💣┇weapons-gadgets

[sudden pewter]

A bandaid that completely fucks the balance of every other weapon in the game

[abstract kestrel]

Sword being bad may very well be unsolvable because of the nature of the game. Making sword alone good comes at the risk of making sword alone broken to the point of mass frustration

[compact tundra]

This i kinda firmly disagree with for obvious reasons but honestly I don't think the finals would be as unique and fun as it is without melee. Like the devs keep trying to make this a sweaty esports game, look at season 3 and 8 for proof, but I think if they just gave up on making it solely balanced around comp, and took a sorta TF2 approach (like TF2 but if valve actually still cared for the game) of keeping the game goofy and fun while helping the comp players run tournaments and keeping them in mind for balance, then honestly we could get best of both worlds

[outer crow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/856603795738722307/1425920121473470554/togif.gif

[sudden pewter]

I agree, the vast majority of players aren’t interested in Esports, I understand trickle down balance but Tournament Players/ ESPORTS Leagues play with a very narrow selection of weapons and gadgets that isn’t comparable to the casual scene in the slightest

At the very least (unlike TF2) what the high tier competitive players are playing is the same game as the casuals.

[outer crow]

majority in competitives games are usually casuals and game should be ballanced around them! 7 do not wait 1

[compact tundra]

That's fair, and honestly I'm ok with that, as someone who does like the esports and cares a lot about the higher elo balance, I still think ignoring the goofy casual gameplay is like an awful design idea for a game so clearly made around being a higher skill goofy sandbox shooter

[abstract kestrel]

Melee is good for being unique and Not a Gun™, that's a sentiment we can all relate to. But in practice, if you make the goofy melee weapon viable on it's own, it's historically stomped pubs worse than the double barrel. Melee weapons take a lot less mechanical skill to master.

@sudden pewter Well, you can learn a lot from what the Esports teams run. Especially in context of The Finals. The lack of variance is telling that there's some parts of a kit that are much more practically useful than the others.

[sudden pewter]

We’re all aware, yes

[compact tundra]

That's why usually I favor making melee an off meta type of viable, I don't want any mele weapon besides maybe sledge to be a meta pick but I think they can certainly be viable while still being not oppressive

Think like the minigun or lewis gun, they are viable off meta picks but don't dominate the casual lobbies

[abstract kestrel]

My ideal is for every weapon to be viable and the lines to be so blurred between the best and the worst that shock value alone could see the worst brought to tournaments and work.

[analog pewter]

make spear spin reduce incoming damage and create a small whirlwind that clears fire, smoke, and gas

[unkempt moss]

Nah, its a buns idea

[sudden pewter]

Spin clearing smoke or gas could be a neat utility I guess? Not sure it’s what the spin needs though

[unkempt moss]

That is actually a decent idea. If we're dead set against the addition of throw, it would be a good way to give it some utility as a dive weapon

[sudden pewter]

Right, but who is bunkering down in gas?

[unkempt moss]

I assumed it was more for covering steals.

[sudden pewter]

Clearing smoke from a cashout station could be good though

[sudden pewter]

I want you to know I held myself back from spewing for three hours about how I will never forgive valve for trying to turn the game competitive in a way that is completely antithetical to how the game behaved for nine years

I am fueled by pure spite and wrath

Fucked my beloved GRU because HEAVY TO MID

[analog pewter]

most of those changes comp players werent even asking for lmao

valve was so out of touch on every front

[shell sonnet]

make spear spin shove the objective more (again)

[sudden pewter]

Competitive TF2 players wanted an Official Competitive Mode even acknowledging that “Competitive TF2” includes only 4 (Demo, Soldier, Scout, Medic) of the 9 classes, and axes a fair few weapon unlocks because they break the format

Never forgive. Because once Valve was done bending the knee to competitive players (went so far as to invite them to Valve HQ) and ruining the entire game because of it, they retreated back to their insulated communities to play their version of the game again

[unkempt moss]

So spear 2.0 is

• M2 charges throw, M1 throws.
• Spin is moved to R, and now includes removal of gas and smoke.
• Holding space while sprinting charges the pole vault, releasing launches.

[sudden pewter]

Don’t forget lifesteal

[unkempt moss]

That's too far

[analog pewter]

one of spear's current uses is moving shit around, i think they should make it more consistent at moving objects in the direction the user is looking and allowing it to dislodge deployables and send them flying away

so like the spin wouldnt detonate mines but launch them away lol

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/king-kong-chest-pound-angry-rage-furious-gif-13202471

[analog pewter]

i dont think spear should be turned into a swiss army knife. they should add a swiss army knife instead

[sudden pewter]

Rather than adding a throw function to the spear making it a bastard hybrid weapon just add throwing javelin

[analog pewter]

spear is supposed to be the premier objective defense melee, I think it could also stand to be uniquely strong against traps to allow itself or its teammates to more safely take objectives. imagine if it could just counter C4 like that, preventing another heavy's stall operation

[unkempt moss]

The throw is coming whether you people want it or not. I believe in embark

[serene glade]

belief in embark? thats not possible

[sudden pewter]

I’ll eat my shorts if Embark makes it throwable. Embark is downright fucking stupid sometimes but I don’t think they’re that debauched and devoid of thought to believe that’s a good idea.

All this could be avoided if Embark just dropped a design doc outlining the intended niche for all the weapons

[unkempt moss]

Thats exactly why I know its coming, bud.

[sudden pewter]

You’re going to wake up in a Saw-esque traproom one of these days. There will be a deep dryer, a vat of batter, and you’ll be without pants.

[serene glade]

tbh i think that would solve a lot of issues is them dropping their current design philosophy in general so im with you on it. I know people say there is roles for classes in the game but especially with the lack of changes recent seasons and addition of healing for every class. It would be nice to see what they are actually thinking of, because im starting to believe they just stopped caring a certain season and fully outsourced balancing ideas to a free version of chat gpt

[sudden pewter]

Just COMMUNICATING would go so far

[serene glade]

DEV NOTES: 🤷‍♂️

[sudden pewter]

Hey Embark, what’s your vision for the game?

Hey Embark, where do you feel X weapon belongs ideally/otherwise in the ecosystem?

Hey Embark, what are the fundamental strengths/weaknesses of the archetypes you try to balance the game around?

Instead we get “The V9S has a 90% pickrate so we made it so that it takes an additional bullet to kill a Heavy”

[serene glade]

its actually still mind boggling to me that for a brand new MAJOR season patch they nerfed cooldowns of gadgets and buffed the range of a silenced pistol. oh yeah and made the lewis gun have one more damage iirc

brave and bold of them i guess

[polar cedar]

“sledge isn’t that good but you guys like it so we’re gutting it”

[serene glade]

"gateway cannibalizing zipline" when really the issue to a planted gateway on the cashout to run it quickly has minimal counter play. light glitch grenade BEFORE the gateway opens, and goo moving the box away from popping in. obviously gateway is strong in combat, but its still used the same in that regard with the range nerf, and people still place it on the cashout to instantly teleport 50+ meters and run the box asap instead of 70+. there just seems to be a disconnect entirely or they just arent smart idk

[unkempt moss]

My bedroom with a vat of batter

[serene glade]

im not gonna say teleporting the cashout is insanely broken, but that is obviously what majority of its usage was and its frustrating to not even be able to just grab the box as it pops up to most people

[indigo nexus]

your use of "the issue" here is curious to me. Why was that not an issue? The gateway's behaviour in ways which are unique to it should not be problematic.

[serene glade]

minimal counterplay is good, my bad

do you really think gateway was cannibalizing zipline

whats the risk of leaving a gateway over the cashbox

being blindly followed?

[analog pewter]

add a health bar to the gateway that reduces every time something teleports through it, so that it cant be used unlimited times during its duration and also so that throwing shit through it will deplete its uses

goo gun countering gateway by spamming it out lmao

[serene glade]

goo gun can already counter transporting the box but just moving it

[rough beacon]

Honestly maybe I just haven’t played the tracking dart enough but I have a good idea for a buff
They could change the mechanic slightly to where the dart tracks for a certain distance only (ex. 75 meters) but in return the player it tracks takes a small amount of damage when they move unless they go through a 1 sec animation to remove the dart
Thoughts?? 💭

[analog pewter]

sounds awful to play against

[rough beacon]

What’s the cooldown for it I forgot?

[sudden pewter]

My thought is that’s terrible and you should feel bad and maybe eat food.

[sudden pewter]

I like the idea of a health bar and lowering its health for throwing shit into it but I’d suggest making repeat uses (per player) decrease the health opposed to general use.

If a stinky Light leaves a gateway in a bad spot, I’d like a standard 3man team to be able to take advantage of it and be able to give chase without needing to worry about it not having enough health to get the entire team through it

[rough beacon]

Well the damage would be minimal like 5 hp every 10 meters WALKED dash and zip wouldn’t count

[sudden pewter]

No, bad. Stop.

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-bite-orange-cat-orange-cat-attack-gif-10142361798712867466

[rough beacon]

Breh stay open to ideas bro

[sudden pewter]

Good ideas

Not bad ones

[rough beacon]

Well do you think it needs a buff ?

[sudden pewter]

Tracking Darts? No.

[rough beacon]

Well I don’t see them viable anytime soon and I want it to be cuz it’s a cool gadget

[sudden pewter]

And if it did need buffs I wouldn’t turn it into an offbrand poison dart

It’s perfectly capable of doing what it’s intended to do. It tracks players flawlessly. It’s very viable, it’s just not popular

[rough beacon]

What if it’s something small like it can pierce?

Small buff that wouldn’t have that big of an impact

(Ok that buff would be useless tho I take it back)

[sudden pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/morpheus-believe-neo-beginning-to-believe-gif-5399492

[rough beacon]

Wha?

[wet night]

I have the dumbest idea

[sudden pewter]

You and 90% of #👂┇game-feedback

[rough beacon]

This is dead butt the best gc behind #🐱┇pet-channel

[stoic garden]

i have the coldest take

[sudden pewter]

Speak to it

[stoic garden]

🧊 🖐🏿

[sudden pewter]

I see

[unkempt moss]

This is why he only agrees with me.

