👂┇game-feedback

[elfin badge]

quick cash would be so much funner if the respawns were actually quick

[foggy crag]

Having the same issue since yesterday. I’ve play with automatic region but I am from South America

[timber vigil]

What if I wanna drink OSPUZE in the US? Please let us Americans taste the peak that is OSPUZE

[wraith silo]

add us new body types by taking the existing body types and adding/removing the breasts🧐 , now we would have a male and female version of every body type. knowing how the devs dont like adding content as of right now this is most likely the only way to add new body types and yes im gonna repost until devs see

[limber orchid]

To everyone who just leaves I hate you. Genuinely. You’re usually so terrible too, please get off of ranked for us who actually wanna rank up.

[tender sail]

Please fuck the winch claw right off. It's no different to the stun gun.

[ancient escarp]

Please help, my embark account was blocked indefinitely, although I didn't use any third-party programs or scripts, I honestly love your game, I buy various skins there and play actively, I just started to play better after a big break, I bought a new computer specifically to play your game, please help

[round isle]

Immortalize contestants by allowing players to copy contestants you come across and use them yourself and track most popular contestants for sponsorship eligibility

[weary pine]

Remove Sword!

[dusky pebble]

Embark please do something about people that get mad because of one bad fight this guy refused to play after the first fight in the second round his user name is federale

[fleet seal]

wonderful matchmaking. i take a break for a few, come back, and immediately remember why i left this game in the first place. i wish i could get the money back that i have wasted playing a game with devs who only cater to certain players

[wanton robin]

Please add an option to disable the ugly cosmetic number from outfits!!! I hate and will never buy or wear an outfit with a number on it.

[quick coyote]

💯

[hard magnet]

While I understand the decision to make spawn locations less likely to be "baby sit" to make teams respawn far away from objectives, its lead to a lot of situations in which someone on my team is tasked with taking the vault to the cashout station for an early plug (usually a light or a shock wave medium) and having the enemy team effectively spawn on them after they come back, causing the enemy team to get a large advantage because one player is a bit faster the the rest of the team. It's very frustrating to experience, maybe the system could allow for preventing near spawns when a player has yet to start the cashout station?

[zinc nexus]

okay, i know dual blades aren't that bad in combat as someone who uses them a lot... that said the fact they practically can't kill a heavy faster than a heavy can take steal a cashout is super rough. have lost a number of matches due to it and it doesn't get any less frustrating.

[vestal prairie]

Whoever is in charge of Rs gain or loss just send yourself into Siberia man

[molten ruin]

what going on with oce servers? constant red ring and people leaving all the time

[unborn minnow]

I dont like the seed system, there have been 10s of times this season where the game has decided im Seed 1 as i have a higher rank than the rest of the the lobby then i lose to a full team of ex rubies and go down -800. Even if i win i get +300 and then when i have a low seed of like 4-8 i have no chance of winning anywqy and get stomped. It feels like when i have a chance of winning im getting very small increases but loads of loss and when there is lower chance due to lower seed im still losing even. I just cant gain.... And to top it off i get griefed by third parties every other game even if my team does well.

[rotund gust]

I didn't get my season 9 gold rank charm 😡
I did get a gold token though

[daring ingot]

DAY 15 of asking for Head2Head to be added back

[wide creek]

Yes yes I love running into a team with two heavies with sledge, both with dome, barricade, lockbolt and WINCH.

Could never get close. They never missed with winch, never even had to get close to me they just WAITED FOR WINCH COOLDOWN FOR 100% OF THEIR KILLS.

Just SPAMMING shields, endless barricades and domes, attacking a inside cashout (because we literally have to, becuase most cashouts are indoors).

FUCKING REMOVE WINCH

Also +700 RS for my 7th seed win? Fuck off

[simple ether]

This is every high elo match. Nothing but winch and shield spam. The heavies need to be nerfed into the fucking ground for a change.

[young hatch]

These are Apex stats which has strong RAA.

MnK is superior in The Finals which is why a majority of the grand majors comp players are MnK.

I play MnK and Controller, since switching to MnK I mostly main MnK. Which I play in PS5 only lobbies, so a majority of the people I play are using controller with AA and at my age I have no issue too 3 and MVP.

Yes controller can be good in certain situations but the input and everything feels sluggish and slower vs MnK.

If you watch cams of team mates on controller, especially less skilled ones, you can see AA not working, you can see them struggling.

I have 30% accuracy in a lot of auto weapons in BF6. Some only 20% because of my play style.

AA doesn’t need a nerf, even controlling recoil on certain guns like the FCAR is a huge disadvantage on controller. It feels very floaty vs playing FCAR with MnK.

As reference because I use both input methods vs using data from other games, I know AA in the finals isn’t broken like COD or Apex. I use Superglide v3 glass pad, crazy light v2 and sometimes switch to VXE R1 pro for a larger mouse. my controller is a PS5 Edge.

[versed cloud]

Improve quick cash as a game mode, it has so many instances of unfairness in regards to spawn timers and distances from objective. Remove 80% of the trash littered over the maps. Rework the sword focusing more so on making it fun to use and not just a m1 spam simulator. Add map voting to the game. Reduce visual glare from light sources when on ground floors in buildings. Return original Las Vegas into map rotation. Add more flags for the people who want to represent their strange country nobody has ever heard of. Make barricade override props and trash that's on the floor, have a mount option for windows and doorways. Revert quick melee change, as it just make the game less responsive for no reason, fixing something that was never broken.

[wintry shadow]

Devs/Feedback Team

You need to nerf the f out of throwing knives
They have no drawback, anytime I try to fight these guys
They miss 70% of they’re shots and still get me to low hp
And you don’t need a reload, or cooldown time

[jaunty vapor]

majority of the grand major lights were on roller, actually
if AA is balanced against mnk players with over 1000 hours of kovaaks, controller should be expected to do the same to compete

[dapper escarp]

I have an idea for the practice range maybe add a separate room, kinda like the bot room and create a mini map with foliage and other obstacles and buildings and allow players to 1v1 . To expand on this idea, you can even create a 2v2 option and add more to the mini map obstacles. Eventually ending at 3v3 and basically create a mini heads to head. You can swap out the game mode with cash out TDM or a search like game mode.

[hoary gate]

I just noticed that the new ruby and emerald skins have black carbon trim instead of chrome. Please change those skins back. This new look is a serious downgrade

[gritty jetty]

if the fight lasted long enough for the infinite ammo to actually make a difference then you probably deserve to have lost that fight

[dusty summit]

Ranked is in a terrible spot right now, smurfs are everywhere and matchmaking is ridiculous. At least add account verification

[limpid forge]

[dark niche]

please go try tks for yourself, they're not nearly as easy as you think

[hearty hatch]

The game is actually NOT fun anymore. This is the first time I've felt this way. Matchmaking in ranked is awful.

[high stag]

embark,please please please give us an option to remove the scope off from the light sniper (sr 84)

[crude current]

Remove daggers from the game. stupidly OP,

[tawdry surge]

show what an expression will look liek on your playercard before you buy it

[golden ferry]

Where mullets?

[ripe herald]

remove aim snapping from controller

[hybrid patio]

please more nama tama merch and restock nama plushie so i can replace a stolen one

[true void]

once again, swapping from the heal beam to the famas makes the gun shoot a burst unintentionally

[rain leaf]

Tired of it

[olive kelp]

MGL32 Sidearm Spin inspect animation has a small blip in the middle. Very cool though!

[lost python]

Embark make sonar nades detect only when moving. This gives a counter play to it by standing still and also mind games and whatnot

[uneven mountain]

Keep dagger nerfed

[mint wing]

I know it's kind of a 'nothing burger' sort of suggestion but I really think we should get some STEAM POINTS SHOP additions for The Finals.

Some good player profiles and profile backgrounds would honestly do a lot of work for advertising the game, and they'd be relatively inexpensive to produce in-house as well. In particular I think of how the GTFO character portraits went, like, triple platinum on steam in spite of that game being relatively niche (super fun, though), and went a long way in spreading knowledge about it via word of mouth.

Here are a few that I would do if I was on Embark's art team:
-Profile banner of coins falling on a blue background, maybe with a vault and/or cashout at the bottom right so that you can see it on the edges of a profile
-Animated cashbox profile portrait
-Animated profile portraits for 3-6 characters or popular skins. Maybe one for Dede, Ursa, or all the 'named' Finals contestants
-A CNS-themed profile background, border, banner and portrait
-Namatama (whatever the egg is) themed profile portrait
-ORF themed profile background

These would just give players a nice way to express their love for the game on their steam profiles, and would have the added benefit of getting more eyes on The Finals, again, just via word of mouth.

[tropic sentinel]

Nerf throwing knives

[vagrant dust]

The SA1216 should have an option for a sight like the Medium shotguns and the M26 Matter. It has a picatinny rail system for a reason...

[honest wing]

They're missing 70% of the time and they get you to low health? Maybe because they're not as easy to use as you think

Still gives you plenty of time to kill them

[craggy nova]

Please fix. The stupid lag issue in Asia, it’s not just me. Other players in Asia also having this issue. Game lags in cash out and ranked. And it goes away when I restart the game. It’s happening since the start of this season. This is a game issue not the servers. The twitch streamer masuka also has this and he keeps talking in his stream. Why haven’t dev made any statements about this. Are you guys working on it or should I just gave up on the cash out and ranked all together not play at all!!

[young hatch]

Can you not use ChatGPT one time?

Edge is not an experience, it’s the PlayStation branded pro controller.

There’s no data for The Finals and controller being better, again ChatGPT fail. Look at all the YouTubers, Streamers, all MnK.

If controller was OP, I wouldn’t switch to MnK and play lobbies only against controller.

And if you believe this Apex data is relevant to The Finals and you truely feel it’s so OP, then switch to controller.

I’m not going to converse with ChatGPT, lol. If I wanted to argue with an LLM I’ll download it myself.

[fringe hatch]

They’ve done it on purpose because previous existing skins weren’t from token but hard earned (like the 63/75 final round wins in S3 AKM emerald skin for example) for me it’s ok

[cyan sable]

Instant ability/spec cooldowns toggle in practice range

[south ravine]

Day 85 of asking Embark to add native HDR support to the finals.

[errant cosmos]

I wish the matchmaking was just ping. We would be put against every level so there is any potential combination of people.
If I'm better than 70% I wish I felt that.

If people are like me, when I played against friends less skilled I lower my level and or nerf myself. I want fun and destroying them every match gets boring for me and frustrating for the other.

If the matchmaking was just ping, i think it will incentive people to find different kind of fun and so create different kind of lobbys. Skillbased incentivise/reward skill. Ping incentivise/reward whatever the player base do with the game.

[mild gull]

How to correctly balance the 93R (its current TTK is awful)

The 93R's current TTK is even worse than it was pre-S5 and in my honest opinion it is subpar versus other light class options (like the ARN, the XP-54, the V9S and the LH1).
This weapon gets out-damaged in most cases by the FAMAS (across all classes), a similar 3-round burst weapon with 4 more rounds in the magazine present in the medium class, which has 100 more HP.
In my opinion it doesn't make sense that the light class burst weapon has... less DPS potential than the medium class burst weapon?

Proposed 93R changes:
Damage: 24** (same)**
Burst delay: 0,275s > 0,23s

This change will result in the following TTKs (Time-to-kill):

Body:
light: 0,81s -> ** 0,72s** (7 shots) (does NOT 2 burst lights with body shots only)
medium: 1.28s -> 1,14s (11 shots)
heavy: 1.74s -> 1,56s (15 shots)

Head:
light: 0.47s -> 0,42s (5 shots)
medium: 0.81s -> 0,72s (7 shots)
heavy: 1.22s -> 1,08s (10 shots)

Damage drop-off minimum range: 30m ->** 27m**
Damage drop-off maximum range: 37.5m ->** 34.5m**
Damage Dropoff Modifier @ Max Range: 50%** (it stays the same)**

These changes will make the weapon solid while not making it overpowered; for comparison, the ARN, a weapon with effectively a 60 round magazine, more range, and fully automatic has TTKs that are on average 10% faster than the 93R. This makes it effectively a completely superior option while being easier to use and way more forgiving. Missing a burst on the 93R means you are extremely penalised in your killing potential. This isn't the case for the ARN.

With these changes, the 93R will not 2 burst lights with body shots only, which was the product of an oversimplified "nuclear" buff made in Season 5.
This proposal will also make the 93R less capable to poke at long range due to lower minimum and maximum drop-off ranges, leaving that task to options such as the ARN and the LH1 (preserves the weapon niche).

[muted portal]

Winchclaw ruined heavys weapon balancing,kill the serpent in the garden.

[plush robin]

not always chatgpt, ppl can just be stupid

[lofty hound]

Sponsor showdown item for season 9 where?

[clear haven]

Need to see this in the game man the 93R is so underwhelming now
And revert the FAMAS’ recoil nerf because there’s literally zero reason to use it over the FCAR or Crossbow rn, its DPS is atrocious if you don’t land headshots (TTK vs Heavy especially, 24 base damage would remedy that) and yet they crippled its recoil

[round isle]

I was in a few games last night where I had players on my team completely ignore the objective and just chase contracts. Although I think players should have a place to do this casually, a competitive mode like quick cash is detrimental to their 2 other teammates who are trying to win. The game def needs a casual mode for new player and contract chasers to just have fun. Fist thing that comes to mind is a “welcome to the finals” server where players can watch competitive matches but walk about the map independent of the competitive scene. Be able to shoot at each other and “have fun” and learn about the games.
Dropping in experienced competitive players with absolute beginners is stressful for the new and competitively detrimental to the experienced. Either cycle casual fun based ltms under a button or develop some sort of “pooling” mode for new and casual player to enjoy and learn.
I myself often get tired of competing. I still want to play the finals but I don’t want to be competitive, so a goofy ltm rotator would appeal to me as well.

[lone quail]

1000000% 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 so annoying. have it sometimes on europe

[grand hare]

more DB cosmetics

[warped meteor]

Bring back Head 2 Head

Perhaps add 1 round cashout as well.

[verbal cairn]

truer words have never been spoken

[jaunty vapor]

majority of grand major lights were roller

[rich fox]

i’m glad that the game is in a pretty balanced state, but fuck man… the weekly update needs to be more than just bug fixes and some new cosmetics.

[smoky gust]

i think having a map specific mode occasionally like we do for starlight hollow right now could be pretty nice

i do hope head 2 head is coming back once its done

[modern harness]

Embark do you even play with a minigun? why is this weapon so usless and weak?
And bring back terminal attack

[mortal owl]

19th time asking for more loadout slots insted of outfit slots

[frank summit]

They should atleast make it so that we have 9, 3 for each. 8 isn't dividable by 3 into a whole number. Makes 0 sense.

[broken citrus]

Triple meds + HHM gotta go

[daring ingot]

DAY 16 of asking for Head2Head to be added back

[short cipher]

Bring back head2head

[austere hemlock]

Bring back Head2Head and adjust the amount of money you get (50000000 🏆)

[high stag]

Embark give us a cashout mode that we get a random loadouts

[tepid summit]

allow clipping on all cosmetics

[honest wing]

Game-feedback

[long arrow]

New season , new afks in ranked bot matchmaking
Nice work Embark

[hollow cloud]

I want the option to choose the map and the conditions in ranked mode

[sharp arch]

Solo queue lights have absolutely killed ranked tournament. This game needs a role queue. 8/10 of my last matches were completely sold by bad lights.

[cloud oak]

CL40 is in the worst state since beta. They have really killed its effectiveness this season... especially when combined with unresponsiveness of it not firing you get burst down in a fraction of second and it won't even fire on some occassions.

[regal hound]

I was kicked out of a game for being Inactive. I was just watching Shorts while waiting for a match and I have the game audio turned off when tabbed out. Can you make it so that Match-Ready sound is un-mutable in that option? Because now I have to turn on game sound always on even when tabbed out.

[thorn gulch]

Whatever change was done to ranked matchmaking, it sucks. Fire the person who suggested this solution.

[livid spruce]

• Servers are unstable

• Since season 9 the game has been extremely unoptimized and has non-stop stuttering even on low settings.

• Smurfing has become an increasing issue with its peak worse on s9 and 10. Feels like casual matches are sweatier and much less enjoyable than ranked at this point.

• Quitters are another major, increasing issue. You have to count quits as losses and add a cooldown timer even on casual matches because all people care about is a pristine K/D and W/L ratio on their smurf accounts now and keep ruining the experience for everyone else.

[serene perch]

The crossbow is just so insanely oppressive at basically every range, please either slow it down and make it similar to the pike/repeater or lower it's damage to make it more like a precision ar

[errant cosmos]

I wish the matchmaking was just ping. We would be put against every level so there is any potential combination of people.
If I'm better than 70% I wish I felt that.

If people are like me, when I played against friends less skilled I lower my level and or nerf myself. I want fun and destroying them every match gets boring for me and frustrating for the other.

If the matchmaking was just ping, i think it will incentive people to find different kind of fun and so create different kind of lobbys. Skillbased incentivise/reward skill. Ping incentivise/reward whatever the player base do with the game.

[limpid hill]

When are we gonna stop pretending that thermal vision doesn't exist? Cloak buff and no thermal vision is kinda diabolical.

There's a much easier fix than you think, and it's as simple as removing smoke grenades from light's utility pool.

Sure, their teammates could bring smoke grenades, and it would accomplish the same thing, but it would require the player who's bringing smoke grenades to constantly smoke grenade the light, which isn't reliable with how fast paced the combat is, because they would have to hold hands the whole time, and it would be an active detriment to the smoke grenade user, because they literally cannot see

[copper blaze]

Delete dash, it's a broken skill

[ancient escarp]

Hi,

I recently received a permanent ban in The Finals while I was in the practice range. I have already contacted support, but I wanted to ask if there are any known false bans related to network tools or background software.

Thank you.

[minor star]

Serious feedback on Sword

I played Sword for about 1000h (hit rank 90 with it before) and a few things get lost in the heated "Sword is overpowered/unplayable" discussion.

First of all both sides need to be understood where they are coming from.

Yes in a casual lobby where people don't hit the important shots a Sword that is just running around and left clicking people to death seems absurd, overpowered and has little to do with skill expression.

The Problem is as soon as you cross the line of people investing enough time to hit even just a moderate amount of their shots left clicks become less and less viable and you have to learn combos and movement tricks to minimize the damage you take while maximizing the damage output. That's where the sword lunge comes in. Lunging is the part where skill expression shows with movement, spacial awareness and positioning. With reducing the damage AND introducing a rotation clamp the lunge becomes really clunky to use and less effective than the simpler M1 spamm.

So what can Embark do to fix the issue for both sides ? Put the focus of the weapon back on the lunge to reduce frustrating scenarios.

Second Problem, lunging through an entire team and dealing massive damage with very little counterplay should not be a thing. It is very frustrating to play against and extremely situational. It should be like other melee weapons. Left clicking less damage but can multihit and the "special attack" single target but is special in some way. Hammer has a single target high damage and destruction. Sword should have single target damage on the lunge but high mobility.

The rotational clamp itself got introduced to get rid of people 360° rotating through an entire team for a huge hurtbox and is without multihits therefore redundant.

I intentionally didn't talk about hit registration because it haunts the game as a whole and has only gotten worse in the beginning of season 10 but of course it increases the frustration for alot of people. Hit detection, desyncs and server performance in general should be a heavy focus for you because it is very frustrating and from experience playing with alot of different people a big reason people ragequit or in general leave the game. Like all other bugs it should not be a reason to increase/decrease the weapons power and should rather be fixed.

Changes

M1 Damage 88 -> 74 (one more left click for each class)

Lunge Multihits -> removed
Lunge Damage 120 -> 140 (without multihits and less left click damage you need the combo breakpoint of 136 to have a fighting chance)
Lunge rotational clamp -> removed

Other Feedback

Ranked needs one less round. The current playerbase can't sustain proper matchmaking with 24 player lobbies. Cutting it in half with 12 player lobbies and 2 rounds for everyone so even the "losing teams" play for 3rd place would not only help with players being on similar skill levels but also relieve frustration for the casual playerbase from losing rs in 15 mins but gaining the same amount in 45 mins.

Small QOL Updates You have the so many good features that would be little work for you but would impact the community positively and fill the content breaks. One example would be releasing the collected data about weapons etc. as an api just like for example "op.gg" or "lolalytics" from League of Legends. Collab with the talented people in your community that already built sites like the leaderboard/bans/rename tracker. Other ones would be changing the weapon stats to numbers instead of a vague bar so it's more readable, adding assists to the profile or having a simple match history that locally saves the stats of the last 10 games or so.

[charred zephyr]

Yellow raincoat + umbrella skin

[sullen raptor]

I think we should be able to create more than 8 possible premade characters/loadouts. A lot of us like to run different weapons all the time, so having a build for each weapon would be nice

[ember ridge]

EMBARK YOU SN 0F BTCHS REMOVE WINCHHHHHHH!!!!!!

[wintry patrol]

Don't remove winch

[sonic arrow]

Dont remove or not remove winch

[muted portal]

Winchclaw ruined heavys weapon balancing,kill the serpent in the garden

[hidden prawn]

make tracking dart perm tracking until someone dies/kills on either team

[supple yew]

Hey! The seeding in ranked cashout has been bothering me lately. How is it possible that my wiped team has an active cashout that has not been stolen and no one is actively trying to steal it and we still end up getting seeded to the cashout across the map? It is so frustrating to spawn back into the game and realize that despite the best efforts of our grapple light, it is just not possible within the confines of the game to get to the cashout to defend it in a reasonable manner. It truly feels like we are being actively seeded out of the game. Please look into this and make sure that if your team has an active cashout, you won't be seeded across the map.

[desert bay]

This games a fucking joke, I’m at my best a max gold going against Ruby and Diamond. Wtf…

[muted plaza]

chicken butt

[sinful finch]

Fixes for this season :
Reduce dmat charge time to 15
Nerf dash to two charges but reduce the time to get it back
Fix disconnection issue in tourneys
Make winch go through dome at least
Add team wipe penalty to cashout because theres sometimes where its literally impossible to catch up
Make block on dual blades take 20% damage

Buff model range

Reduce minigun mag back to 250

Nerf cross bow fire rate

Reduce the recovery time after getting full flashed

Buff hover pad health to make it more viable

Remove Kyoto from ranked play

[mild gull]

How to correctly balance the 93R (its current TTK is awful)

The 93R's current TTK is even worse than it was pre-S5 and in my honest opinion it is subpar versus other light class options (like the ARN, the XP-54, the V9S and the LH1).
This weapon gets out-damaged in most cases by the FAMAS (across all classes), a similar 3-round burst weapon with 4 more rounds in the magazine present in the medium class, which has 100 more HP.
In my opinion it doesn't make sense that the light class burst weapon has... less DPS potential than the medium class burst weapon?

Proposed 93R changes:
Damage: 24** (same)**
Burst delay: 0,275s > 0,23s

This change will result in the following TTKs (Time-to-kill):

Body:
light: 0,81s -> ** 0,72s** (7 shots) (does NOT 2 burst lights with body shots only)
medium: 1.28s -> 1,14s (11 shots)
heavy: 1.74s -> 1,56s (15 shots)

Head:
light: 0.47s -> 0,42s (5 shots)
medium: 0.81s -> 0,72s (7 shots)
heavy: 1.22s -> 1,08s (10 shots)

Damage drop-off minimum range: 30m ->** 27m**
Damage drop-off maximum range: 37.5m ->** 34.5m**
Damage Dropoff Modifier @ Max Range: 50%** (it stays the same)**

These changes will make the weapon solid while not making it overpowered; for comparison, the ARN, a weapon with effectively a 60 round magazine, more range, and fully automatic has TTKs that are on average 10% faster than the 93R. This makes it effectively a completely superior option while being easier to use and way more forgiving. Missing a burst on the 93R means you are extremely penalised in your killing potential. This isn't the case for the ARN.

With these changes, the 93R will not 2 burst lights with body shots only, which was the product of an oversimplified "nuclear" buff made in Season 5.
This proposal will also make the 93R less capable to poke at long range due to lower minimum and maximum drop-off ranges, leaving that task to options such as the ARN and the LH1 (preserves the weapon niche).

[empty needle]

fix matchmaking

[mellow python]

add an avoid as teammate button to ranked now

[tawny oak]

Fix the servers, another server in the game that gives damage buff to consoles while increasing latency and registration issues for pc

PLEASE ADDRESS THE FUCKING SERVERS!

nerf bow projectile speed and increase its drop, there is no reason for it to perform better than the sniper rifle

[smoky creek]

Capture the flag when?

[steady breach]

I got pit against a really toxic ruby stack that ran the time on the final round to taunt me and my team. I dont expect embark to chase toxic behaviour because that is an uphill battle, but I really wish the final round time did not allow for this kind of toxicity
https://youtu.be/7da0WDl5GHQ

[dark lark]

fix ur crashes ffs

[faint sundial]

"improved skill based matchmaking" and I get put with two level <50 noobs in a lobby of multi-season diamonds

[tender hill]

FIX THE SERVERS. Fix the desync. Increase the tick rate.

Single shot weapons are unusable in 50% of the rounds due to desync. No hit registration. Getting killed once all the way behind cover. If this game was crisp and responsive, more people would play. It's horrible currently.

[slender pine]

if i own a cashout, i should never spawn more than 100m away. the fact this is still in the game is mind blowing

[gritty jetty]

revert demat and famas to season 7 and buff ak
arn damage and fire rate should be changed so it feels like the other assault rifles instead of a long range smg

[bright quest]

add a button to the practice range that will toggle gadget cooldowns kindof like the one in deadlock

[little ore]

i don’t think the winch is overpowered in anyway i think it’s a perfect thing to stop annoying players and i think it’s perfect i don’t get the hate

[edgy berry]

Skill-based matchmaking should be in regular cashout. Games where you just auto-lost are so unfun

[daring fossil]

I've been telling them this since season 1, but they keep nerfing the single shot guns instead. This is what made me quit playing this game.

[dense ocean]

day 48 asking for a free moolah peluche

[drifting cove]

Revert CL40 into having meaningful splash damage. Trying to make it focus on direct damage is useless from how other weapons do it so much better. Make explosives actually have the upside of meaningful indirect damage

[indigo peak]

Can we get a friend chat box for pc and console player or sum type of whisper

[tranquil stratus]

The First big text i read that doesnt disrespect the devs and actually makes a good point regarding 93r's balancement

[young hatch]

Your text is 100% ChatGPT, the structure, the way it does outputs.

Your argument about Lights and Grand Major shows that controller is not viable due to it being limited to a specific class and scenarios.

It proves that controller is only viable in certain scenarios. Close range, fast movement where recoil control isn’t a factor. It’s not competitive at all at distance due to AA being weak and controlling recoil at range vs MnK will lose every time. (I know because other AR players give up challenging me because I hit them consistently as MnK vs controller).

MnK doesn’t require tracking with mouse 100%, you use mirror movement to follow enemies in most situations, which is why it’s been easy to transition to MnK.

You need to understand casual players is what makes games. If they wanted MnK only in the pro leagues they can controllers, ban weapons, play styles etc.

But you wanting to nerf AA on players using 60hz TVs is wild. If you have issues tracking player movements, maybe download an Aim Trainer, focus on getting better at the game.

I moved to MnK because it’s the better input, so Mr ChatGPT if you really think just because one class in the grand major being dominated by one input vs the two other classes is so unfair, switch to controller.

[abstract coyote]

My opinion I’ve been playing this game since beta and what I can say about all the changes in this game so far has been amazing, but one thing doesn’t stand and that’s the fact they give a heavy build with the most health a healing emitter that becomes broken when having a medium healer as well not to mention that both items heal by tracking as light players get a H+Infuser that does not track so healing players is not good for the casual player base, as all the other builds you can heal without even aiming.

[woven quest]

remove sword from the game. that is all.

[torpid quarry]

Server connection too poor to enjoy the game today

[honest verge]

Point Break should contribute more meaningfully towards World Tour. I am not sure how it works but more points should be rewarded based on tickets remaining when attacking, or stage that defender shut attackers out at.

[jaunty vapor]

here's the part that's actually important. At a high level (best players in the major i.g. uni, bubba, kaffeino, etc), mnk outcompetes roller.
What isn't stated: To reach this high level, mnk players practice thousands of hours in aim trainers.
Rollers don't practice at all.
But, roller is noticeably worse for heavy than mnk

[sonic timber]

For the love of all that is holy and good in this world embark please remove snipers from power shift they make that game mode so fucking un fun to play especially on kyoto

[maiden anchor]

NERF QUIMERA

[long plume]

yo can we have a whisper option? and like a note for friends profile so you can remember who everyone is

[cerulean mason]

This minigun skin is such a disappointment, why is it so tiny??? The size disparity between 1st and 3rd person is insane. Also no unique muzzle flash or gunfire sounds??? Where is the ultimate in my ultimate bp?? Honestly sad that I paid money for this, it looks like a mobile game skin

[charred rover]

Hello Embark,

Please bring back head2head.

Sincerely,
Contestant

[thorny lynx]

Leaderboards work for 8 seasons.... then break. Cause obviously change something when it works.... FIX LEADERBOARDS

[small shadow]

Make season 80-90 days + add exact ping

[simple ether]

What in the Halo 2 host is this hit reg in this dogshit game?

[worldly tulip]

Brotato chip said he quit but doesn't stop complaining

[ebon elbow]

People say the CL40 requires more skill now that the splash damage is nerfed and it's all about those direct hits. But honestly, this thing’s projectile takes like 300-500ms to land—probably the slowest in the game. So it's not even about the aim, it's about the prediction.

In a 1v1, there are so many ways to counter it: high ground kills the CL40, melee kills the CL40, and generally all the opponent needs is a bit of lateral movement or a well-timed jump to force a splash hit, which just got gutted. There are really only two ways to guarantee a direct hit: catching someone unaware/sitting still, or at point-blank range, which is basically suicide. I'm fine with the splash nerf, but self-damage should've been decreased to compensate, not increased. Also, the 105 damage buff was definitely not needed.

[tropic sentinel]

Remove melee on all classes holy shit

[sonic arrow]

this meme

also add harsher penalties to leaving qp games

[honest wing]

nah

you want loot boxes in this game too?

[limber prairie]

the whole reason for quickplay existing is so you can join and leave at any time without consequences or having to worry about ranked score, penalizing leaving would take away the entire point

[trim tendon]

Please, please, please let me play this game natively or via cross over on my mac. Seems like not a heavy lift with crossover supporting EAC?

