👂┇game-feedback

[red knot]

Nerf teams of only one class, it's the unbalanced part of this game since EVER.
and I've been complaining about it since season 1

@brittle obsidian. yea, a pain in the ass

[brittle obsidian]

HHH and LLL are ass

[sand hazel]

The M11 is complained about since all the XP users switched to it after the nerf. im arguing that nerfs are wrong i dont know anything about how to balance it just that nerfing everything isnt the way to go. it makes the game vastly unfun and players who liked what they were using just quit. the community is tired of the constant nerfing of weapons and listening to the loudest voices instead of actual reworks or balancing. im not sure if the ttk of model is on par with most rifles i do know of the famas. it might be with the ak now since it loss those extra bullets which made it just more viable than the model in most situations. personally i only see the m26 on bank it with lights who are 1v1ing and exceling with it since its more forgiving than the double barrel. its a good 1v1 tool in the right hands in certain modes. the model change hasnt changed much for it honestly, still heavy burst damage in close quarters and great when comboed with a quick melee

[obsidian timber]

SOOOOO can we stop getting killed behind walls

[glass fjord]

I've come to accept the dying behind walls as a server side movement issue. What really pisses me off is when I'm behind a door, close it, and somehow still die. Potato ass servers.

@sharp bolt EXCEPT CHARGE N SLAM JFC

[fervent coral]

This weapon isnt balanced at all

[tidal lake]

Can we fix the heavy mesh Shields? Ever since you Nerf them. This whole season I have only seen 5 people use it. You Nerf my bill to the ground.

[sharp bolt]

literally everyone has had something they liked nerfed to the ground. " welcome to the finals, here is a store update ... "

CnS nerf is coming , bet

[worthy dew]

No wonder devs don’t listen to you guys, all you do is argue in here and let the real feedback get swamped.

[ionic surge]

Again, your statements are based on feelings or emotions. I don't need to go much further than that. I'm on the right side and you're on the wrong side. And, you want PROOF, the Dev team of The Finals game looked at the Model 1887 twice recently to make it more balanced after it is fairly balanced since Season 1 (no changes since). Keep complaining and crying with a weapon need nerf in your name for months and years. Or, just quit The Finals game.

As for skill issue, I play against all Model 1887 teams with my R.357, AKM, FCAR at Diamond rank and mostly winning the finals. GAME SENSE skill is important, Model 1887 have many weaknesses including TTK and learning play around the CONS are easy to defeat the enemy in a duel.

@fervent coral @mortal notch compare other weapons in the following link. Use your brain, the reason why Model 1887 (hardly changed since Season 1) is popular simply because players practiced a lot to overcome many weaknesses of the shotgun: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ud7Rdl3AgMw9mmfDwW2LtDMnzZQ9IIhnqSE4ivsaMTs/edit

[limpid rampart]

CHARGE N' SLAM NEXT UP TO FUCKING DIE CANT WAIT

[wraith orchid]

guys just look up appohs yt video called smth like: does embark nerf too much? he is discussing with a ^pro^ player about balancing. this should open your eyes, and if it doesnt, its totally a YOU PROBLEM.
also, embark, ^a highly anticipated model nerf^ ? this sounds like you literally have no own clue/plan about proper balancing.
so again: pls invite some highly invested players into a conference to brainstorm and set a REAL CONCEPT up.

[lost talon]

If you've ever died to charge and slam as a light you're a complete shitter

[pastel flax]

Idk maybe I'm a filthy casual, but I really love Power Shift. It clicks for me. I'd love more variety in Power Shift maps.

[versed hazel]

delete kyoto

[daring fossil]

im getting really tired of having to queue and cancel a match in every single game mode every single patch day because it constantly has NEW markers on everything.

[steady breach]

I managed to reconnect!!! And got a huge comeback!!!!!!! Turns out two players crashed including me. But I downranked really badly because I crashed..

[mortal notch]

your entire point is im right your wrong with no real argument at all. aside from linking a staticsic sheet also thinking statisics matter is wild ngl.and yes i know zaffers sheets i basically know every statisic (rpm dmg dps) off by heart. also dm me proof on you being dia theres no point arguing with someone who is actually braindead

[celest forum]

Same story with the mesh shield. People who used it consistently got better with it over time.
They kept subtracting health and even that was not enough, AND now we have the mesh shield we have today.
and they use the excuse of "we never intended for shield juggling."
Okay then why did it take 3 whole seasons to figure out a fix, we used it exactly how it was meant to be used but they catered to those who can't adapt.
So I would NOT be surprised to see more model nerfs.

[clever hawk]

They’ve buffed/changed the 93R in about 20 different ways since release, they’re just struggling to fit it into place as they don’t want to touch its damage. Small ROF & QOL buffs is all it takes now imo.

I would say the power level of most ‘standard’ weapons has always typically been too high, hence the nerfs for them. Guns like Lewis & FCAR have taken hefty nerfs and are still usable.

It’s the more awkward/problematic by design weapons that they seem too afraid to touch, eg melee weapons, projectile weapons, AOE weapons.

@upper citrus Winch already has a ~1s cast time, adding an initial animation would be absolutely brutal on mid-combat misses. It would also murder any semblance of a Dash matchup.

I’ve toyed with making Grav cube sticky before but it can circumvent LOS for destruction in a million different ways and could become extremely frustrating to face, especially given its 20s duration. The height is also already frustrating due to the inconsistent map design and Heavy needs to be more fun to play.

@worthy dew yea, but that’s on the devs for not creating a better forum for feedback. This place is clearly worthless shite.

@celest forum their massive mesh cooldown increase was braindead but they were right that it was too dominant. Also I don’t buy their “never intended” claim as they also stated that was true for RPG yet shipped it with the ability to oneshot an entire class, and never adjusted its extreme cooldown upon reducing its damage so as to be used for destruction.

[tidal storm]

I think the issue is in the short run the Model nerf is a temporary patch but they need to rebalance everything in their own way. To keep nerfing things means its going to keep slowing things down. It shouldn't be all about nerfing Med which is stupidly unbalanced atm but buffing the other 2 classes to even the playing field.

[forest wasp]

Hey Embark thanks for the model nerf after we all asked for it 👍

[plush fjord]

i swear.
embark has some HUGE prob with heavy, and clearly its not gonna move away from its "nerf every heavy thgn possible" strategy

@shadow scarab The sword and daggers are absolutely the most broken meelees and prob one of the most broken weapons in the game. its like embark INTENTIONALLY making light weapons like this because i see no reason not to patch up and nerf these two meelees along with that sledge "hit reg adjustment"
Please nerf the sword and dagger so ppl can stopp hitting me via bluetooth

@placid elm The model was 100% fine. Ppl only complain about guns, calling them OP whenever they lose. And embark doesnt fail in listening to losers.
The model was suppposed to be high risk high reward weapon. Now the balance seems off, they messed up hit reg, its absoulte shit. Transferring to lights, for real this time.

@mortal notch assuming ur just one of those sweatty ahh players that complain abt weapons being op whenever u lose, ill leave u alone there

[jagged cedar]

Revert model back to 8 pellets, revert the spread buff, keep the damage change

This weapon was already miles above every other, it didn't need compensation buffs 💀

[gleaming lance]

Read the patch notes they never said "we never intended for shield juggling." They said that it "was hard for some players to understand and very frustrating to play against"

[cursive elm]

Looks at opinion: * light * oh

[upper citrus]

I also believe the model should get a small rework but the point of the rework should be to tone down its prevalence in the meta and give it a more focused design that fits with mediums class identity.

108 damage and buff the spread so it functions as a reliable backline pressure tool rather than a 1v1 monster that rewards medium for bad positioning.

And then buff the medium rifles.

Fcar to 23 damage, AKM to 40 bullets, Pike to 50 damage and a small RPM nerf to make up for it.

Plenty of things need to be buffed and plenty of things need to be nerfed. The over all goal of balance patches should be to find a healthy average ttk for the game that is fast enough to feel good to play but slow enough to emphasize teamplay and discourage solo pushes and 1v3s (this was the issue with season 1-2.) they should also be trying to give every primary weapon a unique identity and purpose that fits the design of the class it’s on. The heavy weapons are almost all great examples of this although some could use some tuning.

I agree that some things have been nerfed off of emotional reactions (dash, AKM, season 3 m60, etc) but there are definitely things like the model that need nerfs.

They should really start trying to buff underpowered weapons at the same time they release nerfs though. I really doubt people would be complaining if they buffed the rifles at the same time they nerfed model

As for you @ionic surge you’re either just rage baiting for extremely wrong. Every good player knows the model was stupid. Even Embark_Rob joined the pro discords to watch how it plays in high level games and said it was boring as fuck and overtuned. Which is why it got nerfed again.

[fervent coral]

Now if im speaking off of emotion then its a lot of these guns range are too far and the damage drop off should be severe depending on the gun

[red knot]

Nerf teams of only one class, it's the unbalanced part of this game since EVER.
and I've been complaining about it since season 1

[versed sorrel]

All the Sponser challenges should give double the XP, it is crazy to me that the latest challenge set only gives 48k xp total

This is not even enough to reach the half way XP req for of any of the tier 13 BP items

I have already payed you money for the BP don't make me spend the rest of my life as well grinding out that xp

[severe raft]

"Interrupt 10 people stealing your cash out"

Well blowing them up doesnt work, sniping them doesnt work, stun gun doesn't count nor does making them go BOOOM with Grenades... or even stabbing with light and gutting them like a fish... how exactly do i do this task?

Make it team wide or remove it. It's such an annoying one.

[limpid rampart]

powershift main mindset

tbh CnS actually isnt so bad compared to all the bullshit going on w/ heavy in the earlier seasons but ur actually tweaked if you unironically think a light dying to an almost instant 130dmg q press is a sign of being a bad player lol - you may not be consistent with it but high-elo heavies have truly mastered the art of the drift

[crimson sapphire]

THERES A BUG WHERE THROWING KNIVES MULTI HIT ITS Extremely BROKEN PLEASE FIX

[azure spire]

We should only be able to have 1 frag grenade, not 2. It does too much damage and there's no indicator when one gets thrown near you

[ionic surge]

Very extremely wrong again. I agree with @plush fjord on the Model 1887.

I check this channel for some entertainment and I know there is more people complaining and crying. I don't need to explain the stats and numbers and PROS and CONS. Because, the link I provided in my previous messages speak itself why Model 1887 is fairly balanced. I will keep repeating, your statements are based on feelings or emotions.

I watched a lot of different competitive games (Counter-Strike 2, Valorant, Overwatch 2, etc) and take note, there WILL NEVER BE variety evenly distributed and there WILL ALWAYS BE the same things (called meta) to be played most of the matches. Specifically The Finals game, history lesson reminder, remember FCAR and AKM was played a lot and it was boring too. That is the nature of competitive games.

If you can't understand that, then quit and make your own competitive FPS game. We don't need you in The Finals game.

CC @mortal notch @echo arch

[latent charm]

What do you think about the idea of adding a "wardrobe" instead of 8 contestant slots? Let me explain: we have 8 slots to choose from the 3 archetypes H, M, and L. My idea is to only have 1 contestant for each archetype that we can even name, but when selecting our contestant we can choose the wardrobe we want to put on him, and we can make an infinite wardrobe and only 3 archetypes. Can I explain my idea?

[analog hearth]

nerf lights

[wraith orchid]

unpopular opinion: KYOTO IS FUCKING GREAT AND A PLACE WHERE LONG RANGE WEAPONS CAN SHINE

[versed hazel]

actually kyoto is dogshit.

[high wing]

taking a break for 1 month of the finals because embark has no idea what they are doing, coming back to having leavers in the team, having litterly brainrot teammates, and game crashes when 40 seconds left. holy finals embark, step up please

[granite schooner]

Ty for double xp I’ve been working long days recently and haven’t been in the mood for the finals so being able to finish the battlepass quicker is great

[mortal notch]

i complain about weapons that are objectibly op and bad for the game you complain about shit you die to becuse your not good with them and dagger and sword do not need nerfs your just ass and mad that your dying to high skill ceiling weapons. also legit wasn't agreeing with you sword has a problem rn where the lunge attack distantace is shorter than the swing. (your reply to gloriouhobo) YOUR the one complaing about sword and DAGGER and m11 thats so IRONIC its wild. model is still overtuned and its range got buffed siginicently its still the best gun in the game by far. (sa1216 is a contender) basically your a dumass shitter who went back on his point and called himself out. @ionic surge your just saying the exact same thing every single time with no real point. statistics doesn't matter especially in a game like this .and we know that we know things will be meta etc model was and is fudimentally op and bad for the game. ALSO AGAIN DM ME PROOF OF YOU BEING DIA. i need to know if im arguing with a genuine brainworm

[neon kettle]

that would be bad because changing the different loadouts quick is important

[sullen ridge]

Exactly, I am always able to quickly change my load out just before I load into a game because of the 8 different load out spots.

[rotund sparrow]

Is the "Elim 5 opp from 30m or more using gadget" challenge broken?

[jagged cedar]

I have the light tag so I can view the light channels. I play model medium in ranked

[bold moth]

1887 nerf might be fine but im still getting those "wow I didnt even have a CHANCE to fight back" moments

[woven wagon]

decided to uninstall the game after shotgun gets nerfed twice in a row. it doesnt feel rewarding anymore to close distance between me and enemy anymore even if i have good movements. embark just loves nerfing every weapon to the ground and buff light. like heavy is already unplayable because it got nerfed so many times. it seems like medium is the next one that's gonna get nerfed all the time

[sage sapphire]

Big Kyoto hater

[quick coyote]

Bro all you would see was models every game something had to change it was getting stale. Find a different gun that won't carry you and isn't so broken

[kindred current]

In the next update please add a ping feature like other shooting games, so we can see Our MS, sometimes the ping is so high that bullets don't connect properly so it's will be a good thing to know our latency so we can play likewise

[daring fossil]

game feels broken. I've played like 3 days in the last 2 weeks because I just have no interest anymore and no patience for embarks incompetence and I'm trying really hard to finish the battlepass and the game just feels terrible to play now. Audio seems horendous, hit reg and net code just keeps getting progressively worse, games going down the shitter and you guys are wondering why people aren't engaging with the community event.

@toxic shadow I mained the LH1 from beta to season 3 and then they changed it so much it's a completely different gun that nobody still uses. I'll be complaining about that until I quit playing the finals. 6 people including me were using that gun and were good with it, they butchered the hell out of it to make it accessible, pissing off those 6 people and still no one uses the gun. I don't buy gun skins anymore because of that.

[toxic shadow]

people who get emotionally attached to weapons and classes and then complain about nerfs are contributing nothing to the convo of game balance

Lol this dude def doesnt play the game if he hasnt encountered reactionary instant 130 dmg chargenslam, people start doing it in fucking silver lmfao 👇

[lost talon]

"almost instant" = loud annoucement with a chargeup long enough for light to dash to the other end of the map

[rapid kayak]

real

[brittle obsidian]

"intense aim duels" old fcar fights ended in 0.1 seconds

[limpid rampart]

dash is not the only light ability

[jagged cradle]

Thoughts on ranked guys? How are guys finding it to proceed through the different tiers?.... I don't know if it's just bad luck or players playing ranked...

I keep getting teammates who go solo and die on their own, who don't know when to rush...man it's frustrating because it takes such difficult matches to gain points and idiots to lose them all the next first round of the ranked tournament

Its been a week going back and forth, can't even get to gold.. silver 1 then 2, back to one then two...

[delicate star]

challanging is easy and easy is hard

[naive fable]

the spawns are jacked up. bugged where other teams will spawn in same room or it wont let you spawn at all even with unlimited spawn credits

[smoky sluice]

turn the servers back on pls

[hollow badger]

buff heavy

[unreal fossil]

Calling the Model high risk high reward is a bit far fetched IMO.

The Revolver is a high risk high reward gun.

Revolver STK:
Light: 3 BS or 1 HS + 1 BS
Medium: 4 BS or 2 HS
Heavy: 5 BS or 3 HS

Model STK:
Light: 2 BS or 1 BS + QM
Medium: 2 BS (nerfed to 3 BS)
Heavy: 3 BS

The Model is way more forgiving since it shoots pellets with a spread pattern, its accuracy doesn't suffer from hipfire, and it deals maximum damage with body shots. While a Model user can get away with bunny hopping all over the place and aiming slightly off target, a Revolver user absolutely needs to ADS and hit right on target, ideally getting headshots.

You can peak from corners with a Revolver like you would with a Model, but you certainly can't rush as aggressively, since you can't slide/run/jump and hipfire your way out of fights.

I feel like people often disregard that being able to kill anything in 2/3 BS from the hip while freely sliding/running/jumping is a clear advantage over someone with any weapons that needs you to ADS (slowing down to walking speed) and hit 5, 10, 15+ rounds on the same target, taking into account the recoil pattern of each gun.

You can always argue that full auto guns with 25+ rounds are more forgiving to use than a shotgun with 6 rounds and a slower reload. Yes, until you reach a skill level where people neither miss nor stay out of cover much, and then being able to deal lots of damage in a few well placed hits is what matters.

[high wing]

make the final round funny to play, why call the game the finals when the final round are litterly the one of the worst aspects of this game

[bleak nymph]

I got a question will there be campaign🤔(please say yes this game has lore because after all we are in a show competing for others entertainment)

[valid blaze]

it appears matchmaking isnt working rn

as in i got a lobby of new people and the other team gets open beta veterans

[blazing frigate]

That model nerf did nothing, and the meta won’t change or become more balanced, you can still 3 tap heavy at 12 metres, 1 tap + QM lights and 2 tap QM meds. All that nerf did is making medium v medium 5% more skillful, that’s 2 nerfs to model that achieved absolutely nothing. At this point butcher it and take it out of meta please

[young turtle]

Am I the only one who thinks that the exp buff is not enough? Did they remove the ability to buy BP Levels or was that not a thing? Probably a different game I'm thinking about. I'm 5 levels off to finishing this forsaken BP

[red arch]

14 days and there’s a new challenge circuit tomorrow + xp buffs, it’s pretty doable

[daring fossil]

you've never been able to buy the bonus pages. The point of the bonus pages is for the people who no life the game even if there's no progression left to do.

[frail sedge]

Please make team balance changes. Consistently my ranked team are far lower than I am in RR making me drop from silver 1 to bronze 3.

[proper geode]

do you think the powershift has become too toxic lately? it feels more competitive than ever lol

[mortal notch]

i agree the game is ass. also on the lh1 topic i completely agree i was a sword/lh1 main up untill s3 and after the rpm change down to 280 it just feels so fucking bad to play with. ive been asking for a revert to s2/rpm buff for a while now

[mild veldt]

Make powershift gives better Exp and fans too! It's such a long game with so little returns it's absurd lol

[proven crown]

Shotguns have RUINED this game for lights. I play with high ping and the game as light is totally unplayable. Fast TTK doesn't work for TF

[analog hearth]

strange, I definitely stole the cashout at the last minute but didn't get the reward😕

[kindred current]

Let us equip 2 weapons at the same time so we can switch instead of reloading in a sticky situation, I mean common this is the most general thing in every shooter game to have multiple weapons, many games allow 3 to 5 but a minimum of 2 is a general practice in all games so please consider adding it, it will really make the game more enjoyable and fun 😊

[drifting acorn]

fix the CNS face glitch effect and the Spotlight Stealer mask bug, it isn’t working like it should

also add a feature that if a teammate leaves in the middle of a match in world tour im not penalized bc of it, it gets old having a caveman for a teammate that leaves the game when he dies for the first time and doesn’t do anything to help

[sharp estuary]

Day#9 fix the dual blades

[gritty umbra]

i hope s5 adresses the solo experience, in terms of a new mode or tighter matchmaking. or just add more than weapons and a map. i.e new gamemmodes, new gameshow events. new community events like the cowboy 1 and less of the community 1's. shit like that. s4 has been fun but only bc s3 was so abysmal. the lack of variety in gamemodes/poor matchmaking still plauge the game and have since s2. and also the bugs. please do something about the bugs

[quartz dirge]

The community needs to reach the goal of 600,000 cashout stolen at last minute for anyone to get the reward. We currently are not at that number

[reef trench]

BUFF LIGHTS.

[fringe ginkgo]

Soooo am I the only one who keeps crashing? (2 crashes in 3 matches). Also, I think the matchmaking got mixed up. I keep getting beamed by 34-38-46k kill players, while my whole random team got like 20k (7k personally) so i dont understand how its a balanced matchmaking...

[quick coyote]

this

[bold moth]

EMBARK
I SWEAR TO GOD
NEVER ADD THIS FUCKING INTERUPT CASHOUT STEALS CHALLENGE AGAIN
THIS SHIT IS SO INCONSISTANT WITH WHAT TRACKS AND TAKES WAY TOO LONG TO DO IF YOUR LOBBIES ARE EVEN SLIGHTLY GOOD
IF YOU CAN PLAY FOR HOURS AND ONLY GET TWO PEICES OF PROGRESS FOLLOWED BY AN INTERUPT THAT DOESNT EVEN GET TRACKED ON THE CHALLENGE, ITS NOT A WELL DESIGNED CHALLENGE
@burnt notch I think its pretty fair to complain about a contract that actively encourages you to sabotage your team just to get progress

[daring fossil]

I switched to the double-barrel because it's the only thing light has left that has a high skill ceiling and that doesn't feel like a crutch or mediocre to use (although hit reg is a major issue when you rely on a gun that is single fire, especially when you only have 2 shots). LH1 was a high skill gun, it sucked balls in CQC unless you could control the recoil while spamming but was also good long range if you were patient with it, but because it had the potential to be good at all ranges we can't have that in the finals. Like I get it, they added another pistol, so you had the v9s and the burst pistol and the LH1 all filling basically the same role but still pisses me off none-the-less because now it's useless, they made it an alternative to the sniper, but people who play the sniper play it for a reason, they aren't going to use the LH1, adding scopes didn't help because the scopes have so much visual recoil they are impossible to use.

[sand hazel]

i feel like were arguing different things here my point is saying that how embark is balancing the game is wrong and killing it off. my orignal point was never about how much you hate the model and want to dance on its grave. I'm saying that the route they are taking balance wise isnt good for the games future and will only end with an early demise for its servers (that are already trash). overall the model being problematic is a symptom of the bigger issue at hand and focusing on it like they did still doesn't resolve it.

[burnt notch]

Brother you have been talking here for the whole day doing nothing but complaining Jesus Christ

[upper citrus]

You’re being incredibly vague about what you think the core issue is. I’ve assumed your point is that embark continuously nerfing things since launch has been bad for the game. Which if that is your argument, it’s incorrect.

[delicate basin]

weapon specific stats would be nice, like playtime, kills, etc

[wraith orchid]

i want to see enemy player card more that 1 second tf

[crimson sapphire]

GIVE US SEMTEX

[versed cloud]

Combine the arch rival face with the steal the spotlight mask. You won't regret it.

[brittle obsidian]

yeah no thanks i don't want to fight SA12 and deagles at the same time

[marble hearth]

THROWING KNIVES BUFF THEM!!! In season 3 they were so good and they were nerfed, but it was to far to the point that you can barely get a single kill before dying.

[lament talon]

too many crashes

[cloud mica]

Hi Embark. The only feedback I have is that I believe the team should really stop nerfing weapons and start buffing them instead. If time to kill is too short, increase everyone’s HP by 50. But the current route of nerfing every weapon is kind of ruining the experience.

[hollow yew]

The grind has become unbearable. I loved The Finals for the first few seasons because the battle pass and other events were extremely player friendly. Now we've just reached the point where the game is just another endless grind nightmare.
Without me. Cheers

[wheat torrent]

agrees. someone said they made every level 100k to unlock?

