📕┇lore

[quartz island]

Good thing no tigers were harmed in the harvesting of Tiger Juice.

[lavish skiff]

This would explain the Season 3 cutscene where people that seem not to be partaking in the Finals get transported into the game upon the reboot. Kinda implies that the Finals seem to be the backbone of the VR world? Why would someone in his Virtual kitchen get transported into the Game when that resets.

[lofty nest]

IMO, this can still all be explained away with the virtual world in my opinion.

OSPUZE and Tiger Juice seems to be marketed for the players of The Finals.

The electricity is used to keep the virtual world both Finals and not-Finals running.

Iseul-T is all about being anonymous and being able to look like anyone in the virtual world, Holtow is your average insurance company ramped up to the nth degree scamming the shit out of people for insurance they don’t even need (or artificially created reasons like your virtual house being destroyed), Engimo is for connection to the virtual world/The Finals, etc.

[lofty nest]

I wouldn’t be surprised if the same sentient AI running The Finals was responsible for the rest of the “virtual world” as well.

[clever cloak]

the ospuze ad is funny as hell lol

[quartz island]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903

Good discussions ppl

[lavish skiff]

I guess we gotta agree to disagree

[cosmic tapir]

"Ospuze Tiger Juice™ contains up to 40% extract from Tiger Fruit /Trash Paw, exclusively engineered to thrive in the nutrient-rich soils of the South Atlantic Landfill. No animals, mascots or actual tigers were compromised in harvesting. All fruit matter is landfill-grown, grade-A, and certified to trigger your inner alpha-carnivore. Pop. Pour. Perform.­™ is not merely a slogan- it is a sequence. Failure to observe proper order may result in disorientation, sensory overlap, or spontaneous multilingual roaring. Under no circumstances should "Perform" precede "Pop", unless under supervised conditions or sanctioned exhibitions. Use of Ospuze Tiger Juice™ may result in elevated heart rate, visual sharpness, and a temporary reassessment of the food chain. Reported effects include momentary disassociated with spatial norms, intense color saturation, and minor conversational latency with inanimate objects. Symptoms typically subside. Do not taunt the can. Tiger Fruit/TrashPaw™ is a registered trademark of Trentila: The Taste of Tomorrow."

I wonder what is the South Atlantic landfill...

don't tell me that the finals is a retro shooter in the ARC Raiders universe

[lofty nest]

Probably a more severe/world-wide oceans version of things like the Great Pacific Garbage Patch we have in the Pacific Ocean rn, but far bigger size and pollution-wise?

[cosmic tapir]

that or oceans dry up?

[lofty nest]

Either that or so much trash has been dumped into the ocean it genuinely became trash islands (like how humans have tried to make artificial islands before, except in this case, with trash) is my guess

“nutrient-rich soils of the South Atlantic Landfill” 💀

[remote pike]

I wanna know what the consequences of taunting the can are

[teal blaze]

So is the tiger juice stuff some sort of collab between ospuze and trentila? The growing techniques definitely show that a creative agriculture group like trentila could have grown the fruit stuff and then was marketed under ospuze's brand name for exposure.

[lofty nest]

Yeah, Trentila seems to be the “agriculture”/“GMO”/“biomodification” group (not saying GMOs in our world are bad, but I definitely do not fucking trust Trentila GMOs whatsofuckingever nor any other corporation in this setting’s world) except taken to the nth degree, same with how every other corporation is with their own field

[teal blaze]

Yeah growing the primary ingredient of your product in a landfill really doesn't seem like a great sales choice..

[fossil niche]

Hello guys! Am I the only one that thinks Embark will bring vehicles in update 6.9?

Considering the following:

1. Embark already experimented with vehicles (Vehicles could be seen in an early trailer of the game)
2. Rob has been teasing update 6.9 for a while as one if not the biggest update of the game
3. Update 6.8 just released so it is strange to mention 6.9 instead in the video description
4. The character seems to be driving a car in the video
5. Following the pattern of previous season, update 6.9 should not have a specific sponsor as it should be the sponsor showdown

What do you think of all this?

[lofty nest]

Not the first time companies in lore have bragged about things that are absolutely insane or fucking horrendously bad as if they were good things instead

Engimo literally brags it spies on every single thing you do always and ever, you will never ever be alone

[lavish skiff]

highly doubt it personally. mainly because how would Vehicles function in the Finals? The maps are mostly indoors and hardly big enough to justify getting into a car

[lofty nest]

Vaiiya basically brags about being literal thought control/moderation

[teal blaze]

Same with alfa afta's industrial killing machines for "self-defense" against the working class

[lavish skiff]

My comfort dystopian social media company with them im never alone :3

[lofty nest]

Same with this, they’re marketing it as if it’s actually a great thing to grow in landfills because of “nutrient rich soils” and “grade A quality” and that jazz

[brisk yew]

They're in space so makes sense 👍

[teal blaze]

Obverse side effects are merely you performing before you pop and pour lmao

[lofty nest]

Every single corporation we’ve seen so far is like the genuinely unhinged unrestrained parody of real world ones taken to the absolute extreme with literally nothing in their way to stop them

[lavish skiff]

My question would be what happend to the regular farmland that now Food has to be grown on a landfill in the Ocean.

[lofty nest]

Ospuze outright brags it puts drugs in the drinks for instance

[teal blaze]

It must be that multico has really taken domination over every economic scene in this time

[lofty nest]

Either reserved for the “high class” folk

Or annihilated/contaminated/destroyed/radiated/etc by human conflict and pollution and the like

Or removed to make way for more buildings and power plants and other shit like that

if I had to guess

[fossil niche]

Maybe they will add new maps or adapt existing ones like Monaco and Las Vegas for a new game mode?

[lavish skiff]

mhm

[lavish skiff]

I mean anything is possible. I would just be heavily suprised if that ever get's added. It feels really missplaced in a Arena Shooter.

[lofty nest]

Multico outright owns at least like 3 different corporations (Holtow/Iseul-T/Engimo), and probably more, or even if not owning the rest, a position of extreme power/dominance over the rest

[brisk yew]

We dunno but most likely some kind of massive environmental disaster like a lot of global warming or a super volcano erupting (based on Vegas Sandstorm and Bernal, as we know Finals AI is a little dumb and picks stuff it sees. Furthermore, we suspect Finals AI and ARC AI are the same and so it's pulling data from earth).

[lofty nest]

Wouldn’t be surprised if it ended up being human conflict related bombing/irradiating/etc the earth either

Or corporations deciding they can get rid of the farmland to make room for more other stuff

[brisk yew]

There's also the Holtow Sun Insurance ad that further points towards Volcano theory

[lavish skiff]

Might be a bit of a dumb question but how do we know about everything being a simulation?

[lofty nest]

I’m pretty sure Holtow is scamming the shit out of regular people on purpose with offering insurance that’s literally irrelevant and will never be needed (eg sun insurance) or things that are only needed because the system will make them needed (like virtual aliens destroying your virtual house)

[brisk yew]

Unlikely cus there was an at least semi worldwide collaborative space project (Jiangsu Romanga is from China yet Acerra is in Italy, plus imports from other companies such as Su Durante).

[lavish skiff]

Irl Farmland is destroyed / made unusable due to profit insensitives, It doesnt need a war or cataclysmic event to ruin the earth. Just human greed is enough lol

[lofty nest]

I mean real world literally has frequent shit like foodborne disease outbreaks because corporations don’t want to spend the extra money to ensure more hygienic standards for farmlands and animal husbandry and agriculture and the like

And would rather do the absolute bare minimum they’re allowed to get away with legally/enough to not have disease outbreaks too often

[brisk yew]

We don't know that, we just know The Finals is a popular VR gameshow. However we do know that in Arc Raiders, the rich left in a massive space project leaving the poor behind. Whether they ever made it to a new planet or are still on the ship is unclear.

[lofty nest]

The number of times we’ve had things like salmonella or e.coli outbreaks because agricultural companies would rather save money by packing animals so close together they shit all over themselves, each other, any eggs, etc because they’re packed like sardines while still alive 🫠

Or spamming the shit out of pesticides to have as many viable to sell crops as possible and then people realizing it’s devastating bee populations which is fucking things over because their role as pollinators is literally critical

[lavish skiff]

ok but we don't know if that happend in Finals canon yet correct?

[lofty nest]

If that’s the case, my guess is more like greed taken to the 15th degree and then some

[lavish skiff]

I watched one to many documentaries on this stuff. And then people ask me why I have a hard time eating meat LOL

[lofty nest]

Like eg, Dissun being a parody of real world companies that would not give a single flying fuck if the earth burned if it meant they could get more money out by drilling for even more oil or gas or other resources

[lavish skiff]

Parody right...

[lofty nest]

Cause either they’re going to be dead and so it’s not their problem in their eyes, or so fucking rich it won’t affect them as much, and how anyone else fares is utterly fucking irrelevant to them

[lavish skiff]

[brisk yew]

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1368471596125392956

It's all in there somewhere. Haven't had time to make a Miro.

Start w/ pins

[lavish skiff]

I think you missunderstand what im saying LOL but is ok. I was just curious

[lofty nest]

Finals society setting is pretty much outright hyper end stage capitalism taken to the absolute possible extreme after dismantling every single possible system/law/etc that would get in the way of more profit

This is reminding me of a meme I saw before, where it was like the kind of future people want

And for most people, it being Star Trek

For the extreme top %, it being Dune

lmfao

[brisk yew]

Arc Raiders is cannon to The Finals in "someway" It's the top pin in there. Best spot to start.

[brisk yew]

Capitalism in space

[lofty nest]

The spice must flow

[fossil shadow]

quick theory, what if the money that your contestant is earning in THE FINALS is meant to be used to escape Earth (leading into Arc Raiders), surely not everyone was able to leave all at once and people who are stuck on Earth battling it out under the sponsors are doing so for a reason

[dawn scarab]

they put something in the ospuze. to make you forget.

[regal oxide]

I think Trentila is the first major sponsor to not have its name fully capitalized

[brisk yew]

The fact that corporations changed their names/logos between the space project and The Finals kinda discredits that. There were clearly fragments of these companies left behind as well. If people were competing for tickets, why would companies be different?

[boreal vapor]

This new Ospuze ad has made me even gladder that I didn’t sign with Ospuze 😏

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009830123463266365/1372942806787555388/THE_FINALS_OSPUZE_Tiger_Juice_Final_H264.mp4?ex=68289c21&is=68274aa1&hm=8296120376e13f563f188c51ee4d3c2c75a58afdadc655cf9bdb2316162b6485&

[lofty nest]

iirc, winning in the finals in actual lore is implied to bring tremendous fame and wealth

[fossil shadow]

See I didn't actually play Arc or look into much of the footage of any sponsors in the game, so I'll take your word for it :D

What corporations changed their names?

[fossil shadow]

Maybe its just my own crackpot theory then, I saw it as the wealth would be used to 'get out'

[lofty nest]

I’m still of the theory The Finals is being played in outer space by whatever people were able to buy their way out of Earth, and the corpos in space exist basically solely and purely for space/virtual life/continuing smooth running of that society and The Finals being played

[brisk yew]

Like a 99% chance that is the case. No evidence of The Finals on earth during Arc.

