#šŸ‘‚ā”‡game-feedback

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opaque dock
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justice for dual blades šŸ”„ šŸ”„
let me parry gunshots mid fight
embark hear our prayers

wraith orchid
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ok guys i have a take that may be controversial but is still interesting to think about.

embark wants to bring every class in line and equalize their pick- and winrates.

since light will always be the most fun class, there is only one option to equalize pickrates.

  • giving every class a unique utility that has a high value to the team and synergises with the other classes. doing this will lead to a team missing a certain utility to use the teams full potential IF there is a class missing.

technically this is already the case through specs and a few gadgets. but there are still a few problems.

1st: lights primary power is speed/movement AND recon. the problem here is, that mediums primary power is heal/support AND movement.
there is the problem.
the fact that medium can provide so much movement power for the team (through gadgets) its taking away the meaning of lights utility.

ideas:

-give light a gadget that can boost the whole teams moving speed like a adrenaline grenadešŸ« 

  • take away mediums zipline and give it to heavy, to reduce the movement utility of medium, so light movement can be the best in its utility again.

  • there are too little gadgets that match the different classes primary roles and are bound to one class alone.

CONCEPT:

-every class can have more than one primary role
-the different specs are the indicator of the role and there should be more gadgets that match with the different specs to create and expand the different roles.

  • of course you can always choose your whole loadout like now so you could choose a loadout that doesnt really match a certain role.

-BUT, matching gadgets to different specs creates unique utility for the team so everyone is happy to have any class in his team.

  • the goal is to make a M/H/L team the team with the highest potential because every class brings some sort of high value to the team that none of the other classes can

lmk if this sounds like smth to think aboutšŸ˜ƒšŸ«¶šŸ»

ly embark

plush fjord
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?
There were plenty of light stuff that was "annoying" some op. Annoying still means in need of a nerf.

Back in s3, xp54 melted players at a huge dps and rof, insane reload speeds, hellish accuracy. TK had huge dps, stupid ass fire rate, and took around two shots to kill a light and three for a med. Sniper never had projectile, always hitscan. Tip of the iceberg.
And saying that sniper was only good in terminal attack is the thing that you'll get the most criticsim for, even by lights. Even now snipers dominate powershift.

And always remember that teh DMR requires actuall skill. Cuz its not easy aiming down someone through a scope while theyre jumping and moving around, especially when u dont have evas and cloak like a light xp54 and sniper does. Idk why did that to lh1 but I never asked for it so sorry aint my faultšŸ˜‚ .

Light is the most played class, yet mediums and heavies have dominated ranked to this day. They will be the most played class because most of them tend to stick around and help defend the obj, support the team, instead of camping on a crane and getting elims. Yes, it is as easy as that.

And as an all main myself, I have to say I agree with all the dagger reworks you mentioned, as well as the evas dash buff. But lights are supposed to be high risk reward people. Theyre supposed to be vulnerable, which is why they gave them fast mobility things like grapple and evas. So that lights are always on their toes.

Edit: I realize now that you're a light main, sorry.

carmine token
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Nah, it's a lot more fun to run off by yourself, die repeatedly while shooting at third-party teams having their own fights on the other side of the map, waste your coins and be upset that your team won't leave a cashout in progress to come rez you 150 meters away. Until Embark endorses this playstyle with balance changes, Light is not viable.

vivid jackal
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make the main sponsers invest more into fortune stadium to make walls a tad bit sturdier than plaster please :) feels like everything breaks too easily

upper citrus
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Nerf model damage.
Buff model spread. (To keep its average ranged damage the same as it is now after a damage nerf)

Keep its strong mid range playstyle in tact while rewarding enemies for closing the gap against it.

ionic tusk
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GET A WORKING FUCKING ATICHEAT

untold locust
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Can combat score accurately show based on damage done, not just kills?
Have "damage" showing somewhere?
Getting less than 1 combat for more than 1 damage doesn't feel right.

clever hawk
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There are two Gadgets that have maintained almost 100% pickrates ever since the game released, despite numerous nerfs:

  1. Defibrillator
  2. RPG

This is because their functional value is immense regardless of minor tweaks to resurrection time or damage dealt.

Defib:
It is easily good enough to be made into a Specialisation. This is the most straightforward path.

If not, itā€™s going to need a series of strong nerfs for it ever to be worthwhile to take another Gadget instead. These nerfs would also reduce opponent frustration:

  • Disable use for 10 seconds upon resurrection. This would prevent the incredibly strong & infuriating chain-revive merry-go-round.

  • Prevent Defibbed players from shooting for a further 0.5-1s. They can spawn in shooting as it is, which is actually advantageous versus opponents relying upon timing/reaction.

  • Either:
    A. Allow the resurrecting playerā€™s body to be destroyed (via gunfire only) before completion. This would finally limit most of the value from ridiculous mid-combat rezzes.
    B. Prevent use of other Gadgets & Specialisations for 5 seconds upon being Defibbed. This would stop players immediately Jump Padding away or dropping Frags at their feet.

RPG:
Whilst it deals good damage it will remain a must-pick. It could instead serve the least-picked Heavy class great fun & some much-desired manoeuvrability:

  • Reduce damage to 50. This is still useful against groups, for dealing 1/3rd of a Lightā€™s health, & for finishing off targets.

  • Increase explosive radius by 50% - the extended region will deal zero damage. Allow it to be the defining tool of destruction.

  • Enable minor knockback at the explosionā€™s epicentre, allowing Heavies to trade some health to perform a rocket jump as well as move enemies on direct-ish hits.

  • Reduce cooldown by 15s

To be honest, with these changes Iā€™m certain it would still have an exceptional pickrate. But it would be so much more than a low-skill, high-value fight initiator.

sudden tangle
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light is useless in competitive. buff it ONLY IN COMPETITIVE so you dont ruin the good balance in casuals.

just revert every single nerf to weapons since s1 and also increase hp to 180. there u go, light is now viable again. still probably the weakest option of the three, but at least its viable.

narrow spade
mortal notch
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Iā€™d rather drink off milk infused with bleach than play triple med pike/model meta

modern wind
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Bring back the MF xp54

brittle obsidian
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give xp its damage back and nerf its rate of fire. damage per mag was perfectly fine, the dps at range was just slightly too high for how well it performed in cqc.

@glass fjord ok, then its an m11 reskin. keep its powerful upside, nerf its cqc performance. the point of a rof nerf is to make missing more punishing at close range, not just lower dps

glass fjord
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I just dont understand why you would release the sponsor outfits, a main part of the season, and have every single possible upper back, crossbody, and lower back piece clip through the iseult jacket (INCLUDING THE ISEULT BAG). Like what? How does this not get noticed?

@brittle obsidian imo, give the damage back and just nerf distance falloff. its only OP when it can do the same damage at 100 meters as it does at 20, which makes no sense for an smg. -- i mean the m11 is also an smg so they arent that different to begin with, theyre both made for cqc irl. but m11 is meant for hipfire and only cqc in the game (before sights got added of course). the xp was supposed to be mid range (30-40m) since it was the only gun with a sight for a while. i'd take lower rof with the damage back, but tbh the lower rof would make me miss less shots in cqc. people mostly complained about dying from 100+ meters to it since its damage falloff is like zero. it wasnt exactly busted in close quarters because if you missed like 3 bullets on an M or H, or didnt get any headshots, you need a reload to win the fight. idk, i thought it was in a reasonably balanced place before, just needed to lower the range or give it bullet spread at 70+m distance.

scenic robin
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Bring mesh shield back that change was not needed

alpine pebble
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nerf the pike , cl-40 and the model

clear hemlock
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Every season is so close but yet so far. S1 was a practice run so bad balance and ranked. S2 had bad ranked transparency but pretty good balance. S3 made terminal attack ranked and added winch, one of the dumbest decisions. S4 is basically worse than S1 balance wise in this long range, infinite health, boring medium meta. Although casual is still very fun

frosty swallow
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embark: wtf did you do to the game i have crashed more in s4 than than every other season combined (ive been playing regularly since s1) i just llost a tourney to ran up because of it its useless fix your game of the gamebreaking glitches before "fixing lights" for like the 20th time

broken citrus
lunar trench
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there should be a money rain event in cash grab where lots of coins are everywhere outside/ on roofs and everyone just has to fight over some great collection of coins.

slim sun
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so

dense marlin
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Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

dire escarp
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NERF BOTH NADE LAUNCHERS

uneven dagger
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hey uh embark, what the FREAK are you doing? why the shoot are you guys not doing anything like what the freak man, fix "MY*" game that "I" play, i bet you guys didnt even make the game. nexon did obviously, nerf only what "I" want you to nerf please

wispy sand
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Please figure out a way to award more objective points for moving the active cashout, defending it, stopping steals. Combat score doesn't win the game like objective score does, you can win the game with 0 combat score.

paper rose
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If you get defibbed you get a few seconds of cooldown to all your abilities, I think this might help to reduce MMM triple defib and make defib more tactical and fair

distant pagoda
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you guys think we're finally getting a pike and cl nerf tomorrow?

craggy basin
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Buff cl40 (this is a meme post so actually nerf cl40)

lapis elbow
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WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK THE PIKE IS OP. ITS MID

valid cradle
cyan wadi
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can we finally fix the optimization and general issues with lag and freezing especially on kyoto

last mirage
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controversial opinion; L inconsistency in terms of use from weapons, gadgets, and specialization are what make the class not fun to fight against and make the class weaker because of it. L has 150 hp, he has the fastest movement speed, but has low ads movement speed and firing movement speed when used with an automatic. semi auto weapons and shotguns are strong as hell with L for letting the user have tons of movement while firing. L weapons have a fast time to kill if not extremely good burst damage material, where even if you died trying to fight 2 people with the double barrel shotgun, you have wounded the enemy so badly that the team can clean up what you have started. L can't secure kills because of his health, yet the time to kill is so fast that whenever light joins a H/M, H/H, or M/M team they tend to be useful like everyone else. L can't be useful when fighting off on there own. L/L/L teams aren't that good in competitive because they can't be independent, which makes him weak. L has no passive combat movement other than relying on specialization, L mainly rely on dash to make them have combat movement because of how fragile they are. the idea of ambushing people with cloak and or using grappling hooks gets overlooked when you have the chance to survive off on your own in fights instead of relying on the team to tank damage. the dash is not fun to fight, because of it pairing well with burst damage and it being a crutch for L. the gadgets usefulness range from throwing 3 smokes that block sightlines of your team and the enemy in a small area. to being able to block cashout steals and controlling movement/specialization of targets with the stun gun. there are so many highs-highs and low-lows for use in gadgets that most of the high tier gadgets that are picked are not fun to fight and they are not fun to use either. some weapons/gadgets/specialization become mandatory for L to flourish and when they get nerfed, it will reveal how weak the class is.

red echo
rough oasis
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I feel like the Mesh Shield nerf homogenizes heavies a fair bit!

It feels like charge and slam is the definitive best option, with Goo and Winch being still good but not as powerful as Charge. With the current state of mesh shield, it feels very punitive to play with. The original lack of cooldown allowed it to be quite versatile, and in my personal experience, never found it overtuned or painful to play against (as any class). If its relevant, I used Charge until Winch got added, and only looked back to Charge with this season. While I only used the Mesh Shield Specialization in Powershift, I feel like itā€™s not as good since I would rather run goo gun or winch because of Meshā€™s long cooldown.

I also think that there needs to be more hype with the announcers, with a unique line for something like a last second steal/finish!

vapid sand
true hornet
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Yeah dude, refusing to nerf medium weapons is great for the game!

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worn horizon
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i really like the idea to destroy the hologram from defibrilator. mid combat brainless revives are maybe gone this way, one grenade could deny the revive. or maybe you can glitch barrel/grenade the defib hologram before its revived > would give LIGHT some more value in higher ranked

coral turtle
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Ranked is so fucked up 0 balance unplayable

signal basin
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I still don't know what to do to get getting up in ranked while playing solo.

Losing 8K points in 2 days. Matchin with levle 20 players.
Getting destroy by CL40 + mines + RPG + nades + turret.

What a nice season to play light in The Finals. Thank you or getting me bored on this game. It was hard to success this

Oh and I forgot about when you're only 2 in squads but fuck yourself and lose points anyway.

Thank you Embark for destroy the love I've got for your game. It's dead now for me

tame nimbus
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They need a br in this game

paper hare
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Please don't nerf charge and slam, it's like the only reason I enjoy playing the game

smoky gust
tropic root
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rocketjump heavy

autumn sedge
mellow narwhal
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can we pls nerf model pike and cl pls this meta is so brain numbing

hollow badger
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make embark team play against 3 stack using cl40

dense marlin
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Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to controller

exotic ledge
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this is a fun game

frosty swallow
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EMBARK FUCKING LLET US LEAVE TA PLEASE ITS NOT A COMP GAMEMODE ITS A MEME NOBODY LIKES IT LET US LEVAE

shrewd rapids
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Make PlayStation voice chat play through the controller speaker

mental compass
chilly hinge
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I think the servers just went down , atleast for tournament

alpine pebble
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nerf the cl-40 day 14 saying this

tulip steppe
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@patent wind Damn F****** right man. These weapons can easily be countered but you know lights man...jump into a warzone kill thirsty and get shat on.

Embark destroyed the heavy class and barely nerfed mediums. The light class has always been crap and it'll prolly be like that for a while unless it also gets some weapon buffs....even then its still gonna be somewhat useless for teamplay.

waxen grove
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Are they still on vacation, nerf the CL ffs one week in the new season and it's already annoying.

patent wind
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all yall complaining about ranked:
its been 2 weeks. wait until everything settles and it will be way more fair (ie ppl are still doing placements etc)

paper rose
cursive thorn
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Hey where would I report clipping issues

last mirage
# clever hawk There are two Gadgets that have maintained almost 100% pickrates ever since the ...

RPG is such a good damage booster and overall utility that everyone runs it 24/7. its hard to let go because of the damage, and destruction it does for ranged heavy. its also useful for the long ranged chip damage for melee heavy. now that the RPG is slowly getting balanced for ranged heavy, melee heavy doesn't have enough chip damage at times to rush the enemy before they kill you. So they need to make a new gadget that can act as a secondary weapon for heavy. it should be overlooked for ranged heavy but can be useful for melee heavy. its much more easier to play ranged than melee at this point, and by balancing the RPG to only be used for ranged heavy, you neglect half of heavy's weapons doing so. there is no consistent bunkering for melee heavy since dome shield and mesh have been balanced properly for ranged. any specialization/gadget that can be good with melee, can be better with ranged. we need a melee specific gadget for heavy. otherwise people are gonna complain about heavy not having good melee even though its the most punishing.

lapis elbow
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@red echo I think YOURE bad if youā€™re getting destroyed by it because the only weapon I FEAR is the AKM.
@autumn sedge coward. Real light mains face off against the meta.
Glitch grenade should cancel revives. Huge buff to lights.
@tulip steppe the only way you make lights more viable is to make them shred even faster. Having to win fights before the guy even looks at you makes the skill floor extremely high

craggy basin
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I am playing world tour until ranked is fair

misty jasper
signal basin
daring musk
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theres at least 5 grenade luanchers in each ranked match. you cant even go into a room and you die in 2 seconds

copper lark
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streamer mode plz, even if its simple. just want something
Hiding enemy names is not at all streamer mode

molten trail
fair bough
shrewd rapids
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It's really hard to hear voice chat without a headset on Playstation because it doesn't come through the controller speaker

vernal ridge
tropic root
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Please add in a badge for the weapon level you are using. Or something else that isn't a skin to show-off weapon level.

woeful arch
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Really unhappy about the headshot challenge, of 50 headshots over 50meter range. I don't mind if I have to try new weapons - like I did not mind having to do headshots from any distance the last season's headshot goals. But having to completely change my preferred gameplay (melee) in order to achieve a goal is excessive. I have zero clue how to play like a sniper, and no interest in it either - I can guarantee I won't continue to play as a sniper after completing this goal, if I ever manage to. Feeling like I'm wasting everyone's time and having terrible association with the game while working on this.

glacial salmon
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Eyo its tuesday where is the early patch not for the hard** CL40 REVERT** let it die in the ditch

jagged cedar
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Remove the ability to see people's rs before the round is over.

deep sierra
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If they just buff other weapons like fcar and xp and all the other under performing guns they donā€™t have to nerf anything.

odd ibex
# daring musk theres at least 5 grenade luanchers in each ranked match. you cant even go into ...

Exactly my experience šŸ’„

Itā€™s been disgusting to play lately time to kill overall is crazy fast right not to mention cl40 bs

First of all devs reverted and buffed most weapons for a faster time to kill but didnā€™t revert dash,it was a problem with weaker weapons past season not now,atleast buff dash by 1.2sec

Have grapple hook stick to any surface indefinitely for vertical map positioning

Dagger time to backstab is way too slow and single tap stab needs to be back plus u can also hold,itā€™s almost unplayable now,especially when u r against any decent play

keen lily
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this is insane, you complain that people do not play heavy, but try to fucking play it with what you did to medium, there is no point, everything kills you super fast

clever hawk
# last mirage RPG is such a good damage booster and overall utility that everyone runs it 24/7...

Youā€™re right however melee weapons in general are just not nearly as complex as they need to be for viability.

Their implementation is very basic & the result is that theyā€™re more gimmick than weapon. Strong against noobs & increasingly useless against more competent opponents.

Minor movement, ranged, & defensive attributes are necessary for their viability, but I donā€™t see the devs ever putting in the work to essentially recreate them from scratch.

As such I think they should only be taken into minimal consideration when balancing. Especially in urgent instances like with the RPG.

keen abyss
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Just played a powershift match on Monaco and its sad to see this game come to people just sitting far asf with pike and a guy just spamming the platform like wtf bro i literally couldnā€™t play the game like im really thinking about dropping this unbalanced ass game cause wtf bru

coral turtle
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well they can just force only one player in the team can pick CL 40 and like that it will be little bit fair

lethal wolf
wraith orchid
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lets add the mechanic that you can see enemy health bars if you point at them with a prop like chair, flowers etc.

dense marlin
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Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to control

sonic wigeon
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FIX UR CHEATING PROBLEM. SO MANY IN RANKED THAT CHEATS

iron bough
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Everyone talking about how CL-40 is OP or stupid stuff, while Embark is nerfing rewards to increase multibucks sales. The BP takes longer to complete, and this season is shorter. Embark wtf šŸ’€

glacial plaza
pseudo breach
drowsy vector
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The spawn system sucks at it is now. If you wipe a team and go to the cash out, they spawn right next to it before youā€™re there yourself

lean hinge
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i am upset because i was in a easy lobby but my temate did not join so i lost because it was a 2v3v3v3 i lost so much becuase it was an easy lobby

patent wind
glacial salmon
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Feedback zone, talk like this ima just report you to moderation and watch you get restricted

tulip steppe
past ridge
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PLEASE NERF CL-40 AND CHEATERS ISSUE!

still spruce
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World tour is pretty much unplayable as a light. EVERY team has a cl-40 that just melts. There arenā€™t any light weapons that can counter it fast enough aside from sniper (letā€™s be real, pretty much no one is playing sniper in a tourney). Every gamemode should be at least playable for each class.

Nerf the damn CL-40 already. It was absolutely fine before the buff. Melted lights, could still kill heavies fast enough and was OK against other mediums. Itā€™s a damn explosive weapon meant for doing splash damage to several people, not for absolutely destroying everyone that comes close, or even far away from that matter. Iā€™ve seen 3 mediums with CL-40 jumping on a bounce pad over and over from one cash out and blowing up another cash out from across the map. Itā€™s the dumbest shit Iā€™ve ever seen

finite wagon
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all i'm saying is, if a sniper loses at this range against the pike then what's the actual point of picking this firearm anymore

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lapis elbow
delicate basin
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So bow vs pike fights are fun...

odd ibex
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Very cheap with battle pass and the good things they
make people pay

Rework ideas

3 health beam plus defib itā€™s crazy,health beam needs to start off at a slow pace for medium and especially heavies and then heal at a normal rate.

Pike is so strange,itā€™s like a way better revolver,if u could add a more zoomed sight for revolver it would be perfect.
A camping medium with pikeā€™s long range and high fire rate is crazy to deal with.
Pike is a better lh with more health as medium,bad new entry as a weapon.

Pike needs a total hip fire nerf and lower fire rate.

Data reshaper rework should be if u reshape 3 orange barrels then u get one time use of a pyro grenade or gas if u get green canister or glitch grenade if u get 3 blue barrels,your team mates can gather them,so there is teamwork!

Gravity boots for wall running?

Lights grapple should be stuck to surfaces for vertical positions and scouting from interesting vertical angles or ambush,use grapple to pull team mates idols for revives.

sonic wigeon
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To many cheaters in ranked. Ban them already.
New map is just a CTRL C + CTRL V ..

stray rampart
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Add a skin similar to this, and emote too

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crystal storm
dense marlin
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Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to control

rancid dagger
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please nerf cl40! Its so fricking strong

patent wind
steel forge
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CL40 is SUCH an issue lmao

sudden tangle
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embark will u make light viable in the meta tomorrow? if not, i will probably stop playing for good

advice: separate balance for comp and competitive @mossy marsh

ocean parrot
tulip steppe
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Ngl I get very sensitive when someone says "nerf the cl40" lol. Not that I use it but stillšŸ’€

zinc scarab
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Mesh Shield Skin Idea

Add mesh shield skins based on what sponsor you have signed for. Showing the logo for the sponsor or something similar.
Could be also added to dome.
versed hazel
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CL-40 buff better be coming in tomorrow's update or I will quit

rough storm
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!FLASH ALERT!

-Buff CL40 to make it nuclear and fully automatic
-Double the damage on Pike + no recoil
-If you get hit by a Model your PC should crash
-Make sword-wielders invincible AND perm invisible
-Nerf Mesh-shield so you can only use it once a day.

And all this should be done within 70 bsns days as of today!

dim root
tacit patrol
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Why does playing a tanky character make me feel more vulnerable than playing a light character?

How is someone supposed to play the slowest, biggest hitbox in the game if you took 1/3 of the self defense away? I joke: playing heavy is just taking damage and running away at this point..

Like if you want to make dome shields or barricades useless at least give them a fast deployment time instead of taking five years to place.

I run goo grenades now because I literally die before I can place the barricades or dome shields 90% of the time.

You made the class with the least amount of people playing it, also the worst performing with the S4 patch..

90% of people don't want to play tank, why ruin it for the 10% who do

surreal meadow
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**EMBARK!!

DROP 5v5 CASH

AND MY WALLET IS YOURS!!! Day 32/100 šŸ—£ļø šŸ—£ļø šŸ”„**

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languid flint
past ridge
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Firstly, the weapon CL-40 appears to be disproportionately powerful compared to other options available in the game. Its damage output, range, and overall effectiveness make it a dominant choice,I believe a proper adjustment or nerf to its stats would greatly improve the balance and competitiveness within the game, ensuring a more enjoyable experience for all players.

Secondly, the presence of cheaters has become increasingly disruptive. Many players are exploiting the system through hacks or cheats, which undermines the fairness of the game. This not only frustrates honest players but also negatively impacts the gameā€™s reputation as a competitive and fair platform. I strongly recommend implementing stricter anti-cheat measures, as well as enhancing the reporting system to swiftly identify and ban cheaters.

pure forum
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Plz embark! I really like your game with around 700h.. I like the new map! But the balancing is really really bad! Plz fix this! I want that funny game back! Not that noobie CL!

tender arch
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Game crashed for the third time of the day. When will you fix this Embark?

pseudo breach
thorn kelp
carmine token
# tacit patrol Why does playing a tanky character make me feel more vulnerable than playing a l...

The "lights have the lowest win rate at ranked" post from Embark has given infinite ammo to Lights for the rest of time to justify the worst balancing opinions imagineable. It also allows them to take zero accountability for ever losing. And considering how many people here were upset about Sniper nerfs, there's an 80% chance most of them are allergic to being within 50 meters of their team.

The devs' idea of balancing seems to be to nerf any gadgets and specializations that slightly disrupt the act of shuut, so none of your buffs are happening. You will be a big slow shuut and you will fight small fast shuuts and you will be happy.

tough merlin
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I've seen very few complaints about the rank system. you have literally no impact on your rank in the current system if you go 0/20 you get the exact same rank increase as if you go 20/1. your entire team gets the same rank increase dependent on where you place.

Obviously you have impact in the way of if you go 0/20 it makes it way harder on your team but in terms of actual rank changes your stats don't matter just as long as your team can carry you you'll go up the same rs as them.

I know most games come down to win/lose but usually your performance has a slight impact on the increases/loss. Unless im mistaken Finals use to as well?

violet matrix
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Delete cl-40 is so pathetic gun for pathetic players

amber herald
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Fix ranked

clever hawk
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Small mechanical tweaks and incentives will NEVER fix the game-ruining issue of third-partying. Spawns that flip on a whim & Cashouts that finish at differing times guarantee this.

You need to take a far more proactive role in separating the match into two 1v1s.

Assign each Vault to a Cashout Station. Increase their proximity. Only highlight their indicators in yellow - leave the opposing ones dull grey.

If the two Cashouts are completed within a ~30 second window then swap the team matchups assigned to each Vault and subsequent Cashout.

Lock team respawns to their assigned Cashout.

Tactical third-parties will still be possible but will:
A. Largely be contained to players that intentionally make this decision, dramatically reducing the overall number
B. Be harder to secure as death will respawn you all the way back at your assigned Cashout

sleek fossil
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remove cl40 or nerf it..

umbral crypt
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i feel like the 50 headshots at 50 meters challenge is a bad idea because it promotes avoiding teamplay and is all around annoying for all parties. I have to sit super far from objectives to hope to get headshots and then my teammates are alone, the enemy gets annoyed because theres someone super far away poking them constantly, and i get frustrated when a map doesn't have 50 meter ranges to shoot from. The reward is also only 6000 xp but this challenge has taken me far longer than the 12k xp challenge did.

tranquil mango
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this game sucks,, ty for the cl40 buff IT DEFINITELY MAKES A REALLY SKILLFUL GAMEPLAY

glacial salmon
analog grail
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Right, so playing sandstorm map. Final round, and enemy team glitches the cashbox into the ground. Impossible to continue the game...

real saffron
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cl40 needs to go

topaz berry
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Increase CL40's self-infliction damage, make it dangerous and hard to use against closer enemies

cold bolt
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if there isn't a pike nerf tomorrow idc what else is in the update I'm not playing ranked until it is lol

high elo meta is utterly insufferable while pike exists in its current state

pearl crater
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CL 40 getting buffed is really the most stupid thing they have done they nerfed rpg cuz it was doing a lot of damage and it was the right thing to do decreased damage to 100 and then they buffed a weapon with 4 bullets, each one doing 117 wtf and increasing damage range wow all you need to kill any players is shooting the ground and get them killed If you meet one using cl40 you will get destroyed no matter what you do. You have no chance and imagine a team using cl40 omg you can't run can't fight them and if you just choose to hide in a room you will be deadĀ  what an update

violet matrix
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Delete cl-40 is so pathetic gun for pathetic players

iron sleet
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game is getting less and less fun.. played approx 50 tournaments since S4 dropped and maybe 4 of them were just remotely balanced

last mirage
# clever hawk Youā€™re right however melee weapons in general are just not nearly as complex as ...

yeah I understand that, however it shouldn't have to be a gimmick. this would only require the creation of one gadget to make half of all weapons for heavy to be more viable in competitive. dismissing it as something not important because of the aspects of what makes it weak is why some weapons get labeled as a "gimmick" to begin with. heavy has 9 weapons, 5 of them are long ranged, and only 3 of them are considered viable choices in comp. people will get bored of those 3 weapons very quickly especially when they nearly play the same. the other 4 weapons are very close range with 3 of them having an area of influence (so no small chip damage). for people playing the game its much more fun and experimental for players to have different playstyles other than what's meta, casually or not. heavy benefits from defenses in general no matter what. buffing defenses helps ranged players as well as melee, so we cant just buff up defenses. so why cant we add a bit of chip damage at medium range for melee heavy? it would make short ranged weapons feel better since you aren't just relying on the enemy being new to the game and not immediately running away from you. It would make holding out cashouts in the middle of nowhere better to handle for melee heavy since they aren't just praying on your own defenses constantly. and it would make melee heavy have more viability with the team when used properly. even if you just made a m1911 with only a clip of ammo that has to be regenerated like the tracking dart, and only does 60% of a mediums health with a full clip of ammo, melee heavy would have more use from it than ranged heavy. it would be copying the same type of design with the pyro from team fortress 2. diving into enemies is a dumb plan to do no matter what class, so instead of having melee heavy relying on only there primary to do damage, lets give him a gadget that acts like a secondary to play a bit of distance. that was what the RPG was doing in the first place for melee.

thorny lynx
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Day 12 of saying CL-40 users are capri sun drinking weebs who never got tucked in or hugged..... never had Santa bring them gifts and never had anything good in their life until .... low and behold... the OP META SKILLESS GL came into their life. Look things are totally balanced now. I love this game!

steady vortex
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Pike and CL-40 are feeling very OP to me but overall I think weapons are in a good spot

sleek fossil
deep summit
young canopy
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THE CL-40 DESTROYS EVERY ROUND, THE MATCHMAKING IS BACK TO BEING AWFUL (I dodged to world tournament because there are "less" grenade launchers and I'm bronze 2 still, my enemies are already high diamond and 2k plus wins ???????? )

formal sphinx
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Can the halo around players be removed? It completely negates any kind of. Stealth play.

dusty totem
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embork pls

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delicate notch
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I really hope you will be addressing the CL40 this week. I rather face the heavy nukes again than this.

signal basin
clever hawk
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Small mechanical tweaks and incentives will NEVER fix the game-ruining issue of third-partying. Spawns that flip on a whim & Cashouts that finish at differing times guarantee this.

