👂┇game-feedback

[humble tinsel]

is this certain or just how you'd balance next patch? i think recon makes more sense as working better at a distance, give it crazy range but make it either stop working within a certain range or behave similar to the way depicted here. it'll give you vital information like which teams are where and how many are at any location w/o being able to be abused in gunfights on top of having a ton more synergy with sonar grenade as you'll have one meant for distance/team tracking and one meant for team use inside of engagements. if recon get's changed to this it basically becomes sonar except some small differences and w/o the info being conveyed to the full team...it would make it nearly unjustifiable as a specialisation pick compared to turret and beam

[sinful lance]

dude's literally just making things up. ignore him. so many bad actors on this discord. also a ton of brown nosers that have nothing to say except post :Nope: emojis on valid critiques

[modern sparrow]

This is very true.

[balmy orbit]

why does your shit game not have a report option while your game is full of cheaters (nvm i didnt know it was p to report)

[lime isle]

But it literally does you press P

[quick coyote]

After playing this game for around 500 hours, i will not be playing it any longer until there is a significant balance update. I am and have always been one of the best controller players in most games i play(this is not about the aim assist nerf), i was top 500 on console in OW, Pred in Apex Legends, made over $10k last year in competitive earnings, and decided that ranked wasn't worth any amount of time in The Finals because the game is a joke rn. The balance team must have not even played it. Invis can full sprint with no indication of where they are(the audio in the game is absurdly loud 90% of the time) and given ther speed of lights along with getting one/two tapped by a double barrel shotgun after being compltely immobilized by a stungun is not competitive and theres no outplay. Getting rpged by a heavy as a light has no outplay. Nuke barrels, no outplay. triple medium stacks running defib and heal beam to pocket eachother, no outplay, and why in the world should immortal frames exist after defib, why do they get a chance because their teammate made a BAD MOVE, why do they go unpunished, and if its a heavy, see the above point. Why does recon sense allow for frame perfect beams for someone rounding a corner, its free wallhacks(not that theres ANY LACK of cheaters due to the joke of an anti cheat). Light is not even viable unless youre running invis stun shotgun because everything one taps you or out ttks you. In what world of balance should a gun with 50 bullets also do the most damage per round. Why do the lowest skill weapon in any fps(shotguns) usable from the same range as the smgs. Why does the ak have 36 bullets but the fcar only has 20(nerf ak, fcar does not need a buff). 50% of the game is unusable because the other 50% is so unbelievably OP that its not fun to use or play against. And whats the point of offering QnA testers to apply on your website just to never reply. Like do yall genuinely want your game to fail. The competitive scene is a joke

[undone kraken]

Iv'e tried uninstallign anticheat, deleteing discorvery and embark folders, but I keep getting a server intregrity violation and my game crashes

[sharp belfry]

I aint readin all that, enjoy your lil break

[rocky verge]

increase tazer recharge time

[twilit lily]

There is no competitive scene. So...Devs literally said this game IS NOT competitive and created for fun to just jump in and game. So if you jumped in here expecting a competitive game, you didn't do some basic research. This game is not, and will not be competitive.

[half wind]

hmmm im not sure, i hope theres an esports scene in the coming year or so

[humble tinsel]

if they add custom games, with near certainty a competitive scene will develop

[quick coyote]

Easy to use reWASD AA MnK again.
You should do something embark.

[glad delta]

a couple issues that I have
the lh1's damage means that even if I get 5 body shots on a medium means they're not dead. even bumping the damage by 3 would make it feel better to use, esp because there are so many automatic weapons that do comparable damage at range, and very many 1 and 2 shot weapons for a light at close range

there's a bug where I can't shoot or use any of my gadgets until I die

thermal vision should be a tap to use, not to put in your inventory and use because by the time you need it you don't have time to pull your weapon out

Thermal vision has some graphical bugs when looking at an invisible person with no actual building or objects behind them--they are still invisible

Thermal vision has a really short distance you can use it on. Extending that to like more of a medium range would make it work a lot better

I really like this game but the balance is fucked and skewed way towards mediums and heavys and the meta is no skill strat with invis and shotgun/melee

[sinful lance]

aint readin all that interesting how so many of you come onto the feedback discord when you 'can't read' posts

[quick coyote]

I challenge you to name a successful fps in the last 10 years that hasnt had a competitve scene. Can't name one? Since OG CoDs, skill and competition to be one of the best players is what has driven FPS games to succeed, take apex for example. You hop on tiktok or twitch and see some clips of people 1v3ing or doing crazy movement, and your reaction is "damn i kinda wanna play apex now" so you hop on, you see a cool skin or two, you spend money, the game is successful. Now we have The Finals, a VERY good base for a game that will also die incredibly fast because your top level of players doesn't care to grind the game because it's not competitive or fulfilling. You think I'm the only one with this opinion? Delusional. Every FPS is inherently competitive and without competitive integrity the game will lose top players that give the game attention

[sudden spire]

I wish the tournament bracket screen showed more info

[dusky kelp]

they should add like a warzone esque map, a huge mishmash of all the other maps with like 10 teams

[lapis acorn]

I see most of your concerns about the meta having no counterplay like defibs , recon, and nukes. however lights aren't an issue and the double barrel while it is a little strong isnt good at all in this game. Idk what headphones you have but they are so loud while invis. dash is objectively the better agility to run as lights. also lights lose a 1v1 to every other class so their job isnt to get kills just to distrubt and clean up low health enemies. also ak is in a good spot at the moment and the fcar needs a balance change along w the lewis gun to bring it in line with other guns

[glad delta]

lights are not good unless you pick invis or dash and even then they die too easy and the skill floor is too high

[orchid island]

I think there should be game modes with bigger party sizes, there are a lot of times where me and my friends want to play, but we have to many people and need to split into different VCs, a mode with bigger team sizes would be great for large groups to play together, and would be chaotic fun

[ornate olive]

The turrets are way too overpowered. One moment me and my squad will be taking a cash out then the next someone puts down a turret and now we can't reach the cash out for the rest of the timer. It's incredibly tanky and it hits ridiculously hard.

[pastel bay]

Ive been playing with the sawed-off + cloak and it really dosent take to much skill compared to other setups. You just need decent positioning and know how to single off fights. Its kind of boring really

[undone belfry]

No competitive game but neefing aa so competitive people get adavnate over casuals.. on console... yeah the game is definitely trying to be competitive while its root are casual

[crude brook]

bi-daily mention of adding explicit heterogeneous m-gpu to the finals for physics processing

[glossy compass]

invisibility is op

[wary jetty]

the finals is perfectly balanced,

[glad delta]

you are part of the problem I was talking about in my previous post meta is like sawed off cloak and its lame as fuck. Skill should mean better outcomes. meta is so obligatory for light it makes it real lame and one note if you want good outcomes

[quick coyote]

Okay so, why does ranked not have skill based match making?

I have recently found out that the ranked tournament game mode does not match with with teams of similar rank, only people on your team get matched to your rank. This is just, not a ranked mode? Why does it work this way?

I posted a video talking about it in media chat, and have independently tested what the video talked about :/ Im in bronze but other teams are sometimes even top 1000. With a game of 100k+ concurrent players this should not be an issue. (I did this by checking names agains the leaderboard)

[inner coral]

ziplines placed in the firing range don't show the zip between the posts and you can only interact in the very centre or at the posts.
probably a known issue can't test zipline movement outside of a live game for now.

[wanton bramble]

Things to fix:
Nuke dmg (I play heavy and it’s not fun to nuke or be nuked)
Enemy sounds (footsteps jump pads etc)
Light taser (class is bad but this is just op)
Comp rank (you should be able to see all enemy ranks when you load in + game needs to have better matchmaking)
Turret health (make it like double the aps[?] turret hp)
Med defib (could make it like a 10 second cooldown after being rezd urself)
Immunity frames (in a game that spawns you away from enemies it’s not needed)

[coral hawk]

crazy how the devs been so lazy and this game already dead. Idk how recon medium made it into the game. Same with heavy and nukes

[past knot]

how long does a glitch grenade/trap last when triggered?

[quick coyote]

Aim assist on console controller has a bug which doesnt have any magnetism while firing someone under 20 meters close which makes killing enemies close to you really messy.

https://www.reddit.com/r/thefinals/s/V9efyvhGjJ

[tulip wave]

Please add AUTO SPRINT

[hot breach]

reticle customization would be a nice touch

[undone belfry]

Yeah as I said devs messed up aim assist on console but noone wants to hear that 🤷‍♂️.

Medium shotgun and Revolver on console are kinda dead. But well. Its the devs choice to kill casual console player base. I already see the exact same names over and over again..

[rough finch]

light spam isn't fun

[slim fog]

Just like Get good

[glad delta]

OH ALSO! some kind of mmr would be good it's obvious that you're not going against enemies for any like rhyme or reason based on skill levels

[pliant lintel]

yeah the mmr system feels all over the place, the matchmaking does not feel consistent at all

[next meadow]

I think the dagger needs some tweaks. The daggers aim assist is way too much at times, making me over shoot or under shoot the back stab. on top of that I think the backstab angles need to be slightly buffed so that you can aim around the shoulderblades and still hit the backstab. its really weird how much aim assist the knife has on PC, and almost always leads to misses on backstabs due to trying to aim for the back but then overshooting due to the aim assist completely turning you 180.

[queen stag]

Game is fun, Lots of cheaters tho

[ancient hare]

this isn't feedback or anything I just want everyone at Embark to know that i'm blowing you all a big ol kiss right now 😘

[maiden prairie]

game just crashed and make me lose 600 elo and banned me for 10 minutes even tho the games still going on 👍

[undone cobalt]

Fix hit reg when using shotguns
I've got 5+ clips today where I've hit direct shots dealing 0 dmg, some even with hitmarkers 💀 fix the game I beg this isn't just happening to me

[past flower]

game crashed right when i loaded in. Also killcams would be cool

[broken fulcrum]

kill cams would be a great idea

[cunning niche]

just played mt first match with goo gun, and i gotta say, it is the single worst thing i have ever seen implemented in to a video game. It absolutely ruined the match for everyone else. I honestly really think it should just be removed from the game untill you can come up with something better. @quick coyote @rustic bloom @rustic crown (not sure who to tag)

[quick coyote]

Pyro Grenades, Pyro Mines, Flamethrower, Charge & Slam, Breaching Charge, C4, Frag Grenades, Pyro Barrels, Explosive Barrels, etc. You are given many tools to counter Goo.

[undone belfry]

game is probably fun on pc, but not anymore on console if you want to run fun guns... my main wep, the medium shotgun is useless now, because well it has no aim assit and one needs to sweat more then the other players which use fcar, lmg with disc etc...

and no im not bad... im above average and i consistenly had 10+ kills in almost every game with the shotgun. now i barely get any kills anymore and no, its not because my aim is that bad, but because the disadvantage if i miss a shot, because all other main weapons still snap...

heres a example of a game i just played with the fcar.. its hilarious how it doesnt feel that different from before the patch...

https://imgur.com/a/Kbdm5Qc

it was fcar and of course recon senses, the main combo everyone runs in diamond ranked now. the game was quick cash, the enemys werent bad, but fcar with the current aim assist is still as strong as before when an good or very good player plays it.

so yeah, as i said the aa nerf just made casual people loose more.. and im talking for my friends because they dont play the game anymore... and i lost alot of interest becasue i either need to run meta guns or get shredded because i cant counter those efficiently, not because of skill, but becasue of the huge disadvante regarding to aim assit.

either remove snapping completly or enable it for guns like revolver and medium shotgun, which arent used largely anyway and never where the issue in first place

@crude path first of all, i dont need it. but i want a balance between either all guns or a buff for the guns that arent used anyways and got nerfed because of the aim assit patch.

secondly you cannot compare apex to this game, the aim mechanics are waaay different. the shotgun there is broken with aim assit if you use it rightly, because it auto tracks. in the finals the shotgun doesnt auto track anymore, but guns like fcar etc. still do. thats my issue - and the issue for alot casuals who want to play other guns.

[rapid moss]

I almost feel like Defib and Healing Beam should swap places. Defib becomes a specilization and heal beam a gadget. Heal beam is in an ok spot, not too strong, not too weak. Yet Defib is a MUST pick. Medium only gets 2 gadgest slots really.

[dire hedge]

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[marsh oriole]

R E M O V E N U K E S A N D R E C O N A S A P

[crude path]

Why u need snapping? For example Apex Legends do not have such aa feature. And controller players still dominating both ranked&competitive. While shotguns in meta every seasson.

[sage tartan]

thats like saying light only gets two also because we have to run glitch

[harsh trail]

day 22 of asking for a throwing knives balance patch/bug fix to make them a viable weapon option

[cunning niche]

i'm sorry, but no, counters or not, the goo gun is awful. it ruined the entire match and i was even able to grief my team mates with it. Singlely the worst thing in a video game ever.

[finite wind]

it's the game that suddenly send for some unknown reason a big amount of data saturating the upload bandwidth, i bet that you don't have a large upload bandwidth, how many MB?
I already send a ticket to the website...

[radiant aspen]

bruh I need a color blind mode

[still coyote]

nerf invis

[undone belfry]

you are never gonna be satisfied when you think it will be patched... because it never will be as long as aim assit it there. the aa nerf did nothing. i guess you guys slowly get this. there are more ways to emulate a controller, not just that software. also that software is the worst of all regarding emulating controller and granting aim assit. and it still lets people play good. you never wanna see the others in action trust me

[deft river]

10 up but 1k down

[crisp oxide]

Light players have no souls. They’re sick twisted people.

[steel tinsel]

Yes I am, actually

[astral abyss]

I've seen a lot of console people saying they are having a hard time hitting shots since the AA nerf. And from my own observations I've seen console player's K/D each game be markedly worse on average since the nerf. It's pretty crazy that the multiplayer fps with maybe the highest TTK has almost no discernable aim slowdown the weakest rotational AA in the industry right now.

Another silent nerf to controller players that i don't hear people talk about was that lowering magnetism decreases recoil pattern compression. As any controller vet knows rotational AA and slowdown helps to "crunch" your bullet spread when you're in the AA bubble. But with it AA being so weak now it makes being accurate tougher. It's already hard enough to control the wild recoil on some of these guns with an analog stick.

If I wanted to play this game competitively I would just switch to M&K at this point for sure. It's clearly the best input now.

[uncut anchor]

Once the matchmaking gets fixed in ranked, there should be some more modes for casuals. Not too much to the point that you’re just copying cod, but some party modes like saxton hale from tf2 or zombies turned from bo2.

[quick coyote]

I personally use both PC and console. Aim assist should have only been changed on the PC. It is ten thousand times easier to aim using mnk—it is literally a point and click adventure. There were many people complaining about controller users being too strong, but those individuals have no clue just how terrible their hand eye coordination is

[fiery thorn]

I hope they do something to address people abandoning matches. just played a match where i went through 4 different teammates. incredibly frustrating

[hollow dune]

we need rank matchmaking bad... my back hurts

[mellow shadow]

Small detail but for the Mini Roulette skin they should add the roulette ball for the inspect animation!

[lost cedar]

@alak71 I assume that's what it was supposed to do since it is shown to have it in the battlepass

[woven lodge]

Is it just me or since they did the REwasd patch their has been a lot more hackers? I used to enjoy quickplay and just leave ranked for hackers and sweats but out of 6 games i just played their was 2 hackers. I hope they follow CSGO's lead and steam bann accounts

[gritty garnet]

0 objective score 💀

[sharp belfry]

It's the quality of the kills that counts, not the quantity.

[humble sorrel]

everyone is way more accurate overnight? lol strange

[hollow dune]

I guess you can win this game without killing your opponent😅

[uncut anchor]

The greatest victory is the one that requires no battle. :3

[upper citrus]

I made my own set of "dream patchnotes" that i think would improve the balance of the game. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IWaMeno8v6EH8Fc4SWKkXTxtcqqn8464qePbilHQ_HA/edit?usp=sharing

[keen steppe]

Light:
Should get faster regenration out of combat to improve their harass-playstyle.

Someone else mentioned a stimshot item which could also work out instead of changing the regen timer. Maybe even make it so you can choose to give that stim to a teammate instead of using it only on yourself.

The sniper could use some love aswell. Not too sure about in what way tho, since that could easily make it too strong. Some experimentation with firerate might be a good first step imo.

M11 is in a weird spot too, it technically is slightly stronger than the xp-45 up close but overall still significantly worse. Maybe enhance the close-range capabilities even more so there is a clear difference between the two.

Sword should be able to hit multiple opponents with the charge attack. (The reverse of heavies hammer)

Medium:
After getting resurrected by defib you should not have invulnerability.

If you get defibbed as a medium you should have your own defib go on cooldown to prevent chain defibs.
OR
Make it so defib isnt instant but just significantly shortens the regular revive-time. Like a sped up version of the normal revive where youd have to keep facing the downed-player trophy.

In addition a reduced effect for multiple healing beams on the same target would be good aswell. One beam heals for 100%, two beams would heal for more than 100% but less than 200%.

A change for recon sense also wouldnt hurt. Maybe make it so it functions similar to thermal vision of light. Where you have to pull out a tablet to activate it and it stays activated for a set amount of time and goes on cooldown afterwards. Also make it pulse every 5 seconds instead of a continuous vision. Each pulse would outline enemies for 1.5 seconds.

Heavy:
Hammer horizontal swings should be able to hit multiple opponents. (The reverse of lights sword)

Performance:
Some performance and optimization improvements are very needed aswell.

Melee AA should be toggleable.

[fast plinth]

THERE'S AIM ASSIST?????

[oblique bramble]

I feel like that is saying to buff light, nerf medium, and heavy gets a mini buff.

[humble tinsel]

trip wires & turrets is such a bad map variation imo

[hollow dune]

you right I'm wrong wiping out the whole map can't get you wins at all ...... defending the cash out don't get you wins at all........ but hey my back still hurts..... also @gritty garnet 😂

[warped tartan]

your game is so much fun embark. the only thing i’d like the suggest is to reduce the amount of lasers on the vegas map at 1 AM. for tournaments, it’s very frustrating as the players cannot steal. The same for casual, too.

[turbid gate]

tell me embark is doin sum bout it tho

[frank knot]

objective score: 0

[gritty garnet]

nah im just joking haha, you did good helping out in elims
im just pent up with teammates who goes for kills and dont care about defeding or stealing cashouts at all

[uncut anchor]

Sun tzu would be proud. Also, i want a napoleon skin thats plays his elite guard theme from the waterloo movie. :3

[shrewd vine]

Please add harsher penalties to leavers, just had 2 chinese players (I'm EU so idk how that happened) on my team and both left. Now I'm currently 1v9ing and stuck here for fear of a penalty myself. 😦

[astral abyss]

💯

[oblique bramble]

Not an issue for Oceanzilla

[astral bronze]

Ngl this aim assist nerf was a bad thing it just made it harder for honest players to combat the cheaters. People using xim and zen will already have the precision of mnk so any aim assist even nerfed will make little to no difference on top of that they run anti recoil scripts. Now if u go to an average all the way to top 500 player they now have to work much harder to pull ahead in the gun fights against these people. And diamond rank they are infested everywhere. A large majority of people are using these devices in diamond plus ranked @tame pivot

[tame pivot]

Bad bait

[vestal lintel]

From what info I gathered of it, I think it's worth it, increases skill gap and reduces the amount of people abusing it. I haven't tried this game on controller though yet

[wary jetty]

why doesn't the announcer say when you get a double or triple kill, i feel like it would only add to the feel that this game is going for

[compact stream]

Because it's ai lines. They didn't feel like paying for voice acting so there is zero in the game.

[hollow dune]

I mean I guess that's what you have to say when you're getting carried🤷‍♂️ 😅 also objective score check

@oblique bramble was you the person playing with a riot shield or the light class who wasn't hitting his sniper shots because that's the only game I couldn't bear to play. y'all literally kept on separating from each other😂

[rocky verge]

Sniper should be buffed by a) reduced or take away vertical sway
Or
B) make it deal more damage against full hp
Or
C) make it do more damage against Hp>50%

[eager raven]

Hello! here are my notes

GAMEPLAY:

Some way to observe enemy players, like a killcam we can opt into on a per-death basis "press x to watch killcam", would be a much better way to confirm whether players are cheating in lobbies. Right now it's very difficult to confirm cheats.

I think the motion sensor + explosive canister exploit with the grappling hook is proof that being able to grapple canisters is honestly not too powerful and I think should be introduced as a feature WITHOUT need for a motion sensor, grapple is the weakest of the 3 specializations right now and this would be a fun way to buff it. I'll admit, I've had a lot of fun with the exploit and It'll be sad to see it go. It's also beautiful in a way how perfectly the current exploit behaves, like the grapple is super clean and follows the canister perfectly it's already not buggy.

I think cloak is a little over tuned currently and creates a really dissatisfying gameplay interaction. Being able to shoot the same frame invisibility starts to fade-out is really frustrating, as you really get blindsided for the first few shots. In the case of the double-barrel, that basically means you're already dead (nani?) Being able to recloak immediately is rough to fight too, and being able to reload whilst invisible is also soooo strong. the invis warble sound could be much louder too.

I think, while scoped, that RPG should have its full accuracy and not have any random deviation. Being able to precisely hit important cables and ziplines at range is what made RPG really good for teamplay.

Enemy footsteps are SO quiet right now, even heavys have been sneaking up behind me at a full sprint and I am none the wiser. I play a lot of sword, so I'm shooting myself in the foot for saying I should be louder... but the general player base will benefit. Maybe make melee weapons give you a quieter footstep? (copium)

GAME IN GENERAL:

Team text chat would be so, so useful. The team voice chat, even when it is fixed and fully functional, is not enough for communication and is also uncomfortable for lots of people myself included. I'd just like to say good job to my rando teammates without having to use my voice, or maybe ask them to shoot a hanging balloon of stuff for me since I have a sword.

More versatile use of the AI voices is like the only way not paying VAs can be justified. If you're so excited about this tool please use it in ways that a VA couldn't fulfill. As it stands, the AI voices are a cost cutting measure and don't add anything exciting to the experience. Make them dynamic! Let people choose team names using premade words like its a name on Wizard 101 (to prevent profanity) it could be a LOT of fun... but right now it doesn't come off as anything but a cost saving measure.

Also give light a market gardener, you know what that is I know you do. 1 shot medium and lights when airborne from jump pad, zipline, or grapple, does daggerish damage if grounded. God that would be so much fun but I know you've made a lot of light weapons and gadgets recently so y'all have priorities on the others i'm sure.... but some day pls

Alright that's it, great game yall

[lethal bough]

nerf cloaking on light please (and shotgun as well)🥺

[halcyon hinge]

Guys, i need help, really. I try to make contact with the support but no one answer me so I'm here. My game basically change every single player name, including mine with the name CONTESTANT, and i can fix that, i try to reinstall but keeps. And I try the game in my other xbox live account and works perfectly

[astral bronze]

The cloak is the only thing that lights have going for them if you want balance for the game nerf the db for casual players and nerf the aim penalty while stunned from then you have to nerf the nukes on heavy by making it so when blowing up canisters it only does the dmg of the canister not the c4, mine, or charge. Then nerf recon sense slightly maybe by making it pulse or decreasing its uptime. Also reverse the aim assist patch and start banning people using any hardware and or software that allows unfair advantage over other players. They can detect people that use these devices it is not hard they choose not to ban them.

[gritty garnet]

as a semi light main i prefer grapple but i do agree cloak could use a lil nerf, maybe add like a uncloaking sound to signify where they're coming from would help

[sage tartan]

cloak already tells u where they are with a whole sound

[shrewd vine]

Well I did try to rat an objective that would've put me into qualifying, but red team came by despite the other vault not being planted, killed me after I killed remaining purple, and didn't even cap the cashout themselves. I'd think some teams would want the 1 player guy in the tournament for easy later games. I guess I'm not as good as whoever Oceanzilla is.

[rocky verge]

But, the dash and grapple are good.
Also tazer invis is pretty annoying (bring back cb1 tazer maybe?)
Invis ain’t broken, it just has its visibility relying on ur graphics settings which needs to be fixed ):

[proven harness]

hey for some reason whenever someone new downloads the game while someone was already playing the game you cant start matches with that person. also loading times suck and take wayyyy to long in this game

[smoky gust]

how much does invis depend on graphics actually?

does lower or higher quality make it easier to see?

[quick coyote]

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[wooden shale]

This feels like it should be an easy fix: please resolve the issue with Motion Sensors and Tracking Darts not counting toward enemy detection challenges.

[wary jetty]

i mean if its AI i feel like it would be even cheaper and easier to just add a few more, no?

[compact stream]

They probably have to pay a monthly fee or something and they don't want to

[plush cloak]

I havent looked it up or anything but I need to know if skill based matchmaking is a thing because I really dont want to be that guy but when I play ranked its like my teamates just picked p the game and the enemies are literal pros. every sinlge game I play is flooded with twitch streamers. on top of that I played a ranked game with my 1 one friend and our random teamate was literally top 500 diamond at the time we were in BRONZE 4. can someone make this make sense

[paper jewel]

ranked matchmaking is broken atm

[astral bronze]

Let’s be real dash is only good against bad teams or if they just completely break or ankles. Against people who know what they are doing they won’t even get close enough to do that stuff grapple is garbage ngl u can do some trick shots and lucky escapes that is about it. Light really only has invisible powers in their kit as a viable option that is why it can’t be nerfed. They way to push lights into the meta is to nerf the things for the causal player base like the db then nerf the actual problem the stun gun. Then nerf heavy by making it not possible to nuke any more. And then slight tweak recon. Reverse the aim assist patch keep no aim assist for invisible targets only good change out of the patch. Then start banning people who use third party devises with anti recoil scripts

[oblique bramble]

I wasnt playing 🙂 if I want to be sweaty, i go work out.

[hollow dune]

in ranked tournament sure

[lime isle]

There is no "matchmaking" its all random and hopefully you get people in your lobby that are terrible

[buoyant cape]

MOM JEANS WHEN

[cold pilot]

REMOVE RECON

@hollow dune and Remove invisibility

[river wadi]

Maybe fix respawn times

[quick coyote]

Game collab yes

[placid willow]

i got a hacker

[pulsar drift]

Remove Defibrillator invulnerability frames. This will force players to defib in safe places for a proper heal, and punish people for instant reviving out in open combat. Especially since other classes have to manually take a trophy and take 6 seconds to revive someone already.

[wooden vapor]

Add a seperate sensitivity setting for snipers!!!

[pastel bay]

I was essentially agreeing with you, I "main" medium build with AK. In no way do I find sawed off with cloak to take any skill besides basic positioning (common sense). I was saying that its so unfun and easy to use that its straight up boring and isnt good for the "competitive" scene.