[trail terrace]

fix the matchmaking ffs, why do i always get idiots and new players while the enemy is cordinated full stack

[spring lodge]

can we revive the power shift gamemode, like give it a ranked or promote it. Me and my friends used to only play this and its sad seeing it die.

[bold python]

I completely agree best game mode

[cold jungle]

Nooooooooooooooo

[eager gyro]

• Give Oceania & South America some love

The more modes you add the more it hurts these two regions. Right now in SA you can only play ONE mode: Quick Cash. Last death was TDM. You can't play any other thing than Quick Cash if you are from SA and want to play with good ping.

• Bugs

1. Chat censoring. Some normal words get censored while insults pass since the chat was introduced to the game.
2. Hard-stuck bug after finding a game. Workaround is to restart the game, and bug has been around for several seasons.
3. Cam gets stuck after getting killed. Bug since launch.
4. Friend List shows friends connected when they are not. Introduced this season.

• Queuing & Latency suggestions

1. Show queue population and fix estimates.
2. Show region to the entire party while queuing.
3. Fix having to sync region with party leader so that you don't have lag.
4. Show ping / packet numbers in game. Yellow/Red indicators don't have any value.

• Accessibility

Footsteps and cashout steal sounds are hard to hear because other sounds often mask them.
Add accessibility options to:

1. Increase those volumes
2. Flash a bigger and noticable red light in the top left of the screen when a cashout is being stolen

• Map Voting

Every mode should have it (Overwatch approach).

• Ranked should have 1 less round (24 → 12 players)

One Cashout round followed by head-to-head matches → 1v2 & 3v4 → 2v3.

• Anti-Smurf Detection

If a new account clearly performs above its skill level, it should be moved to higher-skill lobbies instead of facing new players. Repeated smurfing should lead to bans.

• Duplicate + naming features for loadouts

Similar to outfits.

• Polls & Roadmap

Players who invest time/money should influence direction (OSRS approach), not only the pro scene. Game needs more focus on casual.
It is great that you finally added a roadmap. Thank you. Keep doing that!

[sullen silo]

will you guys ever open up cashout to maybe 4 teams of 5? it’s too bad we can’t play the main game mode with a larger group of friends

[versed raft]

Ranked should have 1 less round.
It would help so much with balance especially in late night matches(no matter what time zone you're in).
I get some crazy lobbies when I'm playing late at night. I'm a gold/plat player that works night shift so night time is just when I'm able to play, and I get matches with at least one team that just STOMPS the lobby, no contest. Taking ranked down 1 round would really help with that by shrinking the pool of players the game needs to fill the game with.

[snow peak]

why did me and my team get put into two different matches for world tour but said it was waiting for us to connect to each others game?

[young drum]

the xp needss a range buff to 25 meters at least, and a reload buff, its so bad rn

[muted portal]

Winchclaw ruined heavys weapon balancing,kill the serpent in the garden

[scarlet pilot]

add/fix sbmm in casual gamemodes, nerf/rework dash, remove/replace winch, add drone gadgets for medium, add .50 bmg for heavy

[woeful canopy]

• Replace Starlight Valley with Bank it
• Let us spend vrs on gear xp boosts
• Add a ladder gadget for Heavy

[next grail]

Dear Embark Studios,
I’m a huge fan of your game, THE FINALS! My Player ID is Pkl#1299.
I’m writing to suggest some new content. I believe it’s time to add new animations for the Quick Melee attack, which is currently limited to the elbow strike. Since players use this attack constantly, having unique animations—especially for finishing off an opponent—would make the gameplay even more satisfying.
The idea first came to me a while ago, but it really took shape when I saw the new Revolver skin with the green bayonet in the Season 10 Premium Battle Pass.
It would be amazing to have different types of Quick Melee attacks. For example:
Weapon-Specific Attacks: Like a dedicated bayonet stab for that specific revolver skin.
Unique Unarmed Strikes: Things like a "tiger palm" strike, an uppercut, a hook, or even a powerful two-handed shove.
You guys are masters at bringing creative ideas to life, and I really hope you consider implementing something like this in Season 11. Thank you for such a magnificent game!
From Russia with love,
Pkl#1299

[weary pine]

Remove Sword

[maiden anchor]

REMOVE QUIMERA

[gritty jetty]

remove all the things i cant counter

[orchid holly]

when buffing yourself is actually the solution lol

[void blade]

The tripple ghrenade launcher is Insane and miserable to play against

[weak cosmos]

Can we nerf the ARN-220

[tranquil stratus]

Remove my skill issue

[main karma]

fix the matchmaking. the fact that i’m going against diamonds and above in every game i play when i am peak gold is fucking insane. also, the smurfing problem is also just asinine.

[crimson fable]

is anyone lese getting crazy lagg every second match?

[spark crown]

fix the servers

[sand holly]

I cannot play since last update , i crash every game

[short cipher]

Bring back head2head

[analog charm]

Literally worst matchmaking there is. 30 losses in a row… getting new player teammates against diamonds every single game. Doesn’t matter which game mode… Thats why no new player will stick to this game. Disappointing.

[wicked basin]

With 30 losses there may be a common denominator :c take a break and you will definitely play better <3

[tulip lark]

i feel like the ultimate battle pass is a bit too much or you could make it use multibucks so people ccan save up for it

[faint saddle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/s/fl4mVVKFnN

[hexed glacier]

Quick cash matchmaking in non existing, we all know this, they know this and don't care, got killed three times by different 3 times in a row platinum players, I barely got gold last season and was the best in my team. This is all you can do Embark? and a developer myself I feel pity for you.

[wide vortex]

revert gate nerf

[daring ingot]

DAY 17 of asking for Head2Head to be added back

[pine raft]

create a matchmaking that is hostile to players and wonder why new players dont join the game

no way to have a fair competition else than being diamond-ruby where no one can smurf

job well done embark

[lime lark]

Please revert the match making changes to ranked at the start of the season, specifically the change that put full stacks more often against other full stacks. This change causes much more harm to the people finding a temporary team in the finals discord or other discords to play ranked with much more than full stacks that play together all day everyday. All this does is forces players like me who don't have the time to play as a permanent team to have to play as solo queue and suffer inconsistent teamates and match making due to the fact that this change doesn't make a difference half the time when solo queuing but makes it too risky to be worth while finding a temporary team for the evening. The reality is playing in a temporary team is barely an advantage over solo queueing but playing as a regular full stack is a huge advantage because you learn to rely on your teammates as you know what to expect from them.

May I suggest to combat full stacks playing against solo queue players you introduce some type of close friends mechanic that makes people on your friends list that you regularly play with eg 4 hours a week for multiple weeks your close friend. Then you prioritise putting these close friend stacks against other ones instead of including one time parties as a full stack.

[hushed cape]

Besides melee, the balancing for heavy and light honesty are pretty good right now, especially for heavy, light could use an invis or even grapple buff but medium could use a little more weapon variation, alongside a second spec which feels good in any rank

[calm kraken]

NERF SH1900 TO 10 DMG PER PELLET

[regal hound]

Allow us to adjust Sensitivity per Class or Weapon etc.
SR-84 being way slower than when I use CB-01 Repeater is a NO-NO

[pseudo warren]

Why is Embark support on false bans so useless ?

[dark niche]

cl40 should rely more on direct hits
why do you want them to make it less skillful than it already is

[thorn gulch]

Fix ranks and matchmaking

• Triple silver play like triple ruby
• 10k RS difference between me and teammates, i get punished for them beeing outclassed 10x
• Seeding is broken, only 3rd place gets a positive most of the time (in combination with above completly BS)
• Smurfs + Hackers. Like do ID verification, this is impossible to enjoy.

I'm stoping playing ranked for now, no reason to play like this anymore.

[livid spruce]

More sponsor-specific weapon or gadget skins would be awesome ngl

[cinder mason]

I hope they move to balancing gadgets more too. The data reshaper is a good start but stuff like the light breach drill, medium flash breach and other grenades are really lacking behind.

[drifting belfry]

add this atp

[honest verge]

There would be more Medium build variety if Embark was able to balance the defib. I don't think the community would quietly cope with defib changes.

[proven mist]

I saw one idea to balance it:

Allow the defib hologram to take damage so players can shoot it to prevent the enemy revive

[old minnow]

I’ve been playing ranked and for the past 3 days me and my friends have only played against cheaters I have lost 6 times in a row despite playing with previous top 10 and previous diamonds and the only way I can win is when I play riot shield because they cannot shoot my feet they can only shoot heads.
Literally every single opponent is a cheater and here’s the proof:

[sterile canopy]

a hipfire headshot is proof of cheating? I don't see what in this video validates your hypothesis

[scenic nacelle]

light is supposed to be a movement class and then yall just nerf the cooldown of the dash, we havent gotten a new weapon for 3 seasons, our health is garbage. As lights we basically cant do anything anymore. The heavys winch is STILL OP because your "nerfs" really aint nerfs. yall gotta balance shit out, this is getting out of hand

[restive marsh]

Can someone gift me the finale carvings set its only 600 multibucks 🥲

[fleet socket]

QoL change

A customization menu like arc raiders please, at least for the hairs. We don't need the same hair to take up 6 slots cause of the different hair colors, this will only get more cluttered as we get more hairs in different colors.

[dense bramble]

You getting unlucky tags in a firefight isn't proof of cheating. There was one headshot in this clip, a hipfire headshot. Do you really think a cheater would be using hipfire with how inconsistent it is, even on weapons that have good hipfire? To add to this you weren't even hit with a headshot yourself by the same person in this clip, in fact you were body shot twice. By the looks of it you're upset and looking for excuses to an encounter that was ||in hindsight|| clearly not in your favor

[lean bluff]

remove hammer from point break

[honest wing]

you lot come up with the most funniest shit

[fresh token]

I would genuinely riot if they did that. I think Defib is fairly healthy rn, but people just won't swap off. I've started running Data Reshaper over Defib if there's another medium. I think people need to be more willing to experiment.

[wispy ivy]

did you upload the wrong clip??

[cosmic tendon]

You're just an idiot, and that's okay, light class is easily the most Op this season, they pretty much have all the weapon variety they need that deal great damage from any range, so they don't need any weapons

[limber orchid]

You’re prolly just bad playing light or don’t know how to play light. Lights OP. Tell me you don’t know how to play light without telling me.

[torn moon]

the new feature (ability is ready / not ready) doesnt work on the healbeam :3

[urban star]

Even I with 2 days in know that Lights are the most op rn😭 With their little M11's and Vanishing mech. The only thing that saves me a bit is Dematerializer

[undone shore]

Please add more slots for configurations. Why is this limit needed at all?
At least make it up to 11, 1 for every specialization.

[minor star]

Serious feedback on Sword

I played Sword for about 1000h (hit rank 90 with it before) and a few things get lost in the heated "Sword is overpowered/unplayable" discussion.

First of all both sides need to be understood where they are coming from.

Yes in a casual lobby where people don't hit the important shots a Sword that is just running around and left clicking people to death seems absurd, overpowered and has little to do with skill expression.

The Problem is as soon as you cross the line of people investing enough time to hit even just a moderate amount of their shots left clicks become less and less viable and you have to learn combos and movement tricks to minimize the damage you take while maximizing the damage output. That's where the sword lunge comes in. Lunging is the part where skill expression shows with movement, spacial awareness and positioning. With reducing the damage AND introducing a rotation clamp the lunge becomes really clunky to use and less effective than the simpler M1 spamm.

So what can Embark do to fix the issue for both sides ? Put the focus of the weapon back on the lunge to reduce frustrating scenarios.

Second Problem, lunging through an entire team and dealing massive damage with very little counterplay should not be a thing. It is very frustrating to play against and extremely situational. It should be like other melee weapons. Left clicking less damage but can multihit and the "special attack" single target but is special in some way. Hammer has a single target high damage and destruction. Sword should have single target damage on the lunge but high mobility.

The rotational clamp itself got introduced to get rid of people 360° rotating through an entire team for a huge hurtbox and is without multihits therefore redundant.

I intentionally didn't talk about hit registration because it haunts the game as a whole and has only gotten worse in the beginning of season 10 but of course it increases the frustration for alot of people. Hit detection, desyncs and server performance in general should be a heavy focus for you because it is very frustrating and from experience playing with alot of different people a big reason people ragequit or in general leave the game. Like all other bugs it should not be a reason to increase/decrease the weapons power and should rather be fixed.

Changes

M1 Damage 88 -> 74 (one more left click for each class)

Lunge Multihits -> removed
Lunge Damage 120 -> 140 (without multihits and less left click damage you need the combo breakpoint of 136 to have a fighting chance)
Lunge rotational clamp -> removed

Other Feedback

Ranked needs one less round. The current playerbase can't sustain proper matchmaking with 24 player lobbies. Cutting it in half with 12 player lobbies and 2 rounds for everyone so even the "losing teams" play for 3rd place would not only help with players being on similar skill levels but also relieve frustration for the casual playerbase from losing rs in 15 mins but gaining the same amount in 45 mins.

Small QOL Updates You have the so many good features that would be little work for you but would impact the community positively and fill the content breaks. One example would be releasing the collected data about weapons etc. as an api just like for example "op.gg" or "lolalytics" from League of Legends. Collab with the talented people in your community that already built sites like the leaderboard/bans/rename tracker. Other ones would be changing the weapon stats to numbers instead of a vague bar so it's more readable, adding assists to the profile or having a simple match history that locally saves the stats of the last 10 games or so.

[placid vapor]

I need Head2Head back

[hazy shore]

ok a bit controversial but a fun addition would be post round open mics so people can talk to each other on different teams. it would create a more connected community and funny moments. sure trash talk is gonna be a thing but thats in every game and can be opted out of with an added setting. if arc can have proxy chat, i think the finals can handle this.

[clever crescent]

Pre game would be even funnnier

[mild gull]

How to correctly balance the 93R (its current TTK is awful)

The 93R's current TTK is even worse than it was pre-S5 and in my honest opinion it is subpar versus other light class options (like the ARN, the XP-54, the V9S and the LH1).
This weapon gets out-damaged in most cases by the FAMAS (across all classes), a similar 3-round burst weapon with 4 more rounds in the magazine present in the medium class, which has 100 more HP.
In my opinion it doesn't make sense that the light class burst weapon has... less DPS potential than the medium class burst weapon?

Proposed 93R changes:
Damage: 24** (same)**
Burst delay: 0,275s > 0,23s

This change will result in the following TTKs (Time-to-kill):

Body:
light: 0,81s -> ** 0,72s** (7 shots) (does NOT 2 burst lights with body shots only)
medium: 1.28s -> 1,14s (11 shots)
heavy: 1.74s -> 1,56s (15 shots)

Head:
light: 0.47s -> 0,42s (5 shots)
medium: 0.81s -> 0,72s (7 shots)
heavy: 1.22s -> 1,08s (10 shots)

Damage drop-off minimum range: 30m ->** 27m**
Damage drop-off maximum range: 37.5m ->** 34.5m**
Damage Dropoff Modifier @ Max Range: 50%** (it stays the same)**

These changes will make the weapon solid while not making it overpowered; for comparison, the ARN, a weapon with effectively a 60 round magazine, more range, and fully automatic has TTKs that are on average 10% faster than the 93R. This makes it effectively a completely superior option while being easier to use and way more forgiving. Missing a burst on the 93R means you are extremely penalised in your killing potential. This isn't the case for the ARN.

With these changes, the 93R will not 2 burst lights with body shots only, which was the product of an oversimplified "nuclear" buff made in Season 5.
This proposal will also make the 93R less capable to poke at long range due to lower minimum and maximum drop-off ranges, leaving that task to options such as the ARN and the LH1 (preserves the weapon niche).

[tulip lark]

please make it so you can get more st in the finals its soooo slow

[celest yew]

Bring back Head2Head please

[short cipher]

Bring back head2head

[frigid citrus]

Remove or lessen the delay between uses of shockwave

[abstract coyote]

Heavy with the healing emitter needs to be removed the fact you give a heavy build with the most health an item to heal them. That is not what heavy build was designed for that is the medium build.

[cursive wind]

Lately, 6 out of 10 matches have server issues, especially when we play in a party. We are playing in Europe with the European server selected. The little red icon appears on the left, and the game stutters and lags. This makes playing ranked normally impossible; it's just unplayable.

[jagged solar]

I agree with Mandy, in my case sometimes i've been matched in EU Servers likely, and im located in latam

[upper citrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1460837849418043637/1492528207096844339/HFmmRHRakAMK-Om.gif

[neon violet]

embark should change the THE FINALS image on the merch website to fit with season 10, because as of today it shows the season 9 art

[prime flax]

servers crashes to often needs to get way better playable servers

[cloud zodiac]

Should make the character take the lute of their back (if they have it equipped) and play it for the "Pluck Around" emote. It looks weird with 2 lutes

[hollow tree]

so what its up to the players to do your jobs for you embark? YOUR ANTI CHEAT SYSTEM IS A FUCKING JOKE?! Where do i send the video of cheaters? because its VERY CLEAR YOU DONT ACTUALLY READ REPORTS OR ACTUALLY BAN ANYONE. THEY MAKE A NEW FREE ACCOUNT AND YOU LET THEM BACK IN?! MAKES TOTAL SENSE

[drifting cove]

Because at this point in time, CL40 trying to direct hit accomplishes very little that a gun can't do and better. Take the 357 for example. That has...

• Hitscan bullets vs a 300-500 ms travel time
• No bullet drop vs a significant bullet drop
• a 2x headshot multiplier that crosses important damage thresholds vs 105 damage that despite being harder to hit crosses no important damage thresholds
• 140 RPM vs 73
• 2.5s E reload vs 5+s E reload
• 6 rounds in mag vs 5
• No self damage vs hitting you for more than your own max damage close up
• Pairs well vs high ground and still is quite probable for best damage on low ground vs doesn't pair well with high ground (despite being explosive) and is nearly impossible to hit for direct damage on low ground

It doesn't need to be only splash damage for it's upsides. But

1. It should have that as a meaningful upside, as explosives main perk is being able to deal significant damage potentially to multiple enemies without needing direct LoS
2. If direct damage is the direction they want to take, despite all those drawbacks I mentioned, at least increase projectile speed significantly and bump up direct damage to 125 to compensate for the serious nerfs to splash damage and the still massive self damage threat

[harsh junco]

EMBARK for the love of all things holy increase the requirements to que ranked lvl 20s should not be with me I've seen lvl 15 before FS not when the entire lobby is 90+ except my teammates its not fair to them or me like my god I'm sitting here with n 12-17 kills and it don't matter cause my team mates might as well be npcs its soul crushing...

[tender sinew]

Really enjoying THE FINALS, especially the customization and new season themes. One thing I’d love to see improved is the base character options. There are very limited darker skin tones and face variations right now. If adding new presets takes time, having a skin tone selector or more mix and match options would make a big difference for customization and representation.

[zealous pine]

delete moving platforms everybody i know hates it
in seoul theres spots you cant even push on its just a one sided event everytime

[hollow kelp]

2 days in u have no idea how to counter them. but tbf they are annoying

[gritty jetty]

2 days in and you dont understand the meta or balancing at all

[raven garnet]

10 seasons embark and we have yet to have this as a emote, plz add it already

[faint sundial]

gold lobbies playing against fucking rubies and losing RS this system is so busted

[clear haven]

With the departure of predetermined skins and the addition of the new reward store, it would be absolutely wonderful if we could receive WT and Ranked rewards in real time rather than having to wait until the start of the next season.
This feels like the next logical step to vastly improve QoL in this department, and I’m sure every member of the community would be delighted to see this change! No longer will you have to wait patiently for that shiny new skin you’ve been eyeing when you’ve already reached the rank you need to get it!

[mortal owl]

20th time asking for more loadout slots insted of outfit slots

[warm briar]

I know this may be reaching but... Would it be possible to add the Glitch Effect from the Ariad, CNS outfit as an effect? The reason I propose this idea is due to how unique any of the garments from this set are. They are difficult to mix with other clothing because of how jarring the effect is. So if the effect was removed and made as it's own thing it would not only make the clothing from the set more flexible but would also allow a change in customization for a lot of outfits.

[quartz glade]

More game events in World Tour, permanently add the Kaiju event to it, new events is fun in world tour. More double barrel events too as a world tour event. Longer event timers too, just let it run when it starts until the end of the match sometimes depending on the event, like double jump, should just stay active the entire time.
🪙 Change world tour rank progression to total cash extracted instead of points, feels like it better matches the whole Finals lore! Money extracted goes brrrrr
🪛 Please make the breach drill explosion blow up even MORE of the wall, it could also cause explosion damage to those behind it alongside the flash, it just doesn't feel great. Maybe faster recharge timer or 2 charges.
🔀 Let us favourite skins so when it randomizes, it picks randomly from those favourites rather than all skins
💯 Let us view the history of our Summary of matches, i can never remember who I played with, at least like the last 10 or something
Have a stats per season rather as well as our overall stats and per class
🏗️ Change "Mega Damage" to "Mega Destruction" because it's misleading on what it actually is
Let users emoji react to messages in this #game-feedback channel as user feedback to other users suggestions.

[vale lantern]

How does the MVP work? I had higher combat and objective score than everyone on both teams and someone with more support score than me gets mvp. Genuinely curious 🧐

[robust prawn]

buff cl40 radius pls

[muted portal]

Winchclaw ruined heavys weapon balancing,kill the serpent in the garden,return heavy to pre Winchclaw strength so that he may receive authentic nerfs instead of being nerfed around Winchclaw,remove Winchclaw

[wide creek]

Chimera is too strong, why the fuck would you just straight up give Medium the LH1 but better?????|

Lazy ass devs

Light is also just weak asf now. All you do is nerf us, while heavies get... BUFFS for some reason???

Why does winch give instant kills? Why is dome so effective at close range by walking in and out of it while shooting? Why does heavy, with its 350 health and OP gadgets, get weapons with an average TTK on lights only 0.07-0.14 s slower than LIGHTS v LIGHTS. I dont give a damn about the hitbox or the speed, that's fucking NOTHING. You give heavies the means to destroy our mobility (lockbolt, winch), remove super close range advantage (dome, also winch), and basically one shot us the moment they see us (RPG, and YET AGAIN, winch).

The only reason people play light more is that its a fun class. The high energy, fast paced class. Stop ruining light's competitive chances just because people like playing the class.

[keen lily]

fix the bug on the moving platforms, in seoul I could move normally on it, but after trying to steal it starts pushing me off the platform by itself and I cannot move against it by pressing any directions, happened to me twice in the same game, bugged garbage modifier

[leaden tangle]

Head 2 Head has that little problem with solo queue players. If four players are divided into 2 teams of two, the last player will be griefed by one of these teams.

KABAM's club has one of these disappointing players who manipulate the matchmaking to benefit their friends.

How short is the line between a bad player and a griefing player? Nothing, h
Head 2 Head should not be back because it was the easiest mode to throw or get wins, something why clubs like CRV3L reached ruby rank in past seasons.

I like the mode, i want it back too. But these craziest experiences are ruining the solo queue matches. If you are a good player who has 2 friends to play this mode, you are lucky. But solo queues or lonely players need justice about this.

I hope this mode will come back with suspension for everyone who is manipulating matchmaking

[tawny oak]

why are the servers getting worse with every fucking update?

why is it that the release is good then it all goes to shit after each update, stop touching the mm, fix the fucking damage or remove servers completely, i dont understand why the damage is garbage

More console players in the match, the worse the server becomes, please optimize or fix the damn crossplay servers, shooting players and shots dont even register properly, please fix your fucking game and stop being cash hungry cows

[lean sundial]

1. UPDATE ANTI-CHEAT AND PERMABAN ALL CHEATERS RUINING THE GAME NOW
2. REMOVE THIS SHIT NEW MAP, IT'S EVEN WORSE THAN KYOTO
3. BRING HEAD2HEAD BACK

[paper falcon]

Please add the option to have sensitivity settings for each weapon. one sensitivity does not fit all

[mild loom]

bring back thermal vision

[dark steppe]

Add more ranks

[dense ocean]

day 49 asking for a free moolah peluche

[kindred oak]

Can we get console only cross play already your anti cheat is cooked

[warped meteor]

Bring back Head 2 Head,

Add 1 round cashout.

Also while I'm at it, are you guys completely unaware of how awful the balancing for point break is? Like it's fundamentally broken as a game mode. Coordinated attackers are at a massive advantage, as they can infinitely res and use the spawn zone as a shield. And, uncoordinated attackers are at a huge disadvantage, as they will bleed tickets and stagger indefinitely. It's the only game mode where it's genuinely Not fair at its core.

[forest cloud]

add using emotes in the lobby also make red barrel always launch and explode when left clicked

[echo urchin]

That's the whole point. Get the plug, go ahead and set up an ambush, swap to long range weapons. Like. Jfc. Problem solve or go play csgo ffs.

[arctic bay]

Fix the statuses for linked accounts where it used to show if you were in menu/q'ing, etc.

And you guys made it lowercase too :(

[paper meadow]

I’m 100% for this. The effect on the clothes and the face from that set are more visible through smoke and gas too meaning I avoid them like the plague, which is a shame because they look spectacular otherwise. Especially that vest and the watch.

There’s even a samurai set from 2(?) seasons back in the store with an identical effect so this wouldn’t even just be a change for folks who completed the s4 pass.

Yeah pull that effect off those sets, do the same with the cartoon effect from s3 if possible. It’s a positive all the way around, more options for customization means more incentive to track down and buy specific cosmetics y’all

[exotic elk]

game-feedback in an nutshell

[fleet socket]

There used to be a way to use these poses while having our skin instead of the battle pass skin but they removed it

[jaunty vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1460837849418043637/1492528207096844339/HFmmRHRakAMK-Om.gif

[waxen thicket]

They didn't add sword rotational clamping to appease to whiners, it's simply to make the sword a better weapon. Before the aim clamp, sword was so spammy that using the M1 was seen as completely non-optimal and stupid, you only use M2 thrust and quick melee. All it took for a filthy sword spammer was to just zip around the enemy, spam M2 several times while violently shaking the aim to maximize hitbox, and no enemy survives that. That's not skill, that's cheese.

And the funny thing is, you can STILL do all of that, and more. But now, because of the aim clamp, you can actually bait the cocky shithead into missing his thrust attack (most M2 spammers are shit at aim, why else would they use melee in the first place?) and punish while it recovers. This is even more awesome considering real-life fencing, which is not like the flashy anime slashes these weebs got all their knowledge about swordfights from. You see, thrust attacks have great reach and force, but it leaves you way too vulnerable if you miss it, and honestly is a bit predictable if you're an amateur and can be countered with relative ease. So the aim clamp, as restrictive as it sounds, is actually a very accurate recreation of how sword thrust attacks work in real life. Kudos to whoever made this balance change, you know what you're doing.

Aim clamp is perfect because now you actually have to AIM the M2 and not just spam it left and right while you dart across the room. Argue all you want, but you can't really convince anyone that shaking your mouse/stick around like a drunk old man at the gas station lavatory with every M2 attack is a viable gameplay strategy. Embark saw that, knew this shit is spammy, and decided to fix it. Same goes for Sledge M2 too, people never used M1 and only spammed M2 for free kills. Well guess what? Free lunch is over, better learn to aim instead of complaining. Or play Flamethrower Heavy, very easy to play.

Keep copy-pasting, my friend. Rest assured, they'll never remove it.

[frozen moss]

Fix the red clock GOoooooood

[marble saddle]

add a castle map, next season at the very least, it doesnt have to be that artistic just please add one

[feral hare]

BRING BACK HEAD2HEAD

[modern grail]

Day 1 of pleading embark to fix their matchmaking:

PLEASE FIX YOUR MATCHMAKING!

[limpid orchid]

Post nerf CL40 is basically unusable. The nerf to its outer blast radius really brought it down.

If you want to make this gun more focused in direct hits, the projectile speed should be buffed at the very least

[hexed grove]

CL-40 is fine, most annoying gun to play against

[plush knot]

yo

[signal valley]

CAN U MAKE THE SPEAR RUBY AND DIAMOND AND EMWORLD SKINS BETTER NOT JUST THE TIP OF IT

[dull tiger]

the sbmm in this game does not work tho

[slate lagoon]

fighting actual pros because you cant figure out how to separate matchmaking from people that spend 15 hours a day on this game from the rest of the people that play this game is insane. this game will die because of shitty matchmaking and awful balance changes because you only listen to content creators and the only class you truly give a shit about is the light class. fuck it, buff sword and buff all light guns because that's what's going to happen anyways because "light is so bad" and "light is so easy to counter" fucking pathetic dev team now that Arc Raiders is popular

oh and removing head2head solidifies even more that you only listen to content creators because "head2head takes away from the core aspect of the game" no you guys cant get enough people to play this fucking game anymore so you're forcing people to play cashout, pointbreak (not a core aspect but whatever), or powershift (also not a core aspect)(also shitty ass gamemode thats just smurf light sniper sim)

[worthy totem]

Never seen a cope this hard. Has to be a m11 dash main. All they had to do to fix sword was tweak the damage or delete multi hit. Now it’s a noobie m1 spam weapon or a clamp cancel gadget swap weapon which doesn’t solve anything. They just made it a lower skill floor shitty high ceiling (by shitty is literally shitty cuz now it’s unreliable unless u dedicate another 3k h into relearning every sword tech). All because people can’t handle getting killed by a melee weapon in an fps game. The meta will always be a light with dash and arm beamin from 400m without any counter play that isn’t using the same loadout against it. But this is your definition of skill. Weirdo. What’s funny is that there still is people crying about actual sword. This just shows how people will never stop crying about it, there isn’t just as much noise as before bc now the weapon is dogshit in ruby were people like appoh or balise can throw a full on campaign to get the weapon deleted. I’ll never forgive the devs from crumbling over the pressure of 24/7 streamers and killing the fun aspect of the game to apease hardcore shooter babies. Like they ain’t gonna leave when the next new fps comes out. Sellouts.

[autumn wagon]

revert bfr fire rate. too clunky

[rotund gust]

I agree revert bfr fire rate. It was perfect before.
Why make a literal hand cannon garbage devs?

[daring mesa]

Oppressive turret meta is going to KILL this game. Every. Single. Game. I see 600 turrets and it's UNBELIEVABLE!!! nerf Oppressive turret meta now embark!!!!🤬😡😠

[wicked basin]

Fr its UNBEARABLE

[long plume]

i also wonder if they change up to match the repeater reload where you get more bullets on empty

[versed cloud]

The team color system sucks considering how much red you put all over the freaking maps.

