💣┇weapons-gadgets

[hardy dust]

Either explosives or just... not engaging. They're annoying but can't really do much.

[brave dew]

Alright

[hardy dust]

Ong please bring it back 🙏

[smoky jackal]

sword light eats riot shield/ katanas for breakfast

[brave dew]

I noticed shooting legs kinda works? But not always

[still magnet]

I tbh don’t care about spear slide much, I want emote slide back shit was hilarious

[hardy dust]

Idk the hitboxes are kinda wonky

[brave dew]

Why I said not always lol

[hardy dust]

All other melees do 😭

[hardy dust]

Yeah fair

[smoky jackal]

true, idk why they didnt give those a sort of small movement speed buff or small dash

[still magnet]

Glitch mines + Jumpad + pyrogrenade + demat usage + turret + heals from mates to fix breakpoints

There is counterplay people just loose their heads after they take sword dmg

[still magnet]

Bring back emote slide

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxuvPKPpx8votIpGmLPTNw6nwGsHc6bQ7Z?si=8B7PS1fODKMd3NE-

[smoky jackal]

100%

[hardy dust]

🙏

Need more movement tech in the finals, especially for niche picks

[still magnet]

Emote slide is just goofy no real point

[eager wasp]

they need to bring back nade grappling

[still magnet]

I found movement tech for dagger that’s really fucking good but i am the only one that knows and I am gatekeeping it cause i dont want another emote dash incident

[still magnet]

Everyday they remove tech we futher strafe away from the creativity the finals once had

[ornate juniper]

I ignore your point cuz it doesn't make sense
Your try to lie to me about a friend of yours that enjoys fighting sword with goo gun but as goo gun main I can tell you that goo just doesn't stop dashing sword lights (whoops) which mean you can't enjoy such fights cuz you just can't win them
That's how it looks like all the time — https://medal.tv/ru/games/the-finals/clips/jIR819cvF6Tpw_9q7/Ezdbn1pYpvum?invite=cr-MSxidkEsMzUyODExMDg2LA

@hardy dust no, he doesn't
If hes at least decent with sword

@smoky jackal it doesn't help you either

We're at the point in the conversation where both sides have expressed opposing opinions and aren't willing to accept the other person's view. Usually, in such situations, people go and check what they can't agree on, in practice

But you guys refuse to do that
You think your opinion matters more than mine because your position matches? But that's not how it works either
Anyway, I'm waiting for those willing to step into the practice range

[still magnet]

No goo gun shot was fired, there was a patch where they buffed goo and nerfed dash that dash can no longer dash out of goo and that their dash becomes disabled bro I wanna see you play sword in diamond before you ever try to bitch again cause I all I am seeing is crying while counterplay exists

[ornate juniper]

Bro I'm literally telling you as a goo gun main who played it all the way from s2 that goo doesn't stop dashing sword lights from the start of s4 when they killed goo planes and fucked something up in the code
The vid I sent you is made in this season
Stop being delusional pls

I already played sword in diamond lobbies and it's fairly easy to pick up and get used to compared to other melee weapons

[still magnet]

I am telling you that goo, makes you stop immediately on a upper body hit, my dash stops immediately like i hit a wall

[ornate juniper]

It doesn't stop you and I even sent you a proof of my words
If you refuse to believe me that goo doesn't stop dashing sword Light we can go to the practice range where you will see the same problem u saw in the video

[smoky jackal]

im sorry but i dont take the "go to practice range, bro! its broken" argument seriously. this is the same thing overwatch players do when a new hero comes out. they go to the practice range and "test" with no factors but them and a bot or 1 other person. it isnt realistic of gameplay. to your clip, thats the same single instance ive seen that happen in my 500 hrs on sword light. it might have been a server side issue or something that light player knows that i dont but it doesnt happen in my diamond+ lobbies in any frequency

[still magnet]

I wanna have an actuall talk btw I don't wanna verbally d*ck you down I am just harsh in general l am so extremely sure that goo interrupts dash and I don't think I saw you shoot a goo blob in said video

Thoe atm I can’t play the finals but on weekends sadly maybe at random when I find time to get on my pc

[ornate juniper]

1v1 isn't realistic? Like u never fight 1v1 or what?

I've got more that 1k hours and I saw it not working million times too
You just say the opposite and want me to believe you but it doesn't work
The only way we can find the truth is... practice range, yea

And I'm gonna make more videos once I start playing more and will encounter this issue again

@still magnet text me up when u get to your pc and we go and test it

[still magnet]

I am speaking from the experience that I put a good grenade on myself over 1000 times like I know what it’s like to be inside of goo as light dash, I am aware that goo gun is only one blob and behaves differently but my point still stands

[smoky jackal]

practice range isnt the same as real games because there are more players causing more ping, more map destruction = more variance/ ping, etc. practice range isnt a real indicator of anything

[ornate juniper]

Then it's even better for testing out things like a bug with goo mentioned above

In 1v1 scenario we just test out which weapon is better and thats all
Ping and map destruction aren't related to this

[smoky jackal]

im talking about your clip. you cant try to recreate things that happened in a match with up to 11 other players in a practice range 1v1

you have no control in that experiment

so the conclusion means nothing

[ornate juniper]

Why not? I'm pretty sure it will happen in practice range as well despite the fact that there's only 2 players and not 12 like in WT/Ranked

[smoky jackal]

because you dont know why it was caused. all you know is it happened. with a control group and over many instances can it be called an exploit or bug vs a change in the server or ping. without those, its just an occurrence.

[ornate juniper]

I'm sure Embarks poor coding caused it

But if high ping / server lag in a match was the case, then it has a slightly lower chances of happening in practice range, right?

[smoky jackal]

im not a game dev but im sure thare are more variables that i dont know about besides ping that make the comparison not worth looking at. a better way would be playing as many games as possible in higher elo and tracking the games you play vs sword light as a goo gun heavy. in those games make sure you re recording and have a sample size of a moderate amount. note instances and how many when it happens and make sure to note when it doesnt to keep it fair. from there i think you would have an argument that sword/ goo gun need an update on the interaction and maybe the devs can look into it if the data shows you are onto something

[ornate juniper]

"a better way would be playing as many games as possible" — you may not be a dev, but that part sounded like something Embark dev would say xD

I'll try to make more videos 👌

[smoky jackal]

yeah it does come off that way lol, i graduated with a biochemistry degree so all that scientific methoded drilling got to me

its also easier if you have other friends who play goo gun heavy at that elo to send you some clips or stats as well to give you more points of data

[hardy dust]

It doesn't depend on the sword's skill, it depends on the heavy's. the heavy can hit the winch or c&s which are both guaranteed to be a kill on the light unless the heavy messes up. If the heavy misses either one the sword could win, but only because the heavy messed up.

[hexed flame]

Winch isnt a guaranteed kill

[ornate juniper]

When a skilled players uses it with SA against L or M — it is

[hexed flame]

Can be avoided its hard but you can get out

[icy sparrow]

@split trellis then suggest the weapon more

[hallow leaf]

@icy sparrow I want it for medium because with that weapon you would mainly swing the ball on the end of the chain and not the scythe/sickle, you would use the ball to hit the opponent or use it to trip them up. I just think it would a cool somewhat ranged option for a melee for medium since they struggle to catch other classes so much

Alternatively they could give medium some sort of cc or movement to help them catch people. My idea would be an impact frost grenade that slows opponents or a blast grenade that knocks them back from blast impact

[hoary sundial]

They could give Riot shields the handcuffs to arrest lights.

[limber mantle]

If you are a sword light and think you're good you need to get yourself clipped.

[icy sparrow]

Good point but the blade part sounds cooler https://youtube.com/shorts/pe8GgAxBifA?si=MWcsSvLBUKHSX8po

[shadow onyx]

Anti Pipkin army has assembled 💀

Bro is beefing with like 8 people atp but won't admit he's wrong

[exotic skiff]

Never saw pipkin won a match

Fuck sledge

[marble smelt]

wsp

[zenith gate]

Uhh I just wanna ask sm, generally, who uses thermal vision

I feel like it's the least used gadget

[final lotus]

People that play against lights with cloak and need a cheap easy way to shut them out from the game, most used in ranked/scrims where a team has a light with cloaking device. Although it's niche, it's completely overpowered against cloak and is used as a crutch.

