👂┇game-feedback

[versed wave]

I've been playing on Steam Deck without issues

[edgy wharf]

It's bannable

[tired girder]

Any fix for the finals over heating the ps5? I've cleaned my ps5 and it's the only gsme it happens with

[subtle tree]

Ever played Blacklight: Retribution?

[quick coyote]

That game is so old.

[placid valley]

No, the devs, the gods, listen to me. I beg you buff recon.

[hybrid siren]

tomahawk gadget

[stone crown]

EAC is usable via Proton now and The FInals runs through Proton Experimental. So no more bans

[rustic rampart]

maybe just for some 1 spec, nothing is wrong with double grapple or double invis yk and also it's not really possible if u just start out your game and you only have one spec available yk @proven pelican ye your reply is fair tbh yeah

[proven pelican]

that's why, by default, you have 3 classes unlocked, so you'd never be locked out

also, only locking specific specs would be the devs admitting some are overpowered, it will be all or nothing if they end up doing it

[reef jasper]

Buff light.. it needs it so dang badly for ranked

[oak lily]

what makes light weak?

[south granite]

how do we report bugs? or can someone lmk if this is a known bug or just part of the game? Basically, someone threw a pyro grenade, killed me, and my teammate went to grab my idol in the flames and when he came out with it, it was still on fire and it eventually killed him.

[quick coyote]

nothing at all. people just love to complain instead of improving

[outer kelp]

Uk how you make light better? Nerf heavy. Shit takes 300000000 bullets to kill someone

[reef jasper]

nerf recon

[cunning cedar]

*REMOVE Recon

[sour bane]

Ranked solo Q Light player here, around mid Gold right now:

• Light and Heavy actually feel fairly balanced. They're not weak, but may feel "weak" because Mediums are that much more versatile, high DPS, and have high team utility
• no FPS game should have cross-map wall hacks as an ability. It's that simple. Lion from Siege, Bloodhound/Seer from Apex, UAV/AdvancedUAV/Sonar in CoD - none of these game's "wall hack" abilities are close to as strong and uncounterable as Recon Sense. As veteran BF devs, the decision to leave Recon Sense as it is is disappointing to say the least. I wish we can have some communication regarding this specific ability.
• FCAR has a bit too manageable of a recoil and a bit too high damage. Compared to the XP from Light, it has just a little less DPS power, on a class with 100 more HP
• 3x Medium running 3x Defib is akin to fighting 3v6 in any given team fight (more w/ Turret @ 200 HP). You need to take down not one, not two, but all three Mediums to guarantee a number's advantage. Not even Mercy when she was most strong with her Ultimate buff (she could rez 3-4 players in rapid succession) felt this overbearing. At least you only needed to kill one Mercy, not three.
• Turrets should be disabled when a Med dies
• RPG/Nuke nerfs feel good. You still die to them, but you are seeing it significantly less even as Light in Ranked.
• Light could use more team utility; in a team game like The Finals, being DPS-only feels a bit awkward. Glitch Grenade requires a coordinated 3-stack to take full advantage of. I'm not even asking for anything super strong, just give Light another gadget that offers more team utility other than "click left mouse button and aim for the head"

Overall, this game is super fun! It is very addicting, and I've dropped almost 100 hours on it so far. I think some tweaks would make this game not just fulfilling for casual players (which I think it's in a good spot with) but also sweaty ranked players

[edgy herald]

The cloak is bad because med is just overtuned and light has 150 hp, otherwise if you put cloak on med with 250 hp people would be losing their minds worse than they are over recon.

But than you run into the problem where people want light buffed in various ways since it's not bring played, but if light is buffed invis needs to be nerfed, and so invis is so gimmicky that if it's ever better than evasive dash or grapple, itll just hold back light, yet it doesnt provide the same skill expression that a dash or grapple does, like you cant simply counter a dash by being better at the game and more aware of your surroundings, which will make invis utterly useless and just a pub stomping ability. And broken is actually not a term meant for over powered stuff but rather things that are game breaking like something that either consumes the meta for a particular class inna game or is so trash it never sees use, so while it's not op, it may be broken.

[alpine jungle]

As many have previously said i think Glitch nade should blow up on impact

Good luck on the solo Q's

[hallow ruin]

The cloak ability is actually fine right now and will be fine after the recon nerf(if ever happens).

Its an ability that helps a light player survive and escape from people, but it isnt just press Q to escape.
The cloak ability can be seen easily if the person who is using it moves. The thing is - its use is to make others loose focus from him for like 2-5 seconds so light would hide/get back to team.

It is not broken ability or an op ability- there are a lot of things that can detect light besides a player with open eyes.

P.S. plus the sound the cloak makes when in use is sooo frikin loud that sometimes I cant even hear me shooting cause of some light runnin around doin a fucked up helicopter noise.

[quick coyote]

SOPORT?

[inner quiver]

Light needs more regen

The only thing you can do as Light is to charge in a fight, kill or chip the enemies, then get out. But due to Light's very low hp and the amount of util that gets thrown randomly around in a fight (bombs, fire, poison, mines, turrets), you essentially have to play perfect in order to give value to your team. So getting back into the fight faster to prevent it from being a 2v3 would make Light more playable.

Light also offers no team util except for Glitch Nades.

[quick coyote]

PREACH brother. 🙏

[edgy herald]

Think about the inverse tho, imagine if the game was entirely made up of sword players and someone brings a gun in, I'm sure the guy with the gun will have a much better advantage as they mow everyone down. And people would lose their minds simply because it's something different killing them, like you have the advantage in that engagement and you lost, I mean I'm sure you've also killed tons of sword users in your time playing and you just dont think about it, and you also die a hundred times to people that beam you in the head with a sniper or blast you in 1 shot with a shotgun too, but because it's more common you just go on with your day but the sword player comes in and gets you with this aggressive unique playstyle so you pay more attention to that death and get more salty about it than that fscar guy that killed you 10 times because they had better aim lol

[dreamy river]

how do yall offer a crossplay game but don't let console players use kbm makes no sense, the game is fun please add kbm support back

[marsh oriole]

R E M O V E W A L L H A C K F R O M T H E G A M E

[quick dew]

Quick marketing tip, the battle pass should be 1100, not 1150. Player has 50 left over, make nothing in the game cost 50. 75 at a minimum. Make the lowest pack of multibucks have 50, e.g 450. Players will buy a pack of 450 so they can use the extra 50 from the initial purchase, or it feels like a waste.

Source: Marketing major

[quick coyote]

Doesnt help that crossplay is broken so you can't turn it off even if it says off.

[fallen copper]

More details for the houses on Monacco, theres nothing to base callouts on and every house is identical. Same for some areas on throughout where each floor of a building is identical.

[quick coyote]

Yeah, the idols to respawn people can be lit on fire to do that. Fairly certain that's intended since it's been that way since launch. It just caught on fire since you were in fire where you died, like carying a fire/poison barrel after it's damaged (or other props on fire).

[edgy herald]

Idk I think if light becomes meta itll feel like what I witnessed when I played with my friend the other day in bank it where everyone was running cloak so it was just miserable, I mean it felt like we were just playing peekaboo with the ghosts from Mario 😂

In isolated instances where you face light occasionally like in ranked it's fine and with recon you really rarely see it but when an entire lobby is all invis it's just insufferable, I honestly prefer facing tripple defib with heal beam lol

So if it became meta, I would just hate my life in this game I think, but that could also just be a problem with letting anyone pick what they want but i dont wanna see this game implement a role queue, I rather them just remove or rework the few abilities that suck when stacked and invis will prob always suck when stacked same with recon, while I can see defib and heal beam being limited in ways that prevent stacking.

Bascially let's not restrict the playerbase to continue harbouring toxic abilities majority of the community hate like what overwatch has done where they limit the players time and time again for crap like brig and orisa.

[quick coyote]

the best way to balance this game’s specializations is to make them all invaluable picks. in a world where everything is meta, everyone who complains will be wrong

[placid valley]

Nope, I want defib + recon + fcar + self-healing if possible. kill all lights

[alpine jungle]

power-creeping is just as bad

[slender thunder]

congratulation guys the cheater still here, still no region lock still nothing, no other server other than asia idk why people think asia is small but nice work guys just let the cheater evolve good job everygame with cheater very nice

[hallow ruin]

If u think about it
Anything in this game that js stacked is strong against a team with diffrent utility
3 turrets + mines is basically ana additional team
3 mesh shields + 3 doom shields is basically undestroyable unless glitched
3 healing beams + 3 defs is basically a team of 6 people
3 charge n slam mean there will be no map and chaos will rule
3 goo guns mean there will be no movement for any1
3 grapples + 3 snipers is just annoying
3 dash + swords = annoying to play against but this is weaker then the rest on this list
3 invis + stun guns is also super annoying to play against but is weaker then some other on this list
3 recon = gods.

[lusty gull]

I'd love to see a 1v1 gameode, or even 1v1v1 to play against your party members
Preferably a quick cash styled gamemode
That way you don't have to play co-op with your friends but can instead train your personal skill 1v1 (or even 1v1v1)

[quick coyote]

would you like to explain why? in my mind, you can only take one specialization and if everything is as invaluable as anything else—we wouldnt see much 3 stack meta

[edgy herald]

Yes and most those examples make the game fun, like 3 charge and slam heavys is what we should want because it really brings out what's special in this game, but stuff like tripple recon or tripple invis change the game to drastically, like with recon you no longer wanna really move much, you just wanna take it slow and always try to be quicker on the draw than people that literally see your every move, it like actively discourages the fast pace destructive nature of the game, or invis also turns the game from a shooter to a horror game 😂 I'm just again walking around checking everything corner, and scared to really blow up a house because blowing up a house causes chaos and who thrives in chaos? Tons of invisible players so as heavys me and my friend didnt wanna koolaid man through any walls that game, we just sat in our shields and gunned them all down as they were all to scared to push us and we were scared to move incase we got pushed by 3 or 4 Invisible targets at once, it legit was the most boring match I had ever had in my entire time playing the finals so far.

And another point is most stuff that's stacked is easy to counter like turrets is shut down by a single glitch nade, or if you toss some normal nades or c4 onna barrel into the room it just shuts them all down and actually encourages you to destroy the map to beat them, and 3 goo guns also plays into the theme of the game still. So most stuff when stacked isnt bad I dont think and even is more times then not the reason the games fun

I think the devs gotta ask themselves what they want the identity of the game to be and really focus in on that stuff and personally since the literal biggest achievement of this game is that they managed to make real destruction, I think they should make sure the abilities that would encourage the fast pace destruction are always more popular.

[random rain]

Anybody else getting a bug on Steam where you quit the game, but it like stays open in the background? Steam will say it's still running as well as task manager...

[past flame]

Custom lobbies and the ability to create maps would allow for this game to reach new levels of heights. Allowing for the communitues to use the destruction bases of the game to create mini games/custom maps/ custom game modes would be 10/10

[reef jasper]

FCAR
MODEL SHOTTY
RECON
DEFIB

all still untouched and need balancing

[jagged vector]

I didn’t understand why everyone was mad about recon until I started playing a bit more and was being pre-fired at behind walls as I come around them because someone’s using recon I definitely think that it needs to be Nerf distance, wise kind of like how bloodhounds ultimate is in Apex. The light class I think is pretty well balanced I don’t normally play them, but their abilities are fairly good. I do think that they need to either take out like grapple and add ability that’s more team, based or even gadgets that are more team based because sometimes I’d like to play as a light, but I feel that I’m not helping the team at all. With that being said, I hope they Nerf, the cloaking a little bit where you use more of the ability up when you first hit it and it doesn’t come back as fast or have a a cool down after hitting it so instead, lights aren’t just popping it And shooting you and then running behind a corner as you chased them and popping it again, standing still, and just stunning you going behind you and killing you other than that, I think the lights are well balanced. Also they need to something about zens cause if you play the game with one and think you are good at the game you’re really not

[quick coyote]

Switch the game mode names around. They'd fit better.

[marsh oriole]

L E T S K E E P W A L L H A C K A N D K İ L L T H E G A M E S O D E V S C A N L E A R N S O M E T H İ N G

[hybrid hull]

customs are needed so bad this game finna die quick without it or good competitive matchmaking fr

[proven pelican]

give us a legendary skin for the riot shield, all the other melees have one

[edgy herald]

Light is the teams flank, your goal should be to buzz around your team and strike targets they get into fights with, that's their team utility is being able to quickly take offangles and strike from difficult angles at inconvenient times to your enemy, it's why lowkey the throwing knifes are one of lights best weps, you just wanna hit big bursts of dmg to weaken as many targets as possible for your team and since you can easily land shots with the daggers while mid dash it allows you to be hyper nimble while hitting alot of players, ofc they suck inna 1v1 so most dont use them and say theyre trash but when used to benefit your team they actually are quite great.

[alpine jungle]

Well if everything is good that’s great but that makes annoying things more prominent and if everything good is nerfed then we have destiny 2. I think having a meta isn’t a bad thing

[arctic acorn]

Day ??? of asking for the sound issues (Directional Audio and Sound Cancelling) to be fixed so that dumptruck heavies can't literally walk right behind my teammates with nukes lmfao.

[cloud jungle]

would it be too strong if light had instant health regen when out of LOS of enemies
if so, maybe like a 3s delay

[reef jasper]

recon isnt countering cloak.. what it's doing is allowing people to stare at a wall and prefire someone who doesnt also have that ability. Also allows a recon to brainlessly chase somebody cross map...

this game is a chore to play with 10/12 players on medium every single match

repititive and boring with recon, defib, fcar, model shotty, and more just left completely unchecked

makes you wonder if devs even read our feedback (they dont)

[inner quiver]

Grapple is even more useless as most cashout fights happen indoors/close to medium range

[hearty hound]

Ngl I find grappler kinda useful becoz of the mobility u get

[brave plover]

MPs are Not the same since Patch 1.5.0 , they feel so inkonsistent, please fix this :/

[edgy herald]

I seen someone have the take of giving light the fastest regen, med the second fastest and heavy too have the slowest and I think that's genuinely a great idea.

[cloud jungle]

medium and heavy should have the same, medium is already the most busted class by far

[quick coyote]

Should make lights have no-cliping as an ability, and heavy can have god mode.
Just need to finish recon and give it an auto-aim function.

[reef jasper]

Medium is horrendously overpowered

FCAR , model shotty, DEFIB, recon, recon again, recon again again, all need extremely hard nerfs

At this point though … y’all gonna kill your game with this BS

10/12 players on average on medium in ranked rn… it’s boring and redundant gameplay based solely on information given through recon

[velvet spoke]

The last update is horrible performance wise on PC , never had lag stutters or others ,
with the update I can't even pass the starter menu

[edgy herald]

Well I'm sure you wont be saying that after the next patch or two, after all the commotion in this chat about recon, defib and heal beam I think med is gonna be hit hard, I mean when you start getting hashtag movements for a nerf it's pretty much set in stone that its happening lol

[proven pelican]

turn off crossplay

[cloud jungle]

god i hope so

[blissful bridge]

I trust Embark to balance this game without removing or over-altering existing weapons and abilities while keeping faithful to the gameplay and style that they have envisioned for it.

[white sky]

nerf turret hp

[gritty garnet]

GAMEMODE SUGGESTIONS
King of the Cashouts (singular cashout, using the same one each time)

• Permanent Events (Events lasting the entire match)
• Tournament Bank it (Like tournament but bank it instead)
• Wrecking Crew (Performance based on doing destruction to the maps the most wins)
• Prop Hunt

NEW MAP SUGGESTIONS

• Retro mega mall complex (arcades, food courts, stores, play area, skatepark/drive thru theaters)
• London 1970s
• San francisco 2010s (the different elivations could make for a nice gameplay)
• Nice(french town) 2000s

[edgy herald]

I wish I could say the same and it's not to fault the devs either but what you're asking for is probably impossible, I mean how do they keep the vision and style without removing stuff that actively goes against it?

The problem this games facing rn has been faced by almost every comp shooter game to have ever existed, and they always end up ruining the vision due to an inability to accept they sometimes do have to outright remove certain things and in some cases they remove the wrong things and completely screw over their game to maintain something tiny like overwatch changing the entire format of their game instead of reworking a single hero, and then they reworked that hero anyway after changing the entire format lol

[proven pelican]

"but what about but what about-" shut up, stop whining and use your controller

[uneven prism]

any idea when will some new gadgets be added especially for heaviesss

[celest abyss]

Bruh

[molten horizon]

we need to be able to se all contestants in solo bankit to be able to report cheaters

[foggy ginkgo]

Thats literally the best solution for people who wanna play mnk on console. Dont get why people are mad at this

[wooden stump]

Please add a country selection blocking feature.

[reef jasper]

remove recon

[sudden marlin]

PC crybabies everywhere

[manic aspen]

Every single opponent in my matches is using quick melee macros, nice @quick coyote

[celest abyss]

Just use PC bro

[foggy ginkgo]

Not everyone can afford a pc

[naive vine]

ADD CONTROLLER AUTO RUN PLEASE

[heavy gorge]

Real

[placid valley]

I trust Embark will buff recon and make recon great again

[pliant lion]

• Light needs another very slight buff in weapon damage so they can actually win some gunfights, especially the V9S. M11 and XP-54 are debatable but I think they'll benefit from a tiny bit more damage.
• Medium either needs to have the defib as a specialization and/or the healing beam should not stack if multiple beams are healing one player. Also, either get rid of the invincibility after the defib or let us be able to shoot through the player that's being revived, so it's harder to ninja revive players and have them be a human shield.
• Recon senses should either be a couple of charges of sort of a "large radius sonar grenade" effect (so one pulse, showing the location of players at that time instead of "live") or it needs to have a minimum range so you can only see the general direction a team comes from. Last one would be more than enough to still have an advantage when you're defending a cashout, without it being full-on wallhacks at close range.
• FCAR should do a little less damage (1 or 2 more shots to kill) and have a slightly larger magazine (24 or 25 bullets) to counter that change. It'll increase the TTK of the weapon without making it useless.
• The Goo gun shouldn't lock you in place without the possibility to shoot back. Either the goo should break as soon as it touches you (instead of after 1 second or something), it should actively push you out so you can't get stuck or you should be able to shoot through the goo and do (maybe even reduced) damage if you're stuck inside it.

[woeful arch]

😤 The matchmaking keeps queuing 2-people teams in unranked tournaments, which is incredibly unfair seeing other teams are full. Could 2-people teams have shorter respawn times to make up for their handicap? This feels like a double pain, especially as Embark insists on giving penalties to players who leave games that are obviously a loss from the first second they join such imbalanced teams.

[brave steppe]

I feel like something is wrong with the dmg i keep getting one shot or two shot and i normally do a decent job ate the game when it comes to killing people and living but im just struggling to do either of those so im not sure if something is wrong with the game or me :/

[ebon elbow]

Add mnk to consoles

[idle totem]

Something I wish would happen is that ennemy Defib revives would be shown in the killfeed. I got surprised way too many times when 2 ennemy i just killed pop behind a building.

[soft gorge]

Now imagine that for 3 years... BF2042 for ya 🤦🏻‍♂️. People have been asking for MKB support on consoles since before launch and they simply don't care. It's infuriating.

[bleak quiver]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksBj-dBOIFw Devs need to watch this video tbh, perfect analysis from an experienced eSports commentator of the viability of the game as an eSport and how to make it better

[blissful bridge]

Embark should remove ranked mode and separate themselves from the competitive player base.

When the players can only play a game for fun and not be focused on wins or ranks, we will find a way to balance the game without destroying it.

Competitive gaming is toxic and ruins the enjoyability of games.

EDIT:
I'm having an absolute blast playing casual modes, and it seems to me that most complaints stem from ranked.

Ranked complaints shouldn't change the identity of the game.

[fallow loom]

ive encountered 12 cheaters in 5 hours today and i will keep reporting everytime i encounter one edit:very nice indeed XD

[glass sonnet]

Oh, so there are fewer than usual today? Nice!

[delicate notch]

I would totally love a mode where I can add up to 9 or 12 friends to fill a game and just play Bank It or Quick Cash. A Private Lobby. Currently, as far as I know, there is no way to play against friends other than getting lucky being matched up against each other.

[gritty garnet]

i feel like the watch could be put in the wrist category, and maybe combine pet category for shoulder items in general perhaps?

[abstract elbow]

Do reports not do anything? Guy named RRR (RandomRig#7281) aimbotting blatantly in game, is 7500 in world just going 30-0 in games and some how not banned?

[sudden tangle]

hopefully this week light can be made viable in competitive

[manic aspen]

skill issu i guess

[pliant lion]

Only way this is possible IMO is to nerf recon senses, nerf the TTK of the FCAR and slightly up the damage on the light weapons. #👂┇game-feedback message

Light isn't going to be viable as long as you get prefired by FCARs before you come around the corner

[placid valley]

See you in the Finals 2, if there's a next game

[ornate pewter]

Light is kinda strong still in team comp and on console , but i can see it alot weaker on pc.

[molten trail]

it's a cringe new quick melee exploit ppl are abusing, they all deserve bans.

[lapis pollen]

no dagger buff no play, palworld is waiting me

[frail prawn]

I hope this really don't happened, balancing things its alright, but its supposed to be a fun game and e-sports are everything but fun, every esport game ends up with a super sweaty community following only meta and being salty by just trying any weapon that is not in meta, I have played a lot of e-sports games but I did never had that much fun like I had in The finals all CS, CSGO, R6S, LoL, Halo 5, all of those games are supposed to be fair e-sports but those are also the most salty and boring games I have ever played and I really hope that doesnt happends to The Finals, the game doesnt need to become an boring e-sports to be good

[tall shuttle]

whats MISSING_ANGELSCRIPT_CALLSTACK? im having that error every time i play :[

[cold pilot]

its a bug, but
why does he try to get closer to the enemy in gun shooting game? 😂

Keep social distance and everyone will be fine

[molten trail]

Well i play heavy atm and mediums often just sprint into my face into my mesh shield and spam the quick melee exploit and kill me in like 1 second, it's broken and a bug and everyone who's abusing it should get banned. It encourages ppl to also make ballsy plays like that they wouldn't otherwise

[royal fractal]

Dagger backstab is doesnt have crit indicator anymore like it used to. It bugged

[trim swift]

Need to fix cross play off not working properly. There are still PC players in the lobby every match even though cross play is turned off on the PS5. Need to fix ASAP among many other things like ak bullet bloom.

[frail prawn]

Skill issue for sure

(this players should be banned)

[valid night]

you can do 1 damage nerf on fcar but it will not change ttk, the right way should be nerf it's recoil, and light weapon are too short on range so instead of buff damage they should buff range. recon should be remove and replace with defib.

[plush plaza]

• ranked mode is too easy, its just play X hours to become diamond
• no content after finishing BP 🙂

After you reach diamond and complete battlepass there is essentially no reason to continue playing. Ranked should be way more difficult than it currently is.

[reef jasper]

Top players in my final and guess what? triple recon.... this game is tragic at best

[pliant lion]

I'm not talking about 1 damage nerf, I'm saying the FCAR needs 1 or 2 more bullets to kill (let's say a medium). That would change the TTK as you almost never hit all your bullets. Up the mag size so don't have to reload every second and it'll be more balanced IMO

[worthy helm]

REMOVE RECON

[echo socket]

EMBARK Feedback:

• bring duos to both current modes and add TDM permanent mode. PLEASE I BEG YOU!

[graceful hollow]

invite to finals oce server?

[granite lava]

South Africa has unplayable lag and a huge gaming community. we need servers.

[manic aspen]

it's india server not oce

[ornate pewter]

Overall love the game and the feel of it! Like most weapon but some need abit of buff like grenade launcher on medium just 4 bullets and really slow and cant kill enemies compare to other guns and cant break walls either. But 8/10 in fun and potential!

[celest abyss]

I think the game should have a gunsmith

[pliant lion]

What? Maybe you should read my original suggestions. The FCAR is broken atm, that's why I'm using it 😂

I'm suggesting to nerf it because if you hit all your shots you can absolutely beam people into the shadow realm

That said, maybe a slight reduction in fire rate is enough to increase the TTK

[blissful bridge]

If you hit all your shots with ANY weapon it can beam people into the shadow realm.

[astral seal]

dude if u nerf ttk of fcar then ak becomes way better

[waxen vault]

Fix the rank system please, I can't be asked playing against a full team of top 500 lpayers in gold 3

[neat siren]

Interesting, mine still works fine.

[valid night]

the problem of FCAR isn't the fast ttk it's too easy to handle increase recoil is a better solution. back in OB when AK was much easier to control than FCAR, most people choose AK.

[pliant lion]

Not necessarily, the recoil/spread of the AK makes it difficult to hit many shots at range, so as long as the FCAR is still usable at range it has its use. Increasing the recoil would make it less useful at range.

The AK could be for short/medium ranges and the FCAR for medium/longer ranges. That way you have a choice between kitting yourself for shorter range engagements or longer range engagements. Depending or your choice you'd need to change your playstyle and for example you'd be at a disadvantage if you encounter an AK at close range with the FCAR. Upping the recoil on the FCAR would just make it an AK with fewer bullets and more damage

[lament talon]

I main medium and I would remove the being invincible for the first second after defib cus that's unfair

[placid valley]

I suddenly thought of something interesting. If we can't accurately record wins and losses, the team's perception of balance for this update might just be their own subjective opinion rather than adjustments based on actual win rates. lol

Or even worse because probably half of my daily tasks aren't logged and updated correctly. They have 0 correct data to balance the game.

[granite lava]

Glitch grenades should destroy gadgets like turrets

[echo socket]

EMBARK Feedback:

• bring duos to both current modes and add TDM permanent mode.
• change KDA. Remove assists complete and give credit to all players that helped confirm kill. Could potentially encourage objective game mode instead of players ignoring said modes.

[main pond]

Nah honestly for Fcar I think a headshot multiplier reduction, and a shaper range dropoff would be a better compromise without destroying the guns ttk

Maybe even a slight recoil pattern nerf (cuz it's way to easy to beam even past 50+ meters)

[topaz kiln]

Asia server is plagued by hackers. 2 out 3 matches we face hackers in asia server. Please update your anti Cheat because its very frustrating to play against hackers. If u need any proof i have recordings. please do look in the matter asap.

[valid night]

remove recon replace with defib. roll back lh1 to OB version

[sand sable]

Remove the aim assist nerfs from update 1.4.1 on console and fix crossplay being permanently on ffs

[neat siren]

Add Auto-sprint and Killcam, please

[lament talon]

All the COD and Apex hackers are here rn

[dull hemlock]

You are kidding yourself if you think people won't just optimize the fun in casual modes if there's no ranked. They already do as is, it's just less common. People will intrinsically favor the things that give them the best chances, the way to handle it is to keep the outliers from being too broken to keep them from being too frustrating to fight. As it stood nukes failed at that (and are much better now), but recon still absolutely fails this test hard.

[pliant lion]

But wouldn't that make it "too close" to the AK though? In my opinion it would be ideal if both weapons were different enough to warrant a different playstyle. FCAR would be better for longer ranges and be considerably worse at shorter ranges, while the AK would be better at short ranges but fall on its face when shooting anything at a distance.

This way there would be ways to counter both weapons. Engage the FCAR at short range to outgun them and engage AKs at longer ranges to outgun them.

[eager flax]

FEEDBACK
Please give chinese their own servers so they can hack their life in it and stop ruining the rest of asian players.
thats the only feedback 🙂

[sand sable]

Remove wallhack ability

[blissful bridge]

The only thing recon needs changed is to make it non-togglable.

This would stop spam scanning and make it's use more tactical.

I have no issue with recon users in casual modes.

If recon is changed or removed. The meta in ranked will move onto another ability and players will cry until it is also removed or changed. The meta will never be defeated and the changes will destroy this game's style and identity.

Recon needs to be made non-togglable for it to be properly balanced.

[fallen copper]

77🗣️🔥‼️

[gentle dome]

REMOVE THE RECON!

[abstract elbow]

Realistically, what games make sense to place top players vs bottom players in the same game? How does it make sense? Why can't you see friends ranks outside of the final screen in a game? It makes no sense.

[manic prairie]

im so sure all these cry babies who complain about recon is invis users....can you guys stop complainig? i dont see problem,i hate when people say skill issue but this time i say its skill issues...all day yesterday i use heavy and i really dont see problem with that...you can clearly hear when someone use it...its only problem when you want to run with invis and bc invis exist it should stay in game! so either remove both or people should stop complaining.......

[gleaming marlin]

Skill issue

[hard badger]

hahaha actually you need wallhacks to make kills, is that right?

[molten trail]

i'm a recon and heavy user and i still think recon is the most op thing ingame by far, it needs to go

[astral seal]

add placements for ranked pls dont make us grind from b4 😭

[shy epoch]

**Get rid of 'The Dead go boom'. **

1 enemy ran in to revive another, that enemy ran to our team & instantly died & caused a triple kill. Both teams got team wiped, Enemy team spawns closer to our objective. Gets the steal & we go from 1st to 4th in Ranked play.

[earnest ermine]

YET AGAIN I PRAY FOR 120HZ SUPPORT FOR CONSOLES

[dull hemlock]

It still gives you an insane amount of info due to the map wide nature of it. Its cooldown is only ~20s IIRC from empty, that's still a huge amount of up time on the whole. The issue is not purely the toggling of it, the entire design of it is inherently flawed. Essentially free wall hacks with zero counter play outside of listening to the obnoxious SCHWSH sound is not counter play. Recon still absolutely fucks you over even in casual modes, hearing the SCHWSH as your team is trying to recover just makes me sigh at this point.