[urban pulsar]

game is unplayable since the beginning of this season, never laggy before and now i cant play the game ever again because of how many fps drops there are

[signal bronze]

finally! thank you for the model nerf!! model meta has been extremely unfun

[daring fossil]

put breach charges or c4 on the cashout, or use stun or winch claw. last time I had this contract it was done before I even realized I had it. I don't understand why you think defending a cashout is sabotaging your team.

@hollow yew I disagree that it's become a grind, the bonus pages were always a grind. The game was just less of a slog and more fun to play previously. I've played way less this season than any other season and im still on level 105 of the bp

@bold moth i donno, try quick cash? I can interrupt like 4-5 steals a match with breach charges alone in QC.

[gaunt turret]

Why is rank so bad. I’m at silver playing with a bronze going against gold…

[true grove]

I came on here to post this, trying play world tour and every couple of games it crashes since the new update

[upper cliff]

THE GAME KEEPS CRASHING IN WT !!

[bold moth]

idk what lobbies you have but in all my lobbies either my team is too good and the enemy team never gets a chance to steal, or the enemy teams are too good and just go for the team wipe before stealing
this challenge can be actually impossible if your lobbies are at too high of a skill level
my problem with this contract isnt the TOOLS to interrupt, its the fact that good players just know when to go for cashout steals
I would say, next season, make it interupting ANY cashout steals, not just ones against your own team
Also, let killing players near teammates with a large amount of money in Bank It count too
@thorny lynx didnt help that they made it so that Taser didnt count for it until like last week

[mild veldt]

Zap people, camp the vault and use light invisibility. That's how I manage to do it

[prime mural]

Any chance we'll get the option to wear the spirited vixen beanie separately from the facewear?

[summer hornet]

Yes me too, and ban for 1 hour inactivity

[crimson sapphire]

I want a Solo Cash-out Game-Mode , someone figure something out

[fresh cairn]

Hi chat. I wish that powershift was considered an actual gamemode, because as of now it seems a little ignored or forgotten. It's my favorite mode, and has really kept me on this game when I felt the other modes got too competitive or stale. I like that I can change my entire kit anytime for more variety when I get bored of a playstyle or class mid-match. And I like that there's a central objective to make sure there's constant action, I never have to wander around aimlessly awaiting a gunfight.

My suggestion is to update powershift to be as viable as other casual modes for grinding the game (specifically for quests and achievements). I have 4 achievements left because I decided it would be fun to do all achievements. However, I really am losing motivation to keep playing the game other than to play powershift. Sadly, powershift doesn't count towards the "Deep Pockets" achievement even though the description doesn't make this clear. I am punished for enjoying powershift, as my in-game cash is currently around 6 million higher than my deep pockets achievement. I also want to complete the battlepass, but feeling forced to swap gamemodes to earn any cash for some quests diminishes my fun in the game. It begins to feel like a chore rather than an experience I want to keep returning to.

It's possible that embark feels the earnings shown during powershift would be unfair, or that people would abuse afk glitches to farm cash. The solution to these problems isn't to shut down powershift, disconnect it from quests and achievements, and pretend it doesn't exist. The solution would be to fix the deeper issues. The cash amount is unfair at 40k maximum with less cash for close matches? Then make the cash reward lower! Worried that people will afk farm the gamemode? Then fix the anti-afk system and actually kick people who spend too long in the death screen! I wish the mode had more attention and the bugs were fixed rather than ignored. 😔

[blissful bridge]

ADD SOLO BANK IT BACK SO I CAN SETUP CUSTOM INFECTION MATCHES AGAIN PLS THANK YOU

[brittle obsidian]

...how is that different from just nerfing the few problematic things? you're making a very simple change take 100x as much effort. please use your brain

[torpid sky]

me if i was bad

[thorny lynx]

this was my most hated contract since Open Beta. I found a 100% success rate using light/stun, but that sacrificed what I was forced to play to complete

[somber snow]

We should have the option of picking what casual mode is listed in "Select Game Mode" instead of only always being Quick Cash.

[mild veldt]

I 100% agree, it's absurd how Powershift, which is the most casual mode possible, gives basically nothing in return. It's ridiculous.

I'm playing a ton of Bank It because it's the only mode that actually gives a decent amount of XP. Sure, Ranked and some other modes might give better rewards, but they’re not as fast. You can mess up and end up in second or third place, and it will still give you better XP gains than Powershift.

~~To be honest, I honestly think every single match should give you 5k XP, because that's basically 20 matches per item for the 2 extra BP pages. ~~

~~ 20 matches is already plenty, and I already think it's unhealthy for people with busy lives. So I don't really understand why they wouldn't make that change. ~~

Actually just reduce the amount of exp towards the last pages, the exp wouldnt be this problematic if it wasn't fucking 100.000 exp. That's not healthy for anyone.

[forest acorn]

Hello, after the update every time when i start ranked mode the game crashes… help!

[terse slate]

Game is becoming a shitshow for casuals.. every enemy team has either aim assist, god aim, map awareness like hell or matchmaking is simply rid

[wraith orchid]

true but thats the same with nearly every game: apex, valo, csgo... and its necessary. and btw. fuck that you cant throw a portral beyond edges, lost a game bc i couldnt reach a floating platform last second thids sucks

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller settings on console

[wide temple]

tyrash game full of cheaters'

[night glen]

I hope Embark realizes that fewer casual players are going to buy the Battle Pass because they are making the challenges so that only the Try Hards are wanting to complete them. Do whatever you want Embark, but since I am not a Try Hard, I just want to play the game for fun, I will not be buying another Battle Pass if the challenges make me have to grind them out for SO LONG. I get it that the people who play all the time pike the additional things to try for, but unless those people make up the majority of your player-base, don't you think you would want the other, casual, players to not feel overwhelmed with the challenges. Just something to think about. Do whatever is best for the game.

[royal herald]

maybe skill issue?

[sudden spire]

What's the point of even spawning us in if it's going to place us too far away to reach a cashout by the end of the match. Why are we getting placed on the opposite end of the map?

[carmine token]

You'd hope that "skill based match-making" would be the answer to the issue of "skill issue" but blatant cheaters are commonplace not just in lower ranks of ranked modes, but in casual modes where it's especially absurd.

[thorn kelp]

Said someone in every PvP Multiplayer Shooter

[marsh halo]

Finally add Console text chat? Been out for months and only a fraction of the game can at minimum see it.

[naive gust]

The stun gun needs a rework. This is a movement based game, that has an item that can completely remove all movement capabilities. You move slower than walking speed, can't use items, can't pick stuff up, and can't even JUMP. I believe a stun gun can work but not like this. 9 times out of 10 when I get stunned I just end up killing whoever stunned me and then die to their teammates because I literally can't do anything aside from looking around and shooting. Become a human turret.

It's definitely VERY tricky to make a stun effect feel fun and fair for both sides in a movement based game. You don't want to make the interaction one sided so that both people within the interaction can have a chance. Right now it's basically just death for both people because switching back to your weapon after using the stun takes just enough time for the other to kill you before you can even shoot back. It's a lose lose situation and not focusing on fun and fairness.

Movement based shooters are basically all I play. Stun mechanics absolutely have to be thoroughly thought through.

[pastel flax]

big +1 to this, powershift is personally my favorite mode, would love to see it elevated in the game

[chrome basin]

You know what I love Embark? I love Losing 800 RS when my teammate never connects to the match. Its so great. Its the best thing in the hwole wide world. Because I join RANKED to lose RS. Thats my only goal. Just add a flag to a team that checks if the members were in a party before connection and determine by that if a team should lose RS when a user disconnects/abondons match. This is programming 101

Your entire seed system needs complete rework to be honest. You arent tracking people that are pre grouped and place them often in a seed that is lower then soloq-ers (ERROR 1)

You arent tracking win streak with a premade group (ERROR 2) You should naturally place them in a higher seed rank if a premade group is winning 24/7. This is to combat smurfing found in RUBY atm. You can just make new accounts and boost your friends.

(ERROR 3) You need to make sure that games where a cheater is found RS is returned. I keep on the daily get confirmation that players have been banned. I can receive up to 2-3 messages a day giving me this confirmation and I only play ranked.

[blissful bridge]

Keep nerfing the items Embark, I'm sure it'll all balance out when most of the items are removed or extremely weak and unenjoyable to use.

[upper citrus]

god forbid embark nerf the extremely dominant cqc weapon on the class who's major weakness is meant to be cqc.... what a horrible act of making the game healthier

[tulip steppe]

Kyoto delete when??? So sick of this map man

[mellow geyser]

Why doesn’t the alarm from stealing a cash out see to go off as soon as someone is starts stealing?

[analog hearth]

so no one has received this award yet? weird, i thought i saw a player wearing it today🤔

[wheat sandal]

today I have big frame drops which didn't happen before, I also lost all 7 matches I played today which also is new. 3 close matches and then 4 completely imbalanced.

[icy marsh]

I joined after update and crashed on first game.. then realized I had somehow lost 3k elo since last night without playing

[brittle latch]

petition to make these faces instead of headwear so I can put a hat on... 🫡

[fervent phoenix]

Whoever at Embargo even remotely suggested spawns are even a little better should be shot

[polar blaze]

Sword genuinely feels so clonky. And the fact that the charge has less range than the normal swing is really funny actually

[craggy osprey]

Thats is....just uninstalled.....its been fun but the constant people disconnecting and the terrible matchmaking i've actually had enough. How does a Gold player get teamed up with an unranked is beyond me. take care.

[whole belfry]

Suggestion for dual blades: Make headshot possible when deflecting 🙂 would make me super happy

[blissful bridge]

The thing about a CQC weapon is that you are supposed to stay out of it's dominant zone. It's major weakness is distance.

The game isn't any healthier. The model now allows skilled players to still hit their shots while making it more difficult and unenjoyable for casual players and this creates a bigger skill gap instead of balancing the game. It's "nerfed" now, but still everyone is in here asking for more nerfs and even the removal of entire maps.

I sincerely hope Embark doesn't keep removing content and nerfing weapons in a way that just creates bigger skill gaps while making the items unenjoyable for casual players.

I just hope Embark reads this message.

[burnt notch]

https://tenor.com/view/the-finals-meme-skill-issue-gif-8954538409360726605

[clear niche]

+idea: would be cool if you can pop up your ingame playercard in bots channel or something.

[upper citrus]

"It's major weakness is distance"

Yes, this is why the weapon was problematic specifically on medium. The entire medium class was balanced around having a ton of utility to support your team and make them hard to approach. The downside is supposed to be that medium is less effective in cqc than light and heavy, meaning that if the enemy team was skilled enough to actually close the gap, they would be at an advantage in the fight. This is the reason why the model is so strong. It wouldn't have been an issue on heavy or light. But because it's on medium it needs rebalancing to have less damage and tighter spread so it can function as a low-mid range burst damage pressure tool from the backline rather than an insane cqc weapon that wipes the floor with 99% of matchups.

The model being nerfed is a good thing and everyone who understands the class design in this game has agreed that its not even enough. Lower damage (108) and even tighter spread is needed before this weapon stops breaking the medium class design.

[sleek flame]

lol skill gap, there's a solution to that, get better.

[long arrow]

nice crash in your cash game

[quick coyote]

Revert matchmaking change. It seems you are now matchmaking based on party RS instead of the highest RS individual. Whenever I invite party members the timer goes from < 2min solo q to < 6min duo q to < 11min trio q and then doesn't even pop. Seeding on the highest RS individual is a good idea too, as total RS is manipulated by smurfs.

[muted grail]

Add the Mayan ball game

[wintry trout]

my favourite game modes are Quick Crash, Break It and Power Shit Hitting The Fan

[drifting acorn]

i dont have it yet, and i personally like the disco mask a little more but it should also have that same effect with it too, idk why it doesnt

[twilit sand]

Who ever is on the balance team should sacked immediately. If I was this bad at my job, I would lose my it. Roll the game back to pre fcar and cloak nerf season 2. It was fun back then but you decided to listen reddit bots who barely even play the game and nerf everything into the ground.

[restive warren]

The spawns need a fix. The cashin money needs a fix. Some people get lucky with spawns do nothing all game and win. They lose a fight, lose nothing from it, cash in the money and just win. WT is miserable

[silent fog]

Fix spawns and nerf charge n slam please

[whole belfry]

Please make me able to get headshots when i deflect with duals 🙂 i think it makes sense

[frank holly]

Now that the model is nerfed, surely we can get an fcar buff now right???

[delicate notch]

I do not enjoy having to play Moving Platforms and Suspended Structures constantly on WT, ngl.

[uneven dagger]

I do enjoy having to play Moving Platforms and Suspended Structures on WT Ngl.

[bold silo]

7 DAYS CHAT RESTRICTION EXPIRED

DEVS PLEASE HIRE SOMEBODY TO BALANCE YOUR GAME, YOU ARE NOT COMPETENT AND INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO DO IT UNFORTUNATELY, FOCUS ON MAKING GOOD LOOKING GAME WHICH YOU KNOW HOW TO MAKE 🙂

HIRE SOMEBODY WHO CAN READ DATA AND NUMBERS, IF PEOPLE IN EMERALD AND DIAMOND, 90% OF THEM USE 3-4 WEAPONS THAT SHOULD BE GOOD INDICATION YOU SUCK AT YOUR JOB OF BALANCING.

[unreal fossil]

Hipfire burst damage weapons in the hands of the jack-of-all-trade class with no downsides compared to the other two are neither fair/enjoyable nor healthy for the game.

[short dock]

Make ospuze real I wanna chug that shit irl before a game🗣️🗣️🗣️

[raw blaze]

🗣️🗣️🗣️

[woeful arch]

I didn't realize Power Shift didn't count towards "Deep Pockets" and didn't reward as much XP as other game modes. Man, the game keeps disappointing me this season. I really hope Embark listens to this.

[red echo]

Ok but 3-4 weapons always gonna be the strongest and meta so they can't rly make every weapon evenly powerful and goes for every game , best they can do is try and not have anything super broken and for weapons now that model got nerfed things seem good

[gritty umbra]

pffft ofc it doesnt, that would be them respecting ur time

[tribal spoke]

Please buff the dual blades. I suggest removing the 50/50,60/60,70 combo and replacing it with flat 55/55 damage slashes, it fixes the light and heavy breakpoints without touching medium ttk (Which is fine though struggles with Model). And or improve the swing speed by 5-15% to decrease the ttk. A 2-5% momentum buff would be great too so we have a chance of sticking on enemies. This would include sprinting/walking but sliding too. Buff their range

[stable path]

gamersupps collab mayhaps?

[whole belfry]

leave the blades, just give me headshot when i deflect and a bullet goes to the head

[quick coyote]

Embark:
Make arrows stuck in the ground/wall a physical object (stops player movement when walked into, can jump on arrow as a ladder)

[small mesa]

hello

[coral forum]

I think it would be cool if stun gun disabled turrets.

[tropic swift]

Love the idea but I think it's better off gone.

[icy marsh]

Haven’t crashed at all during season 4 until today. Idk but it’s happened 4 times in the last few hours

[glass fjord]

were these distributed already? I definitely participated but didnt get the item either

[quick coyote]

this season was ass to gain XP, i agree

[grave timber]

considering some aspects of the gameplay gave me titanfall vibes you think its possible to add wall running especially for light and that builds ability to use a grabbling hook in the future?

[shy walrus]

game performance feels a lot worse this patch, there is half a second of delay between when i shoot and get the kill, also when using utility like vanish bomb.

[upper citrus]

https://youtu.be/ALc0wQ1YDUU

My perspective on the model 1887 nerf. Combining the opinions of myself and other high elo players while taking the design of the game into account. Not advertising because it's not monetized. Just game feedback in video form, instead of typing it repeatedly.

[unreal zodiac]

pls fix the spear by season 5 I will cry

[bleak nexus]

Let weapons be OP again instead of useless nerfs cause of crybabies. This game was fun because everything was op chaotic and reliable. Don't make something weaker make others on par and buff them.

[raw blaze]

I miss da better AKM, and the better everything

@quick coyote I ALSO miss when Fcar was fun to use :(

[quick coyote]

I miss when the fcar was fun to use

[barren silo]

Make stun gun active until damage is dealt to victim 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[safe relic]

Make the stun gun instantly explode in your hands when you attempt to use it for 700 dmg. This is a subtle reference to the fact stun gun is bad.

[vague maple]

Give me an impact grenade that can make small holes in walls.

[echo urchin]

What are the exact stats that you think it should have?

• How many pellets.
• Damage per pellet.
• Drop off ranges.
• spread shape.
  Etc

[half mountain]

So the model nerf made it do slightly less damage but now its got more range? that seems like a pretty piss poor way to balance a shotgun thats already way too acurate from range. No shot gun should have that much range unless its a slug shotgun, really messes with the mid to close range battles and makes it way too hard to do anything as a light, but now i cant even run away as easily without getting 3 shot from 40 meters away

[queen shale]

since when has embark been able to balance shit?

[upper citrus]

9 pellets

12 damage per pellet

same drop off range (could potentially be buffed)

same spread shape but 15-20% tighter

[frank jungle]

Idea: 3 lobbies, for career levels 1+, 35+, 60+

[paper reef]

(posted in response to a community video but ill put this here too)

If i were to balance the model I would revert the damage change and pellet changes, but decrease the ROF, which would add more emphasise on making it a precision shotgun which i think is the direction the devs want to take it, while also making sure other weapons have a little more of a chance at imediate range.

Whenever I play against the model and im not using the weapon myself, I find that is the most annoying aspect of it

[static wolf]

What Ive been saying forever. a light shouldnt be insta killed up close with 1 shot and a melee. 108 damage all bullets (12x9) and a melee would be 148. so lights still have a chance and model doesnt feel super oppressive to all classes. more range or tighter spread definitely or even a slug like ks to balance damage change? not sure

[woeful arch]

lol

[sharp bolt]

this whole game is cooked.

[bleak fern]

"wah wah im a light who needs everything catered to me or i lose because i have no skill and refuse to learn how to play the game better"

[stone hazel]

so sick of 20% of my playtime being low gravity
it feels like there are no other events and low grav lasts FOREVER
it's not even fun it's just frustrating as hell

[olive vector]

NERF THE DAGGER!!!!!!!!! Jesus!

[quartz dirge]

why does it need a nerf lmao its quite bad rn

[raw blaze]

The most valid ass balancing ever lowkey. Model is still good but it doesn't damn near 1 tap lights and can still output fantastic damage against heavies and mediums so it would still be good, but not overpowered.

[faint saddle]

Lmao

[warped stag]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-skill-issue-skill-gif-24485644

[jagged cedar]

model is a huge problem in ranked and nobody in ranked plays light

[quick coyote]

Make it to where you can stun people infinitely no cool down and no one can use they're weapons when stunned🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[violet matrix]

Embark is a realy sheet... nerf model!!!!!

[spring sinew]

Really good feed back

[surreal zephyr]

this game so good

[mint elk]

#patch-notes

[visual sierra]

can we please have some customization on the game's main waiting/group screen where you see your avatars? It'd be nice to earn/buy backgrounds so we can have different lighting, as well as something else to look at while you wait for friends/other players.

[bold silo]

That would be good start but some weapons are just usless in this style of game/dynamics at current state and it is evident

• sniper
• bow
• sword
• automatic pistol
• dual blades
• spear
• lewis gun kinda

Time to kill is ridicilous, it is obvious.(I mean serious play, not casual, that is not good reference point for balance)

"I got 10 kills with sniper in normal it is good, you need to learn it"

I can get 15 kills in casual only with gadgets and melee thats not relevant.

I would not have a problem if they made 7-8 weapon buffs/nerfs every 2 weeks to try to see by statistics, usage/win rate what works. But they don't do anything at all lol just make SKINS TO MAKE SOME MONEY BABY, GAME WILL FIX ITSELF

[brisk stump]

whoever's commissioning the store cosmetics lately could consider including clothing skins that are actually fashionable, that'd be really thoughtful of them. PLEASE, enough with the yellow and black. could also fix the clipping on all of your boots + pants, so many fits are broken.

PLEASE make more oversized sweaters that are the same shape as the ORF-VENTURE

[iron bough]

1- Matchmaking sucks.
2- Solo and new player experience sucks
3- Balance sucks.
4- Crashes.
5- Lag
6- Weird microtransaction decisions.

[violet matrix]

NERF MODEL!!!

[quick coyote]

This right here and the season after tht add blue

[hollow fable]

1 - matchmaking is fine, learn to aim
2 - if u run solo, u assume the risk of bad randoms
3 - balance is fine, lights have better guns but thats okay (skill issue)
4 - ur running the game on a potato
5 - ur running the game on a carrot
6 - microtransactions for skin, if you dont like it dont buy it brokie

[vital narwhal]

Is it just me or are pets not showing up in calling cards anymore?

[tulip steppe]

I just hope in the next season I won’t be getting 20 exp for a wining an entire tourney.

[iron bough]

1- Matchmaking sucks.
2- Solo and new player experience sucks
3- Balance sucks.
4- Crashes.
5- Lag
6- Weird microtransaction decisions.

[patent wind]

i agree with most of it, although the problem isnt its damage persay but the breakpoints. it did not change light or heavy breakpoints but nerfing it more will make it useless since the breaks will be too high and ttk too high. the best solution would be to further nerf damage, increasing the heavy break point to 4 shots and removing the 1 shot melee on lights, but increasing fire rate slightly to keep it viable

[burnt notch]

What micro transaction decisions

[quick coyote]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏well said now people can stop complaining cause its totally ok to go up against Ruby's in plat lobbys and daimonds in gold

[red arch]

fps feels slightly better, can we get more performance tweaks :))?

[midnight aurora]

if an entire team leaves end the match. i just backfilled into an empty team on powershift

got backfilled into it twice in a row

[cold bolt]

every game someone has this take as if they're enlightened, all it really says is that you don't even know what's going on half the time lol

[rancid coral]

[versed cloud]

Look into some way to improve the anti cheat detection. Wall hacks are ruining the game

[bleak nexus]

nah this game is going straight to how ubi treating siege and its not really a good path to go to. I saw really good balance suggestions here but some room temp IQ people cry louder and more so most of them get swarmed by those. I prefer most of the weapons and ability's previous versions and I do not main one class let me make that clear. I play all classes depend on what my team lacks or what they need or want me to play etc. I love playing different weapons regularly too. But as the time passes with each patch either those weapons I had fun with is just becoming really irritating to play with or unreliable. I do know whats going on half the time. You might not like the take sure but you cannot make a random assumption like that lmao

[narrow osprey]

low gravity is trash

[empty otter]

I found a bug where you don't play the animation to throw the knives. All I did was throw the knives and immediately right click again [https://medal.tv/games/the-finals/clips/jaLPfkm9XAopIdbHZ?invite=cr-MSxtbmwsMjEzMTU0NzMxLA]

[keen heath]

Embark please do something about leavers even in quick play Im getting tired of people just leaving matches for these reasons

• They died 2 or 3 times
• The team is struggling to get the objective but not to much
• Team gets wiped (even though your just getting caught between 2 other teams)
• When they think your team is gona lose so instead of taking the "L" they leave the match to avoid the "L" but your not losing horrible but because they left you are now gona lose because your down a team member

There are probably more but these are just some examples if anyone else has other issue or things they hate people leaving matches for stupid reasons feel free to say something else

[iron bough]

1- Matchmaking sucks.
2- Solo and new player experience sucks
3- Balance sucks.
4- Crashes.
5- Lag
6- Weird microtransaction decisions.

[austere trout]

Nerf the sledgehammer

[dry plover]

Rework Revolver Please Embark

[midnight aurora]

why am i still backfilling into empty games

[valid ember]

i get that as well

[burnt notch]

How do we fix this

[bleak nexus]

I wouldn't complain about microtransactions since they can give insanely good deals and you can basicly grind the currency like helldivers which is rare but insanely good xd once you got enough for a battle pass you are set for the rest anyways and you even get bonus xd

[versed cloud]

Sword RMB hitbox is smaller than that of the dagger. Why is that?

