👂┇game-feedback

[pine raft]

remove sniper, antifun weapon and doesnt promote team or objective play at all

[reef jasper]

model 1887 nerf/adjustment

sh1900 buff/adjustment

revert cloak / test adjust to lower than 28% and higher than 15% for activation

role queue mode for solo players in ranked

[shrewd egret]

https://tenor.com/view/cheaters-shane-vendrell-walton-goggins-the-shield-deceivers-gif-26776443

[rose surge]

Revert the cloak nerf. There has been a pretty significant drop in player count since this update. I have over 300 hours in the game, but I just can't play it after this update. This is how you ruin a game: by alienating its biggest fans.

[hollow prawn]

More nerfs please!!!!!!

[light imp]

I mean, can we stop nerfing? every class is op = balanced game

[hollow badger]

buff my teamates

[violet elbow]

https://youtu.be/4rTNmXyyvAw?si=AliVgjvk4mscoLgK

very good Video on the current ranked/casual Situation and why your content creators and comp Players are leaving the game

[mortal kindle]

Actually advertise the game properly. It’s such a good game and everyone loves it. The community is small but everyone loves this game. Find some investors to fund your marketing. Do somethint, it’s too good and the game is slowly dying

[lime fern]

do some buff, not just something annoying and nerf

[worn oyster]

Game has been dead g

[lunar vault]

add a visual effect to lights when they're using thermal vision, something like a red glow on their eyes or something, people probably think im cheating when they run off invis and get perfectly beamed/chased down

[unique rune]

Can you guys add a heavy sniper with atleast 3 rounds for the heavy build because it lacks in Long range combat

And can we get servers in south africa everytime after I finish a game it takes forever to connect I even reinstalled it thinking it was a bug but it wasn't

[lapis oriole]

Give rank/leaderboard boost to console players for going against M&K matches

[plush grotto]

Wack

[solar citrus]

please fix the issue when my game crashes it sais 'I left' the game, and that's why I always lose famepoints.

[tawny forge]

for the love of god let us see what our rank is

[regal steeple]

while the game isn't perfect, i love all that the devs are doing. thank you for the hard work everyone.

[pastel python]

for the love of god let us find a game

[earnest sierra]

i too appreciate all the devs and they're trying everything to make this game better but there's some crucial problems with it and the devs is just not doing anything abt them for some reason

1- cheaters and changing the garbage current anti cheat
2-connection problems
3-marekting

every other single thing other than those really can be ignored or they can work on other things later but these 3 things are just killing the game slowly tbh i love this game so much and quitted warzone and bf for it but idk it's just so frustrating

[viral pulsar]

Hey i got a suggestion to get a large sum of players to stick around if they try this out
As we all know Embark has a handful of ex-battlefield developers in their ranks

A very fun gamemode that a large portion of player enjoyed in Battlefield, and im sure even more will enjoy in The Finals has a simple and very low effort modifier for all the standard game modes

HARDCORE MODE

Everyone's hp is reduced to 60%

[willow leaf]

Invis should just be removed it’s not fun to play against or play as.

[compact sleet]

So this how to save this game!! Rework the money system, As of now the meta is just to steal the cashout in the last 10 seconds while trying to wait for the 3rd party…. The team holding the cashout for 100 seconds or so can lost EVERYTHING in the last few seconds of the game even tho they had to fight off 6 different players just so the last team can come in fresh for the easy steal. This might be one the most frustrating parts of the game and why most players just get off the game after these scenarios….

THE FIX: cashouts takes 2mins to complete so the team holding the cashouts at EVERY 3rd of the time (40secs) should be rewarded with a 3rd of the total cash (10k = $3,333 every 40secs) this will fixed a lot of issues and fix the HHM meta cus speed would be way more useful because getting there and fast would be the 1st step to actually earning money! HHM is really powerful because they have 110 seconds to wait for that one full commitment with dbl bubble/dome and all the close range crap to make sure it works….. with this new system they will have to race again the clock and get to cashouts fast and take the fight ASAP because one team is actively earning money so the time will push the paste of the game and EVERY second counts!! As of now only the last 30secs of the game really matters becomes off these 22k/44k plays that don’t feel good at all…. It just comes down to cheese and bit of luck

King of the hill you points while you in the hill…. Not for being the last team in the hill at the last second smh…. SAME for domination and any of game mode with a OBJ when you think about….

Next thing make rank more impactful as of now it just feels like a pointless grind and a time sink…. Getting eliminated in the first round. Doesn’t feel bad at all cus you will get to Diamond as long as you play a lot and that sucks!! Also add more ranks! We need a master rank after diamond!!

DONT FORGET TO ADD A TOP 500-1000 RANK FOR THE SWEATS!! just call it “ Finalist” DUH 🙄

[hollow badger]

mines can go off if you touch them in spectator.

[brave copper]

Good idea. Not sure if it would truly change the Heavy and medium meta, though. I still think it would be a good change that would reward holding cashouts for a long time rather than last second plays.

[lapis oriole]

Maybe turn off crossplay and improve without taking advantage of console players?

I have to activate crossplay to find matches in NA PLAT (without it, it takes me 7 to 10 minutes), it's not surprising that most PC players always have it enabled to grow their KD and improve their rank, plus they have no trouble finding matches with crossplay disabled.

[plucky badger]

Day 25 advocating for the ability to hold right click on dagger and throwing knives

[plush grotto]

Using rollers is no excuse to be bad lmao

[unreal fossil]

I see what you're trying to suggest here, but honestly at 50-100 damage per hit, the RPG would barely chip off the paint of another Heavy, or a Medium even, making it useless.

I mainly play Heavy in ranked, RPG is a staple since S1, because it proves to be useful in many scenarios (not only combat).

Its cooldown time means you will only be able to fire it once per fight in most cases. You'll either win, lose or one of the teams will escape the fight before you get to shoot a second time. Against skilled teams that move quickly, make good use of cover, shields/heal/etc., the RPG is far from an instant "I win" button. Its AOE damage can weaken stacked teams, or may help finish off a low enemy, putting the team at a disadvantage. But you have to find the right window of opportunity to use it.

I understand the frustration when playing Light (which I also do in other game modes), but I've personally not been beamed by an RPG enough times to think that it needs further nerfing/change. No matter the class I play, I expect Heavies to use their RPG, and I've been able to dodge/seen it miss me many times.

If anything the GL40 is much more frustrating/dangerous for Lights than the RPG as it can be spammed again and again and again, and has the potential to kill Lights in 2-3 hits.

[tired oasis]

Learn to play without cloak 👀

[rose surge]

I'd rather just not play the game. Cloak light was the only playstyle I really enjoyed. It's back to Apex for me 😑

[cinder ridge]

😭😭😭 wtf light moment

[zenith prawn]

I've been playing since open Beta and running the cloak + stun treadmill 24/7, but now I think cloak needs to go - just like recon senses.
There just is no way to make it useful to the player AND not super unfun for the enemy. I realised this when playing powershift. I'm no pro, but Im do well at the game, I can play cloak+stun myself and deal with enemies on that setup. The problem is it's just extremely unfun in casual.

Why is it unfun?
This discussion was repeated so many times elsewhere.
Bottom line is, if the light's not brain-dead you won't keep them away from you unless you play suuuper sweaty and be tense all the time. Mb that's fine for esports, but it ain't what casuals are looking for and guess what? There can be a huge casual player count without a successful competitive scene. The other way around? Not so much. The chicken comes after the egg in this case.

Problem #2
It's not very team oriented. Yea you can benefit your team by killing enemies and so on, but that's indirect teamplay and all of that IF the light is even good to begin with. A medium is gonna heal you, a heavy shield you. Those help the team directly and can be done by a player with any skill level (albeit with different success). The lights kit generally lacks tem utility, which has always been a problem and actually the reason light still is unpopular in ranked. In turn narrowing down the options for ranked play and thus even hurting a potential competitive scene.

Solution
At this point just remove cloak. Mb buff cloak grenade a bit. But most importantly give light a team oriented and strong specialization in return.

For example give it a device that needs to be placed on the cashout and auto-steals (obviously takes longer and can be destroyed to not be op).

Or just quicker steal time as a spec.

Now those are just ideas and could actually suck, but the point is that both would give light huge DIRECT team utility, while also compensating for lights low health pool while stealing.

[reef jasper]

model 1887 nerf/adjustment

sh1900 buff/adjustment

revert cloak / test adjust to lower than 28% and higher than 15% for activation

role queue mode for solo players in ranked

power shift ranked mode

[foggy orbit]

@quick coyote Typical example of casuals trying to ruin the game and wanting a deletion of cloak, and comparing it to recon senses... It's not like one spec was completely uncounterable, hard countered an entire class, and ruined any sense of strategy or surprise tactics, where the other spec has built in counterplay with sound and visibility, as well as being on the class with lowest survivability. I can agree stun gun is a problem, but cloak isn't.

[timber hazel]

GUYS I GOT NEW GADGET IDEA FOR LIGHT!!!!!!
❗️

Ｈｅａｌｉｎｇ　Ｓｔｉｍ

1 charge with a 1min cooldown

5 hp generation every second for a total of a hundred health

Can be used before combat, so you can have regeneration mid fight
It won’t be op. Cause the time to kill most weapon is less than 3 second anyway.

When the ability is active, there is a small green plus sign effect around the light
And the health bar also look slightly different

As well as making a bit of noise like an octane stim from apex
The reason for this is essentially to prevent the cheese that is similar to cloak and stun combo

because we probably don’t want light to activate the regen and then went into the fight with their cloak

Just them surprising us with one click of a button and a stun gun is already enough suffering for the medium

So this give light some sustainability
And
The reason this is a better idea than giving light passive Regeneration like some people ask is just because it will be less confusing for new player

Now there’s visual indicator and sound cue for it you know

What do you guy think :o

[kind light]

This game is splitting in between sweaty plays and fun casual gameplay. It is impossible by default without making specific actions. It is cool to sit on both chairs and have both audiences just by pleasing some of them but the problem is getting obvious with every new balance patch. Invis was totally fine in any ranked split after the silver. Light was not overpowered in any way but in some casual modes full of hardworking daddies who come into the game to play for 30 minutes before going to sleep.

Sooner or later it will be even more obvious that making adjustments in different modes and making better SBMM for newbies is the best possible way for this game.

PLEASE make special limited mode with limited toolset for newbies. Make them play without nerfing some gadgets that are totally fine in every other part of the game. Make some modes with removing some gadgets or just make a weekly rotation of weapons and gadgets. Imagine 1 week without FCAR so users will try more famas and ak. Imagine heavy without shield and Light without stungun or glitch grenade? You already made a lot of preset loadouts and it was kinda good. Keep going in that direction.

Just try to consider that you can not make so complicated toolset for everyone like for casual fun gameplay and for sweat ranked grinders. You still can move in that direction but balance will look like shit and in another 4 months we will have a simple FPS shooter like XDefiant or even COD where gadgets doing nothing or just something in 30-60 seconds and you just shoot each other. Don't waste the special thing of The Finals and please grow some balls, guys, instead of bending under every "frustration" of unexperienced users

[dusty igloo]

Please for the love of god fix melee hit reg

[regal ferry]

why the fkwas cloak nerfed? It's unusable at this point

[quick coyote]

You have to be seriously ill to compare recon senses, a literal wallhack toggle with 0 counter play to cloak that you can see and hear with the bare minimum of human senses.

[zinc haven]

I second this. however, stun gun is equally not an issue, since it is an item of the weakest class of contestants and, contrary to the echo position, does necessitate experience and skill. unlike *recon you need to hit the one shot you get in a specific situation on one opposing player.

[deft moth]

hes not wrong its extremely unfun and obnoxious to play against cloak lights

also stun

[plush shell]

spawn points are still bad.
you don't need to be einstein to solve this problem, make 5 respawn points close to each other and get random respawn. but embark hasn't done sh-t about this despite how many weeks have passed.

spawn system too bad
always too far spawning, where is the point? there is already 30 sec waiting spawn time.

the previous spawn system was bad, it always spawned from the same place, but if embark got off its ass and made more than one close spawn point, the problem would be solved. i made gta 5 tdm mod, even the mod i made is smarter than this.

[terse lark]

revert cloak nerf it sucks to use now

[stray rampart]

Please work on the optimization. Input lag is very high sometimes, fps also drops very badly and ofcourse there's the UE5 crashes

[broken lake]

and it's seriously unfun to just play light in general.

You nearly get oneshot by everything, some dumbass medium leaves a mine halfway across the map because they misclicked their button and accidentally dropped one. Now you have 20 HP, glorious. Not even from stepping on the mine, because it's proximity for some god-forsaken reason.

You finally get to a fight, and you get insta-beamed by a 0-recoil (or maybe 0.1-recoil now?) medium FCar, or a heavy just slams you with a near unavoidable AOE for 90% of your health. Or the Medium impact nade launcher 2-shots you.

AND we can't forget heavy sledge, the least powerful weapon on heavy, that can still just OBLITERATE you in a single swing (with impressively wide and forgiving hitboxes and aim assist)

The fact the entire class relies on invis to just be viable should tell you how poorly balanced this class is. The class relies entirely on not being seen at all just to stay alive. Even if you run dash, like me, you NEED invis bombs to keep from getting turned into paste instantly

But since day 1, Every time lights ask for buffs that would let them compete with enemies in "non-annoying" ways, it's been: "light needs to take unfair fights" or "light shouldn't be able to 1v1".

Then there comes a cascade of complaints about light "not being fun to play against" whenever lights find some way to take that advice and be halfway effective in taking unfair fights.

Big whoop, you can't have it both ways.

Either the community has to accept that light should be viable outside of gimmicks, or they need to stop complaining about the gimmicks that barely keep light playable. (I'd like it if we'd lean more towards the former.)

Light in general has also gotten the hardest, and the most unfair nerfs out of all the classes.

The DAGGER got nerfed on launch, for crying out loud. DB got nuked so bad you never see it anymore. It's sad.

(this isn't directed at only you, to be completely honest. This is a whole community thing)

[violet elbow]

game was on such a good way and then you decide to nerf a class that currently already hardly has a place in a competitive setting, listening to whiners in here that get stun gunned split from their team, just shows a complete lack of understanding for your dedicated playerbase and comp scene, its a bad joke, your streamers are leaving, your already nonexistent comp scene has even less of a chance now, and the people you balance for with these nonsensical nerfs like recoil nerfs and invis/stun gun will leave your game sooner or later anyway.

we need meaningful ranked changes and a balance vision that actually THINKS ABOUT RANKED AND COMP PLAY and doesnt listen to every whiner in here who cant play the game properly, otherwise this game will struggle

[stray basalt]

Light is fine right now but I still would like to see a slight hp buff to the class imo.

[simple hill]

This!! They keep nerfing light even though lights get melted like butter in a skillet to the point where light is becoming way less useful while I still get one shot by an RPG, also if you get killed by stun gun it means you probably weren’t team playing or you didn’t shoot back

[drifting obsidian]

nah light stun gun needs a nerf

[pale cloak]

I love this game but I can't even play ranked anymore, I keep getting full diamond 1 teams in solo queue when I'm in gold 1 (all players are diamond except my teammates). Playing with friends is impossible because of the cracked players that suddenly appear once you join a party (in ranked and in casual matches). Also I have 320 hours in this game so I'm not a noob or something.

[violet wing]

is ranked queue broken ? I just left 2x 8min wait queues in a row.
they do listen, they also have their own way of gauging problems. Being the most vocal complainer doesn't make a problem real every time. Too many lights play without knowing the game and what they should do to shine. IMO the timmys you're talking about are a lot more numerous in the light class than any other. And I've been camping that game since CB@foggy orbit

[blissful bridge]

It's pretty well established that nerfing cloak was not needed and is overall unwelcomed.

[foggy orbit]

If only Embark listened to the people that dedicate the hundreds of hours to this game, understand the game mechanics and weapon balance, instead of the Timmy that has 5 hours on the game, and tries to lecture everyone on how their opinion is valid. I'm so tired of seeing feedbacks where it goes something like this;

• This item is unfun and overpowered
• You should remove it from the game like recon senses
• Casual player base will die if you keep it in.

@zenith prawn You say you have the experience, but quite literally you're demonstrating a lack of experience as you are trying so desperately to remove a fundamental mechanic from the light class. Cloaking in itself opens up many playstyles for light, so asking to remove cloak is to ask everyone to stop playing the game they wanna play, and play the way you want them to play. Like I say, cloak already has built-in counterplay, if you want a brainless shooting experience where you don't have to use your noggin, go play CoD.

@quick coyote the game quite literally is called THE FINALS, and most trailers always have the
CAN
YOU
REACH
THE FINALS?
There is a massive emphasis on competitiveness and we have casuals here saying that the game isn't meant for competitive players lul

[zenith prawn]

Not even close. I just have the experience, that mechanics like these can hardly be balanced properly. Its the same with Wraith Q in Apex and other things. Instead of balancing back and forth and leaving one side of the player base unsatisfied better break the cycle and replace it with smth good, that's not as toxic to the games health. If nerfing or removing one mechanic is so critical to your game style mb its time to open up to new stuff idk

[quick coyote]

sorry to say, but you are completely wrong and im baffled how you even came up with these conclusions

[zealous widget]

fr

[quick coyote]

• Mesh shield is not fun
• Heal beam is not fun
• Lewis is not fun
• Nade launchers are not fun
• Turrets are not fun
• FCAR is not fun
• Lewis is not fun
• SA is not fun
• APS is not fun
• Sniper is not fun
• RPG is not fun
• Defib is not fun

Do they all need nerfs? No of course not, not all of them. The fucking obvious though hasn't been nerfed since release.

The game is fucking ADVERTISED as a TOURNAMENT based game, the fucking TOURNAMENT mode is barely ever if never taken into consideration when it comes to balance.

Casuals think FCAR has a difficult recoil, and this was an actual fucking argument someone brought up when i asked for FCAR to be nerfed. Anyone with more than 2 braincells knows it has practically none, though.

(I'm not trying to attack you btw, I understand where you're coming from but there are obviously far more issues at hand than cloak. Thanks)

[regal ermine]

can we just get a 1:1 copy of octane stim as a light ability thank you 🥰

[deft moth]

i only have issues with 2 of the things you listed, everything else feels like reaching too far

[strong escarp]

Light needs more survivability to feel good to play, and Heavy needs less to feel better to play against. Possible solutions:

• Decrease Light's HP regen timer, and increase it for Heavy.
• Increase Light's HP to 175, and decrease Heavy's to 325.

[sacred siren]

if people really want to give devs good feedback yall should include what modes you play -- obviously people that play powershift vs ranked would want different things nerfed/adjusted. mention that in ur post so devs and people can understand where ur comin from

[tame crag]

Glitch grenade NEEDS to last longer on gadgets. Its utility against APS and Turret have been entirely scrapped because you aren’t able to get another grenade to deal damage against APSes before it’s back up again

[tiny sphinx]

invis q right now is pretty balanced as is because activation cost is like 1/3 the whole charge
vanish bomb is about right

[broken lake]

which ones?

Also, what class do you play? Is it light? Or is it medium or heavy?

Cause every single thing in that list is a horrible experience for most light players. Especially when they're not using cloak. (maybe excepting sniper outside of power shift)

Is it possible that when you say it's "not fun to play against" you just mean "not fun for ME to play against", instead of considering other people's fun?

[zinc haven]

it is equally unenjoyable to play versus a three laser pistols with moderate health, healing and fib ⚖️ killing cloak will just unbalance this sham of balancing, too.

[half iris]

Everytime I join a game and there is > 1 light per team - i leave immediately - they ruin the enjoyment. FYI

[simple hill]

Ok but if there’s also > 1 medium circling with healing and defibs so none of them can die basically that also ruins enjoyment it’s a 3 way tug of war and not everyone is going to be happy and you just gotta deal with it sometimes

[lament pelican]

What decides what team wins when they have the same cash in a tournament?
We had the same cash, as another team, but we had more combat score, support score and objective score but the other team advanced instead of us. Not sure why?

[modern wedge]

aye
there should be a set minimum word count too if thats possible

[timber igloo]

PLEASE give an option to turn off auto aim on melee weapons for mouse and keyboard

[drifting gorge]

Mastering the new recoil pattern for FCAR isn't difficult in the slightest

[crude brook]

make casual gamemodes an on-occasion thing only and focus on balancing tournament style cashout
and bring back unranked tournament

[coarse junco]

Fix

• hacking

• matchmaking

• fairness in elo points
  (Ex: you get 2 trash kids on ur team and u lose at r1 but u had 10000 cs and 3000 support score you shouldnt lose or gain points at all

• glitching
  This can consist
  Heal beam glitch (ive suffered this so much)

PS5 GLITCHES (there are soooo many i cant even comprehend

Maybe pc/xbox glitches i do not play pc or xbox so idk

And glitches in general

Also - stop with everything costing money i know u can get them normally but it takes 3 seasonsnjust for 1 clothing pack instead u should SERIOUSLY compensate players witha free packagae of their choice
Imma cnp this just in case i remember anything else

[brazen pelican]

Bank it can be like only 2 teams of 5 or 6 fighting each other and they need to deposit in their own cashouts and instead of letting them the entire map just let them in parts of map and change them after sometime to a new part

[quick coyote]

PLEASE just use AI / accuracy or variable detection methods for cheaters Asia server is fucked

[quick coyote]

as a light cloak player, i mainly use cloak because of its value in offering intel ahead to my team while also allowing me to move around more freely, which gives more opportunities for flanks and angles. and even without cloak, light would still be quite useful to me. i have no idea how this community collectively reached in the conclusion that cloak is the only spec that keeps this class alive, to me, all you are saying is that you depend on crutches to play with it. it doesnt help that pretty much every cloaked light player i encounter in this game are rushing in front of enemy teams as lone wolf and dying immediately.

if you are well positioned in a point and constantly moving, you barely need to even use cloak to escape fights. the problem is that you want to act as a medium in a class that wasnt even designed to compete heads on fights and cloak only happened to be the ONLY spec allowing that happen. in fact, any decent player would kill you anyway, so it means this tactic of using cloak during fights to escape only works mostly in quick play.
dash is actually the spec you should be using for evasive potential on direct fights.

i don't agree with the activation cost nerf, especially since visibility is also going to be tweaked, but holy crap how this is an overreaction.

[broken lake]

yes, you're moving on different angles with it freely, angles where you'd be caught and killed if you weren't using it.

As a light player who has used nearly exclusively dash, if that's what you "should be using" then why aren't you using it? If it's better for fights, then shouldn't you be dashing everywhere?

and even if you were using it, you'd be running invis bomb, wouldn't you?

because light relies on invis.

[river plover]

Light relies on invis (be it cus of cloak or vanish) because the moment they get spotted they fuken die

[proven ibex]

ASIA is cheaters paradise and devs acting fkng blind.

[queen cloud]

akm iron sights are soo clean. I actually enjoy it more than fcar sights. It blocks less of your view.

balance is just terrible in this game, it's like the devs reponsible for balacing never played fps games seriously before. If they put lewis back i'll be soo op that there's no point playing anything else other than heavy with all the medium and light nerfs.

It's such a bad age for fps games and i'm soo sad about it.
Is it soo hard to make an hardcore movement/aim heavy style game with high skill gap, no bs broken abilities, input matchmaking or no aimassist, good balancing and anti cheat. IT'S ALL I WANT!

[halcyon perch]

I think invis is still usable but in high tier ranked light is already difficult enough to play so them nerfing it without compensation was just a mistake. If they don't want invis to be spammed mid fight then just keep the activation cost at 33% but lower the cool-down a bit so you don't need to sit in a corner for a while every time you have made a move. Dash is just not it in high tier ranked cause players are more than capable at tracking you at of your dash at that level. If it worked more like tracer's blink dash would have a chance to compete in ranked. I don't believe light has any crutches though. A crutch is there to compensate for bad gameplay but invis is just the best compensation for a very squishy class.

[unreal fossil]

Agreed 200%. I've played 4 tournaments yesterday. Won 3 out of 4 (1 was lost due to a cheater). Team comp L/M/H, Gold/Plat players. Light player was using the following kit: CD/XP54/stun gun/glitch/portal. He was very smart in the way he used every asset. Using CD to remain unseen from the enemy whenever closeby, but not necessarily picking fights unless we were close and/or he had a clear advantage. He was often moving ahead of us, using portals so that we could regroup, move vaults around the map quickly without being seen at all, and eventually defend/attack cashouts by changing locations quickly. Needless to say he also racked up ~40 kills every tourney. He was most defenitly the player that allowed us to win every round, even though our H/M duo was needed to carry out the head-on fights.

For me this is proof that Light can be extremely relevant in Ranked, if played skillfully and smartly. Which is very far from the type of gameplay most Lights go for in general.

[iron charm]

Agree with this. Maybe you earn cash as you hold the cashout which constantly ticks up to 10k until the cashout, and whichever team holds it at the end gets a bonus of like 3-5k? I just played a game where we held every cash out for like 80% of the time but still lost because we have to fight off 6 players in the last 30 seconds. It doesn't work as a competitive game mode

[final fable]

April fools was 3 weeks ago, Low Gravity can go now

[lament pelican]

Wait, youre sad you dont get enough free things in a game that you didnt pay for? Where they are keeping servers alive and give you new content consistently but they want to make some money and t hats not ok?

[compact sleet]

So this how to save this game!! Rework the money system, As of now the meta is just to steal the cashout in the last 10 seconds while trying to wait for the 3rd party…. The team holding the cashout for 100 seconds or so can lost EVERYTHING in the last few seconds of the game even tho they had to fight off 6 different players just so the last team can come in fresh for the easy steal. This might be one the most frustrating parts of the game and why most players just get off the game after these scenarios….

THE FIX: cashouts takes 2mins to complete so the team holding the cashouts at EVERY 3rd of the time (40secs) should be rewarded with a 3rd of the total cash (10k = $3,333 every 40secs) this will fixed a lot of issues and fix the HHM meta cus speed would be way more useful because getting there and fast would be the 1st step to actually earning money! HHM is really powerful because they have 110 seconds to wait for that one full commitment with dbl bubble/dome and all the close range crap to make sure it works….. with this new system they will have to race again the clock and get to cashouts fast and take the fight ASAP because one team is actively earning money so the time will push the paste of the game and EVERY second counts!! As of now only the last 30secs of the game really matters becomes off these 22k/44k plays that don’t feel good at all…. It just comes down to cheese and bit of luck

King of the hill you points while you in the hill…. Not for being the last team in the hill at the last second smh…. SAME for domination and any of game mode with a OBJ when you think about….

Next thing make rank more impactful as of now it just feels like a pointless grind and a time sink…. Getting eliminated in the first round. Doesn’t feel bad at all cus you will get to Diamond as long as you play a lot and that sucks!! Also add more ranks! We need a master rank after diamond!!

DONT FORGET TO ADD A TOP 500-1000 RANK FOR THE SWEATS!! just call it “ Finalist” DUH 🙄

[coarse junco]

No im saying some stuff can be obtainable not everything must cost money like every outfit costs stuff including just little weapon skins (not the vry cool ones) and charms I also said they should atleast compensate its players for all the problems thats been happening not hackers and player related but bugs and glitches that cost people their rank or elo points if u have experienced the amount of bugs i have u would most def want compensation

[pliant lion]

Can we rework of the brainless panic buttons the heavy has? Be it Charge and Slam or the Mesh shield, both abilities barely have any counterplay if you're not a light with a stun or a glitch grenade. Especially the mesh shield is infuriating to play against, at higher ranks most heavies just activate the shield as soon as they're being hit once. My suggestion for the mesh shield as I've shared before:

For the Mesh shield, consider relaying a certain percentage of damage back to the player carrying the shield (for example 10-20%), so if the mesh shield takes 100 damage, the player health drops 10 to 20 HP. In this case make it that the damage the mesh shield absorbs can't actually kill the player and leaves them at a minimum of 5 hp or something. In this case the shield is more like an extension of the player's health and not a simple "emergency panic button". The amount of times I've shot 3 bullets at a heavy only for them to instantly press Q is absurdly annoying.

@silent cargo Explain yourself? You think it's fun for an enemy to just be able to absorb all the damage you can do? The shield currently has no consequences whatsoever. If the shield relays some of the damage back to the player carrying there'd still be a reason to keep shooting at it even if you're alone. Right now if you 1v1 a heavy with a shield they can just pause the fight whenever they want. Heavy already has the most HP but with the shield the player effectively has 1100 HP as long as they're looking at you, in a game with a relatively high TTK, even with 350 HP, that's insane.

[silent cargo]

mesh shield is easy to counter if you play with team

[glad nacelle]

New game mode idea - Trainwreck!

Part 7.

Do you know how some gamedevs implement in their games long rides on train, when all the surrounding objects move past the train instead of moving the train or when they build looped location and train moves in circles so that it’s not affect the performance? Don’t know how hard it is to make that in online game though but here is my idea anyway.

There are two teams each of 5-6 players. Two trains are moving with the same speed and consist of 4 cars each. Some of the cars can have different covers on them(walls, boxes, etc.) Some cars have jumping pads that you can use to jump onto another train. Jumping off the train will kill you.

Each N seconds (each 40 seconds for example) the last car disappear and new one appear at the head of the train. This is necessary in order to update destroyed during fight covers, to destroy player’s structures such as barricades, turrets, goo, etc. and to force players to constantly change their position.
N times per game trains will change their places with each other from left to right for the same reasons that i described before.
N times per game trains will rotate spirally like a DNA and players will have to shoot up (not sure about that, maybe it will make people sick).
N times per game trains will enter tunnels (for 8 seconds for example) in order to give players time to reload, rebuild covers and rest.

The only problem is - I don’t know what is the exact point of that mode. Should it be just a TDM or players should collect cash by killing enemies and jumping on the other train to collect that cash (but there is also a risk to die on the other train and give “free” cash to opponents or it should have some points to capture. I really don’t know.

So, high pace mode, more casual in comparison with other mods but at the same time more entertaining and «cinematographic» (if you can say so) and will serve as a source for content for videos that will attract people to try the game.

[willow leaf]

This is completely right. Also if light got a health increase or had their health regen faster it would make the class way better.

[daring fossil]

people thinking light was only viable with cloak and stun need to get good or go play something else

[kindred owl]

I genuinely don't know if anyone from Embark would read this or not, but here it goes...

As someone who has 300 hours of playtime (+100 hours on beta, there are a lot of people who have played way more than me, but I believe at 400 hours I could maybe have a valid opinion), I've recently been struggling in the game to just have fun, and I have given it a lot of thought.

I believe that when you guys started nerfing stuff, in the beginning everything was going well with the nerfs. Stuff that was getting nerfed was understandable, but somewhere along the line, I believe you guys overdid it, and everything is just NOT FUN. People who stayed playing the game mostly did so because they bothered to adjust to the nerfs and change their play styles to a less fun way.

The Finals was the only game that made me upgrade my PC after 8 years from a 1050ti because I simply loved it. I'm Iranian, and PCs are way too expensive here. I literally spent months of my salary on my PC just so I could play The Finals better. No one made me do it, but I'm just saying that's how much this game matters to me.