[pale bronze]

Weapons that are easy to use SHOULD NOT be 'good'. Take dual blades for example. It isnt the best weapon by any means, but it is so easy to use at peak performance that it can outperform better players on 'better' weapons, just bc those weapons take much more skill to get anything out of. Cl40 should be weak, bc u require fuck all aim, deal loads of damage, and hit multiple people at once, without having to ads sl u can jump and run around at full speed.

[undone dagger]

nice smoke embark

[spark crown]

fix the servers!

started in s5 and i have never once disconnected from a game until this season

what are you guys doing?!

[royal fractal]

Exactly this, smoke so useless atm .-.
Long cooldown, short smoke time. (The canister has longer up time)
And its not hiding health properly either.

[cursive urchin]

Dash applies a reaction-time tax on the person trying to hit the dashing player, but not on the player using dash. That asymmetry is the core issue.

Until evasive dash mechanics change, it will remain the strongest specialisation in the game. The problem isn't cost, it's how the ability works.

Right now, dash lets me instantly break aim tracking while still keeping full control of my aim and damage output. The opponent must react to sudden displacement, while I don't pay the same reaction cost. That creates a built-in advantage every time it's used.

A low-impact fix would be to make dash always move in the direction of the crosshair, like it already does when no movement keys are pressed. In that state, dash goes straight relative to aim even if you spin during it: https://streamable.com/agly3t

Every dash gives a large survivability boost (functionally ~50 extra HP), while still allowing up to 3 damage instances in quick succession. Since stun gun removal, there's far less counterplay and I'm rarely punishable during dash.

Even when caught in the open, it feels tankier than heavy. Example from pro play: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2746415466?t=3h30m21s

If dash followed crosshair direction, it would create real tradeoffs:

• I would have to commit to a direction
• I couldn't consistently deal damage while escaping
• Positioning would matter more than raw reaction speed

It would also reduce the reaction-time imbalance. If I must aim my dash direction, I'm making a readable commitment instead of forcing all reaction burden onto the opponent.

This wouldn't kill the specialisation. It would still allow skill plays like dash + burst combos and keep its identity as a mobility tool.

Right now it's too forgiving and too dominant. Easy value, frustrating to play against, especially for casual players.

Balancing dash isn't about numbers. It's about fixing the mechanic that makes it oppressive.

[visual wave]

Sincerely hope you read this

I noticed that there’s a melee rework planned for next season.
Always felt like melee weapons ought to have a very slight movement-speed passive.
And arena props should be able to take a bit more damage depending on the object, perhaps.

Although it’s a big ask, you could pull off an unarmed melee weapon. Attacking would be a combo of rapid attacks (several at most) that would do dramatically more damage to the head, something to that effect. This could enable a lot of unique potential skins: gauntlets, katars, knuckle-dusters, etc. Not sure what class it would be for but I could see either Light or Medium.
I rly can’t stress how well I think a barehanded option would fit into a game as eccentrically dynamic as The Finals.

Ty ily

[sonic nimbus]

Anyone else super annoyed about the sword lately? Sometimes if you don't have the right loadout it is extremely difficult to go against specially in a 1v1? This is my perspective as an average player

[dire vector]

[Game Mode Suggestion] Bed Wars-Inspired 3v3v3v3 Build & Destroy Mode for THE FINALS

Core Concept:
A new PvP mode fusing THE FINALS' signature destruction, class system, and fast combat with Bed Wars' core loop of base defense, build/break, and economy progression, to revitalize the game and retain players.

Key Design Pillars (Balance & Class Identity):

1. Team & Class Lock: Mandatory 1 Light + 1 Medium + 1 Heavy per team to prevent meta abuse.

   • Light: Max mobility, grapple, melee burst, focused on flanking and intercepting cash carriers. No build/break rights to avoid solo backdoor wins.
   • Medium: Versatile mid-range combat, basic build/break, trap placement, and map control. The team's pathing and support backbone.
   • Heavy: Exclusive high-durability build rights, base core destruction, and terrain domination. The only class that can end the game by taking down enemy bases.

2. Core Gameplay Loop:

   • Base & Respawn: Each team has a base core. Core alive = infinite respawns; core destroyed = team eliminated on death.
   • Economy: Collect cash from map vaults, return to base to deposit. 50% to personal wallet (buy gadgets/traps) and 50% to team pool (unlock team-wide ability/utility upgrades, no pure stat inflation).
   • Build & Destroy: Full creative build freedom (like Bed Wars) integrated with THE FINALS' destruction system, for pathing, base fortification, traps, and structure collapse.

3. Map & Win Condition:

   • Map: Void-based multi-island map (fall = instant death), with initial anchor points for building.
   • Win Condition: Be the last team standing by destroying all enemy cores and eliminating their players.

Why This Works:
Leverages THE FINALS' existing strengths while adding a replayable, strategic mode with infinite build creativity. Each class has a clear, independent role with unique fun, no filler roles. Massive potential to bring back lapsed players and extend the game's lifecycle.

[spring plank]

Remove winch and buff the dagger as it was before FFS.

[orchid holly]

you should challenge your or GPTs position and ask how you can overcome dash. why it is considered predictable in distance & expected. why you shouldn’t shoot at the body as they dash but where the body will be.

try solving the problem from the end that is currently in your control. you can post diff suggestions but you are capable of solving it.

ai is a useful tool but it doesn’t play the game. you should ask it why it thinks winch is okay lol

[uneven mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/friggin-packet-yo-gif-9427047511382897168

[nova carbon]

Anyone having trouble loading in games rn?

[white elbow]

when bro said each dash gives u 50hp I stopped reading.

balancing dash is absolutely a numbers game and I think the change they made(or even +1s more) makes it MUCH more of a resource now that it's not reliably up all the time, similar to demats current state.

[limber orchid]

Embark I fucking hate you. You’re not worth shit to me genuinely. You guys can’t fix a fucking thing fr. Load me in a game of ranked with NO teammate? Sounds fucking perfect shitbark. Fuck you and fuck your games. You guys are genuinely a shit development. Fuck you.

[plush robin]

they don't care about you btw

[brisk garden]

are you aware that holding a riot shield and plenty of carriables usually blocks shockwave projectiles?

[slim glen]

ive seen enough. Lets nerf heavy

[mental whale]

Give heavy the grappling hook

[paper mauve]

I approve of this message

[restive isle]

Let me put the H+ Infuser into my mouth and pull the trigger

[wide creek]

Fuck you useless ass devs

REMOVE

THE

FUCKING

WINCH

[gritty jetty]

i like that the only way to counter winch is to not go anywhere near the heavy and dash away as soon as you enter the heavys field of view but sure nerf dash and demat instead

[sly schooner]

Add back head 2 head

[shrewd dirge]

hey when the f u c k are you guys gonna fix ranked? why am i queuing with gold team mates against full stacked ruby teams

[minor star]

Serious feedback on Sword

I played Sword for about 1000h (hit rank 90 with it before) and a few things get lost in the heated "Sword is overpowered/unplayable" discussion.

First of all both sides need to be understood where they are coming from.

Yes in a casual lobby where people don't hit the important shots a Sword that is just running around and left clicking people to death seems absurd, overpowered and has little to do with skill expression.

The Problem is as soon as you cross the line of people investing enough time to hit even just a moderate amount of their shots left clicks become less and less viable and you have to learn combos and movement tricks to minimize the damage you take while maximizing the damage output. That's where the sword lunge comes in. Lunging is the part where skill expression shows with movement, spacial awareness and positioning. With reducing the damage AND introducing a rotation clamp the lunge becomes really clunky to use and less effective than the simpler M1 spamm.

So what can Embark do to fix the issue for both sides ? Put the focus of the weapon back on the lunge to reduce frustrating scenarios.

Second Problem, lunging through an entire team and dealing massive damage with very little counterplay should not be a thing. It is very frustrating to play against and extremely situational. It should be like other melee weapons. Left clicking less damage but can multihit and the "special attack" single target but is special in some way. Hammer has a single target high damage and destruction. Sword should have single target damage on the lunge but high mobility.

The rotational clamp itself got introduced to get rid of people 360° rotating through an entire team for a huge hurtbox and is without multihits therefore redundant. The server sided calculation of it has been bugged ever since it got introduced but has never been adressed. In the current season flicking the lunge will still yank back your entire camera and make accurate aiming impossible.

I intentionally didn't talk about hit registration because it haunts the game as a whole and has only gotten worse in the beginning of season 10 but of course it increases the frustration for alot of people. Hit detection, desyncs and server performance in general should be a heavy focus for you because it is very frustrating and from experience playing with alot of different people a big reason people ragequit or in general leave the game. Like all other bugs it should not be a reason to increase/decrease the weapons power and should rather be fixed.

Changes

M1 Damage 88 -> 74 (one more left click for each class)

Lunge Multihits -> removed
Lunge Damage 120 -> 140 (without multihits and less left click damage you need the combo breakpoint of 136 to have a fighting chance)
Lunge rotational clamp -> removed

Other Feedback

Ranked needs one less round. The current playerbase can't sustain proper matchmaking with 24 player lobbies. Cutting it in half with 12 player lobbies and 2 rounds for everyone so even the "losing teams" play for 3rd place would not only help with players being on similar skill levels but also relieve frustration for the casual playerbase from losing rs in 15 mins but gaining the same amount in 45 mins.

Small QOL Updates You have so many good features that would be little work for you but would impact the community positively and fill the content breaks. One example would be releasing the collected data about weapons etc. as an api just like for example "op.gg" or "lolalytics" from League of Legends. Collab with the talented people in your community that already built sites like the leaderboard/bans/rename tracker. Other ones would be changing the weapon stats to numbers instead of a vague bar so it's more readable, adding assists to the profile or having a simple match history that locally saves the stats of the last 10 games or so.

[ripe herald]

Nerf winch, nerf controller, buff demat

[scarlet pilot]

basicly reallity of all online pvp games👌

[main ice]

Game definitely needs more advanced stats. It's mind boggling that you can't see something basic like assists in your career stats

[trail burrow]

name of the game is if its fun for you it aint for the other team

[topaz jungle]

Dear Embark, please do something to make spawns a little…less predictable. Edit: a few other notes…

Please make the dagger a little more viable…with all these sharpshooters and spray-and-prayers, we could use a bit more mobility. An alternative would be turning down auto-aim just a bit for controller players….also, I’m pretty sure a lot of auto players have adopted ads tech/an exploit that weighs a lot of conventional fights in their favor. Also, could ya’ll reign in distance visibility of opponent teams…feels like everyone is lit up like a Christmas tree from many yards away.

[tawny oak]

FIx the registration in this game. Start of S10 was amazing and now its turning to shit, always happens like this, stop touching the servers, every time you touch the stuff it gets worse, PLEASE FIX THE CROSSPLAY SERVERS!

[twin helm]

double digit rs gain is so fucking dumb

[upper vortex]

third week of the season, reporting at least one person nearly every game
not a single "thank you for reporting" inbox 🙄

[sterile canopy]

It’s an elo system. That is a correct gain for that scenario. What is the alternative?

[karmic crypt]

Turret needs more for real viability. I always find it really easy to counter and is only really useful if it's behind a team in a fight and if there is multiple. I have four ideas to make it more viable. One is boring and the other three are more interesting or really fun. The boring one is decrease the activation timer so it can be in a battle sooner. The first interesting one is give it a temporary shield while it activates. Though annoying I don't think it would be unfair. Plus I think there can be some interesting tech with that. The next interesting and first fun one is giving the turret mobility like RC wheels (this would also imply that you can RC the turret which is another idea that seems really fun and I would like to see). The last idea I had was blatantly stealing from Team Fortress 2. Either have an upgradeable turret or at the very least give the turret a mini RPG that can be used sparingly every odd amount of seconds. I think an upgradeable turret is really fun and adds more gameplay to your specialization; although I completely understand if it might become super broken, but I think if you balance things right it can be done. Just spit balling though. Just would like to see the turret be useful for when it's on my team comp and I want it to be more of a threat.

This also gave me more ideas like a drone specialization. I think a drone would fit really well in the game. I don't know where exactly to put it though. I think light or medium would be best but since medium already has the turret and four specials already then probably the light. In which case I think that being able to stand on it or attach things to it would be interesting. Apparently people have been asking for a jet pack for light and this could be it. The idea needs some tweaks. Doing this ideas raw would just be nuts.

[solemn badger]

I use the cl-40 and only useing that got to diamond with it the wepon lacks any ttk on other M & H (this is fine btw)

( keep in mind the only wepon the cl-40 will have a better ttk is when fighting a pike when in a MVM match up)

But if u want to reward more direct shots increase the velocity of the shots and maybe make the cycle animation faster i am fine with less splash damage but plz then make it more in line with what u have said

Dev Note: The CL-40’s effectiveness is not great compared to many other Medium weapons. We know facing the CL is frustrating for some players, so we want to be careful with how much we buff it, but these changes are needed to increase its viability. The aim is to incentivize more direct hits with the CL-40, rather than less accurate splash damage shots.

[mortal owl]

21st time asking for more loadout slots insted of outfit slots

[mild gull]

How to correctly balance the 93R (its current TTK is awful)

The 93R's current TTK is even worse than it was pre-S5 and in my honest opinion it is subpar versus other light class options (like the ARN, the XP-54, the V9S and the LH1).
This weapon gets out-damaged in most cases by the FAMAS (across all classes), a similar 3-round burst weapon with 4 more rounds in the magazine present in the medium class, which has 100 more HP.
In my opinion it doesn't make sense that the light class burst weapon has... less DPS potential than the medium class burst weapon?

Proposed 93R changes:
Damage: 24** (same)**
Burst delay: 0,275s > 0,23s

This change will result in the following TTKs (Time-to-kill):

Body:
light: 0,81s -> ** 0,72s** (7 shots) (does NOT 2 burst lights with body shots only)
medium: 1.28s -> 1,14s (11 shots)
heavy: 1.74s -> 1,56s (15 shots)

Head:
light: 0.47s -> 0,42s (5 shots)
medium: 0.81s -> 0,72s (7 shots)
heavy: 1.22s -> 1,08s (10 shots)

Damage drop-off minimum range: 30m ->** 27m**
Damage drop-off maximum range: 37.5m ->** 34.5m**
Damage Dropoff Modifier @ Max Range: 50%** (it stays the same)**

These changes will make the weapon solid while not making it overpowered; for comparison, the ARN, a weapon with effectively a 60 round magazine, more range, and fully automatic has TTKs that are on average 10% faster than the 93R. This makes it effectively a completely superior option while being easier to use and way more forgiving. Missing a burst on the 93R means you are extremely penalised in your killing potential. This isn't the case for the ARN.

With these changes, the 93R will not 2 burst lights with body shots only, which was the product of an oversimplified "nuclear" buff made in Season 5.
This proposal will also make the 93R less capable to poke at long range due to lower minimum and maximum drop-off ranges, leaving that task to options such as the ARN and the LH1 (preserves the weapon niche).

[real oak]

suggestion: give the M60 and lewis gun the ability to use their bipod
my idea is that they could be deployed on a suitable object / prop (a box for example, or just the floor somehow) using a keybind or something, and the guns would get heavy decreases in recoil and m a y b e better damage drop off at range for the exchange of not being able to move as well as being limited to a 45 degree view
nothing too big, just a small add in utility for the 2 LMGs

[gritty tangle]

Bring back head2head quick cash is shit

[daring ingot]

DAY 18 of asking for Head2Head to be added back

[civic flax]

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1491720008034947192
https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1491720374730096663

[spring plank]

REMOVE

WINCH

FFS

AND

BUFF

DAGGER as it was before

[modern grail]

Day 2 of asking them to fix matchmaking:

PLEASE FIX MATCHMAKING 😭🙏

[lapis pelican]

Im glad they arent listening to you😂 I have that gadget lvl1 yet I dont want it to get removed

[gritty jetty]

buff pyro grenade. in its current state its a complete throw pick. you're only widening the gap between solo queuers and 3 stacks since every player in gold and below is running this shit

the same could be said for turret, gas grenade, frag grenade, flashbang, and smoke grenade. these gadgets are half the reason solo queuing (until mid plat) is completely miserable

[hoary rapids]

what is your guys' favourite bundle? (thats not a dlc) i wanna be put on some heat

[mild wave]

Where is my plain white shirt embark?

[dark niche]

+1 all these + thermal bore, breach drill, aps, & explosive mine all need buffs imo

[young hatch]

The matchmaking is still horrendous.

Solo queue I only get put against pre made 3 stacks.

I go into own 3 stack, I only play solo queue players.

I want to jump on for a few casual games, which is solo queue. Even peak times it will take 5x longer than time listed, just so it puts me against 3 stacks. When I play in a pre made, the queue times are significantly shorter.

[wispy plank]

What's with all the "false ban" reddit posts? I've seen like 10 now. Does anyone have actual insight into this?

[rotund wraith]

they said smtg in game got banned for long time and now they want to get unbanned faster

[sterile canopy]

not a good channel to ask questions in, but many players speculate that AnyBrain is prone to false positives to an undesirable degree.

[fervent shuttle]

Can we please get a silver recolor of the call the clock watch , or any regular looking watch

[quasi ferry]

Is Embark open to considering ZA servers for the game?

[safe ravine]

I've been queeing now for ranked with my friends for 15min. I actually have no problem with longer Q times for better quality of matches, but can we please atleast get a social hub to chill in, in the meantime. Or allow atleast to be in the practice range? It would make the wait way less painful.

I'll use this post to ask for a club's homebase, somewhere to chill on and test 1v1, or flex skins/emotes... something like the warfrane's dojo would be really nice... With parkour challenges and customizable club housing.

Also another thing which would be nice is to be able to change the colors of the ennemy teams, so that it feels fresh and not always same colors. (But have a off-toggle button for that option when u are in ranked, to communicate better)

[tribal prism]

teamup-ed players should be shown in every game mode instead of point break only

[empty needle]

4 games in a row i get spawned into already running absolutley lost point break games, give me a fresh fucking game for the love of god

[crisp heart]

please add a hud safezone. hud position "centered" from arc raiders does exactly what i need. please make the hud in 16:9 area for ultrawide monitors. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE ive been asking you since open beta for this. please

[vital olive]

Please add a stat for coins used in Point Break

[waxen thicket]

Some great ideas indeed, especially the RC and Drone specs. I'd add that they could also add 2 mini-turrets instead of just 1, with half damage, health and cooldown. So that more grounds could be covered as well as each other's blind spots, and reducing downtime for when a turret gets knocked out.

Also agree with @autumn wagon and @cursive urchin 's suggestions regarding BFR and Dash, respectively. Glad to see some actual balance changes being suggested here. Usually people just spam copypaste dog-tier ideas every 6 hours or just cry nerfs.

[karmic crypt]

Ooh, yeah that's also a really good idea. A friend of mine also suggested that the turret explodes upon destruction and causes half of what RPG does in terms of damage (55) and env. damage (~1000). That way it discourages destroying it with melee and cause more chaos and destruction. Apply this to the mini turret idea then it be around 28 damage and ~500 env. damage.

[alpine pebble]

fix you fking servers

[errant cosmos]

I wish the matchmaking was just ping. We would be put against every level so there is any potential combination of people.
If I'm better than 70% I wish I felt that.

If people are like me, when I played against friends less skilled I lower my level and or nerf myself. I want fun and destroying them every match gets boring for me and frustrating for the other.

If the matchmaking was just ping, i think it will incentive people to find different kind of fun and so create different kind of lobbys. Skillbased incentivise/reward skill. Ping incentivise/reward whatever the player base do with the game.

[obtuse phoenix]

Ban light from the game
Ban sword
Ban anyone who mains riotshield or dual blades

[visual bronze]

HEY can we add a banning system for maps before a game starts so we can rise up as a community and soft remove kyoto from ever being chosen pwetty pwease 👉 👈

[glossy marlin]

First feedback ever:
I have a genuine wonder about the MVP system.

I understand not over prioritizing combat score because you want to encorage more than just fragging for MVP players. And at the end of the day, it doesnt really matter,,

BUT..
I feel as though there should be a point when fragging does equate to MVP.
This game I played sniper in Point Break:

• Went 26E, 4A, 3D.
• 19.5k combat score, 10,000 above every other player in the game.
• 1.2k support score, on par with average in the game.

Sniper is a role that basically cannot get objective score if you are doing well (if they can never reach the point.. then you never interrupt or recapture it.)

I was constantly throwing sonar grenades, so as the role you get some support score.

But, I didnt get any MVP this round. Not 1st, 2nd, or 3rd.
So it just feels like I am punished for doing well on the class.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3706222861

[fleet quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009830578545246213/1282716394441412769/mIOsONj.gif

[exotic tangle]

delete kioto

[noble bramble]

get rid of grenade launcher and skill-less sword spam please. It's not that they're hard to counter, its that having every single lobby be full of GL spam and swords makes for insanely boring and frustrating matches. Truly considering uninstalling the game because it is so unfun to play against

[fleet summit]

What’s with the lack of sounds with footsteps, it’s no way I should have on headphones and not be able to hear someone

[short cipher]

Bring back head2head

[split osprey]

No, you're punished for prioritizing kills over the obj

[limpid orchid]

👉 https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/s/wvZRwnT4nw

** Hot take: Data Reshaper players shouldnt be forced to memorize barrel order **

The Data Reshaper needs a QoL feature to show in real time what the prop will turn into. Just a tooltip above the prop would enough.

Its currently the only gadget that you must memorize a diagram outside of the game to use it to its full potential. The order by itself its not that hard to memorize, but feels uncessarly clumsy at high stakes situation.

Also, its probably the most noob unfriendly gadget in the game right now.

And yes, Im aware that in practice 2/3 of the Data Reshaper value comes from countering enemy gadgets. But reshaping barrels still useful and its a core part of the gadget identity, and thus deserve to not be cumbersome to use.

[fierce patio]

Remove demat delay and uhh ya we good

[weary pine]

Remove Sword! I know you want to!

Why are there LOADS of cheaters all of the sudden?! Update the anticheat please!

[sharp plank]

a visual for defib sickness could be good, similar to being glitched

also another tac reload anim for the famas would be fire

[thorn gulch]

perfect

[balmy birch]

Add UMP smg to H
Nerf SR-84 in melee maybe take off headshot without scope idk, gun too strong at Any range.

[torn moon]

short lil bump since I postet this on a sunday last time 💀

the new feature (ability is ready / not ready) doesnt work on the healbeam :3

also told someone ingame thats in the embark club named turtle (cant find him to ping :c (lucky him))

[uncut hedge]

make ranked 3v3 only, this gfame is 0 competitive, third party is not fun and boring

[cursive plank]

so i noticed the inside of the L.E.Demon has nothing.

[vale stream]

i would genuinely love to have CNS back as a pickable sponsor

[pseudo warren]

Do something with false bans embark

[pseudo hawk]

Please fix the bugged invis, its been almost 4 weeks of people abusing it

[celest chasm]

Can we see decaying cashboxes with more money, thus encouraging a runner to grab it and go. Liiiiioke 15k bottom, 30K boxes and it drops 100$ every 2 seconds

Can we also get a 2 sec pocket dimension gadget for medium

Also, an even more elegant solution for protanopia settings would be to make Orange and pink coordinate with normal settings, and make the only one that's different, purple, the yellow team for protanopia, thank you

[placid narwhal]

Absolutely love this game and have been playing since the beginning, however most things in the game right now feel a bit unattainable. In the ranked tournament style, a 7th/8th place finish pretty much negates a 2nd place finish. A 5th/6th place pretty much negates a 3rd place finish. And the only time you feel like you’re “profiting” rank score is when you win the entire tournament. Even then, you go up about 1,000 points, and it takes 10,000 just to get out of Bronze. Let alone grinding through Silver/Gold/Platinum. Another thing is the sponsorship rewards. You get between 1,000 and 1,500 fans per game, and just to get the gun skin that’s halfway through the ladder it takes about 100,000. I’ll continue to play this game because it’s just so fun, has a great TTK and seems pretty balanced. I just wish I wasn’t ELO stuck even though I make deep tournament runs almost every game.

[crude current]

I think the china lake nerfs are too much and make the weapon practically useless...
the self damage is too much and basically makes it useless against any lights that get in your face.
the splash damage is basically non existent.

[north ore]

I feel like the ks-23 should be reverted back to a pure projectile weapon. As it is currently it feels inconsistent, and it's lost its identity/uniqueness. It might need to be buffed in other ways to make up for it going back to being a pure projectile weapon (no bloom/perfect accuracy perhaps), but even if it didn't receive any buffs I still think it becoming more consistent again would make up for it.

[jagged cedar]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Embark see SirYellowJackets video about the melee rework for next season, it will simply not be a worthy update without these ideas in mind

[cursive urchin]

Rather than showing the platform on the scoreboard, replace those icons with input method indicators. For example, the Steam icon does not clearly convey whether a player is using a controller or mouse and keyboard. Games like Call of Duty, for instance, use distinct controller and mouse icons to clearly represent each player's input method.

[ionic gorge]

server hs

[golden badger]

Lost game because of servers give me my RS BACK

[late prairie]

Bring Head2Head back

[proven crown]

Unable to connect to server over and over, so I disconnect to re-search . Now my fkin account is restricted for an undisclosed time? HELLO

[polar oxide]

cant connect to the serv and lauch game am i the only one ?

[prisma inlet]

Classic server time out - time to lose some rs 💪

[lethal mortar]

Same

[keen lily]

fix the servers

[delicate wren]

SAME

[nova carbon]

same

[little lark]

i lost 1 billion rs please refund

[naive pier]

fix the GODdAM servers

ADD LAG INFO i know i am 100+ but help me fix it

[sinful finch]

seems like the servers are buggin

[snow heart]

Are the servers down? I can’t connect to any game mode. I also had to leave a Cashout match because I couldn’t connect, so now I’ll be in timeout. Tried to reconnect three or four times. Did the same thing with a TDM search.

[empty zodiac]

they did it. they are finally closed the game. no more sword lights, no more pocket-mercy meds, no more hooks behind the wall.

[wide creek]

Heavy main asshole

[muted plaza]

keep banning people and giving no reason + giving copy pasted responses in support 😂

[warped meteor]

Bring back Head 2 Head

Also add a 1 round cashout mode that'd be neat.

[mortal owl]

22nt time aasking for more loadout slots insted of outfit slots

[weak cosmos]

the buff to the RPG was not needed, reduce the health of Goo to the RPG was need to increasing its damages lets it easily finish off any classes.

[primal crow]

Why in the world would i be restricted for leaving when both my teamates had left me to die and disconnected?

[tawny oak]

Fix the daggers backstab bs or remove it from the game, there is NO reason for players to hit the backstab from 10m away doing bs ass dash exploits causing them to have time to escape while the hit is being processed. if you cant fix the melee and its problems, just remove the weapon from the game,

[patent mountain]

add mmr like from hunt showdown its bullshit to fight the best player ive ever seen while having the worst teammates ive ever seen

[hexed frigate]

Put more nama tama stuff in the game (not skins, im talking about precense in the show) 🥸

[topaz jungle]

…what I really want other than that dagger stuff is some new holtow gear

[autumn wagon]

revert bfr fire rate. buff ads speed a lil bit. gun feels too clunky.

[hazy shore]

nerf the no thinking m11, it takes no skill at all

[quick sail]

Bring back H2H pls

[lunar juniper]

nerf the m11 to the ground and also fix the gawddamn servers

[lunar vault]

Fix matchmaking

[spare pagoda]

No, I'm gonna wait until the end of the match to report a hacker, show me the list of players after a quit a match, holy heck

And also fix the the matchmaking, you guys cannot be giving me low level players against a full team of PRE MADE sweats,that's absurd af

[modern grail]

Another reminder to fix your matchmaking, and give us options to opt out of games already started, I don't want to join a game that is already finished and instantly lose

[icy steeple]

BOW ANIMATIONS PLEASE EMBARK I LOVE YOU

[shrewd ferry]

Smurfs ruined this game

[clever crescent]

day 8 of asking for a paris map till i get a baguette sword skin, a paris map, or both

[nocturne badger]

can you make that in fkn bronze you win point EVERY F TIME when you win at least one round???? Its so stupid i can't imagine why you are doing it, playin 20 minutes and more for F nothing with monkeys

[karmic crypt]

Agree with this. QOL for DR would be really nice. While the argument can be made that memorizing it is part of the skill ceiling, it's hard to memorize it if 1. you don't know if there is a cycle when starting out (I didn't even know until now; just speculated) and 2. it's hard to memorize if you don't have a constant in-game "flash card" to allow you to memorize the cycle as another language essentially; don't even have to think about it. I also think it should have a third charge, and if it's a problem in certain game modes then just make it so it's different in those game modes. You already make it so that you can't use defibs in TDM.

Speaking of fine tuning game modes: add more customization to Private Matches. I want to be able to customize whether there are trophies/how quick respawn times are/max respawn time as well as scoring rules, whether there are cashboxes, etc, etc. I just think there is a lot of fun to be had with PMs, just let me have more fun with it.

@fierce patio along with others have said the same thing and I agree. Demat delay, at least with how long it is right now, is extremely annoying and hard to use when running into a team close quarters and by the time you get the demat out, half your health is gone, if that.

@sharp plank I believe is saying like an external visual maybe for defib sick? Maybe fun little sick "bubble" effect that are around the player during that time that shrink and disappear as it runs out. The "bubbles" being the cubic pixels when defib is used. I don't know if opp teams should be able to see this though.

And to confirm what @torn moon is saying, yes it doesn't work on heal beam. As someone who likes running support in team comps that allow for it (and someone who is, in my opinion, a really good support), I want to be an even better support by having full ability to bring critical comms. Also add normal audio and visual cues for when special is ready after overheat. Good QOL.

[versed cloud]

Have the block player button work in such a way that it actually makes it to where you don't requeue with that player in social game modes like quick cash.

[prime flax]

servers need to be consistent way to often they crash

[abstract coyote]

Heavy with a healing emitter shouldn’t be allowed as the heavy was designed for defense with that item they become a heavy plus medium build. Completely broken. Also bring back head to head.

[crisp heart]

why does it feel like once you start winning a few games you get shoved face first down a meat grinder into matches with some of the worst team balancing you have ever seen?

[tepid summit]

enable clipping on all cosmetics

[deft fossil]

.

[hearty bough]

Rework melee next season!

[viral tinsel]

All Cashout modes or at least Ranked needs to force teams to have 1 of each contestant, to prevent stacking, and create a fair playing field. ||Shitters will say otherwise because its beneficial for them||

[sharp plank]

I meant a screen effect since I'd be paying more attention to my surroundings and less to the little icons in the corner, though an external effect could be good too

[hoary gate]

Bro embark y’all need to get it together with these servers. Had a server kick out half the lobby, me included, and I come back to finish out the game. Games over and I still get a 10 minute matchmaking ban. At least fix the bans if your servers are going to be garbage

[errant cosmos]

Played point break tonight. I'm a casual player.