Recon is hugely problematic with how much it neuters many other tactics that aren't just pure gunfights. If you want to play just a straight shooter, that's great, but there's plenty of options that aren't The Finals. Seeing more and more wonky plays lose their capabilities solely because the recon user knows you're there with the sledgehammer about to break the wall, they know you're climbing up with goo on that building, they're tracking down your last teammate to deny them the clutch, they're prefiring on your poor light so they instantly get deleted around that corner, etc.

It gives away your ambush, it prevents you from setting up early, it tells teams where you're going with the vault, it tells you who is at a vault, it tells you where you're defending the cashout, etc.

Recon makes the game less fun even beyond all of the balancing concerns. If you don't get this, we're never going to see eye to eye but I'm throwing this out there in general for the people who don't get why recon is such an issue.

@manic prairie Obviously I main cloak, right? https://i.imgur.com/oDimgg1.png
(We can also ignore that I play medium and heavy about 90%+ of the time, details)

[outer iron]

I suddenly thought of something interesting. If we can't accurately record wins and losses, the team's perception of balance for this update might just be their own subjective opinion rather than adjustments based on actual win rates. lol

Or even worse because probably half of my daily tasks aren't logged and updated correctly. They have 0 correct data to balance the game.

[somber inlet]

Rebuff aim assist a bit and remove recon

[pliant lion]

I think there's a place for an ability like recon senses in this game, but not in its current form. Having a live feed of where everybody on the map is at all times is stupid, but I think it can be balanced if it's a pulse (like the sonar grenade) and it gives you for example two charges without recharging in between uses. This way you can see where people are for a short while without being able to track their movements every step of the way.

Also you should see when you've been detected by the recon senses so you can actually try to counter it. If it works in a similar fashion to the sonar grenade pulses and you know when you're detected you can also try to get your enemies to push a certain area while you flank around or something.

Right now there's no way to know if you're detected and no way to counter it.

[gleaming frost]

How is the game going on consoles since you gutted AA to nothing

[abstract elbow]

Why havent you requeued? Sometimes it bugs, always requeue if its over 8 mins

[blissful bridge]

I think making it 30sec cool down would be fair, but you just listed all the ways it helps counter other tactics which is it's literal function.

It's supposed to be used to counter ambushes and scan objective areas.

If it's non-togglable with a 30-sec cooldown it would be used much more sparingly making it more situational.

If they're hunting down the last member of a team, they only have 5 seconds to track before they lose them and have to wait another 30 seconds for cooldown. This gives the running player ample time to escape and is not OP.

Where it stands as togglable makes it to where the can scan almost indefinitely which is not balanced for recon senses.

It's a fun and cool ability that can be made balanced without changing it to a ping or limiting it's range.

Recon Senses needs to be made non-togglable.

[manic aspen]

how much combat score per kill?

[ornate pewter]

I play on ps5 and it goes well i dont have any issue regadring to AA, i vote for remove of Recon it becuse i agree with down below on the topic

[dull hemlock]

"Fun and cool"

It's a literal wall hack ability. It's about as boring as it gets. We're not going to see eye to eye if you think an ability that hard counters the best aspects of the game (AKA the sandboxy nature, the destruction, the variety of approaches) is a good thing.

Making it non toggleable would certainly be a start, but it wouldn't come close to fixing it.

EDIT: Or just keep instantly doing "Stop" and "No" reactions in the first 30 seconds, clearly you're coming at this from an honest discussion standpoint 🙄

[quick coyote]

Rework Recon by

Make Recon DETECT contestants OUTSIDE the 30-50 meter radius, it would still be a great ability to keep Skirmishes checking on but not free wallhack

I would like it to have 2 mode, Recon Mode (the first mode), and Anti-Breach mode ( basically make it detect everything that make too much sound within 7-10 M)

Of course the number of this concept could be tweak

[pliant lion]

I agree with the range part. If you can only see enemies > 50-ish meters away you can prepare if they're coming to your cashout without being able to track them all the way to a kill. It'd still be valuable information because you know approximately when to expect them and what direction they're coming from.

Maybe this could even be achieved quite easily since the tracking already gets more faded as they're closer, so with some tweaks the silhouettes could possibly turn into screen wide colored stripes between 30-50 meters so you can only tell what general direction they're at.

[blissful bridge]

I can emote react how I want to express my opinion. I read your message and disagree.

It's a fun and cool ability to have in the game and needs to be balanced without removing it or altering it's function into a "ping / sonar" style or debilitating the recon user by showing their location.

There's a reason why the Embark, which are the developers themselves decided to create it as an ability in their game.

Recon Senses needs to be made non-togglable with a 30sec cooldown.

@bleak coral prove I do instead of throwing out accusations as an attempted insult

[bleak coral]

just reveal the person with recon to the whole lobby whilst they have it active, so you can then counter-play recon by avoiding LOS

@blissful bridge looks like u crutch recon lmao

recon can choose when they want to see the lobby, and when they want to be hidden. at least would make recon think about when to use their ability, rather than just waiting for cooldown..
all other abilities have the decision of "when do i use this to make it most effective", no matter the state of recon - if it doesnt reveal the user, it doesnt rly matter as its only effective when you dont have LOS on ppl

if it just has a plain 30 sec cooldown non toggle, u just wait for ppl respawn, then use when respawn - no thinking required

[sand sable]

Remove the aim assist nerfs from update 1.4.1 on console
fix crossplay being permanently on Nerf dead go boom
Remove wallhack ability

[solid narwhal]

Add input based matchmaking and a xim/cheat detection rework so we can have kbm on console!
Please and thank you.

[keen steppe]

"There's a reason why the Embark, which are the developers themselves decided to create it as an ability in their game."

That's not even a remotely valid argument. There is a reason for anything in the game because the devs designed it that way because they thought hey this could be fun and should work out and enhance the game in a certain way. That is not always the case tho since the devs are only humans and can misjudge an ability.

So once it turns out that their theory on how it will enhance the game is wrong either by it not being fun or just overpowered. It is absolutely understandable to first slightly adjust it. If it still ruins the game then vastly changing that ability or flat out removing it if it cannot be changed in a way that would lead it to enhacning the gaming experience is the only right decision left. It doesn't matter what they intended it to be when they first thought of it since what they thought can vastly differ to what it turns out to be.

[sudden tangle]

good times playing a top 90 the finals streamer team, 6x predator in apex while I have a teammate that's in gold... (I'm plat 2). Made it to the finals, but it was impossible to push them with their infinite knowledge recon wallhack bs c4 oneshot heal insta defib cringe comp. I'm outta here, tried to give the finals one last go but holy fk is it impossible to actually play this game competitively.

[molten trail]

just remove recon instead, simpler fix, no point in trying to fix something that shouldn't exist to begin with

[abstract elbow]

Las Vegas is an awful map, please try to change my mind. I don't see any positives

[pliant lion]

With recon senses increase the range at which a player turns into an unidentifyable glitchy blob of team color (to, for example, 30-50 meters) so the user can only see what general direction a team is located instead of the exact location where a single player is located. Players closer than, say, 30m can just glitch the entire screen in their team color so the user knows somebody is close but doesn't know their exact location.

Long range "scanning" would still be possible but at close range you're forced to use sonar grenades which can at least be countered.

[obsidian solar]

Can "Dead go boom" be nerfed? It's literally a spit in the face to melee players, just simply increase the time before the explosions, 3 seconds would be enough to get away

[red knot]

MPs should do 1 or 2 points less damage and
tasers should stun you for 3 or 2.5 seconds.

[blissful bridge]

That is why I'm arguing for it to be made non-togglable with a longer cooldown.

It will make it's use much more strategic and situational having the recon user think about when to activate it.

You can already predict spawning locations in this game. It's not OP to see a team 200+ meters on the map.

People can cry "information" and "wall hacks" as much as they want too.

It's only OP because it's togglable and that's the truth.

[teal oxide]

Honestly, Dead go Boom might as well be removed. It's either completely inconsequential if you're ranged, or annoying as all hell and potentially unfair if you're melee. All the other events affect everyone in some way.

Either that, or rework it by jacking up its structural damage hard and effectively removing its player damage; then it can cause plenty of chaos.

[cosmic spear]

Recoil on mnk is WAY too light compared to controller. There's already A LOT working towards mnk in this game but the fact that recoil can be completely canceled on mnk as well with jitter aiming makes this a serious problem

[quick coyote]

crosshairs are banned

[dull hemlock]

The next patch could honestly just be massively nerfing/removing/reworking recon and removing dead go boom and I would be a very happy person.

For an added bonus, backhand low gravity into the trash where it belongs as well.

[solid kernel]

The shotgun on medium feels really clunky since the reload takes so long and is hard to interrupt. So much time is spent reloading compared to actually firing the weapon and it hurts its performance in fights while making it less fun to use.

Maybe firing and ADSing both having priority over the reload animation would make it feel more fluid and usable?

The same can be applied to the medium grenade launcher and, to an extent, the light shotgun.

[bleak coral]

agreed, but doubt thats even on the table - so we have to discuss how recon should be, as its almost certainly not being removed

@blissful bridge it will make it a little more strategic, but again - most cashouts have 2-3 main spawns. recon uses recon when they spawn - sees their spawn, sees the other teams at other points. prefires and beams one of the team - whole team dives and wipes them... waits until they spawn - activates recon.
problem isnt solved.
or, recon activates when team spawns - team can see recon as they have recon active, both recon and other team prefires each other - team just spawned win as focus fire. then team can push against the slight advantage.

or, recon activates when team spawns, but doesnt peak as whole team can see them and they will die. gives whole team 1/2 seconds more to reposition and have a slight chance to push obj, recon activates again at wrong time and in open - dies to whole team.

making recon visible is the only counterplay, every other meta ability in the game has counterplay - not recon. and theres no counterplay, unless you have a recon that gives comms. or you can make recon visible when they use it, so there is some counterplay

idk theres not much else apart from making the recon ability useless so that no one picks it, or making there be counterplay. otherwise its still going to be a problem

[paper charm]

Hi. Is it normal that when i go to play matchmaking against me i get a streamer team with a full team of diamond 1? I have gold 1 and my teammates have silver-gold.

[blissful bridge]

The counter play is time itself when it's made non-togglable with a longer cooldown.

They'll only have a few seconds of sight before they're blind again and this changes the whole meta to recon which is spam scanning.

I don't think adding a handicap to recon by making the player visible when active is the way to go. Too many games have abilities which debilitate the player in some way and I'm happy this game is trying to be different.

This game has strong abilities without debilitating the player using them, and recon is out of balance but the nerf it needs is to be made non-togglable with a longer cooldown.

There are far better ways to balance without removing or completely changing an ability.

@quick coyote is that really the only thing you can do is try to insult me by assuming what I play?

I don't play recon, and I don't have a problem with others using it.

[quick coyote]

"It's not OP to see a team 200+ meters on the map."
Yes. Yes it very much is.
You can't play without recon can you.

[molten trail]

it should be removed, idk why you're so confident that it won't be removed. a lot of ppl including myself will just get bored and quit the game eventually if everyone has legal wallhacks and u completely kill certain playstyles such as flanking or sneaking or hiding. it's not fun otherwise

[quick coyote]

Unbug Aim Assist on console

[teal oxide]

The counter play is time itself when it's made non-togglable with a longer cooldown

I'm not sure what you think the word "counterplay" means, but "just wait it out lol" certainly does not fit the definition of it. By that logic, fire doesn't need to put out gas because "time itself is counterplay" and you can just wait out the gas cloud.

Time isn't counterplay, time is a cost. Every second you spend waiting something out is a second you're not making progress towards the objective, which will continue to tick away as you wait.

@proven pelican It might be a way to deal with abilities in many games, but it is, by its very definition, not counterplay. Waiting is an entirely passive act; you're not "countering" anything, nor are you "playing" much. You're sitting in a corner and doing nothing for however long it takes until the ability you're trying to sit out expires. Your opponent has now effectively removed you from the game for X time with a simple press of a button.

[pliant lion]

I don't expect them to fully remove it either, but as I said I think it can be balanced quite easily. If they just increase the range at which a players silhouette turns into a glitchy blob you can't track everyone through the walls anymore. Within a certain range the ability should only tell you IF there's anyone close and not their exact position.

Adjusting it to single-use and a higher recharge time isn't a solution IMO as most triple stacks will just run 3x recon senses and alternate who is using it. If the recharge is 30 seconds and the use time is 5 seconds you're still being detected 50% of the time if there's 3 mediums with the ability.

[smoky root]

كفو

[neat siren]

Is that a snake?

[sand sable]

Remove the aim assist nerfs from update 1.4.1 on console
fix crossplay being permanently on Nerf dead go boom
Remove wallhack ability

[proven pelican]

"wait it out" is an extremely viable counterplay in many situations in games. wait out an enemies bulletfire to attack while theyre reloading, waiting out special abilities (i.e recon) to remove the advantage it gives, wait out ultimate abilities in games like overwatch and titanfall

I can assure you "waiting it out" is the fucking duct tape equivalent in a gamers tool kit

[velvet moth]

What is it really recon for anyway? Counter cloak light hability? I don't see many lights in ranks anyway. So, to me it's the same as wall hacks, you know the enemy movement preventing any strategy and that's an advantage that It can only be countered by other recons. That's the boring part, playing against teams of double or even triple recon because that's the meta if I want to compete.

[subtle oak]

Rename the tab to Recon arguing

[shy epoch]

Why the hell am I Finding Diamond ranked players when I am only Bronze 1

[cosmic star]

cause its kinda broken same here on Silver

[molten trail]

Imagine you're in a 3vs3 final round and your entire team dies. The enemy team with recon will immediately call out your spawn location the second you spawn. Common FPS tactics like ambushes, flanking maneuvers, stealth, etc., are rendered ineffective, despite being key elements in every FPS game in existence. This takes life and strategy out of the game because recon literally is a wallhack feature, which every cheat has for a reason because of how OP it is in a thousand different ways

The enemy team doesn't have to sit on rooftops and have good game sense; they don't have to rely on audio or play carefully. All cautious play is bypassed because they have a "tap Q for wallhack" feature.

Even if recon is not togglable, the enemy team will just wait until you respawn before they activate it to see everyone's location. Literally changes nothing in the end. Recon is ruining the game, and even if there were arguments for keeping it around, it makes the meta very stale and boring, and I'd rather have any other meta than fighting against people who know where I am 24/7 which makes reviving or flanking or hiding difficult.

[quick coyote]

please add an option to avoid players as teammates. even blocking doesnt stop afk people to be on your team

[earnest ermine]

I don't give an airborne fuck about recon just please give us 120hz support for PS5/Xbox series X

[bleak coral]

you pretty much just said to me "counter-play is non-toggle with longer cooldown".
counter-play is not cooldown. counter-play is whilst the ability is active. again, it doesnt stop the scenario i said - you use it to get an easy kill or 2 when a team respawns, then by the time they respawn you have it again. theres no counterplay to that. waiting for cooldown? ppl will run 2 recon. same problem - only thing to counter it is to reveal the recon user.

@molten trail should be removed. what i said: "almost certainly not being removed"
because it most likely wont be removed, just like weapons wont be removed, and cloak wont be removed.
i agree, i want it removed - but cmon be realistic, very unlikely to be removed. stop huffing that copium.

@pliant lion yeah thats another way, someone suggested just having bars on the sides of ur screen so u know if someone is to the left, right, above, or below you.. which does solve a lot - though i feel the main use of it atm is to see where teams are fighting and if ur getting prefired. it solves half the issue, as it will be harder to prefire ppl - but i feel it would gut the ability too hard and make no one pick it anymore (which isnt what the devs want). so that would require a lot of fine tuning.

personally i do feel like revealing the user is the way to go.. everyone would dive that mo fker for using recon and it means as recon you could also outplay them by using recon to make urself visible to bait them...

[blazing python]

i would like to know if people on my friendslist are ingame or not.
I am sending out request to join my team, but I dont even know if they are ingame or not.

[blissful bridge]

The counter play of time is that the ability is no longer togglable and isn't indefinite.

I guess you would W key into an objective contested by 2 other teams instead of "waiting it out"?

@proven pelican you said it best, "waiting it out" is an extremely viable counter play in many situations.

@velvet moth You'll be in here crying over heal beams and defibs when they become meta after recon is fixed.

Another ranked player wanting to change the game.

Competitive gaming is extremely toxic to balancing an enjoyable game.

"X item is meta in ranked, please remove/change it so I can win."

They literally don't care about the style of the game and helping to craft it.

After Recon is changed or removed the meta will move onto another combination of abilities and they'll cry about those until the game plays nothing like it was originally intended.

[proven pelican]

Ye, I'm surprised such a simple and effective concept seems to be somewhat lost in translation as "doing nothing" and even getting countered yourself

[velvet moth]

No, I won't be crying, I only complain recon. And didn't answer, what do I counter with recon? Everything?

[quick coyote]

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[unkempt basalt]

Defib is already meta and heal beam is arguably as well..

[dull hemlock]

Except the game currently isn't even playing like they intended. The game was very clearly meant to be played as a sandbox game utilizing the destruction elements to maintain objective control.

Not hide and seek tag with recon users chasing you down, or being stuck in a protracted gunfight with the 3 FCAR mediums camping a rooftop while you struggle to do anything that isn't a straight gunfight yourself.

Recon is literally killing the game as the devs intended, don't sit there and claim to speak for them when all of the media around the game and descriptions of the game emphasizes the sandbox nature, not wall hack shootout bonanza.

[molten trail]

Revealing the user's location doesn't sound like a good idea to me. Do you really want to constantly see players through walls whenever someone uses recon? It's visually distracting and silly, would lower game performance, and there would seemingly be no clean option to disable it when you don't care for that information in the middle of gunfights especially. You would also have teammates complaining and being toxic because you're giving away your team's position, and lower ranked players would accidentally grief games.

If recon really had to stay, these would be my recommendations:

• Make all player holograms white so you can't tell which team they're on, thereby reducing the value of the information recon gives
• Make it only work within 20-30 meters (within audio cue distance)
• Make it work like thermal vision so you can't tap it on and off, with a long cooldown
• Make defib a specialization so people are forced to pick between recon and defib, which also makes defib less OP so every medium doesn't have one as a "must have" gadget

Alternatively, add a "recon bow" that you can shoot through windows and it'll stick onto an object and work similar to sonar grenade, which would be more skill-based, strategic, and interesting imo and finally add bows to the game which a lot of ppl have wanted.

[autumn widget]

For the recon bow you might as well make it the tracking dart rework and a bow weapon would be nice

[bleak coral]

"doesnt sound like a good idea to me"

lists the worst changes possible to completely gut the ability and make no one pick it

its almost as if u dont want recon in the game and dont care about anything else..

maybe dont be apart of the conversation 🙂

[blissful bridge]

Glitch Grenade
Glitch Mine
Sonar Grenade
Flashbang
Motion Detector
Dart Gun

All of these can shutdown, blind, or counter track.

You could try not running straight to the team you know has recon and instead flank and strategically attack from above / below or when they are in a fight with another team.

I haven't said recon in it's current form isn't broken.

It needs to be made non-togglable with a longer cooldown for it to be better balanced as an ability.

@unkempt basalt the meta is recon and it's easy to see from the amount of ranked complaints, we can worry about removing heals and defib after we destroy recon.

@dull hemlock recon is currently destroying RANKED, and now the competitive fanbase is clamoring to remove an ability instead of finding balance.

RANKED = TOXIC

[fair barn]

Give us a seringe so we heal quicker which uses a grenade slot. Buff light hp or give them armor so they are picked more frequently in ranked. Make the cloaking skill a little more visible, if you buff their hp or do that armor stuff. Nerf recon sense range. When you heal people with healing gun the user gets healed too but with a slower healing rate.

[velvet moth]

I didn't ask how do you counter recon, I asked what's recon for, or to counter what exactly? Because to me recon is to see everybody's position AKA wall hacks. Or was it envisioned to counter light's cloaking hability? If that's the case jus give mediums a toggleable thermal vision to counter lights cloak

[dull hemlock]

So all of your counters involve already being in line of sight of the recon user (barring a banked grenade throw). Listing glitch mines as a counter to recon is hilariously stupid, and I even use glitch mines.

You genuinely have no fucking clue what you're talking about. I also love how you keep talking about flanking and tactics and whatnot but then are also trying to pretend to be on the casual side where most teams aren't going to on top of all that meta stuff. Hell, shitloads of people in casuals don't even know things like recon having an audio cue, or that manual revives bring people back at 100% health instead of 40% from a defib.

Though looking at your post history you have some fucking bizarre bone to pick with people not liking recon for whatever reason, so uh. I think I'm done entirely now with you.

[unkempt basalt]

I can’t even play qp and goof around on light without 3ms and fcars hunting me down with recon. It’s not just ranked that’s being “destroyed” by recon. Also, ranked helps to show what is and isn’t balanced as everyone is trying their best(hopefully) to win. In an ideal world more balanced game is a more fun game so I don’t personally agree with the sentiment that games shouldn’t be balanced around ranked. Also, all of those recon “counters” are literally not counters in any way shape or form. Glitch grenade is not reliable in any way at glitching a competent recon user. Glitch mine listed as a counter is a joke and a throw pick since it’s almost always better to opt for pure damage mines. Sonar grenade and motion detector aren’t really applicable since they are easily noticeable and have a set avoidable range(unlike recon). Dart gun and flash are the only somewhat respectable ones and even they are extremely situational.

[molten trail]

Gut the ability? You would still be able to see ppl through walls up to 30 meters away. Still more OP than thermal vision and a lot of the other gadgets / specializations in the game right now. It literally is a wallhack in the end and it should have heavy restraints and nerfs placed on it. Even with my suggestions revisions, recon would still be more OP than turret for example.

Alternatively, remove or replace recon (which the devs will do if people keep complaining about it as they have been). You're right that I don't want it to be part of the game though. Very few people do, and in my experience it's either people who abuse it with friends / lobbied parties or who haven't used it enough themselves. Try using recon against another recon user and you'll see how ridiculous it is when you're both tracking each other through walls and prefiring each other. Feels like a cheat vs cheat gunfight.

Or try being a light main and going against a team with recon, going to be very fun, especially if you use dash+sword or a more niche melee build.

[teal oxide]

I guess you would W key into an objective contested by 2 other teams instead of "waiting it out"?
Do you just sit around doing nothing while both objectives are ticking away, in the hopes that you can make a single attempt at third-partying the double-contested objective, the advantage of which gets essentially nullified if the remaining team's running at least one defib medium? I mean, that's certainly a way to play.

No, there are about a million more productive things you could be doing in the spectrum between "sitting around doing nothing" and "solo-suiciding into two squads". Acting like those are the only two choices is a textbook false dichotomy and says a lot more about you than it does about me.

@proven pelican

Ye, I'm surprised such a simple and effective concept seems to be somewhat lost in translation as "doing nothing" and even getting countered yourself
Time is a resource, and it can indeed be spent effectively just as well as it can be spent ineffectively; the distinction of which is a function of how much time you're spending versus the benefit you gain from doing it.

Waiting out a hail of bullets to wait for a reload is barely any time at all in most games and gives you the benefit of catching them defenseless and with their pants down. On the other hand, "waiting out ultimate abilities" as a tactic is just straight-up not a thing in most games that have ultimate abilities; you'll, instead, make the proactive attempt to bait out an ultimate so that it will no longer be available for when the proper fight begins. If you're able to just wait out an ultimate, it was either (a) completely wasted anyway, or (b) did its job as designed - it bought the user time by making their opponents waste time through forcing them to do nothing. It really isn't all that difficult to grasp.

In the case of the proposed rework of Recon, waiting it out is not only the only method you have to effectively counter Recon, but it's also always a losing equation for you: the opponents activate Recon, virtually turning any approach towards the objective into suicide (if used effectively). Trying to flank, outmaneuver, or trickplay will probably get you collapsed on and deleted. Your options are either to (a) take the fight at a huge disadvantage while the ability is active, or (b) waste precious seconds - seconds that are coming off the objective - until the ability goes on cooldown, after which you still have a fight that's on even footing. You have gained absolutely nothing from "waiting it out", other than the chance to get a fair fight.

[proven pelican]

no ones reading allat

[worthy helm]

REMOVE RECON

[autumn iris]

Y'all in here really writing essays

[loud slate]

how can i possibly further improve my fps besides playing on 1280x720 and 30% res scale

[quick coyote]

that's how feedback goes

[radiant imp]

It is launch feedback after all

[blissful bridge]

Recon is the counter for ambushes and it's used for locating enemy positions.

Those are counters that you could try currently, and I never said recon needs to stay as it is currently.

Blinding or glitching a room of M/M/M recons is the best counter before rushing them.

Recon needs to be made non-togglable with a longer cooldown.

[uncut mist]

• Add custom games support (for competitive tournaments)
• Add a proper ranked system so it isn't just playtime = higher rank, stricter ranked match making

[hollow prawn]

Yes need an actual ranked system

[velvet moth]

So wall hacks, but legal

[opaque patio]

what would u suugest doing against a group of mediums who arent braindead and all dont sit in the cashout room

[pliant lion]

I completely agree with you. Another reason why "waiting" doesn't work that's been missed entirely is that you never know when they use their ability, when you're detected by it or when it's depleted. So you have no clue on when your 20 second window to push the enemy team starts, if it's even that long of a window.

A big part of the problem with recon senses is that there's 1. no indication you're being detected and 2. there's no way to counter it. There is almost zero difference between playing against recon senses and playing against an actual wallhacker.

IMO the best way to balance Recon senses is to either:

• Make enemy silhouettes less clear the closer they are: clear at >70m, glitchy blob at 50m and no clear indication of the exact location <30m (just show "someone is close" in some way or another)
• Show enemies in pulses instead of a live feed of the exact location. The ability has a specific amount of pulses without recharging in between pulses, only after being fully depleted.

[proven pelican]

make it so that when you shoot a mine it fizzles instead of activating, im trying to clear a cashbox out to cap it by shooting the gas mines only to have them go off anyway, wtf is the point of shooting them then?

[blissful bridge]

Recon needs to be made non-togglable with a longer cooldown.

This will stop the meta of spam scanning, camping, and hunting without removing or over-altering the ability.

@proven pelican I usually carry pyro grenades specifically for dealing with a gassy cash out. I understand the frustration.

[unkempt basalt]

Had a dream my hand got bitten by a crocodile and it hurt

[teal oxide]

Just wait it out 🤓

[desert moat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFt1aiOM8ro
bring the ospuze bar song as a lobby theme

[abstract elbow]

i love this song lol so nice

[molten trail]

Remove recon

[noble carbon]

I like how idiots want recon removed and then the cheaters becomes more of a problem

[blissful bridge]

Recon needs to be made non-togglable with a longer cooldown.

This will stop the meta of spam scanning, camping, and hunting without removing or over-altering the ability.

@desert moat what you said but make it where we can choose our lobby theme. This game deserves to be customizable in many ways.

[proper shale]

I like how you think thats even remotely a sensible solution.

So what, every other class and ability should basically not exist then because recon is good for countering cheaters thus everyone should play recon to counter cheaters, that is so backwards. "There will be less cheaters and there will be less of a problem if we cheat too"....

Recon sense does need to be changed, not for the fact its too strong (which it is a bit too much tbf) but more because most people just spam it to hunt people down rather then using it to gather information which is its main purpose. Having it not be toggleable and it just be a one use till recharged ability will genuinely make it better balance wise making more of a information tool than a hunt tool

[opaque patio]

or maybe we could also fix both of those problems. saying recon should be in the game to fight against cheaters is insane

[solid kernel]

idk why ppl hate recon so much but maybe it should warn enemies that they're detected or have a louder audio cue to let nearby enemies know it's active and to not do any dumb peeks

ez balance :3

[upper karma]

Random question, am I the only person who hates that 5 seconds could be left on a cash out and you just can’t steal it as it’s too late. Me and my friends think it should like pause or wait until they finish/don’t finish the steal before finishing the game. Just my opinion though?

[languid tide]

Looking for legit teammates on PS5??

[flint falcon]

Instead of coming at someone sideways and complaining how someone’s play style is why not work on your own and learn how to counter them instead of openly saying that you would cheat in a game designed to have fun

[dull hemlock]

I said why above: #👂┇game-feedback message

Any ability that negates the sandboxy nature of a sandbox game is probably not very healthy for it. Just a hunch.

[unkempt basalt]

@blissful bridge why do you glaze recon this much

[noble carbon]

@proper shale all they need to do is make it take longer to activate and shorter to deactivate then everyone will calm down about it and @opaque patio untill they take recon cheat out of the game there’s no reason to take the ability out of the game if you can use it and see a team of hackers before they see you then you have the upper hand on them and could coordinate with your team to get rid of them just call for reasonable nerfs not call for the whole game to be messed with bc you bad at the game

[sage bison]

buff recon? why doesn't it last longer? it always goes away, I can never kill those pesky invis lights! Remove invis and buff recon please!!

[blissful bridge]

Recon needs to be made non-togglable with a longer cooldown.

This will stop the meta of spam scanning, camping, and hunting without removing or over-altering the ability.

@unkempt basalt I enjoy this game and I want to see it keep it's style and identity. Recon belongs in the game and it needs to be balanced better for it.

EDIT: Before I'm told I'm a "recon main" again. No I do not use recon, I enjoy the turret and I have no issue with others enjoying recon.

[desert moat]

I can think only think of two solutions to reworking recon:
A. Give it the Thermal treatment: where you can toggle it, but toggling it again would force you to recharge it completely from empty.
B. Make it a burst type: you would get scans in short intervals.
C. both, that works too

[round monolith]

Or just make it like sonar but tell the user X amount enemies in area with no wall tracking

[pliant lion]

Definitely, I think overtime could be a great addition to this game. As long as you can hold the steal you should be able to capture it. Would also make it so that the defending team has to defend for the entire duration and can't already run away with 10 seconds left as there's nobody close enough to the cashout. As long as you start a steal within the match time you should be able to finish it as well.