[unkempt moss]

I think the fix for gateway counter play is just to make it so things cant just fall through the gateway. If someone doesnt throw or carry the vault through it just falls to the ground.

Then a team needs to actually stay and fight to make sure the vault makes it. Then it's not just oops sorry your light didnt have glitch grenades

[sudden pewter]

I’d like to see more counters to gateways

[unkempt moss]

GooGun, Glitch Grenade, and what else? Firing lockbolt through the gate?

[serene glade]

20m is a counter

[stoic garden]

you can also knock the vault away i guess

[unkempt moss]

Yeah, that's how googun does it.

[stoic garden]

let winch pass through it 🔥

[sudden pewter]

That would be fucking terrifying and also hilarious

[unkempt moss]

Youre going nowhere!

[stoic garden]

discord ai summary is still asss

[unkempt moss]

Seems based to me.

[sudden pewter]

Stinky Light
Based?

[hexed tulip]

yes

[rough beacon]

We still talking about gate ?

[unkempt moss]

Anything for you

[rough beacon]

Well I thought because earlier someone was talking about breaking the gateway maybe instead of that the first portal is breakable BUT only if the second one isn’t placed or “activated”

This would let people who find the first one that someone set to get out of a tricky situation destroy it and reset the cooldown of the gateway

Just an idea but maybe this isn’t enough

[abstract kestrel]

Give tracking dart back to medium?

[unkempt moss]

I legitimately think just making the vault not fall through the gateway fixes a lot of the issues with it. The vault being set and forget outside of a couple gadgets is dumb. Make the gateway team be active in the play, not just stand there with their thumb up their ass.

[unkempt moss]

Its in my patch, so yes

[drowsy radish]

Sword is best gang

[drowsy radish]

YES IT IS

[fiery thunder]

Too much value for too little effort. Pretty much everyone agrees with this

[sudden pewter]

I agree but I’m far from everyone

[heady helm]

Pretty new to the game, I only played the minigun for a bit and just tried the sword, night and day difference the sword is pretty easy to use

[unkempt moss]

They larp as movement masters on the sword. If you've ever played doomfist or Winston you can do the elite sword movement tech

If you can imagine it used to be even easier

[heady helm]

The movement with the sword is nutty

What’s a good weapon for medium? So far I hadn’t liked the base ones

[unkempt moss]

Whats the coolest looking weapon on medium to you?

[analog pewter]

famas, repeater, model 1887, fcar are all good

[heady helm]

I like how the Cerberus and the CL-40 look but I don’t like actually using them

[analog pewter]

get the skin for the model that makes it so u flip it like the terminator

[atomic fjord]

Buff all melee weapons and make them harder to use

[unkempt moss]

What about them makes you not like using them?

[analog pewter]

increase the pike mag size to 15 and slightly reduce its recoil and the current damage would be fine i think

[heady helm]

I’ll give the model a try Thank you !

[heady helm]

Honestly every game I’ve used them I got dumpster on, don’t think I’ve given them a fair shot, but also 4+ games of hard losing with them makes me think it might be the gun

[unkempt moss]

If its not the gun then youre in luck. That means we get the opportunity to improve. Your cerberus is my SA. You gotta want it. You gotta love the taste of defeat because it means you were blessed with the space to get better than you were.

Losing means we showed up. And if you show up with the intent to improve, that means you're not a loser.

Dont ask what weapon can give you easy wins. They're hollow. Ask yourself what you can do to maximize your potential. If you think the cerberus is cool, get your ass beat until you dont. You're your own meta.

[analog pewter]

on offense
winning point break match
literally on the very last objective to win
3 teammates leave
no backfills

what a fucking disappointment. we were cooking
i was using the pike and went 24-15 with 14 assists

sidenote but the pike is definitely not dead, i legit just think it needs a little more ammo

the current balance point feels quite good but it runs out too quickly for the amount of shots required to kill with it. definitely raise its mag size to like 15 and it'd be aces

[slow linden]

I can't explain it,I don't know why though it could be placebo,the cl40 feels way better to use with the jank pack than the actual animations,it feels way more responsive and reliable

[analog pewter]

i felt this way with the model when I bought the eclipse shade skin. the flip cycling just makes it so much easier to place my shots somehow

might just be a morale thing. you enjoy the aesthetics of the gun you're using more so you enjoy using it more so you feel more pumped

[wild zenith]

because its easier to tell how fast it can fire

with the default animations, you arent sure, so your err on the side of caution to prevent buffered inputs, and thus fire slower

[slow linden]

Fair enough

[slow linden]

I also run the eclipse shade model and dough rangler,they make the model better for some reason

Also side note the gatling gun skin for the minigun feels slightly more stable,like to the most arbitrary degree

[icy egret]

I did try the C4, I felt like I struggle to get much use out of it. I know where I should use it, but it just didn't get many kills.

So now it's up in the air what I should put in that slot

I feel like I should bring something with destruction, but I don't like the RPG-7 or the C4, and those are the main gadgets for that

[icy egret]

?

[analog pewter]

C4 is great for the specific purpose of stalling the cashout risklessly
if you're not playing cashout it loses a lot of value, but in cashout it's invaluable. if your heavy is alive with C4 on the box, they can effectively stall any steal attempt

it's decent for setting up traps and destroying cover or creating routes or whatever but its utility above the RPG is stalling for sure

[analog pewter]

use the RPG trust, it's good for damn near everything

my rpg is practically always on cooldown cause I never run out of reasons to use it

[icy egret]

You say as if I haven't used it. I don't like how it finds the tiniest pixel of anything to blow up right in your face all the time

Then suddenly I have the health of a light.

[analog pewter]

that's a problem I haven't rly experienced much personally

[serene glade]

It sounds like you haven't used it right tbh

[analog pewter]

you might be trying to peek shoot with it too much?

also ADS with it, it has a lot of hipfire bloom which can cause it to blow up on stuff near you if it's near your crosshair

[eager wasp]

not really for kills, just to open up walls and stall cash

the kills are a bonus if they happen

[slow linden]

You should run it with Pyro mines and barricades and goo gun,leave spaces open enough for people to be forced into hidden mines (you should really use explosive mine instead of c4 for this,put the c4 on the cashout with mines,wait for someone to steal,set off your nuke)

[icy egret]

For that it's good, I guess. I've mostly been on refuge from Cashout because every time I play a Tournement, this is my team

I admit I'm not that good either, but I'm better than.. this.

It is extremely consistenly always new players, and makes me really dislike playing the game.

So I've just been in Quickplay mostly

[analog pewter]

i basically only play h2h and point break lately

[icy egret]

I've mostly been for Point Break. It has flaws, but it's still fun

[analog pewter]

I'm surprised at how much it doesn't feel random but really feels like the coalescence of each team's coordination and skill. you can really strategize if you get the right team

pulling off plays in it feels rewarding as hell

[icy egret]

https://youtu.be/sn4WhfN-bFU flaws meaning mostly stuff like this, otherwise it's completely fine.

[icy egret]

I agree.

MGL and CL are too strong in the mode and probably should be removed, but it's fine otherwise

[unkempt moss]

Grenade launchers deserve a mode to be strong in. DO NOT put this evil in the world.

[analog pewter]

yeah im glad that they get a mode where they can shine

[icy egret]

They shine arguably a little too much.

[analog pewter]

same way that spear and flame actually have a niche in power shift

[unkempt moss]

Flame, Mini, MGL all feel very strong in PB. The world is healing.

[icy egret]

At least nerf the destruction.

[analog pewter]

minigun feels really good this season period, I'm a huge fan. I was already using it since season 7 but i feel like the reduced presence of winch has been really enabling for mini

[analog pewter]

i do think that it sucks when people can spam MGL from inside the safety of their spawn region. but idk what the solution would be

[icy egret]

This too. It's my 2nd favourite weapon behind the Akimbos.

[serene glade]

Blame "improved destruction" for the stupid pile up of debris. But I don't think launchers are the reason for the buildings collapsing

[analog pewter]

its the fact there are 16 people all with their own destructive tools (and canisters) on maps where buildings dont have any more health than usual

I kinda love the jungle gym-esque debris piles. on horizon it's genuinely a treat when the middle building is reduced to a huge rubble pile and everyone's fighting over cover in a terrifying open field

[icy egret]

I can imagine a few solutions. Add a forcefield perhaps 10 meters away from each spawn zone so one team can't literally put it right on the border for a free win. FYI the defending team can actually push a box all the way into their zone and just auto win because it's literally impossible for the attackers to capture it.

[analog pewter]

monaco might be my least favorite of the point break maps now that I've played enough of the mode. Bernal is just fine, while horizon is a treat

[icy egret]

You'd think they'd put something in to prevent that, but no.

[analog pewter]

iirc they already patched that

[icy egret]

Did they?

[slow linden]

The destruction is hardly anything in practice,and you never really destroy what you want to with mgl,just everything else

[analog pewter]

i think its supposed to teleport the cashout back to its spawn point

[icy egret]

It's the "just everything else" part that's the problem here.

It takes like a minute for an entire building to be destroyed at most by 1-3 players.

[slow linden]

If they blow up all the cover except what they're aiming at then they will have no cover themselves

[serene glade]

How are you dying to mgl just jump away bro

[icy egret]

Please practice reading comprehension skills, then try the mode a few times, then come back, please.

[slow linden]

I think his complaint is that now that there is no building everyone else can shoot him

[icy egret]

Who is reasonably going to do that?

[serene glade]

No

[icy egret]

She/her, please. 😄

[slow linden]

That's how the mgl works,everything except what you point it directly at goes boom

[unkempt moss]

Now you did it

[slow linden]

Uh oh

[icy egret]

Exactly, it destroys everything. You can find angles where it doesn't destroy your own cover easily, it happens.

[serene glade]

I know the complaints, it's just funny seeing actual complaints about the worst weapon in the game. Even in point break it's not anything special

[slow linden]

My fault gng

[icy egret]

It's alright. 🙂

[slow linden]

A little bit yeah but it's better to educate rather than belittle most of the time

[serene glade]

The time for education is over

[unkempt moss]

Since when?

