cave
Horror
fleet depot
Cssssss
Tho changing the plugin to have that built in doesn't seem like a bad idea so people stop asking
charred monolithBOT
Allows you to locally edit servers
Menu:
Local Settings:
9/10 it ends up in the container with other colored icons though idk what the issue is
charred monolithBOT
austere talon
but probably here
EVERY app has a coloured icon here
teal halo
π
stark flint
who even looks in there anyway
teal halo
every single third party app is colored cmon
charred monolithBOT
Gives you a (useless) random fact of the day each time you login to discord.
woeful sable
uwuifier
teal halo
uwufier will be missed
woeful sable
its funny because its not useless
woeful sable
prob
teal halo
autocorrect go fuck yourself
pulsar steppe
not actually oldcord, its not blinding light theme with funny circuitry background
fake old person
smh
it didnt even have the circuitry back then actually
teal halo
the heck
charred monolithBOT
I'm a little hard of sight, and when Discord is on my 1440p monitor I have to lean in a bit to read some of the text.
I was wondering if there could be a plugin to zoom everything in somewhat? Same way as if I had logged into Discord via my browser, then used my browser's zoom feature. There's a lot of dead space on the screen!
fleet depot
i'm starting to think im going about this entirely the wrong way
i wanted to make the settings section dynamic, basically "if vencord plugin has toolbox action, then add a toggle setting for it in settings"
that seemed simple enough right
i created a function that can take in a list of strings and create settings from that list
but as soon as i put in something where i make a list of all the toolbox action names... it fails
vencord just stops patching
charred monolithBOT
tame escarp
charred monolithBOT
austere talon
but as soon as i put in something where i make a list of all the toolbox action ...
?
I have no clue what that's supposed to mean sorry
fleet depot
i lied
austere talon
maybe show a code example
fleet depot
im confused this is my code example
?
and this is what's causing vencord to not inject
const toolboxActionNames = Object.values(plugins)
.filter(p => Vencord.Plugins.isPluginEnabled(p.name) && p.toolboxActions)
.flatMap(plugin => Object.keys(plugin.toolboxActions!));
ig this is what you mean
austere talon
is that code on top level
fleet depot
i just don't love it cuz it's messy
teal halo
ntts viewers acquiring a braincell challenge
fleet depot
see console error
i forgor
seems like Vencord.Plugins.plugins is not real in my created function
but if moved to VencordPopout it becomes real
austere talon
seems like Vencord.Plugins.plugins is not real in my created function
yes
if your code is top level then the Vencord global doesn't exist yet
fleet depot
sorry, still confused. what exactly is making it run top level if not the fact it's not in a react component
or in other words, because it's outside of a react component, doesn't that mean it's top level?
you're using the term top level but not defining it
austere talon
top level means code that runs instantly
thisIsTopLevel()
export default definePlugin({
name: thisIsAlsoTopLevel(),
start() {
thisIsnt()
}
})
oh wait actually your error is plugins being undefined
which is also caused by top level code
show your full code
fleet depot
function createPluginSettings() {
const definedSettings = Object.values(Vencord.Plugins.plugins)
.filter(p => Vencord.Plugins.isPluginEnabled(p.name) && p.toolboxActions)
.flatMap(plugin => Object.keys(plugin.toolboxActions!))
.map(v => ({ [v]: settingsBool(v) }))
.reduce((k, t) => ({ ...k, ...t }), {});
return definedSettings;
}
const settings = definePluginSettings({
...createPluginSettings(),
}).withPrivateSettings<{
pinnedPlugins: string[];
sidebarVisible: boolean;
}>();
full code
terror
there are probably a whole ton of better ways to do this, but i wanted something working first before i tried making it better
it's filtering, mapping, and reducing which seems like too much
but essentially it's just grabbing every plugin that's enabled and has a toolbox action, finding the action's name, and making a settings toggle for that plugin
austere talon
yes so top level code
you can't have code like this
that's a bad way of doing it anyway
austere talon
you make the code run on top level
it tries to use the global on top level which is not supported
either make the settings property on your plugin a getter so it's lazy or better yet don't use settings like this
you can use a component setting to render your own ui
or don't use settings at all
fleet depot
it feels most intuitive to have toggles
fleet depot
or don't use settings at all
so do you think it would be best to just if a plugin is enabled and has toolbox options... no customizing it?