Right now the last 6 seconds of a cashout might as well be deleted as you can't steal it anyway.

[teal oxide]

This is functionally the exact same thing as lengthening the match timer by 6 seconds, just with extra steps.

[opaque patio]

i still don't see why you think an ability should be in the game to solely counter hackers. plus idk what bronze hackers you've been facing but im sure even with recon you do not have the upper hand against them. calling people who think wallhacks shouldn't be in an fps game bad is also silly imo

[void kite]

Can you guys be better at writing hot takes so I can sit back and laugh at your ideas

[solid kernel]

Embark should add tax fraud as a mechanic where u lie on ur taxes so u dont have to pay as much or at all but u risk the irs bopping u/j

[flint falcon]

Dear god the las thing recon needs is that if anything the cool down needs to be 25 to 30 seconds for it to fully recharge and you shouldn’t beable to activate it till it fully recharged if you give it even more time then you are a lunatic and the only reason your prolly saying that is bc it’s all you use and I’m not saying it’s not a good thing to fight for something you use but if recon gets a buff thats gonna throw the entire game completely off balance especially with the tweaks that just happened if you buff recon then what’s the point of the other classes evereyone is gonna run recon with ak or the f car and just hunt ppl down like it’s a play style but at the point everyone is gonna treat the game like cod and if people start trying to turn the game into cod the game will die and it will die fast

[shadow gyro]

day 26 of asking for beards

[noble carbon]

@opaque patio You just needa get good at the game good sir there’s plenty of reasons other than cheaters for the recon ability use no need to come in here projecting skill issue and @flint falcon I agree there’s not much thought process happening this morning

[inner quiver]

Add custom matches to the game?
Would be great to practice movement and rotations in different maps

[unkempt basalt]

That was very clearly a joking bait 💀 @noble carbon

[blissful bridge]

Recon needs to be made non-togglable with a longer cooldown.

This will stop the meta of spam scanning, camping, and hunting without removing or over-altering the ability.

I enjoy this game and I want to see it keep it's style and identity. Recon belongs in the game and it needs to be balanced better for it.

Before I'm told I'm a "recon main" again. No I do not use recon, I enjoy the turret and I have no issue with others enjoying recon.

I will continue to shill for this game and it's abilities seeking balance in them while speaking out against the toxic opinions of the competitive fanbase that seek to ruin the game's identity by constantly crying for abilities to be removed instead of finding a way to actual balance.

@flint falcon that guy is a toxic ranked player (i.e. a toxic ranker) who is being sarcastic. He wants recon removed instead of balancing it. Ignore him.

@shadow gyro we should be able to select a beard style and then have access to a color slider. It should be that way for all things, but I hope they add beards and a color wheel for hair, clothing, etc.

[pliant lion]

Not really, holding a steal during overtime would immediately end the match if the person stealing is killed. Extending the match by 6 seconds would induce the exact same "problem" as there already is right now. If I kill the last enemy at 0:04 and start stealing at 0:01 time left I should be able to finish the steal.

Many other objective based games also make use of overtime if there's anything happening to the objective at the moment the match would normally end.

[idle totem]

True i think when somebody is stealing and the timer reach zero, it should let people finish the steal.

[teal oxide]

Right, but that's why I said "functionally". If you currently start a steal 6 seconds before the round ends and you're killed while you're stealing, the match is functionally over as well. Killing the last enemy at 0:04 and starting the steal at 0:01 is currently functionally the same as killing the last enemy at 0:10 and starting the steal at 0:07.

And sure, some objective-based games make use of this sort of overtime, but some others do not. Defusing the bomb in CSGO, Valorant and RB6, for instance, has to be done entirely within the round timer - if you start too late, you lose.

[waxen granite]

Remove recon tho

[dense ether]

Can there please be a situation of only one turret a team? Spamming 3 turrets on a point is crazily overpowered. Turrets in itself is already a crutch of a perk to use, three is just overkill. I guess this would beg the question if it should apply across the board and I think yes, that wouldn't be a bad thing. This will encourage a variety of play styles if only one could use Cloak, and Healing Beam etc. it would be balanced across the board

[opaque patio]

you made literally zero argument as to why recon should be in the game other than "it helps me win against hackers" and then said skill issue lmfao so a bit ironic you're calling other people brainless. it's wallhacks there is nothing you can do against it you'll always be on their wallhacks please tell me what a better player like you would do against it

[frosty cave]

istg the throwing knives needs a buff

[jade ferry]

fuk all daat i need more fps!!! im playing at 70 optimize the game (my rig is also decent)

[abstract elbow]

gpu or cpu bound?

[proper shale]

My brother in christ your the one who said if it was taken out then cheating would be more of an issue XD

You cant say that it isnt wallhacks because thats literally what it is, just because its in the game doesnt mean it was implented well, plenty of games implemented a similar mechanic in a way that isnt as obnoxious like titanfall 2 with its sonar blade, or god forbid call of duty, valorant, overwatch. It doesnt need to be removed but it sure as hell should be reworked atleast a little

If you call someone bad for dying to recon sense then everyone who has ever died to a hacker or cheater needs to get better at the game by your own logic

[quick coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-the-agents-know-dont-gif-18536773

[fleet meadow]

PLEASE Fix performance, it is terrible

[daring fossil]

Repost UI Fix suggestion. Contestant and Equipment options merged into Loadout. You pick your contestant as you would now. On the loadout tab, you ONLY pick loadout, no customization. There is a new Equipment button on the contestant screen, you equip skins, etc everything from here.

[rose slate]

haveyou tried download more ram

[gentle zinc]

Reject Recon, Embrace Heal Beam

[blissful bridge]

The throwing knives need a very slight faster throwing time and the ability to hold strong attack instead of a wind up. The damage is fine and the accuracy is fine.

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REPOSTING FOR EMBARK

Recon needs to be made non-togglable with a longer cooldown.

This will stop the meta of spam scanning, camping, and hunting without removing or over-altering the ability.

@teal oxide @pliant lion
They need to add rule variations like they have map variations.

The rule of over-time while stealing at time out could be one of the variations.

They could make a lot of fun and serious variations to the rules.

[pliant lion]

The problem is that, unless it's the final cashout of the match, you can't tell when you're going to be too late or not. As long as a cashout is... cashing out(?), you should be able to start (and finish) a steal. I've lost count of the amount of times we finally cleared 3 teams off the objective only to get screwed and not being able to steal because we have 5 seconds left on the cashout.

Sure in CSGO you can't defuse after the bomb timer runs out but iirc the match continues as long as the bomb is armed. In APB Reloaded (which I played a lot of in the past) you could also capture an objective while the timer runs out and as long as you're able to hold the capture you could still win.

[barren geode]

We really need a set of Finals themed ringtones.
Including the infamous Ooo-Wee-Ooo-Wee Cashout stealing Alarm.

[lament talon]

[Call for Replay System and kill cam Implementation]

Dear The Finals Community,

As passionate members of this community, we've noticed a rise in cheating during the past months.
To combat this issue, we strongly advocate for the immediate implementation of a replay system and kill cam feature.

These tools are essential for accurate analysis of gameplay, enabling swift identification and removal of cheaters.
Let's join forces to ensure fair play and maintain the integrity of our competitions.

Repost this post and together, we can make a difference!

This post has been powered by and ChatGPT 3.5

[teal sun]

Can you guys make poison gas and shields show up on thermal vision?

And can you make recon more of a 4 seconds on 2 seconds off(cool down) then reactivatable perk with 3 or 4 charges to balance it?

Would be great

[teal oxide]

The issue is that the framing for the situation you've described is wrong. You weren't screwed out of being able to steal; instead, you took too long to clear out three teams off of the objective. Again, adding 6 seconds to the cashout timer while leaving the rules the same as they are now would've been functionally the same as allowing you to start the cashout at 5 seconds and successfully finish it. The difference when asking for overtime steals isn't in functionality, it's in how the existing functionality feels. Ultimately, I believe it's more valuable to learn the lesson that, instead of pushing an objective that everyone else in the server is pushing and inevitably run out of time, you should consider getting started on the other objective instead while everyone else is distracted; and the current functionality underlines that over the alternative.

[white sky]

they should disable turret if the owner turret is dead XD

[opaque patio]

they should make the turret take at least a little bit to place

[keen steppe]

Light:
Should get faster regenration out of combat to improve their harass-playstyle.

Someone else mentioned a stimshot item which could also work out instead of changing the regen timer. Maybe even make it so you can choose to give that stim to a teammate instead of using it only on yourself.

The sniper could use some love aswell. Not too sure about in what way tho, since that could easily make it too strong. Some experimentation with firerate might be a good first step imo.

M11 is in a weird spot too, it technically is slightly stronger than the xp-45 up close but overall still significantly worse. Maybe enhance the close-range capabilities even more so there is a clear difference between the two.

Second charge for grapple.

Sword should be able to hit multiple opponents with the charge attack. (The reverse of heavies hammer)

Medium:
After getting resurrected by defib you should not have invulnerability.

If you get defibbed as a medium you should have your own defib go on cooldown to prevent chain defibs.
OR
Make it so defib isnt instant but just significantly shortens the regular revive-time. Like a sped up version of the normal revive where youd have to keep facing the downed-player trophy.

In addition a reduced effect for multiple healing beams on the same target would be good aswell. One beam heals for 100%, two beams would heal for more than 100% but less than 200%.

Rework recon to a have 2 charges. A charge sends out a scan that highlights players in the vicinity for a short duration (it would keep its function as an intel gathering ability without being so overbearing). Or just get rid of it.

Take a look at Fcar and tweak the numbers a bit.

Heavy:
Hammer horizontal swings should be able to hit multiple opponents. (The reverse of lights sword)

Performance:
Some performance and optimization improvements are very needed aswell.

Melee AA should be toggleable.

[brave apex]

add a "sorry" ping to the ping wheel

[obsidian solar]

BUFF THE RIOT SHIELD:
Here's some suggestions, I know all of these together would make the shield pretty strong but even 1 or 2 would be enough to improve it so much!:
-While blocking movement speed should be the same as walking (increasing block movement speed would help a lot in pushing and giving your teammates support)
-Lunge distance (90% of the fight become a chase you can't win, the other classes have ways to block enemies, slow them down or catch up to them, even heavies have RPG to finish people off if they use sledge)
-Add a slow down effect after being hit by the shield, nothing too crazy just a small reduction to movement speed and the effect should only last 500ms max (Same reason as above, medium lack ways to finish people off or catch up to them, this would prevent infinite chases, also this slow down would only work on medium and heavies, light can still run away)
-Increase damage from 84 to 90 (to kill heavies in 4 hits instead of 5)
-Add a charge like attack, to activate it press the attack button while blocking kinda like charge N slam, of course less powerful and without the destruction effect, it would add variety, also all the other melee weapons have two attacks)

[manic aspen]

fix spawns pls ty also
[Call for Replay System and kill cam Implementation]

Dear The Finals Community,

As passionate members of this community, we've noticed a rise in cheating during the past months.
To combat this issue, we strongly advocate for the immediate implementation of a replay system and kill cam feature.

These tools are essential for accurate analysis of gameplay, enabling swift identification and removal of cheaters.
Let's join forces to ensure fair play and maintain the integrity of our competitions.

Repost this post and together, we can make a difference!

[daring fossil]

it literally takes like 5 seconds to activate once it's put down. you can destroy it long before it starts shooting.

[steep ibex]

please use a more easy to see color for each team please,i am struggling

[blissful bridge]

These are needed.

The kill-cam feature needs to remain optional by having to hit a button to choose watching the kill cam.

A replay system for matches would be just an amazingly fun tool to have for the community as a whole.

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REPOST FOR EMBARK

Recon needs to be made non-togglable with a longer cooldown.

This will stop the meta of spam scanning, camping, and hunting without removing or over-altering the ability.

@obsidian solar the riot shield needs a little buff to help it be a little more viable in combat. I like the idea of removing the movement penalty from block and the slight damage increase from 84 to 90. I think those would help it without having to add extra animations for shield bashes, strong attacks, or melee stunning (all of which are cool ideas though.).

@steep ibex we should be able to customize the team colors we want to see with a color wheel.

[gleaming tide]

DELET WALLHAK. THANK.

[earnest ermine]

That ain't happening + 120hz support for PS5/Xbox series X

[pliant rock]

optimization for pc needed

[unkempt basalt]

The final round should be a game of chess

[opaque patio]

it still has all it's health instantly when it's put down right? i just think jumping in somoones face and putting a turret down that you can hide behind is stupif. esp when there's multiple people per team doing it

[real siren]

optimization for pc especially the network and have teamchat please

[daring fossil]

Game has hit it's lowest player count ever, need to do something about cheaters, remove recon, and buff useless and unused weapons or this game is going to die. While you're at it, fix the revolver, it's so fucking inconsistent and does no damage at range. Thanks.

[tawdry vapor]

Many console players wont play if crossplay is constantly activated too

[sand sable]

Remove the aim assist nerfs from update 1.4.1 on console
fix crossplay being permanently on Nerf dead go boom (longer timer, make trophies glow up before exploding)
Remove wallhack ability
Add killcam
Add replay system so you can rewatch games from every contestants pov
Nerf gas
Nerf explosives

[quick coyote]

Even in CS:GO you can buy defusers that let you defuse the bomb even if the timer would be too short to manually defuse it. Most competitive games allow for some variance of overtime. The timers and how they work in this game totally need some tweaking.

[warm basin]

Yurrrrr

[fossil walrus]

That's honestly why I'm in favor of removing both. The only invisibility that's decent is vanishing bomb and only balanced form of recon is sonar grenade. I said both invisibility and recon are cheesy but you described a scenario of WHY that is.

The way you have to play in order to play around both ruins the variety of the game. I've seen some people here talk about how they don't see these issues in quickplay and it's only a ranked issue but I've had triple medium teams prefiring corners in quick cash.

Where do you think those ranked guys are gonna go if ranked isn't there? Do you think people in MW2 needed Esports to use a one man army glitch to have unlimited noob tubes? People are always gonna gravitate to what's the best and everyone else just having fun will eventually have to do the same thing in order to counter.

Having broken concepts like recon affects every aspect of a game. Not just a ranked mode.

[blissful bridge]

The next patch should look like this here.

-Nerfs-
Recon Senses: Non-togglable, 30 second cool down, louder audio cue.

-Buffs-
Throwing Knives: Very slight faster attack, Strong attack can be held, and tighter slide/airborn dispersement/spread.

Riot Shield: Speed while blocking is normal walking speed, damage increased from 84 to 90.

-Fixes-
Cheating

SBMM (no more bronze/silver/gold fighting diamonds and better casual matching)

Slight buff to AA for console players (finding a balance from last AA nerf)

KBM added for consoles (freedom of choice)

-Added-
Optional Kill-Cam

Replay Mode

Color Wheel for Cosmetics (primary, secondary, and accent)

-QoL-
Dead Go Boom (trophies tick down 5 secs and are throwable by anyone)

Contestant Characters increased from 6 to 9

Things I'd love to see....
Forge Mode and Custom Lobbies

[acoustic harbor]

ackerman isnt cheating ur just trash lmfao

[earnest ermine]

Like that's ever gonna happen

[daring fossil]

at least Embark addressed that and said they are working on a fix, they just didn't get it done in time for the patch.

@blissful bridge throwing knives need slide/airborn dispersement/spread removed entirely to ever make the throwing knives viable

[opal vine]

I would like to suggest that you disable this very intrusive AutoHotKey check and implement proper cheat detection. Windows is terrible to use without AHK and it's very common. I would hate to have to hide it myself.
That, or support Linux 🙂

[sage bison]

Aim bot wen?

[abstract elbow]

fuck these aimbotters, guys not even looking at people and beaming them 100% headshots. Don't even have to face them D: NotedCatwalk#6747 (bezdna in game) cheating

[glossy sage]

There are two things I am intrigued about #1 Learning about the world and lore of the finals and making cash. I think it would be a great idea to give more lore drops as a player makes money and gains experience in the finals. Ibfeel that would be a decent reward for those who are trying to stick around for a long time.

[blissful bridge]

UPDATED

The next patch should look like this here.

-Nerfs-
Recon Senses: Non-togglable, 30 second cool down, louder audio cue.

-Buffs-
Throwing Knives: Very slight faster attack, Strong attack can be held, and tighter slide / airborn / movement dispersement spread.

Riot Shield: Speed while blocking is normal walking speed, damage increased from 84 to 90.

-Fixes-
Cheating

SBMM (no more bronze/silver/gold fighting diamonds and better casual matching)

Slight buff to AA for console players (finding a balance from last AA nerf)

KBM added for consoles (freedom of choice)

-Added-
Optional Kill-Cam

Replay Mode

Color Wheel for Cosmetics (primary, secondary, and accent)

-QoL-
Dead Go Boom (trophies tick down 5 secs and are throwable by anyone)

Contestant Characters increased from 6 to 9

VR Bucks into Coin (3,000VR = 150 coins)

Things I'd love to see....
Forge Mode and Custom Lobbies

Cosmetics buyable with VR bucks or unlocked through in-game actions.

Charms, Stickers, and SFX Audio unlockables being added to all equipment. (Rank 6 AK unlocks purple skin and AK Charm -example-)

[wraith wharf]

Bro why tf do i lose points in ranked when both my teammates leave the game thats so unfair

[quick coyote]

I get you have me blocked and all (for good reasons) but you are actually completely right here. About the revolver too. I hate how mistreated revolvers are on video games.
Player loss on steam btw (for anyone interested):

[gleaming tide]

wall hek bad pls remof thank

[sonic flare]

Remove Recon

[quick coyote]

add a proper matchmaking system

[eternal apex]

Can we implement some skill into this game wallhack simulator is becoming extremely unfun I’d rather watch my Pokémon commit war crimes instead of play the shitty state this game turned into

[manic aspen]

i never said he is cheating brainlet

[stiff tusk]

Day 3 of asking to make recon a pulse like ability limited to 3 charges scans targets put to 50m effect last 30 seconds

[spiral merlin]

Mnk on console

[brave plover]

lighty MPs are completely different since patch 1.5.0 dmg and timetokill isnt the same, like the bloom isnt fixed ... pelase fix this embark

[boreal fable]

Embark, you guys convinced yet that the recon nerf wasn't enough yet? It needs a serious rework.

[strange mountain]

https://youtu.be/BuwuoZdFngM?si=oh8SUlfcxJbWBmVf

[smoky storm]

healing beam:Heal from two beams DOES NOT STACK. Healing is paused for 1/8-1/4 second if target takes bullet dmg. Help prevent mercy healbotting cosplay. environmental/gas/fire dmg does not trigger cd

Remove/nerf Recon: #👂┇game-feedback message
nerf/rework defib:#👂┇game-feedback message

Glitch nade explodes on impact with shield, player, or equipment.otherwise regular fuse

db shotty rework:#👂┇game-feedback message

1.5-2x Dash range
2 charges of grapple hook

Gadget/C4 Nerf:#👂┇game-feedback message

Option for "sprint always enabled" / auto sprint, or sprint/sliding interaction reworked(Please see this video, where it is described in detail https://youtu.be/tdOKEgrwZHc). Currently movement is pretty good, but also a bit awkward from a control perspective due to how sprint and slide interact. It could be massively improved via updated controls.

option for dark flashbang

Please give alternate team colors, colors are hard to distinguish

Allow for separate Jump/Vault keybinds on MNK

Using scroll wheel for jump/vault causes inconsistency, please fix/address

Improve subregion matchmaking(always low ping)

built in performance and network indicators FPS, ping, packet loss

Input based matchmaking: #👂┇game-feedback message

In ranked mode, all teams start with 10k, instead of 0(more stakes when fighting early)

Option to disable TAA and all anti-aliasing(I beg!)

Visual Clarity and gunsight fix:#👂┇game-feedback message

ladders do not autoclimb,require pressing "use" key

event suggestions: #👂┇game-feedback message

[drifting pawn]

the finals needs this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDDnvAr6gGI

[mystic gyro]

I have completely given up on Asia server, what i'm about to say next, literally just happened in my ranked game and i'm not even exaggerating it in any way.

Round 1: 2 hackers on my team and 1 hacker on the other team.

Round 2: 3 teams had at least 1 hacker including mine which had 2.

Round 3: This is where shit got real stupid. Every single team had 1 or 2 hackers and when we started losing at around 4 minutes. My chinese teammate started turning on the the voice comms and asked me to stop shooting purple in chinese and I shit you not. There was another person in the background talking and saying in chinese "I didn't know it was you if not I wouldn't have shot you guys but your 3rd teammate kept shooting us as well(he is referring to me)" and they started coordinated pushes (Essentially they started teaming). And if you thought that was bad enough, the other two teams also started teaming. We lost in the end and the ending words from my chinese teammate(he was on open mic) was "let's queue together at the same time so we get each other" to the guy in the background which was purple. I say chinese teammate because he was speaking in chinese.

Absolute clown fiesta in asia servers. You need to improve the anti cheat somehow cause this shit is ridiculous.

[manic aspen]

brainlet

[upbeat pumice]

1/10 of my deaths are by being shot by an actual gun… it’s not even end of S1 and it’s getting old.

[upbeat pebble]

More slots for loadouts please... too many guns and combos for only SIX loadouts

(also remove recon)

[subtle niche]

Can we make light less cheese? Maybe 25 more hp and/or less health regen delay so they can pop in and out of fights? Also remove invisibility / stun gun because no one likes dying to cheese.

[warm peak]

middle east servers please

[oak rivet]

Buff recon sense

[small wren]

Kbm to console

[keen steppe]

Light:
Should get faster regenration out of combat to improve their harass-playstyle.

Someone else mentioned a stimshot item which could also work out instead of changing the regen timer. Maybe even make it so you can choose to give that stim to a teammate instead of using it only on yourself.

The sniper could use some love aswell. Not too sure about in what way tho, since that could easily make it too strong. Some experimentation with firerate might be a good first step imo.

M11 is in a weird spot too, it technically is slightly stronger than the xp-45 up close but overall still significantly worse. Maybe enhance the close-range capabilities even more so there is a clear difference between the two.

Second charge for grapple.

Sword should be able to hit multiple opponents with the charge attack. (The reverse of heavies hammer)

Medium:
After getting resurrected by defib you should not have invulnerability.

If you get defibbed as a medium you should have your own defib go on cooldown to prevent chain defibs.
OR
Make it so defib isnt instant but just significantly shortens the regular revive-time. Like a sped up version of the normal revive where youd have to keep facing the downed-player trophy.

In addition a reduced effect for multiple healing beams on the same target would be good aswell. One beam heals for 100%, two beams would heal for more than 100% but less than 200%.

Rework recon to a have 2 charges. A charge sends out a scan that highlights players in the vicinity for a short duration (it would keep its function as an intel gathering ability without being so overbearing). Or just get rid of it.

Take a look at Fcar and tweak the numbers a bit.

Heavy:
Hammer horizontal swings should be able to hit multiple opponents. (The reverse of lights sword)

Performance:
Some performance and optimization improvements are very needed aswell.

Melee AA should be toggleable.

[mental rapids]

Add afk farm report option, see that stuff happening way too much

[quick coyote]

🤡
Some people saying about player count and dev need to do something.
But you know game already dead.🤔

The finals player count kiss with bf5 today.

[blissful bridge]

The next patch should look like this here.

-Nerfs-
Recon Senses: Non-togglable, 30 second cool down, louder audio cue.

-Buffs-
Throwing Knives: Very slight faster attack, Strong attack can be held, and tighter slide / airborn / movement dispersement spread.

Riot Shield: Speed while blocking is normal walking speed, damage increased from 84 to 90.

-Fixes-
Cheating

SBMM (no more bronze/silver/gold fighting diamonds and better casual matching)

Slight buff to AA for console players (finding a balance from last AA nerf)

KBM added for consoles (freedom of choice)

-Added-
Optional Kill-Cam

Replay Mode

Color Wheel for Cosmetics (primary, secondary, and accent)

-QoL-
Dead Go Boom (trophies tick down 5 secs and are throwable by anyone)

Contestant Characters increased from 6 to 9

VR Bucks into Coin (3,000VR = 150 coins)

Text Chat

Things I'd love to see....
Forge Mode and Custom Lobbies

Cosmetics buyable with VR bucks or unlocked through in-game actions.

Charms, Stickers, and SFX Audio unlockables being added to all equipment. (Rank 6 AK unlocks purple skin and AK Charm -example-)

[nocturne flare]

Text chat when?

[ebon elbow]

Pls yes

[shadow gyro]

I tried recon sense this weekend finally and wow.... that shit is pretty op.

I dont understand why the range on it is so long AND that it can be toggled on/off.
limit the range and make it a full use ability instead of toggle with a decent cooldown

[teal marsh]

Probably mentioned before but just to further illustrate support for changes

recon sense should definitely be reworked to a single charge cooldown ability (like heavy charge) rather than a toggle ability. Same with light cloaking device. To compensate for this change obviously the recon sense effect should be stronger and last longer. For the cloaking device change, light should just get damage buffs on certain weapons so they can actually win firefights (since cloak having a real cd means they can’t rely on it as often for getting the HP lead via first strike)
change the stun gun effect to still allow for gadget use. Being immobilized is an incredibly powerful effect, it doesn’t really need even more things working in favor. At worst you can already just strafe since turning is very slow while stunned.
healing beam and defib rework. For healing beam I think it should overcharge and become unusable faster, especially when 2 beams are being used on a single player. For defib, it could force a reload (set revived players to 0 ammo always) so players with iframes can’t instantly rejoin the fight, it could disable the defibs of other teammates to prevent chains, the revive speed could be reduced (swiped from another suggestion) or Alternatively just get rid of the iframes
reduce the visibility effect on gas, as it already provides area denial via damage. It additionally acting as a means to obscure other players just makes smoke effects even less competitive.
add another attack to the riot shield. I personally think all melee weapons should have a way to deal high single hit damage to open fights or a gap closer, as the chances are they’ve already taken damage getting close or risk it—riot shield having less of this problem doesn’t mean it is immune. A high damage option on riot shield could be a charged attack from holding M1 that disables passive and active guarding, and a momentum option could be a shield charge that does quick melee damage or less

[cinder frost]

Still some problems with connecting into a friend's lobby , please fix this shi

[reef galleon]

I’m back 💀🖕nerds

[sonic flare]

The fact you can see people on spawn shouldn’t even be allowed 🤦‍♂️

[hard depot]

CHAT IS NEEDED
You cant have randoms with no VC on unable to tell them what tf to do better

[zealous schooner]

we need an option to disable the announcers but not other players' pings, changing the audio to have dialogue off turns all comms off, even with players

[dense ether]

Recon sense should work the way it does in Apex, just a short amount of time and a single use after full charge

[rough herald]

Genaraly just more option in settings.

crosshair: I miss my dot crosshair and the ability to make funny use less ones

grahise setting: I run the game fine but 100fps is not the usual 230fps I have with other games.

[quartz girder]

fix voice chat on xbox please

[quick coyote]

Quick cash should have 4 teams, I won't elaborate on why this is a great idea.

Why is it a good idea
Please elaborate

[sudden spire]

Yeah I suggested a stim for light too. I think it's exactly what light is missing for me

[sonic flare]

Light do need faster health regen especially with the current health don’t buff the health but the regen

[pine needle]

I'll keep respamming this just so it might make sense

There are a good number of options and ways to nerf a wallhack, not just by removing it.

As you already know, it makes a directional noise when you activate it, and your enemies can hear that. That's its current only downside, but it could use an expansion over that.

Actual distance falloff and limited distance overall so you can't see spawn points, nor teamfights 10 rooms away

"Detected" message to victims

Rework: Add a directional (90-120°) "scanline" that visually expands over from the player's FOV that pings other players' locations/silhouettes, and you'd only get a current position ping instead of a constant WH; plus make said scanline visible for enemies too (Would even change the wallhack into a wall ping, and could just have 2 charges which get used up the instant someone presses the prompt.)

Devs please save your game we'll never have a game like this again

[lilac orchid]

Avoid team mates feature :)

[glad delta]

all I'm saying is that I just got backstabbed from the front. This is not like hyperbole, I think something fucked up b/c I've played dagger and it's not like that. I think it's a sync bug

[sacred siren]

Can y'all make the rank system a bit more dynamic? It's kinda gotten to a point where whoever plays more gets a higher rank, not just whose better. I still think that a certain amount of grinding should be required to be on the leaderboard, but currently there's absolutely no way (literally not enough time in a day) for someone new to catch up to someone higher up on leaderboard, even if they are better/have higher winrate.

[tight musk]

☝️

[opal leaf]

In case CM & devs has not seen this for the last 15 seconds
REMOVE RECON

[gleaming fox]

Anyone encountering crashes on Xbox X? Keep getting dashboarded mid game

[manic aspen]

@quick coyote i regret spending money on this shit game, literally cant find a match without hacker, got hacker in 5 matches in a row, fix your shit or just watch your shitty game die

[pine kernel]

im getting crashed on pc and i have a rtx 2070 laptop, this should not happen when playing on lowest settings

[fiery thorn]

can we have a tdm mode. ik bank it is supposed to be that mode, but i can't seem to actually get into a gunfight since it's so ratty

[quick coyote]

i'm not in control of that, you can contact player support about this, if you'd like;
all i can tell you is that the team is working hard to ban all cheaters, but it's an uphill battle

[autumn iris]

yooo what did yall do to the RPG 😭 I shot a dude point blank and it did like 10 damage

[hardy loom]

Finally fix the RANKING system! how long I must wait !