Jesus christ... the matchmaking is a nightmare....

Feels like the fun of the game was locked behind it.

Nice...

Oh and yeah it was a mosquito feat tonight. How many of you play light whatever the context, jesus...

[novel folio]

✅

[sonic arrow]

Saved

Anyways

[lilac dome]

Enemy shockwaves should be the team's colour

[nova carbon]

Anyone game crashing or can’t load back in recently?

[hushed cape]

True true i forgot about the gadget balancing, but im hopeful since embark has been slowly going in the right direction loll

[placid narwhal]

Here’s a bug I’ve been having - When I use the Heal Beam as a medium and then switch back to my Model 18, it automatically fires a shot into the ground. Not sure if it happens with every gun, but it’s pretty annoying with a shotgun that has limited ammunition and a cooldown between shots.

[frigid citrus]

I've had that with the cerb too

[frozen pelican]

I am once again asking Embark to add a way to pull up the scoreboard from your previous game after you've exitted it the first time

[sonic spoke]

Server are embarrassing

[cyan nacelle]

Would be awesome if they included that in a full in depth lifetime stats screen

[midnight hornet]

😤After about 10 seasons of pain as a light main I finally send my frustrations to u devs starting with the fact as a small body everything hurts n im tired of if secondly if I go against another team of freaking mediums and heavy with cl and nade launcher im gonna lose my mind y give them that much health and all them op abilities for them to just all hold hands with cl and nade launchers and lastly finals wise I left this game during s6 when yall reworked "thermal vision" (useless rework btw) y tf is it s10 and yall still working on it what could yall possibly be doing if I gotta keep dealing with other light builds with cloaking and vanishing invisible sitting inna corner scared shitless till yo back turned i swear imma jump off a bridge it's no reason u rework thermal before u reworked vanishing or cloak it's been 4 seasons WHAT R U POSSIBLY DOING TO THE DAMN THERMAL VISION dont say it's op cause all it was was just a counter to the sakuras that wanted to sit invisible crouched inna corner I hope I dont have to deal with that next season furthermore yall say yall made the drones smarter in arc raiders and I beg to differ y is it I go hit an exit hatch with no drones around and I go hide inna bush y tf are they Goin to that bush like they seen me run over there I swear to god yall made the smartest most dumbest drones I've ever seen yall boutta make me go back to my ways 😮‍💨

[keen ridge]

un nerf dash cd, grapple hook should work like titanfall where the charge use is gradual instead of instant depletion, meaning early cancels still leave you with some charge for extra tiny grapple adjustments (skill expression unlocked)

[frozen needle]

season 10 fantasy league is such a smart addition — makes watching ranked play actually engaging when you've got picks on the line. update 10.1.0 dropped april 2 with some clean new cosmetics. this game keeps evolving in ways that feel meaningful rather than just padding the battlepass.

[icy steeple]

So the scoreboard system is broken or support score needs to be toned down. It should be all of your points added. I know its cosmetic but im not dropping 34-6 with the bow not to be on the front. especially not losing to another bow player

[daring ingot]

DAY 19 of asking for Head2Head to be added back

[west skiff]

BRING BACK HEAD2HEAD

[spark crown]

fix the servers the input delay is unbearable and so unresponsive

and can we please fix the cheating in asia. ranked is unplayable all the win traders and the hackers are a cancer killing the region

[leaden hearth]

Interrupting reload by shooting should be a thing if not empty

[normal reef]

#H2HforRanked

[lunar vault]

Punish leaving harder to stop revolving door lobbies where ppl load in die and leave, thanks (Players ruin this game more than any balancing the devs could ever make)

[quick coyote]

✅✅✅✅✅✅✅✅

[lost merlin]

75 multibucks instead of 100 because you progressed into the battlepass further should be a crime... 😭

[fleet socket]

Is a 1575 return not good enough when it cost 1150?

[subtle violet]

Please fix the lag bug! and is it OCE only or a global issue? At least with bad server performance you can decide to come back later, with this you can not predict which game will be laggy. I know you are losing precious players over this. I just hope I will not be one of them :/

[dense ocean]

day 50 asking for a free moolah peluche

[glass fulcrum]

still no nama tama plush restock in the store 😪

[echo bronze]

Suggestion: A headshot killfeed icon for precision weapons, similar to the dagger backstab icon.

[naive fiber]

cut down the time it takes to respawn

[tawny oak]

check the servers, games been going down due to bad servers STILL being up and functioning, please check the servers or do some maintenance, clearly noticable damage issues/registration issues within the game, stop the cosmetics and actually develop your network team to do their job and fix the game

[silver laurel]

i see no issue at all with matchmaking. everything is good. (except for that maybe one of them has almost as much rs as our team combined)

[hollow badger]

How is this fair

[karmic crypt]

@lost merlin
1,150 MB ≈ 11.50 USD (Not taking into account deals)
You get back 1,575 MB (15.75 USD) through the BP.
So you get a 425 MB (4.25 USD) return (or a 26.98% return).

The problem is people only think in the short term. They don't save. I save and make sure to have enough for the next BP. The devs are awesome enough to have almost every cosmetic they release to the store stay there forever (trust me, I have whole spreadsheet for it; counted 1,700+ items and I'm still not done) and is always accessible (exceptions being Limited Time cosmetics).

It's not hard. It's just math and human will.

P.S. Embark, please stop giving different bundles the same exact name. It's really annoying on my spreadsheet 😭

[mild gull]

How to correctly balance the 93R (its current TTK is awful)

The 93R's current TTK is even worse than it was pre-S5 and in my honest opinion it is subpar versus other light class options (like the ARN, the XP-54, the V9S and the LH1).
This weapon gets out-damaged in most cases by the FAMAS (across all classes), a similar 3-round burst weapon with 4 more rounds in the magazine present in the medium class, which has 100 more HP.
In my opinion it doesn't make sense that the light class burst weapon has... less DPS potential than the medium class burst weapon?

Proposed 93R changes:
Damage: 24** (same)**
Burst delay: 0,275s > 0,23s

This change will result in the following TTKs (Time-to-kill):

Body:
light: 0,81s -> ** 0,72s** (7 shots) (does NOT 2 burst lights with body shots only)
medium: 1.28s -> 1,14s (11 shots)
heavy: 1.74s -> 1,56s (15 shots)

Head:
light: 0.47s -> 0,42s (5 shots)
medium: 0.81s -> 0,72s (7 shots)
heavy: 1.22s -> 1,08s (10 shots)

Damage drop-off minimum range: 30m ->** 27m**
Damage drop-off maximum range: 37.5m ->** 34.5m**
Damage Dropoff Modifier @ Max Range: 50%** (it stays the same)**

These changes will make the weapon solid while not making it overpowered; for comparison, the ARN, a weapon with effectively a 60 round magazine, more range, and fully automatic has TTKs that are on average 10% faster than the 93R. This makes it effectively a completely superior option while being easier to use and way more forgiving. Missing a burst on the 93R means you are extremely penalised in your killing potential. This isn't the case for the ARN.

With these changes, the 93R will not 2 burst lights with body shots only, which was the product of an oversimplified "nuclear" buff made in Season 5.
This proposal will also make the 93R less capable to poke at long range due to lower minimum and maximum drop-off ranges, leaving that task to options such as the ARN and the LH1 (preserves the weapon niche).

[maiden anchor]

It's always a light class with 30+ kills, they need to nerf this class urgently.

[weary pine]

Nerf M11 already. Its getting old and boring. Severely overtuned!

And update your anticheat already!

[twin helm]

isnt this the best thing ever

[minor star]

Serious feedback on Sword

I played Sword for about 1000h (hit rank 90 with it before) and a few things get lost in the heated "Sword is overpowered/unplayable" discussion.

First of all both sides need to be understood where they are coming from.

Yes in a casual lobby where people don't hit the important shots a Sword that is just running around and left clicking people to death seems absurd, overpowered and has little to do with skill expression.

The Problem is as soon as you cross the line of people investing enough time to hit even just a moderate amount of their shots left clicks become less and less viable and you have to learn combos and movement tricks to minimize the damage you take while maximizing the damage output. That's where the sword lunge comes in. Lunging is the part where skill expression shows with movement, spacial awareness and positioning. With reducing the damage AND introducing a rotation clamp the lunge becomes really clunky to use and less effective than the simpler M1 spamm.

So what can Embark do to fix the issue for both sides ? Put the focus of the weapon back on the lunge to reduce frustrating scenarios.

Second Problem, lunging through an entire team and dealing massive damage with very little counterplay should not be a thing. It is very frustrating to play against and extremely situational. It should be like other melee weapons. Left clicking less damage but can multihit and the "special attack" single target but is special in some way. Hammer has a single target high damage and destruction. Sword should have single target damage on the lunge but high mobility.

The rotational clamp itself got introduced to get rid of people 360° rotating through an entire team for a huge hurtbox and is without multihits therefore redundant. The server sided calculation of it has been bugged ever since it got introduced but has never been adressed. In the current season flicking the lunge will still yank back your entire camera and make accurate aiming impossible.

I intentionally didn't talk about hit registration because it haunts the game as a whole and has only gotten worse in the beginning of season 10 but of course it increases the frustration for alot of people. Hit detection, desyncs and server performance in general should be a heavy focus for you because it is very frustrating and from experience playing with alot of different people a big reason people ragequit or in general leave the game. Like all other bugs it should not be a reason to increase/decrease the weapons power and should rather be fixed.

Changes

M1 Damage 88 -> 74 (one more left click for each class)

Lunge Multihits -> removed
Lunge Damage 120 -> 140 (without multihits and less left click damage you need the combo breakpoint of 136 to have a fighting chance)
Lunge rotational clamp -> removed

Other Feedback

Ranked needs one less round. The current playerbase can't sustain proper matchmaking with 24 player lobbies. Cutting it in half with 12 player lobbies and 2 rounds for everyone so even the "losing teams" play for 3rd place would not only help with players being on similar skill levels but also relieve frustration for the casual playerbase from losing rs in 15 mins but gaining the same amount in 45 mins.

Small QOL Updates You have so many good features that would be little work for you but would impact the community positively and fill the content breaks. One example would be releasing the collected data about weapons etc. as an api just like for example "op.gg" or "lolalytics" from League of Legends. Collab with the talented people in your community that already built sites like the leaderboard/bans/rename tracker. Other ones would be changing the weapon stats to numbers instead of a vague bar so it's more readable, adding assists to the profile or having a simple match history that locally saves the stats of the last 10 games or so.

[primal spoke]

bring back head2head

[prisma sapphire]

club contracts leaderboard when? I just hit 900 and am curious if anyone else is around that amount or higher.

[spice stag]

the ruby dagger doesnt actually render on other peoples screen, not like a gamebreaking issue but i would kinda like my cool awesome skin to be visible to the people im with/fighting 🥹

[honest wing]

can you hurry tf up

[celest chasm]

Let each team ban something in the draft; A gadget and (a weapon or a spec), give us 30 extra seconds in the draft to do so and vote on what. Ranked only.

Also decaying cash boxes to encourage speed, as if a third party wasn't enough incentive.

Lastly as per the usual, everyone in this thread has Oatmeal for brains and is not grounded in reality, if this triggers you hahaha, extra brown sugar.

[mild ocean]

Please add an option in the settings that toggles whether or not auto-mantling occurs. I have died so many times trying to jump around a corner and instead I start mantling onto some random fucking object next to me that freezes me in place and lets the opponent get a free kill.

[brisk yew]

One of the most annoying things right now—I honestly don’t know if players can even read, but when you signal 'do not revive,' so many people do it anyway. Maybe a solution would be to just make it impossible to revive someone if they’ve indicated they don’t want it.

[pseudo warren]

Embark - please go and fix your anti cheat. Renew false bans and investigate the issues properly.

At this point you're stealing money from people - there are houndreds of valid players getting false banned with thousend of euro spent.

[thorny lynx]

It has become an actual comical and hilarious theme with matchmaking. Your player count is sooo incredibly low you can't do a SINGLE THING about it to help the condition of the game. As a player with 2900hrs and level 156... there should BE 100% no reason level 12's are my teammates in ANY form of game. Period. With the removal of H2H you took the SINGULAR "training" mode out of the game. It was absolute 0 brain motion. If ONE single dedicated DEV on your team played the game, they would quickly realize that "quick cash" is where sweats go to frag out... EVERY SINGLE GAME. It is not your learning experience.
But back to the main issue.
Your matchmaking, game overall and seemingly your entire company is in the garbage. But great job on Arc raiders

EDIT: Oh and fix your leaderboards like as of 2 weeks ago OK?

[errant cosmos]

I wish the matchmaking was just ping. We would be put against every level so there is any potential combination of people.
If I'm better than 70% I wish I felt that.

If people are like me, when I played against friends less skilled I lower my level and or nerf myself. I want fun and destroying them every match gets boring for me and frustrating for the other.

If the matchmaking was just ping, i think it will incentive people to find different kind of fun and so create different kind of lobbys. Skillbased incentivise/reward skill. Ping incentivise/reward whatever the player base do with the game.

But don't get me wrong, if sweats are the players base, ping only matchmaking won't fix anything.

[shut wraith]

Damn bro is full of himself

[cinder mason]

So true

[dark niche]

ban weapon & gadget but not specs. 4/11 specs being unavailable every game is crazy, and what happens if every spec on one class is banned?

[tropic sentinel]

READ ENTIRE MESSAGE BEFORE YOU CRY AT ME!

Loot boxes are not a bad idea. I think it would be really cool to have a chance at getting a random mythic skin over having to pay $10 for a throwable plushie skin.

HERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS

Loot boxes should be able to be frequently earned or bought I don't see anything wrong with that. Again I just think it would be cool to have an opportunity to get an expensive skin for less or nothing.

Loot boxes need to be dirt cheap or maybe they implement another form of in game currency that is only earned and not bought similar to renown in R6.

If you completely disagree with me that's totally fine but at least give me reasons why you disagree.

[muted portal]

I would have no issues with this but it seems like it would be a slippery slope,anyway winchclaw ruined heavys weapon balancing,kill the serpent in the garden

[gritty jetty]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExenRhNXplODQ1Y2RneGoxMmdsMjlwdTQxemNsbHh0MHVqMXVlbWF3aCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/qhWQpmujWWArihQYie/giphy.gif

[short cipher]

Bring back head2head

[proud pawn]

YEEEAAA BRING BACK HEAD2HEAD PLS EMBARK!!!

[spark timber]

hell nah they already charge 50 CAD for the ultimate battle pass , squeezing more money for mtx is just insane

[scarlet pilot]

And rework him in to more team play class

[sick basalt]

Hey not sure if this has been brought up before, but on PC, if you join Starlight Hollow (Point Break) in the middle of a match on the defending team. It spawns you in the back of the map on the attackers side in the death zone and you automatically die and start with a negative K/D. Has happened every time I join mid match as defenders.

[sterile plank]

Rather than the Winch, remove the stun it inflicts

[echo quest]

FIX MATCHMAKING LOBBYS AND BAN SOME CHEATERS

[mortal owl]

23rd time asking for more loadout slots insted of outfit slots

[shrewd ferry]

Grbage matchmaking, other teams gets sweats, i get noobs

[dusty igloo]

Experimental idea:
Right now a MAJOR issue that is actually plaguing cashout, is how easy it is to just winch a cashout out into the open and play from there. This gameplay is incredibly boring.
A rough idea I had, is what if we implement some sort of "point break" area around the cashout? Make it larger of course as that is a pretty big part of the game, but still restrict it.
Like allow a large area of the building, and maybe a few meters (like only 2) all around the actual building.
This would make cashout fights far more fair, and interesting.
Again it is a really experimental idea, kind of a cashout for a weak type of test, but I think it would improve a lot.

[glossy marlin]

My point is though, the as sniper in point break specifically, on defense, if you are winning, that is playing the objective.
If they can never get to the point to cap it, which was the case in this game, that is protecting the objective.

This was a final hold on stage two of starlight hollow. Only one vault left. And I single handedly held off like half the enemy team from ever even getting to the vault.
That is playing the objective

So my point is that its not prioritizing kills over objective, because in that game mode, on defense, your literal only job as sniper is to prioritize kills and get sonar grenades off, and nullify a few people before they ever get to caputuring a vault.

[craggy nova]

increase coin timer for other modes, like start light hallow, etc. new players keep coining. they dont wait for revivies. its bad.

[silk bough]

ive been saying this since season 3. they dont care lmao

[civic flax]

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1491720374730096663
https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1491720008034947192

[late prairie]

Bring back Head2Head please

[manic prairie]

where is skill based matchmaking. im so tired to play with Bobs. seriously this is insane. not to mention often 5x row defending side. before get to be attacker. least as attacker i can effect more by planting. do f´n something. this getting my nerve badly...

[umbral crater]

I have the same three contestants since the start of playing the finals. I'd like to have an option where you can copy i.e. "Medium 1" and work on your new contestant from there. I don't wanna set up another contestant with all expressions, stickers, gun skins etc.

[hearty bough]

You cannot balance off of the casual game modes. Cashout is the core game mode and balancing should focus solely on that - other modes should have modifiers to compensate (ie no sniper in power shift)

[copper robin]

glitch grenade, gateway, and infuser are all meta and are all team based gadgets

[lost python]

Hell yeah, I love gambling, make skins harder and more expensive to get, add new sick and overpowered weapons and lock them behind a luck based paywall. 😋

[floral venture]

I see your point but I personally disagree.

Something I really liked about the finals was the non aggressive micro transactions.

I have noticed that the micro transactions have gotten more aggressive recently with things like the ultimate battle pass, wheels, esports bundles that cost 10 real bucks and give no multi bucks. And the lack of FREE cosmetics with events.

It is frustrating for me to see the game turn to more monetization that's less consumer friendly. It's not as bad as other games don't get me wrong, but crates are just another avenue of monetization

I would say the devs should add skins that you can work towards unlocking either as more level up cosmetics or let you purchase skins for vrs or something of the sort. Adding skins you could purchase with vrs would add another use for a currency that's redundant for high level players without adding additional currency for the player to keep track of.

[versed knot]

With all the feedback about Winch - I think a simple solution should be that Winch brings YOU closer to the enemy instead of the other way around… you’d have to be more cognizant about when to use it because you could be bringing yourself into danger… instead of winching someone else into your team.

[silver warren]

Maybe Scotty and June could have lines based one what weapon a contestant is using? For example if someone is on an elimination streak with a sledgehammer Scotty could say “It looks like a contestant is smashing through the competition with that sledgehammer” or something like that.

[sonic spoke]

Yes

[formal coral]

Game is full of cheaters and smurfs, here I am with 2k hours with more than decent aim, 3k wins and facing player with 200 wins and beaming me with lewis, revo hitting only headshots. I guess skill issue and i need to do more but If the game is that easy to master why aren't there more player ? Only answer smurf and cheats, like sorry Embark but season 12 is probably gonna be the end if you don't fix stuff

[abstract coyote]

Can we all agree that we need a movie of this game like ready player one style, and have the movie called “the world’s greatest game show”! Cmon this would be so sick. bring back head to head! Also remove the stun affect from the winch. That’s all.

[feral hare]

bring back head2head

[tame chasm]

the timing on this is way too stingy to a goofy level make the game less annoying to play please
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009830578545246213/1460603853924995132/I_love_when_I_have_to_rebolt_twice_amazing_work_embark_w_realism.mp4
annoying ass glitch these ghost shots flying all over the map they confuse the hell out of me making me think someone is shooting at me
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009830578545246213/1450664578387284132/the_finals_bullet_tracers_glitch.mp4
stutters and lag since season 8
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183069658086117447/1446897540942266607/lag_spikes_the_finals.mp4
winch no-reg fix it it's been a whole year embark
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009830578545246213/1390243822226898944/FIX_THE_GODDAMN_WICH_EMBARK_FUUUUUUUUCCKKKKKK.mp4
inconsistent gadget delay
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183069658086117447/1463923316942442617/delay_on_gadjets_on_some_servers_the_finals_clip.mp4

[cursive urchin]

The FCAR deals 23 damage at 540 RPM, which is 540 / 60 = 9 bullets per second.

If we assume ~250 ms to register the dash, flick, and reacquire the target, that is 9 * 0.25 = 2.25 bullets effectively lost.

At 23 damage per bullet, that is 23 * 2.25 = ~52 damage avoided, even against perfect aim.

And 250 ms is not just "reaction time" - it includes reaction + flick + aim correction, which is already a high-level assumption. Most players will take longer, meaning the effective HP gained is often even higher.

In practice, the Light often only needs to tank 1-2 bullets before reacting and pressing dash. They mitigate ~50 HP instantly without fully paying that reaction-time tax, because the disengage interrupts the opponent's tracking mid-spray.

So yes, this actually reinforces the original point:

Other specialisations have clear tradeoffs. Dash does not. You can press it three times, effectively gaining ~150 HP while still maintaining offensive pressure.

#👂┇game-feedback message would still get the ~150 effective HP, but you would not be able to consistently deal damage during triple-dash spam, which is where the imbalance comes from.

#👂┇game-feedback message your comment about invisibility, which dash also gets as a gadget, let's assume your ~80 HP estimate is broadly accurate at a high-level, excluding "skill issue" players. That actually strengthens the case for dash having only two charges, effectively providing around ~100 HP. Framing it that way offers another angle for balancing it.

The fact that dash is overwhelmingly chosen over every other specialisation in the game is more than enough reason that it needs a rework.

[tender sail]

Can you please stop the fucking report menu from resetting every time the game goes to a different screen in the background after the match finishes, it's fucking infuriating. Oh, and also fix the cheater issue so I don't have to deal with this bug so often. Thanks!

[crisp heart]

Add orf plushie c4, plushie launcher rpg, and also orf barricades

[white elbow]

you seem to be missing the point, the fcar kills in 7 bullets, so the 9*.25 is effectively irrelevant as that math could be assuming the later 30%(2 bullets) of the second where the light is already dead...

not to mention 250ms might be the average reaction time for humans, but people who play games are measured to have a better average

also at the end of the day you should not be having a problem with dash, it is purely a skill issue that CAN be overcome. People predicting tracer's recall(a 3s position reversal) is what sets you apart from the rest and lets u hit gm/top500 in Overwatch.

Invis players can sit around a corner or in off angles and simply start every fight with an ~80hp advantage that is irrelevant of the victims skill. They trade mobility and map presence for this ability, but an argument could be made that it ignores player skill more than the winch claw even, since you can at least see the heavy and dome/winch/glitch.

[steel jacinth]

Its early in the season but imma still put it down as a lazy wishlist but more helmets and armor pls?🙏
houndskull bascinet?
Gothic sallets? Pls embark, I have money, I know you like money...

[ebon elbow]

As a CL user i can say it's easy to counter us in 1v1. As a light, you have the most dps in the game, why do u expect high hp with that? I need 2 slow shots to kill you, one of which is mostly splash (e.g. low dmg) or bugged (e.g. shoulder direct hit doesn't register, no dmg). Also, stop going alone against whole teams. Play with your team, engage together, or even let your mates engage first, then go and hit.

[real tree]

Sonars are not supposed to be some sort of stun grenades when we are being detected!! Please remove totally the HUD effect when being detected by sonar, detectors and tracker dart: a LITTLE and simple "you are tracked " phrase or symbol + the sound feedback is enough!

And while i'm at it, the damage effect is very annoying too (screen shaking and corruption effect on the edge of the screen). Yes i'm being shot at, but let me enjoy the view while i die or i manage to cook a response.

I love the game, Thanks to all the studio members for theirs hard work and the love put in it. I feel it every season and im super hype for 11 and 12

[timber stag]

revert dagger 🙏

[tepid summit]

TRUKE

[scenic nacelle]

embark me and my buddy was thinking about a new rank on wourld tour. As we all know hitting emerald in wourl tour is super easy and quick and doesnt give us much room to enjoy the grind. And we go to thinking, you guys know that purple amethyst badge you get after reaching around 50k kills, yall should add that as the final rank in wourld tour, gives us more room to grind, more enjoyment and a cool looking skin for our guns

[frank summit]

These 3 haircuts share the same model but the green and purple variants are not visible with the Ivada Digital Lame. Please make more hair compatible and these easy fixes added as well.

[wide creek]

Do not listen to this fool Embark.

You nerf dash any more and you'll effectively destroy light in gold+ gameplay.

"Dash is 150 hp" fuckin dumbass. So many factors unaccounted for. "tank 1-2 bullets" Yeah, and and guess what, lights can get 2 tapped.

Love how you dont account for the time that the light needs to look in the direction they want to dash, dash, and then aim at the person again. At least 0.2-0.3 seconds.

Wtf are you saying every other spec has "tradeoffs"? Fucking how? What tradeoff does winch have? Pulse? Turret? Invis? Goo Gun?

Light is the weakest class right now, especially with dash nerf. Whiny bitches like this are what kills this game.

And stop fucking buffing heavies I swear to fucking god.

[fresh elm]

now this my guys. this is total FACTSSSSSS

[gritty tangle]

Bring back head2head quick cash is shit

[hazy shore]

give light faster base movement speed. the fact dual blades M can out run a dashing light is kinda crazy

[wild galleon]

We have such little legs. My stride is my weakness 😭

[junior estuary]

please delete Light class

[jagged bay]

how is it fair in point break to fight against 2 4 party stacks with one having at least one ruby and high level players 90k kills+ ? and our team has 3 low level players?

[muted plaza]

the amount of dumb shit in this channel is actually crazy

[novel trench]

I’d rather this channel stay as a quarantine for dogshit suggestions and takes than risk it being moderated and having it spill over into other channels.

[idle thorn]

When is the dogshit ass map getting removed?

[weary pine]

Remove Sword
Nerf M11

[maiden anchor]

First time playing Light in ranked, with the M11, I killed everyone and won, the guys even quit lol

[rough finch]

Kyoto in tdm straight up feels like getting teleported to the deepest lava pit in hell

[worthy totem]

hell is colder than kyoto

[velvet finch]

Please remove Sword

[tame lance]

pls make it so we can see preview of player card when selecting our expressions so we dont have to buy them to see what it looks like

[obtuse nymph]

how is this game feedback

[worldly oak]

Absolutely, no weapon in this game should be allowed to two shit without a severe skill check through for instance aiming on the sniper

[drifting cove]

The people who whine about sword haven't been repeatedly lasered by M11

The people who whine about flamethrower haven't been steamrolled by SA1216

The people who whine about sentry guns haven't been insta killed by mine + barrel traps by doors

And above all, the ones who whine about the CL40 were clearly not around for when a better version of the CL40 called the CB01 Repeater reigned over last season

Do us all a favor and leave more meaningful feedback instead of treating this like a subreddit to repeatedly cry on

[lapis anchor]

Bring back head2head for real great gamemode

[limpid lake]

ban / patch the mouse scripts, too many people use them
easy to aim, no recoil, its crazy easy to do it, and ruin the game
(and im not talking about playing competitive, on casual powershift, players use this)

[naive fiber]

nerf swords and dual blades ESPECIALLY katana

[prisma dagger]

give the r 357 more bullets (even 8 is enough) plz

[clever crescent]

day 9 of asking for a paris map till i get a baguette sword skin, a paris map, or both

[main karma]

the main question is does embark actually look at this discord?

[patent mountain]

FIX YOUR NON EXISTENT FUCKING MMR LEVEL 20 TEAMMATES THAT ARE STRAIGHT SHIT AGAINST FUCKING TRIPLE STACKS DIAMONDS

[wicked basin]

i feel like if there was a way to share your skins through codes that would be nice :( why isnt that a thing?

[dusky tinsel]

Can you fix the cash out leaderboard please? Not sure what the point is to even play atm whilst it's broken?

[midnight hornet]

Im glad u said that now when u kill both my heavy with a cl and they couldn't even get u to under half health it's my fault for running alone and goin for a flank cause clearly head on not gon work so what we got to say for that

[fleet summit]

The mechanic of everyone in the game getting disconnected by the server then losing rs when your team can’t reconnect is stupid.

and also how the heck you get disconnected then reconnect, play the game then get banned saying it’s bc u disconnected when it was the server fault, even if you played the whole game out when reconnect, I never thought a situation like this would happen in any competitive game

[ebon elbow]

What? Kill BOTH of your heavy teammates? Do u realize a CL-40 needs almost 3 sec to kill a heavy, then 5 sec reload, and another 3 for the other one? Well, let me tell u, If u can't kill a player who is engaged with your teammates for 11 seconds, then it's not a weapon's fault. Btw why don't u try the CL yourself?

[cyan crane]

goo nade throw time should be different based on which throw you do ex. long throw takes the usual time and a drop throw takes less (because why the fuck would priming a far throw take as long as 1 meter ”push”)

[river smelt]

More slots would be fire. a build for each ability. lock in embark

[paper meadow]

YES YES YES

[hearty bough]

After 10 seasons, the goo grenade really needs to deploy correctly with consistency - the whole random awkward half-height (1 blob tall) wall can lose you a fight easily and happens on roughly 10% of all thrown goo nades

[proven mist]

an r357 with 8 bullets is the repeater, and it does more damage at further ranges too

[elfin plover]

fix false bans

[dull tiger]

way to keep emotes/gestures between contestants

[thorny lynx]

Embark. Your game is trash filled with cheaters and you dont care. You dont care about success, the game being good or the people that play. I only hope the worst Swedish occult curses rain down upon your medival homes

[tawny thorn]

EMBARK WHY DO YOU UNBAN CHEATERS? proof: PIANSIX#0892 was banned in S9 for rage hacking to Ruby but currently climbing in S10 Ranked. WTF is wrong with you

[feral hare]

BRING BACK HEAD 2 HEAD

[cursive harness]

PLEASE ADD AN ALL CHAT

[frigid citrus]

change how mantling works, why am I grabbing a ladder from a meter away, climbing ankle height stairs, climbing barricades instead of jumping in place behind it, etc. or at least a setting to change it

[wary flax]

Revert changes done to controller. How is it possible I can't equip my weapon with the button I've been using for 2 years and if I revert the change YOU made on MY client, I can't steal or revive? Who approved this?

[crisp heart]

genuinely what is wrong with the matchmaking i refuse to believe that it is random or skill based there is no chance, getting a good team in solo queue literally feels like gambling. losing with uncoordinated teams over & over is torture but getting one good team feels SO GOOD. i genuinely think this is gamified or optimized by you

[woeful arch]

[INTERFACE] Please let us send messages to friends who are in the main menu or even in game so we can coordinate plans to play together later or even just apologize for not partying up with them anymore. Communication is lacking right now and it feels rude to leave a party without explanation or have a friend ignore the ability to join us to party.