[hollow dune]

Remove invisibility then I'll agree

[sour bane]

killcam is deeply needed. also a good way to know how you died so you can learn from it.

[woven rune]

Is it just me or loading in a tournament match doesn’t work

[sturdy comet]

If I leave the game do stats still count

[slender glacier]

My buddies wifi cut out loading into the game and he didnt even have a chance to reconnect and he got the ban and lost the elo. please fix this he would of gotten back in time and we could of won

[cloud jungle]

Invisibility and Recon both need a rework.

Invisibility is useless versus people with good monitors and good eyesight and overpowered versus the opposite, which is terrible from an accessibility standpoint.

Recon invalidates any strategy that isn't "push 3v3 and aim better" which kind of means that lights aren't viable.

@pastel bay that's my point literally (edited because slowmode)

As long recon exists in its current form, only aim dueling decides games.

[pastel bay]

If your aim dueling as light then your already dead

[quick coyote]

does anyone actually like the special events

[languid ridge]

Sometimes, they usually benefit only one or two teams so it’s kinda up to chance if they make the game more enjoyable for u

[hollow dune]

the dead go boom is stupid as f***

[rocky verge]

increase the time for the dead in dead go boom to explode. (delay increase)
slightly increase area of effect

[timber pulsar]

There's a bug where pressing Ctrl + W won't let you move forward, but W + Ctrl does work fine.
Let me know if there a way to fix pls 🙏

[shrewd vine]

Dead go boom is good when you are holding the cashout imo, the rest are moreso hindrances and griefs to the players with little obvious use. Low Gravity is insanely annoying, especially since some special events occur slightly before they are announced, so you can frequently end up going to a jump pad, getting low gravity event, and being in the air for 3 hours doing nothing as you eat the bullets of the entire server.

I think they all need heavy changes or just removal. It seems like a feature that was added to add some kind of quirk to the game to make it different that failed in that respect. Finals is a good game without them.

[cloud jungle]

Dead Go Boom and Low Gravity just screw over melee. Melee is already much weaker than guns, do we really need modifiers that are so much worse for melee while they're neutral at worst for guns.

[exotic parrot]

More skinnnnnns!

[dry sleet]

LIGHT BUILDS:

-Feel a little undertuned in comparison to Mediums and Heavies, feels a little lacking in suvivability, either give an extra small little bump to their health (25-50?) OR maye just reduce the timer till their regen kicks in and nudge up their regen speed. Something to make their skirmish-y solo kinda in and out 1v1 playstyle to feel more sustainable, If you're caught up in a teamfight or directly aim dueling with another player then you're screwed, even if you're smart enough to bail by the time you disengage your hp is likely so low that a light breeze can knock you out. I cant recall how many times I've disengaged only to get caught up in a nearby explosion or get clipped by crossfire if I was skirmishin in a particular area and then i'm gone. It makes their use case feel very niche, and even in the area they're built to excel in, they oft feel underpowered

-Also feel like the grapple hook is a bit undertuned in comparison to the other light specializations, especially the dash - as a movement tool it feels like it should be used to facilitate getting in and out of 1v1s and skirmishes and repositioning to trickier locations much faster, but due to its slightly longer CD/lack of multiple charges, it feels completely overshadowed by the dash. With the right timing, stack management and careful maneuvering a crafty enough player can dash most places a player can grapple, barring some exceptions with a lot more verticality to them. Either reduce the cooldown or give two charges, would make it feel snappier while keeping it a slightly slower/more committed movement option for skirmishes compared to the dash in exchange for providing more positioning utility and movement range. I think that'd help it feel unique and versatile enough to pick it over the dash. Could also be worth making the grapple capable of latching onto launched throwables but maybe that in combination with what I've already proposed may be too much lmao

-If Throwing Knives are supposed to be a precision weapon, why is there random spread introduced when sprinting/airborne?? I wanna use the weapon more but it is so frustrating to have such harsh spread when moving completely undermine the whole point of the weapon, especially when you already have to consider the arc of the projectile when throwing at range. Also believe the throwing speed needs increasing. The weapon already has a high enough skill ceiling/difficulty of use, it's a precision weapon with a physical projectile that travels at its owns peed with its own arc. dying mid fight because you were halfway through the throw animation is a very frustating cherry on top. I've lost so many skirmishes because I've been shot just miliseconds away from finishing the throw, feels bad.

[clever kernel]

Definitely make it so that you can have a max of 2 of the same type on one team instead of allowing people to triple stack one type

[bleak coral]

remove invulnerability AND make it so you cant heal them during the respawn animation

[eager raven]

yeah I think it would be awesome, I'm completely unaware of how complicated or resource intensive it would be to implement one (especially in a game with so many moving parts) but I'd like to see it regardless

[timber pulsar]

https://youtu.be/0ejZp1f7PBc Been experiencing this issue, not sure how to fix, any ideas? (sorry about the music, forgot to remove xd)

[oak rivet]

Need to remove nukes + Nerf recon sense these 2 things make light unplayable in ranked

[summer venture]

day 5004 of asking for light not to be an instant throw pick

[hallow abyss]

Feedback:

Great game, I'm really loving it and hope it does well

Feedback:
Postgame takes too long. Each of the many postgame screens should be consolidated into one or two because it feels annoying to keep hitting "skip", seeing an animation for the new screen, then getting only a little info before having to hit "skip" again is annoying

Requests:
I like playing with a center dot only, if the crosshair width setting went to 0 instead of 1 I'd greatly appreciate it

Some way to sync parts of the customization between contestants, especially emotes. Having to change every loadout whenever I get a new emote is a lot of upkeep

Some way to rename contestants would be nice, instead of "Light 1", "Light 2"

Suggestions:
The Cashout box not capturing capture if it's currently being contested, if the meter is full, it waits until the capture attempt stops then sees who has control of it. A really fun addition would be if players from different teams could keep holding the box until one of them dies and the other gets the capture

Bugs:
The control scheme easily lets me rebind the "System Menu" key, but it doesn't fully update. The new key doesn't open or close the system menu, I still need to use Escape to close the menu, and I can't rebind Escape to Sytem Menu again after changing it away, as Esc cancels the current rebind.

[unreal yew]

Who else gets the connection failed massage when geting in a game and getting kicked. Anyone knows how to fix?

[twilit sorrel]

TAKE OUT THE NUKE!!! Legit the worst thing in the entire game! Just played against someone who had 9 kills because of it, but when he missed, we instantly wiped him. No skill

[topaz anchor]

Experiencing TFLA0002 and have tried to reinstall, verified files and even disabled vpn even though it didn’t even have connection. All I did was update to Windows 11

[plush cloak]

for anyone defending dead go boom i think of it as you getting punished for being better lol. Iv'e won so many crazy fights that were legit just me outplaying them in every way then I die to that shit. I've lost games cuz of it when I won the gun fights 😦

[sinful lance]

thank you for enabling EAC on Proton ❤️

[quick coyote]

Only 9 kills?

[cobalt crane]

We need 4 player modes tired of having people wait out just because it's a odd number.

[tough glade]

Plz remove forced Upscaling/Antialiasing the game is a blur fest, I just want to play with native res without any of this settings on

[sudden spire]

Would be cool to have Bank-It tourney

[red ermine]

I wanna play this game but I don’t wanna deal with recon🤣

[cold pilot]

the only way you fight with recon is another recon 🤣

[humble tinsel]

trip wires and turrets is so unfun

[rocky verge]

it's moreso just getting punished for standing too close together, or holing up in a teensy weensy room.
(or just being too close)

[ashen elbow]

please add proximity chat lmao

[livid oasis]

Any sort of damage nerf to the turrets 2-3 on a team is definitely too much and DESTROYS heath and or shields

[noble nimbus]

minigun for heavy. This game already has big tf2 vibes. Wide firing spread, charge up time, no ads, slow movement while firing... it could work well in this game

[red ermine]

Yup that’s why I’m not playing rn recon is killing that game. Sadly cuz I fw this game alot

[haughty gazelle]

find any solutions?

[amber gull]

ihii i have a problem, code: TFLA003

[dusk geode]

fix the nukes for sure, and the snipers

[quick coyote]

rewasd and xim aimbot still works on mnk, you liars!

[dusky apex]

DONT MAKE GAS BOTTLES LEAK WHEN YOU FALL DIRECTLY ON THEM why!???

[hollow shoal]

Load into casual tourney solo and have no teammates, went the whole match no autofill lmao

[livid oasis]

The taser also is slightly annoying at the moment, not sure of any potential fixes without making it completely useless but it just sucks not being able to do ANYTHING when ur tased maybe lower the affected time it takes a while for the tased status to go away

[urban patrol]

PLS make the snipers do more damage. Also make the sbmm better sometimes when I load into the game I play with absolute drones

[ancient hare]

can u pls give everyone but me a computer virus so i can win more games pls

[mystic kernel]

REMEMBER TO UPDATE YOUR DRIVERS FUCKKKKKKKKKK

[rancid skiff]

How do you know this?

[exotic wren]

maybe a littlee more body dmg but heads are fine i think

[cloud oracle]

game decides to crash and i had to force restart. once i got back in it wouldnt let me reconnect and gave a penalty. I also lost 500 mmr for it.

[topaz anchor]

apparently there are more than me and @unreal yew experiencing connection issues on PC. What's going on devs? It's not even letting us get on the game at all, just stops us in our tracks with the before mentioned error code saying network issues.

[normal sapphire]

Can we please get the ability to connect a mouse to the finals on PS5? Really want that.

[grand mural]

Reduce XP requirement or increase XP gain for bp next season or else I’ll loose another year on my life expectancy due to constant gaming

[nocturne flare]

90-100 hours in 90 days is too much? really?

[wary scaffold]

Just lost a tournament final to a guy 14/0 just doing that the whole tournament.
Nukes are definitely destroying the game

[rigid wharf]

They gotta add 4v4v4, its so annoying because I have 3 friends and I cant play this game with all of them.

[cunning kernel]

you need to learn how to shut the fuck up and stop crying while you can play those stronger classes. light is the most broken fucking thing in the game

[wraith schooner]

Joined a game where it put me solo none of my tm can reconnect all the other teams only have 2 ppl and their 3rds can’t connect either

[grand mural]

Kinda, for casuals yeah it can be a lot especially if you can’t play on weekdays and or on a time limit. For a lot it’ll be easy to play like an hour or two a day but for people like me it’s hard to keep up.

[somber lodge]

Impossible to play casually solo

• the skill range of teammates is heavily variable, leading to frustration
• every other game players are running 20+ kills or dealing insane beam DMG, and I want to say these are cheaters.
  - BUT even if they aren't, maybe have a stronger MMS for quick play gamemodes.
• Nuke strat is ridiculous, it requires minimal risk and offers high rewards, even team wipes in an instant time to kill
• I don't know if this was an update or somehow i got used to it, but the cloak noises are more distinct which help, I do say it feels better
  - However I still believe the shotgun for the L class is being overused, it makes it hard to play as L since you can be one shot in a scenario involving close quarters (i.e. holding cashout inside a building)
• No one listens to in-game VC or has it on, leading to a lack of communication and losing in places where it could've been easily won. Suggest adding a text function (although I understand it would be difficult to implement if you were to have explicit censors as an option or requirement)
• Back on to the point of cheaters, PLEASE, strengthen your anticheat or blacklist the program most are using. I forgot the name but it's the program originally meant for those with disabilities if I'm not mistaken. It should be easy to find by looking at YT videos regarding cheating.
• Grapple on the light class is a little awkward. Most notable in the alleyways of Monaco. It leads to me getting stuck, or wasting a grabble in a clutch moment, leading to a loss.

This list and other issues shared by the community have made this game extremely hard for me to enjoy. The rage to happy ratio is through the roof with this game.

[red ermine]

Recon is the only major problem in my opinion.

[lapis pollen]

I still want the beta version of dagger

[plush cloak]

no i mean for example your fighting a light they have to come close and u die when u kill them that doesnt make sense

[devout venture]

will they ever do anything about the battlepass forcing you to play a certain way

[past flower]

But they areeeeeee

[rocky verge]

oh yeah

[wide aspen]

Recon should be removed

[uneven dagger]

Recon senses are kinda weak tbh, make it last longer

[grand mural]

Bro is greifing

[cobalt dome]

Yo listen up everyone. Petition to get food utensils 🥄 🍴 in the finals for the throwing knives

[past flower]

No one is answering... Please for the love of everything, how tf do I fix the system integrity, I've reinstalle dthe game multiple times, did a virus check, disabled and re-enabled the microsoft vulnerable driver blocklist thing. nothing is working and my game closes when I first load it after logging in, and whenever the game ends.

[spring hound]

It keeps happening to me too. It just started happening to me not even 40 minutes ago for the first time. I just updated windows 11 so maybe that's why?? I have 17 hours put into this and I want to play more. I've fully reinstalled the game. I have no viruses, I use malwarebytes to protect my system, I have fully updated drivers with my 3080. I am at a loss on what to do.

[glad delta]

honestly it keeps melee from being viable, esp as a light. Not to say light melee isn't viable, but that's like 5 mins that you can't play your chosen playstyle

[rocky verge]

add a delay to fix it

[uneven dagger]

Try disabling all overlays, MSI afterburner, nvidia, steam overlay, or pretty much any backround app like that, also this chat is on a long af timer lol

[languid ridge]

Pls remove or at least shorten invincibility after a revival, it’s rlly annoying and kinda pointless

[storm musk]

please fix the issue where voice chat quits working in the lobby

[sudden tangle]

BALANCE PATCH WHEN? FIX BORING META

[sonic spoke]

Ruined game for the entire group this was 3 min into the match 29 and 2. Embark name TOTALWEAPON#4204 Steam name Consbesivor1894.

[quick coyote]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3126170544

[zealous walrus]

There's a patch coming this upcoming week.

[wild shale]

The game needs an alt look where when u hold alt it lets u move ur head to the side while ur character continues running forwards

[grand mural]

We gotta fix matchmaking issues where it shadowbans you until you restart the game

[calm lily]

Current Major Problems (IMO):
-contestant profile can be bugged out, cant unequip charm/sticker
-game always kick you out one time in a match after a while after the game is first launched, then you never get kicked again
-dagger attack animation can just disappear when attacking, very annoying as you cannot tell if it can hit
-unnecessary unmentioned "nerf" to dagger's secondary attack, can't hold anymore
-cash box can be stuck and later disappear by throwing it down to the void that has goo wall that is attached to the building surface walls at the bottom
-underwhelming experience as light in ranked, not viable enough for a healthy use rate in high ranked, suggestion would be to prevent duplicate classes in ranked match if hard to balance (HML)
-unbalanced matchmaking, weird matchmaking logic that possibly puts solo-queue player with lowest ranked/new players if hidden rating is high
-solo-queue players having to fight against teams with communications
-nukes guaranteeing kills to any class with a huge aoe range
-weirdly unbalanced respawning locations
-cheaters
-no rewards to earn after finishing the battle pass and getting to max level (40)
-3000/3000 credits being useless after unlocking everything

repost for better reach

[feral osprey]

Please drop that in #👂┇game-feedback

[quick coyote]

I hate to be "that guy," but...

[feral osprey]

Oh jeez, I need more coffee 😄

I thought that it was a spawn point

nevermind then 👀

[daring fossil]

please do something about the dog shit interpolation settings. Dying behind cover, unable to hit revolver shots on people who are doing that stupid jiggle crouch spam crap, and getting killed from enemies facing the opposite direction is really extremely frustrating

[hollow shoal]

I do think ranked should be 1 of each class, the arguments against it are so dumb lol every other class/champion type game allows anything in casuals but ranked is one of each. It just makes sense from a competitive standpoint. If it was like that from the very first moment the game came out in alpha or beta nobody would ever be making the argument for it to not be locked in that way, people only fight against it cause they like cheesing with boring team comps

[astral jewel]

That getting killed from enemies facing the wrong direction thing is so annoying I agree. It's like they'll look like a sloth strafing sideways and all of a sudden you're dead. It's as if they farted you to death.

[grand mural]

They should add an ability for medium where you can set a spawn point down for when you use a token like that one field upgrade from cod

[lapis pollen]

secondary attack is the most problem of dagger

[crude brook]

here to keep on asking for explicit heterogeneous m-gpu for the physics. and to ask for the dagger to somehow feel better.

[dusk sequoia]

how do you fix the finals integra anti cheat failked
my friend cant play bc of ity

[undone belfry]

Yeah finally some pc dude with brain... I swear most of people here are so ... anyway you get it.

[crimson ravine]

Time between patches is way too slow to justify this. The ranked ladder doesn't have a metal distinction so top 500 play against first time bronzes and nukes meta has been going on since launch with 0 word from the devs on whether it will be addressed.
1 of each would need Role Queue or else people would just be pick first for their favorite contestant and the player who loaded last gets the contestant they're least proficient in which opens up either that player playing terribly or just outright throwing in a solo queue standpoint.
Arguably on top of they would have to develop Role Rank because is a Diamond Heavy the same profiency as a Diamond Medium? Probably? Probably not who knows. The elo system right now doesn't have that distinction just time played.
The game would also need way faster balance passes as Light gets hard countered by Medium Recon and RPG Heavy easily right now.
With how silent development is right now I wouldn't hold my breath they would want to add that much work to their plates.

[quick coyote]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3126170544

[hollow shoal]

Again, every other game does it. The only arguments you can possibly make against it are invalid cause other games literally do this exact thing already and it works. When you select a class on the main screen, it puts you as that class. So if I have my medium selected and queue into a match, it would go "oh this guy is medium, lets find a light and heavy" it really just isnt that complicated, in fact I would bet you they already have a system designed already for this exact thing and just have been unsure whether or not it is needed. The fact of the matter is this system ALSO is fantastic for slow patching games. It force balances a lot of the things people complain about daily. Nukes are much less difficult to play against when you can bait out a single one with counterplay, and then boom youre clear to push in. In the current meta, that team might have 3 heavies so ofc nukes feel impossible to play against, you have to bait out 3 nukes and 3 rpgs and thats from just 1 team. Same goes for recon. It FEELS overpowered rn cause you have 3 stacks running triple recon and they all have essenitally wallhacks up at all times, but when you limit it to a single person, you can now eliminate that person and not only do they have to chose between recon OR heals OR turret, but youre also taking out their 1 defib. The best way to balance something in a ranked environment is class restrictions. Theres a reason every single ranked mode in every game has different rules and restrictions, and this is why it should be used in the finals. The defib wouldnt be so ridiculous and cheesy if every team only has 1. The problem with balancing not being perfect under these rules is that if something in the current meta is overtuned, you REALLY notice it when an entire team can run it. Things become a lot more tame when we are all on a level playing field and the specialization you select has real impact cause you have to be impacted by the tradeoffs of not having the other options.

[gaunt frost]

its almost 3am brother

[viral fern]

5pm cob

[quick coyote]

Nuh uh, 2:30 am.

[oak rivet]

would like to have static crosshair the sway is immense but it's also misleading bullets always go thru the ccenter ppl can use inbuilt monitor crosshair to greatly benefit from this

[twilit lily]

I guess everyone just lives in the same area as you? I guess the whole world is just sitting at 3am right now, what is timezones?

[sour bane]

Anyone know which day we're expecting the patch this week?

[round goblet]

prob in 17-18th

[sonic carbon]

Would be nice to have a Network Ping meter.

[past bloom]

Hopefully they'll nerf/remove recon senses.

[tawdry light]

Hopefully they fix matchmaking and remove nukes

[gaunt frost]

I was just kidding lol

[autumn halo]

NERF INVIS SHOTGUN PLEASE THAT SHIT ANNOYING

[sleek meadow]

Wish we had more objectives, we are level 40…maxed out, maxed out the battle pass. Need more!! Any suggestions besides getting Diamond on ranked? Gaining XP for new reason at this point

[brave pollen]

Grind the weapon skins

[forest crown]

Mitt nummer blev stulet.,Fusket som öppnades av nummertjuven visar att jag inte öppnade fusket.,Jag fick tillbaka numret och blev bannad.,Vad menar du?,I KD-data, du kan kontrollera att det inte finns något onormalt.

[cinder frost]

This is exactly what i'm thinking , once you hit diamond theres nothing to do on the game

[chrome verge]

noticing that 80% of my games are the ones where i am the best player in the lobby and i get put next to the carpet lickers. carrying every once in a while can be fun but the fact that it's the majority of my games is not.

[wary sapphire]

when u reached lvl 25 u get sbmm @chrome verge

[manic aspen]

whats the point of alien invasion event other than causing major fps drops?

[cunning imp]

Hoping that keyboard and mouse support gets added for console? The balance is kinda unfair but I have no choice because all of my friends are on PC so I play with them and feel like I’m at a heavy disadvantage.

[distant quail]

^ would be really nice with MnK support for console.

[native portal]

day 17 of asking for rank based matchmaking for season 2

[sleek meadow]

@gottkilldemall I’ve done that, have everything I want maxed out with the purple skin. Yea it’s killing me, it’s a great game just reached my peak and now I’m getting bored. @cinder frost @brave pollen I maxed out all of the skins that I wanted purple and unlocked everything as well.

[livid bone]

nerf lewis gun

[rustic maple]

yeah matchmaking is abysmal

[steel tinsel]

In Xbox you can actually play with MnK but you can't change configurations bc is non existent in settings

[undone ore]

Survivability is what light lacks, I would gladly nerf cloak by 0.2 delay after decloaking, and buff light overall by 25 health increase and regen 20 hp for every 4 secs after you don't take dmg to make Hit and run worth it, like payday2 armor regen system

[green bison]

we should be able to buy things from packs individually without needing the buy the entire pack, like what they do in valorant for example, i guarentee a lot more people would end up spending money because of it

[dusty moth]

The OCE PlayStation ranked games. Can’t find one ever and tournaments have the same problem?

[drowsy sandal]

damn these cheaters are rampaging at asia server now

[proven raft]

I wish we could buy skins with in game credits. Finished battlepass and reached lvl 40 and I honestly have not much to look after

[steel tinsel]

Xbox is full of cheaters too..

[quick coyote]

Thank you very much for allowing Linux users to play the game, much love from the Linux community!!!

[tawny oak]

Nerf the Medium shotgun, the range is stupid, shouldnt deal big damage from far away and yet the light sawed off does 40% of the health in a close range up the asshole shotgun shot like come on man why these servers are so fucking shit

[cerulean dust]

I highly recommend nerfing the stun gun

[mortal vapor]

how can you cheat on xbox explain I want to know

[glad wigeon]

Storytelling I guess. The Finals is a “virtual reality” gameshow, and what is more exciting than an alien invasion? (from the point of the show’s viewers)

[verbal lintel]

and whats the point of the hanging ducks on monaco? 😄 😄

[steel tinsel]

There are devices you can attach to your controller that can read and mitigate recoil and smooth your aiming, recently I found players with literally "Hacker" on their names that wouldnt miss a shot even if you dash

[viscid spire]

Custom game matches and removing of Nukes is all I ask

[glad wigeon]

I wish I could figure an explanation for those haha. Maybe has something to do with the mascot (Nama Tama) being an egg? 🐣

[nocturne flare]

Text chat when? Please make lights 50 hp while you're at it.

[blissful furnace]

Not gonna lie, AKM takes 0 skill to use.

[fallow light]

the only map that needs a rework, imo, is the Las Vegas. The overall flow of the map needs improvements

[mortal vapor]

those have been around for years its a cronus max or whatever right I thought that only worked in cod

[astral seal]

please add text chat 🙏

[full thistle]

Please add this thing where when some random leaves you don't get negative points if you lose the 1st round. It will really help solo q or duo q players

[pseudo briar]

changing of skill in rank need to be allowed its doesnt help when i ply wif random and i cant change shit

[merry sparrow]

maybe fix the weapons animation with the heavy shield lol u are aiming without a weapon after bugging the Q

[feral canopy]

Snipers need a buff and the ability to one shot to the head. Either that or mediums should be given a sniper but with more damage, but slower ads speed that can get one shot headshots. Also can we get given the option to make changes to our crosshairs? I also think scoped weapons like the sniper should be given separate sensitivity values

[elder lily]

We need a battle royal mode I think it will be fun

[tall herald]

ok... so your report thingy needs a f**kin rework, it cant be that you wanna write a report and it deletes the report because in the background the game or the victory pose ends, you have to start 3 times to just write a report, even overwatch doesnt close the report or deletes it until you're finished and I like the finals way much more than overwatch
also: when is the ghub gonna get access to finals? i always forget to change my profile and it would be a huge benefit if ghub could change the profile as soon as i play the game

[edgy fulcrum]

https://i.imgur.com/7Kep8Ih.jpg Why am I, a Gold 3 player, in a Lobby with Top 100 players? What is the ranked matchmaking based on? Right now the system isn't very transparent, it's hard to find out what rank the lobby is at, and whenever I manually check people almost all the different ranks are present in lobbies together. Shouldn't Diamond players play against Diamond players and Gold players against Gold players?

Edit: I love the game and I think it shows a lot of promise to be a mainstream competitive shooter, but ranked feels arbitrary right now :(

[sour pike]

Is linux officially supported or what? Saw a youtube video saying that since there's no official announcement there is a chance that linux players could get banned (?) so I just want to confirm the possibility.

[limpid nimbus]

Invisibility could do with some tweaks:
5 second soft cooldown to toggle it back on after breaking stealth.
Kills instantly reduces its cooldown to 1.5 seconds and refills some of the stealth meter.
Standing still should drain less charge than when moving.
Stealth should have a reduced strength when in very close proximity to enemies, except when standing still.
Reloading would negate the bonuses of standing still while doing so.
Active stealth should give a proximity audio queue to enemies, but not directional, only in volume (indicating distance).

[cloud jungle]

Invisibility and Recon both need a rework.

Invisibility is useless versus people with good monitors and good eyesight and overpowered versus the opposite which is terrible from an accessibility standpoint.

Recon invalidates any strategy that isn't "push 3v3 and aim better" which kind of means that lights aren't viable.

[verbal sundial]

temporary ban leavers please

Or put them in a queue with other people who ragequit

Ruins the fun for everyone

[molten trail]

hopefully soon, no point in reworking something that shouldn't exist to begin with. Literally ruins the game.

[fallen reef]

are they gonna add kbm support and ibm on console soon?

[elfin swallow]

remove recoil patterns for controller. They’re designed for mouse and keyboard and don’t feel fun on a thumb stick imo. Just have vertical or diagonal recoil with slight rng

[undone belfry]

I mean if you die from a medium shotgun then you played just bad. I'm sorry to say that. The medium shotgun is only good against lights as it's 2 tap most of the time, but they are damn hard to hit because of the hitbox and how fast they are. Against medium it's a 2 tap if you hit all pellets, but mostly 3 taps and heavys it's 4+.

