👂┇game-feedback

[royal valley]

update not working for me it's not showing up on steam .... and i can open the game

[young minnow]

Add proximity chat 😏

[sonic spoke]

💯 sorry $6.68 for a cool shotty skin is not going to happen.

[plucky torrent]

Wish we did not have to wait a whole nother week for recon sense rework if they are actually pushing updates this fast. the changes we got today look great on paper with the exception of CL40. It should have gotten a buff to structure damage instead I think.

[lament talon]

Just get good instead of calling for everything to be nerfed lmao

[thin hinge]

Ok, personal opinion ofc...

I wouldn't remove anything in this game. I honestly think everything has it's place in the game, and just needs to be balanced.

Like the devs said, they will work on recon... I think the rework of it should be all about its radius...
If you make recon to only see footprints or other thing, it will suck and it is not the essence of recon like you have imagined. You made it like wall hack so let's keep it that way but with less radius. Tbh it's the best solution I can think of.

Also, nerf the nukes more... travel distance got nerfed i believe, but i would nerf it a little more. Also, the damage it does is stupid. You can literally kill an entire team with one heavy nuke.
Probably the heavy mesh shield? In my opinion it still has a lot of HP.

I wouldn't mind one less damage on FCAR if you give 5 more bullets to it. I feel like FCAR needs a nerf and a buff at the same time, even though FCAR is still an amazing gun.

I would create a Custom game mode.
I want to see pro tournaments of this game soon.

This is just my opinion...

[manic aspen]

you are bronze

[fierce flume]

Im sorry but i need to say no to that man. Its not that easy to just change it

[near lava]

Can yall add more stuff for VRS and levels next season? I’ve been max at everything for awhile now and it makes me have no grind whatsoever I mean I’m glad the battle pass was good and easy to get but I’d like more actual content to grind for that’s gameplay specific, Rather than just only cosmetic.

[vernal girder]

Guarantee this FCAR nerf isn't changing anything. It's literally a meaningless gesture handed out to the player base - the amount of shots needed to kill each class remains exactly the same. Another week of 10+ mediums running FCAR per lobby. No changes to Recon ensure this will be the case for another week straight.

Update needed to be stronger and more certain - getting the build diversity up is crucial right now and this hasn't done it.

[tranquil kernel]

pls stop nerfing things

[twilit leaf]

remove recon until next update is it really that hard

[lavish shard]

Rework

[dusk robin]

Okay, now we need to move on to the next level for good.

make a real request for feedback concerning the weapons to be balanced or not from real big players, in order to be able to get as close as possible to certain concrete and thoughtful things and not to an insignificant nerf/buff on certain things...

completely removes the recon sense, which we can have after the good nerf of the heavy nuclear, a fluid and homogeneous game, readable and com...

Ending season 1 prematurely, to launch season 2 and in the heads of people, of players, can say to themselves that everything is almost perfect or almost, new start it's over, it's over for good now!

because today in 2024 many players unfortunately feel frustrated to the point that we can make a perfect game but if everything is not done as quickly as possible, no one comes back and we end up with games after long months /year ended well but game dead...

no hatred in my proposals only love, but I think he should quickly take the right turn with all the right cards in hand from now on 😭

[turbid gate]

Womp Womp

[keen lily]

dude you already posted this stop spamming

[quick coyote]

Solo queing is terrible. Please increase the size of team members

[wind apex]

Remove bots that is my only suggestion

[heavy ruin]

I just got into a ranked match with over 6 teams in 1 game

[flint badge]

Why did they nerf revolver range #customfinals🤨

[dusty plume]

Stfu weirdo

[abstract elbow]

What did this new patch do? There are 5 teams in game, crosshairs are bugged, scoreboard bugged, etc

[reef jasper]

Can we get 1 extra damage per pellet on the SH1900 ?

2 shots and 2 melee to kill a single heavy is like a full days work lol

2 shots and 1 melee I could understand more

Or put damage back to original and hard nerf the range , most poeple hated the distance it could go from what I could tell

[placid valley]

The game is now half balanced, still kinda lame at the moment. Hope the game can hold to the next week.

Still waiting for the changes to recon rework, overlapping heal beams, faster light hp regeneration, weapons adjust, defib cooldown.

Embark also needs to bring the content to farm after reaching the max level.

Could probably fix the game when losing another 10k players. If they don't screw up next week, there should be a chance.

[light hull]

Embarkers and CMs should get Free for all classic (DeatchMatch) like in the game quake, cash out is bad mode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AemqQuH37iMtr

[thorn fern]

and c4 nukes

[dawn ice]

add killcams

[thorny latch]

L patch, defib,fcar dnt need nerf

[opaque patio]

give us kill credit when we boop people off the map

[twilit leaf]

Remove recon til next patch

[fierce flume]

I feel like people are just complaining for the sake of complaining at this point. Half of the things i see on here is probably because you died from it once and got angry. Sure, heal beam is kinda op, but yall can wait for the next update.

Also @thorny latch maybe skill issue?

[merry creek]

Matchmaking for ranked on xbox seems to be taking a while... just hit 10min mark and still searching

[rare urchin]

Recon rework 100%

Buff the AK so it can actually compete with FCAR

FCAR and defib didn’t need to be nerfed

Triple M Recon is annoying people actually thinking they’re good pre firing corners 😂🤡 but still getting melted

[indigo osprey]

This is too real like yall need a reality check either stop playing the game or get good and stop complaining about random scenarios you guys in here gotta be the most greedy individuals.

[quick coyote]

Finally some medium nerfs! THANK YOU!!!!

[sharp slate]

let me disable mele tracking. I'm on PC I WANT TO DECIDE WHERE TO HIT MY MELE WEAPON

[placid valley]

For the nuke problem:

When we shoot those bottles applied with C4, they should instantly explode in place instead of flying over and exploding. The game always allows people to walk around with a nuke and throw it when they see someone. When they are carrying such a dangerous item, there should be a risk involved.

This change would make sneak attacks with nuclear bombs still effective, manufacturing nukes based on your team's needs, rather than mindlessly preparing it in advance and waiting for the next cooldown. It also provides an opportunity for enemies to resist, as long as they can discover and shoot it in advance. Now even if you shoot, it takes too long to explode, and usually the nuke has already flown on top of you.

If the goal is to maintain the damage and range, this is what I think would be the best modification for nuke. The change will maintain the original game style, but also provides countermeasures at the same time .

[shadow gyro]

THIS, PLEASE

[subtle niche]

Giving lights 225 hp?! That's absolutely absurd. Light would just be a better medium.

[final shore]

increase the chance of getting alien invasion map event

[smoky gust]

even if they instantly exploded, you aren't 100% accurate

either you ads (which takes time) and hope you hit it, in which case the heavy is likely save
or
you spray and pray and its a coin toss if it works

and you still die instantly to anyone you didn't immediately notice or when rounding a corner which is way too punishing for something that either takes a disproportionally huge amount of effort to avoid or is completely out of your control

nukes should not be buffed

[steel stirrup]

Average Medium Main

[frail prawn]

Buff AK? AK works fine and with a good dps, It is a fair and balanced weapon, FCAR is the one that needs a nerf, medium shouldn't be able to melt every class with that fire rate and such easy control, that weapon just dont have any downside

Defib needed a nerf but revives dont, the nerf should have been only for Defib

[opaque patio]

literally all I've seen u do is complain about other people complaining about medium .what do you expect from a feedback channel 😭 do you come here just to get angry

[indigo osprey]

No its just funny people fatasizing about patch notes and write wholes ass paragrpas or people complaing about their game sense being shit cause they dont know how to play with a team

[quick coyote]

WHY SHOULD I LOSE POINTS FOR LOSING A GAME in ranked that I loaded up with with 1 missing team mate???? EXPLAIN embarc????

[vague shadow]

Can we PLEASE buff the assassin dagger to its pre beta state where you could hold down the backstab button? Now that cloak is slightly nerfed the assassin dagger should be buffed

[marsh urchin]

My mate can not join my group. It says error. He's on ps5 and i'm on pc. Yesterday it worked flawlessly but today not. Seen 3 other people in the chat that have the same issue. And we've tried many things. Crossplay off and on, Restart game...

[sonic spoke]

Smoke everything

[plucky torrent]

invisibility shold have like a half second charge up or something

[fluid raptor]

add a practice mode where you can actually play on all the maps to practice movement and invite friends for fun and testing out weapons in actual fights

[cloud jungle]

Invisibility needs a full rework. Making it an IRL vision test is just terrible, horrible design. It screws over visually impaired players which is completely unnecessary and unfair.
While players with good vision and monitors can essentially just ignore the entire specialization.

[smoky storm]

I have pretty bad eyesight but can spot it pretty easily. The only thing that makes it hard to spot is forced TAA, which blurs your screen during motion. If we got an option to disable all anti-aliasing, it would help tremendously.

The blur causes eye strain and headaches in some people and reduces visibility considerably. So ask for an option to disable anti-aliasing!

[light hull]

Embarkers and CMs should get Free for all classic (DeatchMatch) like in the game quake, cash out is bad mode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AemqQuH37iMtr

[nocturne flare]

Text chat when?

[fierce flume]

Yes. I want to bully my randos

[molten trail]

i want to actually communicate with my team, so i can make basic callouts like "he's 1 hp" or "don't revive" or "dont take the vault" or "dont put mines on the objective yet" which would be a game changer for ppl who don't voice chat

[blissful bridge]

Throwables:
-Decreased Health
-Slightly Bigger Hitbox

This would make the NUKE! riskier to use and easier to counter without introducing another nerf to the C4 and Heavy Class.

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I would like to see more interactions with maps too.
-Map Altering Destruction Points (i.e. Skyway Bridge)
-Overgrown Areas for Fire Destruction / Shortcuts Accessible with Fire
-Indestructible Doors / Control Areas (i.e. Turret and Walls in Las Vegas, Raised Bridges in Seoul)
-More Casual Interactions (i.e. Jackpots for example)
-Extreme Weather (Tornados, Earthquakes, etc.)

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Mode Rule Variations:
There are map variations and it would be cool to see rule variations in casual modes.

QUICK-CASH
"Over-Time Rule"
During this match the timer will stop while the Cashout is being stolen.

"Cashbox Money Loss"
During this match the Cashbox will lose value the longer it stays in the field.

BANK-IT / SOLO BANK-IT
"Vanishing Coins"
During this match dropped Coins will disappear after 5-15 seconds

"No Vaults"
During this match Coins will only drop from eliminated Contestants.

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QUALITY OF LIFE

Dead Go Boom - Trophies tick down 5 secs with loud audio cue and are throwable by anyone.
Contestant Characters increased from 6 to 9
Ability to Invite Teammates into the Practice Range

Team Loadouts viewable by button press in scoreboard menu
Enemy Specializations viewable in scoreboard menu
Enemy Class viewable in scoreboard while they are dead

VR Bucks into Coin (3,000VR = 150 coins) or Cosmetics buyable with VR bucks or unlocked through in-game actions.
Color Wheel for Cosmetics (primary, secondary, and accent)
Replay Mode

FORGE MODE AND CU$TOM LOBBIES

[loud cargo]

how do you invite friends to you party

[foggy ginkgo]

Ooo no recon nerf where the crybabies at

[lapis crystal]

Can we nerf granades, 1 shotting a light, hello

[stiff tusk]

How we liking the fcar smol nerf chat, haven't played yet

[late hinge]

Does Embark hate the throwing knives and if so why cause the 1.5.5 patch did NOT fix the problem

[normal shale]

there wasnt a problem with throwing knives i swear

[quick coyote]

I really hope that now the people have what they want, we can focus on bug fixes in this chat instead of picking another effigy to burn.

Audio cues are bugged

Vaults and trophies fall through the floor and do not return to the arena

Jump pads and mines can be placed in an “inactive state” if they spawn under an entity

The lower limit of explosion damage is smaller than the programmed range (according to the patch notes anyways)

These are genuine concerns we should be talking about

[steep pollen]

I just left a game with cheater where we were 7 teams in the same game (got a screenshot) is that a new game mode ?

[dry kindle]

Not had this before but just had a team of people hold the game hostage.
Team of 3 taking the cash box up the crane and then sitting up there with goo guns and flamethrowers so nobody could get near the box to move it.

Maybe a feature should be implemented where if the cash box isnt moved in a certain amount of time it changes location.

[ebon peak]

MnK support on console,,just like fortnite and warframe

[daring fossil]

Ive had this happen, its even worse when they hold it in an elevator (indestructable). You can breach charge or C4 the crane down, or use any other explosives

[vapid flint]

I got this too

[ebon elbow]

Yes

[wraith hinge]

Excited for this to hopefully return, please be soon

[late finch]

Has anyone had a bug on ranked that there are over 8 teams on the game and you have no crosshair

[quick coyote]

the revolver nerfs are way too harsh. at max damage you do 74 on a bodyshot, at max falloff you do 24.

at 35m pre-patch you would do 74 damage, but at 35m now you do 39 damage if my math is right

this effectively kills revolver's effectiveness in most situations, leading it to be used in situations where it's almost better to just run the shotgun or fcar.

at 35m pre-patch, it would kill a medium in 4 bodyshots. now, it takes 7.
you have to shoot 6 shots, land them all, reload, and then shoot another shot. you would be dead by then as fcar is just objectively stronger now.

[shell lotus]

ADD MNK SUPPORT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sour bane]

Thank you Embark for listening to the community and addressing Medium. Major respect 💯

[stiff tusk]

It's a pistol not a sniper, it's meant to be used in medium to close range scenarios, not demolish people 2 rooftops away, it's fair now

[vale stirrup]

PLZ NERF TURETS THEY ARE HELLA OP

[sage bison]

Thank you embark for acknowledging recon, this is a good step 👍. Now next update we remove it

[lapis wagon]

not a fan of current sniper or the nade launcher

[plucky torrent]

Invisibility needs a cool down when broken. Otherwise there is zero risk to using it and people can play like actual rats

[cold glen]

A team game and still no basic communication method, when are we getting text chat?

[daring fossil]

please bring back the Halloween costume with the black skirt and the thigh-high socks. I don't want to wait until next Halloween for it.

@quick coyote I was just testing it, and I agree. All they needed to do was reduce dispersion, the revolver is already at a huge disadvantage compared to other medium weapons, and anything else from the other classes. it takes 6 headshots to kill the medium dummy in the back of the range.

Also the throwing knife buff did literally nothing. The knives still spread out 5-6 feet from each other while airborn or sliding it's just completely random when they might not, so now it's just an RNG weapon, dispersion needs to be removed entirely on throwing knives to make them viable. its already hard enough to hit anything with them.

[sudden marlin]

2 in a row cheaters lobby after patch

[gaunt thunder]

Recon is to op yes but heavy with flamethrowers and nukes is much stronger and requires less skill

I’m wining 80% of my games in diamond with flamethrower

I’m not saying that recon don’t needs a nerf cause it needs one but there are more thing that are really strong and requires less skill

[waxen granite]

No

[alpine jungle]

This isn’t CB2 flame is not OP anymore

[lavish shard]

All problème its recon
Rework recon
After cry heavy ect...

[sudden tangle]

When will L get some love? Still the weakest class by far.

[nocturne flare]

L is an L

[smoky storm]

healing beam:Heal from two beams DOES NOT STACK. Healing is paused for 1/8-1/4 second if target takes bullet dmg. Help prevent mercy healbotting cosplay. environmental/gas/fire dmg does not trigger cd

Remove/nerf Recon: #👂┇game-feedback message
nerf/rework defib:#👂┇game-feedback message

Glitch nade explodes on impact with shield, player, or equipment.otherwise regular fuse

db shotty rework:#👂┇game-feedback message

1.5-2x Dash range
2 charges of grapple hook

Gadget/C4 Nerf:#👂┇game-feedback message

Option for "sprint always enabled" / auto sprint, or sprint/sliding interaction reworked(Please see this video, where it is described in detail https://youtu.be/tdOKEgrwZHc). Currently movement is pretty good, but also a bit awkward from a control perspective due to how sprint and slide interact. It could be massively improved via updated controls.

option for dark flashbang

Please give alternate team colors, colors are hard to distinguish

Allow for separate Jump/Vault keybinds on MNK

Using scroll wheel for jump/vault causes inconsistency, please fix/address

Improve subregion matchmaking(always low ping)

built in performance and network indicators FPS, ping, packet loss

Input based matchmaking: #👂┇game-feedback message

In ranked mode, all teams start with 10k, instead of 0(more stakes when fighting early)

Option to disable TAA and all anti-aliasing(I beg!)

Visual Clarity and gunsight fix:#👂┇game-feedback message

ladders do not autoclimb,require pressing "use" key

event suggestions: #👂┇game-feedback message

[glacial salmon]

There should be zero invincibility when reviving. You should not be rewarded for reviving your teammate in the split second in a firefight.

If youre gonna get a risky revive, get a risky death too.

[quick coyote]

a good light will guarantee you the 2,000 dollars from putting a vault in a cashout, and kill a heavy in .7 seconds. the key word here is a /good/ light

[frosty obsidian]

#CustomFinals

[sage bison]

delusional

[tough willow]

I just want nicer clothes, those relaxed fit jeans are ugly. There's really not much room to color coordinate anything or go outside of the prepackaged outfits.

[blissful bridge]

Throwables:
-Decreased Health
-Slightly Bigger Hitbox

This would make the NUKE! riskier to use and easier to counter without introducing another nerf to the C4 and Heavy Class.

---

I would like to see more interactions with maps too.
-Map Altering Destruction Points (i.e. Skyway Bridge)
-Overgrown Areas for Fire Destruction / Shortcuts Accessible with Fire
-Indestructible Doors / Control Areas (i.e. Turret and Walls in Las Vegas, Raised Bridges in Seoul)
-More Casual Interactions (i.e. Jackpots for example)
-Extreme Weather (Tornados, Earthquakes, etc.)

---

Mode Rule Variations:
There are map variations and it would be cool to see rule variations in casual modes.

QUICK-CASH
"Over-Time Rule"
During this match the timer will stop while the Cashout is being stolen.

"Cashbox Money Loss"
During this match the Cashbox will lose value the longer it stays in the field.

BANK-IT / SOLO BANK-IT
"Vanishing Coins"
During this match dropped Coins will disappear after 5-15 seconds

"No Vaults"
During this match Coins will only drop from eliminated Contestants.

---

QUALITY OF LIFE

Dead Go Boom - Trophies tick down 5 secs with loud audio cue and are throwable by anyone.
Contestant Characters increased from 6 to 9
Ability to Invite Teammates into the Practice Range

Team Loadouts viewable by button press in scoreboard menu
Enemy Specializations viewable in scoreboard menu
Enemy Class viewable in scoreboard while they are dead

VR Bucks into Coin (3,000VR = 150 coins) or Cosmetics buyable with VR bucks or unlocked through in-game actions.
Color Wheel for Cosmetics (primary, secondary, and accent)
Replay Mode

FORGE MODE AND CU$TOM LOBBIES

[upper citrus]

remove recon

[daring fossil]

in 2 more weeks maybe when another 10,000 quit playing.

They need like 20-25 more hp

Slightly faster run speed or better movement ability (higher jumping, less slide friction and/or movement speed increase when sliding)

grapple needs its cool down reduced by 3 seconds.

Cloak still needs a nerf but not to the normal activation cost or cooldown, if you get shot while cloaked, there should be a cool down before they can reactivate it, also after firing.

The LH1 could use a dispersion reduction

Throwing knives need dispersion removed, and maybe slightly faster throw speed for primary attack.

Backstab should be hold to charge like beta and have an option to disable aim assist on melee weapons.

I think the other light weapons are mostly in a good place, except Mp5 is the main pick for almost everyone playing light and probably the gun I die most to when I play light, so maybe it needs a small nerf.

M11 is useless outside of 20 meters which forces a more aggressive playstyle but limits the loadout types it can pair with. Good for cloak, not good for grapple.

barely anyone is using the DB now, which is good for the rat cloak/stun/db build, but maybe it needs a rework, or a faster reload time.

[cunning dagger]

Please give am option to leave match when your teammates have left. Why the fuck are we forced to play and get a negative

[lament talon]

I'm highest rank in all competitive games i play you guys are just complaining cus you don't understand

[quick coyote]

your word is law

[indigo osprey]

seems like you projecting lmao, you just proved my point @ing me

[daring garnet]

Hi, I'm a west player, and my region doesn't show in the finals. Will it cause me to experience glitch lag?

[manic aspen]

mad cause bad

[quick coyote]

That's just normal here. Cheaters are a feature. ✊ 😔

[jagged ocean]

Pve idea: team of 3 doing cashouts while hoards of enemies try to get to u while they destroy everything in their path

[sudden tangle]

Bruh you're clowning. The 2k almost never matter and after double barrel nerfs lights kill heavies as good as other classes at best, but usually worse.

[long tapir]

googun and flamthrower is unbeatable, we are just stunned and can't move while they burn us....

[quick coyote]

please jsut fix ranked matchmaking. gold and bronze should not be cued together

[tawny goblet]

The Heavy’s barricade should have a charm and sticker slot.

[dreamy latch]

Really really good patch today, but could we get a "known issues" section in the future to know which changes are in the works?

[shell lotus]

ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSOLE!!!!!!! @quick coyote what makes you think that mnk shouldn’t be allowed on console ? When pc can switch from controller to mnk?

[nocturne flare]

Text chat when?

[eternal mantle]

i think all class hp should be brought closer together, 50hp between each class. sort of feels like im playing overwatch with such a great hp gap, which i do not like.

[boreal fable]

Embark, this is excellent to hear about future plans like this. Please communicate with us like this regularly going forward, thank you! -> "A note about the future: based on your feedback and our own telemetry evaluation, we recognize that the Recon Senses ability for the Medium build needs an overhaul and we’re working on that right now. You can look forward to that change and more in next week’s update!"

[flat vector]

Anyone else having trouble joining parties?

[abstract elbow]

Legitimate issue: Red colourblind people cannot see shit with the FCAR sight being red. Colourblind mode DOES NOT CHANGE THIS.

[blissful bridge]

QUALITY OF LIFE
-Dead Go Boom - Trophies tick down 5 secs with loud audio cue and are throwable by anyone.
-Contestant Characters increased from 6 to 9
-Ability to Invite Teammates into the Practice Range

-Team Loadouts viewable by button press in scoreboard menu
-Enemy Specializations viewable in scoreboard menu
-Enemy Class viewable in scoreboard while they are dead

[daring fossil]

@boreal fable they should have just temporarily removed it from the game in the mean time instead of acknowledging that it's broken but letting it run rampant for another week. sorry the image is for the person im replying to, discord didn't format this like I wanted

[proper shore]

i am a Silver 2 and i just got matched against 3 diamond players on opposite teams....

[glacial salmon]

There should be zero invincibility when reviving. You should not be rewarded for reviving your teammate in the split second in a firefight.

I cant tell you how much i hate when a I clap a 1v2 just for the Medium to quickly go around a corner and revive. If youre gonna get a risky revive, get a risky death too.

This would get more risky mediums rushing to revive while watching a body.

[cunning cedar]

Here's how to nerf Defibs the right way to stop revive chains:

Add a few seconds cooldown to the Defib after being revived.

Problem solved🤝🏼

[blissful tapir]

🤡

[crisp heart]

Recon sense:

• make the noise louder or more obvious somehow or add a visual effect to have some form of cue for people who are outside of the audible range. recon sense should NOT give away the user's location though. if it emitted visual waves like a sonar grenade, it would be too easy to kill the recon sense user.
• should let people know when they are detected (similar to sonar grenades and tracking dart). i dont know how it should work. but i think it would help a lot if people who die because they were detected could understand that is the reason for what happened.
• should not update every frame. right now its very easy to shoot someone the frame they become visible because you know they are about to run out from behind cover beforehand. If the recon sense updated at a lower frequency, like if it updated at most 5ish fps, it would still be useful for locating people but not as much of an advantage for combat
• should have like 80% of the range that it has now. i dont personally think its OP that you can see across the map but i can see why changing this aspect of the ability is appealing

[snow swan]

COMPLETELY rework the light class. it's so weird and useless and doesn't fit into the games dynamic at all

[weak escarp]

The gap in the middle of the turrets make it inconsistent to hit. If you are aiming at a turret from medium range, I feel like you shouldnt have to account for some of your bullets going right through the middle of it. (Its rly bad when playing revolver)

[lapis crystal]

I bet you got also 2 Bronze 4 or players that enver played ranked, right

[gaunt thunder]

Heavy is rn to op and to easy to use with the nukes and flamethrower in wining so much games in diamond lobby’s with it

Everyone is saying no cause you only think about recon, yes recon needs big nerf/rework but nukes are just free kills and flamethrower needs no aim for making 1v3

[boreal fable]

Yes, just remove i-frames completely. Also tone down the flash when revived so we can actually see right away.

[ebon peak]

Yes,,,I don't know why devs are not implementing such a simple thing,,pc has MnK and controller,,why such a thing is not possible on next gen consoles😔

[shell lotus]

ADD MNK SUPPORT ON CONSOLE !!!!!!!!!!!

[soft gorge]

ADD MNK SUPPORT ON CONSOLE !!!!!!!!!!!

[smoky gust]

My problem: I appreciate the stun gun nerf but I think the durations was not the main issue (although it did add to it)

A light can eliminate any class in about 1-3 seconds
It barely matters if the stun lasts 5s or 3.75s, you're probably dead either way

The bigger problem is counterplay, or rather, the lack of it
Currently the only thing you can do once stunned is spray and pray while they only need to hit someone who is standing still
This means the light gains a lot of survivability while also having a way easier time aiming, 2 things they are supposed to struggle with

The video below is a semi-decent clip I managed to capture recently:
My teammate got stunned, couldn't aim down sight and had to resort to spraying
The light had an easy target, survived the spray and got to kill them (this issue gets worse the further away the light is as well)
What makes this even more annoying is that the spray is random, so your survival is up to a coin toss, which is not fun

Suggestion: let us be able to aim down sight while stunned, this eliminates the RNG and gives it actual counterplay (being to focus on aim to kill them before they kill you)

Important footnote: this is not a good state to be in for both parties
You should be able to counter the stun gun in some way besides "just don't get hit/stick close to teammates"
But lights also shouldn't need to rely on them to such an extend to be useful

Please let us ads while stunned to make the stun gun less frustrating and buff light in some capacity so that they have a better fighting chance

[dreamy latch]

change it to like 2.5s and the dead go boom event sounds really funny

[jagged ocean]

Crop-top cosmetics when 😔🥺

[proper shore]

we got TERRIBLE players too (no offense i wish them luck), one couldnt even surpass 900 damage in 2 GAMES

[daring fossil]

the range needs to be nerfed to 7m like its IRL counter-part. 12m is fucking redonkulous, this would cause the light to be closer when stunning giving the stunned user a better chance of hitting their hipfires. (melee users are fucked completely when hit by stun)

@astral frost light needs to be buffed all around, they shouldn't have to rely on stun for kills.

