👂┇game-feedback

[frank holly]

fcar definitely needs a buff

[median pawn]

Just my daily feedback suggestion to add a leave punish mechanic.

Also it should force people to spawn after certain amount of time - This will help prevent teammates that refuse to play.
Either that or a kick timer, if they're just sitting there typing instead of spawning.

[hushed nebula]

Add Avoid as Teammate Option. Please. You will have happy customers/players if this gets implemented. Ask anyone. It will function as a blocklist but for people that can't be matched onto your team. They can still be on opposing teams but just not yours.

[turbid mortar]

OPTIMIZE THE GAME. It normally runs great, but I've been having shit frames all day. I also frequently have latency, but I think that's just my wifi.

[unreal fossil]

IMHO Embark devs have done a great job building this game, the follow-up throughout each season may have been lackluster (sometimes just in terms of communication -something they're not particularly good at I reckon), but the studio is very fucking far from deserving the hate some people keep spitting. Like, seriously.

[faint saddle]

Its not inconsistent, its too long

[boreal wagon]

day 9999999999999999999 of begging for model nerf. gut the gun. I dont care that it sucks ass in room temp iq casual lobbies. the game is literally unplayable in high elo vs triple stack models.. if you face check them within 25m you instantly die..

[dusty igloo]

Each one was running the model, perhaps medium is an issue currently

[manic mesa]

guys what if when you throw the chasbox at people it did damage

[austere dew]

can we please nerf medium this is making me want to quit the game. Its so much fun until you run into medium stacks :/

[fading flame]

The whole reason model is getting slammed rn is because it does too much damage. Here’s a simple way to more balance medium. Lower damage, higher support ability.

[fleet yacht]

...how can you say that when we get weekly updates????

[boreal rivet]

Something cool to add, new melee animations. Similar to Titanfall 2's melee mechanics

Grounded melee: normal elbow
Aerial melee: kick or a superman punch.
Falling Aerial melee: The Knee
Sliding melee: a sliding kick or an uppercut.

The current melees feel a little clunky and odd, especially when you think about elbowing downwards. Adding more flare to the meleeing would make the Finals feel a bit more like people trying to put on a cool show and a rush of dopamine when you sock someone in the head just right.

[tidal storm]

Ok I only have 2 things I want currently.

1. Cloak should be buffed a hair by making it quieter on just walking. Im tired of being the loudest guy around because I want to be stealth with a tiny amount of HP.

2. Make hoods seperate from outfits. I would love to put hoods on and off different clothing options. Like my metro drifter hood on another upper body. It would be amazing for customization.

[mystic kestrel]

I don't know if its just Xbox but I can't change contestants when in the pre game lobby when choosing weapons and etc

[unique ravine]

please stop giving me low gravity in all my games. 👍

[vernal path]

thats an known issue

[pure shore]

The current ranked system is way to punishing

[radiant moat]

the stats say that model is in a good place!!! no need to nerf! it's fun!

[winter verge]

Holtow Logo seems stretched or I might be stupid

[quick coyote]

I'm hoping there's gonna be some double xp weekends or some other way for us to get xp before the season ends, as I just don't see how the pass is finish able with the time left, one more set of challenges, and only about 1.5k xp per game, yet we need 100k per item for the last 2 pages. Feels kinda bad that outside of dailies, you're stuck playing about 65 or so games per item

[lilac coral]

To updates and nerfs to guns

[turbid mortar]

on further examination this is literally just monaco. Not sure what kind of fuckery is happening there but please fix it

[placid obsidian]

Day 8 of asking for crossplay only native kbm support for console users.

[faint saddle]

I think dagger needs a buff and here is why

I am a dagger onetrick since Season 1.

I reached Diamond in Season 2.

Emerald in the World Tour of Season 3.

I have dagger level 8 since the start of Season 4.

I am currently not getting to Diamond, and the reason is the Model. You can call it a skill issue and stop reading here (I’m not necessarily saying the Model needs a buff—I do kinda think it’s decently hard to use), but if not, here’s the reason:

I, as a light with 150 HP, need to slow down to walking speed to charge my dagger, which takes 0.8 seconds, to then get behind a medium that has a model he can run around with freely—slide, shot, jump, slide—whatever. And I need to get behind that guy? He is almost as fast, if not faster, than me when I am charging my dagger, has the same or faster TTK, and a one-shot combo available against me with full-shot QM. He can end me faster than I can charge my dagger.

Sure, one can say “position better,” but with the amount of variables, that’s a bullshit take.

Today, I was fighting a Ruby stack, and all of them were playing Model. I got a lucky pick on an unaware enemy and then got a follow-up kill because he went for a defib. The third guy demoted on my head and one-shot me with a quick melee.

Dagger already takes a lot of effort to be good in high rank, but with the MMM (Model Medium Meta), I cannot compete. This wasn’t as bad in previous seasons because there were many assault rifle players, and I had a good chance to get a kill on them. But with the amount of Model Mediums now, there is no competition.

My Wish for Dagger Buffs

My wish is pretty much one of a couple buffs I’d like for dagger:
1. Remove the charge penalty so I can at least catch up.
2. Make the slowdown take place AFTER the dagger is charged.
3. Reduce the windup back to 0.6 seconds.

Since the Season 4 update, dagger TTK went up by 0.2 seconds, which is a 33% worse TTK—from 0.6 seconds to 0.8 seconds. Sure, it’s more consistent now, but it’s not good enough to be viable in high elo.

I’m constantly playing against Ruby stacks and Diamonds all day as I’m hovering in the 35k MMR area. It feels like dagger just can’t compete in this meta without some adjustments.

[fading cliff]

No thanks. FCAR is already really good

[west shale]

Make it harder to be able to do ranked matches, I always have teammates that get under 1000 score on everything

[twilit sand]

why the fuck is our lobby an "Easy" lobby when we are 4th seed and against rubies? barely getting any points for beating ruby teams

[unreal fossil]

Because when a studio makes weekly updates, it's still not enough, people want daily updates. And maybe even hourly updates. Meanwhile, AAA paid games take 6-24 months to be in a playable state.

[eternal kayak]

Is it just me or is the hit box a wonky on the backstab for the dagger? Possibly a bug

[burnt notch]

Cuz some people are entitled lil shits who will immediately start crying via walls of text just cuz the game they play doesn’t do/have everything they want

[scarlet vault]

Yo yall are nerds

[fleet yacht]

Are you serious lmao
Daily?? Hourly???
Are you ok?
Do you need me to call for help?
I thought id never need to use this phrase
Boy has wisdom been chasing you your whole life, but you have always been faster

[solemn sedge]

add more progression skins. maybe even amethyst skin for max level?

[jade estuary]

it is, its literally has unlimited duration and recharges insanely fast, a team with 2 heavy's has 4 of the, and when you are stuck fighting you don't have time to shoot them especially if its in a wooded area( which most of the maps have) they can be hidden in bushes with their small hit boxes its insanely hard to hit in a fight. sure you can see the line that leads to them but again you don't have time to stop and shoot the small hit box while moving around and fighting so its literally just unlimited wall hacks in as big of an area as they can set up before a team meets them to contest. even just 1 heavy can achieve the same thing in a smaller area. they are equally as op in buildings. they shouldnt be infinite duration

[tulip steppe]

Or it should just be like a level 10 skin for every weapon.

[frank holly]

really good at leaving everyone with 1hp

[echo radish]

Whole Rank match making system is so sucks because

0. So many booster and cheater. I say boosters are worse because they literally makes me stop playing rank and making me temptation to act same as them bevause they are NOT FUCKING PUNISHED AT ALL ALMOST WHOLE SEASON 4 but I guess that's kinda general problem of fps games so this is labeled as 0.
   So..
1. There are non-sence level match making happens like ruby is fighting with silver or 3 stacks everytime
2. System automatically makes good team and bad team because high seed and low seed, which makes low seed already a penalty
3. Seed system doesn't give enough reward, being a 8th seed in silver and beating a whole match against plat/dia/ruby will give max 2000, which is so absurd
4. Also, being a high seed makes you never make a mistake, and also makes you -1500 drop if you or your teammate made mistake which horriblely unforgiving.
5. With all of these issue, we have lack of enough rank player which makes problem worse.
6. AND ALL OF THESE PROBLEMS BECOME WORSE WITH SOLO QUEUE WHICH MAKES THIS GAME SO FUCKING NO FAMOUS YOU SHOULD HAVE FUN WITH SOLO TO GAIN MORE PEOPLE WHO TJE FUCK WANTS TO PLAY GAME WHEN ONLY FRIEND EXISTS

I suggest

1. No stack in higher rank. you should play as solo up to gold, which is fair with almost every other games. League makes you solo, Val also doing that, Overwarch makes you less and less team queue for rank, and FUCKING DEADLOCK NAILS IT WITH ONLY SOLO QUEUE RANK. Being as stack is so powerful and we don't have any protection for solo queue and party queue.

2. Give more bonus when you are in low seed. Giving/Losing RS only by seed is stupid idea when you dev people want RUBY 3 STACK FIGHTING WITH GOLD AND SILVER TEAM. Make they has less penalty when fucking unbelievable shitty matchmaking happens.

3. Please god damn please declare seed after everyone loads. Being 1st seed and seeing one of my teammate NOT LOADED feels so trash and makes me abandon this fucking game.

[austere dew]

another ranked game another MMH MMH MMH MMH. this meta has got to get adjusted

[late raft]

possibly unpopular opinion but imo fashion week is insanely fucking stupid

[unreal fossil]

You wouldn't recognize irony if it smacked you in the face, would you ?

@jade estuary Yeah, they are difficult to spot, shoot down, and are often forgotten in the heat of fights. That's pretty much why they can be very useful. Limited duration feels like giving them the APS treatment: some players are too dumb to counter X gadget, so we're just gonna make it suck.

It would probably be better to make them slightly larger, and maybe limit ammo count to 1 + slightly shorter CD (it's already quite short right now). But seeing that it was almost never used before and doesn't see that much use these days, I don't even see the point. Heavy is already in a not-so-good spot in S4. We don't need to gut the class further. If anything, it needs buffs.

[edgy urchin]

the games "balancing" is a joke, not enjoyable to play at all

lights are literally cockroaches not fun at all

[deep sierra]

Yes buff fcar no resin it does so little damage

[jade estuary]

you don't have to ping people when you respond it all ready does that when you reply. aps needed a nerf it was way too strong and also, only being able to block certain number of grenades is a good balanced in contrast to its infinite duration. Cutting count to one on proxy sensor with a slightly larger hit box would would be a fine nerf the problem is how many you have with infinite duration, or quite literally the aps treatment would also be fine, infinite duration with limited uses is a perfectly fine way to balance it as well cool down would need to be longer not shorter even if it were to be reduced to one. idk where you're getting heavy is in a bad spot. heavy is in a fine spot, guns are fine except maybe the slug shoty and spear they feel a bit weak, shields are good except dome it was gutted. the rest of the abilities are good. you seem like your coping cause your favorite sahit thats op is neing erfed/ being requested to be nerfed

[hollow iron]

I think a good idea to stop cashout camping would be to hide the cashout markers for teams that aren't currently holding (or haven't recently held) a cube, not sure why but it's been happening to me quite a lot more recently

[nova solar]

Skill issue ✊😔

[unreal fossil]

Never said it was in a bad spot, I said it was in a not-so-good spot, because its defensive abilities (what it should excel at) have been nerfed time and time again. I'm thinking about Dome and Mesh Shield specifically. We wouldn't be in this 3M stack meta otherwise. The APS did not really need a nerf IMO, it's a stationary, narrow radius gadget in a game where fights are very dynamic. I never struggled against it before. It mostly caused problems in PS due to the nature of the game mode.

I'm not coping. Yes I've been using MS since the beginning of S4 in my Heavy builds, and found them to be good/interesting tools for the team. I understand where you're coming from but I think what you suggest would just throw them deeper into the 'never used' bag of gadgets.

[quick coyote]

Increase hip fire aim assist in controller against lights

[split heron]

i wanted to type this in general chat but there's like 700 people typing at once , but say at the end of this season i only get to emerald 2 do i get everything up until that point or do i have to get to emerald 1 to get anything in general if that makes sense

[echo shadow]

Stupidest thing I’ve ever read 😭 you try building a game and lmk how those hourly updates go

[keen bronze]

I think what would be really cool is if we got a 5 v 5, or a 3v3v3 game mode where it was just... the first team to 50, or 100 kills. Each kill counts towards a money goal, kinda like bank it. But better. I think what spawned this gamemode in my head was PVZ GW's team vanquish gamemode. If you make the goal for kills lower than you should allow revives to set the enemy team back by a bunch, and if you do a higher number like 100, (or if your a freak, 150) then revives should just bring your teammates back.
Respawn times should be like power shifts, and teamwipes should last not long.
cool thats my 2 cents :3

[vocal wraith]

models are not a problem imo
defibs are too strong! i think there should be a longer cooldown or make it so when you get revived your own defibs have a cooldown too :3

that is just my opinion, plz debate if this idea sucks

[unreal fossil]

Apparently I should have said updates every 10 seconds for you guys to understand the irony.

I literally made a comparison with how effing long some 3A studios take to update their games in the following sentence.

[hexed grove]

Please nerf charge n' slam. It should act more as a utility for breaking through obstacles, not as a weapon. Similar to how the RPG was shifted from damage to primarily structure breaking.

Currently it is just used as a get out of jail free card to get a kill when out of ammo or the enemy is low but hiding behind cover. It takes 0 skill to press "q" and simply kill your opponent because of the outrageous damage output. Lower the damage, increase the cooldown.

[lost talon]

shitters keep dying to charge and slam, can't move out of the way of a 350lb dude walking at snail's pace where the walk activates after a full 1 second loud announcement. If you're a decent light you will NEVER die to a charge and slam. You're the shitter who panics when the heavy is always in the mud movement wise and gets to be half of your speed for 5 seconds. Keep using shotguns. MOOOOM FAT PEOPLE IN COD DON'T SUDDENLY COME RUNNING AT ME THIS IS UNFAIIIIIR I HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO MAINTAIN THE DISTANCE MOOOOM CAUSE I'M RUNNING MODEL MOOOM I NEED TO RUN MODEL CAUSE I'M A TWITCH STREAMER MOOOM YOU DON'T GET IT

[red arch]

found the heavy who uses charge and slam as a panic button when losing a fight

[stoic jewel]

+1 to this

[coarse jetty]

charge & slam is stupid overused and overpowered for how much it asks from its users

[coral glen]

Please nerf the Model 1887 to 112 damage with full pellets, so it will be 56 with half, 28 with a quarter, and 14 with an eighth. This adjustment would reduce its power without making it ineffective. It is clear that this weapon is omnipresent in the meta. These values seem reasonable to me.

[smoky sluice]

remove kyoto

[normal spade]

If you're playing world tour you're losing fans is what I'm noticing

[surreal meadow]

you might call me crazy, but hear me out

nerf the op stuff
buff the poopoo stuff

[sick talon]

I'm trying to get the lesson learner trophy and I can't find the tutorial can someone help me?

[woeful hill]

tbh, game is good. I would love to see a P90 added to the game for the light class.
the sword is so elegant and fined tuned to have a swordsman vibe.

[polar grotto]

Melee Buffs

• Sword, primary swing 1 more damage (can kill lights in 2 swings)
• Riot shield, shield should be better at blocking
• Dual blades, more dmg, faster attacks, better deflect
• Spear, more range, secondary attack should be cancellable when not holding down secondary should damage 360

[clever hawk]

Hit Practice

[dark niche]

you can cancel spear alt fire by opening the emote wheel
also good takes other than sword, i think swing speed would be a better change

[smoky sluice]

i’ve only played world tour and that’s definitely not the case 😂

[quick coyote]

e

[dusk blaze]

buff model

[surreal meadow]

jail time

[quick coyote]

Nerf defib

[fierce valve]

Day 11 of asking for Solo Bank It back to PRivate Matches\

[cold bolt]

remove plug meta and add back 30% team wipe penalty, fix spawns, the flow of matches is the worst it's ever been bc of these things

[minor notch]

pluh meta

[upper citrus]

how reddit thinks games are balanced:

[gusty pine]

The achievements in this game make me want to rip my fucking eyes out, why and how tf am I supposed to kill someone with a flower pot?

[stone hazel]

i think you have to put a mine on it and throw it at someone whos already low
also i think it has to be a specific flower pot (the smallest one iirc)

[real prawn]

fix the spawns

[smoky sluice]

remove kyoto

[jagged vector]

Syshorizon and Kyoto gotta go form the rotation pls pls

[delicate marlin]

Light has 3 breaching charges while heavy has one c4. Why does light have better destruction when that's supposed to be heavy's thing

[onyx crystal]

cus the 1 c4 does more damage and blows more things up, and back in the day c4s were the most broken thing in the game so they got nerfed HARD
(and light has far worse destruction btw)

[errant hornet]

This and i think dagger should work like throwing knives where if you tap alt fire it still goes through. So you don't have to hold it

[hollow ore]

How does seeding work I’ve been seed 1 for 8 games in a row

[ember dirge]

EMBARK, please bring more people to the game and keep them here, you could:

SPONSOR SKIN REWARD EVERY SEASON: SIMILAR skins per sponsor that you get at the very end for playing this season and becoming "FAMOUS"

PLUS add skins per gun for double kills and such more like cod to keep people in

ALSO GREAT IDEA, give weapon skins and such for playing a certain game mode like powershift or quick cash alot that would be sick

Please embark, great game keep it up

[clever hawk]

Pick up a flower pot and hit enemy and kill enemy

[lusty mason]

Emark. Thoughts on just increasing the spread of model so it functions as every other shotgun in the game that works only at close range and not retain its high damage beyond typical shotgun effective range? Look at every other shotgun in the game:
SH1900: 2 shots and can only work when point blank
M26 Matter: 8 shots and work at close range, further than the SH1900 but still relatively close
SA1216: close range gun that is effective in similar ranges as the M26 matter
Model 1887: 6 shots that are highly effective at short and medium range. Just because it has a "weird" reload doesn't justify its effectiveness at medium range compared to all other shotguns in the game. Increase the spread at range please, because in the current state of medium meta, model is just objectively the only gun that has no major downsides apart from shooting from long range. But then you've decided to have many buildings in this game so long range is extremely situational.

tldr: increase model spread to match other shotgun's effective range in the game and to balance this gun that has been one of the most effective weapon since season 1.

[thick sorrel]

We hear you!

The Finals Models Patch Notes 4.5.0 4.6.0 4.7.0 4.8.0

We couldn't balance 3 Classes and their Weapons. So we went this Season for MMM - Medium Model Meta.

~~Pike

• Decreased fire rate from 200 RPM to 199 RPM
  Dev Note: We suspect it may still be too effective, so we'll adjust in Season 5 maybe.~~

Model 1887

• Sniper Scope added
• ACOG (4x) added
  Dev Note: We nudge the effective range, so... deal with it.
  **Real Fix: 2-Shots Lights and 3-Shots Heavys, but not above 10m! - e.g. 117 Dmg+more Spread **

Akimbo Deagles

• Reworked: Shoots now explosive Rounds
  Dev Note: The midrange accuracy was way less oppressive than intended, so we added AoE to improve it.

Dual Blades

• Decreased blades from 2 to 1
  Dev Note: There's only one Blade. There's only ever gonna be one Blade.

MGL32

• Reworked: Grenades need to bounces 3 times before detonation
  Dev Note: It's so bad, I can't even make fun of it. Anyone?

Defibrillator

• Increase Charge from 1 to Two and a Half😩
  Dev Note: Defibrillated Medium's can instantly use their own Defibrillator. Obviously it's not Alan enough.

~~Healbeam

• Dogwalking plays the Theme from Ghostbusters
  Dev Note: What is Dead May Never Die~~

Charge & Slam

• Renamed to Flash & Hulk
  Dev Note: We thought it fits the lightning-fast sprint activation and the damage level of Hulk - usually used after RPG for a free kill.

Spear

• Spinning it plays the Sound Helicopter Helicopter
  Dev Note: This makes your enemies laugh even more.

[jagged vector]

Why am I playing syshorizon 3 times in a row

[surreal meadow]

99 someone and then hit them w the pot
also works well on powershift with everyone being in 1 area

[mild veldt]

Can we please have more challenges to grind Exp for the battle pass or just a little bit more time to complete it?

Would be a great oportunity to let's use our very useless VR to buy random challenges too!

The bonus pages sure as hell requires a ton of Exp...

[ionic spear]

PLEASE EMBARK!!
BUFF THE RIOT SHIELD
AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!

[olive fulcrum]

S4 Battle pass takes too long to 100% complete.

[austere dew]

idk how many more games I can take of all medium, this is wild lol

[round obsidian]

buff the fan gains FFS, its less than a month till the season ends, not everyone can play this shit all day everyday

[untold haven]

honestly at this point it's just inexcusable to not address the model, there is no one not using it that thinks it's okay to fight against i mean surely you have the data

[raw blaze]

Give me a gun made out of legos, and my money is yours ☠️

[glacial sierra]

once you're done make sure you get rid of EAC too:

delete C:\Program Files (x86)\EasyAntiCheat_EOS

then run command prompt as administrator and execute following command:

sc delete EasyAntiCheat_eos

[split heron]

give heavy's a barret 50 cal next season , and yall should add fists , throwing hands for cash 😌

[cold bolt]

deags literally don't shoot where you aim, pls make it viable (and also once you do that you probably need to reduce the dmg otherwise it'll basically be pike 2.0)

[finite mirage]

can someone fix the around the corner deaths like wtf

[onyx crystal]

thats just lag dude

[mild veldt]

Yep, bonus pages requiring 100.000 exp it's brutal. But the rest is pretty normal, although we have much less time now than before beetween seasons.

[kindred current]

It's good but please let us have 2 weapons in the season 5 update, I am sick of dying reloading 😭

[modern tulip]

fix asian server\

[half briar]

I know you guys can't do SBMM in QuickPlay because "reasons", but how about at the very least you just balance the teams based on their stats/skill?

[finite mirage]

i have wired 2gb down fiber with perfect latency/ping high upload speed etc on a top tier rig

[onyx crystal]

i meant ping, if you live far away that just happens

[remote lantern]

THIS GAME SUCKS OMFGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!

[quick coyote]

honestly yea it does where tf is the grenade indicator

[livid raft]

why this game have so many stuttering issues

[brittle obsidian]

press right click

[shy fossil]

reduce xp last 10 levels in the battle pass

[uneven dagger]

The crybaby corner, the rant ranch, the sob station

[stable path]

the boohoo block

[lost talon]

sapphire for top 100 or top 70

[gaunt perch]

I want to play a competitive mode in OCE but queue times are infinite. My ideas:

• Remove quick cash specifically from OCE servers to force people to queue into ranked or world tour.
• Create a new single-round ranked mode with the same rules as tournament (3v3v3v3 with 2 vaults).

Edit: Additional feedback:

guns boring
make non-guns better
shield not boring but is bad
bullets go through shield
i main shield but do better with any gun
this mean shield is not good
game stale if shield no good
game stale if gun always good
gun is always good
that mean game stale
more people play goofy explodey game if less like sweaty counter-strike
many other game exist if want to shooty shooty

[dark niche]

Xbox - Ps5 Crossplay Only Matchmaking.

[polar blaze]

Can we buff sword to do 400 damage and then give it infinite range?

[cyan gale]

No, I play with my brother on a PC-Xbox croosplay.

[half briar]

I just figured out a new strat to have way way way more fun in Quick Play. If the enemies are more than 50% lights, just quit before the match even starts. Takes like less than 1 minute to get into a new game, and just happy times.

[faint saddle]

I think dagger needs a buff and here is why

I am a dagger onetrick since Season 1.

I reached Diamond in Season 2.

Emerald in the World Tour of Season 3.

I have dagger level 8 since the start of Season 4.

I am currently not getting to Diamond, and the reason is the Model. You can call it a skill issue and stop reading here (I’m not necessarily saying the Model needs a buff—I do kinda think it’s decently hard to use), but if not, here’s the reason:

I, as a light with 150 HP, need to slow down to walking speed to charge my dagger, which takes 0.8 seconds, to then get behind a medium that has a model he can run around with freely—slide, shot, jump, slide—whatever. And I need to get behind that guy? He is almost as fast, if not faster, than me when I am charging my dagger, has the same or faster TTK, and a one-shot combo available against me with full-shot QM. He can end me faster than I can charge my dagger.

Sure, one can say “position better,” but with the amount of variables, that’s a bullshit take.

Today, I was fighting a Ruby stack, and all of them were playing Model. I got a lucky pick on an unaware enemy and then got a follow-up kill because he went for a defib. The third guy demoted on my head and one-shot me with a quick melee.

Dagger already takes a lot of effort to be good in high rank, but with the MMM (Model Medium Meta), I cannot compete. This wasn’t as bad in previous seasons because there were many assault rifle players, and I had a good chance to get a kill on them. But with the amount of Model Mediums now, there is no competition.

My Wish for Dagger Buffs

My wish is pretty much one of a couple buffs I’d like for dagger:
1. Remove the charge penalty so I can at least catch up.
2. Make the slowdown take place AFTER the dagger is charged.
3. Reduce the windup back to 0.6 seconds.

Since the Season 4 update, dagger TTK went up by 0.2 seconds, which is a 33% worse TTK—from 0.6 seconds to 0.8 seconds. Sure, it’s more consistent now, but it’s not good enough to be viable in high elo.

I’m constantly playing against Ruby stacks and Diamonds all day as I’m hovering in the 35k MMR area. It feels like dagger just can’t compete in this meta without some adjustments.

[random rain]

Has anyone had significant frame rate reduction with the latest update? I'm running a 3090 and getting like 40 fps...

[dim steeple]

Can we use our emotes in the lobby? And can we pls spin our teamates in the lobby like we can with us?

[potent kettle]

THE FINALS: CLANS
Integrate a clan system that utilizes prebuilt words to be combined; alongside an icon library to make the clan emblem. Scott and Judy would know all of the words so live casting the teams would still be viable.

[neon burrow]

diamond in season 2 was free

[wise flame]

a kick ability for the heavy that can send the enemy through buildings

[round goblet]

Dagger
• Reduce windup time from 800 ms to 700 ms (s1-s3 dagger backstab)
• Toggle option to commit the charge like the TK right click or this current version.
• Enable running while charging the stab, slowdown begins while holding a full charge backstab

Sword
• Rework Animation to end faster to sync with attack frames (unlike the clunky one we have rn)

[primal mantle]

Add a headshot counter on the death card

[normal spade]

Out of curiosity how fans do you usually average?

[polar blaze]

Buff sword to do 400 damage per swing

[signal basin]

Read my name.