[tired bear]

run from the heavy
they slow asf

[keen heath]

Bring sword back to its former glory shits ass

[rugged elm]

Just say you are bad at the game and broke

[jagged cedar]

stood near a wall

[minor locust]

there is no way the fan bonus is working with powershift. there is no difference in the what i was getting tonight and last week

[slow goblet]

HONESTLY EMBARK FUCK YOU, WITH THE DEEPEST OF MY HEART AND ALL THE ENERGY I HAVE LEFT IN MY FUCKING BODY FOR YOUR GAME TO BE THIS HORRIBLE AT MAKING A PROPER NERF OF A WEAPON THAT TAKES ZERO SKILL FOR ANY PC PLAYER IN THE WORLD. CONTROLLER HAS NO FUCKING CHANCE WITH COMPETTING IN WORLD TOUR NOR RANKED FOR HOW HORRIBLE YOUR MATCHMAKING IS WHEN IT COMES TO PEOPLE WHO ARE IN PRISTINE RANKINGS AND PEOPLW WHO HAVW JUST STARTED TO PLAY WORLD TOUR AND CANT SEEM TO WIN A SINGLE DAMN MATCH FOR HOW BAD AND DISGUSTING THE LOBBIES GET. YOU HAVE PERMANENTLY BROKEN THROWING KNIVES, SWORDS, AND EVERY OTHER THING IN THE GAME BUT WHEN IT COMES TO NORMAL WEAPONS THEY CANT EVEN HIT SHOTS NOR CAN THEY MANAGW TO BE ON TARGET WITHOUT HAVING TO BE ON PC TO HAVE TOP AIM IN THIS GAME. YOU ARE TOP TWO OF THE WORLDS WORST GAMES THAT BARELY HAVW TIME IN THE WORLD TO SIMPLY REMOVE WEAPONS BUT DECIDED TO REMOVE RECON FOR MEDIUM BECAUSE IT WAS “TOO GOOD” HOW ABOUT REMOVING THE CROSS BOW, THE SWORD FOR MEDIUM, SLEDGE HAMMER FOR HEAVY, AND INVISIBILITY FOR LIGHTS BECAUSE I CANT STOP SEEING THW SAME 3 STACK SITTING ON TOP OF A ROOF WITH ALL RPG OR IF NOT THAT SHOTGUNS THAT SEEM TO OBLITERATE ME WITH IN A A SINGLE SHOT. WILL YOU EVER DECIDE ON AT LEAST MAKING THE GAME FUN FOR CONTROLLER PLAYERS AND NOT GIVING PC ANOTHER ADVATAGE LIKW EVERY SINGLE GAME PLAYED FROM TOP TO BOTTOM. I MIGHT AS WELL START CHEATING IN ORDER TO REACH WHERE I WANT TO GET IN THIS GAME. Thank you, 🙏

[hard timber]

Would love if they removed the side mount for the sights on ak. just make the attachment rail be on the top instead of the entire side of the gun. it is an eyesore and i wish i got to see the entire skin i have selected while running a sight

[austere trout]

It still one shots a light

[glass fjord]

Gonna be so happy when suspended structure week is over. Please never do it again thanks.

[tired bear]

youre fast
cmon

[hushed quiver]

Hoooly, this would easily bump up player numbers, finally something worth grinding for instead of just season pass

[acoustic warren]

as an ex-siege player im actually lowk scared for the future of this game if all we’re gonna get is nerfs

[upper citrus]

dont?

[neon burrow]

If you had 2 braincells and played this game at season 1 and you cant understand why most things in this game are nerfs, youre lost

[chrome basin]

Please make ranked less frustrating for SOLOQ players. Its so fucking shit right now

[gleaming lance]

Chill man. I play on controller its not that bad 😂

[valid canyon]

EMBARK PLEASE FIX MMM META IM SO TIRED OFG KILLING THERE ENTIRE TEAM ONLY TO ALL GET REVIVED AND FULL HEALTH IN 5 SECONDS BEC OF DEFIB AND HEALING BEAM

[iron bough]

1- Matchmaking sucks.
2- Solo and new player experience sucks
3- Balance sucks.
4- Crashes.
5- Lag
6- Weird microtransaction decisions.

[clever hawk]

@bitter nexus can we get a rule against image spam, especially useless ones likes this.

Also this channel is still really poor for cultivating and collecting feedback, as I discussed back in July: #👂┇game-feedback message

[dry plover]

Rework Revolver Please embark

[rapid stream]

Black screen bug is back

[plucky ermine]

what is so weird about the microtransactions?

[idle crypt]

Add a actual button for dropping items/trophies You can do it by doing wheel scroll but do that enough times and it stops working 😢

[polar blaze]

Fr

[inland sedge]

I just hope in the next season

[round goblet]

Cant understand why they nerf sword range (not even reworking its animation to synchronize with the attack frames ) instead of removing multihit altogether when SH1900 exist doing the same thing dagger/sword does but better.

[lament mango]

If it's keeping the same drop off range then the change you proposed in your video is changing nothing about the playstyle and it's just a straight up dmg nerf lowering it's cqc power. The current spread is already tight enough to be accurate in it's effective range.
If you wan't the weapon to become what you're asking for (powerful midrange poker instead of cqc dominance), then you need to give it less falloff%, later falloff in general and later maxfalloff and/or buff it's ROF and/or reload alongside the lower maxdmg.
It's 5 STK on M @20m which is 83% of it's magsize at 4.5s TTK in it's current state. At 25m it's 7STK - 6.53s (6x0.9s+1.22s - from full) and 0.9x + 1.22y (x=bullets in mag, y= shots after empty - from anywhere but full when initiating) since shooting from zero lowers ROF slightly more. That's far from a powerful midrange poker, espacially since these numbers will rise even more without touching the falloff.
I don't even dislike your general idea, but this approach will only gut it's cqc dominance without enabling another "playstyle" - the weapon will just be dead at this point

[upper citrus]

Yeah I haven’t done the math personally for the fall off, but it’s ranged damage should be strong enough to be relevant from the backline. So a buff to fall off might be necessary.

[chrome basin]

+1 I fucking hate this shit...

[marble hearth]

Same cus when they break the zip line it's impossible to get up there without jump pad

[mortal notch]

10m-117dmg
15m-100dmg
20m-roughly 60-70dmg
Also main problem with model is the breakpoints (dmg) for all classes especially being able to 3tap a heavy
Imo they should reduce the pellet count by 1 keep the nerfed dmg and slightly increase firerate

[subtle gazelle]

Gun game and prop hunt gamemode wen?

[solemn sedge]

Buff xp-45 plz it’s in a sad spot rn

[shrewd comet]

PLEASE FIX EARNING CASH CONTRACT SO THAT POWER SHIFT COUNTS FOR IT. CANNOT COMPLETE CONTRACT OTHERWISE.

[versed cloud]

This triple medium heal beam defibrillator shit has gotten so fucking stale it's UNREAL.

[maiden shell]

If it helps...you can run anti gravity cube to leave the defibed person a sitting duck for your team to beam

[half briar]

Yo, Kyoto would be nice as a rare map, but as a map that shows up every other time, it's absolutely brutal

[lilac pelican]

Polearms can hit through walls and doors?

[slow goblet]

Prayers more than hope 😭

[glacial oyster]

oh please can we have more body options for the heavy

i wanna make my heavy look like carlea1 whos a 6.8ft karate champion https://i2.paste.pics/R1YD7.png?rand=5Tth42J96k

[burnt notch]

https://tenor.com/view/domain-expansion-sukuna-white-role-roleism-roleist-gif-9331238790440809650

[lost talon]

this game is being sabotaged by whoever they recently hired for optimization especially in the last month, because changes are being made its not like nothing is changing but kyoto keeps running worse and worse with every update and now its going into other maps as well

[marble hearth]

Things to add/update/repair
Jukebox
Save outfits
Update practice range room
Choose map, variant, gamemode
Add money reward to TA
Fix bugged commentator lines
Vote on events, world tour stops, community event rewards, etc.
New gamemode
New specialization
New map variant
Choose which awards to unlock through contracts
Add more team name

[novel tundra]

Game is fun as hell
Pls buff the M60

[deep sierra]

Game is ass nerf shotguns. Only thing they should be shooting is air.

[sudden spire]

Leavers are Losers

[vocal bloom]

unknown crash?? embark wth 😭🙏

[quick coyote]

xp boost for fans is not working at all

[quaint forge]

Thanks for shit matchmaking

[magic widget]

Let’s play 8 ball!

Jokes aside are we playing the same game? The devs listen to the community and are constantly tweaking the game, weapons are decently balanced (there are better picks sure, as in every game, every gun is viable with a good build), and the game itself is a fresh concept and fun execution. At least show some respect to the team and think through your criticism a bit more before typing this mound of salt.

I’ve never seen a community so hellbent on the negatives of a great game and heavily undermines all the positives. Embark, keep the good work up, this game’s a gem!

[raw blaze]

I am forever keeping this screenshot. (this is from a while ago but I still have shit happen like this whenever I get close to coming toward plat. I can't fucking make it there, BECAUSE OF THIS TERRIBLE TIMING ☠️)

[quick coyote]

I use to be plat now I'm silver because it keeps pairing me with brain dead idiots while going up against sweats that can 3 tap headshot me with an Lh1 from 60m half the time my teammates dont load in or just straight up quit😑.

(Now put on your fact foiler cap and listen to me)

👀

all this started once I started complaining about how they were getting greedy and not releasing any real content by giving away a battle pass skin suddenly I start getting the worst match makin 2 days later.... Coincidence? I THINK NOT‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

IM NOT CRAZY I SWEAR👀👀👀👀👀‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

[weary swallow]

I'm having 100% consistent lag issues on certain matches, and then other matches it's perfectly fine. What does the little red Clock mean, ping spikes?

[smoky sluice]

it’s not useless, nobody likes kyoto it’s a downgrade to the game overall, it doesn’t fit the style of the game in terms of design and gameplay. Also it’s a bad addition to a game that has low player count because the performance on kyoto is so bad that people with mid range pcs like some of my friends won’t play the game anymore because if kyoto pops up they have to play with 30fps half of the time. I’ll spam this image until the map is gone🫡

[dense ivy]

Please make the bonus pages available without the premium battle pass next season, so people can stop the incessant crying about not unlocking BONUS pages that were created specifically for the people who grind this game like a casual part time job.

“But I paid for the battlepass so I should be able to unlock everything”

Okay, now they’re free, once you’ve completed the full BP regardless of premium. PROBLEM SOLVED, quit crying plz

[tardy trench]

Is anyone else having match making issues i just got a server not responding on the last part of my world tour

[raw blaze]

MAY NOT BE CRAZY, BUT IK I'M BOUTA BE 👀 👀 👀‼️‼️‼️

(The whole coincidence thing may be a bit much, but it feels like I am getting a nailed baseball bat shoved down my throat whenever I play against other diamonds with 2 golds that don't know how to use a bounce pad on a roof)

Ok but seriously to embark, next season I feel like the actual ranked system is fine? It's mostly just super annoying situations where the placement is extremely off from where it feels like you are. For example: Playing as a High Gold and playing against High Plats/Diamonds. I personally believe that if you ARE going to play against a rank or skill level that is much higher than yours, you shouldn't be punished as hard as you do when you lose a match. Maybe 100-300rs instead of smthn like 500-600. It's def the best ranked system I think we have had so far but it just needs some more tweaking based off of the data provided here. It's mostly the balancing of who exactly you are playing against and how punishing it is to lose against those people. That's all!

[neon burrow]

The model nerf didnt change anything.

Stop being cowards and nerf it just as hard as all the light and heavy shit

[quick coyote]

😂lul,

I say if you win a round no matter what you should go positive unless your daimond you could go up by 100 what ever but you should never go negative thats 15 mins down the drain yk *scratch that 30mins

[zinc haven]

I think the least they could do is take Kyoto out of the game and fix that which needs fixing. it needs to function, it doesn't.

[warm venture]

can u update the fsr ?

[silk tartan]

guys please add function to switch between scopes in match like in pubg . this would be very convenient feature. because sometimes when you fight in close range you wont need 2x scope for pike or lh1 for example . thank you
2nd please delete moving platforms and suspended structures . or dont put cashout on moving platforms and suspended structures. make them to use as a transportation to reach the other side of map faster .

[clever hawk]

You’ll be slamming this useless image for the rest of your life then

[candid epoch]

Hey embark, an 11 damage nerf and an EXTRA PELLET is not a nerf, hope that helps <3

@fervent vortex the problem is that they made it easier to use with a minor damage penalty, they needed to nerf so much more, it's still good and it means the meta's still stale

[fervent vortex]

It’s a small step forward, 1 tap is gone now at least

[carmine token]

A buddy of mine got matched with a team of Ruby players today, while he's barely in Gold. Whoever made this matchmaking is just trolling.
@smoky sluice setting aside the fact that there's no way in hell they're getting rid of collective thousands of hours of dev time and requesting them to do so is silly in the first place, Kyoto is fun because it's an actually unique map that creates unique circumstances for encounters, and performance is the only real issue with it (an issue present on every map, just made a bit worse because Kyoto has an actual aesthetic unlike most other maps). But of course, another rushed copy-paste Stadium that's barely distinguishable from the other three is much more preferable to something unique. God forbid you have to adapt your playstyle a bit.

[smoky sluice]

then that’s what i’m gonna do 🤷‍♂️

[half briar]

Change my view: these maps aren't designed for balanced long range weapons. You can see too much from too many places.

[tulip steppe]

Get better.

[lapis kestrel]

i keep loading into world tour games, crashing and getting suspended after rejoining the game, this has to be the most bs glitch i've ever had to endure, embark please fix.

[shy token]

As we can all see, THE FINALS' community is deeply passionate when it comes to concept art and making drip. Earlier this year we saw the switch away from exclusive bundle pricing to individual items now being made available for purchase. This alone allowed a great amount of customisation and personalisation of the game. But @shy token is back this time to argue the case for community driven input.

By allowing the community to create fan-made concepts and outfits using available items, TF has allowed its community to creatively flourish. However, we think, and there are others who have considered this idea as well within the community, that new community made items should be given the chance to be official and in-game.

This would not be the first time that such a thing exists in the world of gaming. Warframe's 'TennoGen' is one of the best examples of having the community be involved in the creative process. This engagement's potential is virtually limitless and invaluable for the game's longevity and community. It can be further sustained by giving the creator(s) a chance to be awarded through a variety of ways, in combination or merely by themselves:
(a) recognition,
(b) in-game or IRL payment,
(c) but most importantly a free (perhaps personalised) version of the very same item that will be immortalised in the world of TF.
(DAY 94)

[dry plover]

Embark please Rework Revolver

[wraith orchid]

whats way worse is the triple m stacking. i play only light, would love to grind ranked but the amount of skill i have to bring up vs a triple m stack is hilarious and doesnt make sense. only casuals would call the game blanced rn but at least were moving forward slightly.

[edgy urchin]

the medium shotgun "nerf" didnt do anything significant, still getting rolled by people spam clicking with it

[midnight aurora]

tone down the riot shield magnetism it keeps throwing me past the guy im trying to hit

[polar blaze]

Dagger being stronger than sword rn kinda ridiculous

[obtuse wedge]

1. Whatever the fixes were made for respawn points are making it 10x worse at least in WT. my team literally respawned back to back to the cashout we just got crashed, and the second time it’s literally like 4 second before finish cashing out. The other cashout point was like a freaking mile away, crossing the entire map.

2. I got disconnected 3 times back to back when enter WT for no reason, my friend got disconnected as well. We won the first and second round and that’s what we get I don’t know whatever changes u made, u need to fix them.

3. Fix the 1887 it’s not even close to meet “nerf”

[raw blaze]

The visual recoil is what kills it for me, I can never see what i'm shooting at

[dry plover]

Recoil + the ads speed reduction make your a slow moving target

[vapid drum]

Embark Please rework the revolver

[half briar]

Embark will never rework or balance anything properly for the majority of players, and this game will continue to slowly die until role lock or max 2 is adopted and sufficient counterplay exists without being locked out of changes once the match starts.

[fierce dagger]

Rework the respawn timer. I get 10 seconds then i get 21 seconds in a quick match. Normalize the weapon or streamline them instead of nerfing STOP NERFING for christ sake it gets boring when all you get are nerfs in patches. Even the new weapons or specializations streamline them so its really hard to differentiate TTK from all weapons. I want a speedy gameplay with my light the amount of start up time for the dash makes me look like a heavy slammer.

Fix WT too have people log in on your game when it's the first round at any moment, locking players that leave you by yourself is nothing short of a horrible experience for me people who want to get into the competitive scene.

In addition set realistic goals 45m snipe challenges and 35 m headshots are not realistic with the nerfs to the wespons constantly dishing out

[amber sparrow]

Hey Embark I love your game I'm top 1000 in WT can you please add more makeup and clothing choices for ladies and alt girls? Thank

[tropic swift]

Also to add, I invited my friends to play, but because the game is so unbalanced and filled with insta-kill elements and rock-paper-scissor meta, they weren't hooked in.

The problems I mentioned are literally preventing new players from joining because the issues has become profound overtime. Eventually the game is going to be almost impossible for new players to enjoy because why would you want to play a game that will instantly turn you into a pile of coins and have to wait for 20 seconds?

Also extremely frustrating for experienced players because important information such as sounds are basically useless and in a game filled with chaos and many going on, it's essential for game experience to have something to naturally alert the enemy's presence.

Please reconsider how you balance the game overall. The experience is dreadful. I know it's hard to balance stuff like this, but it's only going to get worse if left alone.

[uneven mountain]

The time to kill using medium weapons feels awful

[forest mason]

There should be a team scramble for ‘Powershift,’ that will help balance the team who just left

[smoky sluice]

like kyoto isn’t just water + copy pasted bamboo everywhere, it’s just not fun to play, everything on the map slows you down, so many times i had to nade myself cause i was stuck in stupid bamboo, also the water is just not fun cause people hide glitch mines and mines in there that u can’t find without spaming grenades in the water. i’d rather have an empty map that’s copy pasted buildings that bullshit like kyoto

[obtuse wedge]

since searching a game could take for mins, both WT and ranked. Why not add-in an optional queuing room where its just chaos like a TDM and small map that can have some covers and just join in if player bore when queuing, and auto disconnect from that when u found a match? the WT saying queue time is <1 sec when in reality, as we all know, its gonna take mins

@final star well, there are games do that nowadays, i dont know who was the first one, but OW does made it quite enjoyable i must admit. And even if its a practice room (for the whole team) will be very nice as well

[ripe escarp]

fix your game embark

[clever hawk]

Agreed. Thankfully they have consistently lowered damage output and only a few outliers remain.

The shitty audio (and general performance) unfortunately is likely a consequence of the incredibly complex destruction system. It will take them ages to fully resolve these issues - if they ever can.

The default quickplay mode should be more noob-friendly. Shorter respawn timers, closer respawns, and some markers to help navigate the map.

[solemn sedge]

Buff xp-45 plz embark that would be awesome

[final star]

Are you looking for Overwatch?

[wise falcon]

The throwing knives are no regging significantly more now

[hoary vessel]

remove kyoto nobody likes it and it makes peoples games freeze

[barren silo]

Bring back one shots for heavy to counter triple heal beam defib. Crazy how that was most balanced this game ever was when nukes were a thing and rpgs did more than 5 damage

[polar ermine]

backstab with knife doesn't work and if it does work (as intended) it's fcking stupid. it's totally moronic to have the position "not a lot of people use it so you don't have to put up with it enough for us to do anything but a feature that's broken". sort your game out.

[mossy otter]

word

[pale quest]

why I keep getting headshot contracts every week. half weapons in this game don't even deal special headshot damage

[queen shale]

i just wiped pink, and the spawn dircetly next to the objective? really bullshit embark

[quick coyote]

remove light if you wanted to make a team based game do you have selfish classes in it. (they made a class that is annoyign to play with and against)

[lyric whale]

u really dont remember how bad that was do u?

[blissful bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/great-job-well-done-gif-25738846

[vapid drum]

Embark please rework revolver

[barren silo]

I remember it and what the game is now is infinitely worse it’s not even up for debate 😂

[mystic tartan]

nukes were terrible for the game great choice to remove them

[edgy urchin]

this dudes spitting, lights are cockroaches not fun to play against at all

[dreamy badge]

every heavy gun feels so crap to use. I swear just remove the class.

[stiff marsh]

POWER SHIFT NEED MORE MAP ! ❤️

[harsh wren]

give a bigger splash radius or more damage to mgl32

[sharp bolt]

revert the damage to .... actually whatever

[worldly owl]

Why cant i see the community event progress bar in-game anymore for the Iseul-t Trendplate?

[west trellis]

the Izul-T structures are great and all, but suspended structures is getting prettyyy old

[quick coyote]

played 3 rounds of WT got all light randoms where i got more kills than and they didnt play with me and my duo lmao

[grand adder]

I it’s over I guess

[tranquil mango]

okay this game has some serious issues,, its the last like min when i spawn and im across the map? and as solo q u progressively only lose. No friends no climb.

[dense ocean]

day 72 asking embark
let console players able/disable HUD

[wild verge]

i love how skilless sledge hammer is 👍 👍 👍 👍 I think 200 dmg undodgeable hits are fun

[high lance]

Fix riot shield lol

[onyx crystal]

Imo all the model nerf did was make MMM even MORE viable, considering one of it's weaknesses is now gone. The centre pellet also sort of increased the range, further punishing L and H
@pale quest yeah, which only benefits medium

[pale quest]

it takes more shots to kill increasing ttk by a third at least

[west trellis]

The start of this circuit had a little survey asking how repetitive the last WT circuit felt, and it did feel pretty repetitive so I think I gave it a 4 out of 5 or something. Didn't think they were going to double down on it with this one. Suspended structures + low grav every single game, mostly all on Monaco. I wish WT had ranked rules. I miss the old unranked tournament. I want to play tournaments and I want every map in the rotation, but I refuse to play ranked because even though I just barely tickled platinum for a brief moment, I keep getting matched with diamond and ruby stacks and I can't keep up anymore. Not to mention how incredibly toxic this community is getting and lately every other server I queue into is unplayably laggy. Negative feedback to add to the complaint channel. Probably just end of season burnout, hope s5 has some fun stuff to look forward to.

[mortal notch]

it significantly raised the range. 117-10m----100-15m-----70-20m-----30ish-25m

[worn patrol]

Are the servers dead?

[wise falcon]

Looks like it

[sonic sequoia]

The Light's bow needs one hell of a damage and accuracy nerf

[hybrid cipher]

Servers def down

[queen shale]

lmao copeium is real light player

[tall wave]

Servers r dead : (

[dim forge]

❗❗❗❗❗❗SERVERS DOWN❗❗❗❗❗❗

[remote sluice]

Seems like that

[next timber]

Fix the servers bruh wtf

[neon tartan]

should make a outfit preset option, so youc an save like 3 custom outfits per character

[grave bane]

Servers went poof

[craggy nova]

Server down

[verbal flare]

Server down? is that why i can't join.

[main coral]

is anyone getting the TFS0007 code atm?

[vital relic]

yep

[frail mist]

are servers down

[rain hedge]

yes

[vale turret]

joined t ask about tfs007 seems severs are down any idea on how long they norm stay down for?

there back up

[idle night]

had an amazing world tour game, but then I couldn't connect to Backend Services. TFSS0007 error code

[olive adder]

read the game annoucements

[uneven mountain]

Make the loading screen a we'll be right back screen or tv test screen, i think it would look cool for the televised aspect of the game

[charred elk]

atleast i know everyone is having this problem

[native vector]

please fix it 😦

[inner inlet]

I am having the same issue, does anyone know an easy fix? Looking online so far has not been helpful. I've gotten this multiple times now. EDIT: Read earlier messages and will try loading back into the game now. EDIT2: Simple reading has solved the issue, thank you, now I know to just check and or wait for the servers to come back.