[lofty nest]

Yeah was gonna say

[fossil shadow]

Could I be filled in on what was seen of THE FINALS' sponsors in Arc? Or is there a place I could check it?

[lofty nest]

Earth is straight up post apocalyptic in ARC, surface world is unlivable, and tech has regressed absurdly far back into the past because everything on the surface is destroyed or otherwise not livable long term

So it’s just what people can bring from the surface to below ground and/or make below ground

[fossil shadow]

All I recall from ARC was the DISSUN logo being behind one of the machines (placeholder asset?) and that machines rule the overworld

[brisk yew]

Well its a bit of speculation but Jiangsu Romanga changed their logo. ERMA CORA is almost definitely ALFA ACTA. HL (shipping company) in Arc Raiders uses Ivada codes/tags that can be found in game. And I think that's all the kinda concrete evidence

[brisk yew]

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1368471596125392956
Go to the first pin, not the locations

[brisk yew]

Oh we also see MANY MANY more of the unknown/underused sponsors in Arc, pointing towards those being old world companies/logos

[fossil shadow]

Is Jiangsu Romanga even in THE FINALS currently besides the racer set? haha

I saw someone spotted a logo from THE FINALS' media on someone's jacket in Arc Raiders, this one

[brisk yew]

Yes it's "new logo" was shown in The Finals Alpha Trailer (all trailers are cannon and are in literal order)

[brisk yew]

Lanza yes

[fossil shadow]

I assume no lead on what Lanza is/does

[brisk yew]

Not really other than the fact they're another example of like one off The Finals companies being way more common in Arc Raiders

[fossil shadow]

I see, I think if anything seeing THE FINALS known sponsors in ARC would be a lot more fruitful than some of the unknown one off ones like you called them, did anything happen with that DISSUN rollerbot or was it just a reused asset?

[brisk yew]

Well the Dissun thing is definitely relevant. That's the main reason we think that The Finals space program people are attacking earth with Arc right now. Dissun is associated with Arc. Arc could point towards ALFA ACTA. And MultiCo docs mention 3 dawns, 1 night, which could correlate to the 3 waves mentioned in game and what's to come

[fossil shadow]

I missed out on a lot of lore by not getting to play ARC haha, what a shame, nothing is confirmed though I assume, all just educated guesses

Does ARC in the game have any reason to be ravaging Earth/killing life? Is it autonomous or being led by people who want resources?

[brisk yew]

Autonomous and we don't know the motivation

[fossil shadow]

But the theory is that it was manmade by one of these companys that could tie back to THE FINALS

[lavish skiff]

Wasn't Dissuns logo invented on a poster or something along those lines?

[flint shale]

I came here looking for anything around ER8 Armaments and found a much much deeper rabbit hole lol

[sacred latch]

Just saw the OSPUZE ad. So Trentila does genetically-engineered crops, (which we knew), and many crops are grown in a massive landfill... and it seems the FDA do not exist in this universe

[lavish skiff]

Finals lore & TFEE in a nutshell

[lavish skiff]

I don't think any oversight or regulating organisations exist in the World of the finals at all :'D

[trail wren]

ARC x THE FINALS again? 💀

[lavish skiff]

[fossil shadow]

Yeeeees :D

[sacred latch]

TBF the more I hear about both, there are similarities between both universes

it seems the climate and atmosphere of TF is falling into a similar disrepair as ARC's Exodus crisis

[trail wren]

Fish please no

[sacred latch]

I'm not trying to be like the annoying people, I'm just looking at what we know about both, and I'm not saying they are connected at all.

Just funny how there is a climate crisis and apocalypse for both ARC and Finals around the year 2100

[regal oxide]

Almost definitely a coincidence but South Atlantic Landfill <--> SAL Scoria

[sacred latch]

Haha that's funny

[regal oxide]

so Tiger Fruit/TrashPaw™ is the trademarked name of the thing that Trentila extracts from the South Atlantic Landfill and then sells to drink companies to use as flavoring

I think?

or rather it's a fruit they grow and farm in the soil of the landfill

the two knows customers being OSPUZE and whoever sells Tiger Fizz

[sacred latch]

My favourite part is "Do not taunt the can." 😭

@regal oxide I think Tiger Fizz could either be an Ospuze or Trentila owned thing

I'd be surprised if there was a separate corp, seeing as this is all very "monopoly"

[sacred latch]

We know it's a fruit because they call it "fruit matter", but that could mean it's shaped nothing like a fruit tbf

[regal oxide]

yeah, or just another company owned by MultiCo

on that topic, we know MultiCo owns Enimgo, Holtow, and Iseul-t, but I expect they own lots of other sponsors, maybe Discovery Corp too

[fossil shadow]

Since the 'tester sample' OSPUZE charm, I made the comparison of Tiger Fizz being a separate brand that OSPUZE is trying to cannibalize by making their own competitor to it

[tiny swan]

Is the next map a SA map ?

South America map ?

[stable lake]

I hope they do Africa (no desert maps), in due time I’m sure

[tiny swan]

The OSPUZE fine print says they harvest the trash paw from a south Atlantic land fill

That would put us in Brazil , Argentina or URUGUAY. Not sure if that should be seen as clues but it’s fun to speculate

Also Trentila and OSPUZE are collaborating on the tiger juice drink

The CEO of OSPUZE is From argentina

[hasty linden]

Trentila: The Taste of Tomorrow.
https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/ShAK-50#/media/File:ShAK-50_TASTE_OF_TOMORROW.png
maybe there is some EE in this skin?

[tiny swan]

Not sure that just seems like a piñata skin , not to be confused with pirañas which are also mentioned in the latest skin set

And pirañas are native to SOUTH America , which puts us back to countries like Brazil and Argentina

Brazil had one of the biggest land fills and it’s also in the south Atlantic … 😬

[queen warren]

THIS GAME HAS LORE?????

[half yarrow]

Well I mean, you won't find deep lore about the origins of the universe or anything, but there is definitely plenty of stuff to learn about the many sponsors/corps involved in The Finals gameshow, plus each season being a part to a narrative. It's just that nothing is directly told to the players in-game, you find out about this through clues left in maps, cosmetics, item descriptions, or the occasional line dropped by Scotty and June implying at things.

[desert schooner]

uhh the ospuze juice is finally real…? YAAAAAY

[inner burrow]

Arc raiders takes place in 2180, theres a poster for a sponsor that's in the finals in arc raiders

There's a sticker for a sponsor in the finals that says "since 2064"
So sometime between 2064 and 2180 is when the finals takes place
But since in arc raiders it's apparent the ARC have been running things for a while we can cut off maybe 2 decades
But since companies usually don't say "since [insert date]" unless they've been in business for like at least a decade we can probably cut off another decade

So the finals takes place between 2074 and 2160, 76 possible years

This is all assuming the finals takes place before the ARC started destroying the world,
Which in my opinion is a pretty sensible assumption

[humble goblet]

"spontaneous multilingual roaring"

[left basin]

uh

me and the homies on rn, seems like a you issue

lmfao

[mint jetty]

Arc raiders is 70-80 years after the finals

[inner burrow]

We don't know when the finals takes place so

I was giving a range of years for which it could have

[empty timber]

around 2100

[gentle bronze]

it's ~2100

[gentle bronze]

tbh it's probably all one big corp (multi corp 🔥✍️) and it doesn't really matter who owns what

[lethal igloo]

Guys I think the finals lore has slight themes of anti capitalism

Just a hunch tbh……

[gilded trench]

Arc raiders and the finals are totally connected like look at this

[lethal igloo]

Probably just reusing assets

I’d wait until the game is fully out to make connections cause a lot can just be placeholders

[gilded trench]

Just like titanfall and apex legends are connected

[sacred latch]

You say that like they hadn't permanently removed that from the ARC website after they moved that logo to FINALS

[gilded trench]

I mean...I have no answers then embark studio

[trail wren]

we will never get over this 💀

[gilded trench]

OK BUDDY EMBARK

[trail wren]

Titanfall and Apex are not just “connected”, they’re literally the same universe - we have no concrete info about this happening here

we just need an Embarker to come in and straight up say it 💀

[sturdy crag]

My CNS theory
CNS isn't actually hacking the show, they're made up to gain attention to it

[exotic glade]

Slavery

[sturdy crag]

trentilla is a food company, correct?

[stable lake]

Yessir

[hollow kettle]

Trentila is an agricultural company specializing in engineered farming and harvesting. The company sponsors THE FINALS and was featured in the Season 5 Battle Pass. Trentila's slogans include "The Taste of Tomorrow".

[sacred latch]

As 9riseus said, they grow stuff

their business is genetically modified plants/farming

[hollow kettle]

I took the information from the community wiki on THE FINALS

[sturdy crag]

Anyone else think the meatspace is post-apacolyptic?

[native cave]

No, it's likely pre-apocalyptic. There's no evidence that a defined apocalyptic event has happened, only that the world is an increasingly less attractive space to inhabit compared to the virtual.

If Arc and The Finals are connected, the truly apocalyptic event is likely the rogue Arc AI takeover happening at some point in the future. But climate change, earth's growing inhability, and food scarcity are not "post" apocalyptic.

[sturdy crag]

I have to agree with that
I would like to agree that ARC RAIDERS takes place in THE FINALS' universe

[left basin]

pretty sure it does

They legit have the sponsor in on of the trailers i think

the lady from Ospuze i think

definitely the ospuze lady

had to double check

[rigid night]

finals could be after arc

actually nvm dont make sense

[pseudo ledge]

Pleas Explain this

[pseudo ledge]

the finals is befor Arc

[rigid night]

explain what

[pseudo ledge]

the tunnle

[rigid night]

what about it

[abstract turret]

duno

[trail wren]

if this ARC stuff continues ima have remove this channel from my list for a while

[fossil shadow]

It will definitely continue :D

[left basin]

that's the tunnel we run out off LMFAO

how tf did you even manage that💀

[untold spear]

huh

[pseudo ledge]

magic

[left basin]

lmfao

[pseudo ledge]

Oh No the FBI is on to me

[foggy iron]

does this game seriously have lore

[wet ibex]

no its an elaborate trick by everyone in this server
(there is MUCH lore)

[foggy iron]

that's wild

[sacred latch]

yep!

[vital bone]

Lore goes crazy

[narrow rain]

ok guys if its a gameshow that means we are playing games for people right, but if thats true whats up with our real bodies is it like vr or are do we have like chips in us to make us hallucinate all of it, and were just stuck.

also do people from the finals like have real lives are they like stuck in the finals,

[narrow rain]

What about the acheivment just like scotty, since scotty was a retired the finals contestant, what happened to him we all hear hes great and all but, we never learn what he did or how he did it

we could lower the amount of time based on how long scotty was a contestant

as if we'll ever find something like that out

also why would there even be a lore section here if there wasnt any

[modern loom]

We know that THE FINALS is in VR and we know that there are brain chips by VAIIYA to isolate the brain from "third party influence". In addition we know that the time, the game plays in, is like 2100 and VR is so popular that the real world is referred as the "meat space" and most people are in VR the whole day.

[empty timber]

https://tenor.com/view/virtual-reality-oasis-wade-watts-ready-player-one-ready-player-one-movie-gif-10893788

[paper canyon]

Nooooooooo :(

[dreamy tiger]

yo

[glacial charm]

any clues about next season theme ?