there aren't that many yet
but if there's like 5... 8... it feels like something someone shoud be able to hide
i could... make another checkbox
have dueling checkboxes
k
upbeat spindle
torpid summit
that's me 
charred monolithBOT
oak hull
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/446242389661581312.webp?size=48&name=ThinkPoin...
you need "cute person" role
upbeat spindle
ooh, am i qualified to get that role?
upbeat spindle
i mean. i'm short but still, just to be sure.
olive aurora
nop
upbeat spindle
is it required to be a girl?
oak hull
no...
upbeat spindle
I didn't see cute boy role
oak hull
this role
upbeat spindle
oh,. universal usage.
jagged cloak
it was locked cause crap quality snippets
charred monolithBOT
fleet depot
hm iunno how to tell github i made those changes
that probably counts
im thinking i can make the two checkbox drop downs the same code
halve it ideally
charred monolithBOT
jagged cloak
i guess this is a stupid question i've probably asked before
but how come discord's naming is off in places
example: stickerItems in view raw but sticker_items inside dispatched (message_create) obj
genuinely confused
also causing type errors, simply using sticker_items and ts-ignoring seems to be working fine, meanwhile the "real" stickerItems gives me jack shit despite the message containing sticker items
its not just stickers btw this was just a good example since it's what i last had this issue with
now that im reading this probably types fail but eh
median rapids
you love snake case in api and camel case in client
tame escarp
prob because their backend is mostly snakecased languages (at least the parts they mention)
python, rust, elixir
sacred rune
who is the dev of vencord?
oak hull
vee
rare shale
who is the dev of vencord?
a cute person
cunning canyon
@sterile lagoon wtf are you doing π , git clone to your computer and do it there, not on github
rare shale
???????
median rapids
prob because their backend is mostly snakecased languages (at least the parts th...
yea
merry raven
it was locked cause crap quality snippets
was it my fault π’
hybrid crater
I'm have one dumb question is possible to make one click to delete all your messages from chats
fleet depot
(in other words, deleting all your messages from chats would be self botting)
hybrid crater
<#1015074670963335219> + <:notsupportchannel:1132288507172364360>
I know
Basically i got interesting about it
median rapids
oh so that is the reason horror
snake case is mostly the standard for apis
acoustic dune
Ayo probably not the right place for this but a note, the nickname remover feature of this is nice for accessibility β€οΈ I struggle remembering people who I've never met because I associate people with their faces, so online I often only have profile picture and name to associate someones person with - so when someone changes their pfp and nickname, it takes time to re-associate that person with their nickname, and as a result its hard to remember who's who - so seeing everyone's usernames first and nicknames second is really helpful for me
So I just wanna say thanks to y'all who put your time into developing Vencord β€οΈ It's really helpful for a lot of people for many different reasons
Also a thing I wanted to ask about, the plugins, are they stored anywhere in a repository or something? There's like no way to find any more information about the plugins than the vague at-most-five-words that are written in their descriptions
austere talon
Also a thing I wanted to ask about, the plugins, are they stored anywhere in a r...
documenting plugins better has been a thing i've been meaning to work on
but tons of effort
acoustic dune
Aa thanks
Could the documentating of them be done by the creators?
I tried BetterDisc before this (laggy af and not as cute btw) and there each plugin had a link to its source code repository, and people had themselves written pretty detailed descriptions in there
So I think people are willing to if it's easy enough
austere talon
Could the documentating of them be done by the creators?
yes but about half of them are made by me and i dont think all creators would do it
acoustic dune
Ohh yes that looks perfect
I was just about to say that it looks like the way you can document your plugins is extremely limited rn if it's just these two fields
austere talon
yes thats true
tawny cipher
well the thing is people just don't use that field properly anyway
acoustic dune
Gotta think about the UX for the developer too, if there's just a single string field to describe your plugin, you're not encouraged to write a lot of details
charred monolithBOT
tawny cipher
it's always the most vague desc you can think of
acoustic dune
Yeah the field doesn't make it clear how you're supposed to use it
tawny cipher
most plugins are just try and see if you find out how it works
verbal pumice
I was just about to say that it looks like the way you can document your plugins...