It feels the game is wrongly flagging friends as being in-game or in a party, just because they haven't left a party before logging off the game. This is way too confusing, please make the UI clearer when it comes to communicating who is ready to party up and who is really not available (inactive/already in party).

[spice zenith]

Remove either the gun sounds or the "bang bang" voiceline from Manual Ballistics for the akimbo. It's too loud with both

[autumn mist]

Top 500 player. Took a break for one season. Placement games 1st seed we win, 2nd seed we win, 3rd seed 3rd place, 8th seed 2nd place by one box in mid to high plat lobbies (30-39k) and I rank 23k. Stop making the game so grindy and rank people accordingly so everyone has fun playing against and with their actuals ranks. I don’t think pro players (not me, just an ex) need a hard reset every season

[brisk garden]

^^^

[undone dagger]

replace the chimera with a gun that isn't something we already have cough cough the pike :/

[west skiff]

BRING BACK HEAD 2 HEAD !!! pls. so i can have fun again

[sweet crescent]

Winch should not stun.

[frozen needle]

season 10 fantasy league theme is genuinely one of the best concepts they've done, the way embark works a theme into gameplay and cosmetics every season is something other shooters should be taking notes on. still the most fun fps out rn

[civic flax]

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1491720374730096663
https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1491720008034947192

[viscid moss]

Let's get the Musical Emotes to sync up when you join someone else while they are having fun with theirs!

[frank holly]

FIX THE FUCKING RED LAG BULLSHIT ALREADY

[dry scroll]

I cant get into a game of cashout

[small estuary]

Fix ranked again they is no reason why I’m going against ruby players as plat 4

[white anchor]

For light class A unique chain revolver with incendiary 🔥 bullets that's fast with hipfire with it's fanning action but slower and accurate when aiming down sights player can have the freedom to choose between two tactics.
Gun has a higher chance to put enemies on fire when using the fanning action or only headshot when aiming down sights.

[young hatch]

Half the QC games I play as a solo queue when I first log in, are games already in progress in which the game is lost. The two other teams have a cash out each, and my team has 0 cash outs and close to 0 kills.

I then close the game, it’s infuriating to think a guaranteed loss as the first game is optimal fun. What’s the point.

[short cipher]

Bring back head2head

[errant cosmos]

I wish the matchmaking was just ping. We would be put against every level so there is any potential combination of people.
If I'm better than 70% I wish I felt that.

If people are like me, when I played against friends less skilled I lower my level and or nerf myself. I want fun and destroying them every match gets boring for me and frustrating for the other.

If the matchmaking was just ping, i think it will incentive people to find different kind of fun and so create different kind of lobbys. Skillbased incentivise/reward skill. Ping incentivise/reward whatever the player base do with the game.

[daring ingot]

DAY 20 of asking for Head2Head to be added back

[indigo quartz]

Can the casual gamemodes sbmm be fixed please? Its not fun when one or two people dominate the entire round. And if there isnt sbmm could we like add it?

[dense ocean]

day 51 asking for a free moolah peluche

[fluid geode]

Since we finally have medieval season, is there any chance we'll get some references to other games?
i.E. Kingdom Comes "Butt Trumped" Sign or "I feel quite hungry!" Voiceline?

[tawny oak]

make dual blades NOT block shots to the feet, what is the point of crouch if the deflect hit box is the entire fucking model? fix that shit

Upgrade your anti cheat, players running console crossplay and having xim/cronus and dma scripts to have wepaons have no recoil and perfect accuracy across all distances. please update your anticheat and perma ban players

[glass pendant]

I hate dash just like any other heavy but i really think making ability feel like shit to use is not the way. Removing one charge would be better imo. Light utility should be buffed as compensation though.

[jaunty topaz]

its been 3 days man leave naghost alone 😭

[hot temple]

Whoever thought of giving the fastest character with dashes the ability to one hit with a melee from behind needs to be fired

[frank junco]

deactivate crossplay before ts becomes a roller script only game (dont fool yourself u cant detected every controller player using titan, xim etc. the game will get fucked like Apex and it dont deserve this.)

[signal shard]

Starlight hollow is fun but in many times, the defenders can spawn camp attackers

Attackers need to be able to spawn without immediately die

[real adder]

Play the hunt cause you tripping

[dim hedge]

console only lobbies are too dead to do that

[main ice]

Please rework the defender Zone for point break on Nozomi. C is a nightmare to attack, when the building is gone and everybody is camping behind the wall in their spawns.

Same for starlight hollow, defenders can spawn camp on A. You spawn at A as an attacked and are literally sitting on the enemies laps.

Add MORE outfit slots

[orchid holly]

i don’t believe you play Light buddy. every nerf you ask for is basically just remove this class please.

the dedicated hate is a shining example of Skill Issue. AI will argue against every point you’ve made btw going thru your history.

if you can’t even articulate your thoughts you probably don’t need to share them.

[scarlet pilot]

++, even tf2 spy compared to finals light - looks more balanced! This class is the reason i fully stopped using heavy and switched to medium dual swords or riot

[viral tinsel]

I thought commies were about fairness? Womp.

[echo radish]

Please fix this biggest piece of dogshit ass rank matchmaking, Do whatever you want but not this, We are having this problem from S4 and Embark you only made it worse by hiding the rank and making seed system, revert this ass shit to S2

[tawny thorn]

EMBARK WHY DO YOU UNBAN CHEATERS? proof: PIANSIX#0892 was banned in S9 for rage hacking to Ruby but currently climbing in S10 Ranked. WTF is wrong with you

[sterile canopy]

I wonder if it would be a good idea to remove unranked cashout and rename ranked cashout to just cashout. I suspect more balanced matches as a result would be more fun for the players of both modes overall, though I'm not sure about that

Or, instead make them both the same queue, except one hides your RS and one shows it to you and you get different rewards from each... oh, that would be cool actually, you could just lie to players about it being unranked by hiding the rank system from them! Which has its own complications too, but that could work well maybe...

[quartz ivy]

Add Bonus Pages to Legacy Battle Passes

[minor star]

Serious feedback on Sword

I played Sword for about 1000h (hit rank 90 with it before) and a few things get lost in the heated "Sword is overpowered/unplayable" discussion.

First of all both sides need to be understood where they are coming from.

Yes in a casual lobby where people don't hit the important shots a Sword that is just running around and left clicking people to death seems absurd, overpowered and has little to do with skill expression.

The Problem is as soon as you cross the line of people investing enough time to hit even just a moderate amount of their shots left clicks become less and less viable and you have to learn combos and movement tricks to minimize the damage you take while maximizing the damage output. That's where the sword lunge comes in. Lunging is the part where skill expression shows with movement, spacial awareness and positioning. With reducing the damage AND introducing a rotation clamp the lunge becomes really clunky to use and less effective than the simpler M1 spamm.

So what can Embark do to fix the issue for both sides ? Put the focus of the weapon back on the lunge to reduce frustrating scenarios.

Second Problem, lunging through an entire team and dealing massive damage with very little counterplay should not be a thing. It is very frustrating to play against and extremely situational. It should be like other melee weapons. Left clicking less damage but can multihit and the "special attack" single target but is special in some way. Hammer has a single target high damage and destruction. Sword should have single target damage on the lunge but high mobility.

The rotational clamp itself got introduced to get rid of people 360° rotating through an entire team for a huge hurtbox and is without multihits therefore redundant. The server sided calculation of it has been bugged ever since it got introduced but has never been adressed. In the current season flicking the lunge will still yank back your entire camera and make accurate aiming impossible.

I intentionally didn't talk about hit registration because it haunts the game as a whole and has only gotten worse in the beginning of season 10 but of course it increases the frustration for alot of people. Hit detection, desyncs and server performance in general should be a heavy focus for you because it is very frustrating and from experience playing with alot of different people a big reason people ragequit or in general leave the game. Like all other bugs it should not be a reason to increase/decrease the weapons power and should rather be fixed.

Changes

M1 Damage 88 -> 74 (one more left click for each class)

Lunge Multihits -> removed
Lunge Damage 120 -> 140 (without multihits and less left click damage you need the combo breakpoint of 136 to have a fighting chance)
Lunge rotational clamp -> removed

Other Feedback

Ranked needs one less round. The current playerbase can't sustain proper matchmaking with 24 player lobbies. Cutting it in half with 12 player lobbies and 2 rounds for everyone so even the "losing teams" play for 3rd place would not only help with players being on similar skill levels but also relieve frustration for the casual playerbase from losing rs in 15 mins but gaining the same amount in 45 mins.

Small QOL Updates You have so many good features that would be little work for you but would impact the community positively and fill the content breaks. One example would be releasing the collected data about weapons etc. as an api just like for example "op.gg" or "lolalytics" from League of Legends. Collab with the talented people in your community that already built sites like the leaderboard/bans/rename tracker. Other ones would be changing the weapon stats to numbers instead of a vague bar so it's more readable, adding assists to the profile or having a simple match history that locally saves the stats of the last 10 games or so.

[fleet socket]

This would make the game feel boring, build variety/comp variety allows matches to feel different from each another (at least when not everyone is running meta)

Overwatch used to have different team comps that could work but now it's just 2-2-2 cause of role queue

[native berry]

Rename "Last Second Steal" highlight into "Clutch Steal"

then have the announcer say "Clutch Steal! Haha! That caught the other team off guard, didnt it?"

[tropic sentinel]

Grenade launchers are way too op

[brave dagger]

Some ideas for the melee rework you are currently working on. Melee is sort of in a weird spot right now. Most of them aren't that viable at higher levels, and some of them are somewhat oppressive in casual lobbies. Part of the skills for melee are both tactical and mechanical. Making the higher level viable should focus on those aspects of the weapons.

A suggestion that has floated about is to have melee's have unique quick melee and reload key attacks. This could hit both notes of tactical and mechanical skills. An example would be to give spear its spin on reload, add a throw on secondary make its primary just stabs and the quick melee the current sweep which is its current first attack. I believe most weapons would have some unique features that they could interact with especially the reload button.

Another example would be current dagger: what if the reload key would activate a silent steps ability that reduces the sound output by the player for a few seconds on a moderate cooldown. Dagger has notoriously only really been viable with dash, but this would allow for a different power fantasy to be fulfilled with specs like cloak and grapple. This requires careful balance to not be to ruinnous for newer players ofcourse, it should be playtested internally plenty. There are plenty ideas to tinker with. What if sword does a backwards hop on the reload key, or riot switches stance by placing the shield on their back and having a secondary attack now.

Adding these layers of mechanical skill would add to the viability through sheer tactical flexibility while also increasing the skill ceiling.

Another note of feedback on melee is that some weapons have clunkiness that hinder skill expresion. Spear for example is already considered a weak weapon, but also locks into 3 spins on secondary. The rotation clamp on sword should probably only affect the sword hitbox and not the camera. These examples feel like arbitrary handicaps instead of a weapons tactical weakness.

[empty needle]

u just want an easy game, not having to think about what counters the opposing team comp… i know it makes the game more difficult having to think: do we need more poke? do we need more sustain? does our enemy team have a lot of movement? a lot of health? potentially many defibs? what does out team need to counter that? how do we adapt our playstyle to the opposing team?
this is what makes the finals challenging and engaging.
not mastering 1 build to perfection, but having to adapt to changing variables in the many interactions in the game.

@gritty jetty hell yea, it‘s what makes the finals work for me when all other games bore me

[gritty jetty]

dynamism shooter enjoyers when there's dynamism in their dynamism shooter advertised as a dynamism shooter

[gilded sparrow]

pls fix cashout modes. the best strategy right now is to grief and 3rd party every chance you get

[mild gull]

How to correctly balance the 93R (its current TTK is awful)

The 93R's current TTK is even worse than it was pre-S5 and in my honest opinion it is subpar versus other light class options (like the ARN, the XP-54, the V9S and the LH1).
This weapon gets out-damaged in most cases by the FAMAS (across all classes), a similar 3-round burst weapon with 4 more rounds in the magazine present in the medium class, which has 100 more HP.
In my opinion it doesn't make sense that the light class burst weapon has... less DPS potential than the medium class burst weapon?

Proposed 93R changes:
Damage: 24** (same)**
Burst delay: 0,275s > 0,23s

This change will result in the following TTKs (Time-to-kill):

Body:
light: 0,81s -> ** 0,72s** (7 shots) (does NOT 2 burst lights with body shots only)
medium: 1.28s -> 1,14s (11 shots)
heavy: 1.74s -> 1,56s (15 shots)

Head:
light: 0.47s -> 0,42s (5 shots)
medium: 0.81s -> 0,72s (7 shots)
heavy: 1.22s -> 1,08s (10 shots)

Damage drop-off minimum range: 30m ->** 27m**
Damage drop-off maximum range: 37.5m ->** 34.5m**
Damage Dropoff Modifier @ Max Range: 50%** (it stays the same)**

These changes will make the weapon solid while not making it overpowered; for comparison, the ARN, a weapon with effectively a 60 round magazine, more range, and fully automatic has TTKs that are on average 10% faster than the 93R. This makes it effectively a completely superior option while being easier to use and way more forgiving. Missing a burst on the 93R means you are extremely penalised in your killing potential. This isn't the case for the ARN.

With these changes, the 93R will not 2 burst lights with body shots only, which was the product of an oversimplified "nuclear" buff made in Season 5.
This proposal will also make the 93R less capable to poke at long range due to lower minimum and maximum drop-off ranges, leaving that task to options such as the ARN and the LH1 (preserves the weapon niche).

[sonic arrow]

Buff my grandma

She got killed like 80 times in her first game last night

[hearty dagger]

for the melee rework, make it so aiming at an opponent’s knees removes their ability to walk forever

[urban hatch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/737790946598715553/962211914031706172/pullotus.gif

[dark niche]

"i hate creativity, refuse to lfg, & would rather whine about my teammates than self reflect" is what i'm getting from this. the classes are balanced & the point of the game is to have unconventional team compositions

[vivid mirage]

I really dislike that we cannot see our weapon/gadget/specialization XP go up at the end of a match anymore. Please re-add the ability to see weapon/gadget/specialization XP gained after match again.

[sonic spoke]

I love this!
@cinder mason good on you for your willingness to be open minded and recognition for valid points from Dev.

[rustic tinsel]

Even if it's not 40º,as long as any form of aim lock exists,sword will have the most idiotic handling. Since the rotation clamp is clearly the biggest thing that makes the weapon unusable, it should not exist in the game at all.You should just revert sword back to how it was in S1 and S2, when there was no multi-hit. Sword back then was a bit weak, but that’s okay. It’s better than receiving a dumb patch that destroys the weapon’s original identity, even if it’s a weaker weapon.
Because you thought sword was weak when there was no multi-hit,you patched multi-hit in.But because your obsession with keeping that led to the dumbest decision, even removing mechanics all other weapons have.
Every weapon, when in close range, can naturally move behind the enemy or slide behind and look back to hit. And dagger is a weapon specifically designed for that. So are you going to add aim lock to all weapons? Why, sword can’t look back like all do? Every weapon can naturally look back. But sword alone is restricted from doing that? Why do you discriminate only against the sword by calling it an “exploit” when all melees and weapons can do it?
Wildly spinning the aim actually wasn’t used, It was used only in very rare cases dumb enemies were stupidly stacked in one spot.
If you want to solve the problem, then just remove multi-hit.
Even if spins wildly, they’d only hit one target. That solves the problem. The problem was solved without unfairly messing with the controls. Of course, dmg must also be reverted. Just revert it to S1.
Why you have to ruin sword’s identity that’s been there since its release just to appease the nerf whiners? M1 spam on a 150 HP class is not good. Who’s the narrow-minded person who decided on a patch like this that ruins sword’s identity by thinking “melee should just be dumb M1 spam?
Why do you ignore feedback from actual users of the weapon, Why are melees being treated unfairly? Just revert sword and melees nerf.

[umbral root]

The servers are horrible right now.
I'm getting constant packet loss.
It's like playing the game via powerpoint presentation.

[thorny lynx]

Respec order sounds like another step in the wrong direction already. BALANCE THE GAME and stop changing core elements based on no reasoning whatsoever. JUST BALANCE THE GAME

[eager flax]

You clearly havent actually read the article. They gave you an explanation why in the article.

I do agree with it, though i feel like if you would want to "buff a weapon against a certain archetype" you could also try the overwatch-like approach with armor values and HP bars split up into armor / health, with some recharging faster than others, or having different damage values depending on what theyre attacked with

[pure arrow]

Agreed! Stop slowly ruining the identity of the finals for people who whine and can’t learn to play properly. The testing hasn’t even happened yet and this is an awful idea.

[cinder mason]

Experimenting isn't a bad idea. Plus they posted some valid points about ttk disparity and how it was a limiting factor to balance. Let's just see how it plays our first then determine if it's a good/bad change.

[torpid quarry]

Im all for making heavy run faster, but please dont make lighht run slower

[lime sky]

Ppl are stupid by design bro

[full sierra]

175 hp light and 325 hp heavy is a bad idea PLEASE DO NOT DO IT

[mighty flax]

You all desperately need to add more gamemodes

[ivory sand]

make red dot sight dot a bit smaller. ts is too big

[vital sand]

Fix the box drop glitch!!!!

[median chasm]

a senseless change, I hope it won't go through...

[brave epoch]

Im really curious to see how those experimental changes go. Less extremes = easier to balance.. in theory. Not to mention some of the other rationale.

Plus they are talking about it as if it is the first of multiple iterations of changes. Meaning it won't JUST be the lower light move speed and heavy hp.

[hollow badger]

If i aint broken dont fix it

[grand hare]

BUFF M60

[jolly dagger]

Important game feedback add bigger size hats to the merch store 57 is too small for me ✌️✌️

[crisp latch]

Restore Ranked Spawns... donno who's benefiting from new spawns but out of the matches i played we got 3ped like 85% of the time ... 🫠 it's literally quickcash.... Im talking about APAC donno about others

Fix the god dam spawns
Literally rn killed one team at vault and they spawn on our face right before we plug the box and then guess what happened they wiped us cuz we were un prepared. And then in the next vault fight those same team camped the vault went away and again camped the box and another team came to 3p us and that prev team just waited. It's so fkinf annoying and so unfair. Can't believe this is the game we are playing since s1 so trash and im so pissed. I only have so many kills cuz we are continuesly killing and they keep coming like zombies

[shrewd ferry]

lovely matchmaking; give me noob teammates as a noob myself, and give me lvl 100s opponents abusing metas

[hexed frigate]

I really like how it sounds the new experimental changes, tbh I would push this forward and make L 200hp, M 250hp, H 300hp

[olive wraith]

Just read the patch notes for respec order, and safe to say I’m concerned. I understand that it’s a test, but the community has the right to be concerned that this is even being considered in the first place.
Personally, I don’t think that the proposed L/H changes would be good. One of the core identities behind THE FINALS is how fundamentally different the three archetypes play, based off of simply how tanky heavies are, and how obnoxious lights are to hit. That’s one of the reasons THE FINALS is so good, the archetypes actually feel fundamentally different and require different play styles.
Tightening the gap with movement speed and health will just dilute the classes together, which is not a step that I’d like to see in the game. Lights being able to take 1 more shot in a fight is a big difference for some guns. Heavies being slightly faster could open up new movement opportunities for a class that, by design, is meant to not be very mobile.
Each class has its strengths and weaknesses, and the core stats (where they are now at least) exemplify that. Sure, it’s more frustrating for new players, but that’s because they’re used to games like Apex or COD. If that’s the reason for wanting to test this, focus on player onboarding elements instead.
-# (One thing I’d love to see in onboarding is locking new players into lvl 30 and below lobbies, but player count/smurfing wouldn’t help with that)
Just my thoughts, though. If a change like this is going to be made, it needs to be done VERY carefully. The moment you start changing core stats to the game that have never changed before is when things get dicey.

[sacred siren]

Y'all dont even play your own game at this point. Who the fuci thought 175hp L was a good idea? Light is already extremely dominant in its role, basically a better medium for combat, and high level team comps of HLL already reflect this.
Light does not need another buff.
Giving extra move speed to heavy is useless, but giving Light the ability to take another 2 bullets is insane.

[dark flicker]

Half the community is going to riot if this happens and balancing is gonna be a mess and a lot of people are not going to be happy please embark I beg you do not do this change 🙏 🥺

[spark shard]

There has never been a matchmaking system in this game, never. Not even Embark believes their own patch notes when they talk about "matchmaking" or "matchmaking improvements." Given the number of active players the game has, which is only going to get worse, it's impossible to create a matchmaking system that's fair for everyone. So, inevitably, this game will be left for 1000 players or less, who are people who are unemployed and whose only goal in life is to reach ruby rank.

[dull monolith]

There’s better melee systems in other games where truly mastering melee means more than just looking in someone’s direction and tapping their button melee takes away from what I feel should be a viable and ok weapon class that’s not as looked down on as it is and if they made the melee some kind of different control system it could definitely be that but right now it’s not and it’s going to continue to be looked down on until a change along those lines is made. Now that being said I have no idea how they’re going to make that change but it needs to be done sooner rather than later.

[frozen tree]

The health and speed changes seem interesting, and I’m open to testing them next update. But even before we actually get to play with these changes, I already have one essential request. Increase the sword lunge damage to 140. This change has been something ive been campaigning for with other proposed changes, but now it is even more essential. Without it, a lunge + qm won’t kill a 175 health light, and, as we’ve seen before, that makes sword practically useless. Please, prove you want to have melee be viable and actually give us something.

[alpine pebble]

i love when i decide to play ranks, the lobby is easy dificult and then 1 team are just ruby that start playing rankeds and the system dont thinks thats not a easy lobby 🙂

[hybrid agate]

175 HP light would mean LLL meta 💔

[hearty bough]

The majority of melee weapons are currently in C tier, and are objectively difficult to win with in high elo, which in turn means that they require more skill to win with than all of the meta guns.

If you’re having problems against melee, you need to work on your movement and positioning.

The upcoming melee rework stated that it will make mastering melee more rewarding, so the overall value/effectiveness of melee at high elo is likely to go up, not down (ie overall buff rather than a nerf)

[north stratus]

We do not need respec. I already hate the idea of this and genuinely do not trust yall to re balance weapons to fit it. Yall have done a lot of good but your weapon balance had not been the best. The ks was in an unreliable state for a long time. The pike has been in a horrid state for 2 seasons and the xp 54 just is kinda there. Even if the health change is a good idea the numbers and how much each health each class gets doenst feel right. Lights do not need more hp. Weapon balance has not been yalls strong suit and I genuinely do not trust yall to not fuck up multiple weapons with this change.

[hollow kelp]

respec is a terrible idea ngl

[frozen python]

W embark for working so close with the community and allowing our input to game decisions, appreciate you!

And folks in here really need to be more open for change and ideas, how is the team supposed to design their game if every idea is straight up turned down without even giving it a try? Those are not even permantent changes and everybody cries...

[vocal bloom]

instead of actually giving heavy movement lets nerf them and give them better movement speed, that fixes it and lets just buff light for the sake of it yeah?

[grand plaza]

Please dont go through with these changes. All classes are very well balanced right now (especially light and heavy while medium is slightly weaker than both). This has been a core mechanic of the game for years and there hasnt been an issue with it. Light has higher dps weapons, a much smaller hitbox and movement tools to compensate for its lower hp. Making classes more similar in health/speed/anything would just destroy their identities and actually make light overpowered.
It took you 3 years to get balancing to a relatively good state. Please dont ruin it with a change that nobody asked for and nobody would like.

[topaz harbor]

light is still broken longer Dash cooldown does absolutely nothing for the game, put a delay between dash uses, and for the love of god remove backstabs from the game its so broken its not even funny

[honest wing]

[tough stump]

Do NOT go through with these changes, light doesn't need to be slower or have more health, nor does heavy need less and to be faster, this is an ass idea and if followed through it's going to make the super annoying weapons like dagger and DB that may not be good but are painful to fight will now just be even more annoying, it's not a good change

[craggy frost]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/997487666461421639/1439138073727205456/togif-4.gif

[unreal fossil]

Even though I'm not a melee player, I really like your idea of increasing the number of attacks/moves from 2 to 4. This would make melee in general and melee vs. melee in particular a lot more interesting, by eventually removing clunky combos and letting players choose their own attacks with different ranges, damage and speed.

I think QM/LMB/RMB could be attacks ranging from quickest/lowest range and damage to slowest/highest range (lunge) and damage, with R being a defensive move (raising the shield/blades, pushing back enemies, dashing backwards...)

Giving all weapons a similar pattern would make learning/transitioning easier.

To add more depth: a combo system where using two different attacks successively grants minor speed/damage/range buffs to the third attack, or a whole different attack, giving players incentive to not just spam one attack (as seen with Sword LMB)

Even more depth: missing your target with RMB and/or the third hit of a combo gives the user movement/attack speed penalties for a very short time, making them high risk/high reward moves.

[frosty notch]

W experimental change of lights to 175 health!!!!!

PLEASE KEEP IT

[silent grove]

reduce light hp to 125
buff sledgehammer

[sterile plank]

I don't trust the health changes and I think going through with keeping it will muddle the classes together, which will just remove more differences that the classes are supposed to support another. That being said I don't mind it if they experiment with it for a week. I do think most people who'll cheer for it are gonna be Lights that have bad positioning and this being just a safeguard. The heavies I genuinely cannot see it changing all that much for them.

The speed changes are gonna be interesting, but I feel like Lights are going to complain about it a lot and Heavies are gonna be even scarier, especially since they are the strongest class already. 25 HP is nothing to them

Interested in seeing how this plays out, but I feel like most people already know this is gonna be a bad idea, but hey maybe we are wrong (This will bring a lot of damage rebalances tho and based on past experiences it's going to be a mess)

[glass pendant]

If we adressing speed and health we cant ignore health regen. Heavy is already have to make team wait a lot and it feels awful. If you want to make team stick together and have less downtime heavy recovery speed or delay should be improved as well

[novel trench]

Different game dawg

[grave fox]

It will be very difficult to provide feedback with breakpoints against L getting worse (favored for the Light) during the experiment if there aren't other weapon tuning changes in play at the same time.

If everyone is running around with ARs and full auto DPS weapons it's less of a problem, but burst/break point centered weapons and playstyles are hard to evaluate honestly during the test.

[stark pilot]

Add a mechanism that instantly recover health when someone get a kill.

Upon securing a kill, health regeneration should begin immediately, at the same speed as normal health regeneration, and can be interrupted.

TF is the only game I've played where, in a 1v3 situation, killing one and running away is a loss.

Rescuing someone takes only five seconds, while health regeneration takes 7 to 10 seconds.

Therefore, killing one and running away in a 1v3 situation is extremely disadvantageous; the person is revived in five seconds, while you're still waiting for health regeneration.

The only way to win team fights in this game is to constantly maintain a numerical and health advantage, because rescuing is faster than health regeneration. Often, you kill one, then chase after a low-health enemy, only to find them revived again.

A situation where only one person remains is unwinnable; you can only drag it out until a teammate uses a coin to revive.

Furthermore, the inability to regenerate health makes solo melee incredibly difficult. Without a healer, you're constantly waiting for health regeneration.

The reason why everyone in the entertainment mode is play light is because everyone is waiting for health regeneration; only the light, being fast, can get it.

[mystic crescent]

I don’t know what’s going on with ranked but I was going up in rank fine until I had 3 really bad games in a row with teammates leaving. Now all of a sudden I’ve just been going down in rank every single game for 3 weeks straight I haven’t had a good game of ranked since those 3 games. It’s like the game capped my skill level for coming last in those rounds, but how was I supposed to win without any teammates

[spice zenith]

Buffing light health is a terrible move. Players that are good with light already do not need a health buff, this is going to scare away new players because pro light players will be able to be more aggressive than ever before.

Sincerely disappointed this is the direction you’re choosing to go.

Depending on how bad it goes I might just skip this whole event.

There should be a public test server if you want to test out terrible ideas.

@light tinsel
Public test servers are separate, this is an experiment that everyone is forced to test.

[zinc nexus]

respec's goal seems to make teamwork even less applicable by giving light even more reason to leave their team behind as now they will be tankier and more forgiving and heavy's will die even faster to their guns that argueably kill to fast anyways... if respec goes through I'm betting there will be a spike in light players and they will all just be running around like it's CoD. Though at this rate that might be what embark wants 🤮

[fiery hill]

✧ Cross-Team Communication ✧

Hello everyone! First time posting here...

I really wish there was an "All Chat" option in the game. Being able to talk to the other teams would be a nice feature. This might make the chat more toxic but... it will definitely feel nice.

If this is not possible in rank match, then "All Chat" can be an option for non-ranked matches.

If this feature promotes "ganging up" on teams, then adding this to game mode like Point Break, Power Shift and Team Deathmach wouldn't hurt.

If somehow none of this is possible... adding a ping wheel that everyone can see would be good.

Massages may include:

1. "TAKE THE VAULT"
2. "DON'T SHOOT/TIMEOUT"
3. "FOCUS ON THE LEADER"

Trying to communicate in "Crouch Morse code" doesn't do the trick.

Thanks for reading my ranting.... 🐈‍⬛

[solemn badger]

Reading this is one of the dumbest things I have seen as a og player

If this actually stays as a permanent thing I am done

I love this game but what are some of the balance changes fr

[mighty vault]

are they fixing the crash instances during shader compilation or what

its been more than a month that i bought a bundle and the next day the game stop working

this shit is code level stop using fucking AI code

[regal maple]

I can wait another season. Remove Hardcoded Deadzone on controller plz (⁠╥⁠﹏⁠╥⁠)

[orchid holly]

this is starting to feel like Bungie in terms of neglect.

[lunar harbor]

Fix ranked matchmaking before 🙏

[queen hawk]

We do indeed need a test server

[snow venture]

matchmaking in general, a third of all my matches I am fairly sure my teammates are AI bots

[west skiff]

Bring back head 2 head

[jaunty flax]

hey lets not do this embark test it sure but lets not do this

[full fog]

RESPEC only makes sense if the weapons are balanced to match it. i do think its being taken a bit agressively by the community. Embark has good intent, and what they learn from this event is solely based on realistic constructive input. As a community we shape the game by giving good feedback (including constructive criticism) im actually excited to see how this changes and shapes the game.