[quick coyote]

😭so many new to the discord

[dense ivy]

The Light's bow needs one hell of a damage and accuracy nerfBuff

FTFY

[coarse hemlock]

Guys, I understand a lot of people have run into this problem, is there officially anything

[broken geyser]

Embark Can yall pls drop new season 5 leaks.
It'll make up for the server problem pretty pls🙏🏾♥️

[torpid sky]

they're making improvements to the social tab like adding clans and stuff

[verbal bane]

As a long time Pike and FAMAS player I have finally decided to try the Model 1887.

I can now understand why Light players want this weapon nerfed so badly.

It is because every time I kill a Light player with the Model 1887 it is because the Light player is directly in front of me within the weapon's optimal attack distance.

Conclusion: Light players who call for Model 1887 nerf are revealing themselves as crappy players.

Embark, please don't listen to these fools.

EDIT: Light isn't a "1v1 specialist", Light is a "hit and run specialist".

If you as a Light player are trying to fight Mediums and Heavies "toe-to-toe", you are a bad player. No, you should not "have the advantage" for a playstyle which demonstrates your own garbage tactics and strategy.

[clever bone]

Honestly Embark great game!I know u have great plans and additions for the future so keep the good work up.The balancing isnt the best but since nobody can expect it to be perfect its good like it is.I know u do your best so keep trying and make the greatest gameshow even greater

[shy parcel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1308940207235661825/1308942326000783512/watermark.gif

[keen shard]

It's a shotgun it's as simple as don't stay close to the shotgun user

[lost talon]

Stop trying to micromanage the server capacity, keep it 10% above the point nobody gets yellow/red server strain icon. Literally cut cost ANYWHERE else and it would be better for game. Player count is significantly lower than what it was last month and servers have worse performance. Solo queue experience and game optimization is more important than any """content""" that you can push out for the game or anything else. Once people won't be left with settings to turn down to maintain their performance and the server issues become unmanageable, they will start quiet quitting and new players are not coming anyway in that situation. This game is being sabotaged by whoever you recently hired for optimization it's not like changes are not being made but kyoto keeps running worse with every update and now it has moved into other maps as well.

[rough herald]

@keen shard @verbal bane
medium, a jack of all trade master of support, should not have an advantage in a fight vs THE 1V1 specialist light
at the very Very most it should be an even fight

[vale turret]

hers my game feedback if your playing light you should be forced to use sonar grenades and if you dont use them during the match it puts you on a time out where you cant play the game

@keen shard with light having 3x dash and heavy having a hook its kinda hard not to

[pearl vector]

Am I crazy for wanting a walk button to use conjuction with auto-sprint?

[plush fjord]

Damn i dont think I could've explained this better.
Ppl in this community are missing one key point, I'll say it again. In every single competitive video game there HAS to be a meta. It literally means "Most Effective Tactics Available" Literally speaking, there HAS to be a most effective tactic, because all weapons can't be balanced the same.
In Valorant there's Clove. In Apex it would be Pathfinder ig.

@mortal notch Lmfao thats literally what u ppl are doing. Complaining abt the model even AFTER the nerf is a damn ass skill issue. I mean b4 it was justified and as a med main I was completely fine with the nerf. Just stop trying guy, ur going nowhere.
The only reason you complain abt the model and defend the dagger is cuz ur light, hands down. U ppl just cant risk losing ur weapons so just lash it out on other classes, and the high skill ceiling weapon is model, the one ur literally complaining abt.
Just get better. Try using a weapon urself before actually complaining abt it. 80 percent model complainers dont even know how much skill it takes to use a gun like model. Ive used sword and dagger before and their hit reg is broke asf.
Ur literally a complete shitter if u think the dagger is ok, cuz just go to reddit, and look at all those clips ppl post about the dagger's hit reg. Asshole. And most of them are with slow-mo usually, so u can even see the sword and dagger hitting u from miles.

@unreal fossil i agree with ur take on revolver, im just trying to say that the model is balanced rn, as some ppl still dont feel satisfied with that damage nerf

[thorny lynx]

Now that 3/4ths of the game is ruined.... Can we please do something about TURRETS and CHARGE & SLAM? Turrets see through smoke, gas, have 0 reload, 0 cooldown. They are oppressive and stupidly worked still after 4 seasons. They should disappear when you eliminate the operator (so when you wipe a team and are possibly low health, a random turret kills you stealing). They need a reload, they need a cool down. Now Charge and Slam is stupid. Dmg fall off needs to be WAY faster. Just like the reddit nerds complaints that got the RPG nerfed (when grenades do 49 more dmg and you get 2). The C&S is also the only viable Heavy specialization (unless you want to troll with Winch). Stop ruining core weapons of the game to balance, BALANCE from specializations and gadget use for attack/counter usage. S5 better bring it

[queen shale]

fucking fuck stun gun

[manic pebble]

why is the reward for the sponsor showdown the moolah and tama emblem? i already have that

[fleet timber]

pls give opportunity to rerol quests

[cerulean flower]

please fix graphics settings not saving

[atomic delta]

i can't open the game. i thought they said they fixed it.

[dim forge]

Turret is the worst specialisation in the entire game.

[wheat lynx]

I have winch bound to my mouse as a heavy and there seems to be some sort of glitch where the input won't register sometimes unless I click two or three times, is this a known issue?

[covert summit]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[queen shale]

turrets also shoot at dome and other heavy protections, and for some reason you cant even burn them, honestly making mesh and dome burnable but jump pad and turret arent while gate way and sonar grenade cant be glitch effected. this game needs to start balancing more then on fucking nerfing heavy. legit swear this game will lose even more players if they keep just touching heavies shit and ignore everything else.

[edgy lotus]

all of my negative experiences with this game can be directly or indirectly tied back to the fact that cash earned in power shift does not count as cash like in other modes.

all of them.

[mortal notch]

i play every class mainly heavy rn. i was top 1000 s1 and top 2000 s2 and im the best/one of the best roller sword mains. its not a skill issue. thinking model takes skill is wild ngl i know how mutch skill every gun takes ive used every one for 10+hrs . dagger is 1000x harder to use than model. the hit reg on dagger isnt broken its becuse of dysyc. saying "just go to reddit" is wild every1 on there just complains with no real reason. swords hit reg is not broken (in the op sence) the lunge hitbox is smaller than the swing which is broken and makes the weopon weird to use. it is fine if there's a meta but model is fudimentally bad for the game, keep being a hypocrite crutching on model

[worldly owl]

Why can't i see the community event progress bar in-game anymore for the Iseul-t Trendplate since the new update?

[wraith orchid]

uuuuh you know it depends on the weapon if a playstyle is hit und run?🤦🏼‍♂️
btw: model is hit and run.
also @mortal notch right? i see too much people stating model takes so much skill xd
not tryn to be toxic but it makes me wanna cry the more i hear it

[craggy nova]

Model nerf is needed it’s not enough, when stacked, by 2 or 3 mediums.

[vapid drum]

Embark Please Rework Revolver

[indigo hemlock]

I’ve spent hundreds of dollars on cosmetics in this game and it’s time for me to part ways. My feedback is that the community driven nerfs hurt the game.

The desired game structure has fundamentally failed. Most players solo queue, and the game does not have the proper incentive structure in place to encourage teams to stick with their teammates throughout a match. So , weak weapons only stand to create a massive ‘skill’ gap between those who coordinate and those who don’t. It’s about how people actually play your game, not the way you want them to.

Coordinated teams are more and more unkillable due to nerfs and they mop the floor of the entire game. These ‘OP’ weapons gave the solo queuers with a bad team a very slight chance and now that chance is rapidly diminishing.

And I really love the server and the game is great. I just can’t sit here and watch this game get torn apart anymore. The reality is that there’s no shortage of games to play, most of which don’t have weekly weapon reworks and clipping / glitches skins that are $20 USD a set. Yes this game is better than Battlefield, but I can’t say much else about it.

I wish you all the best. Thank you for time.

[maiden shell]

im sorry bro ggs

[latent charm]

They haven't said anything about this week's event? (I'm not at home, I can't even get into the game) xd

[thorny lynx]

Why are this weeks contract rewards for SPONSORSHIP circuit the same as ISSULT last week?

[mild veldt]

I think it's a bug! In mine it is this cow thingy, but to my friend it was a shotgun

[tough sapphire]

so mesh is useless and now grappling hook can just stop ur shield from working by grabbing you THROUGH the shield. Amazing balancing Embark

[royal gust]

Nerf charge and slam please

[proper chasm]

Now that M and H have had their guns nerfed the lights have to get their shot to

[gritty sequoia]

everybody wants to nerf something. something they dont like. i say, this game can never be balanced. but ill enjoy this game forever

[upper citrus]

Xp-54
V9S
Lh1
Sniper
Sword
Throwing knives

These have all been nerfed. Light loses almost every single ttk trade in the game. If you’re dying to lights it’s a you issue

[worldly owl]

Why can't i see the community event progress bar in-game anymore for the Iseul-t Trendplate since the new update?

[torpid helm]

What they need is to make the dagger backstab single click with hold options

[candid epoch]

bow, M11, M26, Sword, SH1900 and TK all still need nerfs. Stun needs to be removed from the game because it's anti-FPS design. Dash is overspammed. Lights are still a nuisance for the AVERAGE player, hence these weapons need nerfs.

Certain aspects still need buffing though; grapple, sniper needs the projectile bs revoked, 93r, etc.

[loud patrol]

big win with this end season bonus

[tired fable]

Hello Embark, check my suggestions

Soundtracks : i seen jukebox rumors I hope its real for S5
Items shop : leave us possibility to test your shop' skins , shooting, animations, emojing...
group : make possibility to join

Preset loadout/skin : can we save some preset loadout and skin plz?
Sight : Let us choose weapon sight before match
random skin : It would be cool to have a random selection of favorite skins for our weapon like apex
Shooting range : need more option, add dmg range, %accuracy, spread informations, targetCPU presets, possibility to choose different types of building and reset destructions, invite friend to shooting range and put friendly fire option
Ranked : make no penalty point real when loose ranked with incomplete team

Dagger : make chargestab work like throwing knife and improve fullcharge visual indicator
SR-84 : increase bullet speed or fire rate idk
XP-54 : buff mid-long efficiency
DualSword : need a big buff. deflect need more accuracy and better radius, globally I think about better Left click... faster attck, cancellable easier with deflect, idk...
Turret : reduce cooldowns. Turret isn't a threat
R.357 : please reduce damage falloff or give faster reload or better hipfire accuracy or reload per bullet idk it's clunky rn
FCAR : reduce a bit the weird high recoil in the first bullets
Googun : let us charging multigoo line (3-5 in one shot) on M2
KS23 : buff firerate and slightly reload speed
MGL32 : idk but buff it
Spear : secondary attck need something... better hitbox ? easier cancellable ? Deflect things ? rework ?

[harsh torrent]

Wtf happened to mgl? Almost everyone uses it now and its god damn annoying

[versed hazel]

delete kyoto

[rapid stream]

https://tenor.com/view/this-fucking-sucks-this-sucks-danny-devito-crying-danny-devito-crying-gif-17572436979456810284

[robust breach]

Why are they supposedly giving medium another shotgun next season? When this season was just full of model spam?!

[signal basin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009830578545246213/1305205599960694845/plasticbag.gif

[unkempt jewel]

LIGHT IS NOT A 1v1 specialist it’s meant for hit and runs and then coming back and doing it again play like a 1v1 specialist with 2 tap health from a lot of weapons is the worst stratergy if there are two people of equal skill level 1v1ing and one is medium and one is light the medium will win any day. As a person who plays all classes but also mains heavy if a light tries to solo push me that is a win on 90 percent of the time for me as a heavy it doesn’t matter what weapon lights are pieces of glass that provide damage and hit and runs trying to 1v1 someone who can hook you towards them and there is no way of breaking out while melting your brains is not a viable light stratergy.

Embark should not listen to these light player complaining about every weapon because they do not know how to position or play around a team like the game is meant to be played.

[hard bridge]

make RS include personal skill, im so tired of playing with fresh installs who're somehow gold, yet can't shoot for shit

[harsh torrent]

Agree, such shit map, whoever gave that idea should not ever gave an idea anymore

[idle glen]

Compare light to medium before you say all this

[vapid drum]

That thing doesn’t has a good cover space

[plush fjord]

Lol ok keep flexing dreams.
You play heavy right? Yeah I play med with model.
You wont understand something if you actually use it. I've played with it, been against it, so yeah.

You calling yourself a sword main just explained why you're so obsessed with defending swords.
You can cry about the model as long as you want, but just know deleting the whole thing from the game won't solve problems better than nerfing will, just like how the model got tuned down a bit now.

[pastel sundial]

I'll make a prediction for you.
Someday, the flamethrower will once again be nerf. maybe season 5 mid-season, or 6?
They will say it's an OP weapon that doesn't require aiming.

Do you think I lying? Think of what you've been doing while you're saying here, You conscienceless.

[mortal notch]

like i said i have over 1300hrs i have also spent 30-50 hrs on model and its the easiest expresance ive had aside from cns, keep crutching on model you crutched fcar in s1 its clear how bad you are. it still needs a -1 pellet nerf

[thin grail]

5 games in a row like this, we're PLATINUM

[rapid stream]

Model doesn’t need a proper nerf it needs to be gutted and killed

[halcyon perch]

Some people don't like Anti-aliasing, So please let it be an option to turn all Anti-Aliasing and upscaling methods completely off. TAAU introduces soft edges and blur in trying to deal with aliasing, I'd rather just have a clear accurate image.

[brave copper]

No you don't understand. The balance discourse is only for light and heavy. Medium is supposed to be OP. That's why they had wall hacks built in. That's why the fcar, model, and cl have been so problematic in the past. That's why we can't even talk about how defibs are the core gadget of the entire game.

[stuck sentinel]

🤡

[pseudo leaf]

Okey I get +1000 rs when i login didn't read what it says (thought it was feedback for cheaters and skipped) if it was a rs refund because of cheaters or afks finally some thing happened about it.

[craggy nova]

Fk just lost 3k rs, to cheaters… and a server crash…. thank you embark GJ…

[languid valley]

Dont worry brudda, it gets so much worse

[harsh torrent]

Its amazing that they somehow didnt realize how shit their matchmaking are

[plush fjord]

I agree with 93r buff, Sniper rework, TK and M11 nerf, but there's no way you want M26 nerfed my guy.
Literally the most balanced weapon in the game rn. It doesnt cause trouble, and every time u die to it ur genuinely like "gg"

And stun isnt even anti-FPS.
There's stun in valorant, like you got that Cypher's Trapwire stun, so probably just give the stun a sort of a splash affect in one certain area after being shot, that happens after afew seconds of warning. Just like in other games

[candid epoch]

stun gives the fastest class in the game a risk free ranged option to make every other class, who if they're not light are already slower than them, slower, limit their options, and stop a steal with 0 risk. stun mechanics are already on thin ice, but the way the stun gun is designed provides way too much reward for no risk

[lament surge]

I love you.
*edit @candid epoch it grants a kill pretty much, and is 15 second cooldown, CC doesn't belong in a fps

[uneven dagger]

Soon enough people are gonna start crying for ks-23 to get nerfed

[surreal meadow]

model "nerfed"
still 1 tap combos lights
still see 1-2 per team in high elo lobbies

another season without HML being the ideal choice
another season where 33% of the items are completely unviable solely because of the HP values
another season where a single class is unviable in high elo but still completely dominates low elo

thank you embark

[thin grail]

the thing is that you don't get minus 1000+ for a loss

upd: yeah I get it but shouldn't be like that on fricking platinum

[languid valley]

1 loss on first round for me is worth like 5 full tourney wins to make up for it lol

[round goblet]

ahh yes I'll get penalized in rank RS placing probably dead last cause the server refuse to let me in even at intro screen leaving my teammates behind, 100% fair.

[civic rose]

same here\

[lament surge]

100%

[mortal notch]

The ideal fix is ethier 104dmg 13dmg 8 pellets
Or 14dmg 8 pellets
112 dmg
Would still 1 tap combo lights but would deal with 3 tap heavy’s

[ivory swallow]

Again, I play 3 hours a day and I find it impossible to complete the pass, for that reason I did not buy it, it does not make sense that they ask for 100,000 exp if they give less than 2000 exp per game, they are wrong, not even with the missions will I complete the pass, the bonus that is supposedly there does not make me notice the difference, I have been at level 97 for almost a week. It is disappointing because if I do not complete the pass, I will not buy any more. Not to mention the sponsorship, every day this game tells me that it is not for me because of the amount of time it demands. (post data I have all the missions done except this week's)

[slender walrus]

Why are 50 cal pistols killing from across map!?!?!

[mellow geyser]

It’s been almost a year since the game released. Can you please allow health to come back much quicker? That would allow better better playmaking. This is the number one problem with the game.

[quick coyote]

I have to agree with you on this, I was too busy to play frequently this season(mostly on weekends) and I was shocked by how little XP and fans I was getting per game, even while finishing both daily and sponsorship contracts. If season 5 will be like this, i definitely not going to bother playing that much or buying a battlepass

[chrome basin]

Genuinly gotta come here and say sorry. Holy fuck you guys actually listened and track RS in matches where a player is banned. I just got adjusted by 1500+ RS. That is great and a step in the right direction. Now if only youd fix the seeding properly where a premade team will always rank a bit higher then it would make soloq experience that much less frustrating

[iron turret]

ok perfect now instead of having false matchmaking failed and losing point now we got the server frozen and we lost because of it WTH !!!!

[unborn garnet]

I've mentioned XP in this game before, not only for career progression but also for equipment progression. I do like the mastery skins and the skins you unlock through career levels but its quite ridiculous how the XP gain is in the game. On top of that, I grinded for Emerald and hit E4 in about Holtow's second week of the world tour, Week 5 of the season. I stopped playing mid-season due to being busy but even then I wasn't fully level 70 or max battle pass. I dont expect to complete the battle pass in a short amount of time when the season is about 7-9 weeks. I've suggested XP tokens or double weapon XP because it takes way to long to see progression at times. I definitely felt the battle pass progression difference from this season compared to last.

I hope for XP tokens next season or maybe even season 6.

[pseudo leaf]

make charge n slam actually has to charge not press q and deal close players instant 130dmg and more.

[fringe shore]

Lost way too much RS from game feezing cant get out of gold

[vocal turret]

Real

[surreal meadow]

109 or under for lights because high TTK game + supportive /mediums weakness is CQB
104 or above to allow 3+melee for heavy because theyre the beefiest class

somewhere around that. there needs to be exploitative downsides to each playstyle, which model + heal/defib doesnt have. ive played model + heal/defib this season and im utter dogshit. im about to hit T500 solo queue solely from the model being busted, or me being heavy and jsut existing

[night glen]

Being penalized for leaving a World Tour nor Tournament match when someone on your team already left is WRONG. I get penalizing the first one to leave, but when there is no back filling of disconnected players, why should I be forced to stay in the game? Rethink this.... Requiring players to stay in when they have no real chance of winning without a full team is just another form of punishment.

[uneven dagger]

Lights wanting anything to not be effective at all against them is hilarious lmao

[teal minnow]

My RS was readjusted because of players being in my match who didn't follow the fair-play guidelines... Embark let me give you a hug

[mortal notch]

I Agree I’m just thinking realistically on what embark Is going to do
In a ideal world we would get 109-104 but I genuinely doubt that’s going to happen anytime soon the only way the meta will change is buffs/new weapons most likely
The devs love model 2 much it took them 2 and a half seasons of it being meta for them to remove the 2 taping meds

[thorn kelp]

Appreciation post

Hella grateful I found this game cuz now, I can almost not go back to any other game. I'm thankful for the dev team trying their best to make this game as fun as they can with all the hate from this channel... with the fact that they barely have around 100 members working on the game at the moment.

Thank you Embark, and to everyone else, have a happy Thanksgiving

[polar blaze]

Hammer and winch feels super strong rn

[quick stag]

I appreciate the updates every week. I prefer xdefiant as a game, but this game has way more content, way better monetisation, and gets more changes more frequently

[pseudo leaf]

pink team plat guy cheats. shots with no delayed sa1216. (he is not waiting between 4 shots) other rubies with him too low life rats

[nimble pond]

Y can't i put Headphones on my Carekater Like with the ohne Mask he Literallee Hase nothing Covering His ears and his head only his face please make this Happen the endgame of Video Games is the Drip

[buoyant mural]

6.6k elo taken away for no reason without absoltuely no detail as to why they think i gained those points unfairly cheers embark

[fringe shore]

is nobody gonna talk about how ridiculous the light shotgun is or is the model gonna keep all the limlelight, as light shotgun makes the model look like a feather duster

[clear glacier]

Still asking to get emerald/ruby/diamonds coins to spend on whatever weapon we want instead of being granted specific weapons each season
Also let us use it on gadgets if we want.

[rigid spoke]

I play on pc with a controller. I frequently have issues where my controller is not detected by the game after I respond, especially if I type something in the chat with my keyboard and mouse. I can usually resolve the issue by unplugging and replugging my controller, but it's a big pain. It will happen when I am revived by a teammate mid-battle. This has been happening off and on for the last season. When I start to encounter this issue, it makes the game nearly unplayable.

[quick coyote]

I'm really getting sick of being matched with top level players when I'm not a top level player. It makes the game very frustrating to play. I'm a casual player not an esports player yet I continually get matched against high level players who destroy me within a split second before I can even do anything.

[jagged cedar]

New elo adjustment system is awesome but people shouldn't be gaining elo off it as long as it doesn't compensate for everyone. People that have played ranked constantly this season and have fought numerous since banned cheaters are gaining nothing while others get insane amounts, massively inflating their rank

[proven eagle]

Is it just me or do the rewards seem similar?

[fervent coral]

Aww hell nah its no point in doin that fr

[fleet socket]

Heard it's bugged and showdown just shows whatever last challenge page you visited

[torpid sky]

@nimble kiln gg

[nimble kiln]

ggs am cheating

[opal swallow]

Is there a reason why I didn’t get the event skin top?

[topaz summit]

I'd like to give a shoutout to the embark devs. Anytime there's a balancing problem that's enough of a problem (for example lh1 at the start of s3) y'all fix it. Ive been playing finals for about a year now, and im looking forward to what y'all have planned. Keep up the good work!

[rigid shale]

🦃 🍽️ thankful for every last dev. thank you for your hard work.

[ember delta]

I appreciate embark trying but the model feels way more inconsistent than before

[reef apex]

ok first can we please add a sight for the lewis gun and buff it and the other heavy assult rifle.

This is too allow heavy VS meduim to be more fair

second can we add passives to the game (hopefully light being too "light" to trigger mines, I dont think getting one shot by a mine if fun/fair)

Both these changes balance meduim (if its too much give meduim a sonar nade)

there will be more to come i love this hame

[lime summit]

I agree and have been bitching about this for days.. the contract reads "any game modes". plus the 1 million$ is a ridiculous grind for just 12k experience.

[quick coyote]

I was in the pink team, he is not cheating

[lilac pelican]

in the Sponsor Showdown quests its showing the same item as ISEUL-T's Reward.

[gleaming star]

Petition to give the community event rewards to everyone.
How I can see especially on reddit im not the only one who haven’t seen that there was a community event or hadnt had the chance to track his progress through the website because it only shows the TOP 10.000 and ingame it disappeared. No words from embark and the support doesn’t care. I and we all know that Embark can do it better and im extremely disappointed that Embark is just staying silent. @pearl kiln sorry for tagging you but I don’t see anything other to recognize this or get help maybe you can give this over to the team. No hate I love the game and the company but like I said this is a bit disappointing especially when the reward was such a nice jacket.

[hollow yew]

The game's grind was perfect before this season. This season is just a huge chore. It should never have been touched.
Ranked progression also seems way worse. World Tour progression is an absolute joke. The fan system is so much worse that the previous one.