On top of that, I need to use a VPN to play the game since Iran is blocked, probably because of sanctions. Even though not all games block access in this manner, it's only Embark that employs this method of restrictive blocking, and you can't play without using a VPN here. In all of my Steam/Xbox/PS games, not even one game has ever done it in this way. @ Embark, I would gladly help out on this since I believe you guys have done a lot of stuff wrong in this topic. I could expand more on it since I have dealt with this stuff in the past as a product owner on a smaller scale. Just contact me in DMs if you guys want.

With that said, I obviously will still be playing the game. But man, I really just miss waiting until the end of my work shift (WFH) and instantly launching The Finals at 5:01pm because it was ALOT OF FUN! But now its been months since I have been that much eager to play the game.

I hope in this sea of feedback and messages, someone would see mine and maybe take it into consideration a bit and some stuff would change...

Thanks

[quartz oak]

Very well said, I like your ideas

[river plover]

🫡

[elder umbra]

STOP NERFING , FIX THE ANTI CHEAT AND BANNING SYSTEM

[grim scroll]

Small list for a new player:

PowerShift Ranked mode (I think it allows for the use of the weapon sandbox more)

Add some variation to platform pathing in powershift (Skyway Stadium ending might need changed as its almost impossible to retake at the end)

Tune spawning.

APS/Defibrillator might need adjusting in powershift (APS might need to lose hp when it destroys a projectile)(Defibrillator might be too strong for defenders if you are 5 medium)

I can safely say I love the the TTK the destruction overall the maps are good

[atomic current]

Make the stun gun disable turrets/cashout stations for a short time.
Give it some utility other than free win button.

[lament pelican]

Some stuff is, you get free stuff for just playing the game in both the battle pass and the normal progression, but if you want more stuff you pay for it, you're already getting both the game and cosmetics for free. So im not sure what you're looking for?
And they are compensating the player, with a free game.

[ebon elbow]

If they don’t revert cloak and bring out the goth skin this next update I’m done

[iron charm]

Listen to this man... too many instances where the worst teams wins on pure luck/timing. You shouldn't lose a game when you've held the cashout for 80% of the timer but die to two teams in the last few seconds. Kills/performance need to mean more and this would be a way to resolve it. Not just who holds the cashout at the last second. It wouldn't matter if cashout was just a casual gamemode but this is obviously the premier game mode for now and the whole game is balanced around it.

[broken lake]

to be fair, your change would mean heavy opens up a massive hitbox that lets anyone pour damage in to deal 10% or 20% damage.

It's honestly a bigger nerf than you think. Maybe if the bullets would've hit the heavy's hitbox anyways?

[crude brook]

casual gamemodes should be more similar to cashout
make the cash in quick cash bahave the same way it does in tournament and cashout
and bring back unranked tournament, wherein the final round's cash behaves the same way it does in the rest of the tournament
get rid of powershift and bring it back for next years easter

[shadow stirrup]

Whoever designed seoul and decided to make the hospital cashout stations needs help.

[half plover]

Kills/Performance don't need to mean more. Ppl need to learn teamwork.

[craggy canopy]

TL:TR of last patch notes:

Light is already too weak, so we're just gonna end completly their race.

Detailed version: Inv Cloack is already SO EASY to spot + the sound gives it all away. More nerf? Sure, lets kill this Ability.

Stun gun: Already nerfed to the ground + GLITCH grenade on HALF. Sure, lets NERF IT MORE. So now light its gonna have what in its kit? NOTHING USEFULL.

Medium has more HP, kills faster, and has way better kit.

You guys are thinking this game all the way around and taking in base the cry babies of the community who cannot counterplay. Light needs at most a passive buff vs Mediums only of like 5-10% (only on vs medium guns, not nades or traps etc). If u do that everything will be balanced. (apart from minor stuff).
Medium ttk > light ttk. Awsome.

You will never be able to balance anything if u keep doing this, and instead of objectivly thinking, your paying attention either to cry babies who cannot use headphones and play on speakers or to high ranks that don't even care about the game balance bc they play anything and master everything. Thats whats wrong and when you realize this it's gonna be too late. Since DAY 1 i'm telling my friend what the nerfs/buffs should be and eventually you did them, finally killing Recon Senses. Now I'm telling this here, and mind my words if this won't be ur solution. But keep going and loosing player base and our time. I used to play this everyday, but since this recent absurd nerfs i'm afraid to know what lies ahead on next patch xD

[light steeple]

please tell me why ranked tournament has a reconnect button if your game crashes and after you finish the game u reconnect on it KICKS YOU?! whats the point in a reconnect button if it kicks you for reconnecting????? ridiculous

[turbid tree]

Did you know that there is another team color in the game? It's green. When pink and purple or red and orange are fighting in the same match, it can be difficult to distinguish who is who. I can't even imagine how colorblind people feel at these moments. It is necessary that the matches have teams of the most different colors.

[pliant lion]

You're right and I thought about that but I didn't have enough characters left in my original suggestion to address that.

The width of the shield is kind of overkill anyway IMO so it could be made a little narrower and more curved to counter the reduction in width. Should ideally be just wide enough to support 2 teammates standing besides the heavy holding the shield. Also it doesn't have to be 10% or 20% damage, could be 5% but that would need tweaking obviously.

Now that I'm thinking about it; another, possibly better, way to handle it is to have bullets pass through the shield but with significantly reduced damage to anything standing within say 5 meters behind the shield. That could even be visualised with an animation of fizzling bullets (like when you're carring a radio through an Aperture Science Material Emancipation Grill™) So shooting at the player's hitbox would still do, let's say, 10-20% of the original damage within that distance. This would make the shield less of an "emergency panic button" for if you're almost dead and more of a temporary defense to buy you and your team some extra time to shoot back.

@turbid tree Yes, I'm colorblind and I can barely tell the difference between my team and the purple team (which has lost me multiple games so far). Also the 50 shades of pink/red the game has are basically indistinguishable for me. I would love it if, instead of a colorblind mode, I'd be able to set 4 standard team colors myself to which the game reverts every match.

[ionic panther]

please let me change the opacity on hud elements like revive symbols and cashouts because weapons that dont benefit from ads suffer when the revive symbol is covering the entire guy im trying to shoot at thank you.

[pure sage]

The executioner from bo2 as a weapon for Light

[astral thorn]

My 2 cents. The main game mode on tournament is not good enough, 3v3v3v3 brings too much RNG especially with the current spawn system. My team is constantly getting third partied by the team that lost the fight on the other point. The last second capture that makes the worst team win the match cause the other 3 parties killed each other, is not fun.

[shadow aspen]

how in-game perfomance gets worse after every update? like in the beta it was flawless, but now, especially after the anti-cheat update, it's getting worse each week

game will stutter first 2-3 matches and fps for me can go from 110 to 70 when looking in a certain direction

i love the game, but if this continues people with mid-range PC's won't be able to play at all

[mint knoll]

rank needs stricter matchmaking restrictions there's no reason diamond players should be in my gold lobbies when my party consists of gold players

[valid palm]

Add keyboard and mouse support for console

[worn sigil]

Just played XDefiant, the game was so mediocre, this game has potential, fix the game up quick, and you'll beat most of the competition (Apex is still my #1 tho)

[void horizon]

Drivers man, I had that exact same issue. Game ran 120 fps beta, 50-70 fps live. As soon as I rolled back my gpu drivers a few updates I got the preformance back, stutter gone, no more crashes

[deep ravine]

Yet another petition to stop giving players suspension the moment they leave the game. The game has been constantly crashing for not only me but also my friends and many diffrent streamers regardless of pc (bot top of the line and bad pcs). Like just now i have had a bug that i was stuck with loading screen while also i could move in game and could see UI from the game. So i had no other choice but to leave and i get 10 min restriction after it says that it "failed to reconnect". I dont even mind the bug, but i cant even count how many times it has happend that the game crashed and i couldnt come back to the game even if i came back right away. Its such a pointless system when there is game wide crashing problem, just give ppl some more time to reconnect. much more ppl are losing out when players cant come back to the game then when someone leaves and joins new game.

[near dagger]

Thought about that but I don’t really know anything about that and have no idea how far back I should go for the drivers

[sharp jasper]

I think everything is quite nicely balanced.

My only opinion is heal gun needs to be nerfed or adjusted in some way. 3 fibs needs to go.

As for gameplay, with the current nerfs Light is where it should be. I’ve played light since the beta, you’re a mosquito that goes in and out for blood, all the nerf does is reduce the time you’re in and out. No complaints there.

Heavy mesh balance is perfect, there should be no reason one heavy can sit behind a barricade, inside a dome and rotate from a 70 round weapon to mesh and be totally fine.

[sudden trail]

Please change in game icons such as dead player, cashout point and vault icons. They take up so much space on the screen that they prevent us from seeing a significant amount of the screen, which literally blocks us from seeing the opponents. It's so annoying. Maybe even just a simple tranparency is enough.

[smoky gust]

Qol
please let us dash through glass

its pretty disheartening to die during an escape, when being half a meter lower (and thus vaulting though the window, instead of getting stuck on it) would have lead to you living
would also help in other scenarios with windows like Monaco's slanted roofs, Seoul's big windows, etc.

[turbid tree]

However, I would like to note that in rating matches, you need to add the opportunity to give up. Sometimes my ally just walks out because he's very angry. He will not re-join the match for obvious reasons. This means that our team is doomed to defeat. I don't want to waste my time knowing that we're going to lose, but if I get out, I'll get blocked. Now imagine that there is a cheater in the enemy team and he does not let us play. He makes 50 kills and takes all the money. And we can't get out of the match because we'll get blocked. As a result, our and other teams become puppets in this circus for the amusement of the cheater.

If our whole team (or those who stayed) gives up, then none of us will be blocked.

[cinder ridge]

🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[hollow quail]

hey can you guys on balancing focus much more on buffing stuff that isn't used, compared to just nerfing whatever is the hot topic

[celest hemlock]

please make it so in quickcash the team colors don't allow purple and pink for the two enemy teams, it makes it super hard to distinguish (especially in the heat of a fight). Considering there are so many other colours, it would be way better for clarity.

[heady pilot]

https://youtu.be/CyB-jDsuZdY This guy kinda has alot of good opinions on this games a narrative, I like the idea of actually having sponsors instead of play to unlock items I think having specific sponsors cater to specific roles, Text chat for introverted people, a better ping system (tbh I really like overwatches ping system I wish they took more inspiration from that one instead of apex's)

[lilac summit]

I second this

[strong dust]

Light is garbage. Having a light on your team is useless 90% of the time. As a heavy main I love when there’s enemy lights because they’re all garbage. If you play light your a brick.

[stable lagoon]

Add a random skin option like Apex Legends, which selects Between multiple of your picked skins to randomly apply to weapons.

[glossy crescent]

i can't see my ping on game, commomm its 2024

[shell shore]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8Z6MP3paWw
0:22 guy is clearly cheating, got recommended by youtube

[turbid tree]

A funny observation. Now the heal gun cannot neutralize the effect of gas, but this does not apply to fire. What is the difference? Why can you take an ATM while sitting in a fire if you are being treated by a heal gun.
And it also makes me laugh that after a long roasting with a flamethrower, the enemy stops burning after a second.

[analog spoke]

SkulledScore#9783 this cheater kill everybody............200m always headshot

[zenith prawn]

Lol sounds like desperately clinging to the only play style you know. You don't engage in the discussion here and just whine, but whatever float your boat bud.

[foggy orbit]

I've engaged plenty in the discussion, made counter points, and all you can do now is hurl insults. You haven't addressed a single point I have made, seems to be a critical skill issue on your end both in game and on the discord server.

[edgy pawn]

this game is gonna die

[smoky gust]

changes on popular items are often necessary, so they shouldn't stop with rebalancing those
but yeah they should do some stuff with underused items

bad items aren't being used, so there is rarely anyone talking about them
and even less asking for buffs

[deep ravine]

legit 50 min later my game crashed again and im banned for 30 min without even a option of reconnecting. i wont even talk about the fact that i lost like 3 wins worth of points cuz of that shit xd

[heady pilot]

You seem to have discovered the cycle of intelligence people who play casual have

[half iris]

Nah, cause they cant go invisible m8, every lights got a sword in his back up slot, quite often catch out 1 invisi, you hear it, but 2 no chance, if both teams lights are close, dont even bother, they stand there waiting, cloaked to one tap u or dash into with a sword and one tap u, its an FPS, hammers swords and invisible enemies are just dumb. Every weapon should deal the same damage more or less to make it competitve. Instead of giving players who cant be bothered to learn aim & game sense an easy option. I see the point in maybe having them in a free for all, for a team play game, getting whole team finished by an invisble sword weilding opponent - the game may as well just crash.

[terse lark]

revert cloak nerf, it feels like shit to use now. cloak never needed a nerf anyways. if you want people to stop playing cloak light then buff dash (give in invulnerability frames in the middle of the dash animation, kinda like a tracer blink) and buff grapple (either give it a second charge (and slightly increase the cooldown to compensate a little bit) or decrease the cooldown so it can be used more frequently during fights.

[iron charm]

Cheers batman we're all better off for your contribution

[spice sparrow]

Make the game come up or make a noise when you find a game and are at the build-modding part of the lobby. I'm annoyed at being forced to either change the sound settings so the game will keep playing music after alt-tabbing, or just not alt-tab so I don't fail to modify my loadout before a round starts.

[quick dew]

It would be sick if we get (big) seasonal content updates, like new weapons/special only available for the season, or maybe trying out weapon mods for a season, just to change things up

[zenith prawn]

Lol "not adressed a point". Must be irony on your part. But you keep saying core mechanic as if it's sacral. A core mechanic can't change...like ever? There's obviously a problem with cloak, but you keep crying about the nerf to be reverted. Ok lets say they do that. Nice we're back to zero. Nerf it back? Still half the ppl cry. The mechanic is hard to tune if at all. So why not have a good replacement, that's strong for lights, benefits teamplay instead of solo runs and isn't as annoying to casual players (I dont care, I smoke lights that play like that with no big issue because it surely is possible, its just super annoying to casuals).

So why not do that, not even think about that? Well because "iT's a cORe meChanIc" and "uhhh you have no experience".
Ok sure. Whatever floats your boat bud.

[final willow]

Can we please get an AFK removal thing, especially in ranked? I've just been sucking it up and losing RR but I'm actually done. I just got an AFK light, I can't respawn and neither can my teammate, he's sitting off at the edge of the map what am I supposed to do.

[keen lily]

dia 1, 2nd place in ranked tournament and -2 arrows kek thanks for the transparent system

[reef jasper]

lewis and medium shotty need nerf really bad

[woeful bane]

Can we expect any new variations to the Las Vegas map?
Sucks it only gets 'Sandstorm' which isn't very often either.

[strong dust]

Lewis gun is garbage

[sacred reef]

FIX UR ANTICHEAT

[violet solstice]

Revert Cloak back to what it was, no nerf no change, just back to what it was full stop! Next thing to do to make Light Class a benefit to the team would be to take Defibs away from Medium & give it to Lights. Medium keeps Healing beam but Defib utility goes to Lights. Makes no sense that Medium gets both Defib & healing beam, APS & Turrets. Lights having the defibs would give them a viable utility for the team. It may lessen team stacking MHH or MMM if all mediums can do is heal & not defib. Lights with their speed & reverted Cloaking ability could rush in, defib a team mate & rush out. Defib player should only revive with half health to encourage lights to take statue & run to a safe place to defib.

[wheat nova]

I've said it before, I'm saying it now, and I'll say it in the future. Light does not need cloak AND vanishing bomb. I can get by just fine using vanishing bomb because it does the same thing cloak does but on an item cooldown and not a perk. It's just not fun fighting cloaked players, especially since almost every light-cloak player I've fought has been running stun gun, WHICH prohibits all movement except hipfire, and a melee, WHICH does alot of damage. Lights do not need cloak. I feel as though anyone who advocates for this ability generally don't want to get better at the game. Yes it's meant to be a fun creative FPS game, but when you have to rely on the power to go completely invisible, stun people, and beat the HP off of them, you should consider playing a different game @foggy orbit . I just personally believe that if you need that ability, you, your skill level needs improvement. Not about counterplaying it, not about "opening up playstyles." My current light loadout is sword and grappling hook. I still manage to get kills and damage without having to be invisible to do it. Fact is, has been, and will continue to be, if you have to rely on being invisible to get kills and damage, then you are not good. That's completely ok, because it's almost as if light class has sonar grenades (seeing enemies through walls and floors), tracking dart (the same thing), vanishing bomb (invis on an item and can make the whole team invis), thermal vision, and much much more useful util instead of an invisibility perk.

tl;dr- remove cloak for a new ability, we don't need a cloaking perk and a cloaking item. Being invisible for most of the game is a terrible way to play an FPS

[daring fossil]

not sure about cloak, but lights having defibs is actually a good idea. Most lights don't revive often from my experience, and they are literally the best at it because they can run through a room full of dudes fighting, grab a statue and escape.

[smoky gust]

I've engaged plenty in the discussion, made counter points
you said:
"Typical example of casuals trying to ruin the game"

the only useable thing in that message was "where the other spec has built in counterplay with sound and visibility"
which many already argue is not properly balanced/not working correctly
so you brought along nothing to defuse the complaints

and all you can do now is hurl insults
some time beforehand:
if you want a brainless shooting experience where you don't have to use your noggin, go play CoD.

You haven't addressed a single point I have made
and you did pretty much nothing to deconstruct their points either
at least they wrote half a book explaining their opinion

@terse lark we don't want people to stop using cloak, its annoying
if we buff the other stuff, we will see less cloak
but those that do use it are still just as annoying
something else needs to happen

[hazy yew]

Officially impossible to find an Xbox Console Only game - Console is Dead... Waited over 45 mins today in NA servers, on a saturday and never got one... If this isn't a sign to the Devs to fix this crossplay PC inclusion I dont know what is. You will have single handly killed your own game on console just to provide PC's some fun of shooting controller players. Devs if this has to stay then console needs the orignal AA brought back - we cant compete with them and its not a fun game anymore. Theres not enough of a playerbase for low levels to even learn or get better either. I was attracted to your game in the first place because it didnt include PC!!! All of my friends on console gave it a try because were over cheaters on games - youre now forcing that upon us making my friends and close to quitting. WHERES THE MARKETING CAMPAIGN TO GET MORE PLAYERS??? I think the playerbase issue is all the root case of all the netcode/ping because no one is close to each other and its pulling any player from anywhere now - Its just crazy to me the feeling of the game can go from crisp to dogwater in one game, going 12-2 to then 1-8 all because of the ping is absurd and probably the most defeating feeling. I think that feeling is what is driving people away too, because im thinking had I not known how clean the feeling of this game can be and just started playing I would probaly have quit already. Please give us stats of the ping it would literally help determine how well I can play that game and we still have no idea if xbox can do 120fps?

[untold haven]

if you want to give kill credit to people who blow themselves up at their feet to kill you i think you should also get credit for making them die for it

[terse lark]

if we buff the other stuff, we will see less cloak but those that do use it are still just as annoying something else needs to happen

this is so hypocritical lol.
you know what is annoying? a huge 750 hp shield appearing after shooting at a team once to then have 2 fcars laser your head and die in 0.5s.
you know what is annoying? trying to steal a cash out, you kill 2 of the enemy team then the last person defibs, then the person who got revived defibs the 3rd teammate then they chain heal beam eachother. You're now stuck with most your abilities on cooldown and have to fight the same team you almost wiped AGAIN. your team gets wiped and you don't qualify bc defib and healbeam EXIST.
I think the weakest class with the the least amount of hp is allowed to have good specializations that help them survive and enable them to get in advantageous position get kills.

@unreal fossil I was drawing comparisons to things that are annoying in this game to show someone who thinks lights are "too annoying" and need to be nerfed

[unreal fossil]

TL;DR: you get outplayed by teamplay, which is the whole point of this game.

[quick dew]

DAY 1 of asking for a Riot Shield buff until Embark buffs Riot Shield

• Bring back holding the shield off to your left when preforming an action
• Bring back disarming mines
• Every hit should stop the enemy from sprinting for about half a second.
• Fix melee hitreg

[hasty wren]

POWERFULSHELL IS CHEATING

[clear crystal]

Now you have fixed nukes by not letting items activate when attached to barrels etc let us throw items with other items attached to them properly again. It's silly thinking a tiny block of C4 on a huge heavy barrel would make it impossible to throw when the heavy can throw the barrel a huge distance with nothing attached to it 🤣

[keen lily]

ranked system is ass

[lofty laurel]

Pls add nicknames so that you can keep track of the people u add from Lfg

[wanton rose]

Cloak is not even good against players with decent aim and a pair of eyes and ears. You get spotted kinda easily and even if they dont spot you some random heavy can basically one shot you with his rpg. Oh did i forget to mention that the same heavy also has 2 shields, a barricade to hide behind, a gun with almost endless ammo and 350 hp. But they move slower so its okay I guess. I swear its always the heavy mains that complain while playing the most broken class just because they got stun gunned by a cloaked light from behind and got killed.

Also add text chat pls

[smoky gust]

how is it hypocritical?

you know what is annoying? +
you know what is annoying?

yeah, that can be annoying, never argued against that

I think the weakest class with the the least amount of hp is allowed to have good specializations that help them survive and enable them to get in advantageous position get kills.
that's not the issue, I'm totally fine with that
execution is the issue
if they change to exist in a way that's not annoying, I wont mind

need to be nerfed
no, I don't want lights to be nerfed
I want them to exist in a state where they don't p*ss people off
sadly, the only way to achieve this, next to making a whole rework, is nerfing it

Jumping to conclusions so you have something to attack someone on is incredibly cheap and doesnt contribute to the constructive effort of trying to come up with solutions

@violet solstice

it's supposed to annoy & frustrate you.
a game being set out to have its players annoy and frustrate each other does not seem healthy

can we not strive for a balance state where everything is impactful but still leaves everyone feeling like they had a fair chance of counterplay and were enjoying the engagement?

[violet solstice]

Heres the rub mate & a big part of the problem with people......if we buff the other stuff, we will see less cloak but those that do use it are still just as annoying something else needs to happen. A Classes Abilities & Gadgets being "annoying" or even "frustrating" is not an excuse to nerf them or remove them because every class is "annoyed" or "frustrated" with other classes abilities & or gadgets, i.e I get extremely "annoyed" & "frustrated" with Heavy's shields. I also get extremely "annoyed" & "frustrated" by Mediums APS & turrets but I dont want them or advocate for them to be nerfed just because its "annoying" or "frustrating". I just deal with it & or counter with something or change up strategy or gameplay as another class to deal with it like working with my team mates of other classes. People are always going to be "annoyed" & "frustrated" with another classes weapons, gadgets & abilities but its not an excuse to Nerf or remove them just because it annoys you or frustrates you......it's supposed to annoy & frustrate you. Lights cloak may be "annoying" or "frustrating" but its not a game changer or OP.** If lights cloak was so OP then every player would be using it & Ranked would be full of players using Light with cloak**, but its not, its just annoying & sometimes frustrating as its supposed to be. Thats all Lights have to really offer is being annoying & frustrating to the enemy, distracting them from the objective & assisting their team. Playing a light no matter what loadout you choose does take skill for the simple fact that to survive & get kills when you only have 150HP is hard. Those saying cloak takes no skill are full of shit! @smoky gust you sound like a kid who always got a Participation trophy & never had to experience Loss, frustration or annoyance at losing or being killed in a game mate. If you are trying to say that no FPS should ever have you frustrated or annoyed then maybe u should go & play Minecraft or something because frustration & being annoyed is a big part of competitive FPS games. If it was all rainbows & butterflies then it wouldnt be an FPS shooter lol

[olive fulcrum]

Dash > Cloak.
Fight me.

[zinc carbon]

I keep getting only 2 teamates in ranked, i would rather wait an extra minute than get 2 teamates

[unkempt bane]

Where is custom match observer system.
First official tournament in japan was shit to watch because lack of features.

[timber hazel]

Quality of life suggestion

I want a “sorry” prompt…

Sometime I make mistake, panic and choke. You know
Trust me, I’m sure it will make it less frustrating for the teammate.. ^^’

[quick coyote]

same

[terse lark]

@smoky gust all I want is for the game to be balanced

the only way to achieve this, next to making a whole rework, is nerfing it
I don't think the devs want to rework a quarter of all abilities and gadgets in the game, it's still only season 2. but nerfing things just because people find it annoying is never the right decision. people get annoyed and frustrated when losing, the devs can't stop people from losing. it's a skill issue bro.

@violet solstice I think we see eye to eye on this issue. have a great day bro 👍

[sturdy python]

How is this fair matchmaking?

[muted flume]

lol

[smoky gust]

you sound like a kid who always got a Participation trophy & never had to experience Loss, frustration or annoyance at losing or being killed in a game mate
ive spend a big chunk of my childhood playin garden warfare
exposure does not make frustration any less bad

If you are trying to say that no FPS should ever have you frustrated or annoyed
obviously there will always be some form of annoyance every now and again
maybe through bad circumstances or whatever and that's alright
but a game shouldn't be set out to cause it

because frustration & being annoyed is a big part of competitive FPS games
should it be?
should a game willingly include things that make the experience worse for no reason?

If it was all rainbows & butterflies then it wouldnt be an FPS shooter lol
every fps has something frustrating, that's true
but the are not mutually inclusive
I'm sure there is a way to have a fun fps shooter, that doesn't frustrate its player-base

we cant create a utopia but every step gets us closer

@terse lark

nerfing things just because people find it annoying is never the right decision.
and why not?

think of nukes
(almost) everyone was complaining about them
so they were nerfed
the complaints have stopped and now most people enjoy the game more because they are gone

people get annoyed and frustrated when losing
not necessarily

think of tf2
I can eat s**t in tf2 all i want and not be frustrated
that's because it has incredible game design and is well balanced (for the most part)

you don't have to stop the player from loosing, you have to stop them from feeling treated unfairly

it's a skill issue bro.
average thing to throw when you cant think of anything else

[fervent blaze]

The Light class in The Finals is a highly imbalanced class especially in ranked tournaments and casual game modes.

The Light class in the game excels in mobility and agility, allowing players to move quickly and dodge enemy fire. They have access to specializations and gadgets that can impact the game, such as the Grappling Hook and Proximity Sensor. The class also excels in stealth and disruption tactics, with abilities like the Cloak and Glitch Grenade. Despite recent nerfs, the Light class still has a strong clutch potential, with tools like the Stun Gun that can disrupt enemy actions. The class may seem to not have the same firepower or durability as others but that's never the case, it can easily disrupt team fights and objective control with its speed and gadgets.

In conclusion, its overpowered status shadows the other classes, stemming from its exceptional mobility, stealth abilities, and potent gadgets. The class’s agility, coupled with powerful tools like the Grappling Hook and silenced weapons, has led to dominance in gameplay, overshadowing other classes and strategies. This imbalance has resulted in a disproportionate number of players choosing the Light class, which some argue compromises the game’s strategic diversity. Light class itself should be removed to preserve the competitive integrity and ensure a fair, varied, and enjoyable gaming experience for all contestants.

[cold steeple]

can we please get an ingame chat system with friends

[cyan skiff]

Please get rid of Icebox. No one on this planet enjoys that map.

[violet solstice]

Yeah mate I think we do agree for the most part. Nerfing everything because someone gets annoyed or frustrated because they get killed is stupid. It feels like M & H's have the Greta complex when they get killed by a light "How Dare You". M & H have so much more HP than a light & should & can kill a light pretty easily if they are paying attention & using the tools at their disposal. The only way for the most part for a light to Kill a M or H 1v1 is with the element of surprise otherwise Light is just cannon fodder & unplayable. Cloak was that small advantage but wasnt & still isnt a guaranteed kill by any means. Revert Cloak Back to How it Was. Lights have very little almost no utility to the team. What can a light bring to help the team with gadgets or utility??? A glitch grenade & just recently now a gateway. H & M bring so much more utility with multiple shields, APS, Turrets, defibs, healing beam, RPG, C&S, Goo guns etc not to mention much more HP & better heavier guns & weapons. How is a Light supposed to compete & be useful, survivable & help the TEAM?? I played M from the start until I had enough VRS to unlock every single gadget & utility in every class before I even tried H or L. H I found too slow especially in solo queue where the rando team mates M & L would just run off leaving the H vulnerable. Light was fast & agile, low HP but with Cloak as it was it was playable & fun so I landed on L as my mains. I still play H but mainly Light. Since the Light Cloak Nerf the other day I just dont play much anymore. M & H are so OP compared to L thats its just not viable or fun anymore. As I & many others keep saying IF LIGHT WAS OR IS SO OVERPOWERED THEN WHY THE HELL ARE THE MAJORITY OF PLAYERS NOT PLAYING LIGHT IN CASUAL OR ESPECIALLY RANKED???? Its because its not OP it is Weak & takes skill along with using every gadget & utility it has to have any viability in the game. Nerfing Light just kills that class. H & M need to stop whining & crying about Lights. If u cant kill or win against a light then its just a Skill issue on ur part not a game balance issue. How much weaker does Light need to be before H & M stop whining & crying about it??? As a Heavy I stomp lights all the time but sometimes they stomp me & as a Light with cloak I constantly get stomped by H & M...thats the game! U cant dominate across the board with 1 class. Adapt & overcome, practice, get better & just stop crying & whining about the weakest class in the game FFS!!!!

[strong escarp]

Heavy still deals way too much damage for how tanky he is. Both of his LMGs outdamage a goddamn Medium with an AKM (and the Lewis Gun even outranges it).

[tropic swift]

If I had a teammate that's AFK for at least 10 minutes I should be compensated.

If I had a team that's gold or silver ranked then I should lose less points

Diamonds and silvers should never be in the same lobby

[zinc carbon]

I was playing on practice range and suddenly my AKM didnt work

[gleaming dragon]

add a duo mode please I beg

[neat jay]

I think for the power shift mode you need to limit the amount of sentry’s and aps that you can put on it. I have had to many games get decided at the start we’re there will be 3 to 4 mediums throw down aps and sentry on the payload and then there is just nothing you can do about it. Please limit the amount of player structures like that can be placed on the pay load it’s my only real complaint with the mode.

[timid kiln]

dev community cant find a solution its time to step up ong

[proud imp]

I bought the battle pass day one when it came out, stopped playing for a week and now i cant get the stuff, but it doesnt prompt me to buy it again?

[strange plover]

I’m ngl I think at this point we are starting to see the game improve little by little with each patch that drops. Take this last update that dropped 2.6.0 I think it’s been one of the best updates that we’ve seen in a long time. The changes made have really changed up the overall sandbox of the game and we are already seeing a shift in the meta. Take the nerf to mesh for example, now people are starting to use charge slam (hell even seen a couple goo guns lol) and the data reshaper which ill admit when it first launched I thought it was super cool, but didn’t exactly know how it would fit in the current sandbox. Now I always make sure I have the data reshaper on because with the very generous range buff it was given now it’s super effective against turrents, APS and even barricades. Even the controversial change to cloak for lights IMO was a great change and keep in mind that it’s still very good as flanking when the enemy can’t see you will always yield results lol. But now we have more lights running dash which if you reallllly practice can let you pull off some insane plays. I’m really happy with this patch and I’m looking forward to the next one, keep it up Embark! 🙂

[quick coyote]

The game has quite literally gotten worse every Wednesday. If the game was getting better, it wouldn't lose 10% of its players literally every single day lol

[somber hound]

Every time i Lose with a Duo Q Team in Ranked i get with Them paired the next Game again... ITS fking Annoying.