[earnest ermine]

Damage reduced from 150 to 140

[dense marlin]

U got news about controller deadzone ???

[quick coyote]

wdym?

[oak rivet]

Plz region lock the game
Too many cheaters in Asia server or fix anti cheat

[blazing hedge]

We need a gifting system in the store. so we can buy our friends stuff.

[sour bane]

hello momo! any ideas when we may expect the next balance patch? or some communication from devs on various issues plaguing the game right now?

[reef galleon]

who tf play on a controller bro go get a job and buy a pc trust is way better than ur aim assist bullshit

[quick coyote]

tbh, i know devs wanna make weekly patches a reality soon, but idk if that's possible right now
afaik, there's many issues being handled at the same time, but i am not privy to that information (as to which ones are being worked, the priority and all)

NERF RECON

[reef jasper]

Balance FCAR, RECON, MODEL SHOTTY, DEFIB … leaving mediums unchecked is crazy

[silk cedar]

Could you please add messages to friends feature. It's really annoying to speak when teammates from different countries.
Also please add Add to steam option so that i can communicate via steam

[nocturne flare]

Text chat when?

[daring fossil]

daily post to fix the garbage interpolation

[dense marlin]

Controller deadzone doesn’t do what it should for example I play on all games on zero deadzone (deadzone off) easier for me to fine tune with the cost of stick drift the finals is the only game where zero deadzone doesn’t do that means turning deadzone to zero on the finals doesn’t actually turn off deadzone.
In all games I get stick drift therefore I know deadzone is off but with the finals it ain’t the case and it impacts my aim heavily. TL:DR if u want to turn deadzone off (deadzone 0) it doesn’t do that there’re means deadzone is still there. Im on ps5

[sand sable]

Remove the aim assist nerfs from update 1.4.1 on console
fix crossplay being permanently on Nerf dead go boom (longer timer, make trophies glow up before exploding)
Remove wallhack ability
Add killcam
Add replay system so you can rewatch games from every contestants pov
Nerf gas
Nerf explosives
Dont let the game end as long as someone is actively stealing a cashout

[tepid violet]

Defi is fair stop nerf Mid to the ground. Just remove recon and everyone’s fine.

[flint badge]

i agree with all of that

[fiery thorn]

so im trying to grind out the akm mastery skin and i've already maxed both my BP and Career level. I guess my feedback is to maybe make it easier to grind the mastery skins. or have the XP you get go to your weapons and gadgets if you've maxed out the BP and account level. RN XP and challenges are kind of wasted since the XP isn't going anywhere currently.

[quick coyote]

i see i see! do you have friends on xbl? just so i know if that's a thing for that console as well

[autumn iris]

yeah ngl you have my +1 for all of this.

[hard depot]

Remove random spread again

[sudden marlin]

on pc the same, deadzone on 0 its actually like 5

[wary tapir]

remove wall hacks, change defib to that slot

[gleaming bough]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1080587127814881341/1105228799299289209/attachment.gif

[boreal wagon]

Fix recon

[manic aspen]

momo 😭

[undone belfry]

This

[lilac orchid]

Avoid team mates option
Fix voice chat (im on pc and my vc don't work ingame and i checked settings)
Add text chat
Adjust match making for ranked (I don't think getting 2 bronze 4's on my team when im Gold 2 when i solo q is fair)
Adjust/remove i-frames on defib
Lower heavy shield health (special ability not dome) or add a cooldown to prevent shield spam

[soft dune]

Give turrets like 40 hp

[glad delta]

I have a bug to report about where the camera goes behind you and you see your disembodied arm next to your torso and legs (but no head) and it's honestly disconcerting. It's pretty funny though, tbh, to be put in ass-shot mode

[pliant onyx]

I feel like recon should be for the light with much less obvious heat signatures, a 1 use short activation rather than toggle (maybe 5s uptime 10s downtime?) and maybe medium could get defib as an ability instead, this also fixes the 3 medium turret bunker strat that makes lower skilled lobbies less annoying, making newer players less likely to be driven away

[shadow gyro]

clearly theres love for cats but I hate cats. Wheres the stuff for us dog lovers!?!?! WHERES MY GOOD BOY?

[red knot]

those things need to be nerved asap

[smoky storm]

That would be awesome for sure. Can you push for the option to disable anti-aliasing? There's a decent chunk of people who get headaches/eye strain from blurriness in games. The blurriness caused by forced TAA (or other AA in general) is pretty bad and prevents me from playing for more than a few rounds at a time. An option to disable all anti-aliasing would be extremely welcome; it was possible in the cbt/obt through config files and did not negatively impact either visuals or performance.

Out of everything non-balance related, this is the thing I want most.

[earnest ermine]

If they gave recon to light, this channel would be a bloodbath

Also buff both grenade launchers

[daring fossil]

explosives don't need further nerfing. games going to be stale if nothing kills anyone. I also used to hate gas, but you just need to learn to play around it, wait it out, or heal beam someone while they are in it, or you know, just carry fire nades in your reserve or find a fire barrel. c4 already does less damage than breach charges which is a joke. They could have just made C4 like breach charges where you have to wait the cooldown to put a second one down (breach charges are the only util in the game like this), that along with the weight change would have single-handedly stopped double-c4 nukes, and the damage nerf to C4 literally didn't do anything except for in cases where you are using C4 as a trap, which should NOT have been nerfed at all. explosive mines are already useless and no one picks them unless they are running a 3 mine loadout.

[dense marlin]

Sadly not but I would assume too because I’m nearly 100% sure this is one of the reasons why people been saying aiming on controller feels weird

[elfin tendon]

I got a good fix for defibs...

• make it cost 25% of your own health on use

[quick coyote]

id say it's everywhere, since dude above also confirmed there's that on PC as well will check with team, ty!

[quick coyote]

Do you use nivdia or amd for your gpu? I know both will let your force it off in their control pannels. I have to do it sometimes (I'm a rich nivdia user).

[reef galleon]

Probably mentioned before but just to further illustrate support for changes

recon sense should definitely be reworked to a single charge cooldown ability (like heavy charge) rather than a toggle ability. Same with light cloaking device. To compensate for this change obviously the recon sense effect should be stronger and last longer. For the cloaking device change, light should just get damage buffs on certain weapons so they can actually win firefights (since cloak having a real cd means they can’t rely on it as often for getting the HP lead via first strike)
change the stun gun effect to still allow for gadget use. Being immobilized is an incredibly powerful effect, it doesn’t really need even more things working in favor. At worst you can already just strafe since turning is very slow while stunned.
healing beam and defib rework. For healing beam I think it should overcharge and become unusable faster, especially when 2 beams are being used on a single player. For defib, it could force a reload (set revived players to 0 ammo always) so players with iframes can’t instantly rejoin the fight, it could disable the defibs of other teammates to prevent chains, the revive speed could be reduced (swiped from another suggestion) or Alternatively just get rid of the iframes
reduce the visibility effect on gas, as it already provides area denial via damage. It additionally acting as a means to obscure other players just makes smoke effects even less competitive.
add another attack to the riot shield. I personally think all melee weapons should have a way to deal high single hit damage to open fights or a gap closer, as the chances are they’ve already taken damage getting close or risk it—riot shield having less of this problem doesn’t mean it is immune. A high damage option on riot shield could be a charged attack from holding M1 that disables passive and active guarding, and a momentum option could be a shield charge that does quick melee damage or less

[woeful perch]

Hot take to the console change to no MNK. I say mandate MNK. End this debate on AA already and don't allow people to play on controller.

[sand sable]

Tho this is of course a personal opinion, explosive gadgets like the rpg, c4, explosive mines get way too many kills, as they basically insta kill. (Rpg almost after the nerf)
This game used be considered different and better because of its ttk, but now its just everyone spamming gadgets to farm instakills
The issue with gas is that in many games the winner is just who throws more gas mades and mines onto the cashout.. sure you can throw fire but that doesnt really help because you also shouldnt stay in fire and after it they just spam more gas... it just denies areas for an eternety

The c4 rpg and explosive mine do way too much damage and are basically the reason why many other gadgets like the goo nade or flash are not being picked often (tho flash needs a buff)
Id prefer a game where our guns decide the outcome of a match, not the amount of gadgets we can spam

Id like to see the explosive mine dmg at 70 and the rpg at 100.
Id nerf the gas dmg slightly above fire, because fire burn you after yiu leave it while gas does not

[subtle niche]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwzIq04vd0M

Plz embark, watch this and get better at dealing with cheaters.

[wary tapir]

no way you're defending having WALLHACKS as a skill in this game

[wild sinew]

a GAS MASK would be good for them to add in to the game

[woeful juniper]

My team claimed a cash out station at the end of the timer and the color on the cash out timer changed, but it went to the team we where stealing it from, wtf? lol

[flint badge]

yes, i would literally sacrifice a gadget slot to counter gas effectively

[fossil walrus]

Remove both recon and invisibility. Happy now?

[plain palm]

Mouse and Keyboard on consoles

Bring back mouse and keyboard support on consoles but force the crossplay option to be on when they are plugged in to prevent kbm users from stomping on the controller users in console-only lobbies

[quick coyote]

• The tutorial is pretty atrocious and explains basically nothing about the game, I had to go into quick cash with no idea what I was doing for like 3 games.

• The current meta sucks, automatic guns, shields and rat tactics like recon and invisibility are simply Unfun, this game should prioritize uniqueness and silly gadgets, the most fun I've had in this game was playing vs throwing knives lights and heavies with hammers, people using RPGs and C4 to level a building instead of throwing nukes.

Why do you think TF2 is still going strong today? It doesn't have Assault rifles.

[elfin tendon]

@reef galleon @sand sable
As a medium-main:

• Recon should make yourself visible through walls to the enemy team upon use, that is it.

• Light cloak don't need to be nerfed further now after rework and shotgun nerf, I think it is fine as it is right now.

• Defib should cost some of your own health to use, so if in a 1v1 situation, if one defibs and it becomes 2v1, the solo dude actually has a chance, and this should also ofc kill the player if less than said amount of health.

• Stun gun is fine, maybe lower range on it, but that's it.

• Explosives are fine now after nerfs, and can be played around, its a skill issue, maybe you have problems with it in lower ranks...

• Flashbang is very good, maybe even too strong, gas can easily be played around, no need to nerf. git guud

• This game is a shooter with unique gadgets and the three class system is great for adding that spice. Taking away the power of gadgets, and making the game into pure FPS where you do not have to counterplay or play around the gadgets would definitely trash the uniqueness of the game. Just learn to play, this game is not CoD, R6S, Valorant, Overwatch or CS, but has itself a unique position

[daring fossil]

oof Recon does not need to be more powerful and/or last longer if it's made single charge. It should be single charge AND have a radius of like 30-50 meters max from the player using it, and should pulse like sonar (say 3 pulses) instead of just being a full on wall hack. so many hot takes in this channel and people wonder why the devs are so misguided with their nerfs.

@sand sable won lots of games by just heal beaming the guy standing in gas while he steals. also when you throw fire on gas just throw it on the edge, it will still poof the gas and not be in your way, and explosive mines don't 1-shot (not even a light, I just tested it) If I see one in my way and im full health, I just run through it. I will always be against the RPG not one-shotting a light (at least on direct hit) as a light main, but that's just me.

[sour bane]

I love being pre-fired with a FCAR right as I turn the corner by a Med that's known my location since the beginning of the match! Thanks Embark!

[blissful bridge]

@daring fossil

The next patch should look like this here.

-Nerfs-
Recon Senses: Non-togglable, 30 second cool down, louder audio cue.

Defibs: Removed 2sec invincibility

-Buffs-
Throwing Knives: Very slight faster attack, Strong attack can be held, and tighter slide / airborn / movement dispersement spread.

Riot Shield: Speed while blocking is normal walking speed, damage increased from 84 to 90.

-Fixes-
Cheating

SBMM (no more bronze/silver/gold fighting diamonds and better casual matching)

Slight buff to AA for console players (finding a balance from last AA nerf)

KBM added for consoles (freedom of choice)

-Added-
Optional Kill-Cam

Replay Mode

Color Wheel for Cosmetics (primary, secondary, and accent)

-QoL-
Dead Go Boom (trophies tick down 5 secs and are throwable by anyone)

Contestant Characters increased from 6 to 9

Things I'd love to see....
Forge Mode and Custom Lobbies

VR Bucks into Coin (3,000VR = 150 coins) or Cosmetics buyable with VR bucks or unlocked through in-game actions.

Charms, Stickers, and SFX Audio unlockables being added to all equipment. (Rank 6 AK unlocks purple skin and AK Charm -example-)

EDIT: There shouldn't be an effect on any ability that debilitates the player in some way. (i.e. visible while using recon or costing health to defib)

[earnest ermine]

Then what's the point of using recon if it straight up disadvantages you

To paraphrase Hakita (dude who made Ultrakill). It's a good thing you people aren't designing this game or it would suck

[tribal spoke]

Disagree on the riot shield buff partially, I think using the camera angle trick adds a bit of skill expression and uniqueness to the shield. So id rather see a buff in other areas

[glad delta]

more career levels as new seasons come

[smoky storm]

I use Nvidia, but i wasn't able to get it working . If you can figure it out, let me know @quick coyote

[wary tapir]

they could just make defib the gadget and remove wallhacks. Also thank you devs for making an awesome game that is a breath of fresh air in the FPS scene.

[regal estuary]

did some testing, and settings which take up the most cpu frametime, effects (simply anything higher than low), veiw distance, and simply turning on rt (it uses more cpu than you think) ... my suggestion is to make the rt more gpu based than cpu based@keen steppethese settings should improve 99 percent fps ratios and cpu perf

[barren geode]

We really need a set of Finals themed ringtones.
Including the infamous Ooo-Wee-Ooo-Wee Cashout stealing Alarm.

[limpid rune]

This game absolutely needs a replay/clip system. Just had the most insane clutch but it sucks that nobody else will see it

[sand sable]

One explosive mine does not, but two, wich is what you have when picking explosive mines, even instakill mediums

There are ways to avoid gas, im just saying its too strong to promote taking other stuff

The rpg nerf was very needed and was even too soft for me... heavies can wipe teams without having to use their gun... its just dumb
And the rpg is free 140 dmg wich can hardly be avoided in many situations and even if you survive it takes you out of the play

@elfin tendon
I think if you just remove the spawn protection from revived teammates the defib would be fine already... because literally the most annoying thing about it is that you cannot shoot the guy and all your bullets vanish into nirvana
Also im not asking to remove the gadgets, but some are just way too powerful
Flashbang is doodoo... it could be good, but the effect is barely noticable, i have more than 200 hours and more than 3500 deaths. Not a single one was due to the effect of a flashbang

Also, the 15 minutes cooldown makes this channel a very bad place for discussions lmao🤣

[odd harbor]

was aim assist completely removed from pc

[daring fossil]

I've said this a dozen times before, and I have no problem repeating it another dozen times. There are ways they can nerf things without adjusting damage values all the time (it just requires effort, something the devs seem allergic to). I have repeatedly suggested changes they could have made to the RPG to make it more of a skill-based weapon as prior to the nerf and even after it, it's still just a swap-to-fire instantly for free kill. They could slow the swap speed, slow the projectile down, and make one-shotting only on direct hit. With the random deviation nerf it already got, it's pretty difficult to direct hit (especially beyond 10 meters), and everyone aims it at the floor usually anyways. This would have made it so a light could actually see the heavy pulling out the RPG before firing (ive died dozens of times from someone swapping to the RPG and firing it before I even see them holding the RPG, but that's their terrible interpolation) it and could react, and with a slower projectile could also react (unless close range anyways, but that's already not a problem because shooting the RPG at close range just kills the heavy now). You say heavy wipes teams without having to use their gun, I play sledge when I play heavy and there are so many instances that I am just standing around waiting for cool downs or running away because I literally can't do anything and can't even kill a light with an rpg anymore. unless you get the jump on people with the sledge, you're dead.

[blissful bridge]

What is the camera angle trick? I don't know about it. Please let me know so I can better understand.

The riot shield suffers from having to constantly chase. So a removed movement penalty would help with closing space only slightly but allowing the riot shield to be played more aggressively.

The extra damage was a suggestion from another user because it would make heavies 4 hits to eliminate instead of 5 which I think is fair.

@wary tapir I agree with "this game is a breath of fresh air.". So why would you advocate for changing it? You're asking for an entire ability to be removed. Embark themselves put this ability in the game just as much as they made C4+Barrel elimination an achievement.

It's supposed to be in the game, but it does need balanced. I have my suggestion right here.

Recon Senses: Non-togglable, 30 second cool down, louder audio cue.

This will keep it's current style and function but nerf the meta of spam scanning, camping, and chasing. This will make the ability be used more sparingly and with tactic.

[keen steppe]

Light:
Should get faster regeneration out of combat to improve their harass-playstyle.

Someone else mentioned a stimshot item which could also work out instead of changing the regen timer. Maybe even make it so you can choose to give that stim to a teammate instead of using it only on yourself.

The sniper could use some love as well. Not too sure about in what way tho, since that could easily make it too strong. Some experimentation with firerate might be a good first step imo.

M11 is in a weird spot too, it technically is slightly stronger than the xp-45 up close but overall still significantly worse. Maybe enhance the close-range capabilities even more so there is a clear difference between the two.

Second charge for grapple.

Sword should be able to hit multiple opponents with the charge attack. (The reverse of heavies hammer)

Medium:
After getting resurrected by defib you should not have invulnerability.

If you get defibbed as a medium you should have your own defib go on cooldown to prevent chain defibs.
OR
Make it so defib isn't instant but just significantly shortens the regular revive-time. Like a sped up version of the normal revive where you'd have to keep facing the downed-player trophy.

In addition a reduced effect for multiple healing beams on the same target would be good as well. One beam heals for 100%, two beams would heal for more than 100% but less than 200%.

Rework recon to a have 2 charges. A charge sends out a scan that highlights players in the vicinity for a short duration (it would keep its function as an intel gathering ability without being so overbearing). Or just get rid of it and replace it with defib.

Take a look at Fcar and tweak the numbers a bit.

Heavy:
Hammer horizontal swings should be able to hit multiple opponents. (The reverse of lights sword)

Performance:
Some performance and optimization improvements are very needed as well.

Melee AA should be toggleable.

[woeful juniper]

Input-based matchmaking with input lock while in-game would also be pretty cool, I've been able to switch between inputs in-game and it can be quite an unfair advantage, as well as playing controller on PC (I mainly used controller on shooters like BO2 on Xbox 360, haven't relearned for KBM) and I keep getting curb stomped by KBM players since they can have higher sensitivity and better reaction time, that's mainly why I think Input-based matchmaking would be awesome since it makes it fairer to be against players with the same input method.

(IBM would probably be opt-in, and if you don't have it on it uses standard matchmaking.)

[true gust]

nerf c4 because with the patch instade of nerf the heavy, the patch buff him and nerf light, now light is the only one who die every time by nuke and heavy is the only one who survive every time at nuke

[final shore]

buff recon

[shadow gyro]

just got an idea... instead of the 'orbital lasers' event replace it with a Godzilla event and have him just blasting the fuck out of everything with atomic breath.

[sand sable]

Yes youre playing sledge... but most heavies run rpg mesh c4 rpg
And c4 nuke and rpg can still wipe teams

Other nerfs to rpg are considerable, im just suggesting the easiest ones.
Insta kill light on direct hit is also maybe considerable, but only direct hit, not like it was before you just shoot the ground and the light is gone
Im a medium main btw, so its not that i just say all this because im a light and die to it all the time
Ive seen people running sledge with goo gun to immobilize them; looks kinds dope, if you dont have it they run away of course

@i.momo#0000 what about a giant then? 😁

[quick coyote]

(license issues, tho nice idea )

[glad delta]

Did you say Monster Mayhem?

Edited to say, I would appreciate more mutators, not replacing them

[worthy lantern]

why call it a first person shooter when you got swords sticks and a full a flamethrower!!

[daring fossil]

I'm probably going to quit playing this game until at least the next season. This game was so fun during the betas, but now it's just a slog and shit keeps getting nerfed into the ground. Terrible interpolation. Terrible abilities like endless range wall hacks and cloak that can just be spammed on and off (I don't care what any cloak users say, the last nerf was barely a nerf). Devs need to actually rework things and stop just adjusting values. The UI is terrible with the contestant and equipment screens (see my previous rework suggestion with provided examples I did in photoshop). So many hot takes from people that would be terrible game designers. devs say they don't balance based on feedback, but that's exactly what they seem to be doing and it's ruining the freedom of choice and fun sandboxy experience this game had. everyones just running medium now, and even in QP you rarely even see heavies now because they got nerfed so hard. (even I play mostly medium now because light is no fun when everyone has wall hacks). I had over 300 hours throughout the alpha and betas, and I have 170 hours on release, and I just can't anymore. (and neither can a lot of other players, lost 20k+ peak players since 1.5 patch just on steam alone). Fix your shit Embark, you had something here.

@sand sable I'm a light main, and the C4 and RPG nerf were too far over-nerfed IMO. If I died by an RPG, I accepted it as a bad play on my part. They could have nerfed them so many different ways instead of just nerfing damage into the ground and making C4 barrels only throw 4 feet now (considering a heavy can throw a fire barrel over 100m)

I use goo gun with sledge, but half the time you just fuck yourself over too because the goo is a little unpredictable.

[fathom gale]

Bye

[quartz girder]

cya

[woeful perch]

Later

[blissful bridge]

I agree with the light stuff, and the stim would be a great light gadget and contribute to the team by being able to use it on teammates.

Sniper needs to have an increase in damage after X meters away. Keep stats as they are now, but add the distance damage multiplier. This would promote using it like an actual sniper, but without hurting those who still like to use it close quarters.

M-11 needs either more bullets or better accuracy up close.

If grapple has 2 charges. You would have lights running the cashbox around the map playing keep away with the box. Grapple needs a faster recharge time so it can be used faster without enabling cashbox keep away.

I agree with hitting multiple opponents with sword (heavy attack) and sledge (light attack).

Removing 2sec invincibility is fair and would promote more thought into using the ability. This would help stop chain revives to a major extent as well.

I think the healing beam is fine where it's at currently. I do like that idea you have though, but let's not touch heal beams until we see how the game plays after recon and defibs get a slight rework.

Recon Senses needs to be non-togglable with a 30 second cooldown and a louder audio cue.

FCAR shouldn't be touched until we see what happens with recon and AA.

QoL improvements always, and togglable options always.

If matchmaking was fixed that would help the flow of the experience and stop unfair matching in ranked.

Cheaters always need to be stopped.

[young star]

im trying to find help for my friend. So it seems like his account got wiped compleetly. After update 1.5 he turned on game and saw tutorial screen and he had lvl 0 he lost his battlepass, skins, and credits. He sent email to embark but after few days sill there is no response. Also when he went to website he couldt link his steam to account. it looked like his acount got unlinked steam and all that he had on steam is lost now. He cant link it back he can only add ps or xbox account. He went now to job and asked me if i can find some help for him.

[sand sable]

The rpg and c4 didnt get nerfed into the ground lol, its still crazy strong.. and with red barell you can still get your 'nukes' into good distance.. the other barells more if its straight down, wich is good i think, it was just too fckn easy.
The heavy has 350 health, sick gadgets, sick guns, its still an insanely powerful class, same as the medium.
The light is just different, its not easy to balance when one class has more than 100% more health than another. And tho i think the stun gun nerf was good, i dont think we need any other light nerf as long as the light is basically useless in ranked.

The reason you see less heavies now, is because they switched to wallhacks, not because they are weak

[pliant rock]

thats right, and it'll nerf the healing beam everyone's spamming. I like that

[shell lotus]

Dev PLEASE add mnk support on console, mnk support is mandatory on a game that’s cross platform, like if want to play with my pc friends why can’t I plug in a mnk? But my pc friends can use both controller and mnk? Please allow both inputs on console, other games have no problem with this (cod, Fortnite) the little things matter, I will keep commenting this untill I feel heard ab this issue

[pearl mica]

Well, anti-cheat is still a mess. We now have 1-shotting Sword players who can hit you through walls.......

[young minnow]

I like this

[hidden thicket]

devs, word of warning, if you nerf the golden statues on monaco i am uninstalling.

[wide summit]

LET US CHANGE THE COLOR OF SKINS AND HAIR PLEASE THANKS

[fathom gale]

Xbox 360 ahh pfp

[worthy lantern]

couldn’t agree more! MnK input was enabled on xbox, means you already have the tech ready why not just put it in!!!!!

[woeful perch]

Alright Alright I am gonna make a compilation of what I think needs to be changed.

Heavy: I am not a heavy Player. I cannot give any constructive ideas on heavy. Maybe make M60 recoil suck just a slight bit less.

Medium:

Recon - Reduce range to 25 meters.
Remove defib I frames or lower them to 1 second
FCAR - Increase mag to 25 rounds. Lower damage by 12% and have damage fall off be steeper starting at 40 meters.

Light:

Increase base HP by 25. So 175 base HP.
Grapple - Two charges. If lights can play the game of cashbox keep away, then cool. Atleast they can be good at that.
Glitch - have it explode on shields, and decrease overall explosion when not hitting a shield to 1 second delay.
Sniper - Bring damage up to one shot head shot mediums
Dagger - Allow a back stab lunge animation
Throwing Knives - Allow them to hold the alternate fire. Having them be forced to go through the entire animation is dumb and feels really bad.
Stun Gun - I wouldn't touch it next patch but if light gets any of these buffs, maybe look into lowering stun time to 2.5 seconds. But yeah don't nerf that until other buffs take affect so we know that it actually needs the nerf.

Global Changes:

Mandate MNK. End this AA debate and console players crying about no MNK. Or at least disable controller for ranked. Oh and obviously disable controller on PC as well. Cannot argue about AA if there is no AA and no controllers.

[blissful bridge]

I agree with the light stuff, and the stim would be a great light gadget and contribute to the team by being able to use it on teammates.

Sniper needs to have an increase in damage after X meters away. Keep stats as they are now, but add the distance damage multiplier. This would promote using it like an actual sniper, but without hurting those who still like to use it close quarters.

M-11 needs either more bullets or better accuracy up close.

If grapple has 2 charges. You would have lights running the cashbox around the map playing keep away with the box. Grapple needs a faster recharge time so it can be used faster without enabling cashbox keep away.

I agree with hitting multiple opponents with sword (heavy attack) and sledge (light attack).

Removing 2sec invincibility is fair and would promote more thought into using the ability. This would help stop chain revives to a major extent as well.

I think the healing beam is fine where it's at currently. I do like that idea you have though, but let's not touch heal beams until we see how the game plays after recon and defibs get a slight rework.

Recon Senses needs to be non-togglable with a 30 second cooldown and a louder audio cue.

FCAR shouldn't be touched until we see what happens with recon and AA.

QoL improvements always, and togglable options always.

If matchmaking was fixed that would help the flow of the experience and stop unfair matching in ranked.

Cheaters always need to be stopped.

[proud ocean]

Since there is no input based matchmaking MnK on console isn’t allowed. Having Everyone Playing with controller on console guarantee a fair and balanced experience. No matter what u said but MnK vs Controller doesn’t guarantee a fair competition. People asking for it just wanna take advantage out of it.

[vernal girder]

So many hackers on this morning. Back to the pre-patch FCAR beaming 100% accuracy

[shadow gyro]

I'm sure Toho would be down if they asked lol

[sand sable]

Remove the aim assist nerfs from update 1.4.1 on console
Remove invulnerabilty from revived teammates
fix crossplay being permanently on Nerf dead go boom (longer timer, make trophies glow up before exploding)
Remove wallhack ability (rework)
Fix matchmaking
Add killcam
Add replay system so you can rewatch games from every contestants pov
Nerf gas
Nerf explosives
Dont let the game end as long as someone is actively stealing a cashout
Combine the throwing knife with dagger to make it usable as melee and ranged as well to maybe get at least one decent weapon instead of two useless

[sage bison]

Buff recon and add wallhacks please 🙏. I'm a controller player who never plays comp and I need to be catered to in order to enjoy the game. If I'm not having fun the game is trash.

[shell lotus]

Bro what are you talking about? On steam pc players have a huge mix of controller and mnk users, and it should be the same way on console if the game is cross platform, there is no taking advantage, people will use what they are most comfortable with and best at, your statement makes no since edit: @proud ocean your goofy bro, freedom of input should be allowed on console, the same way pc has it

[slender fractal]

are you conscious what are you asking for?

[soft gorge]

The game is crossplay, players on console are already being matched with pc players with MKB...

[latent root]

maybe thats already in the game but i couldnt find it anywhere. add a report button when youre spectating (this will be especially useful if killcam will ever be a thing). had multiple games where teamm8s were just going sniper and cloak and tried noscoping the entire match. wouldnt even respawn me or go for the obj which is just not ok in my opinion but maybe im just a little too mad at this. also for the obvious reason if someone is being super toxic or hacking
edit: im insanely stupid and just found it. sorry 🤦‍♂️

[opal zinc]

. you guys talk so much do you even play the game

imagen you sit there typing for 3 min just for me not to read or care about it

you waste 15 to say that lol

[vernal girder]

In all seriousness - did the teeny tiny flamethrower buff get reverted by accident in the last hotfix?

Lots of mediums getting away really badly this weekend, not taking enough burn damage as usual.