You have plenty time to get distance/evade, shoot back with fcar which will destroy every shotgun player or dodge with movement as they shoot slowly.

The medium shotgun is one of the most balanced guns in the game. Very high risk, medium reward, slowest reload time, slowest fire rate except sniper. The range isn't that great either. If you move a straight line ofcourse they gonna hit you, like everything else

[dusk forge]

if been waiting for an answer from the support team now for 13 days...how long is the normal respond time?

[quick coyote]

1 month

[pliant orbit]

Light build need more hp

[little sail]

fix defib hitboxes through bushes. you just cant defib at all when a trophy is in a bush. this bug has been in the game since betas and its wild its still a bug

[fallen reef]

the hp difference between classes is way too much, they should lower it so light would stay 150, med 200 and heavy 250

[sick ibex]

Haven't been doing anything not within game TOS, but for whatever reason anytime I finish a tournament game, the main menu screen suspends me from playing again for 20+ minutes - This has been an issue for me for days now, Help?

[foggy orbit]

Allow friendly smoke grenades to counter all forms of detection, from recon senses, tracking dart, sonar grenade, etc... this also gives light players a way for them to support their team.

[summer venture]

REMOVE NUKES YOU IDIOTS

[undone saffron]

Been a lot of discussion on this, seems as though they're not intending on adding it.

[cloud jungle]

Invisibility and Recon both need a rework or a replacement.

Invisibility is useless versus people with good monitors and good eyesight and overpowered versus the opposite which is terrible from an accessibility standpoint.

Recon invalidates any strategy that isn't just "push 3v3 and aim better". No flanking or picking off enemies, just straight 3v3 with everyone's positions known.

[merry creek]

Is there anyway to see figures on xbox player count since AA update? Game seems like it's dying and fast

[bleak ginkgo]

hello i have this launch error :"the program c0000034 encountered at 00001af6 during initialization, name of the object not found" if u know how tu fix it pls dm me

[flat shoal]

QP should have 2 teams or 4 teams with 2 boxes.
Most QP games last 10min+ because of constant 3rd partying

[marsh oriole]

R E M O V E N U K E A N D C H E A T E R S A N D R E C O N

[worldly fable]

Allow players to customize the colours of their clothes and accessories.

All clothes being always black/yellow is lame.

[mint jewel]

We need to remove Reserve

[woeful arch]

+1 a dedicated "Career" progression track tab would be greatly appreciated, with a view of which items have been unlocked already and will be unlocked next. The game's UI is amazing and minimalism is neat as long as players get enough information.

Other suggestion: when showing items for sale in the Shop, please indicate clearly which weapon the skins are for. I bought things in the past thinking my Light characters would be able to have a fancy looking weapon when the skins were only for the Medium character weapons. When you're a new player it sucks and feels like false advertising.

[quick coyote]

there are 12,000 results for the word “remove”. i dont think youre proving anything here

[slender mountain]

Add flags for cheaters, https://imgur.com/a/uqNpXnR this is an obvious cheater from ranked tournament

[gaunt perch]

please group us up with players of similar skill in solo queue

[little sail]

remove dead go boom from ranked please. theres no way u guys thought that would be a good event for competitive play

[cloud jungle]

Or rework it to only do minimal/no damage to players and instead focused on environmental damage

[tranquil moat]

i think it had something to do with windows defender firewall, there was a box that was unchecked, since i changed that i haven't had any problems yet

[blissful bridge]

Recon doesn't need removed or nerfed. It works as intended. There's even an audio cue so you know when someone is using it.

The whole point of The Finals gameplay would be over the top moments with powerful equipment.

I'm happy to play a game where the gadgets don't debilitate you in some way.

What's the point of recon if you're seen while using it?

What's the point of invisibility if you're seen while using it?

What's the point of a RPG if it doesn't explode your opponent?

What's the point of gadgets if they're going to be weak?

I'm tired of games that have weak weapons and equipment.

I'm super grateful to Embark for making the equipment actually powerful.

I hope they stay true to the original gameplay as they balance out the game.

[burnt lark]

this game is really fun and addicting but after a while the balancing makes it hard to want to play. super addicting at first though. i put like 100 hours in already, its like im chasing that feeling of playing dirty bomb or early overwatch but it cant quit scratch that itch.

[mint jewel]

If you say you're grateful devs make the equipment power full then There's no use to have Primary. let these poor bastards fight with bare hands instead

Like DMA is a thing right? And I saw people with 100% probability of hacking not been bans from battlefield since forever! Like why bother fighting cheaters anyway in the first place?

And when accessibility software get exploited by these cheater and devs cant do anything about it, then just stop playing all together, its not like 1 or 2 people quiting the damn game will result in anything right? They still have money coming over from people who willing to play anyway

And now Embark is on NEXON hands (literally Asian EA games, I have so many bad memory on, like everyone here in Asia in general had problem with this publisher), I have so little hope these cheating things will resolved like, ever

[queen harbor]

RPG exploding is fine, its the 150 damage that's the problem

[vague sigil]

i heard this was gonna change from the beta but seriously the RED MENU is so rough to look at.

[robust ingot]

I can unequip the charm from my 357 but it re-equips on its own

[carmine spindle]

how to fix tfla0002?

[royal cosmos]

Requirements for ranked should be changed to rounds of tournament specifically. It feels like some players just don't understand the format at all

[keen steppe]

Light:
Should get faster regenration out of combat to improve their harass-playstyle.

Someone else mentioned a stimshot item which could also work out instead of changing the regen timer. Maybe even make it so you can choose to give that stim to a teammate instead of using it only on yourself.

The sniper could use some love aswell. Not too sure about in what way tho, since that could easily make it too strong. Some experimentation with firerate might be a good first step imo.

M11 is in a weird spot too, it technically is slightly stronger than the xp-45 up close but overall still significantly worse. Maybe enhance the close-range capabilities even more so there is a clear difference between the two.

Sword should be able to hit multiple opponents with the charge attack. (The reverse of heavies hammer)

Medium:
After getting resurrected by defib you should not have invulnerability.

If you get defibbed as a medium you should have your own defib go on cooldown to prevent chain defibs.
OR
Make it so defib isnt instant but just significantly shortens the regular revive-time. Like a sped up version of the normal revive where youd have to keep facing the downed-player trophy.

In addition a reduced effect for multiple healing beams on the same target would be good aswell. One beam heals for 100%, two beams would heal for more than 100% but less than 200%.

A change for recon sense also wouldnt hurt. Maybe make it so it functions similar to thermal vision of light. Where you have to pull out a tablet to activate it and it stays activated for a set amount of time and goes on cooldown afterwards. Also make it pulse every 5 seconds instead of a continuous vision. Each pulse would outline enemies for 1.5 seconds.

Heavy:
Hammer horizontal swings should be able to hit multiple opponents. (The reverse of lights sword)

Performance:
Some performance and optimization improvements are very needed aswell.

Melee AA should be toggleable.

[obsidian solar]

BUFF THE RIOT SHIELD:
Here's some suggestions, I know all of these together would make the shield pretty strong but even 1 or 2 would be enough to improve it so much!:
-While blocking movement speed should be the same as walking (increasing block movement speed would help a lot in pushing and giving your teammates support)
-Lunge distance (90% of the fight become a chase you can't win, the other classes have ways to block enemies, slow them down or catch up to them, even heavies have RPG to finish people off if they use sledge)
-Add a slow down effect after being hit by the shield, nothing too crazy just a small reduction to movement speed and the effect should only last 500ms max (Same reason as above, medium lack ways to finish people off or catch up to them, this would prevent infinite chases, also this slow down would only work on medium and heavies, light can still run away)
-Increase damage from 84 to 90 (to kill heavies in 4 hits instead of 5)
-Add a charge like attack, to activate it press the attack button while blocking kinda like charge N slam, of course less powerful and without the destruction effect, it would add variety, also all the other melee weapons have two attacks)

[molten trail]

I could write a book about why recon sense is bad for a game like this. But 99% of the community is in consensus so there's no reason to. The only people who think it isn't op either abuse it with their friends or haven't played enough high mmr games

[gray bridge]

Excuse me

[modern vortex]

Can we get KBM support on console? Yes it works but with no settings is a little annoying

[quick coyote]

the first red flag here is thinking that high mmr games exist; anyone who’s logged hours knows the sbmm is broken and ranked doesnt place you with your metal.

let me ask you something instead of arguing: where does the “doesnt belong in the game” end? is invisibility too powerful? goo gun since it freezes enemies indefinitely? glitch grenade since it locks down kits? do you have a vision for the balance of this game, or are you saying to remove something without considering the impact it will have on meta?

[gaunt perch]

just delete stun gun, it is a disgusting no skill item

[dusky night]

a lot of hacker lobbies today

[woeful arch]

Oh nice, that's a neat idea! That'd give a bit of depth to the Sponsors lore too. We'd buy the cosmetics with VR or?

[jagged ocean]

Would love still more bodyshapes for heavy and medium and light, and please make more stuff feminine, imo the medium class looks almost same as male for some cosmetics, game feels a lot focused on masculine stuff tbh

[hard mesa]

97% of players likely have no idea anything was even changed

[orchid abyss]

i love the charge attack idea instead of movement speed increase, a single directional charge with a loading bar should be enough. Also, the slow down should be the same as the one ligths do when they hit you with a sword. I would love to see these 2 suggestions implemented because i often find myself chasing players i will never reach unless they playing heavy and sometimes im just a burden for my team if i cannot finish off kills. Also, the time to toggle my block after attacking someone is wayyyy too long.. can we decrease it?? at least .5s nothing crazy

[livid oasis]

I definitely think players who played the game pre AA patch know something has changed, while playing against other ps5 users it’s gotten a lot easier considering nobody can hit their shots anymore. I’m not saying the aim assist didn’t need to be fixed but in its current state it feels like it’s not even there. Maybe there should be a system to where it’s enabled if console players have cross play OFF and then once you play with PC it gets disabled. Because as I mentioned rn it really does feel like it’s not even there and when I play with my friends on PC I get beamed from across the universe and or have the movement king light build harassing me and I can barely hit a shot on them. My aim could definitely use some work but in my opinion AA didn’t need to be changed especially with PC being so precise with MNK and on top of that the better/ faster movement with flicks.

[merry creek]

Hmm not so sure but either way would love some tangible data to clarify it

[dusky night]

is the anti cheat not working today? It feels like im getting at least 1 cheating team in every ranked tournament today.

[quick coyote]

Do you hear it 200m away? When you spawn and get tracked all the way to the objective? When you're in the middle of a fight? Anytime you're not literally right beside the medium? No.

It's an overpowered item acting like an ESP. It's a fine item but it's way too strong in it's current state. You might as well just use a wallhack and have it equipped, people won't be able to tell the difference.

[merry creek]

The range on it could defo do coming down a bit but it ain't that bad...well didn't use to be when gun fights were more equal... now they prefire head shots before you even know they are coming

[surreal lintel]

anybody know how to fix TFLA0002？

[hasty eagle]

can we have a limit on the classes per match please, Ive got 3 matches now where there is 5-6 enemy light classes
I win because I main heavy but its just annoying having the same classes to go against, i want some variety

[pastel bay]

Ive been using it and it really does. When used right you could easily predict where opponents (who are 200+ meters away) are going and fighting. They should make it pulse, like a pulse that shows the position of people then fades away into another pulse. Almost like a radar in 3D.

[molten trail]

Recon sense is essentially a "tap Q for wallhack" feature and takes strategy out of the game. It has no interesting gimmick to it like sonar grenade, motion sensor, tracking dart, thermal vision, etc. It allows you to see everyone across the map even if they're 10 buildings away sitting in a corner. This inherently renders directional audio pointless, takes away the element of surprise, and you're always at a disadvantage if you're going against a team with recon. In a team game, especially one where anyone can spawn anywhere at any time, information is invaluable. If the enemy team always knows where you are, how is this fun? Should you not be rewarded for playing carefully and quietly, for walking instead of running? How do you expect to win against a premade team if they always know where you are, when they all run out of a corner prefiring you and prenading you, especially if your team has no recon?

Goo gun literally just shoots goo and is janky, almost no one uses it. Invisibility doesn't benefit teammates unlike recon and almost no one plays light in high ranked games. If it was as op as you make it sound, then you'd see more people running these setups. But pretty much everyone at top of the leaderboards is playing premades with recon sense. And I'm sure if the devs look at the data, they'd see this too, so your argument is terrible.

Also, as I've ranked up, I've progressively been going against more skilled players each time, so clearly there is some mmr system in place. As I understand it, you get placed against players of your skill, not your "rank", meaning there still is an underlying mmr system in place. I've only been going against top 10k players lately and every sweaty team with ttv in their name always has recon sense on their team for a reason, which means it's clearly unbalanced compared to other class specializations and gadgets in the game, if it's being picked that much

[hard mesa]

Goo gun would have more utility if there weren't as many traversal items in the map (jump pads, ziplines, etc). I'd like for the Goo gun to function like the Gloo gun in Prey, and if you hit an enemy enough with it, it freezes them for a short period (where they can easily get killed)

[fading yoke]

Nerf recon sense, should reduce the range or make it like a pulse like sonar nade is. It's stupid and just dumbs down the game right now. Also lights need buff somewhere, either just buff their HP as I'm having real hard time even surviving in ranked more than one nanosecond because FCAR beams you across the map (ever wonder why everybody is running invis? :D) and there's so much AoE spam like nukes and nades so you just can't survive there at all. Point is to be glass cannon but now it feels like anyone breathes at your direction and you're instantly dead. Maybe make it so that lights HP regen start earlier, that could also work. Right now there's zero reason to run any light class ever in ranked because they get deleted by absolutely everyone and everything.

[gaunt perch]

As a fellow riot shield main finding a lot of success with a riot shield support build in gold ranked, let me share my thoughts on this

• While blocking movement speed should be the same as walking
  You can sprint at full speed and keep the shield on your left side and it blocks stuff. This tech is solely what makes riot shield viable, useless otherwise. You must use it this way to understand why the riot shield is balanced the way it is currently

• [increased] Lunge distance
  It already lunges a little bit, but I prefer the charge ability you came up with instead, more balanced

• Add a slow down effect after being hit by the shield
  Extremely OP, please no

• Increase damage from 84 to 90
  The main benefit of riot is that you mitigate damage, you're not supposed to delete heavies with ease. But you can still kill in 4, combine a quick melee after the 4th swing if you want to do a final bit of 40 damage

• Add a charge like attack, to activate it press the attack button while blocking
  This is great. Don't increase the lunge distance, just do this with a cooldown. The shield brace is currently useless because you move so slow, but having something small you can do with it to quickly close the gap and deal a bit of damage would be quite nice. Could also use to quickly dash to cover. Alternatively, it could turn the riot shield into a snowboard and you can slide quickly on flat or sloped surfaces lol

[wanton dove]

🔸 Nerf RPG Player Damage
🔸 Nerf C4 Player Damage
🔸 Nerf Recon Sight
🔸 Nerf Mesh Shield
🔸 Remove stupid events like "Dead Go Boom" & "Low Gravity"
🔸 Improve Goo Gun usability
🔸 Light class is just fine. No need for changes.
🔸 Somerounds (usually on Final match) there are no barrels in Skyway map. Fix it.

The Finals is **75th **on Twitch Games Page on weekend prime time. That's terrible.
Spend some cash to marketing.

[sudden tangle]

Exactly this, recon is way too strong atm and needs to actually be reworked because a straight up wallhack has no place in an fps.

M in general is extremely strong atm. Their dmg output with good aim is superb, and defibs have instant rez, which also almost completely invalidates deaths if it's not on cd.

Just play stacked head glitching on a roof on an aps and beam behind H shield, when the people you see across the map (wallhacks) come closer your heavy tries to oneshot them with nukes and rpgs, if not then back to shielding (very engaging gameplay for the heavy btw!!!). If one of you makes a mistake and head glitches for a bit too long, just instantly rez them no problem, mistakes like that don't matter, the only way to effectively wipe this is to full commit to a coordinated engage, during which the attacker has disadvantage, or to oneshot them with a nuke. Dumbass design, dumbass gameplay.

[jovial bluff]

make kbm compatible with ps5 it’s compatible with xbox but not ps5

[tight rampart]

correct the sticker on M11. It is in the air.

[merry creek]

Yeah and rife with cheaters as a result

[dusky night]

4 tournament with cheater streak

[glass oriole]

We need team deathmatch gamemode or 5v5 or maybe deathmatch ffa

[foggy flower]

games probably dead in the next 2 months anyways

[tacit dome]

Agreed! No shame in making characters more feminine or masculine, body shapes from developer's POV is def a lenghtier process cuz they gotta reshape clothes to new model but at least making more clothes will improve upon the existing ones

[dawn zephyr]

Me and 2 friends were playing ranked tourney, one of them got kicked 2nd knockout round and banned because of it, which she should not be since she didnt leave. You should always be able to rejoin, and if you do it shouldnt count as leaving.

Anyways me and the one friend then go on to win every round up to the finals, being a 3v2 it was impossible of course but we were honestly close and couldve had a nice win if the game didnt unfairly ban our last friend.

This is honestly so stupid, its an unstable game that crashes often and you should ALWAYS be able to rejoin in a match you already played in. If my friend has to get banned atleast let us finish the tournament

[molten trail]

yep it's beyond cringe, this game has plenty of issues but free wallhacks is at the top of the list and it's worse than invis or nukes or stun gun or whatever else ppl are complaining about, completely makes the game unfun and makes it super hard as a solo player w/o recon or comms. I and many other players will quit if recon is not removed or heavily nerfed soon, so the next patch will ultimately be the deciding factor for the future of this game imo, because if nothing is done about it, then everyone will get bored of the same meta, even the people who like it and abuse it because it'll be reduced to the strats you just mentioned

[jagged ocean]

Thank u <3!!

[undone wyvern]

Can someone help me i have an i9 11900k and RTX 3090 and my cpu is at 90% usage ? even capt my game at 144FPS but no improvement

[quick coyote]

have you decreased graphics settings?
are you running other programs in the background that could be spiking the CPU (EG browser with several tabs)?

[obsidian solar]

I know all the tricks you mentioned and use them, however there's a difference between sprinting and being covered while moving, the sprinting tech is an offensive one the block movement is a more tactical thing to put pressure more than anything considering people can run.
About the lunge or the slow down, only 1 of the 2 is enough both would be op i agree.
4 hits against heavies is just a consistency issue, considering light is 2, medium is 3, 4 hits heavies would be logical, i know about the quick melee thing however idk about PC but on console It can throw you off considering you melee with the aim stick.
I'm glad you like the idea of the charge!
This are suggestions i made after basically playing shield only since the game came out (i legit did one akm match, unlocked the shield and ONLY used that up to this point)

[pliant orbit]

Exqueeze me

[autumn dagger]

We need a ban wave ASAP!

[urban cloak]

nerf the nuke, so many unskilled heavy users getting easy kills

[quick coyote]

you can explain what recon does, say that people use it, and claim its bad; that doesnt prove it needs to be removed

[molten trail]

i've given you 20 reasons as to why recon sense ruins the game and competitive play in general, which is more than a mere description of it. why don't you make an argument as to why what is essentially a free wallhack feature should be part a game, especially given the dozen of counter arguments you've received that you've yet to respond to?

"people use it" - yes, except you conveniently left out the part where i said most people on the leaderboards use it for a reason, because it's overpowered, otherwise top players wouldn't use it. No one wants recon except the 0.1% of the community that exploits it or hasn't played enough against it, end of story, let me know when you have an actual argument other than dumbing down everything i said in a dishonest way.

[tacit dome]

They most likely will, probably just limit the C4 from 2 to 1, perhaps increase area of destruction? let em cook

[autumn widget]

Dream Specialzation balance:
Light:
Cloak)Full meter charge decreased from 15s to 12s, when decloaking you can't shoot, use gadgets for 2-2.5 seconds
Dash)gonna be completely honest idk what kind of suggestion this thing needs
Grapple)Cooldown will be based off of how far you travel Minimum cool will be 7 seconds and the longest will be 35 seconds (Idea stolen from pathfinder grapple from apex legends)
Medium:
Recon Sense)Works like sonar grenade but pings people every 3 seconds, has 2 charges
Turret)Decreased damage(Idk how much it does per shot)
Healing beam)Healing speed for each class is different heavy being the slowest, light being the fastest
Heavy:
not much problem here tbh but the mesh shield hp could be decreased to 800, the goo gun should not trap people, charge should get a damage reduction when the player is being shot if it is active

[dusky night]

5 tournaments with cheaters in them streak

[cloud jungle]

Recon in its current state means that any strategy that isn't just "push 3v3 and aim better" is pointless.
No flanking or picking off enemies, just straight 3v3 with everyone's positions known.

It doesn't need a nerf, it needs a complete rework or a replacement.

@turbid dragon edit because slowmode.
The game should obviously be balanced assuming equal skill for all players.

Or are you okay with the top ranks being filled with 3 stack recons?

[ebon peak]

Mnk support on Ps5 please 🙏

[uneven nova]

aimbot for mnk on pc please 🙏

[coral nebula]

Middle East servers asap

[thick fulcrum]

i love running into xim players in half of my ranked games 😃

[turbid dragon]

Thats a huge exaggeration and you know it. youre talking like every game youre going against 3 stacks of mediums all with recon and fully communicating with eachother

[gray bridge]

Fr

[molten trail]

You can't flank teams that have it, you can't surprise attack them or sneak up on them, you can't hide in corners, and you don't get rewarded for playing quietly and making less noise. These are all essential elements of every FPS game in general, yet recon invalidates all of them.

The enemy team always knows where you spawn, where you're heading, whether you have a medium / heavy / light, whether your heavy is carrying a nuke, what team color you're on, whether you're reviving a teammate or not. The enemy team gets infinite information. They are omniscient and know where to aim and prefire before they run out of corners, where to prenade, where to setup mines, where and how to position themselves constantly.

You're across the map? No problem, all suspense is removed from the enemy's gameplay, they can just sit or go afk or troll and jump around in circles. They don't have to worry about you jumping in through a window. They don't have to have careful crosshair placement or look around when crossing the map. You're attacking A? Well no problem, they'll go B since it's free, because they could tap Q to see everyone's positioning in the game across the entire map through 30 buildings and 300 walls and see that everyone else is across the map.

And people here are going to compare it to goo gun that just shoots goo and temporarily blocks doors or gets someone stuck in place for half a second. Bizarre. Even nukes have 10 counters / things wrong with them, recon has no counter. It should be removed or nerfed to the point where it's on par with motion sensor or sonar grenade. Then it'll be fair.

[true roost]

3 stack meta is also a result of how strong shields and defib is

[smoky storm]

All gun sight sway removed during ADS,stay centered on screen,ironsights included

Healing beam is interrupted for 1/4-1/3 second if target takes bullet dmg.help prevent mercy healbotting cosplay.environmental/gas/fire dmg does not trigger cd

Remove/nerf Recon: #👂┇game-feedback message
nerf/rework defib:#👂┇game-feedback message

Glitch nade explodes on impact with shield, player, or equipment.otherwise regular fuse

double barrel shotty nerf

1.5-2x Dash range
2 charges of grapple hook

Gadget/C4/RPG Nerf:#👂┇game-feedback message

Option for "sprint always enabled" / auto sprint, or sprint/sliding interaction reworked(Please see this video, where it is described in detail https://youtu.be/tdOKEgrwZHc). Currently movement is pretty good, but also a bit awkward from a control perspective due to how sprint and slide interact. It could be massively improved via updated controls.

Option for more neutral background colors, too vibrant, causes eyestrain.

option for dark flashbang

Please give alternate team colors, colors are hard to distinguish

Allow for separate Jump/Vault keybinds on MNK

Allow access to the keybinds config file for improved keybind options

Using scroll wheel for jump/vault causes inconsistency, please fix/address

Improve subregion matchmaking(always low ping)

built in performance and network indicators FPS, ping, packet loss

Input based matchmaking: #👂┇game-feedback message

solo ranked queue w/ forced 1L1M1H team and role queue(separate ladder to current ranked)

In ranked mode, all teams start with 10k, instead of 0(more stakes when fighting early)

Option to disable TAA and all anti-aliasing(I beg!)

Reduce gas and dust particle opacity

ladders do not autoclimb,require pressing "use" key

[steady sierra]

diod the allow EAC for linux yet?

[bright pewter]

Will EAC be enabled for linux?

[radiant slate]

yep

[serene nova]

😂

[valid night]

LH1 roll back to OB version or buff it's damage to 50 plz

[twin tiger]

M - Recon Sense should be limited to 1/team max

H - Dmg shouldn't accumulate as it does now for C4 nukes, less dmg for each C4 and C4's own dmg working when attached to something you can carry. this is a hard one. I don't want creativity to be penalized. But as it is now it's broken and un-intended. Perfect example to why we can't have nice things....

L - More drain/longer cool down for cloak.

[livid oasis]

I definitely think something needs to be done about recon in RANKED only in its current state recon isn’t that crazy, In casual I’d say leave it as is however maybe make a sort of system where only 1-2 people can use it on a team but that should be for all specializations in general. But in ranked maybe switch the way it works or disable it completely.

I feel like a lot of the recon hate comes from people who enjoy playing ranked, for casuals it’s not that big of a deal honestly the game is a fast paced rush and die type of game recon fits that style plus it takes away medium from being a support and more of a solo type build. I would prefer 3 recon over a team of 3 turrets or 3 healing beams and defibs just consistently healing each other.

[dawn grove]

Having the set keybind for Enter coin to Respawn* to match the on screen message would be nice, I use enter for mine personally and seeing Space Bar to respawn can be conflicting in heated moments.

[radiant slate]

It is already running, check on protondb site

[bright pewter]

Got my hopes up for a second but its not running, sad

[mental mirage]

As a casual player I can absolutely say recon senses ruins the fun of playing a stealthy or cautious build and should just be reworked in general, not just for ranked. Past 11pm the lobbies are filled with ttv's who sit on a roof with FCAR and recon senses getting 24 kills and depositing zero cash

[molten trail]

yep same in my ranked platinum/diamond matches, full medium lobbies with ttv in their name running multiple recons with full comms. can't do anything about it, you're almost always guaranteed to lose unless you get lucky or have a solid premade also using recon and comms. they all go 20-0 against randoms. At least if recon wasn't part of the game, you'd have a chance and could pick them off one by one and flank them, even if they were tryharding and sweaty

[gleaming frost]

https://tenor.com/view/true-truth-100-cap-no-gif-21480813

[livid oasis]

Unfortunately you’re just gonna get assholes that play like that I really feel like recon is just fine it’s crazy to be able to see through walls but it fits the mediums play style as I mentioned it takes away their support which I think is an equal trade off. Not every game is gonna be fun but that’s just the nature of any game.

