👂┇game-feedback

[terse lark]

please add an option to turn off glitch effect on clothing

[brave jacinth]

Fix the ranking system to be matched by actual gameplay. I just went 10-4 on round 2 and started/ defended 3 cashouts. My team went 0-8 and 2-6. Both mediums. Bro who went 0-8 had 787 combat score at the end of round two. Why. Just why do I get an arrow down for my rank. For what. Im gonna lose it my G.

[crisp heart]

Please add LH1 virtual extension skin

[young smelt]

We need an ancient civilization map. Like Aztec or Babylonian type of thing

[stone stag]

not feed back for the game but for the discord, we could have a section where people can post there character customisation to share our style and combos

[willow leaf]

For the love of fucking god why are spawns so atrocious in this game.

[cyan pilot]

revert stungun nerf other than the ads thing

[daring ravine]

Add full keyboard and mouse support to consoles with season 3 update. Cross play is no longer console only cross play especially when it comes to ranked. Allow me the option to choose my own input!

[whole acorn]

I apologize, Embark
Thank you for this great game, it just had me frustrated. I hope this next season solves a lot of issues.

[cold lotus]

EMBARK NERF THE FUCKING HEAVYS ALREADY

[eternal gorge]

I think things are developing at a decent enough pace. It would be nice if in season 3 we get a fully revamped and final version of custom lobbies with more freedoms than we have currently, and maybe a few more game modes/maps. I'd be happy with that lol

[terse lark]

please add an option to turn off glitch effect on clothing

[solemn burrow]

thats wayyyy too much

[crisp heart]

Please add an action/animation to look at your watch if you have one

[mortal ridge]

Just a feature I thought would be cool;

"Assist counts as kill"
I am so sick and tired of ending the game with 10+ assists just because my teammates get the last bullet on someone I dumped my entire magazine into.

This feature would make it so that if you did most of the damage to a person, but your teammate secured the kill, you'd still get the kill.

Pretty straightforward, nothing crazy. I'm just tired of doing almost all of the damage to someone just for my 'teammates' to come up out of nowhere, shoot one bullet, and get the credit for the kill that they barely contributed to

[steel yew]

bro sought god for forgiveness LMAO

[sage sonnet]

PLEASE TELL ME I DONT GO DOWN IN RANK IF MY GODDAMN TEAMATE LEAVES ROUND 1

[clear hemlock]

Best take this server has ever seen

[remote steppe]

my little suggestion: make the ability for the mesh shield to just hold Q instead of toggle. I feel like I could manage it better but maybe thats just me

[eternal aspen]

having trouble staying in my permade party after matches, sometimes it shows us all togehter when we're not ]:

[magic hull]

same and sometimes it works other times not so much

[late herald]

Nerfing the APS but not having an indicator for frags is ridiculous. Ppl just spam frags in ranked and even I have an APS it’s not enough.

[stark notch]

who cares that you get 10+ assists. only thing you should care about is damage stat in that scenario. id rather not follow the overwatch route to give people participation rewards to make it look like theyre doing something

[lavish shard]

Nerf TK ting ting ting every game boring

[solemn burrow]

I agree that there needs to be something to prevent people from quitting. Just maybe not a whole season lol

[fringe burrow]

I think ur misunderstanding, I am talking about the fire burn effect after leaving the fire source called 'afterburn' in most games. I do not use a riot shield as I have said

[still yoke]

I got this idea for a skin called bang bang its a revolver shaped like a hand doing a finger gun

[coarse ivy]

use your eyes they leave a trail

[manic steppe]

There is an issue with mines that are stuck floating they crash the game for whoever walks into them.

[terse lark]

please add an option to turn off glitch effect on clothing

[quick dew]

copy and paste of a message I made on twitch:

it's game dev 101 to make the weapons OP as hell at launch so the casual players can have fun and then start balancing them a bit more after a week or two (look at the Fortnite cars this season as an example, OP at launch but quickly nerfed) i dont know if Embark is just choosing not to do this or they don't even know to do it

[crimson pier]

Bring Terminal Attack to private matches please : )

[cedar basin]

I’m ranked 23k. Plat 1, diamond 4 peak. Sometimes I solo queue, other times I double or three stack with friends. WHY am I getting matched with the same top 75 player and his three-stack over and over and OVER no matter what?! There is ALWAYS a t500 three stack in my lobby no matter what and I’m sick of it

[whole acorn]

LMFAOOO Braaaa😂 I had to that shi was gettin me so tight all day I just had to light up n’ think back like smh I’m goin too hard on this game

[bleak phoenix]

the series s can turn Warzone 3 with 70-120 fps
and warzone has a very bad console optimization

[hot lodge]

theres an issue with the game where i cant unlock light or heavy no matter how many games i play

[arctic marten]

Please add teams to private matches. Quick cash 3 teams and you can choose the name from existing team names (The Retros, The High Notes, The Ultra Rare's, etc). Cash Out 4 teams, etc.

Also add a way to modify game modes. If someone wants to 1v1 in solo bank it, there shouldn't be 2 vaults, 2 cash outs. Make it so you can modify the modes.

One last thing. I tried to create a private match while in a party, and it didn't let me. So if you could make it so you can create it while in a party, it would be a nice quality of life change.

[regal sand]

Day 2 of asking the devs to fix cloak ui bug

[hardy bridge]

give light cocaine

[mild token]

I normally never do this but this was too obvious notablerig#4972 miss no bullit. report

[crimson pier]

Make sure everyone in the party has cross play on

[rotund torrent]

please add rocket jumping to heavy, even if it gonna cost most my health it would add soo much good gameplay

[unique slate]

add more comms to the comm wheel such as yes, no, sorry

[lavish shard]

Nerf ting ting ting please

[rose vigil]

been enjoying the finals. only thing i prefer are maps with more cover. a bit more tactical vs aesthetic. Also would appreciate a "sorry" on the comms.

[brazen fox]

Please put Oscar in the lore.

[floral plover]

Oscar as an Oscar ? Dagger ?!

[arctic marten]

I heard season 3 map should be a very beautiful map. It is Japanese themed (if all the leaks and rumors are anything to go of off) I suspect it should have around the same cover amount as any other map. I dont think this game really needs any cover placed on purpose like arena shooters. I feel like that may not fit the game theme, playstyle, gameplay, etc.
I do get where youre coming from tho. Sure some cashout's (especially on syshorizon) can be very open and have little to no cover. But one of the beautiful things about this game is that you can make your own cover. Sure might not be enough, or an option sometimes. But that's what makes the game unique and fun.
Adding purposely placed covers like mini walls, cubes. Will ruin that fun imo

[desert ruin]

Why is there a timer on letting you reconnect in a ranked match? What benefit is there, if my pc crashes and it leaves my teammates down a man since my game didn't turn on fast enough? It makes no sense whatsoever. The timer should be far more than 5 minutes. Tho it felt like closer to 3, whatever it is, it's not close to enough time. All it does is cause frustration. It's not like there's fill on for ranked matches.

[woven elk]

The impact on rank is far to much for games where people leave and/or do not participate. ALWAYS so fucking frustrating to rank down when there are so many leavers/bad plays unrelated to your own performance.

[stray valley]

awesome idea and awesome pfp

[crisp valve]

WEAPON SKIN: with how goofy the skins are (stick weapons, giant spoon, scissors, etc.), I think it'd be funny if there were toy cars as throwing knives. Like, imagine just yeeting hot wheels toys at people😂

[pseudo breach]

It is possible. But I'll have for instance 5 great matches where every shot lands, then the next 2 or 3 matches I can't hit shit, even though there are particle effects etc etc and yellow crosshair for headshots. When this happens, I need to empty 2 mags in to a Medium's head before they die. I've tested this a few times on AFK players as well where there are 0 chances of missing, but still the same issue 🥲

[valid salmon]

does anyone have this bug were u cant use your Right Click on some weapons/ ability every 2-3 games, like all the other pices of equpement work but i cant heal with the beam ??? or i cant scope with the AK

[cold lotus]

add animal custom skins and Nonbinary skins I personally Identify as a Snake so i expect a snake like skin

[stark venture]

Jukebox when?

[scarlet jetty]

Can we get a better Ranked tier-progression tracking system?

[gentle panther]

So i have some Heavy nerf suggestions. Right now the probably most used gadget and specialization are rpg and charg n slam.

Charg n slam:
When activating charge and slam the arms will block your vision so like a cross right in front of your face so you can't see anything and it will be harder to track the enemie.(maybe some damage reduction too but i dunno)

RPG:
Damage reduction to 70 or 100 ( i am not sure),self damage reduction and add knockback on impact that knocks enemies back. It will act as an isolation tool and the Rpg+ charg n slam combo won't be that strong anymore.

[rough herald]

150 fov

[violet elbow]

cloaking device but it doesnt cloak you, is visible at 50m and barely has any uptime

[clear hemlock]

I think he was shooting your teammate

But yea I got shot from over 40 meters by a sniper

[thick sorrel]

Can't wait for S3.
Remember, marketing will attract players.
Good Ranked+Balance+Anti-Cheat will keep the players!

[hollow scaffold]

Crazy how i played from silver to diamond yesterday and players in silver have 4 times better aim than players in diamond because all "high rank" players do is play triple heavy spam abilities

[slow crescent]

I heared rumors abot sys horizon can ungliched, soo i need to say this:
I love this map and if you think about it, so, please, dont change this!

[queen cloud]

Rank in this game means nothing.
You don't need to be a good player to be diamond.

The meta is terrible to the point individual skill (aim/mechanics/game sense) are not the most important and u can have typical 3 stack boomer diamond that are dog shit mechanically at the game.

[frigid iris]

Make a text chat use chatgpt and get the codes dumboos

[tight bison]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-gif-5958854468941694453

[honest harness]

30 days between name changings are a bit much imo.

[glad vapor]

You mean the best players are the ones who win? Crazy

[dapper adder]

our teammate's game was bugged and couldn't join the game
and now we can't get team wipe
we are stuck and can't do anything

[polar shell]

EMBARK: I want to be able to emote wheel nice things about my TEAMMATES when SPECTAYING, u had this before, PLZ FIX

[gentle spear]

I'm with the other people on this one, when your teammates steal the deposit it should count since only one person can steal it while the rest has to defend or fight other players. (So far I only need 5 steals left and I'm done with the challenges)

[terse lark]

please add an option to turn off glitch effect on clothing

[open tusk]

throwing knifes are literally too powerful

[prime wing]

dw light needs it

[lavish shard]

Nerf ting ting ting TK please

[sharp herald]

3 of us ended up uninstalling
Revert knives

[queen cloud]

I'm also uninstalling if S3 ends up bad with way too much focus on melee instead of guns (because Japan) and bad balance like in s2

[river plover]

I'm also uninstalling if S3 ends up bad with way too much focus on guns instead of melee (because Japan) and bad balance like in s2

[strong vessel]

I'm also uninstalling if S3 ends up bad with way too much focus on weapons instead of anime (because Japan) and bad balance like in s2

[lavish shard]

Buff TK = 8/9 play light tk sword
Or counter GL flamethrower bad bad meta aim weapons usless

[worn sigil]

Reverting TK is stupid, it was sooo bad before! Just fine tune the speed and it'll be fine.
Furthermore, Light is supposed to have the highest TTK in the game as they have low health to balance it out!

Melee just needs a animation cancel as @quick coyote said and they're in a good place.

I hate it when people say nerf this nerf that because all they play is PowerShift!
If course in Powershift everyone's gonna use the less meta weapons to get clips or just have fun.
That is what non ranked modes are for!
I just use PowerShift for circuit challenges otherwise it's a pretty bad mode overall!

In ranked light still gets destroyed against good players.
Stop using unranked as a means to justify nerfs and buffs!

Furthermore if S3 is the rumoured Japan season, then as assassins and samurai etc.. they use swords & TK as their main tools to kill!

@desert beacon still unranked tho so it doesn't matter!
The go to in every unranked mode was still M & H. About time it was L for a change in unranked.

@tulip needle hopefully it will be added in S3 next week!

[desert beacon]

i played other modes too there is lots of lights now in every mode, @worn sigil btw by every mode i mean EVERY mode, even ranked,"they hate the buff because they only play power shift!!!" even by this point its still bad because it makes at least ONE mode basically unbalanced mess, and even if there is many lights only in unranked, it means that its killing it too, and basically a big majority of players who like to play the quickplay more rather than ranked

[tulip needle]

Hello. I am wondering why there is no elo loss protection. I just played a tournament and was alone from start to finish. I think there should be a system in place which detects if your teammates quit or not

[queen cloud]

Imagine having good gunplay and mechanics that rewards skill in a fps game. Too much work, better to just add meme weapons and skins to make casual player happy.

Japan map? I bet they'll give katana to medium/heavy and have some weird kamikaze mechanic

[hollow scaffold]

here's one 🤡

[quick coyote]

REMOVE LOW GRAVITY ITS FUCKING STUPID AND ANNOYING

[sharp herald]

Having the majority of lobbies be majority light throwing knives is tedious and makes the game look like it does on the surface.
Revert knives and I'll reinstall

[sullen raptor]

Is anybody else experiencing crazy amounts of crashes? Coming to the end of the season myself and many others would be grinding through their last career quests, but I'm finding it so hard to get them done because I keep crashing and losing all my progress in those games. The "steal cashouts" is being particularly tough to get fifteen, especially if I get 2-3 steals in a match then the game crashes and I get nothing. MY RECOMMENDATION TO EMBARK (just highlighting this part) is to allow players to reconnect to matches left so that they can still get rewards from the game and not lose the game for their teammates. Now I know this would be hard with backfill (not sure if thats what its called) but it is just so annoying to have to keep trying to play matches without crashing, and then the one I survive through was a subpar performance anyways. Thats my fix, but I'm sure this issue is already on your radar. P.S. There are some quests that are WAY harder than other to complete, or are bugged, but thats another discussion. I love your game Embark and will keep persisting with it

[lavish shard]

I love this game but in quick play meta sword TK i juts horrible dev love kill the game
Rpg Flamethrower GL
Ranked light usless dev try buff it = kill quikplay 😔😔

[regal sand]

Agreed. It fucks up my movement.

[desert beacon]

the knives were mostly skill based before and now they are just buffed to the point where they can literally kill a heavy dude faster than the heavy killing light, @hasty pelican oh yeah other guns were nerfed too, and while one ak is taking only half of light hp, your hp is already 0 and your dead @bleak coral i have UPD: im a fucking dumbass thinking that ak doesnt take huge pile of damage, they actually do and i was wrong, just played one match with ak and literally murdered a bunch of them, still the problem with knives is still a problem cuz of the amount of damage they do is stupid.

[echo viper]

Slow the tk projectile speed back down to pre-buff levels but improve their accuracy, and allow us to hold the m2

[hasty pelican]

no? just shoot them man if u hit your shots they die like twice as fast

[bleak coral]

have u tried hitting ur shots?

[dry timber]

the light throwing kinfe buff is really getting absurd right now

[wild lance]

Seem to be the only one with this problem, Game does not track my progress, Stats are stuck at 0, no matter how many games I play, Steam achievements unlock, Battlebass unlocks, and Account levels up, But stats don't track, Don't have access to Heavy or Light class after 20 games. Is there a fix or not? I've already unlinked my account to reset stats and the new account still doesn't track.

[quick coyote]

you should create a ticket in https://id.embark.games/support
trying ask for help there, they might help you

[rough herald]

i was wining a rank game

[sullen raptor]

This is the exact thing that is happening to me. I'm not sure how frequent it is for you, but its but every second or third game for me. It absolutely sucks, hope Embark has a solution in mind.

[desert beacon]

also sometimes half of my team or ALL of my team members literally disconnected for no reason, it happened to me in ranked AND in quickplay, leaving me playing in duo or even solo, there should be some fix of this bug

[tulip kite]

They should get rid of RPG

[high wing]

These things needs to be in patch notes for season 3.

Upgrades servers and netcode to fit the finals fast paced gameplay
Updated matchmaking, personal performance now matter. Removed ladderclimb system and added proper MMR system.
Removed aim assist / xim inputs on PC. Now only Mouse and Keyboard works on PC.
Now permbanning all cheaters.
Improved optimizations
Updated hitreg, now your shoots wont go through enemies, instead they will hit properly.
Added visible ping / latency.
Improved stability of game. Now game shouldnt crash anymore.
Updated league system with MMR so personal performance matter.
Added a lot more stats and match history to profiles.
Exploiters does now get perm banned.
Since game no longer crash, leavers now get 24h cooldown for each leave.
Game no longer have desyncs.
Updated parkour again, you now climb what you intend.
Removed defib and heal to promote skillbased gameplay.
Added profiles, you can now see stats and rank of other players.
Improved party system, you can now join party with your random team without adding them as friends first.
Fixed the faulty spawning system. People should now spawn properly and not in your face. Teams respawning should now not have an advantage.
Store credits will now show price in chosen currency as well so you know the value of your credits to promote transparency.
Fixed all exploits regarding emote canceling, gadget switching etc
Better stats on weapons and gadgets, now dmg etc are visible in numbers and not stupid white bars.

[rough herald]

Dash have this very weird input delay and it annoying me
like its not my pc or anything because walking shooting and all that have no input delay yet dash and dash alone have an input delay

@tropic swift ah yes, always a skill issue

[tropic swift]

Ya’ll are just yapping at this point just get good💀

[wraith orchid]

i need a clown costume

[quick coyote]

Embark should add an option to switch music kits in lobbies, like switch between season 1 ost and season 2 ost depending on which one you like, what do you think guys? is this idea skibidi rizz sigma gyatt no fanum taxxx?

[vale acorn]

Develop a system that detects last second ditchers who want to avoid a loss on their record and deal them 2 maybe 3 losses as a consequence

[glad vapor]

L mentality

[high wing]

Season 3 Patch Notes

Gameplay Updates:

• Upgraded servers and netcode to fit the finals fast-paced gameplay.
• Updated matchmaking; personal performance now matters. Removed ladder climb system and added a proper MMR system.
• Updated hit registration; shots will no longer go through enemies, instead they will hit properly.
• Updated parkour again, players can now climb what they intend.
• Fixed the faulty spawning system. Players should now spawn properly and not in your face. Teams respawning should now not have an advantage.
• Melee users can no longer quick attack directly after a weapon attack. Either you attack with weapon or quick attack, they share the same cooldown.

System Improvements:

• Improved game stability; the game should no longer crash.
• Improved party system; players can now join a party with their random team without adding them as friends first.
• Added visible ping/latency.
• Game no longer has desyncs.
• Store credits will now show price in chosen currency as well to promote transparency.

Player Profiles and Stats:

• Added a lot more stats and match history to profiles.
• Added profiles; players can now see stats and rank of other players.
• Better stats on weapons and gadgets are now visible in numbers and not just white bars.

Control and Customization Updates:

• Removed aim assist / xim inputs on PC. Now only Mouse and Keyboard works on PC.
• Now players can have different keybindings for each class and loadout.
• Now players can set default skins etc in the equipment screen.

Anti-Cheat Measures:

• Permanent bans are now being issued for all cheaters.
• Exploiters will now receive permanent bans.
• Fixed all exploits regarding emote canceling, gadget switching etc.
• Since the game no longer crashes, leavers will now get a 24-hour cooldown for each leave.

Gameplay Changes:

• Removed defibrillator and heal beam to promote skill-based gameplay.

[upper citrus]

Why would defib and heal beam be removed? They’re completely fine. Defib just needs to not have iframes when the animation finishes

[loud orchid]

Can you make either an ingame-chat or a feature where we can actually see the steam profile of the players aswell?

[modern jacinth]

HI, I am a player from china, i don't know if it is appropriate to express my idea to this game through you . I have to say, thank you for all members' effort to anti-cheat. It does work a lot, but as i know, there are still some guys to buy new accounts that have already played for 45 rounds. so my advices are as follow. 1. raise the limit of starting rank, not only by how many rounds they have played 2. divide the rank mode into solo and team, in china , some streamers in tiktok will group to play for others to get the diamond rank. but it will influence others' experience. if divide the rank mode, but have the same reward, i think it will avoid the phenomenon. My idea may be superficial, but i still appreciate that the environment in Asia server is much better. Hope this game can be much promising

[lavish shard]

Guys buff/nerf your main i start
Heavy
Nerf rpg lewis
Buff gravity cube sonar

[upper citrus]

"throwing knives are op"

[obsidian solar]

BUFF THE RIOT SHIELD:
Here's some suggestions, I know all of these together would make the shield pretty strong but even 1 or 2 would be enough to improve it so much!:

• While blocking movement speed should be the same as walking (increasing block movement speed would help a lot in pushing and giving your teammates support)
• Increase swing speed (Honestly a lot issues would be solve with this, the weapon lacks a good ttk)
• Increase damage from 84 to 90
• Electrify the baton and give it a glitch effect, when you hit somebody they're glitched for 2,5 sec (This would give the shield so much utility and would help the team greatly, making it a viable options)

FIX THE FOV WHEN HOLDING THE SHIELD UP:

• Remove the fov zoom when you hold your shield up (it's very annoying that when you block the screen zooms in, either remove it or add the option to choose between affected or indipendent fov while aiming)

HOLDING THE DAGGER BACKSTAB:

• Make it so you can hold the backstab and it's not a forced animation, revert it like it was in the Open Beta

GIVE SMOKE GRENADES TO ALL CLASSES:

• Give smoke grenade to all classes! It would open so many possibilities! I would use smoke so much if it was on medium, on the other hand i've barely seen any Light using smoke, especially when they have better gadgets to choose from

[bleak coral]

that one light used throwing knives, his teammates left and still top fragged and won the whole tournament 😄

[drifting obsidian]

Fcar needs a buff. It’s now worse than the AKM.
-more recoil
-less dps
-less bullets in the mag

The only upside to the fcar is the sight on it.

[brittle obsidian]

mfw the utility weapon isn't as good at being a weapon as other weapons

[worn sigil]

I've had so many ninja defuses as light with smoke, I use smoke Goo & frags.

I wouldn't want any other class stealing my thunder. M & H already are OP and meta.

[novel lily]

Im not uninstalling if S3 ends up bad with way too much focus on guns instead of melee (because Japan) and bad balance like in s2 bcuz i dont rlly care

[runic crater]

In my experience, the riot shield kills just fine— the only things I feel like it needs is the movement penalty be not as harsh (it still needs to be there bc running up to people with a shield is crazy) and/or the shield hit box should probably be more generous so that a person can’t shoot your toes to kill you or throw a nade that damages you through the shield

[rough herald]

static crosshair
150 fov

[valid widget]

I think you should add a flame thrower skin this is a can of aerosol and a zippo lighter 🙂

[quick coyote]

Hear me out... We know a new map is dropping season 3 and the consensus seems to be a feudal Japan map. Which sounds really cool but imagine if they dropped the feudal Japan map while also reskinning SYS$Horizon to a modern day Tokyo map.

That way it's like they add two maps in one season and it goes with the lore of the reboot. It doesn't make sense to keep SYS$Horizon looking fruity and broken after the reboot. I absolutely love this idea and I'm also sick of the fruity look on SYS$Horizon.

[desert beacon]

i saw 2 L and 1 M or 2 L and 1 H

[coral abyss]

Is the sledge hammer overpowered?

[rapid stream]

hell no lol

[quick coyote]

Since season 2 came out everytime I start this game I have to look through challenges that dictate what I will play. Its so fucking stupid. I had more fun in beta.

[glad vapor]

No one is forcing you to do challenges

[proper night]

I really think the aim assist is really weak in this game, i don't see a problem with that for example the lewis gun it's really hard to control the recoil pattern when trying to shoot somebody at 50 meters

[golden rock]

I mean you can just play the game as you were and if anything only do the ones you have not completed at the end of the season if ya really want the cosmetics

[quick coyote]

The aim assist being weak is a good thing - aim assist that's too strong lowers the skill ceiling like Apex and COD

[viscid dock]

Source ?

[graceful slate]

You’re complaining about free cosmetics. Would you rather there be no weekly challenges?

