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[left blaze]

Just out of curiosity, why specifically riot shield?

[dawn marsh]

i would not want to deal with a recon nade + phased double barrel

[slender bear]

In the gadget reveal it was only about half a second though, which is going to be basically unreactable if you aren't expecting it.

[thick holly]

Riot shields can block flashbangs

[tired drum]

Nvm it might cook, time will tell

[dawn marsh]

flash bang is kinda meh for riot shield and demat makes your entry obvious, it will also allow you to push deeper into the enemy team for a pick with less reaction time for them

with guns you kinda want to play angles so in enclosed spaces you won't really benefit as much

[left blaze]

Oohh I see, smart

[thick holly]

Also the main way to play riot shield is to circle around your enemies, and it's going to be WAY harder for them to track you if they are partially blinded

[slender bear]

It would definitely be annoying, but the point is that it's worse than demat so there's really no room for complaining from medium players.

[left blaze]

Can the same thing be applied to dual blades?

[thick holly]

Probably

[dawn marsh]

the fact tha tyou have to actively block to reflect damage means probably not

[oblique crypt]

I can't wait to see the plays when they set up the breach charge just to walk through the main entrance

[dawn marsh]

blades are more for support medium anyways, passive blocking is very important for brawling

[thick holly]

Yeah, riot shield can block damage even if you don't have your shield up (which is why you circle around people when attacking)

[oblique crypt]

blocks stealing too

[left blaze]

I never thought about it that way, good to know!

[thick holly]

Yup, and a tip from a riot shield main. Try to avoid being to their left side

When the shield isn't active, they can block from the left side while still running

[dawn marsh]

nah man, shit would be op - demat at least leaves an opening and has a significant delay because of swapping weapons back and forth

just popping from a random ass wall and 2-shotting anyone then popping back is not okay

[thick holly]

And they will run counter-clockwise around you because of that

[dawn marsh]

riot shield buffs please Embark

[left blaze]

I don’t really watch specific weapon guides, so even though I’ve been playing since day one, I’m always learning new things

[thick holly]

The main buff riot shield needs is against heavies

[tired drum]

If riot shield gets buffed I might crash out

[dawn marsh]

the new healing will disrupt RS alot cause even an extra 1 HP healed means +1 swing

[slender bear]

Except you can actually hear a phased player approaching, so you know it's going to happen instead of randomly getting two tapped from a wall you didn't know there was a medium behind.

[oblique crypt]

You can backstab turrets and goo with the dagger

[thick holly]

Riot shield should block charge n' slam, since that's what they are made for in real life

[dawn marsh]

i mean, i don't argue for demat, thing is OP, but phaser seems broken for the most part, especially with the lights MS + burst damage options

[thick holly]

Maybe not the slam part, but definitely the charge

[tired drum]

No offense to riot shield mains I just hate mag dumping someone with my Shak and getting no benefit because they have riot shield

[dawn marsh]

it needs to start blocking melee damage consistently

[polar trout]

Valid take, however in real life protesters don't oft have the capability to charge through concrete walls and a foot of height over the officers

[left blaze]

I want to say cap, but it sounds believable at the same time 😅

[dawn marsh]

tbh riot shield is a weapon that just forces you to play the WASD game with them instead of the point and click one

it's really not that bad

[thick holly]

Yeah I still learning things about the riot shield too. Like I somehow only recently learned it can block damage from frag grenades

[dawn marsh]

full block makes your shield an actual wall

so that includes flashbangs, explosives and melee (which doesn't work cause lingering hitboxes)

[oblique crypt]

it's great because turrets are a real pain as a light with a melee weapon

[tired drum]

I get that but I have the reaction time of a potato and die before I comprehend it

[polar trout]

Since the flash is applied by touching any part of your character it's blocked by the glass on the riot, so you can throw a flash and stare right at it with your shield up and not get blinded

[thick holly]

Aim for the feet if you are having trouble, the feet are always exposed on riot shields

[left blaze]

Here’s one I recently learned:
explosions cause smoke to disperse / disappear faster

[thick holly]

Yeah, in TDM I liked to run riot and flash bang. Wait for someone to empty their mag on me, throw a flash underhand and block, then attack

I didn't need to do the whole flashbang thing, but it was fun

[dawn marsh]

doesn't really work in other game modes, you just get baited into teammates or people just run away

[thick holly]

I didn't know that, interesting

[thick holly]

Yeah I'm aware, that's why I did it in TDM

[polar trout]

Works if you have friends

[thick holly]

It's not a viable strat, it's just a goofy one

Because you can't play with your team if you try that, cuz you'll end up just blinding your teammates

[slender bear]

Another spec idea I had for light was an ospuze barrel.
You literally chug a whole barrel of ospuze and get a 25% speed boost for 7 seconds.

[dawn marsh]

i want flashbang to be good on RS but i can't give it the title of "viable" simply because it takes your shield away and takes too long when you should be jumping on people with no warning

[thick holly]

Mhm

[dawn marsh]

if they made RS permanent on your body? oh boy it would be a feast

[polar trout]

Stim pilot titan fall and add an OSPUZE skin

[thick holly]

I think they should at least make the riot shield stay to your side when performing actions like healing, and """maybe""" stealing to make things more interesting

[dawn marsh]

one handed action - shield stays in left hand, two handed action - shield teleports to your back

[thick holly]

ooh yeah that would be cool

It would be so fun seeing riot shield be a weapon where enemies have to change up their strategies

[dawn marsh]

i don't even want movespeed/charge on RS tbh - just give me the ability to be a TANK

[oblique crypt]

I can't wait to play light with all guns: A tracking dart Sniper, a healing SMG, and a Nullifier Stun Gun.

[thick holly]

yeah movement is fine on RS and feels balanced, I just wish it could block more

the fact you can't crouch while holding your shield up is also fairly balanced. But it would be so cool if you did that, you would be fully covered but have almost no movement speed

[dawn marsh]

melee fix + persistent shield would do wonders for it

[thick holly]

you just become a turtle sitting there, would be amazing for stalling for time

[dawn marsh]

you technically can cover your feet if you crouch then turn your shield side toenemies

[heady rapids]

Shoot the feet

[dawn marsh]

but then it leaves you very exposed from above

[polar trout]

Thermal bore in the reserve

[thick holly]

Yeah, that would probably help keep that more balanced

[tired drum]

Do you guys thing that light will even bother to use to the heal gun

[dawn marsh]

no i mean that's how it works now

[polar trout]

Also is it just me or did the healing gun look like the heat was going down as it fired?

[dawn marsh]

lol, lmao

[thick holly]

Oh sorry misunderstood

I thought you were talking about the turtle idea I had

[polar trout]

Hell no

[tough crypt]

What is the invisible grenade called for the light class again, I can't remember

[polar trout]

Vanish bomb

[dawn marsh]

the turtle thing would just mean that you can turn directly towards enemies and have the ability to use your window to see people better

[tough crypt]

Ohhh yeah thanks

[thick holly]

Yeah, I would LOVE to see the RS turtle be added

For the riot shield, it does need buffs. But it should only have like 1 or 2 buffs from any idea to make sure it's not OP and annoying to play against

[dawn marsh]

i mean you could go far and just let give mediums the montagne shield from R6 that unfolds and gives better coverage

but that would probably be a bit too annoying

[thick holly]

Yeah probably

[tired drum]

If the swing rate for riot shield gets up'd then we have a problem

[thick holly]

One thing I do wish is that it covered the head a bit more, I always get melted even if I have my shield up by higher skilled players

[thick holly]

Yeah swing rate right now is good, it just needs more protection buffs

The main one id advocate for is against heavies, especially charge n slam

[tired drum]

I can't remember, does the riot shield have a slow when you use the shield? It's a dumb question, but I have the memory of a goldfish

[dawn marsh]

i dunno, it probably should get a "SLIGHT" boost in swing speed, cause the breakpoints right now mean that using the qm combo you have EXACTLY the amount of damage you need, so if enemies get healed by even 1-20HP depending on the class would require an extra swing

considering we get all these new healing tools

[thick holly]

Yeah the riot shield slows you down when you hold it up, slower than crouching speed I think

[dawn marsh]

RS is going to be CUCKED by the heavy healing ball, i am predicting this

[tired drum]

Maybe decrease slow percentage and then we good

[thick holly]

yeah, healing ball will definitely be annoying

Healing beam can already be annoying enough as it is when you're playing riot

[dawn marsh]

i would also take that

[thick holly]

luckily I do main data Reshaper, so it wouldnt be too big of an issue for me

[tired drum]

So you actually can chase people instead of feeling like your running in water

[dawn marsh]

and here i am with m.detectors, goo and smokes

[thick holly]

I do also think Data Reshaper should get a slight buff, since that nerf was out of nowhere

[dawn marsh]

heavy ball is still going to be one of direct RS counters though, cause if we don't get a persistent shield swapping off RS to reshape it would mean you are eating lead in that moment

[tired drum]

I wouldn't know your troubles since I run heavy but I have used RS before

[dawn marsh]

it's extremely fun when it works as a TLDR

[thick holly]

Yeah, luckily it has a super long range though

[dawn marsh]

you can easily face enemies with like 5 hard counters in a single team and won't be able to do shit

[tired drum]

Even tho I'm pretty good at the game I still feel like I'm plastic 3

[thick holly]

Plastic 3, same man, same

[dawn marsh]

i feel like i'm generally mediocre

[thick holly]

I mainly play RS because my processing time is fairly slow, it's the only weapon that gives me time to process what's happening around me

[tired drum]

Im a monster when I play but it feels like I'm horrible because I use Shak and I think that's like best in slot for heavy or was at one point

[dawn marsh]

still is imo

[thick holly]

I mean, if you like using it then keep using it

[dawn marsh]

minigun might be better in some situations, but if you're trying to move around alot shak is the best

[tired drum]

When i use the best weapon for a class, my brain sees it as riding a bandwagon

[dawn marsh]

i chose to main RS cause i like to be an annoying little shit and i like shields in games

[thick holly]

Yeah that's fair

[tired drum]

It makes me feel like I'm only good because a certain weapon is carrying me

[thick holly]

My brain is more music focused, I honestly struggle to locate my teammates sometimes. So riot shield gives me the best reaction time

[dawn marsh]

i will be honest it also feels that way when i decide to play heavy and swap over to shak

it's a beast of a weapon, no doubt

[thick holly]

Idk, maybe try using a little bit of each weapon

[stone sparrow]

Can I PLEASE ADS MY KS😭@silent swallow

[thick holly]

I've been playing since season 1 and I don't even think I've touched all the weapons yet lmao

[dawn marsh]

i like shotguns in other games, but i don't like them here; things are moving too fast for my shitty aim

[tired drum]

I liked the Lewis but the recoil pattern feels like handing a kid a leaf blower for the first time and watching him spin around

[thick holly]

Lmao

[dawn marsh]

m60 has a better recoil pattern

[quaint sequoia]

I'm 1k wins and I've hardly touched light 💪

[thick holly]

I'm oddly better at rapid aiming than continuous aiming

The only weapons I play frequently are RS and revolver

So shotguns maybe better for me

[dawn marsh]

i usually hit my second shot, whiff the next 5 and then beam

my brain doesn't work with non-auto weapons here

[tired drum]

I like the m60 too but the recoil at the start feels like that one scene from pirates of the carribean where this 4'5 dude fires a shoulder weapon and gets flung back by a mile

[thick holly]

My brain just doesn't work with anything ranged lol

[dawn marsh]

it's not that bad

[tired drum]

It's fine after you get used to it, it just threw my tracking when I first used it

What do you guys think the few things "they weren't quite ready" to reveal yet are?

[thick holly]

Since they are showing CNS is back, probably gunna change something up or add in a new mechanic

Ranked terminal attack again (joke)

[tired drum]

Please don't expel my cod logic but if they place attachments in my hands in running back to medium for an extended mag on my fcar

[thick holly]

Lol

I hope they add a scope for riot shield

[royal pier]

So they really are just saying "fuck build identity, we want everyone to be able to do everything."

Except Heavy, they aren't allowed to have mobility.