You need to take a far more proactive role in separating the match into two 1v1s.

Assign each Vault to a Cashout Station. Increase their proximity. Only highlight their indicators in yellow - leave the opposing ones dull grey.

If the two Cashouts are completed within a ~30 second window then swap the team matchups assigned to each Vault and subsequent Cashout.

Lock team respawns to their assigned Cashout.

Tactical third-parties will still be possible but will:
A. Largely be contained to players that intentionally make this decision, dramatically reducing the overall number
B. Be harder to secure as death will respawn you all the way back at your assigned Cashout

surreal meadow
tranquil storm
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As a dagger enjoyer of previous seasons, I have realised that this new alternative attack is much better than the previous one due to how consistent the backstab is now. However I feel that the increase in charge time, combined with the movement penalty makes it very difficult to use against good opponents because of their level of awareness and acuraccy with guns.

Reducing the charge-up for the secondary attack and adding the option to sprint should be a good place to start to improve it's performance

quaint forge
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Please fucking buff the medium katanas and give me actual teammates

real saffron
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at least double the aps to 6 blocks ffs

stuck topaz
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Hi, Embark balance department! Say why you don't get payday for doctor? Or i don't understand, how much chromosomes you have to make cl40 like current. I wish you really will got faired

balmy flume
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Triple medium stack Kills the game since Removal of nukes (which was a good thing) Whatever nerf you do on Defib and heal beam or delete recon senses, or nerf the weapon, it doesn't matter, the problem is not the tools of any class L/M/H, the problem is having 3 classes choices but having games with 90% of 3 stacks med because they are the most broken class when you pick 3 of it or even 2 of it, but ofc a MMM beats a MM(L/H) anw ;

Lock the queues to 1-1-1 in ranked match, maybe not world tour but at least ranked. (one light, one medium, one heavy that you choose while launching the matchmaking, like OW or LOL for most known exemples), please.

hasty oriole
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Yeah the meta sucks right now.... This patch desperately needs balance changes. Pike needs more visual recoil and damage fall off. Model needs damage fall off. CL needs more self damage. RPG needs less cooldown or two charges. Revert XP and LH1. Buff glitch grenade explosion range. Revert Mesh. Revolver needs less damage fall off. Buff less utilized weapons/gadgets. Ranked is just pike and model and if you have an off-meta teammate its an L. It's already stale.

neon siren
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nerf the fucking CL40 PLEASE half of all ranked lobbies are just mediums charging you with CL40s barely taking any splash damage from their own explosives

graceful snow
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From season 1 to now I managed to more or less successfully main heavy with melee weapons. But I just cant anymore, MMM is too oppressive. Everygame feels like either playing against snipers only or mostly snipers with a few cl40 abusers. No fun at all

last mirage
wraith orchid
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ok guys i have a take that may be controversial but is still interesting to think about.

embark wants to bring every class in line and equalize their pick- and winrates.

since light will always be the most fun class, there is only one option to equalize pickrates.

  • giving every class a unique utility that has a high value to the team and synergises with the other classes. doing this will lead to a team missing a certain utility to use the teams full potential IF there is a class missing.

technically this is already the case through specs and a few gadgets. but there are still a few problems.

1st: lights primary power is speed/movement AND recon. the problem here is, that mediums primary power is heal/support AND movement.
there is the problem.
the fact that medium can provide so much movement power for the team (through gadgets) its taking away the meaning of lights utility.

ideas:

-give light a gadget that can boost the whole teams moving speed like a adrenaline grenadešŸ« 

  • take away mediums zipline and give it to heavy, to reduce the movement utility of medium, so light movement can be the best in its utility again.

  • there are too little gadgets that match the different classes primary roles and are bound to one class alone.

CONCEPT:

-every class can have more than one primary role
-the different specs are the indicator of the role and there should be more gadgets that match with the different specs to create and expand the different roles.

  • of course you can always choose your whole loadout like now so you could choose a loadout that doesnt really match a certain role.

-BUT, matching gadgets to different specs creates unique utility for the team so everyone is happy to have any class in his team.

  • the goal is to make a M/H/L team the team with the highest potential because every class brings some sort of high value to the team that none of the other classes can

lmk if this sounds like smth to think aboutšŸ˜ƒšŸ«¶šŸ»

ly embark

fathom aurora
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delete this channel already

zealous pulsar
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i pray for someone to decide to change the "50 headshots from 50+ meters" challenge to something more reasonable, because like this i am never going to be able to complete it: whatever anti aliasing method i use i can never see people clearly enough from 50 meters away, people just melt into their background the second they move.

even if i was able to complete it i would still have a problem with it: why are you encouraging sniping in powershift? is it not bad enough already?

i can guarantee that whatever challenge is thrown at me in the next stage of the engimo circuit i'll be able to do it, but this one just causes me mental anguish.

left hollow
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I along with many others have been cursed with the 50 headshots from 50+ meters.. Terrible choice that makes powershift and so many modes worse by keeping people away from the objectives.

silent fog
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Please remove kyoto from WT/Ranked. The map is awful. Feels like it gets picked way too often too. Getting sick and tired of that failure of a map. I'll start taking penalties again because it's better than playing kyoto.

iron bough
vale harness
thorn gulch
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Just disable contracts for powershift, this gamemode is unplayable when any type of sniping/light contract exists

lapis gyro
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Sucks that only dualsense controllers have native gyro support. I imagine its a nightmare working with nintendo on such things so I get it, but ignoring sdl2 gyro input seems like an unnecessary overstep that rules out using 90% of third party controllers on the market that could go the Switch Pro -> DS4Windows route.

coarse oar
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i love when i get a teammate who is literally brand new and I have to go against people with 20k kills

feral tendon
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Is there anywhere I can report bugs? The finals has always ran so smooth with no lag but recently the past 3 weeks Iā€™ve had these problems.

  1. When I invite my friend to my party they donā€™t show up in my party right away, I have to wait around 3-5 minutes for them to show up.

  2. At times when Iā€™m searching for a game with my party, they join the game while mine still says searching.

  3. After a game when clicking continue after the end scores/stats it sometimes gets stuck saying ā€œconnectingā€ and I never get back to the lobby and the only way is to close out the game and reopen it.

All of these happen with my duo, I havenā€™t tried squads or trio.

Itā€™s all odd to me since Iā€™ve never had issues with the game and Iā€™ve been playing since the beta.

slender cipher
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Seriously, I've said it twice (That being in BOTH season 2, and in season 3.), I'll say it again. Stop with the distance challenges for weeklies, you are influencing bad player behavior. Lost some ranked matches and power shift matches just because people are so dead focused on completing their weeklies instead of playing the objective. The culprit being this week for 50 headshots (doesn't have to be kills) from 50 meters away or longer. The problem isn't obtaining the headshots, if it weren't for the distance engagement at 50 meters or more, it wouldn't be a problem.

quick coyote
upper citrus
patent wind
sinful perch
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I swear if the turret doesn't get nerfed I will uninstall that game
They are unbalenced and the only good counter are gadgets
Im not removing one of my gadgets just to counter turrets
Please nerf them
It makes 4 people on the platform in powershift turn into 8 people

worn galleon
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The game is a game

burnt notch
quasi dagger
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I am gold 2. I am launching a game where I am with a gold and an Unranked. The first is level 20, the second level 17. As you can imagine. Eliminated in the first round and -1100 for my rank. How do you want to make a competitive game with matchmaking like this.

ALT-F4 -> Uninstall.

clever hawk
# upper citrus Third parties are really only an issue because of the bad spawn system. If you a...

Strategy canā€™t really account for the shit spawn system if youā€™re in an even lobby - which you should be in Ranked.

Itā€™s an inevitability that third-parties will happen because of the game itself, not player decision, & itā€™s horrid when it happens regardless of whether or not you survive.

The asymmetric Cashout times can also give teams that finish early a free shot at butting in at the end if the conditions are right.

static orchid
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Diamonds should not be facing silvers and gold's in rank, can we tighten up the matchmaking?

jagged cedar
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charge completely invalidating melee weapons gets really exhausting after a while

red echo
rugged temple
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It was always very strong.

weary pine
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Yup i went from Mesh to Charge after the nerf. Mesh is dogwater now.

tawdry oak
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Delete cl-40 is so pathetic gun for pathetic players

turbid mortar
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Probably been said by others, but the switch from circuit stages providing one piece of a complete outfit to just giving xp now is an objective downgrade. I get that clothing assets take time and resources to create, but a lot of them are already color swaps anyway, which I think most people are fine with. I feel way less motivated to complete challenges when the only reward is a skin for a gun I hardly use if I complete absolutely everything. Please consider bringing back the old circuit rewards system.

orchid osprey
quick coyote
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Let us wear watches with multi gloves / more glove types.

Also let us wear a watch with the duskvane jacket how itā€™s shown in the art for S4

tame owl
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Add a 5-10 minute wait-time punishment for purposefully leaving a non-competitive mode.

torpid sky
simple hull
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yeah, f this game until cl40 is nerfed

honest verge
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Tempted to quit games with 8-10+ mediums. It's not an enjoyable match getting playing against nade launchers, dmrs, and defib trains

frigid horizon
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Add a skin for the double barrel that's just 2 handfuls of pellets
It'll be awesome

crystal storm
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surely they will do an actual balance patch šŸ’€ surely not a third week of the season launch bricked

nocturne remnant
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I don't understand how it is possible that the devs didn't nerf the CL-40 yet, broke the game on so many levels

oblique spindle
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If RPG does more damage to yourself i donā€™t see why CL-40 shouldnā€™t be the same way

silent fog
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Please let there be a good patch tomorrow. This season was supposed to be good after s3 but somehow you made it way worse

civic thistle
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can yall please nerf the cl. its annoying to fight against

red echo
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devs are just testing us man , if we somehow survive this shit meta they gonna do worse stuff

fading sinew
#

Embark,

Your work ethic clearly shows. Not only do I get booted from mid game, but when I join, you give me default settings?

Fix your games issues because this is ridiculous.

dim root
modern ether
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Just want to say embark, you are pulling a overwatch and thats very bad, you need to respond faster

cinder folio
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when the game goes into overtime, the crowd shouldn't shout 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, etc. because it doesn't make sense šŸ˜œ

graceful snow
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pikes killing u within 1 sec from 100m away, teams spawning on u and ur vault after wiping them first fight, MMM meta, maps falling apart after coughing and fucking my fps, vaults and cashouts too close to each other, nerfing heavys even more, i loved this game since season 1 but this just feels so horrible to play atm, canĀ“t wait for the heavy nerfs tomorrow

coral turtle
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This season is fun for those who play cl 40 and its fuckinnng funny for those who play against 3 or 2 with CL40

humble cloud
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When are match cancellations coming Iā€™m tired of having 2 ppl on a squad atleast Let us FF with no ban time

tough merlin
# graceful snow pikes killing u within 1 sec from 100m away, teams spawning on u and ur vault af...

Idk how you say you love this game from season 1. When the only thing that's really changed is pikes and nerfs to heavies (tho they've nerfed everyone, Since you played season one you remember scar, that was a medium nerf >.> warrented but its not fair to act like heavy is the only class that's been nerfed since season 1)

Everything else has literally been a thing since season 1, the spawns, the maps (like the season 1 maps haven't changed) there have been new ones ofc., the fps, Shoot when the giant building on seoul randomly decides to crumble (which has been a thing since the ob) it use to literally bring your fps down to 1.

there's been some cashout changes penalty wise which wasn't a season 1 thing, but you didn't mention those so.

unreal fossil
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I've been there from the start, but if a balance patch that steers the game into a healthier direction doesn't come out tomorrow, I'll probably end up taking a break, for the first time since its release.

This Medium > All meta is really wearing down my patience and interest.

Oddly enough Heavy feels less satisfying to play despite having received weapons buffs. Gutting Heavy of its defensive strength patch after patch, especially making the MS so weak pushes the class to a playstyle I don't really like.

weak valley
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I like goo-ing things up!

graceful snow
# tough merlin Idk how you say you love this game from season 1. When the only thing that's rea...

The spawns changed with s4. Before you had enough time to plant the vault into a cashout before they came for you. Now you teamwipe them first fight and they spawn inbetween you and the cashout. This didnt happen in s3 nor in s2. Also Heavys and Lights were a thing before this season. Now you have to play M, because their weapons are just abusively op right now. From a heavy perspective this game is no fun right now and i dont want to play these boring ass medium assault rifles. I want to play this game in my own individual style but this season this just became impossible if u want to win.

livid urchin
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i've just lost a match in which i was alone the whole time, because no teammates connected, so i lost and deranked, with no possibility to quit the game and search for another, otherwise i got banned... is this fair? I've played this game since day one and this is my reward, thanks embark.

slender oasis
#

need more customizations on the controller sensitivity still

red echo
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pls we need static crosshair while ADS

honest verge
#

MMM utility stacking feels way too strong to play against

restive crescent
iron bough
#

100% exp if you play with friends, xddd??? Embark 80% of this community is forever alone.

violet matrix
#

Deleite cl-40 is so pathetic gun for pathetic players

fresh wraith
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How is the game running this badly on the xbox series s??? It ran completely fine before the last update of season 3, and is still a constant issue in season 4. The framedrops are actually so unbearably gigantic it might be on the verge of crashing, iā€™ve never seen a game run worse than this. And no other game is lagging for me, so its really the game thats lagging. I really like this game and want nothing more than for it to thrive, but when a game is struggling to even run normally, its really hard to keep those desires

fading trail
#

Add an option to turn off crossplay with PC only

sage rose
river coral
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I just have the most horrendous frame drops in Kyoto. All the other maps are working fine. Even fortunate Stadium. Kyoto wasn't this bad in S3

vale stream
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never have i played a game with worse fps i put everything on low and im still frame dropping like a mf

supple osprey
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okay if youre the type of person to sit here and make your teammates use tokens on world tour and then have no more and fucking emote the last 3 mins and leaving a person and his friend on fucking hold, i expect a grave for you soon and PLEASE EMBARK FIND A WAY TO COUNTER THIS.

restive crescent
thorny lynx
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SIIIICCKKKKKK another M,M,H running CL-40 and MGL..... not broken at all. We all better see this fixed ASAP.... like tomorrow patch

stone hazel
#

can you make defib go on cooldown when you get revived via defib so a team cant keep chaining them together over and over and then we have to fight a team of six people instead of three

violet matrix
#

Delete cl-40 is so pathetic gun for pathetic players

glad girder
#

Can we add a kill banner instead of the eliminated (username) the concept will be like a skull or a logo for different skins like csgo and valorant

frigid wasp
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If you donā€™t nerf cl40, embark, Iā€™ll quit the finals because this gun is not fun to play nor to play against

worn horizon
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i got banned for 10 minutes, yeah no big deal but embark said "you will >NOT< be penalized, please embark fix your wording to avoid such problems, this gets me really angry because you baited me into getting a timeout

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glacial knot
royal gust
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As someone in the top 500 rn or close to it. Skip#2347. I want to highly suggest you actually nerf CL-40 and Sword. Right now the only people that get a penalty are people who can actually aim. Some weirdo who never played fps in their life can pick up a CL-40 and wipe a whole lobby for whilst there's no skill needed. Now that 3rd partying is WORSE than ever, people being clumped up together makes it even easier for the CL-40 players. Sword on Light should be massively nerfed and I don't comprehend why that has not been done last week. Honestly, if this keeps on going as a player with like almost 800+ steam hours and is close to getting diamond. I actually am thinking about quitting the game if things like this cant be nerfed. Same for Pike tbf. What the hell is going on with that? You guys have not gotten the balancing right at all this season. Another last part, the ranked system is the absolute worst it has ever been. I get put in "very easy lobbies" on 36,5k RS. whilst I have to play against 6-7 teams that have like 44k RS and are in the top 10. I gain around 300rs. and lose 1400 rs. in a VERY EASY LOBBY, with solely diamond players having like 8kRS higher than me. Make it make sense? Please fix the game? Atleast make playing against 7 diamond teams "intermediate or challenging and let me gain like 500 rs whilst I have 36,5k myself? This is absolutely horrific. Also take out Kyoto for ranked since itā€™s just not a map for competitive ranked mode at all.

summer yoke
upper citrus
rich heath
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45 fans for coming second in a world tour match seems wierd

gleaming tide
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Buff it.

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rugged temple
versed hazel
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BUFF CL-40
I want my entire game to fully uninstall if I get hit even at the outermost bit of the splash radius and straight up BRICK my PC if I get by a direct impact
it should also be fully automatic and the grenades should actually just be replaced with laser guided missiles

crisp timber
#

I want the cheat ban to be a hardware ban the first time.
Asian servers are hell

nerf CL-40

cheater and cl40 are breaking the balance and game

feral shell
#

plz give AKM its full size mag back. being able to see now is not justification for fewer bullets

sacred glacier
#

remove this shitass map kyoto bro

hasty oriole
#

The three pike M final round match up might be the most un fun thing I've ever experienced... and we won.. but it was just not fun

violet matrix
#

Delete cl-40 is so pathetic gun for pathetic players

pulsar wing
#

is there a plan to add swapping sights mid game?

last mirage
# upper citrus

I mean it would work. if you increased the time it takes to decloak to 0.5-1 second. peoples reaction times usually takes around 1.5 seconds to register something hazardous. the 2 meter reveal radius should be bumped up to 4 meters, however the reveal radius can be done by having the decloaking emit the ambient sound instead of revealing where the person is. for the cloak bomb, I would suggest leaving it as is since it would be more of a hinderance to teammates if it worked the way you suggested it.

broken herald
#

nerf model1887 and cl

umbral swift
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Please make the Thermal Vision work like Cloak in where it works on pressing the gadget keybind, not pulling out a tablet that you then have to click again.

hushed shale
#

FCKN NOOBTUBE SHITSHOW

soft wedge
#

Light melee weapons have gotten so bad they're no longer fun to play with.

timber mesa
#

Can we have a setting in the menu to be able to change the music? We could choose S1-S4 music or choose random to have it play different music each time we boot up the game.

pliant glade
#

can we allow more options for rating a match or even a text box to properly explain why it sucked or was great. Also really sucks when there are times i wish i could rate how a match was and i can't

fervent vortex
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played my first game of the season, heavy is ruined no skill gap, found rpg reload bug in .5 seconds, sick playtesting, and found texture bug on sandstorm letting you be invis, cool playtesting guys, edit: just got sprint bug lets fucking gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

iron bough
mortal notch
#

pike/model triple med meta makes me wanna drink paint stripper ranked is unplayable with how mind numbingly boring it is

past idol
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This section deffo needs a moderator and reactions. Other games do feedback way better than this.

violet matrix
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Delete cl-40 is so pathetic gun for pathetic players

last mirage
# gleaming tide Buff it.

just because the cl40 is overpowered currently doesn't mean you need to buff the aps turret. the aps is fine for what it does currently. we need to just focus on nerfing the aspect of combining gadgets and specialization to make cl-40 balanced and you have to do it while handling that specific weapon. if you don't, then it also affects everyone who don't use that gun, creating a new form of unfun meta. during S1, aps didn't take damage when deleting projectiles, yet cl-40 players used the aps, mines and turret to make it so that people couldn't combat defenses all. even the combos of aps and turret was very oppressive to fight against since you couldn't disable the turret via grenades or goo. aps was too oppressive back in S1 for people trying to get into a defense. so they need to find a way to fix cl40 other than doubling down. @gleaming tide we would also just be running in circles balanced wise with your approach, but whatever it seems you don't want to find the correct solution, you just want to be right.

gleaming tide
tribal spoke
#

Please buff the dual blades in any way the devs feel is right, and fix the deflect/reflect it is bugged! It does not block or reflect consistently

worn horizon
versed hazel
modern ether
#

buff akm

warped reef
#

suggestion to make defibs a specialization, play in final round vs MMM with heals and defibs is so MUCH FUN guys and BUFF CL-40 with sword pls we really need this

sturdy heron
#

Xevroid#9876 blatant ragehacking in top 500 lobbies, i dont have 10 hours to spend submitting video reports that you're going to immediately delete with an automated message about how thoroughly you will investigate the situation so do your own research for once

languid badge
keen abyss
young hamlet
#

Let me make induvial player cards for each of my contestants

mortal notch
#

if 4.2 doesn't change the pike/model meta I'm going to drink paint stripper+fix performance on xbox

thorny parcel
#

Can yall up the octane in the final round ranked. There is no reason teams should be spawning 120m away from cashouts. Just keep the teams spawning in 40-50 m at the location of their choosing with a 15 second wipe penalty.
I hate all the pointless waiting

brave copper
#

Powershift could use some love. Paths with fewer inaccessible areas, less trapped spawns, and maybe some kind of encouragement to play on the point more.

lime lichen
#

give the balance team the recon treatment, REPLACE THEM

dawn valve
#

Devs if you do not make Light a more viable class I am done with the game, I cannot compete with every medium running CL40 plus defib plus turret/heal gun. Even with a 70-80% accuracy I cant kill most people without having to reload, getting me killed. Invis doesn't mean shit to any experienced player who can pick you out of the background instantly. CL40 two taps me, and the pike 3 taps at ANY range plus its easy as hell to control, making my close combat less favored to me. I already have to deal with people double mining dorrs, instantly killing me, and the glitch trap making my tools useless, which will ALWAYS get me killed. I have no inclination to play other classes, and just because people like one class does NOT mean you should make it worse to play just to encourage others.

worn horizon
tall zephyr
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i want a play history, with all stats, with the current rank, its like hell to progress in this game. i dont know how this game balancing works, i play against lvl 63 players with 1k wins and 12k elims, but for some reason in the same lobby, my mates are lvl 36 and have 60 wins. i dont know how both player are in silver 1. maybe its a region thing, but lobbies like these are unplayable, there is no chance to progress. i spent the last few days grinding. started from 17k falling down to 13 and now im up to 17 again, but it seems like the game only gives me the most difficult match ups, when im about the hit gold and it is really just not fun

last mirage
# worn horizon i hope they balance patch tomorrow will fix some issues... right now light is ve...

L inconsistency in terms of use from weapons, gadgets, and specialization are what make the class not fun to fight against and make the class weaker because of it. L has 150 hp, he has the fastest movement speed, but has low ads movement speed and firing movement speed when used with an automatic. semi auto weapons and shotguns are strong as hell with L for letting the user have tons of movement while firing. some of L weapons have a fast time to kill if not extremely good burst damage material, where even if you died trying to fight 2 people with the double barrel shotgun, you have wounded the enemy so badly that the team can clean up what you have started. L can't secure kills because of his health, yet the time to kill is so fast that whenever light joins a H/M, H/H, or M/M team they tend to be useful like everyone else. L can't be useful when fighting off on there own. L/L/L teams aren't that good in competitive because they can't be independent, which makes him weak. L has no passive combat movement other than relying on specialization, L mainly rely on dash to make them have combat movement because of how fragile they are. the idea of ambushing people with cloak and or using grappling hooks gets overlooked when you have the chance to survive off on your own in fights instead of relying on the team to tank damage. the dash is not fun to fight, because of it pairing well with burst damage and it being a crutch for L. the gadgets usefulness range from throwing 3 smokes that block sightlines of your team and the enemy in a small area. to being able to block cashout steals and controlling movement/specialization of targets with the stun gun. there are so many highs-highs and low-lows for use in gadgets that most of the high tier gadgets that are picked are not fun to fight and they are not fun to use either. some weapons/gadgets/specialization become mandatory for L to flourish and when they get nerfed, it will reveal how weak the class is.

iron bough
coarse dew
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nerf cl nerf model nerf pike

violet matrix
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Delete cl-40 is so pathetic gun for pathetic players

minor notch
languid badge
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in the pursuit of the absolutely awful 50m contract, i am getting screamed at nearly every power shift game (the only mode i can find a chance to try for it) as throwing the match. which isn't true, but nobody wants snipers on their team players who don't engage the platform. this contract is hated by both people trying to get it and teammates.

sturdy heron
sudden tangle
upper citrus
tacit patrol
ruby spade
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because it's a gameshow..??

nimble gale
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Pike should have bullet drop just like the sniper, Pike needs a damage nerf, and should'nt have good accuracy while hipfiring it.

last mirage
# iron bough Bro... no one is going to read all that, are you ok?...

I like talking in the forum. I want the game to succeed, so I'm trying to give the devs the right direction on what people want out of balancing. doing long winded texts like these helps identify the problems of certain aspects of the classes, it invites discussion for other players. with discussions like these it can help Embark feel confident in fixing the game for the community. the devs sometimes don't fully know the context to things inside of the game and it helps to identify the key aspects of what makes a weapon/specialization/gadget become good or bad. I know it seems like a lot, but I want the game to not be on fire currently and I want to be the change I want to see out of this forum.

wraith igloo
# upper citrus

šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø This is why kids aren't allowed to vote.

mortal notch
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fix performance isssues on xbox im stuttering every 10 secs its unplayable

brisk garden
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yo if we are seeded 8th and place 7th why do we still lose 1000??? if you give me potato teammates we're probably going to perform like potatoes

upbeat kelp
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Please add an option to equip/unequip sights in the practice range.

winter vapor
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Just lost another game because some dogshit player ran around spamming GL at his own feet killing EVERYONE around him.

He was getting shit on the entire match until he swapped to the insanely advantageous noob tube.

If any of you are using this crap you might as well uninstall, you dont belong in the FPS genre. Youre as much of a joke as the devs decisions to encourage noobs to participate. If you guys dont fix this crap with the next update im uninstalling until you do.

quick coyote
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should be able to click multiple things on the match feedback page

lone frost
thorny parcel
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Add a recently played with tab that shows your recent teammates please. Not this jumbled useless mess that it is now.

tropic root
upper citrus
# wraith igloo šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø This is why kids aren't allowed to vote.

You are not very good at expressing yourself or giving constructive feedback. I would like to know what issues you have with it. šŸ™ƒ

The problems listed in the notes are genuine issues in higher elo games that need to be addressed. Is there a better way of addressing them?

Also, I am 20 years old and am legally allowed to vote šŸ™‚

last mirage
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agreed.

mortal notch
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the game is unplayable on xbox (stuttering lag rubber banding etc etc) on a series x with ethernet+pike model triple med meta makes me want to drink paint stripper

sudden tangle
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i unironically would prefer season 1 balance than season 4 balance . imagine paying people to balance for a year and it before they did anything the game was more fun and balanced.

prisma plaza
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NotedCatwalk#3470 blatantly aimbotting and thats my only feedback

stuck ravine
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please for the love of god add kbm support to console embark šŸ™

void blade
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The dome shield nerf was fine, but an unexpected consequence of buffing the cl40s blast radius (which has made it entirely miserable to play against btw but thats a topic for another day) is that almost EVERY time you try to throw the dome while already in a fight, the dome just doesnt deploy, cause its core gets exploded mid air. Please make the core invincible to explosions until the shield deploys, then once its deployed, the core can be one shot for all i care, just let me use it at least.