[jovial nest]

To be fair, there has been speculations that ARC Raiders and the finals are in the same universe

[worn flax]

I don't think they're much of a speculation, since there are brands that are in both games (Theres a better example than this but I can't find it)

It would make sense that this is an older version of alfa acta, and alfa acta has stopped selling things to the meatspace, therefore the logo is more modern and refined in the finals

[empty timber]

?? timeline doesn't add up the finals is 2100, arc is 2180

and i think you put the wrong logo here, that one from arc look like x7av

[worn flax]

if the raiders scavenge for their armour, it wouldn't be out of the question that they found helmets from years and years ago.

[worn flax]

ah fair enough. I just searched up on google for links between arc and the finals because I was looking for that specific image. (the one that I posted)

[dreamy tiger]

yo

[trail wren]

bro 💀💀💀

[amber rampart]

yo how?

[amber rampart]

wsg

[lucid delta]

Why are the finals called a gameshow when it is more a sport

Ei: sponsorships, tournaments, professional players, etc

[dreamy tiger]

yo

[brisk yew]

Jiangsu is in both, Dissun is in TF and is in Arc official art work. And we found X7AV today. ALFA ACTA is most likely ERMA CORA btw

[elfin patio]

huh

what does that even mean

[vernal solar]

a

[elfin patio]

a

so is there lore in this game

[lucid delta]

Yo:gurt

[lavish skiff]

Yes! Though it's very scarce and not a lot has been uncovered so far. Finals has a narrative and things do happen but it doesn't tell a giant epic story that you can just read up on. At least none that we have seen yet. If you are interested I recommend checking out the Wiki or Spears Videos

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSY_LZc1Fkyv3SLMCnAItsFmgGTFgB9rz

[teal blaze]

Why is everyone so desperate for the two games to be connected I'd honestly prefer by far if they were separate

Anything more than cameos seems a little unnecessary

[lavish skiff]

same

[jagged dew]

https://www.twitch.tv/bigqpdaz/clip/SnappyMiniatureBeanMrDestructoid-F0VuP83Qeq-_qrxC

[lucid delta]

Why is the world in the finals so awful for people to completely envelop themselves in vr

[tranquil cloud]

corporatist hell

[lavish skiff]

yur late stage hyper-capitalism go brrrr

[lucid delta]

Personally I don't belive the finals is anti capitalist

I belive it is more of a critique of turning a blind eye to modern day problems

And developing long terms solutions for then

[lucid delta]

They sell guns for self defense in the meat space

Thats their whole thing

[tranquil cloud]

i think climate change and evil global corporations has some anti capitalist flavors to it

[lucid delta]

How are the corps in the game evil?

[native cave]

LOL

[native cave]

I guess that depends entirely on your perspective on corps IRL. We are in a Discord server, so this will turn into a political debate real quick, and I'll just keep my Marxist tendencies to myself. I will say this: if you don't believe that Lockheed Martin, Nestle, Chiquita, Google et al. are "evil," then I suppose a person such as yourself would not then think that Ospuze, Alfa Acta, ENGIMO, etc. are "evil."

[lucid delta]

They aren't reputable, but they aren't exactly awful

[tranquil cloud]

hit em with the “LOL”😭 thank you for making my point for me without getting too political

[native cave]

Instituting banana republics, deploying kill squads against workers, lobbying for "maximum" wages, funding Warhawk think tanks to goad nations into war for profit, lying to and spying on users, buying water rights from dictators, paying their civilians pennies to extract their own natural resources to sell back to their privileged classes, while funneling all that profit back to the imperial core....

The lengths to which some people go to defend this crap 🤮

Just play this and CO2077, Citizen Sleeper, anything with an open mind and maybe you'll actually develop a conscience man, idk.

[tranquil cloud]

i was just assuming he meant the finals companys “werent reputable but not awful” and wasnt defending the likes of nestle or lockheed because woah man

[native cave]

Nah, I'm pretty sure that's exactly what he's saying.

[tranquil cloud]

gulp

but fr the finals companys are such an ironic critique of hypercapitalist ideals, “we dont censor we cultivate” and ospuze labels saying ingredients are sourced from landfills is just so funny, the anticap ideas in it just add so much for me

only vaiiya approved thoughts here

[native cave]

Damn I forgot VAIIYA is just wiping everything I say anyway, why bother

Or no, they're preventing me from even thinking them, so jokes on you VAIIYA, I'm definitely thinking them.

[lavish skiff]

bro about to commit thought crime

[tranquil cloud]

dude theyll get you stop

[cyan tiger]

Who are those Örf creatures?

[tranquil cloud]

its like a childerens show type of deal iirc

[lucid delta]

Watcha talking about

War is awesome

1. It is american as apple pie

2. It has respawns and my little dark age in the background

3. Have you ever played cod? We are always the good guys, and are causes are righteous, no exceptions

4. Guns are cool, and big boom

[sinful forge]

in the most literal sense lmao

[elfin warren]

1984 style

[vital bone]

Yur

[frosty island]

maybe bc the definition of “sport” isnt really solidarity, and technically it is a sport, but theres many countries who regard sports as something not harmful to living creatures, so its more like a gameshow held in the future where you compete & theres a respawn feature. & there’s ceo’s who sponsor.

and its an entertainment for ppl

although it may be a sport since there’s fans in the “arena’s”

[wet ibex]

do you think people gamble water on the finals matches
if so im sorry to all the people that died from dehydration because of me

[lavish skiff]

Oh 100% I wouldn't even be surprised if there is a thing like fixed matches. etc. obv speculation but I can totally see it

[hardy berry]

So I'm late to this obv but it sounds like the trash island IRL is larger/worse in the finals

Considering there's able to be some kind of crop farming there, it might even have a population

Can't wait to here about the pacific trash island demanding independence

[lavish skiff]

A thing a friend pointed out is that South Atlantic could also refer to the South Atlantic states (America). It's not like it really matters lore wise. But the thought that Florida was turned into a Landfill is kinda funny.

[hardy berry]

I mean unions might be militant so I guess it's not impossible

[hardy berry]

I mean it's basically a landfill already lol

[long urchin]

Someone get Engimo to katana slash this guy off the internet

Wait I’m hella late nvm guys

[plush coral]

e

[muted wigeon]

they are playing a game

[plush coral]

Cool

[rough flare]

hello.hope everyone having a great time

[tall hound]

"S" still lies

[lavish skiff]

this is CNS slander. Ospuze would never lie to us.

[mellow snow]

florida is already a landfill

[keen sky]

what does this have to do with lore?
stfu and go put it in eggmail

[regal oxide]

pro juice billboard

[iron hatch]

this is was old tutorial section

[thorn wraith]

anyone have any idea what the hell did Thixxy show on the heavy hitters reveal stream?

https://youtu.be/VFxvR139K5c?t=4098

[waxen acorn]

Wowzer

[charred rover]

𓏏𓅂𓊃 𓏏𓄿𓈎 𓋴𓂧𓊃𓅂

[sacred latch]

this is in Vegas rn

[waxen acorn]

Fr

[uneven mason]

Server don't work on bedrock

[gentle bronze]

this is (was) a code from a merch item that you could redeem on embark's site for a in game item

[spare igloo]

i regret picking alfa acta after all the trailers for ospuze and this event

[stable lake]

So you’d rather become an consumer addict than a prepared individual of any threat🤔🤨? To each their own ig 😏😅

[rough flare]

hello guys.hope you are having a good time today too 🙂

[stable lake]

Hello Dr.Peace I hope you are having a good time today!

[storm elk]

so, is the drink from the fizzy tiger v9s skin not the same as ospuze tiger juice?

[lavish skiff]

Correct! It's probably a diffrent drink made from the same "Plant" from the South Atlantic Landfill. But Fizzy Tiger could absolutely be a sub brand of Ospuze.

[storm elk]

whats the south atlantic landfill

oh i see its a trentila thing

[lavish skiff]

it's a bit of flavor text from the Ospuze ad.

^

[storm elk]

oh damn okok but isnt the south atlantic landfill a huge garbage patch? thats an odd place to grow crops unless im missing another piece of lore

[pulsar quail]

New Sizzlecore helmet has numbers on it do they mean anything?

[lavish skiff]

potentially? A lot of cosmetics have hints towards the TFEE stuff on them. It could also be your contestant number. A lot of cosmetics have that.

[lavish skiff]

We don't know! :D It could be that or reference the South Atlantic States (Florida etc.) it definetly sounds like not a great place if genetic engineering is needed to make things grow there.

[pulsar quail]

the numbers are 428-785-912-815. Some of them scratched so its hard to see

[lavish skiff]

Post it in #easter-eggs 👀

[storm elk]

feels like the finals truly is in the arc raiders universe

[lavish skiff]

I mean yeah they share a universe LOL But from everything that we have seen the lore seems not connected.

[storm elk]

ive seen the sponsors jiangsu romagna and ranzio in arc raiders so as long as they arent scrapped sponsors that are now used exclusively in arc raiders they share a universe

[lavish skiff]

they might be the same company, related or rebranded. It's gonna get more clear what the actual connection between the games is when Arc raiders launches.

[teal blaze]

Ranzio no longer seems to exist as the r logo is plastered on all raider related things, and it feels like jiangsu romagna is being only used as a pretty influential company in arc raiders

I personally don't buy into the shared universe idea but we'll see where it goes, if anywhere

[storm elk]

so you say both are gonna stay on the driver skin but thats it?

[teal blaze]

I think that skin could probably be claimed as an easter egg, just like the player statue from the finals on the settings page in arc

[storm elk]

i havent played the closed alpha but ive seen the cometa logo (i think!), and 2 unnamed ones in the finals wiki sewn on raider clothing

[cyan cloak]

have any voicelines ever called out "meatspace"? I think this voice line from june is the first time I've heard anyone verbally say meatspace in the game

[sacred latch]

Another? What's the first?

[nocturne turtle]

just another location

It's on multiple billboards

[sacred latch]

another location

[sacred latch]

"You could hear that last swing all the way from the Meatspace." - June

[narrow reef]

I need wallpaper like that))

[maiden bough]

IK I JUST HEARD THAT ;-;

[onyx scaffold]

https://www.xbox.com/play/media/dtUAe24qLM

[rare creek]

Hey this may be dumb but we already know Scotty is a huge fan of Ospuze what is June a fan of?

[celest bolt]

CNS

[boreal vapor]

Guess this is finally confirmation that the commentators are humans and not AI

[sacred latch]

For sure.

nice to have more confirmation!

[scarlet forum]

I think OSPUZE Tiger Juice maybe legit being %40 actual tiger is kinda a nice thing, cause that means they probably aren't near extinction, or even so populous that they can be hunted without consequence?

[empty timber]

it's a "Tiger Fruit" not a real tiger lol

[scarlet forum]

let a man dream for the tigers

[faint glen]

A dawg

[empty timber]

numbers

[mighty sigil]

Arc Raiders and The finals are in the same world. The Finals are the rich people and Arc Raiders are poor people living in the real world.