[normal ice]

ShAK is not as meta as you think. It's definitely a strong weapon, but SA12, M60, and Akimbos usually receive more play for their higher burst, higher sustain, and higher range respectively

[normal ice]

I'm not feeling so good about the healing gadgets either

[slender bear]

That's basically what they did with medium in season one, it's just light's turn now. I'm sure heavy will get their moment in season 8.

[royal pier]

They're basically encouraging being independent and not playing as a team.

The Light heal gun kinda encourages more team play, but most won't even use it.

[normal ice]

The thing I'm most concerned about is being nigh forced to have Glitch Grenade on your team or else be unable to fight triple Heavy with their triple heals

[royal pier]

At the same time, this also encourages MMM because you can build that and have basically no major weaknesses. This is true before, but moreso now.

There's just a lot of obnoxious combinations that are possible now.

I wanted there to be more options, but I wanted them to be fun options.

[willow valve]

I expect a little overheals, maybe 10-25hp. Total guess though.

[willow valve]

Long cooldown, low distributed heals, destroyable? Until I see the stats I won’t be alarmed. Glitch is already very common, and the heal ball seems it makes users stationary, making them easier to glitch, nade, gas, flame.

[desert nova]

What is the best long range weapon in the game?

[uneven niche]

probably the sniper on light class

[dawn marsh]

sniper, then the garand, then the medium dmr then the double mag m4 on light, then the xp and then it's free real estate

oh right the lever action on medium is also up there

[honest pivot]

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[desert nova]

Awesome thank you

[dawn marsh]

it really depends on your definition of "long range", but an amazing all rounder with amazing medium-long range currently is probably the M4

or the arn, however it's called

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[desert nova]

Oh awesome thank you

[zinc kiln]

The garand? U talking about the lh1?

[dawn marsh]

yeah that thing

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The lh1 is the m14 on the bottom

Tbf they do look pretty similar

[restive plover]

ngl im not a really big fan of the new gadgets. Giving the other two classes healing options as gadgets just kinda undermines the value of heal beam dont you think?

[sweet thistle]

I'm with you on this. We also have the healing cannisters.

[shell sonnet]

imo medium is too combat effective to warrent a strong support tool
but we cant just nerf every single gun since people actually want to kill
making everyone able to do everything is a valid balancing idea imo

[restive plover]

sure medium didnt need another support thing but as someone who only plays heal beam medium, i feel like giving everyone else an option for healing would make my role on the team as the healer not as valuable anymore.

i play medium because i want to be able to help my team as much as possible via making sure they stay alive. If all classes can help their team (ESPECIALLY light) that way then why should i play medium anymore

[fathom turret]

love to play the heal beam

[restive plover]

oh and not to mention that these are gadgets and not specializations. Even if its worse, i dont wanna play against a dash light with heal beam

[shell sonnet]

maybe you like their weapons, maybe their gadgets, how they combo, maybe you want to have a little more hp but dont want to to be as slow as heavy

view it from the other perspective
people that would have loved to heal, but prefer heavy or light now get to branch off into what you like so much without giving up what they love
maybe youll find the new playstyles it creates nice too?

[restive plover]

eh fair enough

[radiant orbit]

That’s a fair thought. I’ll be interested to see how folks use these new tools.

I’m assembling a support light personally.

[shell sonnet]

cloak into full heal while others fight will be strong

[plush mountain]

Best scope for SMGs?

[unreal pond]

Thinking about it more, sword damage should really be buffed to 135 next season. The healing changes to light and heavy classes are a huge nerf to sword viability. Here’s a breakdown of the old sword lunge combos with 135 damage:

Light:
• Lunge + Melee = 175 dmg (+25)
✅ Still one-shots as it should.

Medium:
• Lunge + Lunge = 270 dmg (+20)
• Lunge + Slash + Melee = 249 dmg (-1)
⚠️ You now need double lunges instead of saving 0.5s with a slash.

Heavy:
• 2x Lunge + 2x Melee = 350 dmg (+0)
• 2x Lunge + Slash = 344 dmg (-6)
⚠️ You must hit both quick melees to barely kill, or go for one melee + slash.

For both medium and heavy, even minor healing adds around 1 extra second to TTK, which is brutal. A 135 buff would help balance sword without making it oppressive.

[slender bear]

That's exactly how zipline and jump pad being on medium makes light players feel.

[sweet thistle]

Absolutely.

Or at the very least buff it to 125 damage. Bare minimum.

[shell sonnet]

how do you think thats gonna happen?
healing is being done by teammates

if you try to attack 2-3 players at once you just die, that wont change when healing rolls around

the only exception is maybe heavies healing ball, which pulverise light anyway, and would probably take more damage while they waste time deploying it than its gonna heal off during the fight

nothing truely changes

[tired drum]

So is there gonna be weapons or just the fuckass all gadgets route

Because in my mind it's the equivalent of getting two fistfuls of fuck all

[slender bear]

I'm betting we get 3 Specializations in season 8 seeing as it's going to be the 2 year anniversary.

I'm glad they're laying off the weapons at least. We get those every season so actually getting gadgets for once will be nice, and specs would be even better.

[shell sonnet]

weapons are getting kinda bloaty imo, many of them compete too much around similar niches already
gadgets dont have that problem

and since you can pick up 3 gadgets, but only 1 gun, youre more likely to carry the new stuff around
i think gadgets was a good idea

now if you mean that adding mostly different flavors of healing is bad, fair opinion

[tired drum]

It's literally just all heals besides this garbage breach drill shit

[remote swan]

breach drill seems peak to me

[shell sonnet]

its probably gonna include some balancing issues
im just interested to see where this goes now that the class limits are becoming more blurry

[slender bear]

Support is a category heavy and light have been lacking in pretty badly, and the breach drill is going to be really strong on launch.

[tired drum]

Bro, it makes this loud ass sound so people besides or below it are just gonna prepare and scatter

[normal ice]

we haven't had a new specialization since season 3

[slender bear]

It lasts for .5 seconds. You don't have to worry about that lol

[normal ice]

we've had a net TOTAL of only 1 extra specialization since launch

[tired drum]

Ok it might be good then

[slender bear]

Hoping they have something big planned for the two year anniversary 🙏

[tired drum]

But I run heavy so a healing ball is cool ig

[shell sonnet]

i wonder if theyre scared to add more because of how badly winch was received on s3 launch

or perhaps that they worry about messing up the power balance?

[slender bear]

They've done a new one for heavy and medium, so they can't do more for those until light gets one.

They REALLY don't want a balance fiasco, and people will complain no matter what light gets.

[thorn siren]

Embark can you please just let me forgo weapons on heavy and straight up punch people

spears and sledgehammers are overrated, let me use my fists

[shell sonnet]

fist skin for sledge
m2 could look like a charged energy punch

[thorn siren]

a gut punch would be cooler imo

[shell sonnet]

would be, but it needs to stick to its hitboxes, which go from top to bottom on m2

just punch someones noggin in

[thorn siren]

an overhead, 2 handed slam, like you clasp your hands together and just swing down

[shell sonnet]

like a cartoon character, getting it pushed below their shoulders

[shell sonnet]

yup, sounds good to me
energy punch is just flavor id like to see, but any works really

[jade dragon]

Is the LH1 for light

Any good

[shell sonnet]

dont use it much, used to be meta, dont know how its been since then, but i think ive seen people perform well with it

[thorn siren]

yes, but it operates at much closer range than the pike, dont use it like a sniper, more like a semi auto assault rifle, it has good accuracy even if you fire it very fast

and dont aim for heads unless youre fighting a heavy, bodyshots are faster in my experience

[gritty swallow]

Don't really know in what situation it would be helpfull tho

[tired drum]

Heavy takes forever to regenerate hp so you dont have to leave the cashout in fear of death

[thorn siren]

yeah, love to finally have healing on heavy, it desperately needed it

that or some way to apply glitch

[ornate fable]

true heavies are pretty underpowered, they should be able to heal themselves

[thorn siren]

medium has reshaper, light has glitch, heavy just has to deal with gadgets wether they like it or not, they need at least one counter

[unreal pond]

Here are the ONLY two options for sword damage:
125-134 damage:
Light:
✅ Lunge + Melee = 165-174 (~0.5 sec)
Medium:
❌ Lunge + Melee + Slash = 239-248 (~1.5 sec)
✅ 2x Lunge = 250-268 (~2 sec)
Heavy:
❌ 2x Lunge + 2x Melee = 330-348 (~2 sec)
✅ 2x Lunge + Melee + Slash = 364-382 (~2.5 sec)

118-124 damage:
Light:
✅ Lunge + Melee = 158-164 (~0.5 sec)
Medium:
❌ Lunge + Melee + Slash = 232-238 (~1.5 sec)
❌ 2x Lunge = 236-248 (~2 sec)
✅ 2x Lunge + Melee = 276-288 (~2 sec)
Heavy:
❌ 2x Lunge + 2x Melee = 316-328 (~2 sec)
✅ 2x Lunge + Melee + Slash = 350-362 (~2.5 sec)

Remember that anything with a melee or slash removes multihit potential if the player is full hp. Sword CANNOT have any lower damage than this to be even somewhat useable.

[jade dragon]

I was thinking that it would be nice for close range but I wanted to here it form someone else because I'm newer to the game

[thorn siren]

you can use it a long range but you REALLY gotta pace your shots, it is much better suited for close and medium range

but dont treat it like a shotgun, its basically useless at point blank

use grapple or evade for best results

[gritty swallow]

Ye that is going to be handy . Now I don't have to go searching for a healing "Barrel" so often

[tired drum]

Yeah

[thorn siren]

if you have a Medium on comms, have them use reshaper on glitch barrels, turns them straight into healing

and there is no limit to how many items can be reshaped at once, so long as theyre close enough together

[magic lily]

What the point of mids healing beam if everyone has it now. Especially for mid it’s starting seem like neglect of the contestant type. Cool we can break the walls now but mid has no advantages or OP weapons like the other 2 classes. No evade mechanics. Looks like mediums are stuck in a world with endless assists imo. Would really luv if they considered how they can make all 3 builds advantageous with out feeling imbalanced.

[radiant orbit]

Can’t wait for the payday 3 crossover skin for med’s new drill.

Throw in a crossbody medic bag with that

[ornate fable]

my concern is the battle ball 2m/h comp being even more annoying now with heavy aoe healing lol

glitch grenade stocks up in s7 I suppose

[sweet thistle]

Imma just snatch that healing ball with my grappling hook as light and give it to my team

[smoky escarp]

I hope they buff the healing beam bc this shit aint gonna sit right if heavy and light can have healing GADGETS

[ornate fable]

I doubt the light one is even gonna be that good, we already have way more useful gadgets in terms of utility

seems like a meme tbh

[smoky escarp]

On the video it healed crazy fast, someone even posted it on reddit (i swear i only use that godforsaken site for finals gossip)

[ornate fable]

maybe for group play it'll be good but with how uncoordinated teams are when solo queing stuff like world tour, I think it'll be hard to justify using it

[gusty relic]

I wish the light healing gadget could self heal

[primal stream]

That’d be pretty busted wouldn’t it?

[gusty relic]

I mean to be fair light is crazy hard to get any value out of it sooo

[primal stream]

It’d make light hella self sufficient, and not only that but imagine all the light players it would spawn who’d think they hot stuff.

[gusty relic]

True but like none of my builds have been working out and a heal/self heal gun could be what I need to actually feel playable 🥲

[quaint sequoia]

Does mesh shield block sledgehammer hits or is it a visual bug?

[primal stream]

What kind of builds you run? Light shouldn’t need self healing with how it plays.

[uneven niche]

have you used dash and vanishing bomb? that's what I use to get out of trouble

[gusty relic]

I’ve been switching around between the 3 specializations cause I like the type of lights that can hold their own in a fight but I tend to use dash with xp

[gusty relic]

Yeah I’ve tried it a few times but whenever I do somehow my opponent becomes a top 500 smurf who picks me off like a fly

[uneven niche]

Yeah that's annoying asf but that's probably the best way to survive with light. you can try using grappling hook tho that's also good

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[gusty relic]

What else do you think pairs well with dash and vanishing bomb

[uneven niche]

throwing knives, xp-54 and V9S pair quite well for me

[fathom turret]

Xp 54

[primal stream]

The light shotguns also work well

[gusty relic]

Do you guys think nullifier could work with dash as well?