As I mentioned when u take away a teams support in turn for something that supports only themselves it can definitely take a toll on the team. I do think it is unintentional how far it can scan however I saw that it said decreases with range and the first time I used it I could see across the map I think THAT needs to be fixed but everything else about it I think is fine you take the teams support away.

[valid night]

if they gonna buff the damage to 50 nerf the head shot multiplier to 1.96x so it will not 1 headshot 1 body kill light

[hollow shoal]

I think an easy fix for recon is simply make it a "use" ability with a cooldown rather than a toggle. just make it so you use it, it shows you people for X amount of time, and then you gotta wait 30 seconds to pop it again. the issue is you can currently have it up for just about the entire match and thats absurd lol let alone if you have 2 recons on your team, you have no downtime at all essentially and always know where everyone is

[mint whale]

Minor Bug, if you sit out the final match trolling the enemy after cashing the first 10k and letting the enemy capture in the second after sitting out the entire match, you get knocked out despite cashing out first

[smoky storm]

fck no bro, recon is easily the most broken ability in FPS gaming history. Literally nothing released in any FPS prior even comes close to the value that recon gives.

There's a reason wallhacks/esp are so popular among cheaters, because aside from rage aimbot, it's the cheat that gives the single biggest advantage over anything else, even soft aimbots(aka the try to hide it guys).

It scales on the player skill, the higher the player's gun skill the more value they get out of it, so higher MMR lobbies are just horrible because of it. As someone with really solid aim, I've gone 25-0 in ranked lobbies abusing recon. Having that much information is just absurd and completely bypasses the need for game sense and critical thinking

[mental mirage]

The way I see it the recon senses already say on the description that the strength decreases with distance but I can see perfect outlines across the map. That seems unintentional or at the very least an oversight. They already have code to make it blurrier in some instances that seems to just stop working passed like 50m. You should see vague blobs past 20m or 30m IMO and it ahould be movement based. Stationary = near invisible on it so there is at least "counterplay". In its current state there is no counterplay to literal wall hacks. @smoky storm is right, its too much info, people pay money for cheats as effective as the recon senses lol

[molten trail]

even if u just saw a weird vague blob across the map, its too much info and tells u where the enemy spawned

[scarlet grove]

stun gun needs nerf

[bleak coral]

"Literally nothing released in any FPS prior even comes close to the value that recon gives. "

see blacklight retribution (RIP) lol

[marsh oriole]

R E M O V E N U K E S A N D C H E A T E R S A N D R E C O N

[polar pulsar]

guys i want a help when i lunch the game it shows for me (connection failed your login attempt failed,please try again) TFLA0002 any help?

[cloud jungle]

If they want recon to be used for rotations and macro gameplay, it should be a single pulse mapwide sonar grenade.

Just reveals each player once for like 1-2 seconds and lets them know they've been detected. And a long-ish cooldown, like a minute or so.

I'd personally love to see it removed completely, but if they want to keep it it needs a full rework.

[undone cobalt]

Hit reg fix please :)

[queen rover]

Waiting weeks for balance changes is awesome

[radiant slate]

I just joined a game using Gentoo Linux, check protondb site

[bright pewter]

Oh right interesting. I'm unable to on steamdeck but maybe I just need to do some digging then

[hardy crown]

Hi guys i need help, My contestants is not loading and I can't join a game and all contestants are gone from the loadout list. and when i click contestants its just only "urban set description". "I contacted support but they didn't said anything. anyone knows how to fix this? i bought battlepass so i dont want to delete my profile

[dense marlin]

Please change how deadzone works on controller I need my zero deadzone man 😭😭😭

[hasty eagle]

light class db is ruthless, paired with invis and its a guaranteed kill most of the time
i feel like its gonna be nerfed soon

[jade void]

we need team deathmatch!! (5vs5 or smth)

[quick coyote]

don't tag the team like that, check the pinned messages in #💥┇spawn-point

[primal geyser]

fr tdm capture the flag snd mabye even a battle royal ion think id play other games

[half pagoda]

yes!

[little lotus]

That would be so nice

[fiery moat]

SuitedCash#0386 SurrealScore#0366 QuirkyHabit#2423 team cheter ranked easyyyy

[molten trail]

make it a recon bow so u can shoot it thru windows and it pulses enemies within the room or building, problem solved, requires skill too and doesnt work across the map

[burnt lark]

recon is pretty bad for the game imo, a lot of the fun is the countless angles and how anyone can come from basically anywhere. give someone toggle wallhacks for infinite info and it ruins that entirely.

[junior badge]

make it so that sniper doesnt hitmark every class

[glass fjord]

Waiting a week for an ai generated weapon skin that took 4 minutes to make + a weapon skin that recycles in game textures and also took 4 minutes to make is wack af. Also the current shop release approach encourages players to not buy anything at all until the end of the season aside from the battlepass.

[smoky gust]

Why make a bow?
We already have the dart gun and from what i know its pretty underwhelming (as seen by how few use it)
Just change it to do this
Less work + 1 less underwhelming item

[molten trail]

doesnt have to be a bow, just anything, but if it was up 2 me id just remove recon and add something else entirely that isn't some bizarre wallhack

[distant sluice]

well if you can’t beat em, join em, was tired of getting nuked by heavies every other encounter, so i thought well i’ll give heavy a try. i barely have to try and i can easily drop 20-30 kills every single game. definitely not a broken and abused tech

[quick coyote]

EAC chef's kiss

[pulsar drift]

Nerf to what? You can literally hip fire most weapons and kill the guy who stunned you. It has a long enough cool down to only be used once per fight, and even if you die your medium can defib you back.

[undone belfry]

Omg embark enabled crossplay System wide just now! Since 3 games I only see pc players and im on xbox, this was never the case before!!! No single xbox player!, embark wtf. Now console is officially dead. Crossplay off takes ages to find a game...

And for the ones saying crossplay was always like that, no it wasnt. I never saw a pc player. Never ever in my 300+ matches. Only xim Users. But never a true pc player

[lapis island]

Dawg it's a Monday. All the xbox kiddies are at school, the game isn't dead. 😂

[latent mauve]

Hi

[dawn grove]

welcome on in @latent mauve

[quick coyote]

The Finals needs:

• Ability to see who is in lobby and who is in game. So you know when to actually invite somebody. No way to tell now.
• A simple text chat function in lobby.
• More game modes
• More / other weapon options for Heavy (or fix the m60)

[silver gyro]

Its a national holiday

[quick coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/eac-gif-25601190

[dusk forge]

matchmaking would need a revisit very urgently. The match combinations are sometimes unbearable...and with sometimes i mean maybe 25% of my matches

[smoky storm]

I'd love to be able to text chat w/ people in friends list.. so many people add me, and I can't even ask them why 😦

Do they wanna be friends? Do they wanna trash talk? I wish I knew

[night mulch]

this skin when?

[latent garnet]

new anti cheat when?

[cold prawn]

new crosshair styles when

[unkempt basalt]

Make the mf train less buggy please 😭

[lapis island]

It's unfortunately not a National Holiday.

Here is a link that tells you what the difference is:
https://www.bamboohr.com/resources/hr-glossary/federal-holidays#:~:text=National holidays and public holidays,giving employees the day off.

[junior badge]

custom games for 1v1s

[thin nebula]

Hi,
I used to play your game "THE FINALS" via Steam account, but unfortunately I am facing an problem that is "TFLA0002 error".
I have tried all the steps that are recommended and linked account with Embark long ago but still I am facing same issue.
I tried to start the game with other steam account apart from my main account and it worked.
Kindly give needful solution for this issue that I am facing on my main account (steam).
My Embark ID :- n1x0nFTW#8921

[unborn dagger]

same issue...can't play.

[brazen lotus]

cant connect aswell, my friends could tho..💀

[timber summit]

I'm having the same issue

[coarse moat]

Same

[quick coyote]

Remove las vegas holy shit

Stop acting nuke bots y'all suck

[sonic spoke]

Hacking/ insta kill with aimbot+no recoil is dramatically increased starting midnight EST

[fleet barn]

does anybody have a fix to the bug where you cant change your gun skin after youve equipped one?

[boreal lynx]

hello guys
pls smdy can help me with tfla0002 problem ?

[silver gyro]

Federal holiday, a " national day of service"

[lapis island]

"federal government recognizes each year during which** non-essential government agencies close**"

National -> "they are days established by law for the entire country as non-working days"

[amber wagon]

fix error code tfla0002

[broken lake]

please let us hold dagger backstab again

[finite wind]

Recon is bad for the gameplay, you should remove it and give to the medium a new ability.
Wallhack is always bad in FPS games...

[bitter elm]

If you're gonna disable the game in vitual machines, then at least let anti-cheat run in proton. It's so easy to let Linux users play, yet you can't be bothered to enabled it for them while explicitly cutting off the possibility of bypassing it with a virtual machine? Why does there seem to be so much effort into making it unplayable to a large market of players?

[thin nebula]

Guys Found Solution :- Just change Steam name and its woking

[boreal basalt]

Спасибо тебе, очень выручил. Неожидал, что решение такое простое ♥

[sonic spoke]

Many have posted. Need to delete Character and remake

[alpine jungle]

I would not be giving this feedback if the Finals did not have the playercount for this idea. There is near 90k players playing the Finals currently the steam charts show which does not include console players so the playercount of The Finals is much more larger. In this game and in other FPS games it has always been broken matchmaking. Ppl solo into a match and then get a non communicating bronze team member and complain of their bronze team member going 0-11 in ranked vs the other 3 teams that are in discord with full callouts etc team strats and all ... I believe this is what breaks matchmaking in most games honestly... Its not the skill level of a player its the simple fact matchmaking matches solo queued players up against full stacked teams that are partied with eachother making callouts and all.

My suggestion: Ranked play solo Q playlist for players who are solo. Matching solo Q players vs other solo Q players making matchmaking balanced at true ranked based matchmaking.

Ranked play teams playlist aka scrim playlist for those who are partied up. This would match full parties vs full parties. Making this level of ranked here imo much more competitive how? Its scrims. You are going against other full teams that since partied up will most likely have team callouts and strats etc. This would make things much much more competitive and give a true rewarding ranked. Its not much rewarding and im sure boring when ranked diamond level stacks are going against bronze solo Q players.

Conclusion: I understand this would make longer queue time to find matches or who knows maybe it will not. But I believe matchmaking should be enjoyable to all and fair and balanced when it comes to a thing like ranked play. I understand one can join a discord and find a squad but one should not have to do that. I watched in happen in many games its a ongoing thing where ranked play is ruined by stacked teams vs solo Q players.

[soft carbon]

I can’t tell when somebody I joined on are in a game can you fix that?

[lapis island]

#lfg-na-casual #lfg-eu-casual #lfg-asia-casual #lfg-oce-casual #lfg-sa-casual Problem solved!

"I understand one can join a discord and find a squad but one should not have to do that."

If you don't want to put in any effort into winning, then don't complain.. lose in silence. 😂

[boreal lynx]

короче если у вас ник на русском , надо махнуть на инглиш

[storm siren]

It one shots lights

[molten trail]

agreed, you should not be going against full stack teams with voice chat as a solo queue player. it's a terrible experience and terrible from a design standpoint. Of course it encourages faster queues, but if i'm always going against premades as a solo player, i'm just going to end up uninstalling because the game isn't fun because everyone else is in some pro tryhard team and i'm not

[quick coyote]

Im happy that Dev dont block that unrealistic log, LMAO
WHAT ARE YOU DOING😭

[slow patio]

Would love a "Keep-away" Game mode/something that uses the physics of throwing the cashbox around/passing it to teammates, but without a specific spot to bring it to - like Oddball from Halo, I think? You get Cash every 10 seconds for controlling it, maybe even reward having multiple people on the team touch it to incentivize passing it around

[tranquil skiff]

I’m done playing this (getting old real fast, make us wait 2+ months for anything new) game. I swear, I play a match and I dominate, then (out of nowhere) I’m dealing less damage and taking more… I’ll come up behind some and start shooting them when they’re right in front of me (not even 2 ft away) and I do 0 damage to them.
I’d report it, BUT WAIT… THERES NO GOD DAMN BUG REPORT FOR WHATEVER STUPID F**KING REASON.

Over it.

[daring fossil]

#bug-discussion

[prisma ledge]

So, against my better judgment, I tried some tournament matches in The Finals again today. It's disheartening to see that the game is still maintaining its notorious tradition – not a single tournament without at least one cheater. People are beaming across the map, prefiring seconds before you even turn the corner. It’s almost laughable! The number of cheaters has only increased, despite the reduced player count, which makes me think the developers are okay with it. It's sad that cheats seem necessary for a fair playing field. I'm absolutely fed up with being killed by players who blatantly look into walls without recon senses and roam openly without any concern. They all share a common trait: a lack of proper vaulting ability, no awareness of pathing or straifing, and they always panic at the slightest unexpected touch like a 1% hp drop due to gas or fire.

[grand mural]

Give lights a self revive

[frank talon]

FIX THE FUCKING UE5 DISCOVERY CRASH I'M SICK AND TIRED OF CRASHING DURING GAMES I'M WINNING

[smoky storm]

I'm willing to bet 90% of the people you think are cheating are legit and you're just terrible. The game does have cheating problem but it's not nearly as bad as you claim.

[rancid granite]

Can someone help me about TFLA0002 even though i tried EVERYTHING which includes embark.id (which i cant even open) and re-downloading this problem doesnt go away

[cloud jungle]

Recon Sense more like Recon Nonsense

[undone belfry]

Again...Im the only one console players here talking about a new issue... Crossplay is now with pc.. embark why did you Enable it silently??? Why destroy console experience even more? Now we can't play with ps5 and xbox only anymore... what a shame this game is going down so fast on console holy moly

And no disabling crossplay isnt the solution... if you had friends on the other console you are now screwed. You play with pc lobbys from now on...

[dawn mountain]

1)There should be maximum of 1 heavy per team

2)Heavies it should take 2x (atleast) longer to pull out rpg

3. you should not be able to be healed while being actively shot

4. complete invisibility needs a nerf

5. rpgs should not 1 shot a light

Fix ts bro why are people being rewarded for being trash ☠️ and before the “skill issue 🤓” nerds get here pls sdfu I fold heavies no problem it’s just annoying

[brazen skiff]

Uninstalled until cheese canisters are removed from the game

[fast owl]

yeah them healing while ur shooting is annoying

[prisma ledge]

So, I've been playing games my whole life and I always reach the highest or secound highest rank in games. I could say that I'm just a few ranks away from diamond in The Finals, but that doesn't mean much since it's all grind-based. I've used cheats earlier in my life (16 years ago) when I played COD and CS against friends. I know what it looks like. I also know when people have terrible movement that doesn't match their aim. If you'd like, you can add me on Discord and Steam. I can tell you how they do it; maybe you'll learn something. I also called out the same issue in Apex when it first launched. Guess what? After a huge ban wave, the "skill level" suddenly dropped, even though people had played it for a longer period of time.

Note: I didn't play between the first weeks after launch and the ban wave.

[sonic spoke]

I suspect it could be ping related.. but we don't know cause it doesn't show that info.

[smoky gust]

You can hipfire all weapons
But for most it decreases dps enough to the point at which the light will just straight up kill you head on

They also have way more time to run away due to the lowered dps, should they choose to

They gain a substancial amount of survivability through it, something they are supposed to struggle with

Combine that with that it also removes the need for recoil/aim management, since you are literally forced to stand still

Another factor in which it decreases the risk normally associated with light

It can only be used once oer fight, but thats all they will need

A nuke can also only be used once per fight, that doesnt mean its fair or balanced

And lastly, you cant always rely on a teammate to heal you

Even then, thats a 2v1

Of course you will win a 2v1, but you should not need the combined effort of 2 people to win against 1 guy

[terse quartz]

Devs what were you thinking ranked has no ranked skill base matchmaking like what😭😭😭😭😭🫵🫵🫵🫵😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨

[tropic swift]

Skill issue lmao

[slim moth]

there is a huge matchmaking issue. plats should not be getting a bronze third

[tulip nimbus]

hella bugs needs to be fixed im glitching while climbing, or if goo rolls around i glich and basically stick to it i love the game its been great but the past few days the glitches been terrible.

[rancid rover]

Idk if this has been mentioned but id like to join up in the practice range with friends

[sacred siren]

pls add way to invite people to squad without having to add them as friends first

[violet linden]

I love seeing people cry about nukes yes they are a little broken but there are ways of countering them you j gotta know how(Aps,Shoot them, RPG if heavy) or even play around your surroundings nukes are practically useless close range or in a building unless the heavy tryna fuck him and his team up

[molten trail]

nukes aren't useless at close range, u can just throw it and explode the player in front of u, have u played against them or with them?

[glass token]

lol except for the part where it's nigh impossible to shoot it when they are holding it

[raven hatch]

playing light in ranked should be insta banned

[hazy swallow]

Skill issue

[tropic swift]

Teammates leaving in ranked should not result to you getting penalized.

Nukes are definitely broken. Shouldn't be removed but maybe make it easier for players to counter it.

Respawn positions are bizzare and unfair at times. I had many situations where no enemies were attacking my cashout

[pulsar drift]

The fact that this exists shows how much light class or game balance in general needs to be shifted.

[golden iron]

Buff flamethrower?

[quick coyote]

Who came up with balancing heavy??

• Nukes can one tap every character
• MGL and Flamethrower are terrible. MGL doesn’t have impact damage unless it’s a direct hit, projectile speed is slow. Flame thrower just has terrible DPS for being an up close weapon
• Shotgun is way too oppressive and can one tube all classes
• I should not be able to one tap lights with an RPG
• And mesh shield is clearly the best choice for heavy, no other alternatives. Goo Gun sucks with coordinated teams, Charge N Slam is outclassed by any one running demolition

[lapis island]

Found the nonplayer. At least play the game before you critique people who actually are playing the game. I've played using nukes and played against nukes. They are OP and you can easily top frag with minimal effort. That being said, they shouldn't be removed. In fact, they should still be a viable option after a nerf.

I propose that heavy should simply lose a charge of C4, and on the side, light should have their breach charge replaced with the C4. You can still frag with one C4, it just requires better timing and positioning (specifically of the C4 on the cannister).

This also promotes less of the campy C4 placement that we see with cash boxes, meaning people will actually fight and defend the cash box instead of sitting rooms away waiting for someone to go for the steal.

[tulip nimbus]

wym no one tap for light w a rocket are you mad? they have no health

[raven hatch]

no, they are just bad. they dont know how to play. and just rush like they are playing call of d

[manic aspen]

the amount of times i have seen you dismissing fair criticism in this channel is crazy

try playing in asia servers some day to find a cheater in every round, and if u dont find any cheaters then it means you are dogshit at the game and have a very low sbmm to even play against cheaters

try playing in asia server someday then @smoky storm

[undone belfry]

He's a troll, just ignore it

[smoky storm]

Claiming every single lobby has a cheater in it is not fair criticism it's straight up delusion. That's a complete disconnect from reality and simply shows a complete lack of objectivity. Not even tarkov, the most cheat infested fps in existence, has that many cheaters.

I'm in the high mmr lobbies, bud. I run into cheaters regularly. But it's not every single lobby and it's literally delusional to try and make that claim.

[daring fossil]

there's probably a lot more closet cheaters than you even realize, almost every game there's at least one player that just beams headshots only

[maiden prairie]

game crashed but i rejoined and finished the game and still got a suspension!!! woo

[violet linden]

Cry about it there’s ways to counter play j be better

[quick coyote]

Yeah that’s stupid, one taps are stupid. This game has high TTK, all this burst damage heavy has is way too oppressive. Specializations and utility should SLIGHTLY alter the TTK, not out right make it broken by having crazy high burst damage (Nukes, RPG crowd control, MeshShield shield-botting, mine spam, instant defibs, FCAR one clip, DB Cloak, light dying if someone breathes on him) light isn’t played for a reason and it’s because burst damage is way too high. Unless they fix burst damage this game might fall off because of the learning curve. One taps aren’t fun for the average player and dismissing their wishes because “casual get good lol” will kill the game in the long term

[lapis island]

If you're gonna ragebait, at least be less obvious.

[tropic swift]

Nah bro the guy made a good point. The idea of nerfing it but still making it viable is right

[wise quiver]

Does the card skin for the throwing knives still not apply to the projectiles?

[quick coyote]

i hate this game it got too sweaty too fast. thanks for the fun in the beggining but im just not gonna play this anymore i get 10 deahs evry game and like 2 kills i cant play it

[rancid rover]

What are we supposed to say

[rich fox]

the game definitely has a pretty steep learning curve. keep practicing man

[undone belfry]

The learning curve gets oblitarated now on console because we are put in pc lobbys.... and without crossplay it barely finds games.

Why tf does embark wants to make this game extremely competitive for consoles... casuals now have 0 chance.

This aint battlefield

[tall knot]

Day 21 of TFLA0002

[daring fossil]

someone earlier said to change your steam name

[tall sparrow]

Yeah aa nerf was over the top the aa didn't need to be touched it was the snap zoom
That was too strong
We don't aim with our arm , even the movement on pc is 10x better

[limpid scroll]

i think they just need to fix the "no slowdown closer than 20 meters" bug for aa and its good personally

[sonic flare]

Either disable crossplay or aim better: maybe put controls on linear in settings, this coming from a controller player. It could be your class setup also

[golden iron]

Flamethrower needs more range and damage tbh

[marsh oriole]

R E M O V E N U K E A N D C H E A T E R S A N D R E C O N T Y

[cerulean magnet]

a couple glitches tro talk about, first off I just was half way to gold while at silver 1, I lost a game and lost 30 fame points but it reset me several hundred instead, also there is a glitch on vetgas where the cashbox gets stuck in the sand

[solar oasis]

Cool game 🙂 4 matches today 2 with braindead mute teammates playing solo and anotehr 2 quick plays with aimbotters. quickplay. with aimbotters.

[astral abyss]

Has Embark ever mentioned anything about consoles getting 120 fps in the future?

[brisk spruce]

Also last cashout giving 22k doesnt sound right, you can literally do nothing the whole game and then steal one last sec and cg you qualified

[glass token]

yea, controller play is harsh now... considering switching to mnk just to cope

[ornate badger]

There should be little jump pad platforms moving back & forth in the bottomless pits so you have the possibility of recovering after accidentally falling it.
It really kills my mood when I fall over the edge by mistake and having an opportunity to come back from that would make it a lot more bearable and increase my enjoyment of the game even more. 🕹️🖲️
I know I keep reposting this but I think it’s a really good change because dying to pits really deflates my enjoyment especially when the game glitches out and bounces me into one.
The obstacle is fine, I’m just asking for a chance of recovery.
#👂┇game-feedback message

[undone belfry]

The thing is now we have less aim assist and also are put into pc lobbys with crossolay on!

This was console only before, ps5 and xbox. Since today I always see pc players with It on... I turned it off now, but games serach around 3mins.. this aint the way embark. Crossplay Was amazing with it only beeing ps5 and xbox... why??

@sonic flare dude wtf how do you wanna aim better against a whole arm and micro movements? You cannot beat a 3 man pc squad.. Inv me and show me how you do it. I wanna see how you outplay the pc players.... since you are a controller player (but I bet you play controller on pc, not console..)

[daring fossil]

I keep seeing controller players use this argument, most mouse users don't aim with their whole arm, ive been gaming on pc for 25+ years, I use my wrist and fingers, so do most people. you would have no precision using your whole arm to aim lol

[radiant kiln]

better than one finger

[violet viper]

can we have a ready button like counter strike, it would allow for players not connected to not start an uneven match

[brittle harness]

I believe MMH is the meta. Heal + Recon and heavy C4. I think heavy must be nerfed (I mostly play it) since it is op. If nerfed, light invisibility should be nerfed too. Medium is the most balanced class imho

[red knot]

make it impossible for people to be in a team
where everyone is Medium/Light or Heavy.
(i have a constant lose streak because of that and it makes the class system worthless)

[coral nebula]

We need Middle East servers. ASAP

[tall sparrow]

They should just make crossplay xbox /ps5

[strange mountain]

People always talk about fairness when it comes to aim assist vs mnk, and in reality it will never be fair. The only solution is input base matchmaking, but then mnk will complain about how long it takes to find a match, but that’s the only actual fair scenario discarding modded controllers.

[golden panther]

quadruple the damage of the nuke

[crystal cloak]

no reason why i spawn with only one teammate still could get penalized for trying to leave like fix this wtf, i just got penalized for completing a rank game even tho i never left holy shit

[atomic arrow]

That’s gotta be the dumbest shit I’ve ever read

[quick coyote]

I guess he wants to remove team play from a team game. That makes perfect sense

[undone belfry]

@tall sparrow It was like that... they just screwed it up today. Probably because servers where harder to find on console because so many casuals left of the aim assist nerf. Now they will leave because they get stomped on pc. You can literally meet shroud now in quick Cash when you play as a casual... like wtf

Devs really dislike the console community. They dont even announce the changement...

And the funny thing is. Now when we console players complain that we get stomped by pc players because of m&k (the same as pc players complaining about aim assist) we dont get a response... ggs

@daring fossil the devs did not ghost patch something in the middle though, they announced the changes.. and also explained.

@digital snow are you on console? I already explained it some chats above

[daring fossil]

I don't disagree with that, just tired of seeing controller players claim things they clearly have no idea about, or how most controller players thinking using a mouse just automatically makes you better. Mouse users actually practice their aim, most controller players have no intention to, they just want the game to do most of the work for them.

@undone belfry it took 2 months for devs to do something about the aim assist, how about you have some patience.

[sonic spoke]

Would love to know ping in match to adjust aim points

[uncut pier]

i would love to have more obvious visuals and audios for light beating up my a** this would be awesome

[digital snow]

How do you know you're being matched against PC players? There's only one icon for all other platforms than the one you're playing on.

[red knot]

@atomic arrow dude... I only want a fix that makes it impossible to be a only Medium,Light or Heavy team because it makes the class system worthless in this situation.
it's simple thinking 💀
i saw a full medium team that spammed the turrets and nobody was able to get to the Cashouts.

[drowsy narwhal]

W

[sharp belfry]

I think a good solution to this is buffing glitch grenades and giving medium or heavy access to them.

[deft river]

no counter to this at all https://streamable.com/c3pg7s

[rich fox]

i agree. a single medium on a team is pretty balanced.

triple medium tho… pretty tough to play against.