there's also settingsAboutComponent but like no plugins use that (see experiments for an example of a plugin that uses it)
acoustic dune
it's always the most vague desc you can think of
That's understandable though, because that's what a single "description" string makes it seem like its supposed to be
acoustic dune
Meanwhile with BetterDisc people are forced to use github repos for it, and there its the most natural thing to add a readme.md file, which makes it much easier and intuitive to write more details
acoustic dune
https://github.com/Vendicated/Vencord/issues/1383
This suggestion is solid
Use a markdown description file
Like, does description support newlines?
tawny cipher
looks like it just wraps automatically
acoustic dune
Then it's kinda impossible to write good descriptions
Imo not the plugin devs fault, it needs to be intuitive for them too
tawny cipher
ven is smort, including a readme is gud so it'll be better at some point
charred monolithBOT
teal halo
https://github.com/Vendicated/Vencord/issues/1383
that sounds like a good way to do it tbh
acoustic dune
Yaa its a great solution
charred monolithBOT
acoustic dune
Honestly perfect solution, md is so universal
teal halo
and tbh who cares about merge conflicts for PRs
if u rly wanna put ur plugin into main, a little structuration rework wont hurt anyone
acoustic dune
Yah exactly
Also btw,
a repository for third party plugins would be great for encouraging devs to make their own
I wouldn't've known vencord had third party plugin support unless I joined this discord to ask a question
acoustic dune
The easiest way to encourage plugin development imo, with minimal changes, would be to have a separate Repo for plugins
It's just like now, except it's discoverable by devs - because the first place a dev will look for how to contribute plugins is the GitHub repository, they will see that it's an option when they see the separate repository for it, instead of having to join the discord
It also makes it easy for open source nerds like me to see that the plugins source codes are also open, which wasn't intuitive to me at first
oak hull
understandable
austere talon
Also btw,
a repository for third party plugins would be great for encouraging d...
no
that's not how vencord functions
acoustic dune
How so?
austere talon
it's centralised, plugins are inbuilt
acoustic dune
Yeah I've seen that
tawny cipher
there's no third party plugins as you conventionally think of
acoustic dune
Ik, you gotta like add them to source
But it seems like that's still kinda the point of vencord though
austere talon
btw adrian did u figure out why snippet importer isnt working for others
or do i need to investigate
acoustic dune
Except plugins are very seriously vetted before being added to the code
Because without plugins what does vencord do
austere talon
But it seems like that's still kinda the point of vencord though
no
plugins are all inbuilt
acoustic dune
Yeah but they're made by the community are they not
austere talon
plugins in #1032200195582197831 are just those that weren't accepted for various reasons
yes they are
acoustic dune
Yeah so their development and sharing should be encouraged
austere talon
it is
acoustic dune
Right now you can only see that plugins can be made by joining the discord, is my point
austere talon
you just open a pr https://github.com/Vendicated/Vencord/compare
teal halo
any reason why QuickCSS has lower priority than themes? e.g. if you edit a theme-specific variable in quickcss the theme will override it anyway
tawny cipher
btw adrian did u figure out why snippet importer isnt working for others
I have no clue I tried logging everywhere but I got to zero coclusions I managed to replicate it not working if no datastore data is present, but I haven't managed to make it work, I debugged every piece of the code but nothing logged so I'm guessing somehow the context menu patch fails to run entirely
austere talon
any reason why QuickCSS has lower priority than themes? e.g. if you edit a theme...
simply an oversight
feel free to pr a fix
tawny cipher
but I couldn't tell you why
acoustic dune
you just open a pr https://github.com/Vendicated/Vencord/compare
My point is that it's not discoverable unless you join the discord
austere talon
i dont think thats true
acoustic dune
any reason why QuickCSS has lower priority than themes? e.g. if you edit a theme...