[uneven niche]

probably not it's not that useful imo😅

[primal stream]

At most you can use it so that you can nullify someone then run away.

[gusty relic]

Yeah that’s how I usually use it or to get into 1v1s quicker

[slender bear]

At this point compared to the new healing gadgets heal beam isn't good enough to be a spec.
I think they can take heal beam and turn it into a gadget.
Defib is too strong to be a gadget right now, so they can turn that into a spec. Defib would actually be a little weak for a spec, so they could actually give it some buffs, like maybe more health or instant regen.

[gusty relic]

Do you know any other gadgets that are useful?

[uneven niche]

well I'd say gateway I don't use it a lot but it's pretty solid

[uneven niche]

if your looking for a loud out try dash, xp-54, vanishing bomb, gateway and any grenade you like

[soft shale]

Gateway, glitch grenade, vanishing bomb come to mind as Light-specific all purpose gadgets that are actually useful if used right

Gateways in particular allow Lights to move vaults across the map quickly, or instantly move themselves AND/OR their team mates anywhere

[normal ice]

vanish bomb is overrated. replace it with goo 😋

own a slice of Heavy's area control for yourself for easier escapes or forcing closer-range fights if you want

[soft shale]

It's never fun to have a full team of L with DB, M with Cerberus and H with Sledge spawn right on top of you from a Gateway lol

[gusty relic]

Holy you guys have been way more helpful than any YouTuber I’ve watched 😳

[pearl vine]

There should be a pen that contains 75 HP for light in their gadget

So they can apply that and flee from the fight

[bitter surge]

Did you guys notice the heavy’s newest gadgets has TWO chargers

[pearl vine]

How come?

Oh yes

[soft shale]

On the subject of self healing, Light already has the fastest recovery speed (7 seconds) while being the fastest/smallest target of all three classes, and having high DPS/high damage burst weapons, giving the class self healing would be broken af

[sinful dagger]

I think the new light gadget only heals teammates

[pearl vine]

Yo how about a feature in TDM where, whenever someone eliminates an opponent he starts healing immediately

Especially for H coz after a fight you are left on low health which takes a long time to heal

[soft shale]

That's why Medium received the heal beam, to get Heavy back in the fight quicker

[pearl vine]

No one really cares IN TDM

Even when you are playing with friends

[soft shale]

Heavy is still a powerhouse in TDM

You can just tank so much damage with a defensive loadout. While enemies are shooting at you they're not shooting at your team.

Usually gets them killed assuming your team mates are decent enough.

I think we shouldn't be worried about these new healing items until we see the other balance changes Embark introduces along.

I think the goal here is to encourage teamplay

[uneven niche]

your welcome

[dawn marsh]

i just realised the healing rate on the heavy healing ball - excuse me wtf?

it's literally an AoE healbeam and not even a spec

RS mains are NOT eating good

[slender bear]

Maybe we need to turn the h+ infuser and the healing emitter into specs.
I just want a light spec, I don't care if it's the heal gun.

Honestly though I'm glad to see it in the game. As long as they don't remove it, I'll play it even if it gets nerfed into the ground.

[late pagoda]

Stim shot, 50 hp and starts healing immediately, maybe also a speed boost

[pearl vine]

YEA

[north perch]

im new to lgiht doing xp54 and dash. what gadgets should i use

[late pagoda]

gateway, glitch or grav, and vanish goo or nullifier is what I run

[brittle yoke]

WHY

[late pagoda]

there was a discussion earlier, we think thats just infinite in the dev server, it should only have one

[north perch]

and for the 3rd slot?

[late pagoda]

my main loadout is dash, m11, gateway, grav, vanish bomb

[ornate fable]

as a light player nerf dash ty embark

tired of fighting orcs that just panic spam it 3 times

[slender bear]

It would be pretty cool of cashout stations could go through gateways IF the station is inside the gateway hitbox when somebody goes through. At this point there are enough ways to launch cashout stations into death pits I don't think this would be too crazy, especially since you have to go through as well. If you want to yeet the cashout station into a pit, you have to go with it and use grapple or something to escape.

[north perch]

ima try dash x[54 gateway glitch vanish. might be shit tho

[radiant orbit]

The real question with s7 is will the molotov skin finally make the fire nade worth picking

Where is the molotov guy anyhow, wasn’t there a guy asking for it in like every comment section everywhere for like a month?

[late pagoda]

should be good

[bitter surge]

Well if it’s true your saying.. that’s a huge misleading lmao

[late pagoda]

ya for sure, but two charges would be op so hopefully it's true

[north perch]

is sonar any good

[lost ginkgo]

all my homies love sonar

[glossy sun]

why does the medium grenade launcher not deal dmg to the user 😄

not enough i meant to say to deal the full dmg it has to literally be point blank right on top of it

[north perch]

kinda wanna swap vanish for sonar idk if its good

[golden shuttle]

Will lights actually use the healing pistol lol?

[lost ginkgo]

def good with good team play

[north perch]

sonar or vanish?

[lost ginkgo]

sonar

[north perch]

should i swap vanish out or smth else

[lost ginkgo]

id prolly swap vanish thats just me tho

[ornate fable]

prob not

gateway is bis, goo grenade is godlike and your third can be something more useful in combat

[exotic skiff]

Wtf do you mean it's gonna be turbo broken

And rn light need thermal gateway and glitch if heavy

[lost ginkgo]

message 35

[ornate fable]

it's going to be useless in solo que since my teammates just run in and feed instantly and I'm stuck 1v3 every time

[exotic skiff]

So dont play soloq 🤓

And from the pov of ur teamates ur feeding as well

[ornate fable]

yeah but I don't care what my teammates think so they are wrong

[cosmic tide]

enemy lights yes. friendly lights no

[slender bear]

I will
I hope it's bad though

I kind of wish they focused more on uptime than fast healing. If I could main this thing I absolutely would, but it looks like I won't be able to use it for more than 4 seconds at a time.

[copper aspen]

Put magnify scopes on all assault rifles

[heady rapids]

So real

The H+ Infuser seems like it only lasts for 2secs flat to drain before cooldown. How much is it actually healing? 25%?

[north perch]

It's not a spec

[slender bear]

I'm aware.
All three of the new items are gadgets.

[north perch]

Why would a gadget that replaces gun have a high uptime

[slender bear]

It doesn't replace a gun, it's in a gadget slot.
High uptime just refers to being usable often. It would have high uptime but low healing so that players can spend more time actively healing their teammates, since right now it looks like it will only have enough uptime to heal one.

[north perch]

If u have to pull it out instead of a gun then it should have low uptime. All gadgets work like that

[slender bear]

You have to put your gun away to use literally every gadget in the game. Things like thermal vision and tracking dart still have high uptime despite that.

[north perch]

You can pull out ur gun during thermal

[slender bear]

You have to put it away while the pad is held. The same goes for tracking dart, while the dart gun is held You can't hold a weapon.

[north perch]

U can shoot people with the thermal buff active

With the healing gun you need to put away ur gun to get utilization of the gadget

[slender bear]

Yeah, after you activate the thermal vision.
What I'm saying is you should be able to heal, take out your gun, shoot, then heal your teammate again.

[north perch]

If there's a gadget where you need to stop using your gun for almost all of the time it shouldn't be a gadget it should be a spec

[north perch]

That just makes it too weak then

[exotic skiff]

I am pretty sure it's gonna be like that. Not going into cooldown if you dont shoot the mag

And either way it's gonna be fucking broken

[slender bear]

Not at all.
More healing but spread out over a longer time, and easier to access.

[exotic skiff]

Apparently you Can make ur heavy survive three people shooting at him

[north perch]

Heal spec can't even do that

[exotic skiff]

Yes but heal spec doesnt have cooldown

The gadget will have an insane down time

[slender bear]

The H+ is only going to have ~3 seconds of uptime, so I think that's a pretty fair trade.

[exotic skiff]

Anyway I know they gonna nerf sledge I am happy

[north perch]

Ok nice then

[novel thicket]

I hope that’s not the case, being able to heal that fast would make it way too broken

[north perch]

Still seems strong ngl since it doesn't use ur spec

[exotic skiff]

If it's stay like it was it will be

[slender bear]

The easy solution would be to give the weapon slower healing and more uptime!

[exotic skiff]

It shoot faster than an xp

[novel thicket]

True, with mediums, healing takes time and you would have to prioritize that over fighting along with your buddy, the new gadgets throws that out of the window

[slender bear]

I hope ammo regenerates on a resource bar like cloaking device.

[exotic skiff]

Nah would be too insane

And will prolly dont at all

Light is already the easiest class dont make it more stupid than it is

[slender bear]

If it regenned over 30s? That would be a tenth of the healing that heal beam gets overall.

[slender bear]

That's also just blatantly wrong. I'm glad I switched off light because I haven't struggled a day in my life since I switched heavy.

[north perch]

Light hardest class

Hardest movement and positioning

[novel thicket]

You feel like you’re playing a micromanager with lights, small mistake, you’re dead

[north perch]

And needs more aim than at least heavy, especially sniper

[exotic skiff]

Heavy is legit the hardest class light rn is so easy to play

Light Can 1v3 without even thinking heavy can't

[slender bear]

Rage bait used to be believable...

[exotic skiff]

It's not a ragebait, Ask any very good player/comp 90% will say the same

But I know it's prolly too much for you to understand

[novel thicket]

Well if your team isn’t ready for the light then maybe, or if the light is really cracked then maybe he could 1v3

[exotic skiff]

Not a single other class Can do that if both team are not garbage (if the enemy team is very bad every class Can obviously

Heavy have the hardest gadget management and position thinking

Strongly team dependent as well

Light and medium Can go in and out heavy can't

And the use or ur gadget is not as hard as heavy. One bad bubble ur dead. One bad rpg it's just a waste. The list go on and on. Spec as well mesh is prolly the hardest spec to play right. Take into consideration juggle and other shit as well

[slender bear]

Idk what to tell you man.
Yesterday I dropped into a cramped room with a full team of three in it and flamethrowered all three of them while they lazered me. All three of them died to fire damage and there was nothing they could do.
That's not possible on light.

[exotic skiff]

Like I said against bad team yes

[slender bear]

You've got to be ragebaiting because all of this is just stuff that is completely false or true of every gadget in the game.
So many trash takes I'd expect half of them to come from a white role.

[exotic skiff]

Bro egoing role on discord while prolly not even playing rank the whole sz

[slender bear]

Like I said, nothing they could do yes

[exotic skiff]

You play flamethrower just with that I Can know your skill lvl on the game thank you

• egoing on discord role

Reddit 2.0 here I see

[slender bear]

This is coming from a guy who thinks heavy is the hardest role.
Everyone with an iq over 90 knows heavy takes the least thought out of all three classes.
They're literally called crayon eaters by the community because of how little thought is involved.

[exotic skiff]

Like I said Ask any comp player or insane player they will say heavy is the hardest

But that fine to live in a delusional world

[slender bear]

I've literally never seen a genuine take this bad
Flat earther ahh

[slender bear]

Me when I lie

[exotic skiff]

Play casual and you will be fine

[novel thicket]

Prob light is the easiest due to really good positioning, and prob sees it that way or maybe he played light a lot more that other classes he might not get used to, idk

It’s not worth arguing over rage bait

[exotic skiff]

I played comp on every class at the highest level and light is by far the easiest yes

[ornate fable]

it's easy if you have good teammates you can play off of

[exotic skiff]

Heavy is the hardest

[ornate fable]

if your teammates are bots then solo que as light is impossible

[exotic skiff]

And light is not team dependant like heavy

[exotic skiff]

Light is the easiest class to go soloq lien what

[slender bear]

Blatantly false

[ornate fable]

me when I lie on the internet

[exotic skiff]

You guys are on another planet

[novel thicket]

While stronger with a team, doesn’t have to be

[slender bear]

I'm legitimately scared for the new generation if these are genuine takes.
I didn't think IQ could actually dip into the negatives.