[astral frost]

why are people complaining about the only viable light build LMAO

[manic aspen]

stun gun doesn't need a nerf at all, just aim better and the light is dead

[woeful arch]

😤 The moving platforms on the Seoul map are incredibly frustrating. Some days, you can rush and jump between platforms easily. Some other days, you get killed by the environment because your character suddenly does not know how to get their arms out and reach the next platform. I don't understand the gameplay value there, it mostly feels like a counter-intuitive game mechanism since characters can use their arms to jump on top of windows and most other elements on the map. I understand there's angle and whatnot that counts into it but since there is no visual feedback as to distance and angle with the FPS view, it mostly feels punitive. Only left me with a sense of having let down on my team every time I ended up falling to the platforms. Not excluding skill issue here ofc, but man I hate those platforms.

[nocturne flare]

Text chat when?

[solemn linden]

Yo last patch messed up matchmaking just a tiny bit - this was not just visual. ingame the entire UI was messed up aswell

[quick coyote]

80% of the range it has now would still basically be the entire map. Even half the map would be way too OP. Being able to tell where all other players are basically 24/7 is just too good. Match this with your detection idea you'd just constantly get pinged for being scanned. It would be far more annoying than helpful.

[half swallow]

@rare spear please restore the support of Keyboard and mouse on consoles for us. Or address us the reason why you guys exclude it from the previous update. For fairness don't allow players on Keyboard and mouse on consoles to turn off crossplay.

[placid valley]

Light has no other ways to help the outcome of the game except killing people. Medium has healing and recon, and Heavy has a lot of shields. If the detect functions are not moved to Light, then the Light will inevitably have excessive killing power in order to balance the game or just stay too weak.

[pale tangle]

Lobby times are ridiculous after update for ranked. Can't get into match for 10 minutes.

[rancid oyster]

I think that the speed of the super attack of the 2 knife are to slow

[shell lotus]

I really don’t get why some of yall are against mnk support on console, WHEN PC CAN LITERALLY SWITCH FROM CONTROLLER TO MNK, quit gate keep mnk support, yall are the goofiest set of people around, freedom of input should be allowed like yall pc players can have, we just want fair grounds of choice, I can’t even play with my pc friend cuz the AA has been nerfed to the dang ground and I can’t compete with mnk, ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSOLE ITS NOT HARD

[crisp heart]

Ok but I feel like you may be a bit biased against recon sir

[quartz girder]

i just had the wildest tournament. glitched out all the teams toward the end where it thought we had 5 teams but they were all just our team and enemy team -- and we had two cashouts, took em both at same time, one next to us then ended enemy team and took theirs and won instantly lol-- prior to this the game thought there were a ton of teams and i couldnt see alot of on screen gui text for the teams in prior games. anyone seen this happen? or is it a new glitch?

[wise estuary]

this is why it’s not a good idea to let bronzes influence balance changes. light neeeds a buff not a NERF?! 💀

[wanton dove]

CL-40 needs** 5** magazine not 4.
And It need reload buff.
It's weak compare to other weapons.

[lapis crystal]

how can I be toxic without a text chat man

[sour bane]

with that aim, no wonder you're complaining. you had more than enough time to kill him when you were unstunned. skill for something being "overpowered". you literally missed all your shots lmao

[dawn ice]

add a stronger sniper but make it slower like a barret

[smoky gust]

nothing stops the light from just dashing past/increasing the distance after the stun
and even then, it gives the stunned a better chance of hitting hipfires but its still random and infuriating

@manic aspen you survived with 7 hp
rng randomly made you hit more shots than my teammate
had 1 or 2 bullets gone the other way, you would have been dead instead

this is exactly the reason why stun is annoying, its essentially random if you survive

unless you would like to explain to me how rng=skill
knock yourself out

[gleaming tide]

EGG SKIN FOR THROWING KNIVES. THANKS @pearl kiln

[plush solstice]

Omg plz🔥😂

[blissful bridge]

Big Team Battle CONFIRMED /jk

[floral thorn]

And without the stun gun the light class is completely dead lmao. It's the only thing other than glitch nades that gives them any counterplay. If the enemy could ads it would be incredibly easy to kill a light while stunned

[daring fossil]

thats fcar which has a much better hipfire spread than akm

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD EMBARK MAKE THE BOUNCE PAD WORK IF I PUT IT DOWN UNDER MYSELF OR ANOTHER PLAYER.

[timid cipher]

Hello! Loving the game, appreciate your bringing it forth. I used to be part of a quality assurance team for K2Network on a game called WarRock. We were players hand selected by the QA lead at K2, and brand as "Test Monkeys".

Our role was to test out features, patches, hotfixes before they went live...idea being players who live and breathe the game day in and out have a keen eye and feel for the game state. We also served as ambassadors for the game, signing a NDA so content wasn't leaked.

It was largely successful and I think something like this for The Finals would be amazing considering how many moving parts there are. @pearl kiln

[crystal tide]

It seems like they want to make the revolver a close range killer, but it still will loose an encounter with an fcar or ak at close range more times than not, despite those weapons also being able to easily put range it. I believe that being able to fan the revolver at the hip to quickly fire at close range could help to make the revolver excel at what it’s meant to do, while also making it so it has its place as a close range weapon and isn’t overshadowed by the shotgun

[tight verge]

Another patch and still no love for the knife, sword or riot shield. Riotshield is easily the worst weapon in the game, sword is the best balance wise right now, really onkt needs so thing small like being able to hit multiple people each swing (no idea why that isn't just inthe game already) and knife... well oh boy knife is somthing. My full writeup is linked to this post, but it is the most finicky thing in this game. The biggest thing it needs imo is the right click to be instant with a delay afterwards instead of the charge up. That charge up animation just makes the knife play sluggish, when it should be the fastest in the game. In order to prevent animation cancel spamming of the right click, just make it so when the right click doesn't crut, it only hits for 25 damage or even zero. Higher risk isn't a band thing. Please read my whole writeup about this weapon I spent a lot of time on it!!

[stray marsh]

HELLO GAMERS I have a suggestion for keybinds on the controller. I play on pc but most of my friends use PlayStation and have told me the equipment wheel feels slow and clunky to use. I think the same “primary weapon, gadget 1, gadget 2, and gadget 3” keybinds should be able to be remapped to the D Pad on controller. That way they can be switched to faster and with only one button press? I know these buttons are used for emotes currently but that doesn’t seem as important or necessary since the emotes could be on a wheel instead. I believe this addition would be well received and a useful change.

[queen temple]

AYOOO these devs are the best!!! Pushin out weekly updates!! I love it 😻

[jagged ocean]

Imo the body shapes dont really differ, i dont mean judgemental but more personal preference, playing as a flatgirl without choice isnt really fun specialy when a lotta cosmetics look the same with both body shapes. Not being judgemental but preference, reason like more body shapes or a way more in dept-character customization would fit the "make ur own character", like the sims 4 or etc

[nocturne flare]

Text chat when?

[final shore]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-discord-mod-moderator-moderation-clash-of-clans-gif-24080525

[quick coyote]

play heavy 💪

[tough kiln]

Riot shield is definitely not the worst weapon in the game. It's highly reliant on positioning and team coordination. If you run it solo without a team to protect your flanks it will feel like the worst weapon. But if you understand its niche uses where it excels then it's actually pretty solid. Could it use some buff? Probably. At least some kind of movement or shield bash ability IMO. But is it absolute garbage with no use? Definitely not. I have two friends who use it regularly and do very well with it. They just don't run it if they don't have at least one teammate who will complement the play style.

[wispy sonnet]

The revolver damage fall off is way too much. I’m glad the bullet dispersion was decreased but the damage fall off is just too much making it feel super weak in many fights. It doesn’t need to be a sniper but it doesn’t need to have the range of a shotgun either.

[shell lotus]

I really don’t get why some of yall are against mnk support on console, WHEN PC CAN LITERALLY SWITCH FROM CONTROLLER TO MNK, quit gate keep mnk support, yall are the goofiest set of people around, freedom of input should be allowed like yall pc players can have, we just want fair grounds of choice, I can’t even play with my pc friend cuz the AA has been nerfed to the dang ground and I can’t compete with mnk, ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSOLE ITS NOT HARD

[gleaming marsh]

remove the light class entirely pls cuz with the changes you guys are making might as well make it not a class. keep buffing heavy and medium sure that wont kill the game 🤡

[rancid kelp]

BRO THIS GAME IS SO BUGGY IM IN a ranked lobby with 6 teams theres no hitmarkers or crosshairs and its funny afff but fked

[lapis crystal]

Keep buffing heavy and medium

Every game is Lights - at least 9, medium 3 and Heavy between 1-3, usually 1 heavy

[gaunt thunder]

Heavy and medium are the best classes
Recon is to strong
Nukes are free kills
Flamethrower needs no aim and makes a lot of damage

High elo lobby’s are always MMH-MMM

[paper stream]

we one the road to 10k players on steam, lets go baby!

[foggy ginkgo]

Yall just buffing anything huh

[sage bison]

High elo is mmm or mmh. Very boring 😴

[wide aspen]

Another patch that does zero to make light viable in competitive ranked tournament. Cool beans.

[wary tapir]

just got that bug, verry funny but too chaotic

[glad delta]

same with lh1

[vagrant raptor]

still no stungun nerf? can we rename it the glitch gun already. why does it disable literally everything on top of slowing and disabling aim?

[plush solstice]

There does need to be some light buffs for ranked. I swear I’m the only light in every ranked game I’ve played

[smoky gust]

@astral frost if that's the only viable light loadout it should be obvious that something is wrong and needs to be changed

@wise estuary all I ever heard is that lights are unviable for ranked and that the meta is MMH/MMM, if that is the case a buff should be in order (just that the cheese needs a nerf)

@sour bane again, not me, my teammate
he had about 1 second (at most) where he could have ads to shoot the light
even if he sucked, a lot of the time 1 second wont be enough to save you, especially when they were further away and the literal rng decides you don't get to survive that time

@manic aspen you can clown me all you want if you think that does anything, but it doesn't magically proof you right or provide factual evidence that I'm wrong

@floral thorn "And without the stun gun the light class is completely dead lmao"
as I said in the Important footnote, light should not be reliant on it to be useful
they should be fun and helpful on their own, rather than being relegated to cheesing 1v1's and occasionally using glitch nades

[nocturne flare]

Text chat when?

[floral thorn]

What about the other uses for the stun gun? Stopping people from stealing, making heavies drop nukes, making people drop the cashout box. It has so many more uses than a "cheese 1v1" in which they lose 50 percent of the time. Other parts of the kit need adjusted and buffed but the stun gun is fine where it is.

[shell lotus]

I really don’t get why some of yall are against mnk support on console, WHEN PC CAN LITERALLY SWITCH FROM CONTROLLER TO MNK, quit gate keep mnk support, yall are the goofiest set of people around, freedom of input should be allowed like yall pc players can have, we just want fair grounds of choice, I can’t even play with my pc friend cuz the AA has been nerfed to the dang ground and I can’t compete with mnk, ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSOLE ITS NOT HARD

[gaunt thunder]

They should add it but if you are playing mnk in console you should have automatically crossplay on

[quartz girder]

yep same thing happened to me lol it was crazy. our final round had 4 other blank teams and 2 cashout boxes at once it was lit. we won still but crazy different in a cool way but glitched out

[cloud jungle]

You're partly right. Matchmaking should just be input based regardless of platform.

[ebon elbow]

Pls mnk on console

[median path]

Just my daily exp post. Don’t mind me

[quick coyote]

don't know if it is a popular opinion or not but invisibility has no place in this game and should be removed (my opinion)

[daring fossil]

revolver has like the worst TTK and is out-gunned by pretty much everything unless you are hitting nothing but headshots at close range. I think it just needed its dispersion removed when ADSing (instead of reduced) and that would have been fine, they did not need to nerf the range further, it's already terrible at range.

@wispy sonnet agree, its a revolver though, it should be able to do damage at long range (and used to in beta when it wasn't mostly useless). However, I was mostly ok with the range before this nerf.

@stray marsh agree, I tried playing on my steam deck and it's extremely stupid that you have to hold a button down and move your stick to change weapons when the dpad is available and I dont care about emoting (I didn't see if I could change the controls either though). This also made it impossible to use the track pad with gyro because I constantly had to switch to the stick to switch weapons/utility.

[stray marsh]

I’m happy someone agrees with me. It’s not even a problem for me personally but I feel like it would just be a benefit for the game and keep more people playing. My friends love the game, but this small problem is enough to keep some of them from wanting to come back

[crystal tide]

I agree, I just think being able to fan the revolver would be cool

[candid path]

fr tho

[sour bane]

Y'all are killing it with the skins. Looking forward to more skins (like for the LH-1)

[noble carbon]

why kids have skill issue when it comes to recon

[quick coyote]

theres a setting to change your equipment wheel to a d-pad input bless up

[minor prairie]

Remove the dead go boom or at least give it a 3-5 second timer? that way melee isn't completely screwed and it can lead to some cool throw plays

[lapis crystal]

XP-54 has ttk of under a second(not in high elo games), so Light is viable class. Sniper is disgusting. High ELO doesn't matter, because the percentage of players there is 1.

Yes, because MMM you need to kill them 6 times over....
I was clowning on that guy to remove light, it's the most picked class actually

[quick coyote]

I need Team Deathmatch!!!

[glad delta]

I honestly feel like it needed to be decreased otherwise there's no reason for there to be an lh1 if you can just do the same thing for more damage. Maybe it needs to be adjusted in a different way but there's gonna be a lot of moving parts for a while.

[acoustic storm]

Is it just me, or did the gameplay (excluding crashes etc.) have less annoying bugs in the open beta?

[tidal wind]

can anyone help me fix this problem

[shell lotus]

ADD MNK SUPPORT ON CONSOLE!!!! Its not fair pc can use both inputs, FREEDOM OF CHOICE FOR ALL, it’s hard to compete with my pc friends in ranked, JUST LET ME PLUG IN MY MNK ,I will continue to preach this untill someone does something about it

[rancid kelp]

aint no way people complaining about invis yall need atleast 60 hours before u recommend changes

[clever surge]

So i played a couple of matches with new R.357 and its basically a secondary weapon now. GG. Well, its time to leave the game then. Had fun, ngl.

[gaunt thunder]

Light is still week and high elo matters cause it shows what’s the best in the games everything below plat are casuals that are randoms that aren’t good.

You don’t have to look what’s moust picked you have to look at kd/performance/win rate

[echo dawn]

Please penalize people who leave ranked game more because I just hade 3 games in a row that I hade to try and fight alone 1v3v3v3

[daring fossil]

yeah, i think next time I try on the steam deck I'm just going to use steam input and remap all the keys to keyboard keys so im not stuck with what the game lets me do. Also since I already use trackpad as mouse with gyro, the UI is constantly flickering between kb buttons and controller buttons and causes the mouse cursor to appear on screen sometimes.

@quick coyote as I mentioned in my comment, I didn't actually check to see if those things could be changed. but thanks. doesn't matter anyways, using trackpad as mouse breaks the controls and I need to use a different solution (see above)

@lapis crystal most picked class in casual* and usually is only effective when there's a whole team of lights because they just gang up on you. light shouldn't only be viable with stun gun in 1v1 or 3v1

[smoky gust]

"Stopping people from stealing, making heavies drop nukes, making people drop the cashout box"
those are all great use cases that I fully agree with

I take issue with the stun guns current use in combat
My suggestion on how to fix it doesn't change any of the other great aspects you mentioned, only combat (which it currently makes needlessly infuriating)

To clarify, the "cheese 1v1's" thing was about light itself
Lights often straight up loose and need the stun gun to have said 50/50 chance of winning

The stun gun is only "fine where it is" because light is bad
If light was balanced, the stun gun would be way too strong
I would love to see light be balanced by itself and have the stun gun be nerfed so its less annoying

[crimson ice]

new patch perma crashing UE5 error still from the release till now in game this game is not ready to be played if everything crashes all the time i reported this UE5 crash for at least 100 times what should i do ... someone help me PLEASE and don't tell me to to run the game as admin or something i NEED a fix for this ASAP!!!!

[stray marsh]

Wait this keybind setting exists already? I’ll have to double check with my friends. I hope you’re right. If not I hope it’s added quickly

[lapis acorn]

High elo used nukes and recon MMM before everyone in low elo experienced it and called for nerfs. You can’t ignore what the the top players say about the game as they have the most time on the game by far and the most encounters of weapons and equipment.

[quick coyote]

yeah its there on console at least. i should change to d-pad equipment soon but havent simply because my muscle memory is stubborn lol

additionally, has anyone found the setting that allows you to prioritize pickup over reload yet? ive searched and do not see it

[floral thorn]

Your suggestion was to let people ads while stunned if that was a thing as soon as someone gets stunned they could instantly do that 150 dmg they need to win if they were using a decent weapon .

If light was better stun still would not be op imo. With only 150 hp and most guns having accurate hipfire not being able to ads is mostly fine.

The only change that makes sense to me is a nerf to the range or duration but not something relating to the base idea of what is does.

@gleaming geyser they said they are changing it next week at the start of the patch notes

[gleaming geyser]

Turret nerf, but recon untouch?
How disconnected are these devs??

I see why a lot of people are quitting

[gleaming bough]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1080587127814881341/1105228799299289209/attachment.gif

[crystal tide]

I think they said they’re working on recon and it’ll be changed in some way next week

[shy rain]

you are naiv and toxic

[final shore]

https://tenor.com/view/next-week-gif-27555177

[nocturne flare]

Text chat when?

[sudden tangle]

Guys i just heard a rumor that embark will release a patch which will balance out all 3 classes and make MMM and HMM less oppressive. Seems to be coming out in 2025 when the game will have 132 active players! I can't wait 🤩

Guy below me: what fixes?
They didn't change anything apart from making L worse. Each patch introduced new bugs.

Never said the game was bad. I've been here since OB. But the devs are butchering the balance.

[fierce flume]

The joke here is that devs are lazy… but they are not? Weekly bug fixes are good, not lazy. Plus they change what we want. (Like recon and defib)

Guy above me. If you think the game is broken and everything sucks. Leave. You staying shows that the game is not as bad as you say. Also @twilit leaf they are dude

@twilit leaf splatoon fans have to wait 1 1/2 months

[twilit leaf]

remove recon @fierce flume why do i have to wait another week for them to remove this shitty ability

[lapis crystal]

High Elo matter? To whom? Why can't I ignore what they are doing? Because they can control the mouse with WASD program? Cheaters matter? Suuuuuure. Just like the Kings are the most important people in the country and not the people and mediavel knights killed dragons.

[idle totem]

A thing we don't talk enough is that it's super cool that skins work for the 3 class, they could have EASILY abused that class system but they didnt.

[daring fossil]

yeah, i just checked and its a preset

@quick coyote yeah its there, 5th option down under "Controller bindings" heading

@gleaming geyser @crystal tide they should have just removed it from the game until then.

@fierce flume kinda are though, constant over-nerfing, and nerfs to things that didn't need to be touched, and the laziest way to nerf things (just constant value changes) just piss people off. They appear extremely out of touch and many people lost faith in them weeks ago. I was super excited about this game when I first heard it was fronted by ex-dice devs who made my favourite battlefield games, but then after the rose-tint faded I remembered that BF3 and BF4 were saved and fixed by Dice LA post-launch. I still love this game and it has extreme promise, but the misguided devs aren't really helping it.

[shell lotus]

ADD MNK SUPPORT ON CONSOLE!!!! Its not fair pc can use both inputs, FREEDOM OF CHOICE FOR ALL, it’s hard to compete with my pc friends in ranked, JUST LET ME PLUG IN MY MNK ,I will continue to preach this untill someone does something about it @echo dawn why tell me a good reason why? I don’t get why yall pc players wanna gatekeep mnk for console players? Just add input matchmaking yall are goofy bro, yall genuinely piss me off with that type of stuff

[echo dawn]

Please don't

[thin lagoon]

Have they fixed the Mesh Shield FOV bug with the Heavy's yet?

[opaque patio]

well im not high elo and medium is like at a 70% pick rate so maybe that's indicative of a problem

[gleaming geyser]

My same sentiments,
We were pitching recon rework since before patch 1.5

And now they are just nerfing shits out, while the most problematic abilities still exist.. I'm tired of playing against MMM recon defib..
What's the point of running, parkouring, tumbling here and there, as a sword light, when this fckers just know when you will arrive??

But no I'm just naive and toxic anyway 🤷🥴
So what do i know? Right?

But kudos to them at least this time they are already aware and now addressing the recon issue.
What's another week for me, been stuck with this recon bs for months now since launch. 🤷

[glacial salmon]

I remember when one comment you had ago saying you never faced a medium recon user once yet

And here you are with a full on name change

--also nah i like the light class being a hit n run vietnam guerilla warfare class. I just wish they werent punished so hard for mistakes. As everyone said, give them faster hp regen.

[storm salmon]

Remove crossplay from ranked wtf is wrong with you embark? Also how do you manage to worsen the performance of the game so badly compared to launch its insane.

[neon rune]

revolver range nerf was unnecessary, otherwise good patch embark

[smoky gust]

people don't deal 150 damage instantly
(and even if it was as bad as in your great exaggeration) if they buff light alongside the stun gun nerf it would not be an issue

"most guns having accurate hipfire not being able to ads is mostly fine."
how is it fine?
your survival is outside of your control and rng dictated, there is no skill involved, its spray and pray
that is not fine

"The only change that makes sense to me is a nerf to the range or duration"
I have already explained to others why both of these factors do not contribute to its issue, please read my other texts for the explanation as to why that will do barely anything

"not something relating to the base idea of what is does"
who is to say the base idea is flawless?
if something is hurtful to the game, should we just keep it in for the sake of it, instead of focusing on the fun-value?
in videogames, items frequently get a complete makeover, often to the benefit of everyone and this is a case where it would be applicable (and were not even changing the whole thing, only 1 stat)

[quick coyote]

in game fps limiter doesnt work? keeps resetting to unlimited for some reason

[quick coyote]

dude, the patch notes say they are reworking recon in a week

[snow swan]

faster hp regen wouldnt hurt

[gaunt thunder]

Cause it’s not important what a bronze guy thinks what’s op cause it’s only op to them, but the high elo knows what’s good and what’s bad

[floral thorn]

I see why you say this but I still disagree. Especially because unless a light stuns you when you are in the open you can get behind cover. Fcar/AK ttk is less than a second with good aim on a light and I'd say is fairly instantly.

[daring fossil]

and honestly an extra 25hp probably wouldn't hurt as well, of course they would have to go back and re-adjust all the guns then, so that's probably never going to happen cuz any suggestions requiring more effort than simple value changes wont happen.

@neon rune well, I said I was gonna uninstall if they nerfed revolver damage (and a few others said they would also), so they nerfed the range more instead (range was already abysmal).

@quick coyote try deleting the Discovery folder in appdata/local (this will reset all settings and keybinds) then change your settings again. I had to do this in beta when controller binds would fuck up or things wouldn't stick.

[near prism]

Using the same specialization by all players in 1 team is trolling and uncounterable, double or triple recon sense, turret, dome shield or any other specialization is OP and boring to play against, finally, your game is really fun and has huge potential but I think it’s dying slowly cuz of late updates, you have to put more effort and keep fix the problem as fast as you can to save this amazing game

[lapis crystal]

this is false information, I think the devs are seeing the picks and it's not medium 70%.
Can you stop being such cry babies? Light is not that useless pick you think, you are the useless pick and that's on you!
You can't play it and you are bad at the game. You also can't defend with APS turret against Heavy or just shield your self.

You are the bad players, that's all! Accept it, stop being in denial, that the devs have not balanced the game very good.
You are also the toxic community that can't accept getting it their way, as spoiled children.
The game is epic and very good and it's balanced in most off ways.

@gaunt thunder just like kings and queens know what's best for the peasents I guess? To be farmers. Or politicians to go to war, because it's best for you.

[blissful bridge]

Throwables: (This would make the NUKE! riskier to use and easier to counter without introducing another nerf to the C4 and Heavy Class.)
-Decreased Health
-Slightly Bigger Hitbox

Revolver:
-Roll back previous patch to it

Light Class:
-Faster Health Regen

---

QUALITY OF LIFE

Dead Go Boom - Trophies tick down 3sec-5sec with loud audio cue and are throwable by anyone.
Contestant Characters increased from 6 to 9
Ability to Invite Teammates into the Practice Range

Team Loadouts viewable by button press in scoreboard menu
Enemy Specializations viewable in scoreboard menu
Enemy Class viewable in scoreboard while they are dead

[echo dawn]

I am going to bring it up again. I can't see from just a little away who is stealing the cashout because the Icon of the cashout is blocking the whole view of the point. Please allow us to make it transparent or something because how can we defende when you can't see past the UI

[shell lotus]

I really don’t get why some of yall are against mnk support on console, WHEN PC CAN LITERALLY SWITCH FROM CONTROLLER TO MNK, quit gate keeping mnk support and it be the pc players who do it, don’t be goofy, freedom of input should be allowed like yall pc players can have, we just want fair grounds of choice, I can’t even play with my pc friend cuz the AA has been nerfed to the dang ground and I can’t compete with mnk, ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSOLE ITS NOT HARD, GIVE ME ONE GOOD REASON WHY IT SHOULDNT BE ADDED instead of just saying no cuz it will only make the game fair, cuz i play with my pc friends (I can’t just buy a pc so don’t say that:/)Just as input based matchmaking, we should honestly be passed this

[crystal tide]

Not about recon but I think they could do something about the team colors to make it easier to tell between them, some of the oranges and pinks can be hard to tell apart during a fight

[gleaming geyser]

I'm not using dagger but you have to be precise when using dagger unlike with sword.. (more consistent with sword)

If you know akiba step, it should just be the same thing. System needs you to be recognized in the back of the enemy before the damage procs, that way you will always get the backstab damage.
If you have poor connection or latency or ping this causes dagger to not proc backstab, since the enemy more likely move already.

Conclusion: i dont think its bug, its just dagger are inconsistent due to its mechanic right now

[opaque patio]

i was talking from my experience and that's about the pick rate in my games. i also dont play light so idk what you're talking about are you just gonna ignore the ridiculous pick rate of medium and how the loadouts are always the same or what

[wide aspen]

Pssst… news flash. There is no ELO in this game. Ranked is simply a games played indicator.