• Nerf model damage. STILL OP AFTER YOUR "NERF"
• Add an indicator for the frag grenade !
• Nerf a bit damage Deagle at mid/long range
• Reverse XP nerf. Same dmg than a M11 but slower RPM and less bullets. Just useless now. STILL USELESS AFTER YOUR "BUFF"
• Rework mesh shield
• Nerf Charge'N'Slam. Too much damage.
• Give back the rpm on the V9S but let the damage.
• Buff grapple. Reduce cooldown by 1 sec or add charge.
• If Hook do damage, Stun gun should do. Put damage for both of them or no damage for both of them.
• Nerf the right clic + Dash on Light. You couldn't dash with your sword or dagger charge. Too strong.
• Nerf defib. To strong. It's litteraly the M meta.
• Mates being revive with defib shouldn't tank bullets. Or should take damage !
• Patch the level up bug on weapons at the end of matches. It's been here since many months now !
• Kill, Assist, Revive and Objectives points should add more points in ranked even with you lose T1.
• Fix the recoil bug/pattern

More on the game :

• BAN CHEATERS AND TOXIC PLAYER. I'm done of getting insult just because I play Light. Report them do nothing. PERMA BAN ! NOT 7 DAYS
• Sound balance is terrible.
• Do something for the poor matchmaking in ranked.
• Ban cheaters. We need more feedback on our report IG and on Discord.
• Increase the netcode / tickrate / servers ! Or maybe it's lag compensation ?! I'm done getting kill at 3 meters far from a hammer or a sword
• Let us choose our sight weapons at the begining of a game
• Let us go in pratice with friends
• Delete low gravity event. Just the worst even in this game.
• Some event appear in front of the scoreboard. Fix it please
• Random skin and charm list for weapons / gadgets
• Add a TDM mode for warming up.
• We shouldn't lost point in ranked when a team mate leave the squad and didn't play during the round
• Let us invite friends or join them in group even if we are not the leader
• Add the possibility to PM friends in the lobby
• Add the possibility to look at the profil/card of friends
• Let us leave a game without penality in ranked if we are only 2 or 1 in the squad !
• Some spawn are still at the opposite of the objective.

I will always post this now and add some changes time to time.

[latent niche]

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[faint saddle]

Make us able to choose our ranked skins,

How many season must I wait before i will get a emerald/diamond/ruby dagger skin.

I will loose my shit if dagger is a plat or gold skin

I made this poor edit cause I see no ranked dagger skin in the near future

[sage oyster]

Your game blows. I am literally disgusted to the point it where it makes me want to vomit. I cannot enjoy it anymore. Matchmaking blows. Skill based matchmaking is shit. I’ve seen more cheaters this season across all game modes than ever before coming from someone who’s played since open beta. This game is just going to die at this point.

[indigo pagoda]

can we have killcams? please?

[lapis elbow]

the model "nerf" was a straight faced lie and its honest to god one of the major changes that need to happen to really smooth out the game's balance

[polar blaze]

I like this

[onyx crystal]

I'd argue the dash is the only thing keeping sword and dagger semi viable atm. Everything else here tho, u cooked

[fervent coral]

Its gotten to a point where if u dont use the model ur at a disadvantage and this is sad

[mild veldt]

Or just give more missions to complete, they changed the number of dailies in the event, i'm sure they can increase the number of missions too!

[half briar]

Get rid of the light class and balance the game and all weapons with just heavy and medium before bringing light back in, and you might not ever have to bring light back in with the success

[dawn valve]

REMOVE THE FUCKING WINCH

[feral adder]

Cool, then you got a dead game

[gritty owl]

I love playing dagger aswell and fully agree.

I find the only way to play dagger somewhat effectively is with cloak or maybe dash, but since cloak was nerfed, even that isn't great. You just have almost no way to catch up even with a heavy.

Also, the charging needs a better visual indicator, the audio cue is hardly audible when in a fight or something. When charged, you loose the charge when accidentally mantling. Either you should be able to mantle small obstacles without loosing the charge or the game should prevent you from doing so while charged. Happens too often by accident.

[faint saddle]

I dont wanna see cloak and dagger in the same sentece, dash dagger or dont play dagger

Charging has a visual indicator on your left hand the index finger is the indicator

Loosing the charge on mantle can be annyoing thoe is kinda justified making you keep the charge on mantle would be almost too strong imo, preventing you from doing so is worse

Dagger needs my said buffs

[glad wigeon]

A suggestion for a new speciality, a jet pack would be awesome to give heavy some more vertical movability. Or any other class just because it is cool

[warm flower]

Why i 9k ranked point play againt full team of 19k players??? why not put 9k and 19k in same team??

[thick sorrel]

The Finals Models Patch Notes 4.5.0 4.6.0 4.7.0 4.8.0

We couldn't balance 3 Classes and their Weapons. So we went this Season for MMM - Medium Model Meta.

~~Pike

• Decreased fire rate from 200 RPM to 199 RPM
  Dev Note: We suspect it may still be too effective, so we'll adjust in Season 5 maybe.~~

Model 1887

• Sniper Scope added
• ACOG (4x) added
  Dev Note: We nudge the effective range, so... deal with it.
  **Real Fix: 2-Shots Lights and 3-Shots Heavys, but not above 10m! - e.g. 117 Dmg+more Spread **

Akimbo Deagles

• Reworked: Shoots now explosive Rounds
  Dev Note: The midrange accuracy was way less oppressive than intended, so we added AoE to improve it.

Dual Blades

• Decreased blades from 2 to 1
  Dev Note: There's only one Blade. There's only ever gonna be one Blade.

MGL32

• Reworked: Grenades need to bounces 3 times before detonation
  Dev Note: It's so bad, I can't even make fun of it. Anyone?

Defibrillator

• Increase Charge from 1 to Two and a Half😩
  Dev Note: Defibrillated Medium's can instantly use their own Defibrillator. Obviously it's not Alan enough.

~~Healbeam

• Dogwalking plays the Theme from Ghostbusters
  Dev Note: What is Dead May Never Die~~

Charge & Slam

• Renamed to Flash & Hulk
  Dev Note: We thought it fits the lightning-fast sprint activation and the damage level of Hulk - usually used after RPG for a free kill.

Spear

• Spinning it plays the Sound Helicopter Helicopter
  Dev Note: This makes your enemies laugh even more.

[fervent coral]

Revert the fcar

[mossy herald]

Please just announce all season rewards at the start of the season. (Emerald) You don't have to show us them necessarily if it's about completed assts though I doubt that. But I should know from day 1 if I even want to be grinding for emerald in any particular season. I understood when emerald was just added it was brand new and decided on later in the season for S3. What happened for S4 though? Why only tell us now? Honestly needed a bit of a break after the s3 grind and didn't think emerald would have the same rewards this season because ranked was actually fixed. Thought it would only be the sticker/charm maybe. Now it's holiday season and I'm extremely busy and the season is gonna end before I even get a chance to grind because I only found out now it's worth doing. Really sad. Dumped so many hours into that emerald AK...

[covert kite]

I don't need my rank queues to be 8 minutes just to be stomped by some mother fucker named sneakysquirrel that has a career total of 48 kills and still in his placements. Blatant rage hacking on a brand new account is ultimately showing that nobody gives a shit about being banned if they can make a brand new account right after and play with their diamond teammates.

[dense ocean]

day 63 asking embark
let console players able/disable HUD

[torpid quarry]

Terminal attack is completely dead lol

[faint saddle]

These are my opinion after almost 900h the finals

Mid-Season 4 Update – Quality of Life, Balance Adjustments, and Bug FEEDBACK

Quality of Life and Buff/Bug Feedback

Invisible Walls
Too many invisible or torn walls disrupt gameplay, and some appear or fail to render later in matches. This needs fixing.

Balance Changes

Dagger
Secondary Attack: It should work like the throwing knives. Right-click should automatically release after max wind-up, making it smoother and less clunky.
So Holding and Tapping are both available

Replied message has indepth Dagger explanation

Dual Blades
Deflect Accuracy: Deflect accuracy needs improvement. Bullets deflected by dual blades miss and only reduce damage by 80%. Expanding the deflection cone would make it more rewarding.
Deflect Animation: The parry stance should be available anytime, including during other animations, allowing players to cancel certain moves (e.g., sledgehammer heavy attack). Currently, parries don’t always register, especially with heavy weapons like the sledgehammer, causing damage to phase through.
Blocking Speed: Blocking should allow players to sprint at heavy speed. Medium speed is too fast, but current movement feels too restricted.
Damage Adjustment: Adjusting damage values from 100, 120, 65 to 120, 100, 100 would make quick melee attacks more useful against light enemies.
Bullet Model Interaction: Bullets should reflect accurately. If one hits, all subsequent bullets connect, even if they should be deflected.
Inspect Animation: Holding items other than dual blades resets the inspect animation to default, showing the wrong animation until respawn.

Revolver
Needs a range buff. It feels underpowered compared to main weapons like the Pike, and a range increase would make it more competitive.

FCAR
Rarely used compared to the AKA and Pike. Adding 1 damage would make it more viable.

Bow
The bow could use a 5-damage buff on fully charged shots, making two-shotting mediums more reasonable.

Quality of Life Improvements

Team Color Outlines
Team color outlines are still bugged, making it hard to distinguish enemy teams when colors don’t display correctly.

Audio Bugs
Audio issues are a major frustration with three main problems:

No Gunshot Sounds: Guns sometimes produce no audio when fired, so players only see incoming damage.
Persistent Firing Sounds: Guns occasionally keep firing after the player is dead, looping for 10+ seconds.
Rapid-Fire Audio Glitch: Weapons like the M11 sometimes glitch, making them sound like they’re firing at an insane rate.
Skins for Gadgets
Many gadgets, like the Vanish Bomb and Gateway, would benefit from skins. Some gadgets haven’t had a new skin since Season 1.

Equipment Progression
Add more levels beyond Level 8, especially for abilities like dash, charge, and slam. Unique skins or sound effect changes for higher levels would add depth.

Anti-Cheat Improvements

Cheater Reporting and Mid-Game Bans
Cheating has become more noticeable, especially in higher-ranked lobbies like Diamond. I've encountered several cheaters, and only a few got banned. Adding mid-game bans after multiple reports could help curb this.

Suggested QOL, Buffs, and Nerfs

Defibrillator Nerfs
The defib should have some limitations:

Post-Revive Glitch Effect: Players could experience a 6-second glitch after being revived.
Damageable Hologram: The hologram should be damageable and interruptible by enemy fire. It’s frustrating when mediums can easily revive a heavy going unpunished

Data Reshaper Buff
Make friendly items and structures reshapable, such as reshaping jump pads to prevent enemies from following. Ziplines should also be reshappable so they can be removed as needed.

[plush fjord]

embark pls fiz sword and dagger hit reg, feels unfair to see sword mains coupling evas dash to me hit me using effing bluetooth whereas to get a land on someone with a sledge i need to be at SH1900 distance

[red echo]

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/s/5QZw4VETDl WE DONT WANT RPG ON MEDIUM DO NOT ADD THIS

[fallen mirage]

I’m a Powershift player, so I don’t know about other game modes, but I feel the matchmaking is much more balanced these days with team members. Yes, there are opponents who sometimes totally annihilate you but it’s fun to have different degrees of difficulty between the various matches. Keep up the great work guys!

[brave dagger]

Lets talk a bit about MGL - 32
In past patch notes, you've mentioned reworking the MGL-32. As a fan, I hope this means a soft rework rather than a complete overhaul. The weapon is powerful but challenging to master, with a few quirks that make it less popular.

The current damage and shooting via walls is fine, and it doesn't need to be much stronger up close. It feels more like a backline weapon, best supported by teammates. This is all good imo.

One issue is its high dependency on certain maps—maps like SYS and Fortune Stadium work well because they’re flatter, while obstacles in places like Monaco / Kyoto rooftops make bounce predictions tricky. Low-gravity event in casual play also makes the weapon harder to use effectively as it completely throws off the bounces and makes them much harder to hit.

Maybe the only changes it needs are a less vertical bounce on things like rooftops and floors making it slightly easier to aim in those situations. I think its ok for it to be a weapon that works amazingly in some situations and less so in others, it cements the need for approaching situations tactically.

A major buff could be for nades to explode when near players no matter the bounce timing etc. But this would probably make the weapon absurdly broken. I wouldn't recommend that.

[swift laurel]

emerald 1, finished all my contracts and bp, too bad i cant earn xp for previous battlepass i already own, guess ill play something else while i wait for something to do in the game

[rapid jackal]

May we get some sort of reward like a sticker or charm for reporting a person cheating and actions are taken sticker that says “cheaters never win” or something 🤷

[faint saddle]

I think there is such a thing unsure thoe

[lilac gull]

What to do if the support site opens only with a VPN?

[quick coyote]

Play semi finals now

Also, developers if you're reading this, please work on bug fixes and optimization, thank you

[worn sigil]

Reduce the amount needed for Emerald..

At this moment:
Bronze 4-1 = 25 points per division
(Taking us to 100)
Silver 4-1 = 50 points per division
(Taking us to 300)
Gold 4-1 = 75 points per division
(Taking us to 600)
Platinum 4-1 = 100 points per division
(Taking us to 1000)

Then instead of continuing the pattern of +25 per rank it adds 50 current at:
Diamond 4-1 = 150 points per division
(A jump of 50 taking us to 1600)
Emerald 4-1 = 200 points per division
(A jump of 50 taking us to 2400)

This is too much grinding, especially when we don't even know what we're aiming for! The rewards should be shown to us from the beginning so we know whether or not it's worth it!

Please change Diamond & Emerald to 25 to continue the pattern like so:
Platinum 4-1 = 125 points per division
(Taking us to 1500)
Emerald 4-1 = 150 points per division
(Taking us to 2100)

This saves us 300 points of grinding total!
🙏🥷🍿🎃🤔🔥🤞🏽

[subtle oak]

Im disappointed in the Emerlad rewards. Just the most used guns again… All the skins are going to AK, Fcar, xp54, … and than hammer?
Would it not be possible to choose our own weapons that we want the camo for. I personally use throwing knives and bow a lot, those things will never get a skin, ever.

[echo radish]

GIVING A FUCKING 7 DAY BAN FOR CHEATING IN FREE TO PLAY GAME IS ONE OF DUMBEST DECISION I SAW IN MY ENTIRE LIFE PLEASE CHANGE TERMS OF SERVICE GOD DAMN IT ARE YOU GUYS THINK BAN IS VACATION OR SOMETHING? REALLY?

[lilac coral]

That’s mental WTH is the dev team smoking

[wraith orchid]

yes please do this embark and the model also needs a damage nerf to 109 hp min because burst weapons have a major advantage anyways and 2 clean hits for a light is ok but by no means one hit and melee. another dipertion nerf should also be considered. PS: sniper effective range should be at least doubled but if you ask me 100 meters should ber considered minimum

[red echo]

appearantly somethign unique bc i havent seen such balancing decisions on any other game

[abstract ravine]

🪤

[lilac coral]

Every week they do some crazy stuff last week we got a fashion show in a PvP game like WTF who is even asking for this stuff.. then this week they just announced the rewards for WT wit maybe 3 weeks left of the season 😂 and now I see some sort of RPG for medium. But yeah game is fine no audio bugs visual bugs OP guns… good job embark keep the good work

[fading pelican]

I think it's because of the recent contract too - about eliminating/interrupting those who steal cashout. It forced people who don't really place Cashout/Terminal Attack/World Tour into that space and more leavers after they didn't like it.
I know I've done it once or twice tbh. (I usually play Power Shift)
Embark really fumbled this season. They have no idea on player behavior and how their incentive system is so wrong. I don't expect a fix this season tho. They'll probably sleep on it and wait it out.

[kindred current]

We should be able to see the MS while playing, like in pubg

[lost talon]

theyre obviously not gonna put this in the actual game

[silent fog]

I can't believe you fucked up spawns this bad.
Get a grip and fix them. It's fucking embarrassing how bad spawns are right now
Stop ruining your fucking game

[feral adder]

So real, especially the emerald stuff is so unnecessary, only half the people that would have normally grinded it are going to now (it also kinda takes too long, last season I spent over 100hrs in WT for em3)…

[dim gyro]

I keep getting the tutorial no matter what I do, keeps popping up even after games.

[red echo]

you never know with embark

[robust token]

-r

[quick coyote]

Everyone running around with a model. its stale

[half briar]

Dying to a model is a 100 times less frustrating than dying to a dashing light with an arsenal of the game's most annoying weapons and equipment.

[wide void]

kindly either put the people nolives who are already Emerald 1 into their own queue or award Win Points for fighting them so that they stop gatekeeping the Win Points and making the grind slower for the rest of the playerbase

[queen rapids]

This flamethrower shit is goofy man lol. Either add a little buff to lights health or reduce the range/spread. We need to go in the direction of rewarding aim

[strong vessel]

Idk man i've seen people get a perma right off the bat even if they weren't cheating.

[dark niche]

model 2 shots mediums & if you have okay positioning lights are super easy to kill

[restive crescent]

last season was complaining about emerald beeing wins, embark make it win points and people still complain, if you made a basic calculation it takes basically half what we needed last season

[wooden atlas]

Ehh, there are bigger problems than flamethrower RN

[ionic spade]

Really liked the fansion thing on reddit. Such a fun way of doing coumity stuff

[long arrow]

+1
add musics soundtracks choice in lobby , matchmaking & win pls :3

[queen rapids]

100%. That model is goofy too. What other changes do you think is an issue

[wraith orchid]

FIX THE BULLSHIT MANTLE ISSUES GODDAMN I FALL DOWN EVERY THIRD TIME WHILE TRYING TO CLIMB THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE

[ember mural]

IM NEW I LIKE THE GAME BUT THE MATCHMAKING IS NOT SO GOOD

[rough herald]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183069658086117447/1303725265884545054/ezgif.com-animated-gif-maker.gif

[silent fog]

Fix the fucking spawns. It's embarrasing how fucking garbage the spawns are right now. You've ruined your game to reward shit players by making the plug meta, small wipe penalty and teams losing vault fights spawn on the fucking cash out.

@signal basin too bad they don't give a fuck and are only here to farm casuals for money

[signal basin]

THIS ! OH GOD. I will add it to my list

[solar berry]

Me and all my homies hate the finals *

[smoky sluice]

400-500 most of the times, don’t know if it depends on the rounds you win but i would guess so.

[cloud vale]

mimimi, mimimi

[covert kite]

Hot take, make contestants spawn individually if there is a wipe and have that team punished by either having to take the time to regroup or push individually. Instead of having the enemy team set up on a cash out after being wiped

[cosmic narwhal]

day 14 of asking for a ready up button

[solid thunder]

( UnrealBoy#1960 )
recommendation for season 5 -
Light Player-
Specialization: This player can avoid taking damage for a duration of 10 to 15 seconds. They can also start taking damage if they block up to 75 points of damage.
Gadget: A drone follows the enemies for 20 to 30 seconds to reveal his location also dell 5HP damages in every 1.25 seconds and can be destroyed by enemy bullets.

Medium Player
Specialization: This player can deploy a turret or a land mine, or drone that heals any teammates within a range, restoring up to 250 HP, while also able to deal up to 100 damage to enemies in that range. The device operates automatically and can recharge itself after a certain period.
Gadget: A drill that can pierce through walls and deliver an electric shock to enemies behind them, similar to a Taser.

Heavy Player
Specialization: This player can call in a medium-sized drone airstrike that inflicts damage on enemies and can also break walls and ceilings. Players can designate the strike location using a handheld tablet or a laser pointer.
Gadget: A grenade that slows down enemy movement within a specified range.

[lost talon]

sunny kyoto performance is dropping off a cliff now, not even in the same ballpark as it was before the recent updates. Performance in general in all maps is getting really bad in comparison to what it used to be just a month ago

[sonic arrow]

Add range falloff to all shotguns in the game, I should not take 120 damage from 50+ meters away. Visual recoil wouldn't be necessary as a way of balancing if guns were used in their intended ranges with the correct falloff values. This game's balancing is becoming a joke.

Add headshot multipliers to sniper, any other game I can 1 headshot players why not here. Reduce aim assist on it if need be but I want to be rewarded for precision and high skill.

[wraith orchid]

add proper range to the weapons and stop giving deagles, dmrs, ars... more range than a sniper

[uneven dagger]

Day 742 of asking for the deletion of this channel (trust me bro) it stinks and the people in here stink

It stinks so bad in here

[silent fog]

You actually had the start of something great, and you completely fucking ruined it.
The new map is like you completely ignored what made Kyoto a shit map and learned nothing from Seoul hospital.
The map is not good.
Spawns are incredibly fucking horrible right now.
Performance is bad, maps break too easy which makes the performance worse and the maps play like shit.
Cash out rules (plug meta) are just bad and reward worse teams, not better teams like you hoped it would.
Now you leave us with model meta(people have been asking for a model nerf since S2)
Cheating is out of control.
Audio bugs where you can't hear people shooting you or you just hear infinite shooting somewhere.
This game is just to farm casuals for money. What a shame.

[shy token]

As we can all see, THE FINALS' community is deeply passionate when it comes to concept art and making drip. Earlier this year we saw the switch away from exclusive bundle pricing to individual items now being made available for purchase. This alone allowed a great amount of customisation and personalisation of the game. But @shy token is back this time to argue the case for community driven input.

By allowing the community to create fan-made concepts and outfits using available items, TF has allowed its community to creatively flourish. However, we think, and there are others who have considered this idea as well within the community, that new community made items should be given the chance to be official and in-game.

This would not be the first time that such a thing exists in the world of gaming. Warframe's 'TennoGen' is one of the best examples of having the community be involved in the creative process. This engagement's potential is virtually limitless and invaluable for the game's longevity and community. It can be further sustained by giving the creator(s) a chance to be awarded through a variety of ways, in combination or merely by themselves:
(a) recognition,
(b) in-game or IRL payment,
(c) but most importantly a free (perhaps personalised) version of the very same item that will be immortalised in the world of TF.
(DAY 84)

[quaint forge]

Pls don’t add nade indicator, thays gonna be a nerf to em, and having no indicators makes you be careful with your plays

[signal basin]

Read my name.

• Nerf model damage. STILL OP AFTER YOUR "NERF"
• Add an indicator for the frag grenade !
• Nerf a bit damage Deagle at mid/long range
• Reverse XP nerf. Same dmg than a M11 but slower RPM and less bullets. Just useless now. STILL USELESS AFTER YOUR "BUFF"
• Rework mesh shield
• Nerf Charge'N'Slam. Too much damage.
• Give back the rpm on the V9S but let the damage.
• Buff grapple. Reduce cooldown by 1 sec or add charge.
• If Hook do damage, Stun gun should do. Put damage for both of them or no damage for both of them.
• Nerf the right clic + Dash on Light. You couldn't dash with your sword or dagger charge. Too strong.
• Nerf defib. To strong. It's litteraly the M meta.
• Mates being revive with defib shouldn't tank bullets. Or should take damage !
• Patch the level up bug on weapons at the end of matches. It's been here since many months now !
• Kill, Assist, Revive and Objectives points should add more points in ranked even with you lose T1.
• Fix the recoil bug/pattern
• Fix the spawn after a wipe, SHOULD NOT RESPAWN on CashOut and camping for your vault

More on the game :

• BAN CHEATERS AND TOXIC PLAYER. I'm done of getting insult just because I play Light. Report them do nothing. PERMA BAN ! NOT 7 DAYS
• Sound balance is terrible.
• Do something for the poor matchmaking in ranked.
• Ban cheaters. We need more feedback on our report IG and on Discord.
• Increase the netcode / tickrate / servers ! Or maybe it's lag compensation ?! I'm done getting kill at 3 meters far from a hammer or a sword
• Let us choose our sight weapons at the begining of a game
• Let us go in pratice with friends
• Delete low gravity event. Just the worst even in this game.
• Some event appear in front of the scoreboard. Fix it please
• Random skin and charm list for weapons / gadgets
• Add a TDM mode for warming up.
• We shouldn't lost point in ranked when a team mate leave the squad and didn't play during the round
• Let us invite friends or join them in group even if we are not the leader
• Add the possibility to PM friends in the lobby
• Add the possibility to look at the profil/card of friends
• Let us leave a game without penality in ranked if we are only 2 or 1 in the squad !
• Some spawn are still at the opposite of the objective.

I will always post this now and add some changes time to time.

[red arch]

buff glitch nades, buff mesh, nerf model, natural HML could happen.
you guys are so close to solid balancing

[plush fjord]

Got some decent gadget/specialization ideas:

Heavy:

• Pyro Turret-- Self explanatory. Spews a large amount of fire that deal high damage over time but has low range. Puts the ground on fire and has a big area, hence could be damaging to teammates (the drawback).
• Jetpack-- Use it to move vertically in a set period of time, also can be used for stuff like double jump and gliding, but still doesnt move THAT fast to maintain the feature of slowness (doesnt neccessarily mean no movement).
• Railgun-- Fires powerful laser beams with a charge of say 2 or 3 secs. They penetrate any and every wall or floor in its path until it hits ground, where it does a huge explosion. When charging, theres a red flash similar to the sniper glint. Three uses just like the demat. Laser is thin at first, then gets thicker, so its much more difficult to use it in actual mid or near range combat. Mostly for destruction

Med:

• Energizer-- Turret that emits sonic bursts of energy in all directions in a certain radius (similar ot that of an aps turret, a bit bigger tho) that increases movement speed, reload speed and cooldown speed for a short time. Will deactivate if enemy is in the range.
• Sonar Boomerang-- Throw it at an enemy for a good amount of damage which will then detect enemies nearby if any and bounce at them to hit them as well. Returns to you after no other enemy is found. Also does the tracking feature like a sonar nade for a few secs. No cap for number of enemies, but they can still destroy it mid-air. Penetrates walls.
• Barbed Wire-- Self-explanatory. Take out that ipad/tablet thing and place it on the ground like a guardian turret. Damages enemies and slows them down. Also makes a sound to alert players someone is going thro. Similar to r6s.

Will post ideas abt lights cuz im getting my word count limit.

[worn sigil]

Compared with last season it is miles better.. and making wind per round count makes it far easier I admit.
But that's not what I'm talking about..
Or "complaining" as if logical feedback is complaining KEKW.

Anyways, I'm saying the amount of time it takes as a solo player with teammates who have no tactics whatsoever. Means more games played. Obviously.

This isn't a ranked mode so it shouldn't have been wins for emerald last season in the first place.

[glass sequoia]

We should put the seed next to the team name in ranked matches.

[quick coyote]

Modcheck for spam also deleted visual recoil

[wraith orchid]

the problem with glitch grenades is that light is the only class whose usability highly depends on the specs so this gadget is already unfair and should get a rework

[quartz dirge]

yo that’s me

[unborn mirage]

Fix cashout/vault spawns - cashouts/vaults now spawn within 50-60m of eachother which makes 3rd partying worse... Nerf model to 100 damage
Add granade indicators

[white elbow]

just because solo q is harder dosnt mean it was harder than last season, why make something so much easier when players already hit emerald 1 in the first 10 days?

[patent mural]

An option to choose between different Seasons OSTs and main menu backgrounds? 🤔

[onyx tiger]

Make Defib take up two gadget slots and then buff it. Other super strong staple gadgets should also take 2 gadgets perhaps. Shake up the meta

[rapid stream]

No

[haughty totem]

Can we please be able to swap our WT badge out of our player cards? I hardly care about it. Would rather put something else there

[sharp estuary]

Day#6 Rework the dual blades: The third attack of the combo should be the first attack and it should be faster and a dash attack, that way players could reach the enemies easier, the damage of the first attack would be increased from 70 to X1 100, X2 60; X2 50, the dual blades should be able to deflect when running but I'm not sure if the latter would be balanced

[worn sigil]

I didn't say make it so much easier in that sense.
I said there was no need to ruin the part of each division going up by 25 so
Diamond would be 125 not 150
Emerald would be 150 not 200

Yes it's supposed to get progressively harder but arguably the only hard thing is abiding by a time constraint.