[lethal plank]

Buff the light abilities and replace cloak it doesnt have a place inside an fps game and the other abilities suck

[violet solstice]

The Devs need to comprehend that people are always going to whine & cry about the Classes they dont play themselves. They need to stop listening to all the whiners. Its got to the point now that the Devs may as well just remove Light Class & Heavy Class & just run with Medium Class for everyone. Even then Whiners are always going to whine about something. Every Wednesday update is just another nail in the coffin for this game. Stop the constant nerfs based upon the whiners. REVERT CLOAK BACK TO WHAT IT WAS. With 3 different classes people are always going to whine about the other classes they dont use so get rid of the classes if u dont wanna deal with whiners. Problem solved! Stop letting the Minority of noisy Whiners dictate the direction of the game cos whiners always gonna whine no mater what u do. Soon the only players u gonna have left are the whiners & the hackers.....go figure!

[daring fossil]

were in season 2 now, there's a new battle pass.

[proud imp]

i know

[fossil dove]

was bt to say this but yea they needa stop listening to this dog players

[upper saddle]

Suggestion for match making for people who just wanna play The Finals and have a short que time!

Multi-Que, when joining Multi-Que we click a check mark for each mode we'd like to be in our que and it starts finding a match for any of the checked modes, Say I want to play now but I'd be down to play Quick Cash or Cashout, click the check mark under both of those and join the multi-que so it puts me in a que for both and just gives me which ever one it finds a match for first.

Aside from the obviously reduced que time benefit the other benefit is players in more Diverse game modes keeping the game fresher for longer during a play session. This is something a lot of games with smaller player bases have done and I could see it working well in The Finals.

P.S Embark I love this game and I love all You've done for it, please don't let this game burn out. :c

[upper citrus]

If the fcar isn’t nerfed in the midseason patch it’s actually so over

[quick coyote]

Nerfing is why the game is dying. Just culling the casuals every Wednesday.
Also the desync is straight out of 2005.

[compact pine]

Cloak does not need to be reverted. Heavy should be buffed tho

[obsidian knoll]

no offence but I'm kinda sick of asking why can't you just revert the rank games to how they were 24 player like in the beta

[versed geyser]

waddiyatalkinabeet

[dusk copper]

I wish when you break a zip line while someone’s on it and they fall and die it counts as an elim

[upper citrus]

anyone who says nerfs are the reason the game is dying have no idea what a team shooter is or how one works. everyone who has played a team shooter before immediately understood how busted everything is/was in this game.

[quick coyote]

Dude fix your fucking servers. They are a total joke at this point. Literally standing behind someone with an Lh1 shooting them from zero range and no registration. None.

[pale turret]

Nerf nuke

[strange bronze]

They should add the clout goggles into the shop for like 200 multibucks. I would cop that

[lilac pelican]

Heavy should not be able to melee while having shield ability up, lol

[regal salmon]

The biggest issue for me in the game has never been lights or heavies, but mediums, which seem to constantly evade nerfs. MMM is easily the most oppressive team going.

Defibs should be a specialisation. If you want heals AND revives on a team, this should be split between members. Having 3 defibs and healers running together is almost unbeatable.

Turrets are also stupidly overtuned. They should not have as much health as a person. Their cooldown should start on destruction too, not deployment.

Currently there's almost no drawback to just dropping them down in corners. No real strategy is required. It's just free, dumb damage. Your cooldown will be back by the time it's died too.

[near dew]

This game is dead and you're killing it more with your shit balance changes and the anti cheat that is there is name only

[timber igloo]

Please give an option to turn off melee auto aim on mouse and keyboard. Not only is it the most jarring thing when your sledgehammer auto track some invisible light, but it makes the knife unusable if you're going for trick stabs or anything other than bot walking up and stabbing. Also, I still think this is one of the most fun pvp games on the market right now and your updates have been superb. Thank you for everything you've done to make this game.

[sharp jasper]

Interesting form of constructive criticism

[zinc carbon]

Honestly ive only met like 2 hackers and ive still had fun even with the "hackers" in the game

[simple hill]

Once again repeating, EAC is dogshit please try and find a new anti cheat or something bc it is pretty bad even shitty aimbots get past I know we have all seen that one team mate with shit aimbot who gets wiped or something stupid bc they are obviously snapping

[quick coyote]

What

[carmine warren]

Really really wish we would get some major weapon buffs for underperforming ones.

[odd flax]

EAC IS USELESS GARBAGE PIECE OF SH*T, REMOVE THAT FROM THE GAME FILES, PLEASE!!

[ashen stirrup]

Allow 5v5 quick cash gamemode so there's more data to pull from for balancing one on one team fight scenarios

[somber axle]

Agreed

[terse lark]

@smoky gust

nerfing things just because people find it annoying is never the right decision.
and why not
youre actually joking right? when has a dev team nerfed something bc the low skill casuals who play their game complain something is "annoying". if the devs really thought cloak was too annoying they would remove it and replace it with a different specialization with a different mechanic. again, cloak is not that difficult if you know what you are doing. it's not a annoyance issue, it's not a balancing issue, it's a skill issue.
think of nukes
you cannot tell me with a straight face that you thought nukes were in any way balanced. being able to literally delete a whole team is op as fuck

@violet solstice I just want light class to be on par with medium and heavy.

[sudden geyser]

in Ranked (Plat - Diamond) its not much of an issue although overtuned (health) so idk if the devs will touch it as of now. But i agree stacking heals and defibs is quite oppressive as my team does it lol. We simply double beam our heavy and turn him into a Dungeon boss

[daring fossil]

whole team of cheaters in QP, they were all using throwing knives, and then they started losing so they switch to pistol and lh1, the one dude stayed on throwing knives though. the state of the game everyone. I see so many comments from people saying they've only seen 1-2 cheaters. Probably a quarter of the player base is using some sort of 3rd party advantage. Just because they aren't spin botting doesn't mean they aren't cheating

[sly shard]

Double Barrel Shotgun is way below meta, and way below even standard casual gameplay. I think DB should get less dispersion, and a very slight damage buff so it can two shot one melee a heavy, two shot medium, and one shot lights, that would be perfect. I do think it also needs a faster reload animation, that or less delay between each barrel so it becomes a more fast paced in and out type of weapon

[drifting gorge]

You're right, but I disagree about the animation

1. More consistent pellet spread

2. DMG per pellet from 10 to 11

[merry totem]

Sorry.... feeling a bit tilted at the moment, so wishing there could be a "brain dead" mode for all the players who want to play in a "brain dead" way. It's possible everyone would be happier after that. (Not really. I hope you'll just do what you think is best for the game. I am having a run of seriously unpleasant games, though.) * To be clear, my gripe is not with certain loadouts or certain tactics, it's playing with other players who don't care to play the objective in an intelligent way.

[verbal pike]

MAKE AN OPTION TO TURN ANTI ALIASING COMPLETLY OFF PLEASE

[fast owl]

Please please please I need a ‘sorry’ ping 😭🙏

[crude brook]

i have a feeling that the worn texture on the face of the defibrillators changes after the lvl 6 skin. its like opposite what it should be, shiny around the edges and worn in the center

[unreal mulch]

undo light changes- im bout to quit every game is double heavy medium]

[hearty sun]

fix barricade ghost so it doesnt say i can place it when i cant place it (when bringing out the item)

only show the ghost once the item is active and clicking will actually do something, or make it transparent more before its placeable or SOMETHING

[fossil hawk]

add an option to be bald
edit: i have never tried unequipping hair smh

[iron acorn]

I think the light changes are the way to go fellas. It makes the game healthy. Heck remove stun and rpg while ur at it. Its all anti fun stuff that makes it bad to die too because you cant do anything to counter it.

Its all well and good to have weapons that do alot for very little effort, but i only want those things if other things that require more skill crush.

Anyways. CC is bad and will always suck to die too. If your a light and you feel you need stun, you should NOT be playing light. The class is not built around one equipment

[timid jay]

Can we fix the visual animation when you climb something with throwing knives and auto attack? It doesn't show the standard throwing knife auto animation after vaulting, really throws you off. Also, we need level 7 for throwing knives 🙂. Only weapon that doesn't have level 7.

[dry geode]

just unequip hair?

[wraith igloo]

Everyone reeeeeeing about invis nerfs please uninstall the game and go away forever. These hack-like abilities are the second biggest reason people turn away from this game after actual cheats. I've lost count of how many times I simply toggle invis, crouch and stand still while being literally face to face with the enemy, 9 times out of 10 they have absolutely no idea where I went and I either kill them or one of us eventually runs away.

You actually have put a little bit of thought into using it now instead of mindlessly spamming it on and off which is how it should have been from the start.

[fierce valve]

Remove. Melee. Snap. Im tired of turning around 180 degrees to not hit what i was aiming at

[strange spruce]

I have played 7-8 ranked games today, here's my experience.

For my first set of games, I was playing with an unranked Xbox player, a silver 2 PC player, and myself, a Gold 2 PC player.

I played 5-6 games. Every game is 2 teams of solid diamonds, 1 team of mixed diamonds/plats. Every. Single. Game. Every enemy team was only PC, no console players to match our Xbox friend. We came across 2 players total from our 5-6 games who were on console. Not only is the skill gap large by not having console players, its made 3 times as bad because of the entirely unbalanced matchmaking.

I played 2 more games, with myself and my silver 2 PC player.

Both games are only diamond/plat players. There is no bronze, no silver, no gold. Diamond. Plat. We get absolutely demolished every single game. I am tired, I am frustrated, and I just cannot have fun in lobbies I am being dominated in. This game is not fun any more. I have been playing since CB2, and matchmaking has NEVER felt this bad.

The big problems used to be balancing, now its just unfair matchmaking.

[honest barn]

To be honest, that invis nerf isnt so bad. You just need to use it wisely so you need to use your brain and its still good xD I dont know why people are crying about it, its a good change

[sturdy python]

Unfair matchmaking, not close at all, complete stomps. Hackers and latency issues.

Im on the west coast of the US and some player on the east coast unloads a clip and their last bullet registers as my whole character model is behind a complete wall. The latency sucks and its not beneficial to have a east and west coast servers for right now finacially.

I been gold 1 for like 2 weeks now and i dont know if i been climbing or not. Some losses and some 2nd place finishes despite the harsh match making with each match result giving me various arrows that "indicate" if im climbing or not. WTF? Last season even though i have had a high 40% win rate i still climbed to diamond with getting 2nd round wins which counts as losses btw but now i have no idea if i am climbing or not

I know not ever death i have is hackers, i do understand latency issues and oblivious skill issues not only my team has but for myself as well. That doesn't excuse the obvious cheaters though, with perfect aim.

[dreamy gull]

I’m platinum 2! Stopped matching me with fkng golds and silvers holy shit!!! This is super fucking annoying

[iron acorn]

Based comment is based. Invis + stun is the most awful thing to die to because you legit cant counter. "Oh but you can sonar and you can thermal the invis" stfu. 1st off using thermal feels awful and 2ndly in ranked you can predict either that they are invis or dash. And even then your sacking a vaulable part of your kit for usually one or maybe 2 guys that you may not even see.

Not to mention thaf invis is the smallest part of the biggest problem. STUN.... GUN.... i main light and run stun. But only because agaisnt a heavy with rpg he also has a auto win button so i literally in order to survive have to run it. If all 3 were removed. The game would feel fucking amazing.

Everyone that has died to stun feels awful because they had no options. And the same goes for rpg "oh looky here, i have a deal 140 or 80 to a guy or bunch of guys button, may as well press it every second it's off cooldown."

And for invis. Its legit the most mind numbing boring bs to fight. Yes it has a sound but people arnt sound aimers they look at screen and shoot man. Idk if its just low graphics or what but bro sometimes i either wipe the light out instantly or i can never see him and have to straight up waste ammo to finish him and hope it hits. I really dont want to play wheres's fucking waldo.

On the topic of invis though. VANISH BOMB IS THE SINGLE BEST BALANCED GADGET. I use it all the time and i love that when i use it, its not an insta win. I need to do it out of line of sight to make myself invis and once i am i have created a giant area of where i did it creating counter play. Which means if the bomb goes off and they dont hear the invis move then they have a big purple cirlce to shoot at. ITS FUCKING BRILLIANT... it also being a support item is chefs kiss 🧑‍🍳.

But invis as the specialsation. Idk.. please just give it the same treatment as recon and remove it and replace with something else.mat is the single greatest addition to medium.Makes the character feel so well rounded

[still yoke]

Team deathmatch,free for all deathmatch,domination,capture the flag and search and destroy modes for the unranked playlists

[coarse jetty]

ranked play feels really bad, consistently getting diamond enemies in gold 2 and every one of those matches is super hopeless

[wraith igloo]

Skill issue

[quartz shell]

Skill issue

[simple hill]

I have the same error but calling the devs idiots for a crash is a major skill issue ngl (bro deleted his message lmao)

[carmine thistle]

Literally my thoughts exactly

[pseudo latch]

Day 39 of me begging the devs to give heavy an M134 Minigun as a Specialization.

• 200 Round magazine, ammo is restored two bullets every second, 100 seconds for a full reload.
• 20 rounds per second, eleven damage a round, 220 DPS
• Falloff begins at 30 meters down to six damage a shot at 50, but wide spread means the weapon becomes less effective past 10 meters even against larger targets
• bullets do high damage to structures (should be breaking walls in 20-50 shots) allowing a mid-range option to output mass destruction (destroying entire walls on higher floors of buildings, ripping apart nesting sightlines)
• • significant damage to structures and players
• • gun can be pre-spooled with RMB over having an ADS (for obvious reasons, you try to aim down the sights of a water cooler)|
• • high suppressive force through sheer amount of bullets being fired
• • its a goddamn minigun
• - Heavy cannot jump or sprint while holding it, has to switch back to primary
• - lengthy equip-unequip time to balance such, no “pocket minigun” strats, choosing to use this is a commitment
• - gun has to spool up for a second before firing, spool up being LOUD

[dreamy gull]

I load into a game with only 2 players. Automatic loss. STILL get fucking penalized for it. I’ve never been so pissed off at a video games logic than this fucking game.

[rigid vessel]

On point💯

[lime bolt]

holy crap i like this LOLOL

[woven hawk]

Throwing knives missing level 7 skin

[heady pilot]

Just be a medium and laser the light stunning you lmfao, heavy is the only class that cant counter it 💀 you dont feel awful unless you're bad or a heavy

[quick coyote]

Hack...? You can literally hear them running, hear it activate and deactivate, see them if they're close enough, shoot them out of it. I'm not sure what you mean abilitie"s". But if you mean recon, there's no comparison because recon had 0 counterplay, it was toggle button and see where everyone is and no one can do anything about it, completely removing light from the game in the process.

Just because it's not fun doesn't mean it's overpowered. Lots of Underpowered - Balanced items are not fun, yet are in an acceptable spot. All I see is you want the game to spoon feed you everything instead of actually trying to learn.

I exclusively run dash dagger and don't like going against cloak players, but you can still kill them if you try hard enough. Something I'm sure most casuals don't bother doing.

[sudden geyser]

im fine with this. Speeding up the reload could be dangerous lol

[iron acorn]

My point was baically its antifun. But yea i guess that can work but also, you must be vsing very bad light that they arnt just killing you right away after stun.

[timber dove]

Non light players be like:

"I know light can't win a straight up 1v1 and needs an advantage to take fights but let's just get those tools nerfed so they're an inferior 150hp class. Also nerf snipers on Power Shift cause I don't like having a situation where my FCAR can actually lose. Light players who use their best tools rely on crutches, definitely not us though for using our best tools."

[wraith igloo]

I was saying invis doesn't need to be 'un-nerfed' as it's more than good enough as it is right now. And by 'hack-like' I mean't that in almost any other game going invisible is only possible with actual hacks and would get you banned.

[plain fable]

Please please please please please let us leave matches with leavers with no penalty. Maybe do what Overwatch does and start a 2 minute timer for the teammate to come back before you can leave without penalty but getting stuck in a 10 minute long round where you started missing a player feels really bad.

[quick coyote]

Having a kill cam would be nice, with the option to skip so people can still choose to do the camera phase; it would just be really nice to see how I died.

[simple hill]

I agree with this person also the kill cam idea above would be nice too

[pale bay]

I have an idea lets make an awesome fps game with a bunch of new brilliant mechanics but no one can talk to each other aside from teammates that are never in voip 🤷‍♂️ -10 iq

[jagged cedar]

Careful who you say that to

[woeful zodiac]

Embark, this game is so fun. I’m not here to complain or badmouth the game quite the opposite. I have been around since OB. I also hope that people come into this channel and read this because these days everyone can only find negatives opposed to positives. This game isn’t at its greatest atm, but it doesn’t mean I like it any less. The game is still extremely fun. The chaos and fast pace gameplay is awesome. The visuals in the game are like no other as well and I find it very satisfying. The cosmetics are cool as hell also. Very up to date clothes and cool accessories that are “in” I feel like that gets looked over. I know that ranked is being worked on and will be fixed because embark is doing there best … they are human… and I’m happy with the new reward system in ranked. I can’t wait to get my diamond FCAR because I grinded for that and my rank on the leaderboard, even if I am playing against golds sometimes I still play a decent diamond team in the finals. Either way the game has great things about it that shouldn’t get looked over and everyone should take a step back and look at the big picture of this community and game if they want it to work out ,especially competitively, The new game mode 5v5 is fun with a group of friends as well! Fun to let loose in casual with IRLs. If you are unhappy with something we need a work around it like we have in any other games. Everything will get fixed. Have fun playing a free game that has no business being this good. Now saying this, I do see, hear, and understand everyone’s complaints. I have complained in here…but it’s good to look at what you have and be thankful.

[quaint forge]

Can you please f ing fix matchmaking? I just deranked because I have trash teammates on gold team while I have to face a diamond three stack. It’s so frustrating and annoying

[plain kiln]

make medium turret a gadget with less hp, turrent feels already like the least impactful compared to heal beam and dematerialiser, thoughts?

[heady pilot]

No, its more like they're 360 flicking me instantly because for some reason medium can do that when stunned Like I dont get how anyone can say its broken when its so niche, it gives light an UPPED chance for a kill yes, but lights are still at lik ea 30:80 LS ratio, and idk if you noticed but you're throwing games if you pick light regardless, anyone in ranked doesn't see a light FOR this reason, you have to be super extremely goated for anyone to think otherwise, you cant upload a video of you playing in quick cash farming baby players then call someone a bad light 💀 The best gadget for light atm is the one that makes you play heavy or medium

[calm dirge]

I would love a feature to include pinging the person that killed you a single time when you die. Just so that it is more clear to your allies where the last known position was. It doesn't even need to be a tracking ping. Literally just a single "Hey, this exact point was the last known position." Just so that when my friends come to revive me they aren't getting suprised when I say "Behind you." or "In the building on my 'X'" and there are 3 buildings there.

[vale kite]

Battlefront 2 (2017)'s implementation of a minigun ability on the heavy class was excellent. I could definitely dig something like that here.

[peak tusk]

Am the only one who thinks Gold and Bronce medals looks the same? At least in on stats tab

[iron acorn]

It. Is. Not. Broken. It. Is. unfun. And boring to boot. Theyre ways to make it more interactive and cool. It just so happens that it is not that and therefore sucks donkey ass to play against

[pine raft]

joke of a game :DD ranked match in around gold/plat with a trio of diamonds in 1 team and a cheater duo in another

no wonder the players are leaving when this is the experience they're getting

[lusty grotto]

Nerf mediun and cheats

[rough herald]

** APS: Proactivity and fck your projectile problem** (Day 7 of asking)

Notes:
. to start off, i love the idea of the aps, the ability of being able to defend an area locking down a room is fun
. but its just unfair in some situation all because the "fck your projectile" part of APS.
for a weapon like the GL that shoot projectile you basically lose the fight automatically
. and for powershift its basically mandatory to win (that gamemode need a rework tbh)
. its also a one and done. meaning once you place it down it just stay there forever
**
Suggestion:**
. (fck your projectile) either make it so it take damage with each projectile destroy. Or it can only destroy 5 projectile then broke
. and also give it a 3 second activation time like the turret have
. (One and Done) make it lose hp overtime

side note: for the love of RN-Jesus just let me play with my fav gun cl-40 Without a aps fcking me over.
Like How are you suppose to kill someone WHO CAN"T TAKE DAMAGE??? its like playing riot shield without the shield
(embark pls fix )

[vocal scarab]

add a match history tag , in which we can view our prevision match statistics and players in that match , so we share it with other and even send fr(friend request ) to the player in that match

[quaint forge]

Please fix your fucking matchmaking, just deranked cuz of teammates playing guns they don’t usually play and facing downing three stacks

[heady pilot]

What "interactive" gameplay do you want from a stun gun 🤨 better yet if we want "interactive gameplay" why're we nerfing the things like invis and not taking or nerfing the things like rpg or defib, toxic opinion rpg shouldn't do player damage 🤷 it should just destroy buildings n' shit, if people really hate CC then ig just remove it and replace it w/ something else but stop trying to nerf it and keep it in the game, making it worse doesn't solve lights problem it worsens it then puts a paper bandaid on it

[quick coyote]

I also want to add that the guardian turret possibly needs to have a small nerf; whether it’s to the health or the damage it does. At this point it feels like another teammate and that makes me sad

[cosmic cloud]

The practice range needs jumping. dashing, and running speed target dummies.

[signal valley]

anyone wanna play ranked im diamond 4

[upper citrus]

Nerf fcar

[stable lagoon]

Why did I lose rank even though your shitty matchmaking dropped me in alone? Even DoTA forgives match penalties if one team member is afk, why don't you guys have it?

[drifting glacier]

yea ngl the turret is really aggravating to go against. I understand that the other two abilities are better but it doesn’t change the fact that the turret has a lot of health, damage, and decent range. I will say i think you guys are doing great through and i’m grateful that you guys listen to your community.

[sudden geyser]

Yup. Its needs a limit on how may it can destroy. Being able to fully deny endless cooldowns from multiple players is no joke and should be looked at. Even though its not top meta its still busted lol

[mortal rose]

i really dont care about nerf or buff, what i really care is your anti-cheat, pls get it like valorant, at least make it harder to cheat, at least make it we only find 1 cheater per 3 ranked tournament

[iron acorn]

Yep. Fixing anti cheat will bring a lot of players in and back. I played val for years just cause they had a working anticheat. I dont care if its a kernel system just kill the cheaters 🤙

[hidden locust]

The game needs compensation for nerfs its called balancing for a reason stun gun invis was strong and deserved a nerf but its the only thing that made relevant i think light needed a buff with that nerf its already the worst class maybe something with survivability like a stim or armor maybe by doing damage they should be the lowest HP but still be useful to the team and not made out of paper certain things yea need just nerfs

[keen beacon]

that thing isn't as effective as you think it is

allow me to introduce: Spoofed DMAs! private access stuff! resellers! money!

[timber ore]

Please allow Light Sniper can adjust zoom range. Sniper Light always make team play like 2 players only...

[heady pilot]

I personally like valorant anti-cheat but people really dont like it because they think its a breach of privacy because it injects itself

[elder birch]

-lfg

[spiral light]

<:thefinals:1108025386081714196> LFG CHANNELS

Europe:
#lfg-eu-casual
#lfg-eu-ranked

North America:
#lfg-na-casual
#lfg-na-ranked

Asia:
#lfg-asia-casual
#lfg-asia-ranked

Oceania:
#lfg-oce-casual
#lfg-oce-ranked

Brazil (South America):
#lfg-sa-casual
#lfg-sa-ranked

Go to id:customize to show/hide specific channels.

[crimson pier]

Really really awesome one of the best ones yet. I agree that since I have no experience as I game dev that I feel this could be difficult to make, but this can be very creative. The trains probably wouldn’t be conventional width but the idea of the map being two trains that are separated while moving can be very fun. Maybe not a ranked map but for sure fun in casuals

[misty jasper]

Maybe put a scope on famas to make it a little more viable? x)

[west trellis]

what he said

[weary harbor]

id add scopes that u can buy, so you can spend VRS on something else than just weapons u could spend it on upgrading weapons - like COD

[blissful turtle]

any map that doesn't force open areas are generally fun , i take a lot of issue with las vegas and horizon for that issue tbh

[drifting gorge]

Did you pray today? Did you pray today? Cause if you didn't

[unreal fossil]

Weapons are also made balanced by their optics so, no

[quick coyote]

You guys nerfed Invis Light too much, good fucking job

[void creek]

fix anti cheat

[quasi niche]

Add a 1v1 system in private matches

[violet solstice]

I hear ya brother, all these no skill M & H players who cant kill the weakest class in the game & cry hard & get offended when a little old light manages to best em & kill them. 1v1 Light loses every time to a M or H. But lets Nerf the Light because M & H get offended that they were killed by the weakest class in the game. Cry babies! Revert Cloak back to what it was & stop listening to all these whiny cry baby M & H who have no skill & cant kill a light. At the end of the day Im not going to waste hrs & hrs of my time to keep relearning how to play a class anymore because the Devs keep nerfing stuff, changing stuff & removing stuff to pander to all of the OP M & H whiners who cry about getting killed by a light. The most vunerable players to a Light are those out playing on their own or away from their team because a Light cant beat an entire team & cant even beat a M or H 1v1 without some sort of stealth advantage like Cloak. Lights are just way too weak in HP to take on M & H by themselves. If u dont play as a team &/or get separated from ur team u may just get stealthily picked off by a flanking Light otherwise u just have no skill & uninstall the game if a light with Cloak is too tough for you to handle. Its funny cos no matter how many times a M or H kill me I never whined or cried about it but M & H are the biggest cry babies out there if they get killed by a light. Revert Light Cloak Back The Way it Was

[misty jasper]

BTW: If you are seeing one arrow or two arrows DOWN when you win a game or lose at round 3/2, it's because you must've exited the game at one point and you saw the arrows when you came back in. Arrows go up and down per round, so you still net positived.

[viral whale]

Day 3 of asking for a kill cam so i can learn how to better my gameplay and accurately find cheaters

[smoky gust]

WHY THE HELL ARE THE MAJORITY OF PLAYERS NOT PLAYING LIGHT IN CASUAL OR ESPECIALLY RANKED?
there are frequently matches where about half the cast is playing light, what are you talking about?

How much weaker does Light need to be before H & M stop whining & crying about it?
its not about making them weaker, its about removing frustration
everything should be balanced and fun, ideally without annoying anyone
if the frustrating thing is what kept them balanced and nerfing the frustrating item made them unbalanced, then they deserve a buff

@terse lark

when has a dev team nerfed something bc the low skill casuals who play their game complain something is "annoying"
let me repeat myself: nukes

if the devs really thought cloak was too annoying they would remove it
no, because thats wasted work
why remove something that could be fine with 1 or 2 small changes

again, cloak is not that difficult if you know what you are doing.
I do
and often they are not an issue
I have already discussed this with others, and it seems like there are bugs that sometimes make it harder to detect than its supposed to be
that's my issue

you cannot tell me with a straight face that you thought nukes were in any way balanced. being able to literally delete a whole team is op as fuck
they were my example of something too strong (and thus annoying) that's been nerfed
how do you read my message so sideways that you thought i meant anything else?

save us both some time and read a bit more carefully next time so you don't get confused again

[crimson pier]

Hey Embark Devs, here’s your fair share of controversial ideas to look at. All of these are just rough draft ideas, but I believe they can all be tweaked enough to be considered balanced.

• Vanish bomb heals 30 on impact and gradually heals up to 75. Heals teammates (obviously controversial, could be an entirely new gadget)
• Role que, 1 of each class per team in ranked (most important to me)
• 200,250,300 health per class (also controversial but lots of people in the community have brought it up)
• “Tracer recall” like gadget/specialization for light (instead of dying when health is gone, you get a one way teleport back to a spot you were previously in perhaps at around 100 health)
• Event where care packages drop weapons so any class can use any weapon (gadgets and specialization up for consideration but not the main idea, example is light picking up the M60 from a care package, clearly a mode just for casual play)

[night bone]

Mmmh yes its a good idea...what could we ask to nerf next time, let me think about It... Oh yes! Tracking darts, too op 🥺

What are you talking about mate? 🤷🏼 And i'm saying this as a main medium healer. Never ever used turret excpet for my first game 😂, it's just bad compared to demat and heal beam and you wanna Nerf It? Where will this game going at this rate, every stupid nerf is being followed by another stupid ask for another stupid nerf

[drifting glacier]

i really hope the aps gets some changes soon i love using the grenade launcher probably my favorite weapon at the moment on medium but i can never use it in ranked because if even one team has aps I’m pretty much completely useless for that round because you can’t change guns in ranked which i don’t think is a problem because you will only really ever need to change your gun in a situation like this its more so the fact that one item that isn’t even a specialization can make it so you don’t do any damage at all.

[quick coyote]

Please do something about aimbotting wallhackers, SOOOO many cheaters. Please region ban china. Games have been doing this for years, I dont get why you can't region ban china or put them on another server

[hidden locust]

Doesn't matter if its not meta comparing it to things doesn't help your immature reply having 2 turrets in a spot with mines and 3 ppl is extremely oppressive so the problem isn't the turret itself its the synergies there is no skill to it with too much value so yes a small nerf is necessary bc its extra damage whether it pokes melts or finishes you off imagine a ceiling destroyed with 2 ppl 2 turrets on ceilings 4 mines barricades and another person to follow up
Why does a turret need the same if not more health thn a medium with perfect accuracy its literally the fcar with a sniper scope on a stand so what're you talking abt

[stable lagoon]

Bruh both CS2 and Finals is losing swarms of players everyday cos of hackers

[glad nacelle]

You are right about the width, but it could be not just trains as we know it, it could be wide platforms that are floating and reacting to explosions and other physics , like boats from the powershift. I came up with that idea when I realized that we don’t have enough «WOW I HAVE TO TRY THIS GAME» content from the finals. I mean yeah, destruction and flying buildings and buildings parts are kinda working for that, but obviously it’s not enough. Also it’s pretty hard to explain how I see that game mode and what it should be but in my head it looks just amazing! Thank you for your feedback though!

[west trellis]

The nerfs and the buffs and the cheaters and the raging. Can we just fix healbeam? As in make it so it doesn't stop working every other round

[gray crown]

Weapon Skin Suggestion: a ladder

[rough herald]

Medevil update:
note:
. bonk funny
. sword cool
. me like bows

Suggestion:
. Light: gets one of those assasin creed wirst bow
. medium: normal recurve bow/ crossbow/ both, me like both
. Heavy: Long bow/ War bow/ Balista

[sand ridge]

I miss nukes and I miss recon 😞

[crimson pier]

Yes please

[rare shell]

Dagger buff, some kind of speed boost while having dagger equiped or give dagger backstab the same lunge too

[half iris]

Bring recon back as an accessory for all classes - since half the players are wall hacking anyway. Level the field.