[quartz girder]

more like tournaments won indicator

[tepid violet]

That’s not true. Light is supposed to flank other teams…it’s completely useless when a guy with Wallhacks pre aiming on you. You’re 150 health getting laserbeamed into heaven

[toxic saffron]

I couldn't connect to a ranked game and kept trying to rejoin. Eventually I wa able to rejoin, and I had 5 respawn tokens in the first round. Was an ez win 😎 but a bug

[smoky gust]

you cannot move, that also means you cannot get to cover
the only exception to that would maybe be other lights, which die even quicker if slowed down at all, so that's not well grounded argument

here is a spreadsheet of lights ttk against medium:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17oI_V64feUYkiHrT5YGFE6kNGTCvfNaNiUiwrk9IITc/edit#gid=655924873
everything but the throwing knifes, sword and the sniper rifle have a ttk of 1s or less

even if 1 second was as instant as you think, light also only takes 1s to kill a medium (and that's is ignoring the fact that the medium has to notice and turn around first, which gives the light even more time as well as light having an easier time with aim)

your current arguments are indefensible

[fierce flume]

Most players dont know what they are saying. Devs should barely listen to them. @smoky gust is living proof of that

[paper spade]

HELP IM GETTING UNREAL ENGINE CRASH

[quick coyote]

can confirm, this happened to me too. for some reason, when this does occur—you are given a level 1 account loadout with none of your skins on.

regarding the current light discussion, you have to look at macro gameplay too. while stungun is pretty much a confirmed kill (especially with rpg nerf), one kill is meaningless in a team fight. the class is balanced

[lapis crystal]

of course I am going to ignore it, as long as I have fun and rack up 30-50 kills per tournament and 20-30 kills per quick game with Light, I don't care.
@tepid violet well that is something I can't argue with. Recon Senses is too OP. Although I just rush people like these.
However Recon Senses and WASD app is what "high elo" uses. Basiscally cheaters and taking advantage of the game.
Still, if you are playing bad, you are playing bad. Go play MW if you want to have the same HP as anyone.
@smoky gust I complete agree that Light is OP with the movement and high TTK. He can 2v1 a heavy and a Medium pretty easily.
Light can also teamwipe in the correct hands. I actually Killed 1 team twice with mediums because they were focused on healing and reviving instead of shooting back.
People need to understand to play Medium and Heavy before they play light. IF t hey master both of the other classes, Light is an unstoppable killing machine. I just had a match where I was 20 kills and only 1 death.
(I am platinum 4 btw)

[floral thorn]

Please tell me you are joking about light being op... there is a reason why 80% of top 500 are med/heavies.

[gaunt thunder]

People that aren’t good cry’s over thinks that are absolutely balanced or even bad so why hear to them if they want to buff good things that are already meta and nerf bad things

[neon rune]

Give dash a stamina bar above the hotbar or below the crosshair so we can actually tell how many dashes we have left in a fight. Can't tell you how many times I've died because I've positioned myself as if i have a dash charged when i don't. It's incredibly hard to read the tiny number at the bottom right in the middle of a fight

[drifting pawn]

does anyone know how exactly weapon/gadget xp works? ive seen rounds where i get 0xp on my FCAR and yet i got like 10 kills.

and eh. lights are fine as they are. you don't see them in ranked because the players that love playing light and fucking running off on their own arent playing ranked. ranked (and unranked) tournaments are team based modes and the majority of light players just simply arent playing the game that way.

[daring fossil]

the reduction of spread from revolver was greatly needed, but they should have just removed it entirely (while ADS). The range however should be reverted.

@crystal tide do you use color blind settings? I used to but switched back to default, pretty sure they adjusted this already and I don't have trouble distinguishing team colors on default anymore.

@gleaming geyser most of the issue with backstab is related to the terrible interpolation, 90% of the time it the player has turned enough to not count the backstab, even though their character model has not rotated on your client. I have a video clip of a fight where I ran past the dude and am shooting him in the back and he's facing away from me for the entire fight and killed me.
https://youtu.be/maj1gScmuyg

[opaque patio]

youdo not need a source to see how low lights pick rate is lmfao and if ur gonna ignore pick rate in ranked when talking about balancing then maybe u shouldn't talk about it at all

[dense pecan]

is there a bug chat?

[hard wasp]

I rarely see any lights in my ranked games and I am plat 2. Even the diamond 1 teams I see do not use them, very rarely you see a god player who is probably abusing rewasd or is just good in general.
At max I see one Light per lobby. Worst class in the game by far.

[blissful bridge]

Oops fixing now, that's what I meant. Thank you!

---

Throwables: (This would make the NUKE! riskier to use and easier to counter without introducing another nerf to the C4 and Heavy Class.)
-Decreased Health
-Slightly Bigger Hitbox

Revolver:
-Revert range nerf from 1.5.5 patch

---

QUALITY OF LIFE

Dead Go Boom - Trophies tick down 5 secs with loud audio cue and are throwable by anyone.
Contestant Characters increased from 6 to 9
Ability to Invite Teammates into the Practice Range

Team Loadouts viewable by button press in scoreboard menu
Enemy Specializations viewable in scoreboard menu
Enemy Class viewable in scoreboard while they are dead

[gleaming geyser]

Holy moly, i thought it was just my connection, since I'm in a 3rd world country. (Got use to it by now)
This happens to me as well, and just thought, welp that whats your poor internet connection can be..
Didn't know this thing exist though, thanks for clarifying for us👍

@wild dune
Its a shotgun now, exept you have to aim it in the head..

Devs so out of touch with the game 😓🥲

[wild dune]

Revert Revolver range nerf, in fact it should have more range wtf… it only has 6 bullets

[edgy ivy]

match making should've been improved but I feel it's gotten a lot harder? been getting my ass kicked for rounds in a row

[lament talon]

With MnK you should only be able to play crossplay not console only since that would be unfair

[glass fjord]

Just wanted to say good job on the shop this week, I've kind of bitched about the shop since launch but this is a step in the right direction. 1 outfit, 1 gun skin, 1 unique weapon skin, and a basic item is a good amount of assets to release. New price on legendary sets is much better. No (obvious) AI assets. 👏

[smoky gust]

I'm literally providing video- and statistical-proof to back up my points, what are you on about?

[crystal tide]

Btw you can still do the weapon swap trick with the riot shield to attack really fast

[stray rampart]

Add T shirts with "skill issue" written on it

[shell lotus]

First off console will be a mix of mnk and controller just like any other mnk supported game just like how pc is the same, it wouldn’t make it unfair cuz everyone has freedom to choose, it’s only unfair when you wanna play with your pc friends and you can’t compete cuz the aa nerf is goes crazy, it would not be unfair for console to add mnk at all it doesn’t make since when yall say that Cod Fortnite warframe ect has this enable and no one complains ab that. I really don’t get why some of yall are against mnk support on console, WHEN PC CAN LITERALLY SWITCH FROM CONTROLLER TO MNK, quit gate keeping mnk support and it be the pc players who do it, don’t be goofy, freedom of input should be allowed like yall pc players can have, we just want fair grounds of choice, I can’t even play with my pc friend cuz the AA has been nerfed to the dang ground and I can’t compete with mnk, ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSOLE ITS NOT HARD, GIVE ME ONE GOOD REASON WHY IT SHOULDNT BE ADDED instead of just saying no cuz it will only make the game fair, cuz i play with my pc friends (I can’t just buy a pc so don’t say that:/)Just as input based matchmaking, we should honestly be passed this

[royal flume]

Matchmaking seems the same to me. I’m gold 2 and still getting placed with bronze players when solo queueing

[thin lagoon]

Did old school FPS games like Golden Eye on N64 have Aim Assist?

[woeful perch]

I doubt it

[past bloom]

Not sure why the revolver got a range nerf it was already complete shit at range.

If anything the fcar should've gotten a range nerf.

[daring fossil]

I had 300 hours in this game before it released (alpha and 3 betas). I only played light. In the last 2 weeks, I have played more medium than light because it's simply not fun getting 2 kills to every 10 deaths and im not aggressive at all and I don't use the cheese builds, and I try to fight from height or flanks while enemies are distracted, it just doesn't matter you just get beamed. I have stun in my loadout (since smoke grenades are useless and you just get beamed through them) and 90% of the time I only use it to stop a steal or zap a player im chasing.

@thin lagoon nope, we just got good at aiming on that terrible ass controller. (granted gameplay was much slower). But me and my friends also played the shit out of Turok Rage wars which was a quake 2-like arena shooter and was much faster, and we still hit shots with the rail gun.

I wish devs would just go back to the old style of aim assist, where your aim is slowed down when your crosshair was near/over a target. Controllers these days have way better joysticks and are much more precise, yet controller players constantly get really strong aim assist instead of learning to aim. (although I will say aim assist is completely useless/broken right now, I tried playing on steam deck the other day and couldn't hit shit)

[lapis crystal]

@floral thorn I am not kidding, Light is OP in the right hands.
@gaunt thunder Light got a huge buff with his SMG... 0 recoil pattern.
@neon rune just count the dashes

Again a game 7 kills, 5 assist, 1 death, 7 revives as a Light. I dunno how you are playing guys the Light class, but if you complain about it, I am sorry, you are just bad.

[ebon elbow]

Especially as the game is kinda dying we’re gunna need to have cross play on all the time and playing with kbm will be the only way to play without a disadvantage

[plush solstice]

Just to resend this. PLZ add a custom games option. Let us choose map/varient/time/game mode/etc. PLZ

[noble carbon]

player damage increased from 140 to 150 or 145 for rpg

[neon rune]

Yeah sure, and i count the dashes successfully most of the time, but it wouldn't really be much of a buff, just a QOL change, so i don't see why not

[soft wedge]

You don't respect us..... there are 4 white skins for the XP-54 weapon 🤦‍♂️😡

[jagged ocean]

Y'all could add simple modes like "deathmatch", to keep it simple for a lotta people and viable, yet also have stil a focus on the current gamemodes, more new modes would fr bring back the interest ^^

[compact fog]

backstabs on dagger are still not showing crit hitmarkers

heres what ill do ill type out some long paragraph for no reason but to make it seem like a vitally important thing that needs to be fixed. The back stab crit marker is VERY IMORTANT to the function of the dagger, when the main function of the dagger is to 1 hit someone, or 2 tap a heavy, the lack of a crit marker makes the job much harder. Seeing and hearing the crit indicators make it so that I know that i have done the damage, especially on heavies because it is vital that I know when I have acutally done the damage. There has been several times where I have died because I did not know that I missed the backstab (hit reg is awful too but thats another thing) and it has not ended too well for me.

[flint falcon]

The four white skins one is poly one is anime one is random and the final one is grey

[blissful bridge]

I would like to see more interactions with maps.
-Map Altering Destruction Points (i.e. Skyway Bridge)
-Overgrown Areas for Fire Destruction / Shortcuts Accessible with Fire
-Indestructible Doors / Control Areas (i.e. Turret and Walls in Las Vegas, Raised Bridges in Seoul)
-More Casual Interactions (i.e. Jackpots for example)
-Extreme Weather (Tornados, Earthquakes, etc.)

---

Mode Rule Variations: There are map variations and it would be cool to see rule variations in casual modes.

QUICK-CASH
"Over-Time Rule"
During this match the timer will stop while the Cashout is being stolen.

"Cashbox Money Loss"
During this match the Cashbox will lose value the longer it stays in the field.

BANK-IT / SOLO BANK-IT
"Vanishing Coins"
During this match dropped Coins will disappear after 5-15 seconds

"No Vaults"
During this match Coins will only drop from eliminated Contestants.

[lament talon]

Imagine no AA in console only lobbies.
Playing MnK in there would give you an unfair advantage since MnK is superior to controller in any way shape or form.
And yes then the consoles can also play keyboard but they would be forced to do so unless they want to die over and over again.

Anyways I don't care about console so I respect your opinion

[daring fossil]

you're stunning every single one of your kills and probably using the MP5 or M11 I bet. which is fine, but we shouldn't have to rely on the strongest loadout to be viable or have fun. my PB with light is 28 kills (grapple, LH1, grenades, breach charge and smokes), I don't come anywhere near that now with the current MMM/MMH meta or all lights running stun and mp5 and I replaced smokes with stun gun.

@compact fog its because they removed crit markers based on damage, and changed them to be based on headshots. which is fine, but should still be a thing on melee weapons.

[spiral merlin]

YES

[flint badge]

No Vaults is just Bank it, no?

[pine needle]

Can we get a "Beyond Epic" setting for Lumen Raytracing which uses the Hit Lighting for Reflections type of light calculation instead of Surface Cache? It's a tad more heavy on the GPU but the light updates are near instant, and tiny lights are not neglected.

[shell lotus]

Hey it’s probably hard for you to understand but it’s okay, adding mnk support needs to be an option, controller and mnk should not be in the same lobbies but the game is cross platform, which mean I can play with my pc friends so I should be able to plug in my mnk to compete, and if I’m using mnk I should be put in mnk lobbies, if I’m using controller I should be put in those lobbies, freedom of choice is a must if a game is cross plat, matchmaking should be better

[livid oasis]

Nerf the turrets please

[noble carbon]

i can get behind most of these indestructible walls and turret is just cancer to ask for. no vaults is just another bank it mode. id actually love to see tornadoes or earthquakes in the game maybe even a fire tornado if possible as well as a skyscraper that we can topple onto the map in whatever map they release next

[quick coyote]

Can we just get rid of Las Vegas

[crystal tide]

They should do this but In real life

[soft gorge]

That is what we want as well, input based matchmaking

[cerulean skiff]

Thermal vision feels like a natural pairing to smoke grenade but is very clunky

You have to select it, turn it on, then unselect and hope you didn't accidently double click because in that case you would've immediately turned it off and are now met with a cooldown. You also cannot see gas or shields with it turned on.

It needs to be a quick toggle. Selecting the gadget should immediately turn it on. And you should be able to see gas and Shields. I know it's thermal vision, but being unable to see those 2 is weird in this game.

[tardy dawn]

nukes are joke

[torpid plinth]

Heres an essay on all the balance changes i think light needs, if you agree please repost it at a later time to get dev's attention

[thin lagoon]

Can we say Embark has taken the Full Use out of the Unreal Engine 5 that runs The Finals?

[south knot]

Grammar is joke

[bleak coral]

it feels like the revolver now has the same range as the 1887 lol... at least the bullets i aim on target hit the target tho

[nocturne flare]

Text chat when?

[blissful bridge]

I mean these as ideas for new maps mostly, and more along the lines of triggerable traps / shortcuts / doors, etc.
I was using the turret and walls from Las Vegas as an example.

@flint badge No vaults means that players cannot open vaults to gather coins during the match, and instead have to obtain coins only through eliminations.

@cerulean skiff I agree, Thermal most certainly needs to be made togglable with Gas and Shields being made visible while using the ability.

[fierce flume]

You arent hitting every shot irl

[pine needle]

Almost, Lumen has one more setting that was underutilised, it uses surface cache instead of HLFR. Fortnite for eg. uses HLFR and Satisfactory.

[dark night]

add decimal sens slider for more precise tuning, add more than 100% ads slider, make potato mode for more fps ty embark ily

[daring fossil]

yep, they almost had the right idea by reducing spread but then ruined it by making it even more shit at closer ranges.

@torpid plinth I agree with most of this, faster regen timer and faster regen. I also agree that lights should have a movement buff, but on top of slightly faster speed, they should be able to jump slightly higher letting them clear mounts faster than other players and perhaps less slide friction or sliding is actually faster than running (how it used to be in alpha/CB1). I disagree that grapple needs 2 charges though. I have probably 400 hours playing light with grapple (its the only specialization I use) and all it needs is its cooldown reduced by 3-5 seconds (5 might be too much though, but 3 minimum)

@thin lagoon no, game started dev on UE4 and doesn't use most of the advanced features of UE5 like nanite.

@proper shore might as well since we're fucking useless currently

[left jetty]

Squeaky wheel here just to remind someone at Embark to please add more customization to the crosshair. Thanks, I'll be here again soon to remind you. I won't let you down!

[proper shore]

Lights should be deleted 👍

[half swallow]

@rare spear please your team should address us on the reasons for taking out the Keyboard and Mouse support on consoles. If there will be a possible return of it too let us know so we can stop ranting about its return day in and day out. (May be your team is working on it to be implemented very well, let us know). We the players are the reason why the game is alive so accord us the respect and we will also reciprocate.

[quick coyote]

Embark, Could you spare some aim assist to a poor console peasant?

[tacit prawn]

on Xbox*

[grizzled wyvern]

Pls embark. Also more turret nerf. I don’t wanna battle a team of 5

[humble mountain]

Can we get a nerf on flamethrower and turret you get wiped in 2 seconds with both its so anoying

[queen cloud]

skill issue

[smoky gust]

that goes both way though, it applies to the light just as much as the medium, it balances out

and why does that mean I wouldn't know what I'm talking about?

[hoary bay]

Just got a bugged Lobby with 8 teams

[livid oasis]

To the guy that keeps saying no to turret nerfs give me a reason fr

[flat shale]

Again #mods don't ban me like always I just want to say thank yall for the people who are helping me spread out the word of the finals removed k and m from console and they shouldn't remove features like RL did they should add ones so thank yall for spreading out the word and I even made a song about the finals removing k and m from console heres the song https://clipchamp.com/watch/GrKWomuKTRx

[shell lotus]

@aaexl#0000 ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSLE, adding mnk support needs to be an option, controller and mnk should not be in the same lobbies but the game is cross platform, which mean I can play with my pc friends so I should be able to plug in my mnk to compete, and if I’m using mnk I should be put in mnk lobbies, if I’m using controller I should be put in those lobbies, freedom of choice is a must if a game is cross plat, matchmaking should be better

[waxen granite]

Remove recon

[quick coyote]

is the CL-40 damage increase only for self damage, or all player damage??

[uneven vine]

gamers i have a suggestion, if recon was removed from mediums cause everyone and their nan hates it, it should be replaced with thermal vision, thermal vision would function as a specialisation that allows the user to see heat signatures from enemy players, and maybe enemy turrets a small amount idk. it would be useful for tracking enemy players in bushes and such, without being full wall hacks

[wary hazel]

you know what i love? not being able to see my ping

[daring fossil]

turret just got a nerf, and I dont even think it needed one (except it's hitbox needs to be solid and not have a giant hole in the middle of it) and flame thrower literally has the worst TTK of all heavy weapons.

@uneven vine I would rather have that as a push-to-toggle replacing recon, instead of just straight up removing recon. Also thermal vision in its current state is under-utilized because you have to switch to it and then enable it.

[rancid spear]

Add mnk back to console but put the mnk console players with pc players

[fierce flume]

wow no one thought of that before/s

[opaque patio]

i don't think thermal vision would be able to compete with heal beam or turret maybe if med had smoke grenades

[normal arch]

Why did they nerf revolver? It wasn’t even good before.

[plucky torrent]

Lots of crashes when tabbing out the game. please fix

[cerulean skiff]

The faster health regen I could see working well. Having it both start and be faster though feels like a lot. More speed also idk about.

Grapple definitely could use a look at. Unsure on dash still.

Why didn't you talk about the gadgets though? I think 1 of the biggest issues is the lack of utility light brings. Buffing the support/utility options that light has would be a long way.

[blissful flame]

i think they typed "player damage" to distinguish it from stuctural damage. so yes its damage to enemies as well as yourself

[harsh trail]

day 2️⃣9️⃣ of asking for a throwing knives overhaul to increase their viability

THANK YOU EMBARK FOR IMPLEMENTING ONE OF THE REQUESTED CHANGES, BUT WE STILL HAVE MORE WORK TO DO..

the throwing knives deal great damage but the problem comes from the clunkiness of the projectiles and the inconsistency of their behavior.

some things that could be done to resolve this issue:

🔪 slightly reduce projectile drop off
🔪 slightly increase projectile speed
🔪 allow right click to be held
🔪 tweak animations to feel more impactful, they feel very weak. almost as if you're throwing spoons 🥄

please show some love to this weapon embark! see you all on day 30!

[blissful bridge]

Throwables: (This would make the NUKE! riskier to use and easier to counter without introducing another nerf to the C4 and Heavy Class.)
-Decreased Health
-Slightly Bigger Hitbox

Revolver:
-Revert Range Nerf from 1.5.5 Patch

Light Class:
-Faster Regen Time

Grapple and Evasive Dash:
-Reduce Cooldown Time

Thermal Vision:
-Changed to Togglable (Quick Use / No Device)

@livid oasis
I'm saying no to turret nerfs because the problem right now is recon, and the constant nerfing of abilities will make the game less fun overall.
The turret already has several counters that work amazingly well such as Glitch Grenade, Goo Gun/Grenade/Barrel, Dome/Wall Shields, and Barricades.
There's better ways to balance the game besides nerfing, an example would be increasing the Glitch Grenade's AOE.
I would like to add that I'm not against making the hitbox very slightly larger on the turret.

[upper moon]

First you fix aim assist, then you release the cringe patch and don't fix the nuke. Now your game has 3000 online on Twitch. 70% of online players are from gamepads and you lock AA to this crap (it doesn’t work up to 20 meters). People are waiting for some changes, but all you do is take away 30hp from the turret (hahaha seriously????). There are still no closed lobbies and normal ranking. All players worthy of pro status don't even play anymore, your game is dead, good luck

don't send me reactions, your game has 30k online and 0 pro players play this, if you don't agree with me, think about it

[gaunt thunder]

You are flexing 7 kills? Light is still bad look high elo that’s what’s good and what’s bad

You are probably silver or gold btw

[shell lotus]

@fierce flume Ofc we are gonna sound like a broken record saying it over and over till it’s added , there’s people out there who say it should be added and they are wrong (mostly gatekeeping pc players for whatever reason)
@rare spear ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSLE, adding mnk support needs to be an option, controller and mnk should not be in the same lobbies but the game is cross platform, which mean I can play with my pc friends so I should be able to plug in my mnk to compete, and if I’m using mnk I should be put in mnk lobbies, if I’m using controller I should be put in those lobbies, freedom of choice is a must if a game is cross plat, matchmaking should be better

[torpid plinth]

its just not done, there was supposed to be a whole 3 more sections i havent written yet, i went over what i believed was most important first though
@upper moon the game has no pro players because it hasnt even been out long enough for people to become pro players, think about it

[quick coyote]

How would everyone feel about being able to change your primary weapon in ranked tournament by using a respawn coin during the team wipe screen?

I find that it would make the final round very interesting, as teams who played well in previous rounds would be rewarded in counter-play.

throw some reactions down

[rancid spear]

@rare spear ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSLE, adding support needs to be an option, controller and mnk should not be in the same lobbies but the game is cross platform, which mean I can play with my pc friends so I should be able to plug in my mnk to compete, and if I’m using mnk I should be put in mnk lobbies, if I’m using controller I should be put in those lobbies, freedom of choice is a must if a game is cross plat, matchmaking should be better

[lapis crystal]

I am stunning only if they are stealing the cashout, I rarely use my stun gun for kills...
@gaunt thunder I am platinum btw. And yeah per match 7 kills is good. Best I have done is 21. That wasn't for a flex, that's average my mate ;). Not every game can be 15+ kills. If you can do that every game I would love to see it. But overall you missed 1 death, not that I made kills

[daring fossil]

Friendly reminder than main menu UI with contestants/equipment is shit and I have proposed a fix for it. I actually went out of my way to use the same fonts and make everything look in-game. (I am not an artist or UI designer)

UI Fix suggestion. Contestant and Equipment options merged into Loadout. You pick your contestant as you would now. On the loadout tab, you ONLY pick loadout, no customization. There is a new Equipment button on the contestant screen, you equip skins, etc everything from here.

[wary hazel]

add a kill cam? that's an absolute nobrainer. makes it harder for cheaters to hide their cheats.

[nocturne flare]

Text chat when?

[neat siren]

I think AA bugged might just be only a thing for consoles since I don't ever experienced it on pc.

p.s. please add auto-sprint and killcam

[plain palm]

strong agree

[soft gorge]

We shouldn't stop asking until they add, it is a feature that should have been there since launch. I can't understand why they ignore this issue.

[eager kernel]

There should be input matchmaking so everyone that wants to play keyboard and mouse on console will queue with others on kbm. Same for pc players that play on controller input it should be against others on controller.

[quick coyote]

Let us turn off TAA

[blissful bridge]

They should make everyone start with 3,000VR and changing equipment costs 500VR. (Tournament Idea)
This could be another mode or a rule variation if they add those to the game.

REPOST

Throwables: (This would make the NUKE! riskier to use and easier to counter without introducing another nerf to the C4 and Heavy Class.)
-Decreased Health
-Slightly Bigger Hitbox

Revolver:
-Revert Range Nerf from 1.5.5 Patch

Light Class:
-Faster Regen Time

Grapple and Evasive Dash:
-Reduce Cooldown Time

Thermal Vision:
-Changed to Togglable (Quick Use / No Device)

[frail prawn]

Im glad there's no "Pro players" playing this game, games that are attractive to those kind of players are the most boring games I have ever played, overbalanced with community's that become angry when a weapon has 0.001 more dps than another or because a player spawns 0.01m closer to a certain point than the other players, listening to Pro players always endup with boring games that are only played by "pro players"

@torpid plinth I think he means by famous players, some of them did tested the game but didnt keep playing them cuz its not an fair eSports (which im glad of)

There's a difference between a balanced game and an eSport balance level game (overbalanced in most cases)

[fallen copper]

make aps turret not destroy projectiles through walls

[left jetty]

Please give us more customization on the crosshair ingame.

Also maybe just make recon like the recon grenade. You get three charges on Q to send a pulse out that briefly shows their last positions instead of it being a realtime wallhack, with a recharge timer like the skills from other classes.

But more importantly, better crosshair stuff lmao. Otherwise I'm just gonna stick with my monitor crosshair.

[ebon elbow]

Add mnk support to consoles

[shell lotus]

ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSLE, adding mnk support needs to be an option, controller and mnk should not be in the same lobbies but the game is cross platform, which mean I can play with my pc friends so I should be able to plug in my mnk to compete, and if I’m using mnk I should be put in mnk lobbies, if I’m using controller I should be put in those lobbies, freedom of choice is a must if a game is cross plat, matchmaking should be better, QUIT GATEKEEPING MNK PC PLAYERS

[sudden marlin]

aim assist is working perfectly fine on pc

[gaunt thunder]

You can have good rounds with lights but it’s still weaker then medium and heavy, in ranked if you are playing light you are throwing

That’s why light needs buff and medium needs recon nerfed
And heavy needs nukes and flamethrower nerfed

[spare jacinth]

@stoic forum Could there be a UI change to see if friends are in game or in lobby?

[feral canopy]

thermal vision for light should just be a specialisation if you ask me. On a separate note, Recon sense should be changed to an outward scan rather than the ability to see people on the map wherever instantaneously, similar to a bloodhound scan from apex

[charred peak]

solo is very good

[brave plover]

please fix m11 and xp-54 !!! theres something buggy with the damage and hit regestration ... unplayable atm, not the same since 1.5.0

[glass fjord]

Main menu ui could do with a big rework for clarity and removing redundancy..... i did the same thing as you in the betas and they went the exact opposite direction.

[blissful bridge]

I disagree with nerfing flamethrowers. We finally got it buffed and it's viable again.
We'll see how the recon nerf effects Ranked the next two weeks.
Light needs a buff and nerfing another class isn't the way to achieve total balance.
Let's advocate for buffs and not nerfs. There's better ways to balance nukes and lights.
(Lights need more teamplay gadgets (i.e. team-use health stim/grenade)

Throwables: (This would make the NUKE! riskier to use and easier to counter without introducing another nerf to the C4 and Heavy Class.)
-Decreased Health
-Slightly Bigger Hitbox

Light Class:
-Faster Regen Time

Grapple and Evasive Dash:
-Reduce Cooldown Time

Thermal Vision:
-Changed to Togglable (Quick Use / No Device)

Glitch Grenade:
-Detonation on Impact with Shields, Equipment, and Players. (no contact equals normal countdown detonation)
-Slightly larger AOE

[glad delta]

please nerf grenade launchers it feels so bad to be 2 shot with something you don't have to hit directly with

[nocturne flare]

Text chat when?