[jagged vector]

This game is in need of some real balance changes. Why is there so many weapons that two shot you? Why are there many abilities? You cannot counter?

[patent wind]

literally everything has a counter. name one thing without a counter.

anyway add back solo bank it to private matches 🥺

[proven crown]

Please split up body paint from face makeup

[floral vault]

That's a bit extreme, sure the model meta is a pain in the ass but the new map is really good apart from a few sections. (Destruction is a bit of a problem)
Plug meta isn't bad it's just different than what we were used to, and I like how it makes it harder to end up with no chance at the end of the round.
I'm in plat ranked and haven't seen a single cheater.
Audio bugs can be problematic, especially the infinite shooting bug has killed me a few times.
I think they should revert the sledge nerf because it made the hammer so much harder to use
Also don't ever say they are just In it for the money because this game is the least money grubbing game out there, compare it to apex, cod, or any other big shooter and you will realize how silly you sound

[onyx tiger]

yes game is great lets be positive

[neon burrow]

Cuz most cheaters arent in the platty ranks. Usually they in t500 although there has been some platty cheaters around but usually its close to diamond where it goes crazy.

Thats why its not that common to find cheaters in the plat ranks

[jagged vector]

Triple medium with defibs, lights dash with literally any weapon, winch claw,

[slow oracle]

Even though Im no where near it, Im currently working on 100p the game and I just realized that the Steam tracker for cash isnt counting properly, what games does this achievement track? Im at nearly 2 million cash ingame, but I do enjoy a fair amount of Power Shift

[willow yoke]

Fucking dumb asf dash how is fucking model not nerfed i dont fucking i get
how can you look at any high elo game/breakout and be like yeah this is fine

[fleet panther]

Please retroactively add the Ruby player card background and Ruby clavicle badge for people that got ruby in Season 3

[patent wind]

for the defibs glitch traps/nade, sword or flame to multihit them when they group up. light dash is any mine, cl40, flame, glitches, and shotguns. winch is stun gun, jumppad, or barricade, or just playing at a distance.

[misty geyser]

We need some sort of way to stop spawn camping in Power Shift.

[marble prawn]

release some female outfit sets with the + 2400 multibucks pls also doa arcane collab

[deep sierra]

Don't forget Buff fcar!!!

[jagged vector]

Honestly it’s the dash that’s worst cause how the hell do I counter dash with knives or dash with sword? You can’t.

[bold silo]

Nerf Model, AK

[latent niche]

Idk what you're on about it's the best balanced and most fun season my guy. Game's better than pubg, apex, all other AAA games.
I was saying the same stuff when I was depressed and needed something to be mad at but since then I grew a frontal lobe. Bullying the devs willl only hurt your cause. Be nice to them because they're really doing something great here.
Please add crosshair per-wweapon profiles and allow us to save outfits, and apply all for stickers and charms for a contestant so I need not waste 5 mins of my life changing sticker cosmetics every time I want to play a different colour scheme please

[sonic arrow]

Allow crosshair profiles for each weapon so I dont need to manually change it for each weapon

[lilac void]

why am I being put in lobbies with literal emrald player? I am bronze two and i cannot seem to do anything without every other team being ridiculously high leveled in World Tour...

[thick sorrel]

The Finals Models Patch Notes 4.5.0 4.6.0 4.7.0 4.8.0

We couldn't balance 3 Classes and their Weapons. So we went this Season for MMM - Medium Model Meta.

~~Pike

• Decreased fire rate from 200 RPM to 199 RPM
  Dev Note: We suspect it may still be too effective, so we'll adjust in Season 5 maybe.~~

Model 1887

• Sniper Scope added
• ACOG (4x) added
  Dev Note: We nudge the effective range, so... deal with it.
  **Real Fix: 2-Shots Lights and 3-Shots Heavys, but not above 10m! - e.g. 117 Dmg+more Spread **

Akimbo Deagles

• Reworked: Shoots now explosive Rounds
  Dev Note: The midrange accuracy was way less oppressive than intended, so we added AoE to improve it.

Dual Blades

• Decreased Blades from 2 to 1
  Dev Note: There's only one Blade. There's only ever gonna be one Blade.

MGL32

• Reworked: Grenades need to bounces 3 times before detonation
  Dev Note: It's so bad, I can't even make fun of it. Anyone?

Defibrillator

• Increase Charge from 1 to Two and a Half😩
  Dev Note: Defibrillated Medium's can instantly use their own Defibrillator. Obviously it's not Alan enough.

~~Healbeam

• Dogwalking plays the Theme from Ghostbusters
  Dev Note: What is Dead May Never Die~~

Charge & Slam

• Renamed to Flash & Hulk
  Dev Note: We thought it fits the lightning-fast sprint activation and the damage level of Hulk Smash - usually used after RPG for a free kill.

Spear

• Spinning it plays the Sound Helicopter Helicopter
  Dev Note: This makes your enemies laugh even more.

[smoky sluice]

as always i wish a very bad day for whoever came up with kyoto

[soft scarab]

Seriously in tournament playing 3 same class it should be banned...

[silent fog]

Plug meta is bad. It rewards worse players.
I'm happy you haven't seen cheaters, but me and many others see them almost daily.
Just because this isn't cod or apex doesn't make it any less true. You sound silly. They're playing you like a fiddle and you're eating it up 😂

[nocturne trench]

Please retroactively add the diamond player card background and diamond clavicle badge for people that got diamond in Season 2

[rapid stream]

Or you could just get diamond again… noob

[low plaza]

Add a solo gamemode no point relying on incompetent fucks as teammates

[marble prawn]

let us wear all upper body shirts with all lower body bags please 😩 didnt know you couldnt wear them together until i bought it

[neon burrow]

Please retroactively add the diamond player card background and ruby clavicle badge for people that got ruby in Season 1

[jagged vector]

Can we get an option to block certain maps we don’t like? Out of the 5 games I’ve played, 3 of them have been on syshorizon and I’m frankly just tired of syshorizon and Kyoto

[stray lake]

Many games rated I play people leave..either at the beginning or in the middle. I should be allowed to leave the game without a penalty

[brittle obsidian]

7 trillion year long queue times

[austere dew]

Please adjust the sword lunge charge up first person animation. In its current state its unclear on the exact moment when the player is able to lunge. There is a brief moment where the sword is in the lowered and pulled back position but it's not actually ready to perform a lunge. This baits the player into lunging early, canceling the attack. It's pretty frustrating and it doesn't need to be this way. Chalk it up to a skill issue and call it mastery to hone in on the timing regardless of the animation sure but the animation should just match better.

I'm not calling for a sword buff for its timings. Just adjust the animation be more clear on when the lunge is actually charged

[plush sand]

My game is just endlessly frozen on the launching screen so cant even play it

[floral vault]

I'm not saying this game is perfect, but what game is. I have many frustrations like turrets, the ridiculous amount of heavy nerfs, lousy matchmaking, and more. But I still think this game is much better than most of the other big games on the market rn. also plug meta is a side effect of the positive of not losing all of your money when another team last second third parties you. in my opinion that was much more annoying. also if you can't kill the light swinging through with grapple trying to take your cash box that's a skill issue

[trim lagoon]

sorry i've played 500 hours of this game, wtf is a plug meta

[chrome basin]

First off i want to say I've reached diamond every season as a soloq light. Except for season 1 when I was genuinly enjoying playing as a medium. I heard everyone cry how hard it was as a light to reach dimaond and wanted to check but it was genuinly super easy.

But season 4? Or 5? I don't remember which one we are in right now is honestly alot harder. Xp has been nerfed just too much. V9s is good and m11 is good and lh1 is also good. So lights do have good weapons to use that can make you compete but in 1v1 you will always lose since ttk is close if not lower for a light vs other classes fighting light. For example a heavy can kill a light faster then a light can kill heavy. Which in my mind dosnt make sense personally. A light is already lower health so if there any outside variable in that 1v1 you are essentially screwed. So yeah dont take 1v1 fights idiot. This honestly even goes if you are behind a player. Primarily a heavy. They have enough time to turn around and engage and still win the 1v1. There is just alot less room for error when playing as a light.

But that's honestly not my biggest gripe with this season. It's the nerfs to abilities. Dash regen is now horrible. Cloack is also been nerfed like crazy. Everyone can see you unless standing still and even then you are radiating noise like crazy. I don't use grapple but I wouldn't be opposed to buffing that either. If they want to make light this weak then the abilities should be king. Right now a heavy with charge or winch claw just completely destroys a light in any scenario. Cqc? Charge the light. Open area? Grab the light.

I hope we see improvements to light next season because this season it's just frustrating to play. The nerfs have been too much against this class. Also claw = season 1 stun gun. They just gave it to different class.

[silent fog]

🤦‍♂️

[umbral turret]

Nerf the CL-40 self dmg

[granite agate]

Make it so the water in Kyoto kills lights

[neon burrow]

Never add fursuits to the game

[white elbow]

Was top 500 before I got sick and stopped playing for like 12 days. Plug meta was not a side effect, it was directly intended by embark. Getting 30k if you plug all the boxes would still be significant even with the old -30% loss.

About the model meta, Embark previously said that they want to limit the amount of heavy meta-shifts to be the seasonal patches, where the midseason patch has a moderate change and only extreme stuff gets touched in the weekly patches. Their reasoning for this is probably players not wanting to feel like the meta vastly changes every 2 weeks but I kind of disagree with it. Say light and heavy gets buffed a lot, people would still expect to see model nerfs even when it would be less prevalent. Embark seems to love making guns unusable or extremely weak after they are strong for some reason and thats how we ended up with the Fcar/XP-54/Lewis gun and I expect no less to happen to the model.

[jagged vector]

Balance light to where you can actually kill them instead of them dashing around and shit so annoying to play against and then getting stunned as they are dashing, 2 dashes instead of 3

[surreal meadow]

can we remove glare from being respawned as soon as being damaged? i cannot see + terrible framerate from recent "performance" updates

im legit standing in place as i see a white screen after rez, to instantly die within half a second of the rez anim / glare thing

[half jackal]

agreed, however they gotta be careful with that, my suggestions are tightening the hipfire of most weapons so when they get in your face they aren't as annoying and/or adjusting weapons like the revolver and LH1 to 2 and 3 shot respectively, only nerf i can see being made directly to lights is like you said reduce dash to 2 charges instead of 3

[versed cloud]

93R is still bad despite all the buffs. Why not just buff the magazine or something at this point? I don't think that would hurt giving it 30 bullets

[unique kelp]

Add black bangs

[celest aurora]

wtf is wrong with everyone here
this is like, the best balanced fps i've played

[young smelt]

It needs to be way easier to get emerald, because it is not physically possible to get both emerald one and ruby in a season. For most people who have a life and can't play 8 hours a day every day, you basically have to pick between ranked and wt if you want the best rewards. Can't do both.

[solar berry]

This is beautiful

[fierce valve]

I would absolutely be overriden with of the joy in the world.to see solo bank it back in the private matches

[upper citrus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1266737129182986342/1306043984551870514/togif.gif

[near parcel]

is he goated?

[olive fulcrum]

Yeah, I guess I mean the last two pages take an absurd amount of time for something you already payed for :P

[unborn garnet]

What is everyone's opinion on the emerald skins this season?

I was away from home for a couple days so I didnt get to see the initial reactions. To be quite honest, I am quite dissappointed. XP and FCAR are not doing hot and Sledge is my go-to pick for when playing heavy but I did predict they would do a sledge emerald skin.
Might have to switch to a sledge main.

I was hoping V9S, Model and Sledge actually.

[wraith orchid]

QUICK MELEEE HITREG IS AWFUL AND LOSES ME SO MANZ GAMES

[quick coyote]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/871481830078046238/1085006547572240404/caption.gif?ex=673c8dd7&is=673b3c57&hm=1cf0f8b0f01419f39a44a8f5ee0e7eadee2512f02cdba261aeb81b9ef5b06473&

[stoic jewel]

nerf model

[lunar creek]

https://tenor.com/view/i-miss-you-but-its-probably-just-because-im-lonely-if-i-had-someone-id-probably-forget-about-you-despite-your-attempts-to-keep-yourself-in-my-life-and-make-us-remember-gif-9950769081740509005

[brittle obsidian]

average model user comms be like

[woven hawk]

I love Low Gravity can I please have a modifier that gives it to me every (solo) game / as often as I can get it? I love flying and controlling my flight with dashes please give me more low grav

[wicked pond]

Get help

[mystic nebula]

Will Fortune Stadium get added to power shift and/or terminal attack soon? These modes feel kind of tired without having gotten the new map. I know it takes some time to implement these and make sure they play well, but I hope it's still a priority.

[frank holly]

Buff fcar, 24 damage

[swift skiff]

You need 1 000 000 xp to complete the last 10 level of the bp (100k per level)

wt??

(or more bc I just saw that only the first of the 10 level needs 100k)

@quasi spade nope, in season 1 there only were 96 level and in season 2 and 3 it was 48k per level

[quasi spade]

i like this idea @proper crescent

[inland pendant]

What is with the abundance of cheaters as of late? 3 ban reports and a new cheater encountered today all within the span of 3-4 days on NA servers. Was there a firesale on cheating software or something?

[blissful smelt]

I don't know what's coming next seeson, but I have today one precise feedback: REMOVE THE FUCKIN' FLAMETHROWER
Peple from FPS will leave after being cooked a pair of time in the average indoor Cashout

[topaz barn]

Ok heres my take. Emerald skins should be locked to each season, but we get the option to choose one of the three available from the current season per emerald rank.

This doesnt ruin the fact that you put all the time in to get to emerald but still offers completionists the full package deal.

Edit* i'll add - @proper crescent - that Embark does not want to make it so that we can get any ranked reward at any season because it ruins the exclusivity aspect of them. Ranked rewards like season 3 and Terminal attack were a lot harder to get than ones from quick cash for example, and there were also diamond weapon beta rewards too so its pretty much confirmed that that wont happen

[red arch]

so many cheaters in ranked

[proper crescent]

How about you get - emerald token, usable to unlock an emerald skin for any weapon

[stable path]

PLEASE add magic weapons, i would love to see a spell book for a light or maybe a wizard staff for heavy

[surreal meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/fnb-get-this-man-a-true-gif-25257480

[rapid stream]

People still play Terminal Attack?

[untold tendon]

^

[vapid inlet]

Have moving platforms been removed I never see it

[unique kelp]

Is bank it dead?

[hexed grove]

No

[burnt notch]

Ikr, got it from another guy who posted it here

[umbral turret]

You do more damage to yourself than to an opponent. Thats just dumb.

[teal minnow]

When we will have a good ranked like in season 1/2?

[white tulip]

PLEASE add mouse and keyboard support to console

[smoky sluice]

medium cant be op, nice to have so much variety too (model only)

[faint saddle]

Fix cashout/vault spawns - cashouts/vaults now spawn within 50-60m of eachother which makes 3rd partying worse...'

• true

Remove double healbeam (two people healing the same person)

• Just nade glitch shoot the healers?`

Make defib a group cooldown (10 seconds?)

• After getting defib you dont have defib for 10 seconds

Nerf model to 100 damage

• That would kill the weapon, nerf the movement you have with it and make the dmg 119

Add granade indicators

• Either grenade indicator OR nerf the recharge time

Nerf granade amount to 1

• Note above

Nerf demat size (why was this even buffed?)

• Demat is as good as the wielder its ok atm

Add radius to turrets so two can't be placed in the same room

• Cant remember the last time i saw a turret in ranked lmao

Remove glitch traps or revert back to glitch mines

• They have been nerfed well enough, i hate them but they are ok

Buff dome shield to 8 seconds

• Yes

Remove mesh cooldown

• No

[brittle obsidian]

s1 and 2 ranked was just about as ranked as world tour is now. it was just a grindfest with very little actual skill involved.

[night glen]

100,000 XP for the battle pass levels is just FUCKING STUPID

[tulip steppe]

Another thing yall forgot to nerf. Throwing knives. Either decrease the dmg or make them limited (don't know how but make em limited).

[nocturne trench]

Please retroactively add the diamond player card background and diamond clavicle badge for people that got diamond in Season 2

[jagged walrus]

Get diamond now

[hexed grove]

Maybe use it properly then. The RPG is the same way, just gotta put some distance between you and your target. It's a grenade launcher, not a shotgun. Don't use it as such.

[lapis elbow]

PSA: if you use Medium on a regular basis with the Model you're actually bad at the game

[errant hornet]

Dearest embark. Please 🙏 fix equipment wheel on mnk. Please 🙏 fix the bug that keeps removing my weapon cosmetics and emotes. And also Please 🙏 rework the "blast caster" achievement. 😳

[frank holly]

Give the FCAR 2 extra damage

[teal minnow]

@brittle obsidian Far from what it actually was but it was still better than the clown show ee have right now. Solo queing is near impossible if you want to not play against rubint players, also I don't know if you have noticed or not but ever since Embark's so beloved Ranked Score made it's debut in the game ranked has been an unfair game for one side. Another thing to mention is that RS ranked games matchmaking is looking for overall RS meaning there could be a 50k ruby and a 38k plat then a 12 silver for fulfilling the team and getting the 100k overall RS.. Complete bullshit. RS did destroy ranked games fairness ,hope Embark manages to understand this. Also it is NOT ALRIGHT playing 2 matches gaing an avarage 1500-2000RS (taking arround an hour or so) then losing 2 matches and boom you have lost all the progress you made + some more RS(takes about 16 to 20 minutes) .
The win/lose RS rate is in a bad balance as well. Really I love this game and want to play it for a longer time but ranked makes me question things about my thoughts.

Also Embark I spent more then 160-200€ on cosmetics to be able to use them ,and not to me having to select all skins over again and again because your game is incompatible of making simple tasks like remembering what skins, emotes ,sprays I selected.

This is NOT a hate speech against this game but the harsh reality about how things stand right now. Ranked sucks (still) and solo Q is way more horrible than it should be. Much love to Embark and all the beautifull devs making this game ,please do something. Thank you, see you in the arena.

[iron turret]

One recommendation for next season change the ranked system to be player based pls I am tired of losing points because teammates are not performing sometimes

[sage sonnet]

Why arent the World Tour emerald skins announced right away? By the time if find out there may be a skin i want, i would not have time to grind to emerald

[sonic spoke]

Sometimes I'm get a game in less that 1min .. most times not though
@hexed grove They are not wrong. Cl-40 does nothing close to the self damage % that RPG does. Both are grenade launchers

[iron bough]

It's too late to cry now, my friend. You should have cried at the start of the season.

[gleaming lance]

List of some of the best balancing changes I've seen suggested by members of the community that are also well received by most of the community (day 1):

1. Model damage: 128 --> 116 or 112

This allows the model to 1 tap + qm light, 2 tap + qm medium, 3 tap +qm heavy. If you decrease the range or add a accuracy penalty when moving than you destroy the whole personality of the model. A fire rate nerf could work but that would be a lot of work for doing the same thing that simply adjusting the damage could do.

2. Mesh shield: Remove cooldown, but add an activation cost.

Mesh shield juggling was a cool mechanic that showed skill expression, but it was dominant and a skilled player could minimize all the damage they took to near zero. Adding an activation cost allows for the skill expression to be there but less dominant. They can still mesh juggle but each time they activate it, the mesh shield is weakened. -150 health is what I'd suggest but could be any where between 125 to 250.

[patent wind]

yes to the model,
no to the mesh. ik we liked juggling but i really dont wanna go back to that meta, too boring

[night glen]

lol.... do they tell you how much XP per level at the start? I didn't see it.... still... gonna cry about these fucking ASSHOLE DEVS wanting 100,000 XP .... ASSHOLES

[quick coyote]

something is seriously wrong with rank point deduction system. I was only supposed to lose -100rs for finishing 6th place but i ended up losing -767

GIVE EVERYONE THEIR POINTS BACK

[hexed grove]

You already made your money back. Those are just the bonus tiers.

[keen heath]

Alright embark Im tired of this Can you punish players for leaving in quickplay matches Im very tired of my games being losed because some snowflake died and got mad
you can even do a small ramp up for concurrent leavers
1st leave is a 2min wait
2nd leave is 5min wait
3rd leave is 10min wait
4th leave is 15min wait
this strike system wont be forever it will reset after 24h so they go back to a 1st leave at some point

[covert oyster]

u should be able to add or remove your scopes in the time to change up your loadout before the game

[coral turtle]

please make the Fcar usefull, it's shots RPM is soo slow compared to AK

[feral shell]

please fix the footstep audio. ive lost count how many times a light comes up behind me without ever making a sound.

[wide void]

fix the stupid audio bugs. sometimes gunfire is just completely silent.
fix the stupid spawns. wiped teams spawn right on top of cashouts.
let us to turn off TAA in the options.
nerf Model 1887's damage (to less than 125 -- nerf damage on only the outer 4 pellets to achieve 124)
buff CL-40's damage (at least 105) and lower the self damage (at least 105)
buff KS-23's damage (at least 104)
buff/rework Spear
buff MGL32 (just make it explode on direct contact w/ enemies, too)
buff FCAR's damage (it's currently less DPS than AKM. why?)
buff/rework Riot Shield
buff/rework Dual Blades (or just let the attacking and deflecting animations cancel each other more smoothly...)
reduce cooldown on damaged Mesh Shield from 8s to 4s (or remove it entirely)
nerf Charge 'n' Slam's damage
buff 93R (you don't have to touch the damage to buff it)
buff XP-54's damage (from 16 to 17 seems fair?)
make the Recurve Bow stop shaking the camera back and forth and changing the FoV when firing. or at least make these options.
remove the projectile gimmick on the SR-84 and just make it hitscan again. literally every other gun is more consistent than it.
buff Explosive Mine damage to at least 125
nerf Defib (make the holograms destroyable, either by damage or by glitch effects)
change invisibility to be true invisibility (instead of this pseudo-invisibility that you can still actually see), then nerf it in other areas (like sound, duration, giving you a damage nerf when you've just come out of cloak, or even making it straight-up visible when close to people). at best, this "hard to see" shit is a crutch for noobs that only works against noobs, and it's an accessibility issue at worst.
add full-auto as an option to every weapon so you don't have to repeatedly click. you already have buffering.
stop making World Tour the only gamemode. reduce the grind or make other modes award Win Points (even if not as many).
let us see enemy specializations outside of the intro cutscene.

[zealous mural]

i absolutely hate the amount of grind this season has. battle pass is 2 times grindier than before, sponsor... like wtf is that even. I hope you will fix it next season, but i have a feeling it's gonna be even more grind, and me and my friends are not playing this 2nd work simulator if that happens

[silent fog]

FIX THE SPAWNS.
A team that gets wiped at vault should not spawn closer to the cash out

[red mural]

NERF THE SELF DAMAGE ON THE CL-40

[rapid stream]

It's already gutted it doesnt need more nerfs dawg

[frank holly]

BUFF FCAR!! 24 damage to put it in the goldilocks zone between too hot (season 1) and too cold (right now)

[elfin oasis]

BOOSTEROID pls embark

[royal forge]

Please change the ranking system to what it was before. no one asked for this change. this "difficulty" thing affecting the amount of points you get is not good.

[quick coyote]

They can keep the "difficulty" but they should stop lying about how much points im losing. I was only supposed to lose -100rs for finishing 6th place but i ended up losing -767

[lapis elbow]

nerf the most difficult to use weapon in the game

[random lagoon]

Thermal Vision sometimes won't activate. I posted on reddit here: https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1guipis/thermal_vision_sometimes_doesnt_work/

[tulip steppe]

Ain't no way you said throwing knives are the most difficult weapon to use😅 all u need is dash + spamming.

[jagged vector]

And no world should ANY WEAPON 2 shot you

[proper thorn]

buff the goo gun!

[uneven dagger]

The wah wah warehouse

[umbral turret]

He said self damage dawg

[wide void]

fix the audio bugs. sometimes gunfire is just completely silent.
fix the stupid spawns. wiped teams spawn right on top of cashouts.
let us to turn off TAA in the options.
nerf Model 1887's damage (to less than 125 -- nerf damage on only the outer 4 pellets to achieve 124)
buff CL-40's damage (at least 105) and lower the self damage (at least 105)
buff KS-23's damage (at least 104)
buff/rework Spear
buff MGL32 (just make it explode on direct contact w/ enemies, too)
buff FCAR's damage (it's currently less DPS than AKM... why?)
buff/rework Riot Shield
buff/rework Dual Blades (or just let the attacking and deflecting animations cancel each other more smoothly...)
reduce cooldown on damaged Mesh Shield from 8s to 4s (or remove it entirely)
nerf Charge 'n' Slam's damage
buff 93R (you don't have to touch the damage to buff it)
buff XP-54's damage (from 16 to 17 seems fair?)
make the Recurve Bow stop shaking the camera back and forth and changing the FoV when firing. or at least make these options.
remove the projectile gimmick on the SR-84 and just make it hitscan again. literally every other gun is more consistent than it.
buff Explosive Mine damage to at least 125
nerf Defib (make the holograms destroyable, either by damage or by glitch effects)
change invisibility to be true invisibility (instead of this pseudo-invisibility that you can still actually see), then nerf it in other areas (like sound, duration, giving you a damage nerf when you've just come out of cloak, or even making it straight-up visible when close to people). at best, this "hard to see" shit is a crutch for noobs that only works against noobs, and it's an accessibility issue at worst.
add full-auto as an option to every weapon so you don't have to repeatedly click. you already have buffering.
stop making World Tour the only gamemode. reduce the grind or make other modes award Win Points (even if not as many).
let us see enemy specializations outside of the intro cutscene.
🥚🔨

[hearty marten]

I love how out of every single thing here, only 2 made the cut. Accurate.

[proven parcel]

Can we get the hitscan sniper pls?

[mystic nebula]

There are dozens of us!! Yeah, actually, I'm in the top 60 global leaderboard and I don't even play it that much. Now that it's not the ranked mode and all of the cheaters have gone, I find it more enjoyable than it was during S3.