This is a minor issue compared to the pikes current damage (for the love of god prioritize balancing it)

echo urchin
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We should be able to trap statues in goo to slow down revives.

Mesh shield cd should work like invis

Improve the Demat

  • keep the increased depth
  • go back to the original wall selection process (smaller sections), but add a feature where you can hold down the ADS button to select multiple surfaces at the same time (producing the same effect as the current buff) and then you hit trigger to demateralize them all at once.
    -add a streamlined closing feature, if you open up multiple surfaces at the same time, closing one of them will close all of them

Itā€™d be cool if we could customize / personalize the practice range.

New mode ideas:

Rock, paper, scissors:
1v1. Best of 3. You get to pick each class once. Takes place in practice range sized sections of the maps made using that boundary thing in TA games.

Cash Grab / Coin Toss:
a football style game mode.

  • Two teams battling over one cube, trying to throw it into the other team's practice range wall to score points.
  • 6v6

Tag:

  • One person is ā€œitā€ and they are a light while everybody else is trying to run away from them.
  • The players running away are medium until they get tagged, then they defib respawn in that spot as a light;
  • the person who was it bursts into coins and respawns across the map as a medium.
  • If someone goes a certain amount of time without getting tagged then they burst into coins and immediately respawn as a heavy.
  • No lethals in this mode. No stun gun.
  • Mediums have one loadout: Demat, jump pad, zip line, and goo grenade.
  • Heavies have one loadout: goo gun, antigravity cube, motion sensor, flashbang.
  • Lights can choose between cloak, hook, or dash, and thermal bore, sonar, vanish bomb, tracking dart, thermal vision, or gateway.
  • Points awarded for successful tags, deducted for being tagged, and for amount of time- within a certain range of the player who is it- that you go without being tagged, big bonus if you avoid being tagged all round
  • Intermittent map wide ping
sage sage
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the Finals has 100 percentage CPU uses even low, medium,high graphics plz fix this issues,, while playing game the aim is not good plz fix this.. I have ryzen 5600x and rx6800 graphic card

azure ermine
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nerf medium holy fuck fix your game

waxen hornet
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can we please revert the xp54 nerf it doesnt feel as fine compared to the fcar or lewis

last mirage
native berry
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Medieval Mode LTM where:
-regular cashout tournament/quick cash/power shift/bank it
-bows/throwing knives/all melee weapons as the only primary weapons
-no gadgets that were created during the modern era
-specializations are renamed/retooled as spells
-modified chat where every text is converted to ol'english or something

leaden thicket
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Revert the light changes, revert the cl40 buff, remove the pike and deagles from the game entirely. Throw season 4 in the trash and give us s1 reloaded

sonic spoke
vestal igloo
cursive leaf
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I really like the new sponsorship competition. I think itā€™d be cool if cosmetics could play a role. Like all Sponsor branded clothing grants bonus fans or something for the round.

keen bane
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i feel like a honor system would be nice for people who uses good pings and other related stuff

wraith igloo
# upper citrus You are not very good at expressing yourself or giving constructive feedback. I ...

Turret is meant as a distraction/defence support gadget, not an on-demand aimbot guard dog at your feet. Smart turret placement is already perfectly effective.

You say a medium team is difficult to approach, then ask for model to be more effective at medium range with tighter spread...Shotguns should have maximum effectiveness at close range with a sharp drop outside of that. If anything, it needs way more spread at medium and long range, esp since pike is already massively op at medium range.

unkempt bane
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Why are you guys angry about cl40.

If you dont like it.

Just dont play the game.

frank holly
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The Model is fine as it is imo. rewarding if you hit your shots and if you miss you're cooked...

thick plank
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embark please remove in round item swapping from reserve in world tour .....the world tour rules literally say no in round item swapping from reservešŸ˜”

forest geyser
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cl40 needs to do more self-inflicted damage after the buff. people keep abusing it way too much and will just shoot at their feet to get out of a pinch and it's very unlikely for the user to die from it

i also think the APS turret should kill projectiles that are in line of sight--it doesn't make sense that a turret can "shoot down" an RPG from the floor below when it can't even see the rpg

charred crest
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i think it would be cool if there was a damage boost for teams using a diversity of the classes, i.e. +5% for L M H, +2% for M M H, and 0% for M M M. Just an idea to keep it fresh

upper citrus
# wraith igloo Turret is meant as a distraction/defence support gadget, not an on-demand aimbot...

medium is difficult to approach because of the utility provided to a team as well as the weapons. medium excels in mid range by design, its even in the description of the class in game.

a range nerf to the model would still keep it overpowered in high elo, meaning it would eventually just be nerfed again and made useless. its an inherent design flaw when used in a coordinated team v team environment. medium needs to be susceptible to gap closers unless built for it (which is the point of the turret rework)

and about the turret rework, its not just an on demand aimbot. the turret deploy time is ~5s currently before it starts shooting. halving it would make it 2.5s, which is still too slow to be a reliable reactionary placement unless the person attacking you messes up. the turret is currently the worst of the 3 specials and has never seen usage in the meta. allowing it to be more skill based and strategic would do wonders for the spec while also reducing the frustrating parts of the current turret

blissful bridge
cold forum
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Use cl40

deep violet
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yes

strange ermine
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Can we reduce the deactivation cost of Mesh Shield to 3 or 4 seconds instead of 8? It's insane how hastily y'all thought to mangle this specialization.

prisma violet
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Got some complaints. Look i'll admit it i mostly play Light but....Fix your busted ass Heavy class. The Spear? You're telling me that when i have an entire 3 to 4 ft between me and the tip of that Spear that it STILL counts the hit register with that wide of a gap in between? GARBAGE. You're telling me i can work my ass off to get a Heavy down to nothing then have them swing at me ONE time with a sledgehammer like a knuckledragging neanderthal and i'm dead? GARBAGE. You're telling me that i have to backpeddle with all 3 of my Light Dashes JUST to get out of range of the Flamethrower? GARBAGE. Either nerf the fire damage in the game or nerf the range on that damn Flamethrower. Also FIX YOUR HIT REG. Im pretty sick of dying when im already around a corner, Or (And this one has happened alot lately) Get shot at by an enemy who has their back to me while theyre shooting forward. Like wtf lol

quartz cedar
leaden thicket
# upper citrus medium is difficult to approach because of the utility provided to a team as wel...

The turret is the main thing mediums use now that the heal beam got nerfed again, not only that but you've clearly never played in high ranked the past few seasons where it's either triple heal gun or triple turret. But either way I would be fine with the turret being how it is, if it didn't have the health of a heavy and infinite ammo. AI dmg in fps games has no place, especially in the ranked/comp scene.

boreal rivet
sonic spoke
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can we get a read between the lines emote?

upper citrus
# leaden thicket The turret is the main thing mediums use now that the heal beam got nerfed again...

The turret is seen nowhere in high elo. The current meta is MMM with 2x pike, 1x model, 2x heal beam, 1x demat. The turret is genuinely bad in 99% of situations and slightly annoying in other situations. It's inconsistency prevents it from ever being meta.

AI damage is fine when designed well. Making it avoidable unless the owner is playing alongside the turret and sacrificing other utility is completely fine.

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tight oracle
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Can we please do something about the Animations UI? It is so janky and all over the place and It puts on animations I don't even own and puts on other ones when I choose a different animation and it's just everywhere. This has been a problem since season 1.
And Please fix the frame drops on Xbox its literally unplayable

restive scaffold
flat saddle
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I'm about to quit this game until the CL-40 gets nerfed. I love the game but this new meta isn't fun at all for me in particular. If it doesn't get nerfed, I wish The Finals the best.

odd ibex
# flat saddle I'm about to quit this game until the CL-40 gets nerfed. I love the game but thi...

Rework ideas

3 health beam plus defib itā€™s crazy,health beam needs to start off at a slow pace for medium and especially heavies and then heal at a normal rate.

Pike is so strange,itā€™s like a way better revolver,if u could add a more zoomed sight for revolver it would be perfect.
A camping medium with pikeā€™s long range and high fire rate is crazy to deal with.
Pike is a better lh with more health as medium,bad new entry as a weapon.

Pike needs a total hip fire nerf and lower fire rate.

Data reshaper rework should be if u reshape 3 orange barrels then u get one time use of a pyro grenade or gas if u get green canister or glitch grenade if u get 3 blue barrels,your team mates can gather them,so there is teamwork!

Gravity boots for wall running?

Lights grapple should be stuck to surfaces for vertical positions and scouting from interesting vertical angles or ambush,use grapple to pull team mates idols for revives.

wraith orchid
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light is and will allways be the most played class bc it is the fastest most mobile and thereby most fun class to play. Yes, it is as easy as that.

Dagger Wishlist:

-You shouldnt be able to climb while charging the dagger, i try so often to backsab someone above me but instead of jumping and stabbing, it tries to climb and my charge gets canceled (VERY IMPORTANT THIS WAS NOT ABLE TO HAPPEN LAST SEASON SO I ASSUME YOU JUST FORGOTT TO PROGRAM IT RIGHT)
-Option to hold and tap backstab like with the throwing knifes
-Always being able to run as last season
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the audio indicator cus it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.
REVERT THE DASH COOLDOWN NERF

Sniper Wishlist:
raise hitscan range or reverg the nerf completely and just ban the weapon from powershift.

Light Wishlist:
Balance it so that it can make up for the less hp. While burst weapons can benefit from hit and run, you are allways as vulnerable as the m/h/l enemy when using machineguns/pistols

last mirage
# unkempt bane Why are you guys angry about cl40. If you dont like it. Just dont play the gam...

I barely play the game now because of the balancing in the game. the thing with the "if you don't like it, just don't play the game" is that it doesn't tell you specifically why people left in the first place. people need to express what's wrong with the game because if they didn't then they would lose the potential of the game being good. we need to notify Embark about how bad the balance is before we eventually call it quits. it only works for games that refuse to change, when you need the game to eventually die because of its own stubbornness. Embark isn't stubborn, they are able to listen to community feedback, and wants to improve the game to make it fair/fun for everyone. they don't deserve the threat of shutdown without knowing the reasons why at the very least. so some people are just hanging out in forums here giving advice, not playing the game. that's why people are here complaining about the balance changes, because they want to keep the game going.

prisma violet
junior igloo
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Revert Cl40 to the old damage (or maybe increase it a little over what it was before) and just INCREASE THE AMMO TO 5. It solves the issue for needing 100% accuracy to kill a heavy and either way, due to the reload mechanic, its really not hard to kill heavies with cl40 anyway, even if it takes 4 made shots

foggy orbit
# frank holly The Model is fine as it is imo. rewarding if you hit your shots and if you miss ...

Not really, model has fast follow up shots so missing isn't nearly as big a deal compared to DB. Model at the very least could do with a firerate nerf so missed shots are punished and increased the ttk in general so it doesn't feel as punishing to go up against.

@frank holly
You can abuse corners, and play around teammates despite missing and not dying, with a longer delay between shots, lights have a chance to goo, cloak, dash, or grapple away, heavies have a chance to throw down a dome, recharge mesh, mediums have more time to jump pad to escape or defib, I think slowing down the firerate overall would allow for much better gunfights overall between players.

quartz cedar
tired ibex
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Smoke nades have too long of cooldown, yes you get 3 but it doesnt matter it is so so slow, i think just make it the same as flash. 2 nades wth 20 second cooldown

strange ermine
frank holly
pliant glade
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could we make it that taunts that include weapons have the option to include your weapon skin instead of the default. this adds more flair and personality i think

unkempt plover
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Eliminate 5 opponents from 40 meters away or more should not be a contract ive been trying to do it for a few days like why is that a thing

fleet socket
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Embark please add the experience amount for gadgets in game, the wiki already has it so it shouldn't be hard to add

upper citrus
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Hi I made a list of patch notes I would like to see in the game alongside notes on larger changes to explain my reasoning and though process. The overall goal of these changes is to promote build variety, increase the amount of viable playstyles, fix design issues with the specials on the light class, reduce frustrating design points in certain areas of the game, and buff weapons that need it.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J6Ph3pF5FL3t2gYnxYJCXyPlrwnaheWCbjpjpit5p-Y/edit?usp=sharing

Give feedback :)))

Google Docs
The Finals Wish Patch

The Finals Wish Patch General Changes All semi automatic weapons can now be fired continuously by holding down the trigger. In ranked, barrels always spawn in the same location. Enemy and team specials are now visible on the scoreboard. New setting to keep sights static. New setting to remove ...

hybrid dust
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please change how the leaderboard works, instead of doing 99% of someone's health and getting an assist, please make it like overwatch where it shows how many kills you actually contributed to. This makes the whole game feel more rewarding for the player so I can really see how many kills I actually was responsible for getting

outer jetty
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What's wrong with the god damn MMR!? Bronze playing against diamonds!?

prime flower
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this game has become ā€œthe mediumsā€ thereā€™s no point in playing any other class. medium has all the meta weapons especially the CL and pike. the CL is a no skill aoe disaster. iā€™ve seem most teams running all mediums with CL movement gadgets, defibrillator, and heal beam. you can run in a room or stand outside and just bombard the enemy with aoe damage no need to aim. even if you shoot at your feat there is basically no damage being done when you and your team just heal beam each other. the pike 2-3 shots lights from any distance. iā€™ve been sniped from across map by the enemy who isnā€™t even fighting us and iā€™ve been shot dead faster than i can dash around a corner from the pikes insane speed and damage. even if you donā€™t use those 2 broken weapons there are still the great rifles in medium that use some skill to melt.

heavyā€™s pistol is broken too but at least they donā€™t have the movement to follow you and the mesh has been nerfed to the ground almost.

strange ermine
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Can we either make the KS-23 projectiles larger or just give it the ability to actually ADS? This thing is unreasonably punishing in close quarters. It's a rifle (literally classified as a carbine irl too) that we're stuck hipfiring with for some fucking reason. Why?? THERE ARE IRONS ON THE IN-GAME WEAPON MODEL!

wintry lotus
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nerf the new guns

naive yarrow
# upper citrus Hi I made a list of patch notes I would like to see in the game alongside notes ...

I disagree with a lot of what it is in here, but i will only speak on the things i have extensive experience on or care very much about

grenades should not glow, them not glowing is one of my favorite design choices in this game because the game will not make up for your lack of situational awareness, with how visible grenades already are, and how loud the throwing and landing noise is, you should not be getting caught off guard by them unless the audio bugs

Evasive dash ideas are kind of things that were already seen in the betas, i agree that dash should keep it's momentum at least to a certain degree, but do not agree with changing the speed, nor increasing the cooldown so drastically because it would make the specialization much worse for melee or otherwise close range playstyles who need dashes to have value

Cloak specialization being fully invisible and not being able to be directionally heard would make the specialization much too powerful imo, and i think the specialization is fine how it is now, given that it is meta at the highest form of play(at least for light), these changes would make cloak feel much worse to fight, and too easy to play

Dematerializer already can close every piece you opened if you target the intersections that caused you to open them in the first place, and this change would serve as a nerf to dematerializer, rather than making it better, at best this should be an optional thing that is not on by default

i dont believe the melee changes you suggest are formed from the perspective of a melee user, so i wont go too into depth on why i disagree because i think it would just be lost, but in short, riot being able to block melees would almost entirely make riot v other melee fights less interesting and more luck based, and i believe the weapon is fine how it is, except for the current state of sword with this recent buff, and the suggested dual blades changes are just weird and dont fit, thats all the room i have, ciao

unreal fossil
# upper citrus Hi I made a list of patch notes I would like to see in the game alongside notes ...

No time to discuss this in details, but having your overall view on how class/weapons/gadgets could be tweaked makes your takes here more understandable/coherent.

My impression is that I would very much like to try your version of The Finals, although I don't necessarily agree with everything.

Suggestions on guns are interesting. I think the CL40 would need further tuning than just a ROF nerf. FCAR making a return as a compromise between the AKM and Pike feels right, but recoil shouldn't be lowered. No recoil FAMAS would probably be extremely strong in the right hands.

wraith orchid
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ok guys i have a take that may be controversial but is still interesting to think about.

embark wants to bring every class in line and equalize their pick- and winrates.

since light will always be the most fun class, there is only one option to equalize pickrates.

  • giving every class a unique utility that has a high value to the team and synergises with the other classes. doing this will lead to a team missing a certain utility to use the teams full potential IF there is a class missing.

technically this is already the case through specs and a few gadgets. but there are still a few problems.

1st: lights primary power is speed/movement AND recon. the problem here is, that mediums primary power is heal/support AND movement.
there is the problem.
the fact that medium can provide so much movement power for the team (through gadgets) its taking away the meaning of lights utility.

ideas:

-give light a gadget that can boost the whole teams moving speed like a adrenaline grenadešŸ« 

  • take away mediums zipline and give it to heavy, to reduce the movement utility of medium, so light movement can be the best in its utility again.

  • there are too little gadgets that match the different classes primary roles and are bound to one class alone.

CONCEPT:

-every class can have more than one primary role
-the different specs are the indicator of the role and there should be more gadgets that match with the different specs to create and expand the different roles.

  • of course you can always choose your whole loadout like now so you could choose a loadout that doesnt really match a certain role.

-BUT, matching gadgets to different specs creates unique utility for the team so everyone is happy to have any class in his team.

  • the goal is to make a M/H/L team the team with the highest potential because every class brings some sort of high value to the team that none of the other classes can

lmk if this sounds like smth to think aboutšŸ˜ƒšŸ«¶šŸ»

ly embark

ancient abyss
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The matchmaking sucks, it's impossible to play solo, i cannot carry people with 25 wins, and i was PLAT last season, now it just got me stucked in low elo trying to carry everyone, just to win 200+ points for reaching the final

last mirage
# prisma violet Got some complaints. Look i'll admit it i mostly play Light but....Fix your bust...

ill give you some tips to fight against short ranged heavies since I know the struggles of fighting against those weapons when you first start out. if you main light or medium the best course of action is to run away in the opposite direction and fight at a distance against the heavy. no seriously, heavy can't catch up to you when you are running away from them so if you are in the jaws of danger, then dash 1-2 times (depending on the weapon they hold) and just run away until you can fight at a distance against them. 3 of the 4 short ranged weapons have an area of influence. so if you know where they can hit you at a distance, you can play around there area of influence. to put it into fighting game terms, melee heavy is a grappler, and half the battle for the grappler is to catchup to people to do big damage. if you know how to position yourself away from melee, then you can pretty much counter them just by default with light. if you see a player that has short ranged weapons at a distance, then they are a free target to attack. also if they have a winch, stand away from him around 15m since that's the maximum range to reach you. melee heavy isn't busted because these are the techniques players use to make the playstyle worthless. if anything melee needs a buff for how easy it is when fighting them at ranged.

minor notch
cerulean finch
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5/5 games qued in Asia for ranked all had multiple cheaters Embark please for fuck sake

upper citrus
# naive yarrow I disagree with *a lot* of what it is in here, but i will only speak on the thin...

Grenades absolutely should glow at least until the audio works consistently. Which will be a while

Dash is straight up terrible in higher elo rn. Good players can just track it consistently so it goes entirely unused. Light needs a way for its survivability to be dependent mostly on the skill of the user rather than the skill of the enemy. Although I will say Iā€™m not sure this change would be great. Itā€™s just the only way I can see dash being good without iframes.

Cloak has the same issue as dash in high elo. Itā€™s hard countered by people with functioning eyes and ears. The only reason cloak is actually viable in high elo rn is due to a tech that I will not get into that makes cloak practically invisible while moving. Without this tech, cloak is dogshit. Considering that this cloak rework adds a 0.25s decloak animation, it would balance cloak as more of a repositioning tool rather than something you insta burst enemies out of. Unless you wait for your team to engage them first and draw attention. Semi invis will never work and thereā€™s a reason why almost no competitive games use it. Itā€™s inherently poor design and is also hardware dependent.

Demat only does this if you can position yourself in the same angle you originally used it in. Which can either be impossible due to the floor being dematted, or due to wanting to close a hole behind you while escaping. This would help a ton with the consistency of demat in high intensity scenarios.

Riot shield changes are taken entirely from very good riot players. But I did mean to say that it should only block melee when holding the shield up. Not when at the side.

prisma violet
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Thank you for ACTUALLY being helpful Boomer. ā¤ļø I will take all of that into practice. I will never agree on the melee weapons though. lol I still think the Hit Reg on Spear is dumb af ive had a full 3 to 4ft between me and the TIP of the Spear and i was still getting hit by it with space in between me and the Spear. THAT needs to be fixed. That and being killed by an enemy whose shooting in front of them while im completely behind them and theyre still getting hit reg on me. Has happened way too often this season to even consider it to be cheating. It's got to be a bug or somethin. Hope they can patch fix it.

sonic spoke
junior igloo
# sonic spoke Increasing self damage to mirror RPG would go a long way to resolving it's balan...

i agree that there should be a self damage increase. MGL has a good amount of self damage but i dont think cl40's is very significant. But RPG's self damage is like 150% which im not sure would be suitable for a primary weapon tbh

(Actually I don't know about this can someone tell me, is the RPG self damage the same as before the patch or has it changed in accord with the nerf in damage?)

@odd ibex hasn't heavy been nerfed enough šŸ˜­
also if the damage for the slam was the highest it would be way too easy to use and require no skill. The slam is easy cheap area damage and usually only used when u miss all your primary charge or as some extra damage at the end to finish them off. Charge is countered by dash, winch, grapple, glitch, to name a few, so its really not that OP if you know what to do against it. Also, i should mention that after the first hit on the charge, the damage is significantly less, and it is often easy to shoot the heavy down before he makes contact again (its pretty rare to get a chain of straight charges, esp with light and med)

Are you asking for grapple to be a winch claw? šŸ˜‚ I do agree with the sticking to walls tho

As for the flare gun, that already exists. The tracking dart? Which has FOUR charges rn btw

@crystal magnet I feel like the issue with that is they actually can influence gameplay and can be seen as an unfair advantage (if you see a lampost it might be hard to tell its a zipline if you arent looking closely. And if you see a pancake on the floor u might not know its a mine and think its decor or something, esp when u see it for the first time or ur new to the game) As for the stun gun, i wholeheartedly agree

odd ibex
# upper citrus Grenades absolutely should glow at least until the audio works consistently. Whi...

Lights grapple should be stuck to surfaces for vertical positioning and scouting from interesting vertical angles or ambush,use grapple to pull team mates idols for revives.

We need a flare gun gadget(light) so bad thatā€™s sticks to enemies or walls. Itā€™s low damage but it long term so it help for enemy player to avoid pursuing and heal itā€™s also bright and colourful sparks to show enemy location when it stick and leaves a spark trail on the map
Give sonar back to medium

The heavy charge m slam immediately does maximum damage even if heavy start right in front of and almost no visual warning out of nowhere,itā€™s completely unbalanced,add the grunt audio right before it activates not in the middle of charge n slam,it should half damage for charge and more knock back when it start and maximum damage at the slam.

crystal magnet
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Dear THEFINALS,

We as a community strive for representation. We strive to have more ways to express ourselves. We strive for cool skins for things like the Stun gun, the Zipline, and the mines to name a few. There are many cool ideas of skins for these that I'm sure have been thought of by many, but alas, here we are still lacking in that department. Why? I ask. Pancake mines, lamp post ziplines, cardboard stun guns. These are but a few humble ideas. I hope this feedback reaches you well.

Sincerely,
AJ

coral forum
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Light needs explosive resistance or something... survivablility is so bad

dark niche
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id think most of the console community will agree with a few things and maybe a few pc players.
console players have a major disadvantage in fights with PC players, pc players can flick, turn and aim easier and control recoil easier, not only that can beam from a far,

for the players from pc, i bet 99% of pc players dont want controller players on their team, but love to play against them cuz our movement is horrible, we cant shoot far range for anything, and aim assist barely works, im assuming because of the in game settings not being accurate or something.

So can we please have console only, just like season 1? cuz nobody on console turns it off so its even harder to find a ranked match.

Not forgetting that the fps for console players are capped at 60, pc have every advantage possible, therefor we struggle with the in game mechanics more and again very tough long distances, especially AKM, Fcar and other similar guns, maybe not pike but i dont use Medium so i wont know šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

sweet knoll
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I sadly have to leave this game until we get a common/ranked teamvteam like 5v5 cashout. All my friends quit because standard cashout is so insanely toxic and disheartening. Itā€™s too easy to punch down and third parties are way more common than whatever stats say otherwise. It just isnā€™t fun so they all quit and solo queue is miserable. I wish this game the best.

quick coyote
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how many days and they havenā€™t patched the cl yet ?!?!

shy swan
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trash gun balence, trash settings, no coms, no content besides skins, third party spam, wtf r u all doing

last mirage
# prisma violet Thank you for ACTUALLY being helpful Boomer. ā¤ļø I will take all of that into pra...

I mean if you are able to record these glitchy problems, then you can place it into #bug-discussion or #1201841543926005810 so that the devs can have proper documentation of these issues. the gimmick with the spear is that it has a bit more range than the sledgehammer, so keep that in mind whenever you go against them. some heavies will also use goo guns/grenades to try to trap you to get close. if you have dash, then use it when you get trapped. I use to main heavy sledgehammer before the gadgets around that playstyle got nerfed in S4, so I understand the issues of what makes them weak in fights. and let me tell you, heavy melee is in such a bad spot competitive wise that its not funny. @keen sequoia yeah heavy melee are now slowly abusing goo because of them now not having any sort of defense or ranged attack. I don't like it, because it's not fun for everyone involved with it. so when they eventually nerf stunning people with goo, they need to just give heavy a pistol as a gadget for medium range combat. otherwise no one will use melee heavy at that point. something that can just do enough chip damage to make it worth getting close enough to land a light attack against a medium. it can have only one clip and it would make melee heavy feel fair to fight against. I talked about a lot about the specifics earlier in the forum if you are interested.

keen sequoia
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NERF MELEES, IM TIRED OF BEING SEXUALLY TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF BY GOO SLEDGE AND DASH LIGHT

torpid sky
umbral anchor
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Cann yall please fix this fucking rain glitch THIS IS ALL I SEE ALL OVER MY SCREEN EVERYTIME I PLAY A MAP THATS RAINING

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foggy orbit
# upper citrus Hi I made a list of patch notes I would like to see in the game alongside notes ...

Hi Trent, I don't have enough words to talk about every change in your notes, I will say that I don't intend to come off disrespectful, I appreciate you taking the time and trying to get the game balance in a good spot, I will talk about the cloaking device as it's a spec I have over 1000 hours of experience with.

I think your suggestion with the Cloaking Device would take a lot of the skill expression with it away, a lot of the skill involved with cloak is intuiting whether or not a player has detected you by seeing and hearing you, and knowing when you should be motionless or should be moving, as well as having the trigger discipline to coordinate your attack at the worst possible time for an enemy. Although full invisibility sounds powerful, even this slight delay would make it very clunky to use with how fast paced this game is. In my opinion, the cloaking device needs to properly render you invisible and silent when motionless, and I'd reduce the sound emission when moving in general with cloak so you can take flank routes close to enemies without having your play being called out. With how loud and visible cloak is, it fails to function as stealth spec from 0m - 25m the ranges of where the most impactful fights take place. You have to remain motionless within this range if you want to stay undetected, this is why I would prefer the audio part of cloak should be reduced. Also a lot of the cloak tech would be rendered useless with full invisibility which further lowering the skill expression. I appreciate the goal of your changes with cloak, I hope you can understand my position and we can discuss this further :)

wraith orchid
# shy swan trash gun balence, trash settings, no coms, no content besides skins, third part...

what kind of content do you expect?šŸ¤£

rn the balance is so bad that it would actually be a step in the right direction to lower medium hp to 200 and heavy to 300.
overall most medium and heavy weapons do too much damage looking at the time to kill a light compared to the ttk a light needs to kill them.
I DONT UNDERSTAND YOU EMBARK. you see the stats but you proceed to nerf light weapons? you nerf the dash which nerfs its MOBILITY which is the only part of light that can make up for this outrageous damage disbalance in the game right now. BUT IN THE LONG TERM YOU NEED TO ADRESS THE DAMAGE DISBALANCE EMBARK.
P.S.: light is and will allways be the most played class bc it is the fastest most mobile and thereby most fun class to play. Yes, it is as easy as that.