[exotic skiff]

I boosted acc to ruby with soloq light that is my worse class. Not possible with any other one in the same time span

[exotic skiff]

Drop me ur rank and past experience at highest level I will wait bro

[slender bear]

At high level literally everyone needs to play with their team. Anyone who's ruby rank knows that, which is how I know this guy is full of it.

[exotic skiff]

I dont Say you dont need too but heavy is strongly team dependant

[slender bear]

I don't even play ranked, and I guarantee you don't either since you don't know basic knowledge about the finals.

[exotic skiff]

I got my name on the trophy (twice) and won embark tournament against the best team so try again

You wanna ego I Can Do it as well instead of just saying "gneugneu ragebait gneugneu low iq"

[slender bear]

Sure bro
Probably bought your account or something.
Even if you are good at the game it doesn't really mean anything intellectually when your grammar is worse than a 5th graders and you don't know anything about the game's balance.

[exotic skiff]

Just go read the trophy is say rampage, and watch carnifex video about the tournament we won 😎 and yeah I got bad grammar because that not my native language and compare to you I am still able to talk two language (even with bad grammar)

[slender bear]

Womp womp
Je aussi parle francais

[meager thunder]

straftat player?

[versed lava]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-anime-girl-anime-heart-hearts-gif-12807321776366732537

[heady rapids]

oh trophy tree, oh trophy tree
oh we love you trophy tree

[exotic skiff]

Try again not right

[exotic skiff]

Best game ever

[raven gulch]

But really, this game has strict loadout and even reserves are only available on revive; which means we need to discuss certain loadout like CERB WITH DEMAT AND GOO NADE ARR CRAZY not like CERB AND PIKE AND REPEATER IS OP OMG MEDIUM IS BEST AT EVERY RANGE

[slender bear]

This is coming from the guy who tried to justify his bad grammar with the fact that it isn't his native language.
Kind of hypocritical.

[onyx storm]

Light is the easiest as solo, heavy the hardest. Bro is right.

If you disagree you didn't play enough with each class

[exotic skiff]

Thx kind man

[slender bear]

Whatever you say.
I'm still going to play heavy and it's not getting any more difficult for me.
Guess I'm just cracked.

[versed lava]

yeah, Ls role in general makes them great for solo since theyre really good at hit and run tactics, scouting, and carrying cashboxes. heavy is definitely hard, but utilizing your equipment to the fullest makes it hard utilize him in a solo situation

[sinful dagger]

I was stuck in silver 1 as light and but when I switched to heavy I easily grinded to platinum 3 (playing for about an hour or two for 3 days)

[slender bear]

Legitimately the easiest class to pick up for me. The fact that it's apparently the hardest is news to me, because personally, it's the easiest of all three.

[sinful dagger]

Agree. The only thing I think is easier is being a medium healbot for the heavy, but that isn't as consistently successful.

I'm pretty unsure about how diverse class gadgets are going to get with the heals and the drill. I think light should provide mainly movement utility, medium support, and heavy defensive and destructive.

But according to that logic light should have jump pad and Zipline (which I almost agree with)

[slender bear]

Yeah, it's definitely going to be a mess, but I can't wait to see what kind of meta comes from it.
Those lines already got blurred a while ago, and I think they're putting healing on light and heavy because medium is already stealing roles and they don't want to nerf it.

[sinful dagger]

True. Medium has always been the most well rounded and much better than the other two classes in some areas. Seems like embarks approach is to just round out all classes

[dusty rover]

Sword buff next update?

[dreamy hare]

Thats the problem, you think only about that L is dd, M support and H tank, you need to think about it more in perspective
Why H amd L cant supp?? Only because one small and other it bigger?

Open your minds

[tired drum]

So how bad is heavy getting shit on this season?

[crimson rock]

Heavy is good and will remain good

[fringe nymph]

L is good and terrible it's broken

Light had gateway to support. Nice. Heavy has dome mesh and barricade I guess

[pearl yacht]

heavy has dome, mesh and barrcide "i guess"? is it not enough? hahahah

btw it's just me or the new healing light gadget heals so much per burst

[hardy dust]

Dome is literally the best gadget in the game

The only one that really comes close to it imo is gateway

After those two there's a decent gap in power

[waxen fiber]

RPG, oh wait, it is also heavys gadjet

[hardy dust]

Rpg is still very strong, but I'd say it's a decent amount weaker. It's also been nerfed a lot more.

Although rpg is definitely on the much stronger side of util

Heavy has such good util, but it's super condensed imo

You don't have that much flexibility for very strong loadouts

The new orb could be super strong though

[amber plinth]

Opinion?

[fringe nymph]

lol true

[arctic compass]

You guys think were gonna be in a sustain meta with the new healing gadgets for light and heavy or will the numbers not be that high and they’ll just be niche picks?

[left blaze]

I just realized something about the new heavy gadget. On the page, the last line says “Just don’t let it roll off, or be snatched out of your reach.” , meaning that enemies could throw or take your healing emitter away
And also from the clips that we got, it will have 200 hp

[soft shale]

I think we need to wait and see for the full S7 patch note to judge. These new healing items may come with a wide variety of balance changes. Someone mentioned defibs and healing beam getting swapped, with defibs receiving a buff if it does become a spec rather than a gadget. I could see that happening.

Demat could receive a nerf along with the addition of the drill, and I honestly wouldn't mind, as I think the introduction of that spec, while it was definitely very interesting, made all environmental destruction items pretty redundant. Back in S1, C4 was part of my standard Heavy loadout for the exact same reason people run Demat. It could open new entry ways for the team or help steal/defend cashouts by making them drop through floors.

C4 has been nerfed quite heavily as part of a wave of nerfs to get rid of nukes entirely, and was never buffed again once Demat rolled in.

[faint steppe]

Making defib a spec seems interesting but a buff seems insane. And a demat nerf would just make defib the must pick spec

And honestly turret, defib and nerfed demat sounds like an awful selection of specs

[soft shale]

Depends on the Demat nerf and Defib buff honestly.

If Demat gets -1 charge or keeps 3 charges with a longer cooldown, it will still be strong, but require more thought to use.

Which wouldn't be a bad thing seeing how a decent Medium using Demat can be a nightmare to escape from or chase.

Guardian turret has been the weaker spec forever, in all honesty I see it as the noob spec, used by noobs and only ever effective against noobs. Turret is an annoyance at best for decent players.

If I play against a team using lots of turrets, mines, etc. I just pull my data reshaper from reserve and now all their precious stuff gets cancelled instantly.

[faint steppe]

I'm not even denying their potential usefulness but from a gameplay perspective all three of them would feel awful to use.

Right now both Demat and healing beam offer very distinct play styles. Simply making defib a spec just seems insanely boring in comparison and we already know turret is insanely boring.

And Demat is in a balancing state where taking one charge / increasing the cooldown won't really get rid of its insane utility. It needs some actual counterplay

[oblique crypt]

Demat as a spec would be very interesting

[soft shale]

I agree with you there, there's no actual counterplay to Demat, except maybe using Goo in any shape or form, or using Demat yourself, which is still rather limited. You can play/position yourself expecting the enemy teams to demat walls and floors but you can't really prevent them from doing so.

[amber ermine]

for the love of everything embark pls make this happen، doing this wouldn't affect anyone and you won't see anyone complaining

[stark pecan]

But really, this game has strict loadout and even reserves are only available on revive; which means we need to discuss certain loadout like CERB WITH DEMAT AND GOO NADE ARR CRAZY not like CERB AND PIKE AND REPEATER IS OP OMG MEDIUM IS BEST AT EVERY RANGE

[deep mason]

@stark pecan thanks I love the idea of an auto crossbow and a fanning revolver.
I will repost it when I get the chance #👂┇game-feedback message

[amber ermine]

I'm calling it , amethyst for the next weapon mastery lv

and remove the black one at lv 8

cause it's ugly af and no one finds it interesting

cmone embark

[soft shale]

I actually run it on some of my gadgets along with black outfits

[amber ermine]

but u agree that we deserve better for a skin that takes hundreds of games to reach

[royal pier]

The drill would been cooler if it was a Heavy gadget and worked more like Fuze from Rainbow 6 Siege.

[remote swan]

i like it

[royal pier]

I'm already playing less than I was before, and these new gadgets do not inspire confidence.

Heal Ball might not even be that good, and will likely be countered by Glitch Grenades the same way it counters almost everything Heavy has, but it can open the door to really obnoxious team comps.

The Heal Gun is probably going to be unused in a couple of weeks since the average light player has little interest in supporting the team.

[frosty lark]

i run it on my gadgets

like goo nade for instance

[tired drum]

Real brother, here's my prediction, lights won't use it, nor even bother to unlock it, so it gets buffed into beyond meta state, and then after a few days of everyone complaining it gets nerfed heavily, and the same Adhd gremlins we call lights scream and wail over something returning to the state it was before

[atomic basin]

I'll learn how to play light and then I'll use it

[tired drum]

Good job, we need a light on a team that doesn't go for 9v1 at the start of the match

[ornate fable]

that's pretty much how embark balances light

buff things that suck, everyone cries it's too good then they revert it

[soft shale]

Yeah for sure. I expected lv 10 to be Amethyst honestly. That cloudy thing is pretty underwhelming.

[royal pier]

But it'll still end up being better than it was before.

[soft shale]

Fr, every single QC game I play with a Light starts the same, he just runs straight at the vault on his own, then I see his health bar turn into a 💀 within 10 seconds.

[tired drum]

You see his health bar get put thru a cheese grater

[royal pier]

Heal ball will likely be either useless, or must-take. That mean 90% of Heavy players will be using Dome and Heal Ball, and probably either RPG or C4.

[graceful nova]

With healing available on Light and Heavy, team comps with demat mediums now have access to healing as well.

Poor guardian turret, the thing doesn’t do much. Literally a small skill check against new players

[unreal ether]

Guys sometimes i feel that XP-54 better than ARN-200 is that right?

[graceful nova]

Maybe, under 15m?

[unreal ether]

Even in mid range i feel it better and damages more

[graceful nova]

What turned me off from ARN-220 was having 2 recoil patterns on the double stacked mags. That was changed already.

[unreal ether]

I was using 93R before and switched to XP-54 it’s insaneee

[unreal ether]

ARN is easier than XP to control it but i guess it’s weaker

[graceful nova]

I like using the LH-1 and flick dash players all day in console TDM lobbies. The thing probably needs a range dropoff buff just so it can outrange full auto weapons

[unreal ether]

Ur a bad guy btw🤣

[graceful nova]

I just bind fire to a bumper button and start mashing it. I can see why it got the nerf starting S6

LH-1 technically has no recoil pattern so if your tracking is good the dps is very competitive, even after the nerf. But in the range I fight with the LH-1 in, I’d rather pick XP-54 sometimes

[graceful nova]

I play on PS5 with Gyro

Sometimes I even bully bad mouse players

When the lights have dash or invis but I have aim

[graceful nova]

Everything is easier to control if you can strafe and do recoil smoothing

[sleek jacinth]

are there no new weapons coming in season 7 or are they just waiting till last to reveal those?

[unreal ether]

I’m kinda doing that with XP rn

[pale pier]

the new drill bore thing seems really useful

[graceful nova]

I don’t think we’ll see new weapons

[sleek jacinth]

😭

[pale pier]

😭

[sleek jacinth]

but whyyyyyyy

[graceful nova]

It’s hard to add more when a lot of weapons already cover many niches

[pale pier]

its true we have plenty of slow firer ate high damage and high fire rate low damage there's no more space to fill

[sleek jacinth]

i'll take skins for existing guns that make them look like other guns

let me turn the mp5 into a ump

[graceful nova]

Each weapon has its own skill curve. So it may play entirely differently depending on skill.

LH-1 is a great example: semi auto and big dps potential.

Hand it to me? I just fight full auto players under 15m away. Hand it to a good and honest Ruby player? They’ll beam you with it from 50-70m away easily.