[ruby ginkgo]

just found out about #🏆┇rank-check , would be cool to have a few words about at the #👋┇welcome page

[subtle saddle]

womp womp

[silent marsh]

Heavy need to be nerfed

[void creek]

fix anticheat, it is absolutely fucking crazy that we ran into the same aimbotting cheater we ran into 2 months ago and hes top 500 now

[night bone]

There are so many opportunities to avoid the situation you are describing. You can use demat to move the cashout, you can use demat to shoot from above, you can ambush the team at the cashout point in order to prevent them from place all their inventory around the floor, flamethrower can counter mine easily, frag grenade either, data reshaper... There are so many stuff and strategies TO AVOID that situation, that Is the point, you need to avoid. It's Always harder attack a well placed team than defend the cashout against a bad coordinated team, unless if you third party. If you have a problem with some situation or gadgets, imo you should think out of the schemes in the First Place, then, you can ask for a nerf 🤷🏼. Nerf and balance are not an Easy job

[ebon elbow]

I think if they make it so 1 of each class is in ranked it would benefit ranked play a lot

[mental schooner]

Continuous lag out issues in ranked matches for me and my teammates and when we do lag out, even though we were in the 3rd or 4th round and should acquire XP gain we lose XP and get a penalty for leaving. Also if teammates lag out on your first round you shouldn't be deducted XP for not having a teammate.

[lavish sorrel]

i hate how we cant have casual tournament now we only have ranked

[sullen peak]

was there a reason why there is no text chat in game?

[tender verge]

Suggestion: decrease ranked penalty when there's a missing member/leaver
It feels kinda unfair to have your rank go down when a teammates leaves or does not join at all.
Me as well happened rarely to leave a game because of internet connection or even a game crash.

Removing the penalty completely could be exploited (just have your friend leave at the last minute, and you do not rank down), but making it directly proportional to the team composition during the match....

I imagine you are already working on it but just to be sure i felt the need to point that out.

Keep the good work and good luck!

[prime junco]

where do i send this to ban this cheater and his teammates who paid for boost?

[west trellis]

I really hate low gravity

[crisp coral]

The loading times today are tragic took me 2 mins to load into a game and 3 mins out

[quick coyote]

Lights are just so damn weak ffs god job embark you killed lights

[drifting glacier]

Nerf and balance is not a easy job☝️🤓 yea no shit its not easy thats why we can discuss want we like and dont like here. you can agree or disagree without being an ass about it. data reshaper is very situational unlike the turret, you will always get value when you place down your turret no matter what either they have to spend time shooting your turret that doesn’t miss instead of you or they have to waste gadgets on it while being shot at by not only the your team but the possible second team third partying. also a frag grenade has a small blast radius and they will probably just have aps. you talked about meta but you said bring the flamethrower 😭

[hidden locust]

You are relying on bringing things specifically to counter items tht aren't even used in rank besides demat countering an argument with unconvinced utilities is wild
Half the time you wont know what setup they have and its too much to deal with at once
You should think abt ranking up there's no way you aren't bronze
Homie rlly said bring the flamethrower
If anyone needs to think out schemes its you because yours just sound like all you do is hop on quickplay 🤷🏻‍♂️

Not saying its an easy job but what do you think this server is for
Its to give feedback
Also the thinking out schemes thing is mindless bc there are infinite possibilities so should i just hack the game to counter all situations
You can think them out but inevitably you're gnna go with what's meta
Imo most of your choices to counter are relying on hoping the team is bed ridden vegetables
Also somethings you can't demat like elevators pls think out these schemes you're ranting and ravin abt

[quartz cedar]

Idk what game u are playing
In any semi high lvl ranked lobby the few turrets you'd ever potentially see, get destroyed instantly.

In casual lobby too, turret is not that good (unless people specifically ignore it)

[dusky apex]

Add spectating friends games?

[frigid iris]

The finals game should undoubtedly include a text chat feature, enabling solo players to communicate with their teammates effectively. In a competitive game like this, communication is key to success. Without it, players are left to rely on guesswork and intuition, leading to misunderstandings and mistakes that can cost the game.

With text chat, solo players can quickly convey crucial information to their teammates, such as enemy positions, strategies, and coordinated attacks. This ensures a more cohesive and effective team effort, increasing the chances of victory. Moreover, text chat allows players to provide feedback and encouragement, boosting team morale and motivation.

The benefits of text chat extend beyond solo players. It also helps teams with players who may not have access to voice chat or prefer to communicate in writing. Additionally, text chat provides a written record of important information, allowing players to refer back to it during the game.

Including text chat in the finals game would enhance the overall gaming experience, promoting teamwork, strategy, and communication. It would level the playing field for solo players and provide a more inclusive and engaging experience for all players. By incorporating text chat, the game developers can ensure a more enjoyable and competitive finals game for everyone involved

plz i beg you 😦

[haughty mica]

my akm level 7 skin got glitched and turned to a black colour, which imo looks way better

[wise cliff]

We need private tournaments, Embark.

[dusk matrix]

ye

[night bone]

1. You're talking about my suggestion saying the gadgets i mentioned are not meta, while you have a problem with a non meta specialization, so, make no sense...

2. The reserve loadout it's used to bring something that can be used in certain situation, not for aestethics purpose. Obviously you can't counter EVERYTHING, BUT, if you are concerned about a problem with tourrets, just bring something for the tourrets, it's seem logical

3. You are saying flamethrower are not good, but you seems that you can't deal with the friggin tourrets... As you see, even weapon that look weak can be useful in certain circumstances, so, again, make no sense to sleep on a weapon the can counter mines, gas and does splash damage, and ask to Nerf the tourrets 🤨

[keen lily]

ranked is a joke

[main notch]

fix light

[frigid iris]

Everything is joke 🤕 no comms ,no one joins voice chat and they dont have text chat,no hit reg , no nade reg, the menu bp lvl bugged for so many , poor optimisation idk why they have so much hurry to lunch game when it was not polished 🥲🙂

[humble temple]

fix people

[sullen peak]

HONESTLY, one good feedback is to not let people who are below plat give feedback to the game lmfao, most of them are just skill issues

[hidden locust]

It is another gun as i said basically another player regardless its problematic with 2 added onto certain setups especially with aps so a solo turret is no problem but there needs to be only 1 turret allowed or less damage nothing like tht should be in the game in quickplay who cares

The reserve loadout is a weak argument so yea be ok with throwing a ranked match hoping you get to the next round and have your gadgets counter 1 specialization compared to more viable/impactful items you really are a genius i can tell by the spelling

The flamethrower is great up close but thn you're chasing after them like a dog on a leash opening up to an easy kill i don't want to hear it if a weapon is used more as a tool thn a weapon its clearly not good have fun getting beamed while you swing around some fire mr cool guy
This debate is turning into an argument and is extremely counterproductive
Just agree to disagree we're not devs you're acting like im snapping my fingers and they'll listen
All started bc someone added a change politely amd you go ape shit after having your daily bath salts
Instead of the finals you should look into D.A.R.E

[drifting glacier]

neither was light but light still got nerfed. i understand its not a problem in high ranks but you can’t judge everything with the mindset of high ranked players only im not saying to disregard their opinions because obviously they are high rank for a reason but if we are solely focused on high ranks light shouldn’t have really gotten nerfed at all. light is frustrating to go against in certain situations so they nerfed him because everyone complained. turrets are not a huge problem i don’t want it to be significantly nerfed its just annoying it certain situations. its all just a opinion if it doesn’t get changed it doesn’t im just voicing my opinions because thats the whole point of this channel

[fossil hawk]

i think the m-11 hipfire isnt good enough, why hipfire someone and hit like 4/20 in a second-ish long burst when you could just beam their head and upper torso with the xp-54 when aiming down sights.

[vernal path]

one of the best original ideas with finals is counters. Would love to see more of that, instead of nerfs and buffs. eg a counter to the stungun, could be healing beam? not saying this example is the right move...

[regal salmon]

The emote wheel is super clunky to use on a controller. You pretty much have to stop moving to use it.

A better solution would be to simply have the wheels fully customisable instead of preset categories or cluttered with default emotes. It's crazy that I have to wade through 4 different wheels and stuff I never use to get what I want.

I have like 3 things I use regularly lost in a few dozen useless options. If I could bind them individually to D-Pad buttons instead I'd do that.

A more radical solution would be auto-emotes based on context. So they trigger on being revived. Respawning. Getting a cashout. Getting a team wipe, etc.

That might make the game a bit obnoxious and spammy though.

But currently an entire aspect of the game (and store!) is barely used because it's literally painful to do so. Which is both bad design, and bad business.

Everything about the game is super fluid and intuitive - then you have this mess.

[mental sun]

Show us pings.

Nerfing cloak because people bitched "player frustrations" about cloak and stun gun, instead of paying attention to data for competitive play is peak toxic developers. Stop listening to the small loud minority for game balance..

[main notch]

or just they dont want to play ranked

[night bone]

Bro, i don't put gadgets in my loadout hoping to counter 1 specialization, but neither put standard gadgets that cannot fit with my playstyle. If i know that i have problem with something i bring stuff useful to me, not the standard loadout that i can see on yt... Thats it

[quick dew]

DAY 2 of asking for a Riot Shield buff until Embark buffs Riot Shield

• Bring back holding the shield off to your left when preforming an action
• Bring back disarming mines
• Every hit should stop the enemy from sprinting for about half a second.
• Fix melee hitreg

[compact pine]

Just an idea, but what if they added wall traps, similar to Kapkan from R6 Siege?

[crisp coral]

I just think ranked needs a fix badly because half the time you can only play at certain times in the day because of the lack of players then when you do it is a very unbalanced lobby with high silvers and diamonds like what? Ps buff the famas

[keen lily]

I think what’s worst in ranked rn is that you can win first round, get dropped in second and you get one arrow up, but then you finish second in tournament and get two arrows down at the same rank, this is just insane and off putting

[quick coyote]

Good job you have killed light, they have no hp, they have no way to fight coordinated teams in ranked. GG embark

[fossil hawk]

un-nerf the mesh shield, it gave lights an actual use case because of glitch grenades immediately disabling it. yall are listening to complainers for feedback

[rough drum]

Ranked is literally unplayable in eu right now. It’s weekend but still not possible to find a match without crossplay on console. The crossplay change was so dumb.

[wraith igloo]

I don’t get the complains for being matched with different ranks, I’m only G1 but more than half the gold I match with play just as bad if not worse than bronze 4

[misty jasper]

Light is still viable.. my plat team plays with a light and we do fine. Your opinion is valid, it is harder to survive with light, but it does not apply to everyone and light is still good

[crisp coral]

Viable but not better than having a heavy or medium

[river plover]

Viable doesnt mean you should use it, any good light player would perform better when using medium/heavy

[drowsy stump]

Maybe get better at explaining why my game isn’t working I’ve put in a ticket and nothing. Keep getting a error code nobody in your own discord can tell me and nothing on the website explains anything at all.

[gusty wagon]

maybe fix the fact that triple M heals happen constantly in all gamemodes before focusing on L and H? thanks. defib invincibility right after being defib revived needs to be removed. defibbed bodies should not act as cover either. healing beam is too strong. also picked up objects sometimes disappear and bug my character. fix

[abstract shadow]

why did the rank system have changed?? its so dumb why should i be sweaty asf and than lose at the second round and i will lose points
explain it pls.

[cinder ridge]

The post game feedback screen needs to be improved. The options seem one sided. Positive feedback seems to be fine but negative feedback options don’t really indicate problems with the gameplay. “Crushed by opponents” doesn’t tell the full story when you go 25-7 and your teammates haven’t figured out how to shoot their guns. Same with “poor load out choices”. Doesn’t really explain the fact that flamethrowers are killing you through a staircase.😩

[timber igloo]

An option to turn off melee auto-aim on mouse and keyboard would be nice. I don't know why it so lock-on, like, sometimes I'm able to hit an invisible light with the sledge hammer with no idea they are even there because it drags my screen 90 degrees, then other times I try to slide past someone with a knife and it forces me to 180 and back up into them. Idk if there's like a balancing reason for this, but it'd also help with knife backstab registration

[gloomy otter]

annoyed at rank i think i run into more hacker lobbies than normal, please fix your cheat detection

[misty jasper]

The original comment said embark has “killed light”. He’s wrong in that sense. It’s still viable and is still useful in a team comp. Running an extra heavy or medium is not always the best comp. We’ve seen more success with a light tbh. But just my experience, might not apply to all light players. But imo, most ppl who are complaining about light being too low hp for combat are the ones that die 50+ meters from their team. You have to play light smart and stick with your team. Use your gadgets for more than just single kills.. Our light stopped a perfect cash out with stun gun after saving it and won us the round. Light can be run as more than just an assassin class. Glitch nades are incredibly useful and are a light only gadget for a reason

[sly estuary]

Pls give us at least 1 mode that we can play solo. https://youtu.be/vty0Uj-zPqU?si=YvKA4r2FWtnwIJQK

[pseudo breach]

Day 25 of asking to put map rotation on a timer for casual. Really sick of getting Horizon and or Vegas 90% of the time.

Also, can we please get South African servers?

[quick coyote]

How. THE FUCK. is the same cheater in Ranked playing ALL day?? We've been reporting him, everyone has been reporting himl. He is hard aimbotting 12 in 0 been sitting in ranked all day LeadingShape#3392, Nothing is done, in Asia server GG

[wraith igloo]

2 ranked suspensions tonight, 10 mins for leaving after a guy headshot the whole server across the map. 30 mins for being matched into a round with some guy using sword and intentionally throwing the game. Tried playing quick cash while waiting, first match a teammate is beaming everyone across the map causing most of the lobby to leave. Please disable the suspension thing until you have some sort of actual anti cheat in place. If you can’t do that then remove suspensions permanently. All the legit players get punished when someone else cheats, it’s such a completely ass backwards system.

[vague sail]

I can only play the game at internet cafes so everytime i log in, it's annoying to adjust the setting to my liking every single time. Can we make saved setting a thing?

[alpine wren]

is it me or are the players becoming more and more toxic ?

[gloomy otter]

tired of hackers please fix anti cheat already.... the uninstall button looking more and more nice everyday

[strong sundial]

Stun gun idea: the time of stun is variable based on who it's against; this would help to balance the stungun against the ttk per class. I hate the stun gun but I feel like it would be the fairest to have heavy take the longest stun timer, followed by the medium and then light on the lowest

[pastel sage]

This might be a bit of a controversial take:
Reduce headshot damage, it's way too high, the burst is insane at times, even by one single guy. Cheaters are the prime example of spawning and dying in 2 seconds, not even having time to react, obv it's hacking and it's 100% accuracy, but the damage is still insane with normal people. I say that because I manage to hit a bunch of headshots in a row sometimes and the dude in front of me dies, and I realize it way later, and I feel dirty. Then trying to avoid headshots the dps results way lower and you're practically useless.

either this, or the headshot damage should be affected more by fall-off, it's crazy how it isn't as much.
I think the calculation currently multiplies the damage affected by the fall-off with the headshot multiplier, instead of the other way around, resulting the damage to be way higher.

[quick coyote]

Thats what I'm saying, The balance is dog, Lights don't have faster revive speed, don't have faster health regen, Light is shit now GG, cheaters roam around freely

[vapid crystal]

Hey Devs, Thanks for still doing your best for us and suffering through all this negativity in this toxic environment. We know you're having a hard time and still have us in mind and heart. Hold on to your ideals, and don't let go. You got this!

[crisp coral]

Don’t play light but the nerf was pretty unnecessary should focus more on ranked

[bleak sorrel]

Do cheaters get banned?

[hazy arrow]

Cheaters are killing this game

[shy swan]

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[rough herald]

**RPG: **the bain of light main
note:
. alright heavy main, before you call me a crying light main... i am that but listen dude. say you're playing heavy and suddenly something hit you out of nowhere and tank 90% of your hp form full and before you can react and then you die form one more shot. or you are hart before this fight so you get deleted before you even blink. thats light vs heavy for ya
. the rpg don't oneshot light anymore leaving light at 10hp... so here the funny thing, light don't always run around with full hp, they get shot like anyone and get shot even once and then be hit by a rpg? still one shot!
. make it do like 100 at the tippeti top the most but i like it to be maybe even 50 or 60

Suggestion:

**Utility rpg: ** (transfer it power form offences to utility)
. 50 damage flat even on splash (it do so lil damage so why not give it full damage)
. +20 damage if direct hit
. give 2 charge
. buff the switch from speed and NOT the switch TO speed (make it batter for trapping)
. no deviation in hip fire

**Combat rpg: ** (some people like it this way, i'll try to make it works)
. 100 damage
. nerf switch from speed by a lil bit (to give player that got hit by surprise time to react)
. no deviation in ads

[dreamy mirage]

I can't agree with you more. The game is INFESTED and they only get 1 day ban lmao

[glossy spire]

first game of the day and i get knocked out round 1 to an aimbot. It will probably take me two consecutive tournament wins to gain back the ranks I just lost... pointless to keep grinding at this point. I've never played a game with this many cheaters

[pseudo leaf]

leaderboard doesn't update after matches

[sand skiff]

What's the point of sponsoring a JPN event, if the asia servers are infested with cheaters?

[rapid stream]

Lh1, Fcar, and Lewis nerfs when

[quasi niche]

Lh1 need no nerf

[timid kiln]

i think the game loses playerbase at every weekly update because of the very little content if u compare it to the early stages of games like fortnite they nearly introduced a new weapon every week

[shrewd egret]

one day we gonna have vangard anti cheat on the finals , one day

[fervent blaze]

remove ks23 damage falloff. it doesnt make any sense

[dreamy mirage]

I have 2 team rage hacking towards each other 16k dmg each headshotting from 300meters how is the anticheat not catchin up on this??

[quick coyote]

your point isnt really clear, why they should lower headshot damage?

[earnest sierra]

EAC source code

if(fire rate > 100ms)
detect and ban
else :
no ban

i didn't reverse engineer this garbage thing but pretty sure that's what i would find if i did lmao it's too bad

[hazy arrow]

there is plenty of anti hack but the developer didn't take any proper actions

[cedar forum]

are hackers rare? I've never seen any

[upper citrus]

We’re cooked if fcar isn’t nerfed this patch

[timber sage]

as someone suggested, i don't mind if ranked got shut down entirely. i just want this game to replace call of duty, because i'm not into military shooters, and i don't want people spending nearly $100/year just for a consistent playerbase, for a title they may not even like. i want deathmatch to live, just not in call of duty - i want that game franchise either dead for good, or to just be a BR, which i'll avoid

[low plover]

tell me why i get paired with a fkn bronez and gold 4 WHEN I AM PLAT 1!!!!!!! everyone else in that match was plat

[drowsy stump]

people whine over game modes. You should be more sad that people lack the cognitive ability to adapt. Every match is a stab in the heart at how dense people really are. From the people that don’t understand being under the platform crushes you to the no idea whose shooting me. People can’t function at this high paced shooter but want to really bad. That’s honestly why I think there are so many ignorant people running into walls and fumbling every grenade throw. Beautiful game but to advanced for simple minds.

[pearl mica]

What rank are you if you don't mind?

[terse lark]

bro you're comparing nukes to cloak. nukes where genuinely op. I'm not saying I like that nukes just don't exist now a days. Bro cloak and light in general is annoying not bc it's strong it's bc people don't know how to counter it aka a fucking skill issue. it will always be a fucking skill issue. no good player complains about cloak, never have, it's only low skill players like you that want to be good at the game without taking the time to learn how to play it

[humble fulcrum]

cops (viaya security) vs robbers (hackers) event when???

[swift jetty]

some gadgets take way too long to level up, APS turret for example…

[cyan crane]

Is it intended that people get resurrected with almost full hp?

[cedar forum]

bronze 4, I don't play ranked

[forest veldt]

Should add new Slime mine/grenade gadget that leaves pool of goo that slows people that walk through it. not sure which class it should go to, but would be cool.
I think heavy needs more traversal tools. Rocket boots as a specialization would be pretty sweet.

[timber sage]

for more meaningful feedback, please buff light, buff 93r, nerf sword, nerf throwing knives, nerf GLs, nerf heavy and nerf shotguns
no one uses the 93r, i keep dying to swords and throwing knives in pubs, fuck dying to GLs and shotguns IMO, light's pretty damn useless for even staying alive (no wonder people throw as light)

[odd ibex]

U want everything nerfed and u give no context why,u think u r the type of person to give meaningful feedback?

[quick coyote]

The industry needs to come together and create a robust anti cheat detection system that detects DMA / memory accessing and interfacing or any actions against it in anyway

[queen cloud]

most anti cheats including eac already detect dma... There are much better methods though.

There will always be rats trying to cheat, even with the most intrusive anti cheat there will always be ways to get around it.
But for sure devs should make a better job to make it harder to cheat

[brittle obsidian]

93R is pretty much the only light weapon with no niche or distinguishing qualities besides being burst. Its got a pretty fast reload so it would be cool to see that get buffed alongside improved hip-fire accuracy and magazine size, turning it into a sustain fire beast instead of a quirkier V9S.

[cinder ridge]

Probably bc their last game they had a cheater on their team and boosted the sbmm

[quick coyote]

can yall join a ranked match?

[dreamy mirage]

In this game cheaters gets 1 day ban suspension, it's ridicolous every evening after I come back from work, I can't enjoy the game anymore, I am a hardstuck D3 I face 10 to 20 cheaters (I am talking about RAGE HACKERS) every evening in Asia servers. The devs don't even acknowledge the problem, yesterday Nexon hosted a stream tournament for Japan, it boosted the views to 20k on Twitch, the JP players are former apex legends pro players, they dropped the game immediately because the game is full of cheaters. The finals gained 0 players from that 20k people watching because Asia is infested by cheaters. The game is good, the devs are good, the lead managament is bad. They have no experience on how marketing works. Devs are just releasing skins and doing nothing more on the game atm. Embark and Nexon have gone negative on the investment in my opinion, they are not bothering into fixing the anticheat it costs too much, they are a small team. With that said I have enough of playing against cheaters and being ignored by the devs ignoring everyone calls on the cheating situation. I am talking about Asia but it's spreading quickly everywhere.

[violet wing]

waited twice for 12 minutes and just gave up

[pearl mica]

That will be why you don’t see them. In high rank matches they are fairly common

[tight basin]

+1

[shy swan]

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[quick coyote]

did theese idiots revert light class to playable state or continuing deleting his weapon and skills?

[stuck ocean]

It s not only on Asians server even i have to admit it s a whole other dimension there 😅. Unfortunately when i saw it was Nexon company i was sure it s gonna be only about money and they made it, cosmectics are bangers imo so you buy the bundle and other stuff but they don t care about the rest. Nexon make great game but manage poorly as you stated. The game gonna run until they start loosing a little bit of money then they gonna drop it like they did for the mobile games ( ex HiT players here who was so cool but so whale oriented ). It s such a shame cause The Finals reworked the battle royale genre actually on the market, concept, etc... Trying to have fun but it s complicated while playing on console against more PC players with MnK ( and cheats for some ) and also the strike pack and chronus and other shits users. On european server btw.

[quaint forge]

Are you guys gonna fix the messed up sbmm? I just deranked twice from my last sessions and today, and it’s so frustrating when I have gold teammates and I have to go against diamond three stacks

[wind flame]

The flamethrower should not be the best weapon when it requires no skill

[upper citrus]

It’s not even close to the best weapon. Also, aiming is not the only skill that exists in this game

[smoky gust]

bro you're comparing nukes to cloak
no, you wanted an example of the devs nerfing something because people think its annoying
so here you go

don't know how to counter it
you say that with no basis
for all you know the people complaining could have 500 hours

it also has been mentioned multiple times by different people that visibility and audio on cloak is bugged and doesn't work sometimes

if it weren't as buggy and inconsistent, I wouldn't have issues with it

it will always be a fucking skill issue
again buggy
id understand you saying that if it worked properly
but currently were drawing straws

low skill players like you
again, no basis

you seem to be dead set on using this as your main argument, while ignoring counterarguments

[kindred abyss]

Haven't been able to win a tournament since the cross play change. There's nothing to be done as a console player when you're up against M&K players either beaming with the scar, head glitching the Lewis gun on a barricade or just straight up cheating. Great game, but the disadvantages to consoles are now just too great. It's amazing that I can't even even the field by using M&K myself because it's not supported for some reason.

[glossy spire]

Update: I decided to queue up one more time. Second round had 2 rage aimbotters on the same team. So overall, in 3 rounds played today, I played against 3 aimbots. I am actually quitting this game until they fix the problem which is too bad because I really like this game.

[quick coyote]

Game has too much cheating,ranked sucks and also why when you make an account you can’t change ur name let me easily change my name in the settings and make light 165 hp mid 310
and heavy 555 it will make so you don’t get decimated by 1 guy with 10 bullets

[calm rock]

There should be a way to leave games without being penalized when your teammates dont spawn in ranked matches. I hate having to sit through an entire tanked match knowing I’m gonna lose when my teammates just don’t connect and I’m immediately down 1 or both teammates

[proven ibex]

The only game crashing on Xbox 🤣🤣 never ever experienced this in my life on console with any game. It became unplayable while in tournaments. I lost hopes on devs, they're more focused on buffs and nerfs, got busy satisfying cry babies. I'm lmao 🤣 while typing this, no game ever crashed on my Xbox.

[river plover]

so basically you are saying buff the hp of the weakest class in the game by 10% and buff the hp of the heavy by 60%
while heavy can already outdps a light easily. 165 hp light will get killed by 1 rpg + 1 FCAR shot or 1 rpg + 1 lewis shot.
555 hp heavy will take 2 xp-54 mags to kill even when hitting every shot

You're right mb I shouldnt feed the white ranks

[glass fjord]

Dont feed the white names 😂

[smoky gust]

I think glitch mines need a buff of some kind (maybe duration?)

You always need to ask yourself: "what do I gain from x, if I choose it instead of y"

Glitch mines only help you for 6 seconds (and the enemy is still incredibly lethal during that time)
Meanwhile with explosive mines, it would have taken them ~13 seconds to get back to full hp
That is, if they haven't been outright killed by a double stack

Currently you give up "free" kills and half the duration in which they would be helpful
Just to face off enemies that are almost as strong as if you had you not used it in the first place

[tropic swift]

I saw the entire tornament video on Youtube and everybody in the live comments either said they wanted the game to be popular or was interested in playing. It's a shame their first impressions of their first game would be cheaters. The game is easily A tier based on gameplay but everything else is C-

[old furnace]

Seriously the cheater situation is out of control right now. At least every 2 games there is a very obivious hacker in ranked (Plat 2, EU).

Edit: It wasn't that bad in the last weeks. My mate and I rarely encountered obivious hackers. When I talk about obvious I mean really obvious, with constantly headshotting halfway across the map.

[sturdy python]

Rank and Matchmaking needs to revert back to season 1, more than likely they are going to wait till season 2 is over or weekend player count reaches 5,000 or lower during peak hours. this rank system is stright grabage

[main knot]

Like crossplay

[rose surge]

Revert the cloak nerf

[inland root]

we need a BRUCELEE outfit you can almost make his icon yellow and black outofit

[turbid tree]

@manic compass
Everything is logical. But when you shoot at your feet and light is standing next to you, literally clinging to you. Then such a shot is likely to survive only light. Its stupid
@manic compass
But light does not sacrifice anything at the same time. There is no compromise.

Heavy

1. Why can heavy take a lot of damage by shooting at his feet with an rpg?
2. Maybe we should give heavy lh1 by taking it from light? In my opinion, heavy has the poorest arsenal among all classe. And now take a look at lh1. This weapon looks too gigantic in Light's hands. This weapon has a large spread of bullets. Lh1 does not make light stronger in any way. Just the opposite. Any other light weapon will be much more effective. Heavy is the slowest class. And most of the time he plays positionally. The Lh1 has a pretty fast recharge. Heavy can effectively defend himself by wielding this weapon. The Lh1 has a small cartridge, but a fairly fast reload. Heavy can effectively defend himself using this weapon. This weapons will give you a new gaming experience. Given the tendency that heavy's abilities make each patch weaker, then you need to compensate for this with firepower.

[manic compass]

If you throw a bomb at your feet you take damage. That's how all explosives in the game work.RPG would be broken if you didn't take self damage

@valtorr.#0000 it's called a trade off. an instant 140 would be broken asf if you didn't have any risk behind it.

No comment on lh1 besides the fact I dont think heavy would super benefit from it considering the lack of use already

[quick coyote]

Round events feedback:

ORBITAL LASER: This event barely impacts at all and only works for breaking floors, it doesn't posses any danger to players, maybe make it follow the player so it actually is dangerous and needs people to seek cover.
DEATHMATCH: This event has been bugged since Open Beta, maybe even further, it's supposed to give you more cash per kill but it still gives you 200$ per kill even with wipes it's the same.
ALIEN INVASION: This barely does anything and only lifts some structures, maybe make it so the projectiles have EMP effects if it hits players and make it so players in the beam have the effect of low gravity
METEOR SHOWER: This event also barely does anything, barely affecting the match at all besides setting stuff on fire, maybe make it so players have to actually search for cover during this.

IF you ever want to bring DEAD-GO-BOOM back, just make it so it has less damage, radius and make it either take like 3 seconds to activate or don't activate if killed by melee.

[sharp jasper]

I want to watch High Elo Tournaments through the client, considering this is a gameshow, there should be a way to jump and spectate an ongoing tournament

[upper citrus]

Heavy should not have strong ranged options ever. Do not give the LH1 to heavy. There is a reason almost every heavy weapon is close range

[dense escarp]

You want light to go up 15 and heavy to go up 205hp you’re crazy 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[violet elbow]

I have an amazing piece of feedback

start listening to people who will actually keep your game alive, like the comp scene or the twitch side of things, and not .5 casuals that complain about a class thats if anything underwhelming in high tier play. 👍

[terse lark]

the devs nerfed nukes bc for the reason that they were op. not bc some people complained about them

you say that with no basis
for all you know the people complaining could have 500 hours
i have over 300 hours in the game. i know people who have also been playing this game since lauch and some since beta. they dont think the cloak nerf was necessary, though most of them would have rather cloak be reworked than nerfed like this tho. others just want the cloak nerf to be reverted

id understand you saying that if it worked properly
but currently were drawing straws
how are you supposed to know how cloak is supposed to work, are you a dev? no your not, so you cant say cloak is supposed to work a certain way.

again, no basis
wdym "no basis" holy shit bro its not hard to listen for sound cues and look for shimmers

honestly it doesnt even matter anymore, this game will sadly probably be dead before season 3 even come out

@smoky gust

others have 300 hours and think it needs to be changed
maybe it did need a change, maybe it didnt. but this change was not the right one.

when the game then bugs out and removes it, its safe to say that that's not intentional
this has never happened to me, but if the game is bugging out and not showing the shimmer propertly and the sound is not working how does that equate to "cloak op/cloak annoying" the devs should fix the bugs in their game and fix the audio sound cues while they are at it.
again, this game wont even make it to season 3 if things keep going how they are. something needs to change

also, ||skill issue||

[ruby ginkgo]

We really-really miss the text chat, at least not in game but in a menu lobby.
Or the ability to look into person's steam profile if he added you as a friend inside a game.