[undone rock]

i mean tbf theres no real counter to getting stun gunned in a 1v1 if they keep decent distance

[atomic arrow]

That sounds like a serious skill issue. If one tactic isn’t working, then try something else. My team and I have played against plenty of triple whatever class, several times triple turrets, and we’ve had no issues solving the problem.

[quick coyote]

Ohh okay I understand you wrong. You basically want role lock. Overwatch implemented that in the long past. I don’t know how good that would look in the finals though. The freedom for the same role to repeat multiple times in a team brings a bit of imagination. Though I get that it can get quite annoying as you’ve said. But than again what is you want to play medium and someone already took it? That can also get quite annoying when you’re trying to learn a class.

[vapid relic]

Easiest way to nuke teams of lights or mediums is with the heavy build and the grenade launcher it just chews little guys up.

[red knot]

tbh i was thinking of an idea that if people use the same weapons/gadgets/abilitys in a team that those have lesser damage/usefulness.

( @atomic arrow then you don't play this game that long then. you haven't meet the people that act like a match is a tournament.)

[civic basalt]

I would love more plushie cosmetics, a cuddly companion in every available slot, please and thank you

[bleak coral]

get REKT lmfao ur opinion is invalid

[digital snow]

Tried to find it, but still didn't see your explanation, just you saying that crossplay is with PC now. You're on Xbox, so how do you know other players are on PC?

[round lagoon]

Please add api for stat tracking 😁

[formal pasture]

Cosmetic kits for 3 weapons are not a good idea. I'm not going to spend money to buy a kit with just one gun that interests me, and additional bucks for 2 guns that I'll probably never use.

Make kits that fit all weapons and I will happily buy it.

[shut tartan]

recon sense needs heavy nerfs. I'd literally rather a world where camo lights can operate with impunity than continue to get beamed by fcar mediums who just have free wallhacks. also nerf tactical nukes, shit is broken

[undone belfry]

The whole Server is world globes. World globes doesnt mean that it was pc before, it was an indicator for a ps5 user. But now it's all pc. No xbox no ps5. And if so very rarely...

You can test it out. Enable crossplay, go into ranked or unranked tourney. Suicide and specate your teammates for 2 rounds. You will see that they use m&k (probably don't do it in ranked as you make your teammates may loose elo with leaving them 2v3)

[valid night]

roll back lh1 to OB version that gun is the reason why I play this game😭

[daring fossil]

it's still good but OB version was way better, even with the way higher recoil

[sudden tangle]

MMH (recon heal tank) is too oppressive. please make this less strong

[keen steppe]

They took a while to adress the overtuned aa pre nerf. They collected their data and made their balancing decision afterwards.
If their new data set that they will surely collect over the next weeks indicates that the nerf was too harsh they will adjust aa again. Just have patience.
Aa was overtuned for a long while, IF it turnes out to be undertuned rn you just gotta live with it for a while and if it turnes out to be balanced, sorry to say it, you have to adapt and practice your aim.

@digital snow ill just reply here:
I dont play controller so I'll take you for your word. If there is a bug like that it would be good to patch that so there are no errors in their new performance analysis

[digital snow]

Even when the game launched you couldn't see other platforms icon, there's no way you could see ps5 icon while you're on Xbox. It's always been just a globe icon. If the whole server is globe icons, then you're in PS5 lobby. Now you're just making assumptions based on spectating your teammates? Thats the only way to test this? Thats seems highly incorrect. Sorry to tell you, but you're looking for excuses why you're not playing well.

@keen steppe the thing is, the nerf is justified, but AA bug got introduced that almost noone seems to realize. Under 20 meters AA Slowdown doesn't work and that's a huge nerf to AA which wasn't mentioned in the patch notes. You're right, they have their data but i guarantee you that now it shows controller underperforming. With the bug fixed, AA would be in a good spot i believe

[quick coyote]

anyone else having connection issues

[frank lintel]

@quick coyote yup came here for same reason

[tall sparrow]

💯

[maiden prairie]

got suspended even tho i never even left the game 👍

[smoky gust]

some people complain that VRs don't have a use once everything is unlocked
some complain that they don't want to buy a whole item set for 1 thing they like

we could combine these for a fix:
a player can spend (amount set by devs) of VRs to be allowed to buy 1 item of a bundle at proportional price

example:
a bundle consisting of 4 items that costs 1000 muti-bucks combined
the player can now spend VRs and 250 muti-bucks to buy a single item of the bundle

(of course the price could be adjusted for items that are worth less than the rest, just make it add up to the total bundle price and detract the price from the bundle should the player want to buy the whole thing later on)

this:
-rewards players that play more
-makes them buy items they otherwise wouldn't
-makes it easier for f2p's to get cool items
-gives VRs a purpose outside of equipment

[distant sable]

You’re forgetting this is a free to play game

[livid oasis]

Is it just me or every time I try to login to the game on ps5 I get the “welcome back” please provide your date of birth. This has been happening EVERY time I login

[scenic kiln]

i dont see why we cant change our specialization before the match starts

[gritty garnet]

please add a votekick system would be nice, either server wide or own teammates

[sharp belfry]

No way to balance that on a 3-person team scale, any two stack could votekick based on anything

[lone steppe]

Lost a tournament, then as I was skipping the post game screen I got banned. it's happened twice now.

[undone belfry]

Finally a Mature response without insulting. I apploude you and take your advice!

@digital snow are you even on console? Because it sounds just like a pc player would comment... The whole Server is not ps5, why should it be all the time when im on xbox? Also the player movement and actual mic usage (pc players tend to use mics more often in solo que) aproves it, just look foryourself.. the game probably has more Players on pc then both consoles combined.
As I said if you are on console (which I doubt by now) you can check it as I told you. Most people already thought that crossplay was with pc all the time. Even a mod here replied that that it is console only back then (see reddit for the post).

Now they opened up crossplay for every Plattform. Just wait till more people recognize this.

And no im not doing that Bad against pc. I would send some of my game stats again but haters gonna downvote As usual..

The issue I see is that casuals will struggle alot now, and when they turn off crossplay it will be hard to find a Match, as it is already by now. So many qc rounds are nearly empty with crossplay off...

@digital snow turn crossplsy on mate. Try it 🙂

Bro just try it! Dont make assumptions out of my Statements. Either try for yourself or dont. But don't reply negatively if you are on console and have the oppertunity to figure it out for yourself. This way you are just beeing ignorant. The chance of Meeting 6 random xim Users in 3 different games in your team is nearly 0.

[tough kiln]

So we got put in a tournament lobby with only one other enemy on one team. All other players are gone. It says we will get penalized for leaving....

Will we get a penalty?

[static iron]

How do u get your aim better settings

[north ore]

anybody else ever get an account restriction notice for seemingly no reason that did nothing?

[lapis island]

Amidst all the whining about aim assist and crossplatform, I'd just like to say that they should separate console and PC because I am tired of breaking my back trying to carry them. 😂 Some of you console players whine about the nerf so hard but you are playing like complete garbage, and barely even aiming near your target because you just suck at aiming and play at super slow sensitivities. (Seriously, why are you playing a fast-paced movement shooter with super slow sensitivity???)

Joking about separating the player pools but really if you are going to complain about the AA nerfs, do a little self reflection instead of sitting in here all day complaining about the same thing. (cough, you know who you are)

He can't develop an actual argument, just constantly whine all day and spam react people... 💀

[digital snow]

I play on PS5 with crossplay off. I find lobbies in less than a minute. If the whole server is only globes, why do you believe 100 % it's PC? It can also be PS5. Right until a few days ago it was only consoles, icon is still a globe as it was and now you're assuming it's PC players? You're making assumptions out of thin air. Consoles on shooters like this always have a bigger playerbase than PC.

@undone belfry lets say i turn crossplay on. How am i supposed to determine it's pc player? It might as well be a xim user using m&k.

I just can't believe how you're pulling these fact with the only proof beein "I spectated my teammates and i think they use m&k"

[lavish portal]

The Mates I get are so bad that even I as a very untalented player have to carry them to get atleast one Cashout. Please just fix the Matchmaking that’s all I’m asking for

[smoky gust]

the game is free
but you only get very limited muti-bucks unless you buy them
and for those you have to level up a lot in the battle pass

f2p only get stuff if they work hard for it and then they have to spend a good portion of what they will even be able to gain during that season

nothing changes with the people that buy multi-bucks
and f2p's might be even more inclined to buy the battle pass, since they notice more how much stuff they could get if they buy it when checking for the free muti-bucks they need to buy something

[daring fossil]

f2p doesn't get anything but player cosmetics till level 40 and weapon cosmetics from unlocks, then there's nothing. I dont really think VRS should be able to buy stuff from the store, but I did suggest to a dev who was on one day to have a separate VRS store to buy more vanilla/plain cosmetics

[chilly mauve]

kbm on console

[ebon oasis]

kbm on PC

[sharp oar]

anyone have an issue on pc, usually xp54 ads shooting cuts in and out but hipfire shoots njust fine

[coral nebula]

We need Middle East servers asap

[worldly knot]

PLEASE nerf the stun gun and nukes, they are both so unbelievably broken, and have little to no counterplay, stun gun is not only an almost completely free kill on anyone, even if they're playing with their team, but they can also just completely overturn any effort your team is putting in to capturing the cashout, your entire team can be literally inside of you, healing you with domes and whatever you want, and a stun gun will just completely take you out of the capturing animation, how can you even outplay that? And nukes are so skillless, they're just a guaranteed AT LEAST 80-160 damage on any given member of a team, and in MOST cases, a complete oneshot, no counterplay, not to mention the effects the nuke leaves afterwards, which will finish you off if you didn't die to the nuke itself, at least the rpg requires some level of aiming, and can only do a good amount of damage to one person, but you can just throw a nuke in the general direction of someone and boom they're dead.

[summer venture]

Agree with the nuke, not at ALL with the stun

[keen steppe]

Since Ive seen a couple of people complain that the battelpass is very slow to complete, they could also make it so you can spend vrs to skip or autocomplete challenges or maybe even skip battlepass tiers. That could help lessen the grind and allow you to tunlock the free stuff earlier

[nimble steppe]

Add keyboard customise for the keys and mouse sensitivity and crosier, on consoles

[bleak coral]

"Finally a Mature response without insulting. I apploude you and take your advice! "

MEANWHILE, what you said to me a few days ago after I was literally talking about the changes to AA and how it was based off the devs data they collected and YOU got mad and upset:
"I won't respond to you anymore. I hope you will be lonely as f. Stay just as you are mooron. You are the kind of shit I dislike the most. Big appearance in online World but in real life the quiet one. Biased one minded piece of trash. You still dont know what everything is all about and compare it to pc. Im done trying to get my message over. This community has one of the most dumb ppl ive ever seen.. seesh man how is anyone enduring you in real life... damn "

opinion REJECTED lmao, kid i hope u leave this discord and stop playing the game.

[fervent beacon]

Hey I play on the PS5 and the voice chat isn't working.
I can hear my teammates but they can't hear me. My PS5 is picking up my voice but it isn't reflected in the game.
I have tried all the trouble shooting methods available.
Does anyone know any fixes?

[gritty garnet]

please remove leave penalties of your team already abandons the ranked tourney, i dont think we deserved to get matchmaking ban if our teammates decided to just leave us to fight all by ourselves, no one is deserving of a miserable experience that we cant leave or else we's get punish for stuff we didnt do

[grim steeple]

Turn AA off for gyro capable consoles. Force the PlayStationians to gain some skill

[wooden shale]

I agree stun shouldn't stop a steal, revive, or other "use" things. Whether killing the stealing player, or manipulating the environment or cashout, there are already plenty of viable ways to stop a steal.

[smoky gust]

f2ps get (a few) free muti-bucks in the battle pass

VRs should not buy things in the shop
I never said they should

but you should be able to spend like (I don't know?) 1000 of them to split a bundle and buy a single item from it at proportional multi-buck price

[livid oasis]

the stun time should also be reduced because at the moment they can unload a whole clip reload and shoot another clip and someone is still stunned, it takes way too long to get out of stun.

[surreal meadow]

CL40 and MGL32 suck so bad. Low DPS, terrible projectile speed, direct impacts are needed and yet they bounce off of enemies?? Close up shots deal more damage to yourself than the enemy. Why are the shots detonating mid air? Who made these guns? Also why is a primary, your main method of damage, directly countered hard countered by an APS, i legit cannot do anything to MMM comps

[daring fossil]

this would be nice, although it is slow to complete, the season was 3 months long, so lots of time. I finished it last week (and the season doesn't end till march) and I mostly only play to do my dailies (unless friends are on), but now I dont even do that since I'm level 40.

@gritty garnet they should implement a surrender vote, still counts as loss but no ban

@wooden shale stun stopping a steal is the least cringiest thing the stun gun can do. It's basically all I use it for cuz I dont need it as a crutch to get kills (although it comes in handy when chasing someone)

@smoky gust i didn't say you said that, but others have. literally anything we can use our VRS on is better than staring at 3000/3000 every day. even using them to maybe XP boost your weapons or something would be cool.

[cloud jungle]

To the esteemed Embark Studios,

We, the stalwart players, entreat ye to banish the cloak and recon sense, for they disrupt the game's harmony, casting a pall upon its former glory.

Cloak's invisibility presents a significant accessibility barrier for visually impaired players, who may find it nigh impossible to discern cloaked foes amidst the vibrant backdrop.

We implore ye to banish this ability from the digital realm, ensuring that all players, regardless of their visual abilities, may partake in the game's challenges and thrills on an equitable footing.

Recon sense's wall-penetrating sight disrupts the flow of combat, rendering surprise attacks impossible and rendering tactics obsolete. We beseech ye to banish this ability from the realm of existence, allowing players to rely upon their own strategic prowess and cunning rather than relying upon this crutch of an ability.

We acknowledge your efforts in crafting an engaging experience, but we implore ye to prioritize fairness, balance, and accessibility above all else. By banishing these abilities, ye can create a truly captivating and inclusive game that caters to the needs of all players.

With deepest respect and admiration,

The Faithful Players

[plain vault]

What am I going to do

[sage fractal]

you're one of those players that crutch stun gun aren't you?

[worldly knot]

stun not only slows you, but dosen't allow you to use any abilities, dosen't allow you to ADS, so your accuracy is garbage, and lasts like 5 seconds, it makes it so easy to secure a kill on anyone, and the fact that a light can rush in and just completely stop you from securing a cashout makes it the most broken ability in the game, nothing else can just completely deny any cashout at any time, sure rpg breaking the floor will interupt it, but not every cashout sits on a destructable floor, and you can also use shields or APS turrets to counter the rocket, but stun gun just says "nope you can't capture anymore" and all you need to do is hit them, which is unbelievably easy with how many gap closing tools and how fast lights move, literally the only counter to a light with dash coming to stun gun your teammate is to rpg them before they can get to it, unless you have aimbot and can track perfectly through light dash, the problem is the fact that the stun gun is a jack of all trades, not one of the individual things that it can do.

[torpid plinth]

It lasts 5 seconds, thats the fun part

[pulsar drift]

Only question is dude is what the hell else is light supposed to do to bring Utility to a match other than just sitting back and throwing gas, fire, frag, glitch grenades? It secures 1 kill out of 3 on your team. And with the current meta being MMH or MMM anyway, you need some time to cope bc "Oh wow, I died. Time for me to get defibed and the stun gun cool down is still up.

Even on receiving end of stun guns I never feel like it's unbalanced. It sucks sure, but so does any CC in any game. And I'm happy that ONLY the least HP class in the game can pull it off.

[elfin swallow]

The aps working on grenade launchers is wild. Heavys gl should be able to detonate the grenade. (Pull trigger to shoot, hold it down to prime it, and release the trigger to detonate) this way you can still hit bounce shots but also have more control about where it explodes

[summer venture]

Nope, but I use it as light needs all the help as it is anyway and I don't find medium or heavy even remotely fun. Imo healbotting, rezbotting and reconsights (and obviously shield spamming) are far cheaper ways of playing. Once again, can't hate the player here, I disagree with the devs decision to make those mentioned abilities the uncontested meta, light doesn't stand a chance against any team that remotely knows what they're doing.

@worldly knot in response to you, I agree that yes while on paper that sounds op (and sure, maybe you're right about some of those things. In comparison to the open beta, the stun rework is a bit worse). And I'm not tryna clown on you or anything, but try running it in comp and face the harsh reality of 3 teammates with shields and full protect (if they know what they're doing) on the guy stealing.

[woven rune]

I’m I ment to be in first person

[shrewd vine]

Why does it put me as a gold player against top 100 world player in ranked? please make an actual ranked mode.

To add on to this, I absolutely do not mind longer queues for quality games.

[daring fossil]

"nothing else can just completely deny any cashout at any time" let me introduce you to my friend the breach charge (2 of them will kill a heavy, assuming nobody shoots it, which most people dont)

[plain vault]

Hi guys, how fix error code tfla0002?Turn on the accelerator It didn't work

[proven pelican]

make scotty and june talk to each other more, even if it's just their "couldn't have said it better myself, June" or stuff like that

[glass token]

We need some kind of equipment reminiscent of an inhaler/shot/stim which makes you invulnerable/immune/strongly resistant to gas and/or fire (and maybe an additional buff, reload speed?)

[worldly knot]

I think a better question is why does light NEED to have the kind of utility medium and heavy have? Light's biggest strength is the ability to quickly reposition and having the highest dps weapons out of all the classes, they're assassins, they take off angles and pick the enemy teams appart, while the rest of your team holds down an area, I honestly think the only reason light isn't meta right now, is just because mesh shield is slightly overtuned, if mesh shield gets nerfed, it's much harder to get defib resets, and suddenly any kill that a good light gets is suddenly so much more valuable

@daring fossil you can easily counter c4 on a cashout like you said by just shooting it, just because most players don't, dosen't mean it's broken because it has easy counter play, also, any shield between any player capping and any c4, will also counter it.

[tall knot]

Imagine them fixing this dog shit ass game can't even login 21 days in a row

[smoky gust]

some possible utility light could get:

unlike medium which has defib, light could have an adrenalin shot to increase allies movement speed

a pushback mine that can be used to keep enemies away for some time/bring them into (for the light) favourable position, or be used by teammates as an emergency movement tool (like a rocket jump) or themselves if they dont use the grapple (while of course being not being quit as fast, so it doesnt make it obsolete)

an updraft generator that moves thrown objects and players upwards, allowing the light to alter incoming projectiles and (if used correctly) make them less dangerous, while also being able to give favourable position to the whole team

an oil gun, giving you the ability to slide and move around enemies more easily, force enemies to slide into a position they might not like to if they are careless and set the oil on fire for felxible area denial

(just more movement items with more than 1 use in general)

"It secures 1 kill out of 3 on your team"
you're just looking at the big picture of a team fight
it often cheeses a single kill on someone random on a flank and it ruins the fun for that person
match balance is one thing but it should still remain fun

"Oh wow, I died. Time for me to get defibed"
you don't always have someone with defib nearby
and at that point its a 2v1
a 2v1 should always be a win, so basing an items entire design around fighting a 2v1 is pretty unhealthy for any other situation

defib is also (arguably) a bit overtuned
so saying "this op item makes that other item be not as bad" is not good

the reason the meta is MMH/MMM is because light is underpowered and needs certain crutch items to useable

id like to see a light buff in some capacity but a nerf for the pain points a lot of people keep asking for
making them less annoying, fair to fight and fun to use

[quick coyote]

reWASD aimbot still works, you did nothing, liars! literally same confing and its working after you said you blocked it, FIX YOUR ANTICHEAT!!!

[severe mason]

Actually have rank based matchmaking in ranked.

[woven rune]

https://www.xbox.com/play/media/cNpZfZqmeX

[last nacelle]

imo light should have faster heal to be more viable

[humble tinsel]

@quick coyote I'm getting error code TFMR0002. Anyone know a work around or are servers down?

[quick coyote]

Our matchmaker is having a bit of a issue rn. Working on resolving it.

[dense harbor]

This.
Diamonds should be playing against other Diamonds

[daring fossil]

a shield will stop a stun gun too.

@quick coyote they need to just blacklist rewasd entirely. Even the "fix" (that isn't working) didn't stop recoil scripts. They were just like "yep AA shouldn't work on m/kb now, but everyone can still use rewasd and recoil scripts"

@woven rune all these view model related bugs only happen in the practice range. (there are lots of them)

@last nacelle lots of people have been saying this, and I agree, the cooldown before regen needs to be like halfed

[patent peak]

i agree with this
something that detects that youre the only person on your team and offers an out without a penalty
especially since its a ranked game
or dont start the game until the lobby is full
so many games ive seen where its like 1v2v2v3 or 1v2v1v1
dont mean to interrupt, just wanted to point this out.

[sage fractal]

brother, if you read the original post you'd have seen that violet said that they can DASH past the shield.

[tawdry ocean]

Hi I have a question the game will be on mobile in the future or ther not makin it for mobile? 🥲

[summer venture]

You're telling me that a lights gonna dash THROUGH a mesh shield right into a full team 90% of the time and unload 350 damage unto a heavy? If you're dying like this, that's completely on you mate

[plucky dirge]

i just got timed out in game for being afk when i was not afk in any of the games i was in i belive the most likely cause of this issue was when i tried to start a few games before it would fail and i belive i was put in the match serverside but not clientside causing me to appear afk

[fervent pilot]

In my very limited experience

Light is not that good
Medium is too good
Heavy is how it should be

That’s just my opinion

[cold pilot]

REMOVE RECON

and need more big maps, need 5v5v5v5v5

[worldly knot]

no, that's not what we're saying, we're saying that if it's match point, you're about to grab the cashout, and win the game, your entire team is right on top of you, you're getting healed while your heavy has both of their shields down, you're literally 90% done capturing the cashout, realistically there is no way the enemy team should be able to stop you, especially if the floor you're capturing on isn't destructible, but any light with the stun gun, can dash through all your defenses and ONLY shoot you with the stun gun, which will make you lose, you won't die, you won't take any damage, the stun gun itself will make you lose because it interupts your capturing animation, that is BROKEN

[stoic vine]

Just got a TFMR0007 error that said account restricted but I clicked start and it let me?

[smoky gust]

it would help them, sure
but I think it wouldn't be the right thing to buff

fighting as light is very risky
increasing regen only allows you to take that risk more often

it doesn't help you in the fight itself, making it practically pointless unless you won the fight (in which case it doesn't help either since you can just wait until you regen fully before engaging the next guy)

[daring fossil]

i disagree, if I get put to 10 hp, I have to run away, and stay out of the fight for 10-20 seconds (or longer), by that time my team mates are dead, and then on top of that, all these medium running recon will just bounce-pad through a window and blow your head off while you are waiting to regen, even if no one saw the building you ran into

[raven crystal]

Yo, what's up 🤟

[summer venture]

Okay, any situation in isolation can be proposed as OP. Say if light was in a better state that it is now, then I'd be inclined to agree with you, but for now let's look at the bigger picture.

Say you're running light for that sole purpose. Your team, inherently, will be at an automatic disadvantage when it comes to the game in a more macro scale, you're gonna be almost totally outgunned in almost all team fights and once again, if opposing teams are running the meta (which 99% they are), you'll get wiped.

Assuming that you can defend (or steal until) a cash out 90% of the way in with this inherent disadvantage and you're in a situation where you win with a last second stun defense, I'd argue that that's a completely warranted win anyway.

Remember, if light was in a better place than it is now, we could certainly make a case for what you say. But ATM, there's FAR more things that either make medium totally overpowered, heavy at times too and overall, light suffers hard, as reflected by anyone that plays comp. In other words, either medium and heavy are OP and light is meh, or medium and heavy are whatever and light is dog water.

[lilac temple]

What in the actual fuck man. Why does gas stright up ignore solid walls

[past bloom]

Why are you asking this, from the same balance team that thought recon senses would be fun/fair gameplay. I fully expect this game will continue to bleed players till it's finally removed or nerfed. Not sa ying it's not lame that gas pieces walls but man they've made a lot of really bad calls off the bat.

[normal marlin]

Make heavy have a grapple that can pull things to you

[edgy siren]

If they buff lights, i really hope it isn’t much. I think rpg 1-shotting lights is warranted since they have insane tools to wipe others with strong guns,stun gun, and invis/dash. If the game is just lights running around with annoying ass guns and not playing with the team then the game just straight up won’t be fun anymore. Lights seem to often forget that while they have weaknesses, a lot of them can be mitigated by sticking with the team instead of trying to solo people and teams on their own.

[latent anvil]

So you can get put in a tournament match without players and punished for leaving it. That's cool. Don't see any problems there :/

[indigo ravine]

Thank you, embark studios, for enabling Proton compatibility in Easy Anti Cheat! Seems to be working okay so far!!

[smoky gust]

valid

I did hear a lot of people complain about lights in-out-in-out-in... strategy where they just run in and out constantly with invis + shotty
decreasing the amount of time it takes to regen would make that worse

perhaps there is a case to be made about faster regen but with the same delay?

@summer venture personally i think light is bad but annoying
annoying mostly with use of invis, shotty and/or stun-gun

i get why people call for not nerfing light
but having light be bad unless they run these few items is not healthy

to make these items less annoying we would need to nerf them, which would just ram light into the ground even harder

what do you think could we do to buff light in general?

[chrome basin]

Swear to god if this nuke shit dosnt go away I am uninstalling and never spending a single dollar on this game ever again. How the fuck are you supposed to compete in diamond when there are 50 crayon eating heavies running around with their fucking barrels and c4 everywhere

[worldly knot]

ok, while yes, I agree light isn't that great right now, and yes, by playing light you are at a disadvantage already, I still don't think that is going to get fixed by giving light broken abilities that have no counterplay and are jacks of all trades, sure, maybe the stun gun isn't going to be as effective in a comp environment and anyone who tries using it will get destroyed by a good coordinated meta using team, but high level comp isn't the only thing that exists in the game, and not everything needs to be balanced around what is and isn't possible at a high level, if you want to make light viable at a high level, keeping stun gun how it is right now isn't going to change anything, giving light other tools will. and frankly, stun gun is too powerful for lower level lobbies atm, that's the problem, it ruins fun in the game, I'm not making a case for stun gun altering the meta or anything like that, but it simply ruins the fun.

[next pike]

This is exactly what I suggested like 5 times, this would fix it, i'm sure of it, it would give it a unique use and make it atleast a bit more viable

[daring fossil]

lights entire strong point is playing in-out-in-out, that's how they were designed, the problem with your example is the cloak and DB lol

[tall sparrow]

Constantly failing to find a game
Games almost unplayable

[median frost]

Hard nerf on Recon (which is a total non sense in a shooter game, especially when there already is a sonar grenade), and lower throwables health.