[woeful perch]

All I gotta say. The more I think about it the stupider these arguments are of AA vs MNK and the reasoning why MNK was banned on console and all the fucking drama attached to it all. Controller is a flawed input device for FPS. If it requires aim assist to compete with MNK, then it is probably not that good of an input for a fast paced shooter. Don't get me wrong, controller is good for racing games and other genres, but the fact that there has to be an entire system in place to make controllers feel useable for FPS shooters is absolutely wild. So? Enforce MNK. Then it literally doesn't matter if it is cross play. AA is a thing of the past. If you are good, then you are good, if you are bad, then you are bad. Even the playing field for once. Like I mentioned, maybe allow controllers in quick cash/bank it so that you don't just insta nuke the population instantly. That would allow you to sip on your cheap beer on the couch while you play.

But yeah nuke the archaic controls that controllers bring to the game. Oh and why the fuck is stick drift still a thing. Companies be charging 60+ dollars for controllers that get stick drift in like 2 weeks of use. Fucking garbage.

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Real talk tho, embark just allow mnk and enforce input based cross play. MNK plays with MNK and controllers vs controllers. That would fix a lot of things.

[autumn iris]

Hey, here's a cool suggestion, stop spawning me directly on the fucking enemy, thanks 👍

[opaque patio]

that is what happens when you look at the feedback channel of a game. People talk about the game. nobody cares if u read it moron. trapped u wasted your own time coming in here and acted like everyone was addressing you idk what youre doing

[stark remnant]

Why is it that every server I join people are fighting each other? Go fight IRL instead of acting like a big guy on the internet

[molten trail]

Exactly, there's plenty of fps games that no one plays with a controller and no one even talks about playing with a controller. The finals should be a PC MnK game and shouldn't appeal to console users. It can have support for controller, sure, but you don't need aim assist to be good and if you think you're at a disadvantage, then play a console only game or get a PC, stop asking for legal aimbot

[fossil walrus]

You really should be asking for gyro in everything. Then you would never be at a disadvantage and AA never has to be a thing. I've hated AA as a concept even in the 360 days. The controller stick issue has been fixed for a decade but people don't want progress

[fiery thorn]

so unlike many people who call for the downright removal of recon senses and as a person who uses it as a solo player because it's the best gadget since i usually can't rely on my teammates. my suggestion to change recon is to make it more like the HRV from Blacklight Retribution. When I first picked up Recon that is what it instantly reminded me of.

Essentially instead of having an activation cost there is a animation that you have to go through to use and get out of the recon.

You cannot shoot while in recon

Still has the drain on the resource meter while in use

To me this is what recon senses is most like and blacklight retribution did it probably the best.

[blissful bridge]

I'll make a list of what needs to be changed in my opinion. If it's not listed it doesn't need to be changed.

LIGHT
Class: Slightly Faster Health Regen

Grapple: faster cooldown time

Sniper: damage multiplier added after X meters from target

Throwing Knives: slightly faster attack time, held strong attack, tighter dispersion while moving, sliding, and jumping.

Sword: hit multiple opponents with heavy attack

Breach Charge: increase to 2 from 1 like C4

Thermal Vision: make it togglable

Glitch Grenade: Explode on contact / Shorter detonation time

Add Stim gadget that heals the light and can be used on teammates.

MEDIUM

Recon Sense: Non-togglable, 30 second cooldown, and louder audio cue.

Turret: slightly larger hitbox

Heal Beam: slightly reduce healing use time.

Riot Shield: movement penalty removed while blocking, and increase damage from 84 to 90.

Defibs: Remove 2 second invincibility

Jump Pad: activates underneath player when placed while running.

Glitch Trap: increase glitch time

HEAVY:

Sledge: hit multiple opponents with standard attack.

GAME ENVIRONMENT AND MODES:

Reduce health of all barrels.

Dead Go Boom: trophies have 5 sec timer with ticking audio, a visual cue, and can be throwable by anyone.

Personal idea: stun, sonar, and glitch barrels.

QoL IMPROVEMENTS

Color Wheel for all cosmetics, hair, etc. (primary, secondary, and accent)

Increase number of saved Contestants from 6 to 9

Forge Mode and Custom Lobbies

A better SBMM so ranked isn't matching with higher ranks and casual has better flow like in beta.

KBM on console
AA slightly improved for controller (finding a balance between last nerf)
Crossplay made togglable.

VR Bucks (3,000) can be traded for Coins (150)

Ban Cheaters

[thin lagoon]

I hope they fix the Mesh Shield bug that leads to a ridiculous ADS and FOV issue right after using it

[surreal meadow]

Nukes have not been nerfed. Please nerf nukes properly by removing the capability to place them on moving objects, cant do anything if a heavy swings the same corner with a nuke in hand

[neat siren]

Separated 3 stacks from solo and duo would be nice too when you think about it.

[fluid elbow]

Hey guys, new to the discord but hope to be around more often: are sound notifications when being invited to a team something we can expect in the future? or has it not been talked about yet?

[latent bobcat]

Is it a bug that i constantly play with pc players but I have crossplay off?

[trim swift]

You guys got a serious problem with having cross play off not working right. With cross play off, there are still PC players being put into lobby. Shit is so annoying. Ain't nobody on console trying to play with some cheating ass PC players.

[obsidian solar]

Massive W for the Riot Shield buffs, thanks man

[woeful perch]

What we are saying isn't for you to read or react to. You can if you want but your opinion really doesn't matter. Neither does mine. It is embarks opinion on these matters. Yes I waited my 15 minutes to send this.

@molten trail Eh if this was last generation of consoles I could get behind you. But in todays day and age, consoles can support MNK. So who cares if they play from PC or console. The physical input device matters a lot more now than console vs pc does.

@fiery thorn Not sure why I didn't think about that but I 100% can get behind atleast seeing how that feels to play with and against in game.

@stark remnant Kinda hard to fight these fuckers when they are hundreds, if not thousands of miles away from me.

@trim swift Listen we get it, we don't want to play with you either. However based on you coming in here just blanket stating that PC players are cheating, I am willing to bet less than 1% of all pc players you face are actually cheating.

[cosmic spear]

Absolutely no one, and I mean no one said that. Man basically said "get rid of your system, and drop over 1k on a new system just so you can play a the same game that mnk players broke and abused when they emulated controller just to cheat". You gotta be beyond braindead to say everyone has to play your way or no way. That's like saying every single racing game and fighter HAS to use controller and only controller, if you want to use anything else, you should suck it up and buy a console

[quick coyote]

The game should have where you can get in game cosmetics money currency over time in battle pass in like tier 50 jus like fortnite or completing hardest daily wuest can earn you.

[young minnow]

That guy is restarded

[opaque patio]

yeah i agree the company trying to make money should drop a ton of its players by becoming pc only

[gleaming tide]

rmv wll hk pls thk

[blissful furnace]

The dumbest take I have ever seen in 2024

[lusty wagon]

if solo bank is doing good will you make it a permanent game mode and will you ba able to add a solo ranked because playing with randoms is so annoying

[fossil walrus]

You just want to play against XIMs, Cronus and Strikepacks on console instead. No cheaters there for sure....and yeah it's a bug that will be fixed

@molten trail This response makes no sense. You should be encouraging them to use gyro, see if the AA change is better long term and for those that don't want to play crossplay to have the bug be fixed. Everyone shouldn't be forced to play on PC. Don't be a weirdo.

[quick coyote]

I'm a PC masterrace and tell people to stop using consoles and get a PC all the time.

Even I think you're stupid (or a good baiter).

[boreal wagon]

Remove / nerf recon

[daring fossil]

you do get 2 breach charges, you just need to wait the cooldown to place the second, and I dont think this needs to be changed (breach charge and frag grenades is the only things I've gotten to level 6 already). I actually think C4 should be made the same way, and revert the damage nerf. I agree with just about everything else though

[fierce flume]

Remove players complaining about meta please. biggest bug in the game.

[modern wedge]

ue5 crashes are still happening:(

[opal zinc]

will you wait 15m more to respond to me

[fiery thorn]

yeah i would love to see how it plays and just trying to spit out ideas instead of "remove recon"

[woeful perch]

Baby I have been waiting this whole time ❤️

[surreal meadow]

2xC4+orange barrel, 164+164+fire tick, balanced game mechanic. please remove nukes properly

[lost ruin]

Misty - Hacking

[molten trail]

CS has 1+ million concurrent players which has no console support as just one of many FPS examples that don't have it and don't need it. Anyway, let me rephrase, console support is fine, but you shouldn't appeal to console users with aim assist and other bs because it is an inferior system in the end. If you can't afford a PC and need a crutch for aiming, then that's your own problem and not something that the devs need to fix. There's nothing to fix, and it just creates more issues as we've seen (especially with all of the aim assist drama which has already made a lot of players quit)

I have a 360hz monitor, should my monitor's refresh rate be capped to 60hz so that everyone with 60hz has a fair advantage vs me? Should my fps also be capped to 30 so the enemy team playing on a toaster is on an equal playing field? Same logic applies to everything. Everyone is on a diff kind of system with diff kind of hardware. Someone will always be at a disadvantage.

If console players deserve a crutch, then so do ppl playing on toasters or people without expensive gaming hardware. So do people with disabilities who have visibility issues or can't hear. Maybe all deaf people should get a wallhack. There's 1000000 categories of people you could appeal to with 'assistance software' but for some reason console players feel entitled to it. Literally just disable crossplay or invest in a PC or find another game that isn't a competitive FPS game that's mostly meant to be played on MnK anyhow.

[quick coyote]

C4 on Red Canisters - Make them spin all over the place because they have some heavy mass on them - The nukes are still winning games without any gunfights. Eg: Red Canister sniping people from the street while they are rooftop of a 4-story 😆

[near silo]

Honestly, the problem with nukes is not damage or distance, but counterplay. Revert the damage changes to c4, decrease the weight that they inflict on objects, but in return make their hitbox large and health low, so that one shot to the object detonates it. This provides counterplay and give a solid risk v reward to them since you can be very likely to instantly die if you are not careful when wielding them and those on the receiving end get an opportunity to destroy them, when being held for a kill or mid air.

[blissful bridge]

I totally understand, I wish they'd revert the damage nerf too and making it one charge would be a way to do it.

I do prefer it being set at two charges though and I think taking that away would hurt it's function which is setting multiple traps. I don't want it nerfed any further that's for sure. C4 is fine where it's at currently.

I'd hope breach charges are treated the same way as C4 and lights are given two charges. That'd help buff the light class as a whole which is needed, because heavy doesn't need to be nerfed any further in my opinion but light does need a boost.

I hope I explained that well lol I feel the same way about C4 but I don't want to see heavy nerfed any further, and light needs a boost anyways so giving them 2 breach charges would be fair.

[neat siren]

REGION LOCK CHINA

[gleaming tide]

Add throwable egg skin for throwing knives.

[sick marten]

Has anyone else been experiencing issues with the dagger. I swear yhe backstabs just aren't working anymore, that and sometimes the animation just bugs out and the player model is stuck in the holding right click to charge animation

[fierce flume]

recon is rlly only bad for light players. the rpg was only rlly bad for light players. i see a pattern going on with what people complain about... @daring fossil i also think lights should 1 shot rpg. im just saying that its kind of dumb how lights cry when anything combats them @fossil walrus i agree with it, then i like it. do you want me to disagree with what i think?

[fossil walrus]

Recon is bad for anyone who wants to leave spawn or push points. Not just light players

Also stop liking your own comments lmao @fierce flume

[daring fossil]

lights had 2 charges without a cooldown in beta, and it was too strong, I use it almost exclusively as traps, or to drop a vault/cashout a floor, or rarely use it to blow a hole through a wall (mostly on vegas). Having 2 was just too easy to place on the cashout and go hide, now you have to be smart about returning to place the second one. I think it's fine the way it is.

@fierce flume im a light main and think the RPG should one-shot lights, I also think they nerfed C4 too hard. I also don't use cloak/stun/db or MP5 combo either, because cheese builds are no fun, and recon is no fun to play against as any class.

[opaque patio]

if recon is only bad for light players then why does every team have a recon in ranked when nobody uses light in ranked?

[solid narwhal]

Add input based matchmaking and a xim/cheat detection rework so we can have kbm on console!
Please and thank you.

[golden helm]

We need private games option so you can play in a game only with friends that be epic

[molten trail]

recon is only bad for everyone who doesn't have wallhacks

[sour bane]

I pray the day I see #patch-notes light up, but this week probably won't be it

[lapis solar]

light is over powerd

[proven pelican]

put it a system auto-report for people with scores like these

[vast quail]

same fucking NEED that patch note dopamine

[blissful bridge]

Someone give this man an Egg shaped trophy! This is an amazing idea!

@fierce flume it's because of that in casual and ranked meta, which ranked meta is no reason to remove or completely change an ability. I explain how recon should be to Vudu below to help it become better balanced without removing it or changing it's function completely.

@fossil walrus recon is supposed to be used in countering pushes and surveying spawns. It's broken right now because it's togglable and can be spammed without having to wait for a cooldown. It needs to be made non-togglable with a 30 second cooldown and a louder audio cue. That would stop the spam scans, camping, and hunts majorly making it's use far more situational instead of being available always.

@daring fossil I understand what you mean, but perhaps it would help give the light class a boost in power. I agree completely about C4 and the RPG.

@proven pelican an auto system for bans based on bad k/d isn't the way to go and would discourage both new players and casual play. You can always block a player you do not want to encounter again.

@fierce flume I agree. It needs balancing, but they want to have it completely removed or change it's live-feed function which I think is extremely drastic. It's not that OP but it is higher tier and needs balanced. If you don't agree with them they'll just scream "wall-hacks and information", and then proceed to say that you must main recon and it's your clutch. It's absolute recess conversations with them.

[hollow mango]

yh this is an amazing idea

[fierce flume]

man wants people who are probably new to the game to be banned? i thought yall were mad about the game getting less players.

Also @blissful bridge i do agree recon should be nerfed, but its not AS OP as people are making it out to be.

@gleaming tide it should come with a little chick pet.

[smoky gust]

1. in that case, counter play would not exist for melee weapons

2. a heavy can still throw the nuke as soon as he sees you
   -if you want to make sure you hit it, you need to ads, by then the nuke is likely outside of the heavies lethal range
   -if you want the chance of killing the heavy with it, you need to spray and pray, which leaves counter play up to a coin-toss

3. if you just make the c4's hitbox bigger it will explode a lot more often when it looks like it hasn't even been hit, making it feel buggy

4. what about all the times we don't see it it coming, we would just be randomly 1-shot again like we used to, not fun

we always could shoot c4, that didn't work
making it easier to counter in this specific way still leaves it busted in so many other situations

c4 is mostly fine the way it is now and way more balanced than before

[tiny grail]

It's a light lol, checks out

[ebon elbow]

Mnk on consoles

[fossil walrus]

There are a bunch of different counters to pushes that don't involve cross the map hacks. Mines, sonar grenades, turrets, goo gun etc. That's not a good reason to keep recon in the game. Especially when it does work that should be done be the player themselves which is having game sense and gathering intel.

If you want to know where the team is pushing from then actually position yourself so you can see them coming instead of turtling with a wall back ability. It's just lazy gameplay.

[sonic flare]

Theres no defending recon
Someone give me a good reason why it should be in the game 🤦‍♂️😂

[solid narwhal]

Add input based matchmaking and a xim/cheat detection rework so we can have kbm on console!
Please and thank you.

[hard wasp]

There is no good reason lol. They can just test the game with Recon disables for a week and 100% I bet all my skins in the game that everything will be better and more loadouts will be viable.

[tawdry shuttle]

What happend to the beta skins? I swear during the closed beta the game was loaded with awesome skins and now it barely has anything. Also please fix desync i'm tired of ducking behind cover just to get shot anyways.

[manic aspen]

i am yet to encounter a top 1000 player not using quick melee exploit

[foggy ginkgo]

All the recon crybabies continuing

[fierce flume]

umbrellas should make you bounce like in mario. it would be fun

[sand sable]

Remove the aim assist nerfs from update 1.4.1 on console
Remove invulnerabilty from revived teammates
fix crossplay being permanently on Nerf dead go boom (longer timer, make trophies glow up before exploding)
Remove wallhack ability (rework)
Fix matchmaking
Add killcam
Add replay system so you can rewatch games from every contestants pov
Nerf gas
Nerf explosives
Dont let the game end as long as someone is actively stealing a cashout

[vast quail]

Remove Recon

[sharp slate]

Why was the Light Class pistol buffed? That was a bad decision.
Also please remove the double damage you take from your own explosives. LoL

[vernal girder]

Seriously, flamethrower damage needs to be looked at post hotfix. Damage feels incredibly low for the very short range, especially in light of excessive range benefit to Medium FCAR users. Even at point blank range it remains a 50/50 coin flip against mediums. What's the point of the thing if it can't easily win a close up engagement against a smaller health pool enemy? It has no range AT ALL - so it needs to be a lot better within 5 feet.

[plain matrix]

After 1.5.1 patch literally every heavy making "nukes" and just oneshots you, doesn't matter if you are heavy, medium or light. It's just so annoying, and there is nothing to do, when you see this monster near your face

[lapis solar]

Why do we receive minus points when someone leaves the game? It's really frustrating to play 2 vs 3."

[proven pelican]

yeah i aint reading allat but to your last point: no

that would remove the enjoyment of clutch, last second steals if the cashout just pauses for no reason

[steel stirrup]

Nice Nuke nerf

[austere rampart]

this

[solid narwhal]

Kbm on console

Remove recon

Fix cheating problem

Nerf defib

Fix input lag for mouse

Fix the doors everyone keeps getting stuck on

[opaque patio]

make heavy immune to fire damage during charge just cause it would look cool

[foggy ginkgo]

Recon And defib skill issue

[blissful bridge]

Recon absolutely belongs in the game. The developers at Embark even made stickers, audio, and a charm to go with it.

The three biggest and laziest arguments I see for recon are calling it wall-hacks, claiming information, and saying "get good" with game sense.

None of those are good reasons to remove it entirely from the game and contribute nothing to crafting an unique and enjoyable game.

I think ignorance of what an FPS can be is damaging to the genre as a whole. It's limited in view and imagination for the variety of different forms of gaming.

Recon is not balanced currently, but that doesn't mean it should be removed or drastically changed.

It needs to be made non-togglable with a 30 second cooldown and a louder audio cue.

It will be better balanced after that change.

[tribal spoke]

The pings need to be delayed. It shouldnt be a live view of the enemy team imo

[fossil walrus]

So is your issue with the wall hack label is due to you not knowing what wall hacks are? If you look up what ESP or wall hacks are on YouTube it literally looks like Recon. Almost to a T. The only difference is the outline is different and that's a style choice. Wall hacks are always a good idea to remove as that's the most useful, individual form of cheating in FPS games.

You talk about ignorance but you seem to have no idea about the reasons for people's arguments and you've admitted to only playing quickplay and having issues with competitive games in the past.

[vast quail]

Remove Recon

[molten trail]

they're gonna lose far more money from recon pissing people off and making players quit than what they paid for the audio and stickers and bs

[sand sable]

That actually gives you a chance to clutch... how annoying is it when you wipe out the last team with 3 seconds left and you cannot win because you need 5...
The cashout shouldnt just pause for no reason, just give you a 'last chance' when youre stealing it when its about to end
Its just my personal opinion, id prefer that

@proven pelican no, that is yours, this is my feedback, you dont have to agree with it, no issue with that

[pliant onyx]

with you on this one tbh, removing an interesting ability entirely instead of making it fair and providing long counterplay times is allot more fun an engaging for the person who wants to use recon, it also makes specific weapon builds and setups more viable, such as mines and shotguns, a long cooldown and loud audio cue for the user makes it allot harder to use mid battle.

you have to remember as well that picking this nerfed recon also means your team lacks the healing beam ability, and also the sentry turret, both of which make holding a hell of a lot easier than using a nerfed recon could, if nerfed properly

[proven pelican]

your "last chance" is clearing the enemy team out faster

[smoky gust]

I think there is a case to be made for both sides of the argument

but just consider:
you have been defending a cashout for almost 2 minutes now but get rushed by both teams at the last second and get wiped
whoever wins will get it and you were punished for winning

if the match doesn't get extended, that means that there is at least a chance you may keep it, if the others are too occupied with fighting

[opaque patio]

i think it's much more satisfying to clutch by getting on the steal and not knowing if you have the time like a bomb defuse rather than it being guranteed once you start the steal.

[blissful bridge]

I never said Recon doesn't need balanced, but it definitely doesn't need to be removed or changed drastically.

@fossil walrus I'm well aware of what wall-hacks are my guy, and I never said I had issues with competitive games just the competitive fanbase which I find absolutely toxic.

I'm not ignorant of balancing issues or people's arguments and that's why I'm advocating for balancing an ability instead of calling it "wall-hacks" and persisting it be removed.

EDIT: I play casual because I derive my enjoyment from the gameplay and not from K/D, Ranks, or Wins.

@fierce flume if I do become President someday, I'll make sure you're my Vice President. ❤️

[fierce flume]

based opinions. you should run for president.

[solid narwhal]

Add input based matchmaking and a xim/cheat detection rework so we can have kbm on console!
Please and thank you.

[livid stag]

NERFF MEDIUM ANNOYING META

[fossil walrus]

People call it wall hacks because it perfectly emulates what wall hackd are. It's literally wall hacks in all but name. And yes there's nothing wrong with with playing a game casually but you also need to realize that you're a casual player who might not understand what better players might mean in regards to game mechanic.

If things were balanced around bad, casual players then characters like Zangief(the worst character in almost every Street Fighter he's been in) would be further nerfed because bad players can't stop running into lariat. This is the same thing.

Just because you think it's a fun concept to have cross the map wall hacks doesn't mean it's healthy for the game long term. You'll understand the issues more when people in your casual games start abusing it too.

[reef galleon]

dev looking at this chat be like :💀 🤡 🤓 🖕

[fierce flume]

a game mode thats quick cash but every 1 or 2 min there is a gameshow event. (the event never ends and they stack onto each other) CHAOS!

[short fossil]

does anyone else have the problem where their facewear just doesnt show up in game?

[golden blade]

Suggestion for Medium, specifically MMM setups:

Remove defib as gadget, tie it to heal beam. Hold Q or specialization key over a statue and defibs come out to revive. Hold trigger on players to heal.

This will remove the cancer that is MMM. It is too strong because you can have 3 beam or any variation of recon and turret and it is too strong because of defib chain. If you want to run recon or turret, no defibs.

Simple fix that is quite balanced.

[livid stag]

Nerf Scar👍 👎

[quick coyote]

get rid of las vegas. the map is flat and boring

[sharp belfry]

I don't really see how that prevents heal + defib stacking. Better to replace recon with defib then you have to choose defib or heals and gets rid of recon

[fallen copper]

make mines stick to players and teammates

[smoky gust]

that would change literally nothing except giving medium another slot to use on utility
so perhaps you meant it differently

if it had a shared charge and it either gets depleted steadily by healing or fully if you defib (and requires a full charge to defib), that might work
(though I'm very skeptical of it)

thoughts?

[fathom gale]

Ask Mufasa

[cloud locust]

I think something that would be very advantageous would be if you could see the weekly and daily progress in the escape-pause-menu.

[sage bison]

When is Embark adding aim hacks for controller players?

[reef galleon]

fuck it how u doing guys

[still pewter]

cant wait for the finals to be an actual esport, it seemed ready right out of beta

[weary lion]

Hey Devs, I just had the craziest idea ever. Make recolors of every common skins (Hair, Shirts, Pants, Hat/Masks, etc.) and make it so we can use our VR Currency to buy them

[golden blade]

It would force people who run turret or recon to sacrifice heal beam AND defib. That way they don't have the best of all worlds. Heal, while strong, is nothing compared to defib chaining.

By limiting defibs to heal beam, it would force teams to sacrifice turret and recon if they want to run triple heal beam. A triple heal beam is easier to deal with than a heal, turret recon or heal double turret with APS.

Right now all three specializations can create a defib chain and thats too strong.

[tough topaz]

bring back mouse and keyboard support on consoles and also input based matchmaking please!

[blissful bridge]

The problem with "competitive players" is that they cry about meta loadouts, but they'll bully anyone who doesn't play X character or item.

You attempt to insult me by insinuating my skill and understanding of gaming while you advocate for removing an ability just because it doesn't fit in with your preferred gameplay style.

I play against recon, invisibility+shotgun, triple turret, and heal+defib trains in casual. I also go against keep away plays with the cashbox. I encounter a larger meta loadout abuse in casual than you do in ranked and yet I still enjoy every second of this game.

Competitive players who think games shouldn't be balanced for "bad casuals" are the very fanbase that slowly erode the enjoyability of games through unending complaints.

The casual fanbase are the majority and crafting the game around the opinions of "better players" will not lead to a fair and balanced game. It's fair and balanced when casuals have the ability to compete enjoyably while experienced players can still use their "game sense" to win.

[smoky gust]

didn't think about that

but that would be more of a nerf to recon and turret
but it leaves it just as strong if not stronger on one of its strongest synergies

[honest musk]

has anyone figured out a trick to the healing beam glitch? feel free to dm me because oh man does it hinder a match to not have a specialization

[fossil walrus]

It's not about my preferred playstyle. That's why I keep saying that you don't understand people's arguments at all. Not advocating for wall hacks isn't a "playstyle" argument. It's not wanting the main cheat that has broken so many FPS games to be sanctioned by a game that I don't want to die.

Regardless of what it is and no matter how egregious there will always be who blindly defend it just to be different. Let me ask you if recon/wall hacks weren't already in the game, would you be asking for it to be added? I guarantee you the answer would be no. But you defend it because you think that whatever is already in the game is best just because the devs put it there.

Devs make mistakes too. That's the purpose of patches, betas and "launch-feedback" channels. To correct those mistakes. I remember a bunch of people blindly defending decisions in Halo Infinite like the AA balance, performance issues, input lag, lack of maps etc and it had 270k players at its peak.

Within it a month it lost 124k people. A month later another 80k. Within 6 months the game barely cracked 15k total on Steam. If that's what you want then keep blindly defending mechanics and decisions that push people to other games and then repeat the cycle for the next game and wonder why the same thing keeps happening.

[rich fox]

damn

[quick coyote]

iT ALREADY IS. CANT YOU HEAR THE CROWDS IN THE STADIUM=

[hallow ruin]

He was harsh, but not untruthful

[flat shale]

OMG NO WAY BRO FINALLY SOMEONE WHOS HELPING ME SPREAD OUT THE WORD LIKE DAMN I MADE A SONG ABOUT KEYBAORD AND MOUSE ON CONSOLE FOR THE FINALS https://clipchamp.com/watch/GrKWomuKTRx

[golden blade]

Recon isnt why so many people left. It's because a vocal minority cries on the internet to nerf everything and the devs listened for whatever reason so people left.

If the result of people bitching and moaning on the internet and here is the game dies in the pursuit of making their class perfect or achieving "balance" then so be it. This game was wildly popular in both betas and immediately after release. Its when the cancerous attitudes of the player base emerged crying for nerfs to EVERYTHING that things ended up how they did.

Keep crying for nerfs and the game WILL die. It's already happening.

[keen steppe]

Its the initial hype phase of a game that was very successful in its beta phases. After a couple weeks past full release the honeymoon phase ended and a lot of people noticed all the little things that were annoying/badly balanced etc. It's normal for games to drop a good amount of active player numbers, if it keeps dropping tho it's an issue with the game

[cerulean vortex]

Absolute incorrect

[dawn anchor]

LMAO devs please hear this man out

[buoyant current]

Has anyone else had the glitch where your character looks around rapidly without any imput??? It doesn't seem to be any sort of lag.

[summer venture]

this is the best and most accurate image about the finals thank you for showing me this @quick coyote

[reef galleon]

g

[warped kettle]

a

[hallow ruin]

Agreed

[wind frost]

did you make that?? @quick coyote

[fiery harness]

everyone complains about fcar being broken but i barely see people using it and if they do they suck most of the time

[acoustic harbor]

thats cuz ur playing quick play lmfao

[forest anchor]

Hello . I'm French, sorry for the writing mistakes.

I have come to ask the creator of the game to remove the recognition. In a tactical game, having a cheat system should not be available. It is impossible to surprise the opponent if it is possible for him to see every movement.

Another problem exists. Being able to play with three same classes kills the game. When death is no longer positive, because three mediums are resurrected and healed in a loop. It's like playing against three teams instead of one. All classes must be compulsory, at least classified.

If this is not done, the game will never be competitive.

Otherwise, you must remove the heavy and light characters.

The game is good, and the more time passes, the more I have the feeling that the game is going to be an anthem.

[whole acorn]

This game is perfect

[kindred jewel]

all i see in ranked is fcar i see akm maybe 1 every 10 players

[sharp tartan]

Unsure where else to post this:
I wish I could rename my contestants!
I've already pack bonded with my contestants and two of them are engaged now in my personal lore
Would be nice to give them names. 💖

[rustic rampart]

dawg it is definitely the weapon i hyave the most deaths to 100%

[cerulean vortex]

Comparing player sentiment in small beta, to public release, is apples and oranges.

I don’t think it’s a vocal minority it’s legitimate player feedback. The sample size increased considerably. More issues were found as we got more data points.

Game is in good spot, but recon should be moved to a scan. It’s crazy being able to know player position and pre fire. Nothing else like it in the game.

Yes metas come and go, but I haven’t seen a strong argument “defending” Recon that isn’t “players are cry babies” —> that argument is blatantly avoiding the issue and blaming the players.