[vernal swallow]

make it so I can manually put people on different teams in private matches so I can 1v1 in quick cash instead of solo bank it

[rough herald]

just... give me a slider for it already

[obsidian python]

idk why, but this really loud and annoying sound just started playing all of a sudden, I had to die twice just for it to stop and even then I'm not sure if dying twice is why it actually stopped.

[quick coyote]

I'd rather have harder, non time limited challenges than fomo bs.

[latent meteor]

no ones forcing you to do them

[vast tundra]

When will the servers be ok?

[glacial knot]

Please exchange the maps and add new modes. I m bored

[errant cove]

Are we going to get middle east servers?

[cinder ridge]

the revolver seems fun to use but the irons seem so doodoo

[placid vortex]

that's a very pleasing sound

[elder folio]

Assuming you're talking about circuits those aren't fomo. Do em whenever
To the person with the barrel idea below me: W idea I actually kinda like that.

[young hamlet]

Hear me out:
Heal and speed barrels
Theres so many offensive barrels? Why not add some non offensive ones?

[golden rock]

add invis barrels while we are at it, coz why not.

[signal basin]

Just come back after 3 weeks of holidays. I read patches, launch the game and this is my first death as a light

Still weak as ever and get killed by a no-skilled player who just use explosion like a dumb. I'm really happy to come back ( i'm not ).

[obsidian python]

sounds like a skill issue

[latent basin]

got targeted by two people: "upset the 2v1 isnt fair". Lmao.

[proper night]

wow that never happen to me before

[quick coyote]

Luckily your opinions are irrelevant to my feedback.

[plush fjord]

exactly. wth is this other guy talkin abt

[keen lily]

fix the damage on the throwing knives, it makes pubs so much less enjoyable

[rough herald]

throwing knife is a mid weapon on paper, but in practices it burst potential is too high

[brittle obsidian]

This is just L vs L fights in general.

[tepid brook]

Hey, if there is any dev looking at this, have you guys ever thought of getting actual sponsors in game? Like McDonalds or something?

[elder folio]

Partner with a drink company to make real ospuze

[trim cipher]

Nerf throwing knives thanks

[pure lynx]

Starting a solo rank game with a missing team mate... please do something about it. Needless to say we got last at the first round...
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3263026953

[spiral hemlock]

i never recieved the pink boombox even though i participated in power shift back then:( not that big of a deal but still weird

[keen light]

balance throwing knives please

[glad delta]

I think of those options the only one that I think even merits testing is glitch baton

[coral abyss]

Someone seems to be slapping it way faster than I possibly can. Has it anything to do with canceling attacks?

[dusk heath]

Just bring back the sonar nades to the medium class, We lost the Recon Sense and Im basically fighting blind without the sonar nades

[rapid stream]

Taunt cancelling doesnt work with sledge to my knowledge

[hardy bridge]

he domed you with them consistent headshots with tk are hard to land

[quick coyote]

Bring back the voices that the announcers had in Open Beta, they sounded way better, more alive and with more expressions, couldn't even tell they were AI back then.
Now? Their voices sound off and dead, you can tell it's AI.

Even that voice line when they agree ''Without question indeed!'' is gone. 😔

Could also add a different audio slider for the announcers since most of people turn off their voices just to hear the game, and some also want to hear the voices of their characters when pinging.

[pulsar wasp]

Can i just say, your skilled matchmaking is horrible how can i do 13k of damage and my teammates do 1,500

[keen lily]

idk if I have the sanity to grind out the last headshot challenge, I don't want to play ranked anymore since I reached diamond and there is no point in playing further, and pubs are infested with knife throwing idiots dashing around

[rapid river]

Bruh we have to nerf the throwing knives

[woven elk]

☝️

[pseudo latch]

Day 82 of me begging the devs to give heavy an M134 Minigun as a Specialization.

• 200 Round magazine, ammo is restored two bullets every second, 100 seconds for a full reload.
• 20 rounds per second, eleven damage a round, 220 DPS. No headshot modifier to keep DPS from becoming insane.
• Falloff begins at 30 meters down to six damage a shot at 50, but wide spread means the weapon becomes less effective past 10 meters even against larger targets, you’re probably not getting higher than 150 DPS even as far as 10 meters.
• bullets do high damage to structures (should be breaking walls in 20-50 shots) allowing a mid-range option to output mass destruction (destroying entire walls on higher floors of buildings, ripping apart nesting sightlines)
• • significant damage to structures and players
• • gun can be pre-spooled with RMB over having an ADS (for obvious reasons, you try to aim down the sights of a water cooler)|
• • high suppressive force through sheer amount of bullets being fired
• • its a goddamn minigun
• - Heavy cannot jump or sprint while holding it, has to switch back to primary
• - lengthy equip-unequip time to balance such, no “pocket minigun” strats, choosing to use this mid-combat is a commitment, one that could get you killed.
• - gun has to spool up for a second before firing, spool up being LOUD

[rose verge]

heavy is already super OP what makes you think they need another OP weapon? you're absolutely batshit crazy if you think you need that @latent basin obviously but you also shouldnt be able to jump onto platform charge and slam and then rpg and wipe a whole team without any fuckin effort, heavy is a class for skillless morons who sniff glue

[steel spruce]

Add attachments

[latent basin]

there is a lot of obvious counterplay.... if you cant figure out how to use a enemy weapon disadvantages against them, you shouldnt be playing the game.

[timber helm]

Throwing knives are super op man

[hollow valve]

Lmao.
Fact: H H M>H>throwing knives>Medium>other lights.
In pubs who intentionally goes HHM? The only persons who don't complain throwing knives in pubs are heavies with shield and rpg, which I have experienced. Those are literally the easiest games ever.

OMG!!! Look what I have found! A heavy that says throwing knives are fInE. I guess other players are a joke to you, if it's ok for me then it's surly ok for everyone.😂

@upper citrus omg you can't even comprehend this message? No wonder you think throwing knives is fine.

@lavish shard yes I know and the sword. I was replying that clown so I didn't consider the sword.
Yeah I know. Now I only play medium which is the so called most balanced class. Just trying not to annoy others.
Yes dude I can completely feel you. Now medium again lights is basicly run and run and keep distance. The only thing you can do is to pray they won't hit the next knife and your next dodging hip fire will connect them. But recently I have seen more mediums and heavies in qp. So it's better than the patch released time now.
Also there is a way to counter TK which is to spam ads when hipfire to increase the accuracy. It can increase the hipfire accuracy while having enough dodging strafe speed. Normally I only see and use this type of play in high ranked of other games. And it's painful and feels on edge to play like that.

[upper citrus]

This shit is hieroglyphics what are you saying

[proper barn]

can we get raining weather and storm more often than fog pls

[drowsy rapids]

I think you guys should have us vote on Highlights if we can't already. The highlight video felt lackluster. The music is probably part of it it's very chill.

[lavish shard]

Quikplay everybody play light 8/9 sword TK worst meta ever
I dont talk for ranked
No prob bro at the moment ranked and qp is very very not balanced 😔😔
Meta sword TK push people play flamethrower rpg and GL med 🤮🤮🤮

[placid obsidian]

Day six of requesting that native mouse and keyboard support be added to THE FINALS.

[quick coyote]

Since there's a weaker version of the C4 named the Breach Charge for Light, how about a weaker version of the RPG-7?
This gadget could be a single shot grenade launcher for Light, not made for damage but for breaching through floors and walls, could deal like 50 explosion damage or something (debatable).
I don't think you guys see anyone running Breach Charges on Light either.... This could give Light more chances to open paths in the map.

[glacial knot]

You added this ability which let medium walk through the wall, you didnt think that the APS is now useless. Before we are using the aps to prevent enemy destroying the wall to drop the cash out and now nobody use it anymore. You can removed the aps now is really useless and nobody use it .

[clear hemlock]

Maybe two shots and remove breach charge from the game def a good suggestion. Weapon looks cool af too

[autumn sedge]

make someone stealing your cashout more audible, sometimes I completly miss it

[stable knoll]

This should be renamed the Whiner Channel, I think ever weapon and gadget has a place and player like having a choice for what works for them, If you dont like a weapon or gadget then dont use it. Its very simple. Love the game, love the devs and cant wait for season 3!

[tawny oriole]

I don't want to be disrespectful but embark should give the game to other developers like activision did with COD. Otherwise at the latest when the game almost dies embark will be forced to do it exactly like activision did with COD

[compact verge]

yo. Why is there no system for making private matches better. Id love there would be a way to assign people to teams. Yesterday had quick cash that should be 3v3v3 lmao game put 7 players into 1 team of 4 and other 3.

[floral plover]

Nail gun xp-54!!! If you like? Go to #1247567981513412698

[proper barn]

can we get an option to extend the viewmodel a bit further instead of being so close to the camera?

[willow leaf]

Make the spawning better

[idle thistle]

People crying about throwing knives are a joke, what are you, gold ? mp5 is better in every way yet I don't see you crying about it

[placid socket]

I don't know about you guys but to me Scotty's AI voice is very noticable in the new highlight vid. June sounds perfectly fine but Scotty's voice is awfully robotic and reminds of those US presidents playing minecraft vids.

[nimble vale]

I personally would LOVE a "minimalist" option for the UI. Wish I could post examples but the game looks GORGEOUS when I turn off the UI completely, but it's very very difficult to tell friend from foe (except for the outline ofc). I was watching clips back and at one point during powershift with an event going on and sudden death, like 60% of my entire screen was covered by text, makes it feel so messy in game and awful to use as a clip for viewing.

[fickle venture]

Nerf stealth throwing knifes or buff the mines and turrets
Literally lights be oneshotting everyone these days
And as a medium main I cant do anything my turret wont stop them my mines wont explode
My gun doest have enough dmg to outgun those peekaboos
My recons gaget was taken
Now Im just waiting for a light to scan my arse to oneshot from no where
Imo Give turret truesight
Give mines more deto radius(Ive lose counts of the time my mines wont trigger even enemies are just running overthem literally mines are too bad)

[prime wing]

You also happen to be getting that thing where you place your turret facing the enemy entry point five business days before they arrive, and for some reason, the turret still refuses to engage them? Been happening a lot for me lately!

[hardy bridge]

give light a shockwave grenade from fortnite

[acoustic storm]

The Katana needs some serious nerfs.

[compact verge]

puting people in teams pre match or during match would be a good option or maybe option to restart a game by leader. There are just no options to manage players or game.

[wicked pond]

light class already has dash to run away why do you need shockwave granade+heavy class would have a harder time catching up to you

[quartz shell]

give heavy a football that 1shot light 🥺

[willow leaf]

Make the spawning better

[exotic ivy]

Please let us back out of ranked unpunished if starting with only 2 players. Also, let us convert these useless VRs into multi bucks or something. After a week of grinding they are useless.

[bleak coral]

I'd love for every class get better gadgets for destruction.
They should also add so if you punch a wall 8 times it breaks or something to that effect and like 2 mags of any of the weapons, reduce the amount for explosive weapons to 1 mag.

Either the servers can't handle it or it's a huge waste that unless you run sledgehammer heavy you can't destroy what you want without waiting on cooldown for MINUTES

[still crater]

The heavy class is dog shit you’re slowly making the heavy class no more than a NPC to be killed in the game if you’re gonna Nerf, his offensive defensive and his fucking ability and at least give him something else to make him powerful

[candid flower]

You are just horrible at the game bro if you cant play the heavy you got bigger problems than the heavy being underpowered heavy is meta in ranked lol

[cinder ridge]

Are the devs aware of the blatant server issues rn. My internet is fine but I bounce around standing in place and it takes 3 shots to break a window ranked will be unplayable if not fixed before s3

[iron bough]

My friend is now insane because of that challenge.

[vernal swallow]

cmon devs we need this 💯💯

(I remeber seeing you on like day 3 lmao)

[pseudo latch]

We commit to the bit

[stuck torrent]

1. Light Gadget is very boring... Light need to only play glitch, stun, frag to be useful. Others are completely useless. I can't even fight against healing beam + heavy in high-ELO ranked...

please buff some of light gadget please. Flash, Thermal, and Smoke is completely USELESS.... Their period is very short and range is also very small. Also, glitch is should be impact instead.
(it's like you try to balanced game by keep patching every week, but still ignoring the weapon and gadget that is not meta... 🥲)

I'm light main, and now I'm very boring to play in every mode... weapon is good, but gadget is boring. I keep buying new skin and have fun with it for a short time, and then getting bored very quickly because of gadget and game mode that make it's not fun to play with no mic random teammate.

2. this game is also not new player friendly, it's rally hard to understand for casual player. My friend keep getting boring every time they comeback to play. It's like just fight and keep fighting with no macro strategy understanding, because casual player never even understand what should and what shouldn't do in multiple situation

It's like you make Heavy very strong in High-ELO and look funny as hell in casual. and Light being very annoying and high advantage in bank-it and casual, but very USELESS in High-ELO ranked...

[cyan crane]

The countdown that the audience yells is delayed by like 5 seconds

[gusty wagon]

• demat needs to be made more consistent and open holes properly - especially in vegas. some walls i could use all 3 charges and still have trouble going through when it really shouldn't be this inconsistent. either fix that or change the recharge rate/charge number if the depth cannot be changed. another thing is the "rate of use", it's really really slow. it should be increased by a lot. opening and closing holes sometimes takes so long you die before you can even do it.
• heal beams needs to be tuned down a bit or made so as not to be able to use mid fight with such unfair effectiveness. people can just be getting healed and fight anyone and not die, especially heavies. i always saw heal beams as a tool to get a team back up to 100% health fast after a fight, before another new fight occurs, not to be spammed mid fight and win all. either decrease the rate of healing a bit or decrease the maximum healing potential before overheating, or decrease the healing effectiveness while they are taking damage.
• rpg needs a longer cooldown and/or a longer switch time and/or some sound queue whenever it is going to be used or switched to, it is too often an absolute ender of fights with 1 single button that doesnt require much thought. another idea would be to increase the rpg explosive radius and destructive radius while decreasing the total damage. it should be a tool for destruction not for dps.
• GL self damage needs to be increased significantly.
• defib invincibility for 1 second after the respawn time is complete should not even be a thing, why can they shoot me while i cant shoot them? defibbed bodies should also not block shots, idk who thought this would be a good idea. seems almost like defibs were buffed more than anything else.
• not sure if something is being done about the healing MHH and MMH combos at higher elos but i hope it is, lights obviously need to be in better form.

[willow leaf]

I agree with all of this

[young hamlet]

Hear me out
Whistler map with ski lifts

[drowsy forum]

I feel they nerfed the rpg, at least I feel they did, I used to be able to one tap lights with it but that doesn’t seem to be the case anymore.

[high wing]

Season 3 Patch Notes

Gameplay Updates:

• Upgraded servers and netcode to fit the finals fast-paced gameplay.
• Updated matchmaking; personal performance now matters. Removed ladder climb system and added a proper MMR system.
• Updated hit registration; shots will no longer go through enemies, instead they will hit properly.
• Updated parkour again, players can now climb what they intend.
• Fixed the faulty spawning system. Players should now spawn properly and not in your face. Teams respawning should now not have an advantage.
• Melee users can no longer quick attack directly after a weapon attack. Either you attack with weapon or quick attack, they share the same cooldown.

System Improvements:

• Improved game stability; the game should no longer crash.
• Improved party system; players can now join a party with their random team without adding them as friends first.
• Added visible ping/latency.
• Game no longer has desyncs.
• Store credits will now show price in chosen currency as well to promote transparency.

Player Profiles and Stats:

• Added a lot more stats and match history to profiles.
• Added profiles; players can now see stats and rank of other players.
• Better stats on weapons and gadgets are now visible in numbers and not just white bars.

Control and Customization Updates:

• Removed aim assist / xim inputs on PC. Now only Mouse and Keyboard works on PC.
• Now players can have different keybindings for each class and loadout.
• Now players can set default skins etc in the equipment screen.

Anti-Cheat Measures:

• Permanent bans are now being issued for all cheaters.
• Exploiters will now receive permanent bans.
• Fixed all exploits regarding emote canceling, gadget switching etc.
• Since the game no longer crashes, leavers will now get a 24-hour cooldown for each leave.

Gameplay Changes:

• Removed defibrillator and heal beam to promote skill-based gameplay.
• Respawn timer lowered to compensate

[crystal umbra]

IF YOU KEEP POSTING COMMUNITY HIGHLIGHTS, ILL KEEP REPOSTING THEM.

Deal?

Deal.

[rugged temple]

It went from 180 to 150 and now 140. Also increased self dmg. Still stupidly broken

[serene matrix]

Day 1 of begging devs for thermal vision echa scetch skin

[stuck sentinel]

xD

[vernal swallow]

yo a movie themed season would be so sick, like a map where every area is different, a western area, a medieval area, a modern area (or technically old cuz the games in the future) and like maybe even an alien area with like low gravity or something, would be super sick to see (thought of this idea after seeing those cool movie themed cosmetics in a video on yt)

also I feel like rpg should be halved with damage and instead have double range of explosion, a little extra arena damage, and a little bit of knockback to whoever gets hit would be pretty cool to see and I feel like most people will stop getting mad at rpg for being op

also give smoke and recon grenade to medium cuz like no one uses recon grenade anymore (although light keeps that and dart) and also smoke only being on light while flashbang is on every class is dumb like it should be the other way around tbh

[quick coyote]

when are they going to nerf throwing knives? thast all lights run nowadays

[sudden spire]

Feels like every Power Shift game is a 4v5
Too many leavers in this game

[stuck torrent]

For the healing beam part, you should nerf it to slowdown when target is damaged, like overwatch; Healing beam is meta and needed to solo reach diamond...

Light has no place to play and close to 0 pick rate in diamond... (has to play same gadget every game, very boring and still has to avoid fighting MMH and MHH healing beam)
I can't continue to play this game, even I keep buying new skin. It's not fun anymore even I stack team with my friends...

[topaz seal]

the game looks too bright as of recent for some reason

[viscid tundra]

Fix your damn ranked, i keep meeting golds even though i am bronze like what is the point of ranked if you are just gonna face better players than you

[hollow breach]

The graphics and lighting system, glare and bloom are really too bright at times where you're simply unable to see due to the pure light it got going on... but this might solve your problem. If you have ever turned on nvidia raytraying and turned it back to static the only way to fix it to re install the game

[subtle copper]

revert the dagger changes. they backstab proc way too often now. all the melee kinda annoying in a shooter

[stark venture]

Can we get a crossbow?

[willow leaf]

Make the spawns better

[sinful osprey]

Daryl Dixon in the finals????

[proven crown]

After soloQing in placements, I'll end up in silver, yet I always at least work up to high plat - but dealing with silver and gold teammates for long is awful. Perhaps make it so everyone just goes down one and a half ranks at start of a season?

[eternal gale]

issue that i had already for 3 times just happened again, as soon as i load into the final round im stuck in the loading screen but still here sound, any dev maybe help me??

[brave jolt]

fix the matchmaking and make my teammates good ples

[willow leaf]

Make the spawns better

[quick coyote]

Are knives still overpowered? Just ping me in main chat lmao

[paper hare]

Make the wire on the wrecking ball invulnerable.

It's really lame to try to climb all the way up the crane just for it to be a coin flip for the whole device to be useless

[fleet trellis]

GAME SUGGESTION HERE

Make a 1v1v1v1v1 or 1v1v1v1 or 1v1v1, but we need to see a solo queu game ! A solo battleroyal, a solo chaotic boom boom money earning !

[unique nimbus]

Platinums should not be matchmade with diamonds. Fix it. Premade teams with lower rank shoudn't be matchmade with lower ranks, their best player is the lower ranked enemies that they should be facing otherwise one team.

Example. Preamte team a gold, platinum and diamond player. Guess what, all enemies are gold so the diamons ez carries whole game.

This is unfair, fix it.

[shut cosmos]

Nerf RPG to the ground. Heavy shouldn’t have the most health, the highest damage, and the most defense.

[keen beacon]

nerf throwing knives' multiplier it should not be this strong. i would rather get ass-blasted by a double barrel, because at least I would have a way of actually fighting back.

edit: so having a weapon with a headshot multiplier so strong it can almost completely one-shot me is not overpowered? compared to the other weapons? are you guys listening to yourself? there's actually no way you guys are this dense.

this guy did THIS much damage to me with a SINGLE click: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1087147257708679218/1248760678798331935/image.png?ex=6664d682&is=66638502&hm=3200a3d8fc0a22512213110e7fbccaa0369055403980957ecb176d0684342bdf&

how the fuck can you tell me with a straight face that "its not overpowered it doesnt need a nerf". either you're not playing the game or you're not paying attention. some of y'all just got bad takes

[oblique kite]

Just because its now playable its not oberpowered!

[woeful arch]

Another Powershift game where my team was stalled due to no one in the team having a jumppad or a zipline in their loadout. I had never witnessed these issues when queuing solo before because I mostly queued as Medium main with a jump pad in my loadout. The game mode can't be considered balanced if queuing solo means not having a way to reach a platform if the team hasn't talked before about who brings what and that'll never happen without at the very least a text chat when queuing solo 😕

[proven crown]

Please pair better team comps for soloQing, IE if three people have light selected as their contestant in the main menu, maybe don't pair three lights together? Not perfect but it would help a lot

[smoky gust]

It doesnt need to be overpowered to feel bad

Throwing knives kinda feel like pre-nerf sh1900 with more range and infinite ammo

They should at the least lower its damage back to 60 so you dont die in 2 hits
Just like how they did it to sh1900

[unique nimbus]

Matchmaking downwards should not be a thing. gold players should not have to play against diamond opponents just because a diamond is premade with a gold. HIS team should have the gold only play against diamond player that are his highest ranked players

[lavish shard]

Youpiiii trailer bew meta sword 🥳🥳

[keen beacon]

I'm pretty sure they're doing that, it's just that there's not enough players available within the rank range

that being said... plats should still match with diamonds... otherwise it's not really "progressing" is it. you can only prove you can be diamond if you beat a diamond

[night dune]

broo he was blocking bullets with the sword

[gritty umbra]

i ab lost it lol shits gonna be nutty

[lilac smelt]

Plz bring back solo bank it so I can start playing this game again.

[queen cloud]

terminal attack ranked 👎

[primal steeple]

yo why cant i unlock the different types of builds like light n heavy

[high tartan]

i'll just copy-paste what I mentioned previously to help with this question:
here's all the stickers listed https://thefinals.blog/stickers-the-finals/ there are a ton of inconsistencies in the designs which makes it recognizable that it's AI generated. Examples where it's super visible are: "Hoppy Easter" (check the ears for example), "Lil' Rusty" (generally the toes are super crooked and also general inconsistencies that make it visible that it's not drawn by a human) and "Goblin' up fate" where the torso looks very off, but also the dice is crooked and a lot of other smaller inconsistencies. I think most of the stickers that are available in-game (for actual money too) are AI generated which is an absolute bummer and super disrespectful towards all actual artists.

[quick coyote]

THANK U DEVS FOR ADDING JAPANESE STYLED WEAPONS AND MAP UR THE GREATEST WE LOVE U

[rough igloo]

Pls don't make ranked mode terminal attack. I don't play the finals for 5v5 csgo style gameplay

[sinful gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/facts-factos-gif-24924684

[analog bear]

Too late for this one

[unique wasp]

I really hope Terminal attack isn't the only ranked mode, yeah. I don't mind terminal attack but cashout tournament is by far the most fun gamemode IMO

[vernal swallow]

let’s god damn go 💯🔥🏆

really hoping they add more custom lobby customization next season 🏆🏆

@night dune I mean that’s basically the riot shield so hopefully it’s a light weapon and they don’t give both bullet blocking items to medium

[stray rampart]

If it is in ranked, make it a seperate ranked mode or something

[glossy parrot]

fr

[young hamlet]

Bring back 16 team ranked tourney, and bring back unranked tourney

[upper citrus]

Is terminal attack replacing the ranked mode??? that's awful

[cinder ridge]

real

[rapid stream]

Please don’t make terminal attack the main ranked mode

[flat bronze]

lol, terminal attack is the best mode for ranked

[raven isle]

Would be sad if Terminal attack is going to be the only ranked mode

[haughty mica]

make original game with original game mode then destroy ranked in s3 bringing s&d from hundreds of other games what a stupid idea gg

[coarse thunder]

yo

[violet elbow]

done with this game, you dont listen to your actual dedicated playerbase, season 3 is dead in the water

[short solstice]

If terminal attack replaces ranked I’ll probably quit.