Had to communicate with a dude that didn't have a mic by saying "Switch to heavy class if you want to join in Discord or smth"
He had to look for me in the steam eventually, good thing my embark username and steam are the same

[summer yoke]

• MMH/HHM/MMM meta dominates ranked play since day 1
• FCAR laser beam with dummy HS multiplier
• Double or triple stacked heal beams that track through walls
• 350 HP heavy with arm shield, dome shield, pocket panic rocket launcher

Embark: “We’re nerfing Light again! And again the next update! Love you guys<3”

[soft blaze]

think im finally giving up on this game, spawns are a mess and ranked is awful solo

[wary wedge]

Devs please do something about hackers! RapidMoney#5565

[quick coyote]

add FSR 1 and 3?

[smoky gust]

the devs nerfed nukes bc for the reason that they were op. not bc some people complained about them
the devs don't just suddenly have a change of heart and decide to change things
they change things because of feedback

in that case, nukes are like bank it
the devs made a decision (creating nukes/removing bank it)
people give feedback (nerf nukes/keep bank it)
and the devs act accordingly

nukes were op, so people complained, leading to the devs nerfing it

so its a valid example

i have over 300 hours in the game. i know people who have also been playing this game since lauch and some since beta. they dont think the cloak nerf was necessary
others have 300 hours and think it needs to be changed

and this isn't even relevant to the thing you want to disprove with it

you're bad
why do you think i am?
i have 300 hours

see how that doesn't fit?

how are you supposed to know how cloak is supposed to work, are you a dev? no your not, so you cant say cloak is supposed to work a certain way.
the devs added the noise and shimmer effect to give a bit of counterplay to cloak
everyone that defends cloak hinges it on this

so id say that's how its supposed to work

when the game then bugs out and removes it, its safe to say that that's not intentional

wdym "no basis" holy shit bro its not hard to listen for sound cues and look for shimmers
no, that's true, its not
when the game bugs out and just straight up doesn't do it though, then it isn't helping

that's the issue

honestly it doesnt even matter anymore, this game will sadly probably be dead before season 3 even come out
bit of a pessimistic outlook on things

but yeah, if you go to the discord and want to express your frustrations
just to be hit by someone with "SKILL ISSUE" probably isn't helping

[quick coyote]

Increase level cap please.
After completing the Battle Pass and reaching Level 50, there is basically no reason to do daily quests and whatnot and any exp we get is basically wasted.

I suggest making more Level tiers, they don't have to be filled with rewards on each tier, make it like 1 cosmetic every 10-20 level or you could make it empty and add the rewards later.

[kindred magnet]

Can you please restore smoke grenades to actual smoke grenades? They are almost essentially useless now and were one of the niche light equipment that actually made them valuable if used correctly. People complained that it was too hard to see in the smokes... isnt that what they are supposed to be for?

I mean shit you wanna nerf stun gun and invis again thats fine man but smoke grenades really didnt need a nerf imo/

[quasi niche]

Add a 1v1 system in private matches

[upper citrus]

How long have you two been arguing

[formal canopy]

I have reached lvl 62 on the battlepass but I still cannot access things from lvl 57 I think lol

[main knot]

This game was so good and now feel so bad

[wind frost]

Decided to hop back on for season 2, after putting hundreds of hours in season 1, and i gotta say, most if not all the problematic gameplay problems have been fixed. But I got reminded of one of the other reasons i stopped in season one. You can't see anything. Wether it's looking out through windows or the maps being insanely hazy, theres just so many situations where the visual clarity is so unbelivably bad you might as well turn off your monitor. I get that it looks great, or whatever, but it's really very irritating.

[oak gate]

Honestly I think I’ve lost hope for this game now, we are like 5 weeks now since season 2 launched and I feel like basically nothing has changed in the game. We got new weapons that are so bad nobody uses them, we got 3 new gadgets that I only see used on occasion, we got a new map that I still believe isn’t that good, we got a new game mode that it feels the devs have abandoned and forgotten about. The meta has gone from just getting stale to full on mouldy now. Every ranked match I play just feels the same, rarely see any variation outside the meta.

Cheating is such an issue that Im starting to question if someone is really good or just subtle cheating.

The ranked system feels like a downgrade from season 1, S1 ranked definitely wasn’t perfect, but atleast it felt like you were progressing something, but now idk if I’m even close to ranking up or anything.

Also why even have ranks at this point? Gold plat and diamond just all get chucked into one lobby, why is my team of plat 3 going up against a team of diamond 1 players? What’s even the point in trying to get to the final round when we have no chance in hell of winning that.

I’ve spent many hours in the Finals and had some great times with it. But right now I’m at the point where I’m glad the game is dying and I hate feeling that way, but honestly I doubt there’s any major recovery of player numbers possible now. I’d predict we get a season 3, and then the game dies before season 4. To me this game just reeks of wasted potential, Embark really did have a chance to build something great and long lasting

[stray rampart]

Also the input lag is horrible atm, embark please optimize the game that's all I want at this point!

[iron ivy]

FIX THIS

[vital raven]

I would like to mention, literally the only reason I won't ever be buying the L.E. Demon Mask is because I can't wear it with another hat. I'm aware/sure there are clipping issues, but damn man, what a cool mask... Can't wear it with my bucket hat... worthless

[cinder ridge]

You don’t like standing in place while getting fucked by three big heavymen?

[sinful valve]

Im gonna start advocating general pings of CMS. The biggest issue nowdays imo is not only do we not know where the balance will be, or how systems work, but it feels, in general, that the playerbase isnt heard.

The entire bug forum areas go silent, and oftentimes its easier to have multiple players figure out the problem then the actual devs. Constant no communication/unclear communication hurts, and oftentimes actively compounds the feelings of anger and uncertainty towards the game.

We dont get polls on the discord, we dont get any way to input in a clear and concise way to the devs and Embark how we want the game to be, and it needs to change.

Stop relying on backend pickrates and stats embark, and start using your Community Managers to get the game into a better place.

(This message does not advocate hatespeech, harassment, or spam. Ping at your own pace, and do not be toxic)

That being said, @quick coyote im gonna choose you for this message. Anything you can do to help us acheive open communication will be a boon, otherwise i think players are going to continue to become dissapointed in this game and leave.

[quick coyote]

I mean I play the game and relay most of the feedback I see & my personal feedback about the game up. I know it can seem like we aren't listening but we are. Sometimes changes just take a bit to make it into the live build

[sinful igloo]

1. ADVERTISE, its a good game but man nobody hears about this game unless u chose to look into it
2. rework the tutorial, make it aware how long things are, cashouts, opening boxes, etc, also telling us the ammount of cash u get per kill and open, its very divided on what ranked players know vs casual players know.
3. BUFF, not nerf. buffing adds more options to players allowing them to experiment with loadouts, if everything is equally good or 1 does better than the other or works well with this gadget, theres no need for a "meta" . nerfing makes players grouchy and have to look for sum other crappier option.

[tawdry owl]

maybe a feature where people can vote to skip the opening cutscene to a game? Its a good cutscene but after playing for almost 200 hours im a little sick of it

[tall cradle]

Introduce CNS announcer barks in S3, since they're already changing the game why not have them interact with the world a bit more and mess with Scotty and June

[river plover]

Fix the spawns please they have been broken since launch just revert them to how it was in S1 Im so sick of spawning 130 meters away PLEASE
I actually think its a big part of why everyone is getting angry at everything now (myself included) dying to anything is annoying asf now cus that means the next 40 seconds you'll just be doing nothing (or even 1 full minute if you die and teamwipe right as you are about to coin)

[queen cloud]

yup. Option to disable TAUU alone would help A LOT. But some effects also need toned down, like flame brightness

[hybrid crystal]

I feel like flash grenades should get a faster deploy time buff. But maybe shorten the distance you can throw them.

[upper citrus]

this is your internet 😭

[green dove]

In my opinion you guys should nerf the grenade launcher for the medium class bc every time I play ranked I see a little Timmy using the grenade launcher and getting elims left and right and the range on the launcher is insane.

[tender reef]

Sounds like a setting issue.
Crystal Clear screen over here, no matter the situation.

[quick coyote]

Make all the characters run faster OR make bigger teams the game is not “fast paced” its slow

[rose surge]

Revert the cloak nerf 🤌🫡

[wind frost]

It's not a setting issue

[misty jasper]

https://youtu.be/CyB-jDsuZdY?si=zMhQHLyIS8POodiM

[sacred reef]

Fix ranked man like there is no way im not ranked up yet and i cant even see how close i am

[pseudo breach]

Just love getting put in to games that only last 30 seconds. Can't wait for the 10 second games or it to be over as soon as I spawn in.

[pseudo leaf]

if a team has an afk in ranked make them not lose ranked points + servers down

[modern saffron]

[smoky cape]

are the servers down? Cant login to the game

[pseudo relic]

The finals isn't work, for some reason I can't run a game pleace, Help.

[strange plover]

Patience is a virtue 😌

[night dune]

@quick coyote @quick coyote Does THE FINALS consider itself to be a racist game ?

[grizzled crane]

Servers down ?

[valid fern]

they're kinda iffy rn. if you wait you should be able to get in

[marble gull]

Please dont punish me tag is Africanbatman96 got kicked from ranked between rounds <@&1012034066876473384>

[quick coyote]

ugh

[quick coyote]

checking

[merry creek]

TFLA0021 on xbox???

Just been allowed back onto game but banned 30 mins because of that disconnect?! Wtf..

[jaunty loom]

+1 TykeMyson

[velvet burrow]

servers down for me too

[dry raft]

I'm loading a game but our friend is solo in a game without us

[terse lark]

again? this literally happened like 2 days ago

[stone gulch]

same for me

[supple oasis]

the game is loading in void

[signal viper]

yes

[wooden dome]

sadge

[proven ibex]

CNS hacked the game🤣😂

[urban marsh]

is me or the game is down?

[pure forum]

Yeah.. Same.. My friend is in game alone..

[loud nymph]

literally just joined a pwoer shift game with 1 person on each team

[arctic relic]

game is down

[shut shuttle]

Same

[dull elm]

Besides everyday talking about the server in a feedback channel....

We need some action towards marketing before it's too late. Focus on the custom games and make a tournament or at least pay some streamers to play the game
I totally get the fix game before letting people play it but by the time that happened macros next 'dead games' vid is dropped and the finals will be in it

[main knot]

Thnx

[simple burrow]

bring a custom game mode of how the game was in cb2 minus nukes revert all nerfs, devs need to stop listening to people complaining and bring this game back to the vision embark had not listening to every person crying. yeah maybe things were a little strong but cb2 was PEAK the most fun the game has ever been (in my opinion) FOCUS ON YOUR VISION FOR THE GAME EMBARK NOT PEOPLE CRYING ON DISCORD.

[strong escarp]

[BUFFS TO UNDERUSED WEAPONS]

(LIGHT)

• 93R: Decrease delay between bursts from ~0.235s to 0.2s
• 93R: Increase fire rate from ~1020 RPM to 1100 RPM.
• 93R: Increase base damage from 24 to 25.

The 93R suffers from slower TTK than the any other Light SMG, pistol, or even the LH1 (which is a mid-range gun!). These changes will make it more competitive, killing faster than an XP-54 but slower than an M11/V9S, and making it less punishing for partially missed bursts.

• SH1900: Increase damage per pellet from 15 to 16.

This makes the SH1900 hit a breakpoint where it's possible to kill a Heavy with 2 shots and a quick melee. It's a practically useless gun, otherwise.

• SR-84: Increase base damage from 115 to 120.

Given its 2x headshot multiplier, this makes the SR-84 hit a breakpoint where it can kill a Heavy in 1 headshot, and 1 bodyshot. This does not change the number of shots-to-kill on other classes.

(MEDIUM)

• AKM: Increase damage from 20 to 21.

As it stands, this starter gun makes for a poor baseline to balance around, as it kills slower than both of Heavy's LMGs (and even has LESS RANGE than the Lewis Gun!). Make it make sense! Lighter classes should kill faster than heavier classes to counterbalance their health pools! This buff will achieve 0.7s TTK vs. Lights (unchanged), 1.1s TTK vs. Mediums, and 1.6s TTK vs. Heavies, all while accounting for the massive damage per magazine that this gun has.

• Model 1887: Increase fire rate from ~67 RPM to 75 RPM.
• Model 1887: Increase damage dropoff distance from 15-20m to 20-30m.

These changes will make the Model's TTK competitive with the new AKM while giving it greater consistency when poking at range.

• R.357: Increase fire rate from ~140 RPM to 155 RPM.

These changes will make the R.357's TTK competitive with the new AKM.

• FAMAS: Increase base damage from 23 to 24.

As it stands, the FAMAS not only the slowest killing AR, but it's also too punishing for missed bursts. This singular change will AT LEAST the FAMAS competitive with the new AKM, while accounting for its difficulty of usage.

• CL-40: Increase direct hit damage from 110 to 120.
• CL-40: Increase splash damage from 75 to 80.
• CL-40: Allow it to deal a small amount of damage to APS Turrets for each blocked shot.

CL-40 is in a weird place where it's automatically useless when the enemy deploys an APS Turret, but is somewhat usable without that. These changes would make it hit a breakpoint where it can 3-hit kill Heavies, while also making APS Turrets less of a hassle to deal with.

• Riot Shield: Increase damage from 84 to 90.

This lets the Riot Shield hit a breakpoint where it can 4-hit kill Heavies.

(HEAVY)

• KS-23: Increase fire rate from 73 RPM to 90 RPM.
• KS-23: Decrease base damage from 100 to 96.
• KS-23: Add a 1.5x headshot multiplier
• KS-23: Increase damage dropoff distance from 18-23m to 25-30m.

As it stands, the KS-23 is a middling weapon to use, killing slower than Heavies LMGs and auto shotgun while being harder to use. These changes will make the KS-23 more competitive with those guns, while also adding more of a skill-based component to it.

• MGL-32: Increase base damage from 83 to 90.
• MGL-32: Enable explosion on direct hit.
• MGL-32: Allow it to deal a small amount of damage to APS Turrets for each blocked shot.

Allows the MGL-32 to hit a breakpoint where it can 4-hit Heavies, and also greatly increases its consistency by enabling shotgun-like capabilities at extreme close range, and making APS Turret easier to deal with. No need to worry about it making the KS-23 redundant, since that gun will have greater consistency at range anyway.

[worn yacht]

Having trouble loading game up to even start , even more trouble to get a match . My friend got in solo no one else in lobby

[cursive kindle]

1. Ik the data reshaped got buffed but I feel like a nice in addition would be this: So you know the clouds of smoke gas and fire, what if you could data reshape those down to the gas/fire/smoke canisters making it very useful
2. Another improvement to rank profession e.g it would look like this

Previous<—-Current—->Next

This will be a bar and will show you how close you are to your next rank

[smoky gust]

Just buffing isnt always the solution

People complain about being beamed by fcar
If we buff the other assault rifles to be on par with it, then sure, they are more viable next to it (which leads to less fcar usage)
But now all the weapons have the complained about beaming potential

(Not sure if i explained that well but i think you know what i mean)

[quick coyote]

This game shouldnt have released yet its so obvious, i just got into a game where half the lobby didnt spawn in until halftime and there was a hacker on one the teams who ruined everything. Make sure to pump out some more fortnite skins though right? Why even start "seasons" if there isnt a pro scene or anything just a few active players?

[dense swan]

why is it that we get afk suspension when we crash and reload into the game that is messed up and constant conecting players

[covert dock]

Umm servers are down?

[sand ridge]

I’m saying

[simple parrot]

If I have suggestions for things I'd think would be cool if they were added can I drop it here? (henlo im new👉 👈

[valid path]

was just about to say... servers down?

[pearl vapor]

been looking at a black screen for 5 mins now

[sturdy arch]

Unable to login in the game match and One friend can't login in the game

[barren vigil]

Servers down?!

[drowsy vector]

Update on servers please

[quick coyote]

Last thing we need right now is a CL buff.... Medium already has a great arsenal, it's just the FCAR that's sticking out.

[stray rampart]

Excellent servers!

EDIT: Lost the match because no one joined my team and there were 2 full teams!!

[wraith sinew]

yup game is down

[deft valve]

😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

[verbal pike]

keep getting error when joining game it just kicks me out

[vast turtle]

Remember that this is the game feedback channel, keep the argument that way

[wise cliff]

The game needs some actual consistent advertising campaigns like we were promised in Nexon's Financial Report.

[pale turret]

It’s unfair to lose a rank because the game can’t fill a tournament you should put more energy on promoting your game and partnerships.... It’s shameful

[remote kindle]

Was able to reconnect but still got a 40 min ban...

[slim sun]

Make it less addictive

[subtle canyon]

i reconnected, then in loading screen to second KO Round (won as i could saw in stream with friend) i got a ban and my mate was alone, even i was able to reconnect brother

[tight musk]

The return of investment might not be all that great with more money spent in advertising at this stage of this game. To catch lightning in a bottle is extremely rare and they whiffed majorly in the first few weeks of this game in both promotion (both through Ads, streamers, content creators, etc)

[somber nymph]

Advertisement Idea: Creator Tournament. You get (Blank Amount) of creators to fight in a tournament style game and the players/viewers get to vote on who they think is going to win and, if that creator that you voted on wins you get rewards based around that creator brand

[verbal smelt]

rocket launcher and grenade launcher are too frustrating to play against

[sonic salmon]

AGREEE

[quaint forge]

Can I please get past the first knockout round in ranked without having a team that doesn’t coordinate while I’m against a full diamond stack? I just deranked so much in just two playing sessions and I’m trying to have fun

[sonic remnant]

I've had issues recently where my screen goes black during matches for 2 or 3 seconds. It doesn't happen in any other games, have you experienced this?

[rugged wadi]

Are servers back?

[ebon tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-mandalorian-star-wars-this-is-the-way-gif-18467372

[wet dragon]

If everything is good nothing is OP. If everything is good everything is fun. If everything is nerfed to meet the level of the crappy gadgets, abilities, or weapons, then all of a sudden nothing is fun.

[sharp jasper]

Instead of VRS they should use the money you cash out to get new equipment

[true jasper]

I have reached the point where I can't stand the interactive system and server of the game.I don't know how this is designed. Once my network fluctuates for more than 10 seconds or so, it will show that I cannot get a connection to the server. The stupid thing is that even if the network has returned to normal, it is basically impossible to return to the game through the reconnect button. In addition, the entry game itself is much slower than other games, which is simply torture.
I don't understand why you don't give points. For those who have lost people, this does not affect the balance at all, nor is it a technical problem. Why not show the delay of teammates on the scoreboard? These simple actions can solve one of the most painful causes for players.
Also a stupid interactive system. If you want to have some slightly more complicated communication and cooperation, it will be a disaster, not to mention that many people like to turn off their voices or just get tired. If you play your own game with a little high intensity, you should know that you need to improve your radio system. This game requires communication more than all FPS I have ever played, even compared to some tactical games.The reason is because it is very fast-paced, and because there are only 3 people in each team, everyone is very important.This is the immature suggestion I gave, (assuming you don't know
how to make chat boxes) it's actually very easy to implement. PLS increase the number of communication roulette wheels by 3 or even more, and allow shortcut keys to be set for each sound, and allow players to customize text messages, which can also be sent out after death, which is not difficult for any game.
In my opinion, this is a game with great potential, but now. In most cases, winning is like constipation, while losing is like eating shit. This is largely due to carelessness in some simple details. Hope it can be improved.

[carmine warren]

I kinda love this idea

[wise cliff]

It's likely they don't allow 1v1 matches because of how expensive it would be to let so many people waste their server space that could have been used for at least 6 players. What is odd about this is that this major concern would be addressed even better by allowing tournaments in private matches If they don't wanna waste server space, it only makes sense to let 64 players use one server.

There's already an e-sports scene trying to flourish in The Finals Masters Series and they had to create their own bracket system because Embark won't allow private tournaments to happen

[smoky gust]

Thats true and we should try to stick to that

But sometimes you have to nerf to solve problems
Look at the fcar example
How would you solve the issues people are having with it, without nerfing it?

[keen lily]

ranked is so random, getting only one arrow up for tournament win is crazy at dia2

[crystal umbra]

FREE IDEA

The social aspect of this game needs HELP:
-In game clip saving/trimming
-File share system
-Allow pregame lobbies
-allow us to show off our clips
-implement a voting system for our clips
-highest rated/best clips get showcased by community leads periodically
Maybe do weekly showcases of clips on Social Media?

---

I think a file share system would be cool.
(I'm thinking of Halo 3.) Being able to clip our best/funniest moments and have them available for the whole lobby of contents to view and vote on would be cool.

Taking it a step further we could showcase the clips that get voted on most and are chosen to be showcases by community leads etc.

The same way you guys advertised the game between the beta and the release. Doing that was legendary advertisement imo.

Plz upgrade in-game voice chat...

((I personally think when the social aspect of The Finals gets upgraded the game will blow up))

Thanks for your consideration 🚀

[dull elm]

I'm really hoping this will be seen

I've told my opinion about the light nerfs already (#👂┇game-feedback message)

But nerfs and buffs aren't my decision to make
So the thing I'll be asking for is a 'detailed' explanation as to why the nerfs. Something like 'we chose to do these nerfs because we've been noticingbla bla and now implementing these nerfs hoping for bla bla

It's very nice knowing the mindset behind big changes and it'll just show that there are some thoughts behind it

So once again I hope this will be seen and implemented
It's only telling the reason why y'all chose to implement the nerfs, that's all and I'm happy

[random thunder]

brilliant idea wth

[placid cobalt]

I hate moving platforms as is (Seoul is the worst)
But there is a bug where if goo is on a Moving Platform (sometimes on a ledge as well) and you climb up right next to the goo, or even sometimes jump near the goo, you will be trapped inside it, unable to move or do anything.

[astral thorn]

Tournament mode is just not working, most of the time one team is uncontested while the other point is getting 3rd partied. 3v3v3v3 it's just too random

[terse lark]

think a casual deathmatch mode could be fun

[dull forge]

The ranked system is very weird..
I recently ranked up to plat 1. After that, I played two games: both got to round 3. Played 1 more game, got knocked out first round, and immediately ranked down to plat 2? These are the only 3 games I played after ranking up to plat 1. How is this even possible?

[dry raft]

Why -1 arrow ? I won 3 matchs on 4 🤨

[wise cliff]

GREAT idea. The game has so much potential por social aspects down to the very customization of the contestants. Why not let us do our own photoshoot to impress the sponsors? The wallpapers and concept art for the game fully nails the urban gameshow vibe yet the game itself comes across as flat and lacking dynamism in the way the contestants are handled before and after match. Inject some more style into the game, it needs a real identity. Let us show our "drip" in-game since you have so many cool clothes, implement a community tab under the style of TV reruns to keep the theme consistent.

[willow leaf]

I feel like the medium class just doesn’t fit this game. This game is at its best with its cool movement and destructible environment and medium just doesn’t focus on either of these while light and heavy do.

[broken lake]

It'd be nice if invis on light was replaced by a specialization that let us run through walls like a ghost or something

[neat fossil]

I have been using Thermal Vision quite a bit recently to get the spray and charm and this gadget has soooo many visual bugs. #👂┇game-feedback

Like a crazy number of visual bugs:

1. When someone uses a vanishing bomb they become completely invisible to thermals for the vanishing bombs "grace" period. Due to lowered visual fidelity tracking their shimmer is also near impossible (As someone who does not have an issue with this usually, even at mid range.)

2. When an invisible person is backlit by the sky, or glass in certain situations, they no longer have an outline. They do not "blend" with the background, they simply lose their outline.

3. When running thermals and invisibility in some situations the whole screen will turn white.

4. In some circumstances people inside of smoke canisters will not be highlighted and instead be dark as if they were at long range, heavily blending with the smoke visual. (This may be intentional but seems a strange choice if it is, as thermals should counter smoke in most R-P-S situations.)

5. When scoped through the sniper rifle sometimes the whole screen turns white, this happens particularly often on Sys$Horizon, even more so when the "Fog" modifier is applied.

6. Lack of visual fidelity, when you get close to objects your whole screen can turn black and become almost impossible to distinguish where you are, this happens often when maneuvering through houses, as windows and doors can become very difficult to see.

7. Shields are nearly invisible past a certain range when thermals are active, this can make determining the right target to select difficult resulting in wasted ammo/damage.

8. The revive hologram is almost invisible in all situations, it is barely distinguishable as a slightly different shade than the background it is obscuring.

Thermals probably have an absurdly low pick rate, but that could be because of their drawbacks and visual problems, like how they only work out to around mid range.

[crystal umbra]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

I actually love this idea. It encourages team play. Awesome idea.

-Encouraging team/objective play.
-Maybe add contracts on the career system that that tell us to add friends to lobbies and play with them.
Example: Circuit contract - "Win a match with a friend on your team"

---

Id suggest an incentive like an XP boost for multiple rounds together and playing with friends and giving each other positive ratings (in a hypothetical future rating system).
Also Incentivising team play like assists and reviving would help in separating this game from others for new players to understand it's a team game. Just worth a shot?...

[quick coyote]

[icy bronze]

1v1 or practice with friends

[gusty wagon]

fix cl40 please

[keen lily]

I also got issues after I hit dia 1 and got demoted after taking 2nd place in a tournament lol. I think the ranked system is not working at all at high plat

[glass fjord]

Ranked system is fucked, when is the rework supposed to happen? Just played three tournaments, made it to 3rd round each time usually in first place for the wins. Me, gold 3, and first teammate, plat 2, ranked up 3 bars each game. But our friend, plat 1, goes down a bar each time. How does this make any sense?

[summer elk]

EMBARK! LET'S MOVE FORWARD!
https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1230233937281024110

[lunar creek]

+1, pay attention Embark.

[stark shoal]

Over doubling the activation cost in one update is way too drastic of a nerf for the objectively worst/least used class in the game

[blissful bridge]

The changes that need to be made in this game is as follows:
-Cheating issues
-Server issues
-Matchmaking issues

---

-Revert Cloak
-Revert C4 to an Ammo Count of 2

[tropic swift]

DONT REVERT IT PLEASE EMBARK

[glossy spire]

We hope our silence on the situation will address the issue. - The Embark Team

[upper citrus]

How are people unironically still asking for more C4 ammo. The gadget is already good it does not need its power literally doubled 😭

[dry raft]

+1 Embark are not focus on cheater and will loose everything

[pliant lion]

Is it just me or has ranked become absolutely impossible lately? I haven't been able to win a single round (including first rounds) in the last 50+ rounds I played. Everything before Platinum 3 was doable but as soon as I got into Platinum 2 it's just been lobby after lobby of cheaters beaming everyone through walls across map.

I was having fun with ranked until I hit Platinum 2 but after that I've gotten out of the first round a maybe 3 times (mind you, in about 75 matches). It's been an absolute trainwreck since. I'm still playing because I absolutely love the game but at this rate I'm either going to uninstall or jump out of a 5th floor window.

Also latest update seems to have absolutely broken the spawns. Even coining while my team is alive drops me 150+ meters from them. A team wipe drops us at least 200 meters from the objective on average.

[delicate yoke]

Buff grapple and dash if you nerf cloak

[unkempt sky]

Improvements to the game's social aspect.

•Today, social does not show whether a friend is playing or not, this information would be very good.

•Improve the invitation system, today if a friend is in a match, when he returns to the menu there is no information if he received an invitation from another friend.

[odd atlas]

Even if there aren't prizes for every level, I feel that career level should be uncapped, and then (maybe at player's discretion?) displayed on killscreen playercards. This would provide some degree of "bragging rights" and incentivize people to play more even if they've completed all contracts.

Killscreen playercards could also be enhanced if during ranked tournaments they displayed the player's competitive rank and global leaderboard position.

Perhaps long term they could be customized with statistics or achievements, similar to apex.

In general, I think that playercards are going to be a good way moving forward to enhance the gameshow aspect of the game. If players are able to display their accomplishments it would be a big plus. This would be above and beyond, but maybe the screens around the map could then display the playercard in a way that corresponds to what the announcers are saying. For example showing the playercard and something like "SUCCESSFUL STEAL // CASHOUT B"

[upper viper]

guys, there is so many shit / no skills weapons that destroying the fun of the game, pls delete mgl32, the shield and CL-40, its so annoying to play against

[woeful arch]

Cosmetics:

• Chef kiss emote.
• Baguette skin for the sword.

[worn sigil]

I had a game in ranked today where 10 people got disconnected at the start of the SF, then 3 people on pink reconnect as if they ddossed the server?

Is ddossing a thing in the finals, I thought that was just OG Apex

[turbid zealot]

Add a minigun for heavy

[woven briar]

Just want mnk back on console please and thank you

[keen lily]

ok, dia2, my random teammates (solo queue) dia 2 and dia 1, we got to 3rd round against diamomd teams and I get minus rank points for that (-1 arrow) xD really Embark fix this shit, I refuse to play this anymore. Hardstuck plat 2 (was plat 1 only for a day) since the beginning of the season.

[keen cloud]

Why did you change the username of ppl??
Its stupid

[violet thicket]

Embark, please for the love of god add the option to have a static crosshair. How hard can it really be to let me use a dot on the center of my screen?

[glass fjord]

Just letting the spectator mine bug ride or what? How is that not an instant hotfix for a game breaking bug.

[mint knoll]

Las Vegas is too flat and lacks any kind of cover or verticality which makes playing it a drag and I think it's time for a rework

[carmine dust]

This game is in absolute shambles. If your anti-cheat cannot detect a 50-bomb shooting through shield ragehacker wtf is the point in playing. And the new ranked system is so fried, losing in third round twice (once to this hacker) at d1 drops u 40+ positions (136->177->220) where as a win has max netted me about 15. Time to use a different account just so i dont want to blow my brains out every session.

[smoky cape]

I wonder if the ranking system has messed up today cause the arrow that indicates the elo seems to have reset. Like yesterday it was three arrows up from most games, and today it's back down to one arrow up per game when I reach round three.

[cursive kindle]

Here are some ideas I’ve been sitting on to improve the game

1. Ik the data reshaped got buffed but I feel like a nice in addition would be this: So you know the clouds of smoke gas and fire, what if you could data reshape those down to the gas/fire/smoke canisters making it very useful
2. Another improvement to rank profession e.g it would look like this

Previous<—-Current—->Next

This will be a bar and will show you how close you are to your next rank

[serene hearth]

YAY THIS GAME IS SO BALANCED I GET TWO TAPPED BY EVERY GUN HEAVY AND MEDIUM HAS

[blissful bridge]

-Revert Cloak
-Revert C4 to an Ammo Count of 2

[rose surge]

Revert the cloak nerf please. It's completely unusable now. It's absolutely worthless and the light class is once again useless.

[vernal path]

When waiting between the different rounds, it would be cool if there were highlights from the match you just played

[smoky gust]

I think the game needs more balance changes, to keep it fresh

In each update the game barely changes
Its the same game but these 3 items are now slightly stronger/weaker
You get used to it very quickly, which can leave it boring

To make the game a bit more interesting I recommend doing more balance changes
buff some underpowered weapons
if you come up with a cool possible playstyle, try to apply it to one of the lesser used weapons, to open up more options for the players
perhaps rework the odd item or so

give us something to do
let us figure out what changed about the meta
what new interactions formed

perhaps you could also then ask for feedback if any given change improved the game, and revert it, if it did not
this should help against the game becoming stale, incentivize players to come back each week to check what's new and improve engagement

[tender verge]

Request: can we have the ranked progression bar back?