[zenith gate]

I see

[graceful nova]

I love pairing thermal vision with smoke

Since thermal vision is so rare, only I can see thru smoke

[plain wasp]

Assuming the game doesn't let everyone else see through the smoke because it is the least consistent thing ever

[obsidian nexus]

REWORK SWORD

[brittle yoke]

whats wrong w sword

[hoary sundial]

You have 3 smoke grenades for a reason.

[icy sparrow]

@still magnet it’s not true they just listen to anyone who whines about nerfs back and forth,a lot of guns have low pick rates as well

[fading citrus]

Light should get a double jump special

[still magnet]

And I will whine about dagger till they fix it

[icy sparrow]

Same

[icy sparrow]

Also don’t forget to tell to bring back one tap back stabs along with holding them!!!

[icy sparrow]

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[normal acorn]

A whip would me much cooler imo. Maybe like a bladed whip that inlficts bleed and has a range slightly longer than spear

[normal acorn]

I use it on light very often. It helps me see people on dusty maps or when buildings are collapsing and debris are fogging up the place. Added benefit of seeing through smokes if somebody is making a sneaky play. But also it just gives me enhanced visibility on enemies and makes them stand out more

[icy sparrow]

U read my suggestion again,u can have primary attacks like sword and long range attacks but with just one whip,I don’t see possibility

[normal acorn]

You will notice moments where you can get the jump on people bc you see them first with the thermal pretty often

[icy sparrow]

Can u use whip to do this? #💣┇weapons-gadgets message

[normal acorn]

Tbh i didnt read all that you said i only saw you talking about a ball and chain my bad

[plain wasp]

Then you have to wait 1/3 of the game for them to be back

[supple perch]

This. If the other team has some cracked sniper I use smokes and thermal to shield myself and team and then shoot them

[graceful nova]

The sniper proceeds to also use thermal vision

You’d think as a sniper you know smoke blinds your line of sight…

[supple perch]

I don't normally see them do that

[dense oasis]

doesn't it have a range?

[graceful nova]

Well if the sniper is too far for them to effectively use thermal vision, the same applies to your team in shooting back with thermal vision

[supple perch]

I'm better than them

[red dove]

Dagger mains rise up, we should make a discord the perfect the weapon

[tulip basin]

average dagger main spelling

[graceful nova]

What about thermal scopes for ranged weapons?

Thermal scopes should work similarly with thermal vision. But: it only works in ADS (obviously), significantly slows movement speed/heavy movement sway, blinds for longer if flashed or looking at flame.

A big counter to smoke, and invis/vanish bomb players once they are spotted.

Cloak players won’t be absolutely miserable though. If the enemy doesn’t know where you are, they can’t scope in to see you…

[supple perch]

I don't think any changes are needed. Theres two types of sensor grenades and the thermal vision is balanced so you can't see literally everyone on the map from high vantage point

[graceful nova]

Thermal vision should just toggle on selecting the item. Having to pull out the pad and then turn it on/off is so distracting and clunky

[supple perch]

True but committing to it is probably part of the balance. Like it would be stupid if you could one tap turn it on an off cause then you'd only need it on for a second to spot people and the charge would last forever

[shut bane]

Having the gadget toggle on equip is a good idea honestly, wouldn’t be much different to cloak really

[fossil stirrup]

can you data reshape a unopened gateway?

you can with every other grenade

[graceful nova]

I think toggle on equip won’t be too much

I mean we can throw a left handed finger snap animation in there to give it some time as a balance feature

I just don’t like pressing many buttons

I kinda wish the M60 does a bit more damage at medium ranges, because right now it feels like it’s only tickling L at 30-50m…

Lewis seems to be the only full auto medium range beamer on Heavy with the capacity I’d like, but the recoil is too horizontal

[plain wasp]

Yeah also sometimes i accidentally would turn it on and off and get a full cd

[noble basalt]

feel like it would be far too powerful if it had that kind of range its already got the highest rate of fire and rounds per mag

[normal acorn]

No this isnt true. The difference is you are inside the smoke which pretty much means you are looking at the sniper as if there was no smoke there. The sniper is far away from the smoke looking into the smoke. Its different

The thermal visions “effectiveness” you speak of applies to the smoke distance not the player distance

[graceful nova]

I’m saying if both sniper and target has thermal vision in that scenario

[normal acorn]

If sniper is looking into the smoke with thermal but is too far for it to work than the same doesnt go for the target inside the smoke

[graceful nova]

Huh, so thermal doesn’t depend on distance?

[normal acorn]

Thats like saying somebody with their eyes on a pair of binoculars has the same effectiveness as somebody who is looking at the lenses from 10 feet away

[graceful nova]

Oh you mean the sniper zoom?

[normal acorn]

No i mean the person inside the smoke is going to be able to see through the smoke bc they are INSIDE it and the sniper will not bc they are far away

Even if both have thermal the person within the smoke has the advantage

[red dove]

sorry i was very high and sleep deprived

[graceful nova]

When the thermal is off at least

[molten barn]

hologram

[normal acorn]

Elaborate?

[valid raft]

Just curious how do you want the stun gun to be reworked?

[graceful nova]

I tried shak-50 in the range. Double bullets are funny. Its dps is great out to 20m

Honestly I don’t think heavy can play past medium range…

[graceful nova]

Funny enough, I just used it in QC and the damage in CQC is awesome. Rips shoulders off light players

[sand monolith]

Heavy really isn’t supposed to have that much range

Prob why the LMGs are so neglected in the first place

[polar trout]

Yes

[fossil stirrup]

That’s big

[winter jay]

the akimbos have entered the chat

[sand monolith]

yeah theyre horribly designed and balanced around random spread

its why they dont get any changes, kinda like revolver

[winter jay]

i mean the spread doesnt feel that random. i usually just miss on my own

[long finch]

what's the best set up for sh1900

[tulip basin]

cloak probably

[long finch]

Won't dash be better than the cloak?

[dark prawn]

What's actually the best light weapon?

[sand monolith]

lh1

[fossil elk]

If you’re a true beast

sniper

[exotic skiff]

Will never be

[sturdy vessel]

Do yall think heal beam and pike is viable? the other gadgets i run are; defib, data rs, and smoke grenade. how cooked am i?

[polar trout]

Uh smoke is a choice but the rest is fine

Reshaper a bit situational but it's fine

[sturdy vessel]

lmao

i think jump pad instead of smoke is better

[polar trout]

I personally love to run it for frags and turrets and shi

[polar trout]

Yep, that's one of my loadouts exactly, works well

Actually I run demat to get angles but still

[graceful nova]

300 IQ

[polar trout]

I mean you can, timings hard asl

[sturdy vessel]

i like reshaper becuz its like all the grenade options but slightly worse

[graceful nova]

The gateway team has to always be guarding the vault as soon as it opens the cash box if they want the tempo advantage and the plug.

But the data reshaper puts even more pressure now, instead of 20 seconds, they only have as long as the reshaper player has to do it…

[novel goblet]

BRING BACK THE STUN GUN ALREADY!! PLSSSS!!

[fossil stirrup]

lots of full light teams open then put a gate way to cashout or get closer I wanted to know if I could reshape it so you ruin the contest for the box

[novel goblet]

Who else is ready for the Machine Gun? Heavy mains could be.....Machine Gun Kelly

[hushed crown]

i would say replace data reshaper w jump pad/zipline, and replace smoke with goo…I use both smoke and goo and honestly smokes are only good for reviving and stealing, goo is useful for both those and way more but all that’s just my opinion!! :)

[sturdy vessel]

yeah i think im going to keep rs and change smoke to jp the thing is is with rs you can get smoke and goo kinda

[hushed crown]

I never thought of it that way! but yeah, as long as you have jump/zip :>

[icy adder]

I fully believe the defibrillator needs to be a Specialization with the turret and healing beam. It should be a carefully selected choice over the others. The non-stop rezzing is getting out of hand.