[idle thistle]

fkin terminal attack

[glad ore]

Same -- terminal attack is not what I want when I load up the finals. If I wanted a tac shooter, I'd play a game actually designed to be one, like Valo, CS2, or even R6.

[stray ocean]

dude, what do you want them to do, delete the trailer or something? chill lol

[frail wave]

I love this game, I just dropped $1k on a new PC specifically to play this game but i don’t think I’m gonna play terminal attack ranked.

PLEASE. Cashout made the game unique

[nocturne flare]

If you don't understand what the controversy is about then don't even bother chiming in, your response adds absolutely nothing to the discussion

[proven crown]

The flames. Please fix the flames

[bleak coral]

THERMAL BORE — a new gadget for LIGHTS: a long-range, high-cooldown, tactical breaching gadget, that’s best used to breach walls, buildings, and other obstacles from a distance, to open up pathways or sightlines for you and your team. Perfect in combination with a long-range weapon!

they actually adding it for s3 LOL

[quick coyote]

Not lost of people seem to be liking the new ranked mode and it just doesn't seem really fitting for the game that you guys are going more ''casual'' for.
The ranked change also kinda removes the point of the whole name and point of the game... Reaching THE FINALS.
Please listen to some feedback since there's a large amount of the community that does not like Terminal Attack and the fact it's replacing the main ranked game mode.

terminal attack is not the core gamemode, it is not the finals, this is so insanely disrespectful towards the community and people who picked this game up for the actual genuinely interesting cashout mode, just for the game to become a snd tacfps ripoff a season later, genuine shame

Guys copy and paste it untill embark listens

[lean birch]

terminal attack is not the core gamemode, it is not the finals, this is so insanely disrespectful towards the community and people who picked this game up for the actual genuinely interesting cashout mode, just for the game to become a snd tacfps ripoff a season later, genuine shame

Guys copy and paste it untill embark listens

[neat yoke]

terminal attack is not the core gamemode, it is not the finals, this is so insanely disrespectful towards the community and people who picked this game up for the actual genuinely interesting cashout mode, just for the game to become a snd tacfps ripoff a season later, genuine shame

Guys copy and paste it untill embark listens

[dire lance]

If TA is the only ranked mode for season 3 you guys are going to lose your biggest streamers immediately. Maybe the data shows that Terminal Attack is popular, but it's not what people want as the only option for ranked. Offering it as an option for ranked is one thing, but if it's the only option you're going to lose a lot of players.

[lavish shard]

The finals in qp meta is TK and sword season 3 you add 2 new sword come on the finals is a shooter or rename your game for honor you kill your game 😔😔( ranked 🤦🤦)

[shadow stirrup]

The entirety of the light class is flawed. I know its an incredibly hard issue to fix, but it is simply the only class where you are disallowed from responding to some attacking you just cause of how low the time to kill it. Calm down Finals d-riders, I understand that Lights need a fast ttk because of how little health. BUT, they went WAAAAAYYYYYYY too overboard. The light class is garbage at the lower ranks and is an automatic win at the higher levels. It simply is not fun to play against because there is ZERO back and forth in a fight with a light. If they get they jump (and assuming no major mental handicaps), they win the battle every time. Yes, i have killed lights in 1v1s, but they likely had aforementioned mental handicaps

[stark venture]

WE WANT A JUKEBOX
But also an “extras mode” where we can look at an art gallery of sorts and behind the scenes stuff, in game

[lime fable]

Buff medium and light to be more in line with heavy please and thank u

[rain epoch]

In what world would making Terminal attack the ranked game mode be the move? Took the one unique feature this game had over any other shooter, its tournament ranked, and nuked it into the ground....

[plucky badger]

Please don’t remove tourneys

[peak wagon]

If the only ranked game mode is going to be terminal attack that’s gonna be a huge bummer

[carmine thistle]

Keep the consistency of when you hit the highest rank that’s the reward you earn at the end of the season

[valid cradle]

WHY would you swap TA and cashout for ranked????? Are you insane

[cunning warren]

Wtf are you doing? We dont want the fkng TA our new ranked, we wanna ranked like it is rn

[cold lotus]

Dude why would they make the ranked game mode terminal attack. Cash out is unique

[wise jolt]

i hope the new map is available on PowerShift

[jovial kernel]

I still don't think they are swapping out CashOut, I think they are just ADDING Terminal Attack to Ranked

[olive crown]

PLEASE DONT CHANGE THE RANKED MODE

[cyan ocean]

If we wanted TA as ranked we would just play R6. The spawns are too predictable for it to be a ranked mode

[restive crescent]

i did not expect cashout ranked to be completly removed, i was thinking there would be 2 rankeds now

[chrome citrus]

Don't change ranked mode or i quit when s2 ends

[fierce vault]

That's the same impression I got from the trailer. No idea why people think it's being swapped out

[lavish beacon]

Bro isn’t the game about REACHING THE FINALS it’s literally the name of the fuckin game. tf is this 5v5 bs taking over ranked for slow ass boring game mode dumbest shit ever😂 you mfs are clowns if this goes through

[shadow wedge]

the devs said so (pins in #⚡┇the-finals-chat ), cashout tournament is being moved to world tour

[sharp briar]

CAN...YOU...REACH...THE TERMNAL?! 🗣🗣🗣

Please don’t do this embark

[serene estuary]

The Terminals. New name leaked

[balmy pewter]

more cosmetic freedom like choosing if a glove goes on one hand or the other or both

[sacred siren]

Yo please tell me you guys made a typo and didnt actually make "Terminal Attack as the Ranked game mode." Playing TA to get the quests done was already torture, if you guys are delusional enough to think that people actually want it over ranked tournament, you're completely out of order.

Now I would understand if you added SBMM or a lite version ranked system to TA, that's acceptable, but if you guys are using it to replace ranked tournaments, please kindly fuck off.

If this "World Tour" game mode is less competitive/ranked than the current ranked tournament, you guys are completely off the deep end. You will be replacing your core fanbase with one that is going to play for a week, realise that the game they come from is more comfortable to them, and leave.

[keen path]

hello embark let me turn off taa please. PLEASE.

[worn spade]

Third season looks amazing, and now MnK support on consoles plssss

[ripe relic]

You guys are making a big mistake, and the Community managers censoring community members from voicing their opinions is a big mistake too. You have attracted the largest part of your community for the cashout gamemode, and deciding to change the entire established ranked system which you have setup in the past year and a half you are throwing away by doing this.
Embark you should seriously reconsider this decision, even though it is probably too late.

[queen birch]

Please take H1Z1 has a lesson and do not do mistakes like them, switching the main gamemode of the game will lead this game to the wall.

[clear hemlock]

World tour exists so no reason to complain

[rocky perch]

nah cashout is unique. this is cringe bro

[twin reef]

Depends on implementation. But most of my friend group who play competitive and are top500 are all outraged and said they won't play Terminal Attack.

[glacial oyster]

please can we have more body options for the heavy

i wanna make my heavy look like carlea1 whos a 6.8ft karate champion https://i2.paste.pics/R1YD7.png?rand=5Tth42J96k

[dull quarry]

[...] by introducing Terminal Attack as the Ranked game mode. [...]

Replacing the current ranked experience is not the move to keep the core audience you've built up over the past 2 seasons and betas of this game happy. If i want a 5v5 theres already popular shooters doing exactly that, i don't think we need another iteration of it. This completely takes away from the whole "REACH THE FINALS" thing you've guys used as the slogan of this game. If this turns out to be what you guys are actually going to do: shame.

[keen lily]

make a separate ranked queue for terminal attack then everyone is happy

[ancient cloud]

As a long-time fan of The Finals, I find the recent update to make Terminal Attack the main gamemode extremely disappointing. This decision is not just a deviation from the game's original vision but a complete betrayal of the community's trust. The Finals stood out in the crowded shooter market with its unique and genuinely interesting Cashout mode, which offered a refreshing alternative to the usual tactical FPS videogames.

By replacing Cashout with Terminal Attack, the developers have essentially turned The Finals into a generic knockoff of more popular games like CS:GO and Valorant. The Finals' gameplay mechanics and design were not built for that format, making Terminal Attack feel awkward and forced. This change strips the game of its originality and reduces it to a mere imitation of its competitors.

Moreover, this move is disrespectful to the dedicated players who invested their time and money into The Finals for its innovative gameplay. It's disheartening to see a game with such potential abandon its unique identity in favor of following industry trends. The community's outcry is not just about resistance to change; it's about preserving what made The Finals special in the first place.

In conclusion, the shift to Terminal Attack is a genuine shame. It undermines the game's strengths and alienates the very players who helped build its initial success. I sincerely hope the developers reconsider this direction and return to the roots that made The Finals a standout title in the first place.

[upper spear]

skul was right, cashout is the finals.

[quick coyote]

I think changing the ranked game mode from the very original concept of cashout (which built your player base), to a half-baked SnD LTM is one of the worst moves I have seen a developer pull in ages.

[native berry]

I kind of understand the outrage now

Some people seem excited for terminal attack in ranked but if you're replacing Cashout, the one mode that makes the game so iconic (and has been in use in ranked tournaments for two seasons), then Embark's committing a grave mistake

IDK how the hell did they come to this, either its an oopsie for them or a NEXON-influenced decision

[scarlet bluff]

Changing ranked to TA is such a poor choice.

[sharp herald]

Terminal Attack ranked is very exciting

[fallen ether]

making TA the ranked mode is not a good idea since cashout is what makes the finals... well the finals. like people are saying it'll feel too much like cs2 for example.

[timber sage]

I think both parties had to have a role in changing the core ranked experience. Nexon really had to get Embark to get more money into the game, Embark's probably hastily thought of moving the core ranked experience to TA
I think they could go back to Cashout in the future, but if the announcements are to be truly believed, it does seem like both parties are caving to pressure to attract players who don't really care to learn something new

[torpid sky]

So TA(a game mode most of the players don't like) will be the main ranked mode where u climb up the ranks from Bronze to Ruby, and cashout tournament will be just a tournament with a leadboard? Whoever came up with this needs to be fired fr

[worn horizon]

just make cashout ranked again and make another seasonal ranked mode like terminal and next time maybe powershift

[dull mesa]

"will you reach the finals???"

yeah but only in casual mode 😜

[shell elk]

i agree

[tame crag]

the biggest change I’m scared of is adding or replacing a heavy specialization. All three specializations are fun and interesting, with only one, the charge and slam, really being “strong”. If shield is removed heavy would lose a strong team ability, and if the goo gun was removed heavy would lose a large aspect of its creativity.

[marsh steeple]

Y’all need to shut up and look at the bright side man

[crystal storm]

as fun wacky weapons like swords/throwing daggers/sledge/bow or what ever are to use once in a while, please dont make them actually be good enough to rival guns. This game has such tight gun play with mag size and TTK's, it would be a shame to ruin it for meta of bad OW gameplay.

you (imo) already messed up with the fcar nerf, higher risk guns should have higher reward. Easy to use weapons should not have similar TTK to harder to use weapons.

[barren wyvern]

please keep cashout ranked as well.... if you keep them both youll keep everyone happy

[rare shell]

buff or rework dagger

[proper quarry]

World tours? I think clarifying that world tours are indeed just cashout tournaments would be exactly what is needed right nos

[tender minnow]

did the devs really say fuck you to all the ogs? ta is NOT what makes the finals what it is even tho its a cool mode. And really? another stun mechanic but for heavies that p much guarantees a kill? DID YOU EVEN LISTEN TO FEEDBACK?
No new guns just all melee? and another weapon that blocks bullets? whyyyyyyyyy?
I had so much hope but you just had to flip it all over and do all the opposites of what we wanted? I will try s3 but there's no hope and I cant support this game anymore. Only game where I got sweaty and tried hard but all good things must come to an end, I don't understand why you want it to be so water downed and casual this much.

[placid socket]

I don't get the people saying "just wait till you actually play the season". This is not like that. Embark has made the biggest decision so far since the release and made the main gamemode TA, we can see this without waiting til june 13. I don't want the finals to become just another CSGO/ Valorant type team shooter. That's the reason I was playing it in the first place. This is as if valve announced that CS2's ranked mode will now be a 8v8 deathmatch, or if fortnite announced that it's ranked mode will now be a lego survival game.

[wind summit]

I want to see how the world tour works. Really interested.

[rugged sluice]

Hearing terminal attack is gonna replace normal cash out for the ranked experience sucks. Haven't been this competitive in a game for a very long time and the unique flow the game mode provides keeps me coming back. Terminal attack, something that didn't even exist until a random event during S2, replacing current ranked feels so bad. I'm glad people can play it and enjoy it but that mode has always felt awful to play to many people, myself included. Was REALLY excited about the world tour stuff too.

[jade breach]

Revert or revise the change to Ranked play. This is The Finals, not The Terminal. Either have ranked mode operable between both modes or revert the change entirely before you alienate the core playerbase that plays because of the core gamemode.

[deep venture]

Hello yes I would like to file a COMPlaint

[charred geyser]

Please don't make terminal attack mandatory for ranked, I'm not a fan of the game mode, if I play the finals ranked I expect to be playing the finals and not r6.
I get that it's a competitive game mode in nature, but atleast give us a choice whether we want to play it or not.

[upper citrus]

RANKED IS TERMINAL ATTACK ONLY LOL

[dry sleet]

I dont mind Terminal Attack becoming the main consistent ranked mode IF The world tour mode truly is a seperate leaderboard/set of ranks all its own for cashout tournaments! this being said, my main concern is the mention of rotating loadout restrictions/rules, if you're touting world tour as the grand stage I'd like for there to be no loadout restrictions - let players play the way they want to play,

[fervent vortex]

As a long-time fan of The Finals, I find the recent update to make Terminal Attack the main gamemode extremely disappointing. This decision is not just a deviation from the game's original vision but a complete betrayal of the community's trust. The Finals stood out in the crowded shooter market with its unique and genuinely interesting Cashout mode, which offered a refreshing alternative to the usual tactical FPS videogames.

EMBARK LISTEN TO THIS GUY

By replacing Cashout with Terminal Attack, the developers have essentially turned The Finals into a generic knockoff of more popular games like CS:GO and Valorant. The Finals' gameplay mechanics and design were not built for that format, making Terminal Attack feel awkward and forced. This change strips the game of its originality and reduces it to a mere imitation of its competitors.

Moreover, this move is disrespectful to the dedicated players who invested their time and money into The Finals for its innovative gameplay. It's disheartening to see a game with such potential abandon its unique identity in favor of following industry trends. The community's outcry is not just about resistance to change; it's about preserving what made The Finals special in the first place.

In conclusion, the shift to Terminal Attack is a genuine shame. It undermines the game's strengths and alienates the very players who helped build its initial success. I sincerely hope the developers reconsider this direction and return to the roots that made The Finals a standout title in the first place.

[dreamy gull]

Hmmm, yeah I will agree with everyone outcry’s. The standard cashout ranked mode not being in S3 is going to be incredibly disappointing. Matter of fact, now that we know this, it IS already incredibly disappointing. That mode in ranked is the reason why I kept playing the game. PLEASE dont do us like this

[rain gust]

The only ranked game mode being Terminal Attack and not Cashout is far out of touch. Way, way, way out of touch.

Horrible play, Embark.

[quick lodge]

Remember all of the marketing they haven't been doing? Well now they can start and get COD, Siege, CS2 and Valorant players over with this new Ranked Search and Destroy mode. Complete disregard for the current fans

[gilded wigeon]

I will not play this game if Cashout Tournaments are not the primary ranked mode. It is exclusively the reason I play this game.

[sand holly]

I fell in love with the game for mostly one reason : The fantastic new type of gamemodes, i dont care about "classics" do if you want, but i aint here for that first
Terminal attack doesnt feel to be using the main core of the game, wich is, to me, that in a real game time (no a fast like terminal attack) the map slowly is more and more destroyed. In terminal attack, you may destroy a floor, or a wall, but it feels like you are not playing the gamemode associated with the game at first

Ifeel like the developing team slowly start to listen only to the content creator, partially beeing critical on "not having this or that" wich in my sense is abrupt and is not becoming what the game was trying to achieve.
As so, i feel like giving access to the servers before release shouldnt be only accessible ONLY for content creators. As i played closed beta one, closed beta two, open beta, and i am still highly hyped for this game, i dont understand this restriction.
(i will not even talk about the removal of litterally The Final in tournaments)
Best regards, Toxic.

[abstract pewter]

This is stupid

[half owl]

What a L game

[winter wing]

Game is going to die if they make terminal attack the go to ranked

[unique sequoia]

frl

[fast flare]

dont make ranked gamemode terminal attack -_- pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease

READ THIS CHAT ITS JUST PROOF OF HOW PEOPLE THINK - DONT DO THIS

https://chng.it/S4DMnqDb72 - Sign the petition to show the devs 👍

EDIT: dont do the pay thing plz idk what that is, just share it!!!!

[lime lichen]

Since the new theme is Japan give heavy the good ol' double sun treatment and nuke that class a few times. It could use a lot of nerfs

[somber axle]

BRING BACK THE TOURNAMENT BRUH

[crystal vigil]

This game is fucked now

[keen beacon]

yeah this game is cooked
im still going to give it a try. but you better do something fast. if i can't grind ranked like i have been for the last 2 seasons, i'm completely and absolutely done.

[frail prawn]

Not gonna lie, the new season in general looks fire, new gadgets, weapons, the map, the skins, etc...

But im also a Diamond player and making the Terminal mode THE ranked mode is a really bad move, its okay if you make terminal and cashout tournament both Ranked, even if both share the same rank but please do not take Tournament away from ranked, thats the most fun game mode, Terminal is not bad but its just too basic, its the basic gamemode you will have in any other fps game, its okay if it exist even as A ranked mode but not the only one since not everyone enjoy the slow playstyle

@tender minnow What stun mechanic?

[lavish shard]

I love the finals but the meta in QP is sword TK and is not fun and dev add 2 new melee weapon 🤦🤦 its a fucking shooter no for honor
and kill the ranked 🤦

[nimble umbra]

I dont know if the tutorial needs to be better or what but what is with the literal potato teammates in QP.

[vapid mason]

I might finally be able to play ranked in oceania now

[fickle raptor]

guys ik we will all miss the cashout tourneys(as a diamond)
but pls lets give it a try first

[deep egret]

gg wp, go next

[rose forge]

the finals is a good game!

[marsh musk]

they added roadhog hook oh no

[stark notch]

I have never met a single person that liked terminal illness attack.

'we are so grateful for your feedback and impressions. terminal attack is here to stay!'
only reason they kept the mode is so their time and resources aren't a waste for making such a bad mode lmfao.

they see their player count going red as each day goes by and this must be some hail mary attempt to keep the game afloat. this just shows they don't know how to improve the current ranking system...

[rotund rock]

People are being WAY too wild about this, giving ZERO benefit of the doubt. I have been a TA AND Cashout enjoyer, I dont understand this all or nothing mindset from the very loud complainers right now. Let Embark cook. The new season looks fire.

[spark drift]

What do you mean we already have. I didn't like it now it's replacing my favourite core mode

[scarlet cosmos]

It might fall on deaf ears but I'll say it anyway.

I don't think turning TA into ranked is the right move, as a lot of people didn't like the gamemode and would prefer to play the regular cashout mode, however if you do wish to be experimental, make it a rotating ranked gamemode between cashout and TA every week or two. This way people can enjoy what they actually want, and you guys get your data on the modes without putting too much strain on the servers for having two ranked gamemodes up at the same time.

Making a world tour for your prime gamemode with an extremely minor reward, is just not it. I don't see any reason why someone would play that Gamemode just to have some golden border if they won't play the game due to the forced new ranked gamemode.

[velvet spruce]

yall are a bunch of whiners jeez, calm your mf tits the season aint even out yet

[west geyser]

I feel like its very fun combo to play with hammer, but It looks a little like not for this game

[unique nimbus]

Well then it's not fair as that means first come first served. The people grinding out from plat to diamond on a brand new season have no one to "prove" to cause there is no diamond so they get diamond for free

[lusty chasm]

As a long-time fan of The Finals, I find the recent update to make Terminal Attack the main gamemode extremely disappointing. This decision is not just a deviation from the game's original vision but a complete betrayal of the community's trust. The Finals stood out in the crowded shooter market with its unique and genuinely interesting Cashout mode, which offered a refreshing alternative to the usual tactical FPS videogames.

By replacing Cashout with Terminal Attack, the developers have essentially turned The Finals into a generic knockoff of more popular games like CS:GO and Valorant. The Finals' gameplay mechanics and design were not built for that format, making Terminal Attack feel awkward and forced. This change strips the game of its originality and reduces it to a mere imitation of its competitors.

Moreover, this move is disrespectful to the dedicated players who invested their time and money into The Finals for its innovative gameplay. It's disheartening to see a game with such potential abandon its unique identity in favor of following industry trends. The community's outcry is not just about resistance to change; it's about preserving what made The Finals special in the first place.

In conclusion, the shift to Terminal Attack is a genuine shame. It undermines the game's strengths and alienates the very players who helped build its initial success. I sincerely hope the developers reconsider this direction and return to the roots that made The Finals a standout title in the first place.

[jagged wigeon]

Are they really changing the ranked mode to TA? the mode fucking sucks what are they doing...

[surreal meadow]

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EMBARK DEVS please convince whoever the proper people are to add the word "RANKED" to the tournament format, you have the entire community panicking thinking that ranked cashout is being removed when its solely being revamped. PLEASE SPECIFY ON A ANNOUNCEMENT POST OR SOME EQUIVILANT, GIVE WORLD TOUR RANK REWARDS, GIVE IT THE NAME "RANKED" PLEASE I LOVE THIS GAME PLEASE

_ _

this game was sold and loved on the gamemode & variations of cashout, please dont stray too far from it

[little pawn]

If u made power shift a ranked mode I will not say anything but Terminal Attack?

[static orchid]

TERMINAL ATTACK IS TRASH 🗣️ 🔥 🗣️ 🔥 🗣️ 🔥

[shut cosmos]

Terminal attack is fucking awful.

[raven isle]

Please dont make Terminal Attack the main ranked mode

[polar hill]

This game needs fsr 3.1 fg and dlss 3.7
I suggest updating the game engine to 5.4 in a future patch, as well as updating all available upscaling solutions to newer versions like DLSS to 3.7.0, XeSS to 1.3, and FSR to 3.1 (when that version gets released in the upcoming few weeks). UE 5.4 brings more optimizations which make the performance better and that should improve the general game experience for people in combination with the updated better upscalers. Also, add DirectStorage api to improve loading, there are times where all players are stuck to a loading screen for the match due to singular users with slower machines, and DiSto can eliminate/lower that.

[untold willow]

revert change now. I like playing the finals, not valorant at 1/2 the framerate

[gritty python]

Imagine only Terminal Attack this Game will be Dead asf.

[violet elbow]

terrible change, way to completely disregard and disrespect your core playerbase embark.

[zealous lark]

I dont know what you mean. The name is literally The Five Rounds (of TA)

[lean moon]

You're wrong. The name is The Attackers go Terminal

[stark nova]

cashout is what makes your game unique, years of work to just get replaced by 2000's search and destroy. someone has taken the wrong meds

[quick coyote]

making terminal mode the only ranked is crazy, i hope a mode like quick cash/cash out isn't suddenly removed too one day. those modes can be improved so much more, but still despite their flaws those modes represent the finals well. i'm worried about about the direction this game is heading into tbh

[subtle mortar]

I will just cry. I was looking for a good game to play with friends for months, finally found the finals 2 months ago. And now you tell me that you are making a CS clone of of this? My friends and me got to this game because it was new. And now i will have to search for a replacement again.

[mortal flame]

Please add more color variants for the “Incognito Mode” headwear, yellow is nice but variety would be bette, please and thanks.