[sleek jacinth]

the gamedev in me says "fair enough, makes perfect sense"
but the gun nerd in me says "but guns"

that said there are still some uncovered niches like a true full auto shotgun or a crossbow or something

[winter jay]

i want an smg on medium

[dawn marsh]

Add a slight delay to demat (~0.4-0.5s?) and make glitch turn the walls back to a solid state?
Although we will probably see a bit too many glitch mines in that case.

[graceful nova]

The hardest targets to survive for me are perhaps light players with melee or throwing knives

They don’t suffer ADS movement penalty, so they can AD strafe like no tomorrow while having perfect accuracy. Melees are slightly easier to deal with since they have to close in at some point.

You can’t escape them if you’re a heavier class though, can’t just break off the fight. So the only option left is to fight them. If I live it’s either because they stop dodging and get eliminated or they keep missing

Should throwing knives/bow have a magazine capacity?

[sleek jacinth]

100%, without a doubt

[dawn marsh]

They probably should do something, the 0 downtime part is insanely opressive.

[sleek jacinth]

if you dont kill them within a single magazine, it's over, you're dead
if they had any weapon besides those two they would also have some downtime to give you a chance to win

[graceful nova]

To be fair, this type of infinite ammo ranged weapon needs charge up time for full dps potential

[sleek jacinth]

that hardly matters when less-than-full potential is already enough to trivialise fights

[dawn marsh]

Only the bow, RMB on daggers is redundant for the most part

It's mostly a problem with 0-downtime LMB dagger spam

Although just cutting off a major feature is not entirely welcome either... maybe something like a bigger attack delay if you hold LMB for too long a-la "hands tired" or "no more daggers on vest, so i have to pull them outta my ass"

like a charge meter for specs, but for daggers

if you're out of the meter your attack speed is lower

[graceful nova]

Light is hard to balance:

• high speed means the Light usually gets to decide to attack or escape. Exactly “hit-and-run”.
• Light has low health, but hard to hit. So light enemies are no problem if you can aim, but a big problem if you can’t aim.

The weapons on the Light class just decides the range they preferably fight you in, but generally the above is still true

A light only chooses to break off when they need to reload or have low health.

With infinite ammo, they’ll only back off if you can actually hit them.

That’s why fighting throwing knife players 1v1 is so exhausting.

[sleek jacinth]

make it like a sleeve of cards or a yugioh duel deck they need to draw knives from

anything so long as its not infinite

[graceful nova]

If it’s not infinite ammo, I think it needs a traditional reload. If there’s a meter, attacks will still be going, even when slower

[sleek jacinth]

that's what i'm saying
the specifics of the reload don't matter. make the animators go crazy. just give it a traditional reload

[oblique crypt]

How do you reload knives?

[sleek jacinth]

#💣┇weapons-gadgets message

im sure there's other things you could think of too

the lore is literally "you're playing a blood sport in the matrix", i'm sure we can take liberties for the sake of gameplay just like we already do when we accept that ammo is infinite for all weapons (even if it has magazines)

[soft vector]

For those that have seen the new trailer, that fast firing gun is for medium right? And also there is no heavy pictures on the title screen, but a medium and 2 lights. Can anyone tell what the other light is holding (the sentry bot, not the one with the H+)

[graceful nova]

The heal gun is on the light class, the H+ Infuser

[soft vector]

I though it was possible, but the one on the left seems to have too chunky of the part of the gun shown for it to be the H+ no? Do they are both holding the H+?

[winter jay]

do you have a pic

[soft vector]

You can’t send photos here, where do you want it?

[winter jay]

just dm it

[soft vector]

The dimensions on both of the things that the 2 lights are holding don’t seem to be the same, and I doubt they would put 2 skins of the same thing on the title screen for the season right?

[soft vector]

Sent it

[winter jay]

i think the guy in the back is either another med or heavy

the chestpiece looks to broad to be light so it might be heal beam?

[soft vector]

The light on the left looks larger than usual so it seems that they are the same size as the right one, I’ll check real fast, definitely not a heavy though, too small

Seems to me like a bull pup smg or something, the dimensions don’t seem to be the same as the H+ with the CNS guy, and it seems to me like it is a light due to it’s similarity with the CNS guy on the left

[graceful nova]

Honestly I just go by Embark’s official S7 teaser blog

[winter jay]

idk it could just be perspective the guy is pretty far back. maybe a famas skin or smth

[winter jay]

yea but that doesnt tell us anything we dont already know

[soft vector]

Yeah the perspective is off, but it’s too boxy for a famas skin, and how often do they put weapon skins on the title screen?

[winter jay]

i mean im pretty sure the H+ is a skin in the battle pass, and that pike doesnt look default

[gloomy wren]

русские есть?

[slender bear]

I tested a bit a go, and you can kill an opponent with the cashbox <0.1 seconds slower than the fastest you can kill with sword, so if the healing emitter doesn't break when it hits an opponent it might be a better weapon than sword!

[winter jay]

im just gonna need to see true numbers for this stuff, but light gadget seems decent its like 65ish per burst and i think you can have 2 of the heavy balls

[winter jay]

surely they buff sword right? they said they were nerfing it to fix the bugs, and the fixed the bug so now they spent the rest of the season fine tuning it

right?....

[soft vector]

That’s not the pile that’s the new gun

The fast firing one for medium showed in the last trailer

[winter jay]

which trailer? the teaser or the one with the gadgets

[soft vector]

Also if it was the H+ that means that there is a skin for both sides of vaiya and CNS why would they do that?

[soft vector]

The most recent one, the map once towards the end you are in the POV of a medium holding a FCAR type thing with a holo that fires fast, that is the gun the girl holds on the title screen I believe

[fathom turret]

cant see it

[winter jay]

this one?

[soft vector]

Yeah never mind that’s the space skin for the FCAR

I gtg let’s figure this out later

[slender bear]

I just checked, and it turns out sword is actually a decent bit faster than the cashbox in terms of ttk.
From the first frame that the health bar indicates damage to the first frame of the kill indicator on the crosshair:
The cashbox take 1.63 seconds
The sword takes 0.96 seconds.
That'd a difference of 0.64 seconds. Sword is clearly overpowered!

[winter jay]

shit you right lunge should only do 75 dmg

[royal pier]

It'd be cool if all melee weapons got unique quick melee that were treated as a completely different attack with unique damage values, speeds, or effects.

Make sword require combos to effectively get kills, for example. Maybe lunge stops you on contact with an enemy, but buffs the other two attacks.

[fathom turret]

that b cool

[soft vector]

Aight wheezing I’m back you ready to figure this out?

[winter jay]

Sure

[lavish swallow]

Tbh you already need to think about the optimal attacks to kill people fast, so I don't think combos are needed.
Also lunge stopping you would just be a death sentence. Your survival in fights depends on dashing and sliding around people, so lunge killing your momentum would be bad.

[winter jay]

just have the hitbox stop not ur momentum

[thorn siren]

B.A.R. for Medium? It's an LMG but its only got 20 rounds, i feel like that would be fair

[lavish swallow]

That's also bad, because cleave is like the only thing sword has over DB. Stopping the hitbox would kill that.

I really just want sword to get damage reverted and left alone.

[winter jay]

they probably wont do that. if they dont leave it as is its losing something

[lavish swallow]

It already lost phantoms, which was one of the few ways you could kill a competent heavy.

[winter jay]

that was a bug and theyve been on a bug deleteing kick no matter how much people liked them. im wondering when gadget swapping is getting axed

[lavish swallow]

I hate the trend of gutting anything that is unintended, even if it's cool. Instead of rebalancing around it they just kill it.
Even harmless things like goo ship got removed :c

[lavish swallow]

Gadget swapping is really only useful for sliding out of lunge now, it doesn't reset the cooldown for sword. Kinda pointless to axe it now.

But it's embark, so I wouldn't be surprised. They hate tech.

[winter jay]

a tragedy

[slender bear]

We need the goo plane back, as well as grapple nades and barrels.

[bright hill]

Ong

That is literally what I've been saying to make the grapple viable for ages

It would make the gateway-grapple combo really powerful

[oblique crypt]

Wouldn't you usually want to push grenades Away from you not grapple them towards you?

[tulip grove]

how is grapple not viable

it's arguably the strongest light spec in the game due to it's unrivaled freedom of movement

[winter jay]

its prolly the worst of the 3 tbh. maybe tied w cloak but i think its a little worse but dash is number 1 rn. you use grapple to get in or get out most of the time.

[ornate fable]

cloak is meat

[tulip grove]

Dash is great in engagements, yes, but Grapple really isn't comparable to Cloak.

If you try to use Grapple with the same mindset at Dash, Dash ends up as a superior pick.

[winter jay]

I’m just comparing them in terms of meta viability. When I say grapple is the worst I don’t mean in the game or even that it’s bad, it’s just not as good as the other two. It still has its uses and it’s niches that the other two can’t compete with.

[tulip grove]

That is fair, but I still feel like grapple is slept on if this is the general opinion between the three specs in terms of meta viability.

I've been a big grapple fan for a long time.

[slender bear]

Here's your daily reminder that you can defib people and pyro nade them immediately after in TDM! Make sure to get back at those TDM defibbers!

Day: 2

[faint steppe]

That just sounds like old FCAR

[sinful dagger]

I think grapple is very good with long range weapons like lh1 or sniper. it's the best spec for repositioning and gaining high ground. Especially combined with thermal bore

[ornate fable]

it's fun with m11 to just grapple on people's heads

[radiant orbit]

Here’s a very long term riot player talking about melee, y’all might find it interesting.

https://youtu.be/A2WmYG5yQlw?si=rnm2Hytc2MP17x0a

[radiant orbit]

It straight up isn’t as good as dash but I have a lot of Titanfall 2 muscle memory and I can come damn close to out maneuvering dash players usually. I love me some grapple.

Which makes this heal gun exciting because I’m a support main usually. I’ll be able to 93R grapple while healing next season. Good stuff.

[obsidian island]

i disagree, grapple tops both dash and invisibility - it offers just as much sneak ability as invisibility as you can hurtle yourself before they can even see you, and acts as a flat out better dash, unless using say, sword

[slender bear]

It's worth noting that dash has three charges.
Dash is much better for combat and escaping inside buildings or around corners, but grapple has good escape potential for reaching rooftops and the like.
It's not nearly as good as invis for sneaking around though, you can hear the grapple from a mile away, which isn't a problem if you activate the cloaking device far enough away that enemies don't hear you as you approach.

Grapple is better for overall traversal, but in just about any other situation dash is a better option.

[shadow onyx]

istg they be finding the most useless harmless tech that is fun and go out of their way to remove it for no reason

[winter jay]

Yea I love grapple I just don’t think it’s as good. This is verbatim what I was gonna use though 😆

[radiant orbit]

I’ve been experimenting with tracking dart and nullifier as well, I’m gonna go full harassment scout.

Tracking dart is weirdly I think kinda good? I thought it was trash for the longest time but it really puts the fear of god in flankers. It and the nullifier can basically eat two outta three in a team it’s great.

[winter jay]

I keep debating between null and goo because gateways never leaving the loud out. I can’t decide if gooong off pushes or nulling a guy and making him watch as I heal my teammates would be more fun

[winter jay]

Yea it’s good.Sad I missed the ruby one 😔

[radiant orbit]

Hard to go back after equipping goo though. It’s just so versatile.

May as well go full NeonGutz and do grapple sh1900 gateway goo and nullifier

[winter jay]

If the 93r isn’t cutting it, it’s what I switch back to.

[radiant orbit]

I love to play the mind game

It especially terrifies heavies for some reason. Not sure why.

Makes em’ feel exposed I guess 🤷‍♂️

[winter jay]

Goo does everything in the game besides killing people and I get two of them. I hope it’s never nerfed 🤣

[winter jay]

The best part is they just start running and separate themselves which is what light wants

[radiant orbit]

I think the only serious complaint I’ve heard is folks saying it’s just slightly too hard to break. But tbh it’s in a pretty perfect spot otherwise.

[winter jay]

Yea I think if they touch anything on it, it’s gotta be small

[radiant orbit]

I’ve also seen people in #👂┇game-feedback say heavy’s goo gun is overpowered so like, who knows really.