[shell lotus]

ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSLE, adding mnk support needs to be an option, controller and mnk should not be in the same lobbies but the game is cross platform, which mean I can play with my pc friends so I should be able to plug in my mnk to compete, and if I’m using mnk I should be put in mnk lobbies, if I’m using controller I should be put in those lobbies, freedom of choice is a must if a game is cross plat, matchmaking should be better, US CONSLE PLAYERS WILL BE HEARD AB THIS ISSUE, at least give us some reason as to why it’s not In the game

[forest veldt]

Still no lollipop skin for sledgehammer. 0/10 update try again next week :< lmao

@daring fossil im definitely feeling the floral button up they added today. Sick shirt.

[daring fossil]

im still waiting for the black skirt with thigh-high socks from the halloween update. I'm actually going to rage if I have to wait until next halloween for it. most of the costmetics (not a typo) in this game are shit. I'm currently using mostly CB rewards.

Also want the not-lego LH1 skin.

[boreal wagon]

You say that like if recon fcar defib isnt the most overused and abused kit in the game. This games valance is fkn horrible and its unbelievable to me it took them a month to only address that recon is op with who knows how much longer for it to be actually reworked. If embark was smart they'd shelf it or hard nerf it until its reworked.

This game is already on a steep decline because no one wants to play some non competitive unrewarding rng mess. Embark came out with one of the most creative shooters in the decade and completely fell short on the momentum with horrible match making issues every week, terrible or meaningless patches, arguably some of the worst balance ive ever seen in a fps. This game is en route to being dead or incredibly niche like titanfall was. Oh well, what an unlucky tragedy the finals is 🤷‍♂️

[ebon elbow]

Mnk on consoles

[real marlin]

Mmr got worse after updates, beforehand got with gold teammates as gold now I'm wit bronze 6 game in row fix the game or revert it

[livid oasis]

U have a point considering they nerfed heavy RPG because getting one shot with the rocket launcher was THAAAAT bad but getting 2 shot by a grenade launcher is somehow better even if it’s nowhere near close to hitting
@orchid island do lights have an APS???
@orchid island you shouldn’t have to play in a team to counter something though not everyone has people to play with I’m just saying that the grenade launcher has 4 bullets heavy only had one with the rocket and the cooldown was long this is an actual weapon which can be reloaded indefinitely it should not deal as much damage as it does. Whether the APS counters it or not most of the games I get into I never have a medium on my team and that makes me vulnerable since I don’t have an APS

@orchid island yea unlucky I’d like to make things more balanced for all classes but if that’s how you see it, you should be able to switch classes in game then.

[sudden spire]

First game post patch and now the audio sounds muddy and indistinct. Anyone else feel like the sound is off somehow?

[thorn elbow]

i havent played in several days probably for the 1st time since ive discovered the game and it's been nothing but a blast.

i'll come back once recon is removed and not a minute earlier

[latent bobcat]

I dont know what problem have people that defend light and say that is weaker than the others when is the strongest. You can out play an heavy in an 1v1 and kill him very quickly and very easy. Light is too powerfull in my opinion. To me this game is unbalanced now after patch 1.5.

I mastered the battlepass 3 weeks ago and now the game has lost all the fun for me with latest patches, of it will continue like that i dont think im going to play it

[nocturne flare]

Text chat when?

[sage bison]

Top tier troll, respect

[orchid island]

i dont think its really the same, you can basically hard counter the gernade launchers with an APS turret, and then they have no means of effectively attacking you, but with an RPG they can just use their other gun @livid oasis no, but my point still stands for mediums, and people who play in squads, @livid oasis then it counter u and ur playstyle unlucky go next

[tepid violet]

Stop the trolling

[rich fox]

more cosmetics would be a nice

[wet whale]

Is crossplay not working?

[dreamy latch]

Increase damage falloff at range for the light submachine guns please 🙏
at long range they can easily contest AKM and Lewis gun due to their accuracy despite being close-range weapons

[shell lotus]

ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSLE, adding mnk support needs to be an option, controller and mnk should not be in the same lobbies but the game is cross platform, which mean I can play with my pc friends so I should be able to plug in my mnk to compete, and if I’m using mnk I should be put in mnk lobbies, if I’m using controller I should be put in those lobbies, freedom of choice is a must if a game is cross plat, matchmaking should be better

[gaunt thunder]

I agree to most of your changes and flamethrowers need just a bit of a nerf to be balanced but rn it’s just to easy to play should have less spread or something like that

But I think the problem is the nukes with the flamethrower maybe if the red canister nukes weren’t that op then the flamethrower would be balanced but nukes+rpg+flamethrower+shield makes an amazing equipment

[daring fossil]

game lost most of its fun a couple weeks ago, but not because lights are over-powered, but actually because they are the worst class (which is sad cuz I loved playing light 400+ hours) and because nothing is being done about medium which is the best class (except they made revolver worse when it was already terrible even though its the most fun to use and the main medium gun I run) and they keep nerfing shit by changing values instead of reworking shit and keep nerfing stuff that doesn't need nerfs and the buffs that stuff does get is mostly meaningless.

@dark night the being able to melee from across the map cheat has been in the game for over a week. it's not just swords but quick-melee and sledge too

That reminds me, people are still abusing animation cancel on quick-melee and other melee weapons to hit several times a second.

[dark night]

in game report and block doesnt work, have gotten into games with multiple ppl i have blocked already

also seems to be a new cheat with swords where they instakill

[boreal wagon]

The guy was blatantly baiting and not being serious. Game is dwindeling in play rate and will be dead in 2 months tops. Never seen a dev team be so wildly incompetant in balancing

And thats with knowing riot phreak exists

[blissful bridge]

The flamethrower in my opinion is balanced.
It used to be never used because of the nerfs.
Now it's viable in combat again, so we'll see more variety in matches.

There's definitely better ways to find balance without constantly nerfing equipment.
In my opinion constantly nerfing equipment in games slowly erodes it's enjoyability.
It makes everything feel weak instead of balanced.

[soft mist]

I was being very nice and respectful with you devs but since its obvious that u guys are completly clueless now, ill help you out.

Your Matchmaking System is still completly fucked, and the problem is: YES, YOU FINALLY PUT ME AGAINST OTHER DIAMOND PLAYERS AND ALSO AGAINST THE TOP 10 BUT IM STILL GETTING SILVER TEAM MATE MAX RANK EVERY GAME LMAO. YOU CAN DO BETTER DDDDDDDD

[ebon elbow]

ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSLE, adding mnk support needs to be an option, controller and mnk should not be in the same lobbies but the game is cross platform, which mean I can play with my pc friends so I should be able to plug in my mnk to compete, and if I’m using mnk I should be put in mnk lobbies, if I’m using controller I should be put in those lobbies, freedom of choice is a must if a game is cross plat, matchmaking should be better

[thorn fern]

Can u maybe please fix the game and the servers, i took 15 and 20min penalities for no reason, the game ends and came back in the menu, taking penalities points, all of my squads. We changing servers during the game. One game we had 6 teams in the same match ???? What's happening

[twilit patrol]

Yay another 6 days with literal uninteresting items for the store.

[feral canopy]

That's what happens when you constantly listen to players on a discord server. Whilst I'm all for competitive play, tailoring a game towards the competitive players is a great way for a game to die if I'm honest, they do need to strike a better balance between the games casual audience and competitive players

[short mica]

Straight to the point, mouse sensitivity cap is absolutly laughable. The betas felt fine with the high sens option and the launch version just feels so damn sluggish making the game pmuch unplayable for me

[hallow ruin]

We need swimsuit skin for heavy male that is super cringe
My enemies will die from the amount of cringe that I will put on them

[daring fossil]

hard to tell sometimes with all the bad english.

I dont know what this riot phreak you speak of is.

[dreamy latch]

Embark's balance team are nobel prize winners compared to Riot's, don't compare any dev team to Riot's

[tame pivot]

no cap if you can't have your sens high enough with the current slider you should 100% consider lowering it

[torpid shale]

When are the official merchandise coming out? I want Nama and Moo-lah plushies please? 🥰🙏

[boreal wagon]

Thats why triple M recon Fcar defib abuse has been plaguing the meta for the last month and nothing is being done about it. Embark balance team is so good they nerfed the one class that sees virtually no play in ranked. Theyre really winning nobel balance prizes out here

[shell lotus]

ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSLE, adding mnk support needs to be an option, controller and mnk should not be in the same lobbies but the game is cross platform, which mean I can play with my pc friends so I should be able to plug in my mnk to compete, and if I’m using mnk I should be put in mnk lobbies, if I’m using controller I should be put in those lobbies, freedom of choice is a must if a game is cross plat, matchmaking should be better

[soft mist]

this is so fucking boring ngl, im non stop fighting the top 500 as a soloq player. They are all 3 stacked and literally TOP 500!!!!! Out of 5 Games today, i got 2 bronze team mates 2 silvers, and 6 golds. wtf is ur job embark

[blissful bridge]

Throwables: (This would make the NUKE! riskier to use and easier to counter without introducing another nerf to the C4 and Heavy Class.)
-Decreased Health
-Slightly Bigger Hitbox

Revolver:
-Revert Range Nerf from 1.5.5 Patch

Light Class:
-Faster Regen Time
-Add Teamplay Health/Shield Bomb akin to the Vanish Bomb
-Fix Hit-Reg issues with M-11 and XP-54 (bullets don't register consistently)

Grapple and Evasive Dash:
-Reduce Cooldown Time

Thermal Vision:
-Changed to Togglable (Quick Use / No Device)

[gaunt thunder]

Like a said maybe it’s not only the flamethrower maybe it’s the complete lodout of the heavy but something of him has to be changed, and ofc always should come nerfs and buffs in the same time so it doesnt get boring and the meta changes

[real marlin]

Just nerf xp54 and cloak for light and yeh

[ebon elbow]

ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSLE, adding mnk support needs to be an option, controller and mnk should not be in the same lobbies but the game is cross platform, which mean I can play with my pc friends so I should be able to plug in my mnk to compete, and if I’m using mnk I should be put in mnk lobbies, if I’m using controller I should be put in those lobbies, freedom of choice is a must if a game is cross plat, matchmaking should be better

[finite wind]

ranked turnament matchmaking in soloq is worst than before. PAIN

[orchid island]

private games and the ability to bring people intho the practice range with you would be great

[upper moon]

Don't make me laugh, there is no place in the game where you can compete. People are no longer interested in this, all the “pro” players have left and don’t even play scrims. I just go to LFG and see 0 messages there, I'm very sad about this

[soft mist]

YO I JUST GOT 2 BRONZE PLAYERS FROM KHAZAKSTAN AS A DIAMOND 2 PLAYER FROM ITALY, YOOU GOTTA BE SHITTING ME EMBARK HAHAHAHAHA

[median ibex]

buff aim assist and add kbm input on console

[blissful bridge]

In my opinion.
The flamethrower is working as intended currently.
It's a powerful close that's meant to be destructive and chaotic in close quarters.
The heavy is the slowest class and the flamethrower has short range.
It can be countered by simply making distance between yourself and the heavy. (I'm not skill checking you)

The ranked meta is currently recon and that will be addressed next week.
Let's wait and see where the meta moves.

@real marlin
There's better ways to balance the game without constantly nerfing equipment.
In my opinion the constant nerfs erode a game's enjoyability.
It leaves the equipment and abilities feeling weak and underwhelming.
Let's work towards balancing the game while preserving it's powerful and fun sandbox.

@orchid island
I don't know if this will get me in trouble but.....
@near cosmos mentioned in #easter-eggs how nice it would be to have private lobbies in relation to casually hunting easter eggs on maps.
Perhaps that's an easter egg in itself that we will get them.🙏

[frail prawn]

Oh yes yes, no not misunderstand me, things like Recon, defib, FCAR and in general that meta build its horrible and makes the game almos unenjoyable, it needs to be fixed afap but, theres a difference between balancing a fun game and following the "Pros opinion" in order to get an eSports game

I know I always use this example but its a good one, lets take a look to the Halo saga, every game from CE to Reach was fun and good, yes, obviously some people had issues with one thing or another but the games were played for years and years on a big community until 343 took a path to make Halo an eSport game, Halo 5 was the top, the game was played by the most amount of pro players on the entire saga and all their feedback was priority but... It died quickly cuz another eSport released and all the community they searched forgot about Halo 5 and the community that really played the saga wasn't playing anymore due to the game not being fun, it was just another soulless fair and balanced eSport focused on being fair instead of being fun

Its not bad having a competitive and balance game but theres a great difference between an competitive game and an eSport game, those "Pro players" usually play games like Valorant, CS, CsGo, etc. The game is good and has potential cuz its fun, that doesnt mean it dont need balancing but its probably never going to be enough for "Pro players" to play it

[gilded ivy]

looking forward to that recon overhaul so people stop crying like babies

edit: not meant to target anyone, but its just annoying

[gaunt thunder]

The problem is his very good at close and nukes and rpgs are good at medium so it’s very strong in combo, I’m not saying nerfing it from damage but you don’t have to reload in years with flamethrower and reloading is very fast so maybe nerf one of that and the spread a bit so you have to aim better at what you want to hit

[lavish shard]

Sry

[sharp belfry]

lmao as a heavy main this pleases me

[barren geode]

I believe the designers of Finals are people immensely skilled in their craft, but I would like to add to this, a story of an old game "Guns" and what made it good. Hopefully it's going to inspire some nice changes in The Finals
https://youtu.be/gMPJ38mSkt0

[blissful bridge]

I can see a longer reload time being a fair balance to the flamethrower.
It'll give players time to make distance, but preserve it's power and viability.

@lavish shard
I think you might have misread what I posted.
The decreased health is for barrels, which would help balance the nuke tactic without further nerfing the heavy class.
There's better ways to balance besides constantly nerfing equipment.
I'm extremely against nerfing personally as I think it erodes the enjoyability of games.
It makes everything feel weak and underpowered.

[pliant rock]

beard customization would be nice. pretty ones could be payed for but some standard beards as default wouldnt hurt

[ebon elbow]

ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSLE, adding mnk support needs to be an option, controller and mnk should not be in the same lobbies but the game is cross platform, which mean I can play with my pc friends so I should be able to plug in my mnk to compete, and if I’m using mnk I should be put in mnk lobbies, if I’m using controller I should be put in those lobbies, freedom of choice is a must if a game is cross plat, matchmaking should be better

[solid narwhal]

Add input based matchmaking and a xim/cheat detection rework so we can have kbm on console!
Please and thank you.

[upper citrus]

nerf fcar and lewis to 20 damage both

[south sedge]

Yes, remove recon and nerf fcar, and remove medium character.

[soft mist]

bro i wish i would be low elo like 99% of you subhumans, then i could cry about unimportant stuff like recon or weapon nerfs/buffs

[orchid island]

subhuman is crazy

[white violet]

but hows the anti cheater system before i get into it? I dont care abut slapping chinese with my wallet

[timid reef]

how the fuck does this game use like 60% of my CPU LMAO

[glad delta]

big man I high key agree like I almost disagree with everything you say but this particular item is the next push. Also a shield bomb is kind of a good idea

[junior arrow]

fix cpu and gpu usages

[true epoch]

fix the noobtube!

[carmine ore]

agreeing with the revert of the revolver nerf, it was already not really used and now decreasing its range falloff isnt making it a viable option of a midrange weapon forcing you to shoot slowly in order to hit the needed shots (remember it only has six, more range also means harder to hit with no real scope weapon, which the revolver isnt)

(btw. pls. decrease the timer for this nasty channel, not very helpful ngl.)

[foggy ginkgo]

Honestly i see a sht ton more turrets than recon. so rampant that it haunts my nightmares😱

[sage bison]

Buff aim assist please. Why do you ask? I'm a casual player who just wants to come home and beat mnk players because of my soft cheats. What's so wrong with that? Why should I have to work to aim. It should simply be given to me. If you don't cater to what I won't then I'll simply stop playing the game. GGs embark

[shell lotus]

ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSLE, adding mnk support needs to be an option, controller and mnk should not be in the same lobbies but the game is cross platform, which mean I can play with my pc friends so I should be able to plug in my mnk to compete, and if I’m using mnk I should be put in mnk lobbies, if I’m using controller I should be put in those lobbies, freedom of choice is a must if a game is cross plat, matchmaking should be better

[near silo]

I have to agree with you, especially on the fact that competitive players only approve of the most boring and safe metas, where consistent weapons(ARs/SMGs/LMGs/Automatic weapons) are top dog and anything that exists outside this system is heretical. The fact that the BEST guns in the game both have the best range and the highest DPS's are the automatic weapons- they are best close, medium and long range. Why use something that's only decent in one area when you can use something that great at all areas?

Weapons like the Double barrel, or the Sledge Hammer , or the Sniper, or Grenade launcher(both), should all be the best in their specific ranges or have use outside their niche, as they all have inherent limitations that would balance out any strong points. By using weapons like theses, you put yourself at a DISADVANTAGE, the Double Barrel has little damage outside of 10m along with a low amount of shots, the Sledge can't do damage outside of a meter of range, the Sniper is held back its slow fire rate and hipfire, Grenade launchers have very high self damage on top of being projectile weapons. But then ON TOP OF THIS, all these weapons have worse damage outputs compared to the automatic counterparts. Why would I use a DB if it can't kill a heavy point blank in a single magazine, where a SMG can? Why use a Sledge when the LMG's kill faster and have RANGE, and when gadgets can destroy terrain? Why use the sniper rifle when the LH1 similar at range but kills faster and is consistent at ALL ranges? Why use a grenade launcher if its ttk is twice as long and its hard countered by both its design and the games gadgets(APS)?

Specialized weapons should have higher or equal damage(barring utility) compared to the safe and consistent counterparts, simple as that. There needs to be a trade off for everything, something that is applicable to every situation needs to be weaker in each while something the only limited to certain situations must be strong in its limited area.

[rancid dagger]

Man wrote a 10 chapter novel

[blissful bridge]

Throwables: (This would make the NUKE! riskier to use and easier to counter without introducing another nerf to the C4 and Heavy Class.)
-Decreased Health (one shot with item placed on it)
-Slightly Bigger Hitbox

Revolver:
-Revert Range Nerf from 1.5.5 Patch

Light Class:
-Faster Regen Time
-Add Teamplay Health/Shield Bomb akin to the Vanish Bomb
-Fix Hit-Reg issues with M-11 and XP-54 (bullets don't register consistently)

Grapple and Evasive Dash:
-Reduce Cooldown Time

Thermal Vision:
-Changed to Togglable (Quick Use / No Device)

EDIT:
@rustic rampart No, I'm fairly certain C4 explodes when shot. If I'm wrong somebody please correct me.

[rustic rampart]

well with nukes the c4s won't explode if shot thats only if they're mines right @gaunt thunder but then can't you js attatch to a chair

[gaunt thunder]

Yeah but if the canister explodes the c4s also explode so when the throwables haves less HP and more hitbox it’s easier to destroy it before he can throw it

With the last nerf you can’t throw it that far away so it’s balanced cause you may kill your self with it

[tepid violet]

That’s not so easy sadly…these devices are still nearly undetectable…they update the device every month to stay undetectable. Sad

[rose surge]

YOU SHOULDN'T BE PENALIZED FOR QUITTING A RANKED TOURNAMENT IF MATCHMAKING DOESN'T GIVE YOU A FULL SQUAD

[feral canopy]

A good way to balance out lights without making them too op is just increase their hitbox, that way more buffs can be done to lights where needed but people can actually still shoot them rather than having them constantly dart around the map. You can then make additional changes to the lights kit to make it more viable, but not make it so overpowered that it becomes overused.

[robust hatch]

Is the new update good

[ebon elbow]

ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSLE, adding mnk support needs to be an option, controller and mnk should not be in the same lobbies but the game is cross platform, which mean I can play with my pc friends so I should be able to plug in my mnk to compete, and if I’m using mnk I should be put in mnk lobbies, if I’m using controller I should be put in those lobbies, freedom of choice is a must if a game is cross plat, matchmaking should be better

[glad delta]

lh1 can technically kill faster but that's just on paper. there's pretty heavy recoil at range, magnification doesn't exist but I get your point. also the grenade launcher has aoe, can be repeated and does a lot of damage

[hard wasp]

No. Same FCAR + medium meta. Until they buff the underused weapons, this will never change. Game might be good in like 2 months if they update as frequent as they did now, and if they change what is needed.
Many fun weapons but they are all useless.

[wide aspen]

Revert SH1900 Nerf.

[exotic swan]

I usually dont write feedback anywhere. But I have to say something about the patch. I have been having a huge amount of fun with the game since beta. Bought the battlepass day 1, bough skins and especially loved the revolver. I dont have a lot of time to play so the limited time that I have I put in grinding with the revolver to get the level 6 skin. It felt like a steep learning curve at the beginning. After 100+ hours in and level 5 and 1 quarter the patch drops in.
The changes from a direction point of view seem like in the right direction. But tonight I decided to try the gun with the new patch. It is awful. It just feel awful. I cant hit anything when not ADSing which was the main defense against close range heavys and lights.
Pretty sure nobody will listen to this but I feel so heartbroken that the little time I have to play and my new found enjoyment is just gone. All of my friend that I tried to get into the game stopped playing after the first few days. It seems the the players who are left are all good, you know , the ones that actually enjoy the game so it feel way harder than in the early days.
For the devs, its just a small variable update in a config file, for me , and others you just messed up 100+ of hours and mini games to grind for gear and probably lost us as players too.

[soft mist]

Holy shit Embark, you are 100% the worst company iv ever met. Even those Companys that release Alpha Games only have 100% more brain than you guys its insane. 0% Tolerance for this stupidy. Idgaf if u ban me because ur ego is too high but this game is so fucking unplayable.

You prefer to listen to fucking bronze players about recon nerfs instead of top rank players who dont give a shit about recon.

But what the fuck is that Match Making. In 15 Years of competitive gaming, iv never seen a worse Match Making in the History of Gaming. Even Mariocard has a better matchmaking than you guys do. And you are an experienced Team btw.

From 15 fucking games as a Dia 2 player, i got 0 Diamonds in my team, 0 Plats, 6 golds, and the rest was only bronze 4-1 and fucking silver.

90% of them never joined voice. And every 2nd game ( yes every 2nd not even kidding ) was a cheater in the lobby.

Message me when the game is repaird, but i guess 400 hours of the finals isnt enough for you guys to email and ask for an opinion. No why... lets listen to those bronze subhumans who have 0 idea how this game works anyways.

Super disgusting to play atm

[tame pivot]

you obviously haven't really listened to top players if you think they don't care about recon

[spare nebula]

dw gang it gon get buffed

[gleaming tide]

egg throwing knife skins.

thanks.

[opaque patio]

bro what you want embark to personally message you cause you have 400 hours in the game lmfao? good lord just do lfg or something or go find a diff game if it's making you so upset

[proper shale]

I pray it is a bait or a copypasta (the message you replied to)

[robust hatch]

Half my lobbies are full of weirdos using fcar or flamethrower

[shell lotus]

ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSLE, adding mnk support needs to be an option, controller and mnk should not be in the same lobbies but the game is cross platform, which mean I can play with my pc friends so I should be able to plug in my mnk to compete, and if I’m using mnk I should be put in mnk lobbies, if I’m using controller I should be put in those lobbies, freedom of choice is a must if a game is cross plat, matchmaking should be better

[rich blade]

Be quiet little boy, stop making such a Mess bc you lost some games pff

[humble nest]

Please fix aim assist on targets closer than 20 meters. There's no aim assist at all, like it's a bug, it shouldn't be like this. You can feel something on further distances

[ebon elbow]

if embark made a poll of some sorts where we could vote for certain updates instead of saying them over and over again it would be better

[glad delta]

nerf grenade launcher range. I'm going mid-long with the lh1 and this asshole can just take most of my health by shelling me from 50m away like what do I even do, he doesn't have to aim that hard

[soft mist]

if you manage to rank higher than silver in anygame, u add me and then we talk you dipshit

[nimble steppe]

Plz talk about mnk on console
So in the recent update they removed mnk support from XBOX and they knew there a lot people asking for mnk on console. They don’t want to support the game with mouse and keyboard while we playing with/against pc players?!!

And the game on pc support both inputs without any problems at all why they following DICE steps when they don’t want to support the game with mouse and keyboard for console while we play in PC lobby??!!
Look at the other games like call of duty and Fortnite and even Roblox it supports mouse and keyboard on console without any problems. This so stupid and makes me so frustrated. 🤬
When I play with mouse and keyboard on the console the game automatically turn off the aim assist when I written and a play with the controller again the aim assist is back automatically so when the divs nerve the aim assist on console a players they delete the mouse and keyboard on the on the consoles because the aim assist is not like before so this is the devs
problem not mien ?

TALK ABOUT IT PLZZZZZ😢
#WE_NAED_MNK_ON_CONSOLS_THE_FINALS

[near scroll]

is it really that surprising? I just did a quick benchmark and i sat at around 55% on CPU too (with a 5800X3D, so not bad but not flagship). remember you're running one of the most advanced physics engines out rn in UE5. if it isnt causing major fps issues, is it really a problem?

what cpu do u have

[opaque patio]

bronze ranked in social skills

[hard wasp]

This is a very good idea. Like take recon for example. Provide several options raging from removing the ability to w/e rework they are thinking about, and let us vote. Way easier than scrolling to countless tilted messages.

[ancient hare]

omg yall.
It's super unlikely MnK will ever be officially supported on console. it would require input-based matchmaking to be a thing and I think they already said they don't wanna do that. They don't have the player base for it. I know not everyone can just go out and buy shit but you can definitely get a second-hand (or even new) gaming pc cheaper and more powerful than any console out rn. You want MnK in The Finals you're prolly gonna have to get a PC, sry 🤷‍♂️

[wide aspen]

Give SH1900 1 damage per pellet back, to 11.

[plain plover]

Please add 3 more contestant slots

[bleak coral]

i hope for recon change will be to make it only footsteps are visible, so if ur hiding ur still hidden

[fossil walrus]

It wouldn't require much more than not allowing people on mnk to turn off crossplay. People on console are right to ask for that feature

[blissful bridge]

Throwables: (This would make the NUKE! riskier to use and easier to counter without introducing another nerf to the C4 and Heavy Class.)
-Decreased Health
-Slightly Bigger Hitbox

Revolver:
-Revert Range Nerf from 1.5.5 Patch

Light Class:
-Faster Regen Time
-Add Teamplay Health/Shield Bomb akin to the Vanish Bomb
-Fix Hit-Reg issues with M-11 and XP-54 (bullets don't register consistently)

Grapple and Evasive Dash:
-Reduce Cooldown Time

Thermal Vision:
-Changed to Togglable (Quick Use / No Device)

[viscid raft]

There seriously needs to be more sensitivity control in the players hands, by either removing the limit or doing it how cod does, where the sensitivity ingame is already really high.