Nothing about this game feels rewarding any longer. There's not a single game mode that feels inviting at this point. The game is fun, but the reward factor has been butchered to death. Not feeling like i'm coming back for next season if this doesn't improve considerably.

[lost talon]

engimos dont get any handouts, if you did your part you will get it eventually

[limpid willow]

nerf m11

[near parcel]

cardboard rank lookin ahh

[fervent vortex]

It’s called animation cancel u lobotimite

[magic sonnet]

Model 1887 should've been put at 9 pellets at 14 damage and not 13 so you can still 2 shot mediums unless you miss a single pellet or suffer any kind of damage falloff on your shot
Skill should be rewarded

[rancid coral]

[ionic grail]

Yeah that’s someone on an Alt and I literally know the person who owns the account they don’t cheat LMAO

[iron bough]

Found the cheater 🤓 ☝️

[sleek flame]

No just give more slightly more hp to shields and heavy is good they do not need damage at all when they have an instant 100hp deleter, charge n slam, winch, barricade.

@magic sonnet TF are you talking about the weapon is still strong having the highest mobility, good range, and damage. As it is now you cannot one clip a team without reloading. More balanced than what it was compared to the other weapons

[proven crown]

You can't see shit through the grav cube hologram. Not great

[torpid sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/368786246627098656/284c42d22145e74cf836e46e4cff8095.webp?size=1024&format=webp&width=542&height=542

[rotund star]

Is it just my game or is everyone now named "contestant" including me?

[clever hawk]

There’s a setting, ‘hide player names’ or something similar

[silent fog]

Stun gun has no place in this game.
@surreal oyster can tell you've never played against a good light

[surreal oyster]

play around it

[sinful mirage]

I think the sponsor showdown feature should be permanent, it’s literally the coolest feature ever, makes the game feel alive! The maps getting some color variation also mixes it up a bit, instead of always being the basic yellow, which I like a lot!!!!! Hoping to see it through the beginning and end of next world tour permanently!

[surreal torrent]

PLEASE FIX THIS I get put with stupid ass teammates who run light and just die with no kills but the other teams are a rank above me and I’m stuck with two people who think they are heavy’s when playing light!

[tall zephyr]

lmao i played against acute#3333 in wt, he destroyed us with the m11 and invis, i know having a scope with it increases the accuracy, but his aim was crazy. the random teammate also told me he was cheating

[hexed sentinel]

DUDE the Sponsor showdown is such a cool idea. Just wanted to throw that in here.

[lilac pelican]

😕 think we messed up again on the display reward for Showdown Reward?, and or why would we give something away that's already in a bundle?

[lost talon]

its a bug

[deep sierra]

Buff fcar damage

[obtuse wedge]

Just curious, for WT and ranked, u lose no points if theres a cheater. What about casual? Can at least people quit the game without penalty

@torpid sky oh damn, actually didnt realize that, thanks for clarify

[sharp wind]

THANK YOU FOR THE NEW RANKED SYSTEM, I gained almost 2k point. BACK IN RUBY

[civic thistle]

why did i lose 1000 rs for just leaving a party. we didnt even find a game

[torpid sky]

u can leave qc/powershift and bank it without penalty

[delicate star]

increase sword lunge by half meters its insane that the pixels of sword go through the body and guess what ? no hit

[crimson sapphire]

No bro just no it’s balanced now

[silent fog]

Remove Kyoto from WT/Ranked, keep it in casual.
It's by far the worst map.
Looks pretty, is absolute garbage to play on.

@crimson sapphire "balanced" 😂😂

[young turtle]

PETITION TO GET A REROLL SYSTEM FOR CONTRACTS. THESE ARE GARBAGE CONTRACTS THAT I DO NOT WANT TO DO. SPECIALLY THE KILLS ONE (yes you can call it skill issue but personally, I play for objectives, not kills. this contract is garbage to me. let me reroll this sht) WE ALREADY HAD IT A FEW SEASONS AGO, WHY REMOVE IT?? I DON'T CARE IF IT CYCLES BACK TO THIS, I JUST WANT IT OUT OF MY FACE.

@mild veldt @sudden spire it's not about "it's just 10 kills". it's about having the reroll system back. I've had this contract before and I'm personally not a fan. it's QoL and only affects players positively. your "just do it" response is what makes the devs complacent and not put out changes that give players a better experience.

[graceful egret]

How come a shotgun can 2 shot a medium (body shots) but a sniper takes 3 shots (to body) that needs to be fixed

[mild veldt]

Bro c'mon, it's just 10 kills. You can easily get in powershift, you can be literally 24 hours in the platform and you will get the 10 kills.

Although interrupting is indeed shit, too many variables to a point is annoying.

[naive seal]

Please start buffing bad weapons instead of nerfing good ones. Nerfing everything has made the game significantly less fun.

[jagged vector]

Why does a melee weapon have this much range? He wasn’t even close to me and killed me. That needs to be fixed s

[uneven dagger]

true

[daring fossil]

im on the final bp level and I've played less this season than every other season, some days i haven't played at all, other days I play 1-2 matches. If you do your dailies every day and all your weeklies you should have no problem. I don't even have all of my weeklies from the last 3 weeks completed.

@jagged vector thats the shitty netcode for you. Melee weapons can appear to hit you well out of range. That guy wasn't even around the wall yet on your screen. Same reason why running for cover is pointless because the enemy can still see you for 2 seconds on his screen after youve run behind a wall

[sudden spire]

You could play power shift, where the objective is to get kills on the platform

[charred ivy]

Nerf M11 or give XP54 some love again, its fucking insane how easy M11 is to use while being so stupidly broken. You dont even need to aim with it. But good luck trying to aim with other light weapons which require aiming, you are fucked because bullets aint going where you are aiming at all, great choices. For Medium you either play AK or maybe FAMAS, but you are most likely going to play AK now. All flavour is gone. Sure, some weapons used to be stronger than others, but you could still play something else, have a choice. Currently, you either play meta, or you are absolutely fucked in 1v1.

Sure i can shoot my lil pistol on Light, M11 will shred me because you have zero need of aiming with it.

[rapid stream]

mf is complaining about SPEAR

[quaint forge]

Spent so much money and hours in game and I’m starting to get sick of this fucking shit matchmaking, thanks for giving me silver teammates in a plat/diamond lobby

[vestal basin]

Make an entertainment mode that only allows C4 to be used, and bring back the nuke from season 1, so that everyone can enjoy the old-time fun from the mode

[broken herald]

go to faceit anticheat

[fervent coral]

I ask myself this a lot…especially with the hammer…like I clearly see him miss….but he hits me

[shadow quail]

i did some quick testing with the invert flashbang option and the visibility is much worse. i find it a little unfair that anyone with this option on is at a disadvantage

[high wing]

srsly why is sword still not fixed, people can hit you from 5 meters and has the largets fucking hitbox in the game

[versed hazel]

feels like hitreg has gotten significantly worse. Kyoto should unironically at LEAST be removed from ranked

[proven crown]

Triple medium is KILLING this game for me. Revive trains are cancer. I've thought about defib as a specialization, brownsley think that the game would be so much better without defib entirely. With that, I think the standard revive time should be shortened a little bit

[gleaming star]

Don’t engage in discussions if u cant read a simple text pls

[lost talon]

the leaderboard was working until the last day, you will not be getting any handouts

[daring fossil]

you think those are bad? I only play quick cash (and some times powershift for contracts), so even if I win I only get 20k a match and powershift doesn't count towardss the contract. The other one basically forces you to throw and be the most useless player on your team. Then there's the 30 wins one, which is near impossible when you don't have friends to play with and constantly get matched with level 1-20s. I can interrupt 5 steals a match, that contract is nothing in comparison to these. But I agree, they took the reroll system out because they only had a pool of like 7 daily contracts (reroll was never available on weeklies btw) and they were like "we want to give you more value for your VRS" well they released optics and then the stupid halloween event, raised everyones VR cap so now instead of sitting on 3000/3000 VRs with nothing to spend them on because we can't reroll anymore, we are sitting on 5000/5000 VRs we can't spend on anything. dailies AND weeklies should be rerollable because some of these contracts are fucking stupid. They had to change the headshot from range contract 2 times and even then it was still bad and now they decide general kills from 45 meters is ok when everyone complained not about headshots but the range, engagements don't happen at 45 meters and if you're that far away you're throwing.

@torpid sky I have over 1500 hours in this game and am top 250 in quick cash, I have completed EVERY single contract in this game since release, even the ones people complained about and they changed (before they changed them) but this season in particular has had some completely brain dead challenges.

[torpid sky]

it's called a challenge for a reason yk, you don't have to do them if you're not up for the challenge

[jagged vector]

No I’m not complaining about the spear, I’m complaining about melee weapons in general that have this affect. Doesn’t make any sense to why you get hit when they arnt even close to you

[dark niche]

the point of the spear is it being long range. it’s already bad enough as it is and now you want a range nerf??

[random patrol]

rank compensation news had me busting

[normal glen]

I just failed to connect to a match of world tour. After trying to reconnect several times I restarted the game to see if that´d work. Instead I´m now stuck waiting to be allowed to play again after I tried to join a round. At no point did I purposefully not play the match.

[wraith orchid]

I JUST COME HERE TO SAY TRIPLE DEFIB

[thick sorrel]

Model is the opposite of skill. Tight and fixed Spread pattern feels like a huge Slug. KS-23 takes skill...

[paper sorrel]

I had an idea for the spear, since no one really uses it over the sledgehammer and even less people use the alt fire (sweep) for it. If instead the alt fire would be used to throw it a certain distance and do some damage, I think this would make it have a higher pick rate and be more fun to use.

[teal minnow]

Model was the most fun and best if not the greatest weapon you could've choose if you wanted to use something that was off meta and it took skill to be good with it, but since it became meta because all the other weapons got nerfed It doesn't needs skill. Sad to see my weapon being destroyed like this I was model main since launch when it actually needed some skill. I totally agree with you KS-23 takes skill.

[unkempt geyser]

What if playing competitive also awarded World Tour progress in addition to rank standing? It'd encourage more players into comp for potential double progress and discourage comp grinders from stomping what is supposed to be the more casual mode.

[glad ore]

This is such a braindead take. Model was always good, it was just competing with even more broken things like s1/s2 FCAR, or other weapons/strats keeping it in check ala nukes and shield spam when H were running mesh+dome.
And if you're going to try to claim it's a high skill weapon (that still maintains its full accuracy while moving around vs most other weapons having to become a pylon for that accuracy lololol), then you should probably know the only engagement that changed was M vs M. It still 3 taps H and 2 taps L in the exact same ways it did before. You just have to hit all of your pellets now. But that should be fine since it's such a high skill weapon lul.

[reef trench]

this is completely not true i feel that m11 is perfectly fine the way it is, any nerf to that gun is just going to make lights only 2 semi auto gun unplayable. heavy literally tank 3 full mags unless u go close to them and if u do ure literally just dead almost instantly. at the end of the day lights is always going to be a glass cannon so it should stay that way.

[gleaming star]

Dude why are you lying? The leaderboard on the website shows only the top 10.000 why cant u get this? Go at the website and checkt it yourself. Dude how pathetic can someone be its so simple go to the website and check it yourself instead of spreading lies and bootlicking for embark its not my fault nor of anyone other that the leaderboard was bugged. Dont engage in discussions if you cant read.

[lost talon]

ingame leaderboard which showed how many you had down to 0 and 1 was working until the last day. All you're doing is exposing how poor both mentally and physically engimos are.

[wide temple]

full of cheateeeeeeeeeeeeeeeers

[daring fossil]

so? I also stated in my first post I only play quick cash and sometimes powershift. 2 modes that give you very little and no money towards a contract that asks for 1,000,000. Thats 50 wins in 3 weeks, use your brain.

@burnt notch it should be equal in effect, it shouldn't put you at more of a disadvantage.

[burnt notch]

It’s supposed to be an accessibility option for photosensitive people and for people who are playing in the dark so they don’t hurt their eyes, if u don’t wanna use it cuz of the worse visibility then don’t

[radiant moat]

i've reported multiple players in the reports and have been informed that they were confirmed and when i logged on there was no change to my rank?

[jagged vector]

I get distance but not when I’m on the other side of the room. It’s not just the spear, it’s all melee weapons

[quick coyote]

Embark: stop punishing players who have disconnected teammates. put the rank score drop from the playing player to the disconnected player. Also embark: block players with 100+ Ms ping or players with less then 20 fps from playing ranked

[shadow quail]

i dont use it but i think its unfair for exactly that reason, why should someone be at a disadvantage for being photosensitive or just liking how the option looks

[thick sorrel]

Nice to hear that you agree with KS-23. High risk high reward. You can easily miss.

Double barrel has like 1 meter damage range... High risk high reward.

Now look at Model again, super forgiving cuz you shoot a bowling ball sized Slug with more dmg than RPG or CL-40 + huge effective range for a shotgun.

[torpid sky]

again it's called a challenge for a reason it encourages u to play smth different than the usual if u don't want to play different than the usual then don't it's not that hard

[mild veldt]

The XP-54 may not need its damage adjusted; instead, it could benefit from more ammo and a faster reload time. This way, it would function more like a backline SMG rather than a burst-focused one.

Players who prefer a safer playstyle could opt for the XP-54 for more consistent gunfights, while the M11 could remain the go-to choice for close-range, bursty combat.

This would help differentiate the two weapons, giving each one a distinct playstyle. I’d even suggest increasing the XP-54’s range slightly to reinforce its role in mid-range engagements.

[finite galleon]

uhmm.... maybe play the game's main gamemode? shocking

[daring fossil]

the 45 meter contract literally requires you to throw games and not help your team lol.

@finite galleon 3v3v3v3 cashout is shit. even then, you get maybe 40-50k a win, its not much better. So why play a mode I dislike playing when the reward is maybe marginally better for the contract.

[young turtle]

Exactly, completely agree. They should give back the ability to reroll Contracts (Both daily AND weekly).
Also, it's not a "Challenge". It's a Contract (WHICH BY DEFINITION SHOULD BE AGREED UPON BY BOTH SIDES OR AT LEAST THE USER SIGNS UP FOR IT. THIS IS MORE OF A QUEST THAN ANYTHING). A lot of Weekly Contracts can be HELL, SPECIALLY if you're casually just playing the game.

[tulip steppe]

I’m so sick of charge n slam man. Y’all just gotta remove it atp🚮

[bright knoll]

after 9 months played again, sad to see how this game went sht 😦

[verbal breach]

Funny changes that should be implemented

Dual Blades:

-Damage Combo to 110, 120, 80
| Allows for kill combos with a quick melee, or remove the third part outright

-Deflected Bullets can crit (uses crit mod from the deflected weapon)
| raises skill ceiling

-blocks 33% of explosion damage
| we need something against grenade launchers, ok

93R:

-Damage down to 22
| don't get mad yet

-shots/burst to 5
| differentiates it from Famas, making it more unique and more in line with other light weapons damage output

-mag size to 25
| dividable by 5 while keeping the damage/mag similar

[pine pollen]

it's especially frustrating since I got all the hardest weeklies on the last set for this season, so I don't even get the benefit of having all season to work on them. Guess it's just RNG that some people will have a harder time trying to complete the challenges on the grindiest and shortest season so far.

[green nest]

bring back dead goes boom

[quick coyote]

i remember trying the model when i first started playing in december and i was amused by how good it was, i was sniping everyone on Vegas lol
one of the most satisfying guns i have ever tried in a FPS game, so yeah... definitely didn't suck back then

[patent torrent]

A way to reduce friend list counts, and reduce the need or urge to friend anyone with a mic or makes good use of pings, to reduce freezing and party-kicks:

Make a way to mark someone as "uses mic", "uses frequent pings", "stays with team", etc globally, and use icons to represent each that are displayed by their name, so that you only need a few players to mark them and they'll stay marked for all players, so you only need to add the ones that you actually play well with.

[torpid sky]

i literally finished all my contracts by just playing, i never went out of the way to do them, iirc i had that 45m contract and i got a 60m headshots contract and i finished them all without paying attention

also again no one told u to play world tour can finish the 1m cash contract in qc if u want it's the long road one but as long as u have fun playing the mode then it's fine, but if u want to finish it asap then u have to challenge yourself and play the mode u don't like it's not that hard

[waxen olive]

nerf the defib cuz its the only reason that medium is still meta

[molten spruce]

Add custom games mode to the game where the community can make their own modes and stuff, similar to ow2 and cs2

[mild veldt]

Or...the Devs just give an option to let you re-roll your contract if you think it won't bring you any enjoyment and treat the game like a chore.

It's just a simple help, it would for sure stop people from complaining too.

[small flint]

Omfg! IM litterally EMPTYING MY MAG ON a FUKING heavy and the fuxker wont die! Yet he can just grab me with his piss grab hook, I’m stunned and he oneshots me!

Ass fuxking balance

[teal minnow]

Yep, as I said that gun was a blessing from god when it was an underdog but not it's in the spotlight and everyone uses it it's just not as special as it was for me ,it was good while it lasted but I guess that's how it goes.. Model is easy to learn ,hard to master gun (imo)

KS-23 and Double Barrel both high risk high reward as weapons should be, if a weapon is low risk ,high reward then it's overturned. I keep seeing ppl saying nerf DB but man try to play it and see if you can play like those DB lights. If you can complain after.

Can't wait for Triple Barrel shotty (if it's true) to be in this game cus Double Barrel sounds awesome but Triple Barrel? now that's the kind of shit I need

[halcyon lagoon]

They should add a turkey hat. Since ya know. It’s thanksgiving.

[quick stag]

Could be another grenade launcher tooo....

High arena damage one maybe?

[keen lily]

holy shit 2700 points is not something I expected to get, thanks! big win

[slim rampart]

Nerf deffi maybe? Playing vs 3x med is so fun.

[fringe shore]

The spawns in ranked are abolutely terrible, why on earth is it that when you kill a team on a finished vault, the same team you just killed will more often than not spawn directly on the cashout you're going to. then when you have a good amount of time on a cashout it will spawn you to the other cashout which has 10 seconds remaining. i understand this might be a difficult problem to fix but in its current state it is not fair.

[atomic delta]

Everytime i listen to the Season 1 or 2 soundtrack i realize how much i want the feature that lots of people have been asking for. an OST selector in the menu. I would take Rocket league as a great example it gives you the option to choose from which playlist (in RL its also in Seasons) you want to have music randomly chosen. Just select all if you want a random mix, only select season 1 for the nostalgia. and so on

Additionally, rocket league has the feature where you press a button and you just skip the current song. which would also help a lot if there is a specific song in a playlist that you dont like.

Overall, i think the OST of this game is peak, so i want to hear it all the time!

Also guys, if you haven't nominated this game for Best sountrack in the steam awards i dont know what you are doing wrong.

Another edit: im also so hyped for the season 5 soundtrack. Season 4 was good (nothing tops season 2 imo) but im just hoping S5 OST is a banger!

[wraith salmon]

daily reminder for embark to update fsr2 to fsr3.1.2

[upper citrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183069658086117447/1299209361549299794/12131387_97486-ezgif.com-speed.gif

[fleet timber]

EMBARK please allow rerolling or skipping contracts maybe for VRS I have 5000/5000 because some contracts are fucking pain in ass, they are not about fun, it s like u trying and trying some shit contract which depends mostly on luck or it just annoying

[deep summit]

Rank Score Compensation wasn't implemented correctly, I deserve at least 1k, I lost about 5k to cheaters

[elder blade]

are grenades every going to be fucking nerfed? holy fuck this game is unplayable right now with the grenade spam

[crisp heart]

Please add a hud safe zone / hud safe area / hud padding option to confine hud to 16:9 area on monitors with larger aspect ratios

[teal minnow]

Can you steal it with 10 seconds remaining? No so it doesn't really matters at that point .. except kill money

[autumn oyster]

Ranked feels INCREDIBLY BALANCED! I've never experienced such balance in my matches throughout the last two seasons. Someone deserves a raise for making ranked this good!

[inland sedge]

yes

[acoustic quail]

poor netcode and poor performance. what is so hard

[light zenith]

how may ai ask

[outer ridge]

suggestion
make battle pass items come back in the shop rotaion
but delayed by 2 seasons

[serene gale]

please let light put night vision while being transparent without becoming visible

[wooden timber]

why tf is the sponsor showdown reward the same as Iseul-T circuit???

[deft dew]

The battlepasses should be a bit of a grind but.. If they're gona continue to require this much XP I'll propably wont continue to buy them. I played more this season than any other, completet all Contracts so far. Still have like 500.000xp to go.
Again i understand the grind, but I'm paying real money for this content.

[final solar]

could be great to have the possibility to save skins, like have selfmade skin presets

[olive fulcrum]

average tactical shooter player

[autumn oyster]

receiving 3k points with new balanced ranked among platinum lobbies was very satisfying! Looks like it's time for me to spend more money on a few skin packs

[unreal fossil]

Embark I think you haven't updated the reward for this circuit, it still displays the ISEUL-T SA1216.

[night glen]

They don't seem to care about the challenges being correct. If they did, they would make them a little distraction instead of a grind session to have tom complete them. That way the casual player could get them, and if they grind them out, take a day, then get back to normal play without having to concentrate on the challenges. This season's challenges are way to stupid to think they care about the entire player base, they only care about the try-hards. So, they don't care about making sure things are up to date, they don't even care to fix the spawning people so far away from the cashout that there is no chance to get there before the end of the game. The devs don't care enough to pay attention to the functionality improvements, they only want to add things people don't care about. I feel sorry for the future of this game with the things they are concentrating on adding and "improving". They still haven't fixed the bug that marks all the game modes as new every time you start the game.

[versed cloud]

Take the range of the swords left click and apply it to the right click..job done.

[dire herald]

Medium triple needs a change, the majority of players I see in competitive use that composition because it is the most versatile class and is the only one with something as strong as the decilibridator, which reincorporates a mid-life partner back into the ring Not to mention that if they have the healing ray, it means recovering a full-life partner, they are teams that you have to kill twice to be able to take them out for a while.

It is not because it is broken or meta, my complaint comes from the fact that each game begins to be repetitive as we always see the same team compositions where it is less and less frequent to see varied teams

[tranquil mantle]

whatever u had open last goes 2 there

[timid abyss]

@devs the cosmetics are cool and all, but can we make the game run good again?

[upper citrus]

https://medal.tv/games/the-finals/clips/iEcEax70eXDc5tbsA/d13374d40ixB?invite=cr-MSxMcG4sNDcyMDY5NSw

They should really buff cloak

[silent fog]

buff Fcar, nerf charge n slam, fix spawns.
Remove Kyoto from at least ranked.

[random lagoon]

but the alien from season 1 came back and embark got so much hate since the rewards are “Exclusive”

[outer ridge]

i see
you pay for both methods but i guess people like to brag then
oh well

[bold silo]

DEVs why dont you talk with us a bit here?

I think discussion would help improve the game a lot, anybody willing to openly chat and debate balances and current state of the game?

This one side efforts with 1 buff/nerf a month is shortcut to stagnation and game cancelation.

[hoary vessel]

this game needs a cookie grenade skin and the inspect is where you take a bite out of it

[tacit jacinth]

You should be able to throw the spear

[light otter]

The finals is my spirit animal (i love heavy)

[frank jungle]

Remove lights (or the m11 I'd be equally happy)

[wintry trout]

performance is worse than ever.
ping is especially egregious. definitely 500ms+ every game.
embark needs to seriously reconsider their roadmap.
you guys need to stop pushing attempted fixes for random shit that nobody cares about and focus only on player connection and gameplay experience. ping. serverside processing. overall map destruction performance.
every time you guys try to fix random bullshit, you make the game worse. performance is horrible. many matches are straight unplayable.
high ping has been an issue since launch and you guys know that, which is why you still refuse to give us a ping readout. destruction performance is horrible, especially notable on maps with more buildings and less permanent structures, like kyoto. you know this because you keep making small changes to that stuff. it's not working. it's getting worse. you need to overhaul destruction or abandon the idea that the entire map needs to be destructible. maybe introduce more maps like seoul where there are permanent, inaccessible structures that make up part of the map. less buildings, more open terrain with small cover. what you envisioned isn't working anymore and if you can't afford more powerful servers to make up for it, or if you can't find a way to improve performance regardless of the server hardware, then you need to scale back the way you're building the game.
you keep building on a broken foundation and it's going to only continue to get worse.
you need to strip it back. pull an old build from the repo. destruction code from launch or something. and start over with that foundation and build new code on that. stop adding spaghetti to the pot. there's already too many noodles to cook evenly.