[wide void]

fix the audio bugs. sometimes gunfire is just completely silent.
fix the stupid spawns. wiped teams spawn right on top of cashouts.
let us to turn off TAA in the options.
nerf Model 1887's damage (to less than 125 -- nerf damage on only the outer 4 pellets to achieve 124)
buff CL-40's damage (at least 105) and lower the self damage (at least 105)
buff KS-23's damage (at least 104)
buff/rework Spear
buff MGL32 (just make it explode on direct contact w/ enemies, too)
buff FCAR's damage (it's currently less DPS than AKM... why?)
buff/rework Riot Shield
buff/rework Dual Blades (or just let the attacking and deflecting animations cancel each other more smoothly...)
reduce cooldown on damaged Mesh Shield from 8s to 4s (or remove it entirely)
nerf Charge 'n' Slam's damage
buff 93R (you don't have to touch the damage to buff it)
buff XP-54's damage (from 16 to 17 seems fair?)
make the Recurve Bow stop shaking the camera back and forth and changing the FoV when firing. or at least make these options.
remove the projectile gimmick on the SR-84 and just make it hitscan again. literally every other gun is more consistent than it.
buff Explosive Mine damage to at least 125
nerf Defib (make the holograms destroyable, either by damage or by glitch effects)
change invisibility to be true invisibility (instead of this pseudo-invisibility that you can still actually see), then nerf it in other areas (like sound, duration, giving you a damage nerf when you've just come out of cloak, or even making it straight-up visible when close to people). at best, this "hard to see" shit is a crutch for noobs that only works against noobs, and it's an accessibility issue at worst.
add full-auto as an option to every weapon so you don't have to repeatedly click. you already have buffering.
stop making World Tour the only gamemode. reduce the grind or make other modes award Win Points (even if not as many).
let us see enemy specializations outside of the intro cutscene.
🥚🔨

[lone hazel]

I think the ideal meta would be HML, I dont have any suggestions on how to do that because i have no experience balancing stuff but mabye give light something that makes it vital for teamplay but also redundant if used by multiple teamates.
I think it would be much more fun than MMM, HMM or HHM

[final solar]

idc about everything else.... WHERE IS THE MODEL NERF FFS

[carmine ginkgo]

daily nerf model dmg reminder

[wide void]

fix the audio bugs. sometimes gunfire is just completely silent.
fix the stupid spawns. wiped teams spawn right on top of cashouts.
let us to turn off TAA in the options.
nerf Model 1887's damage (to less than 125 -- nerf damage on only the outer 4 pellets to achieve 124)
buff CL-40's damage (at least 105) and lower the self damage (at least 105)
buff KS-23's damage (at least 104)
buff/rework Spear
buff MGL32 (just make it explode on direct contact w/ enemies, too)
buff FCAR's damage (it's currently less DPS than AKM... why?)
buff/rework Riot Shield
buff/rework Dual Blades (or just let the attacking and deflecting animations cancel each other more smoothly...)
reduce cooldown on damaged Mesh Shield from 8s to 4s (or remove it entirely)
nerf Charge 'n' Slam's damage
buff 93R (you don't have to touch the damage to buff it)
buff XP-54's damage (from 16 to 17 seems fair?)
make the Recurve Bow stop shaking the camera back and forth and changing the FoV when firing. or at least make these options.
remove the projectile gimmick on the SR-84 and just make it hitscan again. literally every other gun is more consistent than it.
buff Explosive Mine damage to at least 125
nerf Defib (make the holograms destroyable, either by damage or by glitch effects)
change invisibility to be true invisibility (instead of this pseudo-invisibility that you can still actually see), then nerf it in other areas (like sound, duration, giving you a damage nerf when you've just come out of cloak, or even making it straight-up visible when close to people). at best, this "hard to see" shit is a crutch for noobs that only works against noobs, and it's an accessibility issue at worst.
add full-auto as an option to every weapon so you don't have to repeatedly click. you already have buffering.
stop making World Tour the only gamemode. reduce the grind or make other modes award Win Points (even if not as many).
let us see enemy specializations outside of the intro cutscene.
🥚🔨

[vernal swallow]

holy shit this is peak

[tulip steppe]

Light mains are gonna be the end of this game🚮

[quick coyote]

Lights are crazy op now i often experince lights pushing entire teams themselfs and still killing 1-2 players, their weapons are so Over-Powerede now espacially the M11, wich now for some crappy reason has a sight, The M11,s recoil and crappy sight was the main thing making it fairly balanced, it made it hard to hit all shots, so naturally it had an super high firerate giving the m11 a cool option for crazy damage potential if you hit your shots, now it has a sight, its never been easier to use it, making the damage potential so much easier to achieve, making it so nothing really has a chance against it.

Heavies don't feel tanky anymore, you get killed so fast by a low level lights its mad, ruining the awesome experience that heavy brought by feeling unstoppable.

Light isnt fun the same way anymore, it used to include strats and certain gadgets to taking down the heavies for example, back then it felt like an Achievement when you took down a heavy head on. Most heavies shine at close range, that is its core design and function, the only place light had an advantage was its awesome potential to dodge, Hence the agility of light and the slow but tanky hp of heavy is what was giving them both equally valid advantages over each other, but with the nerfs to heavy and the buffs to light, the balance is totally flipped, making heavies feel weak compared to the high damage of the light.

Medium is supposed to be a perfect balance of the classes, by wich i mean agility of light and defense of heavy, whilst having its own touch of sharing it with the team, but with heavies nerf, medium is getting closer and closer to outshining heavy at its core function.

I study game design, and i get your trying to make the game appeal to the newer players, and hopefully making some long term fans by giving them op weapons to rely on against tryhards But you have gone to far by ruining the fun of other classes then light. ruining the fun of the game for literally everyone else

[terse oxide]

Please make player badges on the card smaller and allow us to have 4

[quick coyote]

Dear Developers,

First off, thank you for creating such an innovative and exciting experience with THE FINALS. The game’s dynamic destruction and creative gameplay set it apart from other FPS titles, and it’s clear a lot of care has gone into making it unique.

That said, I wanted to share some feedback regarding ranked play. Currently, THE FINALS allows multiple players to pick the same archetype in ranked mode. While this contributes to the game’s chaotic and freeform identity, it also creates significant balancing issues. Most competitive class/hero FPS games implement a ranked role-lock system (e.g., Overwatch, Paladins) because it encourages strategic diversity, eliminates stacking imbalances, and leads to a more refined competitive experience.

By limiting ranked matches to a Heavy-Medium-Light role-lock system, you could offer a more balanced and skill-driven mode without compromising the creative chaos that defines other gameplay modes. Players would still have the freedom to explore duplicates in casual play, but ranked would become a more strategic and polished environment—aligning with the benefits seen in other popular games in the genre.

Thank you for considering this suggestion. I’m confident it would enhance the ranked experience and elevate THE FINALS as a competitive FPS. I’m excited to see how the game continues to grow and evolve.

Best regards

[gleaming lance]

The issue is that lights are no where close to being op and are rlly only viable in low elo. Mediums are dominant every where else.

[charred marten]

I really like this take of the mesh shield rework, i hated having a heavy just rush you without thinking with the shield, this would be a great change

[quartz dirge]

Yeah this seems like a bronze/silver take

Yes, lights have good dps weapons. Why? Because they are the squishiest class. They are not meant to take head on fights. If you are losing to a light as heavy, you either:

1. have poor/the worse positioning
2. suck at the game

Lights have less and less use in higher ranks because medium and heavy are far more useful for long, sustained battles and don’t die instantly

tldr light isn’t op ur just bad

[radiant reef]

If not in the plans yet, please consider releasing past seasonal content starting from 4 seasons ago (so 1 year) into the shop

[burnt notch]

RIGHT

[obsidian narwhal]

I think it would be cool if AI or bots where a little bit better I got matched up with a random who decided to disconnect and got a very bad bot who couldn’t even use the defibrillator to revive me

[shadow helm]

Lag has been getting worse after each patch. wtf

[proper thorn]

?

[dark niche]

Xbox / PS5 Crossplay only matchmaking.

[solemn sedge]

Based and honest answer
Also on a completely unrelated note to the devs:
add amethyst skins for progression skin plz

[wide void]

fix the audio bugs. sometimes gunfire is just completely silent.
fix the stupid spawns. wiped teams spawn right on top of cashouts.
let us to turn off TAA in the options.
nerf Model 1887's damage (to less than 125 -- nerf damage on only the outer 4 pellets to achieve 124)
buff CL-40's damage (at least 105) and lower the self damage (at least 105)
buff KS-23's damage (at least 104)
buff/rework Spear
buff MGL32 (just make it explode on direct contact w/ enemies, too)
buff FCAR's damage (it's currently less DPS than AKM... why?)
buff/rework Riot Shield
buff/rework Dual Blades (or just let the attacking and deflecting animations cancel each other more smoothly...)
reduce cooldown on damaged Mesh Shield from 8s to 4s (or remove it entirely)
nerf Charge 'n' Slam's damage
buff 93R (you don't have to touch the damage to buff it)
buff XP-54's damage (from 16 to 17 seems fair?)
make the Recurve Bow stop shaking the camera back and forth and changing the FoV when firing. or at least make these options.
remove the projectile gimmick on the SR-84 and just make it hitscan again. literally every other gun is more consistent than it.
buff Explosive Mine damage to at least 125.
nerf Defib (make the holograms destroyable, either by damage or by glitch effects)
change invisibility to be true invisibility (instead of this pseudo-invisibility that you can still actually see), then nerf it in other areas (like sound, duration, giving you a damage nerf when you've just come out of cloak, or even making it straight-up visible when close to people). at best, this "hard to see" shit is a crutch for noobs that only works against noobs, and it's an accessibility issue at worst.
add full-auto as an option to every weapon so you don't have to repeatedly click. you already have buffering.
stop making World Tour the only gamemode. reduce the grind or make other modes award Win Points (even if not as many).
let us see enemy specializations outside of the intro cutscene.
🥚🔨

[edgy urchin]

can yall update ur anticheat?
playing in a lobby with a light thats aimbotting, and if u shoot them they just teleport away
games unplayable

[pliant glade]

It's insane to me the model is STILL the same. wtf is going on here

[dark niche]

wtf r these cheaters bro, console is so fucked with pc cheaters, just give consoles, console only matchmaking not this stupid shitty crossplay off bs, cuz it doesnt work, im getting shot through my mesh shield, and headshots only by that light DMR.

[rough storm]

Soooooo... when are we changing the name to 'The models'?

[solemn sedge]

Make solo queue not ass

[fleet socket]

Could we get a weapon mastery starting at level 10?
Level 10 - bronze badge
Level 12 - Silver badge
14 - gold badge
16 - plat badge
18 - diamond badge
20 - amethyst badge + skin
Also could give us 5 challenges to do after hitting level 10 with the same rewards

[mossy cape]

revert the v9s

[smoky sluice]

remove kyoto

[restive dagger]

So true lol

[tulip steppe]

S5 wishlist

1. Weapons
   Buff FCAR dmg, buff KS23 spread, buff revolver, revert XP54 (S2), buff pike, nerf deagles (either range or fire rate), remove katana, remove spear, remove MGL32 , remove CL40, remove dagger, nerf M11.

2. Specializations & Gadgets
   Buff pyro nades, reduce gas radius, nerf stun gun, reduce demat cooldown, reduce turret cooldown, remove mesh shield cooldown…make it spammable like before but lower hp from 750 to 400, nerf charge n slam dmg, 1 smoke nade.

And please embark it’s time for a Famas diamond skin. Thank you✌🏽

[oak kernel]

Defibs need a rework or a heavy nerf. I shouldn't feel like I HAVE to take it. It's just goofy how obviously powerful it is. Nothing else in the game is like it atm. RPG was at one point.

Like seriously, it's been an issue since closed beta testing. Get it together man . I serious do NOT understand what this dev teams obssession with leaving very obviously broken shit in the game in. Like, it IS NOT FUN to feel like you have to run something. Add some more depth to it or something man.

[wide void]

fix the audio bugs. sometimes gunfire is just completely silent.
fix the stupid spawns. wiped teams spawn right on top of cashouts.
let us to turn off TAA in the options.
nerf Model 1887's damage (to less than 125 -- nerf damage on only the outer 4 pellets to achieve 124)
buff CL-40's damage (at least 105) and lower the self damage (at least 105)
buff KS-23's damage (at least 104)
buff/rework Spear
buff MGL32 (just make it explode on direct contact w/ enemies, too)
buff FCAR's damage (it's currently less DPS than AKM... why?)
buff/rework Riot Shield
buff/rework Dual Blades (or just let the attacking and deflecting animations cancel each other more smoothly...)
reduce cooldown on damaged Mesh Shield from 8s to 4s (or remove it entirely)
nerf Charge 'n' Slam's damage
buff 93R (you don't have to touch the damage to buff it)
buff XP-54's damage (from 16 to 17 seems fair?)
make the Recurve Bow stop shaking the camera back and forth and changing the FoV when firing. or at least make these options.
remove the projectile gimmick on the SR-84 and just make it hitscan again. literally every other gun is more consistent than it.
buff Explosive Mine damage to at least 125.
nerf Defib (make the holograms destroyable, either by damage or by glitch effects)
change invisibility to be true invisibility (instead of this pseudo-invisibility that you can still actually see), then nerf it in other areas (like sound, duration, giving you a damage nerf when you've just come out of cloak, or even making it straight-up visible when close to people). at best, this "hard to see" shit is a crutch for noobs that only works against noobs, and it's an accessibility issue at worst.
add full-auto as an option to every weapon so you don't have to repeatedly click. you already have buffering.
stop making World Tour the only gamemode. reduce the grind or make other modes reward Win Points (even if not as many).
let us see enemy specializations outside of the intro cutscene.
🥚🔨

[edgy urchin]

balance lights they are a joke to the game

[fleet socket]

No offense but how do you buff spread for a gun that shoots slug rounds? (KS23)

[fading flame]

NERF MEDIUM DAMAGE, BUFF MEDIUM SUPPORT. IT’S SO STUPID HOW YOU THINK THAT THE SUPPORT CLASS SHOULD DEAL MORE DAMAGE THAN THE DAMAGE CLASS

[drifting pawn]

Would you all please look into fixing the leaver penalty? My friend and I just queued into our first match of the night (WT). We had no third teammate and the Leave Game option said we would not be penalized, but lo and behold here we are waiting for a 10 minute penalty to end. What's worse is it looks like it only gave him the penalty and not me, because I left the party to check and confirmed.

[sonic spoke]

give some attention ot the explloiting nd hacking nreerf the shit out of dash it is soooo exploited

[foggy cliff]

i dont think they read this 💀

[fiery solar]

People want to play the game not suffer ranked bullshit. Lights outside of ranked are overpowered as hell as what started as a glass cannon class was magically tuned into raider class (who last I recall was supposed to kind of be medium given a higher health propensity and the many, many underhanded tricks like mines). Lights need a nerf and a rethinking of what the hell role they have, as the current role makes them overpowered and drives people away from the game before they encounter ranked. And don't get me started on ranked because good fucking luck if you are a normal person who does not have a dedicated group to queue with as they don't bloody well separate the solos vs queued up groups. The whole thing is a mess.

[mellow geyser]

M&K and controller are two completely different games. Very unwise to combine.

[quartz dirge]

Light in casual vs light in ranked are two completely different spheres
Light thrives in casual lobbies because it’s super easy to kill one person, regen and move onto the next person because everyone is braindead and can’t kill you
Light sucks in ranked because it dies super duper easily and quickly
Hard to balance a squishy class with high dps for two completely different types of playstyle

[narrow osprey]

an option for black screen instead of white for flash bangs would be nice

[obsidian ginkgo]

Add option for separate solo ranked queue, its just horrible experience to play against 3 stacked team especially in platinum constantly metting ruby

[shadow helm]

game resets all of my cosmetics for my equipment after every game, please fix.

[hidden geyser]

In the next season, please show the emerald rewards at the beginning of the season

[fluid hamlet]

ngl there should be gun skins that are literally just the untextured weapons, that might look kinda cool

[cold bolt]

please fix spawns, the flow of matches is so bad now, why do I have to fight 4 waves of 2 teams while the other team gets theirs for free

it's not even that these teams are purposely going for us, the game is literally spawning them ON US

extra insult to injury when said team getting it for free is the seed 1

[jagged vector]

When you load in to a wt with only 2 players in the match don’t give a ban for leaving cause it’s not like we would win anyway

[gritty umbra]

its crazy how useless sbmm is in ranked, why even have a rank system if your're gonna match whoever at whatever rank. its a functionally useless system that has 0 reflection of actual skill

[neon burrow]

I will send toe pics for whatever dev asks if yall nerf the model next patch

[radiant reef]

Regarding saving outfits, please make sure it also saves weapon skins, expressions and such! They are also very important to individual outfits.

[midnight aurora]

auto shotgun is basically useless in its current form make it better

[wide void]

fix the audio bugs. sometimes gunfire is just completely silent.
fix the stupid spawns. wiped teams spawn right on top of cashouts.
let us to turn off TAA in the options.
nerf Model 1887's damage (to less than 125 -- nerf damage on only the outer 4 pellets to achieve 124)
buff CL-40's damage (at least 105) and lower the self damage (at least 105)
buff KS-23's damage (at least 104)
buff/rework Spear
buff MGL32 (just make it explode on direct contact w/ enemies, too)
buff FCAR's damage (it's currently less DPS than AKM... why?)
buff/rework Riot Shield
buff/rework Dual Blades (or just let the attacking and deflecting animations cancel each other more smoothly...)
reduce cooldown on damaged Mesh Shield from 8s to 4s (or remove it entirely)
nerf Charge 'n' Slam's damage
buff 93R (you don't have to touch the damage to buff it)
buff XP-54's damage (from 16 to 17 seems fair?)
make the Recurve Bow stop shaking the camera back and forth and changing the FoV when firing. or at least make these options.
remove the projectile gimmick on the SR-84 and just make it hitscan again. literally every other gun is more consistent than it.
buff Explosive Mine damage to at least 125.
nerf Defib (make the holograms destroyable, either by damage or by glitch effects)
change invisibility to be true invisibility (instead of this pseudo-invisibility that you can still actually see), then nerf it in other areas (like sound, duration, giving you a damage nerf when you've just come out of cloak, or even making it straight-up visible when close to people). at best, this "hard to see" shit is a crutch for noobs that only works against noobs, and it's an accessibility issue at worst.
add full-auto as an option to every weapon so you don't have to repeatedly click. you already have buffering.
stop making World Tour the only gamemode. reduce the grind or make other modes reward Win Points (even if not as many).
let us see enemy specializations outside of the intro cutscene.
🥚🔨

[fiery solar]

Then frankly lights need to be rebalanced and rethought from ground up to fit the original glass cannon/backliner/pickoff role. When MP5 can be used at great ranges rivaling the AK (at least IMO), when you got the best melee (yes, don't even start trying to complain that something wasn't great, sword and dash or dagger and dash is bollocks) and frankly some of the best proper ranged weapons. Yes, light needs a retooling. Ranked shouldn't be the first and foremost thing they balance around.

[granite vector]

add a randomize teams function in private matches pls

[terse oxide]

Please increase the amount of reward given by powershift. The mode gets screwed over by fans, money making contracts, and xp. No other mode gives partial rewards and winning $1,000 because your team won a clutch overtime is a big feel bad

[lost talon]

pyro direct hit should really do more damage

[versed hazel]

delete kyoto please, it really ruins the game.

[cold bolt]

add a bajillion jump pads to kyoto and ppl wont hate it as much

[grand adder]

Add a 50.cal sniper for the heavy class

[dry kiln]

whats up with the long que times

[vale acorn]

Offer handicap bonuses for teams which suddenly find themselves with one less player- Faster respawns, hp bonuses, movement speed bonuses even

[midnight aurora]

give the gravity cube a normal throwing arc

[echo shadow]

Yappfest

[real prawn]

fix the spawns

[versed cloud]

Sword hitbox feels incorrect with the alignment of the blade at times after the nerf

[frank holly]

fix the audio bugs. sometimes gunfire is just completely silent.
fix the spawns. wiped teams spawn right on top of cashouts.
nerf Model 1887's damage (to less than 125 -- nerf damage on only the outer 4 pellets to achieve 124)
buff KS-23's damage (at least 104)
buff/rework Spear
buff MGL32 (just make it explode on direct contact w/ enemies, too)
buff FCAR's damage (it's currently less DPS than AKM... why?)
buff/rework Riot Shield
buff/rework Dual Blades (or just let the attacking and deflecting animations cancel each other more smoothly...)
nerf Charge 'n' Slam's damage
buff 93R (you don't have to touch the damage to buff it)
buff XP-54's damage (from 16 to 17 seems fair?)
make the Recurve Bow stop shaking the camera back and forth and changing the FoV when firing. or at least make these options.
remove the projectile gimmick on the SR-84 and just make it hitscan again. literally every other gun is more consistent than it.
nerf Defib (make the holograms destroyable, either by damage or by glitch effects)
add full-auto as an option to every weapon so you don't have to repeatedly click. you already have buffering.
stop making World Tour the only gamemode. reduce the grind or make other modes award Win Points (even if not as many).
let us see enemy specializations outside of the intro cutscene.

[solemn sedge]

That has happened to me every match for the last 2 months. Glad to know other people are having the same problem.
PLEASE FIX EMBARK

[topaz roost]

i really want a game mode with fixed classes. like a sniper and hook only game mode or bow only powershift. and have challenges for the game mode to unlock like a sniper skin for play the sniper only free for all. there should be more limited time fun game modes

[mild veldt]

Embark please! Buff the exp gain!! Or just give more quests to complete!!

[hearty bough]

can we please address the insane damage on charge n slam? The fact that you can land 140dmg twice, plus the damage from the slam, and it recharges in 12 seconds is obnoxious even just on paper

[sharp bolt]

fix the audio bugs. sometimes gunfire is just completely silent.
fix the stupid spawns. wiped teams spawn right on top of cashouts.
let us to turn off TAA in the options.
nerf Model 1887's damage (to less than 125 -- nerf damage on only the outer 4 pellets to achieve 124)
buff CL-40's damage (at least 105) and lower the self damage (at least 105)
buff KS-23's damage (at least 104)
buff/rework Spear
buff MGL32 (just make it explode on direct contact w/ enemies, too)
buff FCAR's damage (it's currently less DPS than AKM... why?)
buff/rework Riot Shield
buff/rework Dual Blades (or just let the attacking and deflecting animations cancel each other more smoothly...)
reduce cooldown on damaged Mesh Shield from 8s to 4s (or remove it entirely)
nerf Charge 'n' Slam's damage
buff 93R (you don't have to touch the damage to buff it)
buff XP-54's damage (from 16 to 17 seems fair?)
make the Recurve Bow stop shaking the camera back and forth and changing the FoV when firing. or at least make these options.
remove the projectile gimmick on the SR-84 and just make it hitscan again. literally every other gun is more consistent than it.
buff Explosive Mine damage to at least 125.
nerf Defib (make the holograms destroyable, either by damage or by glitch effects)
change invisibility to be true invisibility (instead of this pseudo-invisibility that you can still actually see), then nerf it in other areas (like sound, duration, giving you a damage nerf when you've just come out of cloak, or even making it straight-up visible when close to people). at best, this "hard to see" shit is a crutch for noobs that only works against noobs, and it's an accessibility issue at worst.
add full-auto as an option to every weapon so you don't have to repeatedly click. you already have buffering.
stop making World Tour the only gamemode. reduce the grind or make other modes reward Win Points (even if not as many).
let us see enemy specializations outside of the intro cutscene.

[clear glacier]

Allow us to pick what guns we want emerald/ruby/diamond etc. Use a coin/point system kind of like OW. I don't want to have to wait 500 season for the weapon I want to come back in rotation, especially since each season is months long.

[jagged vector]

Genuine question do you guys think this game is growing or do you think it’s dying?

[smoky sluice]

remove kyoto

@hexed frigate theres no sbmm in worldtour 🙂

[placid obsidian]

Day 9 of asking for native kbm support for console users. you can make it to where it only works on crossplay. 🙂

[hexed frigate]

The SBMM is to hard in world tour, every match it feels like a FINAL of a world cup, everyone using meta, full medium with model lobbies, heavy has the "win figaht button" (the slam) and light is useless. I get very exhausted after 3 matches, and is not funny anymore. This gives me some COD vibes with the SBMM issue

[blissful juniper]

Beginner protected lobbies, sick of being a level 7 playing against level 70s who have stungun, sword, cloaking, vanishing, all that stupid stuff they can use

[mental quail]

I wish there was a dummy cashout station in the training area, so I can practice moving it around! Might be a niche thing to practice, but hey it's a strategy! XD

[sharp bolt]

It has around 15k daily players , that's good . It'll stick around

[jagged vector]

15k isn’t much tho and I think that number will go down quite a bit in the next few months

[smoky sluice]

remove kyoto

[quick coyote]

I think biggest issue in ranked currently is losing points when you are the ONLY person in team, both teammates didn't even connect to the lobby... and I still get punished by losing 1000+ points

it happens so often, either 1 or both teammates don't connect or leave in 1st minute of the match...

[rocky plover]

End the match immediately in Ranked if there's Zero chance for the last 2 teams to catch up.

Just wasting everyones fucking time, on top of the 1000 points off a triple Medium Ruby stack against all platinums

[raw summit]

Increase ranked points rewarded/Decrease ranked points lost for teams down a player. It can be set to only count if a player disconnects during the first minute or two of round 1 to prevent abuse of the system. It just feels bad man to make it to the finals as 2 players with no 3rd cuz the game literally didn't connect someone and get 300 points. Telling me I had to play twice as hard to get the same points? On the flip side it sucks when you get rolled and are first seed and just have to watch as you lose 1,500 points.

[lost talon]

do not add vanilla TDM you will regret it, noshahr 1000 tickets running around in a circle like a mindless animal looking for kills and nothing else with instant respawn is not good for the game if it takes players away from power shift and shifts the tone of the playerbase. We need another [5v5 infinite respawn objective mode] for solo queue instead or at the very least inject gunmaster/scavenger into the TDM where you pick up full loadouts including classes which might expose people to new builds

[wooden atlas]

As a level 65-ish I agree completely. I honestly feel sorry for low-level players who get stuck in the sweat lobbies that I have to face

[harsh pulsar]

If someone leaves a normal game, they should face penalties, but maybe because this worthless small company only cares about employee benefits, they can’t seem to fix the disconnect issues, nor do they enforce penalties for leaving normal games. For example, in Power Shift mode, if they lose the first fight, they all just leave in droves. But they face no penalties. They just keep leaving and rejoining until they win. I've been watching this nonsense ever since the official release.

[unborn garnet]

They removed recon senses back in the release of season 2, due to it being overpowered and will be seen again once reworked (If this will still happen). I wonder why Embark hasn't taken the time to apply the same methods to reworking the heal beam.

Heal station would be an interesting rework
Heal Pistol/Syringe sounds interesting, however, that will promote more selfish aggressive mediums if it were to allow self-heal. If they didn't allow self heal, I think a Heal Pistol/ Syringe would be a good direction to go in.

The healing beam we have now is an interesting concept to support your team, but restricting the triple stacking would be a good benefit if it were to stay the same way it is now.