[wicked crest]

Anyone still having hit registration issues?

[turbid tree]

https://medal.tv/games/the-finals/clips/1RgzJJObo-I3FF/d1337YmDJ8De?invite=cr-MSxHWm8sNjM0NTk1MDMs

New update has not "ensured closer matches by skill-rating"

[placid valley]

buff recon in the new rework plan

[near scroll]

aw hell naw 😭 😭

[alpine jungle]

They said a full overhaul so it's gonna be very different my guess is something akin to bloodhounds scan where it's one use

[real marlin]

Nerf double barrel, nerf turret, buff recon(underrated)

[soft mist]

pov: you think texting someone on a gaming discord is "sociality" XD

[pulsar drift]

🤡

[opaque patio]

it obviously is to you do you read your messages before you send them

[brave plover]

embark please fix m11 and xp-54, theres something buggy with the damage and hit regestration ... unplayable, not the same weapons since patch 1.5.0 its like some bullets are shooting through ghosts

[solid narwhal]

Add input based matchmaking and a xim/cheat detection rework so we can have kbm on console!
@fossil walrus facts

[grand dawn]

Please just remove nukes, they add nothing to the game, are conceptually impossbile to balance, and dont add any new or unique mechanics

[blissful bridge]

Double Barrel could have it's range reduced, but that's it.
Turret is fine.
I hope Recon stays as a "live-feed" personally.

[atomic steppe]

"buff in built esp i dont have enough game sense or brain cpacity to know whats happening in the game"

[grave fable]

Hello! I'm here to add another voice to the others, hopefully Embark sees this and addresses it -

Please remove the revolver range nerf! I understand the fear that it may become more like a sniper but I don't think that's going to be an issue as the ironsights make it quite difficult to aim with anyway.

I think the revolver is a great weapon but I don't think it will be out performing the full auto weapons any time soon if the range nerf is reverted. The rifles still deal way more consistent dps with less room for error

[undone belfry]

Man playing this game is just not fun anymore. Crossplay with pc on console is trash like why tf did they change it from console only crossplay to pc crossplay... like how should a console guy beat stuff like this... https://youtu.be/4YC0s_Fw3oQ?si=lWD3D27Hs-dubcBz

Aim assit is broken to, there's no slowdown under 20m... console playerbase is just dead. Like it takes 10 minutes to find a unranked tournament game.. 5min for ranked... both crossplay disabled on xbox..

Embark really does only Focus on pc people... sad. Im glad that I only put 10 bucks in the game and not more... playerbase is sinking on pc and console... 40k average, dropped from top 20 games of steam... similar stats are probably for console too...

That's what happens when you guys Focus the game to be competitive- which the game itself is a casual game in its roots...

Like dead go boom, no gravity, recon senses, invisble perk... this game never was intended to be competitive... and now crossplay with pc on console... who is the repsonsible dude for all those aknowledgments in the embark Team... ffs

[placid valley]

The update on the yesterday made the player count drop slower, but that's day 1. It can probably start to drop again today. no new content but bad balance

[twilit lily]

The fact you guys nerfed revolver is insane to me...It's already the worst performing medium weapon BY FAR. Who cares how strong it is long range when it already underperforms anyway...Doesn't even make any sense. It was INSANELY rare to see people using it and even more rare to see anyone GOOD using it. It needed buffs. You can easily just nerf headshot multiplier and increase firing speed or something similiar instead of a nerf...I swear it's AI cooking these balance updates.

[soft mist]

ok you make no sense at this point, just stop clowning urself and leave me alone already femboy

[pulsar drift]

Balance is Embark's issue atm. Because it took them so long, and on open beta release somehow made it so the game made one class completely obsolete. (MMH HHM MMM = No light class). They heard some of us for some of the issues, but each class's identity was very mixed at the start. Heavies were burst, Mediums were heal/defib bots, and lights slowly stopped existing. and after a whole month of being released those identities have only slightly changed. Light has somewhat of a place now due to heavy's burst damage nerfed, but now mediums are the play with the lack of defib/AK nerfs. Recon sense is extremely game breaking when they already have a sonar grenade which does the "recon" thing perfectly. Either remove it or give it to the light class and replace Cloak.

[glad ginkgo]

HELLLL NAWWWW!

[shell lotus]

ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSLE, adding mnk support needs to be an option, controller and mnk should not be in the same lobbies but the game is cross platform, which mean I can play with my pc friends so I should be able to plug in my mnk to compete, and if I’m using mnk I should be put in mnk lobbies, if I’m using controller I should be put in those lobbies, freedom of choice is a must if a game is cross plat, matchmaking should be better

[opaque patio]

if you arent a troll i pity you brother cause that's crazy

[daring fossil]

revert revolver range nerf. Gun was already at a huge disadvantage. You had the right idea with reducing the spread (its a single-shot magnum it shouldn't even have spread) but then completely destroyed the good will by making it even more trash at medium to long range.

[crystal tide]

Make recon always active and buff fcar damage to 100 please thanks

[blissful bridge]

I would like to see more interactions with maps too.
-Map Altering Destruction Points (i.e. Skyway Bridge)
-Overgrown Areas for Fire Destruction / Shortcuts Accessible with Fire
-Indestructible Doors / Control Areas / Togglable Enviromental Traps (i.e. Turret and Walls in Las Vegas, Raised Bridges in Seoul)
-More Casual Interactions (i.e. Jackpots for example)
-Extreme Weather (Tornados, Earthquakes, etc.)

---

Mode Rule Variations:
There are map variations and it would be cool to see rule variations in casual modes.

QUICK-CASH
"Over-Time Rule"
During this match the timer will stop while the Cashout is being stolen.

"Cashbox Money Loss"
During this match the Cashbox will lose value the longer it stays in the field.

BANK-IT / SOLO BANK-IT
"Vanishing Coins"
During this match dropped Coins will disappear after 5-15 seconds

"No Vaults"
During this match Coins will only drop from eliminated Contestants.

---

QUALITY OF LIFE

Dead Go Boom - Trophies tick down 5 secs with loud audio cue and are throwable by anyone.
Contestant Characters increased from 6 to 9
Ability to Invite Teammates into the Practice Range

Team Loadouts viewable by button press in scoreboard menu
Enemy Specializations viewable in scoreboard menu
Enemy Class viewable in scoreboard while they are dead

Color Wheel for Cosmetics (primary, secondary, and accent)
Replay Mode

[flat plaza]

Aiming grenade launchers should give a trajectory line.

[vital pivot]

On ps5 whenever I sleep the console, and then start playing later the game is frozen and I have to relaunch the game.
When I play fortnite and then sleep the ps5, and turn it on, it reboot and connects to the server from the home screen.
Could we get a fix so I don’t have to continually close game and relaunch on ps5.
Cheers

[thin nexus]

update did nothing for the game. still trash because of medium. also my first game back i ran into a hacker so yeah thats fun.

[keen scaffold]

Laziest person ever btw

[ancient hare]

I doubt it's just that easy. If they could simply flip a switch at Embark™ HQ, they would have done that at launch. Do you think they're actively choosing to not enable MnK on console simply because they wanna bully you? It probably requires a lot of studio bandwidth to try to make sure people can't cheese input stuff on console. I mean the biggest studios out there still can't solve the Cronus/Xim issues. It's complicated.
Yall need to get a PC for MnK. That or figure out how to multiply this game's player base by 10. Whichever sounds easier for you.

[brittle ginkgo]

backstab detection is absolute DOGSHIT the amount of times it doesnt register the backstab and does just 50 dmg is ridiculous

[fossil walrus]

Bully me? I'm a PC player. Not everyone is simply being selfish and asking for things that only affect them. It was that easy for them to take out mnk support on Xbox. I doubt it's that difficult. Fortnite has it, COD has it and other crossplay games have it. The Finals should have it

[quick coyote]

Please add text chat, I don't know why it isn't in the game along with better social features but I hate turning on a mic to suggest something to teammates and they flame me for no good reason, even if they're doing horribly. If I'm gonna get flamed, might as well make it easier for both parties. I'm also not sure why there aren't basic perimeters to detect hackers or an auto ban trigger, it would help even a little. Game is barebone, in bad shape playerbase wise, and is bleeding really bad due to lack of content/game not being very replayable, not much situation variety, just blends together. Game suffers from trying to be different but ending up feeling the same due to the game focusing on being competitive versus fun. I haven't touched the game in 3 weeks, got bored very easily

Even apex had text chat on launch, even for consoles

[solar oasis]

hey embark, how about you fix MM and stop giving me literal fucking disabled people to babysit with 0 kills every single match

[glad ginkgo]

I think they should remove the recon senses and replace it with a gadget/specialization that deploys jumpads and ziplines. Kinda like a cross between lights evasive dash and medium healing beam. Only 3 at a time with cooldown. Also this would free up a gadget slot on the medium loadout.

[spark sparrow]

Mouse and keyboard back to console please

[frigid spoke]

There is not enough game modes in the game. Theh need to add more also they should add some creative mode so people can make their own modes and gamemodes. But if you want them to keep playing your game mode more then make it that you cant share it but instead you need a code. You should also add some search and destroy gamemode

[pseudo needle]

AMAZING UPDATE THANKYOU FOR LISTENING TO THE COMUNITY AS ALWAYS

[daring fossil]

games in such a dogshit state right now. no fun allowed, keep nerfing the fun. "due to feedback and data it appears that the wall hacks we put in the game is complete dogshit. but hear us out for a minute, we're going to leave it in the game while we rework it" I love this game, and it's still all I want to play, but instead of getting joy out of it, it just makes me fucking angry. I've been playing since the alpha, I bought $60 worth of currency and the battlepass on day one because I was happy it finally came out and wanted to support the devs, and most of the cosmetics were/are shit, but now im regretting it. most incompetent and out of touch dev team I've ever seen.

[vital pivot]

Laziness leads to innovation 🤷

[placid valley]

Just lock the input to mnk if the game starts and detects Xim. If they want to change the input hardware, ask them to restart the game. Only if they try to hack the game, the solution will fail. Otherwise every player should bind to the right hardware input in that way.

[solid narwhal]

Add input based matchmaking and a xim/cheat detection rework so we can have kbm on console!
Please and thank you.
Idc if I've already said this like 20 times like a npc but add kbm to console controller sucks big daddy finals devs

[glass sonnet]

No mention of anticheat improvement in the notes at all. This game is toast.

[quick coyote]

overtime is so fucking stupid it needs to be reworked

[glad ginkgo]

I think they should remove the recon senses and replace it with a gadget/specialization that deploys jumpads and ziplines. Kinda like a cross between lights evasive dash and medium healing beam. Only 3 at a time with cooldown. Also this would free up a gadget slot on the medium loadout.

[ancient hare]

Brother, Fortnite and CoD are two of the most played shooter games in the world. Run by gigantic studios. Yall are in here like acting like a smaller studio who has a tiny fraction of the resources can just start pressing buttons and make huge changes like detecting/ locking input, forcing cross play settings, detecting xim, etc. Without the game just breaking. It's not worth the effort to maintain input shenanigans on console for fringe console players who want MnK when there are way more important things to focus on. Whether you're personally on console or not, the fact stands that if it were that easy to do correctly, they'd do it. That or you think they're just MnK haters for some reason (which is clearly not the case).

[fossil walrus]

And yet Fortnite doesn't have input based matchmaking. They have crossplay on and off. It's very simple to just force people who use mnk to play with crossplay on. Idk why you keep writing books just to keep mnk off console like you have some kind of agenda

[quick coyote]

The updates make me wish I just ignored the game. Because the fun I had back then cannot be had now. I'm forced to play a certain way to even compete. I had so much fun in the betas and Launch playing casually and now I can't even do that.

[near scroll]

why does it matter so much to you that console has M&KB if you dont even play on console? i just dont understand

[quick coyote]

Woah there. Take a chill pill cowboy. Good things come to those who wait... and wait... and wait...

[plucky torrent]

Making defibulators a special abiliuty would be totally balanced

[upper citrus]

this

[glad ginkgo]

👆

[autumn widget]

what if Defibs just forces the revived players gadgets into Cooldown so chain Defib wouldn't be possible

[quick coyote]

True for me too, my friends have mostly dropped the game and I feel like playing it less and less as well.

[solar oasis]

all day every single fucking day solo queuing in this shit game getting absolutely disabled teammates 0 kills 0 obj score 0 support 8 deaths.

Why the fuck am I as someone who is 1 win away from plat getting literal bronze new players as teammates???

Can some fucking moron from embark please explain?

Why are you making me babysit your cash cows??? Just so they keep spending and don't quit? Dogshit game.

[ancient hare]

Literally like 6 sentences, but okay? I don't have an agenda - I don't give af if you play this game with your smart fridge. It's just annoying to read shit like "it's very simple" when you have literally no idea. What's "very simple" is getting a PC for MnK... like a normal sane person would do.

[fossil walrus]

It's very simple. I care about people having the features that should be standard even if they are on console. Most people are selfish and only care when they benefit. For the health of gaming in general mnk and gyro should be standard features.

They removed mnk on Xbox with a single update. It's really that easy to add it back with a lock that doesn't allow you to turn crossplay off. You're arguing just to argue @ancient hare

[crystal tide]

lol

[stiff tusk]

New skins giving me Scott Yu-Jan vibes.... intentional? Or insane coincidence

[pliant trail]

when would the new SBMM go live? I still have silvers in my diamond games

[wispy crow]

my mate boyght battlepass and he hasnt gotten any coins from it hes lvl 10 and hes supposed to have 150 credits how does he fix this?

[glad ginkgo]

jump pads and ziplines being a specialization to replace RECON. 3 CAN BE DEPLOYED WITH A COOLDOWN BETWEEN EACH ONE JUST LIKE LIGHTS EVASIVE DASH. It would be a device that deploys these jump pads and ziplines. The player can alternate between the 2. This new medium special can remove 2 gadgets to free up a gadget slot to make room for more customization during loadouts. I think it would nice to help with supporting teams and being able to move your whole team at will.

[quick coyote]

At least microsoft said they will be adding Gyro to their newer controllers in the future. That being said I don't like Gyro and I rather use a mouse. I don't like using Gyro at all in Splatoon 3 but I know that's how people got crazy aim because the aim sensitivity is WAY TOO SLOW at max settings for non gyro users.

[slim moth]

matchmaking is still completely broken for ranked. i'm platinum 3 and i'm still getting bronze teammates

[rich fox]

can’t help but feel like they should have waited longer to fully release the game. no one is happy with the current state of it.

[hexed frigate]

F

[tight musk]

having played both beta's and the the release for about 170 hours, i wouldn't say it's that bad but it feels a bit "underbaked" in terms of content. The fact that the player population has fallen drastically since launch I think is proof in the pudding that it's not sustainable unless they bring more modes and lot more content

[sour bane]

you mean forced to play medium? tf you mean forced to play a certain way?

[real marlin]

Double barrel def need a nerf they one shot lights(if it doesn't matter then there was no points in nerfing rpg)
@atomic steppe ok I'm joking

[placid valley]

Any fps game needs some random skins in the end game content, otherwise the game will be boring soon. The Finals not only ignores this, but also keeps releasing super ugly skins to reduce my desire to spend money. R.I.P.

Change the color of those free skins and add them to the end of the pass so we can get them randomly. That won't cost you too much time.

[ancient hare]

If you think MnK access should be standard on console then talk to Sony and Microsoft. How do you expect Embark to maintain the integrity of their game while also allowing weird input exceptions? They don't have the people for it. I'm all for accessibility but there are too many people willing to exploit it so it needs to be done right or not at all.

[fossil walrus]

Microsoft and Sony both allow mnk on console natively. It's up to devs to use it. What are you talking about?

@quick coyote The next Xbox controller is only confirmed to have an accelerometer for lift to wake. Gyro isn't confirmed but people are hoping that Microsoft does the right thing and stops holding everyone back.

[daring fossil]

fix the goo barrels so they stop bouncing and don't deploy where I want them to. Literally got me killed twice in one game, donno why I didn't learn my lesson the first time. but I donno why I expect anything to work properly in this game at this point

[vocal shadow]

loading a match uses more resorces than playing it.

[rich fox]

-there’s only a handful of maps,
-major balance changes that still need to be implemented,
-only 3 game modes,
-a lack luster store that only changes once a week,
-a pretty horrible rank system that matches unfairly,
-and a battle pass that most people don’t have enough time to complete.

don’t get me wrong, the game is cool as fuck and i’m gonna keep playing regardless. just wasn’t ready to fully launch imo

[quick coyote]

I'm not exactly sure how the motion sensor is intended to work but it's pure garbage. Please make it something useful

[blissful bridge]

That's fine if they have to get closer because of a range reduction.
The double barrel is supposed to be extremely powerful, but it's supposed to be extremely inaccurate too.
That's why a range reduction is the best balance for the double barrel.

(I wish they never nerfed RPG it was fair in my opinion, and suicide pocket RPG is fair because both players die.)
@gaunt thunder I
It's a fair counter for waspy lights, but I understand the frustration. I think it's also fair that RPG and mines don't one shot full health lights anymore.
I just hope to keep finding balance in the game while preserving the fun powerful equipment and gameplay.

[lost oak]

How are u using it

[dusky apex]

Guardian turret skin shows when you select specialization on medium

[gaunt thunder]

Nah the rpg nerf was accurate like the mine nerf cause if light is weak rn imagine if the still could get 1 tapped by mines and rpgs

[stone aurora]

Man I can't wait till they fix the issue where I join Bank it and my team already as 35K and might even be winning, normally the opposite where I join a game and its already over. This has happened to me twice out of me 3 games I've played so far tonight. Getting old lol I just leave sometimes if my team is literally last sometimes with 0 banked and the team is already at 38k like why even bother? Apologies if this doesn't make as much sense I must admit and am frangonaled rn

[plucky torrent]

please add a cooldown when light's invisibility gets broken. 1 second at least.

[dense dagger]

It's not a big deal you can leave whenever and find a new game, this is casual games to have fun.

[quick coyote]

I think they should fix spawns already. If your team is wiped and you spawn together you shouldn't be the one person on the team spawned at the opposite end of the map. You should spawn together as a team because you just get wreckt by another team alone.

[quick coyote]

You don't speak for everyone. Pretty happy myself. PC w/ Steam controller works fine. I just wish there was more faces/hair/etc since the current selection is limited.

[glacial salmon]

When you play ultimately better than the enemy team but defibs and recon says No

Ranked, Quickplay-- all plagued. Remove recon

[daring fossil]

by the time recon gets fixed im going to have the entire playerbase using it blocked

[dense hazel]

Of course you’re gonna feel that way if all you interact with is the discord servers and the subreddit, where 99% of the playerbase just cry the same old same old “nerf this or game dead” or “buff this or game dead” if you check other platforms like YouTube, Steam and even twitter you’d see the feedback is way more positive

[blazing snow]

Queue the revive animation half a second earlier. It's shit loading into a white screen that takes ages to fade away and it's really easy to just immediately die if you're revived in a small amount of cover or immediately near an edge. I understand the animation itself is a design choice but just time it so that the moment the screen is back to normal is the same one you get control of your character back.

[woeful arch]

Just lost the final round of an unranked tournament in the Monaco map because we had capped and were on the first floor of one of the 2-floor platforms that you need to reach by using a jump pad or a yellow string. We are in the final seconds of the game: other team sends an explosive charge, and the cashout falls down one floor.

I turn around to revive a teammate, thinking it's safe since the cashout is simply one floor down from us - well, the next thing I see on the screen is the announcement that the other team had gotten the cashout all the way down to ground level + had all the seconds necessary during this teammate revive to steal the cashout in the last seconds and win the tournament. I literally couldn't hear them steal the cashout from higher up and all this time, was convinced they were not a threat.

Kinda salty about that one. We can literally hear our teammates say "go to cashout A" and "thanks" from across the map, but we can't hear something as critical as an opposite team steal a cashout from several meters down the floor? Why would the game music and commentators voice be louder than this very specific crisis situation? Ugh.

[rich fox]

true

[waxen granite]

remove recon save the game. fairly simple.

[placid valley]

Positive won't save the game anyway. The game is truly dying based on the player count. We have already lost 5/6 players. This is the just the date right after the first month since it released.

The imbalance and the lack of content are killing the game.

[lost oak]

Has the bug fixed when the the vault is under the map not the cash out the money box

[primal storm]

Anyone else just crash as soon as the game boots since the latest update?

[gaunt thunder]

The possibility of whipping 1 team with 2 clicks without even trying shouldn’t be a thing

[quick coyote]

Sadly the block system doesn't work. I've blocked alot of hackers and still got them and they were still one shotting everyone across the map using aimbot and more with a Lewis.

[median ibex]

buff aim assist

[plucky torrent]

Light invisibility needs a cooldown after invis is broken

[marsh oriole]

R E M O V E W A L L H A C K F R O M T H E G A M E

[tropic swift]

Just a message that you guys are doing great. Player counts might be dropping but it’ll pay off if consistent updates are being added like now.

Love this game

[soft wedge]

Fire the person who takes care of the cosmetics

[dense hazel]

I never said positivity alone can help the game. The devs obviously need to continue putting out updates and content to maintain the game, which they have been and will continue to do.

I wasn’t even talking about player health, I was just going on about how people in this server and in the subreddit can just be batshit insane, and can just never make up their minds (one minute it’s nerf AA now it’s time to buff it?) so obviously if youre only looking at discord or Reddit you’d probs think this is the worst game of all time 💀

[misty owl]

DEVS LOGIC:

FIX THE DAGGER ❌ 🤢 😒

ADD THE SKIN FOR THE DAGGER🔥 🗣️ ✅

[dense dagger]

143 different skins you can buy. (not counting free skins)
10 updates
4 game modes
The game was released 47 days ago.

Lack of content and balance ??
I came from games like Apex/pubg/valorant when there was only 1 game mode available for months/years.
valorant does not have legends skins yet I believe and still work pretty good.
People always find something to complain about I find that funny 🤣
Everything single game loses a ton a players during the few months after release some games disappear and other keep a stable amount of players.
15-20k players in a game is really good btw (Rocket league)
The finals have 40-50k players on steam (not counting PS and XBOX players)
And there are no other games like the finals around so i think it will last really long.

[placid valley]

If you regard paid skins, imbalance updates as end-game content, then what else can I say?

#Buff_Recon
🤡 🤡 🤡

[lost oak]

Not rush the dev I think they should end the season quicker not to be rude I love help the dev out I hope the game last long and hope it do go well I love the game it made me feel great it has message me dev I want help u out u people

[gaunt thunder]

You probably not even plat, nukes are rn still op with the nerf and heavy is so strong rn i play him and I constantly win 1v3 cause I catch 1 or 2 from behind with the nuke and the others with the rpg+gun

[rigid shale]

thrown vault box stuck in ground, resulting in a match time out, as none of the teams can reach it. add it some sort of fix so the vault box doesn't get stuck in the ground/map beneath the floor texture.

[dim cape]

has happened to me like 3 times first time i seen someone complain about it ... crazy

[plucky torrent]

Smoke needs to be thicker (can see straight through it, or hide the bright highlight on enemies that are in it,.)

Light invisibility did need the penalty for activating it, rather a charge up time or a cooldown after invisibility is broken.

Light health regen should either be faster of give light a gadget to make it faster, like a stim shot.

[median ibex]

buff aim assist

[hybrid sable]

ehhh

[sacred siren]

make the asymmetrical pants have the same color accents (yellow) as the asymmetrical top (or add a clothing item that does). currently they look like completely different outfits and dont belong together

[silver thunder]

I would love to see the throwing knives get a slight buff to damage or speed. rn even an average medium or heave has the advantage

[full onyx]

hi guys, is anyone there know how to fix error crashing when i press play in steam?

[near prism]

Using the same specialization by all players in 1 team is trolling and uncounterable, double or triple recon sense, turret, dome shield or any other specialization is OP and boring to play against, finally, your game is really fun and has huge potential but I think it’s dying slowly cuz of late updates, you have to put more effort and keep fix the problem as fast as you can to save this amazing game

[median ibex]

Nerf kbm and pc players

[stone aurora]

Ah ok then, I felt like I was gonna like get punished if I kept doing that, I only leave if the winning team is like over 30k and all other teams are at 10k and below once in awhile but even in that scenario it's still possible to get a W. So if it's worse than that and it definitely has been, where I literally join and they're already at 38k

[rapid coyote]

you shouldn’t take a loss if you join mid game. it should only count as a win if you win but not loss

[royal flume]

Please add high frame rate support for console. Game doesn’t even hold 60fps on ps5. We don’t need 4K and lighting effects just want a smooth game.

[gaunt thunder]

It doesn’t matter if it counts as a win or a lose cause it’s just casual your not wining or losing something xd

[plucky torrent]

Smoke needs to be thicker (can see straight through it, or hide the bright highlight on enemies that are in it,.)

Light invisibility did not need the penalty for activating it, rather a charge up time or a cooldown after invisibility is broken.

Light health regen should either be faster of give light a gadget to make it faster, like a stim shot.

Dagger should have the yellow hitmarker when backstabning successfilly

[rich vapor]

I think they should just copy tf2 for the invis tbh, make it so you have a while of invis, and are perfectly invisible but you have a short decloak time along with audio queue

[unique onyx]

@sacred siren I think the white tank top is supposed to go to those pants. Not the yellow and black top.

[shell lotus]

ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSLE, adding mnk support needs to be an option, controller and mnk should not be in the same lobbies but the game is cross platform, which mean I can play with my pc friends so I should be able to plug in my mnk to compete, and if I’m using mnk I should be put in mnk lobbies, if I’m using controller I should be put in those lobbies, freedom of choice is a must if a game is cross plat, matchmaking should be better, PLEASEEEEE or give us a genuine reason it’s hard to play with my pc friends

[stone aurora]

Seems fair to me, coming from a PC mnk user. Now as long as there's aim assist only when using controllers, obivously.

[bleak coral]

[wispy token]

custom games

[crystal tide]

I agree with some of this but if this is the most incompetent and out of touch dev team you’ve ever seen you probably haven’t seen many dev teams

[daring fossil]

im just salty, this is my main game right now and it just makes me angry playing it. They're pretty on-par with other out of touch and incompotent dev teams I've seen though. currently anyways. But expectations low at this point.

@dull hemlock most of the changes they've made I've disagreed with, even if the things they nerfed needed nerfs, I think they nerfed most of them the wrong way. There's other ways to nerf things besides just changing a number. I also don't care if you think it's rude. I've given them $60, hundreds of hours of playtesting and tonnes of feedback and the game has just gotten progressively worse.

[dull hemlock]

Take a break? It's not the optimal answer but there's also only so fast they can work. The consistent balance changes have been pretty damn solid on the whole, the only major problem right now is recon... existing. I'm salty they didn't touch it in the patch but calling them incompetent and out of touch when many of the changes are ones the community has wanted is just rude as fuck.

Oh, and dead go boom still exists and needs to be thrown in the trash already.