[hearty bough]

Terminal attack ranked is a huge mistake - AT LEAST make both game modes ranked with separate progressions

[slow zenith]

bring back the finals...

[silk surge]

By leaving only terminal attack for a ranked game, you kill the meaning of the game and its distinctive qualities

[night gyro]

hope the ll remove terminal attack

[river plover]

Joined to reachs The Finals, stayed to...
uhh idk no reason to stay bye peeps

[valid cradle]

it was fun while it lasted.... GGs y'all! Embark really cooked themselves with this ranked change

[stark remnant]

Where does it say cashout ranked is being replaced? It just says new ranked mode. Overwatch has multiple ranked modes for example. Seasons are really long too. Makes sense to have both modes in ranked. There's no way they removed cashout. People are making random and dumb conclusions if you ask me. Looks like a massive W from Embark

[cedar haven]

womp womp

[snow quiver]

I'd like to make sure that I am not here to bash some hammer on people rn. I'll give my stands and opinions on the idea of TA as a ranked mode.

Let's be real with ourselves, there is a reason why cashout isn't viable. TA is meant to be a more cometitive gamemode. Cashout, albeit different, is a lot more difficult to balance and play competitively (see all the main guys playing ranked have the same loadout, class and such). With TA being a lot more thoughful, it is a better ranked.

But I won't beat around the bush and say it HAS to be the ranked mode. I don't think it is the correct option going forward making this gamode the permanent ranked. Afterall, The finals was supposed to be different from other fps shooter, not be a clone of others. Making this change is very risky, trying to kill off the present fanbase for people who Might come. Hopefully we can handle this change and maybe u thought this through.

This is my opinion. Hopefully the devs see this and think this through one last time. As for all the other communitiy people who are watching, please calm down. We all love the game but doing this isn't the path. We must stop and talk in a constructive way, not be aggresive and make irreparable damage to this game. Think carefully before u do anything, because once u do anything, u will cause damage. Damage that everyone, including u all will regret later.

[foggy dragon]

If they wanted to make terminal attack a prominent or even a main game mode they should have made the limited mode and especially it's reward way bigger. To actually draw people in and REALLY get used to it, not play 10 games that are super random, get the rewards, and leaving the game mode again.
ALL THE REST LOOKS AWESOME THOUGH XOXO

[noble condor]

EMBARK! Hey!

If its been a crazy developent period and you all have forgot what your core pillars of attraction to this game are let me remind you...

Sandbox

Level Design and Archetcture

Multi Team Combat

[wind moat]

Well said! I am a day 1 player, diamond 1 every season, previously top 100. I refuse to play terminal attack and will probably stop playing if the change in ranked goes through. My teammates feel the same. Super disappointed

[torpid sky]

@pearl kiln sorry for the mention but why don't u guys just put TA in that world tour and leave cashout as the main ranked mode? I don't want to climb the ranks in S&D game mode FFS I'm here to play THE FINALS not csgo/valorent

[vocal cave]

Terminal Attack is a cheap knockoff of other games, theres no reason for it to be the core game mode when theres so many better SnD options out. The maps weren't built for it, the classes don't work with gadgets being one time use. Also a giant spit in the face to the core playerbase. If I'm going to be playing SnD it sure as hell won't be on the finals

[timber sage]

My feedback as a pubs main:

Firstly, great Harajuku drip, and I'm looking forward to trying out the bow.

Now to the tea that's been spilled lately:

I'm not as affected by the decisions to change the core ranked mode, and I admit I may be willing to try it out. However, having heard the incredibly hostile reactions to the ranked mode changes, this does leave me concerned with regards to player retention and the longevity of this game in general.

I already don't like that for FPS, most of the alternatives to Counter Strike and Valorant are Call of Duty (with a nauseating catalog of releases that may as well all be inactive because of 20 years of annual titles), or battle royales and extraction shooters (which I dislike for its incredibly punishing nature due to death being game over, even more so when realism isn't an intended creative constraint for those games).

Even for Counter Strike and Valorant, I strongly dislike how strongly gendered the character designs are, and I really support The Finals for offering character customization that bucks that trend in character design for FPS (thank you for this Embark ❤️ 🧡 💛 💚 💙 💜) - unlike Apex Legends, I also support The Finals in making the non-ranked game modes as equally as fun, fleshed out and permanent (e.g. Power Shift) as the ranked game mode has been.

The devs will have to act wisely and quickly to the extremely hostile reaction to the changes for ranked, and without a fair solution, this will backfire greatly on their (and Nexon's) problem with player retention and revenue for this game.

Ultimately, I want The Finals to force the FPS market to change, not be further drowned in it. I still want "go back to CoD" to be as obsolete as the phrase "motor car" is in the English language. Please do not mess this up.

[sacred siren]

unique gamemode >> half-baked, ape'd, unoriginal garbage that doesnt even fit into the game properly (no heals? no defibs? short cd gadgets have no advantage?)

[candid apex]

The decision to make Terminal Attack the main ranked mode is atrocious. I will not be playing ranked if that is the case, and I suspect none of the friends I managed to convince to take this game seriously will as well.

[swift latch]

thank you !!!

[naive hound]

Can someone point me in the direction of where it says TA will be the primary mode? I cant seem to find it anywhere

[dull mesa]

the maps aren't even built with TA in mind. It's a half-assed gamemode as it is currently and I don't see the point in making it THE ranked mode. It doesn't even fit the theme, nor the title, nor the slogan of the game.

"will you reach the finals?" yeah lol

It also completely ditches the respawn coin mechanic and all the dynamics concerning respawning and team wipes. You know, the things that make this game unique?

Very bad decision imo.

[dreamy nebula]

The "Terminal Attack" mode should not be rated... This is not a bad mode for "quick play", it is tactical, requires concentration, composure and jewelry actions. However, it doesn’t have all that frantic dynamics and excitement, which is why I love this game.
In the "Cash out" mode, your pulse rises, your blood boils, you really feel like you are a participant in a major show, in which not just victory is at stake, but a big win and the public's aviation!!!

P.S.
Don't turn The Finals into a standard team shooter. In the "Great and Large VR Show" there is no need for shootouts in a couple of seconds like in "Terminal Attack". It should have frantic and protracted shootouts, lasting minutes, for the sake of money and fame!!!!

[open island]

embark oscar clarified it about 10 minutes ago in #⚡┇the-finals-chat

[smoky oyster]

I believe Embark team made a great game, and have no clue why it doesn't attract players.

But the reason why is not the game mode, quite the opposite.

The current player base will shrink to non-existent with this change, and fresh players won't jump from high tickrate reflex fps with potato requirements like Valorant to demanding Finals, no matter the marketing

[red narwhal]

Nope embark employee confirmed it in another chat

[near ice]

I know I'm in the minority but I am excited about Terminal Attack being the new ranked mode. One life and no heals just feels more fair in itself.

I feel ranked matches will go faster and folk will rise through them faster which is a win win right?

[copper remnant]

#⚡┇the-finals-chat message also gl frost

[upper citrus]

What if we built up the core audience and then executed them all no russian style with the worst competitive change you've ever seen to any game in your life

[serene estuary]

sound like a smart idea

[sterile forum]

REMOVE MINES FROM HEAVY
REMOVE MINES FROM HEAVY
REMOVE MINES FROM HEAVY
REMOVE MINES FROM HEAVY
REMOVE MINES FROM HEAVY

[tender minnow]

this update was so close to being great but you just had to fk over the hardcore community and ppl who grinded so hard top be in top 100 etc.
TA is not what makes the finals what it is at all, the cashout mode is sooo much more and such a unique take on fps and has way more nuances than fkn attack and defend thats in every single game. It makes absolutely no sense to have this as a change...

[barren wyvern]

#keepbothmodesinranked

[hexed flicker]

Already dreading the heavy spec that CCs and stuns. Thought they realized CC isn't fun when they finally nerfed stun gun. This combined with TA being the ONLY ranked mode which I never really liked or played, I genuinely don't think it's worth playing next season for me. Also... More melee weapons? Stop. Just stop.

[dusty halo]

dont donate

https://www.change.org/p/keep-the-finals-ranked-gamemode-as-the-cashout-tournament?recruiter=1340807215&recruited_by_id=782ad210-2523-11ef-927d-0111b226858a&utm_source=share_petition&utm_campaign=petition_dashboard&utm_medium=copylink

[rotund tapir]

embark please make cashout the ranked gamemode again and make terminal attack the world tour thing

[quick coyote]

Maybe they will have both ranked mods

[iron current]

Why couldn’t they just pull a Splatoon and have TA and Cashout rotate so often

[quick coyote]

Embark - The finals is not Counter-Strike

[glad laurel]

https://chng.it/hKpbTs4zBQ

[static pilot]

why cant they make it like rocket league and have multiple game modes for the rank scene

[void rapids]

If it’s true that Embark decided to REPLACE Ranked Cashout with Terminal Attack instead of ADD it as another existing ranked format, Embark won’t be seeing another dime from me.
Cashout is a fun, innovative, and thrilling format. TA is just Search and Destroy except worse because the game or its maps are not tuned for such a game mode.
I hope the public outrage over this makes them come to their senses in the week before launch. It’s not too late before they make one of the biggest blunders of all time.

[jade breach]

The core gamemode and structure of The Finals is called Cashout, a 3v3v3(v3) royale that remixes elements of Battlefield's Rush mode into a fresh, chaotic and original gem in the era of somewhat stale competitive shooters. Every gameplay elements from class design to map design was created specifically for this gamemode for the beginning. There have been variants here and there and an original separate 5v5 mode (Power Shift) added for people that wanted larger lobbies. For seasons 1 and 2 Cashout has served as a ranked ladder tournament mode with 4 (reduced to 3 in season 2) rounds, where you reach THE FINALS and earn ranks, rewards and leaderboard placement.

Terminal attack is a 5v5 seasonal event mode introduced Season 2 that strips many elements of Cashout away in favor of Search and Destroy gameplay. The Finals already struggled with population from the get-go due to graphical demands and teamplay requirements, and Terminal Attack did not in any way boost player numbers or serve a higher function for most core players other than "the place to get timed event cosmetics".

They're making it the ranked mode for Season 3 and pushing Cashout Tournaments, the gamemode of which every. single. gameplay. element was designed around into a separate, non-ranked queue with different weekly events (locked loadouts, map rotations and variants, etc.) and rewards, which would be fine if they were not stripping away the core Tournament mode. This is a horrendous decision and should be reverted/reworked as soon as possible.

This is trend chasing at its worst, and in this moment Embark Studios needs tough love to come to their senses.

[bleak coral]

skill issue now we gonna get an actual competitive mode so top 100 will actually be better at the game xD

[smoky gust]

i think TA might fit casual better

obviously would need to try first but im a bit skeptical

[quartz shell]

just make the ranked TA more frenetic and cooler

[rotund rock]

There will still be cashout tournament ranked... what are people wilding about, it wont be JUST TA, just stop the misinformation

[short solstice]

It was the correct reaction

[marsh halo]

The right perspective to have, may work may not, we'll see how it plays.

Rotating the gamemodes would be ideal too.

[waxen hornet]

the bot nuked my message so i rephrase it

terminal attack as ranked only not good
cause siege experience
if you die team left to 4 complete geniuses who dont know what to do especially in solo q

cashout tournament good cause i can respawn to mitigate incompetence and only two other people

prefer both to be ranked options but if its what it implies im dodging ranked for the season till tournament returns cause i didnt grind to plat 4 solo mostly running light for nothing

[half owl]

Make TA better, just make this shit to 13 rounds is sucks. believing you. Bring back 20M live player.

[red arch]

2 ranked modes would be nice, compare player base or rotate through season, idk

[green hornet]

Its not as fun as cashout bruh istg

[sharp lily]

Bro the reason I got into the game was cashout. Will actually be heartbroken if there isn't any ranked cashout

[misty dust]

I see why the change was made, but ultimately it fails at what it's trying to accomplish.

The main problems for the devs currently were the fact that people wanted a ranked Terminal Attack mode, while at the same time wanting Unranked Tournament to return.

The issue with this is the amount of different modes will split the community massively and increase queue times, so some stuff has to go.

Their solution is then to create a Ranked gamemode for Terminal Attack and replace the Ranked Cashout mode with a "World Tour" as a pseudo story mode to keep the feel of being a contestant competing to reach THE FINALS.

The goal to create less division between the players ultimately fails, however, as it divides the players further and it's a change people don't want.

[rugged sluice]

Bronze to gold for cash out only, meanwhile ruby and diamond for terminal attack only?? That's insane, you can't tell me there's more strategy to TA than cash out tank wise

[minor plover]

Fr

[vast quiver]

I don't care if cashout tournaments are no longer the "ranked" mode as far as skin rewards go, but having the world tour leaderboard based on cash total and number of tournament wins instead of skill-based ranking leaves cashout players – the core playerbase – without a mode that rates their performance. We need something where badge progression is based on skill rather than just playing more.

[echo viper]

terminal attack ultimately isn't the identity of the finals, turning it into the sole ranked mode is a massive mistake and shouldn't even be thought about

[raven finch]

When will text chat exist

[molten trail]

terminal attack for ranked is a big NAH

[glass fjord]

You cannot be seriously thinking about changing ranked to terminal attack? You are speedrunning the death of your game by removing the only thing that made the finals so refreshing to play, unique fast paced gameplay with close knit squads. Terminal attack is slow, ancient gameplay (counter strike came out over 20 years ago), and boring. Its not centered around social groups, as its nearly impossible to get a 5 stack team together on a regular basis. This is going to be awful pug shit fests, and absolutely brutal to progress at top ranks. I honestly don't understand how you guys come up with such awful decisions about where to take this game. Its like you don't even play your own game, or listen to literally any kind of majority in the community.

Lets take one of the most common complaints in the server since cb1 for example. People leaving early. Everyone hates it. With that in mind, youre making a mode with 5 players, a much higher chance of someone disconnecting and ruining the match, and making it the most important part of the competitive game play. Where's the logic in that?

I hope everyone's ready for 5 stacks of heavies, unless balancing gets real different real quick.

[narrow plover]

@near cosmos I know you probably got the message by now, but please do what you can to fix this. Love this game. Thank you for all you do.

[edgy urchin]

nerf kunai
most annoying weapon in the game while someone teleporting around

[coral ibex]

Yeah terminal attack is literally just a boring csgo remake. Cashout was unique and fun

[rugged temple]

Cashout is literally what makes the finals unique. TA is just another tac shooter. Keep terminal attack but dont make it the ranked gamemode.,

[astral dune]

I absolutely hate Terminal Attack. This game is fun specifically because of Cashout.

[glacial knot]

The only way to save this game is, that embark change the devs. They are ex dice devs and dice fired them because they are bad @mild gull ask yourself why dice fired them ? Idiot

[mild gull]

you are an idiot

[violet elbow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/856827759179071488/1248790940060225638/attachment.gif

[wind briar]

the season 3 looks nice! its a shame that you guys don't listen to the community and for that reason you don't reach more than 15k concurrent players
la temporada 3 se ve muy buena! lastima que no pasan de los 13k jugadores concurrentes por no escuchar a la comunidad y en vez de arreglar el juego solo sacar mas y mas contenido 😦

[mild bridge]

Lol yall are so whiney. We don't even know what the official release will look like. There is still weekly tournaments that we have no information on. That may be cashout.

[pseudo jetty]

Who asked for terminal attack to replace cashout as the ranked mode? Cause like, what? Embark, you guys have a fantastic game but oh my god do you make some of the dumbest decisions sometimes. At least poll the community first or something?

[nimble mango]

hi, please, please do not change the tournament to terminal attack for ranked, that needs to stay a casual mode

[stark remnant]

I am literally crying right now. I had trust in CD Projekt Red and Embark, the very few good companies, and both fucked us so bad. Just why? Like is any actual human responsible for that decision? Who thought this was a good idea? WHY JUST WHY

[graceful hollow]

sweated my ass off in ranked for diamond and played 1 single terminal attack game throughout all of season 2... nice change

[drowsy vector]

Lol please tell me it’s not real? If terminal attack is the only ranked mode I don’t even know if I keep playing this game. I didn’t like that mode at all, and ranked is all I play. If this is true, this could be the end of the game. Wow, did not expect such a weird decision (again, if true)

[noble condor]

EMBARK! Hey!

With Love,

If its been a crazy development period and the investors have gotten you too far down a rabbit hole and you all have forgot what your core pillars of attraction to this game are let me remind you...

Sandbox

This game has a beautiful harmony between classes gadgets weapons strategy outplay destruction risk vs reward decisions underdog stories

Terminal attack may seem cool but it hurts the sandbox by removing Classes, Gadgets, Strategy, Outplay, Risk vs Reward and everyone favorite comeback underdog story

Level Design and Architecture

Good job nothing needs to change here Terminal attack has No effect on this core Pillar of the game you are safe here this is because the map design and game flow is designed with Cash out in mind, dont be afraid stand by your product we are here to back you up you did good. you just need to show people why its good not ditch the idea all together

Multi Team Combat

Terminal attack is 2 teams with no breaks in-between matches its going to take a 40 minutes no matter what compared to a 10-30 minute commitment completely different pattern and game which is going to force every competitive player to change their team change their patterns all a chore that leaving your game would just make a lot more sense,

Furthermore once removed you have eliminated your one thing that makes you unique in the market which is your competitive multi team offering

Id also like to remind you about your fantastic tournament format and coin system which makes every life and respawn matter in each game

This decision is like going to the entire Football club and told them they were all going to have to play Baseball.

Naturally the players are going to say this is not what I signed up for and leave the league.

Thank you for your time ❤️

[crude saffron]

Terminal Attack as the main ranked mode was not it chief. try again

[lapis oriole]

TA would fit if it completely assembles the CS/Valorant classic gamemode, meaning unique mechanics and things like economy (usable cash to buy equipment), only medium, universal weapons, and extremes like limited ammo and damage adjustments

Not for ranked right now and probably never

Guess we'll have to wait what they cooked and judge from there

[merry prism]

I love everything about this update... except terminal attack as the ranked mode. It's a fun mode sure, and i'd absolutely love to see it pop up in rotation every once in awhile, but I like the finals for cashout and bank it, and the finals exclusive game modes, please don't remove that from ranked.

[glad vapor]

Changing the ranked gamemode after two seasons is really kinda weird and makes you look like you don't know what you're doing.

[celest cairn]

Shrimply swap the terminal attack to the weekly world tour you had in mind for the original cashout we know. And keep the cashout as normal ranked. That way you would still have best of both worlds without changing the games chore mechanics.

[candid flower]

Medium grenade launcher is insane against lights

[alpine rain]

swap world tour with terminal attack and bring cash out to the main mode and its perfect

[earnest fossil]

Embark... if you choice to only look at Discord instead of looking at reddit... well, you know what? That's on you.

But I will say makign TA the ONLY ranked is a stupid decision.

[dense imp]

https://chng.it/9rcNV7Z8Sc

[copper lily]

NOBODY likes and needs CSGO gamemode in The Finals

[swift latch]

💯

[thin beacon]

Excited for Terminal Attack in ranked. I’ll finally play ranked now.l

[viral quiver]

me and my friends love terminal attack

[upper citrus]

If you suggested to “make terminal attack the main ranked mode” you literally would have been laughed at. How did this decision ever pass through any planning or meetings???

[quick coyote]

for heavy build btw

[outer dragon]

why have coins on death, on terminal just add ragdoll at this point

[candid apex]

Make TA limited time again.

[lean moon]

might aswell change the terminal to a fucking bomb site

[thorn igloo]

Embark really doing everything in their power to kill their game, good shit. Can't wait for ranked power-shift next 🔥 🔥 💯

[wind moat]

Will quit if Terminal Attack is ranked

[night gyro]

Yea

[worn arch]

shut the f u ck up

[ruby lance]

Didn't want my first game feedback to be negative but here we are. I played TA event for a while and I gotta say that this gamemode is undercooked and looks more like a Walmart Great Value Bomb gamemode from R6Siege. It needs to be rewoked from top to bottom before even thinking to put it as a replacement for ranked. It needs to feel and play like a The Finals gamemode.

[grave solstice]

i was so excited to grind ranked for season 3 but TA as the new ranked completely killed off my hype for the new season

[shell steppe]

TBH I really had high hopes Terminal Attack will be embeded into Ranked tournament as the final round after Knock out rounds.

So:
Knockout round 1 =3vs3vs3vs3 Cashout
Knockout round 2 =3vs3vs3vs3 Cashout
The Final round = Terminal attack (3v3 - best of 7)

Would be the best of both worlds.

[idle charm]

Do we have 100% confirmation that TA is replacing cash out

[winter wing]

Yes. We all must riot

[clear hemlock]

Actually good take

[median ibex]

This the only option

[iron bough]

Get that tiny a** OVER HERE!!!

[whole palm]

I can see Im not only one, there are a lot of people who want cashout RANKED to stay, but ITS EMBARK guys even if they remove completly cashout as ranked for SEASON 3 gamemode they will see that community want cashout ranked so they will probably do something. BUT in trailer it says NEW RANKED MODE so its probably gonna be tab like with casual gamemodes for RANKED and you will choose from different ranked gamemodes. What you guys think?

[hollow dove]

TA as ranked mode is a terrible decision Embark. Embrace the chaos and team work of the finals, not make a CS clone with the finals makeover.

[sudden stump]

Not 100% could be a copy mistake but the announcement did say

“Starting in Season 3, THE FINALS will emphasize a more tactical and competitive experience by introducing Terminal Attack as the Ranked game mode”

Unless there’s a more solid confirmation

[fierce vault]

TA should not be the primary ranked mode. With the ranked rewards attached to it. This game was built around and is unique due to the cash out game mode not a new ltm search and destroy mode. I really hope that embark hears this feedback from there "core community (us guys)" and reverts this dession

[bright zodiac]

W take

[obsidian hull]

I hope they see the feedback and go back on their decision

[spark drift]

Yes and I am sad about it. My love for the game is going to die.

[drowsy cargo]

this would be sick actually

[dreamy junco]

Please don’t put TA as the new one and only ranked mode… the freedom of cash out is what made this game unique!

[raven isle]

I really like the Finals. But WTF Embark

[young smelt]

The new map looks phenomenal. Terminal attack should not be ranked. Has nothing to do with the branding of this game.

[half owl]

😭 Steam review bomb is already starting....
😭 Give positive pls

[cedar walrus]

It’s better to have an attack terminal in a permanent tournament than an unbalanced cashout

[short canopy]

my entire friends group is going to quit playing the game if they make TA the only ranked mode, the group chat is going crazy

[surreal meadow]

heavy jumpscare

[pine flower]

Yes, for the love of God just synthesize the modes a bit. Do not switched ranked to just Terminal Attack. That mode is okay, but will never compete with CS or other tactical games. You got some hype from it when it launched but you WILL isolate your core players by moving you flagship mode to a copy/paste bomb mode. If this is a misunderstand ya’ll need to get ahead of it because the train is leaving the station.

You have a solid community that really loves what you have.

@near cosmos @grizzled forum @whole umbra @frozen solstice
@aleksandra.jovanovic#0000 @peak nacelle @dense gulch @dusty zodiac @acoustic ibex @split laurel

[fringe gazelle]

i think they should have two seperate ranked modes if they want to do that. That way both parties can be happy

[grave coral]

who tf asked for a terminal attack ranked

[timber sage]

I think the build system was the core problem for this game. Embark did not seem to know how to balance it without making at least a bunch of Light or Heavy mains angry at anything that was done at all.
The biggest complaints over ranked cashout was simply how Light was useless for any form of team play, owing to either the kill-hunting prioritization of ranked Light mains, how squishy they are and/or both.
Not having the build system in place from the start would have saved ranked cashout.

[foggy orbit]

I thought this game was called THE FINALS and was about reaching the final round, not THE TERMINAL ATTACK.