A fix for now is that you could probably put !important after the css rule
teal halo
feel free to pr a fix
k
tawny cipher
My point is that it's not discoverable unless you join the discord
would disagree
https://cdn.adriancastro.dev/domYFjt.png
acoustic dune
Where's that button?
tawny cipher
vencord settings
acoustic dune
Oh there
I came here asking for where the plugins were located though, to highlight my point
They're under src
tawny cipher
where else would they be
acoustic dune
When open source projects have plugin support they usually have a separate repo for them or something along those lines
Or it's written somewhere that you can contribute, such as the plugins page
acoustic dune
Making people open a PR directly to the main central repository for plugins seems a bit unusual
tawny cipher
dunno, seems straightforward enough for me
tawny cipher
don't think anyone's been complaining
austere talon
Making people open a PR directly to the main central repository for plugins seem...
many bigger open source projects use monorepos
acoustic dune
https://github.com/Vendicated/Vencord/blob/main/CONTRIBUTING.md
This doesn't mention the location of plugins
acoustic dune
many bigger open source projects use monorepos
Not community driven open source projects though
In my experience
tawny cipher
have a look at discord.js
austere talon
there are almost only advantages to having them in the same repo
to a point where i almost wish vencord and vesktop were in the same repo
acoustic dune
have a look at discord.js
Not community driven with optional community features, like plugin-driven projects
austere talon
plugins very often also modify vencord itself
that wouldn't be possible if they weren't in the same repo
tawny cipher
okay whatever you say mate
acoustic dune
The separate plugin repo doesn't need to be completely separate though, it could just be the current plugins folder as a git submodule or something
Which would do that
tawny cipher
I don't see any reason for that
acoustic dune
As I said, discoverability for developers
To make it clear to devs that use vencord that hey, you can make plugins
tawny cipher
ask around I don't think anyone had any issues there
acoustic dune
Because plugins is the core of vencord
Yeah because the people here have already discovered it
I'm talking about the large amount of people who presumably don't
tawny cipher
austere talon
with all due respect i think someone who can't find the plugins folder likely also can't make plugins
teal halo
To make it clear to devs that use vencord that hey, you can make plugins
tbh when you see that a lot of separate people made a lot of plugins, you're kinda lead to thinking that anyone can make plugins
bad wording mb
english sucks
acoustic dune
Yeah but it's not clear where unless you join the discord
And the contributor guide doesn't mention it either
acoustic dune
with all due respect i think someone who can't find the plugins folder likely al...
I'm a full time dev dummy
But devs still need UX
What I'm saying is that currently there are plugin devs, but there could be more, if it was made clear where plugin development happens
worn rivet
acoustic dune
As I saaid, it doesn't tell you where
teal halo
But devs still need UX
it's called DX π€π
tawny cipher
What I'm saying is that currently there are plugin devs, but there could be more...
I feel like it's mostly just a you problem tbh, I hadn't looked at the source in like since the project started making waves and I still had no troubles setting up for development
teal halo
i did require a bit of help when i first wanted to do things with vencord (mostly which pnpm commands i should use and when), but that's about it
acoustic dune
Not to be a 
but survivorship bias or whatever it's called
I might be the only one you've heard talking about this, but that doesn't mean I'm the only one who's had the problem, I could just be the only one who bothered coming here and saying so
teal halo
everything else after that, you can figure out
acoustic dune
Yeah you can figure it out, but you're not encouraged to - I think more people would contribute to plugins if they were encouraged to do so in some way
And since vencord is driven by plugins, that'd be a good thing
tawny cipher
I feel like if skids would open pr's those would mostly be rejected anyway, so I mean if as you say it requires a bit of neuron usage to figure it out, I actually think that's a good thing in terms of the quality
acoustic dune
Possibly, but like again, I'm a full time dev, and I came here asking for where I could contribute
But yeah it's a filtering mechanism
True
tawny cipher
full time anything doesn't always equal competent anything to be fair
tawny cipher
you could probably print it in braille and still find it rather quickly
austere talon
FUCK NO
making it super easy to find is, just like writing extensive documentation, a wasted effort
if people can't even find the plugins folder how will they find the correct function in Discord's minified code with 0 documentation
acoustic dune
If you bother doing that congrats
I look at a lot of open source projects, and I don't have time to scourge their folders to figure out where like, a plugin directory is, if I feel like figuring out if I want to contribute
Sometimes it's obvious, like /src/plugins, but other times you can look through folders for minutes without finding anything
So when I expect a project to want contributions, it's normal to expect it to write how
And the point is its so fucking easy to just write anywhere that you can contribute plugins in /src/plugins
tawny cipher
acoustic dune
Oh the horror, adding an extra line of text to make plugin contribution discoverable
teal halo
if people can't even find the plugins folder how will they find the correct func...