[frail prawn]

Recon can belong to the game, but not on how it works right now, right now its just almost wallhacks (cuz, yeah, obviously real wallhacks are just worst), being with charges will be way better, also an msg for the players than they are being seen by the player will be nice to have but that's not a need and all those people who think its okay, not broken or ask for "get good" or "learn to counter" its because they clearly are Recon players that cant get good at the game without using it

Dfib isn't that OP to be its own special skill like a lot of people ask for tbh but there's clearly an issue when an entire team of 3 becomes 6 due to every one of them being able to revive each other once, there's 2 approaches to a fair defib, one is just removing the i-frames when u get revived by defib, another can be than if you get revived by a defib, your own defib enters on cooldown from 0, this will also prevent those endless reviving teams by letting defib working exactly as it works right now

FCAR, just go look at the dps, it does waaay more damage than AKM even when the game tells than they are the same and it does have a way more faster TTK for a weapon that has way better firerate, better sight and its easier to control, there's just no reason to pick AKM when FCAR exist, it should be balancing between those two, something than one does better than the other but the only good thing about AKM is the amount of bullets which usually doesn't matter cuz FCAR kill a M in like 10 body shots, it can erase Lights with only 6 bullets and like 4 headshots, AKM needs like 2-3 bullets more to kill each class

[blissful bridge]

Yes I would defend it and I would ask for it to be implemented if it wasn't already. I think they should add a balanced "aim-bot" feature akin to either McCree or Soldier 76 into the game. That would be a fun and cool ability if balanced correctly. You're opinion of the FPS genre is limited in view.

Halo Infinite is a poor comparison to THE FINALS.

Infinite was a greedy half-finished mess of a game lacking in both multiplayer and campaign. It's just now barely becoming what it should've been at launch and I'm deeply disappointed with it. Corporate greed and consumer ignorance at it's best. It deserves to be forgotten and the Halo title stripped from it's name.

I've been a huge Halo fan since it first released and I had it on Xbox throwing LAN parties with the homies. I followed the Bungie Weekly Updates. I was there when Halo 2 released, which is where I got my name from creating my first Xbox Live account, and I was there when the BXR combo became the meta and everyone abused it. Some of my best online multiplayer memories are from Halo 1, 2, and 3. THE FINALS is some of the most fun I've had in online multiplayer shooter since those games and a few others.

You say I'm blindly defending mechanics and decisions that pushes people away, but you are perpetuating the very attitude that actually ruins a game.
What @golden blade said is a fact. "Keep crying for nerfs and the game WILL die. It's already happening.".

Far more popular titles have been ruined from the complaints of toxic competitive ranked players crying for "nerfs and balance".

I enjoyably played Overwatch and Apex when they were first released and seen them devolve into an absolute mess because the "best players" gave their "best feedback".

[quick coyote]

Halo used to be amazing. But ever since they started listening to the "pros" the game went down hill. The aiming became garbage and the game just became about cosmetics and not about fun. Infinite is a terrible product.

[fossil walrus]

You think that people left because they wanted to use one shot nukes so much that they couldn't take it?

Or was it the cheaters, the fact that everyone is running recon in ranked, the lack of SBMM leading to people getting pubstomped by diamonds when they just hit silver etc. No it's because certain things got nerfed.

@blissful bridge And yet many of the competitive ranked games are the most popular. Look at the leaderboards of both Steam and console and you'll see that your arguments don't hold water. But you can find plenty of games that didn't address problems that died a quick death and for every last one of them there were stans like you and @golden blade who defended all the decisions and told people to stop asking for changes until they looked around them and found out they were the only ones left.

[smoky gust]

being restricted is not fun, so being forced to play L/M/H would not be good
it removes plenty of interesting strategies and introduces the problem of que times

what you are suggesting is more of a way to avoid the problem (while creating a bunch of new ones) instead of fixing the issues that come with stacking defibs

a simple nerf in some way would be both easier and healthier for the game

[molten trail]

the average player doesn't even know what nerfs happened or anything about the game, they likely left cus the game has no text chat or custom games, optimization issues, random cheaters, aim assist drama, still feels very unpolished in a lot of ways, etc. Recon meta is definitely stale and exhausting to play against. Also the fact that the game doesn't separate solo Q from lobbied parties which means you're constantly going against sweaty comm ttv tryhards even as a solo player. There's a lot of issues this game needs to fix.

[soft mist]

Hey. I got the newest i9 CPU and a rtx 3080 ti, for some reason i only get 80-90 fps since today in the finals. Anyone knows a fix?

[woeful perch]

Hey so since lights aren't allowed to play the game except in quick cashout, we are turning Light build into OW discussion.

[olive epoch]

Did devs know that there is fucking wallhack in the game? Remove it. REMOVE RECON

[short cove]

remove recon from the game. nerf defib. fix red canister nuke (make it slow like other nukes). nerf heavy shotgun. thanks.

[weary flame]

didn't heavy get nerfed to the ground already?

[hard wasp]

Can we have the damn game detect when there is a leaver or even a guy who never connected in the first place, so we can leave without penalty or not lose fame points upon defeat? It's so bad and such an oversight.

[forest anchor]

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il n'est pas possible de faire une bonne partie, si la mort nest pas positive.
Et ne pas pouvoir surprendre l'ennemi, enlève l'aspect principal du jeu.
" vous pouvez tout détruire pour surprendre vos ennemis"
Et il n'y a pas trois classe pour être jolie. Il faut pouvoir exploiter le jeu pour ce qu'il à était conçu. Et je ne demande que ça pour les parties classées. Le mode amateur, peut être joué comme chaquun le souhaitent

c'est un jeu tactique, pas un un fortnite.
it is not possible to play a good game if death is not positive.
And not being able to surprise the enemy takes away from the main aspect of the game.
"you can destroy everything to surprise your enemies"
And there are no three classes to be pretty. You have to be able to exploit the game for what it was designed to do. And I only ask that for ranked games. Amateur mode can be played however anyone wants

It's a tactical game, not Fortnite.

[near ice]

Hey Embark! Could we get combat boots with soles that light up when we step?

[blissful bridge]

It's a multitude of things that lead to people leaving.

You can't defend drastically changing the game and nerfing / removing abilities over ranked meta strategies as a competent "balancing" debate.
You will never find balance in ranked modes, and there will always be another chosen meta strategy.

Poor SBMM and Cheaters always need to be fixed to craft a more enjoyable experience.

Recon Sense just needs to be made non-togglable with a 30 second cooldown and a louder audio cue to help balance it and stop the meta of spam scanning indefinitely which nerfs camping and chasing with the ability.

The most popular competitive titles are also generally agreed to have the most incredibly toxic fanbases.
Their popularity is based on the clout of rank and not the enjoyability of the gameplay.

[warm vapor]

Hello Embark, I think im talking for almost everyone when I say we need an add friend on discord or steam button, we need somehow to be able to add player we encounter ingame and talk with them. Once you get a good team you cannot say goodbye after a game you cannot give them your discord or steam account you cannot ask them when are they gonna be online again you cannot do anything and besides whenever they are online you cannot know if they are in a lobby or in a game already it doesn't say.. it only say online.... if its to much hustle to add a chatbox , then please let us share out steam/discord accounts ingame so people that played with us can add us. THANK YOU! EDIT: yea im talking about those who doesn't use mic.

[fossil walrus]

Anything popular always has a toxic fanbase. Even the "casual" ones. Fortnite is famous for toxicity and yet it's casual. This utopia of non toxic mp games doesn't exist and hasn't existed since the days of the server browser.

Once again if recon wasn't already in the game would you be asking for it to be added? The answer to that is no. So why keep blindly defending it at the expense of the rest of the game?

[ivory summit]

being disconnected by a crash then rejoing in to ranked tornement as soon as the game is launched and playing out that match should not result in me being punished as i didnt abandoned the match i came back to play it out since the game crashed on me and as a rsult of this im kicked from the rank tornement and told i cant play even thougth we won the round

[smoky gust]

just because something got nerfed doesn't mean its trash
they were way too strong

now that they cant 1-shot people for free they are pretty balanced as far as I'm concerned (propane nuke remains a pain point though)

[solid narwhal]

@flat shale
fire ass song bro, fr 🔥

Add input based matchmaking and a xim/cheat detection rework so we can have kbm on console!
Please and thank you.

[sage bison]

Embark should give the defib 2 charges and give medium 300 hp. Thought?

[smoky canopy]

The light has a good gun but needs to have a bit more health cus i cant FUCKING COMPETE WITH MEDIUNS WITH 100 MORE HEALTH THEN ME

[late hinge]

buff throwing knives

[zinc bramble]

Can you please fix console lag! The game is unplayable.

[fierce flume]

the point is that they die quickly you need to skill all over them to survive

[woeful perch]

Join us in Light-Buil- Ahem I mean Overwatch chat where we discuss a different game because lights aren't allowed to play anything but quick cash and bank it.

[deft moth]

light is too annoying to play against,that should be fixed first

[blissful bridge]

I answered you in my Halo post and it's literally the first thing I talked about in my post. Go back and read it.

Actually, since I have a cooldown time for posting let me just quote it for you.

"Yes I would defend it and I would ask for it to be implemented if it wasn't already. I think they should add a balanced "aim-bot" feature akin to either McCree or Soldier 76 into the game. That would be a fun and cool ability if balanced correctly. You're opinion of the FPS genre is limited in view."

🙂

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Recon Senses needs to be made non-togglable with a 30 second cooldown and a louder audio cue.
This would stop the indefinite spam scanning which would help nerf the camping and chasing abuse of the ability.
This doesn't remove or over-alter the ability, but instead helps balance it while keeping it's style and function.

[fossil walrus]

Yeah I don't think you're being truthful at all. Just being a contrarian which for some reason exists for literally every position.

"Hey seeing people across the map off spawn is kind of broken. why have this in the game"

"But I like wall hacks! You're ruining my fun for taking it out"

Then on top of that you want to turn The Finals into another MOBA FPS like Overwatch by mentioning Soldier's Ult. Remember you saying before that other people looking to remove recon only wanted to do so to conform to their playstyle? Well here you go doing exactly that.

[chilly niche]

The heavys 'nuke' needs to be removed ASAP. I get the whole selling point of the game is using your enviroment and ingenuity blah blah blah but it has the ability to one shot a entire lobby. Its especially broken in the last round of a tourney, if your holding a point, you can essentially spawn camp them with recon + nukes.

[molten trail]

Add text chat so that people can actually communicate

[harsh panther]

It got severely nerfed

[frail prawn]

what you mean? there's no more an issue, its actually pretty weak due to the double nerf on its damage and it weight, with just the weight was enough tbh

[smoky gust]

just as much as something can be nerfed and not be trash, something can be nerfed and still be too strong
its pretty annoying to die in 1 hit without any fault of your own

the nuke nerf was good but it just made it happen less, if you have propane its still just as strong

@deft moth the nerf was good, but the propane canister nuke is virtually unaffected because the weight doesn't slow it down (unlike mines for example, which do slow it down)
the propane nuke is pretty much at the same broken state it was before the update

[deft moth]

Already been made very hard to nuke since C4 Adds mass to the prop its sticked to, making it very heavy and not be throw even 10-15 feet

[glad delta]

I honestly don't have the same issues with RPGs and nukes anymore. It's easy to tell when they've got them, you can anticipate the throw and move to avoid. You no longer get hit with the giant fire barrel bomb from like 50 feet away

I'm a light main and honestly I just need things balanced enough to not hate the game. It feels better all the time. I am constantly running into surprising someone just to have them prefire around the wall, so that's the next thing ig

[late hinge]

I hope Embark can see the difference between people just crying about something they don't know how to counter and actual feedback

[reef jasper]

nerf recon... there is no business having wall hacks in the game

[kindred jewel]

theres no way guys are seriously defending recon bro... 💔 💔 😭

[rustic rampart]

idk how to feel abt it

[blissful bridge]

I'm level 1 with recon, and I don't use it because I'm not good with it.
You want me to take a picture and send it to you?
Should I make it my PFP?

You are ruining the fun of those who enjoy the ability by asking for it to be removed instead seeking a way for it to be balanced.
You are forcing others to conform to your preferred gameplay.

So you can see people as soon as you spawn, I wonder where they are going?
Is it the objective, it's the objective isn't it. So OP and way too much information right?
I guess cross map Recon is completely broken when you can see a team you can't shoot that's moving towards the only objective.
We should all just have "game sense" and memorize spawn locations instead because that's not broken.

[last swift]

Off topic, I just joined the discord. I cannot stand being put into multiple ongoing matches in a row when everytime I’m placed on the worst team. One game I was only in for 30 seconds before it was over, they had $40,000 banked and the team I was placed on had none. Please fix the matchmaking or give us an option to turn off joining ongoing matches

[wary dome]

this is probably due to how often people leave matches since they dont need anything from staying to the end

[fossil walrus]

I'm sure they can. Especially when most of the better players and casuals agree that something is an issue. I just hope they act quickly enough.

@kindred jewel he's been defending it for days with the same 2 people parroting it.

@blissful bridge Yes there is one objective but there are multiple ways to get to it and attack it. Normally you have to either scout or gameplan to cover the different options a team chooses. Recon means you know exactly where they are. I'm sure lights and better players like not getting prefired all match. Stop being the fun police and ruining the fun of those that enjoy an entire THIRD of the game.

Also as an edit tournament has two objectives until the finals. So that shows that your opinions all come from quick cash or bank it

[smoky storm]

healing beam:Heal from two beams DOES NOT STACK. Healing is paused for 1/8-1/4 second if target takes bullet dmg. Help prevent mercy healbotting cosplay. environmental/gas/fire dmg does not trigger cd

Remove/nerf Recon: #👂┇game-feedback message
nerf/rework defib:#👂┇game-feedback message

Glitch nade explodes on impact with shield, player, or equipment.otherwise regular fuse

db shotty rework:#👂┇game-feedback message

1.5-2x Dash range
2 charges of grapple hook

Gadget/C4 Nerf:#👂┇game-feedback message

Option for "sprint always enabled" / auto sprint, or sprint/sliding interaction reworked(Please see this video, where it is described in detail https://youtu.be/tdOKEgrwZHc). Currently movement is pretty good, but also a bit awkward from a control perspective due to how sprint and slide interact. It could be massively improved via updated controls.

option for dark flashbang

Please give alternate team colors, colors are hard to distinguish

Allow for separate Jump/Vault keybinds on MNK

Using scroll wheel for jump/vault causes inconsistency, please fix/address

Improve subregion matchmaking(always low ping)

built in performance and network indicators FPS, ping, packet loss

Input based matchmaking: #👂┇game-feedback message

In ranked mode, all teams start with 10k, instead of 0(more stakes when fighting early)

Option to disable TAA and all anti-aliasing(I beg!)

Visual Clarity and gunsight fix:#👂┇game-feedback message

ladders do not autoclimb,require pressing "use" key

event suggestions: #👂┇game-feedback message

[sage bison]

Why are lights so tanky? They should have 100hp max, but 75 is probably good

[late hinge]

heavy is way too fast. reduce travel speed by half

[rich fox]

is there really no chat box...?

[quick coyote]

RIP💀

[rustic rampart]

dawg ain't no way 💀 i say 175 would be fair as it is now they are wayyyy to flimsy like what are you talkin abt they are attrociously low health they get melted by any gun insstantly

[blissful bridge]

You shouldn't gatekeep gameplay asking for abilities to be removed while saying I'm the "fun police and ruining the fun".
You are asking for an entire ability to be removed that other people do enjoy.

I'll be as loud as those who are asking for it to be removed.

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Recon Senses needs to be made non-togglable with a 30 second cooldown and a louder audio cue.
This would stop the indefinite spam scanning which would help nerf the camping and chasing abuse of the ability.
This doesn't remove or over-alter the ability, but instead helps balance it while keeping it's style and function.

@smoky storm giving grapple 2 charges would cause a "keep away" meta play with the cashbox. Grapple needs a faster cooldown, but not 2 charges. C4 has been nerfed enough and there are better ways to balance without always trying to nerf a gadget. The barrels need reduced health and maybe a slightly larger hitbox. This would further nerf the "nuke" tactic and make it more easily without nerfing the gadget. The heal beams need to have a reduced "ammo" count or an increased cooldown which would help nerf constant heal trains. I agree with a slightly further evasive dash buff.

@glad delta the hill you defend is removing an ability from the game instead of understanding and finding balance. The problem with recon senses is it's meta use in ranked due to it's ability to be spammed indefinitely because it's togglable. It's overpowered because it's togglable and not because it's "wall-hacks".

[glad delta]

I feel like you not understanding balancing and your vigorous defending of a hill you have no stakes or ties in and the fact that most of your commentary on recon comes with other bad takes serves only to weaken your arguments. At this point you're just fighting for your honor.

[solid narwhal]

Add input based matchmaking and a xim/cheat detection rework so we can have kbm on console!
Please and thank you.

[glacial salmon]

Recon users are the type to go on page 2 on google just to prove they are right

nerf remove recon

[odd notch]

what do i with my vrs once i have bought all the equipment

[placid valley]

I'm serious, I even hope recon can buff to 20 mins per pulse

[sage bison]

Actually I take it back I think lights should have 40 hp so you can just 1 shot them with melee

[fossil walrus]

You talk about me gatekeeping when an entire class isn't being played because of a wallhack ability that you defend. They are talking about Overwatch in the Light build channel because of that. A bit hypocritical that you want to gatekeep the fun of others while accusing me of doing exactly that

[vast quail]

they gotta fix the reload bug

[quick coyote]

As the best light main (top 5 ranked) I agree.

[wicked void]

just got leaver penalty for a tournament where i:

• only had one other teammate
• continued to play out of fear of leaver penalty
• he disconnected since he was in paraguay or some shit playing on NA
• got completely destroyed by the other teams since i only have starter weapons as medium
• crashed
  how is this fair?

[near silo]

I still thinks thats too much, the game should uninstall and punch you in the nuts too if you dare pick light during a game

[blissful bridge]

So it's recon that keeping light back?

The meta a couple weeks ago was all about M/M/H heals+defib+nukes, but I guess it's recon because that's the flavor of meta this week isn't it?
It can't be that the light is a low-health class with hardly any teamplay gadgets that's outgunned by any competent team that communicates and sticks together in a highly competitive ranked mode that's filled with meta strategy is it? It's not because light was being clowned on for being on ranked teams before the recon meta is it?

It must be the recon isn't it?

@daring fossil I never said it wasn't a problem, but I don't think that removing the ability is the solution. It needs to be balanced and it can be with my suggestion below. It won't fully help promote light class in ranked, but it would help stop the current meta of recon without removing it or changing it completely.

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Recon Senses needs to be made non-togglable with a 30 second cooldown and a louder audio cue.
This would stop the indefinite spam scanning which would help nerf the camping and chasing abuse of the ability.
This doesn't remove or over-alter the ability, but instead helps balance it while keeping it's style and function.

[reef jasper]

Maybe one day they’ll listen to feedback and remove/fix what’s broken… maybe they’ll actually moderate the foulness that a lot of people in this sever and game put out… just a horrendous job taking care of the game and community

That’s why this game will die

[daring fossil]

i dont know what's keeping light back, but all I know is I started playing light less and less since the recon, fcar, defib mmm meta. I didn't even care that mines, RPG and nukes one-shot me, I still think they should. Can't say for sure recon is the main problem, but its definitely part of the problem. the things that frustrate me the most as a light, is being beamed in the head 6-7 times in a row from mp5/cloakers and fcar users who prefire you.

I think wall hack abilities aren't good for any FPS game. The only exception is widows ultimate in overwatch, because shes literally a glass cannon that is usually so far away from the fight it almost doesn't matter. also, she can't spam it

[glacial salmon]

Dont remove recon-- give it to Lights since mediums think they aint op

Mediums can sucker up with their Sonar grenade

[bold rampart]

please bring keyboard and mouse for console im begging i cant play controller😭🙏

[smoky gust]

@fossil walrus if removing recon wasn't an option, what would you do to change it?

[lofty remnant]

Nade launcher should be removed.

[fierce flume]

cooldown from uses, add max range, make it fade out the closer you are to them. or make it like a sonar (ping shows every 2 sec)

[fossil walrus]

You give it a general direction like Visualize Audio in Fortnite and nerf the range to around 30 meters. You know that enemies are close, you know the direction somewhat but you don't know if they are above or below and you can't prefire with it. But I still think it's better just to remove it and replace it with defibrillator

[wooden vapor]

Add custom games! Other than that the game is amazing and keep up the great work!

[tepid violet]

Just remove Recon completely and add a new cool Ability for Mid. The Sonargrenade is good enough

[wanton dove]

They can't even handle one game dude. 😅

[sage bison]

Buff medium 🙏

[blissful bridge]

This completely changes it's style and function without finding balance to it's current gameplay.
Removing it is the laziest option for balance.

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Repost for Embark

Recon Senses needs to be made non-togglable with a 30 second cooldown and a louder audio cue.
This would stop the indefinite spam scanning which would help nerf the camping and chasing abuse of the ability.
This doesn't remove or over-alter the ability, but instead helps balance it while keeping it's style and function.

EDIT:
@daring fossil this message also goes for you too. Reworking an ability by completely changing it's function does not add balance but will introduce new problems.

[daring fossil]

I'm for removing recon entirely, but I know that won't happen. So my suggestion for a rework is make it sonar pulse like recon grenades, so it only shows you a snapshot, and not full on wall hacks. Maybe 3 pulses, with a 30-40 meter range, and one-use toggle with a long cool down.

@blissful bridge I don't care, this ability should have never been in the game to begin with. my suggestion doesn't change it's function, just makes it less bullshit.

[final mason]

This is more for the discord but there should be a channel for suggestions for the game

[hallow marsh]

Anyone had the annoying bug where you cant shoot and your gun keeps reloading? Happened to me several games now, litterally unplayable when it happens

https://streamable.com/8g6uxv

[reef jasper]

wall hacks and actual hackers in a game together??? SIGN ME UP

(uninstalled btw, like many others... fix your shit)

[fallen scaffold]

heavy needs nerf and light need a tiny buff

[smoky gust]

They probably wont remove anything outright though
Not saying they couldn't but its unlikely

I like that idea though, i suggested something similar some time ago

[autumn widget]

Light weapon to gadget suggestion
The double barrel should be replace with another shotgun that’s easier to balance as if you try to nerf the double barrel it would become useless, buffs might make it too annoying for casuals to deal with

So why not make it a gadget that works similarly to Ash shotgun from OW2
Dealing 40 damage per shot and sents the user and enemy flying, when shot at the ground/wall it gives more distance, speed

@blissful bridge who isn’t ready by this point toggle based ability that doesn’t have high punishment like spy cloak from tf2 are gonna be toxic to deal with

[wicked void]

while i personally think recon is fineish i'm down for a few ideas:

• a set of 3 rechargeable pulses that reveal position at time of activation (same distance as current)
• the same thing we have now but only usable at maximum charge
• the same thing we have now, reduced range, with a longer charge time
  the thing is, with the ttk as low as it is in this game, it's not really that much of a balance breaker, like at all, since info doesn't actually help you win a fight like guns do
  people asking for a recon nerf either drastically overestimate the viability of corner peeking or refuse to actually learn to counterplay it most of the time, but as for the information it gives you (wallhacks) i will admit it's the most powerful tool in the game right now and i agree the recharge being as short as it is is bullshit

[fossil walrus]

I explained why it's a balance for gameplay. It gives information without pinpoint locations.

@stiff spire idk if I would nerf heavy just yet but the biggest buff I want for light is much faster healing out of combat. There's no reason that light should have 150 health and still have to wait forever to re-engage because of the healing time. It should start much, much quicker than it does

@autumn widget that's a decent idea and I would maybe think about using that gadget instead of the invisibility perk and keep the vanish bomb. I could see invisibility become very toxic when/if recon gets removed.

Also this comment 👇 is a perfect example of what a shill is. We have to go play another game because @blissful bridge can't picture the thought of a mechanic being removed

[blissful bridge]

This ability doesn't belong in any game that YOU enjoy, so go find that game and enjoy it.

Your suggestion literally changes it's function from "live-feed" into a sonar styled function, destroying it's range and nerfing it to a non-togglable with long cooldown. Absolutely gutting the ability without finding a balance to it's current style and function first.

I absolutely enjoy this game and am having a blast playing it.
I love the abilities and style of gameplay. It's amazingly fun, and will become even better with proper balancing.

@reef jasper Bye, hopefully @fossil walrus and @daring fossil will join you.

@autumn widget I think the double barrel needs to have reduced range and a longer reload time. This would keep it's damage but make using it much more risky as you would have to get closer, and if you miss your shots you'll be caught reloading so you'd have to skillfully aim instead of letting it rip. The weapon is very close to being balanced, but still needs just a slight nerf that keeps it's style and function while promoting skill and tactic in it's use.

@fossil walrus is already preparing to complain about invisibility if recon gets removed. I guess we should just remove both of the abilities now right?

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Recon Senses needs to be made non-togglable with a 30 second cooldown and a louder audio cue.
This would stop the indefinite spam scanning which would help nerf the camping and chasing abuse of the ability.
This doesn't remove or over-alter the ability, but instead helps balance it while keeping it's style and function.

[short cove]

recon still in the game? red canister nuke still a thing? 51 embark employees online on discord rn, it only takes one person to make the game fun to play and nothing 😵‍💫

[quick coyote]

It's not. Ranked is not worth playing by yourself. At all.

[daring fossil]

you should NOT be able to see where people are spawning across the map through EVERYTHING.

[gleaming tide]

EGG Throwing knives skin

[blissful bridge]

Everyone come and see how this person wants an ability removed, but recognizes it could ruin the balance of another ability.
So the invisibility becomes "toxic" after recon is removed right?
Am I right to assume you want invisibility removed from the game?

This guy just wants to play another game and will advocate gutting this game until it becomes what he wants to play.
He wants recon removed, and is already prepared to start screaming "toxic" about invisibility.

@daring fossil is there anything else we shouldn't do that's from your favorite video game that isn't this one?

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Repost for Embark

Recon Senses needs to be made non-togglable with a 30 second cooldown and a louder audio cue.
This would stop the indefinite spam scanning which would help nerf the camping and chasing abuse of the ability.
This doesn't remove or over-alter the ability, but instead helps balance it while keeping it's style and function.

[autumn widget]

Ideal recon and cloak changes(In my opinion)

Recon senses —> Recon Pulse
Works just like a sonar grenade and anyone pinged is scanned for 3 seconds and gets the warning “Detected” has 2 charges with a cooldown of 12.5 seconds, maximum range is 70 meters
(Keeping it as it is but cooldown wouldn’t work as well due to well… it still being a wall hack)

Cloak: idk what to say for this, making work somewhat like spy from TF2 cloak might work? Where the user cant attack right after decloaking?

[soft wedge]

Add all the stats of each round at the end of the tournaments

[fossil walrus]

The ability I want removed already ruins the balance of the game, lowers the skill ceiling and takes an entire class out of viability. So yeah that ability is way more important to get rid of than the other. The goal is to make the game the best it can be. You do so one step at a time. Most people understand that

[deft terrace]

We seriously need an opacity slider on revive and objective markers. Fading on ADS is inadequate. These markers obstruct the players vision far too much and far too often.
This is a QoL change that could be done in less than an hour of an interns time. For the love of whatever you love the most, please, make it happen.

[daring fossil]

how about you just download cheats and go play COD or APEX if you want your precious unlimited range wall hack so bad. you've been pretty cool up until now, but you're actually high bro gatekeeping this game so hard because of an ability that shouldn't exist, there's a reason wall hacks are banned in other games, and whoever thought it was a good idea to put in this game needs a reality check. I really hope that a CM puts you on cooldown because you are literally spamming the same fucking message every 15 minutes and nobody agrees with you.

@deft terrace You literally can't see if a team is stealing if your friends are dead near the objective

[quick coyote]

[placid valley]

Hi, wallhack lover, hope I won't meet you in the next fps game. 🤡

[wicked void]

This is moronic. Titanfall does this same thing and nobody argues about it. Nobody argued about it AT LAUNCH because guess what, it's balanced fine. It has counters, called literally being cautious. Nobody argued about recon in the beta here because people were just enjoying the damn game and not trying to make it into an "I don't like this ability so I'm gonna claim it ruins game health". Now that cloak is the meta and everybody's using recon to do something about it people are now arguing over recon and cloak.
This isn't Siege, guys. Knowing where a dude is doesn't really help you when there's 2 other teams gunning at you both with the same knowledge and the capacity to kill you.

[solid narwhal]

Add input based matchmaking and a xim/cheat detection rework so we can have kbm on console!
Please and thank you.

[vast quail]

Remove Recon

[woeful perch]

Recon doesn't just counter cloak. It does so much more which is the problem. We don't care that it can see cloaks. We care that it can see us across the map. We care that no matter what flanks or anything else, the recon users will be prefiring whatever corner/doorway we come in. There is no element of surprise. That is the problem with it. Not because of cloak. Because of everything else. And realistically, I think the cries of recon need to be heard but that isn't the only thing about medium that is too strong. It is the pairing of Recon + FCAR + Defib. There isn't much else that you can run that will provide the same or similar value except some heavy builds. But atleast the heavy builds feel fair to play against and take some imagination to make work. Lights.... Lights are in a very dark place right now when compared to mediums and heavies.

[blissful bridge]

I guess one step at a time means absolutely gutting the game instead of balancing abilities am I right?
Don't like the ability? Just remove it!
So balanced, much thought. "The best it can be!".....

@daring fossil I'm free to "spam" my opinion as much as you are free to spam your opinion about removing abilities. I'll keep being loud about it. You are literally gonna cry for a manager because you don't agree with me and I keep voicing my opinion. I trust Embark to craft their game based on the vision they have for it and not the absolute lazy "just remove it" opinions on balancing. I keep telling you that Recon Senses needs to be nerfed so it isn't unlimited spam scanning, camping and chasing in this game but you want to continually insult me and cry "wall-hacks" as if this ability doesn't exist in different forms across multiple games successfully.