[celest berry]

All game mechanics are tested since CB1 and designed for the current ranked mode and changing the core gameplay is like a kick into the communitys face

[tulip flume]

Ranked cash out is the entire reason I play and love this game…. if I wanted to play a defuse game mode I’d go back to csgo. Really hope you all rethink this

[quick coyote]

Ex dice developers - doesn't that sound familiar to your ears?
The Finals is not CS. They can't change the game from dynamic to static.
Embark is the opposite of Valve - they don't fucking listen to the feedback at all - unless the cosmetic is broken -, they just do whatever they like to do

Contrary to the vocal opinion, I think it will be interesting to have a different mode as competitive. I feel like terminal attack might need a feel modifications though.

I think switching between different modes every couple seasons will give a great variety to the ranked gameplay and allow different types of players to get into ranked.

I really feel like the vocal majority has been getting too much say in the game direction. Barrel nukes did not need to be removed only slightly nerfed, APS' were fine as they were, and heavy's need to be buffed in specific areas more than they need to be nerfed. I don't want a mindless point and click shooter with little creative freedom and aiming and weapon meta's.

Probably get a lot of people mad at me but don't care. Most people complaining about this change are not game designers or actual game developers. You should wait to test changes before complaining about them.

[exotic gate]

can yall actually start working on the optimization please. thanks

[glass fjord]

This is the way. Make weekly tournaments TA or rotate game modes between bank it, TA, and power shift. Let them get you up to gold (maybe solo q would actually be enjoyable?) then cashout for diamond/ruby.

[jagged cedar]

ignoring the gazillion other issues, ranked terminal attack would completely through off the balancing for all other gamemodes

[still yoke]

Delete sniper form all modes except cashout and quick cash

[solid storm]

https://chng.it/sZnY7zLZst

[fiery umbra]

I don’t understand why everyone is freaking out. There is no confirmation that they are replacing CO with TA in ranked. The way I read the announcement, it says they are adding TA to ranked, not making jt the only one.

(I take it back)

[coral tundra]

oscar confirmed it

[drowsy vector]

The only thing that was needed was a better system for gaining/losing RP, not delete the entire ranked mode. I just can’t believe this is true. Yeah, I’m definitely out if it is, sad to have to say this…Guess I’ll go back to Apex or something else. RIP

[nova wraith]

Yeah, really sad. I was in denial thinking it was gonna be both TA and Cashout. Nope, jus straight TA

[stark remnant]

CANCEL TERMINAL ATTACK AS THE ONLY RANKED MODE
MAKE IT ANOTHER RANKED QUEUE WITH A SEPARATE RANK OR KEEP CASHOUT AS THE ONLY MODE

Please don't kill the game we all love, listen to your core players, not low elo loud minorities on social medias
We put money in this game for what it is, we welcome change but don't change the game's main and ranked mode, this makes NO SENSE AT ALL

[merry prism]

The finals is a great game, Embark please-

[molten trail]

Rip the finals in the bin gg

[sturdy ginkgo]

I'm going to say this now, terminal attack as the ONLY ranked mode will KILL this game.
I strictly play RANKED and I adore the cashout mode.

It was fun while it lasted.

[rotund rock]

That's already the case. There is a lot of misinformation out there. There will be two ranked tracks for each mode. Different rewards and tiers for both.

[long atlas]

😭 Steam review bomb is already starting....
😭 Keep going pls

[rocky coyote]

This will be the point we'll get to see how far the Devs will go listening to the community. I guess we'll wait and see guys!

[sharp lily]

There is no reason to review bomb yet.... we don't even know if TA will be the only ranked mode.....

[dreamy gull]

Terminal Attack being the ONLY ranked mode is going to make me not want to play the game. PLEASE don’t do this to us.

[unique sinew]

The best way to save this now is three ways.

1. Remove Terminal and revert it back to Cashout

2. Make both of them ranked modes like how Multiplayer and Warzone are both ranked in cod.

3. Explain to us how world tour works in relation to ranked modes.

[leaden python]

I want to play ranked finals not ranked cs...

[violet elbow]

leaving this here.
this game isnt call of duty
why cant the finals be the finals?

[quaint ember]

What the fuck, I want to play the finals... not counterstrike ffs.
Just make casual TA into it's own ranked mode, why would you ruin regular ranked? fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck im so pissed.

[thorn igloo]

my fault bozo, didn't mean to offend the terminal attack god over here. Can't wait to finally see you on a leaderboard bro ! Enjoy your walmart CS:GO !!11!! XDD You and the 10 other people who enjoy the mode are gonna go off ! 🔥

[lament prism]

Guys lets give it a try, I thinks these changes are ok

[sage sapphire]

This is exactly how I feel. I have over 950 hours in the first 2 seasons. 75 percent of that was ranked tournaments. All of that practice turns out to be for nothing. I absolutely love the amount of different play styles that are viable in the current ranked mode. I like terminal attack as well, but there is no where near as many options. Ranked cash out was truly a form of expression for me with the creativity that you use to develop your own winning play style, and I am very hurt to have lost this part of myself.

[cedar bramble]

why change the main ranked mode to something the finals is not build on?

[lavish shard]

The meta rn on QP is sword TK i very scared whit 2 new melee weapon the game become hack and slash

[valid prism]

What other thing is everyone going to complain about once they give in and bring the perfect and not at all flawed cashout mode back?

[vast tundra]

Login failed due to a service interruption, please try again later.
What can i do for this

[sudden stump]

I think we have to just wait and see what the changes entail. The premise is a game show and it sounds like World Tours will be similar to typical ranked, but with more of the gameshow aspect. They were responding about it earlier in #⚡┇the-finals-chat The fact that people are negatively reviewing a game they like for an announcement they don't even fully know about yet is wild

[river perch]

I don't understand why they backed out on the gamemode that personified The Finals' identity, it doesn't make sense

[lilac pelican]

I do not understand why did we remove the original ranked mode? Why did we change it to terminal attack? The original ranked is what made this game unique,
This is what made it different from other competitive games.

Now its literally CSGO & Valorant game style which is overly used in modern games. The original mode made Finals Unique?

Terminal Attack should be a seperate mode w/ a different ranking system with its own rewards.
Cashout needs to stay to keep this game unique and keep the same reward system.

Why not keep reviewing and adjusting things that are needed to be balanced. This looks like you guys gave up completely.
The mode isn't even balanced at all for a competitive ranked system.

Medium/Light are OP in that mode, Mediums have thier quirks, but come on!?

[night gyro]

This shi ain't funny
Even if they change it back, you ll forget about that comment
remove it gang, i think they heard us

[fair pendant]

has it even been confirmed itll be the "only" ranked mode or is it just an addition and everyone is crying over nothing?

[spark drift]

I'm sure people already gave TA a 'try' when it was a temporary mode.

[buoyant drift]

I think there is a cashout and TA rankeds

[frank ruin]

Yeah it sucks.

[upper citrus]

Guys don’t worry! Cashout is still here!! Until it isn’t!! Also it’s locked loadouts and the same map for a week at a time!!

[rough stump]

they dont like what they know already about the changes and complaining about current state of information and judging by already announced information there will be no other changes that could calm the complaining half of the players...

[winter wing]

I think I’m just going to pick up an opiate habit if terminal attack is the ranked game mode.

[proven parcel]

Where my TA enjoyers @?

[weak swift]

Add big booba

[solar cairn]

Yeah I REALLY hope they reconsider TA as the perm ranked mode

[vast quiver]

#⚡┇the-finals-chat message

[fervent vortex]

If the bombing succeeds they will go back, their big tournament was going to be TA and enough yelling from comp made them swap, review bomb the ever living shit out of this game, not out of hoping it dies but hoping it lives

[spice crescent]

Terminal Attack always felt so soulless and unengaging. Cashout is the heart of The Finals. It's so sad to see them abandoning it and putting the spotlight on the half-baked Counter-Strike ripoff. It's a big middle finger to support medium mains (which I am, and is the reason why I never liked Terminal Attack).

[dusty halo]

world tour has its own ranking system from bronze to gold

TA is replacing the OG ranking system that was in cash out with bronze to diamond (ruby) alongside the ranked rewards you would normally obtain

[shell steppe]

I really had high hopes Terminal Attack will be embedded into Ranked tournament as the final round after Knock out rounds.

So here is some feedback:
Knockout round 1 =3vs3vs3vs3 Cashout
Knockout round 2 =3vs3vs3vs3 Cashout
The Final round = Terminal attack (3v3 - best of 7)

Would be the best of both worlds.

S3 will be fire🔥

[whole palm]

i cant send image so here is my negative review: *edit

Ebark we need the finals as ranked game mode, you did great game why would try to be something else, you can put simply 2 ranked modes like casual playlist to have ranked playlist its win win for all, gonna change back to positive after I hear good news, Embark you wont disapoint I know you will listen to us.Im just doing what I have to so you will notice us, we all do it bc of our love for YOUR game for THE FINALS not another cs copy. 😉

[arctic marten]

the game is pretty optimized for what it is. It used to be worse

[glacial knot]

Remove the fucking low gravity , it disturb me when i use charge and dash no other ability can be disturbed by the gravity only charge and dash.

[civic plover]

Ranked Cashout is fun for the reason that it's not VALORANT or CS. Terminal Attack is an interesting gamemode but it's not a fun one. It's tedious and not well-suited to the classes of The Finals. Like someone above said, it's "soulless and unengaging".

With ranked changing to Terminal Attack, there are no more game modes in which you can "REACH THE FINALS" as you pitched to us last year.

Embark you cannot beat VAL or CS at a hyper competitive shooter. Please play to what makes your game unique because that is the strength of THE FINALS. I don't want you to lose your identity going along this path.

[stuck forum]

PLEASE DON’T REPLACE RANKED TOURNAMENT. PLEASE. For multiple reasons. PLEASE

[tiny marten]

dude someone in the reddit pointed out that embark said terminal will be the only ranked mode. What the actual fuck, everyone is complaining and rightfully so. This actually fucking sucks. One step forward 4 steps backwards. Many of us will leave if this is actually implemented.

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1danzl1/ranked_terminal_attack_is_a_big_mistake/

[tender minnow]

terminal attack is simply just a cool fun mode, but it is NOT the finals or what makes it so special to all of us, please understand that, it doesn't fit the game for ranked and alllll the mechanics and core gameplay is wayy more suited and better with the cashout mode as ranked, its just way more nuanced and exciting than TA, it clearly seems like you're just doing this to bring in players from other games with similar search and destroy mode...
what you've done honestly feels like a spat in the face to all the hardcore fans and community

[lethal herald]

I feel like terminal attack would be a better gamemode with a few key changes
-allow limited revives, these can be individual or group revives, where either each contestant can be revived once or twice, or the entire team gets 5 revives, these could even carry between rounds with probably have a max being in place

• maybe make it so everyone can respawn once throughout the entire match, or have team respawns and you gain one per round
  -Change auto regen to being class specific rather than static, so lights can heal up to 100 health and heavies can heal up to 250, or something similar to that
  -gadgets and specializations can be gained back from the cooldown, but there is a set number of specialization and gadget that you can have per round, so you can have let’s say 5 barricades and 2 grapples per round
  -with these other listed changes, allow heal beam and defib as it would make medium much more viable as it’s a medic based class, and they won’t be overpowered if balanced right

[knotty otter]

Yay! I love another ranked 5 v 5 class based shooter!

[scarlet trench]

After months of creating unique projects for THE FINALS, I have had countless people asking me about integrating it with THE FINALS, whether it be the Discord, the website or even just the API.

I have spoken to some people at Embark who notified me that I would be spoken to.. that date came and never happened. I didn't do much for a month after that, and just kept asking if they were free, being ignored. It now has been 4 months and I have had nothing back. Nothing.

Just last week, Embark made an update to how they provide userdata, which made it a lot worse. Making an already bad api, just difficult to use. It's not even an api anymore, we have to webscrape.

It is really frustrating for myself and others making different things for the game as we feel like the developers don't care about us.

[quick coyote]

cashout ranked, bank it option for it cuz i love the pace. main obv should be cashout

[candid apex]

You cannot claim to care about your core audience, then betray your most dedicated players by making the ranked mode not related at all to the core that brought us together in the first place. Revert the changes.

[fast flare]

https://chng.it/hKpbTs4zBQ
sign petition show our support for Ranked Cashout Tournaments (dont give any money or whatever idk wtf it is asking for, just share the petition !!!)
share it with others ! like i said, its a good way without review bombing to show that the game isnt what the community wants !
well over 180 signed now!

its a simple way to show how many people actually want the new ranked

[maiden notch]

How many wins do u need to level up a rank?

[exotic gate]

so you telling me that a game that no matter what i do to the settings, putting it all the way low to high it is still staying at 100 frames no matter what, if this is suppose to be a competitive game then me not getting max frames is a problem especially when it just starts to look like shi , but yea its pretty optimized for what it is. "used to be worse" i see absolutely no diff then when it first came out and its pathetic. Embark really doesn't care since all we are getting every update is just more cosmetics, just another cash grab without updating on the important stuff at ALL. Screw you embark if you actually care to read this like all the other complaints.

[delicate dirge]

**Honestly the best solution I can think of - **
TA being the primary ranked mode has some really dumb things about it. for example mediums basically getting fucked out of their support gadgets rez/heal wise.

But if TA ranked was the play for currency weekly tournament mode and they kept the old ranked mode as the PRIMARY ranked mode this would have been so much better received.

Again. use TA for the fun little weekly tournament mode and keep cashout ranked as the main focus. that sounds so much better and will give the people who do and even don't enjoy TA a reason to play it for some bonus currency when they've finished their ranked climb.

[tacit patrol]

Throwing stars (skin for throwing knives) please!!

[fierce valve]

I don't like TA. Isn't enough chaos for me to enjoy it.

[pure ore]

I am posting the thing here too just for people to see this and make right decisions.

Guys, please, think for a second.

Listen here. The change is controversial and a lot of players don’t like it. That is ok, things like that happens in gaming. It happened several times before for the finals (on smaller scales tho) like with bank it removal that later was canceled. Embark has a history of actually listening to the community so please:

1. CONTINUE your feedback. Not the destructive kind. We don’t need to harass devs. We don’t need to review bomb the finals (yet). For now VOICE your opinion and wait for a response. You can then act however you want AFTER you get a response (or if season 3 release with feedback being ignored).
2. Don’t try to shut the feedback because you don’t like these pesky complainers. Complaining is what people do when they don’t like something. The change is CLEARLY controversial and devs have to know this so people voice their opinions in places designed exactly for this.
3. Stop doomposting. Making conspiracy theories. Telling how embark “BETRAYED” their playerbase and “NOTHING will change their mind at this point” is unproductive. Once again, embark has a history of actually listening to their community and reacting fast. WAIT for their response before acting harshly.

[crystal umbra]

DEVS, I LOVE YOU!

[quick dew]

If Embark has a million haters I'm one of them. If they have one hater it's me. If they have 0 haters I have died. If the world is against Embark I am with the world, if the world is for Embark I am against the world.

[obsidian hull]

Nah I love embark, this change just wasn't it, and I believe they'll realise that and change it back

[sinful gazelle]

As someone who has been playing The Finals since the start of Season 1, I used to be so excited for their updates every Wednesday. I didn't care if the updates were small or big. I played The Finals because it was a unique shooter like no other game. But making TA the main ranked game mode is a betrayal to everyone in this community that you've been trying to build. It's the biggest "fuck you" to everyone.

You guys have had two seasons and all of the beta to make a good ranking system, but you still can't make a proper one? And now you've decided to switch from Cashout to TA as the ranked game mode? What a load of bullshit. How about you fix your ranking system at least before making this stupid decision?

I am very disappointed with everything: balance changes, removal of things, TA being ranked, the gunplay, the ranking system itself, game optimization, etc.

You guys put so much effort into content, music, cosmetics, and all of that, but you don't focus on the core gameplay at all. Fix and improve the core gameplay before adding all this contents.

I will give Season 3 a try, but I know that after a few months, most players will go back to their other games instead of sticking with The Finals.

I genuinely want detailed reasons for why the ranked mode is switching from Cashout to TA. You guys said you wanted to be more communicative and said you guys would shown it through your actions BUT you haven't. Embark and The Finals as a whole have been increasingly less communicative more and more.

[gleaming summit]

TA as main ranked and more melee weapons in a shooter, is this a late april fool?

[dreamy gull]

These TA permanent Ranked mode changes is even getting white roles to come in and say they’re not happy with the changes… you get the idea guys,

[static juniper]

people keep saying they are so responsive to feedback, but how many massive bugs have been left in for WEEKS without acknowledgment, how long has light been just complete garbage-

[cyan fern]

Fuck TA as ranked lol

[rotund rock]

Embark deserves benefit of the doubt MINIMUM. Let them explain at the preview event on the 11th. I think that's fair.

[pine quarry]

TA as new Ranked Mode you cant be serious ? This isnt the Finals

[candid flower]

Do not add TA as a ranked mode please what a horrible idea

[lime lichen]

its better when people want to play the normal mode like team deathmatch

[drifting obsidian]

please do not remove cashout ranked. Cashout was a original game mode that is unique to the finals. Do not switch ranked to a generic game mode. I if i wanted to play TA i would play siege or cod. i have over 500 hrs this season on the game. i promise if TA is the only ranked ill abandon the game.

[novel crow]

PLEASE DO NOT CHANGED RANKED TO JUST TA - Just make TA an option in RANKED

[stray rampart]

Wholeheartedly agreed! Especially the last part

[tired ibex]

I’m going to miss the finals normal ranked mode. I can’t wait to play Fortnite x csgo in s3 woohoo

[teal oxide]

Dear Embark, please blink twice if Nexon is holding you hostage. I sincerely and truly hope this utterly boneheaded decision didn't come from you, but from clueless suits chasing an imaginary bottom line.

[short canopy]

If I wanted to play cs, i'd just play cs. I play the finals for the unique mode that is cashout. If ranked becomes TA I will just play cs, but I want to play the finals and for what it is

[hoary yarrow]

please no TA ranked , poop change!

[gilded wigeon]

Game is cooked if we do not have Cashout tournaments as a primary ranked mode

[tulip kite]

Please keep ranked tournaments

[silver jacinth]

Just make ta ranked and cashout ranked a separate ranked system

[kindred bloom]

Embark! I joined this DC just to tell you I absolutely, really really do love your game. I've played a lot of games and your game really does have a special identity. You guys really DO a fantastic job at maintaining this game. That being said, please be careful making TA your main game mode because if its the ranked mode thats exactly what it does. TLDR of everyone's complaints: Cashout embodies the best this game has to offer and we don't want to lose what we feel is most special to this game. HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO REACH THE FINALS IF THERE ARE NO FINALS TO REACH 😭 Let's all try to be positive and constructive towards this game many of us love.

[stark remnant]

CANCEL TERMINAL ATTACK AS THE ONLY RANKED MODE
MAKE IT ANOTHER RANKED QUEUE WITH A SEPARATE RANK OR KEEP CASHOUT AS THE ONLY MODE

Please don't kill the game we all love, listen to your core players, not low elo loud minorities on social medias
We put money in this game for what it is, we welcome change but don't change the game's main and ranked mode, this makes NO SENSE AT ALL

[timber hazel]

Please just give us two rank mode instead

I admit to finding some joy in the siege-lite experience of TA

But I will never love it as much as our normal cash out mode because
I love the final for the controlled chaos of 4 team battle royal,
Your game were build around the cashout mode for the past year
Such a drastic change will not be balanced as well as betraying the core player base like me who stick with you

Please reconsider

https://chng.it/hKpbTs4zBQ 173

[sick stag]

#bringbackCashOutRanked

Do not do this to us.

Bring back ranked tournament.

Embark, you told us that you are proud that you built the core player base, and season 3 is the season to promote the game to the public.

Your reason is "more tactical and competitive" when tournament is already that. I don't know who is these people that tell you otherwise but I can tell you the game is already " tactical and competitive". I assume it is to appeal to the new audience because they are more used to 5v5. But we have our whole thing, we don't have to do this.

You are basically saying that the players that played S1/2, does not find the game"tactical and competitive" and are not using tactics every singke ranked tournament. But we are. I am diamond 4, 1500 games total. I know what im talking about.

What about all the effort we spent on learning the game so we can be good in ranked tournament? Do we not matter?

We are the people that stayed when there are only 20k player max.

we are the player that love the game when it has ranked tournament.

We are the people that spam "this game is worth playing, give it a try".

Do no do this to us, bring back ranked tournament.

[quasi pewter]

I'm sorry I love this game so much but Terminal Attack as ranked? Heavy the only one getting a specialisation? No guns, only melee? ONE new gadget for Light? Terminal Attack is not the right choice for this game. And there HAS to be more hidden content right? Please?

-yummzzi in the steam announcement comment section

[runic harness]

cringe

[native lance]

There is a gadget for heavy too

[drowsy vector]

I was so excited to watch the season 3 reveal today. Now I’m checking what other game I’m going to play when season 3 starts. How sad. Please keep cash out ranked..

[lavish shard]

I dont play light and melee so for me no new stuff im very disappointing ranked choice is horible dev just want kill our game idk why 🤷‍♂️

[fossil heart]

What the actual fuck is Embark thinking. Yes, ranked needs an overhaul. But removing cash out as the true ranked mode? Bro I’ve pushed this game so hard to friends. I’m at a loss for words

[velvet sapphire]

the hook looks fun come on

[glossy sun]

i am all for ta ranked if this is gonna make the finals more mainstream and make more money for embark but i don't think ta is anything special compered to whats on the market already

[timber sage]

I think they were incapable of properly balancing cashout ranked without pissing off a lot of people to start off with. I also think that the build system was a massive mistake that contributed greatly to this game's downfall. Now Nexon and some of Embark's own staff are feeling the pressure to bump up player count somehow even if it hurts the loyal existing playerbase.

But I'm a pubs gremlin that's played neither TA nor ranked, so take my word with a grain of salt.

[mighty halo]

first valid take

[golden surge]

Please for the love of god add normal Shooter modes like TDM and Domination to the game.

[cinder ridge]

can you fix the bullshit with dematerializer leaving floating objects that block the hole you create. i would say its stopping me from playing ranked next season but im not doing that anyway

[buoyant tendon]

There really is not much separating the finals from a ton of the other games on the market now though, one of the main pulls for the finals for me and all of my friends was the unique gamemode

[tiny marten]

the fact that they havent posted a "we will not change the ranked mode" yet is scary asf. They cant be actually fucking serious

make a bad review on steam right now

[heavy kayak]

they probably taking it out till they’re able to finally fix the “match up” correctly you’d be in bronze with golds and etc either way they’ll just have it out for a while but i bet it’d be right back on the rest of the trailer looked fire doh

[tame quest]

Then the best route is to negative review, show the new comers our grievances.

[upbeat gulch]

Adding probably to a slew of same feedback, not liking terminal attack for only ranked mode

[celest berry]

Delay S3

• Keep ranked as it is
• get us new GUNS not melee weapons its a FPS GAME
• get us a good meta change we are playing since day one the same beside some minor changes
• maybe make the cashout cash tick overtime instead of all at once so it forces you to play more agressive instead of hiding and waiting to be the 3rd party
• and try to revert the dmg you have done to the OG community

[gilded bloom]

Swap terminal attack for world tour and keep cashout as the real ranked mode

[gloomy raven]

Can there be a melee only event?

[cedar jolt]

I don't like TA at all.... how did it go from being a temporal mode to instantly replacing Tournaments? is game being rebranded to The Terminals?
Also, Mediums are gonna have only 2 specializations from now on in rankeds due to Heal beam being unavailable, are they getting a new specializtion to make up for it?

[rough stump]

Even in Siege there is a agent who can heal teammates but in Terminals they disabled heal mechanic entirely and crossed out one specialization and gadget from medium 😄
How the idea of making TA a ranked even came to them... How?
We love you Embark, please listen to community. My Steam review will always be the same, short and meaningful - "Masterpiece" even if this review will be just a bit of memory of old good The Finals

[west cove]

Not sure how I feel about the complete replacement of Cashout, but I'm very glad to see TA becoming a ranked mode. gj

[jagged plover]

why no new guns for S3? Also the worst game mode in S2 is going to be the only ranked one? I know this is probably due to Nexons influence on Embark, but making it like every other shooter won't help profits

[velvet moth]

Dear Embark, I love the finals and it's what I've been playing for the past four months without ever playing any other game. I am hyped about the new season, map, skins, weapons, you name it. Although, I don't agree on the way some people are showing their frustration by reviewing bombing and straight up insulting, I kind of agree on the take that what makes the game different from other shooters is it's main game mode, "cash out". I like TA, but as a casual mode. I also get that some players quit because of the third party on cash out rank and this change might bring old and new players, just don't forget what makes this game unique, aside from the destruction, movement, etc. I don't want the game to be a "CS or siege copy" like some people say.