[elder folio]

The sponsor showdown has the same reward as stage 3 of the circuits?

awesome game tho, good work. balance it more tho

[high frost]

DAER DEVELOPERS I REALLY ENJOY FAMAS PELTING ME FROM ACROSS THE MAP ANOTHER JOB WELL DONE ON HAVING BALANCED WEAPONS

[languid badge]

no hud bug? joined in progress bank it.

[timid phoenix]

It was me sorry

[true hornet]

sledgehammer hitbox feels totally fucked up idk if its todays patch or the last one but its really wack with the normal swings

[silent fog]

buff Fcar, nerf charge n slam, fix spawns.
Remove Kyoto from ranked at least.

[quick coyote]

Can we perma ban people who waste tokens 5 meters away

[carmine thistle]

what every cloak user experiences in high ranked

[foggy wave]

Can u add skins to weapon optics... they ruin the gun skins right now
And can u please flip the red dot sight on the AKM to the right side of the gun? it's blocking half the skin

[olive fulcrum]

never add more anime into the game

[valid canyon]

DEAR EMBARK CAN WE PLEASE DO SMTH ABT THE MMM META ITS SO FCKN ANNOYING I WIPE THE ENTIRE TEAM EXCEPT ONE AND THEN 5 SECONDS LATER THERE ALL BACK AND FULL HP ITS SO ANNOYING SO LIKE WHEN PEOPLE GET DIFFIBED GET RID OF THERE ABILITIES SO THEY CANT ALL DEFIB AND HEAL EACH OTHER AND THEN GETTING SPREAYED FROM EVERYWHERE BY AKM FACR AND FAMAS THE GAM IS NOT BASED AROUND MEDUIMS ITS BASED AROUND ALL CLASSES SO ACT LIKE IT

[royal forge]

FIX THE RANKING SYSTEM AND THE MATCHMAKING. there is NO way I should spend at least 30 minutes of my like to finish second place and win 400 POINTS ONLY.

[uneven dagger]

CAPS LOCK MAKES ME LOOK LOUD AND IMPORTANT IM SURE YOU GUYS CARE A LOT ABOUT MY OPINIONS AND TANTRUMS

[woeful lagoon]

nerf flamethrower range by a meter

[fresh locust]

why tf do i get a 10 minute leaver penalty if my teammate leaves the game and i follow suit because i cant compete with 2 people

[deep sierra]

Buff fcar or add the Aug a3 to medium next season.

[vital falcon]

More faces please

[unborn garnet]

So no server fixes? Are you guys getting new servers? Anything?

[gloomy kiln]

if u didnt figure it out yet the guy has a ESP

[upper citrus]

no he doesnt, cloak is just bad

[random lagoon]

It might also just be because cloak is loud as shit

[buoyant zinc]

how far away was that guy in that first clip, cant even see him, might just be the vid quality

[celest aurora]

why is everyone here so negative

[glacial oyster]

oh please can we have more body options for the heavy

i wanna make my heavy look like carlea1 whos a 6.8ft karate champion https://i2.paste.pics/R1YD7.png?rand=5Tth42J96k

[clever hawk]

Light
Cloak
˗ Decloak time: 0s → 0.5s
˗ No weapon fire when cloaked

• Reduce activation cost by 40%
• Less audible beyond 10m
• Better invis when still

93R

• RPM: 220 → 230
• Reduce hipfire bloom
• Mag: 21 → 24
• Add sight

V9S

• Min dropoff: 10m → 12m
• Max dropoff: 15m → 16m

M11
˗ DMG: 16 → 14

• Min dropoff: 10m → 12m
• Dropoff modifier: 62% → 70%

XP

• Tac reload: 2.25s → 2.05s
• Empty reload: 2.5s → 2.25s

Stun Gun
˗ Movement cap ends once 75 DMG dealt
˗ Movement increased to walk speed

• Disable Turret for 1s

Glitch Nade

• Destroys Defib hologram

Vanish Bomb

• Radius: 3m → 4m
  ˗ + Same changes as Cloak

Breach

• Priming delay: 2s → 1.25s
• Cooldown: 30s → 25s

Bore

• Cooldown: 45s → 35s

Smoke

• Cleanse detection effects

Track Dart

• Display enemy health

Thermal Vision

• Players have team colours

Medium
Turret

• Startup time: 5s → 3s
• Fully refund on pickup
• Increase recall recharge by 50%
• Replace the scan with a fixed cone of vision for consistent detection
  ˗ Add lock-on timer per class
  L: 0.75s
  M: 0.5s
  H: 0.25s

Demat
˗ Cooldown: 10s → 13s
˗ Duration: 30s → 20s

FCAR

• Smooth initial recoil
• Minor zoom increase

AKM

• Mag: 32 → 35

R.357

• Reduce hipfire bloom

1887
˗ Pellet DMG: 13 → 12

Defib
˗ Destructible holograms
˗ 10s cooldown upon being rezzed
˗ 5s cooldown for other Gadgets/Specs
˗ Remove iframes

Glitch Trap
˗ Attach: 0s → 0.5s

• Drains 50% HP of Defib hologram

APS

• Radius: 3m → 3.25m

Reshaper

• Show sequence on tablet

Heavy
Mesh

• Base cooldown: 4s → 3s
• Cooldown when damaged: 8s → 3.5s

Winch

• Range: 12m → 15.9m
• Allow winching of enemy statues
  ˗ Winched player proximity: 1m → 5m

Charge
˗ Max DMG: 130 → 120
˗ Ramp DMG from 70-120 over 1.25s
˗ Subsequent DMG: 50 → 30

Goo Gun

• Hold alt fire to create a trail that induces a slide at 1.25x speed (8m length + 20s duration)

KS-23

• Remove dispersion
• Empty reload: 2.2s → 1.4s
• Minor destruction AOE penetration

[lapis yoke]

I'm noticing a persistent tracker dart bug more frequently than I used to.

[gloomy kiln]

he snaps to u at 26 seconds and beams from 50 mtrs away. beside that he is already known to be a cheater on asia lol mans like on hes 4th account with 1 that was ruby

[lime lichen]

v9s does NOT need a buff

[uneven dagger]

nobody else here has correct opinions besides me

[quick coyote]

I don't understand the shotgun nerf.

If a light can kill a light in two shots, why can't a medium kill a medium in two shots?
If a light can make a mistake against a shotgun player, they aren't punished hard enough. If a shotgun player makes 1 mistake fighting a light, your dead.

[finite galleon]

because light takes far greater risk by getting in your face with a shotgun compared to medium. That said, light's role is glass cannon, high burst damage for close to no health.

you can't apply the same logic Light runs by and slap it on Medium, which is already the case with model but sure.

[small dawn]

Please add ranked bank it

[vestal bramble]

Hey so with people recently gaining and losing rank due to cheaters in matches I was wondering, I had a cheater on my team in WT and reported them, they were banned, will I lose WT points for this? I’m almost at emerald 1, I’m not sure if I need to gain an extra 25-50 points to secure my E1 rank in case I’ve played with other cheaters or if I’m safe, anyone know how this works?

[tropic swift]

I think a lot of the challenges'' problems are very similar to early Halo Infinite. Tedius challeges like killing an enemy 30 meters away with a gadget is dumb. It does not encourage fun but forcing yourself to not enjoy the game. The rewards probably is what makes it hard, but I think there can be a more casual way to make challenges.

[unborn garnet]

So like.... when are servers fixes dropping?

[halcyon pewter]

When is the visual bugs on challenges going to be fixed?

[glad ginkgo]

Eclipse shade idea for R.357 magnum

[young minnow]

Getting 2 light teammates gotta be the worst thing you can get 😭

[iron ledge]

good feedback lol

[lilac garden]

I absolutely hated the wheel for the event
I only missed two tickets and I still had to buy four items in order to complete for a total of 1200 multibucks

[lyric whale]

u couldve just not bought? Isnt that just u?

[jagged cedar]

because light's kit revolves around being a glass cannon. Medium's kit revolves around be a support class

[quick coyote]

if you wanted to make a team based game shouldn't have a selfish class like light and should have kept more players so people that want to play aren't forced to solo queue or spend 1 hour in your LFG

[fresh locust]

PLEASE LOBBY MUSIC PACKS, every season a new one drops and I'd love to be able to choose which one I can listen to. I love every season's music tracks so far (except for season 3 but I just didn't like s3 in general)

[iron bough]

1- Matchmaking sucks.
2- Solo and new player experience sucks
3- Balance sucks.
4- Crashes.
5- Lag
6- Weird microtransaction decisions.

[quick coyote]

lights arent supposed to be selfish, they're supposed to flank, gather information and help with objectives as far as im concerned.
this game is only struggling due to lights not understanding that, lights should be allowed to play distance and look for flanks, but a large majority of them dont do that.
the light class isnt necessarily a problem, its more of the players.

[burnt notch]

Ur criticism is not constructive or valid, maybe try including ways to fix the stuff ur concerned about

[raw blaze]

well. This might just be the worst gameplay I have seen in my entire life...

:)

[marble hearth]

Let me get this straight i get suspended for leaving world tour even tho both of my other teamates already left. MAKE IT MAKE SENSE

[keen heath]

Most of the Melee weapons don’t really need a Buff/Change to them.
Dagger, Hammer, Riot Shield are all in a good spot, But the others are slightly wonky with slight.
Sword after the Nerf to its hit box on the charge attack it has suffered a lot and would probably be better if It got its range back or even half of it back
Dual Blades It’s 3rd auto attack feels super slow and maybe not even needed at all as for its deflect it feels very inaccurate it feel all I’m doing is delaying my lifetime
Spear is honestly pretty much great only thing is I think the Spin move should be a hold down and when you let go the swinging will stop after the next attack swing and not always do 3 spin

There are also other ways the Buff Melee as a whole by giving special Passives when using a Melee weapon

1. Bonus movement speed, basically as long as you are using a Melee weapon you are faster then your respective class
2. Give Temporary HP when you kill someone, not alot just like 50hp that decays overtime so you can fight more people at once
3. Small Bonus HP to Melee users, anyone who uses a Melee weapon will be given 50 hp on top of there current amount this would give them an extra edge to survive fights more and honestly make them a great threat to deal

In the end Melee still needs to have something to be able to fight against a Meta Full of Guns and Ranged combat
And if anyone says “Melee is OP and doesn’t need to be Buff” then why isn’t Melee part of the Meta?

[vapid drum]

Revolver Rework Please

[mossy cape]

remove kyoto its been in the map pool every week

[subtle gazelle]

We need more mid match events in s5 like bring back dead go boom in a nerfed state (cuz it was super lethal) and im honestly down with getting rid of low grav

[empty ruin]

looking for a duo to carry :/ dm me pls

[unborn garnet]

Fix servers

[errant hornet]

Dearest embark. Please 🙏 fix equipment wheel on mnk. Please 🙏 fix the bug that keeps removing my weapon cosmetics and emotes. And also Please 🙏 rework the "blast caster" achievement. 😳

[raw blaze]

Why does shit just break randomly. Sometimes you just can't throw nades, sprint, crouch, shoot. It's such a piss off and it's inconsistant as hell

[worldly owl]

Why can't i see the community event progress bar in-game anymore for the Iseul-t Trendplate since the new update? And if it ended, i didn't get it, even tho i contributed

[burnt notch]

imagine using equipment wheel on mnk

[dry kiln]

Players that just idle when losing in world tour should be giving a warning and if done more then once suspended. Three games in a row with this kind of behavior.

[gusty pine]

M11 feckin broken, nerf damage please

[lyric whale]

can we disable emotes for people using GL's and sword bc when u use those ur bad therefore lose the right to disrespect people

[uneven dagger]

True

[raw blaze]

WHAT THE FUCK EMBARK, I BE LOSING BEFORE REACHING PLAT BC OF THINGS LIKE THIS?!?!!

https://steamusercontent-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/46820502650524395/9CBABD6CE337361796380DCE6972BE26D6F6BBA5/

https://steamusercontent-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/46820502650524908/AAC613C0EE746273BB2B3C0202029CAE6AA80B16/

[peak wagon]

My brother in Christ I just got into plat, what nonsense is this?? @pearl kiln

[valid canyon]

embark how high are you cuz wtf is the famas dmg as a light i peak fgor one second and BOOM half my health is gone and a headshot basically kills me PLEASE NETRF IT INSTEAD OF DOING NOTHING LIKE USAL and please do smth abt mmm im so tired of that bs and the famas bs and how u buffed and nerfed model so its basically the same

[keen heath]

Maybe try combining Healbeam and Defib together so your right click on Healbeam charges it up to Defib a teammate this would also let mediums pick another gadget instead of always to take Defib

Add: maybe also change how Defib a Specific will give different hp
Lights Revive at full heal
Medium revives alittle over half HP
Heavy revive at Half HP
Still 1 second Invincibility

yes this also means Defib as a gadget will be removed no double revive powers your either a support medium or a DPS take your pick invincibility

[lyric whale]

u got outskilled bc he hit a headshot burst cope and stop asking for nerfs at this point we need to buff weapons to the famas's level instead of nerfing unless u want this game to end up like siege

[gusty pine]

I love playing heavy as of late, and I've died so many times I can confidently say that it can do ~250 damage in less than a second, sometimes more

[balmy pewter]

Do footsteps stop making noise when I scope in on a sniper or is it just me

[craggy nova]

Putting a sliver and gold player against ruby player in ranked is crazy. And I just lost 400 rs plus yesterday 4K rs

[mellow geyser]

It’s not fun being shot in the butt and then chased around the whole map. Not any fun. Happens many times every match.

[raw blaze]

yo real

[versed hazel]

Delete Kyoto. its buggy, it runs like shit and the design sucks

[viral comet]

let frags count as explosive damage? I mean they explode why wouldn't they count

[deep sierra]

This game was so much better in season 1 remove all the nerfs and make everything meta. If every thing is meta= balance.

[delicate star]

Remove kyoto

[crisp bolt]

can we get a sight for the 93r and maybe an extra 2 damage for a body shot the visual for this gun in kinda bad when u ads it very bad actually

[lost talon]

when you wipe a team all your teammates should get auto defibbed maybe, this might actually impact third partying

[versed hazel]

Just wondering what happens to the cosmetics that we miss out on when the community event/challenge isnt completed? is there any chance these items will show up somewhere else in the future? im just a little bummed we missed out on the Iseul-T top from the most recent community challenge.

Also delete Kyoto

Oh oops, TY! @quick coyote

[quick coyote]

we did completed that. we will receive the reward later today
check #game-announcements

[elfin creek]

Bump light health to 175 and lower heavy health to 325 please, just an idea to level out the health difference between all of the classes

[shy token]

As we can all see, THE FINALS' community is deeply passionate when it comes to concept art and making drip. Earlier this year we saw the switch away from exclusive bundle pricing to individual items now being made available for purchase. This alone allowed a great amount of customisation and personalisation of the game. But @shy token is back this time to argue the case for community driven input.

By allowing the community to create fan-made concepts and outfits using available items, TF has allowed its community to creatively flourish. However, we think, and there are others who have considered this idea as well within the community, that new community made items should be given the chance to be official and in-game.

This would not be the first time that such a thing exists in the world of gaming. Warframe's 'TennoGen' is one of the best examples of having the community be involved in the creative process. This engagement's potential is virtually limitless and invaluable for the game's longevity and community. It can be further sustained by giving the creator(s) a chance to be awarded through a variety of ways, in combination or merely by themselves:
(a) recognition,
(b) in-game or IRL payment,
(c) but most importantly a free (perhaps personalised) version of the very same item that will be immortalised in the world of TF.
(DAY 95)

[vapid drum]

Embark Please Rework the Revolver

[midnight aurora]

glitch barrels should destroy revive holograms

[midnight aurora]

stun gun needs to go the way of the recon and disappear from this game

[covert needle]

Been in queue for ranked for 30min, I've closed and restarted the game 3 times. Any advice?

[versed hazel]

play another game

[valid ember]

kyoto is a fine map

[unborn garnet]

every map being orange from holtow is funny

[quick coyote]

The "interrupt 10 cashout steals" contract is STILL BROKEN
so many times killing them or using winch claw on the box it does not count
need to give like 1 sec of tolerance cause they almost always stop holding the steal button right before you kill them

[uneven mountain]

As a player Im always confused on the balancing situation, the player meta and actual game changes always confuse me. It also frustrating when these meta are required to win as any other non meta weapon is no match and is a guaranteed loss. There are also mini metas in each match that make playing infuriating as at that point the game is just chance and hoping your weapon is a counter for the enemies and theirs isnt for yours. This rapidly changing meta also discourages returning players from staying, a returning player would use a loadout from an old meta and be dominated in a match discouraging them for staying. I can name several meta that happened in the course of this season first it was pike then after nerf there was a 1 week period where people were still using it and people like myself using the AKM got a ridiculous amount of kills, then the meta changed as more people started to use the shotgun, because of this I got bashed by shottys as I was still using the AKM. Then the shotgun gets nerfed right after I start using it so I switched back to the AKM after the nerf discouraged me from using shotty. Then people started using Famas more so I had to pick up the famas if I wanted a chance at winning however I am really uncomfortable with burst weapons so I couldnt have much success with that leaving me in this zone where I pretty much have to hop that enemy contestants dont use Famas. In my opinion raising the time to kill for all weapons would make it so kill are more reliant on people being unaware of their surroundings and getting jumped on but make the damage fall off at range greatly increased so this cant be used at a moderate distance but rather only as a reward for sneaking up on contestants. I was really satisified in season 1 with the meta

[idle grove]

Nobody is cheating 🥲

[frank holly]

Bro buff the fcar already sheesh

[sacred glacier]

make a want to play channel

[violet elbow]

damn he kinda rolled your shit, 20-2 is crazy

[onyx crystal]

-lfg

[spiral light]

<:thefinals:1108025386081714196> LFG CHANNELS

Europe:
#lfg-eu-casual • #1290634115720286209 • #lfg-eu-ranked

North America:
#lfg-na-casual • #1290634275737305190 • #lfg-na-ranked

Asia:
#lfg-asia-casual • #1290634388014633054 • #lfg-asia-ranked

Oceania:
#lfg-oce-casual • #1290634528255246439 • #lfg-oce-ranked

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#lfg-sa-casual • #1290635941211410443 • #lfg-sa-ranked

Go to id:customize to show/hide specific channels.

[keen lily]

it gets better once you reach 35k, trust

[formal sphinx]

Please can we have consistent spawn distance? At the moment the game is giving a gimme to those who hold the cash out 30 seconds from the end.

[subtle saddle]

BattlePass Bonus AND Sponsors are WAY too needy. grind is ridiculously time consuming for people with things to do outside of 1 single game
had no trouble with s1 or s2's bp but its just getting crazy now

[tulip sierra]

Absolutely agree with the person above. Especially I want to point out the amount of grind required for page 13 and 14 ?aka extras?. I get the idea behind it, it's luxurious rewards and stuff but man, it's way too time consuming

Just noticed that I basically said the same, my bad. Thought they meant whole BP

[sterile patrol]

I finished my BP and sponsor event in a month, also I reached emerald1. And for more than a month I had nothing to grind for... So peeps saying BP is too grindy is crazy.. if u can't invest time into this game, don't invest money into BP...

[woeful arch]

The Engimo sponsor card (that you put in Contestants' profile background) looks so much better than HOLTOW, why???? HOLTOW literally shows nothing once the Contestant is in front of the card, ugh.

[full umbra]

I did get kill with a flowerpot but game didnt give me achievement.

[uneven prawn]

medium gets another nerf and lights go on untouched. crazy stuff.

[feral elm]

Why doesn't the riot shield effectively block throwing knives ?

[dark niche]

Model doesnt even seemed nerfed more Buffed with the pellets, still shoot and melee, still cancels the reload so whats the point in the whole Model nerf if people can still cancel the reload with the Melee. just needs a whole rework with damage its legit a sniper some times, doing 80 + damage from 30m

[robust pollen]

I honestly think there should be a system where you can redeem a type of reward currency for reaching emerald or ruby and use that for a specific weapon you’d like to have it on.

Reason I bring it up is that grinding for this season on the world tour (which is currently my favorite gamemode to play), to only later find out the rewards with less than a month of time in the season was a bit of a letdown. I like the aesthetic of emerald skins but it was discouraging to see that the rewards revealed were for the XP and the sledge. I play both light and heavy and would have rather had those skins on weapons I actually use. I know not everyone has the same preferences as I do, but I think giving contestants the choice to redeem the skin on a weapon they choose for that season should be a norm. Same for those who reach gold, diamond, and plat on the ranked tournament mode.

For example, I really wanted the emerald skin for the m11, but I wasn't even aware of the rewards for emerald because I was actually playing ranked terminal attack since I enjoy games with search and destroy layouts. I don't remember either when the emerald skin rewards were announced during season 3, but I know that by the time word came to me, it was far too late and I didn't have time. Even more so considering the world tour in season 4 was worked to be less grindy compared to how it seemed to players in season 3.

[rough herald]

like the nerf did anything at all

[uneven prawn]

its the fact that medium got nerfed again, yet the m11 or silenced pistol arent. baffling

[teal minnow]

The problem in s1/s2 was that it's too easy ,now the problem is that it's too hard🙃

[midnight aurora]

stop making join empty games

[mortal notch]

thinking m11 needs a nerf is a major major skill issue. same with the v9s. the only reason your complaing abt it is becuse the m11 is the only viable weopon on light right now after the xp nerf (witch needs its dmg back) also the model nerf diddnt even do anything and needs another nerf. the model is fudementally bad for the game and op the m11 is not clear lack of understanding

[proper geode]

serious qustion to devs , what is the purpose of the powershift? is it meant for casual game? is it objective oriented? it has just become a farming fest of smurf players no platform holding just playing around or camping spawn. what is the purpose really? when you have 2 players not competitive in your group rest will just suffer. you want to try a new class or mechanic good luck lol you will become a burden for your group, it is that toxic now. i feel cashout is much more fun and casual at the moment at least you can focus on your objective.

[quick coyote]

Damm, is complaining and crying all ya know?

[plush fjord]

Defending lights with ur effing life just cuz u main lights and saying "skill issue" to ppl that complain abt actually overpowered weapons that arent healthy is actually mad

And now ur in the process you cause other classes to get nerfed (model was a justified nerf tho).

Like guy just stop trying. no one in the community cant actually decide whats "fundamentally bad" for the game and thats the devs job. u just tell them whats bothering u and fix it, like lmao, if the gun was "fundamentally bad" then embark wouldnt have made it so powerful or wouldnt have even created it
Yeah sure, the model IS op, but then just saying that guns of ur own class are not op just because you dont want ur own class to get nerfed is shit. And u know thats why ur defending m11 so much.
Ur opinions are literally evidently based on emotions, yes model is op, but why is m11 not op, would u care to actually give some real stats and logical reaosning? no, u arent

You really arent the one to tell other players whats a skill issue and when is it, everytime a light complain comes up its a skill issue, nah thats not how it works.