[eager wasp]

dagger 🥀

[icy egret]

You clearly do not understand why people are complaining about it, nor have you played the mode for an extended period of time recently. The MGL is one of the best weapons in Point Break, it is how it is.

[serene glade]

[unkempt moss]

Great, now Moss is sad

[serene glade]

I'm sorry you're right tbh 🧎‍♂️

[icy egret]

[slow linden]

This is coming from a notorious shit talker,I am an asshole,but there's stupidity which should be made fun of and there's ignorance which can be cured

[unkempt moss]

Which one are we working with here?

[slow linden]

Give it back 😭

[serene glade]

The buildings are gonna get flattened in point break if there is 0 grenade launchers in your game

[unkempt moss]

Im just joshing guys please dont ban me

[icy egret]

I do know that the MGL is a bad weapon outside of Point Break, in Point Break specifically it is really good for being able to just get rid of a building while keeping protection for you and your team.

[serene glade]

Damn a red X, I am defeat

[unkempt moss]

Nice try dumb fuck

[icy egret]

I've also seen games without grenade launchers, it's not nearly as bad.

[slow linden]

I work for the betterment of the game,if someone is just misinformed I will help them,if they are willfully ignorant and seek to corrupt and nerf the fun out of the game then I will ridicule and gatekeep until they leave

[unkempt moss]

I said I was joshing

[slow linden]

I am a slow typer gng I am watching a warhammer lore vid

[unkempt moss]

Please! Do not ban me!

[icy egret]

This is true. But something should be done, too many games are made literally impossible for the attackers because of grenade launchers on the defending team.

[icy egret]

Like in the video I sent, the enemy team was sitting in the Cathedral where we literally could not kill them, and only came out because of us trying to get the point. Which is in the open because of the Grenade Launchers

[slow linden]

Take out their high ground and the grenade launchers will be less usable

[unkempt moss]

Nah, that idea is buns

[slow linden]

I will smite you

[icy egret]

You most certainly do not need that defence for the grenade launchers to be really good, but it would make it less annoying if you could fight back.

Good idea. You get the Hannah seal of approval. ✅

[serene glade]

I didn't even know there was other maps in point break. I've played on bernal 10/10 times. Also that video they seriously put high ground over seeing a cash out that's in spawn. I'm sorry but embark has to be some of the dumbest mother fuckers on earth

[analog pewter]

what if the MGL had a fixed 2 second fuse but you could hold M1 to "cook" the grenade and fire it on a reduced fuse time based on the time cooked. and it would still detonate after 1 bounce like normal

[icy egret]

🤷‍♀️

[unkempt moss]

People will do anything but add my MGL idea in

[slow linden]

High ground is the best position for grenade launchers,if they are trapped in rubble or on the ground with no structures they're nearly a free kill,cl40 takes a lot to break walls and is best used at shotgun range and isn't super viable in point break

[analog pewter]

which is

mgl should be changed to work exactly like tf2 demoman grenade launcher. 4 second fuse, rolls on the ground, reduced damage on rollers, but explodes on direct hit for high damage

[unkempt moss]

The MGL fires sticky grenades that are detonates with M2. But by firing them and then hitting M2 you can airburst them or detonate early

[serene glade]

Bombking lookin ass

[analog pewter]

i do not want sticky spam in the finals 😭

[serene glade]

[slow linden]

Nah,primary shoots,secondary detonates it instantly for airbursts (I just want an XM25 punisher)

[icy egret]

Sticky spam in the Finals. My heavy main ass would not survive

[analog pewter]

i want the xm25 as well but id rather it be like in MW3 where pressing something while ADS chooses the burst distance based on what you were aiming at. that shit was so cool

[serene glade]

Make it so my mgl shot doesn't do 1 damage sometimes and I'll take that as a W. This rework has been going on for quite a while tho. They must have something massive planned

[unkempt moss]

Its not spam. You get rewarded for accuracy. Sticks do more damage, aoe does less.

[analog pewter]

if its like tf2 grenade launcher it will easily become my main

[unkempt moss]

So you want it to take 4s to detonate?

[analog pewter]

and explode on direct hit and have reduced player damage on rollers

[unkempt moss]

Rollers?

[analog pewter]

grenades that touch the ground would roll instead of exploding or bouncing

[icy egret]

What if we added a sword for light that reduced your HP by -25 and didn't allow critical hits, but every kill gives you +15 health and a speed boost, up to 4 stacks. Apart from your dash which goes up to 5.

[slow linden]

Need

[analog pewter]

imagine the xm25 is the light grenade launcher

[unkempt moss]

And this is fun?

[slow linden]

Would still be timed and bouncy,detonation would boom all nades tho

[analog pewter]

absolutely, it emphasizes direct-hit skill while still being useful for destruction and laying retreating traps

[unkempt moss]

Okay. Just go with this then.

[analog pewter]

i love you demonstrations man grenade launcher so much

[serene glade]

No rocket jumps bud. Heavy doesn't need movement tools, only options

[analog pewter]

well we dont need the rocket jumps lol i just like that clip

[serene glade]

I've never seen actual gameplay of TF2. Can't say that anymore 😞

[unkempt moss]

I mean this game is cooked. Just copy TF2 so they can have their high-school football glory days again.

[analog pewter]

[icy egret]

They already added the Spy from TF2 into the light class.

[unkempt moss]

Fellas, remember back when everything was better because we had less responsibility. God i need that again

[serene glade]

I'm down to remove destruction from the mgl and give it a minimum damage threshold. Ill be a happy lil fella with that alone

[icy egret]

Who's suggesting removing destruction from the MGL??

[serene glade]

I am?

[unkempt moss]

The person right above you

[icy egret]

They are.

[unkempt moss]

Him...

[icy egret]

I would have to agree, thank you.

[serene glade]

I don't like the destruction

[unkempt moss]

Why

[icy egret]

Feel free to add your input in #👂┇game-feedback, where people will utterly roast you for any opinion you have. While you're there, you can see the delirium of "Modern FPS players."

[serene glade]

I use game feedback to dunk on Sri Lankans. But I mean lining up say bankshotting your mgl shots perfectly somewhere to have it break a wall in what 4 shots is kinda annoying. Obviously I get why it has it so idc but it would be way more spammable in buildings which is fun

[slow linden]

Then gutted both cloak and dagger because because fuck fun

[icy egret]

On that note, it miffs me that my favourite weapon currently is just a worse version of the BFR Titan

[slow linden]

I wouldn't call it worse now

[icy egret]

Ah yes. 85 -> 82 RPM, wow.

[unkempt moss]

Homie would, get over it.

[slow linden]

Used to be,but now it does good damage,goes where you point it and can breach,titan is reliant on headshots if you want to do anything more than stomp lights

Ks23 can't hit headshots although it really should

[icy egret]

Ohoohoo. The Akimbos are probably more reliant on headshots that almost any other weapon, maybe arguably less than the revolver.

[slow linden]

Ks actually does what it's supposed to now

[unkempt moss]

Please dont ban me.

[serene glade]

Someone ban this fucker

[icy egret]

(My favouirte weapon are the Akimbos, not the KS)

[serene glade]

Holy the trophy shooting was elite

[unkempt moss]

I'm begging you not to. I can reform my ways

[slow linden]

Ohhhh,the akimbos are easier to use tho,you just spam them down from any range and they die,ks23 would have been a fairer comparison,titan and deagles feel completely different

[unkempt moss]

Yeah I thought it was repeater. Crazy.

Deagles?

[icy egret]

They're not that fast. 😢 They do require accuracy

[serene glade]

The deagles don't work unless you have the banana skin equipped

[icy egret]

Fuck. Guess I'm dropping some money then. 😔

[unkempt moss]

They dont work because the titan is in the game.

[slow linden]

Much faster than titan,can out trade a lot of things due to their speed,titan requires more movement close to mid range to not be atomized

[icy egret]

You'd make it seem like the Akimbos are better than the Titan.

[slow linden]

No

[unkempt moss]

I wouldn't compare the two at all

[icy egret]

I guess that's accurate, and maybe I am stretching it.

[slow linden]

Not better,just the easier pick,but again they fill different roles,one is burst and the other is sustain

[icy egret]

I wouldn't classify the Akimbos as a burst weapon unless you're very consistent at headshots. It's not hard at close range I guess.

They're comparable to the revolver in being very reliant on headshots for its magnificence.

[unkempt moss]

He isnt either. I think he means titan is burst as in burst damage. And sustain for the larger magazine size on the 50s

[icy egret]

..I misinterpreted it then, sorry.

[unkempt moss]

I could be wrong obviously. But I'll let him clarify.

[slow linden]

The other way around,the titan does burst damage,as in a lot at once,the deagles do moderate damage and are quite rapid,so sustain

[serene glade]

[spring spear]

simpsons spotify logo

[unkempt moss]

I dont understand that reference.

[icy egret]

Hm. Either way, I like the Akimbos. Very fun

[spring spear]

the simpsons are yellow just like the spotify logo in that picture

[unkempt moss]

Well done spotting that.

[serene glade]

Playing something because it's fun is based

[slow linden]

You know what? Frick you. One full minute of ac6 pvp gameplay

[icy egret]

Oh shit, my name is yellow! I'm from The Simpsons.

[serene glade]

More people should do that

[icy egret]

I mean, I'm not going to play a game if I'm not having fun.

Having fun in my spare time is my priority.

So I'll play with the weapon I find fun for the play session.

[serene glade]

You'd be surprised seeing the amount of people coming in here saying "I like this gun but I'm losing, what's the exact load out I should use"

[unkempt moss]

The finals isnt a fun game anymore. Thats what Arc Raiders is for.

[serene glade]

Esports only here Mr embark plant. No fun talks have been happening.

[spring spear]

i hope next esports season next year kills the game for 3 months so embark never does esports again

[unkempt moss]

Oscar emailed me earlier. He said we're trying separate THE FINALS from fun as an identifying factor. Dynamism is the word I should be using.