[polar trout]

For fuckin real, I want it now

[polar trout]

Yeah, memorize the rotation. (I made a lil sticky note when I was first starting on it, before there were even glitch barrels)

[sturdy vessel]

Yeah I think I know it

Glitch to red to smoke to goo to fire to gas to glitch off the top of my head could be wrong

[shut bane]

It’d be cool if we could choose the radius of demat and how many walls it paints

I kind of miss when you could make smaller breaches

[hallow current]

I want to know how far ahead they have planned for the weapons and gadgets they have ready and waiting to add to the game.

[polar trout]

You can, just be careful to only mouse over one section

[shut bane]

Yeah I know you could but it’s too much effort to try and focus it into one when you’re trynna get away and stuff, you usually end up making a hole big enough for both you and the enemy chasing after lol

[golden canopy]

Will note this

[polar trout]

I believe I've heard Oscar say up to s8 or so on a stream before, dunno if that means just battle passes, cosmetics, or also includes weapons and gadgets.

[icy sparrow]

@devout glen could say the same for stun,most people don’t use it and player who get stunned complain,same reasoning here on winch
Still need to swing tho

[novel goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/terminalmontage-monster-hunter-monster-hunter-hyped-gif-16428685937529205145

[polar trout]

Best part is my spring break coincides with s6 release, I'ma be on that shit at zero hour

[novel goblet]

Lucky....

[tidal seal]

Bouncing sawblade launcher for medium. Blades bounce off of everything except goo and players each blade gets 3 bounces before it stops. The 1st bounce would do the least amount of damage and the last bounce would do the most. 4 max ammo slightly faster fire rate than the ks20

[polar trout]

Add the Barrett SRSS to heavy (or light, could be the light explosive weapon)

[copper ingot]

great idea!

[polar trout]

I think they could do the programmable ammo, like make it have heavy damage on direct hits, but a very low aoe DMG. If it passes close to a target and detects that it won't directly hit it, it could set off doing a bit of chip DMG. This would also allow shots to hit behind cover

They could even give it the vortex xm157 it's commonly shown with as an optic option, which could give a live marker for where to aim to make up for ballistics

Also I think it would be better on heavy (ignore the heavy main tag in my profile) but fr tho, it seems like it would be better for heavy since it would act as a support weapon instead of a direct killing weapon

Or hell, you could do different ammo types, with double pressing or holding reload (or a new input, idk) to swap between explosive and canister/incendiary/wtv

[icy sparrow]

Just a bouncing ball is enough

[tidal seal]

That would be very funny

[shell sonnet]

A potential heavy gadget idea carried over from another game

The springloaded ripper
A throwable chainsaw that pulls itself along the ground, walls and ceilings, damaging anyone in its path for x seconds

Ive had a lot of fun in the game its from which also has a lot of terrain manipulation, and it made me wonder if it could fit here

[icy sparrow]

We also need a ks-23 wand skin like from harrypotter, I call it “Alaca Blayyym” u just swipe a wand and gun shots happen.

[polar trout]

R6? What is it?

[tidal seal]

I feel like that would be harder to make work

[shell sonnet]

deep rock galactic

pve game, so balance is quite different, i can imagine it working though

would need some quite transformative changes (and obviously a different name+visual design)

[polar trout]

Ah

[shell sonnet]

what do you think?

[icy sparrow]

It’s a joke but it’s a stick 🦯,not that hard

@dapper bear I don’t mean double damage like u see with all headshot for ks23 I mean a 1.3x increase which still adds up and 105 normal damage like u said

[dapper bear]

That would be 130 damage a pop, which two shots a medium, oneshot melee a light, and three shots a heavy with 2 non consecutive heads and 1 body shot.

Taking into account the recent damage fall of buff, your doing 100 damage at ranges farther than 25ft.

This would be the next bow.

I want to know why you think a headshot modifier is the best move for making the Ks-23 better, because I only see this making the gun have a worse play style that doesn't fit the gun's main mechanics.

[icy sparrow]

So 105damage is better and no bullet dispersions plus penetrate walls

[final lotus]

Ripped straight out of drillers throwable in deep rock galactic

[shell sonnet]

thats what i said, wym?

[icy sparrow]

@dapper bear #👂┇game-feedback message

[dapper bear]

It depends on what you invasion this gun to accomplish within its parameters.

I believe that his gun is near a state of viability without being overpowered, you sacrifice the shear power of some of the heavies other primaries for solid damage per shot and structural damage. The only thing that I think needs to be dropped is bullet deviation, because the gun requires you to land all your shots, you don't have the ability to recover from bad aim with this gun, so having an RNG mechanic makes the gun worse, it makes gun fights with it not about the skill of the player but if a bullet decides to go straight or off the edge, I think ADS is not a viable way of getting rid off the drawback, I say they drop it for the same reason the SA12 shotgun doesn't have a tighter spread while ADSing, it's not proper for a shotgun.

Also the crossbow is a cool idea I think it would be best used as a gadget that creates a vertical zip line that reaches the ground, which could pare really well with the KS-23 and destruction.

[icy sparrow]

Same as zip line from medium with fancy animations as a crossbow?

[dapper bear]

More like the rope spear from white knuckle, a projectile that makes a rope that drops vertically, so a new way of moving vertically as the heavy. For instance let's say you are playing sledge heavy and the cash out is 3 stories up, and none of your team as a zip line or a jump pad, you can shoot out a bolt and ride the zip line up and if you make it to the top you automatically vault on top of the arrow like you described so that you can then vault onto the ledge that the arrow is stuck into.

[icy sparrow]

Spear alt rework,replace weird spinning with vaulting,hammer has destruction where u change the map,make buildings fall but with spear u just spin……?
If u can do vaulting then u can cover vertical distance and jump rooftops and have a thrust attack when falling after vaulting and more damage the higher u fall, u can still have only one spin attack if u hold primary attack

[dapper bear]

So is it like a rocket jump?

[icy sparrow]

It’s more like an arc

[dapper bear]

I feel like that would be a bit too powerful, the issue is instant movement without expending a resource, like how rocket jumping takes health and ammo, zips and pads are on cool down, imagine vaulting near corners, over goo walls and barricades, or if you could vault upwards go up to the room the above near instantly, with the spears farther reach you have a wider range to attack enemies so even if you vault close but not on top off enemies you will have the ability to star your combo, with the winch you could easily 2 to 3 tap a light.

You could make the spear have a lunging attach that sends him forward a couple feet and does a light attack (65) to finish of players like a dodging light or a medium that starts running away, that way it has some more mobility then the hammer but without a broken amount of movement for the heavy, because it is still a 350hp player jumping at you with a spear.

[icy sparrow]

It could be hold then use plus it’s not for closing distance and not much speed ,it’s to get above vertical places or jump from rooftops.

[dapper bear]

It might be a bit to nesh to be used especially with implementation, how the weapon would be effected by cealings and solid structures, doing the action on moving or broken platforms like Payload and rubble, and over all it doesn't seem like a better alternative to a spin attack that can clear areas like payloads and cash outs, you can hit a heal beamer, the stealer and any backup all at the same time.

[lime swan]

I feel like movement stuff in general would be often used for way more than people initially expect, especially with non consumable stuff.

[dapper bear]

I think it depends on what kind of movement, and what you expected the movement to accomplish, for instance jump pads being able to be slanted and send people outwards was intended by the developers. However the sabor adding speed to the dash was I believe a glitch, in which case it got patched for being to powerfull. There's really only one weapon in the finals that has a movement mechanic, outside of that everything else is tide to gadgets, specs, and environments.

[novel goblet]

I'm so excited for the mini gun

[radiant orbit]

Would be interesting if there was some skill involved in placement and timing of that secondary. Couldn’t go as high as medium’s jump pad either…

Maybe a sweet spot? Like one tap to charge it and another to hit it at what power you want. Would probably be a good idea for the initial charge to do a very slight amount of aoe damage too, would make it unable to be used on easily breakable surfaces.