[lyric whale]

cl40 mgl and riot shouldnt be buffed. If somethings annoying to fight against it shouldnt be as viable. If i lose a fight it should be bc i got outplayed not nade spammed. Riot sheild can just get annoying bc people mostly use it in quick cash and play like pussies with it while im trying to have fun. Sniper nerf was a result of it being a pain in the ass in power shift bc people didnt play for fun they sat in spawn and were annoying. Mines shouldnt be buffed for the same reason. Having a random 125 or more would just not be fun to fight against and therfore shouldnt be as good. Invis doesnt need a change its in a good state, top lights primarily use it. Spear alt fire needs hit reg fixing as its just worse than the primary. Dual swords i dont mind where they are they are fun but not really good and thats fine. If they were better it would get annoying to fight just like light sword. Defib needs a change but idk if being able to cancel it by shooting it would be the right approach. Glitching would be fine but i think a team wide cooldown or combining it with heal beam would be better. My idea would be u use heal beam to defib res but it overheats immediately. I think overall most things are in a good state and once the model is nerfed down guns will be in a good state of balance with a few things needing buff (93r xp-54)

[waxen grove]

Its almost end of the season and still zero limited time events. heavy only solo cash out was so fun. They could have done free for all powershift with smaller platforme and smaller areas to reach i don't know something that would keep the fun in the game

[wooden atlas]

Agreed, more special modes please Embark. Those are some of my favorite memories from S1 and 2

[worn tapir]

Add skill based matchmaking in the next update! Still getting emeralds in my lobbies as a bronze

[midnight aurora]

when are they finally going to nerf the m11 its too easy to kill with it

[lost talon]

those emeralds are also shitters dont worry about them, get some friends with synergy and you'll stomp them

[oak swift]

i feel like a crystal skin for the dagger would be pretty cool ngl and also there could be a sharpened candy cane skin for christmas

[tall wave]

Please fix Xbox contestant switching bug

[modern elbow]

Buff throwing knives damage

[half briar]

Yes, instead of throwing knives that are unlimited and never need reloading, unlike every other projectile weapon, can you make the throwing knives throw more and more knives, faster and faster, the more you spam? Maybe every time a throwing knife hits an enemy, the enemy loses bullets in their gun.

[onyx crystal]

they did that and everyone revolted

[coral axle]

not being Nominated must sting, welp time to clock in on a dying, but vocal playerbase

[craggy nova]

Yeah, they should rework heal beam.. like a specific area where you can get heals for a few seconds, which anyone can use it, even enemies.

[tropic snow]

more frequent ban waves

[delicate basin]

Maybe instead of nerf healbeam, buff a counter to it. For example: Make tracking dart also glitch people. Now you can glitch their healer from a distance. This has the cool side-effect that it might make light viable.
Also healbeam is fine. Demat is way more OP right now

[turbid mortar]

Fix performance on monaco and kyoto that shit is running at sub 30 on a pc I built last year

[thorny lynx]

Is there anyway we can get the garbage SPAM comments that are literally cut and paste BS that these weirdos keep wasting our time with ERASED, get there acct timed or something? It is annoying enough to see the 12 year olds that played one season complaining, but every third comment is some cut and paste waste?

[muted jungle]

Just got stuck in an infinite Charge and Slam animation. I was falling between somne rubble and got pinned while running. Couldn't move or switch weapons or anything. Forced teammate to coin and break the terrain. We lost. :c

[sharp bolt]

People yelling and arguing into a black void here lol

[broken citrus]

Buff defibrillator to instant revive with full health but two minutes cooldown 👍

[nocturne trench]

Please retroactively add the diamond player card background and diamond clavicle badge for people that got diamond in Season 2

[fervent coral]

GET RID OF THE FUCKING EVASIVE DASH

[lost talon]

world tour works perfectly as it is, as good as it can be

[craggy nova]

If your team doesn’t have healers, and your up against 3 or 2 healers. It’s over there is no counter to it. Since player can’t switch specialisation mid round.

[quick lichen]

I would love to see a test weekend or new play mode where there is a limit to 2 of any class on a team (standard cashout rules otherwise). Would be fun to see how that affects metas and strats.

[wide void]

"don't make these irrelevant weapons better because i don't like them" well, play a different game?
"sniper nerf was a result of it being a pain in the ass in power shift" okay so maybe they should fix the one gamemode where it was strong or nerf the damage at a range instead of adding the stupid projectile gimmick that literally nobody likes
"don't make explosive mines relevant again because i don't like them" again, why the hell are you playing a game with many kinds of mines then? one of the many reasons MMM is as strong as it is right now because 2 mines can't spell their death anymore. 140->120 didn't help Lights, just Mediums (and Heavies)
and uh, are you suggesting merging defib into heal beam? that's just going to make the other two specializations irrelevant (except having maybe one demat)

[wise flame]

Customization should let us make weapons and clothing seperately and have an option to apply them to multiple classes so i don't have to keep going into each class seperately.

[dense ocean]

day 64 asking embark
let console players able/disable HUD

[acoustic coyote]

Not fair, rules were not clear in the TheFinalsRunway! 😡 I got disqualified for my Mirrors edge inspired outfit. If I knew it had to be completely original I would have posted other outfits.

[carmine token]

Sounds like an excuse, really (not from you, from the organizers, assuming that was the reasoning), considering that two of the nominees are inspired by the Terminator and Cyberpunk. Honestly the whole thing has been a disaster.

[south viper]

FCAR needs some sort of identity back, it is literally just a worse AK.

[wide void]

fix the audio bugs. sometimes gunfire is just completely silent.
fix the stupid spawns. wiped teams spawn right on top of cashouts.
let us to turn off TAA in the options.
nerf Model 1887's damage (to less than 125 -- nerf damage on only the outer 4 pellets to achieve 124)
buff CL-40's damage (at least 105) and lower the self damage (at least 105)
buff KS-23's damage (at least 104)
buff/rework Spear
buff MGL32 (just make it explode on direct contact w/ enemies, too)
buff FCAR's damage (it's currently less DPS than AKM... why?)
buff/rework Riot Shield
buff/rework Dual Blades (or just let the attacking and deflecting animations cancel each other more smoothly...)
reduce cooldown on damaged Mesh Shield from 8s to 4s (or remove it entirely)
nerf Charge 'n' Slam's damage
buff 93R (you don't have to touch the damage to buff it)
buff XP-54's damage (from 16 to 17 seems fair?)
make the Recurve Bow stop shaking the camera back and forth and changing the FoV when firing. or at least make these options.
remove the projectile gimmick on the SR-84 and just make it hitscan again. literally every other gun is more consistent than it.
buff Explosive Mine damage to at least 125.
nerf Defib (make the holograms destroyable, either by damage or by glitch effects)
change invisibility to be true invisibility (instead of this pseudo-invisibility that you can still actually see), then nerf it in other areas (like sound, duration, giving you a damage nerf when you've just come out of cloak, or even making it straight-up visible when close to people). at best, this "hard to see" shit is a crutch for noobs that only works against noobs, and it's an accessibility issue at worst.
add full-auto as an option to every weapon so you don't have to repeatedly click. you already have buffering.
stop making World Tour the only gamemode. reduce the grind or make other modes reward Win Points (even if not as many).
let us see enemy specializations outside of the intro cutscene.
🥚🔨

[modern bramble]

The finals is so damn fun. Keep it up!

[heavy ermine]

Feel like could add a tdm game mode like first to 50 or first to 30 would fit quite well in the game

[trim crown]

😄 😄 😄 😄

[opal swallow]

So what you are saying is:
Embark, please make it easy to kill people with more combo, so there will be no more long fighting, just 20sec of trying to get a on-tap-combo.

PS: I hope all the explosive-damage buffs were a joke from you. I don’t want to be back in the CL-40 and mines Meta.

[thick sorrel]

The Finals Models Patch Notes 4.5.0 4.6.0 4.7.0 4.8.0

We couldn't balance 3 Classes and their Weapons. So we went this Season for MMM - Medium Model Meta.

Model 1887

• Sniper Scope added
• ACOG (4x) added
  Dev Note: We nudge the effective range, so... it still 2 shots Lights at 15m😂
  **Real Fix: 2-Shots Lights and 3-Shots Heavys, but not above 10m! - e.g. 117 Dmg+more Spread **

Defibrillator

• Increase Charge from 1 to Two and a Half😩
  Dev Note: Defibrillated Medium's can instantly use their own Defibrillator. Obviously it's not Alan enough.

Akimbo Deagles

• Reworked: Shoots now explosive Rounds
  Dev Note: The midrange accuracy was way less oppressive than intended, so we added AoE to improve it.

Charge & Slam

• Renamed to Flash & Hulk
  Dev Note: We thought it fits the lightning-fast sprint activation and the damage level of Hulk Smash - usually used after RPG for a free kill.

Dual Blades

• Decreased Blades from 2 to 1
  Dev Note: There's only one Blade. There's only ever gonna be one Blade.

[wide void]

if you paid attention, you'd notice I suggested damage nerfs to Model, which currently 2-shots M and 3-shots H, and CnS, which currently does twenty million damage to everyone in a 5 mile radius. if you paid further attention, you'd notice that I only suggested buffing the damage for options that are completely obsoleted and used by almost nobody, and they were ALL options that previously did more damage before they were nerfed to irrelevance.

i also suggested buffing items that strictly slow down the pace of combat, like Mesh Shield and Medium's defensive melees.

and no, CL-40 was never meta, even when it did 117 damage. because it's a dodgeable projectile with self-damage and a slower TTK than all the other M guns. and no, explosive mines were never meta, they were just acceptably usable. it's pretty hard for a stationary trap that can be disarmed simply by being shot to be so strong that you must always pick it or must always counterpick it... lol...

[rigid vessel]

i have 30%less fps today compare to yesteday and before,cpu bottleneck,its really weird there werent even a patch today,is it just me or?

[lost talon]

I have 30% more fps

[quaint ember]

Punish boosters, fix anti cheat. It is insane someone can get banned, make a new account and be back in ranked in 1-2 days. Fucking make it two weeks before a new account goes into ranked, the problem is massive!

[faint saddle]

Agree with almost everything but the invisiblity,

i do get shot out of invis quite alot as i am a vanish bomb user since day 1 but making it true invis would be too strong imo, let alone for me who plays dagger. Make it less pysodo invis,

There was a visibility patch some time ago

[dreamy ore]

Medium double sword need a buff. I really like this concept for a weapon but is a huge disadvantage st it current state.

They really need to rework the concept. The blocking is quite inconsistent. The blocking area should be 180 degrees front , the attack should be cancelable with block or at least the double swing should be less spaced. Or maybe blocking while running should be consider.

[broken rover]

World Tour needs some changes

Make the reward system as in the Ranked. Team in the 7-8 place get nothing, the 5-6 place get 2 poinst for trying, team 3-4 gets 8 poinst becouse 6 poins is not enough when we have total 2400 points, team on the second place gets 18 and first place gets 28 points.

I think it's more fair considering how much time it takes to win the tournament and win the rounds.

Also RPG needs at least 110 or 115 damage. 1 RPG rocket can kill 8 people irl come on

[wide void]

I understand your concern, but I promise you that true invis can be balanced -- not only by what I already suggested, but also by

making it so you can't attack for a moment when uncloaking
making it so you can't heal while cloaked
making it so you take more damage when cloaked
...and many other possible trade-offs.

Team Fortress 2 and Overwatch are living proof that true invis can be balanced

[runic shale]

I think we need to have an update to the game that stops the a game bug that resets our emotes/sprays/sounds because literally everytime I log in at least one character is reset. Now I got in today and every character emote/spray/sounds have been wiped out. Now i have to redo it all over again. Very tedious.

[merry prism]

Just want to say, I love all the cosmetics in this game! They're amazing! Keep up the amazing work!!!!!

[unique kelp]

Guys can you remove Kyoto?

[tulip steppe]

Typical light player.

[wraith orchid]

sniper needs for sure some of its range back

[pure ore]

game is out for 4 seasons. Devs still cant figure out a working spawn system

[faint saddle]

Lmao are you 13?

Also,

Model is a skill weapon, it needs minor tweaks
Defib indeed needs tweaks

NOBODY wants a sniper in this game,
Its called dual blades, and nobody wants to fight them aswell,
Sword is way too strong lmao
Bro said sniper twice
93R needs ammo buff,
Bow is on the edge of beeing too strong

[rugged sigil]

am i insane or are servers down? i'm in matchmaking for world tour for 10 minutes and nothing

[surreal meadow]

and so it begins

a race to the bottom

embark would never rebuff something, only nerf. were going to have a spitball fight in a few more seasons

[plush fjord]

yeah idk how theyre gonna nerf the beam anymore. just buff glitch mines and stuff.

also HOW is demat even op? its completely fine. and its not even that harmful bcz the main thing u use it to is to bring cashouts to other floors or rooms.
and idk abt anyone else, but when i use demat and press r2 (console player) it either doesnt work or does it a bit slowly. prevents me from using it during fights much.

also if ur talking abt the jump pad demat trick to launch the cashout into the air, yea thats kind of powerful and its more of a glitch.
but also real fun to use ig. maybe just fix up that glitch where the jump pad has to launch ON TOP of the cashout to move it, cuz yea it def unfair

[delicate basin]

Demat isn't really that op tbh, but right now it does so much more for your team than healbeam

[tulip steppe]

@faint saddle Exactly! People act like model takes no skill and everyone that uses it gets 20+ kills every game. I'd say maybe another range nerf but leave the dmg alone. As for the defib, maybe a longer cool down or a slightly longer animation idk.

@surreal meadow you're not wrong brother. It's nerf after nerf. Quick cash light players are the ones balancing this game. Sad asf

[prisma plaza]

RandomZipline#1280 blatant cheating

[lost talon]

put a captcha on this section that forces people to solve a complex integral

[tired fable]

Hello Embark, check my suggestions

Soundtracks : let us choose all your fabulous OST music pack like apex, buff your menus option
Items shop : leave us possibility to test your shop' skins , shooting, animations, emojing...
group : make possibility to join

Preset loadout/skin : can we save some preset loadout and skin plz?
random skin : It would be cool to have a random selection of favorite skins for our weapon like apex
Shooting range : need more option, add dmg range, %accuracy, spread informations, targetCPU presets, possibility to choose different types of building and reset destructions, invite friend to shooting range and put friendly fire option
Ranked : make no penalty point real when loose ranked with incomplete team

Heavy : -1 or -2sec HP recovery
Light : 150 to 175hp, +1 or +2sec HP recovery
Melee Weapon : give a buff for this weapon class idk a passive maybe ? (ex: better HP recovery ? %damage reduction ?)

Dagger : make chargestab work like throwing knife
93R : buff it
XP54 : buff mid-long efficiency
DualSword : need a big buff. deflect need more accuracy and better radius, globally I think about better Left click... faster attck, cancellable easier with deflect, idk...
Dematerializer : why closing hole leave always a small space to a guy to come to kill me ? do something about this
Turret : reduce cooldowns. Turret isn't a threat, the most useless M gadget
R.357 : please reduce damage falloff or give faster reload or better hipfire accuracy idk
Explosive mine : buff CD or revert to 2 mines, currently useless next to grenades
FCAR : buff recoil or reload speed
Mesh Shield : it sucks now, completely useless, revert nerf
M60 : reduce mid/long range damage falloff or recoil
KS23 : buff firerate and slightly reload speed
Spear : secondary attck need something... better hitbox ? easier cancellable ? rework ?

[rough herald]

oi can you rework cl40 so it dosn't have such an annoying downside while keeping it weak?
the 1.6 is so annoying one miss place shot that hit the cover im using and im dead

make it a utility weapon that do extra damage to deployable and long fire rate or something, balancing a blast gun with self damage is like balancing an lmg with really hard to control recoil OH WAIT A MINUET
so stupid

[tall wave]

An option to see the results from your last played game would be nice

[buoyant mural]

Absolutely clueless 🤣🤣 light is viable already and de mat is far from op guys like you ruin games man honestly shut up

[hollow iron]

W ranked system, glad we are getting equal match ups 😌

[faint saddle]

MY OPINION on this take

Soundtracks : let us choose all your fabulous OST music pack like apex, buff your menus option

• Very nice
  Items shop : leave us possibility to test your shop' skins , shooting, animations, emojing...
• Good
  group : make possibility to join
• The overall system good get a better UI

Preset loadout/skin : can we save some preset loadout and skin plz?

• Needed asap
  random skin : It would be cool to have a random selection of favorite skins for our weapon like apex
  Shooting range : need more option, add dmg range, %accuracy, spread informations, targetCPU presets, possibility to choose different types of building and reset destructions, invite friend to shooting range and put friendly fire option
  Ranked : make no penalty point real when loose ranked with incomplete team

Heavy : -1 or -2sec HP recovery

• Max -1
  Light : 150 to 175hp, +1 or +2sec HP recovery
• DEFINETLY NOT and i am saying this as a dagger onetrick
  Melee Weapon : give a buff for this weapon class idk a passive maybe ? (ex: better HP recovery ? %damage reduction ?)'
• No.

Dagger : make chargestab work like throwing knife

• It requires more than that for it to be viable in high rank.
  93R : buff it
• Needs better hipfire and ammo
  XP54 : buff mid-long efficiency
• Litterly mid range MP
  DualSword : need a big buff. deflect need more accuracy and better radius, globally I think about better Left click... faster attck, cancellable easier with deflect, idk...
• It has so many inconsistencys and bugs, needs alot of fixing (i have played them alot)h
  Dematerializer : why closing hole leave always a small space to a guy to come to kill me ? do something about this
• You can litterly choose what to demat, begin with a small hole
  Turret : reduce cooldowns. Turret isn't a threat, the most useless M gadget
• Turret Isnt a threat but an alarm system and if placed well can be obnoxius
  R.357 : please reduce damage falloff or give faster reload or better hipfire accuracy idk
• true
  Explosive mine : buff CD or revert to 2 mines, currently useless next to grenades
• Nades need a minor cooldown nerf getting oneshot by mines was bs
  FCAR : buff recoil or reload speed
• Buff dmg by 1 for better dps
  Mesh Shield : it sucks now, completely useless, revert nerf
• Its not for the heavy its for the team
  M60 : reduce mid/long range damage falloff or recoil
• M60 is not a long range weapon, its in a good spot
  KS23 : buff firerate and slightly reload speed
• Slightly on the reload speed
  Spear : secondary attck need something... better hitbox ? easier cancellable ? rework ?
• Spear needs some work

[cosmic narwhal]

day 15 of asking for a ready up button

[hasty oriole]

Gave up on ranked. It's completely dependent on matchmaking giving you decent teammates. I'm gonna stick to world tour until personal performance is taken into account. Be back in season 5!

[nocturne fern]

this has the right idea but idk about having more glitches, kinda annoying at the moment

[fleet panther]

Please retroactively add the Ruby player card background and Ruby clavicle badge for people that got ruby in Season 3

[deft kindle]

Please stop notificating when players who have sent a friend request logging in or out, I didnt accept the request for a reason.

[tired fable]

dagger : just make this will make happy all mains, I haven't other ideas for the weapon

Mine : since I wonder if I have been killed one time by ExplsMine (of course i joke but not far of reality)

M60 : I'm not convince about that : hipfire is not good, to aim slow down movements too much for Heavy hitbox and TTK is mid tier

[hidden swan]

Friends list doesnt show new friends & always shows all players are offline ither than if they are my frnd on discord
.
but they often shows pop up on lobby as "xyz logged in" but doesnt show in the list

[shy token]

As we can all see, THE FINALS' community is deeply passionate when it comes to concept art and making drip. Earlier this year we saw the switch away from exclusive bundle pricing to individual items now being made available for purchase. This alone allowed a great amount of customisation and personalisation of the game. But @shy token is back this time to argue the case for community driven input.

By allowing the community to create fan-made concepts and outfits using available items, TF has allowed its community to creatively flourish. However, we think, and there are others who have considered this idea as well within the community, that new community made items should be given the chance to be official and in-game.

This would not be the first time that such a thing exists in the world of gaming. Warframe's 'TennoGen' is one of the best examples of having the community be involved in the creative process. This engagement's potential is virtually limitless and invaluable for the game's longevity and community. It can be further sustained by giving the creator(s) a chance to be awarded through a variety of ways, in combination or merely by themselves:
(a) recognition,
(b) in-game or IRL payment,
(c) but most importantly a free (perhaps personalised) version of the very same item that will be immortalised in the world of TF.
(DAY 85)

[mortal notch]

I genuinely hope arc raiders fails.
Nerf model
Fix spawns
Or just abandon this game fully and go work on arc raiders it already feels like you have 3 arms less trilobites working on this game
Also when is the balancing team getting back from holiday they’ve been away since November?

[night glen]

Why ... when the game is over and you are told your place, you hit escape and leave match, since it is over, you still get the warning about leaving/abandoning the match? It seems weird to put the notice that you will be penalized or lose all your progress when the match is over and it all counts. It should all count since you finished the game, but it shouldn't tell/warn you that you are abandoning the game.

[misty geyser]

Please improve anti cheat. Easy Anti Cheat does nothing.

[carmine ginkgo]

daily nerf model reminder

[burnt notch]

Also buff dome shield duration to 8 seconds, it’s not very fun/viable to use when it only lasts 5 seconds

[quick coyote]

something is seriously wrong with rank point deduction system. I was only supposed to lose -100rs for finishing 6th place but i ended up losing -767

[delicate basin]

Can someone come get their child?

[dusky apex]

servers highly unstable pingapocalypse

[soft valley]

https://tenor.com/view/the-finals-light-the-finals-light-gif-2971608258220595260

[teal flower]

I have ptsd from s3 please no more xp-45 for a while longer

[primal mantle]

How controlable is the M11 for some of the top tier players?

Without mentioning names, I ran into a ruby ranked player who was quite literally using it as a sniper rifle and not missing a shot.

For some context, he was hitting consistent headshots from the top of crane in Seoul (the not under construction variation) to the billboards and 1-clipping my teammates and me.

Now, there might be a way of controlling the gun to that point that I'm unaware of so if anyone could enlighten me, I'd appreciate it.

[hollow jacinth]

too many hackers

[mild veldt]

Also alot of subtle hackers, which you can't tell because there's no replay or killcam. So you sometimes kinda shoot in the dark and pray that you hit.

[nocturne trench]

Please retroactively add the diamond player card background and diamond clavicle badge for people that got diamond in Season 2

[keen lily]

servers are incredibly laggy today for EU, fix this unplayable shit please

[burnt notch]

If he was headshoting u from that far, he was likely hacking or something. M11 is easily controllable tho, u can beam ppl from up to 25m with it

[timid pagoda]

nerf lewis again?always a good nerf i guess🤔

[noble night]

The Win 30 rounds task is bugged, It doesnt count the win in the final round of World Tour.

[silver thicket]

most of them are using controllers not hacking.

[fervent vortex]

If u mean uni he’s not cheating, he has only aim and that’s about it, just prac the recoil

[glossy sun]

i came across a new bug where you can't open your scope for the rest of the round

[chrome river]

Is this how few people play this game? Just came back from many months of break to check on this otherwise creative and unique game and every single time I got paired with platinum players while I'm platinum 4 while in the enemy a full premade 2 diamond 1 ruby player. Who in their right mind came up with this matchmaking? What is the point of this? They won every single time, without exception, and it was not even close. This is a complete joke. And not even an option to opt out from this. They said the matchmaking is improved every season but I can't fathom how is it getting just worse and worse every time. The final example of backwards development.

[dusky apex]

hitreg is dogshit

[quaint forge]

Yea dude I play that thing now and it good where it is, people complain about it and are asking for a buff cuz they actually gotta land shots now in order to kill their targets

[nocturne trench]

Please retroactively add the diamond player card background and diamond clavicle badge for people that got diamond in Season 2

[wispy sand]

Revert Medium Turret nerfs, too much macro/micro managing required to use it properly now. Change heal beam back to starting medium spec as well because turret in a world of destruction is rarely useful with turret as is now. Too many ways to move cashout rendering turret placement next to useless or just a minor annoyance.

[dreamy sorrel]

Please do something about sword
its too broken and people just spam there dashes

[burnt notch]

It’s mainly just cuz a very small percentage of ranked players are actually plat or above (I think it’s less than 15%), much less those that are online at the same time, so it’s pretty common to go up against diamond or rubies as mid plat

@winged estuary THATS THE FINALS FOR YOU FOLKS

[obsidian sail]

When I hit “cancel” when matchmaking it means I DO NOT WANT TO BE PUT INTO A MATCH. This means that you should not pull the “quick! Throw him into the next available server!” That you very obviously do whenever somebody hits “cancel”. That button should be the “BIG RED BUTTON” that says “do not put this person in a server”. JFC

[lilac kite]

There is a cheating infestation, is embark planning to do anything about this? cause whats the point of balance anything when the game is infested with cheaters

[ionic spade]

Hello. Text chat feedback.

I have notices a lot more toxic players on both higher ranked/WT . I often don't want to join or hear what this player has to say, because is not very nice they way they are speaking to me, and really not any consktrive way of explain what i could do better.

I really hope to have a option to opt out of text chat like you can with voice. Even better i could be able to mute an player able to text chat in game. prefeed to have both.

I really try to reply with respect and be positive but it effects my relationship with how often I want to play. We all in the team have a goal that is to win. And i hope even when people flame me they get a good next game and hopefuly an better day.

thanks for reading

[red echo]

175 hp and even faster hp recovery when light alr has the fastest is mad , def a light main

[small flint]

am i the only one who is experiencing 3 heavies running around with grenade launcher and bombing everything to pieces, I can't be anywhere as a light! They litterally just spam bomb everything, is it just me or are they a bit broken atm?

[mortal notch]

Nerf model
Revert xp
Buff dash
Buff mesh
Nerf c&s

[sonic arrow]

We should be able to switch sights while changing our loadout mid-game

[obsidian ginkgo]

ranked dead, soloq dead, no sbmm at all, i got gold teammate against ruby, this game just fckin joke

[gilded dagger]

Has anyone mentioned that the battlepass is too grindy yet? Because it is. I made the mistake of buying it early now I feel like I'm forced to play hours and hours a day to finish. I defo won't be making that same mistake again

[hexed grove]

Nah man, turrets aren’t meant to single-handedly defend your cash out. They’re supposed to assist your team in combat by passively eating away at the health of an enemy, or deter immediately stealing a cash out since they need to break it or block its fire first. Allowing you time to return to the cash out and kill the team attempting to steal it since they’re focused now on the turret. Any time lost by avoiding the turret or destroying the turret gives your team a chance to get back in there.

Additionally, buffing the turret or med gun will just make the 3x medium meta even more disruptive to the game. Turret stacking is already something I see in half of the 3x medium teams, and the other half are stacking 2 med guns.

[odd plover]

You need to optimize the game loading speed and server.,I entered the game for the first time today for a whole fucking hour.,The second time I entered the game for a full half an hour.,It wasn't until the third time I entered the game that it was relatively acceptable.,10 minutes.,After going in, my guns and grenade skins all changed back to default.,The opening action of the characters also changed back to default.,Then open a platform for supremacy.,A jade on the opposite side pressed the five of us to fight.,Fuck your mother.,This game is rotten.

[radiant moat]

I'll be skipping it next season if the main items are not crazy

[fierce valve]

Day 11 of asking for Solo Bank It back in Private Matches.

Also being able to swap between game modes.

[glass fjord]

Hey Luna! I completely agree, toxicity has been insane lately. I've personally made the same decision today to just opt out of voice and text chat altogether, cause why bother. Just wanted to let you know that you can turn off text chat in settings>interface>text chat visibility. Unfortunately you can't toggle it easily like vc, but at least you dont need to be berated by (less experienced and lower ranked) trolls. Yesterday I got chewed out for using the sa1216 (he thinks that's why we lost), by a guy who ignored callouts to go fight the cashbox that was 50% complete, in order to fight at the freshly started cashbox 50m away that was guaranteed to have a full lobby third party after we would steal it.

@smoky sluice Yes.

[smoky sluice]

remove kyoto

[serene ledge]

Definitely cheating from that range

[grizzled mauve]

will the sword get a nerf next season?