[serene glade]

Esports is a vital part of the finals and is here to stay. They are gonna bring out lawn chairs again and lie about it being successful

Sorry, VITAL

[spring spear]

well it was successful i just dont think the success of 1 event justifies the lack of balance patches throughout 3 months

then again when we finally did get a balance patch they didnt touch repeater and didnt nerf bfr enough so whatever
at least mesh is back in the meta

[serene glade]

Was it successful. It had like 13k viewers when I saw it was live and I also saw they had drops on to entice people to be in the stream.

[spring spear]

20k when i watched which is pretty big for a brand new esport scene but a lot more people than they expected showed up in person

[serene glade]

Also making the game stale because of Esports HAD to have lost them out on playerbase buying skins

Because I mean I stopped playing because of that, id imagine others did as well

[spring spear]

it lost a lot of people in general, and their excuse of it being due to esports is a pretty poor one

[unkempt moss]

I hope it works out for them.

[icy egret]

Reading this when TF2 is my only other FPS is... Hm.

[spring spear]

like they didnt have an esports-exclusive client in case something broke with an update?
and who cares if a balance patch disrupts esports, theyre professionals they can adapt

[icy egret]

No balance since Blue Moon, please Valve.

[icy egret]

I smell SAM.

[spring spear]

only for the the passtime achievements because i hated that gamemode

[unkempt moss]

Im convinced THE FINALS is a refugee camp for TF2 at this point.

[icy egret]

The YouTube achievements as well.

[icy egret]

I still play TF2. I'm a lot better at it than The Finals so it's easier to stomp in.

[serene glade]

I'm perfectly fine with Esports and fine with a company supporting it if they want. But when the company that's been successful just being a casual shooter decides to hault the balance changes keeping the game fresh and leaning into balancing around Esports has to be the dumbest thing Ive ever seen

[spring spear]

i got some of those legit, but it was years ago

[icy egret]

They've been broken for well over a decade, must've been some time ago. And the top one requires 100,000, wacky.

[spring spear]

the 100k one i definitely used sam for but i mean yeah I got them when the replay update came out I've had the game since 2009

[icy egret]

I wish for a update. I hope the MvM update is actually going somewhere.

Its been nearly 2 months since the said release date (They said around Halloween, if I'm not mistaken).

Not sure if it's true, but I heard rumours of an updated engine.

[spring spear]

doubtful unless theyre just updating the source fork of tf2 itself

[icy egret]

🤷‍♀️ I just want the Heavy update at this point, I'd be fine if they just never touched the game except for maintenance and bug fixes after that. Of course I'd want more, but... Can't be greedy with Valve.

[spring spear]

i dont hold out hope for any tf2 update at this point

[icy egret]

Why so? Doomer mentality or?

[unkempt moss]

Im assuming that since youre wishing for an update that they aren't the most reliable. Id imagine he's feeling similar.

[icy egret]

We get small patches and bug fixes, but no balance or general changes

Last balance was Blue Moon, nearly a decade ago.

[spring spear]

we havent really had a sizeable update (outside of mvm or events) in ages and even the comic took literal years to finish even though chapters were suppossed to come out every 2-4 months
valve are the kings of taking their time

[unkempt moss]

Id have to assume that has something to do with it...

[icy egret]

I think personally that Valve just doesn't have enough employees. And TF2's spaghetti engine.

[spring spear]

i dont even really care for balance updates in tf2 tbh theres nothing that needs a dire nerf and usually the stock weapons are the best options

[spring spear]

its more so that the people that used to work in tf2 either are no longer on the company or moved onto other projects

[unkempt moss]

What are you wanting from them then?

[icy egret]

I can think of a few weapons that need nerfs, and many weapons that need dire buffs. And some classes that need new weapons.

[icy egret]

This is also true.

[spring spear]

optimization mostly but optimization doesnt sell as well as cosmetics so i dont hold out hope

[unkempt moss]

Had 3 ever come up?

[icy egret]

I want balance and new weapons. Doesn't even have to be big updates, just "here, here's a few new weapons."

[spring spear]

the reason i stopped playing tf2 has moreso to do with meet your match changing the way joining a game works, i hate the queue system and it took all the valve servers

before youd just pop the server browser pick a server and you were in
now unless theres community servers in your area you have to use the queue system that takes forever

[unkempt moss]

Maybe Team Fortress 3 will be a launch title for GabeCube

[icy egret]

(for context, the Meet your Match update tried to update the old game finding system from "here's a server list, choose one" or "queue for a random server", to something more like competitive shooters and The Finals have with our queueing systems.)

eSports was all the rage at the time, and TF2's built in ranked flopped harder than any other ranked mode I've seen.

[spring spear]

yeah they didnt take any of the feedback given by players in the comp community during beta so it released in a bad state and then everyone stopped playing it

[icy egret]

I'm personally fine with the new system, though I think we should have access to both.

[unkempt moss]

Is this why so many TF2 players are jaded about esports?

[icy egret]

Having access to both would be the best middle ground, imo.

[spring spear]

well the comp community was extremely small even before valve acknowledged it so maybe

[unkempt moss]

Esports ruined my favorite genre, so I can relate.

[icy egret]

eSports do have a reputation for killing PvP modes. Happened to sPvP in my favourite game Guild Wars 2.

[wild zenith]

so the "reduced stun" for the winch seems to be the "freeze" before it starts pulling. So it basically just starts pulling the target quicker. Both the target and user regain control faster than before

[icy egret]

Not sure, haven't used Winch this season. Mesh buffs were an even harder nerf to Winch because people using Mesh means less using Winch

And Mesh is inherently a less frustrating specialization to fight, hence less frustration.

[wild zenith]

im not sure, but it feels like the gap between when the user and target regain control has become wider, making the pull more advantageous when youre alone

there is less time for your team to hit them while they are stunned, but you have a bigger advantage individually

[icy egret]

I guess. I think the buff to Mesh did more for nerfing the Winch than the actual Winch nerfs did.

I've seen Winch a lot less.

[serene glade]

Alex is coming bud

[unkempt moss]

Will he save fighting games?

[spring spear]

arcsys has left us
theres no one left that could save

[serene glade]

Ronaldo will make fatal fury take off (it didn't take off)

[spring spear]

that is such a terrible guest character to pick but i know the reason he got in is 100% because of saudi money

[serene glade]

Unironically one of the coolest designed characters ive seen in a fighting game tho to give the saudis some credit

The ball mechanic is elite

[spring spear]

the way he plays is good i just hate that its ronaldo of all people

[serene glade]

It was definitely a rushed addition considering he came in with no single player story or colors on release

It was one of my favorite fighting games to release in recent time. Just really enjoyed the gameplay but it's definitely hard to get a fighting game to stick these days. Street fighter is only thriving as well as it does because of battle hub/Japanese community

Probably also it's simplicity in gameplay but battle hub is definitely carrying a ton of the playerbase it feels like

[plucky dew]

what is the best wweapons for heavy ''

[unkempt moss]

Alex will save us in early spring.

Theyre totally not going to butcher his theme

[unkempt moss]

Probably shak

Or m60 for new players.

[analog pewter]

WHEN'S MAKOTO

I have so little interest in streets until they stop ignoring my baby girl

[serene glade]

Ingrid will save the streets

[unkempt moss]

Sf3 is taboo.

[serene glade]

Twelve is coming, 3rd strike will not be forgotten

[unkempt moss]

If 12 makes it in before the Hugo/Alex rematch the world is not healing.

[analog pewter]

They should add a skin to the deagles that makes them a pair of seven shot revolvers like the ruger gp100

[icy egret]

Depends on your goal/playstyle

[analog pewter]

Shak, sa12 mainly

[icy egret]

But I'd optimize for what you have fun with, to be honest. Personal skill usually matters much more than weapon choice. (For most levels of play)

[analog pewter]

Lewis is getting notice this season too

[fallow hinge]

isnt because its buffed a bit

[icy egret]

That'd be interesting, for sure

Currently I'm running Coral Striker. Fits with my character's whole red motiff

[subtle rover]

.

[hardy dust]

Shak, sa12, bfr

[dense tendon]

When is national flamethrower day?

[jade laurel]

Barricades poo

[cerulean furnace]

dawg I need the Dual Blades deflect way more reliable, how tf do you miss multiple deflects while both people are not moving and the crosshair is on the guy 😭

It's been so many times recently. Even noticed that my swings are just not being read at all

[cerulean furnace]

Oh yea and also the glitch where the winched opponents inputs are not being read entirely for the one second they regain their control again

[copper hazel]

bow pretty much can be played in high elo lobbies though

[cerulean furnace]

Also is it me or is the supposed charge for Dual Blades just nonexistant at times, despite being in range?

Might be a ping issue, all I see is me being like 3m away from my target while sprinting and it doesn't proc

[hardy dust]

High elo =/= comp

You can run anything in high elo and do fine with it

[grim steeple]

Suggest a light bulid plz

[wild zenith]

m26 matter and pyro nades

[icy egret]

Cloak, Dagger, Nullifier, Sonar, Vanishing Bomb

I call it "The Spy from TF2", and it doesn't work at all

[grim steeple]

I used it and it's kinda hard

[grim steeple]

I used and it's cool but did they nerf the dagger ? The charge is not hitting the enemy and if it hits , it counts like normal click i mean it doesn't damage well

[icy egret]

I was joking.

[umbral drift]

Stun gun had the worst rework in the history of reworks

[stone briar]

Hm

[sweet thistle]

Definitely not the worst. If i'm outnumbered 3v1 or 2v1 I can nullify one, kill the other, and then go back to kill the nullified one.

I would not have been able to if this was the old stungun.

[sweet thistle]

Sniper + dash + gate + infuser + vanish/gas/frag/vortex

[gloomy shoal]

what team is 5F

[unkempt moss]

Im so tired of people slandering lights best play maker. The nullifier is insane if you dont just use it as a stun gun replacement 1:1

[outer crow]

its just not broken as hell like it used to be before

[sweet thistle]

Exactly

Old stungun was basically given to heavies with their clawshot 💀 thanks embark

I'm ok with clawshot holding the person for a bit longer but it should definitely not stun the player so they can't attack.