@uneven prawn its alright some light mains just tend to be toxic, and theres really no reason for any medium or heavy main to complain about "the only viable weapon on light" (which is a joke), they got their probs rn

[torpid sky]

i don't mind if they remove them but they have to get rid of the visual recoil

[mortal notch]

ur just yapping at this point. not trying to get other classes nerfed never did that or said anthing abt that. im defending m11 becuse dying to it and thinking it needs to be nerfed is a skill issue. like i said im a heavy crunch n slam main i havnt played light in ranked in 2 seasons. again you have no real point aside from im right your wrong. m11 is the only vaible light weapon rn, im not being toxic your just consistently being a hipocrite dying and complaing about high skill ceiling./nerf chain weapons. keep being a model crutch dude. stop replying to my mes ima have to just copy n paste this again since you still have no real point and are just repeating the same thing whilst being a hypocrite

[lyric whale]

Defib needs a change and the fact there hasnt been one is crazy. It needs to be put either on a team wide cooldown or someone whose been defibed should have their defib put on cooldown. I shouldnt need 6 kills to win 1 fight. Model got nerfed please defib next.

[quick coyote]

Lol

[plush fjord]

No guy, theres a simpler solution.
Put all specializations and gadgets on cooldown when a person is defibbed. That way you cant defib mid-battle if you just got defibbed by another person mid-battle.

[verbal breach]

Funny changes that should be implemented

Dual Blades:

-Damage Combo to 110, 120, 80
| Allows for kill combos with a quick melee, or remove the third part outright

-Deflected Bullets can crit (uses crit mod from the deflected weapon)
| raises skill ceiling

-blocks 33% of explosion damage
| we need something against grenade launchers, ok

93R:

-Damage down to 22
| don't get mad yet

-shots/burst to 5
| differentiates it from Famas, making it more unique and more in line with other light weapons damage output

-mag size to 25
| dividable by 5 while keeping the damage/mag similar

[gaunt condor]

the only change defib needs is removing the 1 sec immunity

[rough herald]

one more
make the res person have no cd

[kind stirrup]

fix spawns

[regal stratus]

i think a pretty interesting idea on the defib and i saw this from a friend that forwarded me a another player's idea on this is that by making the heal beam right click kinda rez a dead teammate but not instantly more of like TF2 MVM medic rez so maybe a couple of seconds for them to be rez and potentially put the healbeam on half "overheat" or 2/3 or even just full cooldown so they will have to decide mid battle to either rez or heal the teammate fighting. So this makes Medium think a little bit instead of just bum rushing in with a defib holding left click and just letting it go once. This is also frees the defib slot for potentially more playstyles, so there would be an actual 3 classes for the medium either going support with healbeam, defense or anti flank or whatever with the turret or be agro with demat.

This is not my original idea it was from another player im just making it a bit detailed on this idea

[pale grotto]

My ISEUL-T stage 3 contract, "earn 1mil cash from any game modes", has remained at 990,000 after winning 4 Power Shift matches of the 6 i needed to play for a Sponsor Showdown contract.
This is possibly not tracked by the Xbox achievement tracker as well, as my 50mil achievement didn't pop until I had approximately 51,250,000.

There is an instance where players will become permanently scanned, possibly from a combination off being scanned by the Sonar Grenade or dart gun, and the server connectivity being poor. This effect persists through all forms of death and revival until a match ends and its possible that the affected player with have the on screen warning that they have been scanned for the duration as well.
This has been present since Christmas last year but has happened for me very very rarely, currently I have seen it twice in one day on Quick Cash, before that was about mid last season, on Terminal Attack.

There are some odd interactions between the Sports Cleats and Valor Shift Pants, the socks show through the bottom of the pants in patches.

Please consider making the Totalizer charm larger, it's hard to read the numbers on aome weapons and when used on the Riot Shield its facing to the right so you can't even read it.

[high wing]

SWORD is so BROKEN, HAS been since first closed BETA, can you fix it pls

[rough saffron]

We need white t-shirt why we only have black t-shirts give us the same in white pls embark ❤️
Need it to cook outfits

[plush fjord]

Get us a more detailed intro for the opening scenes in ranked and TA, and get them in powershift as well

[torpid sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/714245295659024397/1251977229378781275/Card.gif

[pale grotto]

What we could do with is either a colour picker for clothes or a large wardrobe of colours to choose from, maybe even charge a tiny amount of VRs for them because there's nothing else to do with them 95% of the time

[trail terrace]

Please show us network latency and ping numbers and also where exactly the servers are so I can at least come to the reality that my connection will always be shit or I just need a different isp

[thin grail]

lovely spawns

[daring fossil]

connection will always be shit. In alpha I was getting 80-90 ping and most games if I connect to servers in west or central US I would get 40-50 ping tops, so they either only have like US East servers, or the netcode is shit, or both.

[fresh ibex]

Politely asking Embark to add quitting penalties

[regal stratus]

its only broken if you don't respect their range and how fast they can kill you, sword users are big risk big reward but now with the nerf to them its big risk and just maybe a reward they don't even know if they can get the kill or not now since the left click has more range the lunge and they can't really escape that well, also just bring a glitch trap that's all it takes 1 single glitch trap to ruin a swords users day or even flamethower. FYI im no means a sword user nor a light main, i strictly speaking from as medium main revolver. Season 3 sword was more or less the sweet spot for sword the season 4 buff was not needed by any means but seems like embark can't balance in between by idk maybe reverting it back to season 3 sword instead they nerfed into the ground. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsuVsyKawV4&t=681s he explains it well so look at this video.

This game has so much potential but embark just can't seem to find the right balancing between buffing to the heavens or nerfing it into hell. Some weapons just need to revert back a season or 2 to make it balance. We dont need more nerfs we need buffs but not some game breaking buffs just some minor here and there and other weapons probably need a little more boost like the 93r (almost no one uses it) or even the dual blades again not many people use it.

[thorny lynx]

Agreed. BP was SUPER quick and Emerald 1 was the same. So my complaint is since I finished both of those in the first 3 weeks of this season.... I have suffered empty, dry content and weekly changes to the game

[iron turret]

defib is messed up needs to be fixed !!!!

[thin pagoda]

agreed went through the exact same thing finished bp super quick and got emerald 1 in like a week or so. they need to bring back the fun events like the cowboy mode thing

[vale pulsar]

fr fr the 90 damage instant combo is way too strong

[thorny lynx]

the cowboy event, easter event, last christmas event.... basically ANYTHING at this point. There is nothing but contracts and those are finished in a day or two. 0 content for an entire season!

[pale grotto]

I remember a friend telling me a while ago that an Embark dev has actually said that Lights will be near impossible to balance correctly because of what they are.

Goes to show the skill some people do have with them though. The 300 or so matches I played for the 150 win achievement, as a throwing knife light with thermal vision and smoke were intresting, nice and safe, I was a great Terminal defender, yet ive seen some people run around like the Vinnie Jones incarnation of The Juggernaut with just the knife and dash...

I can't comment on most of the weapon buffs/nerfs (though if the flamethrower could have maybe a half meter range push and more consistant burn times thats be nice Embark 😉 ), but i can on skill, and how unbalanced that has been recently. I've being getting hit consistently at 40m with the M11 in QC, by Emeralds, while I'm trying babysit 2 randoms who move like the very first CoD bots set to Recruit.
I can take a loss, it happens and with how poorly trying to get the last Sponsor page done is going I'll be seeing quite a few.
Sometimes I get to have a fun back and forth with some of them people in the lobby or team up with them, but it takes some of the fun out of it when you get stuff like that.

For a while I was actively checking to see if 2 specific people were online so that my friends and I knew if we'd be able to enjoy TA or not, which shouldn't be something people have to do to have fun.

[regal stratus]

Yeah i honestly feel your pain with the M11 and honestly its pretty sad that you have to keep checking people if they are online to just have a fun in game. The final's match making is really bad as well every "casual" game like QC, power shift is just a sweat fest, filled with emeralds and what not.

I'm not gonna lie i honestly think season 5 is more or less the final season for Embark to make of if not the biggest change to the game before it's too late, the game is already bleeding a lot of players and every new player that comes in that are actually new and not cheaters just leave because of the state of the game, they don't get to experience the potential of this game and how fun it can be when the balance of weaponry is thrown off, the match making is basically non-existent, cheaters and scripters every few games. Not to mention every fun glitch or bug like the goo ship which even till this day i don't understand why did it get removed, i understand some needed to be removed like the "nuke" or game breaking but the goo ship ?

It's just sad to see this game bleed out slowly with some of the most fun i had in a long time.

[blissful smelt]

I don't know I think it's needed some new anti-cheat software, as there's a new trend of being hit behind walls by H, or these 50+ meter UZI weapons...
I don't know 🤷🏼 once it was easier to stole cashout

[keen quiver]

if the finals coming to PS4, why not also XBOX One? & how will old console handle/run on UE5 game?

[keen lily]

can we get those 2 cheating asses banned? I suspect the middle guy just bought a boosting service or some shit like that since they're ruining all the ranked games now in EU

[stuck sentinel]

They are not cheaters
@whole portal

[clever bone]

the being hit behind walls is a connection problem,i rarly have it too but its because of sligh delay there are no cheats involved there

[whole portal]

get better lol
aimlab is free

[bold thicket]

Completely remove stun gun, it destroys the flow of the game, either remove it or make all classes have access to it.

[coral turtle]

Fix this isssss pleasssssse my net is stable ans im lagging as fuckkkk

[waxen citrus]

Hey THE FINALS I’ll vote for you in the Steam Awards if you’d add HUD CENTERING OPTIONS

STALKER 2, one of the newest UE5 games available does it out of the box. Halo MCC, NFS Underground 2 and other ANCIENT games are 1000% supported with this basic feature so maybe it’s time for you guys to add it too.

[tranquil condor]

@wheat fractal sorry dawg you guys aren’t winning anything, unless Most Broken Game 2024 is an option. LOL

[keen lily]

stop smurfing you clown, you should be banned for this too. taking a familiar name hoping you don't get banned but everyone can read

[vapid drum]

Rework Revolver Please Embark

[pale grotto]

Ahhh I loved loading a propane with a teams worth of mines and sending it, the beeping would send you insane, but it was such a beautiful explosion XD

Yeh, the main thing I keep seeing is how unfriendly it is on the ground floor for new players...

[lavish galleon]

Try to change the sensitivity for each scope.
It is difficult to use the same sensitivity for AR sights and sniper scope sights.

[cobalt anchor]

you know what lets nerf model guys... instead of nerfing db, m11, or throwing knives. fugk heavy and medium fugk those classes. the unskilled lights need more advantage... they are only the best class in the game in terms of raw damage and survivability right now... lets nerf medium and heavy more... until no one plays them anymore... lets listen to all the noobs in our discord with skill issues and destroy the balance of our game because of people complaining instead of actually buffing heavy... ingenious... i think this is a winning formula... lets just destroy everything that ever made the game great... lets let the lights go on 20 kill streak in tournaments because the quick cash console noobs are so bad they need a hand up... HOW ABOUT YOU STOP CATERING TO THE LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR AND BALANCE THE CLASSES. HOW ABOUT YOU MAKE THE GAME ENJOYABLE AGAIN... HOW ABOUT YOU BUFF HEAVY BUFF M60 AND RPG. i dont play heavy. i play medium... i think what you people have done to heavy is disgusting. i have played since closed beta and am currently plat in ranked and emerald in world tour... i find it disgusting... what you have done to heavy is just wrong. what the hell are yall doing? no one even fucking plays heavy anymore. what are you doing to the game i ask you? what are you doing? as much as id like to ignore what has happened and just run triple medium all day long or some shit you are thoroughly wrong. light needs a nerf and heavy needs a buff the game balance is destroyed. i guarantee you the 'embark buff light' guy who is typing has never placed above silver in a season of ranked. why the hell would you listen to someone who is bad at fps and has no concept of balance to begin with. The average terrible player plays light. if you listen to insufferable whiners whining all the time about how their class needs to be buffed because they suck the balance will only be degenerated until there are only lights left. m11 kills heavy in less than 2 secs wtf devs

[signal basin]

Read my name.

• **NERF MODEL ! For real not this useless nerf **
• Add an indicator for the frag grenade or at least make them more visual ?
• Nerf a bit damage Deagle at mid/long range
• Reverse XP nerf. Same dmg than a M11 but slower RPM and less bullets. JUST USELESS !
• Rework mesh shield
• Nerf Charge'N'Slam. Too much damage.
• Nerf Deagle damage
• Give back the rpm on the V9S but let the damage.
• Buff grapple. Reduce cooldown by 1 sec or add charge.
• If Hook do damage, Stun gun should do. Put damage for both of them or no damage for both of them.
• Nerf the right clic + Dash on Light. You couldn't dash with your sword or dagger charge. Too strong.
• Nerf defib. To strong. It's litteraly the M meta.
• Mates being revive with defib shouldn't tank bullets. Or should take damage !
• Patch the level up bug on weapons at the end of matches. It's been here since many months now !
• Kill, Assist, Revive and Objectives points should add more points in ranked even with you lose T1.
• Fix the recoil bug/pattern
• Fix the spawn after a wipe, SHOULD NOT RESPAWN on CashOut and camping for your vault

More on the game :

• BAN CHEATERS AND TOXIC PLAYER. I'm done of getting insult. Report them do nothing. AND PERMA BAN ! NOT 7 DAYS
• Sound balance is terrible.
• Do something for the poor matchmaking in ranked.
• Ban cheaters. We need more feedback on our report IG and on Discord.
• Increase the netcode / tickrate / servers ! Or maybe it's lag compensation ?! I'm done getting kill at 3 meters far from a hammer or a sword
• Let us choose our sight weapons at the begining of a game
• Let us go in pratice with friends
• Delete low gravity event. Just the worst event in this game.
• Some event appear in front of the scoreboard. Fix it please
• Random skin and charm list for weapons / gadgets
• Add a TDM mode for warming up.
• We shouldn't lost point in ranked when a team mate leave the squad and didn't play during the round
• Let us invite friends or join them in group even if we are not the leader
• Add the possibility to PM friends in the lobby
• Add the possibility to look at the profil/card of friends
• Let us leave a game without penality in ranked if we are only 2 or 1 in the squad !
• Some spawn are still at the opposite of the objective.

I will always post this now and add some changes time to time.

[quick coyote]

this is a discord thing but maybe add a server for privates (I mean servers)

[long arrow]

no

[worldly scaffold]

I have to disagree. I have seen a LOT of level 1 to 30 players in casual modes, player retention seems to be pretty good. Casual modes are not sweaty, they are if you think they are, you should had been around when the aim assist was bonkers, talking about sweaty... Couldn't stick your toe out you getting beamed instantly. Casual play is at its best, since the last open beta, and I have been playing casual matches only, never played ranked, always solo queue. Actually I played my first tournaments this season, it is pretty fun. Cheaters, seen like... maybe ten? My whole time, that I can tell for sure were ones. But again, I don't play ranked, so... This is a casual game, and will always be.

EDIT: Balance wise, pretty good, Light is impossible to balance, we have to accept that, You buff it too much = casual play becomes torture, You don't buff = People complain it is too weak for ranked.

Light is already strong for casual play, they can totally dominate, it is just most people suck with the class, me included.

How they should buff it, is to give it more tools to interact/support with your team. Portal is cool, but it requires communication. Right now Lights are mostly lone wolf warriors (with some exceptions, have seen amazing Lights who play with team), one trick pony, do damage. Give them utility (sonars see very little use), when I see two Lights in my team, I pretty much know I will be left alone most of the time, and I shouldn't really even go for supportive gadgets, since I get to barely use them...

Matchmaking, you have three classes, with a lot of variantion, impossible to balance. One might be amazing with H, but poopoo with L, nightmare to balance, I have accepted that.

EDIT2: To frosteepotato below, yeah I have seen them, almost every match I get matched with them. Either the game thinks I'm amazing, or I suck, pairing me with them heh.
I told the game would die after Season 3, I hated that Season, only Season I took break from the game, I was wrong.

[whole portal]

i have only 1 acc lol go check leaderboard

[stuck sentinel]

wtf 💀

[quick coyote]

Dust takes too long to settle

[bold thicket]

btw user: Podliven has a vac ban on his steam profile

[regal stratus]

Interesting guess it's just my luck then HAHAHA, i haven't really seen any level 1 - 30 players in good long while the lowest is prob i've seen of recent is maybe 45 or 50? As for the player retention i really hope you are right on that, seeing this game bleed out players is painful even tho Im not dev nor have i played it for extremely long time I really want this game to rise to it's potential.

I agree tho light is more or less impossible to balance, lights are just glass cannons. I also agree on giving it more gadgets to support the team ever so slightly so it's possible to create a "sub class" for the light

[tidal wyvern]

personally i think dfib cooldown being reset on res/spawn sounds like it could fix the "abuse"

[inland maple]

Fix the spawn system

[vapid drum]

Embark Please Rework the Revolver

[real lagoon]

pls delete stungun
it is poop

[upper citrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/714245295659024397/1251977229378781275/Card.gif

[nimble kiln]

not like the meta comp is MMH which does not involve a light but 2 models and an SA with winch(broken spec) + you're hardstuck plat so irrelevant

[slate marlin]

Please reduce the damage of the riot shield to 110

[violet elbow]

goated copypasta

[toxic shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/correct-plankton-gif-14118231

[faint saddle]

This guy in evil be like;
The current balance changes are great and make perfect sense. Light classes should be stronger because they reward skill and quick thinking. Heavy and medium classes are outdated, and it’s good that the game is moving away from them. Lights are the most versatile and fun class to play, and making them the focus improves the game overall. Players who complain about light being too strong are just stuck in the past or unwilling to adapt to a faster-paced meta. Heavy doesn’t need a buff; it’s fine that no one plays it because it’s outdated and slow. The game should cater to players who want a fast, high-damage playstyle. Listening to the community and making lights stronger is a smart move that ensures the game stays exciting and competitive. These changes make the game better for everyone. Heavy and medium classes just don’t fit anymore, and focusing on lights keeps the gameplay fresh and fun. Well done, devs!

[tame valve]

lol this is heavily biased as you play light
The game has DIFFERENT classes for a reason
If what you’re talking about is a “trend” change then might as well remove heavy and medium and only keep lights in the game
This opinion of yours is so redundant
Implying that the light class is the only one that matters
lol there are other ppl that exist that like playing other classes
The state of lights are OP
But mediums and heavy are still viable till and extent when playing against skilled players
The opinion of saying heavy and medium just don’t fit anymore is so stupid brev
There are three different classes for a reason
Focusing on ALL the classes keeps the gameplay fresh and fun lol not just light
Just say it as it is bro
You’re a light main that’s all it is
Utterly biased opinion on the state of the game
I play all three classes and I can comfortably say this
I love playing light and I can say this without any issues
It ain’t balanced

[gilded bluff]

oh my god please nerf the turrets they have too much health and their aim is way too good please lower its health and make reduce fire rate please

[quartz dirge]

Lmao. 💀

[worldly scaffold]

Turrets need a buff (that you get cooldown back based on its health when physically picking it up, it is the most punishing specialty, if you accidentally put it wrong way around for example), not worth taking most of times. You can goo it, smoke it, glitch it, de-locate it, turn it away, go around, go thru it, etc. And once you place it, you have a looong cooldown for it.

[iron bough]

This is what lack of transparency and garbage matchmaking looks like, I don't want to play World Tour because I know it's full of cheaters, emerald premades, and sweats; but I want to complete the 1M dollar contract. In this match you can see everything in 1 minute: a premade of emeralds + one cheater + a bunch of newbies getting decimated + how bad the matchmaking is + one ally crashing and the other leaving. Embark, WT is garbage, you refuse to add solo queue and your game crashes 30% of the time. Why would I play this god forsaken mode for fun?

[slender walrus]

Would be great if challenges worked in any game mode and double xp from daily’s isn’t a thing

[junior temple]

Prop hunt would go crazy in this game

[coarse dew]

L

[sudden tangle]

objective meta right now M>>>H>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>L

if u dont think so, then youre either an absolute casual or just terribly unskilled at the game.

[mortal notch]

If you genuinely think light is “the best class in the game in terms of raw dmg and survivability” 1. You are stuipd 2.light has 150hp ofc it’s dmg is going to be higher than other classes same with light having “decent” survivability
3. Go to therapy
4.you quite literally have no clue what ur talking about
5. MMH/MMM is meta and heavy is still extremely usable and one of the best classes in the game your just delusional

[keen shoal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/391277226022404098/1283485744291385416/oscar_noob.gif

[winter crane]

is this where I should suggest new cosmetic ideas?

[tacit patrol]

Embark, NEVER make this a challenge again.
God awful contract idea.
The idea I should spend so much goddam time catering to one fucking challenge with one playstyle that supports it (stun gun) is fucking stupid

YOU MADE THIS A CONTRACT THREE FUCKING TIMES

Every other contract is fairly easy to grind playing the game except this piece of shit.

[brave copper]

Get rid of defibs. Rework spawn if you have to.

[minor moon]

Skill issue

[dense ocean]

day 73 asking embark
let console players able/disable HUD

[stuck sentinel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/714245295659024397/1251977229378781275/Card.gif

[fresh locust]

skill issue defibs are balanced now

[jade bough]

My issues:

1. Worst Matchmaking, lvl 70 being teamed with 12 lvl noobs
2. Heavies Hammer and Flamethrower, nerf their damage more both of these weapons

[iron bough]

Ahahahahahah xddddddddddd kkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[late basin]

I wish battlepasses were implemented like Helldivers 2, and weapon skins used the CoD system (fun ways to unlock them)

[atomic delta]

i dont get why everybody is hating so much about that contract, i think its easy to do. if you have SOOOOOOOOOO much trouble. just go taser in Quick cash, it gets the job done easy peasy.

[analog cave]

make it so you DONT need auto sprint enabled to use omnidirectional sprint

[young smelt]

when did this become a thing

[vale turret]

ya uh nerf light classes sword this thing is unfair

[hearty hatch]

I think the tournament difficulty rating needs to be adjusted. I'm mid plat, and I'm getting "easy" tournaments filled with diamond and ruby players? That doesn't seem to make sense to me.

Also, can we get selectable menu music from previous seasons? I'd love to rock the S1 soundtrack when logging into the game.

Thanks 🙂

[tacit patrol]

I've seen five year olds with better baits than this lol
And yes I tried that but its never been something that is even remotely close to rewarding.
Most of the time I kill the team before they can even touch my cashout or my team dies. Thats the problem, I can spend 4-5 hours trying to do one contract and it isn't worthwhile. So fuck me right, I'll go play another game cause this shit is stupid

[magic ginkgo]

hey

[brave copper]

dropping a glitch trap on it or whatever isnt skill, its common sense.

The main thing that annoys me about defibs is when my own team hits me with one while my trophy is on fire or some other free death is on the way. Or when they dive to use defib instead of finishing the last guy and it just gets them killed.

It's common for 3 defibs to be the difference it takes to win a fight over a team with 2 defibs. Medium also has the best/most counters for defib. And some people wonder why lobbies look like a column of Ms so often.

anyways...

I actually didn't say defibs are OP, I said get them out. The panicky and dragged out gameplay they create is just off-putting. I'd rather teams have to play smart around revives, utilizing movement and more creative gadget/spec plays.

Or just win fights instead of throwing out a shit defib revive, dying, then thinking to themselves "I did my part."

[fresh locust]

genuinely skill issue if youre getting crushed by hammer, you have to be absolutely insane at the game to use hammer correctly and even then having a pocket healer is pretty much required to use it at all
flamethrower is annoying up close but literally just stick at a distance

[atomic delta]

bait? i literally mean that seriously. ok to be fair, i dont play ranked or world tour, but i have not had a single hard time with that quest in quick cash at least.

and you being too good means that i am baiting? whats your problem dude.

[jade bough]

Nah either way nerf it

[blissful smelt]

@clever bone nope I meant it happened a pair of time H hammering the wall of the church exactly where I was waiting the regeneration.
And other time I've seen L coming inside the room where I was (Monaco), while sneaking, and shooting with no sueprise at the exact moment of appearance.