[crimson schooner]

Loaded into a ranked game it put me in since i heared the announcer and everything even the teams and the sound when u first get into the game and im here stuck in the loading screen. SECOND time this has happened to me, it only happens in ranked like i dont understand like im losing my progression here and shit devs

[sage fjord]

😄 spot on

[turbid cave]

Battlepass needs more levels or some sort of overflow. Its too easy to finish it and if your someone whos unlocked completely everything, theres nothing to unlock anymore

The total amount of xp circuits will give you is 896,000 with all circuits unlocked. Weekly quests were rolled out to introduce circuits so you could just not play the game and immediately get the entire battlepass just by playing a week. To unlock everything in the battlepass, you need 873,000 which makes a 23,000 overflow

In addition if you did all your daily quests for every day of the season, you would also have 450,000 xp from those alone as well. Combining a total of 473,000 overflow battlepass xp (If there was more levels, you would be able to unlock 39 more (if levels above the max was 12k xp per level)

Per season:

• Total Weekly Quest XP: 896,000 XP
• Total Daily Quest XP: 473,000 XP

How much it will unlock:

• Battlepass: 1,369,000/873,000 XP (156%)
• Career Rewards: 1,369,000/1,500,000 (91.2%)

They should add more tiers to the battlepass so this excess XP gets put to use as 56% of overflow battlepass xp is insane and becomes worthless. Would be nice to have some new prestige tiers that are hard to get (like 100k xp per)

[noble solar]

your game makes me suicidal Embark

[terse lark]

same

[fierce valve]

Gonna say it every day, turn off melee snap

[burnt sedge]

I’m noticing increasingly more often I’m literally doing less damage than everyone else and I’m genuinely confused and frustrated does anyone have an explanation

[summer rune]

mines will explode when you get near them in spectator mode, i noticed mines randomly blowing up sometimes and confirmed myself that if you run into a mine in spectator mode they'll go off, even if they're friendly

[hard badger]

Glad to see the nerf on cloack, now I finally see way more people using dash and grapple and there is more a balance but I think you should nerf cloack in another manner like keep the duration of cloack before the patch but make footsteps louder when using cloack so its way more clear there is a invisible nearby.

[pine flower]

How to fix the final round: The final round is one of the most complained-about features. It’s camping simulator for one team and walking simulator for the other. They should just make the third round the final round, and the teams are eliminated one by one in a cashout musical chairs.

[quaint forge]

Bro wtf lmfoaoooo that’s insane

[harsh niche]

i mean, it is easy anticheat it might as well be non existent

[strong escarp]

[BUFFS TO UNDERUSED WEAPONS]

(LIGHT)

• 93R: Decrease delay between bursts from ~0.235s to 0.2s
• 93R: Increase fire rate from ~1020 RPM to 1100 RPM.
• 93R: Increase base damage from 24 to 25.

The 93R suffers from slower TTK than the any other Light SMG, pistol, or even the LH1 (which is a mid-range gun!). These changes will make it more competitive, killing faster than an XP-54 but slower than an M11/V9S, and making it less punishing for partially missed bursts.

• SH1900: Increase damage per pellet from 15 to 16.

This makes the SH1900 hit a breakpoint where it's possible to kill a Heavy with 2 shots and a quick melee. It's a practically useless gun, otherwise.

• SR-84: Increase base damage from 115 to 120.

Given its 2x headshot multiplier, this makes the SR-84 hit a breakpoint where it can kill a Heavy in 1 headshot, and 1 bodyshot. This does not change the number of shots-to-kill on other classes.

(MEDIUM)

• AKM: Increase damage from 20 to 21.

As it stands, this starter gun makes for a poor baseline to balance around, as it kills slower than both of Heavy's LMGs (and even has LESS RANGE than the Lewis Gun!). Make it make sense! Lighter classes should kill faster than heavier classes to counterbalance their health pools! This buff will achieve 0.7s TTK vs. Lights (unchanged), 1.1s TTK vs. Mediums, and 1.6s TTK vs. Heavies, all while accounting for the massive damage per magazine that this gun has.

• Model 1887: Increase fire rate from ~67 RPM to 75 RPM.
• Model 1887: Increase damage dropoff distance from 15-20m to 20-30m.

These changes will make the Model's TTK competitive with the new AKM while giving it greater consistency when poking at range.

• R.357: Increase fire rate from ~140 RPM to 155 RPM.

These changes will make the R.357's TTK competitive with the new AKM.

• FAMAS: Increase base damage from 23 to 24.

As it stands, the FAMAS not only the slowest killing AR, but it's also too punishing for missed bursts. This singular change will AT LEAST the FAMAS competitive with the new AKM, while accounting for its difficulty of usage.

• CL-40: Increase direct hit damage from 110 to 120.
• CL-40: Increase splash damage from 75 to 80.
• CL-40: Allow it to deal a small amount of damage to APS Turrets for each blocked shot.

CL-40 is in a weird place where it's automatically useless when the enemy deploys an APS Turret, but is middling without that. These changes would make it hit a breakpoint where it can 3-hit kill Heavies, while also making APS Turrets less of a hassle to deal with.

• Riot Shield: Increase damage from 84 to 90.

This lets the Riot Shield hit a breakpoint where it can 4-hit kill Heavies.

(HEAVY)

• KS-23: Increase fire rate from 73 RPM to 90 RPM.
• KS-23: Decrease base damage from 100 to 96.
• KS-23: Add a 1.5x headshot multiplier
• KS-23: Increase damage dropoff distance from 18-23m to 25-30m.

As it stands, the KS-23 is a middling weapon to use, killing slower than Heavy's LMGs and auto shotgun while being harder to use. These changes will make the KS-23 more competitive with those guns, while also adding more of a skill-based component to it.

• MGL-32: Increase base damage from 83 to 90.
• MGL-32: Enable explosion on direct hit.
• MGL-32: Allow it to deal a small amount of damage to APS Turrets for each blocked shot.

Allows the MGL-32 to hit a breakpoint where it can 4-hit Heavies, and also greatly increases its consistency by enabling shotgun-like capabilities at extreme close range, and making APS Turret easier to deal with. No need to worry about it making the KS-23 redundant, since that gun will have greater consistency at range anyway.

[quick coyote]

3-Game modes are all we need. "Quickplay" as a 2-round casual mode that mimics ranked where the top two teams of the 1st round go through to the Finals. "Power Shift" and "Ranked". Cashout is pointless when you could have Cashout with a Final named "Quickplay" instead. Quick Cash was a good idea, but people can mimic this experience by 3rd partying at a Cashout Station anyway. Bank It is, well, the least played game mode as per your admission. Any more modes after that should hot-swap "Power Shift" for some time to try new things, but the basis of the game should be playable casually/ranked and that means having a casual game mode with a final in it.

These changes would make balancing the game and community feedback a lot easier. Right now the opinions of different people are further split by the game mode they are playing. For example, people are complaining that Snipers need to be nerfed due to Power Shift meanwhile is almost non-existent in Ranked play. Light is incredibly strong in Bank It because Light thrives vs isolated builds, etc.

[serene hearth]

ban a guy name cetty hes is hacking in rank

[pale cloak]

I won 4 matches in a row on Quick Cash with 10+ kills and when I played ranked after those matches I lost to 2 full diamond 1 teams, and I was using fcar, defrib, granade, jump pad and demat (I have 330 hours in this game).

[halcyon depot]

It was a mistake that the invisibility and stun guns were not adjusted sufficiently in this update.
There are only people left who don't move as well even in matches that aren't ranked anymore, and people who can't keep up and drop out midway through.
There aren't many people like me who tend to stay even after being killed by a kill demon and can't even get a kill.

[timid linden]

can yall make so the trowing name mele more damage

[oblique saffron]

DO YOU PLEASE HAVE ANY ETA ABOUT DEALING WITH CHEATERS? MY TEAM GOT WIPED BY A BLATANT CHEATER FROM 200M THAT HIT ALL HEADSHOTS LIKE COME ON, YOU NEED TO SORT YOUR PRIORITIES IF YOU WANT THE GAME TO NOT BE DEAD, PEOPLE ARE LEAVING BECAUSE OF THIS

[smoky gust]

Yeah, I think that's where most of the frustration comes from

Increasing noise range and volume while reverting the nerf would make it more useable as well as improving counterplay

@quick coyote

Cashout is pointless because qualifying has no reward
I mean, you're trying to be first
Its the same goal as quick cash
Only difference is that opening vault, putting them in, stealing a cashout, eliminating opponents and wipes actually matter
You get rewarded for playing the game, unlike quick cash where only the last 30 seconds of each cashout matter

No game-mode should be removed for now
But if one had to go, I think cashout deserves to stay over quick cash

[dark tangle]

I don't understand how the ranking system works, when I get knocked out in round 3 it shows me that I'm losing rank, so in order to increase rank I have to either reach the final round or get a downgrade? (rank: platinum 1)

[pseudo jetty]

how is it balanced, that i can almost elim an entire team, but because heavies have a get out of jail free card of an RPG, they just win? ecplain how this is fair embark

[upper citrus]

It is dependent on placement and the rank of the people you’re playing against

[misty jasper]

you can almost elim an entire team as light and you're complaining about balance? hmmm

[west trellis]

wait so you're mad that there's a counter to your play? How would it be balanced that you can almost elim an entire team if there's no counter

[ebon otter]

What do you need help with?

[ancient heron]

More casual game modes like power shift would be great

[real moon]

"How would it be balanced that you can almost elim an entire team if there's no counter" this describes heavy's entire existence

[halcyon depot]

Even people who are not very good at FPS games can win this game with a 3vs3v3 cashout.
There are cases where people who never tried to play FPS games tried it for the first time with this game, but I feel like many of those people have left.
I'm concerned about the game balance issue, but the more serious issue is probably the cheater issue and the connection error.
Couldn't this make the game more enjoyable to play?

[bronze atlas]

hello

[keen path]

haha funny @echo pumice @peak tusk bro hes admitted to cheating 💀

[humble fulcrum]

Commending system similar to R6's that rewards players for reaching certain amount of commendations

[peak tusk]

I think people doesnt get that if you get hit, you position is semi-revelead. I can bet the enemy was shooting at random and get lucky.
Edit: I would believe @echo pumice Is just trolling you guys....

[vocal yacht]

I noticed this yesterday

[bitter veldt]

Yeah the name abd HP pops up for a bit

[viral parcel]

made it to the final round and booted while the match started and could not connect why isn’t this being addressed

[lilac mango]

When tabbed out of a game and a match starts or is about to start, it should maximize the application again. Kind of a niche problem I have that I tab out when talking to a friend and then accidentally forget I have a match starting, and I end up ruining someone's game since they're down a teammate.

(It can be a toggleable setting, of course.)

[cloud jungle]

Why aren't ranked games 3 rounds? It would solve matchmaking by literally doubling the amount of games going on

[sonic salmon]

why did they remove the unranked tournament mode.. makes the game hard to warm up for ranked. i hate bring it back..

[violet solstice]

@smoky gust lets be clear about something here, NUKES were not removed because they were "annoying" or "frustrating" they were removed because they were unfair & way to OP. A nuke could team wipe an entire team if placed well enough from distance with no danger or risk to the thrower. There is no comparison that can be made between Nukes nerf & Cloak Nerf they are 2 completely different animals. Cloak cant "Teamwipe" an entire team & as has been stated many times before by even M & H's not to have been a problem. Cloak is only a problem to Low skill players & as I already stated " a skill or gadget should not be nerfed or removed simply because SOME players find it annoying or frustrating" cos if thats the case then I want M turrets & APS severely nerfed or removed & H shields & flamethrowers severely nerfed or removed because I find them annoying & frustrating to deal with! REVERT CLOAK BACK TO WHAT IT WAS & stop changing the game based upon whiners with no skill.

[crystal umbra]

YOU TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH 🔥🔥 (No Diddy)

-Let the finals stay different from other games
-Lean harder on the gameshow vibes. "I wanna be famous"
-I reiterate my desire for a file share system
-Be fearless in developing this fresh new game & continue to focus on fun

---

I want The Finals to learn HEAVIER on the gameshow and the "pazzaz" and the rewards aspect.
The Finals is a breath of fresh air. It's different and it should maintain its identity.

Give us ways to show off our awesomenness in a social system. Let us feel "famous" for being top performing contestants.
Having a view count on our clips to see how much other Finalists are seeing our gameplay would be PEAK.

I encourage the devs to be more fearless and polarizing.

I heard that the devs didn't want to even make another shooter, they wanted something different. Well, the incorporation of throwables in the game REWARDED us for using the destructible environment to turn the tides against players who were better at conventional shooter games.
(It also produced sick clips)

The point is that teaming up in this gameshow for "over-the-top", team-based, strategic gameplay is something the other shooter games don't hold a candle too.

I pray season 3 & 4 answer some of these concerns for the social aspect and we see big incentives for team/objective play

This is the BEST shooter out right now🚀

[visual bronze]

can we do somthing about the fact that the guns jiggle so much with visual recoil there are SO many people useing crosshair overlays wether or not it be software or monitor its practically cheating with the lh1 and monitor crosshairs are undetectable it would feel smooth over all and would get rid of the visual recoil almost ever single one of my friends use it im the only one who does't because i dont want to get banned pls fix this at some point i know you have bigger iseue's. but this is a bad problem with the game i almost left because of it.

[carmine thistle]

you literally picked off people at less than 50hp & said it was all you.
Maybe you just played that well???
.. nvm those people just buns. Bronze Azz players

[jagged cedar]

c4 is great on only 1

[west light]

Bro, I've only been matched with ranks 2 and 3 times higher for 3 days now. That on the one hand, on the other, I don't understand why the similarity of the colors between red, pink and purple, do the creators of this game have a problem with other colors? and please stop nerfing Fcar

[misty schooner]

Maybe try ranked with teams of 4 to consolidate the stress 16 teams connecting to the same game causes

[runic thunder]

Not a feedback but I want you to know that I appreciate what you devs are doing. I can see you put soul and passion for the game, but the mental exhaustion is real when there's so much pressure and expectations you have to deal with everyday. I hope that you won't lose your own flavors to cater for mean feedbacks and lose the big picture. From someone who doesn't play FPS games, I genuinely love the Finals and wish for it to do well.

[tardy orchid]

So to preface, I play the game on colorblind settings, but I am not colorblind. I find that the default colors for teams are so astronomically similar that, in a teamfight, I cannot discern who exactly I'm shooting at. Again, I am not colorblind. I am a professional Graphic Designer/Artist and I work with colors on a daily basis. I genuinely do not think this is a me problem. So, I turned colorblind settings on as I said. The issue with colorblind settings is that the tokens that players turn into when they die do NOT have colorblind counterparts, and instead use the default colors. So again, I don't know which team is which at times. I would greatly appreciate if these issues were addressed.

[crude brook]

just let us control the colours of each team

[drowsy stump]

Cloak is op your a light main so what you say is bias, it’s overpowered maybe not for you, but it is. Sorry princess. Nukes are op too.

[smoky gust]

The devs dont just make random balance changes
They listen to feedback
So no, they absolutely nerfed nukes because of complaints

I never said cloak is as strong as nukes
No idea where you got that from
Nukes were an example of people complainimg, which lead to changes that improved the game

If youre gonne dropkick into a conversation like that, you should at least read it all and make sure youre not causing misunderstandings like this

Cloak is only a problem to loe skill players
True, except when its buggy
The bugs are my issue, ive got no problem with cloak otherwise

A big part of removing frustration is counterplay
Cloaks counterplay is buggy which makes it suck at times

Lets see
Sentries are stationary, are easy to hit, make noise, have big lasers that make them even easier to spot, can be countered by glitch and goo or just be blown blown up
If youre not running around with your eyes closed it should be pretty similar to detecting a cloaked light, only difference being that, you know, its not invisible

Aps entirely denies projectile weapons, so fair point

Shield has some cheese potential in 1v1's and getaway situations, fair point
Open for solution discussion on that one

Flamethrower is basically sledge with slightly more range and dot (though admittedly, dot can be annoying)
But you either outrun them or can just facetank them while you kill them in 2 seconds as heavy
Positioning is key there, dont just rush around corners and be mindful of flanks

stop changing the game based on whiners with no skill
You say that after you just admitted to having problems with some stuff others can easily outplay
Doesn't add up

[solar sparrow]

Advertise the game more. I only saw advertisements at launch and continuous advertisements would help improve the player base

[rose surge]

Revert the cloak nerf.

[upper saddle]

Suggestion- Giving us "Titles" for level 8 weapons / level 7 gadgets and / level 6 specializations that the AI Announcers use when we go on sprees or steal cashouts. it'd be pretty coolio I thinks. Imagine a level 7 Heal Beam player with the Title "Doc" Reviving two teammates after they were last man standing "Doc just won't let their team stay down!", bad example but You get the idea, it'd be a cool reward for having such a high level in equipment. if the Contestant voices are also AI Generated even better because they can use Titles as "Call Signs" when pinging each other or using enemy titles when pinging enemies.

[foggy raptor]

More immersive narrators? they need to say new stuff or just different ways to narrate the match or what is going on. feels like im in a broken record hearing the same lines, at first it was hyped now i just expect what they're about to say

[real moon]

devs can we like get a change in the meta, it's so dry to just see MMH, MMM, MHH every single match and it basically be the same fight every single round, every single game

[cinder ridge]

If your whole team dies to a nuke you should play something else

[peak tusk]

Leaderboard bugs and doesnt load after a ranked match.

[pseudo jetty]

You’re mad and blocked me

[fair osprey]

Dear devilopersdms
Stapler as C4
Thank you

[crystal umbra]

I love this

[sonic wasp]

I want to have secondary weapons so bad 🥴 they have limited ammo so it doesn’t become to OP or maybe so melee weapons

[quick coyote]

“light class cant 1v3 consistently yet which means the class is underpowered and bad”

yall unironically sound like this

[quick coyote]

How is using a monitor CH cheating? The in game ones take up half the screen, no other games force that. Plus the bullets are hitscan and always go from the middle of the screen it doesnt make sense that the in game CHs dont accurately show where the middle of the screen is. Also i doubt anybody will ever be banned for using something that every monitor comes with and that u can do with a piece of tape, plus theres and option to make the opacity 0

[carmine warren]

Yeah crosshairs not matching where bullets go is a big issue for me too

[visual bronze]

for ads'ing and because of visual recoil and and for the tape ect thats why i think that the crazy visual recoil when ads'ing is a bad thing

[clever cloud]

any idea on whether or not they're gonna punish people who leave mid match?

[pseudo jetty]

It’s not about 1v3ng consistently, it’s about losing a fight because heavy has a press button get kill device. That’s hardly fair or balanced. Clearly by the video I should’ve won that

[fierce valve]

Melee Snapping on sledge is actually ruining gameplay. It makes me infuriated.

[heady pilot]

When the dps is good at their job but loses to Instant revive and instant win button on class: Nerf dps

do you not see how dumb you look??

[fossil hawk]

i miss emote cancelling

[misty jasper]

when did I say nerf DPS? and thanks for being respectful with your comment, love it. Ty "#revertdagger" you could've just said anything and I'd just look at your user to know your opinion. If he panic shot, he would've missed..Original post should've shot at his head then. I feel like you missed my point in your simplification of my comment but alright good one

Alright last reply bc you're getting too "you said this you said that"; IMO, an opinion that I'm pretty sure I'm entitled to hold without being called names by random light mains on the internet, RPG is great, but it's not game changing. This especially applies in the clip bc he was HALF a point of hp off from dying. It could've gone either way for OP and the opponent team, even after he took full dmg from an RPG. OP light has a great counter with mobility to find cover, pick off another opp, and as he was finishing his last fight with the original RPG user, he could've gotten a headshot and he would've won. In OTHER situations, I think it would be beneficial for lights to either stick with their team rather than fighting alone or at the very least not rush in thinking they'll 3 v 1. This way, RPG is likely to be used on their other teammates who are hopefully either heavy or med. Or stay behind cover before trying to beam a heavy so RPG doesn't make direct impact.. "You're just wrong", I could say the same thing to you, doesn't mean either of us is right. It's an opinion and I don't have to call you "dumb" to make myself feel right. Maybe check what part of the clip I'm talking about before saying it's impossible tho.

AND not to forget to mention, OP had nades ready. Didn't need to peak. He could've won a 3 v 1 even after getting RPGed with his mobility getting him safely to cover and just time a good nade. Lots of ways that clip could've gone down, doesn't mean RPG is op. And just because I think that, doesn't mean I think light is op.

"how is it balanced, that i can almost elim an entire team, but because heavies have a get out of jail free card of an RPG, they just win?"

• yes it kinda was, but RPG is also a sidepoint
• he got to cover after he got hit? you didn't read my whole reply
• my opinion isn't "objectively" wrong bc RPG being op isn't a 100% or 0%. so just bc you say "you're wrong" still doesn't make you right. Makes you kind egotistical tbh
• and even IF RPG was op, imo boosting light hp would not be the solution. It would be nerfing RPG damage. GGs

[broken lake]

your statement itself wasn't smart. They're justified in calling you dumb.

you took a video that made a decent point about a bullshit loss, simplified it down to:
"you almost 1v3ed so you can't complain" {that 90% of your health was lost cause the heavy panic shot their RPG}

and then based your retort on that.

That's nothing but dumb

Edit: he shot at his feet, at that range missing would take more skill, dingus

If I have to explain to you how OP not "shooting his head" a few more times has nothing to do with the critique of RPG, you're just beyond saving.

You're not interested in actually discussing things, or making arguments. You just miss points and genetic fallacy your way to feeling like you won. it's sad, and it makes me sad. (a sad"lad" perhaps, lmfao)

EDIT 2 (apparently): what was your point then? Cause from here it looks like you flailed after realizing the RPG really couldn't have missed at that range.

then said that the light should've just "hit a few more headshots" as a cope.

Reviewing the footage again actually, the heavy was coming off of a defib revive and instantly fired the RPG, so your argument there holds even less water. There was no feasable way the light COULD have killed the heavy before the RPG went off, even with perfect headshots. You're just wrong.

FINAL EDIT: the point OP was making wasn't just about the 1v3 itself. The point was that a single shot from an RPG could take over 90% of a light's health with nearly 0 counterplay. There was no cover, there was no way to avoid it, they just went down to 1-shot percent. This is especially common with lights, since nearly all our guns force fights in close to mid range.

and don't pretend that just "because it's an opinion" it can't be wrong. If I am of the opinion that elephants can fly, I would be objectively wrong about that.

The best way to fix this would be giving light a bit more HP. That is my opinion, but I also have arguments FOR why that would be correct.

[agile wing]

I'm Gold+2. I win TWO tournaments against plats. I am Gold+3. Fuck off.

[clear crystal]

Revert the game back to the balance in cb1

[celest turret]

Please fix contracts for pro circuit

[slim sleet]

Embark Just REVERT EVERYTHING

[sacred reef]

ranked is geniunely awful why cant i see how close i am and theres no chance in hell i shouldnt be p3 atm

[glossy bough]

Can we get more dummy variety in the practice range? I would like to practice shooting full sprint/sliding targets

[summer venture]

kindly delete melee weapons if youre gonna fuck everyone that uses it with trash hitreg, thanks

[bitter aspen]

better yet put a AOG scope on the famas to make it the long range killer it can be

[dull merlin]

FAX

[violet solstice]

Thats all good mate cos because of the Devs & their bad decisions (the final straw being the nerf to lights cloak) my friends & I have now stopped playing The Finals & moved on to other games as have many many other players going by the game stats so your wish is Granted cupcake. If the Light Cloak Nerf does not get Reverted back to what it was I have no reason to come back. FYI I have listed I am a Light mains on here but I also play Heavy Class alot & started the game as a Medium until I had unlocked every single utility & gadget of every single class so Im not Light BIAS I just call bullshit when I see it & Nerfing the weakest Class in the game with more nerfs to come for that class means the Devs only listen to whiners with no skill & the game is being flushed down the toilet. Enjoy the game & see how u like it when they move on to nerfing the class u play into oblivion...cos it wont end with just light nerfs.

[cinder ridge]

Seen lights decimate a team with dash. If cloak was the only thing that made you good as a light then theres the reason it got nerfed.

[blissful bridge]

The changes that need to be made in this game is as follows:
-Cheating issues
-Server issues
-Matchmaking issues

---

-Revert Cloak
-Revert C4 to an Ammo Count of 2

[quick coyote]

That's stupid logic. So, your logic: take the worst players, take away their crutch. And then they leave. That's your solution? Anyway dude, cloak is visible from like 30m away. Its barely a cloak. If you can't see it, fix your contrast or something idk. I've watched my teammates not see cloak when I do when I'm spectating them. Its a setting issue if you cant see it.

[indigo sluice]

I think you should change the cloaking devices activation cost to 15%

[fossil hawk]

i think light should have a method of healing, like some health syringe they can poke themselves or a teammate with, so they have a decent use case other than being really good at killing, and getting killed

[placid sandal]

ive been unable to reaconnect mid round of tournaments it has absolutly killed any progress id have made today

[shell lotus]

Lights fucking dead bro like idk wth yall are doing:/

[wise cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-why-hes-the-goat-the-goat-gif-27042841

[misty jasper]

oh here he goes again, hey man you win i'm tired of this haha, you win you win stop typing please, i need to go x( i forfeit, light is bad and RPG is op yay NOO gah he just keeps typing, well medium and heavy is easier to use imo. Sadlad you makin me sad now.. j don't call me dumb next time X( i just wanted to have an opinion is all

@violet solstice interesting opinion, but I think light would be much better off with new team oriented gadgets. The problem with some light players is even tho they have great team/assisting gadgets, they won't use them for team fights. Glitch nade is the single best counter to mesh, dome, and defibs. But the light player on the team will just die 50+ meters away. But I do think light would benefit from new team based gadgets that soft forces light players to stick with their team to be more useful. It is NOT useful getting a kill 50+ meters away while your team is dying to 3v 2

mg this guy been typing for 20 minutes not you johnwickdog

man i said you win, i'm not tryin make a whole argumentative essay minimum 150 words just for you bro. You literally missed my whole argument by mistaking what part of the clip I was talking about anyway

[shadow nebula]

I mean rank hardly has any lights in it and I’m a low skilled player in gold.

[terse lark]

please just rework cloak. its not great how it is now. the nerf only made it annoying to use

[violet solstice]

The best thing I could suggest to the Devs to improve Light Class & make them more "Team Orientated" & viable would be 1- REVERT CLOAK BACK THE WAY IT WAS & 2- Take Defibs away from Medium & Give the defibs to the Light Class. Let Mediums have the Healing Beam but not the defibs. Lights with their speed, agility & cloak could make better use of the defibs to assist the team.

[bitter aspen]

give lights wall running

[zinc carbon]

That would make them wayyyy over powered

[tropic swift]

I swear light players have the most immature mindset ever. You guys are complaining now because you gotta actually THINK when activating it instead of mindlessly cloaking over and over again.

[stark trench]

Using defibs without a healing beam is worse than just reviving them.

[broken lake]

yet again.

1. The quote itself focuses on the RPG being a "get out of jail free card". The clip is an example of how even if you do almost every single thing right, a heavy with RPG can still kill you with minor difficulty or skill. The 1v3 is the sidepoint here, clearly. It's an example, not the argument.

2. He got to cover after he got hit to mitigate the cover fire from the heavy's teammate. I also said later in MY retort that there was no cover to protect him from the RPG, and it is a very common scenario because of where light's guns force you to enage (not counting sniper). Did YOU not read my entire comment?

3. your opinion CAN be objectively wrong, especially since you've given barely any counter to MY retorts. The "play behind walls and cover" one was a decent point, but it's the only one you've made. You haven't replied at all to the argument I made in counter to that.

I am also under the impression we're talking light specifically. (you also seem to be under that impression as well, given your final comment)

4. the reason a health buff to light would be the only fix to this is precisely because RPG isn't 100% OP against everyone. It's just overpowered against light.

Kind of like how stun is completely overpowered against anyone running melee. (but if you die when you have a gun that isn't the sniper or revolver, it's kind of a skill issue) To do a flat nerf to RPGs damage would make it borderline useless against heavies and mediums.

Increasing light's health would also solve several other issues with the class, like: Proximity Mines taking most of your health for free, charge and slam taking most of your health for free at close range, and light on light TTK, which can reach 0.3 seconds in some scenarios.

@hexed chasm lmao, true

[hexed chasm]

nuh uh, rpg go boom

[cinder ridge]

Thats my logic to a T... the "worst players" shouldnt have a crutch that allows them to mindlessly kill good players. They should be forced to improve at actual game mechanics and gunplay. Aswell as the fact that with the audio and visual bugs this game has, cloaked lights are almost impossible to detect until you get stunned at times. I've even been stunned and killed from a cashout icon bc the light was completely blocked... not that that directly correlates but it is a visual bug aswell to add to the other less basic ones. Its not a setting issue its the game not playing the audio at all or the reflection of the cloak not showing because of all the other particles on the screen in front and around the player.

[quick coyote]

I swear you people CANT SEE. What do you mean over and over again? Bro if I popped cloak in front of you and you completely lose sight of me, then you need to get your eyes checked. Spamming cloak was never a viable thing and if you struggled against someone spamming it mid fight then you're just goofy eyed

[tame crag]

It's difficult to see the cloak midfight sometimes

[elder umbra]

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[static wolf]

PLEASE DO THIS EMBARK

[rose surge]

This game is going to die because of the terrible job that the balancing team is doing. The game was finally feeling balanced before this past update. Why tf would they do that.

Player count has dropped 25% on steamcharts just in the past week alone since the patch. What f'ing morons.

[blissful sail]

pls don’t go i need you to keep playing 😥

[simple burrow]

THIS GAME IS GOING TO DIE BC THEY KEEP DOING WHAT YOU IDIOTS SAY LEET THEM COOK AND LET THEEM FOLLOW THEIR VISION FOR THE GAME

[night dune]

Game die because they broke the voice chat making made solo queue even worse

[zinc carbon]

Not really its still really hard to see and yes you can spam it

[misty jasper]

I'm sure you have access to the tons of data and stats that Embark receives from their own game to make such a comment. Make another one oh wise one

[grizzled canopy]

Day 18 of asking Embark for some medieval bundles 🙏

[violet solstice]

Just as I thought. This statement proves u are a complete & utter fool & are not a "good" player with any skill>>>>>> "Thats my logic to a T... the "worst players" shouldnt have a crutch that allows them to mindlessly kill good players."<<<<< 1st off a "Good" player will beam a Cloaked Light all day long, so its only poor players with no skill that get killed by Lights using cloak or players separated from their teams out on their own or players who are already damaged from a previous fight. "Good" players are not complaining about cloaked lights because they can kill lights regardless of them being cloaked or not. 2nd u sound like a Greta "How Dare You" when a Good cloaked Light player kills u! How else is a Light on 150HP supposed to kill a "Good" M or H player?? A light has so little HP compared to M & H that they cant survive a straight up fight especially since M & H have better HP & Weapons. REVERT CLOAK BACK TO WHAT IT WAS& as far as ur concerned Jordan if u cant compete with a cloaked light then I say "Git Gud" or go back to playing minecraft!