[raven garnet]

you should do something about smurfing in this game, it's so out of hand, and something you need to address as you'll never keep new players with that shit

[pure vine]

agreed. so many other ways to address this "disparity":

• give heavy an optional burst of speed
• provide mobility options everyone can enjoy
• make lights almost impossible to target (half my height, fast, invisible, ziplines)
• make one-shots on lights available to heavy difficult to pull off (say, institute an altfire on hammer that could do it)

OH WAIT. YOU ALREADY DO THESE THINGS. THE GAME WAS ALREADY BALANCED? WHO KNEW, WOW?

[pure wren]

PLEASE FIRE YOUR ISRAELI BALANCING TEAM

[past crane]

Light does not need more health guys like this throws off the balancing of all the single shot weapons immediately

[vital star]

Please, add matchmaking or something similar, it's not fun to play against diamond/ruby players as a casual player, talking about non-ranked cashout

[fresh elm]

can we please make the ranked cash boxes give the same amount. getting the first 2 boxes is sometimes just pointless when the teams in last place get last vault and we lose. just makes getting the first 2 vaults useless

[spare pagoda]

Got sent into an active Power Shift match, spawn, the platform is just meters away from reaching the enemy point, immediately choose to leave, wait the 5 seconds, and during said 5 seconds, a Light kills me with the Dagger, lmaooo

[cursive urchin]

Respec Order is a solid idea for keeping teams coordinated. However, on spawn, Lights often use their Evasive Dash to immediately break away from the group. Reducing its charge by one would help balance the specialisation overall, while also discouraging players from splitting off and getting picked off alone.

It might be worth going further and experimenting with removing body types altogether in favour of a playstyle builder. The current system, with different sizes, health pools, health regen, and movement speeds, creates significant balancing challenges. A unified baseline, would make it much easier to tune weapons, gadgets, and specialisations, while also making the game more approachable for new players.

[trim dune]

I have 800 hours in the game, spread evenly across all "bodytypes" (lmao) and the speed thing is not an issue. They're just coping on behalf of all the light mains whinging about winch claw and noobs/shtters that can't handle heavy's TTK. The new, crappy spawns have already ensured that any "bodytype" can reenter the fray at a rate which feels faster than the surviving team's health recharge.
It's entirely about reducing skill floor and ceiling and overall skill expression.

Gotta maintain dat perpetual chaos n shiet so zoomers will play the game. The same cohort less likely to exhibit conservative spending on MTXs.

[half sun]

Does anyone have any tips on the ban appeal process. I caught a perma for no reason i can think of.. i dont use hacks or anything. What do i do as i cant get a response

[carmine token]

The changes being proposed seem to stem solely from the developers' wanting the job of balancing to be easier for them, consequences be damned. Because you guys are clearly busy working on bigger things, like not actually giving us a new map, right?
I know you guys don't really care about balancing opinions if they don't come from the ESPORTS crew of Ruby Twitch streamers but I'd hope you'd at least consider the financial implications of upsetting a large number of your playerbase.
It's been ten seasons worth of changes, a solid 80% of which have been heavy/medium nerfs and light buffs and lights still believe their class is somehow oppressed. They will believe this even if you give them 225 HP. The mere mention of a 10% speed nerf for them is enough to offset any buff you might try and give them.

Meanwhile the game will become even more unapproachable to new players, which maybe doesn't matter anymore to you guys and you're okay with just coasting off the existing playerbase before sunsetting it in a year but I'd hope you care, at least slightly, about the game and not just the excel spreadsheet.
You mention you will do a full rebalance of all weapons in the game to account for this, yet you know what the result of this will be - necessary nerfs to light weapons, which will bring about another wave of complaints based on nothing but mindless hysteria, and I know for a fact you would never have the balls to do something truly daring like buff the Sledgehammer, meaning the heavy HP nerf will make it even more of a retired legacy weapon than it already is.

Unless you're willing to do anything meaningful like nerf light damage by an actually substantial amount, the increased HP combined with the existence of the Heal Infuser will easily make LLL/LLM the optimal team. And since we all know you will never dare give light any meaningful nerfs, this is guaranteed to be the case.

[sterile canopy]

I have a spear idea! To make the weapon's quality of life a little better.

The spin attack is presumably not cancellable for a reason, fine. But part of what makes it frustrating is how easy it is to accidentally right click during intense moments, and this can get you killed, it's a big issue. So how about, clicking the right click again immediately after triggering it, but only before the first damage hitbox comes in, cancels it.

I think it would make spear feel a lot less frustrating to use! Hopefully without messing up whatever the intended balance and strategy is.

[wide seal]

I need help .. somethings wrong with my game.. it feels like someone is hacking... I can't control my player.. I can choose a game but in gameplay I just aim up and I cant play

[pulsar jay]

Do not go through with hp changes, this would alienate veteran players and lose people we can't afford to lose

[idle thorn]

I looove losing full RS because some homo afk'd and the dogshit ass system didn't do anything.

Also send pipebombs to the guy refusing to remove Seoul.

[novel crown]

This change would destroy a lot.. The speed difference is stupid. If you say that is for not experienced players to be more together, they need to understand and learn it... Otherwise the speed isnt a problem. But the change of hp would even destroy more.. A lot of melee combos wouldnt work anymore. For example Winch-2hit SA-melee to a light, sniper-melee, m26-melee, etc. a lot of weapons would feel completely different. For example repeater would take 3 shots for a light instead of 2. Then it would be the same for m and l...

[inland marsh]

EMBARK PLS add more furry cosmetics 🙏

[astral dune]

"We noticed the average light is bad at the game so we made them slower and buffed their hp, this will totally stop them from burning all 3 dashes to get to the frontlines before dying"

[daring brook]

the hp change has to be a late april fool joke right there is no way someone actully thougt it was a good idea

[keen beacon]

the changes haven’t even come yet why you guys even mad

world tour originally was just unranked tournament with random bs here and there

[tidal mirage]

Man they nerfed heavy again? Being 10% faster is good, ok, I take it. But making the heavy a little faster won’t make that much of a change in a pvp as another nerf on life.
Anyway my biggest problem keep being that the game is full of light. I pick a match and it’s impossible to play with light without communication, and they don’t communicate.

[plucky maple]

EMBARK PLEASE FIX THE DEAGLES - AGAIN

ACCURACY IS ALL OVER THE PLACE - AGAIN

FIX THE DEAGLES ... What's this Halo Reach DMR ?

[light tinsel]

This is the public test server 🤦‍♂️. It’s a temporary event that, once over, might be implemented permanently.

Anyway here is some feedback from me:

Health Changes:
This doesn’t make much sense to me. As someone who plays light about 40% of the time I understand how frustrating it is to be killed in the blink of an eye.
However, lights also have some very high DPS weapons and plenty of movement to make them a hard target to hit. So while on paper you die really fast, in reality you are able to stand your ground against other classes. Even if you can’t win a head on fight, light has always been about using movement and positioning to gain the advantage anyway.
It seems to me that the idea of a light health buff came from players who 1. aren’t experienced enough to use light to its fullest, or 2. Are salty about dying a little too fast to another class (also because they aren’t skilled enough)
I also find it confusing that you said other games use health regeneration rules to balance varying health while failing to mention that it is already implemented in the finals. Each and every class has its own regeneration delay and speed to help balance the classes. (Although this system admittedly has its flaws, but believe those could be addressed with @stark pilot’s genius idea above)
Not to mention, the sheer amount of rebalancing all at once required for this change to actually payoff would cause enormous confusion and drama among players.

Speed Changes:
This change, to me, has some potential, but if it’s overtuned I believe it could cause major backlash.
Speed is a core part of each classes identity and I feel like making these speeds closer to one another could lead to a further loss of uniqueness among classes.
Additionally, base movement speed alone will not fix the problems you want to address. Those problems are largely due to the lack of movement options on heavy.

Big ol wall o yap lol

[jagged cedar]

I think that devs should do something I’ve seen in Brawhalla (I hate that game but they’ve done one thing right) which is to have a permanent “experimental” mode in which there is new tweaks and temporary balance changes restricted to that one gamemode. Concerning 10.3, I’m concerned about how these changes are going to affect the health of melee in the game, which is already in a sad state. Lights retain their annoying mobility tools while gaining a boost in survivability, making melee players work even harder. I think these health and speed changes can be implemented well but to do so requires changes to the other systems impacted by it. For melee I think the future rework needs to focus on the usability features of the weapons, such as removing swords camera lock while removing cleave/multi hit or making dual blades deflect more consistent. I think melee for light needs to be built around single target assasinations, mediums in more weird utility, and heavy in destruction and wide sweeping damage. The health changes are going to make this a lot harder to deal with lights and coupled with bandaid fixes like sword camera-lock will make the volatile feelings of melee success even more disparate, slicing and dicing heavies while watching a light disappear into the sunset with 25hp

Point being: I love love love that experiments are being implemented but there is a LOT to be addressed and also I miss good melee 🙁

[hot temple]

Dual swords is another stupid weapon, cause yeah you're reflecting a full ak mag with your fucking toes???? Horrible mechanics

[young jetty]

Just completely remove sniper and sword. Neither of these weapons fit the gameplay loop of the finals whatsoever.

[wary flax]

Nerf Winch!!! It should not be able to pull through floors!!

[stuck turtle]

Yeah this seems like a great way to make lights more oppressive, mediums the same and nerf heavies

[paper falcon]

Making the heavy faster and the light slower is so dumb. As a light, sledge heavies already have a boost already and can catch up to you very quickly even after you dash back to back. These balance changes don’t balance anything.

[muted plaza]

tomorrows the day to ruin casuals on light

[spiral hemlock]

why does it not show what the reticle will look like on sights when previewing them in the contestant editor? why else would i even want to preview them?

[burnt notch]

the light and heavy changes are TEMPORARY, they are NOT PERMANENT, everyone stop overrreacting like the devs r actually gonna immediately push this as a perma change, they said themselves that they are simply TESTING changes to see how it'll impact balance and player behavior

[azure vortex]

I can see that the light main dev/playtester has the controls over balancing again.
So now the repeater cant two tap a light without a headshot included but can 4 shot a heavy now. Which is the stand out weapon that gets nerfed/buffed in this balance change.
And there's no mention of changing the healing factor for light or heavy. So now heavy will take just as long to heal for less and light gets more health and heals just as quick.
TDM is already full of clip farming lights so I hope this test run doesnt come to fruition across the board.

[north dew]

Can "Casual" please be Casual and not ranked ?

Ive not played ranked since season 3 and im againts rubies in normals

Also, wtf is up with that aim assist ?

[placid parrot]

love that these changes ruin melee even more lol, sword would literally lose its combo with lunge + QM against lights when its already difficult to hit lights due to the rotation clamp

[hybrid silo]

Embark how about you do an experiment where you actually improve the game? You know, fixing the server issues that have been in the game since launch, the freezing, actually trying to put meaningful balance changes into this mess?

My friend decided to play in S10 after not playing for 5 seasons and he literally has to restart his game every 2nd match because he laggs like hell but when he reconnects his audio gets fucked. Your game is in excellent state Embark, let’s experiment, you are right.

Also, heavy is still a class that only has to spam everything without thinking and lights run away as soon as they get hit once because you decided to make a class that can’t hold their own in a fair fight, so they have to play like the biggest rats on the planet to have value and you wonder why new players don’t stick around.

[plush sand]

have you actually played this game like have you played an embark you really think they not this stupid???

@worldly oak movement speed doesnt affect dash and gate is what he is saying you honk

[clever crescent]

day 10 of asking for a paris map till i get a baguette sword skin, a paris map, or both

[low skiff]

So let’s give the most mobile class more health and ignore the fact that grapple and dash let them teleport already…

[worldly oak]

-10% movement speed

[copper blaze]

Delete the nullifier from the game.
Nerf dash.

[blissful anvil]

Yall are asking so much from a company that cannot even implement an actual anticheat into the game. s10 has been basically unplayable with fresh accounts flooding everywhere and absolutely 0 ban support against xim/cronus users.

It makes literally 0 sense im a top 1k player in the game but cannot even sit in casual game modes anymore?

[gritty jetty]

dont listen to the redditors and bronze power shift players please keep testing big changes like this. bring back the old kill visuals/cashout music and let us change the menu background

[ebon hemlock]

make it make sense how I am second here...

[dull tiger]

make a single round wt mode without any of the experiments i wanted this before the announcements and i think it would make perfect sense to add it now with the onging experiments in base wt

[undone dagger]

FIX MATCHMAKING THIS GAME FEELS LIKE IT HAS EBMM

[weary pine]

Remove Sword

[placid cliff]

in regards to the respec test i would be more than fine with just the walk speed changes. those would be super nice for rollouts on spawns and rotating as a group to vaults. giving lights +25 max hp will make dealing with poke weapons like bow and SR a total nightmare on most maps

[tender tulip]

bro its only in a seperate game mode to test the changes, its not even going live in cashout/ranked, yall are freaking for no reason i swear to god

[marble saddle]

the new respec mode is a great idea, please dont stop at just health value testing, please keep it as a permanent mode so you can test every single balance change that you could ever want to, that way we get balances more often, and they're backed with in field testing

[hollow snow]

So NERF lights completely
Fuck no

[cobalt pendant]

Took a few days off and decided to jump on and play today. First game, player quit after their first death.

Second game, After 1st player quit, second player just sat there and emoted the whole game. Cool flute man…. thanks for that while we got our ass handed to us. Love playing 1 vs. 3.

So….. why not do something like this. For those assholes who quit mid game, give them a steep ban. For Ranked like a 90 day ban. For Cashout a 30-45 day ban. Make it so they can only play the other modes. Who cares if they quit on Quick Cash etc. Let all the quitters play the casual modes. Let those be the only options for them. Have some consequence for quitting other game modes.

I love the finals, but I don’t love wasting 30 minutes of my time dealing with players who do absolutely nothing and run around like it’s fucking Minecraft.

[wispy bluff]

Hello Everyone.
Guys, Hear me here pls.
I’m the only one waiting for a party indicator maybe green to distinc visually your squad mate from other players in the same team in-match? I don’t know if it’s hard to add that feature. It might help in large team modes. Thank you for reading 🙌🏾

[plush robin]

for ranked i agree cause leaving griefs. but cashout i feel like should just stay as it is cause losing a game does not lose progress

[frail lichen]

2 simple things I’d love the game to have that would boost the vibes immensely (maybe not for the comp side of things);

1: selectable lobby backgrounds from previous seasons. I’ve seen it requested a lot and it’d be such a nice feature to have, especially with the addition of selectable sponsorships where having one from that season would maybe change the background to what they had, or making that another toggle so CNS fans aren’t left out for season 7.

2: allow the lobby music to play in matches. Rocket League has that as an option so the lobby music will continue to play into your matches and it’s one of the few things I like about the game (no flame to RL fans lol). The music in this game is divine and it’s a missed opportunity to let the tracks play throughout your games with a toggle in settings.

[silent plover]

Cool so light gets buffed and dome shield becomes even more of a staple in every kit, I guess nerfing winch wasn't enough they had to buff dome more. I don't understand why we hate barricade and crap on it every season. Hey guys I have a great idea, put up this mobile wall that mediums new specialization is just gonna bounce around all the time. Super fun thanks

[mortal owl]

24th time asking for more loadout slots insted of outfit slots

[warped haven]

The preround experience is kinda bare bones and sucks but for a game like the finals it could be way more than it is

[rancid fractal]

Bruh there is no way they are changing the heavy because dumbass lights don’t know how to wait for their team 💀

[stark trench]

Y'all are some of the most miserable mfs

[heady quiver]

YALL ARE BUNCH OF CRY BABIES WAHHH WAHHH

[simple ether]

No

[versed cloud]

Quit making all the semi automatic weapons so OP. We don't need a thousand fucking variations of sniper rifle for every class. It honestly ruins the game. Played since s1 and the more you add the worse it gets. Why have the PIKE, CB1, AND CROSSBOW all on the SAME CLASS? The game made a hell of a lot more sense when light had the reach and the medium and heavy didn't. PS: I DON'T EVEN PLAY LIGHT. @c̶̛͈a̸̰̲t̷
How does that make the game BETTER? Nice try though

[dark flicker]

Even if these changes aren't that bad in the long run, Embark should know that the community is going to completely lose it, especially since these changes would affect everyone.

I don't think the argument Embark made about players not sticking together is a good justification for the drama that is going to come from this. It hasn't even been that long since they annouced plans to just test it and the reaction has been brutal, and with the already declining player population, this is just going to add fuel to the fire.

So even if the changes being made were theoretically the right decision, this is still, at the very least, going to create a very unhappy crowd of individuals and has the possibly harm player engagement with the game.

Besides, Embark has had enough controversies already. We definitely don't need to deal with more, but I guess Embark has never really been known for doing good PR.

[rich fox]

reducing the movement speed for Light (even if it’s just 10%) sounds pretty terrible.

been playing since the game came out, things are fine the way they are.

this Respect Order seems like the first step in the wrong direction. Lights inability to play with their team doesn’t mean the game is out of balance.

i know it’s starting out as just an LTM in world tour, but i truly hope it doesn’t become a permanent thing.

i play this game for the fast movement that the Light class brings. dialing that down (again, even if it’s just by 10%) will only turn me away.

[rotund oxide]

"Game made a hell of a lot more sense" so you have an understanding problem. Here are all the poke guns and their class counterparts respectively.
Pike/crossbow/CB1/Revolver =
lh1/pistol/SR/bow =
DEagles/(missing.or.heavyAR's)/BFR/KS23
Heavy is missing an smg... So I'm guessing akimbo smg's like halo 2.🧐
I dont have the imagination to think of a high fire-rate semi-auto that would fit the heavy, dont think they need one tho.

[dense willow]

Thought I was in general for a second but it's just game feedback
Not that much different 💀

[cinder mason]

The shak fills in the role of an smg but I get what you mean.

[weak gazelle]

Bro, when are we getting grappling hook for heavy!?!?!?

[paper oak]

so basically a big light buff, lights can survive a fraction more in 1v1 against mediums,

also the time to kill a heavy is a little bit faster ?
nice

[signal crag]

Pretty much with light you need to do an extra quick melee and heavy ya gotta do 1 less

[waxen spruce]

I think this is more of an issue with light's specials than the character stats. Light benefits greatly from being difficult to hit and derives much of its survivability off of that, especially with dash allowing light to gain very easy damage avoidance three times in a row. Light is already very potent because of this, and doesn't need more survivability on top of it. If this change is going through, then light's abilities should receive tweaks accordingly

[dark niche]

i don't mind the health & movespeed changes, i actually think they're a good idea. though i think the amount of hp changed in relation to movespeed should be changed. heavies get -25 hp, a 7% difference, while lights get +25 hp, a 16% difference. this would be fine if lights were getting more of a movespeed nerf, but as far as we know it's the same.
of course it's not a huge issue & heavies are definitely already better than lights, so maybe it's deserved, but i think it might be something to consider

[young hatch]

It definitely has EOMM.

I’m queueing NA and I’ll have one good game on yellow icons, then the next 5 games are all red icons with massive lag.

Ping isn’t a priority.

Even now I waited longer than the average queue time. Red icon again… against two pre made 3 stacks after winning a game while struggling on red icon.

Of course I’m just going to quit the game straight away, not playing two pre made 3 stacks on red icon.

[sterile patio]

Love how lights gonna get more health for this event but they have the M11 which is absurdly broken with its reload speed and fire rate. Then their sword mixed with dash so even if you do hit them, it doesn’t register. A broken healing item, invisibility that is silent when they’re standing still, and so much more. There’s so much glaze for this class and it needs nerfs bad.

[nocturne spoke]

Holy trash servers...Ever since 10.0 its been nothing but crashes and lag...

[spice zenith]

Make a public test server then for people who want to test terrible ideas. Don’t force EVERYONE to test something they don’t want to.

Guess the answer is not to play the game according to others.

[sick pier]

you guys are insufferable holy shit

[hard magnet]

Just don't play world tour then, world tour has long been getting unique and interesting events, at most think of this as simply another event, and if you want cashout just play ranked since it won't affect it

[sudden spire]

The final round is sstill such an unsatisfying way to end a tournament

[simple trench]

I like the idea of more extreme and experimental balance changes. A test server for this is a good thing, don't know why everyone knocks it.

[dark gazelle]

Is anyone else having issues signing into the finals on ps5?

[fathom hedge]

Yes

[olive relic]

LOL what the FK are you smoking Embark increasing the health of light ... you people really want to kill this game

[clear glacier]

Oh boy I sure do love sword lunge jump(embark I swear to God if you remove it I will post boowomp only for one day)please tell me you didn't remove the one thing keeping me playing sword.

[hybrid crystal]

Yes I am

[mortal patio]

PS5 is not working, can't login error code TFLA0013

[storm quarry]

ps5 servers are working now

[stark notch]

lol

[warped axle]

Atleast we know how he got to the top 1k players

[frozen pelican]

FIRE COSMETIC IDEAS: A skin for the H+ infuser that turns it into a super soaker type squirt gun, and a full metal knight armor set like medieval times, steel top to bottom, I'd buy the hell out of that

[summer elk]

EMBARK LET US RECONNECT TO POINT BREAK MATCHES, THIS SHOULD BE COMMON SENSE

[olive fulcrum]

regarding the rationale behind adjusting the movement speeds for the respec thing...

People don't separate from their teams because they run a little bit faster or slower than eachother.
They make a deliberate choice to with their specializations and gadgets.

The philosphy you put on in your blog is very misguided in that regard.

Looking forward to the changes nonetheless. I think the HP changes are a step in a good direction

[minor star]

Serious feedback on Sword

I played Sword for about 1000h (hit rank 90 with it before) and a few things get lost in the heated "Sword is overpowered/unplayable" discussion.

First of all both sides need to be understood where they are coming from.

Yes in a casual lobby where people don't hit the important shots a Sword that is just running around and left clicking people to death seems absurd, overpowered and has little to do with skill expression.

The Problem is as soon as you cross the line of people investing enough time to hit even just a moderate amount of their shots left clicks become less and less viable and you have to learn combos and movement tricks to minimize the damage you take while maximizing the damage output. That's where the sword lunge comes in. Lunging is the part where skill expression shows with movement, spacial awareness and positioning. With reducing the damage AND introducing a rotation clamp the lunge becomes really clunky to use and less effective than the simpler M1 spamm.

So what can Embark do to fix the issue for both sides ? Put the focus of the weapon back on the lunge to reduce frustrating scenarios.

Second Problem, lunging through an entire team and dealing massive damage with very little counterplay should not be a thing. It is very frustrating to play against and extremely situational. It should be like other melee weapons. Left clicking less damage but can multihit and the "special attack" single target but is special in some way. Hammer has a single target high damage and destruction. Sword should have single target damage on the lunge but high mobility.

The rotational clamp itself got introduced to get rid of people 360° rotating through an entire team for a huge hurtbox and is without multihits therefore redundant. The server sided calculation of it has been bugged ever since it got introduced but has never been adressed. In the current season flicking the lunge will still yank back your entire camera and make accurate aiming impossible.

I intentionally didn't talk about hit registration because it haunts the game as a whole and has only gotten worse in the beginning of season 10 but of course it increases the frustration for alot of people. Hit detection, desyncs and server performance in general should be a heavy focus for you because it is very frustrating and from experience playing with alot of different people a big reason people ragequit or in general leave the game. Like all other bugs it should not be a reason to increase/decrease the weapons power and should rather be fixed.

Changes

M1 Damage 88 -> 74 (one more left click for each class)

Lunge Multihits -> removed
Lunge Damage 120 -> 140 (without multihits and less left click damage you need the combo breakpoint of 136 to have a fighting chance)
Lunge rotational clamp -> removed

Other Feedback

Ranked needs one less round. The current playerbase can't sustain proper matchmaking with 24 player lobbies. Cutting it in half with 12 player lobbies and 2 rounds for everyone so even the "losing teams" play for 3rd place would not only help with players being on similar skill levels but also relieve frustration for the casual playerbase from losing rs in 15 mins but gaining the same amount in 45 mins.

Small QOL Updates You have so many good features that would be little work for you but would impact the community positively and fill the content breaks. One example would be releasing the collected data about weapons etc. as an api just like for example "op.gg" or "lolalytics" from League of Legends. Collab with the talented people in your community that already built sites like the leaderboard/bans/rename tracker. Other ones would be changing the weapon stats to numbers instead of a vague bar so it's more readable, adding assists to the profile or having a simple match history that locally saves the stats of the last 10 games or so.

[tepid summit]

im tired of casual having mmr, im constantly playing against rubbies with no funny rewards for winning

[daring ingot]

DAY 21 of asking for Head2Head to be added back

[cunning spruce]

kyoto TDM is the most boring and frustrating experience ive ever had in this game. two of three maps are just plinkfests with OP highground and minimal ways to close distance

[main karma]

if you smurf on this game, fuck you.

[woeful arch]

[COSMETICS] Please separate tights from shoes and pants. Like give us fishnet tights that aren't tied to a skirt or shoes.

[wide creek]

You say this, but don't realize that in higher level gameplay you wont even get time to use all 3 dashes. If you're caught by surprise at ALL, even by a quarter of a second, you're dead. Getting caught in the open when I'm moving around kills me so fucking often, and I literally HAVE to be in the open sometimes.

I think these changes are interesting, not totally sure how they effect the highly imbalanced Light v Heavy meta going on. I don't think heavies needed to be any faster, and if what you say, that it wont effect TTK much, is true, it's not gonna change the issue.

[jolly dagger]

Bigger size hats in merch store please ✌️✌️✌️✌️✌️✌️✌️✌️

[fleet quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-pops-regular-show-regular-show-butterfly-excited-gif-23069249

[wraith orchid]

props for showing courage again and that you dont shy away from huge changes to improve the game. ive always said current health pools make the game impossible to balance, from a mathematical standpoint (still wont be 100% possible though). not to be mean, but im really wondering how you guys come up with that 2 years after release😭

[hazy shore]

bring back thermal vison, these invis lights are getting an ego again

[daring remnant]

add new build called the very-heavy. He should have 550 health and be unable to attack or move on his own. You may be wondering what he would do and why people would play him... and they wouldn't, but it'd be really funny.

[spring plank]

Removing the stun gun makes no sense when you look at actual gameplay. It was annoying, but it only slowed you and messed with movement. You could still aim and shoot back, so there was counterplay. Meanwhile, heavy’s winch is still in the game and it’s way more oppressive. If a heavy winches you, you can’t use abilities, can’t properly use your weapon, your charge gets canceled, and you’re forced into point-blank range against the highest HP class. That’s basically death, especially with a shotgun or teammates nearby.

Lights already have the lowest HP and die to almost everything. Mines, turrets, grenade launchers, flamethrowers, even breaking a turret can take half your HP. Lights have been nerfed again and again, including dashes and weapons, yet people still complain. If light was really overpowered, more players would actually use it and see how hard it is to survive on 150 HP.

Meanwhile mediums and heavies have extremely strong, low TTK weapons. Repeater, R.357, Model 1887, Cerberus, all can delete lights in 2–3 shots with far less risk. Heavies can even two-shot lights. So the “high DPS” argument doesn’t hold when other classes kill just as fast while being tankier and more forgiving.

Right now it feels like balance is based on players who can’t deal with lights instead of actual gameplay. Light is supposed to be high risk, high reward, but instead it keeps getting nerfed while medium and heavy stay low risk, high reward.

If winch stays, stun gun should come back for fairness. At least stun gun had counterplay, winch doesn’t.

It’s honestly pathetic to see mediums and heavies still crying in Season 10 after Light has been nerfed so many times, and they still complain. That just shows how skillless those players are.

[rose radish]

Dude, I enter matches and damn near everybody uses light, there's gotta be a reason it gets nerfed

[topaz cloud]

Just give light ability to make clone to juke instead of making it slower and 0.1s tankier. I dont see how +25 -10% force casual lights to play with a team

[eager prairie]

🔴🔴QUICK FIX, BUG ON WEAPON ANIMATION,🔴🔴 (when using the speacil animation pack for the ARN-220; the deploy cosmetic plays the racking sound twice, overlayed once the first starts playing, its super annoying and surley accidental

[scarlet pilot]

Yea its weird/strange but at least it was giving me abillity to live longer than 2-3 sec after facing enemy light and protects feet which riot doesnt

[untold drum]

• Please delete duos in ranked.
  I have qued into an unacceptable amount of duo quers playing off meta lights both with no healing or gateways too many times, disallowing duos is the easiest solution for future seasons because its killing the solo ranked experience & competitive integrity. if duos want to throw games let them go to WT that's what it's for or let them find a third, solo queing quality of life should take precedence over it because that's the first thing most new players experience. if the problems with solo que are ignored it hurts the game life more than any other thing, there are other solutions but removing duos in Ranked is the easiest and fastest one to do and it reduces playlist size to only solos and trios which is player count friendly.

• bring back the reworked thermal vision gadget ( i think it should be for light and medium but even just for light is okay )

• also there should be text chat bans, ive gotten friends to try playing the game and they get bullied off by duos... i have carried duos and end with all yellow stats and the most stalls and they still have been super toxic in chat bcz they won't face bans. ( not funny mean where it's in the comp spirit, I mean mean where they berate you until you don't want to play anymore )

• more dome shield legendary skins

finally i just want to say I really love this game ❤️ it gets lost in all of the complaints about the things wrong with it but this is the funnest shooter right now imo since it's release and season 10 started in an underrated positive direction for the health of the game, please keep the momentum going to season 11 and 12 🙂 the game isn't going to get better overnight but ppl have forgotten how much less most of other devs teams care about their communities, i trust y'all will slowly build on to the progress of season 10 so it gets better bit by bit for everyone that plays and the new user friendliness

[pale obsidian]

Would be neat if you used equipment status for the healing gun, it tells you if it’s overheated/cooldown and tells you the percentage of the healing gun to let others know if they could stay in open fire or go for cover.

[amber granite]

fix smurfing

[dense ocean]

day 52 asking for a free moolah peluche

[toxic forge]

ummm do giveaways maybe? but only because i want signal router...

[quasi ferry]

FIX SMURFING!! And Maybe tweak Heavy specialisations. I'm playing against 1000 HP heavys with ungodly heals and shields 💔

[celest chasm]

Here's where I'm at team.

FIX PROTANOPIA SETTINGS

ITS A DISABILITY AND IVE GIVEN YOU SEVERAL ELEGANT SOLUTIONS AFTER A CERTAIN POINT IT STOPS LOOKING LIKE NEGLIGENCE.

Second thing might be a me thing but I think Riot Shield is broken. Not sure. Still trying to get it dialed in, not sure if things are different between a live game and a private one, but there's some weird ass discrepancies. Could be cheaters, could be servers, could be lack of skill, need more data.

Lastly, everyone in this thread is on a list for poor reading comprehension and couldn't dig themselves out of a sandbox.