Dagger Wishlist:

-You shouldnt be able to climb while charging the dagger, i try so often to backsab someone above me but instead of jumping and stabbing, it tries to climb and my charge gets canceled (VERY IMPORTANT THIS WAS NOT ABLE TO HAPPEN LAST SEASON SO I ASSUME YOU JUST FORGOTT TO PROGRAM IT RIGHT)
-Option to hold and tap backstab like with the throwing knifes
-Always being able to run as last season
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the audio indicator cus it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.
REVERT THE DASH COOLDOWN NERF

Sniper Wishlist:
raise hitscan range or reverg the nerf completely and just ban the weapon from powershift.

Light Wishlist:
Balance it so that it can make up for the less hp. While burst weapons can benefit from hit and run, you are allways as vulnerable as the m/h/l enemy when using machineguns/pistols

thick sorrel
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Patch Notes:
[...] Heavy is by far the most winning of our three archetypes, with Light the most losing. Our intent with much of the balancing is to bring all of the archetypes' win rates more closely in line, while also equalizing their pick rates.

You successfully reduced the Light pickrate, but also the winrate and fun...

Reddit AMA
*Hey!

We think the balance to start Season 4 is in a reasonably good place, but we still have plenty of stuff we need to nudge to get it to the right place.

Balancing some very different archetypes is always going to be a challenge, but it's also part of what makes the game unique. It's definitely our goal though to have each archetype equally viable in competitive though so we'll continue to strive for that.

  • Matt*

Imagine how many players we would still have, if they didn't fucked up the start of Season again (M Meta, before H Meta) - more than ever a whole class is being stomped into the ground. New players tend to play the mobile & fast Class. Unfortunately Light isn't fun at all against CL-40, Model, Pike. Even Deagles are sniping Light. Matt, why?

modern ether
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legit have my cashout being stolen last second because of how horrendous the spawning is. A team can die and you spawn them next to ours while another team wont even be touched, the 3rd party its actually worst this season then in wt

prime flower
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ā€œthe mediumsā€ season 4 has officially buried lights from any elo high or low and gutted heavies. itā€™s bad when itā€™s rare to see a heavy in a match

strange ermine
# coral forum Light needs explosive resistance or something... survivablility is so bad

Intrinsic class perks would be a massive step in the right direction for this game's competitive balance. Lights are damn-near useless in comp, as they simply don't have enough HP to spend an extended amount of time at objectives. Lights should be either be able to steal faster or delay the alarm of the cashout as it's being stolen. By virtue of all lights being rats, it just makes sense that they should be able to play the objective in a "stealthier" way.

coral forum
winter sparrow
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Please fix queuing times, I've consistently had to wait for a minimum of 10 min per game in Ranked and World Tour this whole last day. It is significantly worse during night time (ca 00-09 am) with Ranked not being playable at all during these hours.

pliant glade
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why does the model do more than the new light shotgun at a longer range same with the double barrel, the double barrel only exceeding in damage by 18 if literally point blank...

gleaming tide
mortal notch
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Nerf model/pike please triple med meta makes me wanna drink paint stripper

last mirage
# pliant glade why does the model do more than the new light shotgun at a longer range same wit...

the double barrel has an effective range of melee and the light shotgun is used for close range combat. getting close to the enemy is very easy to do as light, so its not a problem. medium however doesn't have movement to close the gap, making the effective range be around 15 meters so that it can go toe to toe against assault rifles within that range. granted the damage for the new shotgun and the model shouldn't be a one shot and a quick melee against lights or a 2 shot and a quick melee against medium, but yeah that's the reason.

naive yarrow
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thoughts on my idea for a defib rework?

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shadow stirrup
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I think light gets a lot of hate, justifiably so. Although I am not opposed to what Embark envisioned with the character, they quite literally did not hit the mark on any aspect, and now they dug themselves into a horrific, overtuned, simultaneously moot AND OP character. They absolutely took all the worst parts of the archetype and mashed it into perhaps the worst class I have ever witness in a game. Part of me wants to believe its a joke cause I refuse to believe that upon hours of tweaking and meetings that they inevitably had, this pathetic product is what we are left with. Legitimately sad. Cannot wait for another studio to take a crack at this gamestyle

ionic grail
worn gale
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LH1 is dead after patch

tired ibex
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@mortal notch YOURE A SWORD MAIN?

tacit jacinth
tacit mist
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nerf cl-40!

timid pagoda
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its hidden ID mode,sry

coarse jetty
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pike is still busted, embark, i dont think you actually know how much damage this is doing to the game lol. the thing is anti-fun

thick sorrel
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Patch Notes:
[...] Heavy is by far the most winning of our three archetypes, with Light the most losing. Our intent with much of the balancing is to bring all of the archetypes' win rates more closely in line, while also equalizing their pick rates.

You successfully reduced the Light pickrate, but also the winrate and fun...

Reddit AMA:
*Hey!

We think the balance to start Season 4 is in a reasonably good place, but we still have plenty of stuff we need to nudge to get it to the right place.

Balancing some very different archetypes is always going to be a challenge, but it's also part of what makes the game unique. It's definitely our goal though to have each archetype equally viable in competitive though so we'll continue to strive for that.

  • Matt*

Imagine how many players we would still have, if they didn't fucked up the start of Season again (M Meta, before H Meta) - more than ever a whole class is being stomped into the ground. New players tend to play the mobile & fast Class. Unfortunately Light isn't fun at all against CL-40, Model, Pike. Even Deagles are sniping Light. Matt, why?

modern ether
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legit feels like ar's like fcar and akm are so outclassed by everything else, more then they even been.

coral forum
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lights is totally unheard of in high elo.. no survivability.. please give us explosive resistance or something.

vital portal
shy swan
# wraith orchid what kind of content do you expect?šŸ¤£ rn the balance is so bad that it would ac...

1k hours n this game is is literaly painfuly persistantly dissapointing - almost no voice or text chat useage, third party spam, settings worse than mobile game ports, and 24/7 BROKEN METAS

charge n slam

  • if you hit nothing your cooldown is less (like the winch)
  • balance damage n knockback
    Winch
  • make it destroy shields not go through them
    pike
  • nerf the damage n recoil (its meta n unfun to use)
    game
  • option to disable auto mantel allowing us more movement control
  • let us cancel abilities like grappel n charge instant when hitting the button again0
  • winch claw should be easier to aim n not have delay
  • show were people respawn for less unfun third party spam
  • remove low gravity
  • better more exact sensitivity settings (current settings suck, percents!!!!!?????)
  • xp boost for never turning off voice chat
  • all text n voice chat moments!?!?!?! (most brainless obvious way to make ur game more fun)
  • allow us to change opasity of screen clutter when ads
  • show us where people respawn with on screen marker making third parties more balenced (people alive should have an advantage not people who died got freecam n respawned next to you. its so unfun everyone i know who played this game got burnout from that n left for good FIX UR GAME)
    shotguns
  • all medium and light shotguns need their own nerfs
  • TOO MANY LEVELS make everything u grind contribute to one number n that would be your fame and amount of fans you have.
    dome
  • make it last 7 seconds not 5 or 12
    defib
  • make the revived hp less than half
    updates
  • MONTHS we have to wait MONTHS for a new spec or weapon. and we diddnt even get a new spec or gadget this season. atf u doing.
    RUSTY RUCKUS
  • GLITCHED SKIN DISAPEARS MID GAME PLAY TEST UR GAME
charred seal
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I noticed that while m using DLSS or any other upscaler except TAAU moving enemies at a range of 40-50 or above have a ghosting effect. Plz fix it Embark

broken herald
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nerf model1887 and cl40

fickle sundial
# upper citrus Hi I made a list of patch notes I would like to see in the game alongside notes ...

I like your list a lot, great to see such constructive feedback.

But there are some changes I don't agree with which @naive yarrow also pointed out.

**Here are a few I noticed that I didnt like: **

  • Granades imo should not glow. Since other nades (Traps, glitch, sonar, gas trap and nade etc) Also don't glow. It would kind of be the thing where call of duty has a problem with. But... They have a perk so on close range it would detect them. I think this could be cool of your idea.
    Imagine if the sonar granade also detects traps and such from the enemy team to your team. Like it does with people.

  • Barrels spawning on fixes locations: I like a bit of randomness in my games. Because they are random things like the reshaper (or something idk what its called for medium.) Is there for that reason if you dont want it random.

  • Guardian turret changes: This would make the other main perks of the medium obsolite with how strong that turret would be when defending. insantly snapping to enemy's when you shoot them is craaazy strong.

  • The model nerf: I think this change is a bit strong. Nerfing the dmg this much would mean on about 10m it would take 3 shots at least to kill one medium. (falloff etc.) Why would I not just pick up a Pike if its easier then.
    I would honestly keep the dmg. Or maybe make it a bit more. And nerf the heck out of the range dmg falloff. Making it a true shotgun, but not as strong as the dubblebarrel could 2 tap people.

  • R.357: Is kind of strong. It's a skill weapon with only 6 shots. nerfing the rpm makes it even more weak and still slower to the Pike after the nerf you metioned.

  • Akimbo .50s changes: I don't like how strong these changes are. It makes the weapon again almost a shotgun without it being a shotgun. I would otherwise just use the shotgun for the heavy instead of the .50's if they become this close ranged.

  • Sonar: You can already break the sonar granade btw ;) But it's just hard to hit

**Things I like about the list: **

  • Grapplehook: I like this, makes it more like Pathfinder in Apex. Would be fun to play with and gives light sick mobility.

  • Cloaking Device idea, I think this is a cool idea. Reminds me of the game: The hidden. Seems fun to use and play against. could be reel scary.
    But if the decloaking is too strong and doesnt make any noise It's almost impossible to find somebody.

  • Fcar: Even as a FCAR enjoyer like myself, I think these changes would make it differ itself from the AK. But the magazine reduce would be a bit much.

  • CL40: Hell yea, this makes it still strong and not as garbage to play against I think.

Things I didnt mention:
I either semi-like or don't semi-like. It depends on the change. But I wanted to highlight give a few things to give some feedback on the change list you made. :)

dark niche
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id think most of the console community will agree with a few things and maybe a few pc players.
console players have a major disadvantage in fights with PC players, pc players can flick, turn and aim easier and control recoil easier, not only that can beam from a far,

for the players from pc, i bet 99% of pc players dont want controller players on their team, but love to play against them cuz our movement is horrible, we cant shoot far range for anything, and aim assist barely works, im assuming because of the in game settings not being accurate or something.

So can we please have console only, just like season 1? cuz nobody on console turns it off so its even harder to find a ranked match.

Not forgetting that the fps for console players are capped at 60, pc have every advantage possible, therefor we struggle with the in game mechanics more and again very tough long distances, especially AKM, Fcar and other similar guns, maybe not pike but i dont use Medium so i wont know šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

marble crane
tired ibex
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can we allow the dagger to just be clicked once and do the old stab>??>

flint fossil
#

fix the matchmaking please embark Im playing emeralds every single game

sharp bolt
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Embark , what is even the point of light ? What the heck are you doing? Take the xp-54, for example, you reduced its damage when it literally needed a range reduction.

strange ermine
# coral forum yeah a resistance perk for each class.. like light- explosives heavy- light ammo...

I don't think passive damage resistances are a step in the right direction, it only serves to invalidate certain weapons and destabilize the balance between class interactions. The perks should be conditional and relate to objective play. For instance: Light - faster steal speed, Medium - multitasker (able to hipfire with a wide dispersion while stealing), Heavy - status resistance (immunity to stun, resistance to gas and fire only while stealing). These perks play to the strengths of each class, making Lights faster, Mediums more tactical, and Heavies more resilient when actually playing the objectives.

noble swan
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Why isnā€™t there more customization for private matches? Such as adjusting the special events and mess with stats and such.
It could lead to creative content and possible ā€œvideo ideasā€

keen siren
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Embark literally created a contract that makes power shift sniper cancer with those 50 headshots.... What a FAIL

cosmic cloud
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You know, Cashout Station timers should display time left to steal rather than time left on the Cashout...

rustic birch
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i know i have a high win rate, but can you not give me losing mid match games to compensate for it? its happened 6 out of around 11-12 games so far

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zinc bane
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i was thinking about this the other day; mediums are very potent right now because of defibs, so why not buff glitch? make the effect last for 7.5 - 8 secs and make it so that glitch can cancel pending defib reses. this would effectively nerf part of what makes medium so strong

tame owl
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Keep CL40 buff, but make the rounds have a timed explosion instead of on impact like the GL

wraith orchid
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ok guys i have a take that may be controversial but is still interesting to think about.

embark wants to bring every class in line and equalize their pick- and winrates.

since light will always be the most fun class, there is only one option to equalize pickrates.

  • giving every class a unique utility that has a high value to the team and synergises with the other classes. doing this will lead to a team missing a certain utility to use the teams full potential IF there is a class missing.

technically this is already the case through specs and a few gadgets. but there are still a few problems.

1st: lights primary power is speed/movement AND recon. the problem here is, that mediums primary power is heal/support AND movement.
there is the problem.
the fact that medium can provide so much movement power for the team (through gadgets) its taking away the meaning of lights utility.

ideas:

-give light a gadget that can boost the whole teams moving speed like a adrenaline grenadešŸ« 

  • take away mediums zipline and give it to heavy, to reduce the movement utility of medium, so light movement can be the best in its utility again.

  • there are too little gadgets that match the different classes primary roles and are bound to one class alone.

CONCEPT:

-every class can have more than one primary role
-the different specs are the indicator of the role and there should be more gadgets that match with the different specs to create and expand the different roles.

  • of course you can always choose your whole loadout like now so you could choose a loadout that doesnt really match a certain role.

-BUT, matching gadgets to different specs creates unique utility for the team so everyone is happy to have any class in his team.

  • the goal is to make a M/H/L team the team with the highest potential because every class brings some sort of high value to the team that none of the other classes can

lmk if this sounds like smth to think aboutšŸ˜ƒšŸ«¶šŸ»

ly embark

wild pebble
#

1: SPAWN CLOSER TO THE CASHOUT, I cant take the cashout with 30 seconds left when im put on the other side of the map
2: when im selecting a sticker or charm, please let me pick the one i clicked instead of a random one

olive finch
#

Wrinklytoe is right

deft light
#

Wrinklytoe is right

dark niche
#

id think most of the console community will agree with a few things and maybe a few pc players.
console players have a major disadvantage in fights with PC players, pc players can flick, turn and aim easier and control recoil easier, not only that can beam from a far,

for the players from pc, i bet 99% of pc players dont want controller players on their team, but love to play against them cuz our movement is horrible, we cant shoot far range for anything, and aim assist barely works, im assuming because of the in game settings not being accurate or something.

So can we please have console only, just like season 1? cuz nobody on console turns it off so its even harder to find a ranked match.

Not forgetting that the fps for console players are capped at 60, pc have every advantage possible, therefor we struggle with the in game mechanics more and again very tough long distances, especially AKM, Fcar and other similar guns, maybe not pike but i dont use Medium so i wont know šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

glad yarrow
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I agree, also nerf pike and defib

dire scarab
#

Please fix the performance issue with 6 core CPU šŸ˜”

rose basin
#

Move the update from tomorrow to today

torpid sky
#

hopefully we will see pike, cl and model nerf tomorrow

burnt ridge
#

Played a ranked tournament with a random who got extremely frustrated at my buddy. The next tournament we get matched with him again and he immediately leaves.
we were seeded first and even though we qualified the first round with only 2, we lost points

that sucked!

night bone
thick sorrel
#

Patch Notes:
[...] Heavy is by far the most winning of our three archetypes, with Light the most losing. Our intent with much of the balancing is to bring all of the archetypes' win rates more closely in line, while also equalizing their pick rates.

You successfully reduced the Light pickrate, but also the winrate and fun...

Reddit AMA:
*Hey!

We think the balance to start Season 4 is in a reasonably good place, but we still have plenty of stuff we need to nudge to get it to the right place.

Balancing some very different archetypes is always going to be a challenge, but it's also part of what makes the game unique. It's definitely our goal though to have each archetype equally viable in competitive though so we'll continue to strive for that.

  • Matt*

Balance is in a good place, LOL. Imagine how many players we would still have, if you didn't messed up the start of the Season again (M Meta, before H Meta) - more than ever a whole class is being stomped into the ground!

New players tend to play the mobile & fast Class. Unfortunately Light isn't fun at all against CL-40, Model, Pike. Even Deagles are sniping Lights. Matt, why?

pseudo breach
river plover
rustic birch
vernal ridge
#

Please Embark, could we get a a firerate buff for the SA12 in the 4.3 ? With the nerf of mesh shield and the nerf it got, that weapon is way harder to play and significantly weaker, I hope I'll be able to play it has much as the deagle but the weapon is less a viable and interesting option now.

broken herald
#

If there are no nerf weapons tomorrow, I won't play.

solemn light
# thick sorrel **Patch Notes:** *[...] Heavy is by far the most winning of our three archetypes...

Pike literally does not make sense doing so much damage at range and being available to Ms. Mediums have more health than Ls, more damage, more range, more movement and more survivability than H or L. The pike can outrange the LH1 and has a bigger fire rate than the SR. It is a weapon that its too strong.
Then, the CL40 did not need a buff. By nerfing the mesh shield to the ground, what optimal counter is there for a CL40 user? People have been saying just get height over them but, this is just one M from the triple Ms that I see every lobby.
Lastly, same as with the pike, the model is a shotgun that has no counter. Hs and Ls shotguns respectively are so much worse than the model, with the incredible benefit of not needing to ADS in order to be precise thanks to the small spread.
Conclusion, the best weapons, the best abilities and the best gadgets are being given to the class that does not have a health problem nor a movement speed problem. This is not balance if you dont want to play Medium

Also, where is the LEVEL 9 skin????

abstract geyser
#

matches should get cancelled if there's a leaver in ranked matches like TA had last season
matches should get cancelled if there is a cheater detected
RS should be refunded if a cheater was detected/punished
you should not lose ANY rs if you have a leaver on your team
you should be able to avoid players as teammates

royal gust
#

As someone in the top 500 rn or close to it. Skip#2347. I want to highly suggest you actually nerf CL-40 and Sword. Right now the only people that get a penalty are people who can actually aim. Some weirdo who never played fps in their life can pick up a CL-40 and wipe a whole lobby for whilst there's no skill needed. Now that 3rd partying is WORSE than ever, people being clumped up together makes it even easier for the CL-40 players. Sword on Light should be massively nerfed and I don't comprehend why that has not been done last week. Honestly, if this keeps on going as a player with like almost 800+ steam hours and is close to getting diamond. I actually am thinking about quitting the game if things like this cant be nerfed. Same for Pike tbf. What the hell is going on with that? You guys have not gotten the balancing right at all this season. Another last part, the ranked system is the absolute worst it has ever been. I get put in "very easy lobbies" on 36,5k RS. whilst I have to play against 6-7 teams that have like 44k RS and are in the top 10. I gain around 300rs. and lose 1400 rs. in a VERY EASY LOBBY, with solely diamond players having like 8kRS higher than me. Make it make sense? Please fix the game? Atleast make playing against 7 diamond teams "intermediate or challenging and let me gain like 500 rs whilst I have 36,5k myself? This is absolutely horrific. Also take out Kyoto for ranked since itā€™s just not a map for competitive ranked mode at all.

vivid finch
#

Another day of asking the Mesh shield to not be nerfed into the ground heavy

fleet timber
#

what genius came up with this task
"Headshot 50 opponents from a distance of 50 meters or more"

  1. it can only be done with one weapon
  2. such distances are very rare
  3. it's a very dynamic game with fast movement, as I have to aim at someone's HEAD at this distance + at this distance you can't see the enemies clearly
  4. the maps are set up so that there are very few open spaces and basically all the fights are very close
  5. it ruins the game for teammates because you have to run around trying out the distance and not fight together
    to solve this
  6. remove this task
  7. remove the distance binding
  8. remove the binding to the head
  9. the possibility of replacing such stuffy tasks
    I spent a million times to complete this stifling task and only got 19
    it's easier to drop the game than to suffocate so much
merry creek
steel onyx
echo venture
torpid sky
#

nerf model
nerf pike
nerf cl
nerf charge n slam
revert mesh nerf
revert xp dmg nerf and nerf the range instead

strange ermine
# wraith orchid ok guys i have a take that may be controversial but is still interesting to thin...

Here's the problem, right: what's stopping Lights from using these gadgets selfishly like they do already? Invisiblity Grenade is already supposed to fill a team support role, but you never see Lights playing with their team enough for the others to get value from it. Same goes for the gateway, but that passively helps regardless of the Light player's intentions. Any team support gadgets you give to Light will automatically clash with the way the class is intended to be played. Light is meant to be a self-sufficient hit & run class. They're not brawlers like Heavy and Medium. Light is a fundamentally selfish class, that's why the pick rates are so high. People don't like relying on randoms for their success.

keen abyss
gritty owl
# upper citrus Hi I made a list of patch notes I would like to see in the game alongside notes ...

Overall reasonable changes. A few notes of mine:

  • I don't like removing randomness from barrels and jumppads. I like having some randomness in my games
  • having to wait for the decloak animation to use weapons. This would make playing dagger or knifes with cloak pretty awkward. Cloak should make you fully invisible, the reveal effect within 2m should be limited to the current cloaking effect and not make you visible. When moving slow/standing still, remaining cloak time should deplete slightly slower. The thermal vision should remain as is. I rarely ever see it used. It's a counter, sure, but you don't see gas, fire, map barriers etc. If at all, limit it's effective range. In fact I feel like exposing cloak is the only thing it's useful for
  • I dont like glowing nades. Would make them too easy to spot and be inconsistent to how mines work. Instead, they could add a highlighting effect to the sonar nades and the heavy sonar thing (forgot the name)
  • I really like the dash changes.
  • the turret instant locking on targets would make it very strong and extremely annoying. Instead makes it scan the full 90Ā°, but apply a constant lock-on time. Would remove the inconsistencies.
  • I don't think the revolver needs the rpm nerf, even when buffing it. It's already a very niche, skill based weapon.
  • dual blades should keep the damage resistance as is
  • don't like reverting the glitch trap. New glitch trap is so much better.
  • winch claw changes are good, but .75s windup seems way too much.
  • I don't like the akimbo changes, that would effectively turn it into a shotgun
  • anti grav cube changes are good (though it would be funny if orientation would affect the direction of gravity change)
deep mountain
#

World Tour

why do we have to wait for next season for the rewards
why cant we get the multibucks when we reach the specified tier?

crisp oxide
#

nerf cl40

broken thistle
#

matchmaking is so bad. started with 17.200 ks, now i'm around 15.000. always best on team, always losing points. really frustrating.

glass cradle
opal swallow
quick coyote
#

I think the riot shield needs more properties to make the sheild part of it more viable, maybe reduce fire damage taken when sheilding, as the fire sticks around alot longer on a sheild than the player, causing damage anyways, or change the hitbox of the riot sheild to cover maybe 2-4% more of the player, as the shield against some guns feel inconsistent

The dual blades arent very consistent or easy to use, Especially switching from trying to attack an opponent to blocking, sometimes the animations seem to be a bit drawn out for blocking to be easily accessible, maybe change it where the on the attacks where its two slashes, have it possible to cancel the second slash to go into a block.

And as a precision weapon, the pike needs less body damage, and more damage falloff, but the headshot damage stays the same, even with the damage additional damage falloff, making it harder to use as precision shots are more required to be competitive as a weapon

toxic mural
#

I need M4 / Mk18 / AR15 for new gun

night bone
signal cosmos
# shy swan 1k hours n this game is is literaly painfuly persistantly dissapointing - almost...
  • There is no auto mantel. You mantel when you hold the jump button.
  • charge can already be cancelled by pressing it again mb i read that one wrong
  • low gravity is already gone in ranked
  • showing spawns would be crazy imo. They've already adjusted the spawn loactions in recent updates to reduce third parties.
  • defib already revives less than 50% (40% unless they buffed it and I didn't notice)

The only thing I can agree with is a Pike nerf

echo venture
polar shell
quick coyote
#

Whatā€™s going on with the missing rank in games

silver pebble
#

Cl-40 is shameful. Ranking mode is unplayable

wraith orchid
#

you cant balance a game from the point of randoms that solo queue and do whatever they want. this game is supposed to be played while communicating and should be balanced from that standpoint. you are in a disadvantage if you get a foolish light in your team but THIS IS BY NO MEANS THE GAMES FAULT BUT THE PLAYERS ONLY.
its hilarous
there are also so many mediums and heavys that do their thing and dont even think about staying together. BUT just because light is the weakest and has ever been AND light got the stamp put on it that its not really helpfull, NOBODY complains about M/H fools as teammates. light is most played therefore there are also more fools but zhere are more than enough on H/M side too. so many people use the light in their team as an excuse why they lost the round. i am light main and this happend soo often to me its funny. playing dogshit but complaining about the other mates THAT ARE BETTER. I would consider myself as a really good player and it is disgusting how often that happened to me. but more often there are situations where i get insultet at the start of the match but at the end they praise me xd.

light being underpowered is a problem but no teamplay has NOTHING to do with the game itself and is not in the hand of the developers.

wake up pls @strange ermine

wintry oyster
#

Defibrillator is to strong. If a gadget is a must pick, thatā€™s never a good sign.
I heard the idea before to nerf it so the m8 being revived can be shot during the process (canceling the revive). I think this is actually not a bad idea.
The benefit is that revives can not be brain dead and mid combat on top of the enemy anymore. You have to actually take the m8 and put him somewhere safe to defib him. You still have the advantage of faster revives but you loose the on the go rez ability in someoneā€™s face.

keen lily
#

lmao patch delayed, one more day of not playing the game

dark niche
# echo venture Just turn off crossplay....

read again, the crossplay thats turned off is impossible to find a match, because the players that join the game already have crossplay on, aka the new players. so really theres nobody that plays console only lobbys because of this issue. its like playing ranked in Antarctica you aint gonna find 24 people who play the same console as you at the same time, hence why people have crossplay on, however they can remove the pc / xbox / ps4
and just have xbox / ps4 only lobbys since were on controller... and we dont have 120 + fps. id much rather season 1 from the gameplay and the cross platform back then where it was so fair for everyone as a console / pc player myself i also think its very unfair matching up against cheaters whilst on console cuz we cant do anything about it, but again you can agree to disagree, like i said the majority of pc players would want to fight us console players cuz were that slow compared to them.

mortal notch
#

3.0 to 4.1 is possibly the worst set of patch notes Iā€™ve ever read the sheer lack of (communicated) bug fixes
Balance changes that actually make sense and just general bad balancing is absolutely crazy
Please nerf pike/model the triple med meta makes me wanna drink paint stripper

dense agate
#

Honestly this might be insanely controversial but make ranked role queue. Leave other modes freely able to bring multiple of the same class, but make ranked role based. The meta should be defined within what players choose to synergize as gadgets across multiple classes than just spamming heal beam defib with the strong weapon on medium that season. If this game is willing to experiment to the point that it brang a completely new mode into ranked for a whole season. Try role queue. AT LEAST for 1 season. The creativity of having stackable classes is an ideal scenario, but if you have a situation where that class has a very strong gadget you can stack and make it very very frustrating for all players to play against, then you need to fit different classes forcibly. Please please please for the love of god try role queue next season.

TLDR: Make ranked role queue (LMH only, no stackable classes), Do not touch other modes (like world tour) so people are still allowed to express class variety in that mode.

strange ermine
# wraith orchid you cant balance a game from the point of randoms that solo queue and do whateve...