fair
acoustic dune
Maybe even to the CONTRIBUTE.MD file
acoustic dune
True if you're happy with that
tawny cipher
114 if my pr starts working 
acoustic dune
What I'm talking about is if you want to get as many devs as possible
That requires some ux
austere talon
i dont
acoustic dune
Valid
austere talon
i want to get clever high quality long time contributors
not tons of pretty stupid one time contributors who abandon their plugins after i guide them through improving their code
acoustic dune
That's very valid and in that case you don't need to make it discoverable, because you have a decent contributor base already
teal halo
mfw https://github.com/Vendicated/Vencord/graphs/contributors only shows 100 people max
tawny cipher
i want to get clever high quality long time contributors
ah that's unfortunate, I qualify as mildly competent
limber skiff
If you can't find a plugin folder how are you gonna find how to patch the right stuff on discord
austere talon
ah that's unfortunate, I qualify as mildly competent
your pr was one of the better ones I've reviewed recently
good code
tawny cipher
thank you
acoustic dune
Dear lord no
tawny cipher
austere talon
If you can't find a plugin folder how are you gonna find how to patch the right ...
yeah i said the same thing π
acoustic dune
They don't make anything possible that isnt doable through commandline
Yeah but it exists for devs ux
Anyways this is getting besides the point
acoustic dune
not tons of pretty stupid one time contributors who abandon their plugins after ...
This answered my question
olive aurora
gh desktop so bad
tawny cipher
true and real
teal halo
making the plugins folder accessible wont help if you cant code a plugin anyway (99% of people cant do that anyway)
olive aurora
use git cli like a normal person
tawny cipher
double true and double real
acoustic dune
It's really good honestly
And it prevents devs who didn't grow up with git cli, like anyone over the age of 30, from fucking up
tidal cloud
gh desktop so bad
it isn't terrible but better tools exist
teal halo
git cli is based
austere talon
thats a skill issue kinda
teal halo
here's the middle ground then
austere talon
i exclusively use git cli
acoustic dune
With GitHub Desktop devs are encouraged to commit even singular lines of code
tawny cipher
wat
acoustic dune
Devs who use CLI in my experience commit irregularly and lots of things at the same time
olive aurora
I use lazygit sometimes when I need to do smth w part of a file
acoustic dune
Whereas with Github Desktop, because of the UX, it's so intuitive to commit just parts of a file or individual files at the time that thats what people end up doing more
Leading to a much better git repository
teal halo
UI* π€
acoustic dune
GitHub Desktop encourages the correct usage of Git, whereas Git CLI kids just feel cool using it and end up having terrible commit practices
olive aurora
With GitHub Desktop devs are encouraged to commit even singular lines of code
that's bad tho
tawny cipher
I do cli only except for some stuff in xcode and vsc depending on how I'm feeling
olive aurora
teal halo
bro is gonna do 960 commits for a 40 lines file
tawny cipher
acoustic dune
When you make a lot of changes to a file but only one function is relevant to the branch or even pushable, a CLI user wont bother commiting just the function
charred monolithBOT
acoustic dune
UX for devs matters
olive aurora
yknow you can also do that from ur ide
acoustic dune
Some IDE's can with the right extensions
oak hull
i dont know how to setup a github repo from any ide (except vsc and vs)
so i either
- dont attempt to make a repo
- upload files manually