[slender bear]

I love the idea of pointing out one guy and making sure EVERYONE in a TDM round knows where he is at all times.
It's too bad it gets hard countered by smoke though.

[radiant orbit]

Unless I’m being really pissy about one dickhead I think sonar is usually better in tdm, that mode is like a whole different universe.

If it wasn’t so obnoxious getting defibed over and over I’d use it as a warm up. But no

[slender bear]

If somebody defibs me too much, I just switch medium and follow them around so I can defib them back and throw a pyro nade on them.

[slender bear]

I have an idea for the H+ infuser
Lower healing and increase uptime, so it heals something like 20 hps for 15 seconds.
That would be a really bad change on its own, so let it "infuse" healing barrels by shooting them, causing them to additionally heal however much health was put into them (up to a full mag) over the course of their duration.
This would make sure the H+ Infuser doesn't compete with healing beam, while giving it potential for self healing (with preperation) and it would make healing barrels somewhat relevant for once.
It might still kill the gadget's viability, but it would be pretty interesting.

[novel thicket]

I was thinking of that it could give a temporary shield for better survivability or something rather than heal, like it could be only be applied when teammate is hurt but doesn’t last a while or something

Like uptime is quick but shouldn’t give a lot of heals

Just throwing ideas

[viral flume]

When are the developers gonna actually do something about the medium grenade launcher it’s a gun that takes zero skill cool you shot st there feet 100 damage dealt in one shot and here comes 4 more like excuse me th std ridiculous the Heavy RPG(Rocket Propelled GRENADE) does a 100 BUT has a 20sec cooldown makes sense it does A HUNDRED damage. Triple stack mediums running aim bot turrets and nuke launchers with healing beams and and de-fibs are actually ruining this game it’s crazy

[novel thicket]

I think you struggle with mediums in general, them running CL makes them easier to kill

[opaque mica]

GL isn't that strong. 100 dmage at feet, no. Also the skill in hitting a projectile weapon at something like a lights feet is a little bit difficult.

meanwhile little timmy light has a 2shot heavy deletion gun in 1.2 seconds but hey can't kill them in 2s but they're allowed to kill everyone else that fast or faster.

I think the dilution of roles is such a bad step for this game long term but hey light has a clear favour from devs and sweats it's frankly absurd.

[deep mason]

Just a healing dart would be fair cause u need aim and it's long range,it's a charged shot and it speeds up the health regen.

[vernal raft]

1911 when?

[viral flume]

I wouldn’t say lights are favored by the devs the amount of nerfs we have is crazy the original intention of a light being a glass cannon was fine a clad with low health to deal massive close range damage I mean it makes sense but it doesn’t make sense to me why add a character class with more health to do more damage I mean I see the idea but it’s frustrating playing light and I’m getting first shots off hitting most of them (I’m not perfect) and getting two shot deleted by some medium with a repeater, or grenade launcher, or cerb, or even the revolver (2-3) I’m not one to sit around and say lights aren’t annoying too cus I’ve dealt with my fair share of grimy lights too cloaking shotguns or dashing swords the whole shabang but I’m just a light the runs any smg typically I like to get in fights, I normally lose but and this is probably a skill issue but pushing players who arent lights is 10x harder unless they are garbage because the range difference is so large I just want some thought into how mediums have been built into this god tier class where even a triple stack heavy team can be easily wiped out by them this is really just a rant but I pray just even a little damage nerfs come there way cus I just pray for a fighting chance

[rough carbon]

what about the M1918 BAR

[shut bane]

These classic ones just aren’t weird or wacky enough imo, they’re definitely unique but embark likes the wacky stuff that can be modernized

[slender bear]

I kind of want to see a passive jetpack spec at some point.
I know some people want one on heavy and that seems fitting, but as a light main I want it on light too. Being able to float down into the death pits to set up goo grenades or being able to use a jetpack to construct bridges sounds awesome.

[icy sparrow]

@potent briar v9s gets destroyed by player with xp and ar.
Just have perfect hipfire while moving,this will fix v9s

[faint cobalt]

Light as a class right now (especially in 40k and higher lobbies) is not as big of a problem as I see people talking about it. Now this probably means a couple different things. (and I know most people know this but I would still like to list some of my thoughts)
** 1. The light class is not meant to be a push all fights kind of class.** I bring this up because you said pushing players that are not Light class is difficult unless they are bad. This is a true statement, and of coarse I dont have the ability to see how you play light but often the same happens to me when I run head first at any class, including lights. All this to say I think the problem that I encountered while trying to learn "Pushing" fights as light is that its often the hardest aspect of the class, Light is a flanking class and I belive that most of its weapons require it to be played as such.
2. Light is very killable (but also not). This is another obvious statement that I know everyone will understand after playing 2 matches as light but my main point here is that they are rats. Of coarse you dont need to play light like a rat but a lot of the gameplay you will have as light in high elo is a pick 1 and dive kind of gameplay where either its a light 1v1 or you get a pick and ape the shit out of them. Both of these tactics require what the light class has a lot of utility for, movement. But this can also be one of the worser or more anoying aspects of a light because when people are not playing at high elo game sense or just good mechanics, it makes a light, who might not even be very good mechanically but knows how to abuse the slipperyness of the class very well, hard to kill. (this message is getting to long, if anyone wants to continue this conversation I would love to talk about it otherwise Ive done my yapping.)

[drowsy dragon]

True, unless as a light you totally face check an entire team around the corner or you encounter a HV or M at medium range and you miss most of the shots you are dead, otherwise if the player is not stupid and predict what will happen in certain situations the movement and utilities allow them to face these problems

[trail saffron]

i wamnt tommy gun

[arctic shuttle]

This is a horrible take. The devs favoured light class since season 1. Play other class. It’s pure sweatiness to survive. Play light. Easy kills.

[hardy dust]

Mediums are absolutely the favored class by far

Its nowhere near close whatsoever

[polar cedar]

although they refuse to rework the SH, I 100% agree
mediums are better at destruction than heavies with demat, are the best at support because of defib and can close huge distances really quickly with jump+goo/zipline
they also have the cerberus which is crazy for utility + is arguably better than double barrel

[hardy dust]

They have the best weapons and extremely solid util.

[polar cedar]

heavily disagree on that first point (asides from cerb) but defib, demat, jump pad/zip and goo basically makes them a jack of all trades

[hardy dust]

Not in a direct comparison, but relative to their class, they have the strongest arsenal.

Pike and cerb are arguably the best close and long range weapons in the game, and medium has very solid midrange weapons

[polar cedar]

oh yeah I can see that
I still think light takes the cake (very close), but I see what you mean
I think the 2 big problems are pike and cerb like you said

[hardy dust]

If pike and cerb get nerfs medium is actually gonna be in a pretty balanced spot

[polar cedar]

fr, but unfortunately I think famas and fcar are gonna be nerfed before pike 😭

[hardy dust]

I hope not, they're decently balanced right now

[polar cedar]

real

[icy sparrow]

This is a must,I am onto to something here plz listen🙏
💥heavy/medium class chainsaw would be the melee equivalent to the minigun.
To put it in crude terms it’s a melee minigun but more mobile with movement but lower damage,u have to reload the fuel.Atleast it will be good with destruction as the minigun takes forever to break walls.Just not sure if it will be a gadget or a weapon.

[torn mantle]

What's the gold ranked skin for this season

[ashen hawk]

@sinful dagger yeah well i get the fun part is dashing around but realize that its incredibly annoying for the other side and no one likes a guy who zooms across the entire map in seconds and the only thing he has to do to damage is flick around.

i get it like it a lot too but if u increase the lunge distance to like half of the evas dash lunge distance itll be almost the same thing. maybe increase the evas dash distance then. but fgs sword evas dash lunge is nightmare

@icy sparrow wont lie these are 🔥 ideas. except i dont think itll be a good idea to use inspect animations bcz some ppl might just want to inspect without doing anything fancy or startin an attack, so it might get a bit inconsistent.

[icy sparrow]

I mean what buttons r there to press for the combo?

U have to press inspect and alt together so no mix up happens

[ashen hawk]

ok yea that would do good, but it would be difficutl bcz pressing two buttons simultaneously doesnt always go right. if youve ever tried to Ctrl+V to paste some text on your computer and you type V instead of pasting just because you pressed V only a milisecond after Ctrl you'll understand what I'm talking about.

But what if we were allowed to choose which alt attack we want? So basically you could go to the equipment area in the menu and choose whether you want the blocking alt attack or the other one that you mentioned.

[icy sparrow]

The time window isn’t short for the button pressing no worries

Or just press inspect twice

[icy sparrow]

@restive plover weapon idea

💥Auto cross for heavy class and u can climb on top of the bolts https://youtu.be/LN1j3w0zchU?si=7g8onmgiaC2Qs8Fs

New weapon idea💥(fanning revolver)
Get a medium range projectile based (small wall hole destruction) slug single action revolver for light that is one shot when u aim however close range (hipfire only)u can do a 3 tap trick for it to do a 3 round burst it look really cool u can see it

https://youtube.com/shorts/pBgKklG1X6o?si=6Y3TaKIjVJ2LPOB0

Add claymore sword for medium class,primary attacks r wide swings 170 degrees and holding alt attack blocks half the damage and deflect only a few but releasing it after holding it does a downward slash and the higher the damage the higher u fall so u can use dematerialise spec to attack players downward and surprise attacks,good combo with jump pad for very high damage,claymore has more to do with positioning rather then combo which duel blades is quicker at combo

[soft vector]

As a friendly PSA to lights, remember to bring glitch grenades into your matches with heavies, as I have a feeling there will be a lot of pairing with the shields and healing emitter :))

[novel thicket]

Gogo gadget data reshaper

[opaque mica]

I think that maybe a few of the one sec deletes need to go because as a heavy with 350hp i'm not enduring enough fights and i'm happy to lose a bit of damage on all classes to bring up the TTK by a few seconds to all classes. to me Heavy is sustained fighting, medium supports that sustain and fills gaps, light is the kite with bite.

and the weapons are starting to overlap too much with each season. Shak is neat but the lewis gun fulfilled that 'assault rifle' role in heavys kit. to me the XP and M11 are too similar in role and function

Also give that damn bow a 'ammo' system like the SA1216 rechamber please it's so annoying to deal with that damage at the rate and ease it has with no downtime

[bright hill]

Bruh. It is the least used in high ranks/pro play and even then literally only with sh1900 which isn't even the meta pick rn

[exotic skiff]

Saying grapple is better than dash or invis is crazy

[strong brook]

Which shotgun is better for Light?

[frank sorrel]

definitely Double Barrel

[exotic skiff]

Rlly depend m26 is insane as well just not the same gameplay (m26>db)

[frank sorrel]

DATA RESHAPER REWORK - I wanted to put a picture to illustrate it, but I can't so please use ur imagination 🎁
We all know how data reshaper is an underrated gadget. It's decent, but by no means strong. It uses 1 slot of the medium gadgets and it def is not worth to pick up between all the good gadgets medium has.
To add more versatility to the item, I suggest this:

Before a match, when equipping the data reshaper in your loadout, you get to pick 2 differents slots. 1 for RMB - 1 for LMB. So, there you get to pick into which barrel the reshaped item turns into. (For example: LMB u select gas barell and RMB u select healing barell)
With this change I think it's worth losing a gadget slot for because it will add more creativity/complexity for Medium loadouts instead of the random barell cycle that we have.
Also, for every item you reshape wherever it's a turret, prop or a barell, it will become a gift box (OPPORTUNITY FOR SKINS, Embark ⚠️ 😉 ).
That way, only you and your team get to know what this gift box does when it's thrown! Ennemies will have to be careful and throw it away, or gamble on luck and use it hoping it's a healing box.

In terms of looks, I am thinking either a gift box, or a simple glass ball with a glowing question mark inside it ''?''

[novel thicket]

How can I use it effectively, I kinda struggle using it properly.

[radiant orbit]

M26 is more consistent if your aim is true and you play a little more carefully, you can do pretty nasty movement work and still three tap heavies at like 10m. But the SH1900 is better for really aggressive play and will kill faster.