[marsh oriole]

R E M O V E N U K E S A N D R E C O N A N D C H E A T E R S

[broken wagon]

Make the game playable on dx12 for higher end builds smh

[next raptor]

Please add priority to "pickup object / reload" on controller. Every time i try to pick up statue of my teammate so i can resurrect him in save place, my guy start reload gun, so frustrating.

[celest spoke]

is the servers still down?

[earnest quiver]

please fix grenades', if i throw one when i just died it needs to still exist

[junior fog]

Please fix aim assist. Fine call me trash but I would like to be able to play with a controller

[pulsar drift]

Nah... sticking with the team(by with the team I mean standing eight next to them) as a light player means you're pretty much a medium without defib/Heal beam and 100 less HP.

The only buff I think light needs is for glitch grenades to be impact detonation instead of bounce.

[summer venture]

Thats completely valid, in the sense that I agree that the game shouldnt only revolve around comp. As a light player myself, ive kinda just avoided comp after a few games (ive ranked up on pre much all, but i know that if i climb any higher than i am now its just gonna suck the fun out of it as its unbalanced. ill hop back in once balance issues are fixed first). I agree that things like stun can be annoying, but the thing is id still go as far to say nukes, rpg, recon senses, rezzes and even heals are annoying not only to light players but mediums and heavies too. Its a tough one, but the game will continue to bleed if it stays this way. Say that light gets put in a better position, ill completely agree with you that stun then needs a rework too.
Edit: Casual can be really fun too. Im normally a ranked grinder (GM on overwatch until that game drove me crazy and i decided to step back on grass) but ive been having a pretty good time even in casual. What makes it unfun is once again the imbalance, but its served as a really fun place as people are more likely to experiment there. That being said, the imbalances still, imo, plague it and it could definitely be better. The call for a rework is still relevant.

@smoky gust I agree with you as well, light forced to run anything to be even slightly viable is very unhealthy, especially as it has the most 'diverse' weapon options available but realistically only maybe 4 of them viable (pistol, shotgun, m11 and the mp5) which is such a waste.

To change light, there's two trains of thought, either reduce the effectiveness of what is comparatively OP (mainly just medium and shield/ nuke spamming heavies) OR buff light to match. To go into specifics from either approach would take a lotta time, but im sure the devs are listening to feedback and HOPEFULLY, we can see a good patch this week as promised last week. This game is far too good to die this young, and i hope they can address these issues moving forward.

[edgy siren]

I wouldn’t go that far, lights have dash/invis and stronger guns in exchange for less health and defib

[glass token]

How bout we don't give an abandon to a solo who is left against teams of three...

[humble tinsel]

this is frustrating! but i think if you tap pickup/reload again it cancels reload and picks them up

[vapid granite]

Anyone else getting suspended for abandoning tournament matches after they literally just finished playing one? (react if yes)

[crimson cobalt]

how am i supposed to win this ranked game?
PS: won by 200 creds and wiping them but still how tf do i make it through round 2

[olive merlin]

same shit just happened to me. now im fucked for an hour

[upper citrus]

remove nukes

[thin tusk]

I have a balance suggestion for defib that I think would make it far less frustrating to go against.

As it stands right now, the TTK is long enough in this game that you can rarely stop a medium from running in and combat defibbing a teammate (as well as using their temporarily invincible revivee as a shield after it). Defib's role should still be quick revives but not for free.

I think a great balance for the defib would be to make it so taking any damage while charging the paddles should cancel the charge and make the person do it again. If they take damage again, it resets again. This would discourage in-combat revives while still allowing someone to quickly pull their teammate's trophy out of danger and revive them quicker than holding E on them.

[kindred harness]

Either that; or disabling the full health gain you get. Absolutely disgusting a Heavy bonk can get res'd to full Hp and charge you and devour your soul in one/two hits after you just killed him, and about took out the medic. 💀

(im a medium main who always runs a defib; i agree with this.)

[smoky gust]

id rather nerf some strong stuff than buff weak stuff

im not sure if I can explain it well but ill try

if we buff light to keep up with nukes, then nothing changed about nukes
they are still annoying
but we also now have really strong class

its basically a back and forth of annoying stuff

your "x" is op, so i am allowed to have "y" be op

in another thing
you can always stop using underpowered items but you cant force an enemy to stop using op ones

if you're using a "bad" weapon and having a bad time, you can just stop and swap to something useable
if there is an op item, you cannot stop the enemy from using it (you can at best match it, at which point neither is having fun, since its often "click first = win")

in the former case there is 1 person responsible for your fun: yourself
want to have fun? just grab a different gun and off you go
in the latter case, its everyone else (6-9 people, making it pretty likely someone is using the op thing)
want to have fun? good luck searching for random matches until you find one where no-one uses it, or just make sure they don't have fun either

sooooo yeah, if we need to decide between either of those, id rather have underwhelming and average weapons than average and op ones

[tall sparrow]

Make crossplay same input

[summer venture]

I totally agree, honestly light is fun as is and only needs to be balanced. Even though most call for a light buff, i think what everyone really wants is to achieve proper balance.

The removal of nukes and reworks (say you can make it so that objects like c4 cant stick unto throwables, i heard that here before and its a good suggestion) and even what @thin tusk said about defib 9 minutes ago in this chat about defib are great and viable suggestions. As for heal, i think it promotes negative gameplay if one person just healbots, but i suppose its a subclass so i wont comment too much on it i guess. But in conclusion, totally agree, dont 'buff' light, just nerf nukes and others that ruin the meta in an anti fun way
Edit: ok combat knives are damn near useless among some other weaopns so i guess theres that lol, maybe try to work those out too (doesnt only apply for light tho)

[elfin helm]

We need separate lobbys for console how people on tv can play vs pc ????? How is that balance ? Aim assist ?

[quick coyote]

Just don't play on a tv with a 5 second input lag (you can turn crossplay off).

[sonic spoke]

love it when i get the elimination after getting stunned :p

[sage fractal]

happy for you lil bro

[mint jewel]

Make C4 lose its ability to stick on the vertical and upside down surface since its deployed on throw not installed manually.

[zinc path]

Game is horrible got knocked out in the tournament and left and now I gotta wait 1 hour bc it says I left while it was still going

[frosty agate]

Day 1 of requesting The Finals OST on Spotify

[kindred harness]

To be honest; it's not the healing beams, turrets, or whole squad of invisible noobs who are afraid of bullets and sneak attack your cranium with a 1 pump. It's the heavy that can eat toxic cyanide, napalm, and actual bullets (without any visible body armor, just a really thick layer of blub-i mean skin to protect them) and solo an entire team because they're in full berserker mode with a sledgehammer. (Lets not mention that you don't limit one class per team, which would make class setups even more vital in tournaments.) No; you allow them to run TWO heavys running a brain dead loadout with a medium healer clipping the healing beam through a wall to heal the whales.

Also; as far as "balance" goes.....just make every class have the same HP as a Medium? Medium imo feels perfect, as far as movement/hp goes.

Being able to proc invisibility whenever I want and skirt around, until I have a double barrel pointed at your brain stem and almost one shot a medium; is just a giant question mark.

Also; whats up with the absolute "????????" reload animation for the Model 1887? shoots one shell
ejects said shell, catches it, puts it BACK in...and proceeds to shovel another 1-2 more shells back in before I can actively use again ?????????????????????????????????????? wat.

Also; can we get SOME kind of attachment utilization on our guns? atleast sights or something?

[humble tinsel]

this would remove so much of what makes c4 good but not op. bringing down cashouts and destructing walls with it is apart of the gadgets positive appeal. how it interacts w/ throwable objects should be the focus

[upbeat anvil]

nukes are ruining the game.

[misty schooner]

Help me embark

[elfin helm]

I play on monitor, i’m #319 global and #54 on xbox , i know people who play on tv and this is not balance for them. They can’t find lobby with cross play off nobody is doing it the queue is toooo long ://// We need closed servers for xbox and ps

[quick coyote]

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[real ocean]

diamond ranked add me fizzyspark#3899

[tall sparrow]

💯

[summer venture]

go to LFG my guy

[fast owl]

maybe that’s just his suggestion to the devs

[quick coyote]

The cheating is still so bad, wth can we please have some serious investment and effort into Anti cheat

[sudden tangle]

Defib, recon, nukes need nerfs. I also dislike how hard m beams at range and is still very effective close range, but idk how to nerf that.

Defib needs to be changed to a rez speed increase rather than instant rez windup.

Nuke needs to be nerfed by c4 no longer being attachable to throwables.

Recon needs to be nerfed by making it pulse like sonar (but not team wide) showing detected and perhaps also buffing cloak so it cloaks through recon, but only if still needed.

Do this, while buffing weak weapons, gadgets, and specs, and the game will be so good.

[lapis island]

Nuke should be nerfed by reducing heavy's C4 charge by one. This would make it still viable but not absurdly OP. By extension, I think light's breach charged should be removed and changed to a C4 (If there is even a stat difference, I'm not entirely sure. Their descriptions are exactly the same).

[wide star]

there should be more daily challenges, and or weekly challenges, i finish my challenges after 1-2 tournaments for the daily's

[grand musk]

I'm sure that this has been shared before, but there really needs to be some kind of penalty for dodging in quick play. I get that it's QP and not ranked, but it ruins the experience if you want to shoot the shit, so to speak.

[daring fossil]

make enemy shields color based on team color

[wanton dove]

Lights have 1 breach charge. Why heavies have 2 C4 ?

[sour bane]

have you considered ever that.. maybe you're just not good

if you cant get more than 2 kills in a casual mode then i have no words for ya

[woven wagon]

aka skill issues

[surreal goblet]

Yo is the server fixed?

[daring fossil]

lights get 2 breach charges, you just have to wait the cool down to put the second one down. I have also argued that the C4 should be this way, breach charges are the ONLY utility like this

[copper reef]

i think there should be like a team deathmatch game mode like 5v5 and the goal is first team to get 70 kills wins

[fathom iris]

disconnecting in the middle of a game. just got suspended for being unable to reconnect into rank 😭

[sturdy crane]

i agree

[wide aspen]

Remove recon senses from the game.

[digital cosmos]

+1

[smoky gust]

Id love to see the following cosmetics:

Kilt
Beanie
Eyepatch

(Yes, i want to cosplay demoman tf2)

[molten trail]

Remove recon senses from the game.

[livid oasis]

I’m not sure if it’s a bug or intended but as of now the APS turret can destroy things from below as in the APS is placed on the top floor you place a breach charge under that floor to blow it up and it destroys it.

[void heron]

For the love of all that is holy Embark plz fix the issue with Streamlabs OBS not auto detecting your game

[upper citrus]

remove nukes

[kindred harness]

huh?

[subtle barn]

Is this game match making dog water or something? I'm Diamond 4 and matched with Bronze and Silver, and they don't even know how to move, how to shoot

[haughty dune]

remove RECON and replace that with buffed defibs , and add cooldown for c4 or make thing go poof when c4 is placed on throwable

[graceful ermine]

You should make a feature where when someone is stealing a cashout the timer for the cashout stops so that you can get last minute steals

[pure gyro]

How is voice cat still not fixed

[blissful bridge]

The only good nuke nerf would be having the C4 weigh the barrels down, and reducing the barrels health.

This nerfs the tactic but doesn't nerf the class.

Recon senses just need to be reset to where it was before it was buffed.

The complaints about invisibility and double barrel have almost completely gone away with the ADS patch, and people discovering that recon is an effective counter.

[wanton dove]

I use Streamlabs OBS and auto detect. It works fine on my system.
Game capture - Capture any full screen application.

[languid ridge]

I think light should be able to carry C4, breach charge is actually almost useless. At least give light the ability to carry 2 breach charges.

[void heron]

Not for me I gotta actually capture the finals and I have it full screen

[violet mulch]

it's actually crazy recon wasn't hotfixed out of the game

[austere magnet]

You still get penalized if your team is missing one players during the first round of the ranked, please add fame protection if the team start with only 2 players.

[crude scarab]

is there any reason my cpu is running at around 90% util and getting up to 78c while playing this game? are there any solutions?

[sudden spire]

The moving platforms on seoul are too buggy. I just died because I got rubberbanded around a wall on one right as I threw my Molotov, then rubberbanded again as i tried to get out of the fire.

[winter raven]

why is there no vote kick thing where if a player get reported by 8 players in lobby they get automatically kicked

[tough kiln]

1. I'm not clicking on a random link from someone I don't know on a public discord chat.

2. If you want people to click on your link, spamming all caps is not the way to get them to do it lol.

[indigo hedge]

Make ranked dependent on rank and not SBMM.

[quick coyote]

3 med against 6 lights is bad matchmaking. literally just dealt with 6 invisible melee lights. clownshow.

[tight verge]

Ok, So... Dead go boom. Great mode dont get me wrong... but one thing that you guys miiiight no have thought about is the fact that dead go boom griefs the ever living crap out of mele players. Like trying to play knife While dead go boom is active is terrible. Even if you succeed you still lose. That in of itself isnt that bad, but on top of mele being kinda Weak already, it really doesnt help the Weapons at all. Please buff mele so it makes up for my pain Whenever I get punished for my sucess. and no "just dash away" isn't a solution.

[summer venture]

rework recon senses, its literally brainless bots that have no game sense that need it

[haughty dune]

and in bank it mode too

[wide aspen]

you spelt remove wrong

[past bloom]

I'd be fine if it was like a pulse at 20m or something like but even then wallhacks in a shooter doesn't belong especially when medium has probably the best gun in the game the fcar

[blissful bridge]

The best nuke nerf would be having the C4 weigh the barrels down, and reducing the barrels health.

This nerfs the tactic but doesn't nerf the class.

Recon senses just need to be reset to where it was before it was buffed.

The complaints about invisibility and double barrel have almost completely gone away with the ADS patch, and people discovering that recon is an effective counter.

[celest reef]

Fix your woke matchmaking system. A match should not be arranged to make all teams have a chance to win, it is suppose to pair people with similar skills. I can’t stand have to play with 2 morons who have no idea how to use a defib against 3 teams of 3 players. Wanna match me against staked teams? Cool, I chose to play alone, but at least give me teammates who can at least do more than 500 damage an entire match

[livid rover]

Caint sign in error anyone ? havent been able to play for 2 days now ?

[boreal fable]

A better nuke nerf would be to reduce the max damage blast radius even more so that you have to be accurate with it and can't wipe teams.

[past bloom]

I mean removal of recon senses might make light playable but as is currently it's a struggle to fight any medium who has half a brain cell. Reguardless of class. Hence why you see MMM really common in ranked.

[pastel pond]

True, lite is overpowered with the clocking device.

[blissful bridge]

Everyone complained about light, invisibility, and double barrel.

Now that recon has been discovered to be an effective counter to it. Everyone is complaining about recon.

The recon is absolutely fine.

It should be returned to it's original cost before they buffed it. That would return it's balance.

[unique socket]

so, I see a glaring problem in the menu, my game is bugged and calls the game mode 'bank it' instead of bank and spank, I feel as if this issue results in a less satisfactory experience and takes away from gameplay. P.S remove nuke. Kind regards HYDROZINE

[viscid raft]

the menu from the game ending should last forever, not 10 seconds

[ionic totem]

If u have custon keys u can not self revive on console. U have to wait for a team wipe or get resed

[past bloom]

Never seen somebody be like WOW I'm so glad I had a light on my team. It's because recon senses are busted AF. If they weren't you wouldn't be seeing 2 recon senses 1 healing MMM teams consistantly in ranked in higher elo matches.

[queen harbor]

Everytime I see 2 lights on my QP team I leave

[dreamy latch]

Embark has an opportunity to do something REALLY cool with its AI dialogue.
They could set up a forum similar to this discord- it doesn't need to be constantly running, it could be an event every season or something -and have the AI trained on posts and comments from the forum to adopt player speech and sentiments. Imagine June and Scotty talking about nukes and movement techs or other wacky stuff mid game, it would fit the gameshow theme perfectly.

Obviously the text that the AI is trained on would be moderated and curated by the developers, and the people that post in the forum would sign an agreement obliging to have their writing used.

[gaunt perch]

I'm impressed you're enjoying it on controller, much easier on mnk

[quick coyote]

Buff Aim Assist and add an option to allow crossplay between Xbox and Playstation but not PC.

[tropic swift]

Actually a good idea. It would be fun and the announcers would be relatable

[ruby timber]

PATCH NUKES AND NERF HEAVY SHIELDS HEALTH.

MAKE MM BASED OFF OF YOUR RANK INSTEAD OF SBMM.

ADD A CHATBOX TO TYPE.

ADD WEAPON ATTACHMENTS.

ADD A DISTANCE LIMIT FOR MEDIUM RECON SKILL. 100 METERS?

GIVE MORE FAMEPOINTS FOR WINNING, LOSE MORE FOR LOSING. I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PLAY 100 GAMES TO RANK OUT OF A RANK TIER. I AM CURRENTLY GOLD 2 IN DIAMOND ELO LOBBIES GAINING 650 EVERY WIN. VERY UNFAIR. MAYBE MORE CASH AT END OF GAME = MORE POINTS?

BUFF VANISHING BOMB FOR LIGHT TO MAKE IT A MORE VIABLE OPTION.

MAX LIMIT OF 1 C4 FOR HEAVY. 2 IS TOO MUCH. LIGHT ONLY GETS 1 BREACH??

***CONSIDER ADDING PASSIVES TO EACH CLASS ***

HEAVY - NOT ABLE TO BE DISPLACED BY OTHER HEAVY CHARGES

MEDIUM - HEAL FASTER OR REGEN HEALTH FASTER OUT OF COMBAT

LIGHT - GAIN A HEALTH BOOST OF 50 PER KILL. MAX LIMIT OF 50. THIS WOULD MAKE LIGHT MORE OF AN OPTION TO USE. OR BOOST OF MOVEMENT SPEED?

[harsh trail]

day 23 of asking for a throwing knives balance patch/bug fix to make them a viable weapon option

[royal flume]

This. Game has gotten significantly less enjoyable since that nerf. Now it’s either get destroyed by m&k players with insane frame rates or wait forever to join a match. Also dying to way more bullshit like nukes and explosives since the nerf

[crimson ravine]

REMOVE VEGAS AND UNSEED ME FROM VEGAS

[plucky veldt]

NERF MEDIUM DETECTION SKILL.

[rocky verge]

Give heavy a desert eagle with a doubly extended barrel (:
(Maybe even a hair trigger)

[marble ferry]

+1

[exotic panther]

+1

[green ferry]

can anyone help me i cant even play the game it does not let me log in it keeps giving me an error i could not sign in with steam then i unlinked it then i signed up and linked steam through the website still couldnt get in

[upper citrus]

remove nukes

[daring tusk]

It would be nice to see the Russian language in the game

[quick coyote]

Russian deserves fun like any other people. Game is already using AI so make Russian. Russia is a huge country with many people who speak russian who aren't russian.

[royal flume]

The console player base is going to die out quickly if we don’t get a high frame rate mode and some kind of buff to the current aim assist as well as well as a console only cross play option. AA was a little too snappy before, but it’s pretty much nonexistent now and the skill gap this causes between PC and console is too immense to be enjoyable. I seriously do not care about shiny ray tracing graphics when somebody playing at 4 times my frame rate gets to use their whole arm to click on my head and delete me while I try to react with my thumb and minimal aim assist at minimal frame rates for next gen. This game was way closer to being perfect last week than it is today which is concerning but hopefully they figure out a balance as they do seem to care and be very responsive.

[exotic panther]

remove nukes

[twilit plank]

Recon sense needs a major nerf.. Having infinite range is flat out busted... It literally grants you wall hacks..

Range needs a limit & it should only display a fuzzy blob of you, not an exact outline to tell them crouched/moving.

[noble saffron]

nerf aa more bruh

[marble ferry]

delete heavy 👍

[rough basalt]

i feel like im the only one still have TFLA0002

[junior fog]

Agreed

[unkempt basalt]

Saying it in caps makes it less likely for me to read it

[long river]

some ppl in this game are so stupid it makes it feel like they are teaming

[crisp hull]

let me post custom emotes so i can reply with :copium: to people here

[celest coral]

Kbm support for console pls

[ruby timber]

Hey everyone,

I've compiled a list of suggestions to enhance our gaming experience. These changes are aimed at creating a more balanced and enjoyable environment.

1. Patch Nukes and Nerf Heavy Shields Health:

• Adjust the strength of heavy shields for better gameplay dynamics.
• On another note, players should not be able to attach deployables onto world canisters.

2. Matchmaking Based on Rank, Not SBMM:

• Switch to a matchmaking system that considers player rank rather than Skill-Based Matchmaking (SBMM).

3. Add a Chatbox for Communication:

• Introduce a chatbox to facilitate communication between players.

4. Include Weapon Attachments:

• Expand customization options by adding weapon attachments for a more personalized gaming experience.

5. Implement Distance Limit for Medium Recon Skill:

• Set a distance limit, perhaps 100 meters, for the Medium Recon skill to balance its usage.

6. Revise Fame Points System:

• Increase fame points for winning and decrease them for losing to promote fair ranking progression. Explore the possibility of earning more points based on in-game total cashout.

7. Balance C4 Usage for Heavies and Lights:

• Limit heavy class to 1 C4 to address balancing issues.

8. Buff Vanishing Bomb for Light Class:

• Enhance the Vanishing Bomb for the light class to make it a more viable and competitive option.

9. Consider Adding Passives to Each Class:

• Explore passive abilities for each class to add depth to gameplay.

Heavy: Immunity to displacement from other heavy charges.
Medium: Faster healing or health regeneration outside of combat.
Light: Options of gaining a health boost per kill (max limit 50) or a boost in movement speed.

These suggestions aim to improve the overall gaming experience and promote fairness within the system.

[past bloom]

pc pop is going down too, it's not just the AA it's the cancerous meta.

[royal flume]

Please allow some way to mute the sound of the cash out box or give different options as purchasable cosmetics or have the song progressively change as the cash out gets closer to completion. It currently provides no information to the player and I’m sure that most of us are tired of hearing that one bar loop over and over and over by now. It seriously gets really old.

[twilit plank]

C4/Mines placed on objects should have a chance to self destruct randomly when a player runs/sprints with it.. It Give some downsides to using the nuke but doesn't remove the functionality.

[full thistle]

Changes that imo would be great:

1. Add mnk support on consoles since PC players have big advantage so it would be fair
   2.Add crossplay between consoles only so we don't have to play against PC if we don't want to.
2. Nerf nukes since it's too much overpowered
3. May be controversial but Buff aim assist. This doesn't have to be that good but just a little bit. I'm a good controller player and I'm doing fine now but there is a lot of people that want to play for fun and they can't coz they don't have the aim assist so this change would be nice.
4. Add more specializations to every class. I think it would be good. Maybe 2 more to every class.
5. Fix the anti cheat system because you know, cheaters
6. Give us more points for winning the ranked game maybe like 700 750 something in that range.
   8.Buff light in some way that will be more balanced. I think Light is not good for ranked and I would see some hp buffs and maybe slight damage nerf so the survivalability would be bigger.
   Any one reading this have a great day 😘

[gritty garnet]

i love how we could have a possible chance of winning in ranked then one of us just LEFT and now we have to suffer an uphill battle if we dont wanna get matchmaking ban penalty for leaving

[pure gyro]

Please fix voice chat

[plush plaza]

thoughts regarding ranked after grinding to diamond:

1. Make rank based on skill not how much you've played, in the future i won't be grinding to diamond since it just is a meter for how much youve played. FP loss needs to be way steeper in the future for plat or gold+
2. Add a new rank after diamond. Diamond is usually the seconds or third highest rank in games, feels unsatisfying hitting diamond to realize that was it.
3. Do something more with diamond (or highest rank) divisions, right now there is very little incentive to grind further once you hit diamond 4
4. Give a top500 leaderboard a separate rank. Making the top500 rank visible in the badge makes it way more competitive and is a nice QoL change to not have to check leaderboards between every game
5. obviously fix mm so solo is viable

[sudden ridge]

Nerf nukes

[sudden tangle]

Fully agree with you.

I cannot believe Embark thought it was a good idea to make ranked have hidden mmr, but also NOT make visible rank gravitate towards your hidden mmr. That's like the whole point of hidden mmr?! So that people get into their deserved ranks quicker. Diamond is such a grind.

[ebon isle]

just a quick opinion, do you believe that people still are hacking, lets say gold and upwards?

[hallow ruin]

A way to nerf nukes:

When heavy is holding it - it should take about 45 dmg to destroy it(so it would blow up in heavys hands and killed him)

When nuke is flying it should be one-shot from any weapon.

This way a nuke would still destroy and kill teams if heavy gets a jump on them, but also makes it dangerous for the heavy and his teammates if they are close.

(Like high risk - high reward, cause right now it is no risk - high reward)

Recon Senses should be reworked in such a way so it would have a downside like every other special utility
(ChargeNslam - cant use weapons)
(GooGun - cant use weapon, dont deal dmg)
(MeshShield - cant use weapon, slow movement)
(Turret - can be destroyed/glitched)
(Heal - cant use a gun)
(Harpoon - high cd period, just a movement ability)
(Dash- leaves visible traycers, just a moving ability)
(Cloack - scan abilities and thermal vision can see it)

Recon Senses - nothing, u just press Q and get a wallhack.

A possible rework in my head:

Make it 3 charges of pulses. Each pulse is around 50 meters, to begin a pulse a medium player will not be able to use a gun (mb an animation of him touching some sort of device), after each pulse there is 3 seconds delay before u can use the next one, cd period starts only when all pulses are used. All teammates can see the pulse and the ones detected by it. The pulse has a wave just like sensor granades, that is visible to enemy players.

[pulsar needle]

Lots of VERY useless players and they should be penalized, players who downgrade their rating in a quick game.
Do something about them.
There should be a way to track them, for example.
Repeated clicks or absolute inactivity in multiple matches.
This is the 4th incident in 2 days of play, and the longer I play, the more often I see them.

Video example of such conscientious helpful players: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OycNurzmGIk

[obsidian solar]

Since i use the shield I don't rely on AA at all basically but yeah overall the game is made for MnK

[blissful bridge]

The best nuke nerf would be having the C4 weigh the barrels down, and reducing the barrels health.

This nerfs the tactic but doesn't nerf the heavy class itself.

Recon senses just need to be reset to where it was before it was buffed.

The complaints about invisibility and double barrel have almost completely gone away with the ADS patch, and people discovering that recon is an effective counter.

[kindred harness]

Gas Mask when? we just love gassing ourselves and our team, or vice versa with all the gas spam on objectives and not being to do much about it 😄

[twilit plank]

Fire, burns the gas up pretty instantly.