[fossil hawk]

hey devs/cm team is this chat ever read by you guys lol

[kindred agate]

Good evening. Hoping this doesn't fall on deaf ears. I am now hit with a 2nd 1.5 hr ban for the day after finishing third in the finals. I should be diamond by now, however, I was waiting to load in, stuck on the black page of connecting before the match, and had to close my game with alt+f4, then loaded in. Reconnect was still an option. reconnected and i was the only one on my team. my other two teammates were also hit with the same ban. I finsihed the game (came in last too btw) and hit with the 1.5 hour ban. figured it was due to the new update to deter cheaters. However i was hit with that same ban AGAIN for finshing a normal match with no server issues. I dropped in rankings again and I keep getting hit with this penalty. Also, I think this deranking after promoting is beyond idiotic. Please fix the game I love and play every day before I start going outside and touching grass. Please send me a direct message if anyone reads this or if I am just ranting on a keyboard waiting for my 1 hour and thirteen minute ban to finish.....

[cinder ridge]

did you only read the first sentence or is your comprehension level the same as a 4 year old. i refuse to believe youre trying to argue with me when you didnt acknowledge any of the points i made. just another shitty light player that cant come to the realization that he us useless without being invisible during a gunfight. on a more serious note flamethrowers still go through walls and the sbmm is getting worse each week... i just had a silver on my team (with a chronus) against all plats and he did what silvers do. he died 12 times and left

[smoky belfry]

They say light players were complaining about cloak because we don’t have real skill but those same people that were complaining about lights cause they didn’t have the skill to compete

[fresh gull]

It's aimbot paradise bro.

[boreal sentinel]

All other classes deserves a long range weapons. Dragunov for M and Barrete 50. Cal for H. How else can we counter L snipers if we dont get any long range weapons?

[odd arch]

More hair style and little bit more difference between male and female bodies?

[tacit lark]

Note to Developers:
Even though I enjoyed the game (despite installing it late after hearing good things), I haven't invested much time because the player base is dropping and there haven't been any solid official announcements about fixing the anti-cheat system. These concerns led me to uninstall after a few rounds. This game has potential, and it's worth advocating for it with the executives and investors.

Note to Developers II:
Server performance seems okay, but there's room for improvement. Consider storing variations of the calculation output and using segmentation (based on the type of assets involved in the explosion) to return the results. This stored data could drastically reduce future calculations after a few months of destruction data is collected. Should definitely explore this if it hasn't been considered already.

Gameplay and Technical Feedback:
The movement system can be quite sloppy at times, especially when transferring velocity. This likely has to do with the implementation. While there are aspects that lack polish, the overall gameplay is decent. The guns are functional but feel dated. There's also a lack of spatial feedback when hitting enemies, which can be confusing.

Art and Production:
With 16 years in the game industry, I've never seen such dedication to production in a free-to-play title. Everything is top-notch. Designing, executing, and implementing this level of art/performance is incredibly impressive. Kudos to all the leads, artists, and devs, especially those with CG backgrounds. While I haven't noticed any glaring balance issues within the game design limits, further exploration might be beneficial (as pointed out before).

Performance:
The game runs well on my mid-range laptop, maintaining 110-165 FPS on Epic settings at 1600p resolution. There are occasional spikes during certain types of destruction and explosions.

Finalizing:
This game has a lot of potential. Here's to your continued success, especially in addressing the anti-cheat and matchmaking issues.

[wary storm]

People be like erghh lights just spam cloak. Sorry do us mediums not spam heal beam? Or have a little defib circle where we all bring our teammates back from the dead, or heavies dropping a dome and a mesh on top of their 350hp. People need to stop hating on other classes saying it’s being spammed. Lights tear up quick play but struggle in ranked. That’s embarks fault as they have made 2 very different modes, all of quick play is hectic and full of unorganised teams. Ranked is the opposite. One allows for lights to constantly pick people off in the madness. The other requires much more skill and patience and teamwork. How can you balance classes that have to fit into very different game modes with very different audiences. In my opinion. It’s called the finals. It’s about getting to the finals. Scrap the balancing to help platform or quickplay. Bring back tournaments and then balance for that and ranked

[marble mantle]

Keeping it short:

A bit of marketing and advertising.. Other issues don't matter if nobody's playing the game. 😦

Just waited for a ranked match for over an hour. Found out the timer resets to 00:00 after 59:59... Interesting fact.

[quick coyote]

You have the order of things confused. Nobody plays a broken game that the developers have no handle on.

[rose surge]

It's possible to make bad decisions and have access to data that should guide you to making better ones. If I had to take a guess, they nerfed cloak only to see if it would improve the retention rates of new players as cloak is difficult for noobs. I will die on the hill of saying that was a terrible decision. Maybe they should have reworked it to make it still viable at higher levels of play, but not OP for noobs, but nerfing it into the fucking ground was a terrible decision. They've lost thousands of players who mained light+cloak including myself. I'm finding myself playing Apex for the first time in months since The Finals came out because I'm fucking pissed. They went way too far.

[versed mountain]

Love getting suspended and can't join back into a game because my computer shut down...

[hearty sun]

what'd be really cool, but hard to implement perhaps, is a system where matches are recorded, so the same actions are played out and you can spectate around to see what happaned...basically what siege and i think CSGO does as well...

1. helps finding cheaters
2. nice way to get cool angles on gameplay footage for tailers or montages or whatever
3. helps people see what they did wrong in matches better than a simple video recording can, like how a light managed to sneak behind someone. (thx @quartz oak )

[dusky apex]

A passive buff for teams with less than 3 players even if small like a reduction in respawn timer or increased score multiplier

[quartz oak]

This would also really help people improve by being able to see what they’re doing wrong. Or maybe it would help you understand how you died behind that wall. There’s a lot of potential with replay systems

[ebon otter]

Replay systems can be a pain in the ass to build though depending on the game engine they used

[timber hazel]

Game dev shouldn’t rework items or gadget just because people are frustrated about it you say?
Then why remove nukes..

That’s right, cause it’s overpowered
And that make people frustrated and annoyed

Same thing with old defibrillators
Where 3 medium can just mindlessly ran in
Revive a teammate under heavy fire
And even in low-plat lobby
That’s still considered a right play because back then defibrillators (almost) instantly revive your teammate

My point? Was the defiv overpower? Strong yes, but not overpower cause even back then. You still better off with atleast 1 heavy per team instead of 3 medium.

But was it annoying?? To fight 3 medium that can instantly revive and heal??
HARD YES

so same case here with the cloak buddy

It’s not overpowered but it’s still annoying to fight
So it need rework

And by rework I mean rework.
Cause I don’t agree with nerf either. it really doesn’t do much except punish the bad player with bad abilities management.

But unlike you coming here being whiny going “BRING IT BACK BRING IT BACK”
I actually Atleast attempt a suggestion and find work around that let light keep their old cloak while being less annoying to fight against

So as I said yesterday

People hate fighting against cloak that pop out of nowhere
But you know what worse? It’s the fact that by the time you head them sneaking around. You already got stunned.

To fix this?
Nerf the stun. Make it so you need to charge it up or something before being to fired

This or just increase the range when enemy player can hear invisible light
This way people can actually Atleast better prepared, or run away before they get stun

Lastly, im diamond rank myself but trust me
If you love this game, you should support dev that work the balance around the casual fan base

Look at overwatch or team fortress 2
Look how dev that try to adjust their game around the minority
And chase stupid. Esport dream kill off their game

[velvet nexus]

suggestion for this channel, add an automatic reaction heart/star under each suggestion so you can see how other members feel about it

[cinder ridge]

a good text chat system will help when your team is in a dc call and youre solo queued. just had a team go for a chashout they didnt have time to get and couldnt tell them bc they couldnt hear game chat or chose not to hear. either way a text chat will improve solo queue experience

[midnight oxide]

I just want to take a second to say how appreciative I am to the devs of this game. You all are working extremely hard on this game every single week to give us the best experience possible, and as vocal as some of us are about the flaws of this game I think there is something really special here. Thank you embark for this game and community, thank you for listening to our input. Please don't pay attention to much to the extremely vocal few as you see what none of us see. I trust you all to make this game become what I know it has the potential to be.

[thick plinth]

Please make the “Steal a Cashout in Progress” contract to track if your teammate steals it. There have been some times where a teammate of mine would yell at me through voice chat just so they can do the contract.

[quick coyote]

hey losers please fix the cheaters. its like yall got more bugs and glitches each week

best gme, 10/10 all you guys who winge about it just want to get attention

[cedar haven]

Embark please please please dont fall to peer pressure. Dont make forced changes to the game. develop it in the way you want to see it. If you just become a puppet to the rage suggestions the game will spiral out of control. Most of us love you and we know you love your game. People are just upset over everything and want the games to look their way. Only you know what to make the game look like. You guys work so hard. this game is so fun and has so much potential. the community is tearing you apart and forcing your hand, making changes that only a small percentage of people are fuming about. again we love you guys, make the game the way you want to play it.

[young minnow]

Can you guys please decrease the opacity of the cashout’s i can’t see anything when adsing

[violet solstice]

I agree with most of ur comment mate. Cloak was already nerfed, it was made more visible, sound was added & u cant shoot while staying cloaked or pick up carriables while cloaked. For all those who claim that Light Cloak is OP then go play as a light with cloak & come up against a H with all the shields, overpowered & high magazine capacity weapons with 2 x M's in support with heal beams & defibs & see how u fare. 1st u have to take out 2 x M healers because u cannot kill a H with shields & heavy weapon while he is being healed by 2 M's at the same time (light could barely kill a H 1v1 without element of surprise & good skills at anytime) & even if u somehow manage to kill the H, before u can even turn ur attention to the M healers they have already defibbed the H & just need to keep u busy while he revives while as a light u unload & reload magazines left right & centre (all uncloaked since u fired ur 1st shot) trying to take em out. Its impossible. So next time u wanna complain about a Light spamming Cloak how about u complain about H's spamming shields & H weapons while M's spam Healing beams & defibs. Not to mention powershift where H's spam shields with heavy weapons while M's spam heal beams, defibs, APS & turrets. Lights are already the weakest & most team utility lacking class in the game. With such low HP & underpowered weapons a Light is mostly cannon fodder for othert teams running MMH or HHM or MMM,HHH. Lights dont stand much chance against any team with any amount of skill who work as a team & stick together. **REVERT CLOAK BACK TO WHAT IT WAS!!!! **Make Light viable again. Take defibs off M & give em to Light.

[quick coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/daredevil-daredevil-dog-tough-dog-red-mask-dog-gif-23418245

[polar mist]

Adjusting the lights would be easy: shorten the time it takes for the HP to recover, and make the cloak have a cool time when it is turned on and off, similar to thermal vision. The stun gun would be less unreasonable if only the reduction in movement speed could be removed. After that, remove the distance limit on gateways.

[fallen fossil]

"Randomized" option for animation selection: each (for example) reload uses a random animation from owned by the player.

[wraith igloo]

Ok bye 😝

[quick coyote]

Revert FCAR and recon senses so people can react to 3rd parties, if everything is OP and viable theres nothing that needs to be changed, the game feels different everyday its dumb. Change RPG to be destruction based pocket nuke and add nukes back to the game, damage nerf nukes to RPG damage. Buff or rework grappling hook to feel smoother. Make it so defibs holograms can be shot through so it isnt basically an invincible shield for their teammates. Fix the spectators being able to destroy mines. @hazy willow@fiery hill fix spawn exploits dont ever spawn people right next to cashouts, randomize spawns to make high ranks lives easier

[boreal sentinel]

Whats the bloody point of the "Block" feature if im ever gonna match against the same cheater again? Useless feature. Just remove this aesthetic button. It hurts my eyes.

[rustic moon]

Thoughts on spectator mode for private matches?

[real moon]

guys next week for their patch notes light will be deleted 💯

[woven elk]

LET ME REMOVE THIS STUPID AUTOAIM WITH THE HAMMER.

[velvet nexus]

they mad abt the last update and they dont even realise whats coming

[zealous wagon]

Idk where else to mention this but im completely at a loss for what to do in regards to game chat. For a while i thought it was an issue with my headset, but my comms in xbox party chat have no issues. Yes ive tried leaving and rejoing voice chat in each game, yes ive made sure to tweak the audio output in game, and yet nothing will allow me or my teammates to hear one another. Im sure this isnt the biggest issue in the world as most people play using comms through other platforms but i often soloqueue and it sucks lol. If anybody has a suggestion/fix please lmk

[rose surge]

Undo the cloak nerf. It's not too late.

[small token]

let us use equipment credits for weapon xp. gives bonus to players who play alot and already have everything bought and are sitting on 3k creds

[willow leaf]

I have the same issue but only for the first round. After the first round it works and I can hear my teammates. It’s been a problem for a while now and it really sucks.

[night dune]

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1201841543926005810

[wary tapir]

Just wanted to thank the devs for hanging in there, I love this game and so does this community, thank you for your hard work even as it goes through some tough times. We all appreciate what you guys do and I hope the game sees a resurge in popularity going forward. Thanks for making the best shooter ive seen in 3 years

[quick coyote]

At this point it doesn't matter, the whole game needs a total rework to get any players back. Its dead, people moved on and unless they completely flip the game, they've killed it sadly
Embark is shaping up to be a total bust, horribly managed, horrible game decisions. Just trash honestly. Kinda to the point I wanna watch it crash and burn as they do literally nothing important to stop it. Heavies can 1 shot a team with an RPG but cloak was a problem. 100% braindead developers, this game is fucked and Arc Raiders is fucked. They already alienated that fan base and now with this clownshow of a game, Embark is done lol

[stiff pivot]

Glitch Canisters, if added would open up way more counter play and strategies

[inner inlet]

A katana sword skin.

[jagged cedar]

no

[quaint forge]

I like the buffed data reshaper

[quick coyote]

I'm through this game, Every time I want to enjoy a game of ranked in Asia, what do you know, hard cheaters EVERY SINGLE TIME. Without fail, good job. Cheaters are sitting in Every round, all day. Boosting people selling cheats. You report them all day and nothing happens. They did a tourney in Japan and what do you know, barely improved player count in Asia because Asia ranked is truly cooked

[quick coyote]

Fuck. No.

[runic glen]

Jump up and down while shooting they’re expecting you to crouch up and down so they will be like “oh shit” and they will lose the fight that can be like our fighting movement while apex has has they’re crouch up and down and plus our characters don’t get tired sense it’s a game show u can test it

[river girder]

Sounds wack dood

[drifting atlas]

Ranked tournament is always a wild competitive match, but what's difficult about reaching towards another rank is what class your teammates are using. Ranked tournament should have quick chat to ask for what class they should go for or what specialization they should have, otherwise, your advantage will get pretty low

[light river]

The game is just about Dead. They let the PC CHEATERS ruin the whole game. Now nobody wants to play. Surely they know this. Hence the reason they just don't care. I play EU servers on PS5 and they are so bad you can't even find a game most times with cross-play off.

[zenith scarab]

I believe in you Embark, love yall

[quick coyote]

Embark gonna pull through they just needa hire them chinese factory workers to finish this game up

[tulip wagon]

Man people don’t realize that their constant bitching and complaining is what will ultimately kill the game, they have a vision for it if you don’t like it that’s on you, there’s no way to please everyone

[dense phoenix]

please fix spec cam can trigger mines bug

[swift gust]

Xdefiant Devs actually did an impressive job in optimizing the game compared to last beta(improved from 110 fps to 150 fps). And our Finals team is not even able to do what they already did in the open beta. Its just sad that the finals team dont understand the significance of good optimization.

[proven ibex]

Every time I set-up my mind to love this game and spend sometime playing, I experience frustration with all the shit - worst matchmaking in ranked, I'm on Asia so cheaters in every game, light class full of bugs, game stuttering and crashing on my Xbox (never happened with any game in my life), audio sucks big time - can't hear footsteps in my Sennheiser headset... I feel regret after playing for sometime that I wasted my time with frustration

[oak kernel]

I think at this point to grow/keep the playerbase stable they need to actually make it feel like we're playing against others. Let us chat with other people, group up after a match with people we vibe with, join and leave text chat, endorse people, etc.

I think a lot of the hate for the game is a bit overblown/toxic tbh. Peeps really are either like "this game is the best thing literally ever" (as if they've never played a decent game before) or "this game is hot garbo" (as if they've never played anything clearly worse); it's so extreme for this game. I think it'd help a lot to promote healthy communication between players and get people playing together more organically in game. Make it feel like an actual community or somethin' rather than just queuing with randoms and friends (who probably don't play now).

[vagrant depot]

I go with you, best Dev's and Game I've seen in years love you for that Embark🌹 I will always Support u guys ❤️

[keen beacon]

Yeah. Sometimes, in the back of my mind, i think of giving up on this game. They aren't doing the right changes at the right times, and they aren't even being transparent about what they're currently doing. It's been two months, and I have no idea what they're up to. If they're doing anything at all. It's not like I want leaks, but I at least want an inkling that they're working on it. Community managers are nice, but they're only the voice that relays back; they aren't the true source of the information. And that's what's annoying.

I hate this. I feel like we're worlds apart from the actual developers, despite having community managers. And worst of all we still don't know what they're doing. Because from outside point of view, it doesn't seem like much.

[quaint forge]

Embark please fix matchmaking I’m getting frustrated with your system. I’ve only won a single knockout round… just one in three days of losing and deranking from ranked matches. I’ve been playing this game for a good amount of time and I’ve spent a lot on it to support the team, but it is unplayable with the new players I get as my teammates when I’m up against 3 stacked diamond smurfs. Just fix that problem so the game is playable and enjoyable, I have never been so frustrated when the purpose of the game is to have fun

[loud frigate]

Embark please fix Light, the weapons need to buff, specially 93R and Throwing Knives, but all of them could use it, we need this to balance Light and make light great again, posting everyday until it’s the light of day

[strong escarp]

[BUFFS TO UNDERUSED WEAPONS]

(LIGHT)

• 93R: Decrease delay between bursts from ~0.235s to 0.2s
• 93R: Increase fire rate from ~1020 RPM to 1100 RPM.
• 93R: Increase base damage from 24 to 25.

The 93R suffers from slower TTK than the any other Light SMG, pistol, or even the LH1 (which is a mid-range gun!). These changes will make it more competitive, killing faster than an XP-54 but slower than an M11/V9S, and making it less punishing for partially missed bursts.

• SH1900: Increase damage per pellet from 15 to 16.

This makes the SH1900 hit a breakpoint where it's possible to kill a Heavy with 2 shots and a quick melee. It's a practically useless gun, otherwise.

• SR-84: Increase base damage from 115 to 120.

Given its 2x headshot multiplier, this makes the SR-84 hit a breakpoint where it can kill a Heavy in 1 headshot, and 1 bodyshot. This does not change the number of shots-to-kill on other classes.

(MEDIUM)

• AKM: Increase damage from 20 to 21.

As it stands, this starter gun makes for a poor baseline to balance around, as it kills slower than both of Heavy's LMGs (and even has LESS RANGE than the Lewis Gun!). Make it make sense! Lighter classes should kill faster than heavier classes to counterbalance their health pools! This buff will achieve 0.7s TTK vs. Lights (unchanged), 1.1s TTK vs. Mediums, and 1.6s TTK vs. Heavies, all while accounting for the massive damage per magazine that this gun has.

• Model 1887: Increase fire rate from ~67 RPM to 75 RPM.
• Model 1887: Increase damage dropoff distance from 15-20m to 20-30m.

These changes will make the Model's TTK competitive with the new AKM while giving it greater consistency when poking at range.

• R.357: Increase fire rate from ~140 RPM to 155 RPM.

These changes will make the R.357's TTK competitive with the new AKM.

• FAMAS: Increase base damage from 23 to 24.

As it stands, the FAMAS not only the slowest killing AR, but it's also too punishing for missed bursts. This singular change will AT LEAST the FAMAS competitive with the new AKM, while accounting for its difficulty of usage.

• CL-40: Increase direct hit damage from 110 to 120.
• CL-40: Increase splash damage from 75 to 80.
• CL-40: Allow it to deal a small amount of damage to APS Turrets for each blocked shot.

CL-40 is in a weird place where it's automatically useless when the enemy deploys an APS Turret, but is somewhat usable without that. These changes would make it hit a breakpoint where it can 3-hit kill Heavies, while also making APS Turrets less of a hassle to deal with.

• Riot Shield: Increase damage from 84 to 90.

This lets the Riot Shield hit a breakpoint where it can 4-hit kill Heavies.

(HEAVY)

• KS-23: Increase fire rate from 73 RPM to 90 RPM.
• KS-23: Decrease base damage from 100 to 96.
• KS-23: Add a 1.5x headshot multiplier
• KS-23: Increase damage dropoff distance from 18-23m to 25-30m.

As it stands, the KS-23 is a middling weapon to use, killing slower than Heavies LMGs and auto shotgun while being harder to use. These changes will make the KS-23 more competitive with those guns, while also adding more of a skill-based component to it.

• MGL-32: Increase base damage from 83 to 90.
• MGL-32: Enable explosion on direct hit.
• MGL-32: Allow it to deal a small amount of damage to APS Turrets for each blocked shot.

Allows the MGL-32 to hit a breakpoint where it can 4-hit Heavies, and also greatly increases its consistency by enabling shotgun-like capabilities at extreme close range, and making APS Turret easier to deal with. No need to worry about it making the KS-23 redundant, since that gun will have greater consistency at range anyway.

[elder umbra]

MF CHEATER MAKE THIS GAME DEAD AF . AINT NOTHING BOUT OTHER THING MAKE THIS GAME LOOK BAD , ITS ALL ABOUT THE MF CHEATER , STOP TALKING BOUT NERFING OR SOME SHIT , NEFR THE CHEATER

[distant moth]

would be good if a ui tell us someone pickup the dead sculpture when we are spectating, esp in power shift
so that we wont press space to respawn without intention

[rough herald]

APS: Proactivity and fck your projectile problem (Day 7 of asking)

Notes:
. to start off, i love the idea of the aps, the ability of being able to defend an area locking down a room is fun
. but its just unfair in some situation all because the "fck your projectile" part of APS.
for a weapon like the GL that shoot projectile you basically lose the fight automatically
. and for powershift its basically mandatory to win (that gamemode need a rework tbh)
. its also a one and done. meaning once you place it down it just stay there forever

Suggestion:
. (fck your projectile) either make it so it take damage with each projectile destroy. Or it can only destroy 5 projectile then broke
. and also give it a 3 second activation time like the turret have
. (One and Done) make it lose hp overtime

side note: for the love of RN-Jesus just let me play with my fav gun cl-40 Without a aps fcking me over.
Like How are you suppose to kill someone WHO CAN"T TAKE DAMAGE??? its like playing riot shield without the shield
(embark pls fix )

[swift notch]

Make it so we are able to enter the Firing range while we're waiting for a match.

I know the firing range is also a "Server" but I'm sure y'all could figure how to make it it local host sided, and maybe invite a friend or two into it for testing.

[willow leaf]

Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh

[blissful turtle]

the game needs to have a smaller grandient when it comes to ranked , how the hell is it fair to pit bronze 1s and silvers vs full team of gold 1s

[drifting acorn]

can we have a server list of private servers you can scroll through to join other people’s custom servers, in these servers you can customize the teams and the settings and players

[quick coyote]

Remove the fake names shit i cant even comms to my team right becasue their names are different than what they set

[smoky gust]

I have no idea why you keep using the same arguments, over and over again, dispite getting explained why they dont work

Why are you so adamant on keeping cloak the same when we just dont want it to be buggy?

[cedar haven]

i think its to censor bad names. I just got in a lobby with someones username being "I love girl cocks" and it switched when we spawned 💀

[proven ibex]

This shit is so basic but much needed, donno why they're not even doing small stuff . This is the most irritating thing and must be changed in next patch.

There are other basic stuff too
Default Wheel must be editable, lemme put whatever I want to in that wheel..for example 3 emotes.

Add predefined texts like "Open voice chat", "enemy" to voices so that we can equip them to wheel. Any fps games have these basic shit but not this game.

If default names is there to censor ? Then it's not hard thing, a small ai algo is enough to filter out the slurs and stop you from using them while creating a name. Come on, these are all small stuff( you'll know if you try to develop a small game) , it's the least a dev team could do.

[cedar forum]

I agree, I've seen multiple names of a popular Austrian painter

[frail prawn]

I had rounds against bronce and plat in diamond lobby

[violet solstice]

The nerf the Devs did to Cloak had nothing to do with it being "Bugged" & didnt address anything about any bugs. All they did was make it less effective & make it not worth turning on/off. How did that address any so called bugs u speak of??? Did it fix any so called visual bugs?? Did it fix any so called sound bugs??? NO it just made it almost worthless to use as a Light. This nerf has nothing to do with fixing any so called "bugs" it has to do with its versatility & useability as a utility. Making it cost 33% to turn on/off just destroyed it as a utility. It just addressed all the UNSKILLED whiners who dont like being killed by a light who snuck up on them cloaked & got the drop on them while they were separated from their team out on their own & out of position....no BUG fixes in this Nerf ya tool. REVERT CLOAK BACK TO WHAT IT WAS!!!

[jaunty dome]

i thought THE FINALS is a great fps game cuz its different from other fps games and now devs just want to make it a normal game by "balance". I dont want play those games and put away ur balance and make it unique

[keen lily]

holy shit it's SO FUN to play against the cheater reported like a month ago, good that I only had to wait like 10 minutes to find a game lol

[elder umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/ddespncm-gif-18325682

[hardy siren]

HOW IS IT EVEN POSSIBLE IM IN A RANKED WITH ONLY ONE TEAMMATE

[wise cliff]

This is because they started using Embark ID instead of the Steam nicknames but steam names still sometimes appear in UI which makes it confusing

[rough herald]

Heavy weapon dude TF2 spec idea

Mini gun:
note:
.Mini gun won't be powerful if its a primary weapon so i put it in spec so we all can feel the might of the minigun
stat:
. shoot at 15 round per second
. 200 max ammo
. can't reload but weapon will regen ammo for 1.5 ammo per sec
. left click will wine up the gun before firing
. right click will wine up the gun but not fire with a loud sound (so when you fire its instant)
. It shred throw walls (how much is for the dev to choses)
. there is no over heat

Drone Shield:
note:
. i saw this ability form apex once, i think the guy is name castle or something
. its basically our heavy mesh shield but it control by a drone which is controllable by the heavy
. i would say it have the shape of a half doom but really its a half beans
stat:
. 450-600 health
. press spec botton, heavy will throw the drone on the floor and the sheild came up when drone hit floor
. to control to press spec botton again when the shield is up, you'll pull out the same tablet you deploy stuff then with a left click you can make the drone move to where you click
. it move the same speed as heavy
. it rotate facing where its moving to

[pseudo latch]

Day 40 of me begging the devs to give heavy an M134 Minigun as a Specialization.

• 200 Round magazine, ammo is restored two bullets every second, 100 seconds for a full reload.
• 20 rounds per second, eleven damage a round, 220 DPS
• Falloff begins at 30 meters down to six damage a shot at 50, but wide spread means the weapon becomes less effective past 10 meters even against larger targets
• bullets do high damage to structures (should be breaking walls in 20-50 shots) allowing a mid-range option to output mass destruction (destroying entire walls on higher floors of buildings, ripping apart nesting sightlines)
• • significant damage to structures and players
• • gun can be pre-spooled with RMB over having an ADS (for obvious reasons, you try to aim down the sights of a water cooler)|
• • high suppressive force through sheer amount of bullets being fired
• • its a goddamn minigun
• - Heavy cannot jump or sprint while holding it, has to switch back to primary
• - lengthy equip-unequip time to balance such, no “pocket minigun” strats, choosing to use this is a commitment
• - gun has to spool up for a second before firing, spool up being LOUD

[glacial sierra]

Challenges that say "do fire damage" don't seem to register any fire damage that isn't directly from the flamethrower, or a grenade.

they're easy enough to get regardless, but it's a bit silly that i can have a post-death summary saying I damaged four other players with fire (from a barrel) and not have that challenge met lol

[hearty sun]

start at 2:22, makes a good point https://youtu.be/CyB-jDsuZdY

would be fun to pick a corporation to represent or have sponsored corp v corp fights through the finals (actually he makes alot of points, also good ones about communication on why updates were made, like why stun gun range was increased)

[peak tusk]

The leaderboard keep glitching and doesnt load after a match

[cedar forum]

Yeah but you can change the embark display name

[wary wedge]

To be honest, my friend and I really enjoy playing Finals together, but the cheaters in this game are insane and making it unplayable. Every match (ranked/unranked) found in the Asia server has at least one hacker who can beam you from kilometers away. The Easy Anti-Cheat system and the in-game report button are both ineffective at combating these cheaters.

[light imp]

the asia server is totally unplayable in the ranked. i know you guys are trying to deal with it, but there are too many, and some people are making accounts to cheats

[swift notch]

You know. I don't mind playing against diamonds, but why do I have to CARRY Gold teammate who clearly isn't made for gold rank? (They refuse to aim their guns)

[west phoenix]

They always give u the worst of the worst teammates.

[rare fossil]

Yeah

[cedar forum]

O_O

[frail prawn]

Ah yes... what a good ranking indeed...

[somber hound]

to see this hurts

[lusty grotto]

nerf medium and cheat

[wise cliff]

Bro against an entire clan

[rough herald]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183069658086117447/1231867321732038657/IMG_0892.gif
Heavy weapon dude TF2 spec idea

Mini gun:
note:
.Mini gun won't be powerful if its a primary weapon so i put it in spec so we all can feel the might of the minigun
stat:
. shoot at 15 round per second
. 200 max ammo
. can't reload but weapon will regen ammo for 1.5 ammo per sec
. left click will wine up the gun before firing
. right click will wine up the gun but not fire with a loud sound (so when you fire its instant)
. It shred throw walls (how much is for the dev to choses)
. there is no over heat

[light river]

I put over 200 hours into the game only for it to get worse and not better. Now it's unplayable. Full of Cheaters and can't find a match on the ps5 at certain times. Sad times

[ornate knot]

Invisibility is extremely annoying

[west phoenix]

I think this is the best cheater game out there😫. Can't even do a

nything

[stuck ocean]

Go csgo to have " fun " 😅🤣

[proven ibex]

As we're speaking I thought to give one more try. I played quick cashout, matched with AFKs. Thought to try bank it, 2 lights are perma Invis(it's a known bug).. after warm-up started playing tournament, only to end up with Bronze teammates even though we're in gold and plat lobby.. I carried them to second round but game crashed and reconnect dint appear. I opened Netflix after this 😦

[agile flicker]

If you hit em they’re out of it, just need good aim after that

[green magnet]

guys are the spawns a known issue? we are getting spawned 150 metres away from the cashout station ON THE OVERTIME

[quick coyote]

Add sights to weapons since u added sights to the best weapons in the game making the others bad, people using monitor crosshairs will have an advantage.

[unreal widget]

yesterday me and my friends (all golds) played against a team of full diamonds

[cedar forum]

That's a skill issue if you can't use iron sights

[late herald]

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/1ca19ug/please_make_unranked_tournament_back_from_asia/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1

[mortal lichen]

Why I can't find a ranked match no matter what region I choose and whether crossplay is enabled or not?