[unkempt moss]

If lights dont like it id gladly take it on heavy.

[vocal arch]

Grapple, the mp5 clone, pyro and normal grenade and impact bore

It's not meta at all but it's really good regardless

[unkempt moss]

Its your people complaining about it, not mine.

[vocal arch]

Grenades control where enemies can go, impact can give flank routes or suprise people, and the mp5 is a really strong gun if you can hit headshots

[outer crow]

I am not light mainer

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-emoji-emoji-chorando-emoji-cry-cry-gif-25060390

[unkempt moss]

Your people not mine lmayo. Heavies instantly see the nullifier value as crowd control.

[vocal arch]

Because of the lower damage and lower health I have no issue with lights getting "broken" stuff, it's when heavies get annoying stuff that annoys me

[sweet thistle]

Definitely

[vocal arch]

Even mediums, riot shield is stupid but it's easy to escape so idm, but like before they nerfed the heavies flamethrower if someone was playing it I'd just leave the match

[outer crow]

how its stupid?

[spring spear]

i dont like street fighter im unsalvageable

[vocal arch]

It's just annoying, really easy to get assists with if you hem people in and let your team get them

[vocal arch]

HOLY SHIT XENOS?????

[outer crow]

U heavy player?

[sweet thistle]

I think riot shield is fine. Goo gun too. I'm just annoyed with the winch claw

[vocal arch]

Wait solsturne xenos???

[unkempt moss]

Its hard to like these days. Can't blame you.

[spring spear]

i have to pee

[spring spear]

why does both that name and your name sound familiar

[vocal arch]

I main light movement builds and focus on strategy, breaking crowds apart and confusing people when they're by themself, but I tried playing medium riot shield build and it's so easy to farm assists with

[spring spear]

I liked 3rd strike if that counts

[vocal arch]

Remember Kevin, that guy you were supposed to fight in some desert but he never showed up

[sweet thistle]

I'm light sword main

[vocal arch]

Swords are so meta but they're fairly easy to combat as long as you don't get swarmed so idm them

[sweet thistle]

Girl they are definitely not "meta". Sword is not able to compete unless you're insanely good with it

[outer crow]

the only i agree about is that sword are so meta

[spring spear]

what the fuck i remember that lmao i made someone so mad they wanted to fight me irl

[vocal arch]

It's the least skilled light weapon, it's pretty fun tho, if everyone on the enemy team is playing heavy then I use sword cause it's basically free

[gloomy gorge]

I got like 50 kills in my game right now🔥

[outer crow]

https://tenor.com/view/praise-emoji-images-emoji-gif-gif-17358268906244408273

[vocal arch]

xD that selfie of his is still a server emoji yk

[vocal arch]

Most I ever got was like 30 I think so that's really impressive

[sweet thistle]

It's the least skilled light weapon - if you play casually or low ranked...

If you play diamond 1, diamond 2, ruby... No... Sword is 90% outplayed cause it's so easy to predict

[gloomy gorge]

Just kiding i got like 20 kills

[vocal arch]

I'm not great at the finals, but it's the only fps I'm not shit at

[outer crow]

and the most broken melee in casual/low ranked

[vocal arch]

I only play casual tdm, as I said I'm not very good at the game

[spring spear]

if its the drawing someone else did it lol

[sweet thistle]

Yes is casual I agree

[sweet thistle]

Okay that explains ur perspective on sword. It's onay

[outer crow]

when i met light swordmans in opponents, my gameplay mood always dropped to zero.

[vocal arch]

Like I said idm the sword, my opinion comes purely from when I used it

[sweet thistle]

Woopsie

[outer crow]

absolutely disgusting to play against

[vocal arch]

It's easy to combat you just gotta hope you don't get swarmed

[spring spear]

@vocal arch i do remember that place now and i think i remember you aswell
i kinda regret trolling the place as hard as i did there really was no reason for me to but either way that server kinda ran its course so
anyway thanks for reminding me i giggled like an idiot due to the kevin thing just now

[vocal arch]

Lol it's no worries, nobody there is like worth talking to now it's not dead but it died, iykwim

[sweet thistle]

I wish sniper was not given the bullet drop past 40 meters or whatever it is

Repeater shoots twice as fast with similar damage

[spring spear]

Yeah I get it and thats practically what i meant before i left

[vocal arch]

I main the smg so it's never been an issue for me

Best gun in the game, not meta but damn it feels meta

[spring spear]

repeater is stupid and needs nerfing just like bfr embarl had 3 months to come up with a nerf for both yet left repeater alone and only nerfed repeater's firerate slightly
those things are dominating ranked atm

[vocal arch]

The damage drop is horrendous and it has the most recoil of any light gun but if you hit head shots it eats through health

[spring spear]

light this season is scary as fuck because you can just get 2tapped out of nowhere in some maps

[outer crow]

firerate needs to be nerfed more then

[spring spear]

the firerate was never the issue anyway it was the damage, range and hipfire accuracy, that nerf did nothing

[outer crow]

well if u say so....

[unkempt moss]

Do you want them to three tap lights instead?

[outer crow]

No of course

[spring spear]

at the range bfr has yes

if it 2tapped close range thatd be whatever but being able to 2tap at 70m+ is stupid

really i just hate long range poke meta though its the most boring and miserable meta in any fps
i know im not alone in this since practically everyone has been feeling thisnfor the past 3 seasons

[outer crow]

light can easilly avoid damage on distance

if he somehow dies at far - its only problems in him

[unkempt moss]

Whats the minimum damage the BFR can do?

[spring spear]

you cant avoid hitscan lol you can try to make your movement more erratic to try to make people miss but at high level specially everyones an aimer

[unkempt moss]

Like at full range.

[spring spear]

also these arent just issues for light either theyre issues for h and m aswell

[outer crow]

light cant only on open areas and if repeater user "ideally" tracks light and kills him

remind me how much there are open maps or open areas on most maps in game in general?

[spring spear]

yeah no shit that is what im saying, when everyone has decent aim then you cant just "avoid" damage you have to take cover thag is precisely what a long range poke meta is

[spring spear]

you can create open areas through destruction in this game so uh potentially everywhere?

[outer crow]

at late game usually

[spring spear]

also 80

[vocal arch]

Lot of maps where the gameplay takes place across rooftops aswell, so although it's not "open" if you actually wanna play the game then you have to go somewhere where youre visible from across map to snipers

[unkempt moss]

So you want to see the range modifier increased?

[outer crow]

or u would need 6 heavies with charge abillity

[spring spear]

no always
we all watched the majors and weve all played the rooftop maps

[spring spear]

you only need an explosive canister to make enough of a sightline

[unkempt moss]

I didnt watch the majors sorry

[outer crow]

ballancing game around tops is shizophrenia, never ends good usually

[vocal arch]

Sniper is a super easy meta, I have a shit aim but it's so generous with the hit box it's easier to hit people than it is to miss

Especially light sniper players, I actually stopped playing that cause it got too easy

[spring spear]

its the best way to balance this game unless you want to start nerfing things like flamethrower or cl40 because casuals complain about it

[unkempt moss]

It sounds like harshening the range modifier to do less at range would fix that he wants instead of the raw damage nerf he proposed.

[vocal arch]

I have horrendous aim for context and yet I aim snapping is sooo fucking easy playing light sniper

[spring spear]

if we didnt balance around top level youd have top level players stomping casual lobbies with high level weapons like repeater and bfr oh wait

[sweet thistle]

I agree

[outer crow]

Top levels already terrorize casual matches anyway so not news for me

[sweet thistle]

I was there in person holding up this sign:

[vocal arch]

Nerf long range in general

[unkempt moss]

Is the wiki accurate? It says to the body it does 63 past 45m. So that would be a three shot on light to the body. Two if you get one headshot.

[spring spear]

theres no point in balancing around a casual level is my point because casuals dont care about balance

[vocal arch]

Sword does NOT need buffing 😭 isn't it like three hits on a heavy already? Three four hits

[spring spear]

ok whatever my bad for trying to argue with the guy that wants a k/d based matchmaking

[vocal arch]

I'm pretty sure 90% of our lobbies are bots anyway

[spring spear]

No, people are just REALLY bad

[vocal arch]

Occasionally we get a ranked sweat in and it's not fun but even then it's just a case of load into a new match

[outer crow]

topers always were and will be selfish - no wonder

[unkempt moss]

So ideally you want it to three tap to the head at 45+ on a light?

[sweet thistle]

The right click needs it. Left click I don't care they can nerf that. But what made sword so fun and unique was the lunge attack.

They either need to revert lunge damage, not remove the camera restriction when turning in lunge.

[vocal arch]

I'm a casual player, all I want is heavies to be nerfed, not even by much just make them do slightly less damage

I can handle heavies as it is but some.matched where everyone plays heavy and it's just so annoying

[unkempt moss]

I hope they do this for you.

[sweet thistle]

They basically made sword a worse riot shield with ability to slash people standing together

[vocal arch]

Iirc the rpg is a one shot to lights, at least make it two shot including a melee

[sweet thistle]

Before then the sword was like a missile strike

[spring spear]

That would be better but even that is an issue as being allowed to do as much damagd as it does at range is the real issue since when defending youre gonna bunker down and shoot people at a distance and doing a lot of damage at long distance means the meta revolves around getting the cashbox and cashout first because defending is so much easier than attacking

[vocal arch]

Long distance meta as I said is just so easy

[spring spear]

also long range exchanges are just not fun

[sweet thistle]

Rpg doesnt one shot lights

[vocal arch]

The snipers have such generous hit boxes it's insane

[spring spear]

Its 110 damage now so it is 1 direct hit +qm
used to be 100 dmg before last patch

[sweet thistle]

Rpg is 110 damage. Light is 150 hp

[vocal arch]

Well the rate times I play heavy I use the rpg and it tends to one shot

[outer crow]

he stuck in the season when it did

[spring spear]

that buff from 100 dmg to 110 was unnecessary idk why they did it it means heavies can potentially suicidebomb a light now which is dumb

[vocal arch]

I one shotted someone with one about an hour ago

[sweet thistle]

That's not what "one shot" means. One shot means from full hp. You have just killed lights that already were damaged

[indigo nexus]

it does not.