It might be a pain to balance but I’m all for it.

[median obsidian]

the way deags are held in running animation and shooting is soo bad

[dapper bear]

They gotta make a special skin set with the soul eater upside down grip animations.

[coral root]

Orange & black skin for cerberus would be really neat

[mortal rock]

dash+Sh1900+any preferred throwable bomb+invis bomb+Any preferrred gadget Has you set for sucess if you have decent aim.

[polar trout]

Hell yeah I wanna be death the kid

[coral root]

I wonder how dog water the stun gun will be when they add it back

[eager wasp]

as it should be

[still magnet]

I wanna see a „tracer recall“ like ability for light as high cooldown gadget with a high activation time

[drifting valley]

does anyone know what happening with the stun gun?

[glad cliff]

Maternal leave

[zinc obsidian]

can we bring back season 3 medium grenade launcher?

[glad cliff]

Why

[zinc obsidian]

splash damage is terrible compared to two patches ago. not the high damage model one the one before it got the dmg buff

[glad cliff]

The splash is fine to me

[zinc obsidian]

its needs a buff cause you do not see it used at all. I played plenty of games today and only saw only two games with it through the whole match

[glad cliff]

Just because something isn't used a lot doesn't mean it's bad

[zinc obsidian]

going to the range and see season 3 cl-40 gameplay

yeah seeing past video of gameplay and in the range now my issue is that it does more damage on hit but with the damage nerf and explosive range is...horrid.
I am not asking for season 5 cl-40 where it over 100. I want the one before that patch it seemed more consistant with the damage

just increase explosive radius dmg, make it four rounds again and that be okay like it was before season 5

[mint veldt]

[blazing folio]

Embark bring this gun in! Akm makes baby with fcar = this baby

https://youtube.com/shorts/xqbDl-tml14?si=GInPE0hWdRk5Uobu

[ornate juniper]

I've got a feeling it might replace winch if it will be a Spec

[icy sparrow]

Help me out in the suggestion

[exotic plank]

I dont think itll be a spec because i cant see it working well with any weapon except maybe sledge or spear. But even those dont really need it

[ornate juniper]

https://medal.tv/ru/games/the-finals/clips/jOAh2RduQ9H23EGdn?invite=cr-MSxRaE4sMzUyODExMDg2LA

https://medal.tv/ru/games/the-finals/clips/jOyCq0TrHMVG5Cjwq?invite=cr-MSxBM0IsMzUyODExMDg2LA

[odd forum]

whats the current M weapon meta.

[hallow leaf]

Ak

[ornate juniper]

Cerb, pike, famas

[deep pagoda]

Basically add a weapon that one shots everyone when they get close to you and add a gadget that freezes time

[restive plover]

Please Embark Berg the LH1, The Bow, The sword and the throwing Knifes

[plain wasp]

Cl40 doesn't deserve to be super effective because it sucks to play against

[obsidian nexus]

sword needs to be tuned down/reworked

[smoky jackal]

to me it looks like not a bug with the sword and goo but the goo in general. it looks like it has a start up time when it grows in size but during that time it doesnt have a proper hit box so the lunge goes over it like when lunging around a wall corner. at least thats what it looks like to me

[normal acorn]

Maybe the worst gun they could possibly add. Why in earth would we want another basic medium assault rifle that not only is basic, but is extremely similar to 2 existing weapons.

#NOMOREASSAULTRIFLES

[normal acorn]

Ugh it doesnt matter. Dont use riot shield, swords, or revolver unless you have great aim. Nade launcher can be seen as mediocre. Other than that the rest of the weapons are good and even the ones i said not to use can be used effectively if you know how to play them. But if you are dying to stick to the exact meta just play famas or ak

[plucky spade]

Kinda generic tbh

[plucky spade]

The only buff it needs is 250 dmg on midair contestants

Anything else is meh to me

[normal acorn]

Why

We should really be buffing heavy nade launcher before embark even considers tweaking the cl-40

[crude leaf]

Rework is expected to pull up when Season 6 drops

[normal acorn]

Everybody acts like if heavy nade launcher is buffed it will become insanely broken like its some sort of impossible to balance weapon which idk i feel like isnt true at all. Increase explosion radius and reload speed. And possibly a small dmg buff but that might be too much

[normal acorn]

Thank the heavens!

A rework would be cool maybe change the whole nade bounce mechanic as a whole. I love the idea of the weapon itself and i like using it but it just feels so out of place sometimes

[shell sonnet]

i hope they keep the ability to bounce and just do something else

a specific exception to hitting enemies directly, a secondary fire mode or just adding a 2nd nade launcher that can be adjusted by itself

[normal acorn]

Im not saying they should remove the bounce but the weapon as a whole feels so clunky.

The nades feel so slow and do like a weird delayed slo mo bounce. Not to mention how often it looks like the nades just go through enemies at close range. And the explosion radius is so small you need to be decently precise for a weapon thats supposed to be explosive and messy just doesnt make sense to me

[shell sonnet]

i can work around it decently well, but it took me a good while to get used to it
and its not something for everyone, but this exact weirdness makes it appealing to me

im not sure how it could be changed to make it more approachable while keeping this fun factor

[plain wasp]

Add an alt fire

[shell sonnet]

id prefer that over some options because it means the option at least remains
but im afraid its gonna be hit by stray nerfs that happen to make the alt fire work

rof, reload speed, aoe, possibly damage if they want to keep the nades consistent

[crude leaf]

I just hope the MGL doesn't turn into Junkrat's Primary Weapon

[winter jay]

120 dmg pipes 😭

[crude leaf]

No

[shut bane]

Doubt it tbh, I can see how busted that’d be unless they made the blast radius obsolete, which would also be lame

[exotic plank]

Im wondering if it would be a good idea to make the bounce angle dependent. So a head on collision with a wall or ceiling would result in a bounce. But if the nade hits at a steep enough angle it just explodes on impact

[shell sonnet]

i mean, it does that if you just shoot where the wall meets the floor

[shut bane]

Yeah but if there’s no wall that’d make it pretty much detonate on impact if you shoot at the floor directly from a distance

Which would probably be kinda busted

[shell sonnet]

might make it feel inconsistent depending on how its handeled, and sometimes you do need the shots to move a certain way

[static grove]

This game is much enjoyable to play without the stun gun.

[potent spruce]

I j sent this in game feedback idk if this a good idea or not but I like it: kusarigama for light, alr fire is long charge up to launch the weight and be sent towards where it ends like a very low powered grapple (or reverse winch claw). Hitting enemy does a bit of damage. Think dagger without backstab but added ambush ability. The only give away would be an audio cue of the weight being swung around

u could also use the weight as a weaker grapple to quietly get to a hard-to-reach location if u don’t have grapple or any other movement stuff

[forest sage]

New heavy melee weapon, fists. I want to punch people

[worldly maple]

Omg yes it's so fun to not have to worry about immediately dying randomly to something you can't control

[potent spruce]

maybe stun should only get rid of ability to sprint and slow down a bit but allow u to hipfire and turn normally

[polar trout]

What if aps got more range but had to check LoS

[potent spruce]

yea that makes more sense

[static grove]

Yeaaaaaah, I complete forgot about it these last week. I didn't hate stun gun before, but I see now how damaging it was and I'm enjoying the game as never before .

[worldly maple]

I always hated that damn thing lol

[potent spruce]

new weapon w ricochet projectiles, decrease damage exponentially for each bounce or some other scale

[worldly maple]

The MGL ricochets

[potent spruce]

fair point

[static grove]

The ricochet disc launcher will works great for heavies

[polar trout]

Make a laser beam for med as a primary that bounces

[potent spruce]

the only working idea I have is the kusarigama one besides giving medium a g3 battle rifle j cuz it looks cool

[worldly maple]

Wouldn't that functionally be another spike?