@placid valley Hello, do you want to just throw uninspired insults around or do you have anything constructive to add about balancing?

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Recon Senses needs to be made non-togglable with a 30 second cooldown and a louder audio cue.
This would stop the indefinite spam scanning which would help nerf the camping and chasing abuse of the ability.
This doesn't remove or over-alter the ability, but instead helps balance it while keeping it's style and function.

[stone hazel]

invis and stun are such cancerous anti-fun abilities that arent fun to play against
invis only sort of has a counter and stun has literally no counter at all
theyre so anti-fun man i just want to play the game but im getting stunned to hell and back by someone literally not visible every couple games

[daring fossil]

mostly nobody used recon in the beta to the point where it became an epidemic, or on release until probably a week or 2 ago, I doubt most people even tried it until they had literally everything unlocked. It was one of the last thing I unlocked because I had no idea what it did and didn't want to waste VRS. Lots of people complained about cloak in the beta too, at one point you could just cloak endlessly, with no cool down and no sound effect, and it got HARD adjustments several times over all 3 betas (with a fraction of the player base using it). I wouldn't shed a tear if both recon and cloak were removed, but I know that won't happen, at the very least they need fucking reworks, not fucking value adjustments.

@woeful perch and as a light main that doesn't use cloak, I can't escape to regen, it just doesn't happen, that recon fucker will drop everything and anything to chase me 3 buildings away to get the team wipe.

@blissful bridge the difference is I'll post my opinion and then maybe toss a hat around for a while, you just spam copy/paste every 15 minutes while arguing with everyone who disagrees with you. I hope a mod mutes your because of your spam, not because of your opinion. your suggestion for "nerfing" recon sense doesn't include range which is the biggest issue with it. When I suggested a sonar pulse (most peoples suggestion) you complained that that changed it too much, well your suggestion doesn't change it enough.

[fossil walrus]

I already gave a detailed explanation of what I would balance if I couldn't outright remove it to someone else. At this point I think you're trolling everyone here

@daring fossil This is also why the biggest change I want for lights is faster regen speed out of combat

[placid valley]

lol
Buff Recon

[wicked void]

man, game is fucking crashing every single match now
i don't even give a damn anymore i just wanna play at this point
pls fix embark

[quartz girder]

Recon actually kinda sucks it definitely needs a buff 💪

[vast quail]

Remove Recon

[woeful perch]

Can we have individual channels for each class for discussions and have the build channels be separate? Currently each build channel is a hangout zone, and the builds get drowned out for new players. I think this would be nice for the discord server. @rustic bloom

[blissful bridge]

Yes, you did explain it and I disagree with it.
A heavy rework / change to an ability doesn't fix it's current balance issue and instead will introduce new problems.
It would be nice to not be chased by recon right? You know making it a non-togglable ability with a 30 second cooldown would help balance out that problem.
They would have only a small window of tracking you before they lose sight allowing you to escape.
You'd be miles away as an evasive dash or grapple light main.

I agree with you about lights having faster regen speed out of combat.

@daring fossil yes, invisibility got nerfed heavily breaking it's meta without destroying it's overall function and style. Which is what I'm trying to achieve with my opinion on how to handle the recon nerfing. The problems that cloak had during beta are similar to what is happening with recon. I think cloak is fine where it's at now except maybe slightly increasing the audio cue which would be fair. My opinion on nerfing recon would help stop spawn tracking without absolutely gutting the ability. Hey, are you ready for the next part?

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Repost for Embark

Recon Senses needs to be made non-togglable with a 30 second cooldown and a louder audio cue.
This would stop the indefinite spam scanning which would help nerf the spawn tracking, camping, and chasing abuse of the ability.
This doesn't remove or over-alter the ability, but instead helps balance it while keeping it's style and function.

@smoky storm you can quit trying to call me a recon main because I'm defending it. I'm defending those who enjoy the ability and want it in the game, but in a fair and balanced way. You can only insult and that's your only argument which is kindergarten levels of conversation. Add something constructive to the debate.

[fossil walrus]

How do you know it wouldn't fix the current balance issue if it hasn't been tested and most of what makes it broken currently is removed with my suggestion?

[smoky storm]

Guys a clown, he's probably gonna go dl wall hacks if it gets removed. He got way to used to his little cheat level wallhack crutch

[blissful bridge]

You're introducing a new ability with your suggestion instead of balancing what is currently there.
This will cause the ability to be used in new ways thanks to it's massive rework and we will have to wait for the new meta that it creates to be seen before it's balanced. You can't introduce another ability that works completely different from what it is replacing and not expect a new meta strategy to develop.

We are trying to fix the current use of the ability, and you can't rework it into something completely different and expect it to be balanced.

Do you know how we can balance it without completely changing it? Get ready.....

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Repost for Embark

Recon Senses needs to be made non-togglable with a 30 second cooldown and a louder audio cue.
This would stop the indefinite spam scanning which would help nerf the spawn tracking, camping, and chasing abuse of the ability.
This doesn't remove or over-alter the ability, but instead helps balance it while keeping it's style and function.

[fossil walrus]

It's not completely different. The goal is to give people information about where others are on the map. Unlike wall hacks, Fortnite visualize audio tells you the direction of where people are when they are close but you have to find where they are yourself. Idk how that's not a good change without taking it out altogether. You would still have sonar grenades anyway.

[wicked void]

@blissful bridge just a heads up that if you keep doing the "repost for embark" thing you might get muted by a chat maintainer
i have nothing else to say at this point i got the mgl on heavy and i enjoy it much more now

[stone hazel]

genuine question for team buff recon
because when i ran recon i was suprised by how HUGE the range was
in what way(s) do you want it to be buffed
what about it specifically needs improvement?

[quick coyote]

Tying to compare pulse knifes/that one titan ability and map hack to recon senses is probably the worst comparison I've seen here yet lmao. They're not even close to being the same thing with how busted recon is. Not to mention Titanfall is a drastically different FPS than The Finals.

[placid valley]

dude I'm just trolling. I have been trolling here since 1.5 patch released. the game is not fun anymore. Trolling here is even more fun than the game itself. 🤡 🤡 🤡

[shrewd geyser]

im on no side but I feel like its not very visible or doesnt pick people up all the time ( might just be my monitor) its definitely strong but honestly a good player can beat a recon any day. not as bad as some other abilities in my opinion. coming from a 11k kill 200hr player. I'd say just leave it as is

[raw iris]

I think you guys should add kbm support on ps5

[twilit leaf]

yo can embark lock in and remove recon already

[quick coyote]

Bigger Glutes on Female players to retain gamer attention and keep the game popular. It worked for Tracer it will work for the Finals.

[blissful bridge]

That completely changes the ability. Which is not a good change. We are trying to balance the ability without completely changing it. That's my opinion on how to balance an ability. It should be changed to what I'm suggesting before completely reworking or removing it. If it can't work as a non-togglable long cooldown ability then more drastic measures can be taken if it's still overused as a powerful meta afterwards. Starting with making it a pulse, limiting range, and more until a balance is found, but I think my suggestion would work in all honesty.

The reason why I suggest my opinion is because my change is simple and totally reworking the ability is far more complicated. It would make much more sense to take small steps towards troubleshooting a solution instead of tearing apart and rebuilding the entirety of an ability.

@wicked void Thank you for the kind warning truly, and I'm hoping I can post my launch-feedback here as it's specifically for the developers at Embark to see. It's no different than constantly spamming "remove recon". I'm at least providing solutions with my opinion. I'm also not spamming an entire book, I'm reposting a small snippet at the end of my replies. I could spam my entire nerf/buff list, but I'd rather tackle defending recon than throwing out 20 opinions at once.

@stone hazel he's being sarcastic and doesn't actually want to provide actual helpful feedback. He doesn't like the game. Ignore him.

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Repost for Embark

Recon Senses needs to be made non-togglable with a 30 second cooldown and a louder audio cue.
This would stop the indefinite spam scanning which would help nerf the spawn tracking, camping, and chasing abuse of the ability.
This doesn't remove or over-alter the ability, but instead helps balance it while keeping it's style and function.

[stone hazel]

the effect doesnt show for someone unless they are behind a wall or object
which means it doesnt actually counter invis since the only time it shows invis people is when theyre already behind a wall or object anyways

[royal flume]

Please add voice chat options for console. Voice chat only plays through my monitor and not my headphones and there are no options other than volume and who chat is enabled for.

[stone flame]

Everyone seems irritates with recon abilities, have you tried glitch granade and or trap?
I'd says it's good as it is.
Now we need counter for stun gun...

[rustic tusk]

How about some claymores instead of mines? I rarely see poeple tripping over the mines themselves

[north siren]

Please limit the amount of turrets placed by one team

[daring fossil]

sure, if lights had recon sense also, to be able to tell where the medium using recon is before he prefires you in order to glitch grenade. Seems feasible for sure

[quick coyote]

Recon is extremely strong in long ranges, you can basically know where the enemy team respawned, from where they're gonna attack you. By the time the recons are in the glitch grenades/trap range, it's already too late lol. It needs to be a Bloodhound in apex-type scan, with a huge cooldown and no charges

[smoky storm]

Honestly I'd rather have thermal than recon on medium, as a spec you can toggle on/off.

[sharp belfry]

Have you? Cause they legit do not work.

[upper citrus]

remove recon

[remote citrus]

Why does the matchmaking put unranks with you when you are silver?

[vast quail]

Remove Recon

[dull hemlock]

Good god, has @blissful bridge done anything other than just mindlessly defend anything other than a recon senses toggle for the last few days? searches Discord Basically not. At a certain point it just becomes spam and trying to shout your own feedback over everybody else. Stop. Every single time I've looked at this channel he's replied within the last hour or so. It's absurd.

[wicked void]

pretty sure you just leaked your epic token lmao

[gentle shadow]

I have no idea what that is

[wind frost]

Remove recon, and when you remove recon nerf mesh shield and heal otherwise it will be cancer stall meta ad infinitum

[placid valley]

Buff Recon

[soft wedge]

More ammunition for fcar pls

[stone flame]

@Myztkl-Kev
Missing the point already, never asked for any buff or nerf.

@.0xu.
*Slightly.
It's only cover your periferal vision, unless you played with VR HMD.

@sharp belfry
Or you just unlucky.

Remove recon, so everyone will camp with cloak on, ambush anyone with their cash or box, empty their pocket and cloak again.
Rinse and repeat.
Lazy and lame.

[daring fossil]

im not missing the point, how you think glitch grenade is a good recon sense counter is beyond me. You would have to know where the medium with recon sense is, and at that point he already knows where you are. recon doesn't even work on cloak unless the cloaked user is behind a wall.

[sharp belfry]

Recon isn't keeping cloak in check, my eyes and ears are.

[blissful bridge]

Recon might be able to get first shot most times, but a skilled player can counter with movement dodging and aim.
It needs some balancing, but most opinions about it here are extreme exaggerations about it ruining the game for even being here in the first place.
It's extremely toxic to outright call for the removal of an ability without attempting to find balance first.

I'm here to remind everyone of that truth.

You can see my opinion below lol ❤️

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Repost for Embark

Recon Senses needs to be made non-togglable with a 30 second cooldown and a louder audio cue.
This would stop the indefinite spam scanning which would help nerf the spawn tracking, camping, and chasing abuse of the ability.
This doesn't remove or over-alter the ability, but instead helps balance it while keeping it's style and function.

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@north siren I disagree. I think triple turret is fine but the turrets need a better hitbox so they keep their power while being much more easy to hit especially in the heat of combat. This makes them able to be destroyed easier and quicker, but keep their style and function while preserving creativity for teams to be triple turret loadouts. It'd be fair and help nudge it towards a better balance, as glitch grenades, glitch mine nukes, goo gun, and goo grenades can still be used to effectively counter a turret or three as it currently plays. Turrets are extremely easy to counter, but very hard to actually hit with a weapon. They just need a slightly bigger hitbox.

@dull hemlock That's what having a different opinion than yours looks like buddy. I can speak defending it as much as anyone else spams "remove recon". I'd rather provide honest feedback than spamming "remove recon" which is a lazy opinion I'd consider as "mindless".

[upper citrus]

remove recon. also, anyone with a brain can see and hear cloak super easily

[rustic tusk]

I do think the recon sound trigger could be a touch louder. Make it equal to the cloak when they move

[median ibex]

We NEED to buff aim assist or revert the patch for it. Console without crossplay is already dry af with long ques, making us have to turn crossplay back on. No one wants to play against KBM players just to get a game, while sitting on this AA nerf.

[wicked void]

revert the aa nerf? nuh uh

[slender rover]

Aim assist? Womp womp. Aim better. Anyways. Back to the main chat.

[quick coyote]

lol @obtuse elbow using their nitro to make this opinion seem bad

[obtuse elbow]

i think tracking invisible players through smoke is balanced

[stone hazel]

what settings are you playing on
because at low settings cloak is straight up not visible in most lighting

[daring fossil]

I can rarely even hear it activate, especially when theres shit going on, but I can usually hear a cloak pretty well, and I donno if it's because I play maxed with full RT, but I can usually see the cloak well enough to at least hit him once to deactivate it.

[near lava]

Two things plz make Seoul have permanent construction it’s so much better for everything. Cash out locations rotating around the map good fight zone. Crazy how without construction you can spawn at hospital and have to run to mall or the server room cash out and only have two ways to actually get there lol. An actual box of a map.

2nd thing Stuart little skin in the item shop 😭💀

[stone flame]

@daring fossil
How much time do you spend for playing both Light build and Medium build?
Likewise, why do you think recon always do wonder? We only had a glimpse of shadowy figure, approximate location not counting any hurdle box or cover, at peripheral vision only, with finite time and long cooldown.
With light build? Just equip silenced weapon, stun gun and cloak, camp and ambush, or pickup everyone leftover.

@sharp belfry
Do you 4 eyes and ears to counter 2 light ?

Recon already balanced as it is, just another crybabies vulture with lazy attitude think otherwise.

[desert moat]

A lot of people suggesting to remove recon, question is that what would they replace recon with?
Or rework it again dunno.

[remote citrus]

NERF C4/Breach nuking. It needs to be either instant tap on the barrel/cannister or not do full damage. instant killing a whole team before you can even see it is not viable

[drifting storm]

sooo, when are they finally removing getting 1 shot from a braindead no-aim heavy player with a c4 and a barrel?

[blissful bridge]

I think they should have both honestly.

The mines do damage in an AOE, but the Claymores will only do damage to what's in front of it.
They are both stealthy, but the claymores can be hidden more effectively around corners.
The mines are activated by stepping on them, and claymores can be tripped from further away.

I think both could work nicely together in the game and be used for different situations and tactics.

@median ibex AA definitely needs to find a balance to between where it was before and now. Console deserves just as much attention and balance as PC. I also support KBM for console. I'll always support freedom of choice. Those who are against console support are toxic to ignore balancing issues while they just scream "aim better", but they won't think "aim better" to themselves when it involves them fighting recon. Ignore them and keep posting your opinion.

@obtuse elbow smoke should definitely obscure tracking from recon, but not sonar, dart, or thermal. Fire and Gas should obscure recon and thermal, but not dart or sonar.

@remote citrus this is what I suggested for a nuke nerf, which is nerfing the tactic and not the ability. The barrels should have reduced health when an item is placed on them, making them one shot, also possibly slightly increasing the hitbox. This would nerf the tactic making it riskier without further debilitating the C4/Breach abilities. I just wish there was an ability you could use to counter the nukes by spotting them before they reach you..... 😛

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Repost for Embark

Recon Senses needs to be made non-togglable with a 30 second cooldown and a louder audio cue.
This would stop the indefinite spam scanning which would help nerf the spawn tracking, camping, and chasing abuse of the ability.
This doesn't remove or over-alter the ability, but instead helps balance it while keeping it's style and function.

[sharp belfry]

As if I would need more than 2 to counter two lights. They're so predictable. If you need recon sense for that then obvious skill issue.

[sonic spoke]

when is the ban hammer coming down on all the no recoil/aimbot users?

[cyan nova]

one question will the FINALS ever be on the ps4?

[wraith imp]

Make real cola brand with ospuze (I’ll buy all your stocks)

[rustic tusk]

Fun idea for a new abilities:
Usable buffs like an injection or a powerup: You can only use it on teammates. Give the Light a speed buff, the Medium an attack buff, and the Heavy a Defense buff. Could make it last like 10 seconds with a 45 second cool down. Help push your team or take a cashout.

[upper citrus]

remove recon

[daring fossil]

like 375 hours light and like 95 hours medium. I don't use cloak, its cringe, just like I don't use recon. but cloak is a lot easier to deal with as either class than recon is which has basically no counter. cloak requires 1 bullet to disable.

@sharp belfry just a typical recon main who doesn't want his precious wall hacks removed.

[smoky storm]

Toggle able Thermal vision

[serene hearth]

got suspended for no reason after finishing a game with teammate also reciveing the suspension any reason why?

[stone flame]

Funny, the one claim to have it asking for nerf for the sake of so-called balance.

@daring fossil
Using cloak is cringe, but asking for nerf is common courtesy. Tipical.

[round goblet]

Boosting again, these people are disgusting

[wicked void]

gee whiz i sure do wonder how to deal with two invisible lights when i can't see them at all
oh, i know! an ability that lets me see them!

[midnight panther]

is anyone else tired of being in the same lobbies despite how high their rank gets?? I’m gold 1 and still get majority bronze teammates, sometimes silver, and very rarely I’ll get someone in platinum or diamond on my time too, it doesn’t make any sense that I get gold teammates the least

[undone path]

So guys i have one suggestion, make the mouse on ps5 work! I think the keyboard works fine though

[blissful bridge]

It's a great idea. The game needs some type of injectable gadgets that can be used on both yourself and teammates.
I think that the ability should go to the light class and be a health buff / regen injectable that can be used on teammates.
This would buff the light class with extra health, and give them a teamplay gadget which is heavily needed.

@smoky storm I agree that Thermal needs to be made togglable, but it shouldn't replace Recon.

@daring fossil exactly what @stone flame said to you. It's hypocritical of you to call "skill-issue" but you see no problem with asking for nerfs or removals. That is cringe.

@placid valley stop insulting the developers. If you can't manage an opinion with more thought behind it than "remove it" that's a personal issue.

@upper citrus read what I wrote to user Buff Recon directly above.

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Repost for Embark

Recon Senses needs to be made non-togglable with a 30 second cooldown and a louder audio cue.
This would stop the indefinite spam scanning which would help nerf the spawn tracking, camping, and chasing abuse of the ability.
This doesn't remove or over-alter the ability, but instead helps balance it while keeping it's style and function.

❤️

[placid valley]

For anyone who thinks recon and medium are balanced, I recommend you to join Embark, you will finally find some cheating friends to play with you there.
🤡 🤡 🤡

[sharp belfry]

That's because no one uses it for the sole purpose of countering lights, duh.

[floral lily]

nerf lights too op

[remote citrus]

Cosmetic, but sometimes the cables that hold up the buildings in the sky aren't attached to the hooks

[spare heath]

Would like more info on the state of the 357 and any potential plans to change it in the future its a great gun but it feels strange right now the way the bloom works on it. From what i could tell strafing makes it more likely to shoot off shots to the side but its random to the point of sometimes you have 4 shots miss to the chest at medium range when strafing and adsing... also even standing still occasionally a shot will randomly fly of to the side almost behind you. crouch spam has no effect on the accuracy at all so you can just spam crouch constantly when using it ... the only thing that feels right is the close range hipfire accuracy and even that is probably a bit to good . There is no way to compensate when those shots do miss to because they go randomly really far off

[upper citrus]

remove recon

[daring fossil]

I never said anything about nerfing cloak, I want the wall hacks removed/reworked. what's typical is a recon sense main defending recon sense as it currently is, which is broken.

@blissful bridge this is the last time I respond to you, and click the "blocked message" text to read your message, so don't bother @ing me again. Cloak is cringe because it enables a cringy rat-like corner camping playstyle, I don't care if people want to use it. I just don't like that playstyle. I dont have much issue killing cloakers unless they are hiding in a corner and one-shot me. Recon is cringe because it's literally endless range wall hacks with no counter.

@spare heath yes, revolver is the most fun medium gun, but it's so fucking inconsistent, and the damage drop-off is ridiculous. it has a random chance of just missing for no reason even if you and the target are standing still, and it suffers the same as the sniper does with the irons not lining up with the center of your screen, plus it has bloom, plus the terrible interpolation/netcode doesn't help either.

[feral kite]

can they add key board and mouse to console

[iron elbow]

Recon would be ok if it has the handling of thermals in lights, I mean, you toggle it, it last X amount of seconds, and if you want to use it again, then you have to wait for the cooldown, which will be shorter if you dont use it for that long. Meanwhile, make the thermals get the handling of recon senses.

[stone flame]

And do please quote any statement I wrote about buffing recon. It's your thought only, and my apologies, you don't represent majority of players.

[naive flicker]

🪧 Remove AA changes! Console will die!🪧

Possible soutions to replace the aim assist patch:

1. They disable crossplay entirely and have 2 different builds of the game. This would be a nuclear option not recommended.

2. They buff MKB users by giving them bullet magnetism. Buff instead of nerf. That's always better.

3. They can filter inputs on PC. Forcing controller PC players to play with console or have they're own subdivision on PC.

4. Have it so when console players enable crossplay they have this patches current aim assist. When disabled have pre patch aim assist

[quick coyote]

No astolfo skin for trap?

[blissful bridge]

You need to have the same opinion with Recon as you do with Cloak.
"I don't care if people want to use it. I just don't like that playstyle."

It's only "literally endless wall hacks" because it's togglable.
Do you want to know how to balance it without screaming "remove it" endlessly?

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@daring fossil wait for it..... (I don't care if you blocked me)
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Repost for Embark

Recon Senses needs to be made non-togglable with a 30 second cooldown and a louder audio cue.
This would stop the indefinite spam scanning which would help nerf the spawn tracking, camping, and chasing abuse of the ability.
This doesn't remove or over-alter the ability, but instead helps balance it while keeping it's style and function.

❤️

[sharp belfry]

Arguing against a recon rework is just copium for dependent players who lack skill to be good without it.

[daring fossil]

I never said you said anything about buffing recon, please keep saying nonsense I never said. I said you're defending it, which is what you're doing. you say I don't represent a majority of the players, meanwhile there's like 4 people defending recon sense, and everyone else wants it out of the game.

@sharp belfry reminds me of when they nerfed aim assist.

[blissful bridge]

ONE MORE BEFORE I SLEEP

Hey, everybody who wants recon removed before working out a solution.
Listen up! It's about to get good.... are you ready? I'm going to recess with it.

Spamming "remove recon" holds about as much intellectual weight as a fart.....

"Remove SPRRRRT Recon" *takes a big sniff
"I agree, SPRRRRT remove SNIFF SNIFF recon"
"Thanks, SNIFF great opinion! SPRRRRT" *more sniffing

What an absolute bunch of goofy goobers.

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Repost for Embark

Recon Senses needs to be made non-togglable with a 30 second cooldown and a louder audio cue.
This would stop the indefinite spam scanning which would help nerf the spawn tracking, camping, and chasing abuse of the ability.
This doesn't remove or over-alter the ability, but instead helps balance it while keeping it's style and function.

❤️

EDIT:
@upper citrus this post is definitely right up your alley.

@wicked void that's exactly their mindset but they can't see it. All I hope is that Embark sees my messages and others like it, and I trust Embark to make this game balanced and fair while keeping the abilities and gameplay that called us all to compete as contestants in THE FINALS.....

[lean fractal]

recon should just be replaced by something completely different, no need for chams in this game

[stone flame]

*Reading comprehension needed.
All I wrote everything already balance, do you count "neutral" as "defending" ? Like I said, it's your thought only.
Everyone else? You mean like other 44k players who aren't on Discord? Yeahhh right.

@sharp belfry
"Skilled player" cry and begging for nerf.
Ironic and hillarious.

[copper forge]

Accessibility suggestion:

I have frequent photophobic migraines, and while playing the game is usually mostly fine, the extremely bright and flashy menu transitions are painful. I would like to see a "Photophobia Mode" toggle in accessibility that removes or reduces the intensity of menu transitions.

(Bonus suggestion: Menu background options, because the bright red is also pretty intense.)

[barren geode]

We really need a set of Finals themed ringtones.
Including the infamous Ooo-Wee-Ooo-Wee Cashout stealing Alarm.

https://blerp.com/sound-collection/6543d1a6f25cf6913831b08a
This is some starter, but these are clearly grabbed from a live game, including background noises.

[wicked void]

Guys, you know what? We should just remove all the unique abilities in the game, remove every class except heavy, remove respawning, and add a win condition based on team kills
because that's what you guys want, right? A fucking siege clone? You can't just enjoy a game as it is?
Fine. I don't care anymore.

[glacial salmon]

Fix your stupid VC mic, one game its working and the other it aint

[past fox]

stop whining bout recon I play without it and steadily rank up everyday

[quick dew]

buff recon, all classes should have access to defib, making make the time shorter for each class. 2 seconds to charge up for light, 3 for medium or 5 for heavy.

melee weapons need a huge buff

[harsh trail]

day 2️⃣7️⃣ of asking for a throwing knives bug fix/balance patch to make them a viable weapon option

the current throwing knives deal great damage but the problem comes from the clunkiness of the projectiles and the inconsistency of their behavior. some things i think could be done to resolve this issue:

🔪 slightly reduce projectile drop off
🔪 slightly increase projectile speed
🔪 tighten spread of knives while sliding/sprinting (as they’re wildly inaccurate currently, it almost feels unintended)
🔪 allow right click to be held

please show some love to this weapon embark! i will not stop until we get something, i am begging. see you all on day 28!

[sour bane]

New update seems to have introduced a lot more packet loss to the game, some threads on Reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/19d6opn/anyone_else_experiencing_packet_loss_lags/
https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/19ddx75/what_is_this_little_symbol_and_why_does_it_always/
https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/comments/19dffzw/is_anyone_else_experiencing_atrocious_lag_with/

I've also been experiencing an incredible amount on ranked today, which I've never had before

[upper citrus]

remove recon

[quick coyote]

lets hope embark doesnt drop data on whats working in ranked, it would be too much for a lot of you to bear

[rancid dagger]

Possible gadget idea: EMP grenade that disables turrets and mines for a few seconds

[frank nymph]

Think I've posted this before in this channel, but I hope that Embark do listen to it.

Embark should really stop nerfing things into the ground. The game has its own unique identity compared to the other shooters on the market.
With all the nerfs, it feels like the game is slowly losing its identity and uniqueness, making everything feel underwhelming. Well, if thats what your aiming for then thats good I guess.

Building destruction physics will probably be the only thing that will be left if they keep nerfing. Its a tight rope, and I hope embark can continue to keep the game alive to make it to season 2.

Buff light, slightly buff heavy, and leave medium as it is with some tweaks to the guns.
AK pls

[past fox]

True Embark please do not destroy a new game you have created and turn it into another boring game like rainbow 6.

[sour bane]

tick tock.. so many of my ranked friends have stopped playing because of triple mediums.. tick tock..

[quick dew]

day 1️⃣ of joining w @harsh trail in asking for a throwing knives bug fix/balance patch to make them a viable weapon option

the current throwing knives deal great damage but the problem comes from the clunkiness of the projectiles and the inconsistency of their behavior. some things i think could be done to resolve this issue:

🔪 slightly reduce projectile drop off
🔪 slightly increase projectile speed
🔪 tighten spread of knives while sliding/sprinting (as they’re wildly inaccurate currently, it almost feels unintended)
🔪 allow right click to be held

please show some love to this weapon embark! i will not stop until we get something, i am begging. see you all on day 28!

[upper citrus]

remove recon

[noble nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/up-look-up-above-point-up-gif-8086794

[daring fossil]

@quick dew don't forget we need the spread tightened up while in mid-air too.

[harsh trail]

i will add that for tomorrow's post thank you for reminding me!

[glacial salmon]

Live service games buff and nerf all the time. Its how games thrive, by trends and meta.

[wicked void]

FINALLY SOMEBODY GETS IT

[placid valley]

no, buff recon hard

[main raptor]

you guys think that literally everything is op i stg, heavys op for rpg, mediums op for recon, lights op for stun gun + high damage! if everything is op nothing is op, i dont think anything is op after heavy nerf. (Stop complaining and get good buddy)

[pearl dome]

Anyone else think the VR rewards system is bogus?

[upper citrus]

please god no. the game is so dogshit with everything overpowered on an individual level. it’s a TEAM shooter there’s no reason why i should be able to play like it’s cod and get away with it. it’s so boring and stale to just use and play against the same op shit every game with my brain off. i’d really enjoy if things were toned down so i had to actually play with my team, use proper teamplay and communication in order to win. in the first closed beta there was no lewis, xp-54, or FCAR and the game was SO much better

[thorny latch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYi4Mud7jF8

[quick dew]

i’m this close to quitting, i love to play melee but it’s impossible with the triple mediums every game with recon

[stark turtle]

All the nerfs to recon should be to cloak too

[vagrant raptor]

increase the recoil for lights guns

[vagrant jackal]

they should add a way to check challenges mid game

[blissful bridge]

Do you want to tell the rest of chat what you said to me in #🥚┇off-topic regarding your true feelings about nerfing recon, or would you like to keep bashing the game and spamming "remove recon" to fit in with the toxic crowds?

@stark turtle No, cloak is fine but it could use a slightly louder audio cue.