[reef lichen]

UNI is a cheater bro, all top players know

[plush fjord]

Am saying this again here, said it in #🌍┇maps before.

get us a kyoto variant where theres a huge construction boom going on (prob a long time after 1568) and they used fire to burn away all the trees, and now are removing the remains by machinery.

would get us some verticality and destruction with the buildings plus a sadistic kinda tone (smthng new to the game).

[quick coyote]

-Kyoto gone
-light cloak/dash nerf (one dash faster 5 sec cool-down) same with cloak.
-model slight nerf the damage/range
-Nerf m11 rpm
-Force new/returning players to play the tutorial.

[fading pelican]

THIS^

[cold vortex]

I don't know if this is a topic in focus already, but implement a fucking ready check in ranked mode before loading into the map. It's about 10% of my games if not more that i have a teammate afk from the beginning. This needs to be fixed.

[sonic wigeon]

The ranked experience is a total fuck up compared to World tour.
In World tour the game plays out like the old Finals, its dynamic, creative and a lot of fun. In ranked, you get shitted on 90% of the time because 90% of the playerbase there has godlike aim (cheatinfested??). - I'm sick of ranked so I went over to WT, so much more fun!

[vast sable]

Fix audio issue! Gunn fire will be silent at times

[tulip steppe]

Next season

Weapons

1. Buff FCAR dmg
2. Buff XP54 dmg
3. Buff KS23 dmg and hip fire
4. Buff pike dmg and hip fire
5. Nerf M11 fire rate
6. Buff revolver don’t know how.
7. Delete grenade launchers as well as spear and dual blades

Game

1. Fix spawns in the game. I hate having to wipe a team only for them to spawn right behind my team.
2. Matchmaking is horrible. I’m gold…give me either high silver or gold, don’t give me unranked players lol.
3. I shouldn’t lose a lot of RS because someone was afk and left game.
4. More events like smoking guns and bunny bash.
5. New team intros, new scopes and sights, let us change the firing option of a gun, for example make the v9s and famas fully auto.

Specializations and Gadgets

1. Make mesh shield spammable again but reduce its HP
2. Nerf stun gun
   3, Buff pyro nades
3. Reduce gas radius
4. Reduce flashbang duration
5. Only 1 smoke nade for each class
6. two C4 for heavy

Please embark, we need different diamond, ruby and emerald skins. Maybe diamond famas, ruby SA1216, emerald model, emerald 93r and emerald flamethrower idk but sumn different. Thank you. This season has been great so far
@tepid violet what do you mean?😅wouldn’t that be fire?

@rough storm ok bruh.

[tepid violet]

Go away with emerald Flamethrower 😂 respectfully

@tulip steppe I hate flamethrower players haha.

[royal mango]

Fashion show week is such bullshit. 90% of the voting choices are either cosplay or people who didn't even follow the clearly stated rules. Garbo move embark, giving the fashion week duties to some rando subreddit.

[rough storm]

"Emerald Model" literally sums up this season and it's playerbase.

[low plaza]

Buff m26 matter its dogshit 😭

[wooden atlas]

I would take a buff to it but I don’t really see that it needs it

[obtuse stump]

My issues with the game currenty:

1. Tournament rules
   As an og beta season player, I think the old -30% team wipe penalty was far more better than -10%. It made the game mode much more interesting and exiting, with the fear of losing money when being to recless. Nowadays it is impossible to do a come back when the enemy teams have a certain amount of money.

2. World tour and ranked tournament coexisting?
   We all know that in season 3 world tour was made to replace ranked tournament. After the huge L from Embark after making TA the main focus as ranked, I understood the purpose of world tour. With S4 I find confusing to have two different game modes with ranks and the possibility to grind. In the early days you either played quick play of competetive ranked. Coming to new players they also might find it confusing to have to decide, which game mode with ranks should I play on. On conclusion, I think world tour doesn't have a purpose anymore, as you brought ranked cashout back. And even though I would want both emerald and ruby rank skins, it is not possible due to the crazy amount of hours it would need to grind them both.

3. Balance updates and new content
   I think one of the main reasons why people quit this game is the lack of intrest coming to weapons and content. When it comes to me, Embark should cofus on buffing more weapons rather than just nerfing the op ones. It is just boring that the meta doesn't change. There are so many weapons and possibilities but most of them are just useless because none of them gets a buff. In S2 and S3, the player base didn't stay high for long because all the new weapons added were just mediocre or useless. It is far more interesting when Embark adds new weapons and they are op, so the meta changes and it gives the game more variety.

[glass sequoia]

Please do this and add seeds next to team names c:

[ionic spade]

ofc it sucks to hear you also see more toixc player. But im so glad im not alone in feeling this. So glad that you told me with text i didnt know is so hidden jesus. I feel you with that guy, had a guy saying the same me playing doing healbeam and how since is nerfed im wasting my time playing it, same way of thinking as your case.

After i started to report the players i got 3 actions taken pop ops.

I hope you get some good games in with some cool people.

thanks so much for helping me out and i hope you have a wonderfull day

[rough hinge]

Give all classes thermal... or remove smokes from the game or make grenades dissipate smoke there is literally no counter to it.

Give KS23 a headshot multiplier while ur at it.

[oblique spindle]

Gas looks the same as smoke in thermal

[jovial pulsar]

Just wanna get the idea out there: I would like the shooting range to have more than one layout to choose from.

[drowsy field]

Used to love this game and recommend it to everyone. Dumped so many hours into ranked to hit diamond season 2 and this season. Amazing gunplay and cashout is unlike any other game. However, this game has gradually fallen victim to horrendous balancing choices and severe lack of meaningful content.

BALANCING

• taking way too long to make necessary changes time and time again (nukes/recon, TA incident, model 1887 is a s1 tier weapon in s4, charge is still unchanged)
• only like 6 weapons viable in ranked, more buffs embark cmon..
• making the wrong changes (stop nerfing healing beam and mesh)
• solely balancing around casual play will not make the game better for casuals
• play your game and listen to players instead of relying entirely on data to make changes
• cheaters only get a 2 week ban? are you serious?
• kyoto still in map pool

The last time we've gotten a limited-time-event mode was season 2. The Halloween wheel event was horrendous and hypocritical of them after making that whole statement about FOMO with the alien skin. Come on Embark, I know you're better than this.

SUGGESTIONS

• midseason content patch (gadgets, weapons, something)
• be more willing to experiment with the meta
• bring back LTMs
• rework kyoto
• put some focus on the competitive scene again (tournaments?)

[inland cove]

if you ever see HeuZ#6304 in game report his rage Hacking ass

[radiant moat]

+1 on all, I cited most of these on my "not recommended" review on steam

[daring fossil]

stop putting me in games I just left, especially if I was back-filled into a game in progress. My losses are so bloated from being put in an unwinnable game in progress, leave because it's unwinnable and then be immediately queued back into the same game. This has been happening since season 1.

[wicked saffron]

this game is turning to shit

[thorn kelp]

Womp womp

[sharp estuary]

Day #7 Rework the dual blades: The third attack of the combo should be the first attack and it should be faster and a dash attack, that way players could reach the enemies easier, the damage of the first attack would be increased from 70 to X1 100, X2 60; X2 50, the dual blades should be able to deflect when running but I'm not sure if the latter would be balanced

[quick coyote]

that would be nice, but we live in a world were ppl not only cheat, but also put money in the game (vbucks) and stream in twitch, all of that in the same account, they ain't afraid of ban at all.

As long they still spent money and make some marketing (stream) for the game, guess they dont care at all, after all, Embark = Nexon and vice versa.

[mild veldt]

Yeah but they should, it makes people stop playing. No self respect company would want it's playerbase ditching the game due people shitty atitute

[true harness]

If the community/social leads and devs want to emphasize community highlights, provide special items for it, etc., remove the barriers for submitting highlights, like requiring season-specific items to be used, or season-specific maps to be played on. Are you highlighting the players and plays, or are you merely using it as an advertising platform for a given season? The latter, I don't see in any way as effective. Additionally, usually the highlight reels go out SO late, that we're still seeing S3 highlights while we're nearly done with S4, and that kind of delay just isn't palatable.

[faint saddle]

I think dagger needs a buff and here is why

I am a dagger onetrick since Season 1.

I reached Diamond in Season 2.

Emerald in the World Tour of Season 3.

I have dagger level 8 since the start of Season 4.

I am currently not getting to Diamond, and the reason is the Model. You can call it a skill issue and stop reading here (I’m not necessarily saying the Model needs a buff—I do kinda think it’s decently hard to use), but if not, here’s the reason:

I, as a light with 150 HP, need to slow down to walking speed to charge my dagger, which takes 0.8 seconds, to then get behind a medium that has a model he can run around with freely—slide, shot, jump, slide—whatever. And I need to get behind that guy? He is almost as fast, if not faster, than me when I am charging my dagger, has the same or faster TTK, and a one-shot combo available against me with full-shot QM. He can end me faster than I can charge my dagger.

Sure, one can say “position better,” but with the amount of variables, that’s a bullshit take.

Today, I was fighting a Ruby stack, and all of them were playing Model. I got a lucky pick on an unaware enemy and then got a follow-up kill because he went for a defib. The third guy demoted on my head and one-shot me with a quick melee.

Dagger already takes a lot of effort to be good in high rank, but with the MMM (Model Medium Meta), I cannot compete. This wasn’t as bad in previous seasons because there were many assault rifle players, and I had a good chance to get a kill on them. But with the amount of Model Mediums now, there is no competition.

My Wish for Dagger Buffs

My wish is pretty much one of a couple buffs I’d like for dagger:

Remove the charge penalty so I can at least catch up.
Make the slowdown take place AFTER the dagger is charged.
Reduce the windup back to 0.6 seconds.

Since the Season 4 update, dagger TTK went up by 0.2 seconds, which is a 33% worse TTK—from 0.6 seconds to 0.8 seconds. Sure, it’s more consistent now, but it’s not good enough to be viable in high elo.

I’m constantly playing against Ruby stacks and Diamonds all day as I’m hovering in the 35k MMR area. It feels like dagger just can’t compete in this meta without some adjustments.

[rough hinge]

I played CB > CB2 > OB > S1 > S2 > S3 > S4

This sums up how I feel about the game perfectly, I agree with everything you said its a bad joke that nothing has been done to charge and slam... people have been asking for that to be nerfed since closed beta and almost everything in heavy class has been nerfed apart from charge and slam... I had bought every battlepass until this season, Im not spending another penny on this game anymore I did it simply to support embark as I only rock closed beta skins anyway but they lost my support due the downhill slope they put this game on.

Its such a good game... with such terrible decision making, its been downhill since season 2.

(cheaters only get a 3 day ban btw as I know somebody who cheated in s2 unless they changed that to 2 weeks?)

[summer elk]

Emotes where if an entire team wears the same one, each person hits a different ending pose
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RQP4gDzdWfE&pp=ygUYc3BsYXRvb24gd2luIHNjcmVlbiBlZGl0

[glass fjord]

Cb1 player as well. Couldn't agree more.

[tired fable]

I mean 175hp with 1~2 second longer recovery.
I have no main, I play everything.
I am not saying that is the best solution of the world, but it could be food for though to devs

[wicked saffron]

dont @me glazer

[lapis saddle]

DAY 7182747 OF ASKING EMBARK TO PUT KBM ON CONSOLE PLS ITS NOT THAT HARD

[fringe schooner]

Better yet, split the matchmaking pool between console and PC. Would help the smurf problem for console too

[daring fossil]

I've been around since the Alpha in 2022, I'm in the same boat. I stopped giving them money last season. I don't have enough multibucks for next seasons battlepass, if they don't do something about the state of the game it will be the first battlepass I don't purchase, even though all of them have been mediocre and 90% of the skins I use are from the store.

[thorn kelp]

Comment something stupid, expect something stupid

[outer cipher]

FAX

[muted jungle]

Model+Melee on Lights feels awful to play against. Still hating the model as much as ever personally lol. Also K&B for consoles would be nice :P

[lilac coral]

Am not even gonna complete this battle pass and tbh Idc I 100% won’t be buying it in season 5

[obtuse stump]

One more point that I forgot to mention: I miss the og soundtracks from beta season and season 1. It would be cool to change your game music in the setting just like in Apex Legends. And after every new season, the perious season soundtrack would pile up to your collection. That way anyone could choose their favourite music styles from every season

[low plaza]

Nerf flamthrower or just get rid of it, requires 0 skill at all

[thick sorrel]

The Finals Models Patch Notes 4.5.0 4.6.0 4.7.0 4.8.0

Model 1887

• Sniper Scope added
• ACOG (4x) added
  Dev Note: We nudge the effective range, so... it still 2 shots Lights at 15m😂
  **Real Fix: 2-Shots Lights and 3-Shots Heavys, but not above 10m! - e.g. 117 Dmg+more Spread **

Defibrillator

• Increase Charge from 1 to Two and a Half😩
  Dev Note: Defibrillated Medium's can instantly use their own Defibrillator. Obviously it's not Alan enough.

Akimbo Deagles

• Reworked: Shoots now explosive Rounds
  Dev Note: The midrange accuracy was way less oppressive than intended, so we added AoE to improve it.

Charge & Slam

• Renamed to Flash & Hulk
  Dev Note: We thought it fits the instant sprint animation and the damage level of Hulk Smash - usually used after RPG for a free kill.

Dual Blades

• Decreased Blades from 2 to 1
  Dev Note: There's only one Blade. There's only ever gonna be one Blade.

[quick coyote]

all the enemy teams are red!

[gritty abyss]

Make it so that in ranked you can't 3x stack a single class ex: M,M,M

[wispy sand]

#MakeHammerGreatAgain

Bring back Heavy Hammer right click MULTI-HIT. Light sword right click has Multi Hit still, return our glory.

[atomic crow]

PREAAACH 🙏🙏🙏

[vale stream]

Dookie game “connection failed “ trying to load in all the time. Terrible fps leading to crashes every other match.

[pastel cypress]

M60 feels weak

[red echo]

nah would still be a gigantic buff

[brittle obsidian]

nerf model 1887 to 116 damage at the least, but 108 ideally. also revert the spread nerf

[knotty coral]

so we killing the game then

[nocturne trench]

Please retroactively add the diamond player card background and diamond clavicle badge for people that got diamond in Season 2

[mild veldt]

Buff exp gain in this last month!!!

Let us try to complete the whole Battle pass, is too damn grinding the last 2 pages!!

[daring fossil]

im really tired of getting rewound when I slide off a roof or grapple away from an enemy like some loonie toons cartoon, like what is even the point of trying to run away when the enemy can still see you on their screen for like 2 seconds longer.

[timid pagoda]

Add Dead Eye for Medium,I want play .357Revolver with Dead Eye,just like in Red Dead 2

[dreamy ore]

Agree, zero sk8ll weapons should be nerfed to hell. Cl40, flamethrower, grenade launcher

[remote zealot]

As "mega damage" is an event and "dead go boom" is gone .. can we have gadget cool down event ?

[umbral turret]

You guys should really nerf the self damage on the CL-40 you do more damage to yourself than against enemies.

[unique kelp]

Hey guy can we remove the map Kyoto?

[finite galleon]

Don't shoot yourself

[atomic crow]

just wait untill you see the RPG

[keen lily]

-700 RS for this, are you fucking serious you piece of shit game

[surreal meadow]

ive played since Open Beta, Dia/Plat, 900~ hours & a die hard fan
i completely agree

~ terrible new player retention (i only see level 60 & up)
~ nerf after nerf, with nothing buffed to compensate
~ too long to nerf overwhelming agreed upon OP items
~ LTM/modifiers being locked behind WT is iffy
~ Removing events/variants rather than rework (turrets vegas, moving plats all maps, dead go boom)
~ 3.14 performance update killed frames across the board for me & a lot of other people
~ No 2 team cashout gamemode, then complain "the learning curve so steep, but why does noone new stay with the game?!?"
~ Heavy only used in high elo, light only used in low elo, medium seen in every elo

meta is trivial, so if new players cant stay with the game HOW will The Finals survive?

[royal fractal]

there seems to be an increase of cheaters.
Past 2 matches i had a cheater in my team.
When i died i spectated them and they were just spinning in circles snapping to heads.
The other just snapped to heads whenever they were shooting a shot.

i could not report the 2nd one cuz he left before the match ended.

[low plaza]

Full stack of fkin turrets absolute joke. Dont care bc its quick cash but theyre way too op

[tough merlin]

Wtb updates to the game.

[umbral turret]

rpg does only 20 more dmg to yourself while you have 100 more hp on heavy

[forest wasp]

First reasonable piece of feedback I have seen here in a while. All of this is 100% facts.

[elfin oasis]

Booooooosteroid plsssssss

[rigid fox]

Create a ingame fps counter

[atomic crow]

350-180=170 try to beat anyone with only 170 health while using the worst class

[wide void]

Just because they're splash damage doesn't mean they're skill-less. Try using them yourself.

Every weapon deserves to be strong enough to at least be viable somewhere between its skill floor and its skill ceiling. The grenade launchers hardly meet that criteria currently.

If you don't like using or fighting against anything but hitscan bullets, go play a AAA shooter...

@atomic crow imagine calling heavy the worst lol

[wicked saffron]

Stupid does seem to be your theme

[quick coyote]

settings where changed in menu. idk if i did it by accident or that it happened in the update but might be worth looking into?

[wooden atlas]

Very much agreed, no weapon should be truly worthless, and no one should be punished for choosing any weapon

[spare nimbus]

is he saying heavies are the worst cus there too strong or weak?

[finite galleon]

why are you shooting an rpg at your feet then complaining?

[waxen grove]

Turn on "team colours" on in the settings

[brittle obsidian]

worst class lmao

[silent fog]

Fix spawns, teams are getting rewarded for dying. makes 0 sense

[gaunt trellis]

servers in europe are super laggy today

[umbral turret]

@atomic crow You clearly are not understanding what I am saying.
They should just nerf the self damage on the CL-40 now you lose every single upclose fight since you just do so much damage to yourself. Let alone the accidental self hits when something falls in front of you. It's dumb they even made the self damage this high just make it a flat 1 time the damage but not 1.6x the damage.

I don't even understand why they changed the CL-40 in the first place. The only problem the gun had was it was only 4 bullets but that was a trade off I was willing to take for the in my opinion funnest gun in the game. Now with the 1.6x the self damage the accidental deaths or the death to a result of people face hugging you is just frustrating and it makes me not want to play the game anymore.

@finite galleon shooting the ground near you was a way to deal with lights that are too close to you. Now you just kill yourself.

@spare nimbus He is implying it's the weakest class.

[drowsy field]

it's fine for weapons to have clear weaknesses... in this case, cl40 having worse cqb because of the self-damage. early s4 cl40 was really obnoxious and hard to respect because of people shooting their feet and barely taking any damage instead of having good positioning to avoid self-damage. me personally, when I play it I still have fun with it just can't play as aggro and need to be more aware of your flanks. it's really hard to make a primary grenade launcher in a balanced state, they will always be either overpowered or mediocre at best.

[keen lily]

I've been saying this in the morning but nobody cares, this game is dead

[wicked saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/ky-and-s-gif-23537424

[tribal spoke]

Please buff and fix the dual blades, especially the damage

[fleet monolith]

powershift should count towards deep pockets

[quick coyote]

yhea thats what is said i found out

my friend told me. i didnt even know the setting excistet

[smoky sluice]

REMOVE KYOTO

[wide void]

It always had self-damage. Phantom's (valid) point is that the self-damage was scaled up too high the last time CL-40 was nerfed.

You're arguing this really weird fence-riding position where you say that the weapon is currently fine (statistically false), but somehow, it could never be balanced to just be fine, it could only be OP or UP (logically false; it's a projectile with self-damage, and there are myriad ways to balance it alongside Medium's hitscan options).

[drifting acorn]

bring back double explosive mine
and fix the CNS face glitch effect with the spotlight stealer mask

[umbral turret]

I know early s4 the CL-40 was stupid, nobody asked for that. But now we are being punished for a balance fuck up from the devs. Just revert it back to it's pre s4 state and it would be alright.

It's also dumb that they made one of the strong points of this weapon it's greatest weakness. Dealing with dashing lights.

Yes having a extra bullet in the gun is nice but blowing myself up 1 to two time a game is just not worth it. It's littraly a troll pick now while it's the only gun I enjoy playing with.

It's oke for it to be mediocre that's not the point. The gun was midocre before S4 and i loved using it. Now it just feels like we are being punished for what happen ealy S4.

[silent fog]

Rework spawns.
Teams lose vault fights and still end up at the cash out before the team that won. Shouldn't be rewarded for losing the fight.

[inner karma]

Fix networking. I play 2-3 games then have to restart my computer. If I don't, i always get red ping and red desync warnings. Ive varified the files and everything. Makes it unplayable after 2-3 games.

[drowsy field]

Never said it was fine, obviously, it sucks as-is. It needs buffs. What I said was it being not as strong close-up is fine.

The self-damage earlier in the season was originally around .6x if I remember correctly. This caused a lot of people to get annoyed by the fact that people would shoot their feet from full and take very little damage in comparison to what's being dealt to the other player, causing frustration.

The reason why I say it will always be either OP or UP is because over-buffing it makes it frustrating (early s4) and in cases where it's nerfed or given small buffs, like the 5th shot alongside lots of self-damage(current) it's still been mid/weak.

@umbral turret The best-case scenario to me is to still penalize self-damage by making it 1.1x, while in turn, buffing the damage back past the 110 breakpoint to allow a shot+quick melee on a light. This would, in turn, allow it to still counter lights who play too close, but would still punish the medium if they choose to continue shooting their feet three times (if full HP). I still think the medium should be encouraged to avoid shooting themselves when around half HP.

[granite kettle]

hi, on PC i noticed when you hover your mouse over buttons like "start game" it doesnt line up right, or when say to modify a gun when i go to click the button the mouse cursor isent lining up right and the clickable box is off

[honest verge]

RPG was a heavy staple and got nerfed away from being a requirement to take. I'd like to see the same happen to Defib. Maybe it would cut down on the overpopulation of Mediums

[neon burrow]

I wish this was true

[finite galleon]

Maybe because shooting your feet to kill people shouldn't be a thing? bruh

[versed cloud]

Double barrel shouldn't be a one shot kill. It should do 149 DMG and require a quick melee.

[daring fossil]

bro its already the worst melee weapon in the game, try using it, if you're not completely dead center mass you only do like 20-60dmg

[smoky sluice]

REMOVE KYOTO

[umbral turret]

I think taking extra damage from your "main weapon" is stupid and at best it should be a x1 the damage every thing over that is stupid since from that point on you will kill yourself in a heavy dome when they are strealing before you are able to kill them. Why should you be punished for shooting some one that stands next to you it's ridiculous.

The extra bullet is really nice, if you use the gun a lot you would know. But i'd rather lose that bullet over this absurd self damage.

The gun was straight up the counter to lights dashing around 24/7. Why make lights + dash now the counter to this gun?

@finite galleon when some one stands next to you you can't shoot them either bruh. You loose every single CQC.

[keen abyss]

Bro using the turn your brain off gun

[drowsy field]

It's.... A grenade launcher. Being able to shoot your feet, from a design perspective, is almost never a feature in any game with GLs without being punished for it. In fact, in a lot of games, you die instantly for doing this. I don't see why you think that isn't problematic, realistically speaking.

The changes I proposed are honestly generous, would still allow some leeway for shooting yourself. It'd be plenty strong enough to deal with the light (1 shot, quick melee) while punishing you for using an explosive weapon on yourself. In fact, it'd be even more of a skillshot than before because getting full damage alongside hitting the quick melee takes some skill.

Also, the classes countering each other is fine, better even. Light, being almost exclusively CQB, should not just be shut down entirely by any CL-40 player existing. They should have the opportunity to outplay the CL-40 player without being shut down entirely for playing within their effective range.

Lastly, with the change, you could also deal with domed heavies stealing at full HP if you shoot + quick melee, shoot + quick melee, shoot. You would trade in this scenario.

@wide void light is most definitely not the strongest in every range, especially medium-long range after sr-84 and xp-54 nerfs...

[stable path]

allow heavys to rocket jump with the rpg

[wide void]

We're not saying it should do no self-damage. We're saying it should go down to x1 self-damage.

Low self-damage isn't that problematic because CL-40 is a projectile and has a slow TTK to boot. It could literally do zero self-damage, and its current stats would still render it non-meta. Because the hitscan options simply kill faster and more reliably.

Also, Light isn't just effective in close range. They have the best DPS at every range, and they have multiple of the longest-range weapons in the game... This is by design. Light out-ranging CL-40 is very commonplace.

@keen abyss just because it has splash doesn't mean it's braindead. Try using it yourself and you'll understand why nobody is using it right now.

V @faint saddle Well, 1., you were using melee, so naturally it was a counterpick. But 2., I'm not asking for it to be buffed to early S4's standard. (Not that it was even meta then...)

[faint saddle]

From a dagger player perspective, that gun when it was meta for 2 weeks was complete bullshit i legit became the jonkler in thoese 2 weeks cause every medium was playing it

[acoustic warren]

pretty much sums up how i feel abt this game, i absolutely love it, and i can see that there are some good changes in the right direction this season, however it just honestly feels like The Finals lost what made The Finals, well, The Finals.

the game just feels honestly kinda stale ever since mid-late S2 w all the bad balance change decisions and its so sad honestly

[finite galleon]

sorry to break it to you but every weapon has some kind of draw back. You can't just shoot at your feet and kill people without getting punished, adapt and overcome; that's what many players had to go through after their main weapon was changed, or just switch all-together if it's really that unplayable for you i guess.

[rough hinge]

Its rare to see so many people agree let alone agree upon the same thing in this channel, must be a more common sentiment than people realise.

The finals lost what made the finals for sure, thats a good way of putting it.

[rough storm]

Tripple model defib gang killed this game. Literally

[hexed grove]

I've still seen a decent amount of people using it. While I do agree that the self-damage is probably a little high right now, I agree with the change because it should have trade-offs as such. It is a BOMB being sent out, it understandably should not function as a close-range weapon. Use your brain and give yourself distance to make sure you can use your weapon properly. If you're going against a lot of lights, either continue putting distance OR change your weapon to something that would fit better in close quarters.

During the first half of the season it was so brainless to use that people would shoot a sledge heavy from an inch away... and win. It shouldn't BE viable at close-range, It's sweet spot should be mid range, and have utility at long range.

Expecting it to viable at bombing a light at your feet is just asking too much. It's like thinking a sniper should be a full-auto shotgun at close range but also a railgun at long.

[next beacon]

Is thermal broken like the healing beam was before? where it just stops working for the rest of the game?

[umbral turret]

"In fact, in a lot of games, you die instantly for doing this." is such a dishonest argument since in those games you also one shot people with it.

The changes you proposed would not adres the dome shield problem. since if there would be at least one more person you won't be able to melee/shoot/melee/shoot for the trade.

As for a shot + melee on a light good luck if they are running dash. It would not be something any one can pull off reliable.

It feels like you are just arguing to argue at this point.

@finite galleon I am not saying it should not have any drawbacks. The gun has drawback build into it however 1,6X self damage is just overboard you. I am not asking to be "bombing lights" at my feet. at 1x self damage i would be taking enough self damage for a light to just tickle me and die and thus it would be fair but how it stands now you blow up before you can do any thing.