[potent spruce]

what is spike im dum

[worldly maple]

DMR for medium class

[polar trout]

You mean pike

[plush harbor]

pike

[polar trout]

Nah it can go auto, it would be like between the pike and fcar

[sour summit]

Can we get a new gun 🤓

[potent spruce]

oh right yea ig maybe j make it weaker per bullet but give full auto. Balancing could be making full auto stupid to control so u shoot in bursts

[polar trout]

Maybe gets the old fcar stats (with some more DMG and less rof)

[potent spruce]

also give the g3 a bayonet to modify melee damage to 70 instead of 50

[polar trout]

Like 25+ damage per shot

[polar trout]

Qm does 40 normally

[potent spruce]

Actually no that’s prob too much but would be cool to see weapons affect other base things like that

[potent spruce]

ur so right

[polar trout]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-gojo-satoru-gojo-s2-gojo-season-2-gojo-toji-gif-11112406016999920557

[worldly maple]

You know what would be hilarious?

Is a big black powder bomb for the heavy class

[polar trout]

Gimme the SSRS

Would be unique and cool

[weak geode]

Give heavy the healing can in a grenade form

[polar trout]

Like ts? 💣

[worldly maple]

Yeah

[polar trout]

Ok ngl that sounds real fun

[worldly maple]

It crashes through walls and blows up

[polar trout]

It would be like hammer predictions on steroids

[fossil elk]

light

1. Akimbo Mak-rov
   30 damage
   300 RPM
   16 rounds
   Reload speed 1.4
   35 m before fall off
   (Instead of ADS When you hold down the button that would typically ADS you dodge in whichever way you move via diving and rolling, and you can combo it infinitely with no cooldown as long as you hold down the button)

2.Vintage pistol
149 damage
18 RPM
1 round
Reload speed 2
50 m before fall off
Slow projectile
Headshot multiplier 1.5

3.Rail pistol
50-100
100 RPM
3 rounds
Reload speed 1.6
40-60 m before fall off
Hit scan
Headshot multiplier 2
(Takes one second to fully charge. once charged can break small hole in the wall with 2 shots)

Specializations

1.Teleport
2 rounds
Refill speed 3
Empty refill speed 6
(When activated you hover in the air for one second an orb is traveling forward in front of you. You can teleport through walls when you release)

2.Recon census
duration 8
Refill speed 16
(when activated you can see the positions of everyone within a 70 m radius but everyone in that radius can also see your team but not you)

3.RC scanner
Drone HP 100
Refill speed 12
(when activated you drive a remote controlled drone that can automatically ping opponents for5 seconds when scanned when player is damaged instantly disable specialization 0.2 tall 0.4 m wide. nothing else can disable the specialization)

[worldly maple]

I think light has enough shit already, give some love to heavy or medium

[fossil elk]

ok

[polar trout]

Inf dodges on a class with the dodge spec is a horrible idea

[potent spruce]

give medium a silly tactical roll since their gear is more grounded

[polar trout]

Census? What is a recon census?

[potent spruce]

This would be better for medium lowk

[polar trout]

Change the slide anim to a roll

[shy tartan]

Manual drone operation is not a good idea unless it had a automated mode

[potent spruce]

Yes I’d love to roll down the entirety of the slanted roof of that one building on sky stad like a cheese wheel

[polar trout]

Yuh

[worldly maple]

https://tenor.com/view/rolling-nichijou-anime-kyoto-animation-kyoani-gif-17732264

[potent spruce]

we adding omnidirectional bs

[polar trout]

You mean Seoul?

[potent spruce]

u right

[polar trout]

https://tenor.com/view/rolling-nichijou-anime-kyoto-animation-kyoani-gif-17732264

Give heavy a spec or gadget that functions as the opposite of hook, blasts everything away (battering ram?) breaks walls too ig

[fossil elk]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[polar trout]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[fossil elk]

Wow

[potent spruce]

do we know if light is getting new weapon next season on top of the minigun for heavy and suppressed thingy for medium

[fossil elk]

mini gun
15 damage
1200 RPM
300 rounds
Reload speed 5.8
25 m before fall off
ADS time 0.6
Holster animation time 0.3
(Cannot fire until ADS. cannot crit. Cannot skip holstering animation)

[polar trout]

Well the suppressed thingie (bn 180 or wtv) might be for light ngl

[potent spruce]

oh

[worldly maple]

But back to this, I think it would take like 1 second to light it, then the player would hurl it overhead before it blew up after another 4-5 seconds, dealing heavy damage to buildings and players, say 200-225 damage

[polar trout]

Nah 600 dmg

Yk I'm not sure if any of y'all were around for this but c4 used to do 300 DMG and arm in a second or so

And you had 2. They were so free for kills

[worldly maple]

That's a horrible idea

[polar trout]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-meme-no-cat-no-cat-nuh-uh-nuh-uh-gif-5478596456695677807

[potent spruce]

nukes r already a thing idk if making it an actual ability is worth unless it can be somehow countered

[polar trout]

Wait you right, make it 3000 dmg

[polar trout]

Not really, they got removed (or heavily nerfed)

[worldly maple]

A bomb that can oneshot anything is just a bad idea no matter the circumstances

[polar trout]

It's like saying that wave dashing is in ultimate, I mean technically

[worldly maple]

It would be funny as hell but remember that my proposition would bust through walls before exploding

[polar trout]

Holy shit make the arming time as long as a defib exactly so I can drop it on a defib hologram to guarantee them dead the second they res

Real talk, this sounds cool as hell tho.

[potent spruce]

give lights thermal vision added ability to track ops (cloaking as a light makes u harder to track for that duration)

cuz thermal don’t do too much

[polar trout]

Oh also give heavy the light destruction gadgets and make it so the defib hologram is glitchable

[polar trout]

? I don't quite understand what this means

What are ops

[potent spruce]

think that seeing footprints perk from cod or jackal from r6

[polar trout]

Oki makes sense

[worldly maple]

Make lights breach charge capacity 3 > 1 and heavies C4 capacity 1 > 2

At the very least make the breach charge 3 > 2

[polar trout]

Ngl I thought that might be what the olfactory sensor is, a footprint sensor of sorts (but works on scent trail)

[polar trout]

Eh I'm fine with it as is, leave c4 the damage option and breach the destruction option, just give heavy both so you can choose

[potent spruce]

They adding an olfactory sensor that would be cool

[polar trout]

Yeah it's in the vid

[potent spruce]

wait yea shooting define hologram delays the rez to an extent like a heavy could suppress the shit out of the hologram w an lmg instead of going for the cheeky medium and letting the rez go off

[worldly maple]

Wait omg imagine if with the black powder bomb, you could hold onto it as it fuses down so it explodes on you for more damage but kills you as well

[polar trout]

Also use the glitch nades or barrel to just cancel the res, means they actually have to do it in a protected area or it gets cancelled

[polar trout]

https://tenor.com/view/jomard-rijik-habibana-gif-6928043022179269289

[worldly maple]

That's a good point

[polar trout]

We love fucking killing ourselves (I am a prolific portable hellbomb user who never drops it)

[worldly maple]

I'm just tired of medium being support, heavy being demo, and light being demosupportdamagemobility with 3 more weapons and gadgets than the other 2 classes

[polar trout]

Yeah and the class is still ass

It's got so much but the other two classes are just so specced into their niches that they can just ignore the deficiencies

[worldly maple]

I wouldn't say that, it can pull weight for sure

[polar trout]

Yeah it's getting better but still not as good

[potent spruce]

Medium demat is prob the funniest thing that I actually like using

[polar trout]

I fucking love demat

[worldly maple]

Maybe a controversial decision but i think they should take some of the weapons and gadgets away from light and give them to the other classes, Like give the XP-54 to medium, and the M26 to heavy

[shell sonnet]

demat is fun
love dropping mines on people

[polar trout]

Funny story actually, my friend predicted it. We saw that s2 was coming, and made predictions for what was coming. I got 93R (it's my fav gun so I was overjoyed until I realized it was ass) but he said "a gadget that lets you go through walls and shoot through them and shit"

[worldly maple]

And give smoke bombs to medium too

[sinful spruce]

hi

[worldly maple]

Medium should get more healing stuff imo

Perhaps a healing grenade, nothing super crazy just like 50% - 70% of the players max health

[shy tartan]

Or just bring back healing carriables so you wouldn’t have to rely on M healing :/

[polar trout]

Real

[worldly maple]

Good point

[polar trout]

Also real, but make it over time ( like 5% of max up every second you're in the field for 10 sec)

Or like 20% up front the rest over time

[shy tartan]

Anything about 50% will make the heal beam obsolete and even worse if paired together.