[outer crow]

Rapier explained already for u

[indigo nexus]

RPG lost the ability to one tap a light halfway through season 1

[outer crow]

yet they still cry

[sweet thistle]

Rpg is fine

[vocal arch]

You couldn't reply to a single message where I was crying about it dipshit

[sweet thistle]

Don't be rude, Decaeir.

[vocal arch]

Sorry I'll let people speak down to me next time, want me to suck you off whilst I'm at it?

[serene glade]

Yes please

[sweet thistle]

Again, being rude the 2nd time. Nobody here is talking down on you

[spring spear]

#💣┇weapons-gadgets message i wouldnt pay too much attention to certain users in this server

[vocal arch]

Yes sir 🫡

[sweet thistle]

We're just correcting you when you're wrong.

[unkempt moss]

I just think theres more nuanced ways to do it than a major damage nerf. What if they made BFR go projectile at its max range of 45?

[outer crow]

🤦‍♂️

[vocal arch]

I wasn't talking about you, I'd question your inference skills but I fear you wouldn't know what it meant

[spring spear]

That is soemthing embark was toying with, we jad bfr become a projectile after a certain range last season during one patch but then they reverted it

[unkempt moss]

Do you think thats a good change?

[sweet thistle]

I know. I'm still going to tell you not to be rude to users in here.

[spring spear]

tbf wasnt intended but i mean it is better than its current state

[vocal arch]

I'll take the insults like a good little toy next time then don't worry

[unkempt moss]

Id honestly think thats a good change to all weapons.

[outer crow]

what else expect from a typical light user

[spring spear]

Yeah definitely better than it is atm. Its what they did to sniper and it worked

[vocal arch]

God forbid you hurt someone's fragile masculinity in this server lmao

[unkempt moss]

What if all weapons worked like that?

Can all the dumbasses bickering in here take it to finals chat. Good lord almighty.

[spring spear]

You would need to set range for each weapon individually because theyre all balanced differently but id be ok with it

[sweet thistle]

Literally nobody has insulted you. If you think correcting uou when you're wrong is "insulting" then you have some work to do.

And this has nothing to do with masculinity. Just be a decent person to others when you're discussing. Some common decency

[serene glade]

That was someone suggestion in game feedback iirc

[unkempt moss]

I just mean at their max range of fall off to start. Then go from there. Or even at their minimum range.

[spring spear]

Yeah like I said youd need to play around with the numbers but I think its be a fine idea

[outer crow]

crying became an insult

[sweet thistle]

Pikmin goated

[unkempt moss]

Good working with you. Ill let these morons keep at it and get working on the patch notes.

[serene glade]

Whens an ETA on that dropping

Do NOT say early spring

[spring spear]

i dont have pikmin creatures hope this suffices

[unkempt moss]

Early spring

[serene glade]

[dense oasis]

Embark, give us dualies for all classes 😩 I want dual .40s for my Medium and .380s for my Light

[sweet thistle]

Dual bow for light let's go

[dusky gyro]

Embark Duel sledge when

[fast verge]

I don’t know if I want a ride to the beach

[dense oasis]

I was thinking a compound bow for Medium (can only fire at full power), and an arbalest for the Heavy.

[sweet thistle]

Lights haven't had new toys in many seasons. About time we get something

They would never do two bows. Perhaps a crossbow if they decide to go medieval

[dense oasis]

I think Light dualies should be low damage, high-ish mag capacity, and have less of a movement speed penalty while ADS

[sweet thistle]

I think all weapon types exist for the classes. There something for everyone.

Except an explosive weapon for light.

I think a light grenade launcher would be nice. Think of an underbarrel grenade launcher with low damage but fast reload.

So light have some sort of splash damage weapon.

[warm gazelle]

Give light rpg

Also give light mgl

[dusky gyro]

A explosive crossbow could be cool

like a small repeatable crossbow or whatever theyre called that have a small magazine

Like 5 ammo, and the bolts go at about the bow's speed or slower

The projectile could explode a second or so after it hits something (like the black ops 2 cross bow) or/and explode when its in proximity of a person/gadget

Maybe as a alt fire it shoots all 5 and once in a few different directions?

[dense oasis]

If anything, it would have to be that grenade launcher made by HK. A bit stronger than the China Lake, weaker than the RPG, single-shot, about the same reload speed as the sawed-off

[sweet thistle]

Agreed. They had the opportunity for explosive arrows when they did the bow

[dense oasis]

They could do that for a Thermal Bore skin!

scoped crossbow firing explosive bolts could easily work

[restive plover]

d

[sudden pewter]

Can’t believe I missed bullying a self admitted Light main

[unkempt moss]

Things fell apart. Lights felt okay to represent themselves in wepsNgadg

The hardest part is that heavies also know what's best for lights, they just dont know it.

[dense oasis]

gurl

[sudden pewter]

Everything in the game has to be balanced around Lights, and Light players don’t even know it

[unkempt moss]

This drives me absolutely nuts.

[dense oasis]

Light generally is sort of the higher end of things, so it makes sense

I'm just glad the spotlight is on us 💅 ✨

[unkempt moss]

Higher end of what? Whining?

[dense oasis]

No? When it comes to damage output and, in a good amount of cases, skill required to have higher kills than deaths

[unkempt moss]

According to Embark youre only the high end of losing

[dense oasis]

Lights have smaller margin for error, so if you're not good, of course you're gonna lose. That and the fact that we don't have real defenses the way the other archetypes do

[unkempt moss]

Is this really how the light player thinks?

[dense oasis]

It's how a light player thinks. But that's just based on observation as someone who plays more light than medium, and more of both of those than heavy.

I'm just one person, but what I said is based on my observations, some of which involves looking 🤷

[unkempt moss]

Alright.

[dense oasis]

Yeah. When I say real defenses, I mean actual damage mitigation. Blades and Shield for med, Shield, Dome, Barricade, and probably something else I'm forgetting for Heavy.
For us, it's just hoping the enemy can't aim lol You miss a shot, you gotta get the hell outta dodge

[serene glade]

So yeah don't stand still in front of the fat character with a death machine

[dense oasis]

Yeah I try to talk them down but my teammates ask who the hell I'm talking to 😢

[vocal arch]

I don't think light needs more defenses adding I just think the movement should be made better, add more bunny hops add wall running/bouncing etc

[unkempt moss]

I guess I see the lights as the smallest player model using the most mobile and evasive kit in the game. Coupled with the easiest guns in the game to use if youre not using some meme weapon like dagger.

I recently used the light class extensively for the first time this season and I was blown away with how easy the class is. Legitimately, if you can just not play like an imbecile and die immediately, its free kills and wins all the way to diamond.

[vocal arch]

Make manoeuvring better and that would balance out the large health gaps, movements ok as it is now but outside of tactical abilities it's not the greatest

That is purely however as I enjoy the grappling hook movement and would like to do more with it tho, it's not a necessity

[dense oasis]

Yeah, I think you have to be maliable if you wanna do more than just racking up kills, but the whole gimmick of the class is glass cannon. I think that's why they made the Vanish Bomb a thing, so you can spread your cloak out to your teammates, and added the med gun to give a pseudo-healer aspect

[serene glade]

If the servers weren't ran out of a homeless shelter in Bangladesh I would be fine with making lights movement even better

[unkempt moss]

The M11, V9S, ARN, and LH1 feel like cheating. I think the problem with light is the narcolepsy that comes with the guns playing themselves and the most boring kit in the game outside of grapple hook.

[vocal arch]

Which ones the mp5 clone again I always forget the name

[unkempt moss]

XP54

[vocal arch]

My beloved

[unkempt moss]

The worse ARN. The bow is decent. Sawed Off is fun because you can one tap other lights

[dense oasis]

I mean to be fair, let's see how anyone else's server handles god knows how many games all using map destruction without shitting out entirely lol

[vocal arch]

It's overhated, I see people complain about it a lot but I love it

Range damage is awful and the recoil is surprisingly strong compared to other guns but it's
Sso fun to use

[unkempt moss]

It's just a slightly worse ARN. Not sure what to hate about it.

Sword is just easy mode Sledge hammer. Dagger seems interesting but I'll wait until they fix the hit reg to try it.

[serene glade]

The time for fairness is over

[dense oasis]

From what I can tell, the auto weapons on the Light have different gimmicks
M11 is the fastest and best close up
MP5 is a bit slower but hits harder
ARN has the magazine cap, faster and weaker than MP5, and handles distance better than both

[vocal arch]

Sword is one of the most easy weapons in the game, it's super free, I've not tried the dagger but from playing against it that also seems pretty easy

[unkempt moss]

The M11 is truly insane. The fact that its in the game blows me away.

[vocal arch]

Such a cheeky gun to have as the default light weapon

[dense oasis]

I think you have to be good with timing against a sledge. Otherwise you're playing a dangerous game 'cause one overhead swing will rock your shit

[vocal arch]

As upset said, glass cannon

[vocal arch]

It's like 4 hits to kill a heavy and it's way faster, it's fairly easy, run in two hits, dash/grapple around then another two

[ivory edge]

Well, if sword is so easy why do I keep dying with it? 🥱 🥱 😏

[vocal arch]

Solo heavies are super easy to kill, a lot of them are so used to just tanking damage that they haven't developed any skill to actually play the game, it's only when there's multiple it really becomes an issue

[dense oasis]

If you haven't been bolted down or something else isn't interfering. There's so much that can go wrong lol

[vocal arch]

I've 1v1d a lot of heavies, you can really tell which ones are actually good at the game and which ones are using the extra health as a clutch

[vocal arch]

A good heavy main is terrifying

[unkempt moss]

That's not what ive heard. Your light brothers say the heavy is an unkillable walking nuke one tapping everything with flamethrowers and spear.