Having said that, I like the fact that the devs listen to us and put so much heart into the game. I'll get the battlepass, grind it, support you no matter what and continue having fun like always.

[stuck forum]

I just want to know how terminal attack fits into the ENTIRE FREAKING PREMISE of The Finals’ lore.

[manic compass]

It thematically makes sense in terms of what season 3 is, a kind of "samurai vs ninja" is how I'm interpreting it for now. We'll just have to wait and see.

[compact sleet]

TA would be good if they didnt add those dumb rules no with healing or rez.... who came up with now heals? they need to be fired tbh

[thorn igloo]

https://www.change.org/p/keep-the-finals-ranked-gamemode-as-the-cashout-tournament/exp/cl_/cl_sharecopy_490093179_en-CA/6/1340812518?recruiter=1340812518&recruited_by_id=5f686c50-2538-11ef-aab3-8975215ea62e&utm_source=share_petition&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_term=psf&utm_medium=copylink&utm_content=cl_sharecopy_490093179_en-CA%3A6 petition to keep gamemode as cashout 200 ppl signed so far

[lethal herald]

I’m not saying it should be a ranked gamemode, just saying the mode itself is lacking, and with those changes would probably be accepted by a larger audience

[elfin badge]

please confirm if terminal attack is replacing the OG ranked mode. why not have 2 ranked modes??

[cold bolt]

look, TA having a ranked playlist? Fine. Replacing cash out altogether with another walmart tier elim shooter experience? WTF?

Like yes I have my complaints about cash out but the changes I want boil down to elo calculations and maybe slightly altering how money extraction from the boxes work.

I mean honestly replacing the mode altogether wouldn't even necessarily be bad if it weren't Terminal Attack. I don't want to play an elim shooter. I hate cs, I hate val, I hate r6s, I love the finals. Please have cash out ranked run alongside s3 TA ranked I'm begging this is the most fun fps I've played in years

[nimble fog]

embark how about improving things instead of changing them 😂

[jagged bough]

#revertTAranked

[pine flower]

Huge miss this season. Did embark ever consider that the reason why people didn’t keep playing in 2024 was because after over 6 months we’re just now getting A SIXTH MAP? Any game that launches with 4 maps that’s niche is destructivity is going to go down the crapper with most people. Sorry, but the problem with your stats and sales is that there just isn’t enough gameplay content. Most people who played your game loved it… then moved on to games with dozens of maps and guns.

What not to do: piss off the 100k players with 250+ hours on your game.

Honestly, you need to run damage control and find a quick compromise to make with your base in a week. We asked for ranked to be improved, spawns to be balance, and it looks like you blew all that off for an afterthought that no on asked for.

https://chng.it/cktHn2gTr6

[heady falcon]

game crashes today have been INSANE

[terse sapphire]

As a Diamond with 350 hours. team tactical is going to be only ranked mode I’m quitting this game

[gloomy merlin]

Is this at least a more fleshed out version of TA? TA felt pretty bare bones imo. I don't mind a change but TA as it was is not it.

[young hamlet]

Remove terminal attack
To anyone who disagrees, just go play Counter strike. There's more than enough attack and defend games on the market. Keep The Finals unique!

[violet wing]

Damn I hope it counts as feedback but that trailer is, once again, true FIRE. Already watched it 8 times.

[sinful valve]

@pearl kiln I have a serious question, and as far as I can tell, there isnt much of a response given towards this.

What is the plan, if implementing Terminal Attack being the only ranked gamemode, for melee players?

All of a sudden, Melee users(As a Heavy main, this will affect me the most) no longer get health regen, when the entire usecase of Melee means that we will inevitably take damage? It feels like my entire 600 hours of gameplay is now just negated, with entire aspects of this game being removed in favor for a comp scene that seems to already not enjoy the idea of Terminal Attack Ranked.

[cyan fern]

Grinded for diamond and peaked at top 2800 just to have this announcement basically telling me I won't be playing ranked in s3, lol, gg.
Terrible choice if you ask me; a game that has such chaos and ridiculousness as its design philosophy to fall in line by making such a generic game mode that's already been done ad nauseam its primary ranked mode, zzz

[olive fulcrum]

Terminal Attack is a great addition...

I am very nervous on the prospect of it being the sole ranked mode, however.

Terminal Attack pigeon-holes The Finals into a lesser game. What I mean is that it removes key elements for what gives The Finals it's identity.
It's a great spin on the game, but forcing your core audience to play it as the only way to play some competitive games every day after work/school is... going to alienate your core audience.

I'll still be with you guys, but if this is the direction, I know a lot of people who aren't going to stick around for another samey ATK/DEF one-life game.

[thorny parcel]

Yall kinda made a mistake with not just making Cashout into a ranked 5v5 or 3v3 tbh. Main issue was the 3v3v3v3 nature of ranked being frustrating.
Cashout as a game mode is actually a really good mode.

[silver jacinth]

As I understand World series is actually ranked cashout but with a different name (and with different settings and also being weekly but it is what it is) and ta ranked is just ranked so basically we still have ranked cashout, don't worry contestants.

[static juniper]

30 minute slowmode, huh, bit desperate

[tame pivot]

it has always been on slowmode

[winter wing]

I would rather have recon and nukes back than be forced to play terminal attack for ranked.

[summer bobcat]

what he said^

[upper citrus]

Insanely fucking tone deaf ranked update

[gilded wigeon]

KEEP CASHOUT RANKED TOURNAMENT OR WE RIOT

[frank cipher]

play cheaters > play terminal attack as ranked.

[ashen stirrup]

I agree 5v5 cashout would be dope

[noble prism]

Being able to play again would be dope

[stray rampart]

Rename the game

[half owl]

TA is good mod keep up embark i love you

[pseudo surge]

BRING CASH OUT RANKED BACK it is way more fun then terminal attack your getting rid of abilites for the medium as well as doing away with your core gameplay. I'd also like to say that it feels like you are just making it comfy for people who play csgo/valorant/cod S an D ect there are already plenty of games that do that mode and you were different and no longer are. I don't care that cashout is still in the game if there aren't ranked tournaments I spent 300 hours of a grind to be where I am and now everything I learned means nothing. I will say you have many great Ideas for this season but TA for Cashout is not one of them.

[astral dune]

Terminal Attack is easily my least favorite game mode in the entire game :(

[quick coyote]

Horrible changes this season. Idk who decided this change. And what they were drinking at the time.

[novel crow]

People play the Finals for Cashout not TA

[gusty niche]

Nexon is pushing embark I think

[scenic summit]

Does anyone confirm the change?

[graceful stratus]

God awful change Embark. RIP The Finals you were good fun while you lasted. TA is so ass

[golden surge]

How they are getring rid of Medium abilities. They are pretty much perfect for Terminal attack. Tower, aps.
You can teleport a tower throgh the roof one floor down. Mines.
Healing and defib should be enabled.

[candid flower]

TA ranked it dumb dont do it embark👍

[stoic crag]

How to say you never played TA without saying you never played TA

[uncut valve]

I thought TA was a cool variety game mode that was gonna be workshopped a bit more. I liked its potential, but it absolutely sucks for a lot of maps like Monaco and isn't there yet as a premier Ranked mode. It needs more fine tuning.

[flint panther]

TA may be a good mode,
But it shouldn't be ranked.

[bold cradle]

As a valorant player, it should definitely be in ranked

[pearl lintel]

"as a valorant player"👆 🤓

[gilded bloom]

Okay that's irrelevant

[dry lance]

How are we supposed to reach the finals now guys? Ive never disliked a change more

[pine flower]

“Quickly, destroy your base so we can pick up new players!” #revertTAranked

[steady jungle]

@pearl kiln Guys im gonna be honest with you, i loved playing ranked in S2. Grinded all the way to plat 4 so far, but Terminal Attack is not the way to go. It's not really that fun and while it's certainly a competitive experience, it's not balanced well and doesn't mesh with what you've designed gameplay wise and in terms of how well built the flow of cashout is. I really hate not having any health regen and it just seems like a really limiting gamemode. Maybe spread the ranked modes so we have both TA and Cashout? 2 ranked playlists? I wouldn't mind trying them both.

[fast flare]

^

[sinful osprey]

I think ta can be like how Fortnite has build and zero build, and it should just be a different ranked game mode that offers different rewards, because it’s 5v5, and a completely different like way of how you play the game, so like the people who wanna play TA can play it in ranked, while the original ranked should still remain

[tame quest]

I was waiting for them to abolish TA all together, and they went and made it ranked... sad day

[odd ibex]

Add kusarigama melee,it’s got chain and blade

[worn spade]

Hey "The Terminals" add MnK support on consoles

[elfin badge]

news flash... is "world tour" the OG ranked??

[ripe pike]

bro all these fucking lights with their little throwing knives are so fucking annoying

[visual bramble]

Bro don’t tell me they’re gonna remove the goo gun. That shit is so fun to use

[merry prism]

They made it the only ranked, it's terrible

[golden harbor]

As a new player of the finals I loved the inovations with the gamemodes. Coming from games like CS ando Val I loved the intensity and the millions of possibilites the destruction in the maps and gadgets offered. That si what makes the finals unique compared to other shooters. The new Game modes, power shift and digital money, worked wonders with the finals theme and gameplay. Terminal attack on the other hand feels like a horrendous copy of Val. Please just make Cashout and PowerShift ranked modes. Or do a Playlist like in OW where You get assigned to diferent gamemodes. If I wanted to play a search and destroy Game I would go to a search and destroy Game. Nobody will come to play the finals for terminal attack over the clásics. You are just losing your original playerbase

[velvet moth]

They are not. Where did you get that from?

[merry geyser]

Nobody even knows for a fact that TA will be the only game mode with ranked. It's still speculation.

[abstract pewter]

https://www.change.org/p/keep-the-finals-ranked-gamemode-as-the-cashout-tournament

[light wagon]

its been confirmed by oscar

[coral axle]

DAY 13 ASKING FOR FSR 3.0 AND FRAME GENERATION!

[runic harness]

where?

[onyx current]

terminal just feels so unbalanced

[keen jolt]

if i wanna play Blasting mode why i should choose thefinals ? this decision is totally a piece of shit. it completely abandoned their own game characteristics. every balance update since S1 is nerfing nerfing nerfing, and the game became more and more unpleasant to play. i still put up with it cause the game is fun at its core. but thefinals is cut it over and over again and i'm at the end of my patience, i can't stand the fact that blast mode will be the only mode in qualifying, and I'll retire on the spot if S3 does. if this game had a delete button, I believe I would have deleted my 1000+hours game time and the S1S2 diamond rewards

[rustic pebble]

We can clearly see that the people hating on the new season are a really loud minority since the "review bombing" plans haven't even made a 1% different in the last 30 days of review score

[gilded wigeon]

keep ranked cashout tournament as it is

[winter wing]

i'd rather drink bleach than terminal attack be our ranked gamemode

[frank cipher]

i rather let my daughter marry a mexican cartel druglord than play terminal attack as the main ranked gamemode. I stand by this.

[cyan fern]

I'm gonna hate on the new season decisions but I won't participate in review bombing lol, that's silly. I'd call the review bombers a loud minority, but the complaints are definitely not limited to a small group

[scarlet bluff]

Please consider have a ranked mode for cashout and terminal attack and have them both go from bronze to "beyond"

[terse sapphire]

As a Diamond with 350 hours. terminal attack is going to be only ranked mode I’m quitting this game.

[narrow crater]

Honestly the terminal attack game mode for ranked would be more competitive though, defibs wouldn’t be as oppressive (even with the rework) and you’d have to play better, just let us regen to full hp or something, plus you’d have to play smart and not like a bimbo

[versed phoenix]

as a diamond with 200 hours, pls dont make terminal attack the only ranked mode :( I like how unique this game's gamemode is

[potent dune]

i really hope they make it seperate at least, even share ranks idc but keep cashout

[thorny parcel]

I will play ranked TA tbh.
But I will 100% quit this game if they remove Goo Gun. Nerfing it is fine but removing it is where I draw the line.

Do not remove a Heavy special just because of a three special per class rule.

[nimble fog]

if TA is unique then they should also add a ranked mode of 4 lights who have to fix the terminals and escape the arena while a heavy chases them. PREETY UNIQUE CONCEPT RIGHT.

[glossy scaffold]

NERF TK

[little pawn]

I solo q so playing with two random people nearly drove me insane until I finally hit Diamond. And now you want me to play with four randoms?

[proven ibex]

IF YOUR PLAYERBASE STARTED 'A SIGN THE PETITION ' THEN IT MEANS THEY LOVE THE GAME TO THE CARE BUT DEVS ARE DUMB AND CONFUSED AF, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR PLAYERS WANT. THEY ALREADY KILLED THE GAME IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS. FORGET GETTING NEW PLAYERS , YOU WON'T EVEN KEEP EXISTING PLAYERS.

Last stream had 300 views at max on both twitch n YT, long queueing times, empty lobbies showing how devs failed big time. They couldn't get anyone to stream but did with the most toxic YTr of this game Ottr, that tells this game's current state. Apex community kicked him out for all the toxicity and he came to this game. Leaving that aside every patch, every change slowly contributed to this game's death. S3 decides the survival of this game but if they really going with the plan to make TA as ranked, consider it's dead already

[supple abyss]

Terminal Attack is bad, do not make it your core ranked game mode.

[golden surge]

Saxton Hale

[pine flower]

Terminal Attack was a mistake. Way to blow it

[proven tangle]

Gee can't wait for the sword to soak up all my bullets in a game that already requires you to reload after every time you kill a player to kill another one that are in teams of 3 who totally don't gank new season looks like trash

[novel crow]

Keep Cashout in Ranked

[odd ibex]

Add chainsaw for heavy with a charging attack and a heavy swing attack
Add kusarigama to medium,it’s got chain and blade for range melee

[left lava]

Agree

[clear flint]

is there a petition i can sign to get rid of terminal attack ranked? It is NOT what the core audience wants and i am so so so sad that they did this to the communityh

[fair osprey]

Is in my personal opinion that Terminal Attack should not be the Ranked mode for Season 3. I think World Tour Cashouts with the rotating maps and loadouts n the like would actually make for a unique Ranked experience found rarely anywhere else. If done right, World Tour Cashout Ranked Tournaments would keep the game fun and interesting while still being extremely competitive for this mode.

[mystic bramble]

I won't play ranked if terminal attack is the only mode. Consider changing it please

[olive fulcrum]

The Finals Season 3 ranked mode will be changed from Cashout (the flagship gamemode) to Terminal Attack (aka a standard esport game mode for slow tactical shooters). This decision will not only alienate a large portion of the dedicated audience the game has built up over the last year, but also water down the experience and the identity of this incredibly groundbreaking game.
**
If you're a core Ranked player, or are passionate about The Finals, I urge you:

Visit Embark's socials below,

tell them what you really think about this change.

And let's keep this game alive.
**
Twitter: https://x.com/reachthefinals

Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/

Discord #game-feedback channel: https://discord.gg/thefinals

Season 3 Steam Announcement: https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2073850/view/4164220603447083354?l=english

[dawn hazel]

HUGE mistake making TA main ranked mode. MANY will quit this game.

[gritty umbra]

L take

[warm mauve]

MANY more will come back.

[high pawn]

This is either a peak identity crisis or a calculated move to kill off competitive playerbase - both equally terrifying

[magic wing]

I know there's a massive sea of responses. But I'm really optimistic and excited for what's coming this season, and looking forward to trying it! I hope Embark doesn't get bowled over by the over reactions to a trailer before we've even tried the new stuff

[jagged cedar]

TA as a ranked mode is throwing away every that makes the finals unique, if I wanted to play search and destroy I would go play a game that was made, balanced around, and focuses on search and destroy

[timber sage]

I will simply move on to another shooter that has everything I love about The Finals (and some) minus the team objective focus.

I'm giving season 3 one more try, and if balancing and optimization renders the game unplayable, and my own skill issue also makes me hate myself with this game, that's when I jump ship. Unfortunately, I will dive into vast waters without an island for thousands of miles considering the FPS I prefer.

[fair pendant]

Thanks for the sauce.... 😦

[young hamlet]

Everyone stop fighting and HEAR ME OUT
Make TA and Tourney both ranked modes
It's a win win

[candid flower]

Dont make TA ranked plz its a dumb idea yall would lose alot of players👍

[worn spade]

From bronze to gold in cashout and from bronze to ruby in terminal attack, incredible, change the name from THE FINALS to THE TERMINALS and add MnK support on consoles. Embark ls

[upper citrus]

dont forget cashout tournaments will have locked loadouts and be on the same map for a week at a time

[clear hemlock]

Don't lock load outs for world tour and we will have no reason to complain. At least we get multi bucks for it though

[sacred siren]

Idc if TA gets ranked, it just should not replace tournament ranked.

[runic cedar]

It's fine if it's ranked, but make it a side ranked gamemode alongside cashout (the main ranked)

[stuck forum]

Please don’t give me more PTSD than I’ve already been given

[lean granite]

I actually hate Terminal Attack, it takes away all the fun and chaotic gameplay. Please reconsider your decision to have Termial Attack as the only ranked mode. It will stop others and I from playing the game.

[umbral rampart]

I love how people complain before even trying it out. If once it comes out and you've all given it some time, see how you really feel about it with an open mind, THEN share that. Pitching a fit like a child when offered something new and different doesn't rally anyone to your cause.

And if it still isn't your cup of tea, that's fine too. You can't make everyone happy. I've seen people who are excited to have this ranked. The game will not die, just like it didn't die when everyone was complaining about the Light class.

[tame quest]

We've all played TA, it's crap.

[waxen sail]

GAMES DONE GG ITS OVER

[glossy sun]

they sold the soul of the game what a joke

[arctic pumice]

Embark i know you probably won't see this but I can not wait! World tour sounds fantastic and a transparent ranked system is spectacular!!!

[last mica]

I don’t understand why they can’t keep both, we can appeal to both fanbases. This is just Bank it all over again

[solemn linden]

but it also isnt the finals. the game was unique up to this point, not it's just the same as all the other competitive shooters. Val and CS do it better. Terminal Attack just feels cheap in comparision

[vernal swallow]

wait I’m so confused is ranked being removed and terminal attack ranked is the new one….?

If it is that’s so stupid, s3 was the season I was going to try to do ranked since it seems super fun but I’m way too laggy so once I get my new computer I was excited to grind some ranked, not terminal attack, like don’t get me wrong it’s a cool idea but it’s such a bland game mode, like if I wanted to play terminal attack I would just play csgo wtf

[gritty rampart]

Revert Ranked back to Cashout.

[keen jolt]

if there are only 10 players play the game and think it's ok, then of course the game will get a great reviews. The game certainly doesn't die instantly, it just dying step by step. when your players are ready to sign a petition, you'd better think about what the hell you've done😅

[urban jackal]

I'm just gonna say that I don't think Terminal Attack has cooked in the oven long enough to be the ranked staple. So many weapons do not match the TA style of gameplay. When you can take more risks with healing and revives, using less meta weaponry is still viable. Why would I risk using a melee weapon if I can just be beamed on the approach to a bomb site? Why would I use any weapon that suffers at range when chip damage is permanent? Why would I use a risky burst weapon like the sawed off or the 1883 if consistent DPS is so important with no regen or revives. It's just too risky to run off-meta with these gamerules. And yeah I could just equip the FCAR every round but eh... no.

[keen skiff]

from what I can tell, it's good to see the gameshow aspect making a comeback in S3. However I feel it was a mistake making TA the official ranked gamemode for one main reason: similarity. I found in my time playing TA it felt way too much like other competitive shooter games, like valorant, and less like the wild, chaotic game we have gotten to know from the other gamemodes. TA is simply not a good representation of what the finals is all about imo, therefore I personally think it is not fit to be the one and only ranked mode. would love to hear some other opinions about this though

[tulip kite]

Please don’t make terminal attack the ranked game mode it takes away so much from this game.

[winter wing]

I'd rather get castrated than terminal attack be our gamemode

[hushed sand]

Removing the ranked mode for some terrible copy of CS is a terrible move and will absolutely cause a huge portion of the playerbase to leave.

[gilded wigeon]

I'd rather get castrated than terminal attack be our gamemode

[mild zealot]

PLEASE REMOVE SNIPER FROM POWERSHIFT

[glacial geyser]

Are people just speculating, or is Terminal Attack replacing the normal ranked mode?

If so, the game is unfortunately dead to me until they revert this...

Hopefully both are available for ranked.
If not, what a stupid decision to fundamentally change the core gameplay mode

[vocal cave]

what do you mean try it out? as if we haven't already tried terminal attack , its been in the game for long enough for us to know we don't want it as a ranked mode

@umbral rampart I want to play the unique game mode in ranked, not the knock off SnD. If I wanted to play SnD i'd play CS2 or Val or R6. This game isn't built around SnD, the maps don't fit it either, there is nothing and i mean absolutely nothing that make that gamemode better than in those games

[manic steppe]

Current ranked mode is awesome most fun I have had in a competetive FPS in years. Terminal Attack is going to have so many issues on a competive level through cheesing and playing specific builds. This is a step back.

[tame crag]

Please fix the LH1's iron sights, if I understand, it's intentionally difficult to use as a downside for its high damage, but I have to strain my eyes to use it when I play on a tv, which I don't have to do for other weapons.

I don't think it should be given a sight, but maybe clearing up the clutter of it a little could help?

[obtuse wedge]

i get that the game is trying to be competitive and have its own tournament, but TA being the only Ranked mode is the most funny decision happened since released. no idea what u guys were thinking when decided this way, u better make significant improvements, adjustments for the mode or watch the "# of users played within 24 hrs" stats on Steam goes down to 11k or below 10k. Honestly, think about what have u done and think about what u had when it was in 7 months ago.

oh, love the new theme for S3, i dont doubt about the imagination u guys have for creation, but for the love of god, its not gonna save u if u keep deleting the fun stuff away from us

when in beta, we played because FUN, not because COMPETITIVE

[heady falcon]

this game is officially dead if they decide to make ranked terminal

[lime crane]

TA ranked is fine if they keep tournament Ranked, but please not only TA

[dire lance]

have you not been reading Embarks posts? ranked in season 3 is Terminal Attack

[echo radish]

These playerbase played same mode since game release. Changing things drasticaly will result core base got removed...

[pine flower]

It’s a combo move. They’re relegating Cashout Tourneys to a separate rank-like system and the official competitive mode is Terminal Attack. The reason why there is such a harsh reaction is because whatever is the competitive mode is likely the focus of development and no one whose been playing ranked (the most active players) want the game moving in that direction

[west anchor]

Throwing knives need a nerf. Y'all nerfing things that don't need nerfs and buffing things that don't need buffs

[stray basalt]

Throwing knives needed the buff tho 😭

[clever badge]

Game is still unplayable for moderately colourblind players on every setting, usually theres one setting that works but jumping between settings every single game not only takes time but is very jarring as it changes every colour including UI stuff. Accessibility nightmare... Please let us define our own team colours or something as a workaround

[fair pendant]

#👂┇game-feedback message

[umbral rampart]

We are talking about the gaming community here. They pitch a fit over everything these days. And the minority is always going to be the loudest.
As far as the petition.. last I checked, there are a whole lot more players than...289, which is what the current player count is. Something like 13k. https://steamdb.info/app/2073850/charts/

So again, the people who are shouting "game dead" and how they will leave, shockingly either haven't made a dent, or they never left.