[onyx scaffold]

That does make sense

[dusky niche]

[empty timber]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-avengers-avengers-endgame-hail-hydra-gif-14699413

[robust nova]

Is this a teaser for the new map next season or no? 🤔

[wet ibex]

would love it if so dont think so but another Sy$ would be cool

[robust nova]

I honestly thought the name of the map would be called hydra tbh. Not sure if the theme of it will still be based in Greece or Greek Mythology but who knows

I would love to have like a trident for the spear though if that’s the case with maybe some water effects and particularly when you swing it

[pallid rover]

On Google i found that Hydraq is a data-theft trojan virus

But is all attached and not Hydra_q

So it could be not

[lavish skiff]

Likely. That and it's probably a hint for the Finals Easteregg

Rob has hinted on the Hydra Qube before in the twitch chat.

[gentle bronze]

S7 is assumed to be CNS centric, hydra_q being a reference to that Trojan makes sense

[fair ginkgo]

Wait

So its meant to be meatspace not metaspace? I thought it was a misspell LOL

[lavish skiff]

it's Meatspace yeah

[stable lake]

😂😂😂

[narrow pecan]

I noticed that there are Volpe logos on the Safestride Hoodie for Alfa Acta. Are some sponsors subsidiaries or affiliates to each other do we know?

[lavish skiff]

Not sure if every Sponsor belongs to MultiCo but they at the very least all have to work together. Volpe afaik makes the VR devices people use. So it's highly likely that there are a lot of collaborations happening. Explaining why a few skins have multiple sponsors mentioned on them!

[sleek dragon]

Bottom text includes Trentilla and T1ger Fruit/TrashPaw, a plant (?) "engineered to thrive in the nutrient-rich soils of the South Atlantic Landfill". Side affects include "conversational latency with inanimate object" and more. Very interesting lore-wise

[random gust]

What I was able to find out about Dede after half an hour, how I figured out her cosmetics and possible descriptions.

According to the canon, she is portrayed as a Medium who carries a revolver in her hands. From the description of her gear, it’s clear that she has a cool, composed personality. She remains calm in battle, rational, and likely shows little to no emotion, coming off as a very sharp and decisive fighter. She’s loaded with all sorts of gear from OSPUZE.

The description of her helmet suggests that she used to wear it frequently in the past. However, the revolver tells a different story — Dede is apparently an excellent shot with it, as the description states: "In Dede's hands, the revolver is as deadly as it is deliberate."

In the game, there’s a sticker with her note:
"See you in The Finals. XOXO Dede <3"

Appearance-wise, Dede didn’t originally look Asian, but now she has Asian features, red hair, brown eyes, and subtle eye makeup.

As for the theory that Dede works alone—that’s completely false. Here’s her canon team, which appears in the game’s first trailer.

[novel crag]

This makes me think the meat space is equivalent to the Future from the film Idiocracy

[gentle bronze]

I was thinking about the hydra_q thing

Given it's aesthetic, I wouldn't be surprised if it's for CNS

You cut off one head (Vaiiya kicking CNS out), multiple regenerate (which will be the widespread attack set up in S5, scheduled for S7)

[empty timber]

Hydra_Q is one of the cns scripts that executes into the game lol

[gentle bronze]

Sys Error: Files Not ...found?

(just realised it was talked about in #easter-eggs , sorry 😅)

[stable lake]

Has this already been noticed??

[plain wadi]

nope not by me

[terse sandal]

ye

[wet ibex]

i would love another Sy$ style map so much, its in my top 3 maps

[scenic mortar]

You guys know what happens when CNS gets involved they’re gonna reset the system and we’re gonna get a medieval season

[limber kindle]

I need players that play on Xbox in tournament so I and my friend can rank up plz and thank u if u can Im not a grown up though but get ready because they're might be a lot of cussing

[wet ibex]

first take of yours i agree with

[fluid prairie]

or space, pls space

moon map with 24/7 low grav would be very very funny

[vivid mortar]

I would legit alt f4 every time it comes up 😭

[empty timber]

bruh season 2 timeline again

[iron hatch]

the viking era is the best

[glacial charm]

so next season is CNS ? is embark going to "rework" sys horizon ?

[empty timber]

Nuh uh

[pine wave]

her face is so different in the game ,i dont understand why

[glacial charm]

That look like chatgpt text af

[empty timber]

its chatgpt when you see -- in the text

[scenic mortar]

I think that would have some complex physics

[teal blaze]

I love using the long dash in my writing everyone is going to think I use gpt 😭

[gilded trench]

Let's not allow embark to make the sound too realistic

[outer flare]

Hahhahahahahaahahh

[wet cliff]

Is there an official lore page for the finals?

[inner plinth]

didn't know the lore was that deep

[gentle bronze]

I have a crazy theory on how The Finals and Arc Raiders are connected...

The Finals has a mascot of a sentient, cute egg called Nama Tama.
And in Arc Raiders, you have a Chicken called Scrappy.

Now.........................

Chickens... come from eggs

⁉️

[tiny tide]

Hey is alfaacta.com official? currently the only information that you can see regarding it is the websites description, which is just 'PLEASE STAND BY' you cant connect to the website because it does not provide a secure connection (which is ironic). I just know that we have had ospuze.com before and that was official so I was curious.

You guys may have already talked about it but I'm always late to the party with this kind of stuff sorry :/

[gentle bronze]

nah, aint real

[sturdy crag]

Nama Tama is a dude
At least the one we know

If the wiki I read was true, and that we only know one Nama Tama, he's a guy

[long urchin]

If that happens ima throw myself into space irl

[fading trail]

pic by me

The unreachable hallway

[stable lake]

Back rooms???

[fossil niche]

Imagine a labyrinth made of hallways like this one. That would be one crazy map!

[fossil niche]

Is this map part of the old tutorial?

[storm ether]

campaign mode when?

[stable lake]

It’s basically the tutorials

[slow cloud]

hi, a question for the developers)
Do you have any plans to add a new "old solo mode" that I missed back in the day (even though I’ve been playing since almost the release)?
And one more thing — are you planning to add an option to choose maps/arenas?

[gentle bronze]

that would be nice for practice sessions or say tweaking the video settings

[knotty fractal]

any ojnes found this yet?

[empty timber]

yes

[knotty fractal]

Alr

[wanton onyx]

@gentle bronze reference

[nocturne turtle]

There are 5 white rabbits on that map, keep an eye out and maybe you'll find the others too. (All of them are already found)

There's also a fat white rabbit hidden somewhere. This one hasn't been found yet and we aren't even sure on what map he is.

[wet ibex]

didnt know about the fat rabbit

since it is holding up heart, could it be one of the existing rabbits wants something?

[knotty fractal]

Could be holding up the heart / giving it to someone, but what is the question

[fading trail]

yes

[cerulean cobalt]

is it 100 or 250 for amethyst cashed out?

[tranquil cloud]

250 i thought

[mild glade]

chat scotty’s 37

[tranquil cloud]

unc

[stable lake]

🧢

[frosty willow]

Big chungus?

[robust nova]

With all these easter-eggs here, I think this is also like a teaser for season 7 while also referencing the matrix with that one quote "follow the white rabbit" and how it in a sense connects back to CNS as sort of this hacker group disrupting the gameshow and the VR space

I know that it's not the most put together idea I have here but it's something that I kind of noticed and saw the parallels from both The Finals and The Matrix. Mainly I think CNS are leaving not only teaser's for the Hydra map on some of the other locations and biome's but also leaving clues like the white rabbits as another means of showing the viewers contestants that CNS is very much alive and well but is basically hidden within plain sight, but again this is just a theory and nothing here is super concrete atm until we see more teasers here within the next week or so but I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope that this all connected in some way and that it's not just a random easter egg 🤞

[limpid hound]

W

[sly wing]

I thought of this a while back so they must be putting the exact limit of chemicals

[unkempt path]

Does this mean anything for the next season?

[shut island]

So what exactly is CNS?

Holtow may be involved?

[hoary steeple]

CNS is a group that hacked THE FINALS in Season Two, and introduced Terminal Attack as a part of the hack. In the Season 6 Trailer, June also said that CNS introdcued TDM permanently into the gameshow, but Scotty said it was Vaiyaa (as a coverup). At the start of Season 3, the system that runs the Finals reset, which introduced Kyoto to the game.

[stable lake]

CNS is hacking enigmo to spread its message around the world which is why WT showdown is rigged. IT ALL MAKES SENSE

[stable lake]

You would think right? but maps around the world with enigmo/finals screens are easily intercepted by CNS

[empty timber]

nu uh, why would they hack engimo lol they already hack the game in season 5

and we already see the hydra_q stuff on the billboard

they definitely gonna hack the whole game again in season 7 like in season 2

[stable lake]

It’s an escape goat, that’s why. Enigmo is the puppet show!

[empty timber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009830578545246213/1338784601539084330/cns_with_love.gif

[stable lake]

😂😂😂

[stable lake]

What in the Y2K apocalypse?!

[gentle bronze]

The hydra q screen reminds me of a VHS, maybe it's going to be a bit 90s themed just like how s2 was 80s? 🤷

[unkempt path]

Are we getting a hydra faction? That was my first thought i’m kind of wondering what do all the words mean on that image? but the one in the center kinda looks like Hydra although it’s kind of blurry now so I don’t remember what it actually said.

[tight pendant]

CNS coming back?

[shut wedge]

cns love
(?)

[ebon spindle]

someone got a good summary of the lore?

[storm ether]

are hot babes canon

[tight pendant]

If you think dede is hot babe, yes

[stable lake]

Especially as female heavy

[smoky basin]

Anyone notice the hacked engimo screen on Seoul

[stable lake]

I did, it’s all coming together

[stable lake]

☝️

[fast wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/the-finals-cns-season-2-gif-15438830602930523049

[hollow yoke]

can someone tell me the lore?
like all of it

[regal oxide]

Check https://thefinals.wiki/wiki/Lore and https://youtube.com/@SPEARHEADPR

Basically the year is around 2100. MultiCo, likely founded in the 1980s, owns THE FINALS game show. It also owns some sponsors, it's basically a mega corp.

CNS is a hacker collective urging viewers to "seek the truth beyond the walls". They breached the show in S2 via a vulnerability or backdoor in Volpe's tech.

MultiCo enlisted VAIIYA to remove CNS. Their attempted reset of the AI controlling THE FINALS caused it to react and send us into S3.

CNS still maintains some level of access to the game show. They staged a temporary takeover in S5, then went back to lurking, promising to return again. Now in S6, the "HYDRA_Q" billboards have appeared.

Lots of smaller things in-between those lines, but that's just an overview.

[rotund steppe]

idk if this is important, but just found out that ARC raiders and THE FINALS are in the same universe thanks to Kelski on youtube who recently made a ARC raiders video https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxg5rHiQvpTq2Pf_ZQFDk1SwTXo02uCJP-?si=Fwr4ZTnvRwR7cR5i

the link leads to a clip i made of where he mentioned it

[empty timber]

i think he just assumes it's the same universe. right now there is no confirmation.

[fallow scaffold]

Wait what. how come the temporary takeover in season 5 doesn't seem to be mentioned in the wiki

[gentle bronze]

apply to be a wiki editor and add it!

[empty timber]

only 3 people were able to edit that page

[regal oxide]

The main Lore page is admin protected. It's mentioned briefly on the CNS page though.