[radiant orbit]

Keep at about 10m, aim dead center, jump around alot, profit?

[exotic skiff]

It's about movement and good hipfire aim

You want ur team to engage then you Can go (like 1sc after)

Even if you engage killing a good m26 gonna take long and you prolly will have done enough dmg to win the fight

Dash or invis are both good with it imo

[novel thicket]

I will take this info into consideration

Thanks

[strong brook]

Which weapon takes the least skill to use in the game? I always feel like the GL40 is among them. Oh, look, just point and click

[exotic skiff]

Melee weapons like sledge

[near scroll]

not this again 😭

[dusky field]

Saying Melee weapons take the least skill to use 💔

[strong brook]

I mean, i found that sledge is easily countered by just move backwards

[near scroll]

if you can aim, low recoil automatic hitscan guns (like XP-54 or AKM) are extremely straightforward to use
however it's quite difficult to pinpoint the least skilled weapon in this game

[strong brook]

I tried the XP-54. It's alright. Then i tried the ARN. It is really good. Then i tried the V9S. I'm in love

[viral flume]

I just can’t agree with that I’ve played light and been a light main since the game first came out and yes I can get kills in those 1v1 scenarios but if at any point a medium or heavy slots me before I spot then it’s over a medium and a light have the same ttk and the medium has 100 more health which means I need to hit my shots first so I have to flank or hide and pop out on them but for medium and heavy (which I’ve been playing recently cus being a fragile piece of paper is annoying) I’ve seen how easy it is I can pull off top fragging and objective at the same time and still be able to come out alive the only difficult part of light which someone mentioned was they are slippery and their movement makes it so annoying to hit and I’m aware of that shooting them is hard and when I run light dodging bullets is about all I have to defend myself but even that’s not enough when the servers tick rate has other plans. End of story light has been anything but favored since the game came out the list of nerfs we’ve attained since the start is crazy the shotgun has been nerfed to the ground it either tickles or 1 shots lights and if lucky 2 shot meds, the sword has received the largest and craziest damage nerf I’ve ever seen in a game with its lunge damage being tanked from 140-100 and the list goes on the effective ranges of our songs have been nerfed saber with damage drop off the xp-54 in a decent up date was “toned down” whatever that means while the nerfs that come towards mediums are “dragons breath shotgun shoots 11 pellets instead of 12” also your dual blades??? They’ve been buffed to where you’re practically Deadpool with the amount of bullets deflected FROM EVERY INCH OF YOUR FRONT EVEN TOES the riot shield doesn’t even block toes im just saying mediums are broken, extremely high damage with gl, revolver, fcar, repeater, etc, they are a support class with healing and quick revive, and movement with jump pads and zip lines at that point why play any other character

[arctic shuttle]

Disagree I regularly play between all three classes and light class easily blinds and evade everything, the sniper with hitscan is broken. Season 1 meta is invis and sword. After nerf, double barrel and dash. Season 2 meta is throwing knives and sword. Season 3 also throwing knives. Season 4 and 5 is between M11 and xp 50 AND throwing knives. And before the taser rework all the weapons mentioned above were paired with taser. Beyond broken. It drives me crazy going against them. Glitch nades make medium and heavy’s tools useless. You worried about riot shield and dual blades? Higher ranked people woth dash is GOOD at keeping distance and perform guerilla warfare. I use riot shield regularly, other mediums and heavys (except meleee heavies) were easy kills. Light? Easy kill if they have skill issue. Don’t f*cking mag dump when he raises the shield. Change positions. Easy peasy. Dual blades are very easy to deal with as well.

I play light class if I really want to harass other teams. I play light class regularly using sonar, smoke, invis combo with no skill M11.

Do you have any idea how no skill easy kill the M11 are? You complaining about high damage weapons with medium and heavy? Well light class has bow, M14 rifle, sniper rifle, and pistol. My gosh bow and M14 are delicious. Sooo juicy when paired with glitch nade and melt heavies when they can’t use shields or dome shield.

If you can’t easily use stabbing knife and invis against medium and heavy. That’s straight up no skill.

Before I used to be heavy main to suppress fire AND shield my friends. But noooooo it’s either glitch nades or invis double barrel or invis and sword.

Heavy and medium are wonderful support class but never as good as light. Marksman and pike are good, but almost useless if they double barrel your face first. Insta kill. Oh wait. Yeah I am that scummy light double barrel invis whenever I see someone using pike. It’s that easy.

Medium requires teamwork, so does heavy. I feel so useless if I’m medium by myself oh my goodness I’m more vunerable than a turtle without a shell. You can’t revive when your teammates are across the bloody map in ranked or world tour. Heavy? Heavy is still fine but still nice woth one guy. Light? That solo mf is an equalizer. Very fun of a class. I hate going against them tho.

[sweet thistle]

3 shots with pike and a light is dead. 2 shots with the repeater.

If you're medium you have no issue fighting a light.

[arctic shuttle]

If you played rank. They can’t hit me with their pykes lmao

[brittle yoke]

did you say invis dagger is so easy if you cant use it you have no skill?😭 invis dagger is so dogshit

[arctic shuttle]

Invis dagger is good. Try it some time

[sweet thistle]

It is not

Sounds like you just do quick cash Redwolf

[arctic shuttle]

No, funny enough

Dagger is one shot against everyone in the back idk why yall don’t use it

[near scroll]

so many dagger mains u can ask in this server lol

[sweet thistle]

Because meta right now is Assault rifle and SMG fighting from a distance beaming people together.

Dagger is one of the hardest weapons to use.

The angle for the backstab was nerfed also

[arctic shuttle]

Arn is good, but M11 is no skill of a weapon. 5 times better than ak

[plush harbor]

ak is mediocre but the m11 is worse

[sweet thistle]

M11 is okay

Yeah I agree with blank. Ak is better than the m11

[plush harbor]

ak at least had range and a decent magazine with decent recoil m11 has no range and horrid recoil

[sweet thistle]

Only really useful if you're super up close and then it's still not that great

[arctic shuttle]

If you’re using m11 as an arn. Idk what’s in your head using an smg as an AR

[sweet thistle]

Xp and Arn are the best light weapons at this moment

[plush harbor]

and matter

[sweet thistle]

Meta right now is fighting medium-range

[radiant orbit]

I feel like pretty much everything has a curve of effectiveness. The starting weapons are all easy to pickup but can really do work if mastered (minus the akm kinda.)

They seem to want almost everything to function that way though it seems. Easy to pickup hard to master, everything else is kinds outliers like the revolver.

[arctic shuttle]

Every encounter has been cqc in my games. Especially recently

[plush harbor]

Are you in silver or ruby lobbies

because there is a big difference in how people play between those two elos

[sweet thistle]

The higher up in rank you go the more the fights are about focus fire as a team and less about going risky super close and selfish

Take light for example in ruby. It's xp/arn with glitch, thermal, sonar. You keep your distance with these things.

[viral flume]

I agree on behalf that the light M-11 is a beast of a gun that even at the hip hits all its shots but the other light weapons? I wouldn’t put on such a high mantle I mean the sniper can only one shot lights to the head I can do anything if I’m actually sniping because all you gotta do is duck behind cover as I try to hit my 2 other shots to kill a medium and 3-4 for a heavy and the sniper hasn’t been hitscan since like season 2 it has bullet travel and drop and has for a long time so you can’t use that excuse also stab in is no skill? Invis makes you “invisible” at the cost that Helen Keller could echolocate you because you sound like a cloaker from payday you might be invis but unless that person is stupid beyond belief they are snuffing out your invis before you reach em, also you say glitch nades make heavy gadgets and medium gadgets useless which is kinda the point of a glitch grenade to stop the players from using there gadgets or abilities and you mentioned my point about riot shields and blades talking about higher ranked people can easily deal with them and I feel like that’s self explanatory they are higher ranked they play better and it shows I’m just a gold 4-3 I’m not amazing and I’m not garbage I play the game to have fun with my buddies but it’s so hard to even have fun with a 3 Time emerald medium is in my lobby because yk SBMM is a thing totally and I get wipe after wipe after wipe not standing a chance even ranked sometimes has a crazy skill difference I was once paired with a plat 1 who just dropped from diamond and I’ve never see platinum so if skill is what it takes to counter then I’m shit outta luck rn it would be better if it was somewhat balanced around midrange players cus looking at the top 1% to make an argument is unfair when there is plenty of the player base going unrecognized

[arctic shuttle]

It’s hard to explain. Like I am in silver lobbies but all their player card contain rubies, emeralds, amethyst. I only play ranked with my close friends bc of team coordination. But like even in silver lobbies every team has been cooridinated. Never seen solo slefosh ones that commonly

[sweet thistle]

3 body shots for a heavy with sniper

[radiant orbit]

For instance the cl is easy to pickup with its aoe damage but the ttk is so abysmal you have to hit directly and move evasively if you want to out damage anyone with half a braincell.

[near scroll]

why does sniper take as many shots to kill a heby as it does a medium?? riddle me this embarf

[south compass]

Nice

[arctic shuttle]

Especially compared to quick cash.

[sweet thistle]

Should 1-shot headshot mediums then I think sniper is in a good spot.

[viral flume]

I did say that

[sweet thistle]

3-4

[viral flume]

What’s the first number there

It was a range cus I was unsure

[near scroll]

might be strong enough to bring about a sniper meta hahaha

[sweet thistle]

Yeah just helping out that uncertainty, friend

[arctic shuttle]

Last two games ago. One dude with a sniper was crazy good. His movement was fluid. I need to learn that lol

[sweet thistle]

Would be fun honestly. It's not an easy weapon to use. And I would take anything but the assault rifle meta we have now. It's very boring

Sniper and sword are the most fun weapons to me. Not sword anymore tho, hoping they bring it back

[arctic shuttle]

Sword season 1 is a horror I would like to not experience against ty

[near scroll]

i'm just scared of sniper/pike/deagles meta where every fight is a rooftop pokefest until one team pads in

[sweet thistle]

Yeah that was way too OP lol it was fun tho

[viral flume]

Rip to the sword 😩(I barely used it

[sweet thistle]

Sounds kinda exciting in a way tho

[arctic shuttle]

Oh i enjoy sword. Love the pixel diamond sword skin so much

[sweet thistle]

I have it in lvl 10

[arctic shuttle]

Nice

[sweet thistle]

Used it 90% of the time 😆

[near scroll]

if map design wasn't as problematic yes.
imagine pushing a team holding seoul hospital as sniper/pike/deagles and your team is running close quarters shit

[sweet thistle]

True that

[near scroll]

i'm just not a fan of "checkmate" situations yknow

[arctic shuttle]

Surprised yall still complain about map design. I loved every map so far

[sweet thistle]

I love every map except bernal that map can go to hell 🤣

I don't like the assymetrical stuff. Low rooftops. I like verticality

[arctic shuttle]

That is hard to play. Still haven’t gotten used to it

[sweet thistle]

Yea I don't know every door/corridor yet

[near scroll]

the map design in itself isn't bad, it just combos with poor spawns (players and objective locations) to make some pretty unpleasant experiences

btw congrats on the period role rapier haha

[arctic shuttle]

The spawn distance as defending team can suck sooo much. Watching 10 seconds. Enemy take last second and you have 100m to run

[amber ermine]

talk about vaults location, I deadass had open many vaults where they were 15 meters away from the cashout

[dreamy hare]

100m? In my case 178m in last round

[arctic shuttle]

Nice

[dreamy hare]

Sometimes spawns are so far, so even no point to run to it

[fathom cove]

is dis a gud fcar skin

[young pewter]

There is a shinier one from that season
But purple is peak

[fathom cove]

i couldnt get it 😦

or is it the one in store

[near scroll]

u mean the one like the AK we got in S2 circuits? isn't the FCAR one a separate purchaseable bundle?

[fathom cove]

ur talking about

[young pewter]

I meant diamond

[near scroll]

oh lol

[fathom cove]

oh

[fathom cove]

Wait was dat s2

bru s2 and s3 had fire music

[young pewter]

I only use s1 2 and 3 soundtrack

[fathom cove]

i include b sides

[young pewter]

I feel like bsides goes really well with the new map

[fathom cove]

why do i have ten revolver skins

[fathom cove]

ye

[copper aspen]

Why wouldn’t you?