[serene glade]

When the sword user beats my heavy ass to death (mgl)

[vocal arch]

Flamethrower is really annoying but spear is easy to counter just as long as you aren't cornered

[dense oasis]

I hate the spear. I play a lot more Power Shift than the cashout mode, and the poledancers make me wanna rip my hair out lol

[vocal arch]

I've never had issues with spear heavys unless it's an indoor map

[dense oasis]

Which is awful because I have such nice hair 😭

[unkempt moss]

You dont just shoot them?

[vocal arch]

Also tbf I mostly play tdm as I find cashout quite boring

[dense oasis]

I'm usually up in the mix with shorter range weapons, like the sawed off

I'm a Light who never snipes. Fuck sniping.

[unkempt moss]

You know your walking speed is only slightly slower than a sprinting heavy, right?

[dense oasis]

Yea but when those chunky fucks are on the platform and nobody else is pushing obj

[vocal arch]

Finals sniping is so broken

I have a genuinely horrific aim, I always suck at sniping in every game I play, yet I'm weirdly good at sniping in finals

[unkempt moss]

Lights truly playing a different version of the finals

[dense oasis]

though I did find out that the M26 is really good if you're dealing with close combat heavies. I don't think the M26 gets enough praise

Slight diversion, but on the topic of shotguns, I do like that Embark made shotgun pellets hit in a fixed pattern. I think more PVP games should do it that way

[vocal arch]

I agree

The sawed off is pretty fun, but it's 100% not a gun I'd go for heavies with, 1 shot lights, 2 shot mediums

[dense oasis]

I fucking LOVE the sawed off, it's my most used weapon

[unkempt moss]

Doesnt it two shot heavies?

[ivory edge]

doesnt it also 2shot heavies?

[dense oasis]

It two-shots heavies.

[vocal arch]

Does it? Has it been updated?

[dense oasis]

I think it's always done it

[unkempt moss]

Yeah it's does like 356 total

[vocal arch]

I remember it being a 3 shot to the heavies, even headshots

[dense oasis]

Headshots don't have a multiplier

[unkempt moss]

Shotguns dont get head modifiers

[vocal arch]

Ah well I stand corrected

[ivory edge]

done know about fall off, but when light shoot in my behind 2 shots are enough

[dense oasis]

We basically have to get both barrels past the sphincter to get full damage

[unkempt moss]

Throw a melee in for good measure and it should be more than enough.

[dense oasis]

There's a few pellets that land close to the center of the crosshair, but the rest go wild

[vocal arch]

I always forget you can melee

[unkempt moss]

That's almost 400 damage near instantly

[vocal arch]

I might have to try running sawn off again soon

[unkempt moss]

You need to play heavy. Play some real finals.

[vocal arch]

I play heavy, I don't find it that fun

[dense oasis]

I have to be fast

[vocal arch]

Heavy just feels cheap

[unkempt moss]

In what way?

[vocal arch]

Unless I'm fighting another heavy or 2 mediums/3 lights, I rarely lose fights, it just feels really easy

None of the weapons feel rewarding apart from that fuck ass revolver

[unkempt moss]

You feel like the revolver is rewarding?

[vocal arch]

It's not rewarding I just find it hard to use so getting kills feels cooler

[unkempt moss]

What game are you a refugee from?

[vocal arch]

As I said I have really poor aim so semi auto weapons and I don't get along

[unkempt moss]

Most of the people in here are TF2 refugees it seems

[vocal arch]

Uhhh idrk icl

[dense oasis]

hey one of the higher headshot multipliers than any other weapon, decently accurate, good rate of fire, accurate, AND revolvers are cool

[unkempt moss]

All the heavy weapons are cool except spear.

[vocal arch]

I guess phantom forces? The finals and apex were the first fps games I played on the playstation and I didn't get cod until I quit the finals a while back, the only game I played before getting a playstation was phantom forces when I was a bairn

I mained movement in that aswell, and in cod, tho I played recon in apex

I'm not a movement player by any means I just like moving fast and using smgs

[unkempt moss]

Never heard of phantom forces.

[vocal arch]

How old are you?

[unkempt moss]

57

[dense oasis]

WHOA Buy him dinner first

[vocal arch]

I didn't mean to be rude I was just curious, it's only like <15 year olds who don't tend to know phantom forces

[analog pewter]

im 26 and ive never heard of it

[unkempt moss]

Is it this roblox game?

[vocal arch]

Yeah Roblox cod clone, used to be really good tho

[unkempt moss]

All I see is the game lost a bunch of its dev team for having child predators on it

I guess that's why they used roblox for it.

[vocal arch]

I'm assuming that's long after I stopped playing cause I've never heard that lol

[dense oasis]

I'm 34 and never heard of Phantom Forces. It doesn't have throwing knives I bet

[vocal arch]

Can't remember

Only gun I remember was the bfg50 which was the only gun that was 1 shot anywhere on the body

Oh and the sks

Which birthed my love for semi auto marksman rifles

Any game with armour/health systems I'll run an smg but any game with realistic gun damage I'll always play a marksman, it's so satisfying

[unkempt moss]

This looks horrible wtf

[vocal arch]

Cod 2019 veteran campaign ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[vocal arch]

Well yeah it's an old Roblox game, notice how I said used to be good

[unkempt moss]

Yeah but people say used to be good about a lot of things that are still good.

[vocal arch]

I was playing that shit when I was like 10 or something

[ivory edge]

When I was 10 I couldve sworn every game I played was masterfully crafted. Took a peek back at a game called Cross Fire a while back. Absolute garbage

Fond memories though

[vocal arch]

I remember thinking twilight princess was peak graphics

[ivory edge]

tru

[unkempt moss]

Twilight Princess did look good.

Not sure if its still holds up technically. But art style will always trump fidelity

[dense oasis]

Twilight Princess is peak Zelda

Best design for Princess Zelda. Not even opinion, just fact.

Zelda has a sword in TP, Zelda light main confirmed.

[plucky spade]

yes

[unkempt moss]

If you took the tutorials out of Skyward Sword its a near perfect Zelda game. Dont at me.

[analog pewter]

the games i played when i was 10 are still good. like timesplitters for example

[atomic fjord]

Weapons and gadgets being unbalanced is cannon because it’s a game show

[spring spear]

save some youth for the rest of us

[toxic flame]

can we nerf the riot sheild somehow its so hard to beat then in a 1v1

[serene glade]

[fiery thunder]

Key word: In a 1v1. If it's a 2v1, it miles easier to beat a Riot

[spring spear]

its easy in a 1v1 if you keep your distance too

and with some weapons you can beat them close range aswell

[rough beacon]

How do you do the ai overview thing cuz I do not want to read all this

[rough beacon]

Breh

I’m the snipr god btw

I’ll send a video when my level is high enough

[unkempt moss]

I cant wait

[rough beacon]

Where’s GooKing? Is he on vacation or smth?

[rough beacon]

Oh mb Oatchi didn’t mean to upset you your majesty.

https://tenor.com/view/pikmin-funny-cute-oatchi-pikmin-4-gif-3683147169923238444

[unkempt moss]

Nice try

[rough beacon]

What I do?

[wild zenith]

You shouldn't be 1v1ing in this game unless your team is dead

[unkempt moss]

Cowardice.

[eager wasp]

thus the soloq experience

[wild zenith]

also you can just shoot at the shield users feet

riot right click is nearly useless

[eager wasp]

do not 1v1 it and or be prepared to run away

[young drift]

how do yall feel about the ARN-220?

[unkempt moss]

Low skill ceiling, high damage. Decent range. Good hipfire, non-existent recoil when ADS.

I personally think its the best light weapon. Just from sheer power and versatility.

[hasty canyon]

V9S...

[unkempt moss]

That'll change eventually I'm sure. But I don't know if embark will change the ARN.

The V9S is in a stage where the XP was a few seasons ago. It was just insane and the range was nuts. Took embark half a season to fix it, and then they dumpstered the XP by releasing the ARN

And the ARN is basically just the buffed XP

[fiery thunder]

ARN my beloved

[pseudo sun]

Is dropping a 54-7 kill game with the throwing knives in ranked at diamond good or nah

[unkempt moss]

Its okay. I usually go like 65-3 with the bow.

So you have some room for improvement

But its solid

[pseudo sun]

Damn I thought that shit was amazing at diamond

[unkempt moss]

It is. I'm really good.

I'm exceptional, really. So you're doing great

[pseudo sun]

Are you ruby or something

[unkempt moss]

If the weapon skin is worth it.

[pseudo sun]

Im currently diamond I average around 30kills a game with the knives

No is your rank ruby

[unkempt moss]

Yeah. I'll push to ruby if the skin is worth it.

[pseudo sun]

Ooohhhhhhhhhhhhh

[unkempt moss]

If you're diamond there's not much difference. You're already playing rubies if youre diamond anyway.

You start seeing them in high plat for some reason.

[pseudo sun]

Yeah I play against them from time to time

[unkempt moss]

When you say 30 a game do you mean per round or tournament

[pseudo sun]

Tourney

That’s what I’m averaging

[unkempt moss]

You'll be ruby in no time if you stay that consistent.

I think your next step is distinguishing between high impact and low impact kills. You can farm kills easy but have them get revived without your team getting value from it.

[cunning slate]

If each class got a third shotgun, what would be expected?

I see a Benelli M4 (with a duckbill) on light, either a KSG or Origin 12 on Medium, and the 725 or AA12 on Heavy.

[serene glade]

Homemade PVC pipe shotgun

[unkempt moss]

Ibdont know what the 725 is but wouldn't the AA12 just be a complete upgrade to the SA?

Someone suggested a goose gun for the heavy and I'd be on board for that.

I think the hard part with shotguns is most additions would cannibalize weapons already present in the classes or homogenize between classes.

The origin to me looks like a matter for medium. AA12 would have to be terrible to not just replace the SA. The M4 would probably work on light but its a second semi auto shotgun for mid range fast moving combat.

[wraith orchid]

I'm going to spin on you

[unkempt moss]

My main problem is it doesnt feel very spear like. Half of the attacks are swings and not stabs.

[cunning slate]

Citori 725; over-under break action shotgun.

[unkempt moss]

Just looked it up. I approve.