@vocal cave People playing on a ranked mode, play much different than on a pub game. You can play cashout unranked, and get a different experience from a ranked cashout.
All I'm saying is to give it a chance, it hasn't even been tried yet. People can not like it, that's fine. But to make up your mind before even trying it in the competitive atmosphere isn't helpful for this games long run. They should be experimenting, and as we've seen, they do make changes after appropriate feedback.

And I think the only reason they don't have both available, is to probably keep queue times low, keep everyone on the same page. And who knows, they might even add cashout back in.

[mint lintel]

We asked for drastic ranked changes, we got drastic ranked changes, let’s see this out boys. Let’s focus up on the bullet deflecting swords here

[cold bolt]

"most competitive"
walmart csgo/val/r6s

I want to play the finals bc it's the finals, please keep cash out and just adjust it if there's balancing issues rather than replacing it with something no one wants

@queen shale having both would split the playerbase even more, not viable with the playercount being 10k at any given time

we only need one ranked mode and it should be cash out, switch terminal attack to be that bronze through gold whatever xp contract thing and make cash out ranked again

[shut badge]

STOP demoting my rank because another teammate QUIT THE GAME

[queen shale]

why replace it, cant we get it added as a 5 team ranked and keep our tournament? why cant we have both?

[stuck forum]

To think all they had to do to fix third partying was incentivize two teams to go for one another, with extra cash for killing your “nemesis”.

[elfin badge]

time for some positive feedback 🙂 THE NEW MAP LOOKS AMAZING! 🙂 can we at least acknowledge this

[azure cradle]

Feeling really dejected with Cashout being replaced by Terminal as the official flagship game mode of The Finals. It was supposed to be a timed event and now it’s usurped the game mode we all fell in love with and came to the game for as the ranked mode. It not only shakes what we know apart but takes us further away from the game show aesthetic and promise that the tiered match progression of cashout offered.

[clear flint]

https://chng.it/kkmtrMNFmN SIGN THIS PETITION TO GET RID OF TERMINAL ATTACK RANKED. THE COMMUNITY CAN WIN WE ARE THE MOST POWER FUL 👽

[true field]

HAVING RANKED TA IS ONE THING. HAVING ONLY RANKED TA IS LAME.

[clear hemlock]

Yes map is complete W. Bow is sick as well. People are ignoring all of the cool stuff to whine about ranked. At least acknowledge how cool everything else is

[astral abyss]

After coming back to the game from intermittent breaks it is truly shocking how terrible the weapon balance feels. Melee weapons and throwing knives absolutely decimate with little skill required while high skill ceiling choices like assault rifles do not reward you for performing well. No matter how on your aim is that night, the long TTK is still painful to deal with - fight after fight. It just wears you down mentally. My buddy says the AK, FCAR, Famas, Lewis, etc, feel like they shoot "wet beans" at people and I gotta agree completely. Lmao. I really want to love this game. It has so much promise. But the bullet sponge TTK (unless you are knives, melee, or smg player) has got to go.

[muted cave]

If terminal attack is the only ranked mode im straight up quitting the game. I started playing the finals because of its new gamemode and fast paced gameplay where pretty much any playstyle can work if youre good at it. Terminal attack is so incredibly restrictive of what you can run like what is even the point of playing anymore???

[languid valley]

100% facts, r6/valorant ripoff gamemode was only fun for a week but not something I ever saw myself playing after it was over.

[rose vortex]

Having ranked TA be the only mode for ranked is an L. I love and have defended this game EVERY DAY since launch but switching the ranked mode around the most balanced and replayable mode that all ranked and pro players have been putting hours of time into is stupid. I seriously love this game. But I guess I just really loved its main concept of cash outs and pushing throughs tournament style rounds. Not search and destroy……idk man. I might be done unless they revert the change. The finals most stand out feature was and is its core game mode! Hope embark listens to the community like they have done these past months. If not GL HF yall, GGs was fun while it lasted.

[sick stag]

-Be embark, built a core playebase that love rankee tournament and also had fun playing with TA

-Replace Ranked tournament to Ranked TA to pissed off their core player base

• divide community by making "core player(Tournament lover)" and "normal/new player(TA or whatever new and fun gamemode lover)" argue right before the season that is supposed to make the game more popular started

• something something marketing strategy

-something something make the game bend over backwards for the markets

-something something try to make the game lose its uniqueness

-corebase player leave

-the people that only play because Rank TA is new and fresh also leave after 2-3 weeks

-?????

-Profit 😎

[upper citrus]

REAL

[glacial geyser]

What are we complaining about?
Imagine if CSGO replaced their core ranked mode with TDM...
It's not the same game anymore.
What a joke move by Embark

[wind raven]

Oh my fucking god please do not make TA the ranked mode

[golden harbor]

Real

[worn spade]

Embark son of a bitch add MnK support on consoles

[glossy sun]

you can git gud if you think winning is out of your control

[flint ingot]

My suggestion as d1 for S3 Ranked is keep both TA and Cashout as Ranked modes (Not just Cashout as weekly ranked if this is true). Both modes appeal to very different players and play styles. Making one of those modes more focused like it seems like it will be in S3 will cause the community to part ways with finals. Cashout is why most people started to play the game. Not having the classic 5v5 we see in every game being competitive is great. Cashout Ranked with currently the 3 rounds is on the right Track. The Elo system is sometimes quite unfair, for example getting knocked out in round 2 in diamond 2 will cost a player around 2-3 tournament wins. Meaning it does not feel rewarding to win the first round at all causing much frustration. A solution might be to get for example a performance bonus, so even when knocked in round 2 you can still recover by having many kills/assists. Also preventing the down ranking to be so drastic would help a lot. You could just set a max down rank cap. Meaning if you win the tournament and rank up around 200 places then when you get knocked out in round 1 you wont be able to rank down more then 200 (+- some performance number). This performance number should also be capped, for example valorant has a max for 3 stars. This could be for example your stats compared to the average of diamond 2 and if better u get + points if worse you get - points. This would make winning a tournament then getting knocked out in round 1 be closer to a 1:1 then what it is currently. Also spawns seem to be questionable. Because most of the time it does not seem to follow a fair pattern. It seems more like 3 teams spawn at cashout A while one is at cashout B. Spawns should be adjusted to make it possible to nearly always cause 2 teams at cashout A and 2 teams at cashout B.

[dire lance]

They aren't going to split the ranked playerbase. Some regions have a hard enough time finding ranked games as it is. TA is going to be ranked for season 3 and cashout is going to be that World Tour nonsense where you can earn up to a Gold badge

[odd ibex]

Add chainsaw for heavy with a charging attack and a heavy swing attack
Add kusarigama to medium,it’s got chain and blade for range melee

Make rpg have a laser sight and make it very visible so we can prepare to deal with it and u have to aim down sight to fire so it’s balanced

How about a healing dart for lights as a gadget with a little boost of health so this will make light a bit more useful in ranked and it’s not auto-aim healing beam plus u have to be accurate IT GIVES MORE HEALTH WHEN TEAMMATE HEALTH LOW and have grapple hook stuck to walls whenever for ambush and improve grapple hook inertia physics for players.

Give dagger a downwards thrust with 80-100 damage depending on how high u charge it when falling.

Add automatic crossbow for heavy and have it climbable when stuck to walls.

Have different game balance for causal and ranked causes different audience causes back and forth balances.

We have problem with dagger hit register as it only work after dash finishes but people run away at the last moment,just make it work a few milliseconds earlier.

[copper hemlock]

If I am qualifiying in a match at least a round, I should not be going down in rank, double positive, high objective score, and still a -1 arrow after Top 4, it makes no sense.

[arctic kelp]

Please enable a seperate option so that you are able to have a dot crosshair only for the throwing knives, I hate having the dot on my crosshair however if i disable it it makes using the throwing knives almost impossible. I end up having to turn it on every single time i would like to use them. I didn't even realize players had this advantage for the longest of times

[bleak coral]

call world tour "ranked world tour", boom problem solved, thanks guys

[summer wasp]

WINCH CLAW — a new specialization for HEAVIES: launches a chain that pulls objects or enemies toward you, briefly stunning them, making it a perfect companion to the new Spear. Requires tactical use, accuracy, and skill! They say spear but hammer ftw run lights run 😂😂

[umbral rampart]

Doesn't it though? I'm very excited to see this, because it shows the potential for future seasons! The sky is the limit!

Not to mention all the outfits look banger. I know the devs have got to be super excited as well. 😄 They are really showing their talents. It looks so vastly different from what we have now. It's going to be so interesting seeing the bow and sword in action.

[quick coyote]

More collabs or anime stuff when?

[strange slate]

embark, please don't make terminal main ranked, do it like double ranked, like standard and terminal. make two rank systems for that. i think a lot of people guess that terminal attack as main ranked bad as fk idea

[keen skiff]

hopefully there is a way for lights to somewhat counteract this (maybe allowing them to use evasive dash during the stun?), seeing as speed is lights main perk while having over 2x less health. besides, heavy already has goo gun to slow players down. otherwise I might have to become a heavy main myself 👀

[clear flint]

https://chng.it/kkmtrMNFmN IF YOU WANT NO MORE TERMINAL ATTACK RANKED SIGN THIS PETITION. LETS BAN THESE EVIL EMBARK CROOKS.

[azure cradle]

The bomb defusal format just doesn’t really work for the identity of The Finals, especially since the game was built off of “reaching The Finals” you climb up the ladder and in the tournaments match to match was that ladder, in a bout of terminal attack rounds there is no sense of upwards scaling, just the same teams clashing again.
I love The Finals, it’s why I’m defending the tournament mode as the ranked format. The defuse layout simply wasn’t what the game was marketed or sold as in the years leading up to release. It strips the game of its very best and most unique qualities and emulsifies them into an easily digestible and just as much easy to put down gameplay loop separated from the identity of the game.

[patent wind]

Ahem. Heres my piece if anyone reads it. Why cant we just have both? Ranked TA, and Ranked tourney. Make it like overwatch where you have a different rank for each mode. And guess what? For the hardcore players thats double the stuff to grind! Then just remove a casual mode to make space or actually start marketing and fill the empty games with new people. Anyway thats it bye.

[patent summit]

You're not going to pull players away from CS/Val/Siege with TA being the only ranked mode. They'll hop over, see that its clearly a game mode dropped into a game built for something else, tell their friends "ranked is shit" and then just go back. It's just made The Finals look like another shallow, clout chasing, copy cat game. If the accessibility of cash out is making it hard to onboard new players, make that easier. Further improve the tutorial, teach the player whats going on, some surface level strats with steals, what third partying is, how to fight it, etc. And make some tweaks to the spawns and flow in cashout to try and prevent the more furstrating sitations.

This just scorns the current player base and the new one will come in and see you tried to pull a fast one on'em and bounce. This will just turn The Finals legacy from something doing something new to another chaser.

[gilded wigeon]

KEEP CASHOUT TOURNAMENT AS THE MAIN RANKED GAME MODE

[stark notch]

with the new rank change the devs are begging people to stop playing and switch to xdefiant at this point

[winter wing]

Rip the finals. It’s called the finals. I want to play cash out until the final round. Who wants to play terminal attack for ranked. Unreal

[patent sphinx]

YappE

[sick stag]

Exactly, if their reason of replacing tournamnet with TA is to attract people that are from 5v5 search and destory game like CS/Val/Siege

It is not gonna work. If they have other plan and reason, we need to know, we deserve to know.

The Finals, like many people had said already, is about getting to "the final round". And that I rarely seen in any other game, that is what the game great.

[novel crow]

NO TA RANKED

[sonic hearth]

problem with cashout is that it's too complicated for casual players and too RNG/frustrating for competitive ones. It also screws with class balancing, light being unable to play near cashouts while shields and healing are indispensable altogether.

TA can be seen as a thinly veiled attempt at capturing the CS/Valo playerbase, and knowing Nexon it probably is lol. But at the same time Cashout is fundamentally incompatible with competitive play and way too complicated for casual players. At this point in Finals' lifespan it's do or die.

i'm optimistic about the shift but it's understandably alienating to the current playerbase

[trim ginkgo]

Can we just get rid of the taser

[jagged cedar]

new csgo update leakhttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1213275551612149850/1213290346176446504/gamba_1.gif?ex=6664ff30&is=6663adb0&hm=fc1c9426d4885dfa46f17fab3e542280066bf363d65a6389a83202efcce9d673&

[gaunt hedge]

Except it’s not rng. The balance of the game is the only issue and it’s such an ez fix.

They need to keep the cashout mode the way it is as the main competitive mode

[runic harness]

yeah nerfing healing beam and heavy in general would do wonders

[stuck forum]

I’ve said that developing a “nemesis” spin would help. Two teams are marked as a “nemesis” to the other two, and you get additional cash for team wiping the other. Like DAMN I can’t think I’ve ever seen anyone wanting what was just announced.

[unique wasp]

Honestly, at this point in Finals' lifespan, I can't see people turning around and making it their main game. Maybe in the live service ecosystem a consistent playerbase of around 15k isn't enough and it's doomed to sunset if it doesn't pump up the numbers, but I feel as though trying to trade your smaller, established playerbase for a different, larger one in the middle of the game's lifespan is just kind of a doomed endeavor if that's actually the goal, which I'd like to hope it isn't.

Like, that's something you do with the marketing push of a new game, something like Titanfall dumping most of the movement from 2 to Apex or a fighting game pushing one button special moves. I've never heard of a shift like that being successful via update.

[still yoke]

Delete sniper from the game

[sharp adder]

I feel like the shift can work especially if cashout tournaments are still a thing in a competitive sense and still gives good rewards. The biggest issues I've noticed with cashout is that no matter how hard our team plays its always more effective to rat and 3rd party which just isn't fun.

[tame quest]

Delete Terminal Attack from the game.

[tame tendon]

terminal attack is good

[upper citrus]

Literally wouldn’t be an issue if they just kept both as separate ranked modes

And before anyone says “they did,” they didn’t. The new tournament format has limited loadouts and is locked to a single map per week. As well as not actually being ranked and just having a ladder based on total cash

[trim cipher]

Can we have a membership in game that gives you extra skins for like 15$ a month pls

[harsh panther]

Despite all the negative feedback this game has gotten recently
I just wanted to appreciate how even though this game has been a mess, the different gameplay flow and no two games being the same thing has kept me playing and having a lot of fun

This is one of the best shooters I’ve played in a long while and even if they fuck up ranked I’ll still gladly keep having fun and going along for the ride

[blissful onyx]

realest

[upper saddle]

This is going to be lost in the flood of game feedback so, let's hope an Embarker takes notice before it's buried forever.

Ranked Tournaments should remain as they are HOWEVER Ranked TA should be a second way to play ranked, seperate ranks with the same rewards, world tour sounds nice but doesn't provide the same rewards. consider making world tour a sort of 'solo q' tournament mode since we've been desperately needing that as well for the solo players among us. let's say we hit Ruby in Ranked Tournaments? Great! Amazing, You get all the same rewards as if You hit Ruby in Ranked TA however, if You so desire now You can go rank up in TA as well without effecting Your ranked Tournament rank. I think this is the best way to go about these changes.

[uneven prism]

i m just wondering how does embark manage to self sabotage them with every thing they do

[true field]

Surely no matter what side you’re on, anything that divides the fan base this much can’t be good for the game, right?

[sonic spoke]

My guess.. not enough of a player pool coming out of season 2. We will get there though.

[quick coyote]

Maybe TA should have been capped at gold and you have different rewards for it also

[subtle saddle]

i will certainly miss Cashout being THE flagship gamemode of The Finals. Its original and above all thats the reason i play this game. brand new gamemode. brand new gameplay.

Terminal attack is cool and i dont want to devalue the hard work that was gone into developing it- but bomb defusal isnt what the core community was here for. It just isnt "The Finals" You cant "Reach The Finals" in terminal attack. No offense but there are soo many bomb defusal oriented games that are already more fleshed out+balanced for this type of thing. I really hope this is just exploration and not something you guys are set on come Season 4. 🙏

I think cashout just needed some tuning. not to be metaphorically tossed aside

[stray ocean]

LMFAOOOOO

[merry prism]

Dude, if they keep this change I might quit

[novel crow]

NO TA RANKED

[crystal umbra]

Not Happy about terminal attack being the ONLY tournament mode...

Hopefully there are some changes to the mode...

[limber dirge]

i am a finals enjoyer since open beta and played the game with my friends so much that it became our main game. i was so hyped for season 3 because finally new content and everything hinted to japan as the new location, and damn, i love japan. after seeing kyoto in the trailer, i was stunned. the new gadgets and weapons looked amazing and exciting to test.
but holy i got confused after seeing "New ranked mode" in the trailer. this gotta be a joke right, i thought.
heck i even joined the discord for this, try to find if this is confirmed or not. why on earth are u guys putting terminal attack as the main ranked mode? i really didn't like it and only played it for the cosmetic rewards. i was really glad to never play this mode again after i finished the 14 games or whatever. i mean, this is obviously a subjective opinion, but to me it doesn't fit the game at all. the whole premise is to reach the final, right? but thats not my problem with this terminal attack mode, it always felt like it was still in development because it felt really unbalanced and really restricted in the options how u can achieve to win. but that's totally fine because it's supposed to be a fun, limited-time mode where developers can experiment with the options the game has to offer and the playerbase can have a fresh, new experience. but sadly as a main mode, it's not for me. i feel like u build up a core audience for the game only to now scare them away? i dont understand. thats like if league of leagends decides to do ARAM as their main ranked mode, can u imagine how confused the whole playerbase would be?
i really enjoyed the climp to diamond. there were some meta shifts here and there which is great to see and a genuine care for the game. i was really hoping that the game would blow up and get more recognition because me and my friends enjoyed it so much, but the current decision making really disappoints me. now im not sure anymore if ill continue to play this game in the long run.

[lone grove]

If you have a ps5 dual sense edge and need steam to use paddles it disables aim assist. I get configs being an issue but not remapping. Wish it could be fixed.

[cursive warren]

I just hate TA, not only because it is a copy/paste of all modern shooters trying to appeal to a massive audience and I get it, this game won't grown up in numbers if they don't appeal to more audience.
But you need a whole lot more of team coordination compared to cashout and that is asking A LOT for someone on soloQ.
As some of you said, Cashout is the main mode for this game, it is what make the difference between this game that I love and the rest of other FPS out there and it became my main game because of it.

[shrewd tundra]

glad people are happy about terminal attack if you like that game mode, but for me and many other people the original gamemode is what brought me to this game, iv spent around 530 hours + 200 hours in the closed and open beta, playing the main mode in ranked and TA doesnt feel like the finals in my opinion, i have also spent money on this game so if they focus too hard on TA then ill be sadge as that money has been wasted as i think the main game mode is what the finals should be, it feels like you guys may be just chasing what other games are doing instead of focusing on what the game was originally, if the ranked mode for cashout stays then thats good, ill keep playing, but if you the devs rlly think TA is the vision for the finals then so be it, ill just stop playing and spending money on a different game.

[subtle sinew]

Terminal Attack - no money, character is possibly fined by MultiCorp for hacking the show
Cashout - UP TO $80,000 A MATCH!!!! BIG BUCK$$$!! WE'RE RICH!! 🤑
The choice is clear.... I want the big money. Keep the big money mode as ranked

[trim ginkgo]

Can we have it where you can Only use the Taser with a melee weapon being Like Knife/sword because Its killing me that you guys let it slide with a gun that basically kills you fully Oh and makes no better that you give dash with the taser on top of that.

[finite briar]

something else to add on. Now it will be much harder to get the 50 million dollars cashed in achievement as ranked tournament was the fastest way to do this

[unreal quail]

omg you guys are not hap

[short canopy]

yeah cause its a dumb move for only an attempt to try and enter a market they arent designed to enter. we came here for the cash baby

[fading sandal]

wahhhh wahhh TA is “the” ranked mode now, there’s literally the new tourney mode that has different rank badges or whatever i don’t remember the specifics but people were complaining it only goes up to gold, like maybe right now it does but they’re literally adding a ruby rank so who’s to say they aren’t going to add more to world tourneys or whatever it is. also people complaining about the finals losing the “game show” flair or whatever and complaining about the different set load outs and stuff but i feel like that makes it more like a game show like how they have weekly challenges to their competitions and also you will literally be able to win multi bucks so it sounds like tourneys are even more game show-esque to me personally. besides we don’t even have full details on the season specifics, so many people overreacting to the brand new IP developing and doing new things

[remote meadow]

This is the post people need to read. The only reason any of my friends give me for why they wont play the finals is they don't like Cash out. Its Complicated and third party heavy. When they do log on all we play is TA. This might just bring in and hold a lot of new players. Personally id love to see both as ranked options, maybe even make TA a best of 5 rounds, bracket tournament so we can still reach THE FINALS!

[patent sphinx]

Hello

[rigid vessel]

TA as THE only ranked mode is the worst step the finals ever took

it will kill ur game more than anything

[proven ibex]

💯 And ThE Finals won't be The Finals anymore, they must change their game name. I bought bp and store everytime only to support the devs coz ranked tournaments is enough for me too keep busy and I couldn't get more of it no matter how many hours I play. Some tournaments could really become adrenaline pumped action with intense play and it's worth every penny I'm spending. If they make TA only the ranked then I'm out for sure and I'm sure all my (only few playing after so many left) friends won't even touch this game.

[lofty veldt]

imo they have tried to do best of both ways with tournaments moving to world tour thing and TA being ranked. I dont see a problem with this and im certainly not gonna cry about it before I have chance to play the thing. Also these devs listen to the feedback so maybe try the update out first and give your feedback and if its enough people they will for sure revert it, they have proven that much.

[golden harbor]

Yeah, completely agree. The finals had a completely different feel with its gamemodes. It was having problems with its player base but it was expected as it is making a new niche in the TDM and Search and Destroy filled fps category. Now with this change The Finals becomes another copypaste fps Game with a small playerbase

Embark need to add different gamemodes to ranked, but making TA the principal ranked Game mode is just no it. It will completely change the Game

[ember sparrow]

buff light or nerf heavys

[cerulean musk]

Guys, maybe we'll get a better version than the boring TA we currently have for casual players. Perhaps in Season 3, we'll have health regeneration, intense fights like in Cashout, etc. But if they release a copy of Valorant and CS2... well, I'll leave the game too (even though it's the game I love the most since its release and I have over 600 hours on it). I really don't want to play slow and boring games like Valorant 😴

[subtle oak]

I don’t know how I feel about the Terminal Attack gamemode as ranked. Its already bad enough solo queueing and getting 2 randoms, now its going to be 4 randoms. It’s also a mode that I just played to get the cosmetics because it was slow and less enjoyable to play than the cash out gamemode. If I look at the discord it looks like a lot of people are unhappy with the ranked change. Will have to see how it plays out in season 3 but my expectations are low, this doesn’t seem like a necessary or a good change.

[fast flare]

^

[royal gust]

Have around 40-50 friends in regular tournament who will instantly quit with me if ya’ll go full terminal attack in ranked. We all never/sporadically played terminal attack

[shrewd tundra]

then why do people play apex legends or overwatch or rainbow or fortnite etc, those games are just as confusing with so many abilities and things happening, its called learning. if you want to play cs or valorant or those other games THEN GO PLAY THOSE OTHER GAMES, this game was unique and brought a new game mode that felt fresh and was awesome to learn and get good at. the ranked mode was fine where it was after the changes they did + the new ranked mode i was hoping to see in this new season, if people dont want to play ranked cashout thats their problem at not learning how to get good at a gamemode, again learning. what they could have done is just kept cashout ranked and i and many other people wouldnt be getting mad at embark right now, but instead they want to remove the most important part of the finals which in my opinion doesnt make any sense, the only sense i can think is money, as embark is struggling meeting their financial goals for nexon. when this season releases we will all see how this goes, if its good then cool but if its not then this game is gonna die or maybe people will love it and the game will explode and become this amazing popular game that nexon is thinking it will be instead of letting the game grow with its original mode.

[cursive warren]

Man, don't want to be disrespect or anything, I get your point that you want to play with your friends, have some simple fun without trying to break your brain or fingers afterwork/school.
But hell, if you and your friends want to play something like TA then play Valorant or CS.
Cashout is THE GAMEMODE that make me choose this game, it is really unique unlike the others shooters out there.
I really want that this game boost their numbers, but not at the expense of losing their originality.