Nowhere in my argument did I say that random Lights are the problem. Quite the opposite, actually. I put the pressure on Mediums and Heavies, because they're the classes that need each other the most. I mentioned Light pick rates being high BECAUSE they're self-sufficient and don't rely as heavily on their random teammates to do what they're designed to do; which is go harrass people. And no, it's not the fault of the players that Light is a bad class, that's entirely the fault of the way this game is designed. A hit & run class will automatically be disadvantaged when all the competitive modes require capturing a stationary objective, which Medium and Heavy are both designed to do. I'm sorry people are blaming you for their losses, but don't fucking presume to tell me to "wake up" when you fundamentally misunderstand the point I'm making. Lights aren't balanced for the competitive modes in this game, nor are they balanced around fighting in prolonged brawls with their team. That's a blatant fact.

past idol
#

My WT rank is glitched, Iā€™ve 1180/1150? This happen to anyone else

fickle linden
night bone
# echo venture Double edged sword, embark cant do anything about that, unless the player bases ...

I play on Xbox and find a match with cross off Is pratically impossibile on EU (on NA is pretty easy tho) while on ps5 you don't have any problem (and i can say that because a friend of mine play on ps5). So, assuming that PC players are the majority of the community (maybe im wrong on this), i also can assume that find a match with crossplay off on PC Is preatty easy...so, add input based matchmaking or console crossplay only would not be a problem i think...

strong trellis
#

I like this game šŸ™‚

sterile tendon
tulip steppe
#

People are actually complaining about the model? Ya'll are gonna ruin this game fr

echo venture
whole belfry
#

Hi.
Dual swords block and deflection are fine, please dont touch that. For now at least.
Two points i would like you (Embark crew)to consider is:

  1. make the attacks a bit faster
  2. The ability to cancel attacks quicker to get into block. (At least 3rd swing.)
    I think these two points would make a difference, without duals in any way becoming op. Dont want them to fundamentaly changed in any way. Please no rework. I think the idea with them, and what you have come up with is great. Just needs tweaking šŸ™‚
    Regards
    230h+ ingame duals only player
odd ibex
# wintry oyster Defibrillator is to strong. If a gadget is a must pick, thatā€™s never a good sign...

Lights grapple should be stuck to surfaces for vertical positioning and scouting from interesting vertical angles or ambush,use grapple to pull team mates idols for revives.

We need a flare gun gadget(light) so bad thatā€™s sticks to enemies or walls. Itā€™s low damage but it long term so it help for enemy player to avoid pursuing and heal itā€™s also bright and colourful sparks to show enemy location when it stick and leaves a spark trail on the map
Give sonar back to medium

The heavy charge m slam immediately does maximum damage even if heavy start right in front of and almost no visual warning out of nowhere,itā€™s completely unbalanced,add the grunt audio right before it activates not in the middle of charge n slam,it should half damage for charge and more knock back when it start and maximum damage at the slam.

crisp oxide
#

FIX THE SHIT BROKKEN TRIPLE MEDIUM RANKED META OMG

dense agate
# crisp oxide FIX THE SHIT BROKKEN TRIPLE MEDIUM RANKED META OMG

Honestly this might be insanely controversial but make ranked role queue. Leave other modes freely able to bring multiple of the same class, but make ranked role based. The meta should be defined within what players choose to synergize as gadgets across multiple classes than just spamming heal beam defib with the strong weapon on medium that season. If this game is willing to experiment to the point that it brang a completely new mode into ranked for a whole season. Try role queue. AT LEAST for 1 season. The creativity of having stackable classes is an ideal scenario, but if you have a situation where that class has a very strong gadget you can stack and make it very very frustrating for all players to play against, then you need to fit different classes forcibly. Please please please for the love of god try role queue next season.

TLDR: Make ranked role queue (LMH only, no stackable classes), Do not touch other modes (like world tour) so people are still allowed to express class variety in that mode.

[pasted]

red echo
carmine token
# dense agate Honestly this might be insanely controversial but make ranked role queue. Leave ...

This is the best way to make people insta-leave or just avoid ranked outright. If I had to guess, the majority of the playerbase avoids playing at least one class (probably Light or Heavy) and at least 50% of players never seriously play anything outside of their main. Now imagine being forced to play something suboptimal to you because someone clicked the Medium button first. I might as well quit and lose the points, because I won't be able to do anything of value anyway and I don't feel like wasting 10 minutes.

The ONLY way to do this would be to lock your class choice in BEFORE it even matchmakes you, which is possible, but goes counter to how the rest of the game lets you do it so I don't think they'd ever allow it.

mortal notch
tulip steppe
#

Embark pls fix the spawning in wt. When we wipe a team and start to take vault to the station they usually spawn like very near to us..giving us no time to prepare

teal venture
fickle sundial
potent oasis
#

In 10 games usually i am in 8 or 9 in first 3 seeds. Why is that? It makes ranked so difficult meaning i have mostly win every game to get points. Why do i get such a high seed place all the time?

round bramble
#

My thoughts about:

Healbeam:
To My opinion Healbeam should be disturbed/disconnect by incoming damage or the healed player should not be able to trigger his weapon as well as the Healer. It should only be a tool for regenerating after and between Fights and not as an unfair tool to let one fight against an infinite healthpool. 3x Medium with 2 Healbeams 3 Defabs and 1 Dematerializer seems to be The Meta wich lead to really unattractive and not finals-chaos-style Fights especially in the Final Round.

trim saffron
#

add a nonchalant dreadhead hair style type beat. you know, the kind that makes you think they don't give no damn about anything type jawn. the kinda guy to say type shit after every sentence type shit

harsh torrent
#

Buff building health, in my opinion, buildings before season 4 feels more like a building, now it feels more like a cardboard...

Ps: 1 rpg can demolish half of the building at times (i dont think buildings work that way)

Edit: yeah buffing health would make mines trash against building, however to solve this, you can just keep the wall health high, at the same time tweak the mines so it can destroy walls despite the walls having more health...

teal bear
proper crescent
wraith orchid
# strange ermine Nowhere in my argument did I say that random Lights are the problem. Quite the o...

wrong,

wouldnt the h/m classes be so overpowered damage wise, lights would be the best in movement, recon AND DAMAGE.
-do you need 2 tanks? not really
-do you need 2 supports? rather than tanks but like i said in my first take if it would be balanced, you wouldnt need 2.
light is absolutely valuable AND it is the most valuable IN COORDINATION WITH THE TEAM LIKE EVERY CLASS

if there is a heavy as tank going in, a med behind him healing, who is shooting the enemy? ideally the class with the highest damage output, which should be light. you dont seem to understand that just because your light mates do not play in coordination with you, they arent instantly BAD DESIGNED.

a exact way to find out the right balance is to look at every matchup (in close to mid quarters) against a team of hlm (hhm;lmm;mmmā€¦) filtering out, why stacking more than 1 kind of a class in a team is too powerful and adjust it so that a HLM team is the one with the most value potential.

one thing to admitt is that people DO NOT PLAY coordinated untill it is some easy ass mechanic like healbeam.
defib doesnt even rely on teamplay its just op.

sorry for that wake up, wasnt cool.

You say light isnt balanced at all.
depends on the perspective.
IN MY OPINION light was the most balanced class before all the nerfs.
THE OTHER CLASSES are the ones that are not balanced.
Talking about weapon damage, m and h ttk got buffed insanely while lights damage got nerfed.
so why dont buff light instead of nerfing h and m? because this would mean much lower ttkā€˜s for ALL classes.
and this is really just personal preference but i would hate shorter ttk and LOVED the ttks in season 1/2.
i hat csgo and valorant because of the low ttk and it would kill the game for me if they would go further in that direction tbh.

crisp oxide
#

here to report the triple medium meta with cl40 and 3 defibs reallyreally sucks. either revert 2 explosive mines at one to stop the constant defib from the team comp or limit the ammount of defbis on on team comps please so do something this suks so bad in ranked. u did such a great job of trying to not create a set meta but in the high lvls or ranked its obvious the 3 medium defib build with pike and cl40 is best by lo0ng shoto

mellow narwhal
#

šŸ•Æ
šŸ•Æ šŸ•Æ
šŸ•Æ pike nerf šŸ•Æ

   šŸ•Æ     model nerf    šŸ•Æ

     šŸ•Æ    cl nerf     šŸ•Æ
          šŸ•Æ       šŸ•Æ
               šŸ•Æ
tulip steppe
odd ibex
# mellow narwhal šŸ•Æ šŸ•Æ šŸ•Æ šŸ•Æ pike nerf šŸ•Æ šŸ•Æ m...

šŸ•Æ
šŸ•Æ šŸ•Æ
šŸ•Æ pike nerf šŸ•Æ

   šŸ•Æ     model nerf    šŸ•Æ

     šŸ•Æ    cl nerf     šŸ•Æ
          šŸ•Æ       šŸ•Æ
               šŸ•Æ

Lights grapple should be stuck to surfaces for vertical positioning and scouting from interesting vertical angles or ambush,use grapple to pull team mates idols for revives.

We need a flare gun gadget(light) so bad thatā€™s sticks to enemies or walls. Itā€™s low damage but it long term so it help for enemy player to avoid pursuing and heal itā€™s also bright and colourful sparks to show enemy location when it stick and leaves a spark trail on the map
Give sonar back to medium

The heavy charge m slam immediately does maximum damage even if heavy start right in front of and almost no visual warning out of nowhere,itā€™s completely unbalanced,add the grunt audio right before it activates not in the middle of charge n slam,it should half damage for charge and more knock back when it start and maximum damage at the slam.

mortal notch
thick sorrel
#

šŸ•Æļø
šŸ•Æļø šŸ•Æļø
šŸ•Æļø pike dmg nerf šŸ•Æļø

   šŸ•Æļø     model range nerf    šŸ•Æļø

     šŸ•Æļø    cl splash nerf     šŸ•Æļø

     šŸ•Æļø  deagle range nerf    šŸ•Æļø
                   šŸ•Æļø
sudden tangle
#

so pretty much 4.2 is delayed because embark screwed smth up with s3 rewards. on top of that 4.2 will be all about giving players their s3 rewards. can it be that 4.2 doesnt in any way help the horrendous state of light in competitive? if thats the case then thats laughable.

idle oracle
# tulip steppe Like..it's a shotgun, ofcourse it does high dmg. The moment you miss a shot your...

Because:

  • It does high damage up close, more than capable of harassing and downing heavies
  • Can two shot lights from a good distance away. Most lights will lose a fight with a model, even from an ambush situation.
  • still does 20 damage on 30 meters away, making it always w good idea to shoot
  • shoots rather rapidly. There really isnā€™t much time to punish before you get the next shot at you
  • reload time is rather quick and I believe can be done partly, so you arenā€™t out of ammo often
  • This very strong weapon is on a support class that can instantly revive, heal, create turrets as a distraction, incredible movement options with jumppad, etc.
  • same class also has good health and is almost as fast (and frequently faster with gadgets) as the speedy class.

In short, it is a very good weapon on a class with nigh on broken support. It simply cannot have both, pick good weapons or good support, not both.

novel stream
#

THIS IS THE 5th TIME IM IN HERE HERE AND THEIR THEIR IS A BUG BECAUSE THE SHITY TESTERS CANT FIND ANYTHING AND THE DEVS CANT FIX ANYTHING FIRST OF ALL REMOVE KYOTO AS NO ONE LIKES IT AND THEN WHEN YOU WIN THE FIRST ROUND GUESS WHAT SAY BYE BYE BECAUSE YOUR GAME JUST FROZE IN THE KNOCKOUT ROUND DISSCONECTING EVERYONE DEVS YOUR UPDATES ARE WORSE THEN THE STRONGEST BATTLES GROUNDS AND THEY HAVE THE WORST UPDATE IN THE WORLD LIKE FIX YOU SHITY GAME

vital grove
#

Somethings wron with the servers, i queue for a ranked game and it randomly kick me out or it doesnt load

teal bear
frigid cloak
#

Whole server crash with no reconnect, Embark you just robbed me on 1300rp

ember ridge
#

anyone else having issues to connect into games

update: works again

potent oasis
#

Yea same for me
Maybe update or it's really that bad?

thorn copper
#

can't get even in practice

past idol
#

Thanks hey we got to final and the server crashed. Lost all our points. In the game before that we got the incorrect points.

toxic plover
#

Server's down for sure

knotty ingot
#

can someone connect to the game ?

vernal ridge
broken geyser
#

I can't get into any games

mellow narwhal
#

šŸ•Æ
šŸ•Æ šŸ•Æ
šŸ•Æ pike nerf šŸ•Æ

   šŸ•Æ     model nerf    šŸ•Æ

     šŸ•Æ    cl nerf     šŸ•Æ
          šŸ•Æ       šŸ•Æ
               šŸ•Æ

Lights grapple should be stuck to surfaces for vertical positioning and scouting from interesting vertical angles or ambush,use grapple to pull team mates idols for revives.

We need a flare gun gadget(light) so bad thatā€™s sticks to enemies or walls. Itā€™s low damage but it long term so it help for enemy player to avoid pursuing and heal itā€™s also bright and colourful sparks to show enemy location when it stick and leaves a spark trail on the map
Give sonar back to medium

The heavy charge m slam immediately does maximum damage even if heavy start right in front of and almost no visual warning out of nowhere,itā€™s completely unbalanced,add the grunt audio right before it activates not in the middle of charge n slam,it should half damage for charge and more knock back when it start and maximum damage at the slam.

dreamy dirge
#

yup also down for meeee sad

jovial dawn
#

me too

woeful patio
#

cant play even quick play šŸ˜¦

craggy basin
dense marlin
#

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to control

wind meteor
# round bramble My thoughts about: Healbeam: To My opinion Healbeam should be disturbed/disconn...

While I agree about the frustrating 3 Medium stacking, your suggestion for the healbeam is ridiculous! What's the point of having a heal beam that works the way you suggested when all Health can regenerate on its own.

Already when someone is healing, it's less firepower into the fight! Yeah, you're fighting someone who's being healed, but do you prefer fighting 2 at the same time?

Also, infinite heal? that's ridiculous, the heal beam is 40 points/s and overheats even before completely healing a medium. All weapons can deal more than 40 damage/s, and fighting a medium being healed, is as much health as 1.5 mediums at most, while dealing with one firepower instead of two.

So you clearly know nothing about the heal beam. I rarely had a problem eliminating someone being healed.

pearl willow
tulip steppe
#

@idle oracleYeah but it's not like the model is easy to use. It's pretty hard to hit lights with dash or heavies with flame thrower/charge/winch claw...etc

The reload is subjective. I believe its slow even even u have 5/6 and add wanna add one more it takes like a full sec. The only thing I agree they should nerf is the range. And are we forgetting the double barrel? Yk that shotgun that literally one taps lights and two taps heavies..

@teal bear my bad lmao. That was my way of agreeing with you. I just wrote that for those that are complaining. But yeah I agree with you. I think a range nerf would be fair without having to lower the damage. I mean every shotgun in the game should be able to 3 tap heavies only exception being the SA

strange ermine
# wraith orchid wrong, wouldnt the h/m classes be so overpowered damage wise, lights would be t...

"if there is a heavy as tank going in, a med behind him healing, who is shooting the enemy?"

You say this like heavy doesn't have 3 stop-gap gadgets and a whole specialization that circumvent this problem.

I'm sorry, but Light just doesn't provide the same benefits to the team in an objective based game that Medium and Heavy do. You're asking me if I'd rather have double the fortifications or double the healing vs having someone that can't help in a prolonged engagement because they're too fragile and on top of that they offer no utility to the team besides a high DPS.

dry quail
#

i think are increasing the times that the cashbox is under the floor, played since december and it's start happening only in the last couple of months

idle oracle
# tulip steppe <@371014008695947265>Yeah but it's not like the model is easy to use. It's prett...

As much as I hate double barrel, it lacks range and is on a class without many support options: their support is damage/harassing enemies.
But most calls to nerfs on model is that range and spread. And sure, model might not be easy to use (I just canā€™t), but that isnā€™t usually the best reason to nerf or buff something. For an exaggerated example, if there was a weapon that required a very precision dance to activate but once activated wipes the entire map, people are not going to enjoy fighting the people who mastered it.

night crypt
#

Bring back old knife

rapid stream
harsh torrent
#

If ure gonna buff the cl 40 then atleast give other classes some sort of aps turret šŸ„²

cyan trench
granite vector
fading yoke
#

Can't the devs just finally nerf defib? 3 Mediums has been the meta since the damn release. I want more varied comps in high ranks

ruby brook
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not so hot take nobody was complaining about the xp54 being overtuned there was no reason for the nerf while buffing every other ar/mg in the game xp was only overtuned in terminal because it favored that playstyle somehow were back to season 1 meta of triple med also hot take limit healbeam/ defib to 1 per team or move defibs over to light/ add healing ablilites to spread out sustain to where its not all on one class preventing stacking (idea heal dart a stungun like pistol that you can shoot teamates or stab yourself for a healing over time/speed boost possibly a new gadget/specilazion) ps seasons been great besides small stuff like that

zealous pulsar
unique wasp
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Not a big fan of the role queue idea. I was down with hero limits and role queue in Overwatch, but that was because that game felt like it was meant to be a very rigidly played comp shooter from the start and it didn't feel like there was a ton of room for creative strats and comps in ways that made matches more fun.

Finals to me feels like Overwatch's polar opposite in that a wide open sandbox with plenty of room for creative strategies and interactions is the entire point. It would feel tragic if teams became so limited in structure in the main mode of the game.

dense willow
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-Remove the slowed speed while charging the knife
-Give an option for people to use the old backstab
(tap for old hold alt for new)

mortal notch
strange ermine
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@wraith orchid Now, if they add class specific perks to Light that affect steal speed like I'd mentioned in a previous suggestion, we'd have a case for Light players adding something to their teams. Having a Light player on your team for the sheer benefit of being able to quickly/stealthily steal a cashout would be a game changer.

soft glacier
plain kiln
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triple medium being the most competitively viable has no place in the finals, the shared defib cooldown between mediums i have been suggesting would definenetly help

echo urchin
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Make it so the stun gun, thermal bore, thermal charges, and c4 will explode the revive hologram.

Make it so goo can trap statues, which will slow down revives and make it so they have to destroy the goo to move the statue somewhere else.

Create tactical counters to what makes the medium OP.

dense marlin
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Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to control

vapid sand
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After playing almost daily since the open beta, i would like to share my point of view.. i read so many BS posts with absolutely zero input, only "nerf bla bla" ... nonsense.
Im playing on PC - EU - MKB - Crossplay off cuz im sick of XIM and other stuff (yea i know you can use it on PC too but anyways).

Heavy is quite balanced. IDK why the akimbo deagle are more accurate on long range than most other weapons but okay. Because of the increased cooldown of Shield, heavy is getting more and more aggressive which doesnt fit the playstyle in my opinion.
Medium isnt OP right now like everybody says, its just the bad decisions that was made to give medium EVERYTHING. It got the best weapon CL - the only thing that can counter CL (APS) - Revive - healing beam - jumppad - zipline - glich trap.... there is absolutly NO NEED to play any other class because medium got it. Of cause medium should heal and defib because thats the class but its just not fair.
Lets get to light, my favorite class which i play since beta. Only playable in casual or lower ranks where the enemys dont play together or run alone. Light is completely unbalanced right now and not playable in higher ranks. After the XP nerf and buffing CL for medium, there is absolutely no reason to play L anymore. Thats also the reason why i switched fom L to M after almost 1 year only L. A 1v1 vs M or H (even CL or pike) is balanced but if there are more then 1 enemy or the enemy teamg got more then 1 CL + APS you are lost. L is more a handycap for the team then anything else because you cant fight offensive with your team. The vanishbomb range is to low to be useful for the team. The only good thing they got is the sonar but thats it. Sniper is a complete joke and more an EGO fun weapon then useful for the team. The new shotgun is fun, just like XP or M11 but your low HP and almost zero benefits for your team is making your class useless. Stungun, sneak behind enemys with invi only works on low ranks, like i said..

wind meteor
# tulip steppe <@371014008695947265>Yeah but it's not like the model is easy to use. It's prett...

The model shoots 10 bullets, only 2 of which are in the middle. More than often I depleted 75% of a Light's health, before they get far, and I followed it by 5 to 6 shots (keeping in mind the very low fire rate) to eliminate the Light at a distance. Because at a distance only the 2 middle bullets will hit, representing only 20% of the max damage, not considering the damage fall off.

And eliminating a Heavy with 3 taps is almost a dreamlike scenario in game. You have to be really close to deal that much damage with every tap, and forget it if the heavy has the flamethrower, the spear, or the sledge hammer.

@strange ermine Light can benefit the team if they want to. I play with my friend who mains Light, and I can confirm to you, on the days he feels like thinking straight, he can be a heaven for the team, but on the other days, just almost every other Light players, he is bloodthirsty and ranks up those kills only for us to loose. Because why revive me while my statue is in a safe place, when he can engage in a 3 vs 1 for his adrenaline rush he manages it?
I can assure it's a mentality. I've watched my other friend who mained Heavy, and used to stick to my ass to heal him and protect me, completely forgetting I exist as soon as he started playing as a Light. It's unbelievable what that rush does to them.

sudden tangle
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noticed a bug that makes the game unplayable: light is useless in competitive. please fix asap

hasty oriole
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Model and Pike need range fall off. PLEASE make defibs a specialization so triple M can stop stacking both beam and defib

eager vine
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Flashbangs have been buffed way too much IMO

rapid stream
solemn light
# vapid sand After playing almost daily since the open beta, i would like to share my point o...

Completely agree. As the xp54 shined in TA, the SR also shined in TA. If we are gonna start nerfing weapons that are most used, then why not apply the same physics nerfs to all similar weapons? The SR got projectile fall, then why do all ARs shoot straight at any range???? The xp54 was being used in range and got a damage decrease, then do the same to the ARs and any weapons being used more than their 'desired' range. These two weapons as annoying as they were, at least the xp54 gave Ls a chance. Sure, you can argue that m11 with sight is a mini xp54 of the past, but you still go around with the class with least health, being able to die so easily against the arsenal of Ms and Hs.
Also, why do the classes not follow their type? Damage should contrast health. Medium having the best weapons but not the worst health or mobility makes it a no brainer against picking anything else. And instead of giving the slowest class in the game (Heavy) all the movement gadgets, they go ahead and give it to the most powerful class.
Lastly, where is the level 9 skin???

carmine token
# strange ermine <@501318891377524738> Now, if they add class specific perks to Light that affect...

That would only be useful in a world where Lights aren't allergic to being next to their team members or any relevant objectives. So, not this world. You could give Lights a 50% steal speed buff and 90% of them would still be incapable of even trying.
Pretty much what @wind meteor said. Lights are capable of playing in a team, and the gadget/specialization nerfs that people want here would affect Lights just as much as the "meta" they so hate.
With the right weapon buffs/nerfs, a Heavy Mesh, Medium Beam and Light Dash could have easily been the "meta", balancing the three roles. Instead, you nerf the two specializations that a good Light could have played off of and give the advantage to specializations that hardly benefit Lights, or any other team members, at all.

Seriously, I already tried to prioritize my Heavy teammates for heals and defibs before any Lights since they are guaranteed to survive longer and I can heal them more reliably, and that was BEFORE the multiple nerfs the Beam got. The only thing a further Defib or Beam nerf's gonna do is ensure that Lights get further overlooked by their Medium teammates every time.

surreal meadow
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**EMBARK!!

DROP 5v5 CASH

AND MY WALLET IS YOURS!!! Day 33/100 šŸ—£ļø šŸ—£ļø šŸ”„**

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ember dirge
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EMBARK U HAD TWO WHOLE WEEKS OVER DUE ALREADY, TO RELEASE THESE REWARDS AND YET U GUYS SOMEHOW LEAVE IT TO THE DAY OF AGAIN TO Figure OUT U HAVE TO WAIT AGAIN, LETS GO EMBARK GET IT TOGETHER

dusty totem
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please

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flint prawn
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Please add hud opacity slider to prevent oled burn-in.
Thank you

strange ermine
# carmine token That would only be useful in a world where Lights aren't allergic to being next ...

Right, I had a whole conversation earlier about how selfish the Light class is by virtue of its hit & run playstyle. It simply doesn't work for the stationary objectives in comp. I'm just spitballing ideas to give them any measure of utility in these modes.

@wraith orchid They're not encouraged to use any of these gadgets for the benefit of their team because of how the class is designed. All their utility goes to supporting themselves. Any benefit to the team is collateral to their primary purpose. Stop strawmanning. I'm explaining to you that Light class has a fundamental flaw in its gameplay loop that prevents it from measuring up to Medium and Heavy. You'll never meaningfully improve Light teamplay with the current playstyle it's forced to adopt just to play the damn game.

@wind meteor As you said, your friend is an exception not the rule. A Heavy or Medium is equally capable of reviving someone. The Light class simply lacks as many team support options as Medium and Heavy, and is furthermore discouraged to use them for the benefit of their team due to their fragility in open engagements.

wraith orchid
odd ibex
# vapid sand After playing almost daily since the open beta, i would like to share my point o...

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Lights grapple should be stuck to surfaces for vertical positioning and scouting from interesting vertical angles or ambush,use grapple to pull team mates idols for revives.

We need a flare gun gadget(light) so bad thatā€™s sticks to enemies or walls. Itā€™s low damage but it long term so it help for enemy player to avoid pursuing and heal itā€™s also bright and colourful sparks to show enemy location when it stick and leaves a spark trail on the map
Give sonar back to medium

The heavy charge m slam immediately does maximum damage even if heavy start right in front of and almost no visual warning out of nowhere,itā€™s completely unbalanced,add the grunt audio right before it activates not in the middle of charge n slam,it should half damage for charge and more knock back when it start and maximum damage at the slam.

With all the buffed guns and low time to kill dagger needs ONE click backstab like before and u can hold it as well.

deep summit
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The no rank showing patch is stupid, you get griefed cause other players know of you, not cause of your rank. They could also easily search your username, add streamer mode like every other game

Jumppad makes 0 audio, fix it

Worst audio in any game

dense marlin
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Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to control

quick coyote
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Let us wear watches with multi gloves / more glove types.

Also let us wear a watch with the duskvane jacket how itā€™s shown in the art for S4ā€¼ļø

light steeple
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I lag horribly but only on Kyoto, is that common or no (I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling)

fluid raptor
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Revert XP damage from 16 back to 18 or at least 17. V9s is literally better in every single aspect now- higher ttk in close to midrange and enough bullets to oneclip at far range. XP is a joke now, you can barely oneclip a stationary heavy at far midrange or a m at long range. And with the new reticle, v9s is even easier to use. Not only is the recoil way easier to control, the visibility is also no longer an issue with the new reticle.

XP was really well balanced before. It was good in every aspect but another weapon on light was always better in at least one of those aspects. Xp lost in close range to Sh, v9s, m11 and in far range against sniper and lh1. Now it's just objectively worse in every aspect compared to weapons that used to be more specialized.

untold locust
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Servers are clearly getting worse as yall try save money or something; luck based melee is not rewarding or enjoyable.
Please spend some money on server upgrades

stuck fox
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give us emerald v9s skin

green light
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CL40 CL40 CL40 DAMN NERF IT QUICKLY !!!!!!!!!
World tour is totaly unplayable with team full CL40 !!!!!!!!!!

mortal notch
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Nerf cl-40/pike/model. triple med meta makes me wanna drink paint stripper

violet elbow
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really hope the emerald AK is actually fully emerald, and not diamond in the front

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worn horizon
mellow steeple
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I think we need a CL-40 nerf and for the love of god give L throwing knives amo

shy token
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As we can all see, THE FINALS' community is deeply passionate when it comes to concept art and making drip. Earlier this year we saw the switch away from exclusive bundle pricing to individual items now being made available for purchase. This alone allowed a great amount of customisation and personalisation of the game. But @shy token is back this time to argue the case for community driven input.

By allowing the community to create fan-made concepts and outfits using available items, TF has allowed its community to creatively flourish. However, we think, and there are others who have considered this idea as well within the community, that new community made items should be given the chance to be official and in-game.