[leaden lintel]

Remove nukes i beg im going to lose my fking mind. 0 skill to it

[crystal cloak]

nerf c4 barrel

[undone veldt]

I cant unequip stickers from my gun

[frozen pilot]

i used to play finals and i had many skins but now when i reinstalled they all gone. can anyone tell me

[rose snow]

Los for certain movement interactions. Would be nice not to have to look directly at something to jump or grab or steal. Kind of momentum killers. Ty!

[ebon isle]

im having the same issue

[hallow ruin]

Why delete something that is a core mechanic?
Just need to make it balanced

[obsidian solar]

Had the same problem, delete the character and recreate it
@ebon isle

[quick coyote]

If update is not enough, This game will die surely.
Yout next game will die also.
And people remember the dev who ruin game.
🤣
There is no second chance now.

Won’t let me invite my friend can anyone help?

[fathom void]

I think that's a network problem,

[kindred harness]

No, its a rare but weird glitch

[shell jacinth]

No way i should be getting beamed across the map by the akm bro u pc fucks really cried about aim assist but can do that

[lapis pollen]

I really want they bring back the beta dagger, or at least they should give dagger some buff. Dagger is the only reason I play tf, waiting for a month and gained nothing is frustrating

[fathom void]

I used this prop today, and he gave me a bad experience. I think if I change the function to sleep 0.5, then I can fight a hacker! ! ! !

[plush plaza]

Every once in a while I encounter a hacker but it is way less than previously. Probably like 1 in every 10-ish tournament. AA seems more balanced now so you also see way less pure beamers with the FCAR and that you have a decent match up with MnK. Overall, it feels way more balanced and easier than compared to last patch.

[shell jacinth]

Any pc player who complained about aim assist simply was shit at mnk

[kindred harness]

?

[native flax]

Current Feedback after 156 hours and Gold rank:

• Revolver is inconsistent with its accuracy (some weird bloom when you ADS) (try it in training)
• Defib is too strong and brings a boring metagame | nerf cooldown and remove invulnerability only for defib revives to bring in a more risk/reward
• Recon senses should be reverted to last patch and not be able to see invis (this will help give lights some more play with cloak)
• Stun gun seems too long
• c4 shouldn't recharge while active
• Custom games with friends are needs to test mechanics

[undone veldt]

Yes to that except recon sense comment

[quick coyote]

💀
If update is not enough, This game will die surely.
Your next game will die also.
And people remember the dev who ruin game.
🤣
There is no second chance now.

[limpid nimbus]

I'm here due to my frustration with enemies having no recoil. When I shoot it takes two mags to kill enemies, they get to do it in one since their shots don't miss like mine. If this is my 160ms latency then I get it, its on me, but if its something else it needs to be fixed, I cannot play with this huge disadvantage of missing shots where enemies never do.

[wide adder]

matchmaking based on rank pls. i hate teaming up with bots.

[lucid swift]

Diamond 1 while you stuck gold hahaha (skill issue)

[full thistle]

Don't wanna be a bad guy but prolly a skill issue. Now you cant depend on aim assist rather your own skill. I lowered my sens to be accurate and it worked. Try to train on practice range as well

[native portal]

day 18 of asking for rank based matchmaking for season 2

[limpid nimbus]

Ive been feeling like that since launch and still do. Its like my gun shoots blanks, it just doesnt hit even though i felt it should.

[cunning cedar]

Controller players who complain about the AA nerf are just not as good as they thought.🤷‍♂️
(I play controller btw and like the nerf)

[quick coyote]

💀
If update is not enough, This game will die surely.
Your next game will die also.
And people remember the dev who ruin game.
🤣
There is no second chance now.

[obsidian solar]

I'm on PlayStation but only use the Riot Shield so I don't even use AA😂

[native flax]

The only complaints I saw about aim assist from pc players had to do with MKB players changing their input so that the game recognised them as a controller and in turn giving mkb players aim assist which was giving pc players a major edge

[undone belfry]

This. I hope devs figure this issue out...

[wind apex]

Did they patch pc AA

[cold pilot]

useless, the only way is nerf AA forever, no aim to head, down to 20%

[coral ferry]

input based mm

[full thistle]

same. I hit my shots but I'm not gettin hit like a truck

[quick coyote]

In Asia server Ranked I am encountering Cheaters, aim botters, hackers Every. SINGLE, GAME. Please fix your god damn game, I have many screenshots to prove it from every game, All the people saying "Oh but they're not that frequent" Are eitehr Playing on NA / EU or don't play ranked. Just because you don't see many cheaters anymore doesn't mean Asia server isn't infested with them

[kindred creek]

BUFF DAGGER

[cunning cedar]

Exactly, it created a skill gap again. 🙌

[lucid swift]

Lmao no one is complaining about the aim assist no one cares 🤣🤣 it does feel better, all in all. That's not what I said though 🤣🤣 @cunning cedar

[native portal]

https://tenor.com/view/mod-discord-mod-nerd-glasses-speech-bubble-gif-27462011

[cloud jungle]

Rework or remove Recon 🅱️ense

[coral ferry]

^

[wild sand]

Giant skill issue

[cunning cedar]

I wasn't responding to your issue..

[deft plover]

Please add a team chat function

[fast ferry]

Add the feature to see the "possible" loadout of each OWN team member before a match starts.

What I mean with "possible" loadout is what they also has in "reserve inventory" to switch their equipment mid-game.

It makes my life easier to know if someone has molotovs or flamthrower as a heavy to deal with poison gas. Relying on the barrels alone is difficult and it give me the freedom to adjust to my team's whole loadout.

[finite osprey]

GAME UNINSTALLED TIL NUKES ARE REMOVED.

[ebon peak]

Mnk support on Ps5 please 🙏🙏

[undone belfry]

Console withcrospllay off = 10 minutes waiting for unranked toruney.. very nice

@subtle oak which console? And crossplay on or off? And which gamemmode?

I see, xbox community may be less. Dunno

[royal juniper]

Need a fix for steamdeck - game plays fine expect for when you enable voice chat. That game crashes right away every single time

[subtle oak]

Im from EU on PS5 and the longest waiting time on console I had is like 2 minutes. Crossplay off, any gamemode

[ruby sentinel]

I’m not really one for complaining online, but I thought I would leave some feedback for once. I was really excited playing this game when it came out, it felt fresh and got me excited to game again. I’ve felt generally online gaming has got a lot less fun in recent years, it seems games are constantly trying to cater to a minority hardcore player / pro player, not the casual gamer. But anyway me and my buddies were really enjoying the finals on console, we’re not the best but we put up ok numbers and sometimes we can have really good matches. But since the patch it’s become a nightmare to play, struggling to get kills. Lights are impossible to hit especially if they get in your face, in fact anyone gets in your face, big guy included bullets will just miss. It was hard to track shots before the patch now it’s even harder. Yeah it probably takes more skill to play the game now, which can be rewarding for some people but if you’ve only got a spare hour to pick up a game and play, it gets a bit much. So me and my buds are probably going to move on to something else, feeling kinda sad on the games missed potential and once again feeling like fun for the casual gamer hasn’t been prioritised.

[blissful bridge]

Competitive gaming is toxic and hurtful to the development of games that are actually enjoyable.

I hope Embark keeps this game enjoyable for the casual player.

[woeful arch]

+1 to this, I noticed that we have basic colors for weapons like depending on mastery you get yellow, blue, red, white and then the fancy purple one. Should be the same for clothes IMO. Would allow for more choice when picking looks.

[severe geyser]

Add a "forfeit" option for final rounds. Imagine not playing the game for 15 mins straight just for the enemy team to always wipe you every time you spawn... 15 Minutes of endless farming, endless spawning... waste of time.

[quick coyote]

There is a difference between catering to "pro" players and removing the pseudo aimbot from consoles, you got used to having your hand held for weeks so now it feels impossible to play, you'll get used to it, the current state of aim assist on console is ideal, stop crying.

[manic aspen]

fix dogshit ranked matchmaking pls

[undone belfry]

Glad to hear more from console casual folks!

I hope devs take this into account. I feel like the only one fighting for us casuals daily on here...

@grim steeple how can you say its a competitive game when even the creators of the game themselfs said that it isnt the priority and that fun is the most important Aspekt of the game?

How can a game even be competitive in the first place with stuff like dead go boom or low gravity wich is all random???

Cmon dude. Have some brain pls

Do you really think that adding a ranked Mode instnantly makes a game competitive in the first place? Wtf.. there are more gamemodes in Casual then ranked. How is that game focusing on beeing competitive in the first place... I swear dude...

[grim steeple]

Because it's a competitive game? Edit: react all you want, I'm right.

Oh we're doing some weird edit thing I guess. If the devs didn't want this to be a competitive game they should have not added ranked. I'm using my brains, unlike you day in day out. PR be damned, it's a competitive game.

[ruby sentinel]

@quick coyote I’m not crying, I’m simply going to move on to a different game. Attitudes like this, are what kills the fun in gaming, everyone thinks they’re a big shot. Enjoy your echo chamber.

[graceful sequoia]

Colorblind mode and team colors

I'm colorblind, and I'm 100% sure that every other person with this problem has to be frustrated with the color of the teams. Having pink, purple, or blue teams (for example) in the same game is almost impossible for us to distinguish quickly. Also, sometimes I have a yellowish team, an orange one, and a reddish-orange. I mean... wtf.

Could you use four permanent colors every single time for each team? Saturated Blue (for your own team), Yellow, Green/Dark Red, Pink. That combination should work fine, cause they are very different in hue, saturation and lightness. That's what make colorblinds able to read different colors without issues.

[summer venture]

@wheat fractal yo im just pinging you as youre a community manager, but please let the devs know even though things get 'passionate' here, (without the obvious people who are salty and dont understand that this is a month into launch), people submit feedback as its a game everyone cares about to give feedback on. Imo its the most fun ive ever had on a game and ive been playing a long time, i hope they dont get discouraged. hats off and blessings moving forward

[gentle zinc]

Lowkey every since the AA nerf my aims been improving training wheels off 😭

[valid night]

roll back LH1 to OB version, remove dead go boom! nerf recon

[glass oasis]

agree, i'm not colorblind, but it's not plain orange, or plain red, it's a mixed stuff i can't name 😄

[woeful arch]

I'm gonna need some fancy looking Medic-themed cosmetic pack for the times when my Medium characters bring their A-game to revive and heal their team mates (mostly to complete dailies but still). 💪🏾 👩🏾‍⚕️

Other suggestion: I'm currently Steam achievements hunting which is fun, but there's about a dozen I'll never get done because my aim sucks at this time. I'd not mind an in-game achievements tab though, to keep things fun beyond launch/seasons. And maybe all those stickers/weapon decor would finally make sense to equip from those achievements (or not I find them useless so far).

[quick coyote]

Yes you are, if you were just gonna move to a new game you would have done that, but you come to the chat and make a long post about "poor me, I'm just trying to have fun 😢" threatening devs to bring the aimbot back or "muh casual" player base will leave.

Fact is Aim assist was way overturned and now is not, aim assist is on par with games like Apex, you and the other console players got used to the pseudo aimbot, now that is more fair you refuse to learn, you just want things to go back as they were.

Besides have you considered that other casual players don't like to get insta killed by some light running around with an aimbot shotty?

[dusty moth]

All my settings just reset

[solar oasis]

Queue all the braindead players spamming 'hurr durr bye dont need you!!' as the game fades into obscurity like every other non-mainstream FPS in the last decade.

[ruby sentinel]

I haven’t threatened anyone, I wanted to leave feedback because I loved the game’s potential. Seeing how toxic it is in here, looks like I wasted my time.

[gentle zinc]

Tbf dude, the aim assist was extremely strong, even as a console player I was hitting shots id never hit

[quick coyote]

what update ?

[elfin swallow]

pc players trying to make the conversation about them again… god forbid people on controller get a say on how aiming feels on controller.

[red inlet]

I hope you can become a professional gamer after a day's work

[lavish shard]

What is a good uptade for you ?

[haughty dune]

bc roller players are thrown in together with pc kbm players, i would give as shit about console or roller player only games , but if there is mix there is conflict

[grim steeple]

Brother what does that even mean? I have games I can play that are strictly not competitive, like Party Animals. But if Party Animals launched with a damn ranked mode I'd expect it to be balanced fairly.

[merry creek]

Fingers crossed the next update saves the game because its looking bleak

[undone belfry]

I hope so bro!

[fallen mortar]

is the next update coming this week?

[cloud jungle]

Remove or rework Recon. It removes any strategy that isn't "push 3v3 and aim better"

[blissful bridge]

The best nuke nerf would be having the C4 weigh the barrels down, and reducing the barrels health.

This nerfs the tactic but doesn't nerf the heavy class itself.

Recon senses just need to be reset to where it was before it was buffed.

The complaints about invisibility and double barrel have almost completely gone away with the ADS patch, and people discovering that recon is an effective counter.

The issue with lights are their viability in competitive play.

It's an extremely high skill class to use.

Ranked mode has players maximizing strategies. This is why nukes, defib, heals, etc are so prevalent.

It would take a highly skilled team player to run light in a ranked mode that by it's nature and ours is filled with meta strategies to insure a win.

The light could use a few more team play gadgets, but it doesn't need a nerf.

Competitive gaming destroys enjoyable gameplay because the win is more important than the experience.

[lavish shard]

Rework in sonor range 20m

[winter ember]

Honestly I agree with this, alot. I play console and since the changes and rebalancing to appease the PC players over aim assist, I now can not hit a barn door. The fun of the launch is gone, unless I play a heavy Flamethrower or an invisible sword hobbit, which I refuse to in a game focused around GUNPLAY. Thanks Embark, you ruined a dream start, love from a Casual.

[fleet coral]

agree, my squad fight against cheaters and low iq ppl with nuke, finally reached plat and uninstall the game .if the next patch can fix these things and make it "good fps game" my squad will comeback.

[remote rain]

remove second charge of c4 and remove recon from the game

[unreal yew]

For all the sweds. The finals pls add polis outfits elr ordningsvakt outfit. Pls mister Embark and ikea of course. Ikea bag, ikea bucket hat. Swedish shirt.

[blissful bridge]

Competitive gaming is toxic and erodes the enjoyability of a game because winning and rank takes priority over the experience.

We've seen many games far more popular than The Finals become a mess of balancing issues after trying to appease it's competitive player base.

I trust Embark to keep crafting this game as they envisioned it.

[mystic gyro]

Played 7 games in NA today with just lag but no hackers but my very FIRST game in Asia today I have a hacker cross mapping me and my team with the SA1216. Please do something about it, and just to enlighten how bad it is. Those hackers with chinese names + random letters and numbers. Those random letters and numbers are a link to their social/website in China for their boosting services. So essentially they're killing your player base while earning a profit out of it.

[manic aspen]

quickplay stats should be different than ranked stats, average winrate in bankit is 25% while it is 50% in ranked

[merry creek]

I think it will go competitive eventually I just hope they iron everything out and it's a smooth as possible before we start down that path

[keen steppe]

Competitive gaming merely strives towards balance across the board. Just because a game is balanced does not mean it is not fun. It only means that nothing is overpowered or gives unfair advantages. All while still allowing meme playstyles to function aswell.
And like in any kind of sport or game where you face off against other individuals, with the clear goal being to outperform the enemy team to win, competitiveness is always going to be a major part of the game. Mainly because it always feels better to win than to lose. Sure you could have fun while loosing but having fun while winning is still the preferred outcome.

[gritty garnet]

as an asian do NOT play on aisa servers, its a very much awful experince. hackers, bad teammates, micspam, etc. highly recommend oceania servers instead

[serene dock]

Hey Embark, I have no idea where to post idea's for the game, but take a look @ the Wrecking Crew game mode in RF Guerilla, maybe an idea to add as a game mode into The Finals? People take turns etc with certain randomised loadouts, with a timer etc etc

[teal sun]

Game is too slow and far too "balanced"
Went from CoD to Fortnite and thought that was slow, this game feels like r6s speed and went back to FN for a few games felt like lightning speed.swapping from grenade to gun is so slow

As for the balance issues, being a light/medium turrets annihilate you and you're far too squishy as compared to a tank who cam sit in the turret and not care.

Being too balanced makes this game suck because you have to find people to play with just to unlock shit so then you can try playing the meta... or it's bashing your head into a wall for so far 4 hours while trying to herd cats.

Hell 2 sniper shots don't take out a medium from a light nor do 2 headshots on a heavy.... also melee is waaaay weak it should be 2 kill a light or medium and 3 for a heavy and add extra damage if hit with one from behind.

Also waaaay too many hackers

And can we add a sort by input type because I play on controller from PC and its a nightmare since the update (I play with aim assisting off) and the update makes me not even ADS at what I was looking at and drags it off target since update.

[gentle zinc]

No

[undone kestrel]

120fps ps5 update when?

[blissful bridge]

The game just needs to stay true to it's experience while balancing it out.

The competitive scene shouldn't take priority over the gameplay style and experience.

@keen steppe multiplayer will always have a competitive nature because it's competitive by nature.

The problem is that ranked modes give the players a rank to lose and possible fame to gain.

This creates a mindset of winning over enjoyment which will change the gameplay if that player base is appeased.

I personally enjoy having the weapons and equipment actually being powerful without debilitating the player in some way.

They need to craft the gameplay around the experience and balance the game according to it's style.

This game is a fast-paced explosive team based objective game that allows for creative freedom. It's made to have epic moments and allow even casual gamers to achieve wins.

I think this game is trying to balance the skill gap between casual and competitive players while creating a fun experience.

It's the anger, skill, competitive issues that can ruin an enjoyable game.

I don't want to see this game turn into Apex, Overwatch, etc...

Those games have become extremely toxic and are no longer enjoyable due to the competitive side being favored over the casual experience.

[oblique raven]

this is perspective of a light main

c4 and breach charge should slow down what it's on similar to mines
alternatively you could make a limit to how many things can hit you at the same time

rocket launcher should increase in damage the further it goes but make it a bit slower. up close it shouldn't one shot lights, but further away you should get a chance to dodge because right now its so incredibly fast. in return for the speed nerf and up close damage nerf, it does more damage further for a bigger payoff

stun gun's stun duration should be reduced by about a second and should allow you to crouch while stunned

when revived the defibrillators should be at max cooldown no matter what

two healing beams on one person should only increase health by 75 per second not 100

vanish bomb shouldn't create movement noise (not 100% sure it does but it feels like everyone always knows where i am with it) and have reduced shimmer (aka you should be able to see it a bit less)

light class should have a constant healing which increases over time while not getting hit

footsteps should be distinct, allowing me to tell which class i am hearing

turret health should be reduced and should do scaling damage, so light players don't loose all their health but it actually means something for heavies
along with that explosives should do more damage to turrets

invis should have cloak time meaning it takes a tiny bit to actually become invis

thermal vision shouldn't have a cooldown or duration restrictions, it should just be a toggle. it already doesn't allow you to see gas so maybe remove some of the dangers you can see while it's active

motion sensor should have increased range

recon senses when deactivated should drain the entire resource bar.

climbing speed (meaning vaulting and mantle) should be increased, and quicker to cancel.

add a wide ladder interact key so you aren't forced onto the ladder when running into it

[mystic gyro]

Okay I will try oceania servers, just a force of habit to play in NA due to my time playing Apex. Also to add on to the hacking issues, what's crazy to me is how the shots are bypassing the shield. Back when I was playing overwatch, you could still kinda play against hackers due to them not being able to shoot through Reinhardt's shield for example but that is not the case here.

[pseudo latch]

Bro

Do you

Have enough

Spaces between

Each sentence?

This ain’t your university paper, you ain’t gotta double-space each line.

[grim steeple]

Where's the abstract?

[keen steppe]

You can have powerful equipment without it bordering on overpowered. The problem is when a powerful equipment/gadget/ability gives such a huge advantage that it makes the game unfun/tedious for anyone not using it. If that happens to be the case then changing said equipment/gadget/ability is fair and justified, even flat out removing it if no good balance can be found is a good option at that point.
Who know maybe the new equipment/gadget/ability the devs would come out with might even be more fun and enable more creative ways to use it and enhance the game in a way the previous one didnt.
Personally I'd rather bet on the new one than to play with an overpowered old one.

I'm all for comp players and casuals having fun. But if comp players go up against casuals a majority of the time the casuals should not win. If they get assistance through gadgets/mechancis or other things along those lines to close the skill gap it only invalidates the time and effort players have invested into the game.
If you put in the hours and grind grind grind to get as good as you can possible be you have earned the right to come out ahead of the majority of opponents you go against.
Since that could lead to pubstomping tho, a ranked mode is implemented to separate comp and casual players. Sometimes comp players still play quickplay etc. and obliterate casual in those lobbies but that isnt necessarily bad.
I remember when I first started gaming and got rolled by other players and instead of being mad I more so was amazed at what they could do and what was possible in the game I was playing at the time. It showed me what you could do if you were good enough and how much depth the game had. And it incentiviced me to play more and improve.

[gilded sleet]

Please enable mouse on PS5, it's not fair that xbox users have that native, and we don't

[errant pollen]

Friendly footsteps too loud. invis is kind of whack. Please ban cheaters.

Game is super fun though. I love it.

[oblique raven]

sorry

my bad man

i won't double space

[bleak coral]

omg i love how lekelp has thumbs downed you over you saying you're improving aim and getting better ! what an absolute child.

@pseudo latch @oblique raven It's easier to read with spaces in between each point IMO

[olive epoch]

1. Big nerf/remove recon
2. Remove nuke
3. Fix matchmaking. No sense there is bronze and diamond guys in same game in rank mode lol 🤡

[gentle zinc]

People struggle once and refuse to adapt it’s just stupid

[blissful bridge]

The problem with competitive ranked modes is that players have something to lose. So this makes winning a priority over enjoyment.

This makes players gravitate towards the most optimal strategy to win. So you see players abuse mechanics and it breeds a toxic experience in ranked.

The fact is no matter what is nerfed or changed. Players will always cheese the most optimal strategy thus there will always be a balancing issue. It will never be solved because of it's nature.

This game allows a casual to pick a low-skilled class like heavy and get kills due to the heavies explosives and health. This allows them to compete with more skilled players.

That's the balance between skill and casual. Which skill will always have an advantage, but the casual player will still have a chance to win, and either way walk away with an enjoyable experience.

The heavy class is literally made for casuals who just want to contribute but only have a couple hours in their day to play.

The casual isn't playing ranked, and normally ranks aren't playing casual mode.

Ranked and competitive issues should stay out of casual modes and gameplay.

Rock beats scissors. Rock shouldn't be nerfed or removed. If it is than the whole game experience is fundamentally changed.

This game isn't about "balance across the board", it's about counter strategies and it's a rock / paper / scissors style of gameplay.

Invis+DB was the casual "meta" until it started getting countered by recon. Now it's no longer used as much, and the AA patch helped stop it some too.

It's still powerful, but people aren't cheesing it as much because the counter is being used now.

Basically I just feel that ranked and competitive issues should stay out of casual modes and gameplay experience.

[quick coyote]

why are you able to have slurs in your name?

[prime wing]

Oh damn its Geralt of Dyslexia, he's a pretty good player tbh!

[violet swift]

What if he’s actually mentally handicapped tho and that’s always been his username

[fading yoke]

Please add an option to toggle off automatic vaulting, sometimes I just wanna drop down instead of getting stuck in vault animations and die because of that, lemme hold a button to activate vaulting instead. Also please fix the bug where I'm stuck in reload animation with full ammo, can't use any gadgets and only thing what helps is restarting the whole game which has caused me to get multiple "leaver" bans already. Also nerf recon senses, wallhacks like that don't belong in a tactical game.

[oblique raven]

i know, i was just messing with him lmao.

[latent lava]

what if he’s a witcher ????

[obsidian solar]

BUFF THE RIOT SHIELD:
Here's some suggestions, I know all of these together would make the shield pretty strong but even 1 or 2 would be enough to improve it so much!:
-While blocking movement speed should be the same as walking (increasing block movement speed would help a lot in pushing and giving your teammates support)
-Lunge distance (90% of the fight become a chase you can't win, the other classes have ways to block enemies, slow them down or catch up to them, even heavies have RPG to finish people off if they use sledge)
-Add a slow down effect after being hit by the shield, nothing too crazy just a small reduction to movement speed and the effect should only last 500ms max (Same reason as above, medium lack ways to finish people off or catch up to them, this would prevent infinite chases, also this slow down would only work on medium and heavies, light can still run away)
-Increase damage from 84 to 90 (to kill heavies in 4 hits instead of 5)
-Add a charge like attack, to activate it press the attack button while blocking kinda like charge N slam, of course less powerful and without the destruction effect, it would add variety, also all the other melee weapons have two attacks)

[keen steppe]

Yes comp mode can lead to some toxicity. But what would be the alternative? No comp mode so all the good players and casuals are jumbled together. That would be fine if there was no sbmm. Because if you introduce sbmm into that scenario then it only means that you shift the ranked problem into the casual modes problem. You wouldnt have the ranked incentive to win but comp play lovers would still compete and go for the win. And since there is sbmm they go against similarly ranked players and then the best meta would be found there instead of in ranked.
You'll never get rid of the toxic players that comp games inherently have since some take it too serious or cant deal with getting their pride hurt.
Basically even if ranked mode is gone there would still be a ton of people playing the optimal strategy it would just now be in casuals.

Rocks beats scissors is fine as longs as it only "beats it " in the sense of having a slight advantage against it but still needing significant player skill to capitalize on that. Once "beats it" turns into no counter play and it being very unfun to play against then a nerf or removal is warranted.

[quick coyote]

so wheres n-word_witcher and f-word_witcher? even if you are part of said minority i dont think it should be allowed to use those words in your name. i mean how are you supposed to regulate that? how to we know that they are actually in said group?

[neat siren]

Make the ping system like Apex, this game desperately need this.

[proven pelican]

i like the idea of an oil/ice grenade that causes movement to be fucked with could be fun

[quick coyote]

Not many good bundles or various cosmetic options. With the popularity thhis game launched it, if it had a bit more variety and cool items on the store- Embark would've made more bank than just operative bundle and business suit

[queen rover]

I am down bad for a balance patch

[blissful bridge]

I didn't say remove ranked modes.

I said issues deriving from ranked modes shouldn't control the overall direction of balancing the gameplay experience.

If they could keep nerfs/buffs patches to only ranked keeping it separate from casual modes that would be ideal for me.

Ranked should craft it's own gameplay experience separate from casual modes.

I slightly agree with "beats it in the sense of having a slight advantage" because a complete rock/paper/scissors gameplay is unfair.