[opaque oyster]

wtf R U thinkin embark? u just turn a demolition-like mode into the ranked mode which can be found in EVERY SINGLE MTFKIN FPS in the world. there are tons of shooters out there with the better design of this kind of mode and u just choose to replace ur core mode with this shit? this isnt what finals players want and TA is a failure from the very beginning😅

[timber crescent]

I am so excited for the new season but i hate to have a bitter feeling about it knowing that terminal attack will be the new ranked. I have many many issues with it (which i wont get into), but I just wanted to say that cash out is incredibly fun and special, i love it to death, so unique and there is SO MUCH depth and strategy to it i cannot express how good it is. Honestly, i trust the devs fully and i know they will do what is right for the game. I just cant get over the idea of professional esport tournaments in the cashout tournament mode.. it sounds so incredibly entertaining. all in all, i feel cash out makes the game special and represents the uniqueness that this game is and terminal attack pales in comparison

[smoky hearth]

ta ranked is a stupid idea

[tropic swift]

Cashout is a better mode than TA for ranked please revert it

[tropic kettle]

TA ranked is fine. But why does that mean Cashout tournament ranked has to be thrown on the side burner? Makes 0 sense. Just have ranked of both modes . Really doesn't seem like fing rocket science

[low stump]

KEEP CASHOUT TOURNAMENT AS THE MAIN RANKED GAME MODE

[quick coyote]

did they even confirm that TA was replacing the main tournament mode?

[odd ibex]

Add chainsaw for heavy with a charging attack and a heavy swing attack
Add kusarigama to medium,it’s got chain and blade for range melee

Make rpg have a laser sight and make it very visible so we can prepare to deal with it and u have to aim down sight to fire so it’s balanced

How about a healing dart for lights as a gadget with a little boost of health so this will make light a bit more useful in ranked and it’s not auto-aim healing beam plus u have to be accurate IT GIVES MORE HEALTH WHEN TEAMMATE HEALTH LOW and have grapple hook stuck to walls whenever for ambush and improve grapple hook inertia physics for players.

Give dagger a downwards thrust with 80-100 damage depending on how high u charge it when falling.

Add automatic crossbow for heavy and have it climbable when stuck to walls.

Have different game balance for causal and ranked causes different audience causes back and forth balances.

We have problem with dagger hit register as it only work after dash finishes but people run away at the last moment,just make it work a few milliseconds earlier.

[eternal lily]

Why can’t there just be 2 ranked modes. One is terminal attack and the other is cash out. With different rank rewards for each, this causes no issues imo👍

[rancid urchin]

Don't put ta as ranked,the name of the game is the finals not csgo wtf.We play ranked cuz we want sweats we don't care about weekly tournaments just keep the game as it is

[shrewd egret]

6 months for doing that, you juste killed the finals, give it back our the finals

[earnest sierra]

embark is cooking the whole multi-player FPS industry with this trailer alone🔥🔥🔥

[gloomy field]

Terminal attack is a good game mode to have on its own, but changing the ranked system away from what makes this game unique doesn't really make sense to me. I get that there might not be enough people to have both ranked modes up and have queue times be fast, but it's not okay to change the very core of the game that we already enjoy just to become another cs-style game

[next mortar]

This announcement was a disaster... and im speaking on behalf of dozens of content creators

[short canopy]

The issue is the dedicated playerbase for this game is here for a unique mode and if they just give us a knockoff cs/val we will just all migrate back to those. Embark needs to realize we are here for a unique comp experience, not a copy. It is clear it is a weird attempt to grab players which will ultimately flop and lose th etrust of the deciated players

[subtle saddle]

PEOPLE WANT UNIQUE GAMES. THERE ARE SO MANY BOMB DEFUSAL GAMES THAT ARE MORE BALANCED AND MORE FOCUSED

[lean sandal]

@pearl kiln People have been playing Counter Strike for 20 years. Please don't make another bomb game. That's all I wanted to say. Thank you.

[daring siren]

gankfest ranked cashout is not the 'unique' mode that the game needs, its practically tdm and outright removes a class from the equation because of its fundamentals of defense being better than attack.

[pallid jetty]

Here is my suggestion for game modes in Season 3

Casual Modes

• Cashout, Quick Cash, Bank It, Power Shift

Ranked Modes

• Tournament (cashout)
• Terminal Attack

World Tour

• Rotates weekly between all modes with special themes and events

[remote meadow]

Embark listens to the community, if this change is a flop id be willing to bet they revert the changes or make both Ranked by midseason patch. they aren't going to kill the game by making ranked a more accessible game mode. Honestly though, i hope the result of all this is that we get both.

[young rapids]

This, please. It fixes everyone's problems.

[oak raven]

gonna add my voice to the crowd and say don't remove ranked tournament please. having more experimental ranked modes like terminal attack is fine but put them in a separate ladder with unique rewards. ranked tournament is the absolute core of the game and should not be removed at any cost. Removing key playlists like this isn't sustainable. to add on to this i believe in you guys and know that you are unique in always listening to the community unlike other studios. keep ranked tournament as it is! I love that mode. :)

[olive wraith]

Eh, it has a good chunk of issues that need to be fixed, but overall you are correct.

[carmine thistle]

Again Better keep the consistency of Highest rank achieved is the reward you're getting at the end of the season
I wanna play the game but I'm not trying to sweat my life away trying to keep ruby.

[pallid pelican]

Did they confirm that terminal attack would fully replace tournaments? The trailer just said “new ranked mode” not “ranked replacement” I think it’ll be fine. It was marked as a competitive mode even now for some reason, so I don’t know why some of you are so surprised.

[honest minnow]

i think this game is poopoo

[drowsy rapids]

When did anyone say they're replacing anything.

[onyx loom]

DO NOT change ranked cash out for TA. Cash out is unique to the FPS genre and you are taking away the one thing that sets your game apart from all the others! The maps ARE NOT designed for TA nor are the gadgets IT WILL NOT WORK #KEEPCASHOUTRANKED

[dense imp]

#KEEPCASHOUTRANKED

[jaunty cloud]

I played valorant some months before the finals came out in december and it wasn't what I was looking for, I was probably bad at it but the casual matches felt competitive and not fun at all (at least for me, is still a good game). Then, the finals came out and it felt actually fun and different, I haven't played a fps that actually feels fun, even in it's actual rankeds (it has it's problems, we all know that), the cashout game mode made it so dynamic and made players move trough destructible buildings and explosive environments, I mean, who doesn't enjoy that? TA is good game mode but it reminds me playing valorant (I prefer ranked tournament) they simply needed to place both modes in ranked, I don't know why they decided to split the community even more after the casual and competitive argument

[proven ibex]

WELCOME TO THE TERMINAL ATTACK

[green aspen]

Ranked cashout and World Tour TA. That's it.

[swift laurel]

taking the finals out of the finals was not a change i was expecting, ive spent the last few weeks telling people ranked will get better that you guys will finally add quantifiable numbers that actually show feedback and here we are changing ranked to an entirely different gamemode, i wish i liked ta but i dont so i guess i just wont play the game anymore (i play ranked 90% of the time) unless this change is reverted, ggs guys

[rose nacelle]

I'm just gonna leave my grain of sand here, I don't know if the devs will actually read it but I do think replacing Cashout for Terminal Attack is the wrong move.
Okay, Nexon might not like the numbers you're pulling, and that's understandable. But Cashout is part of the core identity, and it utilizes all the gameplay loops that The Finals is built around.
Terminal Attack deliberately strips many aspects of gameplay to even make it viable to function, that's not The Finals identity, that's stripping its core for a bland product.

Keep the game being The Finals, don't strip it for a knock-off.
#KeepCashoutRanked

@vapid crystal It's removing regular Ranked for TA and adding a "world tour" weekly ranked with Cashout that only goes to Gold.

[vapid crystal]

Blind gamers in this chat not seeing that TA is being added and not replacing ranked

[kindred spire]

Until the last moment, I will hope that they will change their mind about deleting the classic rating, otherwise you can leave the game. The main uniqueness of the game and the dynamics are absolutely lost in terminal attacks, it's not interesting. I was waiting for them to make informed decisions at such a difficult time for online, and this.....
You can't make two rating modes to please both the core audience and the newly arrived players.

[subtle oak]

I think I have seen 1 positive comment about TA as ranked amongst the hundreds of people that don’t want it.

[dark niche]

honestly i dont care if TA becomes ranked or not as long as we get a skin for flamethrower in the battle pass im happy
love the flamethrower

[harsh gorge]

No TA for ranks!!!

[tropic kettle]

Bro the literal definition of competition is just trying to win something so like. What does "literally more competitive" even mean? I'd argue that when you are competing against 3 other teams of 3, vs 1 other team of 5, that the 3 teams of 3 would be MORE competitive. You know, since you are literally competing against more enemies and more teams for the same prize. Too much shit outside your control making you lose? Like what? Like someone playing the game smarter than you are?

[low stump]

#KEEPCASHOUTRANKED

[warped rivet]

Game is cooked. Original idea of the game was so fun but it has been fumbled so badly. What is the game even supposed to be balanced around now?? Cheaters in competitive TA are going to be even worse than cheaters in ranked tourney.

[gloomy field]

I have faith that our lord and savior Oscar will return to us from the great mount olympus and birth to us the flames of ranked cashout once more

[icy temple]

I do like TA from time to time, but it's not why i hop on the finals. idk if I want the main mode to be the same ol tactical shooter. It reminds me of the BR game Ring of Elysium, that had unique ideas but eventually became unrecognizable and turned into a PUBG clone....and eventually died.

Cashout is what makes the Finals unique. I understand Embark views TA as a more competitive game mode, but let us have both at least. Apex has Arenas and Battle Royale ranked. Embark let us keep Bank It, so let us keep the two ranked modes please.

[hard magnet]

First of all: Keep cashout as a game mode, it is what got me into the finals and is a big part as to why i'd like to stay
second: allow swapping classes between rounds of terminal attack, or at the very least swapping classes when switching from attacker to defender sides.

[full dragon]

I love TA and am happy that it's getting ranked. But, don't remove ranked Cashout, have them both. If anything, time will tell which is more popular / successful.

[twin slate]

BRO LMME ASK YOU ONE THING EMBARK, FIX MATCHMAKING + RANK SYSTEM, IF ONE OF THE TEAMMATE DOESNT DO ANYTHING, DEMOTE THEY'RE RANK THEY'RE FUCKING USELESS

[shrewd tundra]

yeah like terminal attack can be a good mode for players and brings in new players and thats what embark wants so nexon can be happy but removing the main ranked mode in cashout is just so odd and out of the blue, did not expect embark to do this at all, i dont know what discussion they had and all agreed that removing the ranked cashout mode was a good idea, it just doesnt make sense

[sly knot]

I rarely even played TA but it’ll bring more ppl to the game with a ranked mode then cashout did. It’s also a test and if it fails I’m sure they’ll go back to cashout being the main focus.

[valid prism]

I don't lie to myself and say I like cashout like the rest of you do, I guess that's the difference

[turbid hull]

I love TA and am happy that it's getting ranked. But, don't remove ranked Cashout, have them both.
Plz Nexon or embark change that

And TA as a wrong translation in french it written "attaque terminal" but the correct translation is "attaquez le terminal"

[rough herald]

DOOR STUCK!! I BEG YOU

[severe geyser]

game is griefed. am done

[warped fable]

Please don't make ranked Terminal Attack only. That's so trash. We need cashout again!!!

[true field]

SAVE MY GUY CASHOUT

[slow flax]

^^^

[brazen fox]

Remember y'all the community has a petition to revert the ranked change. I say LET BOTH COEXIST!! We do not want COD, Val, CS2 all over again our pro/comp scene should be so much more.

[supple furnace]

I believe keeping two ranked paths for Cash Out and Terminal would be the smartest move. Many fell in love with your game prior to Terminal’s introduction and it would be unwise to alienate those fans.

[short oracle]

I know the bow is not out yet, but can we get an acessibility option for it to enable toggle instead of hold?
like, instead of having to hold the button to charge it, can we have it a toggle and a second press to release it?

[tender minnow]

The identity, uniqueness, the reason so many people play it are all based on the cashout mode and its the thing that seperates it from other but you just had to fold and make the ranked generic, bland TA like who tf asked breh ☠️

[barren marsh]

Please don't make ranked Terminal Attack only. That's so trash. We need cashout again!!!

[crystal umbra]

Sooo... I think terminal attack should have a HUGE explosion or a big EMP wave at the end of a successful plan.

Just to add a lil razzle dazzle to the game mode.

I'm imagining a building I'm Monaco getting liquidated.

[proper barn]

Leave terminal attack in for a season while you fix cashout so that it's fair. Fix spawns, add role lock, balance gadgets (RPG mainly) AND add cash bleed from cashouts so that if you get 3rd partied you still get rewarded for holding the cashout.

[grave yarrow]

Remove the stun claw. or at least nerf flamethrower and sledgehammer. cause you can very much do some unneeded wacky bullshit. (Swearing neccesary)

[strong escarp]

tbh, I would've taken role lock over everything that's happening now.

[gritty umbra]

ate they replacing ranked with terminal? i thought they were just asking it to the playlist. either way i do recall multiple threads in this disc asking for terminal in ranked specifically

[olive wraith]

this channel is the exact reason the game is dying. you can all see that around 50 others have already complained about the ta being the only ranked mode now, sweet, they'll see it. GIVER ACTUAL FEEDBACK NOW PLZ

[edgy urchin]

we need gambling W update

[green vector]

Embark should:
Keep Ranked Cashout Tournaments
Implement Terminal Attack Tournaments as an additional ranked mode
Combine Cashout, Terminal Attack, and Powershift into World Tour to make it a test of skill across all gamemodes and variants instead of just Cashout

This...
...Lets the current dedicated playerbase grind ranked in the way it's always been
...Lets new players and those who enjoy Terminal Attack grind ranked the way they would like to play
...Gives World Tour more variety and lets it stand out as a "playlist" of sorts with it's own, more casual-- yet still competitive-- progression system.

remember to send THIS MESSAGE and react to it if its already in chat and posted recently!

[dusty berry]

Embark: You should make rank a game mode where there are 9 teams of 3 in knockouts, how the rules work will be if your cash machine gets stolen then your team gets eliminated. almost like a battle royale down to where the final teams left have to battle it out to take the final terminal. this encourages lights to infiltrate other enemies defence, heavy's to set up defensive support on their own terminal and mediums to assist either with support or set traps for their base.
this could also indicate other teams which terminals are being breached leading to the understanding that other terminals may be left defenceless
and a countdown would rotate leading to teams having to find new terminals throughout the match to defend.
respawns should be welcomed like the original modes as well.

I hope you do take time to read this advice as I feel this would encourage more players to use other builds, faster paced matches that create intensive moments and a good team experience throughout communication.

P.S.... As a casual I play bank it a lot but a game mode like I described above would turn mean into a competitive player in this game as the game mechanic is fun matches becomes stale when you're out of the action for long.

[limber ingot]

ta ranked is hella dumb, i dont want to play cs or valo i wanna play the finals, good job burying your game

[neon rune]

People have been giving actual feedback. Everyone is hyped for the new season and map, as well as the weapons. They fucking cooked this update and as a sword enjoyer i can't wait for the epic duels in my future. I ultimately really enjoyed my climb to diamond. My heart is absolutely broken that cashout-style ranked tournaments will be locked to a seperate, weekly occasion..

I'm still going to enjoy this season either way. But TA is not The Finals.. it's just another bomb defusal gamemode. It's been done already. I fell in love with this game because it was unique, and don't get me wrong it still is, but TA just isn't the right decision for the main ranked mode.

[turbid hull]

TA as a wrong translation in french it written "attaque terminal" but the correct translation is "attaquez le terminal"
And I love TA and am happy that it's getting ranked. But, don't remove ranked Cashout, have them both.
Plz Nexon or embark change that

[twin slate]

ALSO FUCKING EMBARKS @dense gulch @dusty zodiac OR WHOEVER DONT FUCKING REMOVE RANKED CASHOUT, TERMINAL ATTACK SUCKS!

[eager gyro]

@dense gulch @dusty zodiac

[slender pendant]

Why adding LTM mode to the ranked at the first place. Where is logic in that?

Edit
@pseudo relic if people "liked" that doesn't mean devs should add it to the ranked playlist. Devs should not listen to noobs who dont even play ranked

[pseudo relic]

People really like Ta so,

[sage sapphire]

Terminal attack will be sick as a ranked game mode. But GETTING RID OF CASHOUT RANKED does make me sick of living tbh

[half owl]

Embark say to me, Did the Nexon make you to do that? 😭
Why did you kill the game.

[shrewd tundra]

you do know that we are humans right? we all like different things right? im not you, i like that game mode, woah ikr crazy, woah you like terminal attack? good for you

[tawdry tree]

Yeah, I mean, can't they do a cashout ranked and a TA ranked gamemode ? Feels weird to see an original gamemode getting toasted assid, cashout is why we all started to play the Finals

[valid prism]

It's just really weird how I heard all these complaints about balance, about spawns, about whatever else and all of a sudden cashout is perfect now and needs to come back

[arctic pumice]

Yeah i agree

[strong parcel]

i personally think that the mode terminal attack is pretty cool in this game, but keeping the OG cashout tournament as ranked is probably for the best.
maybe there should be different ranked stats and leaderboards for it?
thinking of it as a 'sub catagory' in ranked, keeping people as happy as before, and adding something extra for the tryhards between us.

[oblique notch]

Embark should:
Keep Ranked Cashout Tournaments
Implement Terminal Attack Tournaments as an additional ranked mode
Combine Cashout, Terminal Attack, and Powershift into World Tour to make it a test of skill across all gamemodes and variants instead of just Cashout

This...
...Lets the current dedicated playerbase grind ranked in the way it's always been
...Lets new players and those who enjoy Terminal Attack grind ranked the way they would like to play
...Gives World Tour more variety and lets it stand out as a "playlist" of sorts with it's own, more casual-- yet still competitive-- progression system.

(Only send this message if it hasn't been sent in a while and there are new people in chat, otherwise it gets incredibly repetitive and annoying very quickly)

[upbeat gulch]

Distraught at the season 3 news that ranked cashout is replaced with terminal attack and that more melee weapons are being introduced to an fps game.

[merry creek]

Wow this game is mismanaged so badly.

Gotta be the only game that can spend $250k on a hype advert for them just to enrage 70/80% of the core player base.... Prior to watching the season 3 release trailer I was excited and eager to play... now I'm dreading it and praying it's not as bad as its been made to seem

[misty jasper]

Please make both a cashout and TA ranked mode.. I do not want to have to find a 5-stack for rankn

[real crow]

please dont replace ranked with terminal attack, i honestly personally never touched that gamemode, i wouldnt want to have to play it in ranked

[signal basin]

What happens to the sound in this game ?!

[unique slate]

PLEASE do not replace cashout with TA, you are killing your loyal fan base

[tired ibex]

https://chng.it/7vFncM7QSm

[cold lotus]

embark please chill out with melee weapons if we wanted to play mortal combat we would fucking buy it

[wind copper]

Why not do it like in TFT, there are casual modes(e.g. double up) but they just added ranks to them to make people feel some progression.

[nimble kiln]

Please make it so cashout ranked and terminal attack ranked are seperate

[gritty umbra]

speak for yourself I'm boutta cut throats in the new update

[somber whale]

guys guys chill chill it is fine to have 2 ranked modes but don't attack them we all want the game to work out , but please be nice

[toxic lagoon]

please keep 2 different game mode ranks plz....

[odd ibex]

Add chainsaw for heavy with a charging attack and a heavy swing attack
Add kusarigama to medium,it’s got chain and blade for range melee

Make rpg have a laser sight and make it very visible so we can prepare to deal with it and u have to aim down sight to fire so it’s balanced

How about a healing dart for lights as a gadget with a little boost of health so this will make light a bit more useful in ranked and it’s not auto-aim healing beam plus u have to be accurate IT GIVES MORE HEALTH WHEN TEAMMATE HEALTH LOW and have grapple hook stuck to walls whenever for ambush and improve grapple hook inertia physics for players.

Give dagger a downwards thrust with 80-100 damage depending on how high u charge it when falling.

Add automatic crossbow for heavy and have it climbable when stuck to walls.

Have different game balance for causal and ranked causes different audience causes back and forth balances.

We have problem with dagger hit register as it only work after dash finishes but people run away at the last moment,just make it work a few milliseconds earlier.

[junior wharf]

I'm actually so mad that embark did this I understand that ta was bringing people into the game but doing this has actually ruined the game for me I played the finals for something different and something that is faster pace but not battle royal and I just feel that all the trust I put into the devs via investing hundreds of hours and dollars has been broken I really disappointed and pray that we have both gamemodes and even if we do they have once again divided the community meaning that the game will be almost impossible to balance and I'm genuinely thinking about just going back to valorant or finding a new game and I'm not doing this to shit on the game devs they have treated us amazingly but I feel betrayed and would like to express my feelings to embark as a member of the community

[tiny karma]

wdym that you're removing cashout ranked

[rough herald]

embark please stop listening to the whiners, ya'll are being too nice to them

[stoic marten]

Wow that is SUCH a great idea 💡 !!!!!!! I saw your really cool idea involving NFTs for The Finals and wanted to know how much you have invested in the game 😄 I was wanting to know if it's worth the money, and how much, to back so that we can keep getting really cool ideas added to the game 🧠

[ashen stream]

https://chng.it/7vFncM7QSm

[keen shoal]

Thanks devs for working hard cooking these massive updates maps every time
We going to Japan with this one 👨‍🦽🔥

[merry prism]

After thinking on it for awhile, I just want to say I still love this dev team, but I still really hope we get cashout ranked at the beggining of the season. This announcement came out of nowhere and kind of shocked and betrayed the community a little bit, and I think it's pretty unfair to take away the main gamemode of your game that people fell in love with and spent hundreds of hours improving at. Despite this I do think there's a world where the two modes can co-exist, and personally I'm hoping that's the path you go with.

[green matrix]

Everyone is going ham on here. My turn

Give light throwable ozpuze bottle. Aoe splash.

Makes friends go fast :]

[red echo]

Terrible decisions to change ranked mode

[untold meadow]

They have 1 week to change their minds before they ruin the game. The rank mode how it is right now is unique and none us want it like the other games. This isn't R6... This is The Finals!

[odd wasp]

embark what have you done. i loved this game i spent so much time on it just because it was diffrent. with this update you destroyed all the magic of this game. just make 2 ranked modes its that easy.

[floral plover]

EMBARK just want to let y’all know that season 3 looks really cool!!! You deserve ice cream !!!

[crystal cave]

This is the best game I’ve ever played in my entire life and I believe in it so much, unfortunately I’ve never been a fan of attack and defend in any game and I just pray you guys keep tournament. You guys created this beautiful game, please don’t kill it what makes it so special

[crystal umbra]

More than a responsible adult should be spending on a video game

[urban marsh]

We should wait for the live stream they announced to find out more about the game, tbh yah i m hyped about the new season with all the new stuff added to the game, but i also have mix feelings about the rank sistem

[quick coyote]

• Knockout rounds are inherently a mini-BR and have all of the negatives of BRs.
• Knockout rounds have a tempo to them, so yes you can mitigate 3rd parties, but that doesn't make it more competitive.
• If you're going to have three roles that aren't properly balanced, you need role lock.
• In a high TTK game, burst is king. That's why HH is the most consistent comp and why role lock is important.

I would have preferred Embark tried role lock for a season, and see how that panned out.
I would have preferred Embark tried 3v3 for Knockout rounds, and see how that panned out.
I would have preferred Embark tried 3v3 for Terminal Attack with 1x Terminal, and see how that panned out.

What we are getting is 5v5 high TTK where burst will remain king and I'm still going to give it a go before I make any decisions.

As for ranked Terminal Attack meta, HHHML will be the most consistent for obvious reasons, unless they removed burst damage.

[ivory pawn]

please dont make terminal attack main ranked