This would not be the first time that such a thing exists in the world of gaming. Warframe's 'TennoGen' is one of the best examples of having the community be involved in the creative process. This engagement's potential is virtually limitless and invaluable for the game's longevity and community. It can be further sustained by giving the creator(s) a chance to be awarded through a variety of ways, in combination or merely by themselves:
(a) recognition,
(b) in-game or IRL payment,
(c) but most importantly a free (perhaps personalised) version of the very same item that will be immortalised in the world of TF.
(DAY 45)

fading yoke
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It's time to do something to the 3x medium meta, it's been like that since release. Defib is the biggest reason and pike right now is overpowered as fuck.

fickle patio
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Heavy class melee wepon idea - Iron Fists:
-Less damage than sledgehammer
-Faster hit rate than sledgehammer
-Can block bullets (not explosives) when holding rmb (doesn't ricochet them, just eats them up)
-Much worse enviromental destructivity than sledgehammer
-When using these fists and using charge ability, the charge hit damage is increased
-When using fists and doing a slam jump there will be a shockwave stunning enemies nearby (taser stun) and you will destroy much more stuff around you than without the fists.
(Image as a reference taken from Team Fortress 2 - Fists of Steel)

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sullen ridge
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Dude these guys are working on the game not you šŸ˜­ stop the hate

spiral valve
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Did an update come out today?

odd ibex
# fickle patio Heavy class melee wepon idea - Iron Fists: -Less damage than sledgehammer -Faste...

Apart from the silly taser effect,itā€™s a solid idea,way better then spear cause atleast fist has destruction.

Maybe u can climb walls with fists.

šŸ’„Auto cross for heavy class and u can climb on top of the bolts https://youtu.be/LN1j3w0zchU?si=7g8onmgiaC2Qs8Fs

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Volound
Far Cry 4 - Auto-Cross Headshot Stealth Streak

The culmination of my forays with the Auto-Cross. I go on a brutal free-running streak across the Himalayas near Keo Mine #4.

This is a series, full playlist is here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlmEEm6A0j5BZLPm56kJez5Gx-sMKITe3

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uneven dagger
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Caps lock warriors šŸ¤¢

primal frost
zealous pulsar
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the 50 headshots from 50+ meters away challenge is absolutely unbearable to play. i will only keep doing it because i've already invested like 25 power shift games to get these 34 headshots, but man it makes the game boring and frustrating both for me and my teammates, not even counting the enemy team

magic swift
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ALERT: Polemic Opinion

Many say that Attack the Terminal was bad and that it was one of the reasons why the previous season didn't go well and failed to retain players. However, even before the 3rd season, the game was already stagnant with 16K players, according to SteamDB.

In my opinion, Attack the Terminal was a mode that, if supported from the start, could have been a game-changer for The Finals. I say this because it forced the team to play togetherā€”there was no revival or healing, and once you were out, you stayed out until the end of the round. Gadgets were limited and strategic, and health consisted of both armor and normal health.

This mode still offered something that the vast majority of players from other games know well, but with The Finalsā€™ own twist. With different classes, impactful gadgets, and gameplay combined with map destruction that completely changes each match, it could have stood out as a strategic and balanced mode.

Unfortunately, modes like this are often disliked by the remaining community, who seem to prefer fast-paced modes like Cashout. While those modes can be fun, they are frustrating for beginners because the playstyle is entirely different, where playing as a team is essential. For new players, the learning curve can be too steep, and the experience becomes more frustrating than rewarding.

In my opinion, Embark should reconsider the direction of the game and listen less to the toxic and loud minority that resists every good change aimed at balancing the game and bringing in new players. They should take inspiration from game modes that already work well in other games, but add their unique touch. With classes, strategic gadgets, and map destruction, The Finals could offer something special, combining the best of both worlds and potentially reviving its player base.

untold locust
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It's understandable that mathematically speaking automatic weapons should excel due to averaging; but 3 seasons of medium meta has me bored if i'm winning.
Really why would you give them multiple of the best weapons and gadgets as well as give them healing beam?
I think medium was the devs starting point/baseline spot during development and they have convinced themselves that if they "mess with" the baseline then they will mess the whole "balance" that the game is built around.
The problem is that relative balance isn't objective balance; thus the meta we still have.
Looking at skewered data due to pick rates will never be the same as playing the game and actually seeing why these pick rates exist.

deep summit
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Audio is competely bugged from this terrible patch, you changed so no rank is visible in ranked, now TP Makes no audio and jumppad makes no audio nice

There is no point of not showing RS, the team will see the seeding number, look at how you look + team comp and avoid you. Pointless, thoughtless patch.

Make streamer mode to hide usernames, people grief cause they know of your username, not cause of your points šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø

Reply to Amr: there was a patch, you can't see any team rank now, so yes there was a patch cause it wasn't like this yesterday

torpid sky
pearl rune
wind moat
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nerf cl40 nerf pike

rapid stream
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Dagger feels amazing now but making the charge time quicker / getting rid of the movement penalty would be really appreciated ( dash nerf being reverted would be nice too )

dense marlin
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Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to control

quaint forge
coral forum
river plover
fringe burrow
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I gotta say most changes were good, but I despise the sniper CL-40 changes, adding inconsistent bullet drop to a gun which scope has no graduations for referencing is just terrible game feel and design. If you are gonna keep this change at the bare minimum add a rangefinder to the sniper scope view and graduations that correspond to set distances. I dont even play sniper often since I'm a medium main, but taking it out now feels like a total crapshoot and the slow travel time being inconsistent with partial hitscan in a game where people are constantly moving just doesn't work, its basically only useful against players who stand still or trying to hit within the hitscan range. I was even a kraber main gigachad in Titanfall 2, and the way yall balanced this sniper is worse in every way, and in that game kraber was a straight up one shot anywhere on the body. Also CL-40 has become the crutch and troll weapon of choice after that huge buff. Its actually kinda nuts that it does MORE damage than the RPG with greatly reduced self damage. Like seriously, my friends and I got on a couple games with all CL-40s to see how bad it is and the other teams literally just ragequit after 2 minutes, I felt kinda bad lol. But it is so nuts at this point its gonna need a total rework if we can only swing it between totally useless to crazy OP. The amount of people using CL as a close range weapon and shooting literally a few feet in front of them is awful and goes against how GLs are supposed to work in games. Coupled with the fact teammates take no damage from your explosives only compounds this problem, and should honestly be looked at as a balancing option.

deep summit
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Revert the "performance update" I use to get 100fps average, now I get <60 fps :(

fading yoke
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https://i.imgur.com/1e7df5A.jpeg can we finally do something about the 3 medium meta? This is getting ridiculous. 3 seasons in a row Medium keeps being the most OP class. I'd like to see some variance in playable comps. Biggest problem is the STILL ridiculously overpowered defib. Also the sniper nerf is very stupid when pike barely has any dmg falloff. You actually lose to pike most of the time even on long range because of the bullet drop. It's just stupid matchup.

mortal notch
surreal meadow
# magic swift **ALERT: Polemic Opinion** Many say that Attack the Terminal was bad and that i...

this can be circumvented by
ADDING 5v5 CASH

simpler cash formula for noobs (Team A vs Team B, no third partying)
condescend, fairer chaos for experienced (extra chaos on a single point, easier to play as a team)
signature gamemode for fans (cashout - quick cash)

@gritty owl EXACTLY fucking that. 5v5 Cash when embark
@tropic root exactly. without all the bullshit you can pull off, would we really be playing the finals? Guns + Movement + Destruction + BullShit = The Finals (its perfect)

gritty owl
# magic swift **ALERT: Polemic Opinion** Many say that Attack the Terminal was bad and that i...

i dont think terminal attack was a bad mode, but it was fundamentelly completely different from what the finals was trying to be. i also wouldnt say terminal attack is a good casual mode or good for new players. in fact, i'd say the opposite. if you are new to the game, chances are, you have no idea what you are doing, die immediately and then spend the rest of the round in spectator mode. Even outside of here, i've heard many people complain about terminal attack being the default ranked mode, or having to play a number of terminal attack rounds. It was an experiment, it didnt work out, and that is fine. terminal attack would need to be balanced separately from the "normal" modes, certain gadgets and weapons were completely busted, while being fine in other modes.

reconsidering the direction of the game and adding well known modes would basically mean to turn it into a generic shooter. i dont want that. i want them to keep and embrace the new, fast paced modes with lots of chaos. Adding other modes is fine, but it shouldnt be on the cost of the cashout modes. A 5v5v5 or 5v5 cashout mode for example might work.

Also, people need to stop focusing so much on steam player data. We all know the game is not a behemoth like apex or csgo, but 10-20k simulateneous players around the clock isnt bad. Not to mention we have no data whatsoever on other platforms

@celest aurora the minute it becomes not optional. TA was the only ranked mode, there were TA only contracts and you had to do a number of TA games as a new player iirc

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vintage holiday cosmetics

autumn warren
# magic swift **ALERT: Polemic Opinion** Many say that Attack the Terminal was bad and that i...

The problem with the mode wasnā€™t its gameplay but its concept. TA took way too many aspects from games like Tf2 and CSGO and attempted to sloppily port them into a game with much more open maps, completely different movement mechanics, and completely different weapons. In theory it should have been fine but in practice TA created a ton of balancing issues. From the snipers being overpowered, to the mediums and heavies being significantly nerfed. They had to remove like 30% of the games primary gadgets to even make it work on paper. The need a 5v5 mode uniquely the finals, power shift is kind of that but once again itā€™s a tried and true gamemode that has existed since TF2. So I think the finals physically canā€™t copy anything about other games. They have to make completely unique modes because their game is so different from anything available on the market. A capture the flag mode but with cash would be an excellent example of that, or maybe a TDM mode that adds extra content and features. TA is a mode that belongs in tactical shooters like rainbow six and CoD. But has no place in a fast paced arcade shooter like the finals. Thatā€™s why it was hated. It attempted to change everything that everyone had loved about the game up till now. From the pacing to the metas it failed to entice players. And even lost embark a ton of concurrent players.

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brittle obsidian
orchid crater
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just gona leave this here : cl is pretty op

celest aurora
deep summit
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Use common sense and add streamer mode for ranked, you get griefed cause of your username, not your rank score. ```
reef python
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Granade launcher should get some damage reduction tbh fun times when full lobby is using the same gun

bleak fern
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Grenade launcher just needs to be less accurate I can see why the damage is like this but accuracy with a grenade is a lil crazy

spark shard
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Day 8/100

Change matchmaking for solo players. (ranked)

I'm pleased with all the changes this season, thank you!

However, the matchmaking has been broken since Season 2. In Season 3, I hardly played ranked because it was TA, which I detest. I thought you were improving matchmaking for Season 4, but the issue continues.

My matchups make no sense, neither in rank nor in dedication, which is clear when I compare my kills and revives with my teammates. Meanwhile, the other teams have players who should be matched with me, but I'm facing them instead.

Iā€™m speaking as a solo player. When can we expect improvements in matchmaking for solo players? It's frustrating we've been stuck like this since Season 2.

Note 1: I've had teammates say in chat they were playing ranked for "fun," as if itā€™s quick play. This is a bad joke.

Note 2: I donā€™t mind waiting longer to find a game if it improves the experience. Iā€™d prefer waiting more than 2 minutes than 10 seconds for a team with zero skill.

Note 3: Donā€™t use the excuse of not changing matchmaking mid-season when you make buffs and nerfs to weapons, gadgets, etc. These also affect gameplay during the season. Youā€™ve had enough time to address it.

Use other game modes for testing.

After 4 seasons, itā€™s clear you donā€™t fully understand the impact of the changes you make regarding buffs, nerfs, or introducing new items.

Please, before changing anything and making us testers, use non-competitive modes for balancing tests.

Utilize World Tour, Quick Play... for your balancing tests and new items.

untold locust
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Animations still don't line up with damage given or taken with even the slowest of weapons.
Typical developer greed and their cheap servers

honest island
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where is the halloween event šŸŽƒ šŸŽƒ šŸŽƒ

torpid sky
cyan torrent
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Model CL40 and Pike are running rampant rn in high elo, light is basically unplayable unless you play absolutely perfect while trip med can brainlessly out damage + heal every team, 1 shot from CL or Model and 1 shot from Pike is instant kill on light, even sword can't compete with their damage.

Edit: it doesn't make sense that the strongest class in the game also has the best weapons, it would make sense if mediums weapons were under performing to make up for 250 hp, heal beam and fastest movement when running 3x double movement

odd ibex
misty jasper
icy bolt
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My light class nerf suggestion:

Dash has 2 charge instead of 3
Invisibility has 3 charges, each one lasting 5 seconds of invisibility, after that amount time you become visible for like 2 seconds before being able to use a charge again

@craggy basin idc about light class, but i read a lot of ppl complaining about it
@rapid stream
@random scarab from blu ocean

Update:
LOL i triggered a lot of ppl

craggy basin
rapid stream
autumn warren
# celest aurora How does an optional mode lose the game players

It was made permanent in season 3. I was responding to a guy defending it replacing cashout. The game stayed stagnant at 16k players through s3 despite most everyone I knew who played previously quitting. Which means embark lost 5-15k players on average, and the 16k on consistently were new players.

random scarab
clear hemlock
hasty oriole
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Please make defib a specialization. The 3 M stack of defib and healing beam is not healthy for the game. Also, please consider exchanging jump pad and zip to L for dart and recon grenade
Why give the glass cannon hacks, why give the ultimate support crazy movement? This exchange would further team comp/play.
Right now the M can stand completely on its own in all situations. Doesn't make any sense

green light
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Useless

brittle obsidian
deep summit
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Fix your audio system it is so inconsistent, sometimes jump pads and gateways make 0 audio, crucial in competitive

Use common sense and add streamer mode for ranked, you get griefed cause of your username, not your rank score. ```
blissful smelt
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The big question is: what the hell does The Finals.exe do to fill the CPU to 100% at the beginning of the game, after 3 minutes of loading, before any walls have been broken.

I still can't believe a 4.7 Ghz quad CPU is totaled

orchid crater
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man spitting fax

reef python
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Every game MMH 2 cl40s

bronze flame
ivory yoke
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Please separate pc from console crossplay. Crossplay should be grouped by input.

dense marlin
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Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to control

red echo
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dont think light needs buffs , maybe little on the xp54 , but overall medium needs a lot of nerfs , hence why we dont see so much light

wraith orchid
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light is and will allways be the most played class bc it is the fastest most mobile and thereby most fun class to play. Yes, it is as easy as that.

Dagger Wishlist:

-You shouldnt be able to climb while charging the dagger, i try so often to backsab someone above me but instead of jumping and stabbing, it tries to climb and my charge gets canceled (VERY IMPORTANT THIS WAS NOT ABLE TO HAPPEN LAST SEASON SO I ASSUME YOU JUST FORGOTT TO PROGRAM IT RIGHT)
-Option to hold and tap backstab like with the throwing knifes
-Always being able to run as last season
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the audio indicator cus it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.
REVERT THE DASH COOLDOWN NERF

Sniper Wishlist:
raise hitscan range or reverg the nerf completely and just ban the weapon from powershift.

Light Wishlist:
Balance it so that it can make up for the less hp. While burst weapons can benefit from hit and run, you are allways as vulnerable as the m/h/l enemy when using machineguns/pistols

odd ibex
# wraith orchid light is and will allways be the most played class bc it is the fastest most mob...

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Lights grapple should be stuck to surfaces for vertical positioning and scouting from interesting vertical angles or ambush,use grapple to pull team mates idols for revives.

We need a flare gun gadget(light) so bad thatā€™s sticks to enemies or walls. Itā€™s low damage but it long term so it help for enemy player to avoid pursuing and heal itā€™s also bright and colourful sparks to show enemy location when it stick and leaves a spark trail on the map
Give sonar back to medium

The heavy charge m slam immediately does maximum damage even if heavy start right in front of and almost no visual warning out of nowhere,itā€™s completely unbalanced,add the grunt audio right before it activates not in the middle of charge n slam,it should half damage for charge and more knock back when it start and maximum damage at the slam.

lime quail
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Now that you can see the Level people are at with the Cards, explain how SOOO many level 0-2 players are wrecking it. Did Embark break the damn and flood us with past banned cheaters? Whatā€™s going on?

sharp briar
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MAKE HEAVY GREAT AGAIN

quick coyote
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EU servers are sooo bad today

atomic drum
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Upgrade server

young hamlet
deep summit
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^ there is a cashout in TA, and it required more skill than Cashout


Fix your audio system it is so inconsistent, sometimes jump pads and gateways make 0 audio, crucial in competitive

Use common sense and add streamer mode for ranked, you get griefed cause of your username, not your rank score. ```
toxic plover
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POWER SHIFT must have an overhaul. It can't be that in one out of three games you end up joining a losing team in the last few meters before the opponents win or you end up in a 2v5 because everyone is leaving.

At this point it's rare that i have a fight that just ends with both teams having the full player count and the mode is being finished like i was meant to by the developers.

This is just not enjoyable.

My win/rate is screwed beyond repair because no matter how good i play, the mid-matchmaking or the rage quitters will tear it down.

āŒāŒMaybe this game mode is just not suited for the finals at this stageāŒāŒ

autumn warren
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Why would anyone want this? I see you spamming this chat with this terrible suggestion. You should stop I doubt itā€™ll happen and if it does people are going to be quite upset by it

south mauve
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our teammate left during a ranked match and i couldnt leave so we ended up losing rs

reef python
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Medium wish list:
Nerf cl-40

orchid crater
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man spitting fax

mellow narwhal
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Lights grapple should be stuck to surfaces for vertical positioning and scouting from interesting vertical angles or ambush,use grapple to pull team mates idols for revives.

We need a flare gun gadget(light) so bad thatā€™s sticks to enemies or walls. Itā€™s low damage but it long term so it help for enemy player to avoid pursuing and heal itā€™s also bright and colourful sparks to show enemy location when it stick and leaves a spark trail on the map
Give sonar back to medium

The heavy charge m slam immediately does maximum damage even if heavy start right in front of and almost no visual warning out of nowhere,itā€™s completely unbalanced,add the grunt audio right before it activates not in the middle of charge n slam,it should half damage for charge and more knock back when it start and maximum damage at the slam.

torpid sky
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nerf pike
nerf cl
nerf model

sudden pawn
dull pivot
radiant eagle
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why do i get matched against esports pros every match and my team is always my skill level

strange ermine
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Can we either make the KS-23 projectiles larger or just give it the ability to actually ADS? This thing is unreasonably punishing in close quarters. It's a rifle (classified as a carbine irl) that we're stuck hipfiring with for some reason. Why??

@craggy basin KS-23's are created from defunct anti-aircraft gun barrels. They're rifled, unlike shotguns which are smoothbore. Thus making them carbine rifles by definition.

coral forum
plush grotto
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my whole team just got disconnected from a game and thrown staright into a new one lmao

errant sigil
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So we ever going to nerf the grenade launher or just leave it broken?

craggy basin
earnest siren
dry wraith
stark pilot
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Make goo grenade right click pre-cast delay shorter.
Goo grenade is hard to use in high elo match, because most of people take one down too short.
Don't trust noob say, sonar SHOUDN"T back to medium, medium is OP until now, most of medium's gadget is great.

brittle creek
cold bolt
brittle obsidian
alpine pebble
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nerf the cl-40

celest forum
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After taking mesh shield from heavy class I see no further needed nerfs.
All other specializations are fine.
If it can't take damage with mesh don't nerf charge and slam to screw us even more.

west trellis
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love queueing into a bank it that ends literally 15 seconds after you spawn

daring fossil
sonic wigeon
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tulip basin
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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE CHANGE THE COLOUR BLIND SETTINGS!!!!!!!

I am so sick and tired of running over enemy landmines because I couldn't tell the purple light from the blue light...
or not even attempting to shoot at an enemy because I thought they were friendly,
or not being able to see any player outlines at all in any kind of green forested area...

...and the entire time my teammates are yelling at me and complaining because I'm throwing matches simply due to the fact that I'm physically unable to see properly :'(

Having an option to manually select custom colours would be most ideal, but I'll also happily take the time to talk to anyone on the ux/ui team to review things if needed.
It's actually so awful.

lime fable
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I cant play on Kyoto, just becomes a laggy mess

quaint light
worldly scaffold
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CL-40 spam is not funny anymore (and I mained CL-40 S1 and S2, now you made me hate the damn thing), I hope you fix it patch tommorow, or it is time for another break from me. Why can't you just make it what it used to be, before nerfing it? It's ok to admit you were wrong to temper with it in the first place, and besides, clearly that change was made for TA in the first place, kinda irrelevant now. Pike is nuts too, overtuned imo, also the Light shotty seems a tad too crazy... But It's nice to see additions of good guns, but they need some tweaking as they are now. Also CL-40 self damage is bugged? The splash has always been pretty random if ti registers or not, but people just run at you and spam you to death at melee range now, it's ridiculous... RPG self damage needs to be toned down now imo too. Stungun redesign, still waiting for it too, one of the least fun things in the game. Also explosion stacking damage reduction needs a new review, is it necessary to be that strong anymore? I have seen Lights walk over two expl mines surviving...

stray rampart
misty jasper
rough storm
sudden pawn
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idk how but pls nerf the 3 medium with headling beam and defib combo

and make it os you can reakt to messages in this channel bc why shouldnt u...

quick coyote
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Nerf sword dash, improve game performance (make it so it doesn't run at 2 fps), improve structural integrity in Fortune Stadium, add matchmaking to every mode (don't match players with really bad or new to the game teammates and also don't put silver 2 players in emerald 1 lobbies)

green light
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Damn matchmaking is horrible.
Silver and i play with level 10 no rank

tulip steppe
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Embark pls with the spwan points. It's so annoying when u wipe a team and they spawn right behind you before u even plug in the vault

untold locust
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Charge and slam does 400 damage and can be used every 10 seconds or something crazy like that.
Please fix it to what the name implies, charge and slam; not charge and charge and charge and slam.

clear vale
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How do i stop lagging?

I use vondofone full fibre broadband

wispy sand
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There desperately needs to be a metric to award more points for moving the cashout and providing actual tactical/strategical support. Its entirely possible to carry the entire time with 0 kills and a few deaths, purely by controlling the objective area the entire time. And there needs to be a way to reward and showcase that off better. This isn't COD.

@hearty bough **Honestly my trigger is people that talk about your kills in cashout, kills don't win the game. Literally shows the brain rot COD brain, and then the "But it makes it easier to take the cashout if they're dead!" it also is easier to take the cashout if you can literally take the cashout with winch claw, or grav cube then goo the hole under it. Its just painful for their rotted brains to consider thinking of a shooter game as more than literally holding w and clicking heads. **

unreal fossil
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First warm-up round of the day (P= Light / L= Heavy). I was playing Heavy with the following loadout: WC/Iron Sights M60/Pyro mines/Motion detector/Goo grenades. Orange 3M stack won with the usual strat: constant defib train, CL40 gatekeeping cashouts from above while guarded by his two AKM team mates (luckily, not Pikes). The only possible counter to this is to wipe them all, because if you only kill 2/3 and cannot prevent their revives, they'll be back to 3 within 5 seconds. Their aim was pretty atrocious and I managed to kill 2/3 on my own several times, but that wasn't enough still.

Honestly Embark, kill this zombie meta quickly.

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craggy basin
torpid comet
fallen mirage
hearty bough
# wispy sand There desperately needs to be a metric to award more points for moving the casho...

I feel this so hard! Iā€™ve had team mates that are objectively awful at the game from a positioning and decision-making standpoint flame the shit out of me in chat for having less kills than them, despite making the plays that get us to the next round etc. Blows my mind that people think kills = performance @wispy sand totally agree - even just staying alive near the cash out towards the end of the timer (especially when youā€™re defending) massively increases your chances of winning, but this requires playing passive and being evasive / only poking the enemy as much as needed to keep them off of the cash out. So many players just chase kills and die for it rather than playing smart

rapid stream
wind copper
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Embark fix

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wraith orchid
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light is and will allways be the most played class bc it is the fastest most mobile and thereby most fun class to play. Yes, it is as easy as that.

Dagger Wishlist:

-You shouldnt be able to climb while charging the dagger, i try so often to backsab someone above me but instead of jumping and stabbing, it tries to climb and my charge gets canceled (VERY IMPORTANT THIS WAS NOT ABLE TO HAPPEN LAST SEASON SO I ASSUME YOU JUST FORGOTT TO PROGRAM IT RIGHT)
-Option to hold and tap backstab like with the throwing knifes
-Always being able to run as last season
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the audio indicator cus it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.
REVERT THE DASH COOLDOWN NERF

Sniper Wishlist:
raise hitscan range or reverg the nerf completely and just ban the weapon from powershift.

Light Wishlist:
Balance it so that it can make up for the less hp. While burst weapons can benefit from hit and run, you are allways as vulnerable as the m/h/l enemy when using machineguns/pistols

P.S.: PLEASE DO NOT START TO BUFF DAMAGE OF ALL WEAPONS TO LOWER THE OVERALL TTK. THE TTK IS ALREADY TO LOW ON SOME WEAPONS SO PLLLLLS STOP AND RATHER NERF DAMAGE THAN BUFF

sonic spoke
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glitch mine range is wwwaaaay too far.

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violet matrix
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It is quite noticeable that the game is abandoned, they do not create new game modes to capture the attention of new players and vary the gameplay and they do not work on balancing the weapons, especially that pathetic weapon called Cl-40, it is a shame, it had become my favorite shooter game, but I will also stop playing as many have done because it has become boring and unbalanced.

misty jasper
brittle obsidian
reef python
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Remove cl-40
Nerf pike

orchid crater
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alt+delete for cl-40

earnest sierra
# tulip basin PLEASE PLEASE ***PLEASE*** CHANGE THE COLOUR BLIND SETTINGS!!!!!!! I am so sick...

but isn't the tritanopia setting makes enemy things a bit pink/red for you and allies things more cyan/blue?

anyway reporting through the website is the best way to report things like this, and if you can show them how it confuses you from your perspective with any picture it would help a lot and get this issue fixed faster, in the mean while sorry that you're not able to enjoy the game because of how color deficiency settings are right now :( hope they fix this

prime flower
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CL40 is broken annoying
Pike needs a shot speed nerf it shoots too fast to be doing so much damage as well as itā€™s ammo clip. you could wipe a team from any distance if you land all shots.

revert mesh shield, the nerf gutted heavies for defense.

tulip basin
last mirage
# autumn warren The problem with the mode wasnā€™t its gameplay but its concept. TA took way too m...

well yes, they added in so many different archetypes from many different games, all having different uses and situations for them to thrive and succeed. to where when you introduce different game modes like cashout or bank it. the meta inside those games shifts differently than the other. not to mention that lights are supposed to be the archetypes of being a keep-away zoner/rushdown/unorthodox character. medium being an all-rounder/stance/trap zoner/footsie character. heavy being a grappler/big body/trap zoner/unorthodox character. with S4 update, medium can now be a zoner character as well as being a stance and or footsie character. which is why people are a bit angry about pike and the cl40. heavy is now not an effective grappler character, however they made him into an all-rounder character. which is why I'm mad that they took away my playstyle with heavy. light now has a more effective way to deal damage as a rushdown character. however, they still don't have the health to sustain themselves when they get caught out. And it's not that light sucks but because of how he is designed with his archetypes working together. cloak & stun gun had to be nerfed because of how rushdown worked really well with the unorthodox playstyle back in S2. yet even when they fixed the issues with the class by nerfing that unorthodox playstyle into the ground, to this day the class cant be used in competitive because of the archetypes the class is meant to represent. they can only play keep away & rush down, something completely opposite in the standard cashout gamemode about defending and holding a point. It was pretty obvious why light was considered weak in gamemodes like cashout. however, they had potential in gamemodes like bank it, terminal attack, or powershift. where movement and kills mattered.

keen lily
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this meta is the most trash it has ever been and the patch is delayed, good joke, try playing sys horizon in plat XD pike only across the map idiot balancing team

rough storm
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We need fully automatic Nuclear missile launchers ASAP šŸ‘ļø šŸ‘„ šŸ‘ļø

deep summit
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Fix your audio system it is so inconsistent, sometimes jump pads and gateways make 0 audio, crucial in competitive

Use common sense and add streamer mode for ranked, you get griefed cause of your username, not your rank score. ```
fleet socket
surreal meadow
dense agate
# red echo this aint ow

Exactly. And when you have 12 pikes in one game because its the strongest weapon and every player has heal beam and defib, that is a cancerous meta. Role queue needs to be attempted at least once.