[tall snow]

new sponsor for all of the fruit stuff TRENTILA

they were mentioned in the steam update page for this store patch too. might be new for next season

[hollow yoke]

that was better than i expected, thank you!

[south linden]

I feel like next season cns is going to be messing with the game again im already ready to break out the cns gear

[south linden]

Because vaiiya introduced it

[robust nova]

Trentilla was featured back last season in the bonus rewards section actually though sadly no one could choose them as an active sponsor for the career section

[mortal furnace]

the finals🤩🤩🤩

[sonic basalt]

<@&1012034066876473384>

[jolly marsh]

hi, what seems to be the problem?

[sonic basalt]

there was a message here from a questionable user , and a really inappropriate message, i think they deleted it immediately after i tagged u all

[long urchin]

They’re most likely not in the same universe; arc raiders takes place in the late 2100s, long after THE FINALS which takes place around 2070-something

[tranquil cloud]

same universe just not related stories right?

[fluid prairie]

so the new fruit bundle is from trentila, knowing it has a green color scheme, i'm surprised there's still a brand that is about plants. ngl i kinda picture the meatspace to look worse than cyberpunk 2077 world

[reef oriole]

Probably, but not confirmed

It would be kinda lame if they are connected because it would mean we already now that the story ends in apocalypse

[near linden]

I think that the CNS is good and the ospuze is the worst they are controling the game so their favourite player always wins like bullets are dodging him ... And because people would see this they are puting something in the ospuze drink so people would forgot
Am i right ?

[tranquil cloud]

havent heard ppl say ospuze is rigging the finals before i dont hate that theory, will all the s lies stuff i figure its something much more heinous tho

[near linden]

I think that the lore is much darker than it looks like

[gentle bronze]

scotty was in the finals

[sterile dagger]

I got baited 😭

[gentle bronze]

score!

[mighty rover]

Is there actual lore for this game, and was it written by ai like the voice lines?

[stone falcon]

does anyone know if u press Create VC, does the channel automatically says team 1-100 or do everyone change it themselves

if its atomticly

how do u do it

[gentle bronze]

stealing cashpoints outside of the finals is apparently illegal

[sturdy crag]

probably a common theory but arc is probably in THE FINALS' meatspace

[sturdy crag]

i would say stealing money is usually illegal

[sturdy crag]

"is there lore" in the lore channel

[mighty rover]

so there isn't?

[sturdy crag]

Ofc there is
You're on a virtual game show
One of the announcers was a contestant
There's a hacker group messing with the broadcast
Most people spend all their time in VR
The meatspace (real world) is implied to possibly be apocalyptic

If you needed to know

[mighty rover]

was it scotty or june?

[vast jungle]

it was scotty, june just likes the game

there are voicelines about scotty’s experience and expertise as a former contestant

[vernal steeple]

Personally, I don’t think they are connected, but we don’t really have enough evidence to confirm either way and determine what are Easter Eggs only between the games and what are possible narrative links.

[tranquil cloud]

ah makes sense yeah

[vernal steeple]

I agree, although timing-wise THE FINALS would likely be occurring post-environmental collapse (probably pre-2050s) and post-Exodus off Earth (probably around the 2050s).

[robust pivot]

I would imagine that the ARC story is all the average people, and the people who watch "The Finals" are the rich people avoiding the apocalyptic wasteland and getting gunplay entertainment

[gloomy dawn]

t

[robust pivot]

T

[earnest ruin]

T

[long urchin]

HAHAHAHAHAAAAA

[quartz island]

Does owning plushies mean these characters have transcended from The Finals AI to THE Meatspace,..our meatspace?

[long urchin]

no ofc it’s not written by ai

[subtle orchid]

yucky

[tiny parrot]

Okay soo cool question right. So how the VR system in the final works similarly to Ready Player One righ? Meaning our contestant is legit running, jumping, sliding, and doing various parkour and maneuvers in real life. Im asking because if we were to sprint for like around 1 minute or so, we can hear our contestants started to breath heavily because of the running

[vivid mortar]

Is there a lore reason why there is no futuristic weaponry in the game ? I'd expect at least one or two futury-feeling-looking guns to be in there.
Some gadgets are, but they're more simulation specific items I assume

[granite tide]

Maybe in the next season we'll get more things about the meatspace cause it'll be interesting to learn more about the meatspace

[fickle heath]

I think Vaiyya* are the security guards of the game

[twilit viper]

GUYS i think i found a hidden sponsor

its called Tristan and is a medical brand

u can see they logo in seoul on a building

if u need proof just dm me

[teal blaze]

we don't know what it specializes in but yeah people have seen it and a bunch of other unknown sponsors in the Seoul skyline

[twilit viper]

ahh i see

[teal blaze]

one of them is just the steamrollers' logo as a company

called 'steamroller,' fittingly

[hardy berry]

!MAJOR LORE DROP!

THE CONSPERICY IS REAL

SOFIA LIES TO ALL OF US

[orchid phoenix]

thats wild

[verbal apex]

XD

[teal blaze]

maybe only og ospuze has zero sugar

sounds like 60% (or 40 i forgot) tiger is actually just sugar

[sick thorn]

D':

[earnest ruin]

yessssss

[shell perch]

Ospuze is made of 40% real Tiger

[silver pond]

does anybody know if this means somethinghttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1172593229783375903/1378687305732325386/image.png?ex=683d821c&is=683c309c&hm=14984cff7ecc8f45efa9fed5fee66f335a0f5fc88dcb7db1d9541fc0a6055363&

[regal oxide]

*Tiger Fruit™

[orchid nimbus]

found it too in fortune stadium , seems like a security error in mucodos (cns ?)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1358473427878674432/1378694590135009381/THE_FINALS_20250601130851.jpg?ex=683d88e5&is=683c3765&hm=44a1e7300405c6f6dc2ef23cf467b6440330d3b5450941ed7a59791ea28ce96a&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1358473427878674432/1378694590516695123/THE_FINALS_20250601131122.jpg?ex=683d88e5&is=683c3765&hm=ef36305d66aa450bfc228d5b1a4fb2ecc9f7c4a1756c4cc9c069cf0168387d0e&

[hardy berry]

It's still sold as such. And as per usual, the logic goes: " if they will lie about this, what else will they lie about?"

[vast escarp]

Do anyone suspect Garp and Roger are brothers?.

[hardy berry]

Who?

[vast escarp]

Just a one piece theory.

[umbral mantle]

Hello im sorry to disturb you but im new here what should i do here?

[orchid nimbus]

? ...

[orchid nimbus]

talk about lore , share theories , help reconstruct the story

[umbral mantle]

Thanks

[hardy berry]

I feel like this should be a bigger deal. I mean like "all power no sugar" is one of ospuze's main slogans. It would be like if Holtow had like, a 99% denial rate on insurance payments. Or Engimo just pretends to connect you to the internet

[orchid nimbus]

how could they fake the internet ? are people this dumb in the the finals universe

[hardy berry]

All tho with all the wierd shit Holtow covers that last one might not be far off

[hardy berry]

Hyperbole.

[vast escarp]

while back i hunt a snake rear by house but dam it has its family... to revenge me...

[orchid nimbus]

ik ik just if they tried how could they ?

[orchid nimbus]

mods ,get this guy out of here

[hardy berry]

Dead internet theory is real ig, it's all bots or something

[hardy berry]

"Baliff! Wack his peepee!"

[vast escarp]

prompt theory by veo google was good/

Do you guys know a thory that god gave a needel to stich up the feathers of the birds to themselves every bird did and returned the needel to god but somehow hen missed it so the god cursed hen to find the needel then it can fly so is why hen always search with foot and cant fly

[stable lake]

Good show

[stable lake]

https://tenor.com/view/spotting-a-butterfly-pops-maellard-regular-show-smiling-happy-gif-3781305806817659473

[vast escarp]

isnt it

https://tenor.com/view/i-m-villain-gif-8105801559398118233

[untold ivy]

Is there a specific Lore reason as to why OSPUZE is the goat?

[hardy berry]

See the above LIES

[untold ivy]

It's okay to cope. We all do it sometimes

[orchid nimbus]

any news on the billboards ?

[umbral mantle]

Can someone tell me why they hate engimo?

[wet ibex]

chat censor

[reef breach]

When they added text chat, they also added a word censor that blocks way too many words and it says: Engimo reality filter blocked this when u write them

Also engimo has probably the worst cosmetics of the sponsors so far

[near linden]

i was just watching a streamer on twich ( ma5uka ) and u dont know wat happened but a strange musik started playng and i think it was a cns hack or somethink

[solid nymph]

heavy is russian man

[stable lake]

Heavy is heavy

[robust nova]

I’m honestly curious now if they’ll play that song you were talking about. And it wasn’t like a old season track or anything? Like something entirely new or no?

[timber gyro]

maybe arc raiders is the meat space but even later into the future

[stable lake]

Nope

[gentle bronze]

Arc raiders is the real life of the finals that is the virtual reality show

[timber gyro]

qwq

[gentle bronze]

QwQ

[timber gyro]

huh

[gentle bronze]

[granite ether]

Has there been any secret hunting on this code? Pretty sure it says 438-765-912-619

[wispy verge]

Anyone else see a blue screen on the large screens that announce kills and whatnot? Saw in passing as I was doing a match and managed to get a screen shot but the angle isn't the greatest. It says "HYDRA_Q_JEG" I think. Every letter is clear except for the "J" because it had the glitch effect at the time of capture so difficult to make out.

Is this anything??

In the bottom right hand of the screen it says "error_code_*F1..." the dots are because the rest is cut because of a building.

Don't have the role to post the picture myself hence why I'm trying to describe it...

[vivid lion]

Anyone else see a blue screen on the large screens that announce kills and whatnot? Saw in passing as I was doing a match and managed to get a screen shot but the angle isn't the greatest. It says "HYDRA_Q_JEG" I think. Every letter is clear except for the "J" because it had the glitch effect at the time of capture so difficult to make out.

Is this anything??
In the bottom right hand of the screen it says "errorcode*F1..." the dots are because the rest is cut because of a building.

Don't have the role to post the picture myself hence why I'm trying to describe it...

[left bronze]

Yeah, CNS will very possibly start the next season, because this are their 80’s style glitches (or as scotty calls them m, Errors) and the hydra is some mythological beast that when it gets its head chopped it grows 2, and CNS has been shut down a few times now, so we should expect them to hit even harder, maybe even sponsor/carry the season

[wispy verge]

There's something else in the top left hand of the screen but it's hella hard to make out but at end looks like version numbers "V.V.105 05"

Not sure if that's something too

[tall sluice]

waow

[ocean minnow]

I need secret intel about HADES.2

[hoary steeple]

Check the #easter-eggs & the #1332758896594387066 messagechannel. There's stuff there on it.

[ancient swan]

Hello there, I’ve also seen this in game. I’m curious what this could mean for the next season…

[sweet iris]

Has anyone seen a levitating tape marked "22"??

[regal oxide]

https://www.thefinals.wiki/wiki/Kyoto_Secrets

[rustic olive]

Its my official headcannon that scotty is always hooked up to an IV bag of ospuze, even during games.