[placid valley]

dead go boom just kills all melee and short weapons users

[shell lotus]

ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSLE, adding mnk support needs to be an option, controller and mnk should not be in the same lobbies but the game is cross platform, which mean I can play with my pc friends so I should be able to plug in my mnk to compete, and if I’m using mnk I should be put in mnk lobbies, if I’m using controller I should be put in those lobbies, freedom of choice is a must if a game is cross plat, matchmaking should be better, I have to keep saying something till the devs give us a reason or just add it in

[karmic flax]

RANDOM RESPAWNS RUIN THIS GAME. I HAVE LOST TOO MANY GAMES BECAUSE IT SPAWNS ME ACROSS THE MAP FROM THE CASHOUT AND I CANT REACH IT IN TIME. IT NEEDS TO CHANGE

[grave void]

Hey guys fix the "hours played" In the user profile, I've 100+hrs of playtime on record on steam but in my in-game profile it only shows 70ish hours.

[stone aurora]

noticed a difference as well, maybe it's in-game time vs steam counts it in the menus?

[crystal tide]

I think when it comes to incompetence most AAA devs still clear them, like cod or blizzard devs for example. They haven’t been perfect with balancing but they are at least in some way responding to feedback, which puts them above a lot of the bottom-tier devs I’ve seen

[daring fossil]

I think it might just record time in actual matches, and not just in the game client

[lunar belfry]

Are there any additional perks/rewards after completing the battle pass? The timeframe for a new pass feels very far away now that I have everything unlocked.

[white lily]

The devs Do changes responding to the majority on this discord. The problem is: Most of their Players are complaining about stuff, that doesnt need to get nerfed. Like Recon: If they are going to nerf recon next week, you will see a standard of MHH in High Rank. Thats because Heavy was The best class before yesterdays Patch, now its even better and if recon gets nerfed, the heavy class is definetly OP. And thats The problem, The community is the problem, just because there is a Medium Recon Meta (Many Players are playing it) doesnt Mean that it needs a nerf.
Devs should be in contact with TOP 100 Players and the problem is, they arent

[tawny oak]

the kbm players will say no because then they have to actually try, the devs should try to fix or remove the macros from pc, its literally cheating

@white lily recon nerf should be a pulsing thing that has a limited radius, not see the whole damn map, it makes no sense, sonar grenades should be reduced a bit in radius and the recon perk should be a maybe double or triple the radius of the sonar.

[plucky torrent]

Smoke needs to be thicker (can see straight through it, or hide the bright highlight on enemies that are in it,.)

Light invisibility did not need the penalty for activating it, rather a charge up time or a cooldown after invisibility is broken.

Light health regen should either be faster of give light a gadget to make it faster, like a stim shot.

Dagger should have the yellow hitmarker when backstabning successfilly

[ebon peak]

MnK support on consoles 🥺

[daring fossil]

balancing purely off the competitive top players often makes games stale and just reinforces lame metas too. I think recon needs to be at least removed and at most heavily reworked, but the fact they acknowledged it but are leaving it in the game for the next week just pissed everyone off too. Constantly being prefired, cut off during flanks and getting beamed from multiple angles the second I walk into a room because everyone can see through walls is infuriating. I purposely stay away from the meta/cheese builds because that's not fun to me, but now the loadouts that were fun to me are just getting destroyed and outplayed in most encounters. used to frequently get double digit kills and sometimes 20+ and now I rarely get more than 5-7 unless I play medium, but then they nerfed revolver range when it didn't need it to even out the reduction of spread which was what made it inconsistent and mostly useless.

[brittle ginkgo]

who asked for GL buffs?

[sonic spoke]

When is the ban hammer coming down? Tonight was really bad.

[weary crown]

Recon needs rework or completely removed. Put Defi as an ability.

Then give something like Semtex nade for destruction.

[wild hedge]

disconnected from ranked and got the penalty after trying to reconnect to match, banned me for 10 minutes. Waited it out, tried to join another match and it immediately disconnected me again resulting in a 30 MINUTE BAN. For fucking nothing.

[thorny latch]

keep recon

[drowsy juniper]

OCE is unplayable for ranked RN, literally no estimated Queue times, and even if its there, theyre 10-15 queue times, rlly need to fix SBMM or something, add like weekly/daily "TOURNAMENTS" like rocket league to help with more players during peak times, rlly need it right now for more competitive gamers

[frail prawn]

Dagger need the crit hitmarker back, it got deleted from 2 patches ago

[acoustic pumice]

We need to make C4 harder to use. The damage isn't the problem. There needs to be a delay between when you throw something and when you can press the button to give it a skill element.

[white lily]

I dont say that a rework of recon isnt necessary but I think my point was more than understandable. There are more important things to do first. NUKE for example, IT HAS to be out of the game, they did a great Job with the last Patch but WHY can you still throw the Red ones like before. So there wasnt really a nuke nerf. I ripped an entire Medium Team in like 3 seconds yesterday only throwing a Red Barrel and my rpg. Thats not what this game is about, yk?

@daring fossil the Revolver change really was unnecessary. But i completely disagree with your first sentence. The top Players do know about the metas all the time so they can change metas responding to them pretty quick. Are the people in this discord with their 30 Hours playtime more worth it listening to?

[blissful bridge]

This game deserves more content.
It's an extremely fun and chaotic sandbox game.
There should be more modes, maps, and variations of each.
Forge mode and Custom Lobbies would help build a community.

[dawn sand]

when charging the sword thrust, the attack will be consumed to parry an rpg

[grave void]

Hey how about a heist game mode with pvpve elements

[royal flume]

Why are the ranks still all over the place in my matches? Patch notes said this was fixed but it’s exactly the same

[tawny oak]

well for me the nuke is what ever, i barely run into it, i was being 1 tapped with the lights shotgun from across rooms as a light while i had full health so i dont really want one to be addressed while another isnt, the biggest gripe i have with this game is the servers, they need to do weekly or monthly maintenance to have them perform better or more consistently, i would use other guns but the damage they do is pathetic, its absolutely dogwater on how inconsistent and how unreliable they are from lobby to lobby.

[viscid raft]

Chaos/randomizer experimental mode
random class, random gadgets, random abilitys, using the base of solo bank it, it would be amazing

[crude brook]

MORE EQUIPMENT
MORE EQUIPMENT
MORE EQUIPMENT!!

[ebon peak]

Why pc has 2 input options and the so called next gen console have only 1?,,,please turn the aim assist off while MnK is plugged and let console players decide their choice of input. And if for consoles only controller is the option, then remove controller support from pc as well

[foggy adder]

SBMM has gotten worse lol!!

[daring fossil]

I never said that, but ok. I don't know what embark needs to do, but they need to do something more than they have been doing and just stop adjusting numbers and calling it a day. Yeah sure there's been a patch every week, but for the most part the changes they've made could be done on a daily basis, why they have to wait a week for a hand full of number changes and still not address a large number of things is beyond me, and when they do address something they either do it half-assed or too much.

@tawny oak also the shit ass interpolation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maj1gScmuyg

Really tired of dying well around corners, getting shot from enemies facing the wrong way, cashout timers being out of sync, riot shield absorbing all damage even though im shooting the meaty bits, backstab not working because a player turned even though it doesn't show them turn, or missing revolver shots on a moving target because his hitbox isn't where his model is, even dying from a dude shooting an rpg even though I never even saw him switch to rpg, still holding a hammer or gun or whatever.

[twilit leaf]

Disable recon until next week is it really that hard

[white lily]

Bro they need more time because if you just change 1 HP damage it causes SO MUCH. thats the problem with balancing the most people dont see. Also you have to think about how small their developer Team is. You guys just want so much from them its crazy.

[gleaming marsh]

lets remove the light class to save server space guys 🤡

[median ibex]

and while were at it we can buff aim assist

[quick coyote]

On behalf of the remaining garbage players.... Fixed your ranked skill based matchmaking... Nothing makes me want to play less than going 0-31

[jagged crypt]

seriously re work the heavy grenade launcher make it so you can choose different types of nades or it needs to explode on impact this is ridiculous man smh

[acoustic pumice]

That's not a matchmaker problem, that's a playerbase problem. they need to fix the other stuff so more people will play.

[blissful bridge]

Throwables: (This would make the NUKE! riskier to use and easier to counter without introducing another nerf to the C4 and Heavy Class.)
-Decreased Health
-Slightly Bigger Hitbox

Revolver:
-Revert Range Nerf from 1.5.5 Patch

Light Class:
-Faster Regen Time
-Add Teamplay Health/Shield Bomb (Similar to the Vanish Bomb)
-Fix Hit-Reg issues with M-11 and XP-54 (bullets don't register consistently)

Grapple and Evasive Dash:
-Reduce Cooldown Time

Thermal Vision:
-Changed to Togglable (Quick Use / No Device)

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I would like to see more interactions with maps too.
-Map Altering Destruction Points (i.e. Skyway Bridge)
-Overgrown Areas for Fire Destruction / Shortcuts Accessible with Fire
-Indestructible Doors / Control Areas (i.e. Turret and Walls in Las Vegas, Raised Bridges in Seoul)
-More Casual Interactions (i.e. Jackpots for example)
-Extreme Weather (Tornados, Earthquakes, etc.)

---

Mode Rule Variations:
There are map variations and it would be cool to see rule variations in casual modes.

QUICK-CASH
"Over-Time Rule"
During this match the timer will stop while the Cashout is being stolen.

"Cashbox Money Loss"
During this match the Cashbox will lose value the longer it stays in the field.

BANK-IT / SOLO BANK-IT
"Vanishing Coins"
During this match dropped Coins will disappear after 5-15 seconds

"No Vaults"
During this match Coins will only drop from eliminated Contestants.

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QUALITY OF LIFE

Dead Go Boom - Trophies tick down 5 secs with loud audio cue and are throwable by anyone.
Contestant Characters increased from 6 to 9
Ability to Invite Teammates into the Practice Range

Team Loadouts viewable by button press in scoreboard menu
Enemy Specializations viewable in scoreboard menu
Enemy Class viewable in scoreboard while they are dead

[daring fossil]

then the game never should have came out of beta or should be marked as early access. even the main menu UI is garbage, voice chat still doesn't work properly. a lot of issues were from CB1 and still aren't resolved. They promised us a 2023 release, and they gave us an unfinished game as a result. tbf is probably nexons doing.
Great, I never asked nor wanted to discuss this with you to begin with

[white lily]

Unfinished game haha bro. Thats crazy, watch out for help sorry, im not going to discuss with you anymore.

[rose snow]

I click open survey and it says thank you for completing the survey..? lol the site is bugged as well 😆

[tawny oak]

just played a game where i was watching my teammate and he was shooting this guy and he ended up jumping over him and ended up behind him but the guy was still facing forward and he killed my teammate with a sniper shot even though my teammate was behind him

[jagged crypt]

heavy class needs a complete re work how can a light with a sword do more damage than a heavy with a sledge. the Heavy grenade launcher is ass all someone has to do is run up on you and spray and your dead. Flame thrower should have more range its a flame thrower. Shotgun should do more damage

[quick coyote]

FFS remove nukes it's still the only thing with no proper counter

[daring fossil]

heavy sledge right-click 1-shots lights and im pretty sure mediums, but the left-click could maybe use a buff in some capacity. also the flame thrower had more range in beta and it was a nightmare inside a building, you couldn't see anything to escape.

@quick coyote carry around an APS turret on a flower pot. 😄

[quick coyote]

the cl-40 blows it up in their hands with a single “bullet” only dealing splash damage. i often team wipe this way

[vernal girder]

This three medium defib shit still ain't nerfed enough folks

[median ibex]

BUFF AIM ASSIST

[marsh oriole]

R E M O V E W A L L H A C K F R O M T H E G A M E

[plucky torrent]

Smoke needs to be thicker You (can see straight through it right now, or hide the bright highlight on enemies that are in it.)

Light invisibility did not need the penalty for activating it, rather a charge up time or a cooldown after invisibility is broken. This would add risk to using it so that people cant play like actual rats with it;.

Light health regen should either be faster of give light a gadget to make it faster, like a stim shot.

Dagger should have the yellow hitmarker when backstabning successfully.

Definulator should have been a special ability from the start. The instant revive is too much for this game.

[lapis pollen]

No dagger buff? No play!

[quick coyote]

The menus really suck on controller. If you are in a menu like editing settings and you respawn the game loses focuses and you have to actually close the whole menu rather than the game retaining the button you were on. So if I was editing my controller settings and I respawn, I'm still in the menu but now I can't navigate the menu with the controller because button focus was lost and because I have controller on, the game won't let me use my mouse to regain focus onto the button and so I have to just close the whole menu, it's so frustrating when that happens and it's not only when respawning where that happens either. The game loses focus CONSTANTLY on so many menus that it makes controller navigation hurt so much.

[royal flume]

Please fix matchmaking. I’ll gladly wait longer to have somebody on my team who actually has a rank or isn’t bronze.

[dusky portal]

Any mnk on console yet?

[stray rampart]

We need t shirts and hoodies in game with "SOON" written on it

[stark fog]

Or witht "the finals" or the sponsors like "ospuze"

[quick coyote]

Solo que is worse than it ever was, I can't believe they made matchmaking worse

[quick dew]

Riot Shield skin that’s buyable, like something cool, not just change the color of it. maybe some sort of flatscreen TV? And the bat is a remote?

[jagged crypt]

do you know how slow that swing is and how close you have to be to do it lol. the light also right click and kills in one hit and theirs actually lunges. and why are the ak and fcar the strongest weapons in the game. Heavy class needs complete re work game is not balanced should be called finals medium battle! Rocket launcher should take 3/4 health even with blast damage

[worn oyster]

put money into marketing to build oce player base up again

[stone aurora]

Lol i've hardly ever seen ppl using it but yah once or twice I've been backstabbed and once it seemed kinda unfair because I was "backstabbed" instakill but it was as soon as I turned around so not sure how it even could've counted but it did.

[broken cliff]

They should add a milsim type skin with red quad nvgs, kinda grey and black with those gloves with the reinforced knuckles, W or L

[cosmic spear]

@fickle linden Any word still on aim assist still not working below 20 meters. The bug has been in the game for the past 2 updates and still hasn't been acknowledged as "know issue" on patch notes

[plush ember]

okay this is like a small thing/quality of life but i'd love to have a weapon stat bar that can tell me how much kills or assists do i have with the gun im using
like:

AK
LIGHTS KILLED - 15
MEDIUMS KILLED - 43
HEAVIES KILLED - 7
ASSISTS - 27

[winter chasm]

oce's queue times need to be fixed, ranked is literally unplayable.

[tribal condor]

Should add a cosmetics store for the VRs since they don't mean anything if you have everything for everyone

[dark umbra]

I’m getting a glitch which makes the game think I have two weapon skins equipped at once making it so I can’t use one of my skins for that gun anymore

[rapid moss]

Why on earth did you guys nerf the .357 when it was a niche gun to begin with, but then sit there and nerf the most used gun's (FCAR) damage by 1?

No, the revolver did not get "buffed" because of the bullet dispersion fix, the damage falloff distance has made it an objectively worse gun. .357 needs a damage falloff revert ASAP.

Unironically the .357 got a harder nerf than the FCAR despite being a significantly less used weapon.

[quick coyote]

Delete and remake your contestant.

[compact sleet]

THIS GUY HAD A BRAIN!! Thanks for posting and breaking down common sense 🤜🏼🤛🏾

This feedback channel be full of bozos just crying about EVERYTHING and ANYTHING….. make rank count and mean something so the best of the best can play each other and have some fun competitive matches and not random new players in diamond lobbies….. after that send the feedback forms to the top players so the feedback is actually worth the read for crying out loud 💯

[rapid abyss]

Yesterday I answered a survey ingame that made me realize, that for me the weak point of the game are its game modes (I love the game though). So I'd like to share a game mode idea that's been rattling around in my head since yesterday evening:
Golden Goose: 1. Put the golden goose on your head. 2. Protect the golden goose until it lays an egg. 3. Team / Person with the most eggs / a set amount of eggs wins.
The trick is that the golden goose is not stationary when not picked up and could potentially even jump off players heads after a set timeframe.
If a solo mode with less camping than Solo Bank It is desired this idea might also serve for that, because the goose moves.
If I do not already do so per some contract, I also hereby transfer absolutely all rights to the above idea to Embark so they can use it.
I have no idea if this idea is good or bad in practice.

[gleaming tide]

egg throwing knife skin.
thk.

[placid valley]

BUFF RECON BUFF DEFIB
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[ebon peak]

MnK support on console please,, turn the aim assist off when MnK is plugged and let the console player decide their mode of input, just like pc folks

[vocal cave]

Not only does APS completely counter it, u can shoot it and they are insta dead

[median ibex]

BUFF AIM ASSIST

[tribal condor]

Could just be rare skins and not too many epics tbh

[quick coyote]

I need buff

[dark umbra]

I think the scar still needs more of a damage nerf or harder recoil

[teal remnant]

oce ranked is already dead, we need less amount of players to start a game

[cerulean dust]

matches start within a minute bro what

[mild pond]

@pearl kiln any plans to increase maximum controller sensitivity any time soon? please and thank you

[white lily]

Just max the Boost and Set the ramp up time to 0.0

[gleaming marsh]

make glitch stop stealing pls 🙏

[quick coyote]

Make health kit

[hallow ruin]

Buff what needs a buff and nerf what needs a nerf

[placid valley]

recon really needs a buff..

[untold pendant]

Whenever someone throws a pyro nade on a riot shield the shield acts as the surface and burns the medium without anyway to put the fire away, is this intentional? I'm curious

[violet elbow]

an actual use case for pyro nades seems good tbh, using util to counter a riot shield is fair game

[mild pond]

the look boost settings only apply to maximum stick input, your base sensitivity will still be slow af even with the boosts enabled. base sensitivity needs to be at least 2-3x faster

[amber scroll]

Add melee mode

[coral axle]

cheaters are still not gone, please fix anti-cheat

[quick coyote]

Yeah I have everything sadly. So those VRs don't do anything.

[wooden cargo]

revert revovler range nerf and dont revert the spread buff because its a single shot weapon it already shouldnt have spread in the first place

[ebon elbow]

ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSLE, adding mnk support needs to be an option, controller and mnk should not be in the same lobbies but the game is cross platform, which mean I can play with my pc friends so I should be able to plug in my mnk to compete, and if I’m using mnk I should be put in mnk lobbies, if I’m using controller I should be put in those lobbies, freedom of choice is a must if a game is cross plat, matchmaking should be better, I have to keep saying something till the devs give us a reason or just add it in

[gusty mountain]

Please remove the level cap.

[frosty obsidian]

hard agree. even if there are no rewards just let us level

[clever bone]

i disagree because it would be way less fun to unlock the new level cosmetics if you just get them immediatly

[dark umbra]

Give heavy and medium more weapons like idk a 50 bmg, claymore, and stuff

[languid lotus]

thank you for the buff to CL-40, but what we really want is the stick skin

[frosty obsidian]

thats assuming that they make new onces for level. And after 100 hours i got lvl 40 now. I think its fine if people who playlots more can go higher. Dont think it would ruin anything for anyone

[fallow gust]

Yeah you’re right bro like come on it’s a modern game with cross play Why don't you want to support mnk

[royal flume]

Please actually fix matchmaking it’s seriously worse than before the “fix”

[manic aspen]

in most cases u can kill the light even after sun gun if u aim good enough

[cobalt coral]

Whe need The finals in switch fr.

[languid lotus]

i feel the finals would be very demanding on the switch, pains to say it but part of the joy i like from the finals is how gorgeous everything looks, quality would take a big hit i think

[abstract elbow]

game still randomly crashes with a 3080

[kindred harness]

Idea:

So how finals is centered around being a VR world...

Add a "Central HUB". (Social, 3RD Person camera sort of Lounge, with our characters. Think Playstation home for a relatable reference.) Fully interactable ....er...furniture? Chairs, sofa, whatever. TV with announcer programs, ads for finals (lol) ect. Bar? Minigames? Be able to access a "Gift shop" (the store). VC, ect. LFG section of the lounge... ectect. Then, when you leave the social hub to do the "finals", have a bad ass cutscene of us entering whatever machine or whatever we use to enter the Finals, cutscene transition to us in the finals lobby.

hire me pls

[glad laurel]

YAP SESSION INCOMING
light needs buffs with the current meta, and even though i know that medium and heavy need nerfs, this is my personal idea for better balancing.

PASSIVES

passives could be something for each class that is something small that could be fixed towards the classes playstyle.
i do not have any ideas for heavy or medium yet, but because im talking about light mostly here i thought of one
LIGHT: could be faster regen and or siphon on kill. by faster regen i mean regen starts faster and heals faster as well. siphon on kill could mean that every kill a light player gets could gain said player an extra 30 HP. this would be better if light stays with 150 hp, but ill talk about hp soon.
i genuienly believe that siphon is what light needs to be a complete class. medium is good for both damage and protecting cashout, and heavy SHOULD be good for mainly protecting cashout + teammates (although heavy shotty op asf and needs a nerf), the light could be the final side of mostly being for damage. siphon allows this to happen, giving light players freedom to attack without being killed instantly.

light could use more hp (175). this would pair well with siphon because the class is more rewarding for a fragger playstyle. i strongly believe that due to less team items in the light classes build, it needs more kill capability compared to medium or heavy, and 175 HP plus siphon could be this. a fragger could use light to start off the fight with a kill and die instantly due to 30 hp siphon on kill. then heavy and medium can re-frag the light and either get a teamwipe or take cashout.
if light doesnt get siphon, it needs more team items like mines or other items; more things to protect cashout
take note that whether or not light becomes a fragger build with the siphon addition or more team items that 175 hp is definitely a must with light. currently light no matter what gun the enemies use, meta or not, kills lights too fast. so 175 hp is a must.

[woeful perch]

I love how people insta react no or "X" after 7 seconds of you posting this. There ain't no way they read it. Makes this discord feel like reddit lmao.

[cobalt coral]

fr, and nintendo switch is one of the top sealers on console.

[edgy wharf]

Nintendo switch would evaporate the second you blow up a wall

[fathom pivot]

M&K in consolesvagain, WHY NOT IN A FUCKIN CROSS PLATAFORM GAME????

[quick coyote]

Let me explain something to you as a person who plays deck-builders. Any kind of positive interaction with health at all is the exact same as changing the number value of that player’s health. Faster regen is equivalent to a boost in health, mitigation is a health buff, and so is an outright value change.

For example, the heavy’s mesh shield is, theoretically, a 375 health buff. This number is half of the shield’s value because it only blocks damage from the front. The next part of this to understand is that mesh shield is ALSO a health buff to the rest of that heavy’s team. Both micro and macro interactions need to be taken into account when truly evaluating the balance of a skill.

So having a, let’s say, 15% regeneration time buff for light along with 25 extra health actually amounts to ~145 extra health per interaction, given that the active interaction lasts for 30 seconds. You’ve said “at least the 25 health buff needs to happen”. Even just that 25 health buff averages out to an extra 75 health if you have a singular medium focusing you with healing gun. This would hands down become meta given that a light, with superior fire rate and damage, would have only 25 less health than a medium.

The light class health is balanced and I’ll continue saying it forever

[deft moth]

id rather not have "Designated fraggers", but light exists , oh well

[median ibex]

We need to buff aim assist and remove lights

[violet sparrow]

Agreed (as a light main)

[sage bison]

YES, I've been saying this, and buff recon. Why should I have to move my thumbs to aim? Why can't the game just do it for me? Genuine question

[inner nest]

Nukes should've been nerfed across the board.. explosive cannisters need to go away as well.

[torpid plinth]

where in lfg are you not seeing this? the finals released a literal month ago, do you think apex, siege, or valorant had "pro" players in the first 3 months of their existance? you're using elderly bias, you assume because these years old games have these things that they are what makes a game, they are not

You can compete in ranked and normal tournaments

Do you think the things you want just pop into existance everytime a game releases? are you that unaware of the proceesses and cycles games go through, and also unaware of your own lack of knowledge, that you still think you should be making comments on these things you clearly have no knowledge on

[ebon elbow]

ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSLE, adding mnk support needs to be an option, controller and mnk should not be in the same lobbies but the game is cross platform, which mean I can play with my pc friends so I should be able to plug in my mnk to compete, and if I’m using mnk I should be put in mnk lobbies, if I’m using controller I should be put in those lobbies, freedom of choice is a must if a game is cross plat, matchmaking should be better, I have to keep saying something till the devs give us a reason or just add it in

[quick coyote]

Open beta was better
Why getting worse🤔

[quick coyote]

its definitely crazy how these people dont realize apex died for a year before becoming a mainstay of competitive gaming

[woeful perch]

I also like to look at it as up time. Because the issue isn't just Lights die immediately. It's that for them to not die immediately, they have to play more passive much more often than other classes who can oonga boonga their way through a match. A simple regen buff isn't exactly 1 to 1 with extra health like in your example. However what it does do is increase up time. Where a flat health increase allows lights to win individual gun fights from start to finish the same way a medium does. Just stop, stand, and shoot. Which isn't bad in a sense but if they have heal beam on them, it can become a big problem where they just roll the lobby.

So while a 25 hp bump in a vacuum would feel really good yet not broken, in the grand scheme it is a big deal. Hp regen just increase overall up time in a match, which I do think is needed. Because all it takes is a random nade to maybe not kill you but take you down to half or less hp, and you are effectively out of the fight for another 10 seconds. That is one example of why light just feels really bad.

[zenith ocean]

Being able to buy items from bundles INDIVIDUALLY

[thorny latch]

or just dnt play light

problem fixed

[pliant rock]

CL40+gas mine combo is so much more viable to use, I recommend

[slim karma]

I feel that light should have a passive or gadget that makes it so his footsteps aren't so loud, I think it's so silly that you could be behind someone, fall from a tiny incline and have people insta 180 on you. This especially hurts melee builds for light.

[mint island]

Big Head mode - Boost HP by 50% to account for the Big headshot targets.

[quaint kettle]

i thought they had fixed ranked after this patch but even still as a silver 2 im going against diamonds, ive checked the online leaderboard and searched their yt's to confirm theyre diamond, idk whats going on with the matchmaking behind the scenes, but seriously embark needs to get their shit together with ranked matchmaking

[fresh python]

@hollow prawn I am now deleting the game! Since the update, I get a crash, and if I press reconnect, the game closes, and I get a ban + -1000fp. It happened ×4. So -4000FP. This is ridiculous!

[woeful perch]

Lmao you reacted to your own comment 😂😂😂. Anyways you right. The biggest mistake a light player makes in ranked is picking light in the first place.

However. The game would be much healthier if everything was a bit more balanced and not so lopsided as to what is good and what is bad.