@carmine token This is not how role queue works. You queue up for which roles you are willing to play in the main menu. This is not valorant where you lock in.

@cyan trench Yes, it needs to be tried at least a single time.

uneven dagger
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You guys desperately need to do what I want or else the game is gonna die trust me bros šŸ˜Ž

crystal umbra
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How would Embark be able to incorporate Overwatch's old "2 Capture point" mode šŸ¤”šŸ¤”

I think it might work out well...

terse slate
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Day 2 of asking for a ban wave against obvious cheaters...

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brittle obsidian
orchid crater
keen plume
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Fir private matches we should have the party leader be able to switch the players to different teams. Because me and friends had to figure out the exact order to join to be on the teams we desired

cold forum
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Itā€™s been long enough. Would love to have my rewards for last season.

tepid hazel
rough storm
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Something else than CL and model foronce,

I randomly spawn in front of a cashout the moment a team WITH cashbox arrives thus get blown away the moment i spawn.

And when i coin to defend my cashout against a third/fourth party at that point i spawn 150 METERS AWAY with only 15 seconds left and they got it.

The SPAWNS are completely whack since halfway third season. Idk what was changed but it makes this whole game 75% luck-based and it's disturbing.

silent fog
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Please fix the "performance updates and improvements" from the last patch of S3. They were not improvements but made it worse for me and a lot of others. Buildings folding like wet cardboard these days also doesn't help.

autumn warren
# last mirage well yes, they added in so many different archetypes from many different games, ...

Idk I canā€™t agree with the light being underpowered. I love playing light it just happens to be one of the more difficult classes to get right. Medium is the ā€œall rounderā€ and the general go to for classic battlefield 4 type playstyle which is fine, it could use some nerfs on the latest buffs they added but overall I find it balanced (besides that useless turret needs to die). But light class is just much more nuanced. You have to be confident in every movement you make and you have to be constantly aware of everyone and everything going on around you in order to capitalize on what makes it strong. If you couldnā€™t play medium in a 1v3 then light just isnā€™t the class for you. I can agree they need more team focused abilities, but a good light can save your game. I personally run heal beam as a main so I canā€™t speak too much on the high level ranked play for lights but I can say with practice and patience I think a light teammate can be as valuable if not more valuable then a heavy. And idk what youā€™re talking about heavy getting changed, from my experience he grapples all the same and has more power now due to the deagles and red dot on the m60

carmine forum
# rough storm Something else than CL and model foronce, I randomly **spawn** in front of a ca...

I second this, spawns should be balanced more as to not punish team wipes so badly among other things. Many times holding the cashout only for it to be stolen last second and to spawn too far to contest it. Maybe adjust spawns and timers if it is the last cashout of the match or if the cashout will end the match for more steal opportunities. Idk how to fix but certainly doesn't feel good in the flow of gameplay when it happens, seems it could be better.

Also add match highlights or play of the game cam to the end of matches, make the closing of matches feel more like the game show the game makes itself out to be.

dense agate
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Honestly this might be insanely controversial but make ranked role queue. Leave other modes freely able to bring multiple of the same class, but make ranked role based. The meta should be defined within what players choose to synergize as gadgets across multiple classes rather than just spamming heal beam defib with the strong weapon on medium that season. If this game is willing to experiment to the point that it brang a completely new mode into ranked for a whole season. Try role queue. AT LEAST for 1 season. The creativity of having stackable classes is an ideal scenario, but if you have a situation where that class has a very strong gadget you can stack and make it very very frustrating for all players to play against, then you need to fit different classes forcibly. Please please please for the love of god try role queue next season.

TLDR: Make ranked role queue (LMH only, no stackable classes), Do not touch other modes (like world tour) so people are still allowed to express class variety in that mode.

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nocturne flare
sonic spoke
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Thank you for the back fill in rounds. Team ENGIMO representing! We all arrived into a round in progress where the whole team had quit. We stayed tight and crushed it!

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worn horizon
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can we get a change to worldtour? why is it that i get paired with 2x very low levels? i mean you can give me one, but 2? while other teams have full high levels thats simply not fair. put them in another lobby if they group up

burnt notch
carmine locust
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Custom soundtracks would be an amazing addition to the game. Every single season has been loaded with BANGER tunes, I hate to see them die off after three months.

Maybe tracks from previous seasons can be set to certain things (menu, queuing, pregame, postgame, etc) for a full customizable playlist

.. or at the very least be featured in a jukebox where we can play them all in game

deep summit
# 

Fix your audio system it is so inconsistent, sometimes jump pads and gateways make 0 audio, crucial in competitive

Use common sense and add streamer mode for ranked, you get griefed cause of your username, not your rank score. ```
vague urchin
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A homemade pack! Where thereā€™s a pyro skin thatā€™s a Molly. With a bottle and rag thatā€™s on fire. And the gernade skin being a pipe bomb. And an explosive mine being a box mine.And idk some more

brittle obsidian
upper saddle
# upper citrus Hi I made a list of patch notes I would like to see in the game alongside notes ...

As a very good riot shield player, I disagree with two suggested changes, I believe increasing the shield coverage to the feet or allowing riot shields to crouch with the shield raised is a terrible idea which would fundamentally alter the play style of the shield to be less fun for both the user and enemies (which already don't find it to be a fun weapon to fight) as it encourages a more defensive and "Hunker down" play style of the shield instead of the more fun and aggressive play style which it has now.

I do however agree with two other suggested changes, if the shield when raised more reliably blocked melee attacks it'd add a sort of block and strike timing check to the riot shield and melee enemies making melee fights with it feel considerably more dynamic and engaging, while pyro nades sticking to riot shields creates more than it's fair share of friendly fire eliminations and is still to this day the single most sour interaction in the game bar none so pyro nades not sticking to riot shields is probably a change for the best.

The Riot Shield is in a very particular and curious position where it as a weapon needs to be balanced with how engaging and fun it is to both play and fight against kept in mind, which is why after the +6 damage buff I do believe it's in a good place overall.

echo urchin
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Make it so the stun gun, thermal bore, thermal charges, and c4 will explode the revive hologram.

Make it so goo can trap statues, which will slow down revives and make it so they have to destroy the goo to move the statue somewhere else.

Make so if an enemy walks through the heal beam they interrupt healing and send it into a short cooldown.

Create tactical counters to what makes the medium OP.

upper citrus
# upper saddle As a very good riot shield player, I disagree with two suggested changes, I beli...

in my eyes, i see riot shield as a more defensive playstyle while dual blades is meant to a more offensive counterpart (which was very poorly executed).

i dont play riot shield though so im not sure in what im saying, but i dont think adding the option to cover the feet would harm the playstyle at all. its just an extra choice for when you really need it, which also sacrifices movement speed. it would likely still have the offensive playstyle it has right now but with the option to play defensive. which is how a lot of people like to play too.

idk tho im not a riot player

silent fog
#

Back to taking penalties for leaving Kyoto. It's such a bad map I'd rather not play the game at all. Take it out of WT/Ranked.

tepid hazel
vestal igloo
wraith orchid
distant vine
#

the finals battle royale when?

winter vapor
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I fear trash players with the CL-40 more than balise using the ak or model. If you devs dont see an issue with that you shouldnt be a dev.

rough storm
# tepid hazel 100% agree I just have the opposite experience of wiping a team, running the box...

Yee this exact thing happened to me multiple times last emerald grind.
Imo the team that gets wiped after the first battle should have a longer respawn timer and should ALWAYS spawn in the middle of both cashouts.
Maybe that way stuff like that is avoidable

I don't want to spawn 10 seconds earlier if i engaged the cashout. I just want normal spawn locations. Both when defending it AND spawning after a team wipe.

tawny thunder
#

The spear buff feels useless the spin should be changed to a spear throw then it will come back on a cooldown and while I wait I wanna throw hands with the enemy

patent girder
crystal umbra
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I suggest putting up beautiful B-Roll of the map that we are going to be playing on.

When I am selecting the class that I am playing in Ranked and making changes it depends for me on what the map will be.

It would be a cool aesthetic to see our contestants standing in front of a screen showing what map we are about to load into Instead of the solid color that we see before we get in.

granite vector
#

add fsr 3 please šŸ™

last mirage
# autumn warren Idk I canā€™t agree with the light being underpowered. I love playing light it jus...

I ain't saying the class isn't underpowered, just underutilized in certain gamemodes. and I was making a point to how the archetypes of lights gadgets/weapons/specialization tend to blend badly if unchecked. if you have a team filled with lights going in a game of cashout, then you wouldn't achieve that much on your own, other than relying on the chaos of the match to make certain plays. light benefits a lot from being around a team that can play defensively in cashout(again relying on the chaos of the match.) however, that makes the class dependent on the team to achieve a common goal. heavy and medium can be independent of the team to still be good in cashout. I'm just saying the gamemodes need to make light have a moment to shine independently. also, they nerfed the gadgets to be less reliable for heavy. they balanced ranged heavy but nerfed melee in the process. because of this, melee and short-range weapons are not viable in competitive and struggle a lot against a player who knows what they are doing. you can't do much damage with the RPG in medium-ranged combat to attempt trying to close in on them to kill them. you can't rely on bunkering to avoid the damage from afar now. melee heavy now relies on tight buildings to make the playstyle work, something smart players can play around. range heavy doesn't have a problem with any of this. they definitely nerfed it, it's way more easier to play ranged than melee because of them buffing the ranged weapons and nerfing gadgets, something melee heavy uses along with their weapon. Any sort of specialization/gadget that can be good for melee, can be better with range.

foggy orbit
woeful arch
#

Give us alternative objectives to those that are hyper-focused on gameplays that players might just not enjoy at all, like that 50 headshots from 50m away. It's likely going to be the first objective since season 1 that I won't complete because I don't want to handicap my teams playing 4v5 while I'm learning to snipe just to complete that one objective. What's wrong with giving players more objectives than necessary to hit the overall goal?

earnest sierra
mortal notch
#

im constantly stuttering on a series x with ethernet please fix the dogshit servs its nearly unplayable

coarse jetty
#

This season is more grindy than ever and it suuuuucks the weekly challenges are consistently asking for more from us than ever and daily challenges dont feel rewarding and xp is still laughable from any mode or match thats not winning a full tourney it makes me not wanna keep playing for bp

misty jasper
outer frigate
#

Cl40 is getting old man

terse slate
dense marlin
#

Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to control

sudden hinge
#

Hey just wanted yo say ive been having a bug where i had perma wall hacks with sonar grenade, if its destroyed right as it does a scan you have walls on the players that got seen with the scan

full swan
#

CL40 Buff really took the fun out of the game, no possible counter against a 2- or even 3-stack of them. IĀ“d rather play against f..ing rat light-bow players all day long then one CL40.

smoky gust
uneven dagger
#

Colossal sword sledgehammer skin THATSALOTTADAMAGE

lilac bramble
#

Why does the KS-23's reload feel so bad? I feel like I load multiple slugs, do something else and then I have 1 or none in my gun

patent girder
astral thorn
#

Nerf defib to the ground, add shared cooldown, make the hologram killable

last mirage
#

we need a gadget specifically for melee heavy. close ranged heavy isn't decent without tight buildings, something that depends on map design.

restive fiber
silent fog
#

Just revert the cd nerf and thats it. 750 hp isn't that much. 2 people shoot less than 1 mag and its gone in 2 seconds. I guess that would require teamplay though and people seem to hate that

twilit sand
#

SUGGESTION: keep the cl40 as it is but instantly ban anyone that uses it to weed out the rats

broken herald
#

nerf model1887 and cl

keen lily
#

it's the worst version of the game you can possibly play, there is no point, idiots running with the noob cannon or lasering you with pike from the other end of the map, trash game
I bet the patch was postponed because some intern didn't finish making a cosmetic item for store

tepid hazel
proud echo
#

STOP KEEP KICKING ME OUT GAME damn 4 times each time back to back

delicate hazel
#

hello id like new levels for the heal gun since i maxed out, the fire grenade as well šŸ™‚

coarse jetty
# tepid hazel What are you talking about the weekly challenges are easy. Already level 80+ on ...

Yea 50 headshots from 50m and 30 wins are easy. Like i got them done in a day but i had to go out of my way and change my playstyle for hours at a time to get them done (especially the headshots. FUCK that challenge). Also none of my friends like this game lol i roll solo. Idk how youre level 80 you must be winning a buncha tournaments cause i grind the shit out of more casual modes and my progress is slow after bp level 55, dailies are getting me only like one level a day lol

surreal meadow
fast rover
#

how is it even possible, to make the season even worse than the last one?

tame owl
#

Add a timed penalty for purposefully leaving unranked matches, the amount of times I've loaded into a match that's almost concluded on the team in last, or the powershift where the cart is like 90% at the end. or the amount of times teammates leave early and put the entire team at a disadvantage

opal ocean
hasty widget
deep summit
# 

Fix your audio system it is so inconsistent, sometimes jump pads and gateways make 0 audio, crucial in competitive

Use common sense and add streamer mode for ranked, you get griefed cause of your username, not your rank score. ```
loud gust
#

hawk tuuah

storm inlet
#

revert xp nerf, nerf model, nerf cl40 one of these must be in tomorrow's patch note plz šŸ™

scarlet pilot
#

servers are very bad after the update. dont know why. even though, no middle eastern servers for us make the experience not that good.

shy parcel
upper citrus
low prism
#

Lights that have been running around invisble stabbing people in the back for a year mad some guns are around that makes it even

near parcel
long ruin
#

nerf the pike

nimble kiln
lean bluff
#

nerf cl-40

night glen
#

Man... still working on the beginning of the season's "Win 30 Rounds" ... takes forever if you don't play 20 games a day.

tidal wraith
#

bring back TA as the ranked mode playing 3rd party simulator ain't fun in a competitive environment

placid mason
#

Only game feedback i have is this trash noob tube just was in a match with 12 people running it want more people to leave thr game cool keep it the way it is but want people to stay then fix no reason someone should be able to fire it at there feet kill me but they survive

deep summit
#

@near parcel @upper citrus @shy parcel
@ocean parrot Cap, and yes they grief me im top 50 in the leaderboard, use to be top 30 šŸ„²

I only get griefed by people I know, but go on šŸ¤”

you didnā€™t kick us out that game, you got kicked out xD

exotic ledge
#

game feeddcool

ocean parrot
near parcel
fresh hound
#

Will the cl40 get a nerf itā€™s insufferable to play play against a team of 3 mediums either them in ranked

winter gull
#

Is there any reason why cheater games dont get invalidated RS wise? I mean thanks for sending me a little message that someone got banned but thats so inconsequential in a free2play that it makes me question my sanity.

distant oar
shy parcel
muted grail
#

Remove sbmm for regular matches, and nerf CL40 to the ground

junior holly
#

keep cl40 as is. change stun gun to be a specialization instead of a gadget

versed hazel
#

buff CL-40

muted jungle
#

Add a button to report specifically for hate speech.

quick coyote
#

outright remove CL-40 and medium class

surreal meadow
# shy parcel

thanks for adding the invarcel cam, i almost could have understood what was going on

cyan pilot
torpid sky
pliant raptor
#

Bug feedback more than anything. I seriously think the tracking for fans with the sponsorship tiers is broken for some people (myself included)

Because WHAT DO YOU MEAN I have 13,017/8,000 followers?

Moreover I am now actually on less than it says I was at the bottom. Apparently I start on 7,622. Now I've been booted back to 6,806?

Embark please fix this. I don't know if it's a visual bug or a tracking bug but I don't want all my progress being jerked around like this

tight oracle
#

Kyoto is unplayable on Xbox way to many frame drops even when I just join the game

restive fiber
magic jasper
#

Hey, I live in New Zealand and am finding it hard to find a rank match ingame.

woeful lagoon
#

I wish the sniper was hit scan, it pisses me off, I usually used it close range anyway but getting a shot off across the map is impossible smh

stiff dagger
#

buff snipe

deep summit
# 

Fix your audio system it is so inconsistent, sometimes jump pads and gateways make 0 audio, crucial in competitive

Use common sense and add streamer mode for ranked, you get griefed cause of your username, not your rank score. ```
^most  teams don't want to risk a loss if the 1st seeding team is in their game, so they often avoid completely
uneven dagger
#

Leave sniper as is, but increase damage to the head the further away you hit it after the bullet drop starts

fast rover
# shy parcel

do you also have a good gun aim gameplay clip and not just one where you are going invisible and one hit? (respectfully, no to be mean or something)

shy parcel
maiden salmon
#

nerf the fucking granatelaunchers its just disgusting

soft wedge
#

Remove the dagger, we have no fun playing with it since his nerf

upper citrus
spice stag
quick coyote
#

Nerf CL-40ā€™s player damage (to make it less oppressive, though damage should still be a bit higher than pre nerf, just not enough to 2 shot lights on its own) and increase its self damage so it 2-3 shots you if you hit yourself with it (this makes poor positioning more punishing because a weapon that needs no tracking skill should take some positioning skill), but in return give it increased environmental damage (walls, turrets, basically anything that isnā€™t a player), increased launch distance (so you can use it as a movement tool at the cost of hp as well as a get off me tool to support your team), and change scoped fire so that it launches a sticky grenade that sticks on a surface and either detonates after a set amount of time or is detonated on reload, whichever comes first. All of these changes would make the CL-40 a more team fight support focused weapon by trading combat effectiveness for utility. It would need to rely on team support to get kills/assists and use its increased knockback to disrupt enemies.

rough storm
forest veldt
#

Anyone else dealing with a lot more crashes recently? Game crashed twice in the last couple days, and i dont think ive had any crashes since the open beta.

dense ocean
#

day 28 asking embark
let console players able/disable HUD

daring fossil
# forest veldt Anyone else dealing with a lot more crashes recently? Game crashed twice in the ...

game has crashed the exact same way for me 6 times since 3.14 (patch prior to season 4, the same time everyone lost 20%+ of their performance) where the map will just despawn and I'll be stuck in place for a couple seconds (enough time to chat to my team to tell them my game is gonna crash) and then CTD, and I've crashed probably less than that since launch (not including crashes when launching the game)

chilly sable
#

Cl40 kinda really extremely annoying to fight against

Edit: I know this is a common complaint but seriously. Yes, 4 rounds is a nice balance but it easily outdoes everything else. Melee has to get close. Cl40 shuts that down. Every other weapon needs good aim. Cl40 does not. Just hit near them and you can kill them absurdly easily. It's really annoying to play well but be shut down because I can't out dps a grenade launcher that's better than everything else. Personally, I suggest lowering blast radius or just simply lowering the damage. It's quite infuriating to have the cl40 be the only thing I can't really counter. All other weapons, I can counter. I can kill a melee before it gets too close or out maneuver it. Even with the dual d50s and the pike, 2 also annoying weapons, can be countered by having better aim or dodging. The cl40 does not have these weaknesses. Please need it. Thank you.

torpid sky
versed hazel
#

buff CL40
it should one shot lights and two shot heavies

rough hinge
#

Buff light Buff light šŸ‘¶

Embark nerf light, its a joke how easy this class is to play

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rare saddle
#

buff medium's heal beam ;c

hasty oriole
#

Please make defibs a specialization. Also, move demat, pad, and zip to light

opal ocean
#

FIX YOUR FUCKING GAME ON XBOX WHY AM I IN FREE FALL IN RANKED BECAUSE I KEEP GETTING KYOTO WHICH IS UNPLAYABLE. YOU KNOW THERE'S A PROBLEM SO FIX IT OR JUST REMOVE KYOTO. ITS ACTUALLY BIZARRE THAT YOUD SAY "yeah there's a problem" and let people still play the map

Get a GRIP

red cosmos
#

the mix of cl40 spam and pike sucks. Especially since they nerfed sniper to get rid of long range annoying poke, but then introduced pike which does that but worse. (specifically powershift related). Like without the sniper nerf, you could counter long range pike spam with the sniper, but now you either have to mirror the pike, or go like dash/stealth light and push them.

vestal igloo
sterile apex
#

its not letting me post the clip, but when in the clothing selection and i zoom in on my character i can hear some dude breathing in my ear lmao

surreal meadow
# vestal igloo LITERALLY ME

kyoto
WHY is kyoto so laggy?

too much map destruction calculations?
too many props?
too many trees?
too much water calculations?

does anyone know?

upper citrus
carmine thistle
#

Personally not having fun playing ranked light this season.
Currently in plat & its just me fearing for my life because I have to worry about these insane burst options on Medium & heavy new & old ruining the experience.

Now I'm assuming you're going to nerf some of these things otherwise the lh1 nerf the start of this season was absolutely unjust for the reason you provided

Smoke grenades
I've been using them since the start of the season for jokes but surprisingly they're doing decently well
But more often then not I easily get seen,shot through the smokes easily.
Personally would like to see a small buffs to it like

Radius buffed by 2m
Virtical radius buffed by 2m

versed eagle
#

NERF THE CL-40 THANKS, REMOVE FROM THE GAME

viscid raft
#

JUST LET THE ITEMS CLIP
THERES SO MANY ITEMS COMBINATIONS THAT WOULD WORK IN REALITY BUT JUST DONT BECAUSE OF THE DAMN CLIPPING BECAUSE OF HOW STRICT THE SYSTEM IS

soft wedge
#

PUT THE OLD DAGGER BACK

calm orbit
#

This 50 headshots from 50 meters contract is causing me to throw so many games along with getting flamed in chat because of how it forces me to play.

Please replace it

quick coyote
#

Movement right now is fine but unsatisfying because speed is near constant. You accelerate from still to top speed so fast it feels like thereā€™s no momentum whatsoever, and you instantly lose any momentum gained beyond to speed after a single slide. So, top speed should be increased as well as standardized on all classes, so a heavy will have the same top speed as a light. To offset this, each class has a different acceleration speed, with light getting to speed the fastest and heavy the slowest. Acceleration will still be slower than pre rework though. Momentum gained from jump pads and other movement gadgets will also be decreased, but they will be influenced more by your current momentum, so running full speed into a jump pad will send you much further than walking into it. Ziplines will also inherit some of your momentum rather than removing all of it, with downward ziplines giving a bit of momentum, and upward ones taking some. Things like sliding down a slope would grant momentum as well. When just running normally though momentum slowly decreases down to a minimum. All of this would create a more fluid movement system that rewards players with better movement skills with more speed and makes the movement more fun

dapper maple
#

Please for the love of god nerf the CL40

sudden spire
#

I miss how 3rd and 4th use to always have a chance to overcome 2nd even up to the last second. Now, if two teams get all the cashouts the whole match, 3rd and 4th can't catch up and the last 2-3 minutes of the match become pointless

tame owl
torn canyon
violet matrix
#

It is quite noticeable that the game is abandoned, they do not create new game modes to capture the attention of new players and vary the gameplay and they do not work on balancing the weapons, especially that pathetic weapon called Cl-40, it is a shame, it had become my favorite shooter game, but I will also stop playing as many have done because it has become boring and unbalanced.

solar horizon
#

Is there a feature request channel or google forms link somewhere? A reddit post i saw had such a good idea i want to see if the official channels know

frank ravine
#

Anyone experiencing a lot of crashes ??

old magnet
#

Please rework the movement system. I've spoken with the community and played this game since the closed beta. It would help the game immensely. Wall tap jumps, double jumps, jetpacks, wall running, any of these would be incredible

wintry oyster
#

Light:
Light needs more team utility. Srsly. Itā€™s not enough. I donā€™t mean necessarily active but at least more passive utility like the breaching charge and the sonar. Itā€™s the most picked class because most ppl donā€™t want to bother working with a team. But it canā€™t be that light is a kill only class. If it is, itā€™s pretty bad at it in comparison.

Medium:
Medium needs a big nerf. Pike is too strong, APS too weak and the AOE range of the CL-40 to wide.
Defib is hilariously overpowered, especially in mid combat situations. It needs either a nerf or a complete rework. The medium in general is too versatile in its weapon variety with no downsides. Either you have to nerf some of the weapons or remove them from the medium. Itā€™s annoying how obvious the choice is for balanced out gameplay.

Heavy:
The Heavy is good. Srsly. Itā€™s completely fine in my opinion. If someone thinks that it needs some minor buffs or nerfs - fine - but nothing major. The problem with the class does not lay in the class itself but in the comparison with the other classes.

Maps:
The maps are all fine, I donā€™t know what everyone has. Maybe they got some bugs that need fixing but the overlay in general is good.

General:
The game crashes way too often. The ground just disappears, etc.
It canā€™t be that someone gets an hour competitive ban because the game crashes every time during a ranked game and needs to be restarted. Thatā€™s on you, not on them.

What is this destruction? Turn it down a notch. These are buildings mate out of concrete and not styrofoam. The destruction before was fine but now it just feels like rng.

Can someone mention the bird pet? It is so ugly and I donā€™t get why. It looks like you clued a Bad Resolution 2d sprite on a Bad 3d polygony Bird Model. All pets look amazing and this one looks like garbage. Why?

I get that you canā€™t patch out the anime skin from season 3 now but pls - for gods sake - never do something like that again. It doesnā€™t fit into the game.

vague shadow
shy parcel
fervent coral
#

Either take the grenade launcher out or buff the APS

dark bay
#

Somebody explain to me why anyone has an issue with the pike. It doesn't seem much stronger than the top medium weapons that already existed, namely the 1887 which arguably still outperforms it. Or the new CL40, although that gun does require a small nerf.

versed hazel
#

Honestly, why is Kyoto still a part of the game at this point? It is actually unplayable on console and even with a pretty decent PC build it runs like garbage. it has had more than a handful of updates supposedly focused towards improving stability and performance on that map and it STILL runs like garbage to this day.
its only redeeming quality is that it looks pretty.

cedar breach
#

the gl40 needs to be nerfed

deep summit
# 

Fix your audio system it is so inconsistent, sometimes jump pads and gateways make 0 audio, crucial in competitive

Use common sense and add streamer mode for ranked, you get griefed cause of your username, not your rank score. ```
^most  teams don't want to risk a loss if the 1st seeding team is in their game, so they often avoid completely
thorny parcel
#

Embark the game freezes whenever I get back to the menus. It kicks me out of parties when I get back to the menus too. Please fix all the horrible bugs

flint fossil
#

Please fix ranked, Im gold and every single game i have to play against high plats or even diamonds

chilly sable
#

The way points is earned is odd. It's unclear if it's based on performance, winning, or play time. I can lose a match and get 160vr but then win a match and only get 80vr. There should be a bonus for winning matches as well as with how well you do. It's really underwhelming to win a game and get half what I get for losing.

quick coyote
upper citrus
crystal cave
#

Re work the spear, get rid of the spin attack and add a knock back attack instead

hearty wadi
#

The new spawns are kinda unbearable

onyx tiger
#

I THINK lights need a buff thatll make them better in comp without making them better in casual. give them an extra reserve slot, and the ability to change between gadgets after team wipe. thoughts?

violet matrix
#

Delete cl-40 is so pathetic weapon for pathetic players

brisk garden
#

petition to remove kyoto (sign below)

deep socket
#

Masterpiece game. Thanks

rapid nexus
lime lichen
#

replace the low grav event with anything else please, ill even take dead go boom over this shit

sudden tangle
#

buff light in comp only

brittle creek
# hearty wadi The new spawns are kinda unbearable

Yeah. Just anecdotal but my experience has been cases like this: I was defending a cash out on vegas and I coined right as my other teammates died and it spawned me like 40m from the other cashout - 160m+ from the cashout I was defending

calm orbit
# tame owl Just use the pike and provide coverage, you can't really be throwing if you're c...

As someone who dislikes long range weapons already, this is killing my like of pursuing the contracts. I average about 17 to 20 kills a game normally. I'm now stuck on the other side of the map, plinking away and hoping, barely getting 3 kills a match (like I said, I'm bad with range weapons at extreme distances, and 50 is FAR compared to where I normally play).