@finite galleon like i said the beginning of this season was BS but that should not be the reson why this gun was to be dog shit now. Just because a dev fucked up and there is so much resentment against the gun and it's users becouse of it.

@faint saddle I can completely understand this, the gun was also bs to deal with and nobody asked for this. However now the gun is being punisched for a balance fuck up from the devs.

@stable path Hell yeah!

[midnight sand]

i love this game

[smoky sluice]

REMOVE KYOTO

[drowsy field]

Saying I'm arguing to argue is wild. I haven't given you one insult this entire time. But oh well, I'll still uphold that and respectfully pretend you didn't say that.

Sure, in those games it also one-shots, but understandably so. You're expecting there to be less of a punishment for using, as Famed said, a BOMB at your feet. Also, the shot->quick melee thing is definitely very doable. Look what people are doing with model right now. As a light player, I can tell you most other people who play light would crash out if another medium weapon was even capable of the model oneshot combo. It'd honestly be easier to do on CL-40 than model.

You're expecting way too much out of the weapon regarding the domed heavy. When someone is stealing, logically speaking, they'd have protection or some plan behind it. You can rarely challenge a stealer being protected nowadays with a normal gun without dying if you aren't playing stungun, goo, charge and slam, or having it set-up for a jumppad/demat.

With any iteration of CL-40, I see no way a low ammo count weapon like CL-40 would be able to deal with a competent team in a 1v2, or in a lot of cases, a 1v3 on cashout without gas mines, and I think that's how it should be without breaking into the realm of overpowered. It being able to deal with a solo steal is perfectly sufficient.

[spare mirage]

Shut up nerd

[past forge]

Can we get tdm or something like it with your twist on it? i love powershift but lately ive been getting into games where the enemy team will spawn trap and not even play the objective until the last seconds of the match makes the game not fun at all its defenitely not a "im gonna quit scenario" but it kills my enjoyment and im sure others have had this happen to them

[wide void]

@hexed grove The drawbacks to CL-40 are:

slowest TTK of Medium's ranged options
dodgeable projectile that can even be deleted mid-flight
tiny splash radius that can deal as little as 1 damage
does 160 self-damage
rounds reload, which sometimes helps, but often means you output even less DPS in teamfights
creates lots of dust and other visual noise around the enemies you are shooting, practically giving them a mini smoke screen and making it harder to shoot them

So just to be clear, it is completely possible to give a grenade launcher drawbacks BESIDES self-damage. One look at Junkrat in OW can tell you that. And again, we're not asking for the self-damage to be outright removed. Just keep in mind CL-40 was hardly relevant even in Season 2 when it had 110 damage and x1 self-damage.

@drowsy field It used to be able to do that combo, and it was not as consistent as you imagine. It's a projectile with self-damage, and you pretty much have to land a direct hit to do the full damage it is labeled with, especially with the nerfs to its radius and falloff. Actually, I distinctly remember getting combo'd in the opposite way in S2: I did 110 self-damage after a Sword lunged into me for 140 damage...

[carmine orbit]

I haven’t been able to win a world tour match in seven days. What is going on with your servers. I’m so done with this game. Wish I could have all the money I put into it back.

[umbral turret]

You don't need to insult any one to argue with them...

I am only expecting the gun to do the same thing as it was able to do before the buff.

Or was it a meta breaking weapon before they buffed it?

I am getting tired of going in circles. The self damage is just too much. If they reverted the cl-40 to pre season 4 i would be happy with it. But the devs wanted it to be able to kill a heavy in 3 shots that broke the weapon, we can all agree on that.

You nerf the self damage and the gun is in a good spot. Still a mediocre gun but not a full troll pick.

[rough storm]

Also, if you play around your team with a CL it's actually very good and even if you get killed by said light, your teammates would always have the light if played well. Your suggestions would make it a noob tube again and would make the game all about CL again which takes all skill and fun out of it just like the Model is right now and would make it even more luck over skill which it shouldn't be.
It has a decent skill ceiling now and shouldn't be buffed, else you'd just be blown to bits by CL's again within a second after engaging a team fight. Might aswell put in tanks if you think that's fine. If CL is not for you learn to play other weapons maybe.
In general CL should very much not be a main weapon cuz it makes team fights just chaotic and more luck > skill, but that's just my opinion.

[finite galleon]

It has solid TTK for being an easy to use AOE weapon.
Every explosive can deal 1 damage, this isn't exclusive to CL.
The AOE isn't small, it's radius is roughly 4 meters, compared to frag nades' 5 meters.
Round reloading isn't a bad thing.
Dust is subjective, this was never an issue for me back when i played the weapon

Not saying it's a good weapon, it is dogshit and it should never be viable. Nade launchers simply cant be balanced without being concerningly braindead easy or trash and we saw what happened when CL got buffed.

[tulip steppe]

Nerf the model in S5. Everyone and thier mom is using it. While y'all are at it buff FCAR dmg

[dry lichen]

Please, with so many Nama Tama kisses and hugs

[mint stream]

Am I the only one that can’t wait for private matches improvements?

Like being able to toggle team for every player in the lobby at a press of a button, and enable global voice chat at least in the lobby? And maybe for the game if we choose too?

Also, TA is a mode loved by many, but the number of rounds was better before, and the mode need fixed for quitting players, like the quitting player spot that can be filled, bc it’s slowly killing the mode, for the players that like the one-life strategy and a little more "ground-level" gameplay.

[silent fog]

Nerf charge n slam, decided to finally give it a go and it's absolutely broken.
Nerf model. Do I really need to explain?
Grenades are meta right now, 149 x2 with only 20 second cooldown and with all the visual and audio clutter in the game you sometimes don't even notice you get naded. I'd like to see a small change to them.
Fix spawns. Teams losing vault fights should not spawn closer to Cash Out than the winning team.
Revert plug meta.
Fix performance. Even people with expensive high end systems don't even get good performance, or at least not even close to what they used to get.
Every one I talk to in discords and in game have performance issues.

[wide void]

My brother, he is literally only suggesting the self-damage be reduced back to x1, and he even suggested going back to 4 shots instead of 5 to "make up" for it. That is not "noob tube" territory -- that keeps it weaker than it was even in Season 2, and it was NOT META in Season 2 -- or EVER, for that matter.

No, the current CL-40 is not fine. Almost nobody uses it. Because as soon as any newcomer who's played more than 5 games learns to aim the ARs or even the Revolver, they output more DPS more consistently than CL-40 does. Because CL-40 is a dodgeable, deletable projectile with self-damage, and it has the slowest TTK of Medium's guns.

@finite galleon It is not "easy to use" when you have to worry about killing yourself in 2 shots. And aiming such a slow, arcing projectile can be harder than aiming the ARs.
I don't believe the radius is 4 meters, and the falloff calculation is way worse than frags. Frags do 149 damage even when you aren't right on top of them; CL-40's damage can be mostly mitigated just by jumping over the explosion.
Rounds reload is bad when it tanks your DPS in a teamfight. I already said it's not strictly bad, but it hurts the CL-40 when trying to actively engage in chaotic indoor fights with multiple people.

"Nade launchers can't be balanced without being braindead" shows an extreme lack of creativity or critical thought on your part. Just being honest with you. Is it really so hard to understand CL-40 could be buffed without buffing it to the point it was at in early S4? And it is also very easy to increase the skill floor and skill ceiling: move some of the damage into direct hits only. And also, why can't it at least be strong enough to at least be usable outside of Top 500? It was never good enough to work in top tier lobbies, but right now, it's not even worth using in bottom tier lobbies... (If you can't aim for headshots, Model works better. If you can't aim bullets at all, melee works better.)

[lost talon]

direct pyro hit needs a buff, you're literally dousing them in gasoline and lighting them on fire it should do more damage

[sterile yew]

It's not supposed to do a lot of damage.

[umbral turret]

Thank you for explaining it so clearly.

[opal cargo]

f

[finite galleon]

it is easy to use when you have 3 cents worth of positioning. the projectile is not slow unless you're for whatever mysterious reason are using it like a sniper.

I tried multiple tests for the radius and the AOE starts at 3.5m to almost 4, frags started at exactly 5. Yes frags do more damage but you have 5 shots that you can reload and nades are a gadget with a cooldown that bounce and don't detonate on impact so comparing them is quite silly and only shows lack of critical thought on your part.

I personally am not a fan of the linear explosive system, so I give you that.

As i said, it's exceptionally hard to balance weapons designed around AOE, I totally advocate for a rework that deviates more towards direct hits for big damage at the cost of it's AOE properties but I digress.

What some players don't seem to accept though is that some weapons will almost never make it to the higher levels of play, usually the more niche weapons like melees and you guessed it; nade launchers.

[untold hazel]

dont allow weapon stacking its unfair im against a team full of heavys whit 3 fucking grenade launchers

[astral mesa]

Just lock squads to HML. Any meta/annoyance is 3x worse when it's 3 stacked

[pliant raptor]

Somehow need to average 40,000 xp per day if I want any chance of finishing the battle pass.
Luckily I only want to get the Ivada upper body piece at 104, so I only have to average 30,000 a day. Yeah, 100k for the bonus rewards is totally fun and fair 🫠

Embark, please don't make them so much next season. Page 12 rewards were, what, 15k? Make the page 13 and 14 rewards like 30k and 45k. Or 45k and 60k. The battlepass is advertised as having 106 unlockable items, it's a bit of a kick in the teeth if casual players - your so called majority of the player base - can't actually unlock them.

[uneven dagger]

Battle pass leveling was easy

For those who actually played casually

[bleak fern]

i dont agree with locking squads classes but limiting guns/equipment/abilities should be a thing stacking anything sucks going against aka 3 defibs 3 turrets 3 grenade launchers 3 swords with 3 stuns etc, its no fun going against so i think 2 of each item on each team should be the llimit for most things
I bElIeVe ThErE aRe BiGgEr IsSuEs To PrIoRiTiZe

[grand wind]

I believe there are bigger issues to prioritize; regarding ranked queues. Just queued and the game launched me solo without teammates or anything. *There should be a mandatory compensation for players in similar situations, especially for those that remain till the end of the game so they won't lose more points. It's outrageous to see players struggle alone or duo againts whole teams, get obliterated in most cases and still count as a whole at the end of knockouts.

[smoky sluice]

REMOVE KYOTO

[drifting mauve]

Dagger should still be a click to stab, with the the added ability to hold it. Just like the throwing knifes, otherwise it's annoyingly inconsistent to try to use.

[wide void]

You can only have so much "positioning" when attacking or defending cashout stations. You may be able to create some distance, but Light, terrain destruction, or Dematerializer WILL close that distance.

I only compared frags to CL-40 because you did. Of course frags should have stronger explosions. I'm just saying CL-40's explosions aren't as big or as dangerous as you described them. (Also, is it 3.5m radius or 4.0? That's a big variance)

It's not that hard to balance around AoE. Team Fortress 2, both casually and in silly competitive formats, balance them fine. It's not a 1:1 comparison, but what you advocate for is like TF2's Direct Hit, which is plenty skillful yet neither overshadowed nor overpowered compared to the other RLs with huge splash radiuses. And neither of them beat a good Scout who knows how to dodge.

I agree that not all weapons can be viable at top-tier play. That's simply impossible. But I just want CL-40 to be worth using even casually again

[placid obsidian]

Day 10 of asking that m&k be added to THE FINALS for users on console with crossplay enabled.

[eager cipher]

made it damn near useless

[upper granite]

I am begging you to reveal emerald rewards at the start of the season! Easy but big improvement:))
Edit: also: make the season 100 days, not 75 like this time!!

[high frost]

fix the RS loss if steam goes offline ffs, you wasting our time!!

[wraith grove]

Increase full team kill repawn timer!

This will:

• Make coins more valuable
• Make full sending cashouts less valuable/strategic
• Make respawn logic work better

The last person jumping off the map to team wipe and get another push for a cashout should never be a strategy unless you are completely out of coins! Also, there should never be a time when I kill a team on one side of the map and are unable to make it to the other side before the killed team respawns! This solves all of that and makes pushing cashouts more strategic knowing you will have less or no time for another push!

[olive nymph]

Me and my friend have a problem rn, THERE IS ONLY 3-5 STACKS, make a gamemode where it's only a 2 stack, we get ransoms who can't play the game so we are forced to carry a hardcore dead weight, just make a duo game mode

[finite galleon]

The game doesn't provide distance in decimals so 3.5m - 4m is the rough estimate.

My comparison was simply for the radius to prove that no the radius isn't small, I do agree how the AOE is calculated is a bit silly which I believe makes the radius a lot smaller than it actually is.

Tf2 isn't quite balanced like The Finals because there's no standard primary weapon category like rifles, every class has completely different and unique weapons that function very differently. That said Tf2 state of balance is awful in of itself so Idk about comparing them, the only reason people play this game competitively is probably cuz half the items are banned, even casual is very unfun with Sniper itself being a thing which has been a huge issue in the past year or so, items like Vacs, etc..
You could use the same "unfun" argument in The Finals, CL wasn't really a big issue in ranked even though it showed it's ugly face there. But majority of complaints were from casuals who simply disliked fighting the weapon.

I understand that CL40 is extremely dogshit, never denied. I'm in no position to determine whether it needs a buff or not, but personally I'm not looking forward to seeing the weapon in my lobby ever again as it's simply very toxic and unfun to fight.

[violet matrix]

It's a shame that the developers are no longer interested in the game, they don't listen to the community and they don't fix the countless bugs that the game has, it's noticeable that they are abandoning it and prioritizing the development of Arc Riders which will not be a game that will be very successful since it looks very generic and is not meant to be played for a long time like The Finals is.

[hearty bough]

It is completely unacceptable to lose Ranked Points when you are missing a teammate from the very start of the first round - how hard is it to code this into the game to at least reduce MMR loss when you're down a teammate?

[icy falcon]

lmao wouldnt it be funny if we got more than 1 balance patch a season

[unborn garnet]

A buddy of mine and I agreed that if you're down a person who has fully left the game, your ranked score does not change at all. Its just simply not fair, if you're going to compensate for the missing person, give the team thats missing a person, less RS, a benefit in game to give them the edge. Not fair at all, they're handling ranked TERRIBLY among other games and gold ranked lobbies are vastly different from plat lobbies in ranked. I'm 5k away from diamond and worried I wont hit because of how terrible this meta has been. You cant do anything around it besides join it and I've basically earned 90% of my kills and skill from this season by playing with the model/pike and deagles.

Its quite ridiculous at this point and I'm tired of every thuesday morning I wake up to absolutely nothing changed to the games balancing except for their mediocre skins that I have no interest in.

Edit: I played season 3 ranked a lot in hopes to getting ruby (Yeah, did not happen) and they would cancel the game if one person has left and fully disconnected from the game. What happened to that?

[wide void]

Oh yeah, like I said, TF2 isn't a 1:1 comparison. But it shows that AoE can be made strong enough to be a viable option but not so strong that it can't be counterplayed by good movement or hitscan aim.

Despite some sour spots, I don't think TF2's balance is as bad as you say. I brought up comp formats specifically because it shows the dynamic between AoE damage and hitscan damage. I also don't think is Casual bad balance or fun-wise, but that's starting to stray from the point.

Call this a matter of opinion, but I don't understand why you think CL-40 is toxic or unfun compared to many hitscan weapons. Yes, it has an explosive radius, but there's plenty of counterplay. Dodging, bearhugging the user, out-ranging, jumppad, APS, taking high ground, or out-TTKing. I would much rather fight the world's best CL-40 users than the people who play AimLabs in their sleep and casually land double Revolver headshots every game. There's almost no counterplay to that

[sharp bolt]

Request to rename channel to game-discussion because Embark clearly does not listen to any of the most valid points commented on this channel

[humble phoenix]

They don't read anything from here. It's just a channel for people to vent.

[umbral turret]

I understand that people don't like fight a CL-40 user because they don't play by the same rules as an AR user. However the gun should be useable.

That's what we want. I did not mind hitting all 4 shots on the heavy to kill them. I kind of even liked the challenge but the way it's now it's dog shit.

[lyric whale]

u just want it buffed bc u use it. if u want to use it in casual use it in casual and have fun instead of complaining that u arnt winning ur fights. dual blades r dog shit but they r one of the most fun weapons to use. maybe ur ideas should be more thought out instead of “i use so i want it to be strong”. some guns shouldn’t be strong bc they r annoying to fight. the model is op which makes it annoying to fight but weapons like the cl and mgl r annoying bc they do aoe damage in a game where fights r very predictable and most cashouts r in doors. just bc something has counterplay doesn’t mean that it’s fun to counter. also how r u dogging if it’s in a decent range? yes it’s projectile but it’s not slow the only person who could reasonably dodge would be light with dash but u will probably still be tagged. jumppads r used to initiate fights so most people don’t have it during the fight. aps isn’t used to much. bear hugging means u need to push and unless ur completly brain dead ur team will play around u making that a death wish. the other ones work but it still requires a full strat change and still doesn’t mean that ur team isn’t gonna be hit for a large amount of damage just due to aoe. when u lose a fight u shouldn’t feel like u lost due to an annoyance u should feel u got out played or out skilled. thats y getting 2 tapped by a revolver doesn’t bother me bc that shits impressive. the cl or even flamethrower don’t feel that way bc of the nature of being able to pretty easily force close range fights and having a low skill floor. and it isn’t kills that matter getting hit by even one shot in a team fight can be a death sentence bc it takes a huge chuck of health.

[long arrow]

+1

[smoky sluice]

@viscid raft invis is perfectly balanced on any map thats not kyoto tho

[uneven dagger]

Request to rename channel to the seethe center, the community clearly thinks it’s the devs responsibility and authority to respond promptly to my request for an orbital laser that kills lights and lights specifically in one shot instantaneously

[viscid raft]

replace invis with some noclip type ability
#⚡┇the-finals-chat message
invis just fucking sucks and isn't fun to play against
invis bomb is fair as its on a way bigger cooldown, whereas invis is spammable and rewards you for just, running into a fight and pressing q
basically how it would work:
it has the same activation type as invis, being a timer, but instead of taking a chunk of use on activating it, it's when you deactivate it.
while active you're able to phase through walls and ceilings, though while it's enabled and you're inside a wall or prop, your weapons and gadgets will be disabled, and upon deactivating the ability they will be re-enabled.

[wide void]

1. How could anyone have fun using a weapon that straight-up sucks?
2. I didn't ask for it to be "strong." I asked for it to be casually viable.
3. You are implying AoE is somehow unpredictable compared to hitscan. It isn't.
4. CL-40 is best in mid-range where you can't self-damage and it can't be dodged as easily. Indoors is not as ideal an area for it as you think.
5. How do you dodge it? Move the opposite direction when they fire and jump.
6. Not having jumppad during a fight with a CL-40 user is a skill issue. Preserve its charge or run multiple of them.
7. APS is indeed not that frequent anymore, but nonetheless, it still snuffs out over half the shots of the CL-40. In the time it takes for them to shoot 3 shots, you can kill them.
8. There are ways to push into the CL-40 without their teammates getting in the way. Terrain destruction. Flanking. Winch. Shields. Or just waiting for their team to push out of their comfortable positioning, if they're the ones forced to attack.
9. Low skill floors are not what you should be worried about when balancing. And even still, like I said earlier, current CL-40 has a higher skill floor than Model or melees.
10. Aim skill is not the entire game. Strategy is an important factor. You have got to learn to deal with non-hitscan options and allow the game to have different skill expressions -- even if their skill floors are low or they aren't even competitively viable. Because why not go play CoD or CS otherwise?
11. One shot from CL-40 does at most 100 damage. It has 5 shots before reloading. The DPS of the hitscan options is higher even without considering headshots... So no, it's not really taking chunks* of health out, comparatively.

[finite galleon]

I agree the state of Tf2's balancing will mostly be based on opininos with how playstyles differ so heavily.

CL40 is basically not much but a nuisance, you could compare it to sword and i know sword is leagues better but in competitive play it is rather easy to counterplay, with gadgets or specs that completely deny their presence but they're extremely unfun to fight nonetheless and are pretty much hated by everyone. I don't think many would also want to see CL buffed after the Season 4 release incident.

[wet oak]

good game but causing my pc to hit almost to 100% in cpu or memory and its only this game that does it

[tropic snow]

revert goo physics
revert akm&m60 recoil to beta
revert xp54 to s3 state
revert v9s to s3 state
revert mesh shield cooldown
revert c4 damage ramp up
revert healing rate or make it faster the closer teammates are
revert the performance update for better performance
revert wt to 16 teams tournaments
revert ranked seeding system

[hollow kiln]

❤️

[tribal rampart]

In what world is it okay that charge and slam can bounce you against the cashout and instantly do 380+ dmg?

[proven parcel]

Nukes were 10x more fun than triple medium. Effectively having to fight a 3v6 if you aren’t running the same comp is so incredibly boring. Defib is literally the only thing in this game that needs to be restricted 🚫

[tulip steppe]

Saiga 12 for medium!!!!!!

[jagged vector]

Can we either do something about the lights dash? Maybe 2 instead of 3? Or even the throwing knives, those 2 as a combo you can’t do anything against and it’s very annoying

[queen shale]

fix goo nades having the stability and constancy of a crack adict when placing them

[sleek flame]

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-smg4skill-issue-skill-issue-smg4mario-smg4skill-gif-26104493

[gritty abyss]

would love something like this!

[shrewd oriole]

Can we get an option for saturation on center dot or crosshairs? I'd like to be able to see them better.

[silk moon]

I am once again asking for the ability to name character slots.

[velvet spire]

Who let @slate otter get ruby?

[odd ibex]

Double blade exciting?
Play dagger and dash

[lyric whale]

that’s also a shit ton of fun

[rough storm]

IMO, what they could do with CL is revert the damage it does when you hit your nade ON a player, but make the nades bounce like the MGL (heavy nade launcher) when they don't hit target.

[dark niche]

Give console their own matchmaking, not against pc players at all.

[umbral turret]

Honnestly i would love that but i don't think that's a good idea haha.

It will make it the best of both worlds and it would become truly a pest.

[woeful hill]

they do...

[molten junco]

Anyone else having issues with their cursor moving out of the game window in fullscreen and borderless?

[frank holly]

BUFF FCAR!! 24 damage to put it in the goldilocks zone between too hot (season 1) and too cold (right now)

[brittle obsidian]

increase arena damage of cl40 and mgl32

[hexed grove]

Do something about 3x medium with 3x defib. Shit is fucking ridiculous, it takes no skill to defib rush as soon as one of your teammates dies.

[onyx tiger]

make defib take up 2 gadget slots and then buff it to compensate

[smoky gust]

That would still be busted

It would just make medium even more boring with less variety

Just nerf defib please

[jagged walrus]

Buff fcar

[celest egret]

This chat is peak entertainment

[arctic slate]

buff

[timid pumice]

They should make the finals 2

[oak kernel]

I think I'm firmly decided on this. **We need a 5th reserve slot or a dedicated backup weapon ** I think there's so much gear in the game at this point that it's getting tough to actually take things to account for other things. I don't mind not having enough room for everything of course, but it feels like we may need oooooone more slot, or at least a dedicated weapon swap slot so during the last round of a tournament we don't get boned potentially.

[wise bramble]

Does anyone know if there is a setting you can change that allows you to cancel arrows on a bow? If there isn't I think that would make a nice addition!

[surreal meadow]

if you melee it stops, or switch items

[primal mantle]

allow a different crosshair per class or weapon

[daring fossil]

fix the riot shield, its 3rd person hit animation is fucked and you take damage before the animation even plays and they have a percieved 10 foot reach

[wise bramble]

I know, but I still think atleast making the reload button (I'm on controller) cancel the charge would be much easier. Plus it already doesn't have a function with the bow

[odd ibex]

Spear secondary

[onyx crystal]

QOL

• Random loadout option
• Make quick cash timer end at 0
• Make primed grenades detonate if you are killed/at least dont vanish the already thrown ones

[daring fossil]

I really hope audio gets fixed tomorrow. It's already bad enough I'm not able to react to being shot in the back purely due to the shit netcode, but then on top of that I can't hear the guns shooting at me either, or the footsteps of the players stabbing me in the back.

[toxic bough]

Goddamn bro you hate embark😭😭

[junior igloo]

not sure what you mean invis is NOT spammable ever since the nerf way back in s2, which uses 33% of the charge from activating. Invis bombs cooldown is ~20-30s which is quite short consdiering the duration and its potency

[lost imp]

Heavies should steal the cashout 33% slower mediums steal at normal rate and lights should steal 33% faster

[smoky sluice]

@odd cedar theres no casuals in this game, theyre all long gone

[drifting pawn]

seeing weird frame drop issues lately. even in the main menu, when i mouse over the different menu options my frames drop pretty badly

[raw blaze]

idk bout allat, 33 seems like too much

[naive tundra]

this channel should be titled: "who let em' cook" with the stuff im reading lmaoo XD

[odd cedar]

please add soft sbmm to world tour 🙏

end the reign of top 200 emerald players vs casuals

[vale niche]

ooo

[queen shale]

do something about zero skill throwing knives dash lights

[smoky sluice]

have u tried playing them before xD

[proper crescent]

Uh that's a skill issue, throwing knives are both not super easy to land and that's not hard to track

[scarlet crown]

Plz buff FCAR reload and damage at range.

[granite kettle]

hi, love the game. one issue i have is minimizing the game for some reason i cant switch between other tabs

[sharp bolt]

THE DEVS DO NOT READ THESE MESSAGES

[echo bronze]

Can we get a larger, or otherwise more obvious timer when Power Shift goes into Sudden Death? I think a lot of players see the extra time and forget that the game is in Sudden Death mode and they can't leave the platform without losing. Like, I'll see teams just jump off the platform even when nobody is advancing on them. Maybe something really large and obtrusive like the mid-game event warnings, that says "Keep the platform" or something.

[jagged vector]

They for real don’t care about this game

[queen shale]

sorry, can you not hit with the infinite ammo weapons? damn. i think that lacks enough skill to where they would let you install aim assists just out if pitty

[dark niche]

ranked system is very punishable, losing alot more points than winning in the whole round, doesnt matter about seeding, people may be better when they have a lower rank 🤷‍♂️

[eager cipher]

seriously, you can be face-to-face with a medium and not damage yourself, land 3 grenade hits on them and still have them kill you. embark fucked up with this nerf

[long oxide]

fire

[smoky sluice]

the fcar allready has much faster reload than akm...

[thick sorrel]

it reloads faster than XP-54 which is a bad joke, why Empark?

[uneven dagger]

[smoky sluice]

bro deleted it cause he knew its not true xD

[lean wyvern]

WHERE IS RANKED TERMINAL ATTACK

[glossy geyser]

I resent that. I'm a casual

[smoky sluice]

in hell where it belongs

[lost talon]

this is the same brazilian from before, nobody else has ever said that

[unkempt jewel]

Hello can embark please fixed the world tour and ranked servers for Xbox in Oceania we cannot find a game but for quick cash and any other it’s a 30sec wait or less

[hard hollow]

Revert sword

[wise flame]

a season themed around victorian style punk would be nice
so steampunk/clockpunk/dieselpunk

[onyx crystal]

Sadly they can't fix that dude, its not their servers loading its people playing, and not enough people are trying to play ranked in OCE. I swap to asia normally, it's a little laggy but fine overall

[stable path]

idea for grappling hook: holding down the specialty button allows you to swing on your grappling hook so you can become spiderman

[olive fulcrum]

There is no "Painted Predator" (Level 8) skin for the goo gun

[twin turtle]

How do you swap servers?