[upper moon]

I'm talking about high tier lfg. And not about lfg on this server))) How can we compete in ranked if I play against gold every time? What can I learn? After a two-week rest, I go to play scrims, but no one plays them anymore, because all the “pro” players don’t give a fuck about the game. There were strong players in this game, but 99% of them left. And don’t tell me that the game came out recently, there have already been 363,814 beta tests. This is not my opinion, everyone who knows how to play thinks so

[torpid plinth]

The game did come out recently, the betas were test phases, not official releases, you have no fucking idea what you're talking about and it shows, you have no idea how these things happen

theres not going to be pro players, after 2 months of an official release

[abstract elbow]

I think the game is casual focused and if a competitive scene spawns from it then Embark will roll with it, however, competitive is not their first concern

[obsidian solar]

BUFF THE RIOT SHIELD:
Here's some suggestions, I know all of these together would make the shield pretty strong but even 1 or 2 would be enough to improve it so much!:

• While blocking movement speed should be the same as walking (increasing block movement speed would help a lot in pushing and giving your teammates support)
• Lunge distance (90% of the fight become a chase you can't win, the other classes have ways to block enemies, slow them down or catch up to them, even heavies have RPG to finish people off if they use sledge)
• Increase damage from 84 to 90 (to kill heavies in 4 hits instead of 5)
• Add a charge like attack, to activate it press the attack button while blocking kinda like charge N slam, of course less powerful and without the destruction effect, it would add variety, also all the other melee weapons have two attacks)

IMPROVE MELEE TRACKING:

• Some weapons like the Dagger have an insane lock that is not needed, on the other hand the Riot Shield has a very weak lock, you can't even hit people in your face sometimes. Consider increasing the angle at which the lock works and reduce the lock strenght on the Dagger

FIX THE DAGGER BACKSTAB:

• Backstabs with the Dagger are the most incosistent thing I've ever seen, a lot times either nothing happens or it's not backstab even though you're right behind them and other times it is when you're literally in front of them.
• Increase the backstab hitboxes because the latency of the servers causes this problems
• Make it so you can hold the backstab and it's not a forced animation, revert it like it was in the Open Beta

NERF THE DEAD GO BOOM:

• This event is extremly unfair for melee users, you cannot avoid it if you get a kill
• Either increase the time before the explosion to at least 3 secons OR make it so the explosions don't damage players but on the enviroment

[kindred harness]

my brother in christ, this is made with URE5, switch runs fortnite on 30 fps vs a tablet at 120 fps 😭

also, to the buff melees... sir this is a first person SHOOTER

[woeful perch]

Fortnite also doesn't have terrain destruction on the same level of finals. That is what melts people's CPU

[mint island]

Destruction is server-based, not client-based

[quaint kettle]

they're point is that high tier competitive gameplay isnt embarks main concern, which is damaging to the competitive scene as at the moment as a diamond player you can go up against any other rank, lower ranks more often than not which means youre never learning anything as your mistakes areant being made obvious.

they're not talking about actual pro players in the usual sense but rather the top 0.1%

they're point about the betas is a bit lackluster as the betas were heavily focused on removing bugs like the latency that was an issue.

they just want embark to fix comp as the top 0.1% are leaving the game

(also @upper moon feel free to correct anything)

@torpid plinth they added a patch to make it so you play with people closer to your rank, after 5 ranked games, in every one ive gone against people ive confirmed as diamond as a silver 4

[torpid plinth]

Embark seems to actually be working on that now, they just added skill based matchmaking, and we will probably see extra changes down the line, however the game really doesn't have enough players for you to always fight your same rank yet

also @kindred harness this isnt cod, melees are a valid part of the game, and melees need to be more viable

[sage bison]

Remove light, buff recon, give medium invis, BUFF AIM ASSIST PLEASE I CAN'T AIM ANYMORE

[glacial mural]

First person shooter is a broad term indicating the game involves guns and is played through the eyes of the player you control. This does not restrict the game to be specifically about bullet firing weapons lol

[tranquil eagle]

came here to say this. just got shit on and decided to check the leaderboard, my enemies were diamond 1 top 200. I'm SILVER 3... we couldn't even leave spawn. I'm so done playing this game until they fix this terrible matchmaking.

[quaint kettle]

the game is losing players quickly as it is, just go check steam charts, but the players that will stay are the competitive ones, embark needs to at least get competitive into a healthy state. really don't want this game to die

[nocturne flare]

Text chat when?

[thorny latch]

the game wouldnt die as long as they update it

[umbral halo]

Cross-play: Can you please make it input based vs platform based? (Mouse and Key vs Mouse and Key / Controller vs Controller by default and cross-play would be people with one or the other)

[abstract elbow]

updates are going out too fast, they do such minor changes yet break things in the process lol... matchmatching still fucked, crashes still happen, games with 10 teams, etc

[opal cypress]

YES

[torpid plinth]

Kinda defeats the points of bundles, these items are supposed to be more expensive

[silver pebble]

Adjust crossplay mathcmaking to make it more balanced between platforms. I'm on console and if I have only one player from Steam lobbies are only populated with Steam players. Even if we change the party host the situation is the same

[cunning cedar]

Let me buy the single weapon skin or whatever from the bundle, I'm not gonna spent 20$ just for 1 skin

[zenith ocean]

If 5 items are 5000 in total for example, buying a bundle should make you get them for 4000. THAT is the point of bundles
But if I want to spend 1000 for only one, it should be possible.
(just saying I spent thousands of euros this way to get what I want in any other game)

[naive apex]

in-game stores and battlepasses locked behind paywalls shouldnt even be a thing, dont get brainwashed by the bs of their prices when its much bigger than that

[clever surge]

2nd day, played the R.357 its depressing. Revert the fallof. My loadout just throws the game for my teammates, and it stops being fun.

[zenith ocean]

Do you feel bad for buying a t-shirt?
Now that I have enough clothes, let me spend MY money however I want lol wth is that
This is a feedback channel btw

[soft gorge]

ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSLE, adding mnk support needs to be an option, controller and mnk should not be in the same lobbies but the game is cross platform, which mean I can play with my pc friends so I should be able to plug in my mnk to compete, and if I’m using mnk I should be put in mnk lobbies, if I’m using controller I should be put in those lobbies, freedom of choice is a must if a game is cross plat, matchmaking should be better, I have to keep saying something till the devs give us a reason or just add it in

[upper moon]

I agree with you, competitive players are not happy playing against casual players (except those who want easy fame and top 500), and casual players are not happy with this either. Therefore, we are all waiting for any changes. We waited half a year for beta, now we wait another 90 days for release, it’s sad because I love the gameplay and this game

[dark ginkgo]

Weapon stats STILL lack proper numerical values beside their stat bars. Please inform UI/UX team that this is a horrid way to do things

[red shard]

Add keyboard and mouse back on console. Just add a setting that says "enable keyboard and mouse" when we enable that it'll put us in pc lobbies or whatever.

[mellow gull]

Plz talk about mnk on console
So in the recent update they removed mnk support from XBOX and they knew there a lot people asking for mnk on console. They don’t want to support the game with mouse and keyboard while we playing with/against pc players?!!

And the game on pc support both inputs without any problems at all why they following DICE steps when they don’t want to support the game with mouse and keyboard for console while we play in PC lobby??!!
Look at the other games like call of duty and Fortnite and even Roblox it supports mouse and keyboard on console without any problems. This so stupid and makes me so frustrated. 🤬
When I play with mouse and keyboard on the console the game automatically turn off the aim assist when I written and a play with the controller again the aim assist is back automatically so when the divs nerve the aim assist on console a players they delete the mouse and keyboard on the on the consoles because the aim assist is not like before so this is the devs
problem not mien ?

TALK ABOUT IT PLZZZZZ😢
#WE_NAED_MNK_ON_CONSOLS_THE_FINALS

[earnest ermine]

It's January and school/colleges are starting back up again. People don't have as much time to play as they did during the winter

That's why playercount isn't like it was back in 2023

[ebon elbow]

ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSLE, adding mnk support needs to be an option, controller and mnk should not be in the same lobbies but the game is cross platform, which mean I can play with my pc friends so I should be able to plug in my mnk to compete, and if I’m using mnk I should be put in mnk lobbies, if I’m using controller I should be put in those lobbies, freedom of choice is a must if a game is cross plat, matchmaking should be better, I have to keep saying something till the devs give us a reason or just add it in

[mellow cape]

When we can expect some optimizations to the game? Better servers, better fps? My fps is going crazy from 120 to 180 when i stay in one place with nothing happens around me. But... destructions of building cause HUGE FPS drops ... from 150+ to 70-80 in some scenarios. I have 3070 + 12700K , and i know... it's not the best powerful hardware these days, but still...

[keen steppe]

Light:
Should get faster regeneration out of combat to improve their harass-playstyle. Either shorter time before regen starts or faster regen once it has started

Or a stimshot item instead of changing the regen timer. And maybe make it so you can choose to give that stim to a teammate instead of using it only on yourself

The sniper could use some love as well. Not too sure about in what way tho, since that could easily make it too strong. Some experimentation with firerate might be a good first step imo

M11 is in a weird spot too, it technically is slightly stronger than the xp-45 up close but overall still significantly worse. Maybe enhance the close-range capabilities even more so there is a clear difference between the two

Second charge for grapple or shorter cd

Sword should be able to hit multiple opponents with the charge attack. (The reverse of heavies hammer)

Medium:
If you get defibbed as a medium you should have your own defib go on cooldown or get the glitch effect applied to you to prevent chain defibs
OR
Make it so defib isn't instant but just significantly shortens the regular revive-time. Like a sped up version of the normal revive where you'd have to keep facing the downed-player trophy

In addition a reduced effect for multiple healing beams on the same target would be good as well. One beam heals for 100%, two beams would heal for more than 100% but less than 200%

Rework recon to a have 2 charges. A charge sends out a scan that highlights players in the vicinity for a short duration (it would keep its function as an intel gathering ability without being so overbearing). Or just get rid of it and replace it with defib

Heavy:
Hammer horizontal swings should be able to hit multiple opponents. (The reverse of lights sword)

Performance:
Some performance, optimization and qol improvements are very needed as well

Melee AA should be toggleable

[misty valve]

Oce server is already dying where everyone is going to Asia to even get a match for ranked

[naive apex]

i dont buy my shit lol

[zenith ocean]

❔

[manic aspen]

healing beam my beloved

[fossil walrus]

OCE is dead on most games tbf

[upbeat urchin]

bro riot shield is already strong if you know how to play it no need to buff it

[minor kayak]

CUSTOM GAME LOBBY

A custom lobby option is needed, think of all the legendary games that had custom lobbies / community functionality, halo 3, csgo etc etc, the ability to play custom lobbies with friends is a big deal in the current market, turn xp and account stats off when in a custom game, let people adjust spawn rates and other match modifiers, this could help many different types of finals players, from content creators, to people trying to practice(or teams), to friend groups trying to have a casual tournament between themselves and you might even learn a thing or two from what game settings people are applying etc etc, its a concept that's been on my mind since launch and I think the finals could really benefit from it.

[exotic panther]

custom maps would go hard

[subtle oak]

Yes to custom lobbies! (Maybe next season in a bigger update)

And maybe a killcam. 🙂

[reef jasper]

Killcam would be incredible for some of this nonsense in the game lol (not all in a bad way)

[violet sparrow]

half health sniper dash only
sledge goo only
grapple dagger only

[shadow gyro]

not sure how but I just tripped a gas mine and the gas FOLLOWED ME

[glass sonnet]

Ranked in OCE is dying because everyone who grinds and gets decent elo ends up in lobbies with minimum 1 cheater team. It's not so much people from OCE are going to Asia to find ranked games - they're just mostly not playing any more because Embark appear to be doing nothing about the rampant cheating.

[sage bison]

please for the love of god aim assist. I'm having no fun because my aim sucks now.

[obsidian solar]

Trust me I know how to play it extremly well and because I know it so well I know its weakness

[upbeat urchin]

so you just want to make it overpowered right ? what you proposed is way too buffed

[solid narwhal]

Add input based matchmaking and a xim/cheat detection rework so we can have kbm on console!
Please and thank you.

[pliant lion]

Judging from your post this might be an unknown concept to you, but maybe just practice a little bit to improve your skills?

[glacial mural]

Same answer you can give the majority of posts in here requesting a "nerf" or a "buff"

[plush grotto]

https://t.co/SB5QOXxl4T aimlabs has a beta you can sign up for, should be released soon

I’d suggest playing 20 minutes before and turn aim assist off (don’t know if aimlabs has aim assist though)

[ebon elbow]

ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSLE, adding mnk support needs to be an option, controller and mnk should not be in the same lobbies but the game is cross platform, which mean I can play with my pc friends so I should be able to plug in my mnk to compete, and if I’m using mnk I should be put in mnk lobbies, if I’m using controller I should be put in those lobbies, freedom of choice is a must if a game is cross plat, matchmaking should be better, I have to keep saying something till the devs give us a reason or just add it in

[nocturne flare]

Text chat when?

[quick coyote]

nerf sniper pls... too op & no scope too

[lament talon]

Im sorry but that is so far from the truth. Sniper is one of the worst guns

[tepid violet]

@obsidian solar Sorry my man but it is already good now. It should make less damage than a knife, sword or hammer. You’re special power is blocking shots.

@big.oats#0000 The Problem are xim and Cronus user who play with MMK in Console lobbys with Aimassist, that’s why they deleted the option completely

[obsidian solar]

Too bad that "special power" doesn't even work well considering you're still exposed while blocking, don't talk about something you probably used one time or raged dying against so now it's "good"

[sage bison]

I don't wanna have to work. Just give it to me

[summer rune]

medium with a gm6 lynx would fit so well imo

[woeful arch]

Would love a game mode between Quick Cash and Unranked Tournaments, where like in Quick Cash you get unlimited respawns but the matchmaking would be with players who have played ranked tournaments a couple times. Quick Cash matchmaking is very hit and miss and sometimes feels like playing with folks who use it for Practice Range, and don't bother playing with objectives. Unranked Tournaments have a better matchmaking but the limited respawns take the fun off of them sometimes. Something in-between would be neat for players who have dozens of hours into the game.

[molten trail]

Also requesting that the devs add a text chat. The game can be pretty dry and lifeless without the ability to talk to other humans if you don't voice chat or if your teammates don't

[nocturne flare]

Text chat when?

[burnt lark]

The sniper could use some love tbh 3 body shots for a medium is insane, it has bad fire power, fire rate and accuracy. I think if they are set on 3 body shot kills they could atleast make it fire faster, when youre quick scoping with it feels so slow and its easy to get out of rythm. Also the accuracy while airborne is probably the worst in the game. its a lightweight childs rifle should be able to atleast be athletic with it.

[feral bloom]

Happening to my friends list also.

Also like the game is eating up my network and lagging horribly servers are getting worse and so are my teammates

[dusty moth]

Why can I never find a ranked or just unranked tournament game. Still haven’t played one since release!

[olive epoch]

still got no rank/bronze team mates when play solo q. I play dia 1 🥶

[tepid violet]

Play ranked or unranked Tournaments. The normals games are for new people tbh

[frosty obsidian]

custom games :3

[proper shale]

Preeettty sure he meant all the names being changed to contestant

@unborn steeple its a setting you can change, not a bug

[ebon elbow]

ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSLE, adding mnk support needs to be an option, controller and mnk should not be in the same lobbies but the game is cross platform, which mean I can play with my pc friends so I should be able to plug in my mnk to compete, and if I’m using mnk I should be put in mnk lobbies, if I’m using controller I should be put in those lobbies, freedom of choice is a must if a game is cross plat, matchmaking should be better, I have to keep saying something till the devs give us a reason or just add it in, if anyone else also wants kbm pls spam it so the devs can see

[vestal flume]

Did they try to fix recon being able to see invis or is it bugged? Yesterday I was picking up invis half the time the other times my recon wouldn’t pick them up when they would go invis.

[nocturne flare]

Text chat when?

[sinful gazelle]

I don’t think you know how recon works.

Recon sense only work When you or the enemy is behind a wall/Gas/fire. Either way there have to be something blocking your view to work

[feral bloom]

The mm is so bad I can’t find lobbies besides my teammates ain’t new they suck

[bold lantern]

Behind anything actually, including the weapon or gadget in your own hands. As long as your vision is obstructed by something you can see people behind it while recon is active.
It's completely viable to look up slightly so your weapon blocks the bottom part of your screen and you can see invisible players 'behind' it out in the open

[grave void]

can we have the ability to buy individual items from bundles rather than just buying the whole bundle

[tepid violet]

That’s actually a good feedback

[sick marten]

Day 4 of asking for backstabs to be fixed 🗡

[abstract patio]

since so many complain about the recon wall hacks, make the light invisible negate the recon ability. It would balance the game out better and make light more popular. Even make the team orb invis block the recon out too. it would be good

[spark sparrow]

Mouse and keyboard to console and your numbers will spring up to the roof

[rough herald]

Avatar Customization Ideas:
i know i know, the customize-ability is off the chart with your game but i still would like to change the color of some cloth pls?

[twilit leaf]

No just remove recon

[silver pebble]

Is there any AFK ban system?

[blissful bridge]

Throwables: (This would make the NUKE! riskier to use and easier to counter without introducing another nerf to the C4 and Heavy Class.)
-Decreased Health
-Slightly Bigger Hitbox

Revolver:
-Revert Range Nerf from 1.5.5 Patch

Light Class:
-Faster Regen Time
-Add Teamplay Health/Shield Bomb akin to the Vanish Bomb
-Fix Hit-Reg issues with M-11 and XP-54 (bullets don't register consistently)

Grapple and Evasive Dash:
-Reduce Cooldown Time

Thermal Vision:
-Changed to Togglable (Quick Use / No Device)

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I would like to see more interactions with maps too.
-Map Altering Destruction Points (i.e. Skyway Bridge)
-Overgrown Areas for Fire Destruction / Shortcuts Accessible with Fire
-Indestructible Doors / Control Areas (i.e. Turret and Walls in Las Vegas, Raised Bridges in Seoul)
-More Casual Interactions (i.e. Jackpots for example)
-Extreme Weather (Tornados, Earthquakes, etc.)

---

Mode Rule Variations:
There are map variations and it would be cool to see rule variations in casual modes.

QUICK-CASH
"Over-Time Rule"
During this match the timer will stop while the Cashout is being stolen.

"Cashbox Money Loss"
During this match the Cashbox will lose value the longer it stays in the field.

BANK-IT / SOLO BANK-IT
"Vanishing Coins"
During this match dropped Coins will disappear after 5-15 seconds

"No Vaults"
During this match Coins will only drop from eliminated Contestants.

---

QUALITY OF LIFE

Dead Go Boom - Trophies tick down 5 secs with loud audio cue and are throwable by anyone.
Contestant Characters increased from 6 to 9
Ability to Invite Teammates into the Practice Range

Team Loadouts viewable by button press in scoreboard menu
Enemy Specializations viewable in scoreboard menu
Enemy Class viewable in scoreboard while they are dead

[vestal flume]

I actually do, I just fucked up my wording.

[smoky gust]

"in most cases u can kill the light even after sun gun"
again, most cases, sometimes you just loose due to rng, which is an issue

"if u aim good enough"
you literally cannot aim down sight
unless you count looking towards the general direction of a player (while hoping shot will hit) as "aiming" then aim is literally out of the question

[frail terrace]

Is this still bugged? I did explosive, fire and gas damage in one round

[glad delta]

Fix Thermal Vision not showing enemies if there's no environment behind them. Please.

[reef jasper]

GIMME DAT UPDATE FOR NEXT WEEK ALREADY 😩😩😩 I want ittttt

[pine needle]

Seconding, this is awfully hard to trigger and is ambigous. Could also be a flowerpot? Does the gas itself count? We'll never know.

[scarlet dragon]

I believe you just get kicked/DC

[solid narwhal]

Add input based matchmaking and a xim/cheat detection rework so we can have kbm on console!
Please and thank you.

[silver pebble]

No I found a player afk for all the game and the game did nothing

[olive epoch]

Still got some pc players and no rank/bronze guys same ps5 lobbys

[dull hemlock]

It's the direct hits/explosions from carriables.

Solved.

[dusty moth]

Done. Servers are horrible can’t find any ranked games. This game had so much potential. They shouldn’t have added anything to it until they got it right. Anyway I’ll check back in a couple of months to see if the game still exists and is playable.

[glossy scaffold]

Hello a friends game keeps crashing when using the light pistol, does anyone else have this issue

[real hollow]

I continue to have a lot of difficulty finding a match, in any fashion 🙇🏼‍♂️

waiting a little more than 6 minutes at this point

[gleaming tide]

Add egg throwing knife skin.
Thx.

[woeful perch]

Damn you know what's funny. With people saying they are leaving because this or that. As this game continues to get patched, those people are going to be back. Saying the game is gonna die because steam numbers are lower, are you new? EA put several battlefields on life support for several years, and brought them back.

All in all, be patient. A lot of the pains will be fixed. Not sure about the aim assist and mnk for console but at the same time, wouldn't surprise me if the devs are looking into how they best want to fix that problem. Balance changes are coming every 2-3 weeks. Which is faster than a lot of games. Just be patient. If you want to take a break and chill until the fixes come, then do it. Do what makes you happy.

[manic aspen]

peak copium

[frosty obsidian]

add custom games
remove level cap

ty :3

[ebon elbow]

ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSLE, adding mnk support needs to be an option, controller and mnk should not be in the same lobbies but the game is cross platform, which mean I can play with my pc friends so I should be able to plug in my mnk to compete, and if I’m using mnk I should be put in mnk lobbies, if I’m using controller I should be put in those lobbies, freedom of choice is a must if a game is cross plat, matchmaking should be better, I have to keep saying something till the devs give us a reason or just add it in, if anyone else also wants kbm pls spam it so the devs can see

[glacial path]

add custom games

[obsidian knoll]

egg

[gleaming tide]

Egg

[livid walrus]

Deviloper all is going good but plz do some things for better results like removing old store things that you can still buy because it does not make any sense for launching clothes and skins in store , add custom game mode where we cam fight with our friends , vr currency is limited to 3000 make it unlimited and give a feature so we can use those coins to buy some normal skins of guns or clothes , add some more maps

[quick coyote]

Horrible take, a consumer friendly mechanic of keeping all store items as bundles is now seen as a negative, but free currency should be = to premium? this is bad suggestions X

[rose surge]

Egg

[grave void]

add profile customization and profile inspection

[fierce hinge]

love the games where matchmaker gives you teammates appropriate skill to you. 10% of the time. just increase queue time if needed

[livid walrus]

Bro i think you dont read what i have said 😂

[steel tinsel]

My team is on vacation and I haven’t played in a couple weeks but I’m starting to worry, people are leaving extremely fast, what happened

[shadow gyro]

beards and dogs plz

[minor wren]

I just don't get the balance, keep balancing all the guns and skills, The Finals is just going to be dead as BFV and it's close, competitive is good, but most players are just want to have fun after work. The different type of size should keep their specialties and able to against each other. Like rock paper and scissors, Heavy beat Mid, Mid beat Short, Short beat Heavy. But now everything is just getting blend and mixed up bruh

"And also the incredible massive amount of cheaters"

like FR, how possibly Heavy can be such a tank but able to instant kill every size, he's gadgets like C4 and RPG should be against with arena and buildings, not one shot every living being.

And Mid have the most massive load out, it's so solid and based, have absolutely no weakness, and have most OP weaponry: FCAR, Gas Mine, APS, Explosive Mine, Sonar nade, And THE GODLIKE DEFIBRILLATOR, with a 300 HP TURRET, A NO COST WALL HACK

The light? First is OP now is PP, got the highest risk but with mediocre reward. HE SUPOSED TO BE THE ONLY SIZE THAT CAN INSTANT KILL, because HE GOT ONLY 150 HP FOR CHRIST SAKE GOD DO SOMETHING to my lilbro.

[ebon peak]

MnK support on next gen consoles

[proven pelican]

I would love this skin but I don't want the rest of the set, shame the only way to get it is to spend 20 dollars, 18 of which for items ill never use

[sonic spoke]

Only works for those of you hit them directly with them carriable. Just grab a flower pot or chair and hit them.

[placid valley]

Recon is still breaking the game, the only difference is that now they use AKM. Trash balance since 1.5. Whoever didn't notice medium is too strong, he doesn't fit the job. The medium has been the best class since the game launched. Totally no idea how it didn't get nerf.

And the data fully shows that the only reason that player count drops is the poor balance.

@steel tinsel How do you get fun when a class rules the whole game?

I do think next week's update will help, but the reality is that the balance team made a huge mistake and didn't do anything urgent in the meantime. (like just remove recon temporarily)

Many players will not come back for a long time, the balance team almost killed the game.

[frail terrace]

Gotcha thanks!

[waxen granite]

Remove recon

[proper shale]

My brother in christ, the next update will rework recon, have patience

[steel tinsel]

Should the game be focused on fun and not on competitive? You need a strong player base to create a competitive scene, if there’s no causal players being the main base, focusing on competitive changes is nonsense. I understand we have to be patient but industry goes fast and people leave…

[gleaming tide]

Egg

[oak rivet]

Let us buff stuff with the currency u get from playing the game

[proud ocean]

Every class serves a specific role. It’s a team based game. It’s not about how many kills you land. Medium is a good support quite popular pg but heavy is mandatory in defending objectives as lights are great to steal vaults, make damage all around and break other teams strategies.

[ebon peak]

Please add MnK support on next gen consoles

[gilded ivy]

bro wtf are you on? Are you a game dev, do you know how to make games or better yet patches for them? No? Then stfu and let embark do their job stop being impatient jesus

[nocturne flare]

Text chat when?

[quick coyote]

Dev i love you

[sick marten]

Okay, heavy has multiple sheilds that they can shoot through and you cant do anything about it yet LIGHT is the problem?!

[fallen fossil]

you realize the shields have HP, and will disappear once they take enough damage, right?

[proven pelican]

my brother in christ a single glitch grenade counters a three stack of double shielded heavies

light is the one with the glitch grenade

[twilit lily]

Brother, that is the DUMBEST arguement on earth. When you go out to eat, do you need to be a chef to know if the food tastes like shit? No. You definitely do not. Just like you don't need to be a game dev to know something is wrong/broken/stupid in a game. People ACT like you do, but that's why so many devs were laid off in the industry recently. Because AI can EASILY replace them, which means their job isn't that hard to begin with. Let's calm down. Sitting in an AC'd office 9-5 making GOOD money is not a difficult task. Stressful? Sometimes. Hard? No. Not even a little.
Also, the numbers STEADILY going down, -83% of total players IN A MONTH 1/2 is a pretty big sign that the devs here also have no idea what they are doing. Apex legends is about to hit 5 years old and has 24 hour peak of 250k. THIS GAMES MAX PEAK EVER was 250k. Apex gets that everyday. So clearly, this game isn't doing well or going to last. Because the devs are clueless.

[coral knot]

I'm having terrible connection on PS5, haven't had a stable game in like a week. Hopped on to see if it's changed, and I'm still just running in place.