A double barrel with a range of like 30m would be awesome.

[cunning slate]

More like 45 imo.

[unkempt moss]

They would never allow that far but I wish.

[cunning slate]

30 is still fine for the idea.

[unkempt moss]

Main problem is it would have to do under 150 per shot so it would have a touch time against heavies. But that would be worth it.

[cunning slate]

I mainly wanted to fill in the gaps. Light and Medium don't have semi-autos, and heavy has no break-action. Light needs a tube-fed, medium needs a mag-fed. Simple logic.

[unkempt moss]

Personally I don't care what the light and medium class get.

[cunning slate]

Just spread the damage out over a LOT of pellets. Distance is fine, just not lethal.

I think even 140 (anti-light 1shoting) could spread out the damage. Randon spread will help, as well.

And at least 30 to 40 pellets.

[copper hazel]

fair

[wild zenith]

v9s and repeater are genuinely so fcking annoying

the gap in power between kbm repeater and controller repeater is absurd

[dusky gyro]

How come?

[wild zenith]

snap aim assist

[hexed sapphire]

CAN YOU NERF THE LIGHT HEAL PLS

[cerulean furnace]

ok genuinely got a question about the respawn per defib. I got revived per Defib and had a Defib. I shot a Light immediately twice in a row, but the first shot did not do as much damage. I got a total of 136 instead of 176 as it usually is.

Do you do half damage when still in your invulnerability state?

[indigo nexus]

There isn’t a good explanation without having a clip of what happened, though more detail could help.

Did you die in this instance? And if so, when?

[cerulean furnace]

I sadly have no clip, but I can give a step by step on what happened.

• Point Break
• I had a Repeater, the enemy Light has a sniper. We were both around Medium Range, so there is no damage falloff
• I had just died but got revived by someone else with a Defib
• The immediate second I got up, I hit the Light 2 times, remembering how a Light dies to it.
• He barely survives with 1 bar, and I die again
• Damage recap says I did 136 damage, which couldn't be unless the first hit was halved (Tho if it was truly halved it should have been 132 so idk why it said 136)

[indigo nexus]

Only likely explanation I can think of is that they were further away than you thought and you did get falloff.

Damage recap can be wrong, but if you definitely got two hitmarkers then it must have been falloff

[cerulean furnace]

naw I highly doubt that. It was relatively close

I can even describe where I was standing, but I think that really will not help. Been playing Repeater for a long time so I can only say that this range was not enough for any falloff

[indigo nexus]

Did you definitely see two hitmarkers?

[cerulean furnace]

verily

I might need to test this later with a friend

[indigo nexus]

Otherwise it could have been that the last one was discounted due to your death, and the extra damage to the light came from another source

[cerulean furnace]

I'm pretty sure it must've been some kind of damage reduction from me cuz I was still invulerable

[indigo nexus]

For lack of any further explanation it could only be assumed to be some kind of perceptual failure of what exactly happened.

[cerulean furnace]

getting called blind damn 😔

I'll try recreating it later and making calculations. Genuinely wonder if it was a bug or something cuz that was weird as hell

[indigo nexus]

Nobody is immune to lapses in short term memory that get filled in by whatever your brain thinks makes sense subconsciously

I’m inclined to think that that’s more likely than a bizarre damage bug that I have never seen evidence for before, but it’s definitely not certain

[cerulean furnace]

yeye I know, makes sense, I'm not opposed to me being wrong, I can only say from my own experience that it was off

ur not available rn are you? Got no friends who are online rn to test this

[indigo nexus]

Not right now no

I think even if it is a bug you won’t be able to catch it easily though, something like that would surely have been discovered quickly if it was easy to reproduce

Shooting right after being defibbed isn’t exactly niche and all it would take is for one player who was at all involved in the community to catch it in a clip

[cerulean furnace]

yea but I want to atleast see what the exact range was

That way I can atleast make sure if wasn't a damage falloff thing

[rough beacon]

I love the snpr

[plain thistle]

i fucking hste smgs

[obsidian nexus]

get v9s back in line already

[oblique crypt]

Healing?

[cerulean furnace]

nah there was no healing, besides my damage did literally state 136. If they were healed then it would have been higher still

[restive plover]

Bro the need to rework spear

They should add more mechanics to it

Like a spear throw like you get three uses and they recharge slowly

[cerulean furnace]

depends on how high the damage will be

if high, I can see 2 charges

[unkempt moss]

Oh no. Hes summoning greeners

[cerulean furnace]

Also my complaint will always be that Lights still have 3 dashes. I either see them always schmoove out of anything with too ease, or they waste it all in a panic and I shoot them anyway

[restive plover]

Yeah i agree

[unkempt moss]

The lights need to be able to ink to get away from the unkillable heavy

[cerulean furnace]

Yknow that's called positioning 😭

[restive plover]

Maybe like 50 damage 3 charges they recharge and you can go pick them back up

Each spear 50 damage

Like you have to hold the regular attack to throw it

And it shows a trajectory

Would be absolutely awesome

[undone quarry]

2 dashes: 1 for entrance, one for exit

[unkempt moss]

Listen, the lights are never going to think and get better at the game. So the burden is on everyone else to have their things rebalanced so these drooling apes can continue to play the game that way. The other classes cant even have a gun that one shots a light because its unfair to the light standing in front of the giant tank of death.

[restive plover]

best spear build?

[unkempt moss]

The entire game has been child proofed around lights being absolute morons.

[restive plover]

best spear build? I need it bro i just bought the pitchfork for spear looks so cool but idk a build

[cerulean furnace]

I'm still remembering that post about a Light player complaining that they have so little health and that they should get buffed

[restive plover]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-loud-scream-girl-kid-hispanic-girl-gif-3761151244536557927

[unkempt moss]

Exactly. They are barely human

[restive plover]

I need to be good at spear otherwise i wasted 800 mb

[serene glade]

goo gun, any gadgets you want and the spear. to make the build even better you just dont use spear

[unkempt moss]

I messaged the best spear player i know for you. Googs will help you

[cerulean furnace]

I wouldn't say that, but it's incredibly tiring to see Lights being actually such a cool class, but it's being played by people who don't know positioning and then complain about their low win rate

[serene glade]

scream loud scream girl kid hispanic girl

[vital forge]

C&S being canceled by debris you crouch under is flabbergasting. Getting mag dumped while stuck like that is one of the worst.

[restive plover]

True but i cant bro i spent 800mb on the devil pitchfork skin

[unkempt moss]

Lockbolt

[restive plover]

Cant give up my spear now

So lockbolt and what else

[unkempt moss]

Dome rpg

[serene glade]

lock bolt, dome, rpg/c4 goo gun

[unkempt moss]

Unless you want to have fun

[serene glade]

you dont really need lockbolt and can go support with like motion sensor even

[unkempt moss]

He needs lockbolt bud

And don't use googun.

Hes going to have to learn spear and googun?

[serene glade]

i guess winch if you wanna be lazy

[restive plover]

K i got winch ,dome, goo grenade, and lockbolt

[unkempt moss]

Perfect

Go get em, kid.

[restive plover]

Gooqueen trying to run a game ?

[unkempt moss]

Negative. Brekky

[restive plover]

I know what im doing KINDA with spear i just didn’t have a build

[serene glade]

what are you running goo grenade for

[restive plover]

Yo im in a game and im doing shit

Just need practice

[unkempt moss]

I think theres some sort of hit detection embarkery so you'll lose out when youre spinning.

[indigo nexus]

goo gun, dome shield, RPG, lockbolt
can swap goo gun for winch, I prefer goo gun

more important than the loadout is learning how to actually use the weapon well

[restive plover]

Yeah which i need to learn

[unkempt moss]

You'll have to dedicate more time learning GooGun than you will spear. Its definitely better.

[restive plover]

I mean like the weapon

[indigo nexus]

I think a majority of learning goo gun is just remembering to use it... very easy to forget about it

[unkempt moss]

It becomes your primary.

Spear isnt particularly complex, its just not very good. So you have to overcome people using decent weapons with game sense and gadgets.

[heady helm]

I wish the minigun chewed through the goo faster

[unkempt moss]

They'll continue to nerf goo, so maybe someday.

Eventually goolocking will be removed from the game, I can see it.

[indigo nexus]

I would say it's more complex than most

MGL I would say I'm fairly sure is more complex but it's hard to say so for much else

[restive plover]

I wanna shove this damn spear in my skull

And make it come out my ass

[sudden pewter]

Skibidi

[heady helm]

How do I fire react a comment

[restive plover]

This spear makes me mad

[indigo nexus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/929846728176320566/993238039977525358/attachment.gif

[heady helm]

I agree the spear should have a throw ability, what if the CD got reset if you picked up the spear?

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/when-i-get-you-me-when-i-get-you-jump-scare-attacking-judge-warwick-gif-10889250321494357592

I’m going to rip your spleen out if you suggest spear throw again

[heady helm]

😳

[muted condor]

Might do it twice

[unkempt moss]

Let's go ahead and get the spear throw in.

Somebody email Harada

[cerulean furnace]

Got a friend to check it with me. At around 45 meters I did indeed 141 damage in 2 hits, so it WAS damage falloff after all, no bug with the invinciblity

[indigo nexus]

its falloff is 40-45m.

[cerulean furnace]

Alright glad it was just me miscalculating the range

[unkempt moss]

This is why we keep SausageGPT around

[muted condor]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-jaxen-ross-hammer-assault-elmo-meme-gif-10675833400021584595

[serene glade]

He's busy watching vtubers he said

[restive plover]

Welp i have officially gave up on spear lol i will go back on rework cause i suck with it which brings down my moral and makes me hate this game so i just wont use spear

[unkempt moss]

Love to see it

[restive plover]

Sticking to my banana akimbos and flamethrower

[restive plover]

Are u good with spear ?

[unkempt moss]

Godlike

[muted condor]

It lacks resolve
You must go into ranked with it

[unkempt moss]

That's why I want the throw. So I can be even more dominant

[restive plover]

Whats the main key

[muted condor]

Not a real spear player, get away from here Satan