Like if they can see trough walls

[clever bone]

ok i get it but now i that have a clearer description my take is still true just not an answer to urs my apologizes

[mortal notch]

i agree with the sledge take i played against a insane sledge main in some mele scrims and its obovuis how mutch skill it takes to make vaiable. but flamethower just pisses me of (as a sword main) and is so unskilful for the reward you get out of it with winch slam etc (with a healbot etc)

[dusty igloo]

Charge and slam should not be able to deal such a large amount of damage in such a short amount of time.
Winch claw should not cancel an entire melee attack just for a chain, I am swinging this heavy hammer and am 0.1 seconds away from it dealing damage, a quick press of q should not fully cancel that.
Defib should not be so strong with multiple on the same team. Defib on its own is grand but when you have multiple on the same team, it should be nerfed to remove invincibility on the statue phase, or make the cooldown reset on revive, or you get revived with less health and things along those lines. The 0.75s i-frames on a defib should also just be outright removed.
I as a solo queue at 31k rs should not be going against 40k rs triple stacks.

[woeful lagoon]

if your random teammate is a cheater you should not get penalized

[vapid drum]

Embark please rework the revolver

[half pawn]

The frage grenades have a spark and a little trail already, wdym?

[quick coyote]

only 15k XP per day from the daily contracts is crazy, this is one of the most egregious thing i ever seen from you guys. i already finished all my sponsor ones and i can barely earn enough.
i wouldn't have minded if they were a bit harder and gave more XP, trying to complete the battlepass and the sponsor rewards this season after being busy is such a tiresome grind, and i never had this issue before.

[sterile patrol]

If I had a heavy player in my team that hides behind the goo I would also leave.. lfg chat is there for a reason, that's how I got to emerald1, by communicating and playing with other players that I found in the finals chat.. if u go as a solo, don't expect an easy dub, especially if u don't wanna use voice chat and communicate.. and if u wanna progress in ranked or world tour, u better start looking for some teammates, and work together, that's how you win.

[tacit patrol]

Interrupt opponents who are stealing your cashout
Kill opponents within 5m radius of cashout ✅
^ This is easier to code + counts kills where opponent releases from cashout + better implementation of the concept of stopping a cashout

[iron bough]

There is not Matchmaking 🤣

[fallow egret]

When will you guys improve the custom game mode in the finals, so we can pick our own teams and not have it work at random 😭😭😭

[charred folio]

Hi… love the game but can you PLEASE lower the EXP and Fan requirements to complete the Battle Pass and Sponsor track? It’s RIDICULOUS
Edit: Either that or make the Daily contracts worth 25k each!

[worldly scaffold]

Heavy winch will work too (that is what I have been using for this one), but I agree, they need to adjust it.

[broken turtle]

After spending 350 hours in the game, I'm leaving it. It's pure trash at the moment. The main reason - I'm so tired of all the nerfs, it's ridiculous. Balanced or not, Finals is simply not fun to play. If it's not fun to play, what's the point.

Since this is the channel for feedback, this is my feedback - learn to balance not only using nerfs, while removing the fun from the experience.

[surreal meadow]

-748, thanks embark. very good design just lost all of it 👍

[echo urchin]

Take defib from medium and give it to lights.

[signal basin]

I need an explanation for this. And fast, because it's not the first time it's happen. I'm so piss off of bug like this Embark !

[young turtle]

I've probably had 50 games since the weekly update and have done probably more than 5k damage from 3 meters. What is this? And even if it were a typo and it's 30 meters, it still should've been done a few games ago

[sharp geode]

Could dead go boom ever possibly return in a fixed state? I would tolerate it if on death a contestant just dropped a live bomb that gives you
A. Enough time to run away
B. Chuck it like you would a canister

[mild veldt]

It's just a super annoying contract that might take 10 matches or more, depending on who you're paired with and the enemy team.

Also, since shooting an enemy that is stealing but not killing them doesn't count, you kind of have to use something like a goo, zap, or witch to interrupt, instead of relying on the enemy backing out ( which SHOULD count as interruption). This makes zero sense.

[clever hawk]

Light
Cloak
˗ Decloak time: 0s → 0.5s
˗ No weapon fire when cloaked

• Reduce activation cost by 40%
• Less audible beyond 10m
• Better invis when still

93R

• RPM: 220 → 230
• Reduce hipfire bloom
• Mag: 21 → 24
• Add sight

V9S

• Min dropoff: 10m → 12m
• Max dropoff: 15m → 16m

M11
˗ DMG: 16 → 14

• Min dropoff: 10m → 12m
• Dropoff modifier: 62% → 70%

XP

• Tac reload: 2.25s → 2.05s
• Empty reload: 2.5s → 2.25s

Stun Gun
˗ Movement cap ends once 75 DMG dealt
˗ Movement increased to walk speed

• Disable Turret for 1s

Glitch Nade

• Destroys Defib hologram

Vanish Bomb

• Radius: 3m → 4m
  ˗ + Same changes as Cloak

Breach

• Priming delay: 2s → 1.25s
• Cooldown: 30s → 25s

Bore

• Cooldown: 45s → 35s

Smoke

• Cleanse detection effects

Track Dart

• Display enemy health

Thermal Vision

• Players have team colours

Medium
Turret

• Startup time: 5s → 3s
• Fully refund on pickup
• Increase recall recharge by 50%
• Replace the scan with a fixed cone of vision for consistent detection
  ˗ Add lock-on timer per class
  L: 0.75s
  M: 0.5s
  H: 0.25s

Demat
˗ Cooldown: 10s → 13s
˗ Duration: 30s → 20s

FCAR

• Smooth initial recoil
• Minor zoom increase

AKM

• Mag: 32 → 35

R.357

• Reduce hipfire bloom

1887
˗ Pellet DMG: 13 → 12

Defib
˗ Destructible holograms
˗ 10s cooldown upon being rezzed
˗ 5s cooldown for other Gadgets/Specs
˗ Remove iframes

Glitch Trap
˗ Attach: 0s → 0.5s

• Drains 50% HP of Defib hologram

APS

• Radius: 3m → 3.25m

Reshaper

• Show sequence on tablet

Heavy
Mesh

• Base cooldown: 4s → 3s
• Cooldown when damaged: 8s → 3.5s

Winch

• Range: 12m → 15.9m
• Allow winching of enemy statues
  ˗ Winched player proximity: 1m → 5m

Charge
˗ Max DMG: 130 → 120
˗ Ramp DMG from 70-120 over 1.25s
˗ Subsequent DMG: 50 → 30

Goo Gun

• Hold alt fire to create a trail that induces a slide at 1.25x speed (8m length + 20s duration)

KS-23

• Remove dispersion
• Empty reload: 2.2s → 1.4s
• Minor destruction AOE penetration

[jagged cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/this-peaks-this-reeks-memes-gif-14297312045594448732

[bitter iris]

i feel like nobody on this discord understands why triple M is so good and why defib is so good it's kind of disappointing honestly

[sharp estuary]

Hey hey but what about the dual blades?

[thick sorrel]

why not, much better than what the DEVS did...

[surreal meadow]

We want to play The Finals
I have a 5 stack ready
No Cash gamemode with 5 player teams
Friends log off and dont play The Finals

thank you embark for a "good" casual experience

[night rover]

Idk powershift is pretty fun and casual

[exotic basalt]

The game should have 120 FOV!

[red echo]

Are you fking slow?? You go 2/7 in an easy lobby and blame embark for it??? Lmfaooo

Just saw your other comment too from above mine , stop typing here you are wasting space and time from the devs , you just gonna complain about everything bro holy shit , no 5 v 5 cashout ?? Go play ps bro jesus

[tacit patrol]

I get why clothing might intersect with the gun or other things.. But the gun with the body? Kinda of lame

[idle glen]

I love everything in here except for that harsh m11 nerf. They should add all these 100%.

[sonic spoke]

Looks like they added 991 to your secure.

[clever hawk]

Do you want a bigger XP buff so you can kill a medium in one mag again 🥺

@sharp estuary tbh I’m not interested in touching the melee weapons. They’re implemented very poorly. Too basic to be of much use at a high level but still annoying for casuals. If I were to suggest changes they would be entire reworks.

@idle glen Beyond 12m the M11 would still be almost identical to its current state. Closer than that, Lights would require 1 more shot (both body & head - this is a 0.06 TTK increase), Medium: 2 body (0.12 TTK) or 1 head (0.06), Heavy: 3 body (0.18) or 2 head (0.12).

These are really minor changes that bring it closer to the TTK of its competitors.

[winter crane]

yall I got some decent cosmetic ideas
welding helmet
Butterflyknife with some uniqute animations (basic opening when you pull it out tricks when you inspect ect)
A karambit knife that when you pull out you twirl and inspect is a combo trick)
those are obv just for the dagger but

[tired fable]

cloak : no
M11 : meh
stungun : no
bore : yes
track dart : no

Turret : yes
FCAR : yes
AKM : no
R.357 : yes
defib : too hard
glitch trap : no
Reshaper : yes !

whinch : no
KS23 : yes
SA12 : no

Fragnade : dmg yes, indicator no
Flash : yes for buff no for nerf

[fading cobalt]

I wish we had access to things like player hitbox information. I'd like to see if Heavy has a noticeably larger head hitbox, or if three builds all slide the same distance.

[jagged cedar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1266737129182986342/1304185000010317895/speed.gif

[surreal meadow]

New friends finally want to play The Finals
5 stack in lobby
No Cash gamemode with 5 player teams
Friends log off because no 5 stack Cash gamemode

what a "good" casual experience

@red echo"the kills bro, DPS w only 2 players in a high TTK game... farm kills in plug & steal meta... whatdoyoumeannbrooo only a 10% wipe penalty?? yeah go for kills no cashouts". we agree to play plugs & steals bc no third player he dc at start, i steal he protected. - & dont add nothing new to retain casual players, the player count will surely increase (as it steadily decreases over every season, embark has to make a move (terrible visual recoil, bad player retention, no new gamemodes, micro buff/nerf, slow meta shifts, plug & steal meta, light still being a pubstomper yet unseen in high elo). dont be bold, thats how this game succeed in the first place by being boring and normal - wonder why people leave the game despite being very solid
also forgot to mention nexon greed
@sonic spoke fair j wanted to complain lol

[frozen ravine]

Is there any word on when will they add MnK support on consoles??

[brave copper]

the word is they won't

[velvet nexus]

I wish outgoing bullets had better tracing effects, like sparking when they hit enemies or something

[clever hawk]

Cloak and stun are really horrible for new players to face (especially combined), I think it’s urgent they’re addressed.

Other stuff like glitch trap/winch/Flashbang are also things that are frustrating, which I prioritise combating.

Details on the M11 can be found in the message above yours. TTK would be 0.06 - 0.18 higher, only up close.

[dreamy gull]

They do tho. They bullets leave marks on the enemy, when they hit the enemy.

[finite galleon]

would love to see winch get removed from the game tbh, as if we needed more CC

[plush shell]

add fsr3.1

[idle glen]

i still don't think it's necessary...if it's not light with the best weapon ttk, then who else?

[clear niche]

+add the possibility to pull up your ingame playercard here on discord using a command such as /playercard ‘player ID’ in #🏆┇rank-check or a #bots channel.

[surreal torrent]

NERF THE FUCKING SNIPER

[buoyant umbra]

yes

[sharp estuary]

Delete flamethrower

[muted plaza]

"The Models" >>> "The Finals"

[tired fable]

understandable opinion, but not sure this the best ways to do

about M11 i am a bit biased because I love this gun and i don't want a world where M11 isn't good, but I think it's other guns which need to be up to balance instead

[mighty cedar]

Remove SBMM from casual play.

[violet basin]

can I please, not get deranked or at least lose less points when one one my teamates disconnects in the first round in ranked? Maybe not when you are playing with your friends, because it could probably be exploited, but in solo it is really annoying to lose points like this

[late basin]

if you are literally the only player on your team, you should not be punished for team wipe on death...

[light fox]

(Insert Item Here) IS the reason you can't climb! If they nerfed (insert item here) you wouldn't have to play another 300 games stuck in gold. If they nerfed triple medium it will stop you from trolling yourself by solo queueing! Every other player is the problem not you! If nobody else played The Finals™ you would be #1!

[crystal umbra]

Early Access?

Maybe try inviting RDCWorld to play the finals?

They already played it and they loved it.

Give them a little nudge.

(They average 10k Viewers on twitch & have over a million subscribers on YouTube)

[nimble kiln]

why is this edited😡

[shy parcel]

the superman cgi mustache

[upper citrus]

missing the stache...

[clever hawk]

By “its competitors” I meant other Light weapons that are used in similar scenarios. The vast majority of its TTK matchups would remain unchanged, only the gap that currently favours the M11 would be reduced.

@tired fable see above. I think most of the weapons are fine roughly where they are, and buffing would be very dangerous given the apoplectic reaction to throwing knives last season.

[wintry sentinel]

just played a game on 30k elo, and matched with 45K+ is that normal?

[iron bough]

There is no matchmaking 😂

[tired fable]

Why in this game, when you are on a peacefull place, without the slighest sound and you turn your back u have A FAT HEAVY FLAMETHROWER in front of you like a fcking creeper from Minecraft 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

@clever hawk idk when i see lights in game ouytside quickcash/powershift they run double barrel/sword/M11 only I think they should improve something but I haven't solutions

[clear niche]

+add the possibility to either leave or dont lose points when 1 or more team members disconnect in a ranked game.

[dense marlin]

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller settings on console

[pale grotto]

"Cancel Matcmaking" and "Mark All As Seen" are both set to pressing the Right Stick in on controllers. Canceling a matchmaking search takes priority over marking all as seen, even when in character customisation. Marking should really have priority while in a character screen.

[static elbow]

hello there i´ve got big problem today my wifi dropped so i restarted the game i was 27,500 elo i joined back to the turnamend and we won but my elo droped by 2k what is this embark:

[cyan cairn]

It would be cool imo if we had a squad game mode similar to cash out/world tour 🙂‍↕️ or a new game mode for squads

[idle glen]

Thanks for the explanation:)

[surreal torrent]

NERF THE FUCKING SNIPER NOWWWWWW

[autumn oyster]

i think it was very prematurely... I am currently playing solo 34k platinum against 49k+48k+44k party of ruby players. Solo matchmaking is still the worst part of this game. I don't know why it was much better yesterday.
I am playing solo against top49 and top99 players of the World.

[rancid pine]

i just cant with this last grind, this shotgun meta bs is destroying the game holy moly

[undone spear]

Agreed

[deft glen]

im quitting the game... too many cheaters

[long arrow]

rename your npc "World Tour" by "Solo Vs World Tour " pls

[young smelt]

lfg plat4

[silent pine]

Day 1 of asking for keyboard and mouse mapping & support for a friend on console.

[warm mauve]

Season 4 of The Models has been interesting

[valid canyon]

can we please nerf the famas i don't even have a chance to react before im at 30hp or dead it makes the game so unfun and please bring the model from 9 pellets to 8 that would make it literally perfect

[light fox]

(Insert Item Here) IS the reason you can't climb! If they nerfed (insert item here) you wouldn't have to play another 300 games stuck in gold. If they nerfed triple medium it will stop you from trolling yourself by solo queueing! Every other player is the problem not you! If nobody else played The Finals™ you would be #1!

[surreal meadow]

(Insert Item Here) IS the reason you can't climb! If they nerfed (insert item here) you wouldn't have to play another 300 games stuck in gold. If they nerfed triple medium it will stop you from trolling yourself by solo queueing! Every other player is the problem not you! If nobody else played The Finals™ you would be #1!

[pseudo breach]

How the fuck is the healing beam not working still not fixed? It's been 4 fucking seasons

[humble folio]

Works fine for me

[vital gazelle]

it works just fine....

[waxen citrus]

Please add HUD centering for Ultrawides

[rough herald]

those teammate must be on their phone burh
nvm spook too soon, they ain't even there

[silent fog]

nerf charge n slam ffs.
Almost a full fucking year and this braindead broken ability is still untouched. Only got a inderect buff once.
Who tf at your company is holding the balance team at gunpoint to not nerf this unskilled trash

[sonic arrow]

Nerf sledge, 2 hits shouldnt kill a medium

[thin pagoda]

PLEASE add another rank up for world tour or make it harder to rank up I like allot of people reached emerald in under a week or maybe 2 even if only like 1000+ people get it, it gives an incentive to keep playing world tour something like tourmaline or Sapphire a super out there colour or even just more cosmetics

[dreamy ore]

DOUBLE SWORD ARE SHIT!!!!!!!!!! YOU NEED TO REWORK THIS WEAPON.
SOME IDEAS:
-RUN AND BLOCK
-MORE ANGLE FOR BLOCKING
-CANCELABLE SWING WHEN YOU USE BLOCKING,
-FASTER ATTACK OR LESS SPACE BETWEEN EACH SWING.
WHATEVER YOU DO WILL BE HELPFUL BUT THIS IS PROBABLY THE WORST WEAPON INGAME AT LEAST FOR MEDIUM

[surreal torrent]

My game KEEPS FUCKING CRASHING I CANT RUN ANY GAME PERFECTLY FINE EVEN COD AND GENSHIN IMPACT BUT THIS ONE GAME ALWAYS FUCKING CRASHES IM SO DONE WITH THIS SHIT FIX IT

[thorn kelp]

Changes that need to be made to the mid-game events

• Orbital Lasers (Arguably the least effective event the game has to offer in my opinion. Yes it allows for people to not stand still for too long to prevent camping, but it doesn't do its job effectively. I believe having the lasers stay locked in to you, forcing you to take damage [unless you're inside a building] is a must needed change)

• Alien Invasion (Perfect job on the Alien Invasion update during the Holtow Insurance week in World Tour. Hopefully this change gets put in live servers in Season 5)

• Retro Invasion 82 (Second to worst event in my opinion. The aliens barely ever shoot the ground and they pass by way too quick. I believe it's clear that they need to be a little more active in terms of open fire, but I also wish that either more rows of Aliens were added or they moved across the arena slower)

• Mega Damage (I've seen countless of suggestions for this, but for me, the go-to option would be to simply increase the damage of weapons towards structures in the arena. It would be nice to rip through a wall with a single mag of an AKM for example)

• Meteor Showers (Attaching an achievement tied to the only mid-game event that lasts significantly shorter than the others is kind of silly in my opinion. I would personally increase the duration and update for Meteor Showers to occur on both cashout stations in World Tour)

You can put in suggestions of your own, but you can't disagree completely that the events in this game don't need to be spiced up. A reminder that they last for a small period of time and Ranked allows for there to be no mid-game events at all

[cloud shadow]

A visual indicator when a user is muted in VC if possible

[formal sphinx]

Distance is a good counter.

[waxen citrus]

Please add HUD centering for Ultrawides

[iron bough]

There is no matchmaking 😂

[long arrow]

🤣

[gleaming valley]

day 1 of asking for a “Moon base” map that features low gravity the whole time with increased alien invasion chances.

[warm robin]

sad world we live in

[frank jungle]

Idea for metor shower: the sky slowly turns dark and you can see Saturn or another planet in the background, and the meteors rain for longer and harder

[dreamy gull]

May I get gifted the emerald FCAR please. I work too much and can’t grind like the unemployed

[frank holly]

Me too brother... I live in OCE where there are literally NO world tour games at all. Couldn't get the skins even if i wanted to.

[upper citrus]

The m11 isn’t even top 3 light weapons. The only issue with light is that the skill floor and ceiling of the specs is too low. They’re dominant in causal lobbies and terrible in high elo

[tulip steppe]

Charge n slam is even more annoying than stun gun it should actually get deleted🚮

[unborn jetty]

Model

[cold bolt]

Deagles still have absurd bloom also mesh is unusable with the cooldown

[hoary vessel]

your projectiles and grenades get just poofed out of existence when you die please fix

[smoky sluice]

good one xD

[coarse dew]

we need some good dagger skins

[teal minnow]

nope

[versed cloud]

Anti cheat on this game is garbage. Not only that, nobody ever gets banned. F.

[crisp bolt]

the hell with this game nothing but lights every game using gimmick bs like what is even the point of having a class that doesnt play with its team jusr completely contradicts the games purpose not only that 80% of ur lights are just bad yet u nerf everything cause they cry ur game is finished garunteed until u wake the fuck up embark

[jagged cedar]

aim assist is too effective on burst auto weapons like famas

[clear crystal]

The battlepass grind is way too long especially on the last two pages

[median hamlet]

I played a regular amount of play time while working and still finished the battle pass I think people just want it to be super easy and quick but I think it’s nice that you have to really try to get everything so you get that satisfaction of the struggle

[cold bolt]

every heavy would run deags if it weren't for the bloom, and the bloom is fairly rng even with pacing

there's a reason why there's only like a handful of ppl using it in ruby, it's unreliable af

[warped tapir]

I just reached lvl 97 on the BP and 100K XP for the next lvl??????? REALLY???

[craggy plank]

Just had 3 Interrupt opponents who are stealing your teams Cashout not track and I want to uninstall

[iron bough]

[surreal meadow]

#👂┇game-feedback message
New friends finally want to play The Finals
5 stack in lobby
No Cash gamemode with 5 player teams
Friends log off because no 5 stack Cash gamemode

this game struggles from having a good casual experience (meta is trivial, player count isnt)

[dense tinsel]

It's hard to understand how they can penalize you with a 10-minute suspension for leaving World Tour when your team starts with only one player. I mean, do I have to play completely alone because the matchmaking is terrible, waiting for the other three teams to kill us over and over until the round ends, just to avoid leaving and getting penalized?
Why don’t they check if a team starts without teammates from the beginning so that the person doesn’t get penalized since THERE ARE NO TEAMMATES BEING AFFECTED?

Also, I want to add that the heavy's spear has constant bugs when trying to use the right-click attack. The character doesn't attack, and worse, they freeze, walking slowly without the ability to attack with the left click or run.
We’re completely exposed to getting shot because we can’t run or attack until those seconds of freezing and slow walking are over.

[slate mauve]

Sponorships should be the new ranked. You get ranked rewards if your sponsor wins by the end of the season.

[silent fog]

holy shit you are such a genius! Why didn't I think of that!?
🤦‍♂️

[hexed grove]

Maybe don’t try to 5 stack then, it’s not a 5 stack game. 💀

Split it into 2 groups, one being a full squad and the other having a random.

[royal shuttle]

does Finals have all chat?

[slow goblet]

Riot shield is where it’s at

[coarse jetty]

dude idk how but every single time i play the finals in the past few weeks it just feels worse and worse to play. worse balancing, worse players (in terms of tryhard), worse hitreg and connection issues, worse challenges, worse everything

[surreal meadow]

Doesnt have signature gamemode (Cashout > World Tour, Ranked, & Quick Cash - all 3 stack) in a simpler variant - "why dont casual players like The Finals?!?"

They added 5 stack gamemodes (Powershift, Terminal Attack), so why not on the INTENDED gamemode (Cash)? Then tehy stick to the Powershift & dont like the intended gamemode of cashout CRAZY WOW. Perfect chance to segway people into playing cashout again. We LIKE the 3v3v3v3 format, the people who left the game DONT LIKE it - why are we still trying to make strides to appeal to the wrong group? its NOT working. Embark is just missing out on free players

TLDR< Embark cant be picky about the finals playerbase, losing players every season. they need to make a move to retain players (experienced players are staying, casuals are not staying)

[half pawn]

idk if this is a bug or what, but the dual swords block the flamethrower, idk if it actually blocks any damage, but it still makes the klinky noise

[silver laurel]

Anyone know how to fix this stuttering issue... Only thing I can do is play in windowed mode.. if not it's completely unplayable... I have a 4k PC with 5 ping... -_-

[wide whale]

ALLOW PEOPLE TO BUY ANY SEASON AND WORK ON WHICH EVER BATTLE PASS THEY WANT. YOU WANT LONGEVITY IN YOUR GAME, THIS IS HOW. GIVE US THE OPTIONS