[minor wren]

I mean if some one can be killed with a fart in his face then he deserve to have the ability to instant kill some one. "SPY IN TF2" cough cough

[steel tinsel]

Game is GOOD. It can be fixed. It can be improved. But game industry don’t forgive, people leave and don’t come back. I fully trust Embark, I’ve never seen a company with this communication level and we should not take it for granted. Apex Legends rose many years after launch, lets trust them. Many gamer friends doesn’t even know the game, marketing is also something to be focused on. There are problems, of course, but we have to be patient and wish for the best

I’m also worried about SoloQ. If you are curious about the game and want to try without a fully committed team on discord you only encounter Navy Seal level teams with walkie talkies ready to take you down faster than me eating croissants

[obsidian solar]

It's not considering how easily counterable the shield is in this game, it doesn't even protect you fully, it's a bug there's nothing fair about it. This is not Call Of Duty

[rose surge]

Egg

[sonic spoke]

Down massively. No doubt the lack of attention to the cheating is pushing people away.

[violet elbow]

Oh no the melee weapon doesnt give you godmode whatever will you do

[placid valley]

As a player, I didn't see any emergency patch or rollback. They just leave the whole game broken. The player count drops, that's it.

How many of us can be patient? Maybe go ask those people who left? Or like me, ask the devs to have corresponding processes and security procedures in place next time instead of letting the game remain in such a bad state.

I just feel the game is sad.

[gleaming tide]

Egg

[earnest ermine]

Mesh shield is honestly a joke if the heavy doesn't have a well coordinated team and most of the time it's just a free opportunity to get closer to them. It also doesn't have as much health as you think

Dome shield is immobile so either bait the heavy to come out of cover by running away or wait for the dome to shutdown

Also light has glitch grenade which hard counters both

"YoU cAN't dO ANYthIng ABOut IT" my ass, get gud

[sage bison]

My current list, thoughts?

1. Buff recon (cry about it)
2. Remove light (useless class, only for trolls)
3. Give defib 2 charges
4. Increase iFrame duration
5. Decrease camera magnetism to 0%, and remove aim snapping
6. Disable console access permanently
7. Remove revolver so this crybabies stop complaining about it and use a real gun

[subtle niche]

Why did the revolver get such a big range nerf? At close range, where it's supposed to excel - the 1887, scar, and ak beat it. At long range, everything beats it. It wasn't that great before, but it's straight up garbage now and ruins the game for revolver mains.

[alpine jungle]

Goofy ah post

[tepid violet]

Stop trolling

[lapis crystal]

I can't agree with this. Light needs a nerf tbh

[proven pelican]

honestly cannot believe people bitch about recon so much with things like dash + sword and stun gun still in the game

[tame pivot]

anyone unironically complaining about melee weapons are people

[obsidian solar]

Imagine considering a bug fair game, where is my gadget that makes me kill a sniper 100% if i hit him once and there's no escape? Once you change the word shield with any other weapon you understand how crazy that sentence is.
"An actual use case for pyro nades seems good tbh, using util to counter an Fcar is fair game"
It's not even a soft counter but hard one that's the issue, luckily it's a bug and it doesn't always work

[marsh oriole]

R E M O V E W A L L H A C K F R O M T H E G A M E

[spare nebula]

Trash patch

[violet elbow]

pyro nades do like -5 damage total 💀

[west zealot]

Nerf the CL-40 PLEASE

[minor wren]

@earnest ermine Heavy's defensive ability is not a issue after balanced, it's good now be honest. The problem is always the offensive part, the damage is insane, the shot gun can wipe the whole team without reload, and the C4 and RPG is a LIGALIZED NUCLEARBOMB FR, and because these shit plus a Mid teammate that use a sonar and with CL-40 with gas mine? Bruh the reason why most people complain about Heavy's Shield is because the best way to counter it is by a light using EMP grenade. And no one play light because they got instant wipe out by these weapon and gadgets. So yeah this is a god damn loop that SUCKS!

[balmy orbit]

pls remove the deal 1500 melee dmg quest i dont care to play with a sword or shield or sledge

[placid valley]

Patch 1.5 is definitely the worst balance patch I have ever seen recently in so many games. It nerfed everything but not the strongest class. The devs didn't even have any emergency procedures to fix it.

[brave plover]

In case you're wondering why the fcar wasn't really nerfed... because there's no difference from 26 to 25, the damage can be perfectly divided by 150/250/350, meaning the same number of bullets are needed to kill you than before the nerf...

[ebon elbow]

ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSLE, adding mnk support needs to be an option, controller and mnk should not be in the same lobbies but the game is cross platform, which mean I can play with my pc friends so I should be able to plug in my mnk to compete, and if I’m using mnk I should be put in mnk lobbies, if I’m using controller I should be put in those lobbies, freedom of choice is a must if a game is cross plat, matchmaking should be better, I have to keep saying something till the devs give us a reason or just add it in, if anyone else also wants kbm pls spam it so the devs can see

[twilit lily]

They'll never have an emergency for them, because they are throwing out patches weekly for some reason. Instead of taking some time and just handling ALL the balance and fixes at once, they just keep drip feeding us little baby balance patches/fixes. That way it seems like they are working very hard! Look at all the weekly communication! When realistically last few patches could've easily just been one.
@ebon elbow Not going to happen. Mainly because the total number of people who play MnK on console is VERY low so even if ALL of you who do play that way came in here to complain, you'd likely make 0.001% of the population and thus opinion invalidated. Devs look at NUMBERS if they saw enough people wanted MnK support on consoles or they'd quit, they would've added it by now/put it back. Unfortunately you guys are almost non-existent and definitely not worth a devs 40/hr+ to add it back. Profits aren't there to waste the time.

[sage bison]

REMOVE LIGHT PLEASE!!!!

[woeful perch]

Lol no.

[alpine jungle]

Bait post of the hour

[proven pelican]

yall remember when all the solo queue light players were hyped for 1v11 bank it, then immediately abandoned it when they realized how carried they actually were

[minor wren]

I mean how about just increase light's HP, I mean really, 175 like cmon. 150 is like he bump his toe and just gone into pile of coins bruhhhh? lil bro can get knock out by a blow of FART, roast by the 28 degree sunlight, get blast into pieces by a pop opened chip bag LMAO save our lil bro dev plz

[tepid shoal]

Map theme ideas ig. (Which I would like to see)

Theme park

Airport

Military base

Medieval map (but it has to have a castle somewhere as the main area)

A zoo?

At least 3 more normal themed finals maps

Industrial map

Tropical island map?

Part of a city like Newyork or London perhaps or something

[fallen fossil]

imagine blowing up a giant ferris wheel

[ebon elbow]

Cod or Fortnite have absolutely no problem with having both inputs in games with or without cross play, I don’t see why they won’t add as it is a CROSS PLAY GAME, and if ur like me and play with pc friends ur at a massive disadvantage, I’m pretty sure it wouldn’t be that hard to add to the game as it is a bit glitchy but usable just not customisable

[smoky storm]

What exactly makes you think that's a bug and not an intended feature? Riot shield doesn't have HP, it not fully protecting you is fine. It doesn't need to negate all damage, just enough damage to force your opponent to reload and you've gotten a ton of value out of it.

It's a niche weapon, it's not intended to be something you run 24/7 on all maps/variants, and that's how that sort of weapon should be balanced. It's very good on some maps/variants, and not so good on others. Trying to force it on every single map/variant is going to yield subpar results, because you are forcing it for situations where it is not designed to be good. Like trying to duel a heavy with a shotgun in point blank while he's got a dome shield up while you have a grenade launcher is not going to go well because that's not what the weapon is designed around.

Or trying to use a double barrel against a sniper sitting on crane from 200 meters out and wondering why you're losing your fight. Not every weapon archetype is something you can force in all fights. Not everything is a jack of all trade weapons and that's ok.

[gaunt thunder]

lol what rank are you? Cause if you would see high elo lobby’s you would see why no one plays light it’s the worst class of all 3

[sonic flare]

I would like more life city/world maps than just vegas like maybe a subway station in Japan or somewhere in Dubai

[sage bison]

nerf grapple hook, shit is so broken, you fight with them and they just zoom away like fucking batman

[rancid rover]

Come on man…

[foggy orbit]

Why are you asserting that it's a "niche weapon"? Why can't it be something you can take on any map/varient? What's wrong with it being buffed so it can be more viable in higher levels of play? Shields are very easy to outrun and outplay, and playing with one feels very slow, even when you block your feet are easy enough to shoot. Even if you have to reload, you can quite literally run away...

[quick coyote]

Game is good

[cunning dagger]

Didn't they just improve the matchmakin?
I as silver just got matched with 2 plat1 lol

[final shore]

melee user?

[woeful perch]

Really just shows how weak lights are compared to Mediums. Like in the current state of the game, the medium weight class just plain frags harder than light class. Light is best when their team is applying pressure in a fight and they can use the chaos to do as they please. But if their team just blows, or in the case of solo bank it, if there is no team and there are a lot more head to head 1v1's then light is going to struggle. Just is how it is.

@proven pelican Just replying to your message below:

I mean what good is hyper mobile glass? That is why the majority of light players are calling for various forms of buffs. Not to take over lobbies, but to actually function as a class.

[proven pelican]

@woeful perch
light players when their hypermobile glass cannon isn't allowed to just be a hypermobile cannon

[lapis crystal]

dm'd

[slim karma]

I prefer when light is more a glass cannon instead, there's more risk but greater reward, but at the moment, they seem to only be buffing lights survivability and nerfing his firepower, light feels less like a glass cannon, and more like a weaker medium. I'd rather be one-shot to a bunch of stuff but be able to outplay it, instead of surviving with low hp.

[smoky storm]

Why is a melee weapon a niche weapon in a first person shooter?

Oh gee, maybe because it can't hit people at range and some situations favor range in first person shooters? You literally cannot balance a riot shield to be something you take in every situation in a game where ranged options exist... Same reason you can't force a shotgun in every situation.

The riot shield wins when used correctly in it's niche, just like how shotguns win against general purpose weapons if you engage in it's niche range, but if you try to use it out of that niche you will get subpar results. You trade flexibility for situational strength and use.

[mystic oar]

How do u see other ppls rank in ranked??

[drifting storm]

Fix the braindead barrel explosion exploit. In a game where time to kill is supposed to be longer, some no skill loser shouldnt be able to 1 shot you in such an easy way

[foggy orbit]

See that is your problem, you're completely oblivious to how the Riot Shield works... Just because it's only effective in melee range, doesn't make it niche, you can take flank routes or play around your team to close the distance, the issue with the Riot Shield is whenever you're in melee range, it doesn't do enough for it to stay viable, all melee weapons, and the flamethrower pierce right through the shield even when blocking and out DPS it. Not to mention you can literally run away from a shielder if they close the distance and get to you, the shield doesn't have enough utility to make it worth taking in ranked. So 100% should be buffed to reward shielders that close the distance and catch people out.

[sonic flare]

Some of this stuff in here is the saddest thing I’ve seen all day.
Seems to me people want to nerf and buff the things they can’t counter against, which just tells me you’re probably bad at the game.

1. Light uses “hit and run” tactics
   Evasive and grapple are actually justifiable and should be left alone maybe a cloak cooldown as a slight nerf.

2. Lights needs faster health regen time but no more extra health is necessary.

3. Maybe input m&k for controller players and have them play against pc only no exploits. Cause some will try it.

This comment section is gonna get more and more picky and obnoxious as time goes on and tbh that might be a good thing considering the devs are actually getting shit done.

[shell lotus]

And you think your problems are more important the ours? Like get a hold of your self this is a laugh feedback group who are you to say what devs have the for and what they don’t have time for, I’ve looked on so many places (tiktok, Reddit, here,) there’s tons of people who want mnk support, your just negative towards our cause, how will you feel if I told you your problems doesn’t matter when this is a place to maybe get heard? So just be quite stay out of our way cuz our problems don’t concern you

ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, adding mnk support needs to be an option, controller and mnk should not be in the same lobbies but the game is cross platform, which mean I can play with my pc friends so I should be able to plug in my mnk to compete, and if I’m using mnk I should be put in mnk lobbies, if I’m using controller I should be put in those lobbies, freedom of choice is a must if a game is cross plat, matchmaking should be better, I have to keep saying something till the devs give us a reason or just add it in

[quick coyote]

I’m going to repost a message I made earlier today in response to the light regen comment; it would be really nice to nip this misconception in the bud

Any kind of positive interaction with health at all is the exact same as changing the number value of that player’s health. Faster regen is equivalent to a boost in health, mitigation is a health buff, and so is an outright value change.

For example, the heavy’s mesh shield is, theoretically, a 375 health buff. This number is half of the shield’s value because it only blocks damage from the front. The next part of this to understand is that mesh shield is ALSO a health buff to the rest of that heavy’s team. Both micro and macro interactions need to be taken into account when truly evaluating the balance of a skill.

So having a, let’s say, 15% regeneration time buff for light along with 25 extra health actually amounts to ~145 extra health per interaction, given that the active interaction lasts for 30 seconds. You’ve said “at least the 25 health buff needs to happen”. Even just that 25 health buff averages out to an extra 75 health if you have a singular medium focusing you with healing gun. This would hands down become meta given that a light, with superior fire rate and damage, would have only 25 less health than a medium.

The light class health is balanced and I’ll continue saying it forever

[sharp acorn]

Fix teams literally joining a new match missing a player!! Remove FP loss for teams that have a leaver. I actually don't believe for a single second devs look in this channel so they're probs not even gonna see this. this is a huge problem for ranked.

[plucky torrent]

Smoke needs to be thicker You (can see straight through it right now, or hide the bright highlight on enemies that are in it.)

Light invisibility did not need the penalty for activating it, rather a charge up time or a cooldown after invisibility is broken. This would add risk to using it so that people cant play like actual rats with it;.

Light health regen should either be faster of give light a gadget to make it faster, like a stim shot.

Dagger should have the yellow hitmarker when backstabning successfully.

Defibrillator should have been a special ability from the start. The instant revive is too much for this game.

Guardian Turret should have to "reload" after shooting 50 or 60 bullets.

[smoky storm]

How am I oblivious? I understand how they work completely, which is why I understand it's a fucking niche weapon, not something that is capable of being a jack of all trades. You don't even understand your own argument at this point. You are wasting both our time.

@obsidian solar by your own admission, you've stated you force riot shield in every single map and every single variant, so no, you don't know fucking shit, lmao. You want it buffed because you constantly use it in places where it has absolutely no chance of being good and find it weak.

The FCAR is good in every situation, because it's a general purpose weapon, not a niche one. It loses to niche weapons, for example, shotguns, if it engages in their niche(aka cqc where the shotty has a piece of cover to play around), however. Because in their niche, niche weapons are better than general purpose weapons, but general purpose weapons are good/ok in all situations. Whether the FCAR is too strong from a numbers perspective or not is up for debate, but talking about the weapon archetypes I genuinely BEG you to google the definition of "niche". I'm talking right past both of you because you literally do not understand the fucking word.

@foggy orbit I responded to what you said before you edited it, so how about you go fuck yourself. Fucking edited your comment and then tried to pretend I made a strawman.

[obsidian solar]

Say something I don't know next time thanks, I never wonder why I lose against a granade launcher at long range, I know how to position myself in every map and situation, I'm not new to FPS, I adapt based on the situation, it's you who has no shield knowledge. Also the Fcar is good in every map, how about that? My feedback comes from using it constantly, you say i should use it in close quarters and flank and that's what i do but when even in situations where it's suppose to excel It doesn't that's where the problem is

@.walk.#0000 you underestimate people and you think your argument is superior, you know nothing about the shield and the way i play, you haven't seen me, you literally think i run in the open like an idiot and complain when i get kill from distance which is not the case, i complain when i die in situations where i should have the upper hand. If you kill me from a roof with a sniper or Fcar i might get angry (that's normal) but i'm not saying it's the shield fault, however when i die upclose because of x issue that's not suppose to be there then yeah it's the shield fault

[humble nest]

Please fix aim assist on targets closer than 20 meters. There's no aim assist at all, like it's a bug, it shouldn't be like this. You can feel something on further distances

[foggy orbit]

When did I say it should be effective at all ranges or a jack of all trades? I am advocating for it to be better at close range because it already loses out to so many weapons in CQC. "Blocking" isn't good enough when you can be shot in the feet and arm easily and be completely countered by every other melee, flamethrower, or simply running away. Instead of trying to strawman my position to make yourself look smart, why don't you try and engage with any of the issues I mentioned in my previous message. Or you gonna make up another non-sensical excuse?

Edit: Turns out @smoky storm would rather block me than engage with the points, childish mentality indeed.

[daring fossil]

I mostly agree, but as someone who has 400+ hours using the grapple, it needs the cool down reduced by like 3 seconds.

[worn crane]

Nuke.cum

[sonic flare]

I think light health is perfect like you said it doesn’t need to be changed or increased but if they decrease the regen time by a 1 or 1.5s I don’t think that will have a big effect on engagement. 9/10 you’ll probably die anyways. Or alternatively like the guy said above add a stim into the game but if they do that people would be like: Oh Stim its OP needs a nerf” I keep dying blah blah blah

Idk what to say on grapple tbh other than leave it alone

[keen steppe]

I agree that light doesn't need a flat health buff, that would be over the top. However a regeneration buff to either the time it takes for it to start or how fast it regenerates once it starts is a good way to help the class out without buffing it too much like increasing the dmg of the weapons. It's supposed to be the annyoing mosquito that gets picks here and there but since Lights health is so low if you get hit for a bit you are mostly out of the fight for 10 seconds. A buff to regen would alleviate that and put the class more in line with it's supposed role.

Alternatively a stim shot that would quickstart the regeneration at the same rate or faster could be a way to avaid changing regen based on class. Making it so that this stim shot can be used on teammates would also make Light more of a teamplayer than it is now.

Otherwise, and I know this is a hottake, I believe taking one aspect of medium and giving it to light would be a good idea as well. Could either be movement (jump pad and zip line) or recon (recon sense and recon nade). Mostly because light could use some team oriented gadgests and medium already has too many.

[smoky storm]

healing beam:Heal from two beams DOES NOT STACK. Healing is paused for 1/8-1/4 second if target takes bullet dmg. Help prevent mercy healbotting cosplay. environmental/gas/fire dmg does not trigger cd

Remove/nerf Recon: #👂┇game-feedback message
nerf/rework defib:#👂┇game-feedback message

Glitch nade explodes on impact with shield, player, or equipment.otherwise regular fuse

db shotty rework:#👂┇game-feedback message

1.5-2x Dash range
2 charges of grapple hook

Gadget/C4 Nerf:#👂┇game-feedback message

Option for "sprint always enabled" / auto sprint, or sprint/sliding interaction reworked(Please see this video, where it is described in detail https://youtu.be/tdOKEgrwZHc). Currently movement is pretty good, but also a bit awkward from a control perspective due to how sprint and slide interact. It could be massively improved via updated controls.

option for dark flashbang

Please give alternate team colors, colors are hard to distinguish

Allow for separate Jump/Vault keybinds on MNK

Using scroll wheel for jump/vault causes inconsistency, please fix/address

Improve subregion matchmaking(always low ping)

built in performance and network indicators FPS, ping, packet loss

Input based matchmaking: #👂┇game-feedback message

In ranked mode, all teams start with 10k, instead of 0(more stakes when fighting early)

Option to disable TAA and all anti-aliasing(I beg!)

Visual Clarity and gunsight fix:#👂┇game-feedback message

ladders do not autoclimb,require pressing "use" key

event suggestions: #👂┇game-feedback message

[quartz girder]

fix voice chat on xbox, buff all the single shot guns, especially the revolver range - come out with some new maps - don't nerf c4

[brave plover]

In case you're wondering why the FCAR wasn't really nerfed... because there's no difference from 26 to 25, the damage can be perfectly divided by 150/250/350, meaning the same number of bullets are needed to kill you than before the nerf...

[dense marlin]

It would be really really cool if yall can add outer deadzone in the settings for controller

[blissful bridge]

Throwables: (This would make the NUKE! riskier to use and easier to counter without introducing another nerf to the C4 and Heavy Class.)
-Decreased Health
-Slightly Bigger Hitbox

Revolver:
-Revert Range Nerf from 1.5.5 Patch

Light Class:
-Faster Regen Time
-Add Teamplay Health/Shield Bomb akin to the Vanish Bomb
-Fix Hit-Reg issues with M-11 and XP-54 (bullets don't register consistently)

Grapple and Evasive Dash:
-Reduce Cooldown Time

Thermal Vision:
-Changed to Togglable (Quick Use / No Device)

Riot Shield:
-No Movement Penalty while blocking
-Damage increased from 84 to 90

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QUALITY OF LIFE

Dead Go Boom - Trophies tick down 5 secs with loud audio cue and are throwable by anyone.
Contestant Characters increased from 6 to 9
Ability to Invite Teammates into the Practice Range

Team Loadouts viewable by button press in scoreboard menu
Enemy Specializations viewable in scoreboard menu
Enemy Class viewable in scoreboard while they are dead

Color Wheel for Cosmetics (primary, secondary, and accent)

[humble nest]

Please fix aim assist on targets closer than 20 meters. There's no aim assist at all, like it's a bug, it shouldn't be like this. You can feel something on further distances.
Please acknowledge the issue or at least let us know if it's intentional, everyone on console and PC is suffering from this

[shell lotus]

ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, adding mnk support needs to be an option, controller and mnk should not be in the same lobbies but the game is cross platform, which mean I can play with my pc friends so I should be able to plug in my mnk to compete, and if I’m using mnk I should be put in mnk lobbies, if I’m using controller I should be put in those lobbies, freedom of choice is a must if a game is cross plat, matchmaking should be better, I have to keep saying something till the devs give us a reason or just add it in

[eternal apex]

Hey contestants! We refuse to remove recon because we must give bad players an advantage! Not that they need one of course because we already protect them with skill based matchmaking. Thank you for understanding we don’t give a shit and please spend more money in the store!🙏🏼

[sharp acorn]

make throwing/trolling punishable

[waxen granite]

Remove recon is going to kill this game

[woeful perch]

Aside from absolutely blatant cases, can you tell the difference between someone trolling and someone making a mistake or misplay? How often do you think people will report someone who makes a mistake, albeit possibly a major one even thought they weren't intentionally throwing or trolling?

[sonic flare]

I think were hitting the same stuff on the head here as far as light health regen but I don’t think evasive and grapple need to be buffed or nerfed anymore

2. I think someone mentioned swapping jump pad and some stuff between medium and light which would just kill movement all together. Im pretty sure devs took this into account when creating these three classes. I think gadgets are fine respectively maybe add a stim if necessary to light. Idk how I feel about health bomb and shield to light though 🤔

[sand sable]

Fix the matchmaking your update changed nothing

[nocturne flare]

Text chat when?

[cerulean zephyr]

Please add a setting in the menu to disable navigation (on console) using the analog stick in favour of the D-pad, I'm struggling with stick drift and navigation is a pain when I have to constantly fight stick drift (No! I am not spending upwards of 70 dollars for a new controller.)

[humble nest]

Please fix aim assist on targets closer than 20 meters. There's no aim assist at all, like it's a bug, it shouldn't be like this. You can feel something on further distances.
Please acknowledge the issue or at least let us know if it's intentional, everyone on console and PC is suffering from this

[cunning dagger]

Fix the fucking ping. Player just fucking gets stuck in middle of the game and you just can't do nothing

[reef jasper]

Egg?

[alpine jungle]

Egg!

[fallow gust]

Please add mnk support on console because we need it and because it’s a cross platform game

[raven hatch]

ban players who are leaving ranked early/ THANKS

[half swallow]

@pearl kiln @rare spear please restore keyboard and mouse support on consoles for us. Address us about your reason for removing it from the game and if it will be restored in future updates. So we can know our fate about the game and it will be a good decision if you restore it back into the game. For fairness don't allow keyboard and mouse users to turn of crossplay.

[bleak coral]

and then you have the fcar, still outperforming niche weapons in their effective range.
when i use it i feel dirty, people die so fast it feels like cheating

@half swallow xbox and playstation require to be able to turn crossplay off, so that's why.

[quick coyote]

pls dont tag the devs, they have taken that feedback already

[feral bloom]

Issue @fickle linden

[nocturne flare]

When text chat?

[plucky torrent]

Smoke needs to be thicker (You can see straight through it right now, or hide the bright highlight on enemies that are in it.)

Light invisibility did not need the penalty for activating it, rather a charge up time or a cooldown after invisibility is broken. This would add risk to using it so that people cant play like actual rats with it;.

Light health regen should either be faster of give light a gadget to make it faster, like a stim shot.

Dagger should have the yellow hitmarker when backstabning successfully.

Defibrillator should have been a special ability from the start. The instant revive is too much for this game.

Guardian Turret should have to "reload" after shooting 50 or 60 bullets.

[nimble steppe]

Plz talk about mnk on console
So in the recent update they removed mnk support from XBOX and they knew there a lot people asking for mnk on console. They don’t want to support the game with mouse and keyboard while we playing with/against pc players?!!

And the game on pc support both inputs without any problems at all why they following DICE steps when they don’t want to support the game with mouse and keyboard for console while we play in PC lobby??!!
Look at the other games like call of duty and Fortnite and even Roblox it supports mouse and keyboard on console without any problems. This so stupid and makes me so frustrated. 🤬
When I play with mouse and keyboard on the console the game automatically turn off the aim assist when I written and a play with the controller again the aim assist is back automatically so when the divs nerve the aim assist on console a players they delete the mouse and keyboard on the on the consoles because the aim assist is not like before so this is the devs
problem not mien ?

TALK ABOUT IT PLZZZZZ😢
#WE_NAED_MNK_ON_CONSOLS_THE_FINALS

[humble nest]

Please fix aim assist on targets closer than 20 meters. There's no aim assist at all, like it's a bug, it shouldn't be like this. You can feel something on further distances.
Please acknowledge the issue or at least let us know if it's intentional, everyone on console and PC is suffering from this

[sacred siren]

• make cute turret skin (idk googly eyes, cat ears or something, or a skin that changes the sound that turret makes when locking on, or even better an egg themed turret skin)
  • or knockoff r2d2 skin for turret that makes pew pew sound :o
• add color options to clothing (i.e. giving other color versions of the career unlockable items)
• add option to roll up sleeves on some cosmetic items to show the wristband/watch
• namatama themed cosmetics that you can start unlocking with VR's after lvl 35/40 :
• add this skin to the shop from the official art #official-art message (its a f2p game, give us actually good skins so you can make money and we can support our game without feeling like we're just donating money for subpar skins)

[nocturne flare]

Text chat when?

[daring adder]

Never gonna happen, would be brain dead move from the devs

[willow laurel]

Matchmaking is still miserable, how can I still have bronze allies in platinum 1 lobbies ?!

[vernal ermine]

please let us use k&m on ps5 in the finals

[strong vessel]

Match history somewhere in the menu

[tough crest]

@soft gorge

[quick coyote]

Sword Lights be dashing like they're playing Bloodborne.

[fathom gale]

Bloodborne is amazing.

[ebon elbow]

ADD MNK SUPPORT TO CONSLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, adding mnk support needs to be an option, controller and mnk should not be in the same lobbies but the game is cross platform, which mean I can play with my pc friends so I should be able to plug in my mnk to compete, and if I’m using mnk I should be put in mnk lobbies, if I’m using controller I should be put in those lobbies, freedom of choice is a must if a game is cross plat, matchmaking should be better, I have to keep saying something till the devs give us a reason or just add it in