I think most opinions about nerfs and removals are from anger, skill, and competitive issues. I also think a lot of players are going into this game and expecting it to play like another game they might enjoy.

I also think most opinions are near-sighted and don't take into the domino effect that can happen from balancing issues.

The invis+DB combo was devastating until the AA patch and Recon counter.

The issue wasn't invisibility or the double barrel. It was aim assist and not being properly countered.

The invis+DB wasn't even a problem in ranked. Because light is rarely used in rank.

This was entirely a casual problem which was solved thankfully before invisibility or the weapon got nerfed.

Recon just needs to return to where it was before it's buff. They just need to roll back the patch on it.

C4 just needs to weigh down throwables, and all barrels need their health reduced. These changes help balance out the tactic without nerfing the heavy class itself.

Light needs 2 breach charges which would be fair and allow them to counter nuke as well.

Light needs more teamplay gadgets that would help make them more viable in ranked modes.

I enjoy the gameplay and wish to preserve it as close to it's initial experience.

I hope that Embark does too.

[bronze hemlock]

region and nation ranking?

[fading yoke]

Do you have any idea how much recon senses takes away from every strategy right now? Do you understand how ridiculously broken it is? You cannot ever, EVER juke anyone in this game anymore and it simply ruins every single tactic. You grapplehook 2 buildings away, trying to revive your teammate in a good place, no, recon senses counters you instant. You have a good ambush setup for cashout, no recon senses ruins this too. You jump building to building, story to story in Monaco to juke an enemy, no recon senses sees you. Besides balancing a game around casuals isn't smart, casuals come and go and follow the most hip and hop newest streamer game anyway so it makes sense to balance the game around people who actually stick around and know how to play the game. Balancing a game around casuals makes for a shallow game with no depth and no learning curve which in turn makes a boring videogame.

[marsh oriole]

R E M O V E N U K E A N D C H E A T E R S A N D R E C O N

[drifting glacier]

this game is gonna die if you don't do anything about hackers

[smoky storm]

A game balanced around high ranks is inherently balanced for causals, but a game balanced around casuals is unbalanced as fuck

[keen steppe]

Sorry but separate balancing for casual and ranked is not the way to go.
For anyone that is interested in ranked, casual is a way to introduce those players to the game. It is also a way to pretest strategies. If they are completely different from each other its only leads to unnecessary confusion for new players and even more work for embark to keep both balanced well.

A good example for "beats it" in a way that is currently basically uncounterable is recon sense. You get no notification when and enemy is using it. And the advantage it gives is so massive that people consider an ability along those lines a cheat in any other game.
It also currently doesnt fit in your rock paper scissors metaphor. Since it has no counter. If another class had a concealment ability that prevented recon from working on the whole team we could argue in favor of keeping it. Since there isnt and I doubt there will be, a heavy nerf or removal is the way to go

[slender thunder]

@wispy palm is the anti cheat will be updated soon ? ive been dying from a hammer 100 meters away mid air the funny thing is the guy is invisble on heavy no way to shot it back just invisble heavy with hammer hammering you from 100 meters away

[quick coyote]

make moving platforms work better with climbing and vaulting. i fall off so manny time by glitching off for no reason

[pine venture]

who can tell me if I bought a season 1 starter kit and it didn't show up at my place I tried to restart the game

[gaunt perch]

This is precisely why Overwatch died.

So far, I think the finals game balance has been extremely promising, because they are balancing around the skill ceiling of the game while keeping the game fun for casuals. I have a lot of faith in the devs right now, but there's always a chance that things change.

[neat owl]

The Finals gonna be a dead game if embark not gonna solve cheaters. Lots of cheater in Asia server.

[smoky storm]

Overwatch isn't dead at all, it's very much alive and the vast majority of its playerbase can be found in the casual playlists. Overwatch is in a bad state because of grevious mismanagement of resources, it got steam review bombed into oblivion because of all the cut single player content that has been promised for the last 3+ years while all development on the original OW was halted, leading to a complete stagnation of the game which didn't even receive minor patches. When OW2 was released it was basically OW except 1 less hero and some changes, without ANY of the single player content that was promised, of course it had issues with the community. Despite that the game is still nowhere near dead and has a huge playerbase. Virtually all it's current balance problems are because of heroes which aren't balanced around good players but are balanced around casuals which leads to the major imbalances everywhere, support being powercrept, kiriko, and mauga as examples.

[valid night]

roll back LH1 to OB version plz, now only aimbot cheater hit all headshot using this gun.

[slim karma]

move grappling hook to the gadget slot and replace it with a more impactful specialization.

[fading yoke]

I don't understand why people react with clown emoji because this is the truth. When papa jeff left it was over. Just lies and empty promises after that and support is powercrept like crazy.

[gaunt perch]

?

Virtually all it's current balance problems are because of heroes which aren't balanced around good players but are balanced around casuals which leads to the major imbalances everywhere, support being powercrept, kiriko, and mauga as examples.

I literally agreed with you. Though I do disagree with you on Overwatch being dead but that is beside the point

[ruby timber]

Hey everyone,

I've compiled a list of suggestions to enhance our gaming experience. These changes are aimed at creating a more balanced and enjoyable environment.

1. Patch Nukes and Nerf Heavy Shields Health:

• Adjust the strength of heavy shields for better gameplay dynamics.
• On another note, players should not be able to attach deployables onto world canisters.

2. Matchmaking Based on Rank, Not SBMM:

• Switch to a matchmaking system that considers player rank rather than Skill-Based Matchmaking (SBMM).
• I should not be Gold 2 playing against full Diamond lobbies. Let alone gaining the same 600 points for every win.

3. Add a Chatbox for Communication:

• Introduce a chatbox to facilitate communication between players.

4. Include Weapon Attachments:

• Expand customization options by adding weapon attachments for a more personalized gaming experience.

5. Implement Distance Limit for Medium Recon Skill:

• Set a distance limit, perhaps 100 meters, for the Medium Recon skill to balance its usage.

6. Revise Fame Points System:

• Increase fame points for winning and increase the decrease for losing to promote fair ranking progression. Explore the possibility of earning more points based on in-game total cashout.
• We need a better matchmaking system desperately. I should not have to play hundreds of games to get out of a single rank tier.

7. Balance C4 Usage for Heavies:

• Limit heavy class to 1 C4 to address balancing issues.

8. Buff Vanishing Bomb for Light Class:

• Enhance the Vanishing Bomb for the light class to make it a more viable and competitive option. As of now it only lasts a second.

9. Consider Adding Passives to Each Class:

• Explore passive abilities for each class to add depth to gameplay.

Heavy: Immunity to displacement from other heavy charges.
Medium: Faster healing or health regeneration outside of combat.
Light: Options of gaining a health boost per kill (max limit 50) or a boost in movement speed.

10. Lock regions:

• Players should not be able to freely switch their region and play wherever they want. At least for tournaments.

11. Ranked rewards, Sticker placement, and In-Game Content.

• Ranked rewards would be very nice to see, especially before or when the season starts. This will give players more of an incentive to keep playing.
• It would be a nice add to allow the players to be able to place their stickers wherever they want. Possibly a max of 3?
• We desperately need more content in game. After you’re max and everything unlocked, there is nothing to do. This will make the game die quickly.

These suggestions aim to improve the overall gaming experience and promote fairness within the system.

[smoky storm]

my bad, misread the first sentence. Misread it as if you said overwatch died because it was balanced around pros instead of casuals, an argument I've actually seen multiple times in the past

@fading yoke probably because I misread doffs reply lmao, in this case warranted. What I said was correct but the context was incorrect.

[potent pasture]

Why are the EU servers so chalked? Every game Russians and Chinese. Theyre the only types of cheaters ive encountered and i literally have to play other regions to combat this -_-

[hexed panther]

fix crashes. why do the deposit machines disappear if u click deposit at like 2 seconds left. bad

[tacit dome]

Agree with most but Mesh Shield is pretty balanced rn, taking the shield down is not that difficult in a teamfight and gives the heavy the way to counter FCAR beamers rn. Passives you mentioned are quite situational, but that could be explored and added with some extra development

[livid oasis]

I agree I mentioned this yesterday while talking about the recon skill most complaints that I’ve read here come directly from people playing RANKED. I don’t think ranked and casual should be balanced equally I feel like casual should be just that casual it should be fun and let players choose what they want to do the game in its current state I’d say is fine for casual. As for ranked things should be changed definitely but don’t force that onto the normal game.

I definitely want to keep the game as close to its original form as possible, meaning as little nerfs/buffs as possible to weapons gadgets specialists. I’m not a big cod person but I’m pretty sure in their leagued play they also just kinda ban certain guns/ equipments that are annoying or have some sort of balancing issue. I feel like that should be the case here. I’ve read an argument that recon takes away from people that wanna play stealthy, and I get that but this really isn’t that much of a stealthy game at all, even the stealthy class (light build) isn’t stealthy and is more active than anything else.

Like I mentioned before recon 100 percent needs the DISTANCE nerf but as it is now I think it’s fine for casual games/players I personally hardly ever run into it and I’d much rather recon than 2-3 turrets or 2/3 healing beams with defibs. Recon is only a massive issue in ranked. I would hate to see items in this game rendered useless because of ranked when most of the player base just wants to play casually.

[fervent vortex]

will sticker positions eveer be moveed, u cant see them on most guns, also plz make ranked rewards charms i want a ruby charm

[unkempt basalt]

Isn’t this what killed apex

[thorn venture]

what are you talking about? If that was a thing than games would go on forever.

[lucid igloo]

These changes are horrible

[ruby timber]

brainless

[smoky storm]

Apex isn't really dead, but it's in a horrible state because the original devs left, and the 2nd waves of devs left and 90% of remaining dev time is spent making 300 dollar cosmetic "events" instead of improving the game.

But also because the game has no competitive integrity due to ridiculous aim assist, issues/bugs that have existed since S0 and never been addressed, and the fact that they patch once every 6 months with a tiny patch that has nothing anyone asked for, while leaving major balance issues in the game for literally 3-5 seasons and then just making everything worse when they release Seer

[topaz anchor]

Yall still need to fix those damn connection issues for like 1/3 of your end users. The only way around them is by making a new account and we have no idea why. I’ve been trying to get help on here and Reddit but it seems like nobody actually fucking listens and it’s bullshit.

[upper lotus]

Is someone else having issues with packet loss and all those red stuff while playing? I checked my internet with speedtest and i have 600mbit download with an 8 ms ping.... and ingame i'm lagging like who's on a 10mbit internet...

[peak wagon]

I agree with about two of those points, but you gotta keep in mind that this is a team of 100 people I believe, the game just came out and I think we should heavily focus on the more important pain points first rather than overwhelming with everything at once, in my opinion, those points would be ranked based matchmaking. And nukes being patched.🫱🏽‍🫲🏻

[desert nebula]

Isn’t it 30? Idk t`hats what google says

[cinder frost]

Please buff c4 i need to break more desks

[golden kestrel]

GuardianIce#5020 hacker

[smoky storm]

All gun sight sway removed during ADS,stay centered on screen,ironsights included

Healing beam is interrupted for 1/4-1/3 second if target takes bullet dmg.help prevent mercy healbotting cosplay.environmental/gas/fire dmg does not trigger cd

Remove/nerf Recon: #👂┇game-feedback message
nerf/rework defib:#👂┇game-feedback message

Glitch nade explodes on impact with shield, player, or equipment.otherwise regular fuse

db shotty rework:#👂┇game-feedback message

1.5-2x Dash range
2 charges of grapple hook

Gadget/C4/RPG Nerf:#👂┇game-feedback message

Option for "sprint always enabled" / auto sprint, or sprint/sliding interaction reworked(Please see this video, where it is described in detail https://youtu.be/tdOKEgrwZHc). Currently movement is pretty good, but also a bit awkward from a control perspective due to how sprint and slide interact. It could be massively improved via updated controls.

Option for more neutral background colors, too vibrant, causes eyestrain.

option for dark flashbang

Please give alternate team colors, colors are hard to distinguish

Allow for separate Jump/Vault keybinds on MNK

Allow access to the keybinds config file for improved keybind options

Using scroll wheel for jump/vault causes inconsistency, please fix/address

Improve subregion matchmaking(always low ping)

built in performance and network indicators FPS, ping, packet loss

Input based matchmaking: #👂┇game-feedback message

In ranked mode, all teams start with 10k, instead of 0(more stakes when fighting early)

Option to disable TAA and all anti-aliasing(I beg!)

Reduce gas and dust particle opacity

ladders do not autoclimb,require pressing "use" key

[manic aspen]

asia server @smoky storm

[daring cliff]

I think the game is fairly balanced to be honest. Some tweaks here and there and it's in a really good position but there is ONE THING that NEEDS to be addressed. PLEASE REMOVE RECON SENSE it is literally cheating

[molten trail]

This game should hwid ban cheaters. If it doesn't, it's going to have a massive cheating problem eventually and it seems to be getting worse every week, now with cheaters mass killing everyone with a hammer across the map which multiple people have complained about today. Ppl can just buy ranked accounts for $5 and cheat their ass off with little to no consequences. A hardware ban would solve a large part of the problem.

[shrewd vine]

I get this too. Most of them are blatant and don't care that people see (30+ kill games in tournaments with no deaths, mowing people from across the map etc), but I have seen first person with rewasd since the patch just today. Always Chinese.

[smoky storm]

What of it? I never said there aren't cheaters, and even said I run into them myself, and explicitly stated the game has a cheater problem. I just said they aren't in every lobby as was claimed.

Why are you randomly pinging me with a video of a cheater? Report them, I can't do anything about them.

@molten trail unfortunately hardware bans are a no-go, because it's too easy to spoof/change. In fact virtually every cheat comes with hardware spoofing built in, so you just ban a fake hardwareID and nothing happens. IP bans are also useless, because the vast majority of IPs are rotated out by the ISP, they aren't static except at places like universities, and obv you can't ban an entire university because one person cheated.

[exotic condor]

Anyone here met this type of aimbot/cheat yet? This just happened like 30 minutes ago. Please can we have an autokick in the game? 😦

https://youtu.be/_NsskzN4xU0

[marble relic]

Today i met 3 Cheaters in all 3 Games i Played

[blissful bridge]

I would like if it was separated, but I know it isn't going that way.

The game should be balanced around it's envisioned playstyle and experience.

The recon is working as intended, but it should be rolled back to it's previous patch before it was buffed.

As @fading yoke pointed out. If you're trying to revive a teammate or juke an enemy in a building. They can spot you with recon senses.

This is it's intended use which is to track and locate players.

If you're playing competitively than you should already know what specializations your enemy is using, and if it's recon than you should know to adjust your playstyle and to recognize that enemy in the match.

Recon let's you see enemies but it still requires the player to actively participate in the elimination. It's way more skill based than the nuke meta for example.

Competitive balancing leads to a stiff and unenjoyable experience that's filled with unending balancing issues.

@livid oasis I agree with everything except for the range nerf. There's no harm in the range. Seeing an enemy team 100+ meters away does nothing but let you call it out and prepare.

The best nerf for the Recon Senses is for it to be rolled back from it's buff patch.

Let's stop ranked issues from ruining the overall style of the gameplay.

[quick coyote]

Solo Q is atrocious

[livid oasis]

I only say the range nerf because the description of recon says it weakens with range and that just isn’t the case as of now. I’m not sure what it was before the buff tho. But yea honestly a game based around ranked buffs/nerfs would be boring to me at least rn I think the game is decently balanced as you said a few tweaks here and there but that’s it. I’m not about removing recon or making anything in this game utterly useless

[rocky verge]

I have a friend who's name is 9 11 didn't happen

[obtuse summit]

guys can we talk about the rampant cheaters on asia server? is this the right channel for it

[quick coyote]

here we can see a fucking piece of shit in his natural habitat. experts call him the "jumping moron". a new cheat is in town.

[smoky storm]

Ugh this is so ridiculous I don't even know where to start. Yes, instantly knowing the location of every enemy team and individual player is massively op. Seeing an enemy team 100m+ out is extremely valuable information. Seeing where someone spawns is also valuable info.

Recon scales with gun skill, the better your aim, the more value you get out of it.

In fps games, information is the most important part of the game after your aim. Wallhacks/esp give the biggest advantage short of rage aim hacks of all cheats - it's one of the most universally powerful cheats that exist. How can you possibly sit here and claim it's something that belongs in fps games? It trivializes literally 90% of all non-aim related fps skills. That's absurd.

Wall hacks do not and never will belong in fps games. It was absolutely a massive mistake to include recon in the game, and i hope the devs correct that mistake.

[tight spade]

seems like some new cheats got shipped today. just played against a duo that killed everyone across the map with their hammers. most ridiclous cheats just work on this game it seems like. total joke and be a game killer soon

[fading yoke]

How does nerfing recon senses ruin the overall style of gameplay? You're here day after day shilling for this broken mechanic

[hazy patio]

qq

[near spear]

Ton of rage hackers, ban them or the game dies

[shrewd vine]

Maybe let us queue for specific maps? I know its gonna increase queue times but I'm frankly sick of playing skyway stadium every, fucking, game.

[keen steppe]

"The game should be balanced around it's envisioned playstyle"
Am I correct in the assumption that you believe that playstyle is being creative?

If so recon sense is the complete opposite. It devalues every other method of acquiring intel on the enemy teams since you can press q and have all the info you would need. It completely devalues one major skill in a players skillkset in a tactical fps - game sense and lessens the need for the other one - aim, since you can literally just preaim the corner.
Since there is no actual counter to it you are also unable to find a creative way to get around it or outplay it.

Imo it should be balanced along those line:
Make it so it functions similar to thermal vision of light. Where you have to pull out a tablet to activate it and it stays activated for a set amount of time and goes on a long cooldown afterwards. Also make it pulse twice maybe three times every 5 seconds instead of a continuous vision. Each pulse would outline enemies for 1second. A notification for other players that they are seen should be added aswell.

It would still allow you to gather important info of the position of enemies and their general destination while making counterplay possible.

If that still turns out to be suboptimal maybe scrap the ability and think of something new. There are enough players here to surely brainstorm some amazing ability.

[topaz anchor]

Maybe fix the connection errors so people can actually play the game instead of getting error code TFLA0002 even after all driver updates, restarting routers, and more. Now I’ve recommended a genuinely decent game to friends who have it and now I can’t play and I know this is effecting more people than just me and no one gives a flying fuck to fix it. If you guys do, at least fucking tell us you’re working on it.

[manic aspen]

i challenge u to play ranked in asia without a cheater

[flint goblet]

I agree that Recon Sense doesn't add any value to gameplay at all, imo it's just uninteresting as well as annoying.

[quick coyote]

DUDE I've been saying this all day. I'm in Asia server and out of 20 or so ranked matches 17 HAVE had cheaters! Like full on, I sreenshotted and reported everyone of them. One guy from EU server literally argued with me because I was "complaining" and over-exaggerating. Started backtracking after I showed proof

[smoky storm]

No thanks, I won't play on 300 ms ping on an unstable connection under any circumstance. At that point I couldn't even tell if it's a legit player or a cheater because the ping is so high that it stops being a correct representation of what is happening server side.

[wet cliff]

does anyone now how to fix the 1012 error?

[obsidian solar]

Same but with Las Vegas

[livid oasis]

I understand everyone here hates recon and it most likely is going to be nerfed. I agree with maybe a pulsating effect where it pulses 2-3 times that’s a good idea and it still would make it pretty viable. But is it the biggest issue in the game at the moment I definitely don’t think so.

[blissful bridge]

Recon is an ability that takes skill and communication. This is entirely dependent on the player using it.

If you are playing competitively than you would have a game sense for spawn points and map movement.

This ability doesn't belong in any FPS that YOU enjoy and your idea of what an FPS is doesn't define the genre as a whole.

@fading yoke

This game is trying to have a style that allows abilities to be powerful without debilitating the player using it.

I'm here shilling for this game I enjoy because you are here trying to have it changed because YOU don't enjoy it.

I'll keep pushing back against it.

I'll be that voice.

I enjoy the style of FPS this game is trying to craft.

I don't appreciate players who don't enjoy it wanting it changed to fit in with their ideal FPS.

The majority of nerf/buff opinions come from anger, skill, and competitive issues and players not recognizing that a genre of gaming can have vastly different styles and mechanics from one another.

I hope Embark recognizes the toxicity of competitive gaming and balancing issues that have destroyed far more popular titles.

I hope they stay true to their vision of gameplay.

[inner hill]

new hack in town. Just had the whole server instant killed with sledge hammer just standing on a crane swinging not even LOS anymore its just everyone is dead

[naive flicker]

🪧 Remove AA changes! Console will die!🪧

Possible soutions to replace the aim assist patch:

1. They disable crossplay entirely and have 2 different builds of the game. This would be a nuclear option not recommended.

2. They buff MKB users by giving them bullet magnetism. Buff instead of nerf. That's always better.

3. They can filter inputs on PC. Forcing controller PC players to play with console or have they're own subdivision on PC.

4. Have it so when console players enable crossplay they have this patches current aim assist. When disabled have pre patch aim assist

[obtuse summit]

yeah. it seems they're messing with the melee range + aimbot which is INSANE btw

[ruby timber]

terrible

[glacial mural]

Please change the way XP is rewarded at the end of a game. It is very unfogiving to play a game well, only to lose due to bad teammates. Considering the teams are not chosen by skill it is very likely you can lose a match and getting barely any xp because of it is really unmotivating

[marsh oriole]

R E M O V E N U K E A N D R E C O N A N D C H E A T E R S İ F Y O U H A V E A B R A İ N B İ G G E R T H A N A B İ R D T Y

[tough kiln]

I agree that recon sense has a place in the game if it is balanced. As it is now though it requires the least amount of skill out of any spec of the game. You will be hard-pressed to find anyone that agrees with you that it requires much skill to use. It actually emulates a lack of skill. Not saying it isn't fun and you don't FEEL like a badass when you use it but don't delude yourself into thinking it requires much skill to use.

Are there angry trolls in here raging bc they just aren't good at tactical FPS games? Yes. Are there also people in here who like the game and are critical bc they want to help it be better? Definitely. I am of the latter and I think a lot of other people who criticize the current recon sense are as well. It will almost definitely be changed and I hope in the next patch. The game will be better off.

[trail echo]

What is nuke ?

[obsidian solar]

Change Recon with a Jetpack ability, allows you to fly and only recharges when off, like cloak and if you finish the charge there's a cool down, the take off speed should be the same as taking a zipline, however It can't be spammed quickly, also It takes time to reach max speed

[smoky storm]

Literally living in an alternate reality, like christ. Recon does not take skill, you press a button and instantly have all the information you would ever need in a game, something which would require severe cheats in any other game. Recon completely removes the need for 90% of non-aim related skill in the game, which I said before. It does not require skill at all to get use out of it.

You no longer need to gather info, you no longer need to think about your positioning, you no longer need to make decisions, you don't need communication because you already have all the info your teammates could give you anyway, all you have to do is lineup your crosshair and not choke when they run into it. It removes all uncertainty from fights.

Trying to claim my opinion comes from "anger, skill and competitive issues" is fucking ridiculous, I'm dropping 25-0 in ranked lobbies and 40 kills in casual lobbies using recon.

The entire FPS genre breaks down when wallhacks become present - it's got nothing to do with "my version of an ideal fps".

@obsidian solar I don't think that would work on medium(since zip+pad are just better), but that would actually be a legit kickass option on heavy to give them a limited vertical mobility option, long as it's a bit slow and leaves them vulnerable so there's some risk involved, it would help them keep up with their light/medium teammates. As long as they can't shoot while flying

[fading yoke]

Apart from the rampant cheating & nuke, it's the biggest issue. Makes light class completely irrelevant. Can't do hit 'n run when you get wallhacked every time.

[pure salmon]

I said issues deriving from ranked modes shouldn't control the overall direction of balancing the gameplay experience.

If they could keep nerfs/buffs patches to only ranked keeping it separate from casual modes that would be ideal for me.

Ranked should craft it's own gameplay experience separate from casual modes.

I slightly agree with "beats it in the sense of having a slight advantage" because a complete rock/paper/scissors gameplay is unfair.

I think most opinions about nerfs and removals are from anger, skill, and competitive issues. I also think a lot of players are going into this game and expecting it to play like another game they might enjoy.

I also think most opinions are near-sighted and don't take into the domino effect that can happen from balancing issues.

The invis+DB combo was devastating until the AA patch and Recon counter.

The issue wasn't invisibility or the double barrel. It was aim assist and not being properly countered.

The invis+DB wasn't even a problem in ranked. Because light is rarely used in rank.

This was entirely a casual problem which was solved thankfully before invisibility or the weapon got nerfed.

Recon just needs to return to where it was before it's buff. They just need to roll back the patch on it.

C4 just needs to weigh down throwables, and all barrels need their health reduced. These changes help balance out the tactic without nerfing the heavy class itself.

Light needs 2 breach charges which would be fair and allow them to counter nuke as well.

Light needs more teamplay gadgets that would help make them more viable in ranked modes.

I enjoy the gameplay and wish to preserve it as close to it's initial experience.

I hope that Embark does too.

[opaque radish]

Think it’d be funny when the floor is lava modifier starts working a giant Nama tama gets cracked above the yolk drops and becomes the lava

[blissful bridge]

@tough kiln

It does require skill to use and good communication.

It doesn't shoot for you.

It doesn't move you.

It doesn't give information to the team.

It just gives you eyes.

The rest is entirely dependent on the player's own personal skill.

Activate recon and stand still. Let me know how that works out for you.

@fading yoke so your light hit and run tactics got countered by recon, so now you want recon changed.

Think about it.

[sage bison]

Recon is broken, if you don't agree ur a fucking idiot, in what other fps do you get 15 seconds of raw aim hacks with infinite range? How is that not the most broken thing you've ever heard? In a year if this game isn't dead we're all gonna laugh about recon and joke that it was incredibly fucking stupid.

[livid oasis]

While someone uses recon you also no longer have a support, no longer have a teammate who’s working WITH you, you no longer have the Healer you no longer have the cash out protector with the turrets you no longer have someone who is willing to defib you. When you run recon your play style becomes a lone wolf. This does not help the team but detriments it. It seems like most of your problem with recon comes from it already being somewhat of a preexisting hack. That should not make or break recon because it is a hack that already exists in other games. I agree with maybe it needs to be changed but a lot of people want it completely removed and that should not be the case.
@fickle vector I agree nerf it but don’t make it utterly useless that’s the only thing. As I said I’d hate for something to just become useless

[manic aspen]

then stop pretending that cheater problem is not big enough

[prisma ledge]

First match of the day. Dude is playing light class snipes me with a shotgun and shoots through shields 👏 👏 👏