[iron valve]

cause all the skins they have are ass

all of them are reskins except the arn sponsor skin

[robust nova]

I honestly don’t hate Engimo, and I do like some of their cosmetics but I think they lean too much into the feudal Japan aesthetic a little too much but that’s my honest opinion

[vale pumice]

has embark confirmed that Ark raiders takes place in the same universe as The Finals? It seems like it's being intentionally hinted towards

[languid raft]

What if we get like The Finals Easter eggs or tie-ins in Arc Raiders?

[wild apex]

#1201288968562552863 message

But even when the same universe they dont need to have the same narrative. only in some degree

but this is not a 100% confirmation IMHO

[shut wedge]

i guess it wasn't intended but now it somewhat is

[regal plinth]

any lore speculation to be added in S7?

[summer gulch]

how can i level up in that discord

[vivid lion]

The Real issue is whinng from noobs who struggle against Lights or something. Stop nerf. Just buff underperforming and unfairly nerfed weapons.

If the Sword’s lunge doesn’t go back to 140 damage,it’s just useless.If it’s under 140,you can’t use it against Medium or Heavy at all.That value was carefully calculated and made sense in terms of balance.

Everyone knows Dagger,Sword and all melee get countered by Light.But you nerfed Sword while pretending it was for the sake of Lights, even though it was obviously done to benefit Mediums.
People are tired of these blatant patches made only for Medium.There’s a reason people started saying “The Mediums”.
Heavy is still powerful at close range,so melee isn’t even a threat to them.

Medium has tons of tools to counter melee: turrets, mines, goo grenade, glitch trap, dematerializer, jump pad, zip line, proximity sensor, and a bunch of weapons. And still, these skill-issue players cry for nerfs to melee and weak wepon even though they already have all those tools. They just can’t handle melee because of a skill issue.

I play all class,melee was never a problem when I played Medium or Heavy(not to mention Light).If anything, having melee was a guaranteed win. But because of these dumb whining, stuff that wasn’t even meta got nerfed.That’s how you ruin patches.

If you keep listening to people who ask for nerfs not because something is overpowered,but just because it annoys them(cause skill issue), of course the game will fall apart. And in doing so, you're killing the fun and variety of the game.

About Double Barrel,you nerfed it, then reverted it. Because Light has low HP, so it needs to have high DPS. DB is only viable up close, and it needs to 2-tap Heavy.That balance was correct, so reverted.
The same goes for Sword.Nerfing melee damage is saying “don’t use it.” It’s the same mistake as with DB. Sword was built around close-range and low health.it required specific damage combinations for each classes. so lunge was 140.

[gentle bronze]

#👂┇game-feedback would be that way

[regal oxide]

lore lore lore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pzHeCiKnr4

[sacred latch]

Spear come back pls

[quartz island]

Guys guys we got more lore

[sacred latch]

REAL LORE, REAL CHARACTERS, REAL STORYTELLING

[quartz island]

Vignettes for the win!

[mild trellis]

This one slaps!

[lament goblet]

now the real question to ask for the lore is what does ospuze smell like?

[regal oxide]

is that the voice from the Holtow ad?

[static kraken]

OSPUZE COMPETITOR???

[storm tiger]

coca cola

[sacred latch]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[quartz island]

“Reddit Mod” equivalent in the Meat Space

[mossy trail]

Scotty is ospuze incarnate.

[sacred latch]

June = AI theory is going kinda strong ngl

She speaks through the screen.

[crude latch]

HydraQ

[lament goblet]

Real

[near linden]

what does it mean

[vocal bloom]

Hydra Q? New sponsor?

[near linden]

the whole video is strange i dojt really understand

[sacred latch]

The Vignette seems to take place in Scotty's room. Sofia just left the room, Marcel opens the door at the end

June speaks through the computer.

[vocal bloom]

That was Marcel?

[regal oxide]

multibuck inflation must be insane for Scotty to bet 10 million

[lament goblet]

Sounds like it, I wonder what the theme will be

[vocal bloom]

He no likey CNS

[nocturne turtle]

or he's swimming in money

[sacred latch]

"The Sponsor Lineup isn't changing" Marcel is in charge of that, we hear

[regal oxide]

you know the one from the "there are no monsters, right?"

maybe it's not the same but it did remind me of it

[vocal bloom]

Could he be rigging this into his favor?

[sacred latch]

Yep, I see the similarity a lot. Could just be AI voices not having range

ACTIVE CALL. Ok, so at least they aren't being blatant if June is AI

[crude latch]

it was mentioned that HydraQ has been trying to get into the sponsor lineup but Sophia has been pushing against the product, looks like this time she couldn't pull the strings. Weird that all the promo for HydraQ is gone, wonder who actually took it..

[vocal bloom]

Uhuh

[icy sleet]

So we thinking Hydra_Q is bottled water company or something like Gatorade?
OSPUZE says who needs water so maybe water.
Hydration Quencher?

[vocal bloom]

Could June have secretly taken it?

[fossil niche]

In the video it says something is brewing on the horizon. Maybe the next map will be the city we see on the horizon of SYS$Horizon?

[sacred latch]

I just realised Sofia's sigh from the beginning is the only time we've heard her 😭

[lament goblet]

If I had to guess Hydra could be hinting for a ancient theme for season 7 weather it be Greek or medieval and the Q could absolutely stand for quench

[sacred latch]

But Hydra_Q doesn't seem like they'll actually be the sponsor next season, both Scotty and June agree

[crude latch]

Why was Sophia talking to Scotty in the meatspace.

[vocal bloom]

But "The Sponsor lineup isn't changing." Remember?

[lament goblet]

People have been asking for a ancient theme for a long while and Hydras originate from Greek mythology so it’s not impossible

[wooden osprey]

Btw, cool small detail
Ospuze represents Scotty, because he like Ospuze
Pen repsenets June, because June like "Write data" and "Read all statistics"

[near linden]

looks like you guys know much more about the lore than the wiki

[lament goblet]

True, maybe they’ll come into the end of season 7 with challenges like CNS

[tawny folio]

what did they mean by "sofia's been handled"??

[sacred latch]

Yeah. They want to launch Hydra_Q, with no assets. I wonder how this is gonna work.

Gawd, what if Marcel and CNS are actually the ones working together

Marcel seems to be the only one who's like "trust the plan. Hydra_Q is launching" but he might also be the one sabotaging it

[wooden osprey]

oohhhh
I thought that Marcel is listening to audio tape of dialogue between June and Scotty

[coral sluice]

Hydra_Q is water brand maybe

[crude latch]

or it could be a Trojan horse, odd that the promos and advertising just.. disappeared. Like it didn't exist to begin with.

[nocturne turtle]

S7s map could be water related if Hydra Q is really a water company

[lament goblet]

It could also be a hint towards arc raiders maybe?

[sacred latch]

Would be really funny if Water VS Ospuze was a Season theme

[prime maple]

Sophia wanted hydra q gone, and scotty suspects Cns, further hinting that OSPUZE = CNS

[crude latch]

s lies

[nocturne turtle]

Why would CNS call Sofia a liar then?

[sage frost]

My two cents are all the sponsors work under MultiCo, but the CEOs are greedy and Marcel keeps them in check even though they work together

[humble goblet]

Hydra Q is a "material and promo asset" company, scotty literally says it

[crude latch]

no, scotty says that their campaign material and promo assets just vanished.

[prime maple]

Maybe she's a bad boss

[humble goblet]

you're right mb

[prime maple]

No, he said that hydra q assets dissappeared

[crude latch]

CNS was played by Sophia, that makes sense.

[wooden osprey]

I think next sponsors is
CNS, Vaiiya, HydraQ

[crude latch]

explains why HydraQ has had such a difficult time launching, I bet Sophia worked with CNS to sabotage their company.

[languid pawn]

cns isnt a sponsor

[paper canyon]

for now

[wooden osprey]

It is
When you loading on SysHorizon, it's says "Proudly sponosred by CNS"

[crude latch]

but I'm assuming Sophia backstabbed CNS, hence why they've been so pushy with the anti ozpuse motive.

[pale hill]

Im emerald 3 how many wins do i need for e1

[languid pawn]

Its not an official sponsor though

[wooden osprey]

They can be, why not?
Congrats on piss role achiving

[crude latch]

CNS is a hacktivist group.

[uneven fox]

Sophia is clueless, shes with hydra q and is angry someone sabotaged the files

[languid pawn]

because a sponsor is someone who pays the finals money for advertising of their product, cns however is hacking the finals

[uneven fox]

Hence why she " slammed 3 doors " and cns literally owned the game in the first place, they are hacking their own game to get it back, not black hat hackers to do bad

[languid pawn]

Thanks!

[wooden osprey]

I think Embark can make excuse in this moment so CNS became a new sponsor.
We know that next sponsors is: HydraQ. and definetly not Ospuze

[patent valve]

So we’ve had a second track of each of the og sponsors from s4, except for Holtow. Perhaps ospuze will return to compete with hydra Q, and Holtow is the third?

[lament goblet]

I wonder if Hydra will be staticky and be missing textures in the beginning with their challenges being near the end of season 7 and as the season goes on we see more assets and what not return

[crude latch]

why would Sophia, the CEO of Ozpuse, work with what appears to be their rival sponser?

[languid pawn]

maybe, but not s7, but when cns fully takes control of a season which is probably gonna happen soon

[crude latch]

the video is straight up called "Sponser Rivalry"

[uneven fox]

Why is sophia slamming doors cuz someone deleted the hydra q files?

[sage frost]

They wouldn't say "Sofía has been handled" and "the sponsor lineup is unchanged" and then have Ospuze run again

[patent valve]

It was probably her who deleted them

[crude latch]

she's slamming doors because HydraQ is finally getting into the spotlight.

[languid pawn]

I think she is slamming because she doesnt want them advertised

[uneven fox]

Maybe

[lament goblet]

Do we know what Hydra Q is definitely as a company as of rn?

[uneven fox]

It aint a water sponsor boys stop yappin

[patent valve]

Cuz maybe she simply wanted hydra removed, so Marcel told her to comply

[uneven fox]

Yeah i think, maybe

Who was the last voice talking to scotty?

[patent valve]

Marcel

I think the multico guy

[wooden osprey]

yeah, he is

[sage frost]

Wait, yeah that makes sense

[crude latch]

mb I just clued in

[patent valve]

mb=multibuck reference

[crude latch]

always has been.

[uneven fox]

Cns hacked 10 million multibucks, are we getting any!

[sage frost]

So when they say "we still don't have a sponsor for the next season", they probably mean the missing third one. So it could be Ospuze, Hydra Q and a yet undecided one.

[rare osprey]

Guys what if next season we get no sponsors. I think this could maybe be a hint

[uneven fox]

How is hydra q gonna work with missing files and assets

[vocal bloom]

I guess for that, we will have to wait

[uneven fox]

I doubt any sponsor is bouta appear, maybe ospuze or just straight up cns only

[wooden osprey]

that is... scary

[vocal bloom]

If there won't be any sponsors, then why are "The Sponsor lineups" not changing?

[patent valve]

Eyes emoji means they’re on to something, right

[uncut iris]

like sofia gonna call cns be like bring this down

[humble goblet]

maybe ospuze and cns, since cns has something against sophia

[languid pawn]

wait wdym by sponsor lineups

[rare osprey]

How do you mean? Like the 3 sponsors per season?