[polar trout]

Make it a spec then

[shy tartan]

Or that

[worldly maple]

Or give the heal beam more range and power too

[polar trout]

It would be mobility versus a stationary but higher amount of healing

[polar trout]

Do that, but lower healing when the person getting healed has been damaged in the last few seconds

[shy tartan]

Defeats the purpose of them nerfing heal beam this entire time. For the right reasons ofc

[worldly maple]

Well at the very least, 5 more meters of range couldn't hurt too much

[shy tartan]

If heal grenades were a thing, make it a stack size of 2 that heal something like 5% of max but immediately begins health regeneration. so that it does something beam can’t. Worse part about playing heavy is that health regeneration takes to long to start

[polar trout]

Yes please

[shy tartan]

Just make it behave like the vanish bomb and so that the max amount of instant health you get is 10% and you have to regenerate the rest.

Frankly I wouldn’t mind that replacing beam entirely

Syringe gun >

[next light]

I just realized how good gateway is
like oh my goodness

Easily the best gadget for light

[plain wasp]

Always has been

[next light]

There's just so many things you can do with it
it's crazy

you can set up your whole team to ambush someone from behind
easily reposition
set one on the cashout, wait, and only link them once someone starts stealing
make traps
teleport to the cashout

It's super good with ambush weapons, and you can set up a second line of sight if you're using the sniper so it's great there too

[trim horizon]

not demanding a change idk if this would be too much or not but would it be possible for thermal vision to be activated once selected rather than bringing out an ipad and hitting trigger to do it?

[plain wasp]

@glacial cedar most weapons can 1 mag a med and heavy with no headshots

Anything with over 600 damage per mag

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1Ud7Rdl3AgMw9mmfDwW2LtDMnzZQ9IIhnqSE4ivsaMTs/htmlview

[glacial cedar]

Ya but can those weapons still do that at 50m??

[plain wasp]

If someone 1 mags you and a heavy from 50m that's pretty skillful

The only weapons that can't 1 mag a med and heavy on light are the sh, 93r and xp54

[glacial cedar]

But can those weapons do that at 50m???

The lh1 needs a ammo nerf or a damage reduction

[plain wasp]

The only change the LH1 needs is headshot multi to 1.6x

[glacial cedar]

That won’t do anything

Still won’t change the fact that you can one clip a medium and a heavy at 50m

[plain wasp]

The problem is that it kills very fast with headshots, it's normal damage has much slower ttks than everything else on light

[glacial cedar]

That’s just not true except for the double barrel it has the quickest ttk on heavy in the game

And your effective range on it is 50m

[plain wasp]

It used to have even further range, and it is a marksman rifle

[glacial cedar]

And why should a marksmen rifle be outgunning me at 15m?

I’m fine if the lh1 is good at range but there should be no reason a gun made to shoot long ranges is outgunning my fcar at fcar ranges

[plain wasp]

The LH1 doesn't outgun anything within 15m unless they hit multiple headshots

[normal prairie]

why does pike scope reticle bounce so much

its so hard to hit follow up shots

[glacial cedar]

Lights don’t take straight up gunfights if the get first shot they almost always win the fight

Idk how you can defend the lh1 when almost every top light uses it

[plain wasp]

Med gets .4 seconds to react to getting shot to turn around and kill with an akm

[plain wasp]

Yeah that's because the headshot mult makes it the most powerful weapon

A heavy with a shak has like an entire second to turn around and start shooting back

If the light had an m11 instead they'd only have .7 seconds

[glacial cedar]

I guess it really is the headshot multiplier that really is op

[glacial cedar]

Ya but past 5m the m11 is a peashooter

[plain wasp]

The heavies time to react if the light hits all headshots with an LH1 is lowered to .1 seconds

[glacial cedar]

And it really doesn’t help that if you are controller the lh1 sticks to the head

[plain wasp]

Not true at all, aim assist sucks in this game

In fact, I have tracking aim assist turned off

[glacial cedar]

??? It auto locks

You don’t have to move your sticks at all and it tracks

[plain wasp]

You play on pc and no it does not

[glacial cedar]

I’ve plugged a controller into my pc layed the controller on my desk and watched my crosshair move

Explain that not being strong

[plain wasp]

It tracks for like 3m and doesn't do anything else

Also within a certain range only, It does nothing past like 15m

[glacial cedar]

No aim assist should track in a competitive fps

Cronus is the real problem though getting aim assist with a mouse is crazy

[plain wasp]

Using a xim is literally cheating

Should result in hardware bans from competitive games

[brave dew]

Bout time someone said it

Tired of dealing with xims and cronus on r6, shits annoying asf

[glacial cedar]

I know it’s cheating but I swear people with Cronus never get banned

[glacial cedar]

I’m with you 100 percent on this

[brave dew]

Cause it’s hard for the hardware to be detected, they’re coded that way

[plain wasp]

It's super hard to detect is the only reason it's not banned more often

[brave dew]

And the second updates for games drop that update anti cheat and update em, they just update as well to counteract it

[plain wasp]

Microsoft should like sue the producers of them

[brave dew]

Idk if they could, I’m not the most knowledgeable person in that kinda stuff

[glacial cedar]

Microsoft probably has insiders that help Cronus with bypassing anti cheats

[brave dew]

Anything for money lmao

[glacial cedar]

Cod has a very similar problem and it came out recently they had insiders in activision helping the people who make the cheats for the game

Same with Escape from Tarkov

[plain wasp]

There'll always be rats in a big enough group of people

[glacial cedar]

For real I can condone a lot of things but cheating in a video game is some real sad shit

[normal acorn]

Other classes can get healing/support gadgets btw.. i think heavy should get a floating deployable that attaches a heal beam to any players within the small radius of the deployable system. I imagine it looking like a lifeline drone from apex but its completely stationary. It should maybe have less healing than the medium beam but can attach to multiple teammates at once. It deteriorates over time and is pretty easy to break when shot at. Another idea i have for light is a stim gun gadget that you can fire at a teammate and it gives them either a heal or a damage boost depending on which mode you set it on. The buff wont be that extreme and it has a longer cooldown

[worldly maple]

I like the defined niches of different classes though, an unfortunate byproduct of all my time with Battlefield lol

I just think having one class that can do everything makes the game a lot less fun

Part of the fun of defined classes is learning to overcome your inherent shortcomings

Light has to play fast and aggressive or else they’re going to die, Medium has to learn to support their team at range or they’ll lose the fight, and heavy has to learn to use their environment (or how to play around it) or else they won’t be able to defend their team

[normal acorn]

I think having all classes doing everything is fun. Also healing isnt a defining medium trait i would say medium is only vaguely support oriented

I would say they can be seen as a defense role more than anything

[worldly maple]

If everyone can do everything, then it’s just 3 dudes with guns vs 3 dudes with guns, there’s no teamwork aspect

Like Call of Duty

Not saying that dudes with guns are bad at all, I’m just saying that this isn’t that kind of game

You’re blitzing from objective to objective trying to bank cash, not playing for kills

[normal acorn]

Health and hitboxes and speed

Stay different. Also im not saying everything but i definitely dont think healing is an explicitly medium thing

[zinc obsidian]

can the cl-40 get a projectile speed buff the at least. No damage buff, or explosive radius buff. If you gonna make it a direct impact weapon priorty weapon at least buffs its projectile speed to deal with lights who's hitboxes are small as hell.