[young pewter]

Revolver is infact peak

[fathom cove]

what is ur fave revolver skin

[copper aspen]

Diamonds

[young pewter]

Diamonds diamonds or stick
But stick cant use gunspins

[copper aspen]

With the cool animations

[near scroll]

S2 ost on top ngl

[fathom cove]

dis one?

[young pewter]

Yup

[fathom cove]

dis ones my fave

[young pewter]

I wish i played the ob so bad

[copper aspen]

Ya

[fathom cove]

i did but only got weapon skins no outfits 😦

[copper aspen]

Fr

[near scroll]

same, brother... 😔

[fathom cove]

I think i played one cb

[copper aspen]

I joined in the 1st Christmas event

[tribal lantern]

I'm kind've bummed that I got in this game so late, I won't be able to get the bonus pages done before S7. 😢

[fathom cove]

anyone else mad they didnt bring back recon senses

[young pewter]

I bought them the day before the season ended 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[fathom cove]

NOOOO rip bro

[opaque mica]

and account fir drop and distance etc....oh wait that's more than point and click...woopsies

[fathom cove]

Guys ima paly terminal attack for the first time

[near scroll]

brother 😭
don't

[steady crystal]

What's wrong with terminal attack?

[opaque mica]

single use gadgets.

Honestly it needs to be changed to just have a 300-400% cooldown on things to keep that one use feel but allowing for retreat, regroup and attack again play

[fathom cove]

what weapon do yall palay iron sights

though it has scopes

[polar trout]

i believe pike is a pretty cold take

[fathom cove]

ye i play akm and lh1 without scope

and sometimes pike

[glad surge]

Ak50 has a cool sight picture

[fathom cove]

does u mean shak 50

[polar trout]

well obviously

a simple shortening

tho most people do shak but it works

[fathom cove]

Ok i just never thought that

[gusty rock]

Mp5 cuz the optics have wierd zoom

[boreal laurel]

All shotguns—but then I never ADS on shotties anyway. For all other guns I use optics

[gusty relic]

When are they announcing new weapons or specializations?

[fathom cove]

i dont think they will have either

sometime in a q&a they said they won't release all of it in every season like how this season we got only weapons

it keeps it so there isnt a shit ton of stuff

[gusty relic]

So just 3 gadgets for next season?

[fathom cove]

prbly

[gusty relic]

Dang 😓

[fathom cove]

idk thats my guess

[fathom cove]

THe battlepass is fire

and arc raiders will get more love

[soft vector]

Ok, so the new weapons were showcased in the battle pass trailer, and one is a rifle shape and the other is a box, it seems that the rifle is for medium, and I have no clue for the box, and ideas?

[fathom cove]

WHAT AM I BLIND TO SEE THE WEAPON

[polar trout]

skins

[fathom cove]

ye it looks like the cl40 and pike

[soft vector]

You can see it when they show the vaiya weapon skins and more easily when you see them in the ultimate battle pass section

No they aren’t skins due to them being on the title screen of the season

[polar trout]

my thoughts exactly

[polar trout]

so if they dont have any weapons for the season, what are they gonna have the people hold

sit there holding a beach ball? a tablet for the drill?

[soft vector]

Also, if this was the case, why would there be 2 of the same unique skin build in different styles and colors

[stark shadow]

What's tomorrow's hype post gonna be about if not new weapons or specs? Seems lackluster

[polar trout]

because theyre for different weapons. ya know, like a skin set?

[soft vector]

Why would there be the version from the ultimate battle pass and a regular vaiya one

[fathom cove]

Yeah i was like new weapon then i was like no just stupid cl40

[polar trout]

honestly no glitch effects (liek data breach or wtv from s2) is a big miss

[winter jay]

I’m also gonna say it’s the CL

[soft vector]

I’ll dm you the photos 🫤

[polar trout]

thats the one thing i wanted

i mean the rest looks nice but gimme the ariad effect pleaaaaaase

[fathom cove]

ye im sad abt that

give us more of deeez

[soft vector]

@polar trout check dms

[fathom cove]

like cns is hacking and it to be that clean lookin skins with a map that is glitchy makes me mad

[polar trout]

bonus pages

[fathom cove]

ye ivada had bonus pages for s4 so thats what i thunk

[lapis hound]

I assume this is an M60? I'm not sure honestly

[soft vector]

Prolly not

[gusty rock]

Cl 40

[lapis hound]

Too thin for Cl40

[soft vector]

Could be a new gun bc it’s on the title screen of the season or the CL40

[gusty rock]

You can see the 40mm irons

[soft vector]

That does make sense, but I don’t understand why they would put weapon skins on the front page of the season you know

[winter jay]

It’s a rectangle wdym too thin

[thick holly]

I'm hoping melee becomes more consistent in this next season

[placid slate]

Gonna get some random ass balance change that'll make every melee worse again

[fathom cove]

na its a new model of cl40

[sand monolith]

They are just skins

It’s an MGL skin and a pike skin

[soft vector]

MGL?

[sand monolith]

Thankfully, there are no new weapons this season. We really didn’t need more

[sand monolith]

Yeah, the heavy is holding it in the key art. It’s likely the MGL rework could finally be coming this season

[sand monolith]

Just realized that’s not a heavy

Cl40 and pike :—)

[placid slate]

Medium glaze never ends at embark studios

[lapis hound]

I don't think it's a new weapon but at 47 seconds in the Come and Play teaser, there's a semi auto that doesn't match anything I've found

[sand monolith]

That’s the turret

[placid slate]

That's a turret

[boreal laurel]

This actually looks like a turret

[lapis hound]

Ah

[placid slate]

Didn't get new gadget in season 4, similar case here

[fathom cove]

that is a turret for your information

[lapis hound]

Wow no really

[fathom cove]

srry

[placid slate]

Idk man, new weapons are kinda already causing problems, arn is way too close to the xp and is gonna create a balance nightmare

[fathom cove]

now this is a small chance what if we get a new thing mid season

[fathom cove]

agreed

[opaque mica]

gl40

note the irons

[fathom cove]

when is dat

[opaque mica]

turret

[fathom cove]

ok thanks

What do yall think the sponsors gifts be

[dreamy hare]

And turret its fcar with big scope

[amber plinth]

Last Reveal Tomorrow, thoughts?

[wanton osprey]

Did they confirm it?

[sand monolith]

yes

[wanton osprey]

Where did they confirm it?

[sand monolith]

somewhere in general chat i cba to go look

[left blaze]

I mean they said it’s going to be something important, so I’m hoping it’s something gameplay related (although, it could have been the announcement of legacy passes, so maybe we’ll just see the sponsor tracks tomorrow)

[amber plinth]

I hope so, but I also think that it will be the sponsor track like you said.

[fathom cove]

both would be ok with me but gameplay related they havent chnge much of that in a while

[gloomy bobcat]

where da bow skins embark :(

[fathom cove]

wait is season 7 coming out tomorrow or thursday

[fathom cove]

ok

[heady rapids]

These sounds like very good ideas

[fathom cove]

call it glitch beacon

[heady rapids]

@hybrid lynx The kinetic repulsor kind of reminds me of the Subwoofer in COD Zombies

[timber sparrow]

Assuming no new weapons were shown in the battlepass i highly doubt

[lost yoke]

will there be any AKM skins in the season 7 battle pass?

[sand monolith]

A non survivability spec for light wouldn’t work

[slender bear]

I love both of these ideas, but for the light one to be a spec it would need at least a 10m radius, which doesn't sound very fun to deal with.

[sand monolith]

Guys there aren’t any primary weapons

[slender bear]

Maybe we're still getting a big spec reveal...
I would never cope!

[sand monolith]

Its not that either

[slender bear]

Still could be
We haven't gotten the official season 7 trailer

[sand monolith]

It’s not

[slender bear]

It could be

[sand monolith]

No it couldn’t, the preview build is already sent out and downloaded and people have been leaking

Yea

Wow I didn’t realize that comes off as snobby and annoying. Just trying to say, don’t get super excited for any new loadout options aside from what we’ve seen

[heady rapids]

There’s a new loadout options?

[sand monolith]

Can’t say exactly where cause it’s against the rules here but just private finals servers

[sand monolith]

No just the new gadgets

[heady rapids]

And yeah that’s true we haven’t gotten the actual trailer yet. It was a teaser trailer we got right?

[sand monolith]

Can promise it’s not misinformation

[heady rapids]

There will be jetpacks for heavies

[sand monolith]

Here I’ll give you some words that will only make sense once the season comes out to prove I wasn’t lying

[sand monolith]

“Gaming turtle” :—)

There isn’t. But I think that’s a good thing. Weapons become harder and harder to balance when there’s more of them. Gadgets and specs get easier to balance when there’s more

[heady rapids]

If you think about it
S6 had new weapons for each class but no new gadgets
It would make sense if this season had new gadgets instead to change the pace

[sand monolith]

Hopefully they buff the dogshit weapons instead to act as new weapons. Like if MGL was reworked into a usable weapon

The game has had a pretty consistent player count for a while now

I think it’s good they’re slowing down with new weapons

They let too many poorly designed ones slip through

[plush harbor]

@sand monolith watching finalscord burn is immensely satisfying

especially seeing suzu mald beyond belief

[shell sonnet]

@hazy spoke

fomo isnt an argument if you can always get the passes no matter the season
can you get the ultimate pass later tho?
to me it sounds like it may be treated like the bonus pages that dont return
or did you perhaps catch something i missed?

[sand monolith]

Tbh if ultimate bps are fomo then it’s really lame

If they’re not then I don’t care

[plush harbor]

I don’t really care about what happens cause I can justify the 30$ through playtime

And I’ve got time to get the 30$ so im chilling

[sonic tangle]

Buff AKM.

[lapis field]

would a predator cosplay be dope with the skin still be integrated across 3 classes, it changes the predator type depending on light medium
Or heavy. Light predator could have a cloak animation built in for users. The dagger could turn into the single wrist gauntlet. For medium it could be like the beast predator from prey and dual blades could turn into the dual wrist gauntlets and have a nice deflect animation, for heavy it could be the big predator from killer of killers. There can be a predator collection of skulls cross body or back cosmetic as well

[sand monolith]

I mean yeah it’s not the most egregious thing ever

It’s a little worrying how much they’re doing at once though

Mythic skins, predatory end of season sale, ultimate bp, opening you to the shop when you start the game

[plush harbor]

hey next season it could be ranked changes!! :clueless:

[sand monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1021891081564069980/1369851921288003634/GqPP9J1acAAxYn1.gif

[wind folio]

it was really sleeped on

[winter jay]

It’s not gonna is it 😔

[polar trout]

cns 93r pleeaaaaaase

eh we already have databreach ig

[hardy dust]

Just look at the ultimate bp as one of the multibuck bundles

[polar trout]

yep

i wish it were 1150 mb exactly tho

[hardy dust]

Slightly less multibucks but more skins

It would suck if they're only for one season, since it would be fomo. But if they come back on a later season like the legacy bp or smth it would be fine.

[winter jay]

That’s probably why I’ll buy it tbh

[slender bear]

How much does the BP usually cost if you get it with the +20 levels?

[hazy spoke]

nah havnt heard anth but i assumed since they havent mentioned anything in this direction. i would honestly wonder if they wouldnt tell us from the beginning since they are so open with everything.🤷🏼‍♂️

but if it is that would be kind of bad since its so expensive not everyone can spend that much with ease

[polar trout]

20 dollars

[slender bear]

Thanks

[sonic summit]

tbh i think that you should be able to rip doors open with the winch claw

[slender bear]

That sounds like it should have been in the game from the start tbh

[sonic summit]

Exactly

[west atlas]

Honestly Im hoping they bring more breaching gadgets, Im so gonna run this new drill

[craggy monolith]

Dont know how useful the drill is gonna be since we have explosive and the demat

[hardy dust]

I think demat is gonna get a nerf so the drill might be useful

Plus it flashes aswell iirc

[craggy monolith]

The drill flash?

[polar trout]

Yes, it says so