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Repost for Embark

Recon Senses needs to be made non-togglable with a 30 second cooldown and a louder audio cue.
This would stop the indefinite spam scanning which would help nerf the spawn tracking, camping, and chasing abuse of the ability.
This doesn't remove or over-alter the ability, but instead helps balance it while keeping it's style and function.

❤️

[placid valley]

The line looks the way it does only because they didn't buff recon and even nerfed it a bit; otherwise, it would look like a vertical line.
#buffrecon #bufffcar

Told you the game is dying. It only took about 10 days to drop from 80k to 40k.

I don't know how hard is it to just nerf recon and buff light and heavy a bit. Can't even release any infos after that trash 1.5 patch. Fire your balance team or get fired with them by the players. lol

[round hollow]

games been feeling less fun since the aim assist nerf

[upper citrus]

i didn’t say anything about being toxic 😭

saying “remove recon” isn’t toxic what are you even talking about. i said people spam remove recon because we know the devs won’t remove it but we want them to not underestimate how much people hate it

[warped wharf]

1. Emote in lobby

[blissful bridge]

You said you agree with me.... did you forget that part?

Trent — Today at 11:23 PM
"i agree i think it either needs to be a 1 use ping on a cooldown or a 2 use ping on a cooldown with limited range"

You seem to have two opinions.

So which is it. Do you want to give an honest opinion or falsely over-inflate the hate of it?
Asking for the removing of an ability before trying to find a balanced solution is extremely toxic.

You dragged me into that lobby so you could be a different person than who you are in this forum.
Acting with two faces is extremely toxic.

@bleak coral No.

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Repost for Embark

Recon Senses needs to be made non-togglable with a 30 second cooldown and a louder audio cue.
This would stop the indefinite spam scanning which would help nerf the spawn tracking, camping, and chasing abuse of the ability.
This doesn't remove or over-alter the ability, but instead helps balance it while keeping it's style and function.

❤️

[quick coyote]

<@&1012034066876473384> there is a bug where the alt attack on sledge hammer doesn't animate but can still register hits. It's super confusing, has this been reported?

[glacial salmon]

There should be a frag grenade indicator. Out of all the throwables, you can't hear it at all in the middle of a firefight.

[cloud jungle]

It's only for the heavy. It's not a priority fix since it animates just fine for enemies

[simple violet]

Is the mouse not working on ps5 fixed? Not working on Sunday. (OH, ok. I just need better skills using a controller then.)

[bleak coral]

omg stop spamming ur wack change that will fix nothing

[placid valley]

They don't treat it as an issue. Move on to the next game. Good luck. Or maybe trolling here with me

[blissful bridge]

Spamming "remove recon" holds about this much intellectual weight....

"Remove SPRRRRT Recon" *takes a big sniff
"I agree, SPRRRRT remove SNIFF SNIFF recon"
"Thanks, SNIFF great opinion! SPRRRRT" *more sniffing

What an absolute bunch of goofy goobers.

@upper citrus SPRRRT nice opinion, much thought.

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Repost for Embark, and all the Recon Haters 😘

Recon Senses needs to be made non-togglable with a 30 second cooldown and a louder audio cue.
This would stop the indefinite spam scanning which would help nerf the spawn tracking, camping, and chasing abuse of the ability.
This doesn't remove or over-alter the ability, but instead helps balance it while keeping it's style and function.

❤️

[upper citrus]

remove recon

[quick coyote]

It would be a shame for the devs to do something other than nerf light+heavy

[placid valley]

Buff SPRRRRT Recon
I agree, SPRRRRT buff SNIFF SNIFF recon
Thanks, SNIFF great opinion! SPRRRRT

[pseudo briar]

why is everyone so high in here someone call the police and arrest these idot

[blissful bridge]

womp womp

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Repost for Embark, and all the Recon Haters 😘

Recon Senses needs to be made non-togglable with a 30 second cooldown and a louder audio cue.
This would stop the indefinite spam scanning which would help nerf the spawn tracking, camping, and chasing abuse of the ability.
This doesn't remove or over-alter the ability, but instead helps balance it while keeping it's style and function.

❤️

@upper citrus you're not offending me, I just disagree with you. I still wish you well in life dude. I think calling for an ability to be removed is extremely dumb and I'll voice my opinion against it. This doesn't mean I think you are dumb, but that I think removing abilities is extremely dumb. I love my haters. I want them to eat well and have large loving families, but I still disagree with their opinions.

@quick coyote this ability is literally implemented successfully in multiple popular gaming titles. It can be done here too.

@glad delta am I as annoying as the constant "remove recon" posts? I have as much stake in helping shape this game as anyone else.

[humble tinsel]

please fix your matchmaking. it's frustrating get paired with people deep outside your rank/bracket

[upper citrus]

remove recon. i am deeply sorry for offending you @blissful bridge 🙏

[glacial salmon]

Eyo guess what they are all using btw, this is what yall like to do right? Have a full game of mediums and a test to see who can pre-fire first

nerf Remove Recon'

[marsh oriole]

R E M O V E W A L L H A C K F R O M T H E G A M E

[vernal girder]

I don't know how they fix this three medium stack FCAR nonsense without alienating some part of the playerbase. Either they leave it as is and people like me leave or they nerf Mediums and FCAR and those players will bail

[toxic shadow]

remove recon

[placid valley]

ＢＵＦＦ　ＲＥＣＯＮ

[glad delta]

Mans is no longer fighting for Recon he's fighting for his honor. If you have no stake in it let it go dawg. At this point you're just being annoying

Edit to say, what makes your opinion more valid and valuable than anyone else's here? Why should Embark listen to you?

[blissful bridge]

Hey...... guess what?

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Repost for Embark, and all the Recon Haters 😘

Recon Senses needs to be made non-togglable with a 30 second cooldown and a louder audio cue.
This would stop the indefinite spam scanning which would help nerf the spawn tracking, camping, and chasing abuse of the ability.
This doesn't remove or over-alter the ability, but instead helps balance it while keeping it's style and function.

@foggy ginkgo I agree it seems harsh, but it's the best way to space out it's usage and help balance the spamming.

@upper citrus Neat.

[foggy ginkgo]

Not being able to toggle sure but a 30 sec cooldown fck no

[upper citrus]

looks like no one agrees with this take. more people just want recon removed. as it should be

[indigo pagoda]

Recon needs nerfing, Fix ADS sway not effecting bullet pathing (shots going to center of screen instead of where sights are), and make light have some viability in the meta, MMH MMM is dominant right now and needs to be changed ASAP

[neon rune]

Recon in it's current state is fundamentally flawed. Make it a one-pulse sonar grenade scan with a 15-30 second cooldown and a hard cap of 100m radius or so. Make visible for teammates, and add detected alert for enemies caught in the scan. Removes the cheese of being able to see where people spawn and track them through walls while simultaneously adding teamplay. Bloodhound tackles this pretty well in Apex. It doesn't need to be removed but 100% needs to be completely reworked

[pseudo briar]

yes recon need nerf stop wif the echo chamber

[tawny oak]

add grenade indicators to the screen

[inner nest]

Recon as a specialization needs to be removed.. for anyone saying we have wallhacks in apex as well with many abilities of different legends then we do have sonar grenade here. That should be enough of wall hacking. Its not that overpowered, but maybe just 1 sonar grenade is good enough

[glacial salmon]

Recon users be like

[fossil walrus]

Most mediums seem to also want it removed. It seems to be all the shitters who think that there's nothing wrong with it

[toxic shadow]

only sensible recon nerf would be limiting its range (FROM CURRENTLY INFINITE) to 30m to solve instantly knowing where teams respawns, especially while defending a cashout

[vernal girder]

If I block someone, does that ensure I don't get matched with them again?

[lapis pelican]

I think it just blocks text messages and voice chat and maybe party invites

[placid valley]

He can still find you with his shit recon. Just give up.

[vast quail]

Remove Recon

[upper citrus]

remove recon

[blissful bridge]

Recon Senses needs to be made non-togglable with a 30 second cooldown and a louder audio cue.
This would stop the indefinite spam scanning which would help nerf the spawn tracking, camping, and chasing abuse of the ability.
This doesn't remove or over-alter the ability, but instead helps balance it while keeping it's style and function.

😘

[pseudo briar]

add 6 team mode in rank so it will be a 3 way fight instead of just 1 team vs another

[glacial salmon]

Me: Figures enemy spawns through gamer knowledge, past game experience and game mechanic intuiton

Medium recon: Points oH lOoKiE tHeRe

[snow igloo]

Was in a tournament playing as heavy and and lost connection and when I rejoined I was still a heavy but had a medium loadout. Had 350 health using an AK

[wheat island]

Not that is super hard to memorize spawn points anyway

[quick coyote]

God said "Kill, my child."

[placid valley]

Hell no, there will be 18 mediums scanning each other.
spider_man_meme.jpg

#Buff_Recon #Buff_Defib

[swift pulsar]

hi devs, i hate recon senses, so does everyone else (that isn't delusional and thinks they're good because they use recon fcar), please nerf it ❤️ thx

[timid patio]

Any discussion on ranked match making? imo I think a separate mode with strict 3v3 queue would be cool as like a separate rank next to ur actual rank. For example like (Tyrvv 10,000LP and whatever "scrim" score for ur mini final 3v3 mode) Idk im just yapping

[plucky veldt]

Why did you tell us to look forward to the patch?
embark just remove recon.

we don't need fk ESP skills in the fps game.
Don't keep going. The game is ruined because of you guys.
Will not be long. Do it straight.
soon gameover.

[tawny oak]

Add a server report option because 80% of these servers should be looked into

Add grenade indicator on screen
Nerf turret lock on
Fix the sniper sway/shot not landing because of the dumbass movement
Fix the servers damage output/registration issues and make them more consistent
Add a player feedback option in addition to the report option
Nerf the stun gun or add a way to break out of it
Fix the macros on pc that enable you to literally have 0 recoil on pc
Fix the lunge/melee registration where you are super far away from players but still take damage

[placid valley]

This game once had so much potential, but unfortunately, Embark, they were all scanned and eliminated by Recon.

#Buff_Recon #Buff_Defib

[upper citrus]

remove recon

[tribal spoke]

Im certainly hoping for a update this week

[undone belfry]

And console also... console is hit way worse. Devs tried to make it competitive nerfing fun guns, destroying aim assist, Enable crossplay without the Option to disable it (crossplay can't be turned off, even when you put it on off it finds pc players) etc..

@placid valley yeah, im nearly 40 too, battlepass Finished and I don't play ranked as it's the worst experience out of all games regarding solo queing and also that crossplay is turned on forcefully on console... so yeah I literally "finished" the game for me and it wouldnt matter if the fun guns would be usable on console.. Im boored, try to Pick Revolver, well no snap, unreliable Aa, so I drop it and run fcar. I try to play Modell shotgun, no snap, unreliable Aa, I drop it and play fcar... I choose fcar, get alot of kills because aa somehow still works on that gun and get boored quick because everyone runs it. Great experience!

[pseudo briar]

i cba to ply tis game in tis state

[placid valley]

I don't know what kind of persistence drives them to insist on incorporating a cheating kind skill. They sit there in silence, watching players leave, along with their money and future. There are also many other issues, like mnk, cheaters, bugs. Even though they can't be used currently, they should clearly talk about their direction to the players. After reaching the maximum level in this game, there is nothing additional, just boring repetitive matches. How did they have confidence to release such shit things? Just... can't believe they just let it happened. So brave, so stupid. lol

[quartz girder]

this actually seems sensible

[fossil walrus]

Nope. Instead they'll probably listen to the people who will defend whatever the game has until it dies. If you want to understand the mentality and delusion of people who cheat, just look at the people who defend recon here.

Just like people can delude themselves into thinking that they aren't shitters and everyone better is cheating so they should cheat too, people can defend actual wall hacks as a game feature

[undone belfry]

The thing is. Devs rely on their data rather then feedback here. Some community Manager also said that it doesnt matter if someone posts a feedback and if that feedback gets alot of thumbs up because they dont choose by how popular a Statement is... they rely on data....

Well what's this channel here for then? Relying on data didnt help out, it made the experince even worse... All people complained about recon senses and it even got slightly buffed lol. Nuke still exists with Red barrels.

They could easily change that with changing c4 damage when it is attached to a portable Arena object.

Also they couldve nerfed recon with the distance. And not showing the outline of the characters so one doesnt know if it is a light or heavy.

People also posted that. But they didn't hear. But hey new cosmetics 🙂

@placid valley dont ask me, ask the devs 🤷‍♂️

[quick coyote]

Can't wait for the source code to get leaked in 8 years and we can have our own finals game servers.

[tawny oak]

improve the orders/warnings in the game, im pinging my team to show them where the enemy is and its just pointing at a different spot, like fix it

[placid valley]

How do they even have any correct data? This fucking game can't even count my daily mission progresses right, and my win rate. Where do they fucking find any data with reference value? lmao

Not to mention that this game has 99.99% players use mediums in ranked and even my dog ​​knows it.

[stoic cosmos]

There's also anti cheat layer within game code not just an external anti-cheat, that should be improved dramatically

[quick coyote]

🤡

[foggy ginkgo]

Can we get some weapon changes for stuff that really needs it there guns and or throwables that are really fun but just aren’t viable. Like knives are fun asf but not very viable as an example

[cunning cedar]

Please add HUD / icon size and opacity slider🙌

[placid valley]

I don't think they can react anything to you. They are only community managers. There's nothing else they can do. Not even promise anything.

The game is just ruined.

[quick coyote]

buff heavy rocket launcher back; keep the light buffs. if a light dies to a rocket launcher, its a situational awareness issue.

also lower the fcar headshot multiplier

[stoic cosmos]

If they'd check the servers manually for reported cheaters they could'v increase their player base and revenue by at least 20%, so sad they rely only on their anti-cheat layers, I know so many players who had stopped playing because of cheaters but hey, just read steam reviews where every second review contains cheaters complain headline.

[plucky veldt]

??? : we always buff medium. esp medium. god Fcar medium.
Resurrection 0.1 seconds medium.
we like medium.
we don't want nerf medium.
now they just have 28k player. kk soon dead this game. RIP the finals

[summer venture]

mediums who cope saying recon is balanced in its current state are literally just crutch users and likely trash players
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183069658086117447/1199249807882063892/image-221.png?ex=65c1db6b&is=65af666b&hm=d42ed113bd4d6067304b52c84ba0a65cad28fae2ebf6b78ced20702922fc4189&

[tranquil eagle]

rip embed perms (the matchmaking system is killing the game, its below f tier)

[fickle linden]

We don't reply to feedback, this channel is a place to submit it. Not replying doesn't mean we're not tracking it.

[weary bridge]

where i can report bugs?

[placid valley]

Good news anyway, they are watching the game dying with us. Feel no more alone.

[tawny oak]

increase weapon xp gain, playing for a long time now and barely making progress on the sniper, why does it take so long to get weapon skins

@placid valley i would love it if they fixed the servers, making shots register properly and the damage being always 100% as it should be would definitely have me playing other weapons, just using the sniper rifle right now and thats the only liable gun for me

[foggy ginkgo]

Nobody complained about recon in beta though 🫣

[warped swan]

Remove pick up priority/fix hitbox of objects

[placid valley]

To be honest, if you're playing as a light, you have 100% invisibility time, being seen at 30-50% still gives you a chance. However, they've now reduced the cloak duration to around 70% or lower. If you still continue to be detected by recon, there's virtually no chance at all. 150 hp is just way too low. In addition, the startup cost also reduces the chance of survival from shotgun. Their last patch was responsible for medium players (light and nuke nerf), but it was very bad for the other two classes that are persecuted by medium.

[fossil walrus]

An easy buff to knives(I don't know why it didn't already work like this) is to be able to hold a right click and choose when to let go instead of a set time.

[foggy ginkgo]

Fatboy do just fine i get they light thing though they need a like bump in health 175-200 and @fossil walrus yeah that’s be a decent buff for knives @quick coyote and yeah 200 too much but 175 isnt crazy at all

[quick coyote]

lights health is tuned perfectly. if someone really needs the crutch to be effective, they can get a medium with healing gun—something that would be a nightmare if the light had 200 health.

[tawny oak]

stun gun needs reworking, shits fucking stupid, allow me to scope in atleast, or let me press buttons/keys to get out of it

[harsh trail]

every day i make a post in this channel asking for this change 😔 hopefully one day we get it

[placid valley]

In The Finals 2, if there is a game called that

[idle totem]

It's frustrating but at least can we agree to leave only a little bit of fairness to lights ? aha

[tranquil eagle]

the stun gun is very easy to counter, place your crosshair on the enemy and shoot (unless they run away)

[sudden tangle]

no, embark should just remove light at this point. they made light so pointless, and people are still crying for light nerfs...

[fossil walrus]

If they change that then I'll be using mainly knives. It's the light's most enjoyable weapon.

@dusk vector the main reason why stun is so annoying is because of the invisibility. If light only had vanishing bomb for that then it would be harder to rely on stuns. When they try to use it face to face they lose 70% health before they have a chance to change weapons. Just make light heal much quicker out of combat

Also I do like the suggestion someone else had about giving light a rocket propelled breaching charge similar to Ash from Siege. Could be a great replacement for Cloak

[fickle linden]

You can use #bug-discussion or send it to support!

-ask

[spiral light]

<:thefinals:1108025386081714196> PLAYER SUPPORT

Reach our Support Team: Link

Use the 💬 icon on the bottom-right of the page to send a message!

[green bison]

BAN THE CHEATERS BAN THE CHEATERS BAN THE CHEATERS BAN THE CHEATERS BAN THE CHEATERS BAN THE CHEATERS BAN THE CHEATERS BAN THE CHEATERS BAN THE CHEATERS BAN THE CHEATERS BAN THE CHEATERS BAN THE CHEATERS BAN THE CHEATERS BAN THE CHEATERS BAN THE CHEATERS BAN THE CHEATERS BAN THE CHEATERS BAN THE CHEATERS

[quartz girder]

say it again for the devs in the back

[cerulean skiff]

what u think about these changes / qol features?

We should be able to load into practice with teammates and allow us to switch enemy sides for a full testing environment

Private matches/tournaments to allow us to play with friends

A single node should be in the middle of each map in ranked tournament to allow us to swap gadgets. The game has a rock, paper, scissors gameplay style (smoke > fire > gas). And the random map modifiers can completely fuck over builds (looking at you 'dead go boom' and melee).

Slide while sprinting should let you stay crouched. No idea why it forces you back into sprinting mode when you can just press sprint again to achieve this.

An option to prioritize grabbing things vs reload.

Defib needs a nerf + a lockout on the same person for a duration to combat triple medium teams.

Turret needs an hp nerf

Vanish bomb should be twice the duration on teammates to lean into support options for Light.

Smoke should be 1.5-2x length

[quick coyote]

Hope you guys are satisfied with how quick cash is looking rn.

[gilded silo]

Games solid but gotta remove where if you leave it takes battle pass XP and regular xp giving you 0 even if you spent the only 10 minutes you had before work or school playing why play if you may have to leave in the middle of the match cause the game will punish you with 0 XP on both for having a real life to go do.

[woeful perch]

Can I have some feedback on the discord instead of the game? Can we have H/M/L discussion text channels that are separate from the build channels? Because currently the build channels are a hang out discussion room for each class where any talk of builds is insta buried.

[tawny oak]

i dont know what private matches are 30 mins and you are in a queue for it, it makes no sense to me
im ok with it keeping you sprinting, but it needs to work as i run and slide, sometimes it doesnt go off and i just crouch
there is an option, you can change it in the settings, they added it i think last patch
defib needs a bigger cooldown or it needs to whind up longer for the revive
turret is ok but it needs a lock on nerf and a rate of fire nerf

Recon for me should be pulses like the sonar grenade, decrease the circu of the sonar and have the recons sonar be pulses with a bigger circum
sniper needs a fire rate increase on the 2nd and 3rd shot as i notice its delayed or off

[fossil walrus]

Well Dead Go Boom should have a delay so if you have the reflexes, you can avoid the explosion. I don't know why they made it as they've done.

Defib does need a nerf but they could leave it as it is if it replaced Recon and Recon was removed. That way you couldn't have a healing beam and a defib at the same time.

The Vanishing Bomb change is a good one if they decide to replace Cloak with something else. I personally like some kind of breaching rocket so that lights can flank and play off angles better a la Ash/Zofia

The turret nerf is fine but also why can it track lights that are dashing so perfectly? Maybe some lag there would be a better alternative.

[near silo]

I find that the dps on the automatic weapons like the AK and FCAR are too high compared to the other options, so what reason is there to use something else? The AKM and FCAR do everything great and are easy to use, while the alternatives are more difficult to use or more niche while ALSO performing worse. The 1887 kills slower in close range, where a shotgun is designed to perform while having a very punishing reload, the GL is forced into awkward ranges being an explosive projectile weapon while having a low dps.

I am solidly of the opinion that universally applicable weapons should perform worse in damage compared to specialized weapons, as it stifles gameplay expression and diversity.

[fickle linden]

Appreciate it! You can also always submit any more feedback to EggMail, we use it to keep track of server requests and feedback!

[sonic flare]

Remove recon

[cerulean skiff]

vanishing bomb and smoke changes were to play up the few support options Lights have since that seems to be 1 of their main reasonings for being bad in teams.

@tawny oak private match was to play with more friends. what arent you getting?

and thank u for telliung me about the prioritize pick up. like omg that's huge

@fossil walrus thx for ur comments

[haughty mica]

Lads, you need to do something with SBMM in rankeds, one of Gigz’s viewers got matchmaked with him being in bronze, while gigz is diamond 1 in top 10.

[safe geyser]

Sometime when I want to put my lovely c4 on the nukes my 2nd c4 disappears

[gilded silo]

As it stands with how the games setup it’s peak times are gonna only ever be when other games are down for maintenance until that’s fixed ^

Hopefully they listen to the community it’s a very solid game would love to see where it goes.

[tawny oak]

i dont think you understood, private match uses online servers like you are looking for a game instead of it being off the actual online section, they literally queue you for a lobby in order to play private match and give you 30minutes to be in that lobby. It doesnt make any sense to me why its timed and why i need to queue for a lobby to be in a private match, why not just make it separate like other games do

[royal kestrel]

Oh you mean locked roles? Just 1 of each?

[placid valley]

People are just queueing with 3 mediums on purpose. Only one person takes recon, and they can share the locations between themselves. Recon is just a lame design for solo queue players. Only role lock can force people use different classes, but as I said before, it's just thing forcing players to be killed by the other better class.

[cerulean skiff]

can we get sprint slide to allow us to stay crouched instead of defaulting back to sprint automatically? I've heard recoil is more manageable while crouched and would love to not have to press crouch multiple times just because I was sprinting before i pressed it the first time.

[quartz girder]

Please fix voice chat for Xbox. It stopped working for most people on xbox. COD vc works perfect

[subtle oak]

What is this melee glitch?

[safe geyser]

Why we gotta mention cod lol

[royal kestrel]

Any idea out there, for making the exchange of the earnable currency to the paid currency?
It doesn't even have to be that much.
Like 3000 vr, and only when you get at 3000, for 3, maybe more, of the paid currency. Why not?

[quartz girder]

because voice chat works well in other games why can't it work well in the finals ;[ just an example. bout the only thing cod does perfect xd

[neon stone]

a cool feature would be something like a thumbs up or kudos on players at the end of the match. this could then allow you to thumbs up players that you played well with to increase your chances of matchmaking with them again in the future

[urban hatch]

Do yall prefer AK or Fcar

[fossil walrus]

If they remove recon and replace it with defibrillator it fixes most of that. Can't use defib and recon at the same time. I also don't understand why it has so much utility but some of that would be fixed with changes to other roles. Like for instance glitch grenades should ignore aps turrets imo.

Also what about this change to Cloak? Instead of invisibility the light is completely visible when it's active but they make no sound, don't trigger devices and ignore turrets. To me that would make the class better in a team concept as a flanker. Kind of like Nokk from Siege
@nazca98.#0000 You think Light is broken?

[latent bobcat]

I think that locking classes is a good thing or at least locking the ability, is very boring playing against 3 turrets/healing beam. Also, light is a very stupid class, too powerfull for and require 0 skills. Stun and glitch are gadget that you cant counter and give free kills to light players

[cerulean skiff]

What if glitch grenade/mine amplified dmg by 1.2x?

I feel like Light buffs need to get mad creative before we truly figure out how to make them useful to teams on average. Yes, the cracked players are good, but what can an average Light bring to your team?

[dusky apex]

please fix cashbox rebounding off objects and clipping through floor in trees/bushes etc

[placid valley]

the whole medium should be reworked imo. But there're too many things need to be changed. There's no reason having the best wep, support, utiliies in a same class. I dont think they will make it at once. So.. guess the game will still be unbalanced for the next few patches, if it don't die first.

[tall sparrow]

Nerf nukes ffs

[weary flame]

If you got in the range of a knife this is very much your fault.

[soft gorge]

Embark please, add mouse and keyboard support on consoles and input based matchmaking!

[manic aspen]

what knife lmao

@cinder ermine it is quick melee exploit, not light dagger

[cinder ermine]

It was like 96 damage from knife and 100 +damage from the heavy stuffing the shotgun up his behind lmao

[subtle oak]

Is it a known glitch that when I win, the win doesnt show up in my total wins, but when I lose it adds up in my total losses?

Been stuck on 693 wins and every win I get doesnt add up

Edit: it was because I joined late I think

[quartz girder]

can we get the griddy dance and dances like the dougie emotes?

[pine needle]

Wait since the LH got buffed to 49 on bodyshot, did the Headshot damage go up as well? How much is it atm?

[quick coyote]

embark, you need to do something about the glitch that causes objects (including trophies) to fall through the ground and stay there.

also, can we get a harsher leave system? i understand im going to lose rank, but the frequency of bad sports is high

[placid valley]

It's about your one life for a bullet to the head of Fcar user.

[stone crown]

Suggestion:

SBMM system that considers a blend of K/D ratio, total money cashed out, revives, and assists. This approach will not only gauge individual combat skills but also reward strategic play and teamwork.

[tranquil kindle]

Hey it would be really helpful to test mines if they could hit the dummies in the practice range

[woeful perch]

It is 49 body and 98 headshot. Keep in mind it changed none of those required to kill L/M/H, so no TTK changes. It performs pretty much the exact same as before the buff.

[royal kestrel]

Please for the love of god, add the option to skip the end of the match
When you see the winners? So i can join another game faster, please.

[pine needle]

I am moderately upset ty

[abstract elbow]

I am currently in a game with multiple aimbotters trying to kill each other. Wonder why this games playerbase is 20% it was a month ago lol. Have seen the same aimbotter multiple times over the past week. Pretty sure reports do nothing anyways. Plus, people will keep partying with aimbotters because they aren't being punished for it.

[paper birch]

We need a banning batman

[frosty cave]

pls buff throwing knives

[opaque patio]

can my dome shields please stop falling through the maps how commonly it happens is actually insane

[dull hemlock]

Remove the weird spread from jumping and whatnot and allow them to hold their right click and go from there. That alone would make them way more usable.

[fluid raptor]

removing spread while jumping in general would be very nice

[charred burrow]

Hey! I have some longer feedback on current ranked games state, where should I write it?

[stone crown]

You might as well write it on toilet paper since the devs are going to use it the same way....

[tranquil eagle]

be sure to complain to the reddit to be most effective

[keen steppe]

I think scrapping recon sense and putting the defib in that slot would help a lot. In addition moving all of mediums movement utility (zip-line + jump pad) to light would reduce the hording of utility the medium class has at the moment.

This would make it so each class had a specific role to support the team (heavy = destruction, protection; medium = healing, area denial, recon; light = movement, harass/disruption)

[tepid violet]

Lets Buff Recon Senses…the duration is to short🤡 I guess I’m using regular Wallhacks again

[restive dove]

this game was way more fun in beta

[plush plaza]

The meta is just so stale atm with MMM recon defib, even nukes were funnier than this.

Combined with nothing worth playing for. Ranked is just a metric on how much you play the game and not how good you are makes it completely worthless to play. I am not a fulltime streamer so there is no point for me trying to compete against people who play 15hours a day.

[median frost]

yes

[stone crown]

1. lack of responsiveness to the community's feedback
2. insufficient action against cheaters drives legitimate players away
3. relatively new company with a lot to learn
4. already working on another project before finishing this one (Arc Raiders)

[warm vapor]

I have many gamer friends that play multiple games at the same, so once they have reached level 40 and complete the battlepass they now are playing a lot more of the other games and barely play the finals.. the problem with all gaming communities is always complain about something, for me its lights (I'm old I can't react fast enough for the invs ones and get doublebarrel shot in the ass pretty easy) for other people could be the c4 barrel thingy for other triple M with, etc etc .... the thing is now we have all these discord and reddit and streamers and shit and people keep demanding stuff but in the majority of cases its more about themself the the whole game, most people want to personalize a whole game to their own teste and that's not possible... and EMBARK actually listen to their community and doing actually a pretty damn good job.. but yea there always be something we are not happy with but there also there always someone who is happy with that you don't like so yeah...I think we all need to chill out and ENJOY this magnificent and extremely fun game and let's not forget its 2 months old. So yeah I won't be worry about that the game is doing fine, cheers yo

[solid narwhal]

Add input based matchmaking and a xim/cheat detection rework so we can have kbm on console!
Please and thank you.

[vocal cave]

Agreed, no way to make everyone happy. Personally I have little complaints about the game currently, I really like it.

[soft gorge]

I don't think there is a xim/ chronus detector for any game, like an anti cheat, but yeah, input based matchmaking and MKB support on consoles are a must.