[worldly maple]

I think it functions ok as is

Consistent impacts are possible, I know because I can land hits on lights relatively easily

[zinc obsidian]

yes but that falls under the caterogry of exception not the rule. I feel like it was fine before its dmg buff and nerf here.

reload is slow, radius decreased, and sure gave it an extra shot but still it feels like it was overtuned

[obsidian nexus]

sword NEEDS to be tuned down

theres a reason everyone is running sword in world tour now. pairing it with dash makes for a whopping insane 16 meters dash. and the most problematic thing is u can get the first 140 on a whole team for free without the enemy team being able to react sice u can charge behind cover, wait for ur teammates to attract attention and then dash through making every enemy weak.
1v1ing a sword aint to bad. the value sword gets for free is too strong and needs to be looked at
*less linger on hitbox
*remove synergy with evasive dash or rework it so its not insanely busted
*remove multihit
*make it so u cant spin or do 180s with ur camera to hit an entire team for 140 each

[limber mantle]

the xim coping is actually insane. Considering turning off crossplay for it

[hardy dust]

Not really. Its fine as is.

[zinc obsidian]

Glitch mine

not to be sarcastic but I ran into this issue and well...its affective more then you think actually against sword players

[obsidian nexus]

missing the point

[zinc obsidian]

also if you do all these supposed nerfs...would it make it bad? Like...its a sword, no gun, no range just movement and timing. I doubt a single individual who starts to play the game could just instantly do good with it. Hell i am learning and what the issue is high skilled players are using it in high ranked games

[obsidian nexus]

doesnt have to be all the nerfs. these are just the points that make it overtuned

[zinc obsidian]

I think medium swords need a movement speed buff. If people shoot you and they will you bee surprised how fast people learn to not shoot you and use freaking pyro grenades

Like dagger was nerfed so hard. Have to hold to use back stab, have to be slowed down while prepping a stab, and people can hear invisibility mind you its not that hard hearing a hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! sound and glitch sounds that are close. I feel like melee is under appreciated in a game that has more open spaces maps then indoor at times.
It should be rewarded to do high dmg with melee if you get close because you have no range once you put on a melee

[neon canyon]

Not everyone is that good with a sword,yes some people seem over powered but that's because they practice alot with the sword.

If we took all that away it kinda makes it not a good weapon at all,even I sometimes have good rounds eith it but not all the time. It's pretty easy to counter

[ornate scaffold]

Is red dot worth it on 357?

[obsidian nexus]

removing the long lingering hitbox isnt gonna make the weapon unusable. it just makes it so u need to be more precise.
making the hitbox work so u cant throw ur mouse across the room as soon as u dash so u hit an entire team for 140 isnt gonna make the weapon unusable
making the dash lenght closer to season1 isnt gonna make the weapon less usable.

THE POINT IS: the weapon is extremely frustrating to play against for casual play

[zinc obsidian]

thing is melee work off slices in-game right? what you asking for is basically where they have to hit it on screen even thoug hthird person wise the sword can be going through them but doesn't count

[ornate juniper]

Yeah, it is

[zinc obsidian]

Heavy Grenade launcher needs a buff or rework or something. I do not see it used and way too situational IMO. I am using it. Like i hit an enemy and it goes off immeditaely. l ike i get works off bounce then explode but I kid you not there are times it goes off as soon as it touches them...like is wonky oddly

[hardy dust]

its pretty much the same as s1 rn

[trim garnet]

Idk if this is the right text channel for this but does anyone know how to get the dissun famas as I never got the email code

[dapper bear]

If you are a light main, do believe that the KS-23 is a balanced weapon against lights if the weapon is not used with the winch claw?

If the gun where to lose bullet desperation, do you still think the gun is balanced without the winch claw?

[hoary sundial]

the Ks sucks even with claw.

[dapper bear]

That doesn't answer the question.

[still magnet]

@dry flint
there is a difference between me asking for buff cause a weapon has bad numbers and weapon having issues the average dumbo doesnt see
You gonna look me dead in the eyes and tell me this is fine? I stab the back pull of crazy shit 50 dmg
NO REGS ARE THE ISSUE

[dry flint]

yikes the fact that you need to @ me in another chanel is sad XD. get a life

[still magnet]

I respond do your message cause you call me out,

You respond with "get a life"

Thats some mad self projection

[dry flint]

lol I'm also not the one claiming to be some position on an obscure weapon in a video game XD

[still magnet]

I’m addressing dagger—my weapon of choice in a game I’ve dedicated over 1,000 hours to. It’s something I know I’m good at, and until proven otherwise, I’ll confidently say I’m among the best (hence why there are players listed above me).

As for the nerfs, they didn’t happen because of balance—they happened because Reddit cried like babies. They cherry-picked bad examples that weren’t even related to the angle but rather the tickrate. Now a weapon that was already struggling is even worse. Sure, I can still steamroll games, but that doesn’t make it fun when every third attack no-regs because of an unjustified nerf.

I will still wipe team but shit like this is just bullshit

[lapis hound]

Even though they didn't always hit, that's some insane accuracy! Nice job 👏

[dry flint]

bro you cant say you are #4 dagger player and can steamroll lobbies when you ain't even top 10k XD. For balancing reasons they aren't gonna hand out free one shot kills. The daggers charge is like hitting an assassination in a game like halo, its supposed to punish people for leaving their backs opened and not as the primary use for the weapon. tbh from a game development stand point where its at is balanced really well. It rewards good skill on catching your opponents off guard. The devs don't need to buff something when someone has a misunderstanding of the way the weapon is used and blaming them for you not knowing where the back hit box is. Maybe put a little more time into fully understanding "your" weapon and come back with a reasonable change for it. For example a good change would probably be to shorten the charge time rather than making it easier to use. good games reward good players.

[still magnet]

Talking about ‘top 10k’ on the general ranked leaderboard when I barely played this season is a weird flex, but okay. Leaderboard rank doesn’t define mastery of a specific weapon—especially when I’ve got 1,000+ hours on dagger alone. I know how it’s supposed to work, and right now, it doesn’t.

No-regs and inconsistent hitboxes aren’t a ‘skill issue’—they’re a design issue. The weapon was nerfed because Reddit cried over cherry-picked clips, not because it was actually broken. The charge attack is meant to punish bad positioning, but when it no-regs half the time, it’s not rewarding skill—it’s RNG.

If you think the dagger is in a good spot, you’re either not using it or you’re okay with mediocrity. Shortening the charge time? Sure, that’s a start, but it doesn’t fix the core issues. Maybe instead of lecturing me, you should actually pick up the dagger and see how broken it feels before defending a nerf that clearly missed the mark.

[dry flint]

Yea you are right and I played about 3 hours with it today and felt fine. If anyone is crying its you over a change. Yea it sucks that your fav weapon got nerfed but just prove everyone wrong and still play well with it, rather than complain to the devs over a choice they made that went through plenty of internal testing. Devs dont just change something on a whim, they take community feed back, do their own testing, and then decide to fully implement a change if they feel it would benifit the game.
Notice how you are the only one complaining about the change. doesn't that tell you that it needed it. Because if it was a bad change more people would be complaining too. Grow up realize that live service games change over time and learn to adapt not constantly complain.

[still magnet]

I wouldn’t be complaining if backstab registers weren’t a literal lottery. I can be up someones ass, clearly in position, with surgeon precision, and it gives me 50 damage instead of a backstab. How is that remotely okay? A weapon that was already struggling is being made worse because of a nerf that didn’t even fix the real issues.

Mind you, it can be countred by hugging walls or corners any person will do that when they see my after the 2nd time

But sure, tell me more about how ‘it feels fine’ after your 3 hours of casual play. Meanwhile, those of us who actually main the weapon have to deal with this garbage. If you think this is balanced, you’re either clueless or just don’t care about the weapon being actually functional in high elo.

And ive got enough random non dagger players agreeing with me cause this is NOT fine

[dry flint]

Sorry news flash the dagger was never meant to be a high elo weapon. Its a gimmick weapon the devs added that players can have fun with and mess around with. If it was a high elo weapon you would see more thought put into the way it plays.

[dry flint]

bro you hit their side not the back.