[vocal bloom]

Near the end of the teaser, a guy comes opens the door (presumably Marcel, Hydra_Q ceo) says "The Sponsor line up isn't changing."

[sacred sorrel]

Good find

[rare osprey]

Thx 😄

[languid pawn]

I think he is talking about how sophias anger wont affect anything and hydra q will still be a sponsor

like she wont affect his decision

[trail wren]

first time hearing about it - outside the billboard glitches

[vocal bloom]

Billboard glitches?

[desert echo]

Heyy so uhhh, I took a long break off THE FINALS, and I wonder, what has exactly happened since s3? I know VAIIYA actually reset the entire game show and THE FINALS is actually a sentient AI. But I don’t know anything else, please refresh my memory

[languid pawn]

yeah most if not all maps sometimes glitch out and show hydra q

[rare osprey]

Scotty? The real one?

[vocal bloom]

So that's what he meant when the "assets and promo materials" vanished?

[languid pawn]

probably but I think there is more that vanished

[uncut iris]

cns prob

[empty timber]

finally some lore

[patent valve]

The third sponsor will be Arc Raiders; Marcel is waiting for the sgf announcement 🔥

[empty timber]

and we get to see the meatspace too

[desert echo]

Maybe

[vocal bloom]

Could anything be announced at SGF?

[rustic olive]

Ospuze is rivals with something called HydraQ maybe it’s another drink company?

[languid pawn]

SGF?

[tall hound]

TDM is a permanent game mode..!

[vocal bloom]

Summer Game Fest, we know Embark gonna be there

[tiny moon]

So they confirmed this is a sponsor tease. And despite Sophia not wanting hydraQ to be a sponsor bc of competition, the way Marcel acts at the end I feel like it’s going to be a hydra Q season, and I also subscribe to the theory that CNS and Marcel are linked due to glitchy map hints

[tall hound]

Hydrate -Q

[languid pawn]

maybe but I think its probably only for arc raiders because arc raiders were shown in the trailer

[desert echo]

Probably an ARC Raiders release date

[desert echo]

.

[rustic olive]

YO What if Hydra Q is just a water corporation

Hence why Ospuze doesn’t want them here

[languid pawn]

Its a lot to recall, I would recommend watching a youtube video

[rare osprey]

Quite a bit actually

[vital kiln]

what if it's just a voice call

[rare osprey]

Yes or scroll maybe a bit trough the wiki

[empty timber]

actually nothing much going on lol

[chrome jacinth]

Interesting to think how this teaser will tie into the theme of a real world location map

[empty timber]

ss4 no lore, ss5 cns hacked the game and added tdm and overwrite something in the game (the finals), ss6 still no lore i think

[desert echo]

Ohhh ok, thanks! I’m gonna see if spear uploaded smth or watch another vid

[empty timber]

oh nvm ss6 is hydra_q stuff

[desert echo]

so Tiger was actually just another edition of Ospuze btw?

[languid pawn]

Is it going to be a real map? because we got a vegas revamp which is a real location

[empty timber]

tiger is a fruit, T1ger Fruit, ospuze make a flavor of it

[desert echo]

Ohhh ok

[trail wren]

[empty timber]

another recolor map 💔

[tiny moon]

It would make sense, part of ospuze’s branding is literally “who needs water” and @sacred latch said “hydration-quencher” which I really like LOL

[copper sluice]

Do you have confirmation?

[sleek dragon]

Lore day

[empty timber]

yeah, my dad work at embark

[copper sluice]

😂

[empty timber]

he said the game will be shutting down after season 8

[sleek dragon]

it would line up w the trailer that just dropped saying all the Hydra Q assets are missing

[sacred latch]

Agree. That is most likely.

[copper sluice]

A stream I watched recently a dev said they have years of content planned

[empty timber]

"a year" huh

[gentle bronze]

They just had lore and very concrete plans up until S8 lol

Of course they're not planning to shut the game down, especially after such a great season

[sacred latch]

So now we have June, Scotty, Sofia, and Marcel. We've also heard the Announcer speak, and we've heard Junior McJohnson from Alfa Acta

[gentle bronze]

Was that Marcel?

[sacred latch]

At the end? I think so.

Scotty said "sir?" to him, and Marcel is from MultiCo, who runs everything

[rustic olive]

I think what happened with Ospuze and tiger juice is that Tiger juice was bought out by Ospuze maybe

[sacred latch]

They were talking about how Marcel and Sofia were arguing earlier in the clip, and then he comes in and says "Sofia has been dealt with"

[gentle bronze]

Yeah sorry, I agree.

What was that thing in the focus?

[tiny moon]

Sophia is dead RIP

[stable meadow]

i think sofia called on cns like people would call onto Anonymous to try and sabatoage hydra-Q

[sage frost]

10 million multibucks is almost USD 77,000 btw

[tiny moon]

Scotty is putting the whole bank account on black

[sage frost]

≈USD 76,915.38 to be more precise

[teal blaze]

by today's inflation standards which are almost certainly different by the game's year

[rare osprey]

Also he said that they should both get back to work

[sacred latch]

Pen. You can see it clearly at the beginning.

[sage frost]

We don't even know if other currencies exist in the world of The Finals

[tiny moon]

how did we know who Marcel is previous to this recent drop?

[rare osprey]

Maybe its like in cyberpunk that there is just one currency like the euro dollar, and here the multibuck

[teal blaze]

True, dollars could technically just be a points system in the show and aren't actually worth anything outside of it

[crude latch]

CNS was setup.. S Lies!

[gentle bronze]

In the last S3 world tour lore video, "Merciless Marcel" was said to come down to talk with sponsor to start sponsorship programs

[sage frost]

Are they even referred to as "dollars" in the game or in promo material?

[ruby galleon]

It's always referred to cash as far as I'm aware, never any specific currency

[teal blaze]

no, i think they're always just points

they only have the same $ symbol to denote them but I think it might still make sense that they have a real monetary value given the massive popularity of the show, but probably not nearly as much as a multibuck is worth

[sage frost]

Maybe not even. Like traditional state currencies are made to be a game, symbolizing the power MultiCo has

[teal blaze]

ohh that's much more atmospheric tbh I prefer that as a headcanon even if it isn't necessarily correct

[ruby galleon]

[...] I think it might still make sense that they have a real monetary value [...]
I remember at one point a cosmetic item's description mentioning something along the lines of spending "a months worth of cashouts" on it, but I don't remember what item that was

[teal blaze]

regardless, I think scotty's phrasing was much more metaphorical than a literal bet of 10 million multibucks

[crude latch]

wonder if the people behind CNS are also the original programmers of the finals OS and AI, kinda makes some sense

[obsidian ridge]

So Hydra Q are a rival company of Ospuze right?

[pallid rover]

Guys so Hydra Q is Sponsor like Ospuze but they don't have a logo because CNS stole all their data right ? That is why we have the hydra q jpeg on the screens

[crude latch]

I doubt CNS interfered with HydraQ imo.

[languid raft]

Hydra Q would be like… the Pepsi

[gentle bronze]

I think it's supposed to sound like water

[paper canyon]

yeah

[gentle bronze]

Ospuze "who needs water?" Is probably what Sofia is lying about.

I wouldn't be surprised if the whole horizon's vaiiya grid above the sea is also supposed to somehow connect water with freedom

[obsidian ridge]

Unless it's some kind of shady corporate espionage type situation. There used to be another rival energy drink in the finals alongside Ospuze I think?

[gentle bronze]

With vaiiya preparing for war over it

Either HydraQ is a normal company that CNS hacked into, or it was always a shell company that has had its data removed so they can't be investigated

[proper night]

Youre probably thinking of fizzy tiger

[languid raft]

Isn’t Tiger Juice a flavor from OSPUZE?

[regal oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/hugh-gp-gif-15982582163983431053

[gentle bronze]

I personally think it's always been CNS, choosing a water company to showcase their opposition to Ospuze, water vs an unhealthy soda drink

[obsidian ridge]

that's the one

[sage frost]

Maybe it's even a common phrase in the world of The Finals, like "I bet you a million bucks" today

[proper night]

We didnt know this for certain until heavy hitters

[sage frost]

So MultiCo has power even over language itself, 1984 type shit

[merry relic]

Well it seems "Hydra_Q" is a new brand in the universe, what reason CNS would have to delete all of their promo assets is beyond me

[crude latch]

Sophia has been pushing against HydraQ apparently for awhile now, and I wouldn't underestimate her to pull some strings and influence to hold the monopoly, probably tried to setup CNS with the missing HydraQ promos and advertisement which could've been Sophia herself.

[gentle bronze]

We don't know when it happened, maybe when they injected the game during world tour

[orchid nimbus]

maybe it's linked to the 'accept no lies' tweet we got from cns earlier this season

[gentle bronze]

Maybe they had it scheduled

[teal blaze]

i think it's more like a natural consequence of a new form of currency, not so much a total domination over language as a whole. I wouldn't really be surprised if that was the case too though

[obsidian ridge]

Team Deathmatch was a CNS gamemode. maybe in allowing it to stay as a permanent mode it's given them some kind of backdoor into the game?

[sage frost]

No, yeah, I agree. But the end result ends up being that even what people naturally end up speaking like, emphasizes the power of MultiCo

[orchid nimbus]

maybe hydra q is cns ? related to them ? idk , I'm just giving out the first thing that came to mind , tho good news we got a cutscene for the first time since s4

[sage frost]

Gonna sign up with the HydroHomies
🗣️ 🔥

[orchid nimbus]

monaco ?

[gentle bronze]

Does it?

[sage frost]

Could be that MultiCo is going out of their way to put a water company just to keep Ospuze in check

[orchid nimbus]

outside the park in front of the cathdral

[gentle bronze]

Can you screenshot it?

[languid raft]

Hydra Q
Keep your hydration in cheq

[knotty fractal]

Horizon has water

[languid raft]

The hydra Q logo could be like an octopus

[orchid nimbus]

would take time (I'm on ps5 and porting screens is slow af)

[empty timber]

just like kyoto, monaco

[gentle bronze]

Yes, it does, that's why I mentioned it. It's a map put by CNS, and now Vaiiya is guarding it

If only you read what I wrote lol

[hardy berry]

Idk if I'm crazy but dosen't the water behind the viiya logo on sys look a lil more "realistic" to anyone?

[pallid rover]

I was watching the unnamed Brands and there is one with like two Q in blue

[knotty fractal]

It wasn’t put in by cns it was extracted from the in game files that why it looks unfinished

[orchid nimbus]

and near the statue that exists irl there's litterally a tiny fountain ... Same on bernal in an intersection ...

[languid raft]

From the early game trailers? Lemme go back

New map
Manila, Philippines

[gentle bronze]

That doesn't mean it'd be released normally, maybe it was something cancelled

[proper night]

Is there water in the fountain

[pallid rover]

It seems to me two Q

[orchid nimbus]

on bernal I'm not sure , but for monaco I'm a 100 percent sure

[hardy berry]

Also 0% chance Hydra_Q isn't a front for cns to be a sponser

[languid raft]

That’s a good one

[hardy berry]

Still hoping for trentilla sponser at some point

[gentle bronze]

If the theory that CNS are the original developers is true, it's possible Horizon was a map from the old days, for removed/canned/whatever and CNS brought it back

[knotty fractal]

Could be , but I don’t think cns is against soda , more like they hate maga cooperations like ospuze they could be seen like Amazon with how big they are

[knotty fractal]

Yep it’s in the park

[hardy berry]

I enjoy the hyper aggressive agriculture group

[gentle bronze]

Yes but Ospuze is weighing war on that topic.