[stuck ocean]

It s fairly known BUT that s not an issue for them 😅. Complained few times about it and we are noy the only one. They don t give a damn. They just want money from BP and cosmetics bundle, everything else is irrelevent UNFORTUNATELY for us cause it was a great game, and i speak in the past cause it s gonna die soon. Thanks NEXON for handling your game as you always did = greed first.

[crimson pier]

I ask kindly to please take as many aspects of luck out of ranked. I believe a new ranked mode should be implemented to either replace or be running alongside the current form of ranked. The luck of matchmaking teammates can be tuned down with elo matchmaking, however I understand that it is difficult to create that with the smaller player base that The Finals has.

So while the teammate matchmaking is understandable for the time being, I believe the luck factor can be decreased in ranked by limiting third party capabilities. In many matches, a team will have a free round because one or two teams have decided to focus only on one cash out the whole game. So while one team has no one to contest them, the other 3 teams are all fighting for one cash out like it’s quick cash. The team who was never contested may have been the worst team in the round, however it will not matter as the luck of the other team’s decisions have given them a free qualification.

Another example is overtime with one cash out. What will often happen is the team in second, third, and fourth will all be competing for that cash out as they should be, makes sense for them. However the team in first is the luck aspect of this problem. They will ultimately be able to decide who they want to qualify often times, as they will sit back and watch the fight and simply pick off weak players when they find them. The team in first has so much influence for which team will qualify even though they gain nothing from it as they are very often guaranteed to qualify. This simply makes the other teams rely on the first place team and pray that they are the lucky ones to be the least affected by their third party.

A potentially easy solution to this would be simply having a mode that only has 2 teams. Only 2 teams means no third party ability, like power shift. So maybe experiment with power shift ranked or some other 2 team mode.

Thank you for your consideration!

[rough herald]

Mini gun Fact!
. the mini gun: the biggest gun a man can theoretically carry but not fire is ironically called mini
. this is because the "mini" gun are not design as a gun for man to carry but rather design to be mounted on a vehicle, maybe on a moble ground vehicle to use agese man or ship to use agese plain/jet

@broken lake theres a reason they don't do that bro, too risky if they balance wornge even once

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183069658086117447/1231867321732038657/IMG_0892.gif

[broken lake]

I wanna see a more "fuck it we ball" attitude with balancing stuff.

rather than the uber safe approach we've seen the past while. The tiptoeing +1 damage buffs to light guns, etc.

I'd rather have one really stupid fun and creative thing dominating the meta for a week or a few days before an emergeny patch while being goofy and fun to pull off, rather than have medium Fcar be top of the meta for the upteenth week in a row.

variety, even when it's painful, is very much desired at this point.

[glass pendant]

I think Defibrillator can use some tweaks to make player experience better. First please make it more clear that revived enemy is invincible (add some glow or other visual effect). I also suggest to nerf it in some way (health value or/and invincibility window duration) BUT please reload the weapon of revived person. It would make playing with or against mids less frustrating.

[wraith igloo]

In ranked, prioritise matching all of the solo queue with other solo, and parties only with other parties.

[next raft]

change the team colours ffs whoes idea was it to have red, orange, pink, some colour in between pink and orange. all just shades of red (minus blue and purple).
Why not Red, Green, Blue, Yellow, Purple?

[strong escarp]

[BUFFS TO UNDERUSED WEAPONS]

(LIGHT)

• 93R: Decrease delay between bursts from ~0.235s to 0.2s
• 93R: Increase fire rate from ~1020 RPM to 1100 RPM.
• 93R: Increase base damage from 24 to 25.

The 93R suffers from slower TTK than the any other Light SMG, pistol, or even the LH1 (which is a mid-range gun!). These changes will make it more competitive, killing faster than an XP-54 but slower than an M11/V9S, and making it less punishing for partially missed bursts.

• SH1900: Increase damage per pellet from 15 to 16.

This makes the SH1900 hit a breakpoint where it's possible to kill a Heavy with 2 shots and a quick melee. It's a practically useless gun, otherwise.

• SR-84: Increase base damage from 115 to 120.

Given its 2x headshot multiplier, this makes the SR-84 hit a breakpoint where it can kill a Heavy in 3 bodyshots (or 1 headshot + 1 bodyshot). This does not change the number of shots-to-kill on other classes.

(MEDIUM)

• AKM: Increase damage from 20 to 21.

As it stands, this starter gun makes for a poor baseline to balance around, as it kills slower than both of Heavy's LMGs (and even has LESS RANGE than the Lewis Gun!). Make it make sense! Lighter classes should kill faster than heavier classes to counterbalance their health pools! This buff will achieve 0.7s TTK vs. Lights (unchanged), 1.1s TTK vs. Mediums, and 1.6s TTK vs. Heavies, all while accounting for the massive damage per magazine that this gun has.

• Model 1887: Increase fire rate from ~67 RPM to 75 RPM.
• Model 1887: Increase damage dropoff distance from 15-20m to 20-30m.

These changes will make the Model's TTK competitive with the new AKM while giving it greater consistency when poking at range.

• R.357: Increase fire rate from ~140 RPM to 155 RPM.

These changes will make the R.357's TTK competitive with the new AKM.

• FAMAS: Increase base damage from 23 to 24.

As it stands, the FAMAS not only the slowest killing AR, but it's also too punishing for missed bursts. This singular change will AT LEAST the FAMAS competitive with the new AKM, while accounting for its difficulty of usage.

• CL-40: Increase direct hit damage from 110 to 120.
• CL-40: Increase splash damage from 75 to 80.
• CL-40: Allow it to deal a small amount of damage to APS Turrets for each blocked shot.

CL-40 is in a weird place where it's automatically useless when the enemy deploys an APS Turret, but is somewhat usable without that. These changes would make it hit a breakpoint where it can 3-hit kill Heavies, while also making APS Turrets less of a hassle to deal with.

• Riot Shield: Increase damage from 84 to 90.

This lets the Riot Shield hit a breakpoint where it can 4-hit kill Heavies.

(HEAVY)

• KS-23: Increase fire rate from 73 RPM to 90 RPM.
• KS-23: Decrease base damage from 100 to 96.
• KS-23: Add a 1.5x headshot multiplier
• KS-23: Increase damage dropoff distance from 18-23m to 25-30m.

As it stands, the KS-23 is a middling weapon to use, killing slower than Heavies LMGs and auto shotgun while being harder to use. These changes will make the KS-23 more competitive with those guns, while also adding more of a skill-based component to it.

• MGL-32: Increase base damage from 83 to 90.
• MGL-32: Enable explosion on direct hit.
• MGL-32: Allow it to deal a small amount of damage to APS Turrets for each blocked shot.

Allows the MGL-32 to hit a breakpoint where it can 4-hit Heavies, and also greatly increases its consistency by enabling shotgun-like capabilities at extreme close range, and making APS Turret easier to deal with. No need to worry about it making the KS-23 redundant, since that gun will have greater consistency at range anyway.

[main knot]

Ppl think that someone of DEV reading here 😂

[keen osprey]

#👂┇game-feedback why don't we keep on with the theme of every class having there own explosive weapon so that light can have as an example a hand canon.

[sterile sparrow]

3 games in a row, every one of them has a hacker now, hard stuck gold 1. Im disappointed since I was ride or die for this game and event spent good money on cosmetics but knowing what it has come to, it’s sad. If you won’t take any actions against cheaters, then I’ll be putting it down myself, with an already dying player base and now the added hackers, it has become unbearable. I was here from the Closed Beta but it’s about time, I let this go. Y’all can’t seem to do anything about it so I’m not gonna waste more of my time and mental sanity playing this. Fat chance no dev will read this so if you are a player who is looking forward to a good game, don’t. Play something else but this. Bai

[hasty citrus]

easy anti cheat more like easy cheating

[gloomy otter]

Hackers in Asia rank servers are more frequent than no hacker lobbies fix the cheating makes rank pointless

[lost surge]

Limited game mode for the next event??? CAPTURE THE FLAG? Will need to introduce a new map?

[west phoenix]

Absolutely the worst matchmaking. Gives me the worst of the worst teammates ever. Idk if they're trolling or not. Players can't aim or react so slow that they let the other team take the cashbox. It's actually so frustrating how bad this game is when their is so much potential. But hey, kill ur game

[tight rampart]

Hard thought: What if we remove the damage from rbg, at the same time increase the damage to buildings and (attention) add repulsion. What do you think? Rocketjumps in the arena?

[quick coyote]

They can't fix the cheating, Asia server is doomed. That's just the reality of DMA. OW2 has phone plan authorization, This game Is not region locked, It has 0 barier to entry and make a new account and start boosting others. Easy money. Same cheaters sit in ranked all day no matter who reports them

[sand skiff]

and they still sponsored a JPN streamers event while theres a cheater epidemic in asia servers

[wraith igloo]

In exactly the same spot, hit g1 then had like 8 games in a row with either blatant cheating or teammates deliberately throwing games to boost the other teams, dropped back to g2 and rage quit. And I don't rage quit games, but there was literally no other option. I'll still keep playing but any night where the cheating is too much im just going to stop for a while and accept it's unplayable sometimes.

[glass pendant]

I think light class needs less focus on damage and more on utility. I have an idea for a gadget/ability that helps light be more of a team player and more object focused. Lets call it SNATCHER for now. Its a gadget that teleport objects from far away directly to you. I imagine it as some thing with grip and little display that you point in direction of an item you want to teleport. Display shows what item is you are aiming at and you should be able to zoom for better precision. Main purpose for this gadget is to revive teammates by stealing their little statues from safe distance and using normal revive. You can also steal money box from enemy player for game winning moves. Barrels, barricades, APS, dome shields, turrets and other gadgets both from teammates and enemy is your plaything. Maybe it can even reprogram them to become yours for some time. Imagine all the possibilities and outplay potential with something like this!

[smoky gust]

Yeah, i think the game changes very little each week

Imo the devs should be a little braver and throw some s**t at the wall to see what sticks

Figuring out what the new meta is, what works and what doesnt as buff/nerf should keep us occupied and the game fresh

[thick sorrel]

Can you stop spam? It's not even good.

[sterile sparrow]

Same thing happened to me, I played about 20 games but I didn’t let myself get deranked to gold 2 :L it’s disappointing it felt rewarding getting up to here, I’m gonna try one more game, I give up if it turns out like the rest of the games

[prisma thicket]

found the answer to my original question

Will Embark be able to add a practice tool to one of the updates? I know we have a practice mode but an overhaul to it wouldn't go amiss.

I'm suggesting something more akin to what you can do in LoL and CS. Load into an actual map, change cooldowns and spawn bots/target dummies.

It'll allow people to theory craft new mechanics without inting games.

[misty schooner]

Barricade should block vanish bomb not gm through it

[ornate fiber]

ranking up is kinda confusing ngl

[violet elbow]

oh boy cant wait for this weeks Update, I wonder how they will further cripple ranked play and comp this week

[elder umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/tears-sad-crying-cry-crybaby-gif-11706727266753835164

[novel wadi]

Y’all’s I’m not ok I got up at 6:30 am to play the finals

[thick sorrel]

Latest Light nerf was the death blow. The Finals is not even on most played 100 steam chart anymore.

Honestly, I never use this word in those terms. But I love this game and it breaks my heart to see more people playing cookie clicker whatever this is 😭

[torpid sky]

NERF THE FKING TURRENT FIRERATE FFS

[quick dew]

day 3 of asking for a riot shield buff

Im too lazy to copy the stuff I asked for but whatever

[slim lagoon]

Are the servers up? or did they crash

[dull elm]

Fire rate is fine but it just instantly knows where you are with no reaction time
It just instantly starts shooting and chipping down ur health

[upbeat urchin]

cannot login on console either

[subtle lintel]

Same

[timber dove]

I'd even up the damage on turret if it only covered a certain area and wasn't a relentless aimbot

[slender fractal]

The finals for Android please

[craggy nova]

Server not responding, error. Anyone having issues?

[crisp haven]

Yep just been kicked from ranked can’t get back on

[bronze trail]

yes having issue now

[thick badger]

just got disconnected in the last tournament round, great fucking game

[dark ginkgo]

Yep, game night ruined 😄

[west ivy]

what is TFLA0026

[quiet coyote]

good to know that i'm not the only one with the issue lol, has anyone tried verifying integrity of files (at least on steam)?

[zealous cobalt]

TFLA0026 Can't login to game.

[frail zenith]

I think the severs went down

[quick coyote]

how can i post pics?

[proven ibex]

GAME'S CHOKING NOW, ON LIFE SUPPORT..SOO N TO DIE . CONNECTION FAILED. SERVERS DOWN. GET READY FOR BAILING 😢

[obsidian knoll]

revert ranked to the amount of players it had in beta

[foggy sail]

calm down mr rex wtf

[zealous grove]

servers down?

[serene cedar]

what is TFLA0026

[meager dome]

you also have the 0026 problem?

[obsidian imp]

hurray for everyone who lost rank for leaving like me due to server crash

[modest quest]

same

[lament sierra]

went from top 30 to top 60 for this one

[balmy terrace]

Does the game work for you?

[next pine]

anyone else unhappy with the defibrillator revive time? I feel enemies can just camp you and kill you again straight away

[tall herald]

ok im also here for tfla0026, but it seems to be server then?

[drowsy berry]

That's why you must revive while covered

[steady coyote]

TFGE0001

[mellow badge]

tfla0026 servers down?
Edit: CM confirmed in another channel servers recovered

[silent meteor]

fuck same

[pliant lion]

I want to know this as well, since the last patch we haven't spawned closer than 170 meters from a running objective at all (in I guess about 70 ranked matches). If you get team wiped trying to defend an objective you're definitely too late to get back there after respawning because the game throws you on the other side of the map.

[glass nymph]

same, servers down

[quick coyote]

fr

[solid harness]

Server down? (Wtf is happening )(game is now working again)

[upper citrus]

Defend the defib and don’t use it out in the open. Defib is still super strong and a must pick gadget for ranked. It could honestly use another nerf

[shy ruin]

idk cant connect on the website or game ( IT WORKS LETS GO SERVER ARE BACK)

[wicked dragon]

servers down or what. Keeps saying "Connection to the matchmaker lost" or something like that

[devout ridge]

Game is now working again for me

[quick coyote]

Working for me too idk what you all have

[terse lark]

embark please fix your game

[keen lily]

fix the matchmaking, why am I in plat 2 teammates with 2 gold players against 3 diamond teams this is crazy

[rigid lance]

Please start buffing not only the cloaking device back to what is was in the beginning, but start buffing every other gun at least for the light class since I feel like there’s no light class anymore people just run medium and heavy tell me why would you nerf the cloaking device and the stun gun (the only two gadget that helps the light class) if in the beginning it was hard to play light class anyways. People need to understand that if you suck at the game you suck. Either take the time to get better or try to find a way to counter them. At this point if the next update doesn’t buff the cloaking device at least just remove the light class in general no one and I mean no one will use it in ranked or even in casual. FIX THE ANTI CHEAT. How about start tackling on the cheaters first instead of going off at the weapons cuz at the end of the day if you keep nerfing these weapons these cheaters will actually be unstoppable since they can still drain your health bar by like a second. Please do something right cuz not only the players count is dropping but your retention for us “players” aren’t sticking if you keep taking enjoyment out of the game just to please some people who can’t get better at this game. Stop listening to the people that just want to nerf everything cuz it won’t do any good not only for the game for us as a whole community.

[somber hound]

i want a P90 for lights like the one in GGO Alternativ.

[hexed rampart]

How can I fix the error code TFLA0026?

[rose surge]

Revert the cloak nerf

[smoky gust]

The nerf the Devs did to Cloak had nothing to do with it being "Bugged" & didnt address anything about any bugs
that's true
but a lot of people voiced their frustrations about cloak, so the devs had to do something
let it be a temporary solution until the bugs are fixed

NO it just made it almost worthless to use as a Light.
I still a good bunch of lights using it
but I do see a lot more dash usage (about as much as cloak) and a grappling hook every so often

by the way, how would you feel now, if I just started spamming "skill issue" because you cant use it now, while others still do?
its not a valid defense

Making it cost 33% to turn on/off just destroyed it as a utility.
let me quote the patch notes there:
Dev Note: This does not change the maximum sustain time, but makes it drain faster when toggling it on and off too frequently.

It should be just as good for remaining hidden and starting engagements
But if you try to repeatedly cloak while being shot at, its gonna drain quicker

UNSKILLED whiners
again, there is nothing skillful about being subject to bugs
you seem apathetic about any explanations and I doubt there is much use in trying further

if the nerf really killed cloak for you, then you could probably use the bugs in defense of cloak
something like:
no, cloak is balanced fine, just buggy
once the bugs are gone it will be well balanced (/could use a reversion of its nerfs)

would probably be more helpful to your cause than spamming "skill issue" and repeating the same points over and over again

[polar mist]

We need buffs on the light weapons, dash and grapple. Nerfing the cloak was a necessary sacrifice.

[proud eagle]

I came back after 12 years and the hackers are still around

[tall herald]

like 26mins passed and i can play again, think its a server issue, for me its finally solved

[fickle venture]

You guys facing laggy when playing in asia server ?
Ive to play almost everymatch with lag and all those red things pop up on my screen
Ive played apex,valorant,cs2,r6 theres no lag or things like this but when I play the final its always lagging idk whats happening.I face no such thing in first season but its happening almost everytime in season 2.
Btw Im from myanamar(thats anything to do with this?).

[opaque sorrel]

would be nice if max level cap could ever be increased? so we have something else to work on aside from the battlepass and rank? I understand they would have to make 50 more cosmetic items alongside the levels so it might take a while but justa suggestion

[quick coyote]

It's GGs I'll have fun for the remaining 2-3 seasons

[rose surge]

Revert the cloak nerf.

[undone geyser]

Regarding the cloak nerf I think the following should be done: Keep it as it is but instead have the drain happen when you move. If you stand still you'll drain much less, I think that's a more balanced nerf

[bleak phoenix]

Please embark , add a one hours of timeout for people who rage quit in every game mode

[sudden tangle]

Called it. Watch the second round of nerfs to L happen this wednesday without any compensation (maybe like dagger gets a slight buff to compensate) and the players drop to 6k

[vocal rampart]

When ever I use voice communication in this game it adjusts my system microphone volume? This is super annoying and means I normally just don't use this feature and when I do I have to alt-tab out to reset levels so Discord/TeamSpeak can continue working. No other game has this awful behavior.

[shy sphinx]

@mundi7543#0000 seriously. Had three games in a row. Our team died on first advancement and other teammate just quits. Like chill we got the entire match to still win..

[hollow badger]

I dont like to join ranked to only get 1 teammate, thats unfair

[pseudo breach]

Day 26 of asking to put map rotation on a timer for casual. Really sick of getting Horizon and or Vegas 90% of the time.

Also, can we please get South African servers?

[worn sigil]

Stun Gun needs a nerf - change - or removal, but not invis IMO

[frail zenith]

Pls add a team chat so communication purpose even if its a fast pace game in 5v5 if wiped u can stop playing for 30 seconds

[arctic relic]

Anyone know whenever i try to change my ingame name it says personalinfoform.unknown error? They randonly changed it a couple weeks ago havent been able to change it back

[dusk forge]

game mathmatics are too difficult for the vast majority of the playerbase. Do a math test as tutorial to make sure everyone who plays this can solve tasks like "what is 2+2?" or is "2+2 more or less than 5?"

[violet wing]

Game is still as awesome as ever.
I only wish all the people concerned with minor problems being worked on such a young and complex game would just chill and appreciate the game for its abundant qualities rather than its little flaws.
Open your eyes people, we're not getting a game that cool and with such a nice team behind it every sunday. The gloom being spread only makes it worse because less people want to play it, persuading themselves that it's broken or "dead".
If as a fan of the game you're still unhappy about the state of it, at least spread your questions in a positive, constructive way, for example that it's gonna get better if the playerbase sticks to it, waiting for the problems to be ironed out. It's still a very new game, and we already have so much.
Don't forget that the way we express our concerns can drastically change the result, and right now the complaining players in the finals kinda look like a mob of spoiled children.

@novel mauve Totally, I love the randomness of those game events, and I think it adds a level of chaos and luck (and for some even opportunities) that both fits the game very well and also might detract sweaties and cod players from their action per second performance obsession. in short, it's more fun oriented.

@opaque scarab I don't think it means that much to be honest, a huge hype wave for the release and the seasons openings are to be expected. There are so many great games lately, the core playerbase is what remains inbetween the waves, but i agree that currently, it's sadly quite small for such a dope game. Maybe some people are going to migrate from cs2 after the cheat crisis they are going through. We still have less cheaters than many other majors here even though it's always too many.

[hexed rampart]

thank you

[gusty wagon]

fix spawns

[novel mauve]

Remaking this feedback because before I didn't really put any thought into it:

Add dead go boom back (and new ones)
reasoning: The game events are becoming lack lustered, before in the open beta it felt truly incredible and chaotic to play the game, these events where everything was getting destroyed left and right made me love the game, now thats just all gone.
I can't remember the last time I got meteor shower or dead go boom, all I've got when playing was either that UFO game event, mega damage, or the low gravity event. After a while it just gets to a point where I don't even focus on the events and I feel like thats not supposed to happen.
Maybe you guys got rid of it for a good reason or maybe you are fixing it to make it better but I haven't seen any reasoning as to why it got removed, and thats kinda upsetting to see.
by all means, do what you guys believe is best for the game but please don't try to get rid of the things that make the game be what it is trying to be.

Please continue doing the work you guys do and I thank you for making the finals.

[opaque scarab]

I'm still a fan of the game, but the graphs speak clearly. I saw the player base slowly uniforming in picking light class, playing solo more than as a team. They should've discouraged that, instead, light has become the most powerful class killing the sense of this game.
Results are here...

[loud frigate]

Embark please fix Light, the weapons need to buff, specially 93R and Throwing Knives, but all of them could use it, we need this to balance Light and make light great again, posting everyday until it’s the light of day

[shy sphinx]

Embark-All these complaints but really we need to fix fundamental BASE game issue of Cheaters reduced to an amount actually impactful or felt, recognizing you can't reduce 100%, however all changes so far don't have a real world impact. Second, fix the leavers. Every other game sometimes back to back but always 1/5 games people quit after 1 min match if something doesn't go their way. Penalize them!! These two issue affect the core game and balancing weapons, gadgets and new skins etc won't matter. Opinion of a 200hr player.

[fossil hawk]

buff m-11 hipfire, lights entire thing is movement, and its a shame i have the swaggy open beta ospuse skin for it, since i never use it becasuse the xp-54 is just better

[worn sigil]

@shy sphinx they are penalised with a suspension and a negative FP hit which increases the more they do it I believe.

The problem is loss protection. If a teammate rage quits making it next to impossible to steal, we as the remaining team should get loss protection aka at least 0 FP lost, if we somehow get through then it's positive anyways.

But yeah Loss Protection is a must!

[stray rampart]

Do something about this please

[dire smelt]

If the devs dont want this game to actually die they need to fix the basic stuff and they need to do it soon.

[vocal rampart]

This game has so much style and a great design. Despite some issues, it's tons of fun & is the only game I want to play right now. 😘

[mossy cape]

yes

[sage fjord]

It would be nice to see contracts that award $ for the Deep Pocket achievement to alleviate the grind

[red arch]

Cashout & Quick Cash are too similar and it feels slightly weird i guess, there doesn't seem to be any benefits to having 2 similar game modes in the game.

Quick Cash could be adjusted to being more fast paced with quicker respawn times and maybe events in game that alter the "speed" of the game, low grav in a sense somewhat slows the game down so maybe an event exclusive to QC could be speed boost or something similar. CashOut spawns could also be closer or within a smaller radius of the map making fights more frequent and more chaotic which imo is fun? The games in general would be quicker and to the point as implied by the name but also give back that "Finals" feel of chaos destruction and so on where you have consistent fighting.

Cashout itself could have an adjustment on it's format because it also is just the same as QC.
Could go from
Round 1 -> 4 Teams, then Round 2 -> 2 Teams(Team vs Team) similar to how the "finals" are in ranked.
This gives more depth to Cashout in comparison to Quick Cash and if teams want to "Win" and move to the next round they actually need to focus objective. This also kind of builds around "Reaching The Finals" in a more casual scene.

Otherwise, Great game, keep it up! Hope to see it blow up again.

[median owl]

played another ranked match with another cheater aimbot named grandplace, very ridiculous

[craggy nova]

I have also lost a match to that cheater last month.

[quick coyote]

I wish we could sue games for having cheaters fr fr

[willow kindle]

🤨

[ebon otter]

Wat

[fossil hawk]

just got into a match with a guy using aimbot and instantly snapping onto heads in ranked, evasiveringer is his name, is there like a place where i can report a player and stuff actually happen to them?

[proud eagle]

Press ESC > Social > Report Player. but it doesn't work 99.9 of the time because cheaters from Season 1 are still around. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[bronze cave]

this new ranked system with the arrows makes 0 sense

[gritty gorge]

are servers down ?

[pure forum]

Congratulations.. Same sh-t as yesterday.. Having black screen while loading the server! God damn! 10 Euro was too much to pay you for the battle pass! Same sh-t like cod!

[inland nymph]

endless connection when entering the game. Upd.: I'm connected now

[median oriole]

server are back and we lost points and got banned for 1 hour

[young drift]

emtard bruz hoooly

[remote solar]

I don't even have enough time to play with how long it took to launch

[onyx sleet]

servers down rn?

[keen lily]

no wonder this game is dying lol with all the bad changes to ranked, cheaters and unstable servers

[low grail]

Time the queu so long, im platinium and if we try to play premade where we are 2 platinium and 1 GOLD 1, the queu is more or less 40-60 min. When i play alone the queu is too loong, i want to play more but if i cant play ranked because i cant find people...i miss when i was gold and the queu was 2 min.

[mental dagger]

@low grail what servers do you play on ?

[wise jolt]

having problems connecting to servers. im from west europe

[night dune]

It's down rn don't queue

[devout ridge]

same

[proven ibex]

Welcome to finals where even console players can cheat. He's saying someone helped him for aimbot and it's expensive. Can we really use aimbot on console?

[glass nymph]

yes ,cheating programs can run on console

[rare basin]

Do devs know servers are not working right now?

[swift gust]

it seems we are facing server probs. cant search for a game and even if i enter no one is in the match

[rough herald]

What all of a sudden? why do the last 5 que 10min long and why when i do get in a game its empty?
also the loading screen are fuck too

[oak ice]

After servers shut down every team spawned in with 1 teammate, after 60 seconds or so 3/4 teams got 2 teammates. Then the 4th team had 3 people. Throughout the game thee were lag spikes/disconnects that resulted in teams having 1 or fewer players. Should I report?

[queen cloud]

I love this game. But I don't really like the direction the devs are taking in regards to balance.

They keep changing way too many stuff way too often that don't need changing and the game is still poorly balanced for comp play. It's okay for casual play only.
At this point I feel the game need a total rework for things to get balanced, almost feels too far gone.

Also they need to do better in regards to anti cheat or it'll die very quickly.

First dumb balance changes I remember:

• AKM range and recoil nerf;
• revolver nerf / cl40 buff;
• fcar recoil nerf;
• invis nerf. It's only strong in quickcash/against bad players where people split a lot and lack awareness. They nerfed it wrong. It should be more visible/audible, especially upclose instead of activation nerf. Sometimes it bugs and you can't even hear an invis running right behind u.

[ivory acorn]

They are aware, yes. #💥┇spawn-point message

[elder umbra]

lmoaa they even say 'till death do us part'

[obsidian solar]

Give smoke grenade to all classes! It would open so many possibilities! I would use smoke so much if it was on medium, on the other hand i've barely seen any Light using smoke, especially when they have better gadgets to choose from

[fossil hawk]

since the famas is the long range gun for mediums, i guess, i think it should have better range, like increase the distance it takes for damage falloff to set in

[timber hazel]

really like your idea. So i text the support teamm. This is what they said about it. "due to the abuse of emotes and the fact it didn't brought much value, it was decided to lock them out."

[ivory badger]

Work has to be done on the voice chat ui I believe:
Sometimes, when I talk, then stop, my username will still appear in the top right as if I was still speaking, and sometimes not
It's quite hard to tell who's speaking, because sometimes their usernames won't appear at the top right while they're speaking, and when you try to see who's speaking by looking at the bottom left, it's hard to see because when someone's speaking, just a single line is added to the speaker icon
Basically, I think that it would be best if THE FINALS had something like Counter-Strike does, I believe that what Counter-Strike does for voice chat UI is the best.
I also believe that by default, the voice chat should always be enabled for everyone, and if people want to opt out, they should do it on a per-game basis. Way too much people disable their voice chat, and can't hear anyone. (yes, again, I think it would be best to do it the Counter-Strike way)

[past steeple]

In the LFG Discord channel in Korea, many players stop playing THE FINALS after Unranked Tourney was removed from the playlist. This is because many cheaters play more ranked tournaments rather than play unranked tournaments. In addition, it is more casual because there are fewer rounds, but it also encourages more play because there is a sense of purpose and reward of winning the tournament.

I understand that unranked tournaments were excluded from the playlist in order to alleviate the long queue times of ranked tournaments. However, this is only for North American players, who are relatively free from cheaters, and shows no consideration for Asian users , who "literally" have to encounter cheaters in every match and i can say this as INDIRECT DISCRIMINATION TO ASIANS. You guys said in last time discrimination is bad when people insists that seperate the chinese players from global server. Then, STOP INDIRECTINAL DISCRIMINATION TO ASIAN PLAYERS.

Please, please give us back the only SHELTER that can keep us away from cheaters.

[queen needle]

love the famas

[shrewd plank]

RANKED SYSTEM BUGGED | CAN'T GAIN PLACES
I'm plat 2. I keep losing places on the leaderboard. I get -1 after every round 2/3 exit. I get -2 after 1st round exits.

The only way I can gain places on the leaderboard if I reach the finals.

My friend who is Plat 1. ALWAYS gain +1 after round 2 exit and gain +2 after a round 3 exit. It's not performance based. Even if I carry I still get less than my friend.

I was Diamond 1 last season. The ranked system still behaves like I'm diamond.

[broken lake]

it's really not. They can just revert the change a week later. Or nerf it from that point to something better

Like I said, I'd much rather have some wacky and creative thing that's broken for a week than just this flat boring meta

EDIT: You pinged me. My ping is in your comment, at least on my screen

[ruby ginkgo]

wish I could get kills for throwing people off the map by cutting their zipline

[rough herald]

you reply to the worge guy

[cerulean jetty]

what's up with the server? everyonbe got disconnected 2 games in a row, then on the 3rd round at least everyone per team was cheating wtf

[thorn elbow]

game 1 ✅
hacker 1 ✅

lets see how many we see today

[waxen tinsel]

Create test branch for users to test upcomming changes I think it's a good one 😄

[main knot]

Feel you man, im stack in plat 1 and i ho up and down all time and in dont know at what point of this odysse im on.

[slim sleet]

Revert Everything

[stoic lion]

Agreed! Or if they’re low, and they jump off map so you don’t get the kill, last person that shot them should get the kill.