If you're wondering why I keep dissing people who come here it's because there needs to be less of you.

Good day.

[stark pilot]

Add a mechanism that instantly recover health when someone get a kill.

Upon securing a kill, health regeneration should begin immediately, at the same speed as normal health regeneration, and can be interrupted.

TF is the only game I've played where, in a 1v3 situation, killing one and running away is a loss.

Rescuing someone takes only five seconds, while health regeneration takes 7 to 10 seconds.

Therefore, killing one and running away in a 1v3 situation is extremely disadvantageous; the person is revived in five seconds, while you're still waiting for health regeneration.

The only way to win team fights in this game is to constantly maintain a numerical and health advantage, because rescuing is faster than health regeneration. Often, you kill one, then chase after a low-health enemy, only to find them revived again.

A situation where only one person remains is unwinnable; you can only drag it out until a teammate uses a coin to revive.

Furthermore, the inability to regenerate health makes solo melee incredibly difficult. Without a healer, you're constantly waiting for health regeneration.

The reason why everyone in the entertainment mode is play light is because everyone is waiting for health regeneration; only the light, being fast, can get it.

[minor star]

Serious feedback on Sword

I played Sword for about 1000h (hit rank 90 with it before) and a few things get lost in the heated "Sword is overpowered/unplayable" discussion.

First of all both sides need to be understood where they are coming from.

Yes in a casual lobby where people don't hit the important shots a Sword that is just running around and left clicking people to death seems absurd, overpowered and has little to do with skill expression.

The Problem is as soon as you cross the line of people investing enough time to hit even just a moderate amount of their shots left clicks become less and less viable and you have to learn combos and movement tricks to minimize the damage you take while maximizing the damage output. That's where the sword lunge comes in. Lunging is the part where skill expression shows with movement, spacial awareness and positioning. With reducing the damage AND introducing a rotation clamp the lunge becomes really clunky to use and less effective than the simpler M1 spamm.

So what can Embark do to fix the issue for both sides ? Put the focus of the weapon back on the lunge to reduce frustrating scenarios.

Second Problem, lunging through an entire team and dealing massive damage with very little counterplay should not be a thing. It is very frustrating to play against and extremely situational. It should be like other melee weapons. Left clicking less damage but can multihit and the "special attack" single target but is special in some way. Hammer has a single target high damage and destruction. Sword should have single target damage on the lunge but high mobility.

The rotational clamp itself got introduced to get rid of people 360° rotating through an entire team for a huge hurtbox and is without multihits therefore redundant. The server sided calculation of it has been bugged ever since it got introduced but has never been adressed. In the current season flicking the lunge will still yank back your entire camera and make accurate aiming impossible.

I intentionally didn't talk about hit registration because it haunts the game as a whole and has only gotten worse in the beginning of season 10 but of course it increases the frustration for alot of people. Hit detection, desyncs and server performance in general should be a heavy focus for you because it is very frustrating and from experience playing with alot of different people a big reason people ragequit or in general leave the game. Like all other bugs it should not be a reason to increase/decrease the weapons power and should rather be fixed.

Changes

M1 Damage 88 -> 74 (one more left click for each class)

Lunge Multihits -> removed
Lunge Damage 120 -> 140 (without multihits and less left click damage you need the combo breakpoint of 136 to have a fighting chance)
Lunge rotational clamp -> removed

Other Feedback

Ranked needs one less round. The current playerbase can't sustain proper matchmaking with 24 player lobbies. Cutting it in half with 12 player lobbies and 2 rounds for everyone so even the "losing teams" play for 3rd place would not only help with players being on similar skill levels but also relieve frustration for the casual playerbase from losing rs in 15 mins but gaining the same amount in 45 mins.

Small QOL Updates You have so many good features that would be little work for you but would impact the community positively and fill the content breaks. One example would be releasing the collected data about weapons etc. as an api just like for example "op.gg" or "lolalytics" from League of Legends. Collab with the talented people in your community that already built sites like the leaderboard/bans/rename tracker. Other ones would be changing the weapon stats to numbers instead of a vague bar so it's more readable, adding assists to the profile or having a simple match history that locally saves the stats of the last 10 games or so.

[civic flax]

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1491720374730096663
https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1491720008034947192

[whole sequoia]

light is the best class in the game that caters to babies yet you guys keep buffing the weapons and the class itself. why? 3 dashes that you can basically spam to trump card out of fights. a double barrel shotgun that can almost two tap every class. a sniper that has zero fall off and is practically hitscan. all of the smgs can outrange ar's other than like the mac 10. they have more ammo than ar's they have a dmr that AGAIN out classes almost all of the ranged weapons medium and heavy have to offer. and then you proceed to buff their health so they take longer and are harder to kill. thank you john finals thank you so much for continuing to ruin your game

[hybrid silo]

What are these huge changes(apart from this) you speak of?

[crystal viper]

I love the goo change as it'll make it less frustrating, to feel like you can't do anything against it and it's just a "wait to your death" situation. Though this change doesn't address what I feel is the most frustrating part of goo:

• The ability to instantly cancel any possible cashout steal
• The ability to absolutely nuke an APS turret while just needing to reload to get it back

Most specialization in the game have insane cooldowns, and some gadget have long cooldown, so having a specialization that is semi-automatic, and just needs to reload seems EXTREMELY unfair, especially since it's the highest HP class having it.

There's a need for goo gun to either have a longer reload, or/and reduce greatly its ammo to reduce the frustration one can feel against it.
Cause, right now, if you try to sneak a steal, with aps turret, the heavy just need to shoot 6 times to successfully cancel you and your aps.

And I'm suggesting this because I don't think the APS needs a buff, it's quite good where it's at currently.

And while the change will make it less likely to die from goo, it'll only calm down half of the frustration it has.

[fluid stump]

Very smart of you all tu buff the 93R back to what is was before 2 tapping light, it’s certainly won’t bring it back to the top of the meta again

[pale bronze]

MESH IS BROKEN YOU CAN"T SLIDE WITH IT ANYMORE

[grand hare]

ADD 1 AFRICA SERVER, JUST 1 EMBARK. ITS 2026

[late prairie]

still no Head2Head information if we could atleast get a reason or knowledge on if it will come back or return as a ltm again

[hardy hull]

it was
unnecessary anyways

[mental delta]

Maybe after experimenting with health values, maybe you guys can experiment by disabling H+ Infuser for a few weeks? Maybe even the Healing Emitter as well? I feel like the healing meta is part of the reason why this is being considered in the first place.

[tight atlas]

Can we please buff the sledge hammer it didn't need the nerf it got. going from never being touched the entire game to being a bad weapon

[sonic timber]

It was a pure test of skill game mode no third parties are going to save you now it was about what you and your team could do vs the enemy team also screw sniper lights on power shift

[frozen hamlet]

what to do when the game says outdated game client

[pliant lichen]

Holy fuck bro whatever you did to slides revert that shit like NOW. Edge slides are completely and utterly cooked lmfao? There is no way your dev team actually plays this game dude, this took me 20 seconds to realise this IMMEDIATELY. What the actual fuck are you doing to this game bro..???????????

You have broken slides. Roll it back so the game actually works. Like right fucking now, bro we cannot be serious..?

[quick coyote]

WHAT THR FUCK ?????????

[slow crescent]

Oh, noo..... Another goo nerf 🙁 From when it start to be op? Its one of the most hardest spec to use

UPD: U Just shit up ALL my gameplay style with minigun and googun. now its literally unplayable cus i cant even prepare my gun.... oh, im so frustrated

[wide vortex]

Goo gun nerf before winch nerf 🤦🤦devs must lack some intellectual properties😂 and the F health pool is FINE. DONT TOUCH IT

[flat tusk]

------ Redditors eating up this HP balance update line --------

[woeful hedge]

Famas is godly now

[round isle]

I think if you burst a healing ball while held it should instantly give you 25-75hp and trigger regen. Also if bursted in hand it should follow the contestant instead of stay on the ground.

Same thing with pyro. If a pyro hits a player they should burst into flames and be guaranteed 100hp of damage to that player as tick, while still burning teammates or enemies even if nearby.

Also, in order to make the floating platform gadget more interesting I think you should add buttons on it for ascend/descend

[rustic snow]

omg! you ruined the game! the slide is cooked! and why do you need to balance the contestants? balance the guns. not the contestants! this is a fast paced game but you're making things slowers. the guns does not need bullets! it need TTK(time to kill)! devs having a hard time balancing guns so they change the contestants instead. I HAVE BEEN PLAYING THIS GAME SINCE BETA AND SPEND ALMOST 100k already on it. come on!

[tawny sedge]

Speaking facts there brother.

[trim vector]

why isnt it in quickcash? its hard to find a cashout game in oce...

[vivid mirage]

I really dislike that the videos that play on game startup are tied to your in game music volume setting. It doesn't make sense to me. I always miss out on the video audio because of this. Does anyone know where I can rewatch the videos that I missed audio from?

[hollow shuttle]

The goo nerf is UNACCEPTABLE.
It completely invalidates a set of high skill floor playstyles and makes them completely useless. These playstyles such as heavy sledge good gun were neither oppressive in high elo, nor had a high pick rate.
This is an unacceptable change that will make me stop playing if it isn't reverted.

[keen lily]

sliding is broken after todays patch, you randomly lose momentum and it feels omega ass

[fluid raptor]

this updated absolutely broke sliding and ruined movement. you'd better fix this asap via a hotfix. and while you're at it, PLEASE just decrease the friction and bring back sliding like back in OB. Movement is such a fun and integral part of skill expression in this game and by far one of the most unsatisfying things is how muddy and clunky sliding feels cuz of the insane friction.
also hitreg is worse than ever. while the desync isn't as bad as during the betas and S1, dealing damage feels insanely inconsistent, more than ever before. i don't know if the issue lies with the new weapon system or the old one or something else entirely but its frustrating as hell. speaking of frustrating and weapons: ever since this season started i've been having moments where i try to shoot but only shoot one bullet and then just stop shooting while still holding down m1, still adsing. i'm not sure if its caused by too many inputs; it seems to mostly happen when i try to slidejump into ads shooting but either way its absolutely detrimental when it happens.

also: NERF WINCH BRO its low skill, hitbox is still broken as shit and constantly hits u when it shouldn't and as a light you're dead to a single q press 9 times out of 10. Decrease the stun at least. Nerfing goo gun before nerfing winch is genuinely insane.

[honest harbor]

I suggest adding a hunger games theme with new weaponary like spears and actuall fans to hand combat. Also add a new game mode about hunger games with a cornucopia and all the contestants in a circle and when the game starts they have to run into the middle of an area which contains a cash box, canisters, and land mines. You should also add hunger game mutts which are practically hostile mobs. I also recommend you adding poisonous for that appears in the game randomly or some lighting that can target a player. If you are adding the hunger games theme add the characters like Katniss, Peeta, Haymitch, and Gale.

[odd walrus]

I just want to put out there that sword is now unplayable against anyone who has half a brain cell there are no quick melee combos, they increased the amount of time needed between each part of a combo.

[wanton cipher]

Hello Embark, please fix your fucking server and ranked system.
I was ranking with my friend. He disconnected during the final round due to a game crash.
He tried to reconnect but failed because the game version had just been updated.
We won the 2v3, but he still got -750 RS as a punishment.
This is frustrating. Many of my friends have already left this game because of these issues.
Please don't penalize disconnections during Trio.

[echo radish]

Killing reshaper cycle without mentioning patch note is brutal

[last mirage]

they did not realize that this tech was also primarily used around mainly melee weapons and was hard enough to use overall for burst damage guns because of the swap speed and chambering for some guns not being viable BEFORE the changes. overall, they killed short ranged and melee heavy by doing this, but didn't get rid of the overall problems that goo grenades and goo guns did to cashout steals. overall, they just ruin sledgehammer heavy in casual matches, made it even harder for other melee classes to block incoming damage/catchup to people, and just didn't solve the problems that people hated around this tool. it is a bad change and it spits in the face of what changes they are planning to do to fix melee weapons in season 11. on top of this no quick melee after swinging a sledgehammer. no sliding while charging up a heavy melee attack for sledgehammer, no sliding while swinging melee weapons, for classes like light and medium. They killed sledgehammer, sword, dagger, and dual blade combos for no reason because of the quick melee being neutered and it didn't change ANYTHING FOR THE RANGED WEAPONS WHO THINKS OF QUICK MELEE AS AN AFTERTHOUGHT. Dash, Charge 'N Slam, APS Turret and stuff like Jump Pads and Shockwave, These were the Counter to being stunned by goo. yet some people in this thread think that this is a good change to something that was never a problem.

[lapis saddle]

EMBARK WHY CANT WE SLIDE WHILE HOLDING BACKSTAB ANYMORE ???

[summer rune]

embark killed all melee weapons without even mentioning it in the patch notes

[celest acorn]

Goo nerf is too much. Goo Sledge playstyle is dead now (I play on goo sledge 500 hours), this is literally one thing, that gave me the most fun.
If there no goo lock anymore, I drop this freaking game.

Why you not buff APS turrets? Why you not give goolock counters to movement specs? Like: dash on light and shockwave on medium will rip you out from goo lock. ITS OKAY. I KNOW THAT GOO GUN IS SOMETIMES IS TOO POWERFUL. BUT YOU RUIN VARIABILITY OF THE GAME, WITH YOU ARE PROUD OF.

NOW SLEDGE IS COMPLETE GARBAGE.
This playstyle is very rare, really good goo guners is even rarer, but it still nerfs the goo stun duration... I just dont have words to describe my frustration.

[feral shard]

The goo nerf is the last change that I needed
I drop the game

It's so frustrating waiting 4 seasons for some changes in the non-competitive scene

All the changes are focus on meta and people to not cry about some playstyles, they forget to make better:

Sword
Knife
Spear
Double blades
Sledgehammer
Data reshaper
Grenade

I don't know, keep doing whatever you want embark

[limber prairie]

Coming from somebody who’s played since launch, the healing meta has little to do with it, slow-firing weapons have always had to have really awkward balancing due to them deleting lights otherwise. Pike is a great example of this, doing pitiful ttk across the board to prevent it from wiping a specific class away instantly

[acoustic tartan]

WE NEED MORE OFFICIAL ART!!

[true void]

Heal beam & FAMAS combo firing bug

• After using the heal beam, switching back to the FAMAS will often make the gun fire the first burst unintentionally. This issue was fixed a while ago but has since come back with the release of S10.

Respec Order flawed philosophy

• Tightening the movement speed gap between the 3 classes for the sake of new players (who have not yet learned how to pace themselves properly, particularly Lights) goes against part of the design philosophy that has made the 3 classes feel unique and powerful in their own ways. Shrinking the stratification of movement speed and health pools will lead to a more dull experience for both Heavy and Light players. Let Heavys be slow and tanky, and let Lights be fast and weak. If folks want a middle ground between the two, Medium exists.

Ranked RS system is flawed

• If players place at their seeding, they should not be losing RS. Further, something ought to be done to combat the amount of smurf/alt accounts there are in ranked. Often times, I will be 1st or 2nd seed going into the match thinking I have a good shot at winning, only to get slammed by the 7th seed with 3 players who are on low level accounts. A possible solution is to require all new users to link a phone number to their account before they can begin playing ranked.

[arctic bay]

W BALANCE PATCH NOTES

[frigid horizon]

Goated goo nerf, now you can fight back against people that do nothing but spam goo and hold you in place

Next update you guys gotta deal with spear and flamethrower, it'd be super cool if you guys did that

[dreamy ore]

Please go back to the original goo!

[quaint elbow]

I like these changes especially heavy vs heavy, but now the sniper is op, one shotting heavy to the head, and two taps on the torso. But the other weapons like the BFR and the ks 23 still feel good against light.

[foggy orbit]

revert the update changes to goo, quick melee, and sliding, you've destroyed melee

[zealous pine]

lwk im loving these changes

[abstract thunder]

So you can’t trap someone in goo for 1 second anymore 🥺 but you can still just insta kill them with charge slam instead 👍

[violet ledge]

EMBARK DONT LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE
the goo nerf was absolutely needed!
maybe a tad overtuned?
But nerfing its duration of trapping someone is still a goated change, being stuck in goo is a miserable experience, in a competitive fps not having any ability to fight back is horrid

[strange inlet]

Hi, I have 2 recommendations:

Make Arn-220 "Hollow fine print" compatible with the animations: "on the flip side" and "double up".
The Hollow fine prints animations are deafult and I dont see a reason why these animations wouldnt be compatible with the skin.

Also,
could u make combat cleaners make heel sound while sprinting and walking.

I dont think this would alter gameplay but it sure would give A LOT of satisfaction hearing the heels.

[upper vortex]

One of the worst patches so far
goo locking nerf making melee even less viable than it was

[waxen spruce]

Just wanted to share a bug I found: the new change to slide speed threshold will sometimes cause your character to "buckle" when initiating a slide at very low speeds, wherein your character will initiate the slide animation, but it will instantly end after a tenth of a second and return you to crouch state. It makes feedback very poor on when you are capable of sliding.

[young hatch]

This solo queue playing against only pre made 3 stacks in quick cash is becoming boring. Average wait time 1 minute, and that’s what I was getting, do ok against pre mades… then a 6 minute queue time to vs sweatier pre made 3 stacks all above level 100, while my team is solo queue low levels.

[tawny oak]

fps drops and stuttering STILL present in the older maps, please optimize them to the same as starlight hollow

[frigid elm]

also i find light melee weapons hitting enemies cannot perform quick melee attacks

[gray bough]

Why are we making heavy less tanky and giving light more hp?? At the end we will all be playing medium at this point

And i say this as a light main.. we dont need a hp buff.. light is the glass cannon class and heavy the tank one..

[winter turret]

Please add M4A1

[vagrant musk]

i dont understand the point of changing the light speed and adding 25 hp there is no point of it its like u gave less time for light to get out of fight but add 25 hp thats like nothing changed u just made light less light wich is stupid especially the heavy faster like its a heavy its supposed to be heavy why adding speed for it
iam a main light and since the dashes changed it just became soo un consistent and soo bad

[pale sand]

The movement speed changes being justified by a lack of skill from new players and inability to wait for their teammates feels a bit dumb. Considering instead that it's just to counterbalance the hp changes I think this is not a great approach. This game is one I would consider fairly asymmetrical and while not having both sides having access to completely different kits that the other does not. The speeds,hp values, weapons and gadgets of the classes being so radically different is a good thing. It gives them all a strong identity and very different playstyles and considerations when approaching fights. Please don't go in the direction of standardisation or blending the 3 classes closer together. I don't believe improving arrival times at objectives is a justifiable excuse for the movespeed reduction on light and although heavy feels much better now light feels painfully slow and has lost a lot of his advantage compared to the other classes which is one part that actually gives him the tools necessary to flank and outmanouvre opponents. 10 off light and 10 to heavy also = 20% change

Speaking specifically about weapon balance I think there's other ways to make balancing easier while not changing the core class identities. For example you could add differing levels of armor to each of the classes and then balance weapons with an armor penetration stat. This way you could specifically tune how good a weapon is against each class instead of trying to bring the classes closer together.

And I will say any sort of stun mechanic that doesn't really have any counterplay(Cant really 'dodge' goo gun shots or do much of anything once stuck) will feel oppressive and basically all heavy sledge players will disapprove of the goo nerf but I believe sledge should be made viable in another way which is maybe coming in the upcoming melee change. In the short term this will piss people off and some will probably leave too but for the long term health of the game I support it.

[warm sun]

This goo gun nerf is absolutely pathetic.

You’ve taken one of the few niche, high-skill playstyles in the game and completely butchered it for no valid reason. Goo gun + sledge was never oppressive, never overpicked, and never a problem at ANY rank, yet somehow this is what you decided to nerf.

Good goo gun players were already rare because the playstyle actually required skill, timing, and commitment. Now it just feels worthless. The stun nerf kills the entire setup and turns sledge into a joke.

I’ve been playing the game since season 1, and this is the first time I’ve ever felt the need to leave feedback on an update.

Terrible change. Revert it!

[frank holly]

How have you not fixed the red lag bug yet??????????????????????????

[torpid kindle]

revert goo change or else

[tender sail]

Have you guys checked for a gas leak in your building?

[covert halo]

Im not denying goo gun was very annoying in stalling and chaining goo stun, but goo gun sledge is a play style Ive been trying to master across multiple seasons, and all of my progress is dead now. A very sudden nerf that kills a niche play style that was already very difficult. Sucks.

[devout dawn]

you are fixing the stuff that isn't wrong. skill issue isn't balanced by lack of possible skill expression.
what you need to do is fix the matchmaking. a good change would be a two round cashout so you don't need 24 players with the best teams getting further.

[tame lance]

Lmao I saw heavy experimental 325 hp nerf. Surely we don’t let that go live right boys?

[wind flame]

Goo gun nerf has been needed forever, as the infinite stun alone on a player was too op for a gadget, let alone everything else it does. It's still a bit too OP in my opinion, with instant cover generation, unlimited cashout stall, and limiting playing choice in entering a room. Saw a guy say the goo gun nerf was pathetic, and think he's on some odd medicinal herbs or something, as you can still do a lot of stuff on it, but the most broken thing in any game (infinite stuns) has been slightly nerfed.

Lights feel too tanky now for their gun damage. Basically every gun on light has been buffed, as they get more shots off before they die, and every gun on medium and heavy has been nerfed against them, as they need more bullets. The movement speed change was good and needed, but HP currently makes lights the only logical choice to play. (Medium main here, followed by heavy).

Also, the reshaper barrel order is random now, that's most likely a bug, but wanted to mention anyway.

[viscid zealot]

Goo gun shouldve atleast be 0.4 so u atleast have time to swap to ur weapon and the goo gun was mostly used for 1v1s if it was a 2v1 u would lose most of the time and a medival season ruined all the melee weapons cuz of shockwave and why remove it now when ppl are getting used to using it its been in the game for a while now so why remove it when it already became the most creative specialisation and dagger not being able to one shot combo heavys cuz of the 1.5 second quick melee delay on melee weapons and it would be nice to get a refund to the money spent on this game for this to ruin melee weapons like sledge sword and dagger

[brittle crystal]

yo, its only me or the sliding feels bad with light now? like you get stopped so early when you try to run into slide too early?

[hollow oasis]

The new potential changes seem great, but please also consider restructuring the bracket system in world tour and ranked. The 4 team modes are just not fun. Perhaps 3 or 2 team games, or, raising the amount of money per kill so that cashouts aren't the only source of winning the game.

[stone jolt]

Why did devs add a delay of 1.5 seconds between a melee weapon attack and a quick strike?
This change did not affect ranged weapons, I believe that this is as unfair as possible and kills melee gaming with a weapon such as a sword and others
I just hope this is a bug and it will be fixed, omg

[spring plank]

This update is honestly a step in the right direction. The changes to light and heavy actually feel noticeable in-game. Light having more HP helps survivability, and even with the slight movement nerf it still feels fair. Heavy losing HP while getting a bit more movement also feels like a good tradeoff. Overall, the balance feels way better than before and fights feel more even now. This is definitely a good update and a move in the right direction.

That said, winch is still a huge problem and needs to go, no matter what. It’s way too oppressive and there’s barely any counterplay. Getting winched removes your ability to react, cancels your actions, and forces you into a guaranteed losing fight against a heavy. It’s the same kind of frustrating mechanic that stun gun had, except even worse, and stun gun already got removed.

Right now almost every heavy is running winch because of how strong and easy it is to use, and it just shuts down lights completely and even mediums in many situations. That kind of ability doesn’t belong in a game that’s supposed to reward skill and counterplay.

Either remove winch entirely, or bring back stun gun so there’s at least some balance between the classes. But in its current state, winch is not healthy for the game at all.

[versed hazel]

if this respec were pushed out at the start of the season people would not have been so upset that only medium got new shit

[vocal prairie]

Whatever you did to sliding please undo when trying to do slides I was had no problem doing 100% of the time pre patch, I now frequently will get frames of the expected speed but then will be pulled back. It feels very bad. Heres what someelse has posted that what it looks like for them so I assume the pull back im getting is from ping #⚡┇the-finals-chat message

[molten canyon]

I WISH WE COULD ALSO CONNECT TO MUSIC PLATFORMS (SOUNDCLOUD DEEZER) LIKE WE CAN WITH STREAMING PLATFORMS SUCH AS DISCORD AN TWITCH

[lilac minnow]

I know that many of you don't like to play against sword. I would have appreciated a nerf of the primary attack to increase the skill floor. But why in heavens name did they just crash the skill ceiling with this update?! It isnt even mentioned in the patch notes. Sword was too strong in low elo and too weak in high elo. Now sword is fully lobotomized.

[deep wigeon]

Dear Embark:
Revert the goo lock change and I have a better suggestion to negate the stun problem.

Add a system where if a player was locked with goo 4 times, they get immunity to getting locked again for 5 seconds, essentially killing the goo stunning, but keeping goo locking alive.

Goo locking is a corner stone for goo sledge heavies, and a corner stone to goo gun players who are (btw) very very rare! you guys keep increasing highly used automatics ammo counts every patch notes, while nerfing rare playstyles over and over.
please listen to this suggestion and think it through!

[delicate crypt]

Slight movement change you say eh, from a difference between 1m/s from each class (8 for L, 7 for M, 6 for H) we directly to 0.2m/s from L to M and 0.4 from M to H, that means 0.6 from L to H when before the change is 2m/s. They fool you with 10% that seems a little but if make the math, with 12.5% reduction the L would have the same speed as the M. So guys before saying "slight change" learn how the math works

[limpid remnant]

for the love of god dont make the event changes permanent

[weary pine]

New slide sucks! Please revert the slide nerf!

[spark crown]

MESH SHIELD IS BUGGED CANT SLIDE WITH MESH OUT

[paper root]

They killed the bow with the health changes, The bow can't 1v1 any lights anymore.

[clear moat]

REVERT THE GOO NERF!!!! THE GOO GUN IS USELESS NOW 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[torpid yew]

revert the hp and speed changes please. holy crap light feels so weird to play and my muscle memory is fu'd

[still yacht]

fix the servers

[manic oak]

the amount of smurfs in this game is just insane. cheaters. smurfs. horrible matchmaking still. cant understand why they don't do more about this. understandable that new players don't continue playing. when giga sweat smurfs and cheaters. and high rank players ruin every casual game mode there is. every casual mode now. alot of low level players. and then 1 or 2 giga smurfs who farm the entire map all game. theres no gameplay in that. just ruins it for casual players and new players. terrible gameplay. hope they do something about the smurfing issue in this game. cz its getting out of hand. just like the cheater issue has been for many seasons. atleast alittle less cheaters now. but alot more smurfs.

[pseudo warren]

Embark needs sanbox version for players where they implement these new changes... And GIVE US COMPELETE OVERHOALS... with hp pool change should have come weapon balance change for EVERY WEAPON.....

Not to mention the one thing you changed is 93r... Can you think for a love of god?

93r was the most hated and op weapon during majors EVERYONE WAS SAYING IT... You changed it... good..... What did you do next? Revert it to being meta again...

Like can you please hire someone who thinks further than one step ahead?

[dark niche]

93r buff ❤️‍🩹 ❤️‍🩹

[outer linden]

Shockwave has had a very noticeable change in how the ability functions. Compared to the amount of verticality you would get before, it is almost nothing with this new patch. It also feels like the specialization now has a speed cap on it as well. I’m sure this wasn’t intended, as it was not stated in the patch notes, but I think it is very important to fix this. The use for shockwave is to launch yourself and players in directions, with the added bonus of knocking over gadgets, but when you take away the speed and verticality of the specialization then it completely kills it and just incentivizes everyone to run Demat and Data reshape, as you’ll get the perks of being able to knock gadgets away (but even better, you completely erase them), and now you have the ability to make openings. This effectively kills the shockwave and I really don’t see this ever being used by Medium players, if not addressed.

[fluid birch]

Lmao not only did they kill my goo hammer they also ruined shockwave?

[sand kayak]

There is no way to tell what category a weapon belongs to in the game. LMG, SMG, AR, etc. Some are obvious but new players aren't going to know what counts as a launcher or explosive.

[cyan torrent]

so you can no longer quick melee to cancel melee weapon attacks but you can still do it with every gun in the game? just a net nerf to melee and a middle finger to skill expression

[brave pawn]

Guys im lagging

[thorny lynx]

Your game is stupid and pointless. You have 0 braincell employees. You make idiotic changes that mean nothing. Your game is infested with cheaters. You dont take action on problems that have been since s1. You dont care about ANY of your player base. You are a terrible company Embark. So many of us believed in you down to this final straw.... you are absolutely the worst. Playing your game is like eating firecrackers. Every single update is proof you have zero understanding of the identity of this game and have lost 100% of what it should/could have been. Curses upon you all

[scenic kiln]

get rid of the whole thing where the song changes when you queue. Cant listen to half the songs cuz of it.

[sterile canopy]

This patch's unlisted spear changes are really weird. The spin cancelling, okay, but the left click has recieved three seperate nerfs, none of which were in the patch notes!

• Why can we no longer slide and move properly while attacking? You just crouch. Someone can now just run away from you easily (since the lunge barely seems to activate in most cases) and you're easier to gun down. Being unable to dance around players like before feels like a pointless nerf that weakens how fun the weapon is to use.

• The RPM of the left click got shadow nerfed! This might have been in the patch that changed its animation for S10, I don’t know. But a sequence of five hits used to take ~3.02 seconds from first input to final hit particles, now it's ~3.36 seconds! Look: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1333886179418050650/1494330997217693780/5hits.mp4?ex=69e237b1&is=69e0e631&hm=4d327443773d8573c828450a61af3de6115f851b0d49ca3ab99802c96d954178& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1333886179418050650/1494330997922201722/5hits2.mp4?ex=69e237b1&is=69e0e631&hm=a41a559b5b5ad5d56e7cdf51b7881fd8e4c8180827e7cae371d79ce99cceeb96& I hope it wasn't intended.

• And, what the hell is up with the quick melee change? The left click attack is now substantially weaker just from this! Adding an additional ~0.3 seconds on to time to kill against medium and light. Buffing the spin while nerfing the left click in three different ways confuses me.