If Ospuze tells people to not drink water, and is accused of lying about something, I think it's possible this is the lie

[orchid nimbus]

I think there's water else in monaco holdup lemme check

[hardy berry]

I think a Chinese (?) Website for the finals stated that CNS "wants to bring back skill" to the finals and make it less corporate

[orchid nimbus]

YES https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1358473427878674432/1379844221283995711/image.png?ex=6841b792&is=68406612&hm=6210144f387e0755ce50fb461bd083237d1cd5ff58070e7117e8dba47eee66cb&

[proper night]

If you look just outside the map, there's also the Mediterranean sea

[orchid nimbus]

yeah but it doesn't really count bc it's out of bounds (and then is in the same concept as the theory that water is limited from users)

[merry relic]

If the Lore ends up being connected with Arc Raiders I can imagine CNS are the Raiders stuck on earth. Only problem is that they're 80 years apart, either Arc Raiders is the sequel to whatever crazy shit is about to happen in The Finals or Embark is going to find a way to retcon that 80 year disparity that they most likely at first had no intention of linking in the first place when they first revealed Arc Raiders

[gentle bronze]

Yes but it's out of player reach.

Same could be said about horizon, but I think water being right in front of the players/outside the "walls" could hold meaning

[hardy berry]

I had an early headcannon that ospuze WAS water, and they just tricked ppl into thinking it's a special drink. Don't believe that's the case anymore tbh

[gentle bronze]

"seek the truth outside the walls", where water is behind a wall

And now it's being guarded by Vaiiya

[knotty fractal]

They aren’t openly saying don’t drink it , they’re just saying it’s better then water , also I think their lying about what’s in ospuze and maybe it’s something dangerous (crazy but what if it’s the red stuff from the disson commercial)

[orchid nimbus]

wy everybody crazy over watah , we got a sponsor reveal that makes beverage and y'all searching for watah

[hardy berry]

Holy shit I think your on to something there

[proper night]

Like its supposed to symbolize that water is limited back in the meatspace?

[gentle bronze]

I think them saying "who needs water" is them implying it's for the weak/those who don't pop, pour, perform

[hardy berry]

"Legal limit of stimulants"

[orchid nimbus]

it's the theory , yes

[gentle bronze]

Bait used to believable Ospuze boy

[knotty fractal]

I don’t thinks their guarding water , their and software protection company what do they have against water

[gentle bronze]

Why are they above the sea then

[obsidian ridge]

Sofia Petronelle was described as a 'ruthless buisness woman', it's entirely possible that ospuze would fund companies that limit access to water under the table to make the drink more popular (same as how nuka cola is so popular in fallout because the water is irradiated)

[crude latch]

the first ee was by a programmer who's company didn't allow their names to be published in the work they did, wouldn't it be funny if CNS stemmed from that idea.

[gentle bronze]

If something stirs on the horizon, it could've been on the other side

[knotty fractal]

Why aren’t they over the sea in Monaco?

[hardy berry]

I could see that, like how in 1700(?) Britain the water was so unclean that most ppl drank gin (including babys)

[knotty fractal]

They are only on the hacked map keeping an eye on it

[gentle bronze]

Because Monaco isn't a CNS map, nor is it an area visible (well) to the players

[hardy berry]

Ospuze might be capitalizing on poor water quality/limited access

[knotty fractal]

Exactly, they had that map split before during their world tour event

[obsidian ridge]

Yeah, around the time of the industrial revolution people were using rivers in london and other cities as sewers essentially

[hardy berry]

"Who needs water (when our product is cheaper and "better")

[knotty fractal]

What if ospuze is keeping people in vr

[hardy berry]

Doubtful

[gentle bronze]

Ospuze makes people energetic, the only outlet being VR

[knotty fractal]

Ospuze is a major sponsor the finals so they clearly have a lot of control over what happens in the game

[hardy berry]

Mayits a gaslands thing where being good enough at the finals let's you maybe get into elite society (most of whom have left earth by the time of arc raiders)

*maybe its

[obsidian ridge]

if, in the world of the finals, clean drinking water was harder to access for most people, then ospuze would inevitably be opposed to a company that deals with water right?

[hardy berry]

Yeah

[knotty fractal]

Why do we keep thinking hydra is water?

[hardy berry]

Literally just a normal company that sells filtered water lol

[gentle bronze]

Because you've got to hydrate yourself

[hardy berry]

Cus ospuze mad

HYDRAte Quench

[knotty fractal]

I can understand a soda company being a sponsor but a regular water bottle company?

[knotty fractal]

Don’t think the Q is part of the name

[hardy berry]

It happens irl

[obsidian ridge]

in the UK at least, Evian is a popular sponsor for tennis matches. It's not impossible for the finals to have something similar

[knotty fractal]

What if it’s like liquid death

[gentle bronze]

I mean there's a company that sells insurance against sun ceasing to exist. We have no idea of Hydra is a company that was hacked into or a shell company from the beginning

[patent valve]

Was Sofia and Scotty’s convo broadcasted? The on air sign shut off after she slammed the door…

[hardy berry]

Lmao mebby, I'd take a sponsership from em

[chrome kernel]

apparently arc raiders is in the same universe as the finals, so it makes sense there would be a water shortage in the post apocalyptic setting

[knotty fractal]

Sofia probably went in after a game ended

[gentle bronze]

It doesn't even need to be about shortage due to an apocalyptic event, it can just be Ospuze replacing normal water due to monopoly

[obsidian ridge]

arc raiders is much further in the future, but this could absolutely be the start of everything that goes on in that world

[patent valve]

But would the contestants still have heard it 🤔

[proper night]

Because of the illiteracy epidemic

[crude latch]

well she was leaving the moment the on air sign got turned off.

[patent valve]

Can you explain I’m media Illiterate

[chrome kernel]

at first I thought she was mad because engimo is winning in world tour

[crude latch]

it'd be funny if she said some confidential stuff on air lol

[hardy berry]

I think all the "lore/bts" stuff we have seen is "accidentally" aired (possibly by cns, seeing as we only get snippits)

[knotty fractal]

It was probably and announcement and ospuze wasn’t in the line up so she left mad

[hardy berry]

Lmao

[patent valve]

Ohh interesting 🤔

[gentle bronze]

Hydra:

1. has no sponsor assets, only showing placeholder imaging, with Scotty theorising it's CNSs fault
2. makes Sofia, the CEO of "don't drink water" Co., so mad she storms out

I think it's pretty plausible that Hydra = CNS = Water

[chrome kernel]

what are sponsor assets?

[crude latch]

probably like in-game assets maybe?

[gentle bronze]

Images, ads etc

[knotty fractal]

Yea , you gotta remember the game is vr and all the sponsors are for things in the meatspace , u can’t drink virtual ospuze ( or can you)

[proper night]

Hydro = water

Hydra=multi-headed serpent monster

[obsidian ridge]

logos, promotional material, music etc

[patent valve]

Placeholder cosmetics=account level rewards after level 70 🔥

[gentle bronze]

You cut off one head (Vaiiya "winning" in S2), more will appear

[hardy berry]

Lessgooooo lol

[gentle bronze]

Would be cool

[obsidian ridge]

not true, Holtow is explicitly virtual insurance

[crude latch]

did viiya actually reset the vr mainframe in s3?

[patent valve]

Wait serpent? Like in the sea?? Hydration confirmed 🥶 💦

[gentle bronze]

You can but I doubt it does anything

[knotty fractal]

Or Sofia hates competition, June said it herself

[hardy berry]

Yeah it gave us kyoto

[gentle bronze]

We'll see in a week

[obsidian ridge]

and ranked terminal attack 🤮

[chrome kernel]

rich people don't become rich by competing

[knotty fractal]

Their also sun insurance

[hardy berry]

Shhhh nobody needs to know

[crude latch]

in the s3 trailer, does it also confirm the existence of other shows and such in the vr mainframe too?

[gentle bronze]

I think so

[patent valve]

So ranked TDM next season?

[chrome kernel]

i hope not

[gentle bronze]

Like, I doubt the chef cooking was a part of the gameshow

[sleek dragon]

I'll bet you anything the Hydra Q situation involves CNS invading The Finals to some degree. Based on the theory video I posted for Season 3, CNS is likened to Nobunaga's invasion of Kyoto, 1568, the exact year The Finals Kyoto map is set in.

Oh yeah, it's all coming together 🗿

[crude latch]

Like, I dont think chef dude was planning to hop into a literal game show

[hardy berry]

win the finals
money goes into prepping for your next season/appearance
no money left over (or just enough to feed yourself)
MFW

[gentle bronze]

Can anyone check if the glitch cluster in Skyway stadium's is still there?

[queen shard]

saying that the finals is "the greatest gameshow" without having anything to compare it to would be hilarious

[knotty fractal]

Could be , but yet again I think it grabbed assets from different time zones not different media

[patent valve]

Can’t have shi in the meat space 😂 😭

[chrome kernel]

But pretty funny, and on brand

[hardy berry]

Dude rolled with it tho lol

[hardy berry]

THE FINALS the only show.

[gentle bronze]

Can someone go to the Skyway's Mansion and check the park area for the glitch cluster?

[knotty fractal]

It’s still there

[hardy berry]

I hope the PEACE center was a tease for a PNW map, would love that

[gentle bronze]

pog

I hope one day we get a horizon variant that's more finished/broken depending on the area. Maybe if we get a CNS Vs Vaiiya season

[chrome kernel]

like the map is split in half between vaiiya perfection, and cns clitch? that'd be cool

[knotty fractal]

We are

[proper night]

I bet the sponsors will be Ospuze, Vaiiya, HydraQ/CNS

[chrome kernel]

awww, but I want more holtow

[knotty fractal]

I don’t think ospuze is gonna be a sponsor

[gentle bronze]

Two oldies?

[proper night]

Who do you reckon itll be then

[chrome kernel]

They already did a vaiiya vs cns season, I don't think vaiiya will come back

[gentle bronze]

I assume Sofia is this mad because not only is Hydra competing, but she's kicked out as well

That's why she's been handled/dealt with.

[sterile dagger]

does anyone know the logo of hydraq

[crude latch]

// SySHorizon was p built years in advance as a beta testing ground, I think..

[knotty fractal]

Volpe,trentila, cometa

[gentle bronze]

Never before have we even heard of sponsors actually competing. It's always been Coke Vs IKEA Vs LG - different areas of business.

I think that's what may make Sofia mad - I think Hydra is a drink company that's an actual competition

[crude latch]

trentila definitely partially owned by ospuze since the tigar flavor uses ingredients by them.

[knotty fractal]

More like coke vs gucci vs Geico

[gentle bronze]

Ah I didn't mean actual comparisons, just that they're not creating rivaling products

[knotty fractal]

I know I was just making a joke