[dim forge]

🤣 they are NOT that good

[dark niche]

Give console players controller only matchmaking aka Xbox / Ps5 (sorry pc players we dont wanna play with you guys aka the cheaters) console may just be dead on this game very soon if they dont let console players matchmake against eachother only. crossplay off doesnt work btw for the pc players that say.

[cloud jungle]

Xbox doesn't have gyro so it would still be unfair

[rotund sparrow]

But then PC users couldn't play with their Xbox/PS5 friends.

[vale niche]

It would be very nice to beable to set sensitivity based on weapon.

Let there be a global default setting, and if you find yourself wanting to change or adjust sens for close/long range weapons you can swap it and save for that particular weapon or class.

[grave bane]

Could you please buff the SA1216's rotation speed. I find it absurd that I can't kill a heavy with 4 shots of a shotgun point blank. That rotation is just a little too long

[wide void]

don't worry, brother. I agree. Anyone with 10 braincells knows current CL-40 is dogshit

[smoky sluice]

@delicate basin yeah, theres also hating kyoto off course

[fervent coral]

Melee hitting range needs to be studied

[delicate basin]

Bro there is more to life than posting in game-feedback

[mossy rose]

I've given feedback since S1 started, I give up. Your game sucks. You just don't have the right ideas to take it anywhere, you change recoil and guns non stop. Your anti cheat sucks making asia server unplayable in S2, it got better for s3, S4 is back to S2, cheaters in every lobby because you don't ban CN. it's just it, Your game won't go anywhere and about time nexon pulls the plug soon. GG

[novel stream]

Fr bru

[formal sphinx]

Reduce points incentive for kills and more heavily weight team based scoring elements. E.g. Revives and support.

[mental sail]

Fix the anti cheat and figure out why we can't go a single match without seeing broken bugs
Like the reload bug or the broken timer

[fair sierra]

how do u post pics in this chat??

[tropic sage]

Maybe this is just a me thing but I'd love to have a death cam when you die.

[lost talon]

Low gravity should only work outside the buildings or something along those lines like space maps in other games, it disrupts the game too much imo probably more than dead goes boom

[coral pivot]

When could embark stop matching lame teams with strong teams. I ask politely. 🥺

[jade mirage]

Hey Embark,
so, I'm guessing you know how the OCE WT and Ranked player base has been severely lacking this season. Because of this on the 4th of November I decided to make a OCE exclusive Discord server with the sole intention of reviving the OCE servers so us Oceania players can play WT and Ranked on our own region servers, which is important to us as you could expect that playing on a different region's server introduces the frustration of latency, which is undesirable to play competitively with.

The server attempted a revival of OCE servers by hosting timed events where members would que for WT simultaneously to enter games, which worked to some amount of success for the first 3-4 days. Unfortunately, due to the issues of people not always being available, and the monotony of always versing the same pool of players (highly competitive, bad for casuals), people eventually stopped showing up for these events in numbers great enough to have regular back-back games despite there being roughly 325 of us as of now.
Our feedback/proposition would be to create an incentive for OCE players to play world tour, as it isn’t particularly a population issue (quick cash & power shift games are found very fast), and to ensure that players would do so on our own servers. This could be something like a limited reward, or even just a message in game to promote the game mode. If this is out of your scope, we would very much appreciate a public endorsement of our OCE Discord server so that we may have more players to join us for our organised WT/Ranked que sessions, and so we may host them more often. The server members and staff are more than happy to conform to any regulations you require of us to be endorsed. We seek no financial gain, only to help the OCE community flourish and finally return to playing games on the servers that you, Embark, pay to maintain for us already.

[strong canyon]

Sincerely, The Finals OCE Community (with love )

[onyx crystal]

This would be awesome, playing on asia is killing me

[umbral anchor]

uhh idk where else to send clips

[thick sorrel]

The Finals Models Patch Notes 4.5.0 4.6.0 4.7.0 4.8.0

Model 1887

• Sniper Scope added
• ACOG (4x) added
  Dev Note: We nudge the effective range, so... it still 2 shots Lights at 15m😂
  **Real Fix: 2-Shots Lights and 3-Shots Heavys, but not above 10m! - e.g. 117 Dmg+more Spread **

Defibrillator

• Increase Charge from 1 to Two and a Half😩
  Dev Note: Defibrillated Medium's can instantly use their own Defibrillator. Obviously it's not Alan enough.

Akimbo Deagles

• Reworked: Shoots now explosive Rounds
  Dev Note: The midrange accuracy was way less oppressive than intended, so we added AoE to improve it.

Charge & Slam

• Renamed to Flash & Hulk
  Dev Note: We thought it fits the instant sprint activation and the damage level of Hulk Smash - usually used after RPG for a free kill.

Dual Blades

• Decreased Blades from 2 to 1
  Dev Note: There's only one Blade. There's only ever gonna be one Blade.

[tall cradle]

Sights and scopes need customization. At the very least some colour blind options, it's bad enough the visual recoil is so bad you literally can't see the center of the screen with some weapons while firing, also having all the crosshairs be one colour is just negligent.

[lucid shale]

Charge nerf this patch no cope no joke!!

[quick coyote]

Have better anti-cheat, that's all I ask for 🙏 quitting the game until anti cheat's better.

[dense ocean]

day 65 asking embark
let console players able/disable HUD

[old cipher]

Would love for OCE to be revived

[tired fable]

can you had invisible shirt for men AND women ? 👀

[opaque dock]

spoken like a poet

[daring remnant]

gangnam style taunt

[candid epoch]

remove the stun gun, it never should have been in the game

[coral pivot]

You really need to pay more salary to your anti cheat team, and let them focus especially on Asian server. As an asian, I sincerely beg you for more a more strict banning mechanic and especially banning those who play with hackers. These employers employ these hackers to team up with them to get promoted in rank. Thus if you dont get rid of these "employers", you can never achieve a successful anti cheat.

[upper granite]

Still begging you to reveal emerald rewards at the start of the season. Make seasons longer than 75days. And don't give the same gun the emerald AND diamond reward in the same season, makes 0 sense

[night gyro]

Terminal attack killed the game for me
I did less than 10 games since the chance
🫡

[quiet frost]

Can we have a prop hunt mode?

[modest rock]

Why do we keep getting fcar and XP-54 skins as ranked and wt rewards! Please give famas, sa12, model, etc more love

[fallow gust]

Bring back the old dagger! The new one is too casual, and now players who have been playing for a long time are on the same level as beginners because the dagger can’t be fully utilized anymore. It makes aggressive play impossible by slowing down the character too much. At the very least, could you remove the slowdown effect on the dagger? Please bring back my favorite weapon—I can’t play like this 😭

[misty wolf]

Allow us to use text chat to talk to consoles.

[untold orbit]

please nerf model ffs

[dawn valve]

Hey embark? maybe dont have a weapon that kills a light in 0.5 seconds be the most 0 skill easy aim weapon in the whole damn game? Yes I mean the M11.

[dapper atlas]

stupid asian server full of cheaters. this anticheat is just for show right? stupid.

[feral bay]

I bought the 50 akimbo and AKM animations… selected my favorites expecting to be randomized in game… not just choose a random one for the whole game. Disappointed 😔

[fringe hatch]

Anyone can tell me if emerald tiers in WT is still based on wins or what?

[jaunty prism]

based on points instead of WT final round wins

[hollow flume]

Bro 🤨🤨🤨

[trail nymph]

add more maps to powershift

[crimson ledge]

Both World Tour and Ranked don’t make sense to me. I have 1000 wins and ranked the highest plat 3. If I play ranked I have to face top 2000 players in order to maybe achieve diamond. (With 90% of them being pro players or hackers it’s nearly impossible).

So I shift my focus to WT since also the rewards are now much better than ranked. However I play nearly exclusively against emerald 1 now even though I am gold 4.

Feels like in both modes it’s pick and choose when to apply sbmm and as a solo player I am either way basically prohibited from reaching the final ranks regardless of my abilities.

This makes the game extremely frustrating to play since even if I manage to carry my team through emerald 1 lobbies and win I am only rewarded with the same amount of points as if it was other gold 4 players.

What is the point of introducing any type of ranked if it is all canceled out in SBMM again? If someone has an answer for me also outside of embark please let me know :).

I would love to climb ranks fast at first and then get progressively harder enemies instead of climbing at a snails pace because I have to face top players.

[wide void]

They NEED to either give Emerald 1s their own queue or reward you Win Points for being forced to fight them. They're just gatekeeping the Win Points from everyone else. It's annoying as hell

[primal hornet]

we need a big nerf in the shootguns (all class). I have played 10 matches and everyone is headshooting me. Dealing like 156 damage per shoot

[vapid drum]

Make revolver doesn’t have bullet spread

[valid night]

well balanced game😅

[dark niche]

shotguns don’t have headshot multiplier

[nimble kiln]

That's just straight wrong, every good dagger player agrees lmao

[mild veldt]

Buff EXP! Help us out in completing the Battle pass!!!

[unkempt jewel]

Shotguns don’t do headshot multipliers pretty sure

[proper crescent]

I mean by that logic every weapon is 0 skill easy aim so skill issue

[burnt notch]

Shotguns have no headshot multipliers

[gritty owl]

lol

[maiden hemlock]

Embark, Is it very difficult for you to show me the ping I'm playing with? I think it's something essential in multiplayer shooters

[keen lily]

bro they probably don't know your ping themselves

[vapid drum]

I need revolver rework

[scarlet yarrow]

Any chance of better placement of skin patterns for dagger? Level 7 and 8 can't be seen due to hand convering

[rough hinge]

Remove sword + dash combo from this game, it has no place in the game.

[trail nymph]

idc remove stun gun from the game already

[surreal meadow]

ohhhhh, rip

[fleet socket]

WT always rewards the same amount of points when winning (You get 25 for winning, 14 for second, 6 for 3rd-4th.) and has no sbmm just like quick cash, the "ranked" is just the tier of reward you get. The reason for so many E1 rank is probably cause tournaments are fun asf and WT has no penalty for losing unlike ranked

[shy token]

As we can all see, THE FINALS' community is deeply passionate when it comes to concept art and making drip. Earlier this year we saw the switch away from exclusive bundle pricing to individual items now being made available for purchase. This alone allowed a great amount of customisation and personalisation of the game. But @shy token is back this time to argue the case for community driven input.

By allowing the community to create fan-made concepts and outfits using available items, TF has allowed its community to creatively flourish. However, we think, and there are others who have considered this idea as well within the community, that new community made items should be given the chance to be official and in-game.

This would not be the first time that such a thing exists in the world of gaming. Warframe's 'TennoGen' is one of the best examples of having the community be involved in the creative process. This engagement's potential is virtually limitless and invaluable for the game's longevity and community. It can be further sustained by giving the creator(s) a chance to be awarded through a variety of ways, in combination or merely by themselves:
(a) recognition,
(b) in-game or IRL payment,
(c) but most importantly a free (perhaps personalised) version of the very same item that will be immortalised in the world of TF.
(DAY 86)

[nocturne trench]

Please retroactively add the diamond player card background and diamond clavicle badge for people that got diamond in Season 2

[final solar]

DAY 1542812388 OF BEGGING EMBARK FOR A REAL MODEL NERF

[odd ibex]

U r just dumb don’t make the game worse,don’t play light

[keen lily]

I play medium and model is terrible, def needs a nerf

[compact ore]

Hello please fix blocklist thank you

[ebon jolt]

I think Model's fine as a support class—it’s not meant to be a direct combat role. Nerfing it might unbalance team dynamics. Medium already has good firepower, so they complement each other well

[trail nymph]

Add more maps to power shift

[crimson ledge]

By that logic there would need to be more players in emerald 1 than in any other rank. How would it otherwise be possible to consistently only face that rank ? And with it people that have thousands of wins.

[cold scarab]

I play medium and model and still suck 😦

[manic cloak]

Maybe… idk there is some form of confirmation bias going on? Just a hunch 😂

[quaint forge]

I play heavy and it’s annoying being three pumped by that thing while KS is a worse version of the model, I hope they just buff other weapons that aren’t meta so everything is playable, things like the 93r and riot shield or spear, just diff weapons that aren’t being used much

[violet kernel]

Well hello everyone after playing a few games of light I’ve come to the conclusion that lights are just flat out too strong.
Mainly dash, I’ve come up with a nice adjustment. 3>2 charges/unable to shoot but can still reload/increase then timer by 2 seconds. I see this as still being able to evade and stay in the fight but it’s just flat out impossible to catch up while in a gunfight against lights.

[golden rock]

That is not generally the Model's fault.

The gun is overtuned, but it is not overtuned on all ranks. It is only vastly too powerful in the hand of high skilled players, because they can take advantage of the high fire rate while maintaining high accuracity, even at longer distances.

That is also why a lot of people complain that Model's nerf did nothing. Because it only affected the lower skilled players as people who are good with it, still hit full damage shots even at longer distances it just became harder, but they where already past that point skill wise.

Honeslty I think in retrospect the model nerf was a mistake. I would like to see them up its range back up to what it was or maybe halfway there at least and nerf the firing speed instead.

The burst damage it has is fine, the lowest I could see it dropped to is 120 tbh, but the fact that a medium can load 3 of those bursts into a heavy before they can get the medium to half hp is insane. If they just changed the fire rate so that the kill time against other mediums is within 0.05 seconds of the ars instead of being like 0.2 seconds faster the gun wouldn't feel as bad to play against.

It might seem like it has no advantages at that point over the ars, but it will still kill heavies faster and burst damage is in general better than small jabs over time, because it helps your teammates better because of the breakpoints in this game.

[keen lily]

NO BALANCE CHANGES WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING DEVS

[rough storm]

No Izak, model has been used as a purely agressive engagement weapon this season cuz it has the ability to deal 128 damage in 0,0 seconds and between shots you can hop around like a happy schoolgirl so nobody can damage you either. In high elo meds jusy jump pad in your face and start 2 tapping you. And when used as a "supportive weapon" (aka letting ur team go in first) you finish the opps within 0,5 seconds after engaging too cuz of the ridiculous damage. Panic shots also win you every 1v1 and third partying works the best with it. This weapon is the king of the finals or must i say, 'The Models'

The KS heavy shotgun is the real support shotty and should be switched with the Model imo. Id love to see all tripple medium mains cry when this happens

[trail nymph]

add more maps to powershift

[dry plover]

Rework Revolver for Real the gun is too meh, the dmg is already ok and no need to be change but it need to be rework. The gun got easly overpower by different gun when in close combat battle, make it no bullet spread for the left click and add a special move for the right click rather scope in maybe a burst move that waste whole of the clip but that move won't give you a headshot like this https://tenor.com/view/on-fire-cowboy-shooting-gun-gif-15317612

[ebon jolt]

Yeah, you're right. The Model seems to really shine in higher-level gameplay where players hit all their shots. With its insane damage and mobility, it just becomes way too oppressive in those situations. It’s definitely harder to deal with when players are that accurate.

[craggy basin]

I loved the Halloween event and I think we should have an advent calendar that you have to complete daily contracts to unlock the prize for that day (for a Christmas event)

[delicate basin]

orbital lasers is just plain stressful, nothing else, just stress

[terse lark]

no balance changes 🫤

[manic cloak]

Fr 😔

[upper citrus]

Is it a really a surprise at this point lmao. Embark will never learn

[thorny hare]

What a joke to not buff or nerf any weapons this week. What is this company even doing anymore.

[muted shard]

pls fix the defib. I get often the defib sound, without actually defibbing. It lets you think, that you defibbed, but you did not.

Also Fortune stadium glitches ar still not fixed. You can just go through the mesh structure below stairs on the central building.

[weary pine]

Enjoy another week of triple Model stacks boyos!

[surreal meadow]

~ Patch notes
~ No model nerf
~ Pain

[faint saddle]

You remove emote dashing with 0 compensation to keep dash viable

The first time ever I dislike patch notes if you wouldn’t have nerfed the dash cool-down in season 3 it would have been fine

Dash is dogshit in high rank every light is playing clock buff das

On top of that just adding reskinned season 1 exclusive skins? Really?

[ionic hound]

this is actually one of the most based takes on the model. i feel like most ppl complaining about the model on here likely aren't even at the skill level to be very oppressive with it. that being said tho, it could still feel very frustrating to play against even at lower ranks because as mentioned before, players wouldn't be hitting their shots as frequently. so if a player were to hit a few lucky shots and maybe 2 or 3 shot, i imagine it could feel pretty cheap to play against.

[cosmic narwhal]

day 16 of asking for a ready up button

[frozen ravine]

EMBARK PLEASE Mouse and Keyboard support on consoles when?

[golden rock]

Really? I mean Embark already said that they are gonna be doing big balance updates on the beginning of a season and later on in the middle of it, while only nudging things that are wildly out of line in the meantime. So I am not surprised at all to see no balance whatsoever. Dissapointed? Maybe, but not surprised.

[final solar]

Let's gooooo another week with only models in ranked ! good job....

[wind meteor]

the fire rate is the slowest of all guns man. not to mention the tedious job or reloading it. yes, i was able to kill heavies with 3 shots, but not before i had 10-20 Hp left, especially if the heavy is running firethrower.

[sacred jungle]

please revise respawn logic. the amount of times I respawn in comp to have the enemy team stare at me is insane. and respawn at the exact same place again 3x

[woven hawk]

I saw "16:9" and "ultrawide" in the patch notes...

I am on my knees for an option to shrink UI to 16:9, so I can play on my ultrawide while recording/streaming in 16:9 for the 95% of viewers that don't have ultrawide.

I play with black bars on the sides instead. Over 25% if my monitor is black. Would love to use my full screen, and other ultrawide content creators feel the same. Pls

[raw summit]

Don't kick people mid match so the game can update. That's dumb as fuck. If I open the game and theres an update it should prompt me not allow me to get into a match then crash the game. Shouldn't have to get penalized for your game fucking up

[red arch]

where is the model nerf, why are you guys so reluctant to do anything

[plucky tiger]

These horrendous team spawns have been here since the beginning of the season, where the enemy team spawns at the objective you are putting the vault in after wiping them, and repeatedly spawns 20 meters away every time you wipe them, and your team if wiped spawns 200 meters from your own objective and are not going to address them all season?

This has made ranked extremely frustrating to play, and you haven't even acklowedged the issue all season. Even if you aren't going to fix it, can you at least tell us you are working on it? It doesn't feel like you think this is an issue. It's gamebreaking. Wiping a team shouldn't be a disadvantage when you are fighting over a vault.

[radiant reef]

fr it's just unfun to deal with, no matter what it takes to counter them. With visible delay of animations and movement on screen that ain't it

[celest forum]

Don't say "Yeeted" in patch notes please.... Thrown is better

[trail nymph]

yeeted am i right zoompbers

[delicate basin]

Buff spoon so it can reflect light in people's eyes, giving it the same effect as a flashbang

[charred folio]

This! WTH is the 100,000EXP on the bonus tiers? That's like 4x more than last season

[plush fjord]

Embark give me a gamemode this season and half my wallet is yours!

[sand hazel]

overall the changes made have made this game such a grind. everything is slow and frustrating now. its turning into a cash grab and not the wacky game show it use to be

[quartz dirge]

lol balance team is genuinely braindead. Doesn’t seem to listen to the community and their cries for help. 😂 cmon, I love this game but it’s frustrating as fuck to wait so long for a simple balance change

[radiant moat]

another week of not fixing game breaking spawns
another week of allowing the game to be less fun without model nerfs
another week where heavy doesn't get anything (i dont even play H that much but jeez)

see u next season embark, truly make-or-break times for me and a lot of my friends

[sharp acorn]

BRO NERF THE SHOTGUN

[quick coyote]

so when can we see other players ranks in the pregame??? whats the point of ranking up when you cant show anyone not even your friends

[rough herald]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183069658086117447/1299209361549299794/12131387_97486-ezgif.com-speed.gif

[craggy basin]

Real

[crisp vine]

Fire 🔥

[sharp current]

🗣️ 🔥

[mental hatch]

Game should renames to THE SHOTGUNS

[worn sigil]

Still haven't fixed cash boxes being stuck underground especially in Monaco!
Cash box #1 has been stuck in the ground since the beginning of the game so all 4 teams fight for one cashout everytime..

Arguably it was fun and chaotic but ended up with no points because of it
🤣😩🍿

[distant crane]

FIRT GAME FIRST ROUND AFTER THE PATCH

[wispy sand]

Remove Kyoto

[mild veldt]

At the very least, let's just finish the damn Battle Pass. It's not much. I mean, seriously, at the very least, help where the money is.

[tall wave]

Just updated on Xbox and now I can’t access the servers rip

[eager cipher]

another week where cl-40 is relegated to a "gimmick" gun and any other hitscan exploit weapon melts your face in 0.34s

[stable saffron]

"no fomo" for the alien, then a wheel with a 5% chance to get all the items, then a guitar reskin embark cmon man you're shafting the remaining early player base from season 1, and also not sticking consistent to what you have said previously. great game but let us have our exclusive items that were promised to be exclusive without lame excuses to resell them

i hate the cycle of beating on the devs we've got going on in the community so i apologize this isnt a heated message, yall do great work it would be appreciated if you thought about the og players when reselling the "exclusive" battle pass skins though🤣

[keen lily]

devs so out of touch, glad there are other games to play xD

[lost talon]

a shotgun should not be the goto weapon for medium and heavy philosophically speaking especially at all skill tiers

[ember dirge]

YOOOO WHEN ARE WE GONNA GET AN ACTUAL EVENT GAMEMODE, ITS LIKE SOMEONE KILLED THE HEAD OF THE GAMEMODE AND EVENT DEPARTMENT WTF. EMBARK YOU KNOW WE'VE BEEN MISSING OUR OLD EVENTS

[quaint elbow]

Anyone miss old west Monaco ?

[cold bolt]

fix spawns

[signal basin]

NO BALANCE IN THE PATCH NOTE
NO BALANCE IN THE PATCH NOTE
NO BALANCE IN THE PATCH NOTE
NO BALANCE IN THE PATCH NOTE
NO BALANCE IN THE PATCH NOTE
NO BALANCE IN THE PATCH NOTE
NO BALANCE IN THE PATCH NOTE
NO BALANCE IN THE PATCH NOTE

[thick sorrel]

The Finals Models Patch Notes 4.5.0 4.6.0 4.7.0 4.8.0 4.9.0 5.0.0 6.0.0

Model 1887

• Sniper Scope added
• ACOG (4x) added
  Dev Note: We nudge the effective range, so... it still 2 shots Lights at 15m😂
  **Real Fix: 2-Shots Lights and 3-Shots Heavys, but not above 10m! - e.g. 117 Dmg+more Spread **

Defibrillator

• Increase Charge from 1 to Two and a Half😩
  Dev Note: Defibrillated Medium's can instantly use their own Defibrillator. Obviously it's not Alan enough.

Akimbo Deagles

• Reworked: Shoots now explosive Rounds
  Dev Note: The midrange accuracy was way less oppressive than intended, so we added AoE to improve it.

Charge & Slam

• Renamed to Flash & Hulk
  Dev Note: We thought it fits the instant sprint activation and the damage level of Hulk Smash - usually used after RPG for a free kill.

Dual Blades

• Decreased Blades from 2 to 1
  Dev Note: There's only one Blade. There's only ever gonna be one Blade.

[short widget]

no bgm after update?

[floral shoal]

Where Las Vegas and Fortune Stadium Power Shift.

[weary pine]

lol nope

[smoky sluice]

@keen yew think who had the money first wins

[keen yew]

anyone know how world tour final round tie breakers work?

[hasty trout]

Game has no background music after the update 💀

[neon burrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183069658086117447/1304095302269014016/togif-2.gif

[drowsy field]

the models™️

[faint saddle]

Dash needs a compensation buff!

With this update, they removed emote dashing—a tool that made light builds viable above plat when paired with dash. They need to compensate for that somehow because this mechanic was what made dash good in general. Every light player I encounter in ranked now just runs cloak instead. A dash nerf could’ve been manageable with the super dash, but now it definitely needs some kind of compensation.

Revert the dash nerf from season 3, or make dash retain movement like the emote cancle in a weaker form.

It made the game so smooth and nice to play

[coarse linden]

No music in game

[knotty smelt]

yep, no music at all both on pc and console

[proven parcel]

Adjust defib and charge challenge impossible

[hearty dagger]

Breaking your opponent’s assembly as he’s being revived with defib should be a thing

[charred folio]

A lot of the challenges this season are ludicrous
And the additional XP for tiers moreso

[gleaming lance]

Some balancing ideas I thought of for some problematic gadgets:

Stun gun: Duration lasts 3 seconds now. While stunned you cannot shoot, use specializations, use gadgets, or heal; but you are also invincible from damage for the duration of the stun. Shooting a stunned player instantly un-stuns them (they still take no damage though).

The main issue with stun gun is that it is used offensively and completely hard-counters melee weapons, but it isn't necessarily "OP". Casual players and controller players are the most affected by this as they usually can't react or turn fast enough to shoot back, and like I mentioned melee players are pretty much as good as dead if they get stunned. With this rework it would shift the stun gun into being a more defensive weapon, but it should be nearly as good as before. Now it would be used to stop cashouts and run away from players. It could also be used to temporarily take someone out of the fight. You could stun the most threatening player and then take out his two remaining teammates and then come back to the stunned player.

Defibrillator: Gadgets are now on cooldown when you are defibbed. Glitch grenades detonate on contact with the defib holograms and pause them for the duration of the glitch effect. Data reshaper can reshape defib holograms back into their trophies (would need a slight modification to data reshaper to make it less of a hard counter to defib)

One of the main reasons the MMM meta is so dominant is because they can (almost) continually defib each other after they die. If gadgets are on cool down a defibbed player would after wait for 45 seconds until defibbing someone else. Glitch grenades and data reshaper would also allow some counter play.

[quartz spruce]

THANK GOD I HAVE NEW SKINS IN STORE THANKKK GOODDD. AND YET MODEL IS STILL 2 SHOT MEDIUM

[potent pawn]

Add a thousand yard stare emote

[quartz dirge]

This

[delicate basin]

Propane tank dodgeball LTM when?

[prime egret]

#⚡┇the-finals-chat message to the people crying over dash changes

[quick coyote]

Another week of the model meta… atleast they added skins to the store 🤡

[valid cradle]

Game is so broken but at least the store got an update!!!!! 😍😍😍😍

[misty dove]

music is gone pls fix

[upper citrus]

Actually, it’s the opposite, faster ttk = less teamplay. Fast ttk means you can get picks solo more reliably and 1v3 easier by catching people off guard. Slower ttk means focused fire and sticking with your team for more firepower is the best way to secure kills.

This is why games like overwatch and paladins have long ttk and games like cod have incredibly quick ttk.

The most competitive players have been advocating repeatedly for longer ttk since the game released. It’s a good thing that we got it.

[upbeat urchin]

while i agree for the cooldown of gadgets while you re dead, what you suggest for stun gun makes no sense. the pb with Stun Gun is it cools down too fast so you can spam it

[glossy geyser]

Please add replay mode so we can watch matches over again