As a spear main, while the right click may feel nicer to use, I think this might kill the weapon for me if left clicks are just... this pathetic now

[hushed aspen]

The changes you did to slide feel terrible. Please revert it. Changing the movement speed of classes is fine, but you don't negatively change the movement feel. This isn't apex, being able to slide instantly after shooting just feels better and is more responsive especially when it comes to duelling. A small change that will significantly negatively impact this game and be noticed by others very quickly if not reverted immediately/ hotfixed

[round galleon]

I genuinely hope that this is not intentional but please fix quick melee not working on melees

If you think melee + qm oneshotting lights is a problem do you even play the game? There are like 5 other light weapons that can do the same m1 + qm combo and one shot a light so if you think sword or any of the other melees are a problem you genuinely gotta put on your thinking cap.

https://medal.tv/games/the-finals/clips/mwquSCsAuMXUo-bkE?invite=cr-MSxWUlUsMjYzMzczMzIz&v=33

[dim scroll]

Many thanks for the updated PSSR, really

[muted shard]

it feels so horrible and completly fucks up my movement and I dont think it was needed. Pls revert these changes, I wont play like that.

[ionic gorge]

Hi guys can someone help me ? my game crash after 5 min with this message

[upper citrus]

Fire your balancing team

[royal spear]

Change goo back

[pliant vessel]

Lost my discord account but I've been playing since OB on console.
Light does not need more health.
People who think so just shouldn't play light.
Health change is bad.
Good idea, keep trying new stuff for sure.
But this light buff is very bad imo

[potent pilot]

not being able to quick melee out of a melee weapon attack has been a frustrating unlisted change.
the margin for TTK in melee for riot shield, sword, and dual blades was already razor thin against prepared ranged opponents when you could quick melee combo. this especially hurts medium melee as they have worse options to escape bad engagements and heavily relied on QM to supplement melee weapon damage thresholds, and medium melee was already by far the worst option when compared to sword or sledge in terms of overall game impact and lethality within melee range.

[slow void]

Movement speed on the light feel horrible ... the 10% less feel like you have heavy shoes ...

Slide nerf and mouvements speed for Light feel really horrible, you can’t escape anymore, and it’s way harder to chase someone. Feel like there is no real reason to play Light cause movements are dull now ...

Best way to keep a good pace of the game imo is to keep light speed like before and add 10% speed to the medium maybe with a bit less HP and 10% speed to the heavy and HP like you did. This will make this game much more fun with the same speed cohesion idea like the one you tried in this world tour event. Maybe give it a try in a next test session and I'm pretty sure people will like it and make the game much more dynamic.💥

[frosty elbow]

yoo any Data Reshape users, some data reshape changes also not listed in the patch notes, usually healing balls > turn to red cans, but the new update make it randoms.

[tall loom]

where's thermal vision embark

[dapper pine]

Sliding is horrible after patch

[sleek forge]

Limit game feedback channel so that pisslow elo players cannot comment here

[native plinth]

is quick melee bugged out or you cant use them to cancel melee animations anymore? sword lunge and dual blade just got gutted even more with this change since you cant even quick melee someone to finish them off :/

[indigo star]

data reshaper now reshapes canisters RANDOMLY instead of in the order it was in before (i think). i didnt see this anywhere in the patch notes. was this unintended?

if not unintended PLEASE consider reverting this change, being able to memorize what canisters get turned into what created some really interesting and cool moments

[severe forge]

WHAT YOU ALL DID TO MOVEMENT

[shrewd egret]

Bring back the moovement like before , i hope its a bug

[verbal cairn]

just remove winch man its so dumb. 12m killzone for light nice and balanced. also servers feel like they are dying today. all things considered terrible finals day. i think its better to just revert todays patch and do it next week when shit works instead of this garbage

[bright knoll]

shockwave nerf and no mention in the notes? what the FUCK?

[queen junco]

If the movement is not bugged add trigger delay to each weapon next patch embark

[ruby harness]

After new update there is a **bug **with melle weapons (sword, spear, riot shield...), after attack or lunge i cant perform elbow melle attack , kind of breaking the combos for every melle weapon in the game. I think it's **bug **because i cant see this changes in UPDATE 10.3.0 change log.

[odd prism]

I think we’re gonna need to buff goo gun atp with all of the nerfs to goo as of late.

[placid vapor]

Head2Head back, genuinely was my go to mode to play a quick game without too many 3rd parties. Game feels stale with almost no modes. Esp after they told us 2 seasons ago they gonna focus on adding more but they just remove shit instead

[slender pine]

booooooooo yall fucked up goo gun boooooooooooo f u devs

edit: goo doesn't even stop steals anymore. yall are SO BAD at your jobs

[hollow barn]

Change the goo stuck for players from 0.2 to 0.5 atleast. It has so overnerfed to my opinion.

[timber nova]

Why remove the ability to pair the "lava look-see" mask with the open visored atlyn helmets?

[crude current]

Make medium 5% faster

[idle compass]

[daring fossil]

keep checking patch notes every week, Double-barrel nerf still hasn't been adjusted or reverted, looks like you broke everyone elses play style this patch too anyways. Be back next week. Maybe one day I can justify reinstalling this game.

@crude jasper my feedback isn't for you. mind your own business. peak toxic finals community.

[desert merlin]

Sliding feels off now, quick melee combos have a weird delay on them now where the melee animation must be finished before being able to quick melee with the sledge. You also now have to slide either at the same time as the sledge's heavy swing or before. You can no longer slide after your heavy swing animation has begun like you used to. None of this was mentioned in the patch notes so I figured I would mention it here. There is still a bug with the sledge and charge and slam combo where I teleport 50 feet away. It has never felt so clunky to use a sledge and I've been using it since season 1

[crude jasper]

Ok, goodbye

[vagrant silo]

What team number do I need to get into if I’m on the police force?

[ivory rapids]

how swiftly does embark do hotfixes in situations like these? wondering if ill be able to slide today or i need to take a break tday

[flint granite]

We need harsher consequences for people who rage quit and leave during a match.

[wind reef]

please fix the sliding

[lofty scarab]

is the quick melee delay intended or is did embark not even test the patch? (seems like its not intended as ive read on other channels now)

[obsidian zenith]

hats off to the loading time optimization, i can now actively combat the trash servers when i get the lag bug

[late grail]

Guys, did you change the DATA RESHAPER cycle on canisters? Healing used to always change to red canister, now it is changing glitch. PLEASE, change it back!!! I did not learn the whole cycle for nothing!! Also, BRING BACK HEAD TO HEAD. Thank you, other then that, great job ❤️

[dusty igloo]

The goo gun nerf was far too harsh.
25% of how the gun was since release is the wrong nerf, goo sledge has been fully lobotmised, I can hardly catch up in a test scenario where they simply run in a straight line away from me, if a player does ANYTHING then I can not get to them.
If you were to nerf the goo gun, I argue that it should be a mag size nerf, as you rarely have to actually reload in a fight.
0.2 second means that gooing an enemy (which was somehow not intended, despite it being in the game since launch, and with how I have none stop used it against many devs) is absolutely nothing for actual combat. It should be reverted, and instead make the goo gun mag size smaller as goo gun is almost never reloaded in combat, or when it is, its very safe and fast.
Whats even worse is that the winch is still basically untouched, its still over powered, its still meta, how can you nerf goo gun before nerfing the winch, like hello?

[jade pawn]

This was not a balance, you guys just buffed the Light class, Light has more Health, buff weapons and heavy got nerf def and lower Health now. Jump on a lobby and you will notice by the amount of light players.
Thank you for helping us making THE FINALS A BETTER EXPERIENCE

[lavish cloud]

Fix the slide immediately! The current slide is completely unacceptable. I can't slide right after firing, can't slide right after closing the scope, and can't even use the slide with the Mesh Shield specialization! This ruins everything! Fix the slide immediately! Fix the slide immediately! Fix the slide immediately!

[restive echo]

Please revert the light buff; the little "scaredy-cat" now only has 75 HP less than the medium version and a hitbox twice as small. You can't be serious.

[lone holly]

Now any medium that isnt running shockwave will not be able to save themselves from getting shredded by winch shak heavies bec of how fast the goo disperses.

and better yet, any aggressive playstyles involving goo gun are objectively dead: Goo Sledge, Goo Flamethrower, Goo Spear and Goo MGL. Just what were the balancing team thinking before releasing the balancing patch? Do you guys even play your own game?

[compact plank]

The animations for melee weapons are bugged, from my understanding it seems you cannot interrupt any part of the animation now
This extends to trying to Quick Melee during the attack, which is required for many combos with melee weapons, but it also extends to just chaining together melee attacks in general
M1 chains on dagger, sword, especially spear, all feel slower now because, I assume, you could previously begin the second M1 during the end of the first M1, whereas now you need to wait for the first M1 to finish completely
Similarly, doing an M1 after an M2 also feels slower
Hope this gets fixed ASAP alongside the slide issues

[versed dagger]

thanks for making melee heavy worse, and for making winch even more dominant, good work guys

[dry hill]

The stun reduction from 0.8 to 0.2 is a terrible change.

While you will have the typical "it was overpowered" complaint, the fact is that it really isn't.

For one, actually executing it in practice is extremely difficult to do consistently both due to it's projectile nature and the terrible server desync; anyone who disagrees with this has in practice only ever used it against stationary targets

Secondly, it was already easy to counter in tons of different ways, such as simply holding literally any object while looking at the heavy and the blobs bounce off, dashing, pad, winch...

Using a goo gun in itself means you aren't dealing any damage, a shot that you have to aim at an enemy is a shot with a gun that could've dealt damage, on top of giving the enemy temporary invulnerability during the process.

This change does nothing to stop cashout steal stalling.

The only thing keeping hammer alive at a high level was goo's combat ability, it was insanely difficult to pull off consistently, and a reduction in the stun time was not the way to go about this; the ammo should've simply been reduced if anything or given the h+ infuser charge mechanic

Goo gun is now a completely useless spec. The only thing keeping it barely alive was its stunning ability which itself is incomparably useless compared to winch.

The reinforcing a room part has always been useless for over 6 seasons since they implemented the buildings collapsing under their own weight, on top of it already being hard countered by a single demat player or charge and slam.

So given that it is now completely useless in combat and de facto worthless for reinforcing anything since indoors cashboxes don't exist at a high level as winch players toss them to orbit in the middle of nowhere, what purpose does it serve anymore?
There WAS counterplay even with the previous stun time as melee hammer attacks had more delay than the actual stun time, making jump pad, dash and winch cancels an option and thus skill issue

[mild gull]

New world tour event feels amazing! Way more cohesion!

Also yeah, goo gun change is very bad; goo gun was very balanced where it was

[edgy needle]

Healing Beam Suggestion

Medigun's right click could have an overcharge on a long-ish cooldown that boosts a fully healed (important condition) teammate's health by like 20%, but that boost immediately starts ticking back down to their original full health (even if they're not being shot) over 5 to 10 seconds - could make for more intentional teamfights, requires a certain thoughtfulness and timing before an engagement, not during, and gives a medium with it equipped more reason to utilise it and keep their teammates healed up

[eager gyro]

• Ranked should have 1 less round (24 → 12 players)

One Cashout round followed by head-to-head matches → 1v2 & 3v4 → 2v3.

• Map Voting

Every mode should have it (Overwatch approach).

• Anti-Smurf Detection

If a new account clearly performs above its skill level, it should be moved to higher-skill lobbies instead of facing new players. Repeated smurfing should lead to bans.

• Duplicate + naming features for loadouts

Similar to outfits.

• Queuing & Latency suggestions

1. Show queue population and fix estimates.
2. Show region to the entire party while queuing.
3. Fix having to sync region with party leader so that you don't have lag.
4. Show ping / packet numbers in game. Yellow/Red indicators don't have any value.

• Accessibility

Footsteps and cashout steal sounds are hard to hear because other sounds often mask them.
Add accessibility options to:

1. Increase those volumes
2. Flash a bigger and noticable red light in the top left of the screen when a cashout is being stolen

• Bugs

1. Chat censoring. Some normal words get censored while insults pass since the chat was introduced to the game.
2. Hard-stuck bug after finding a game. Workaround is to restart the game, and bug has been around for several seasons.
3. Friend List is completely bugged. It shows friends connected when they are not, or playing/queueing when they are not. Introduced this season.

• Polls & Roadmap

Players who invest time/money should influence direction (OSRS approach), not only the pro scene. Game needs more focus on casual.
It is great that you finally added a roadmap. Thank you. Keep doing that!

[uncut hedge]

BUFF LIGHT? EMBARK IS DUMB?

[short cipher]

Did they break Deep Pocket trophy on ps5?
PSN counter just stopped

[fickle oracle]

bro. why u nerf goo from 0.8 to 0.2? it's incomprehensible. heavy, which have goo gun, which goo gun is a hardly used weapon. if heavy use goo gun, they must equip hammer or Flamethrower. you nerf goo from 0.8 to 0.2 , is furthermore nerf goo gun. do not nerf goo from 0.8 to 0.2. ty .

[drifting pawn]

when you are disconnected from a match, you shouldn't be dead when you reconnect if you were alive. why not just leave your character in an idle state when you are disconnected, and if you reconnect before someone has killed you, you can just resume from where you left? if the other 2 teammates on the team die, that can still count as a wipe and kill the idle/disconnected player then if they are still disconnected.

[dense willow]

Please stop catering literally all of your balancing decision to bad players

[scarlet pilot]

Is it new for you?

[topaz harbor]

in my opinion any light nerf is good a nerf regardles of context, bringing all classes closer together in health is a good idea
also point break desprerately needs some attention as well, you need to implement spawn points like in Battlefield where players choose where to spawn, as it stands now it just feels random and it feels incredibly frustrating, also consider bringing spawn points closer or at least shorten the respawn time

[mortal owl]

25th time asking for more loadout slots insted of outfit slots. ALSO ADD INPUT BUFFERING TO DEMAT why tf are yall adding it to data reshaper when its demat we've been complaining about

[faint saddle]

I refuse to believe Embark ever plays on the test version of their own patches, let alone actually tries to use slide or play their own melee weapons. It feels like the developers are AKM clankers, droids, or stormtroopers, whatever you want to call it, and they don’t test functionality past “hey, guns shoot? yes, guns shoot good. okay, make update go live.”

And then the design team feels like they have no hands whatsoever, or the devs and even the CEO are just completely disconnected, overpaid, and don’t care about their own product. Because I would put so much love and care into this game if I could work on it.

Seeing this patch go live has genuinely made me lose a lot of the remaining hope and the flicker of light and faith I had in Embark, the design and balancing department. I fully expect the melee rework to just end up being an M1-only melee weapon, with alternate fire removed, no quick melee functionality, and nothing beyond holding M1 with some absurd melee lunge like Apex had it, completely stripping away any skill expression, and still calling it a “melee rework.”

And honestly, at this point I’d be happy if it’s anything else. Or even if it just stayed in its current state and got no changes at all, because how do you mess up this much in a single update? Changing melee and slight movement like this, and it all goes live with no hotfix, no rollback announcement, no acknowledgement even after hours of feedback.

And on top of that, an esports announcement on the same day, while the core gameplay has this little functionality stability and this many issues, just makes it feel even more disconnected from what’s actually going on in the game.

https://youtu.be/lnLs72gTDDM?is=bNlsw7jbl8toRS97

[hexed crown]

I just have a round that 20000(me) score vs 50000(ruby) score, I lose, and this makes me derank. WTF?

[wise rain]

Took a break for several months
has spent way too much money already in the game

see the awesome fantasy cosmetics and consider buying the UBP again
Come back to play some ole goo sledge one trick
find out every part of my niche playstyle is either nerfed or bugged
sliding and movement across the board is screwed
consider skipping my favorite themed season just because I'm losing hope on balancing.

[modern sage]

The light class getting more health is complete garbage, now cashout is just all triple light swords.

[plush fjord]

Make defib a spec and heal beam a gadget.
Demat glazers like me will reconsider picking defib bcz they want demat
So less ppl use defib
Profit

Yeah ik this was corny, but it had to be done💔

[warm epoch]

it is comical to see that embark thinks this game is even close to esports ready

[waxen thicket]

Please, quit the game and play something else if you're really that stressed about it. Games are supposed to be played for fun, not frustrations and negativities. This toxic obsession with a video game is very bad for one's mental health, especially considering there are so many other f2p fps on the market.

It's a 1 week experiment, buddy. You don't have to force yourself play this, play something else meanwhile. And if you feel hopeless, just quit and play another game.

Edit: and if you're not playing rn, then why even waste time on the Discord server? That's even more wasteful of time.

[sick pier]

Ig light model would have to increase a bit too to make it fairer, that’s definitely something to consider. can’t just blindly increase HP on a class that is much more difficult to hit.
but i do agree with the premise of making the health differences less drastic, its better for balancing if weapons are balanced around it

[magic steppe]

True. update broke half of the game a specially for melee players such as I
Killing melee while medieval season is hurting(

[fringe heron]

NICE now remove the lights its simple!

[sonic spoke]

holey patch notes! lots of effort and work from the team Great work!

[fossil sapphire]

The nerf on reshapes cycle of in map canisters - changing from an order to random… please explain why you had to do this?! I’m already one of very few people that use reshape and now this happens to it😤😤 please revert it back to having a set order!!

[jolly dagger]

please add bigger size hats to merch store ✌️✌️✌️✌️✌️✌️✌️✌️✌️✌️✌️✌️

[daring breach]

no its not, ive been playing cahsout all morning and havent run into 1 triple light team, let alone a sword lmao

[dim hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1312993706701492256/1386913185172291666/da6de031-6b13-47e3-b051-ae01b5ad21dc.webp

[honest wing]

bro isnt even playing the game rn

[dark flicker]

embark pls revert the slide and quick melee stuff respec order is already bad enough 😭

[true hornet]

You removed the ability to quick melee after a sledgehammer swing and added a full second delay. This game is fucking uninstalled for good and I genuinely hope you are all laid off and replaced by indians

[muted plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/an-iq-too-high-raven-crow-tiktok-gif-3869671553367641450

[hard magnet]

Please remember that this is a change limited to world tour! World Tour has long been getting events and such that stir and shake up the way the game feels! Even if this is a change focused more on testing than other usual events I still think it is rather immature for people to claim that the game will die within a week for a change that is limited to world tour.

I play all 3 classes quite frequently and I am enjoying all of the changes, with acknowledgements that there are and will be issues to address before even trying to change the health pools. Constructive criticism is what is needed in this channel. I agree with @waxen thicket's response/take to @faint saddle, being that it isn't the end of the world, and I also find it very disheartening to see gelz say the developers and design team don't care about their game (it is genuinely sad to see the work of embark fall on deaf ears, the fact that the game has been going strong for 10 seasons, had/has an esports league, is commercially successful, and has an open channel for anyone who plays to submit feedback, whether they've played for 10, 100, or 1000 hours. That, to me, is proof beyond a shadow of a doubt that they care.) Although bracken's message was a bit rude of a response, I also agree that you can simply play a different gamemode, or play a different game for the week.

I think that changing the health pools would be beneficial, both to the health of the game and to the credit of the devs being able to balance weapons much more effectively. Embark, I look forward to testing out the event and I currently find the changes very fun, playing as every class.

Final note though, please revert the data reshaper nerf, it was already an underutilized gadget, making it random what barrel you get when reshaping another barrel feels really bad, especially after putting in the time to memorize the cycle that it follows, please revert that specific change embark. Thank you to anyone who read this

[vale raven]

This

[stray wing]

wtf is this patch genuinly. Do you hate your game? Do you hate this creation this much or what? no slide while after or before shooting? The quickmelee stuff? One of googuns main usecases, a feature since season one just nuked out of existence? Im not the only one who is mad, this patch is just horrendous. You guys made several times questionable patches and changes and somehow i was still fine with it but this now is just a joke. I consider deinstalling this game. Is the great surprise for season 12 to kill the game and making it unplayable?

[obtuse summit]

Light shouldn’t have gotten a HP buff while having a smaller hurtbox, it’s got insanely good and fast paced weapons with two weapons that can practically one shot.
Lights are meant to be glass canons with that 150 HP and really quick dmg weapons (or one shots), buffing the health even if it was just 25 hp made them significantly harder to kill since Lights are heavily mobility based.
Game already has somewhat inconsistent hurtboxes vs hitboxes, buffing characters with mini hurtboxes doesn’t do anything besides make the game not as fun.

I wanna make a quick note to anyone who reads this: treating the devs negatively and getting overly angry over a free game doesn’t make any dev listen, I’m a developer.
Be nice and get your point across properly.

[bleak vortex]

Hhe health change seems nonsensical. the justification being "lights get to the fight first and then die in a 3v1" that's a player issue not the light class, its not like you are limited to holding max sprint at all times. if this is the justification just remove classes and make everyone a medium. The classes should be different. making everything more similar is ridiculous. The balance in the game is something that revives a lot of praise, ttk is fairly even and most things have solid counters. Now a lot of that has been thrown out the window. I have 300 hours in the game, 80% of that is as a light. I am by no means good but survivability as light has never been an issue for me. the speed and specializations are the reason the light does not need more health. removing speed and adding health just makes the light less light and takes away from the class. I really hope this change does not become permanent.

[hushed blade]

the goo nerf is the last straw, goodluck embark, seems like nerfing niche playstyles is something to be expected from now on. Goodbye creativity, welcome call of duty. I thought this was a dynamism shooter. Nothing speaks more to your audience than telling them that anything other than the poke/long ranged meta isn't gonna cut it. Why not make melee weapons completely unviable that it never even makes a single pick in the grand major.

[neon oak]

I could just copy and paste what i stated here
https://x.com/AkaixKumo/status/2044520706814189604

but also a better alternative for goo, particularly goo gun is to make the stun just 0.4 and cut a little of the ammo capacity for goo gun, the problem of people bringing goo nades is not for the sake of reinforcing but because they use it actively to just do a stun, it was a bit slept on in early seasons because people didn't see how hard they were to deal against.
particularly goo locking or stunning wouldnt be as bad if the incentive for bringing anything else other than it was better, apparently no one understands that flames can clear them and is a good way to prevent the reset stalling.

The matter is not people not being able to counter it but rather people defaulting to a common set of weapons and gadgets that don't allow it that turned into "meta"

❤️ Akai & Kumo 🤍 (@AkaixKumo)

I got mad over the new event #thefinals announced because it shows that not only players but the devs take the wrong direction in terms of balancing, its not about +-5% increases to make "variety" among the generalists, neither about health differences
- K thread

X · Apr 15, 2026, 8:58 PM

[ebon monolith]

Please tell me that the goo gun nerf is a joke or a mistake. It can't even stop a cashout steal anymore. I have approx 1000 hours played with the goo gun and I loved this game for its niche playstyles. It was one of the most fun I have had in any game ever. And why cant embark just tweak the values a little if they feel the "stun" was op. Maybe drop it down to 0.6 first and see how it plays out. I really hope that the inability to stop steals with the goo gun is a bug again.

[tender tulip]

"I have not played it and I don't need to play to prove that at any stage of "skill" in this game, be it with an incentive for winning ("pro") or at casual level. Lights are the most likely to have the most kills, or at least higher damage dealt and kill credit in scoreboard"

🤡

[summer rune]

https://youtu.be/lnLs72gTDDM?si=tkrE5YZyUSDZ25ap

[queen hawk]

The combination of sliding tackles and close combat weapons with fast close combat is completely ineffective. Is this what you call balance? It would be better not to do it at all👎👎👎

[old minnow]

I don’t know if this is just in practice range, but you can no longer quick melee while attacking with melee weapons

[sonic arrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1281411010846265374/1494029893707759767/IMG_7783.gif

Also thank you for the goo nerf

[meager ridge]

idk about all the balence changes yet but this new patch messed up my cosmetics i can no longer wear the VAIIYA PROCEDURE mask with the TRADITIONS EDGE. i used to be able to combine these 2 pieces together and now all of a sudden it gets taken off and doesnt work anymore

[simple abyss]

The fuck is going with goo. I guess yall want us to go back to cod

[sage musk]

Please bring back 'Bank It' game mode please 🥺

[gleaming tendon]

The Golden Kitsune mask has been messed up since S10 started. You used to be able to wear the halos with it but they just remove it now.(edit nevermind it's fixed)

[open elm]

They really buffed Light Hp before reworking winch, tuning snipers in Power shift, nuking DB, fixing the delay on Demat, and optimizing the game. Than im hearing rumours that y’all are adding bot lobbies next season. Yeah its chalked 😭😭😭😭

[wintry patrol]

#📣┇respec-order-feedback please go in here instead of filling up this channel 😭

[slow shard]

Hello! I wanted to ask if by chance anyone else has noticed an issue with ping in their rounds after this patch? I tried testing my connection in other games and it seems fine like always, but The Finals have been super ROUGH today. Unusually high pings every round which was rare in my case before. I'm trying to figure out if this is an issue with just my connection or an issue with the game.

[golden badger]

Every update need to fuck something in the finals "lag servers anything"

[summer bluff]

900+ hours in this game. If light hp buff becomes permanent I will quit.

[tranquil karma]

The justification behind the hp/movement changes are lowkey pretty bad imo.

Reason 1: lights run away from their team too much and die in 1v3s. This is literally just a skill issue and not a “good” reason to make them slower and give them more health.

Reason 2: to make it easier to balance things between classes. Come on guys this one is just lazy, the large gap between classes makes them distinct and allows for very different playstyles. I play medium but not everyone wants to.

Don’t even get me started on the goo nerf, I can understand it breaking earlier to keep the gameplay flowing but not being able to stall steals is a big deal.

Also movement/melee is broken. Great.

After a great launch to season 10 this is a solid two steps in the wrong direction

[pure arrow]

Playing MGL is pretty much dead now. A goo stall was perfect for opening the distance back up when an enemy got too close. Now that’s dead.

My thing is they say it was never intended to stick people but Embark waited 10 seasons (almost 3 years) to “fix it” at that point it should’ve been left alone. Or maybe .6 or .4 but .2 doesn’t even stop their momentum now. Please reevaluate this..

[idle cosmos]

its not just the hp and movement speed if this becomes permanent they said they will rebalence everything
and with their resoning for movement values theyd have to nerf lights movement abilitys

[regal forge]

this update is genuinely worse than s3

[hollow sierra]

can u guys tuned down the engagement matchmaking pls, u are making my W pointless and my L also pointless, it's so agressive that i dont get to play the game either when im on rigged W or rigged L, ty.
(if yall still making good money, feel free to skip, but if game is not racking in bags then maybe 👉 👈 jk skip anyway, this channel is a skip pit for complain that yall dont want to see anywhere else)

[west skiff]

BRING BACK HEAD 2 HEAD
and un-nerf goo!

[novel trench]

Keep the goo stun nerf, it’s about time but took 2 years.
Bring Head2Head back though that gamemode was awesome.

[astral snow]

the red lag is back -_-

[gritty jetty]

there is no eomm you just play inconsistently

[signal temple]

I think the hover pad would feel much smoother to use if it worked more like a zipline—based on a cooldown system, allowing you to place a new one even if another is already active, with the previous one simply disappearing.

Right now, it’s mostly used for single parkour moves, but it feels clunky: after using it, you have to pull out the tablet, hold a button to remove the hover pad, and then you still have a 4-second cooldown anyway.

[jaunty flax]

GIVE US CHINESE CHUCK

[sterile plank]

Please fix Shockwave. Not viable anymore, it's real bad

[flat plaza]

The change to Sliding has disabled sliding while using the healbeam.. not sure if that was a bugfix?

[long oxide]

melee slide nerf, goo gun nerf. what stats r the devs looking at

[polar blaze]

This is so true. I don’t want to be jut a smaller slightly faster medium if I want to ply light. Ik every single gun they said would be adjusted to compensate but cmon… they already have trouble balancing and they throw this into it and it’s like starting from square one. Not to mention the new med specs already make it so mediums movement rivals light players. I gauruntee most classes will all swap to medium making it genuinely the most picked class. Not to mention like you said. Melee would be ruined and so many weapons that are fun on light would be completely not fun anymore. This game already has a pretty slow ttk compared to other games and with this change I feel like it would just make it longer. Idk this is just my opinion but ion like this idea and really really hope this doesn’t become true.

[merry warren]

have they done anything to us mediums like what has u noticed

[chrome stream]

Please revert the slide changes ASAP. This removes so much skill expression from weapons like sledge i pray its unintended.

[glacial rapids]

Almost an amazing update horrible execution let's GO

[fierce patio]

Listen my boy Marshall agrees remove demat delay. Winch has none and is clearly stronger give demat sum juice

[cursive sparrow]

Goo-lock nerf is terrible and does nothing but remove skill gap in favor of brainless winch+sledge gameplay.

[spring plank]

my bad, I only played a couple matches earlier when I gave my feedback. after playing more, here’s how it actually feels now:

This update is honestly a step in the right direction. The overall idea behind the changes is really good. The HP adjustments especially feel great, heavy losing HP and light gaining HP makes fights feel more fair and balanced. That part is a solid improvement and definitely a move in the right direction.

However, the movement changes don’t feel as good. The 10% movement speed reduction on light is too much and doesn’t feel balanced at all. Light is supposed to be the fast, high-risk class, and lowering its speed that much takes away a big part of its identity. It also makes the speed difference between classes feel way too close, especially compared to medium.

Light speed should be restored to what it was before. It didn’t need that heavy of a nerf. If movement needs adjustment, then a much better approach would be not reducing light speed at all, and increasing heavy speed by 5% or 10%. That would help the heavy class to keep up with the team. Right now, the 10% change just feels off on light class.

That said, winch is still a huge problem and needs to go, no matter what. It’s way too oppressive and there’s barely any counterplay. Getting winched removes your ability to react, cancels your actions, and forces you into a guaranteed losing fight against a heavy. It’s the same kind of frustrating mechanic that stun gun had, except worse, and stun gun already got removed.

Right now almost every heavy is running winch because of how strong and easy it is to use, and it just shuts down lights completely and even mediums in many situations. That kind of ability doesn’t belong in a game that’s supposed to reward skill and counterplay.

Either remove winch entirely, or bring back stun gun so there’s at least some balance between the classes. But in its current state, winch is not healthy for the game at all.

[autumn wagon]

bring back shockwave jump pad launch tech.

[high axle]

light in wt feels horrible first round. feels like med stuck in a light body. heavy is okay but i prefere the pre update more....

[white pine]

I think to make these kinds of huge patches more fun for people is to make them feel like a proper event.

This would have been a perfect opportunity to put out like 8 Iseul-T shirts/guns/gadgets etc in the game as a collection event to incentivize players to playtest and make it fun

[solemn sedge]

plz revert goo nerf its so LAME

[obtuse phoenix]

Bring back goo lock! Bring back goo lock! Bring back goo lock!

[tepid summit]

Holy moly this update is horrible, actually revert

[white anchor]

Also light needs to be 10% faster so they reach cashbox sooner and they can use teleport for teammates.

The small light health buff barely makes a difference