It's miserable tbh

tame owl
upper citrus
worn horizon
jagged cedar
#

remove kyoto from the ranked pool until the map is in a playable state

late raft
#

Still waiting for console players (at least xbox) to be able to message rando friends on pc

vestal igloo
maiden salmon
rough storm
#

NGL, Tripple defib is kinda insane to play against. For example V these guys had more revives than kills and won the finale thanks to that.
And i see this comment being made from time to time so it's not just me. The tripple medium meta is not fun imo, even though i've played it myself the whole emerald grind last season. Minimal 8/12 players are medium EACH match.

A solution would be to either limit max defibs to 2 per team or when a defib is used the whole team gets a shared CD of 20 secs. Or when you get rezzed with defib you can't use any gadgets for a certain amount of time or w/e. So many options. But that's just my humble opinion.

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rich steppe
#

Plz fix permanent invisible bug.

soft wedge
#

YOU DESTROYED THE DAGGER

vestal prairie
inner coral
#

#šŸ‘‚ā”‡game-feedback Consider moving the CL40 to Gadgets slot, and still offering 4 shots but with reduced damage to players + increased Arena Damage (or just the latter if reduced player damage is too much of a nerf).
While I would suggest re-buffing the APS, this would just bring back the same old issue where APS was a MUST pick in Powershift and Terminal Attack to get wins and so I think the CL40 would just suit the Gadgets category more than being a main handle weapon.

This would put it more in line with the RPG and offer Medium a breaching tool that isn't a Specialization, something that Heavy and Light have several options for.

(Additionally, Medium is having both an identity crisis & a Meta issue.
The description paints a picture of Medium being a support role with scans, but has No Scans and the current competitive meta promotes Triple or Double Medium using CL40 and Pike leaving the choices of Multiple Heavies or any Lights as a major gamble for most teams, instead of promoting players to pick more variety and play other roles.
Simply doesn't align with-and misinforms players who actually read the description).

If this doesn't align with your experiences playing the game, that's fine. I don't want to convince other players that "im right", I just want to offer solutions to the ONE THING I see the most people talking about without completely removing or nerfing the hell out of these things.
I'd rather see a ton of Buffs and reworks in Patch Notes than the Removal or direct Power Nerfs to things that are intentionally strong.

wise falcon
#

Yall should make grenades do damage if they are standing directly on top of it. That would be pretty neat.

sand marten
#

remove the moving platforms, just rubberbanded off the map jumping platform to platform

jovial dagger
#

Its the best Game ever!!!

solemn sedge
#

Nerf noob tube into the ground.

jagged vector
#

As a medium player, nerf the heal beam, canā€™t play mmm with heal beam so more ranked for me

tired bough
#

revert cl-40 changes,
nerf model,
nerf pike,
nerf sword and fix sword animation cancell bug abuse,
remove fkn low gravity event (shit is annoying, ruinning all the fun from the game)

brittle obsidian
honest citrus
#

Why nerf the sniper then come out with the pike? Nerf it plz

edgy urchin
#

embark what are u doin bruh

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vagrant steppe
rough storm
#

-Buff CL40 to make it nuclear and fully automatic
-Double the damage on Pike + no recoil
-If you get hit by a Model your PC should crash
-Make sword-wielders invincible AND perm invisible
-Nerf Mesh-shield so you can only use it once a day.

And all this should be done within 70 bsns days as of today! šŸ‘ļø šŸ‘„ šŸ‘ļø

vestal igloo
jolly sky
#

Pike probably needs a look at.

quick coyote
dense agate
#

Honestly this might be insanely controversial but make ranked role queue. Leave other modes freely able to bring multiple of the same class, but make ranked role based. The meta should be defined within what players choose to synergize as gadgets across multiple classes rather than just spamming heal beam defib with the strong weapon on medium that season. If this game is willing to experiment to the point that it brang a completely new mode into ranked for a whole season. Try role queue. AT LEAST for 1 season. The creativity of having stackable classes is an ideal scenario, but if you have a situation where that class has a very strong gadget you can stack and make it very very frustrating for all players to play against, then you need to fit different classes forcibly. Please please please for the love of god try role queue next season.

TLDR: Make ranked role queue (LMH only, no stackable classes), Do not touch other modes (like world tour) so people are still allowed to express class variety in that mode.

[pasted]

strange wind
#

there is a BUG with the gateway where if you try to throw a second warp directly after the first one it doesnt go anywhere

eager marsh
#

WHY TF IS THE AWORD STILL NOT RECEIVED ANY REWORK

past dagger
#

Suggestion: Please give a visual indicator as to when a defibrillated enemy can be damaged. I hate firing a shotgun shot and then dealing zero damage even after the enemy has exploded out of the electro-foam. I suggest keeping the electro-foam on the enemy until the enemy can actually be damaged. I have been cheesed too many times by defib revives, and it's never fun. If I see an enemy running and jumping, that enemy should be susceptible to be damage.

quick coyote
#

sledge winch claw insanely op

jagged cedar
#

remove kyoto from the ranked pool until the map is in a playable state

true obsidian
#

nerf the cl 40

worn badge
#

Initially I wasn't to upset about the cl40 buff, but now that it's had time to marinate, I can't stand to play. It's ridiculously unfun to play against, and considering it's the meta, it's impossible to not play against it. I just want a fun experience and having 3 mediums on top of a building 100m away spraying artillery on me is embarrassing

tired bough
#

fix fucking sword animation cancel bug abuse FFS

mortal notch
distant elbow
#

Nerf cl40

ember dirge
#

Is it just me or did embark take the dummy off the roof in the shooting range šŸ˜¢ I used him a lot....

BTW here's some season 5 weapon suggestions and some bug issues

SEASON 5 WEAPON WISHES

Full auto Glock (MAYBE DUAL) for light or medium Lever action rifle (MAYBE WITH FIRE, explosive OR SHOCKER AMMO) for light or medium

PPSH ,Tommy gun, mp40, for medium

PPSH or Stoner 63 or BAR extended mag or Musket for heavy

MY TOP PICKS IF ONE FOR EACH WOULD BE

Winchester lever action with shocker that slows your movement a little for LIGHT

TOMMY GUN or PPSH FOR MEDIUM

EASY CHOICE FOR B.A.R extended mag HEAVY

Let's show EMBARK we want them yolks, share any of you agree šŸ¤˜šŸ»

We already got duel DEAGLES, and the DMR let's keep it up!šŸ¤˜šŸ»

BUG FIX REQUESTS

Fix issue for Xbox where voice chat doesn't work or it works but cannot hear them, have to reconnect mic multiple times and I made sure mic isn't issue

EMBARK I HAVE A GREAT IDEA, ADD A POSE FOR EACH WEAPON LIKE AN EMOTE SO U CAN SEE YOURSELF AND POSS FOR OTHERS

Also I think Itd would be more rewarding to get a charm and sticker with wins on certain maps for first time tournament win
Please fix issue when pressing Y or Triangle to get on Zipline or whatever, while holding vault or etc it once Ina while drops it and has lost me a vault multiple times

Thankyou for decreasing dispersion rate for RPG, please do the same for KS-23 when moving and jumping, I understand it has trajectory or whatever where u have to lead the shit but the accuracy drops drastically when in "uncontrolled states" Also please add one more.slug to the KS_23 ammo

THANKYOU EMBARK

restive nest
#

just had a glitch where most of the walls, floors, doors, everything was see through. i had wall hacks. Maybe patch this

jolly sky
#

I think MGL should get a small damage buff. Just a few points. With the falloff changes I've been finding myself missing far more kills than usual.

prime flower
shadow stirrup
#

I just dont think things are going AT ALL. The balances, the desperate grasp for a unified future for the game through half-hearted "lore", the entire light class missed the mark. The CL convinced me Embark is waving the white flag. finals was fun while it lasted

hasty oriole
#

Please make defibs a specialization. Also, move demat, pad, and zip to light

eager marsh
#

IT IS RIDICOULOUS HOW EZ IT IS

vestal igloo
iron sleet
quick coyote
#

Buff xp 54 close range damage

Nerf pike

Nerf model

Buff fcar recoil

Give a sight to the 93R

(Controversial)

Defibs moved to light?

analog void
#

make the slot machines work in las vegas and also put playable black jack in las vegas i love gambling

hardy bridge
coral forum
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second game with tripple cl team .... sigh (Gold 3 ranked games)

edit.. third game with triple cl
edit: my teammates left...
@winged estuary šŸ˜„

violet matrix
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Delete cl-40 is so pathetic weapon for pathetic players

upper citrus
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Really hoping the model doesnā€™t just get a spread nerf. Thatā€™s not the issue with the weapon. Nerf itā€™s damage to 100 and buff the spread to compensate which will keep the ranged performance the same as it is now.

Medium is the only class that doesnā€™t have to change anything besides a primary weapon to be super strong in close range. Which means you can have full support build to make your team incredibly difficult to push and then enemies arenā€™t even rewarded for closing the gap.

modern ether
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embark you have to find a way to do hotfix because leaving the game in poor state for weeks is not good

ember dirge
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(if I think your talking about the heavy attack fake) they definitely should make it more clear or more of a 1-2 motion instead of slow to it to know when to attack with heavy attack

And @shadow stirrup this game is the new FORTNITE just wait, they ghost dropped this game and got no following, which was def not best move, plus they work with the community and actually address issues and balances, they may do too much of a nerf or buff but they said it themselves that it's to get a read on the data better or something, just saying this game is dope AF and got hope, light def needs work fr tho, rework for specializations or something

We def need events and special GAMEMODES this SEASON

rough herald
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i have 2 propose change to cl40

change 1: skill gun

  • take away half of cl40 damage
  • and turn that damage into bonus damage on direct hit
    note: this'll keep cl core identity as the utility gun but also adding a "skill factor" on top of it

change 2: save option

  • revert back to old damage
  • 2 more bullet
    note: and maybe also give it the shotgun double reload but im afraid it'll "feel" too much like model

||also i've been maining this weapon since open beta when it wasn't even good so i don't want to hear oP WeApOn AbUsEr||

sudden spire
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game is reduced to s slideshow

hardy bridge
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for the love of god dont make the pike and cl useless nerf them a tiny bit

jolly sky
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M11 is nearly as broken as the pike is. It just took non-garbage sights.

fervent vortex
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just give mesh back, dats it

upper citrus
hasty oriole
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@vestal igloo @iron sleet
@river magnet
Coming from a M main in S4 who already level 6'd the pike... (SoloQ, R-G3, WT-P3) M has best guns, gadgets, and debatably the best specialization... I think it would balance the class if it didn't have movement and it was given to light as a logistics specialist (it is suppose to focus on mobility right?) I guess I don't understand why a support class has the most movement and best weapons? I think if the jump pad and zip were traded to Light for recon grenade and tracking dart , those would make more sense in a support role (information gatherer). I'd rather have the M movement restricted than have its guns and utilities continuously nerfed. As for the defib being a specialization, there is no place in this game for a 3M stack running around defib and beaming each other... no one likes it. It's toxic cheese. Pick one or the other and add some skill to the chicken run...

modern ether
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game just crashed while in final round, crazy how this is still a problem

vestal igloo
stone hazel
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holy fuck nerf the cl40 this isnt fucking fun to play against
it was fine in seasons one and two before you changed the explosion aoe dropoff

abstract geyser
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why are there still cheaters on new accounts in ranked bro, make 2fa required to play ranked

radiant eagle
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flashbangs last way to long

wraith orchid
# echo urchin Make it so the stun gun, thermal bore, thermal charges, and c4 will explode the ...

reeeeeally good take PLS DO THIS EMBARK

light is and will allways be the most played class bc it is the fastest most mobile and thereby most fun class to play. Yes, it is as easy as that.

Dagger Wishlist:

-You shouldnt be able to climb while charging the dagger, i try so often to backsab someone above me but instead of jumping and stabbing, it tries to climb and my charge gets canceled (VERY IMPORTANT THIS WAS NOT ABLE TO HAPPEN LAST SEASON SO I ASSUME YOU JUST FORGOTT TO PROGRAM IT RIGHT)
-Option to hold and tap backstab like with the throwing knifes
-Always being able to run as last season
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the audio indicator cus it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.
REVERT THE DASH COOLDOWN NERF

Sniper Wishlist:
raise hitscan range or reverg the nerf completely and just ban the weapon from powershift.

Light Wishlist:
Balance it so that it can make up for the less hp. While burst weapons can benefit from hit and run, you are allways as vulnerable as the m/h/l enemy when using machineguns/pistols

P.S.: PLEASE DO NOT START TO BUFF DAMAGE OF ALL WEAPONS TO LOWER THE OVERALL TTK. THE TTK IS ALREADY TO LOW ON SOME WEAPONS SO PLLLLLS STOP AND RATHER NERF DAMAGE THAN BUFF

verbal hound
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you shouldnt lose rank rating for spawning as a 2 man

rapid river
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New event called earthquake that destroys buildings on whole maps

mystic tartan
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so basically what happens on fortune stadium once you break one wall?

tropic root
jagged cedar
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remove kyoto from the ranked pool until the map is in a playable state

magic widget
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Iā€™d say the current game balance is relatively fair, really only a couple changes Iā€™d reccomend:
buff bow body damage a bit, I feel itā€™s a bit too weak to hold with other weapons
93r sight and slight reduction to recoil? (Either that or add a couple more rounds in it; I feel that in most areas I could use a 93r either the recoil makes headshots unlikely or the smg would do better due to more damage and more mag, could be a skill issue tho lol)
Mgl viable update por favor
Glitch effect lasting slightly longer and possibly affecting defib (either that last part or change defib to only allow the wind up anim while over the body, currently still a must pick for mediums)
Slight model damage nerf (I just think itā€™s a bit to consistent on the damage for a shotty, a very small nerf to damage that otherwise wouldnā€™t change ttk would help opposing players in 1v2 situations or approaching slightly damaged and getting heavily punished for it)
Slight spear swing speed buff (both the light and heavy attacks, the slight dps change will help it compete with range weapons up close)

The new season feels great, with mostly everything being viable to build on! Keep cooking, embark! (Also letā€™s be real guys the cl40 isnā€™t that bad, as a light main Iā€™ve been able to kill em kinda consistently, just get really close or out dps them from range, itā€™s the middle ground thatā€™s the killer)
(Plz donā€™t send me a 5 paragraph essay on why this take is wrong)

keen abyss
fair ingot
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I came back after not playing since season 2 but if Cl doesn't get a nerf im out again.

Also side note, since the beginning stun gun is nothing but a crutch and a absolute mood killer.

ruby grail
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I am not sure if this is the place to type this out but i have a few fun idea for the game so starting off with the heavy I think a harpoon gun that does knock back and has the potential to pin enemies against walls depending on how close they are to the wall, a crossbow with a magazine for the medium that would be silent mid to close range projectile, and a slingshot that has a laser on it but when you get head shots with the sling shot it slightly concusses the enemy. Also a laser gun prolly for the medium that if you can catch players or items on fire depending on how long the beam is hitting the target and a Tesla gun for the heavy something similar to the flame thrower but it chains enemies the catch would be the damage falls off each time it chains

keen sequoia
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remove kyoto from ranked

modern ether
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can anyone here show a clip or 2 for me, the game just broke so hard and i need to show this bug, textures were flying on my screen, the game itself went black

jovial dawn
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cant join into match

loud trellis
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Nerf model range please I beg

errant sedge
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why do we have to get 50! HEADSOTS FROM 50! METERS!! IT FEELS IMPOSSIBLE

brave copper
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The S4 patch and especially the dev notes have deteriorated my faith in the balance team. The notes for the buff were so indicative that whoever wrote them knew how biased and over tuned it would be.

"this change sounds significant" [but...] "we thought it was unfair to the cl-40..." (that they had to hit their AOE shots to kill the tanks)

Like nice job cracking the simple math for those break points, I guess? But that justification misses so much of what actually happens when the CL-40 is up in the meta. Lobbies filled with explosive spam, Mines, frags, and barrels get triggered by the explosions. Audio feedback is taken over by cl-40 thunks. Whole teams running cl-40 with heal beams and defibs make it to the final round all the time..

The conversation from the devs is always about light and heavy. The way the games go is always about what medium is doing. Heavy gets wins because they're the best target for heals and defibs due to health pools, but heavy gets the nerfs. The notes call out light as the most losing class, but the cl-40 buff fucks over lights more than anything. The contradictions just make doubt the competence of the balance team. They need to actually play often or have better responses to feedback. This graphs and math approach really misses the situational realities of the game. To the point where it feels like one biased person near the top is pushing for changes that satisfy them rather than make the game more fun.

strange ermine
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Can we either make the KS-23 projectiles larger or just give it the ability to actually ADS? This thing is unreasonably punishing in close quarters. It's a rifle (classified as a carbine irl) that we're stuck hipfiring with for some reason. Why??

lusty apex
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Just got online amd saw the new rain filter. That needs to be gone. It look so terrible lol. Either that or make it look more realistic. It looked like a static glittery myspace gif lol

wild pebble
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Really want a game mode were it only mediums and heavys

echo sable
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NERF GL

turbid mortar
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We have gone 4 seasons now without a single flamethrower skin in a battle pass. This is a grievous sin against everyone alive.

crystal cave
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Pleas make a killer clown skin it would go so hard on the heavy

safe rivet
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NERF CL-40

vernal ridge
wraith orchid
# brave copper The S4 patch and especially the dev notes have deteriorated my faith in the bala...

true the doubt is kind of real, but hope never dies. and they really need to play their game.

light is and will allways be the most played class bc it is the fastest most mobile and thereby most fun class to play. Yes, it is as easy as that.

Dagger Wishlist:

-You shouldnt be able to climb while charging the dagger, i try so often to backsab someone above me but instead of jumping and stabbing, it tries to climb and my charge gets canceled (VERY IMPORTANT THIS WAS NOT ABLE TO HAPPEN LAST SEASON SO I ASSUME YOU JUST FORGOTT TO PROGRAM IT RIGHT)
-Option to hold and tap backstab like with the throwing knifes
-Always being able to run as last season
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the audio indicator cus it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.
REVERT THE DASH COOLDOWN NERF

Sniper Wishlist:
raise hitscan range or reverg the nerf completely and just ban the weapon from powershift.

Light Wishlist:
Balance it so that it can make up for the less hp. While burst weapons can benefit from hit and run, you are allways as vulnerable as the m/h/l enemy when using machineguns/pistols

P.S.: PLEASE DO NOT START TO BUFF DAMAGE OF ALL WEAPONS TO LOWER THE OVERALL TTK. THE TTK IS ALREADY TO LOW ON SOME WEAPONS SO PLLLLLS STOP AND RATHER NERF DAMAGE THAN BUFF

strange ermine
visual pine
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Can I suggest a deployable AOE med station for the medium class that heals for 1/2 the healing rate of the medi beam. Would be a useful utility gadget if you dont want to run medi beam or run with the medi beam for better support on Medium. Just an alt form of healing would be nice to see.

finite galleon
dense marlin
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Remove hidden deadzone and add outer deadzone slider to control

jovial root
vernal ridge
prime flower
cold forum
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people like MIKYLETROY-TTV and other cheaters need to be banned. Insane that your anti cheat crashes my game and/or pc and still doesnā€™t work

wraith orchid
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light is and will allways be the most played class bc it is the fastest most mobile and thereby most fun class to play. Yes, it is as easy as that.

Dagger Wishlist:

-You shouldnt be able to climb while charging the dagger, i try so often to backsab someone above me but instead of jumping and stabbing, it tries to climb and my charge gets canceled (VERY IMPORTANT THIS WAS NOT ABLE TO HAPPEN LAST SEASON SO I ASSUME YOU JUST FORGOTT TO PROGRAM IT RIGHT)
-Option to hold and tap backstab like with the throwing knifes
-Always being able to run as last season
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the audio indicator cus it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.
REVERT THE DASH COOLDOWN NERF

Sniper Wishlist:
raise hitscan range or reverg the nerf completely and just ban the weapon from powershift.

Light Wishlist:
Balance it so that it can make up for the less hp. While burst weapons can benefit from hit and run, you are allways as vulnerable as the m/h/l enemy when using machineguns/pistols

P.S.: PLEASE DO NOT START TO BUFF DAMAGE OF ALL WEAPONS TO LOWER THE OVERALL TTK. THE TTK IS ALREADY TO LOW ON SOME WEAPONS SO PLLLLLS STOP AND RATHER NERF DAMAGE THAN BUFF

quick coyote
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Please let us wear watches with more glove options.

The duskvane jacket also seems like it was intended to be able to wear watches, but you cannot.

Please also allow for more crossbody / upper back cosmetics to be worn with the duskvane top as well šŸ™

rotund sluice
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Easy rebalance for defib - if a medium is defibbed, their personal defib is also on cooldown. Prevents defib chains but still encourages it as a gadget.

hexed frigate
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We need a university Jacket and kinda creepy chicken mask. Just saying āœ‹šŸ„¶šŸ¤š

strange ermine
viral stump
quick coyote
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EMBARK can we do something about the greifing, your too 500 so everyone else doubles the cash out then letā€™s another team get it

fresh beacon
true obsidian
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yall really need to nerf the cl 40 this is so lame.

versed hazel
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not really game feedback but can we start banning people for all caps messages in here

sterile kindle
thick sorrel
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In Season 3 the LH1 buff to 51 damage got instant reverted, but Pike does 59 damage, while Medium having also more health. Make it make sense!

Also the higher firerate of LH1 isn't practical because of the recoil. if you want to hit your shots and it takes more skill with your trigger finger, while the Pike can be spammed accurately.

Btw who thought AKIMBO Deagles should be midrange oppressive? While 93R sucks after 5 meters...
That hipfire sniping need to stop - looking at Model 1887 too.

young smelt
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The pike is nowhere near as good as the lh1 was, youā€™re coping

sage rose
modest quest
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I think the mesh shield is much better now but it would be even better if the devs added variations like opening the mesh shield but being able to reload weapons

glacial salmon
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Once again, heavies and mediums dominate the field with equipment playing for the player. Embark rides mediums like a merry go round buffing shit that dont need buffs and giving them weapons that have no consequences. Makes excuses on why they cant buff Lights but directly gives those same buffs to mediums and heavies. Bullshit ass company that chooses preference over balance. No wonder your game is slowly dying.

jagged vector
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Canā€™t wait tell yall nurf the cl40

jovial root
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I have an idea for a new gadget: a throwable device designed to clear gas, smoke, or fire. Players could use this to have an opportunity to safely access the vault and cash out, instead of having to wait around when the cashout vault is on fire, gas, or smoke.

hearty wadi
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The elements already have a rock paper scissors thing going on. They all cancel each other out. Iā€™m pretty sure smoke is the only one that doesnā€™t have a direct counter but it doesnā€™t directly damage you either so itā€™s fine as is.

wraith orchid
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BALANCE THOUGHTS:

SPECIALIZATIONS:

-specializations are the most important part of balancing bc they have a major impact on the pace and fun of the game. they should be balanced in their own category because of that.

nerfing specs is the worst thing you can do balance wise, because it always messes with the pace of the game, which was in my opinion better in season 1/2. almost every spec nerf/change led to quicker, and more on raw weapon combat focused fights, and always took away a tiny part of the games caracteristic. domeshield nerf; dash nerf; heal nerf; cloak nerf; all of these had a major impact on the value of specs in generall. but we need to understand, that, compared to gadgets and weapons, the specs NEED to have the most value/impact on the games balance and pace bc IT IS the MOST ICONIC AND UNIQUE part of the game, besides the destruction, which is not a part of balancing. so i suggest to buff specs, and balance them on a high value level.

imagine specs being way better than ever. it would make the different classes more unique and would bring out the CLASS CHARACTERISTICS more.

am i the only one that thinks the different classes roles lost in importancy and everything is just a killmachine rn.

PLS TAKE THIS AS SERIOUS CRITIC EMBARK

remote rivet
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World Tour Proposal

As the Ranked mode is now in Cashout, the current World Tour doesn't in any way differentiate from Ranked, making it kind of a double-ranked system and suggesting time-costly grinds.

The World Tour should be something different, say for example let's have rotating modes. Maybe the first week there's Cashout, the second is Power Shift, then Bank It, Terminal Attack and so on.

This will give the World Tour a great, unique experience without much work for the devs, as just taking existing gamemodes improves the experience pretty much šŸ¤”

modern bramble
karmic cipher
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[bug]

  • cash box bugged 2m under the ground after being thrown on monaco
  • mouse buttons stopped working as heavy after using RPG, was bugged for the entire rest of the game
molten mango
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Basic features such as:

  1. Map voting when you queue into a match (or blacklisting maps if you wanna do the bare minimum)
  2. Text chat for consoles
  3. Granata indicators
devout talon
remote rivet
torpid sky
obtuse locust
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Nerfed rocket launcher which does 100 dmg now but give medium an 4 Ammo basically rocket launcher which does more dmg than the real rocket launcher and people say heavy is op

keen pike
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Higher sensitivity when ? I should not be forced to change my DPI just to be able to aim when im at 100% sensitivity.

wooden holly
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give back the jumpad slide mecanic pls

jovial root
wraith orchid
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light is and will allways be the most played class bc it is the fastest most mobile and thereby most fun class to play. Yes, it is as easy as that.

Dagger Wishlist:

-You shouldnt be able to climb while charging the dagger, i try so often to backsab someone above me but instead of jumping and stabbing, it tries to climb and my charge gets canceled (VERY IMPORTANT THIS WAS NOT ABLE TO HAPPEN LAST SEASON SO I ASSUME YOU JUST FORGOTT TO PROGRAM IT RIGHT)
-Option to hold and tap backstab like with the throwing knifes
-Always being able to run as last season
-Add a visual indicator of when the backstab is charged
-Remove the audio indicator cus it sounds terrible and you cant hear it mid fight at all.
REVERT THE DASH COOLDOWN NERF

Sniper Wishlist:
raise hitscan range or reverg the nerf completely and just ban the weapon from powershift.

Light Wishlist:
Balance it so that it can make up for the less hp. While burst weapons can benefit from hit and run, you are allways as vulnerable as the m/h/l enemy when using machineguns/pistols

P.S.: PLEASE DO NOT START TO BUFF DAMAGE OF ALL WEAPONS TO LOWER THE OVERALL TTK. THE TTK IS ALREADY TO LOW ON SOME WEAPONS SO PLLLLLS STOP AND RATHER NERF DAMAGE THAN BUFF

old magnet
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GIVE LIGHTS LANDMINES

swift crater
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needs more furry bait

strange ermine
carmine token
wind meteor
hearty wadi
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I deleted the answer because the discord app is being screwy and telling me my messages arenā€™t sending. I said:

fire gets rid of gas and smoke gets rid of fire.

If I need to get rid of gas, I usually throw a pyro grenade at the ceiling or wall so that it wonā€™t burn anywhere I may need to walk.

Another interesting piece of information that I came across is, apparently if you throw smoke into gas, it protects the gas from fire. I havenā€™t personally confirmed this but, Iā€™d be inclined to believe it.

@jovial root

broken herald
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nerf model1887 and cl

odd ibex
# wraith orchid light is and will allways be the most played class bc it is the fastest most mob...

@pearl kiln
Make dagger one click plus u can hold and nerf time to kill as itā€™s crazy fast

The heavy charge m slam immediately does maximum damage even if heavy start right in front of and almost no visual warning out of nowhere,itā€™s completely unbalanced,add the grunt audio right before it activates not in the middle of charge n slam,it should half damage for charge and more knock back when it start and maximum damage at the slam.

carmine token
# wind meteor That's a really nice idea considering that lights have a vanishing bomb, which i...

I've always enjoyed the idea of a healing bomb for Lights specifically. "Lights struggle with team utility" is a common position, and while giving a blatant support ability to Light is iffy in terms of class identity, it'd be a great bit of self-sustain that would answer common requests to buff Light HP, and it could easily serve as a team utility gadget if it had AOE healing capabilities. It can either be a small heal or a larger one with long cooldown, but it would help address many common complains Lights have about their viability, as well as help Mediums and Heavies who hate dealing with solo-roaming Lights who are allergic to teamplay.