[still magnet]

neither of this is fine

[dry flint]

when the hit marker on both those first shows up its not on the back hit box. you moved to it right after the hit marker shows up.

[winter jay]

as someone who just got here the second video looks like you stabbed him in the side and then moved behind. other one looked jank though

[still magnet]

sure argue the 2nd one, the first one IS NOT FINE

[candid kraken]

Bro the fist one was a full backstab, this is the first frames even before the mark and he is already at his back

[dry flint]

yea and games can have latency issues. not everyone has perfect internet connection. learn to deal with it and move on not blame the devs

[still magnet]

This is the frame the hitmarked appread it, and i have this every game otherwise i wouldnt be rioting in this discord

I am blaming the devs cause even statiscally dagger cant be performing good and just cause reddit has a hate on dagger it didnt need a nerf when its sub 1% pickrate

[copper sinew]

Yeah I am seeing the same thing. Like half of those are stabbing people in the side, sometimes from below. Sure the other half is bullshit and should be backstabs.

[dry flint]

they wouldn't nerf it if their own testing didn't prove that it needed it.

[dapper bear]

This doesn't refute the point of practice I'm just wondering.

Have they come out with images or ways of seeing frame data and hit boxes to know exactly where and when the knife hits a backstab hit box?

We've had knowledge of the tf2 backstab hit box for a long time and I'm wondering if they gave us something simular

[still magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/freak-tweak-tweaker-tweaking-freak-out-gif-16108345590627731463

You are ignoring what i am saying atp, the devs EVEN SAID THAT THE DUMMY WORK DIFFERENT AND THAT THEY SAW REDDIT POSTS

[candid kraken]

Im 100% sure they dont test anything

Dev got killed on a Live and said "im nerfing it next patch" just like that

Have you ever played Dual blades???? those things doesnt work at all, obviously theres no test dude

[still magnet]

community members testing melee mechanics in the Practice Range using target dummies. However, these dummies use slightly different hit detection logic compared to real players,

[dry flint]

ok i'm gonna need you to learn how game development works then come back to me after that XD

[still magnet]

imma try to stay as polite as i can
GAVE DEV KNOWLEDGE ISTN REQUIRED TO KNOW THAT DAGGER NEEDED A BUFF NOT A NERF

[potent spruce]

how would a buff for dagger work

[dry flint]

Cry about it all you want then XD

[still magnet]

Making the movement penatly ON A FUCKING MELEE WEAPON BTW take place AFTER the windup and reverting the windup nerf from season 4

[candid kraken]

I know about game dev tho and its clear than they have issues balancing the game, a lot of poor decisions and easy fixes that havent been touched since season 1

[still magnet]

cause season 4 straight up nerfed tagget TTK by 33% cause they added 200ms windup and made us fatigue by using our weapon ON THE FAST CLASS

[potent spruce]

this would then have to apply to sword for it to make sense

[dry flint]

yea but those are issues with other things than the gimmick weapon dagger

[still magnet]

sword is a large heavy object and has a imbuilt lunge and almost half the windup dagger has
while dagger is a handy object thats not multiple kilos like a steel sword can be

500 ms sword (current)
800ms dagger (current)

I want
600ms dagger windup
No movespeed penatly
REvert 180°

[candid kraken]

the point is, yes, it is devs fault, at 100%, they use the game as a test server instead of having one themselves

Riot shield, Dual blades, Dagger, Throwable knives are 4 examples of weapons with issues than most of them area easily fixed

[dry flint]

Ah yes the I have skill issue I want easy free kills

[potent spruce]

by movement penalty do yall mean u get slowed down or u can’t sprint. If it’s the second on then what would be stopping every dagger used from j holding alt fire continuously

[candid kraken]

Bro you play M, have you tried using dagger? go try it, tell us how easy it is, because we all know how easy it is to point and click

[still magnet]

this is from the very match i sent above, again i havent touched ranked this season but i still think daggers current balancing is dogshit

[dry flint]

bro I play all, a discord badge doesn't mean anything

[candid kraken]

the issue is, if you charge up dagger to stab someone that person can just run and outruns you before oyou can even charge the dagger

cuz you cant run

[candid kraken]

I have, its useless, only with the existence of the so well balanced fiure breath shotgun its almost imposible to play any melee weapon on Diamond

[sudden bough]

i don't even know why i opened this chat. i don't agree with the revert 180, i think the 150 is more true to the secondary backstab attack. i do think though, the charge should be quicker, and you should be able to sprint. but you can't have it all. 150 with that buff i just mentioned would make it very fair...

[potent spruce]

I think that’s kinda the point like they saw u comin so u can’t get the sneak kill off that kinda works the same in tf2

[still magnet]

if you even tap the alt fire aka backstab attack you immeditaly slow down to walking speed, which is slower then a heavy spriniting meaning if you keep holding the attack you will never catch up if you dont play dash
I want the movement penatlly (if embark wants to keep it so bad) to take place after the attack is ready to be released

[dry flint]

Ok can someone please explain why we need the dagger to be "high elo" viable when it was never intended to be???

[candid kraken]

who says it wasnt?

[still magnet]

150° is clearly not enugh when i have more then 20 no reg clips on my pc within 3h of playing
( i am currently on my laptop)

[sudden bough]

after doing some testing of my own, and playing around with the dagger, i had no problem landing true and genuine backstabs...180 would not be a backstab lol. it would be a side stab.

[dry flint]

the people who added it to the game??? theres plenty of weapons that will almost never be viable in high elo and thats ok

[sand monolith]

dagger shouldnt be viable in high elo unless specs are reworked to be healthier but it also should function properly

[sudden bough]

hitreg issue bud. it happens lol. we see hitreg issues for guns too. the dagger isn't special. you see hitreg problems in all games. r6 is nefarious for it

[dry flint]

exactly

[dapper bear]

I feel like hit detection is more on the side of the one getting backstabbed because of netcoding, there are serious concerns about the games ability to have proper action registration with its lower tick rate and issues with optimization with all its physics interaction. I've had simular concerns with the KS-23 where projectile interaction isn't done properly and slugs don't a target because of a random lag spike or a number of other things like bullet deviation which I think is the stupidest thing about the gun and they should get rid of it.

[still magnet]

Show me a rule that states, "dagger is only a comically weapon intended for world tour where you will play against rubys just like in ranked but accroding to some random guy on discord its not intended for ranked"

[still magnet]

the major difference is a dagger hitreg issue is life or death for guns a couple bullets go missing might descide life or death but they will still have previous dmg

[sudden bough]

this means it isn't an angle issue... it's a hitreg issue

[candid kraken]

yes but no, its not okay, not when it can be viable with a bunch of easy fixes and I dont remember any dev saying the weapon was meant to eb a joke

[still magnet]

Both

[sudden bough]

on a side note, can we bitch about dual blades? thx.

[still magnet]

trent fuck off, please

[potent spruce]

genuinely the few times I’ve played w dagger the only issues I’ve had have been j me using the dagger when I should’ve been using somethin else. backstabs r easy to land but gettin to the right spot to land it was hard at times

[winter jay]

can we deflect people when they are in our faces, and maybe make the lunge not just whiff when people are running away

[still magnet]

they are yet to fix the equiable animation that only plays a single time

[candid kraken]

those also are useless lmao, I tried them stopped after some tests, hitreg reflection screws up if the target or you moves lmao

you need to stand still to reflect and even if you do, if the target moves it also screws up so the only times the reflection works as intended is if both are static lol

[still magnet]

and for some apprant reason headshots are forbidden and accurcay is whatever, give em spread ig cause fuck the skill ceiling and aiming a deflect (cough genji)

[sudden bough]

better idea, everyone stfu and just agree that ALL of the melee weapons need some work and everyone is going to have different opinions on how that is going to be done. + everyone has different play style that is going to suit them :3

[potent spruce]

the reflection part is prob the one skill thing that’s hard for me to nail like besides using dagger that’s the other big skill needed for melee

[sand monolith]

also should fix dagger bugs and hitreg before buffing it at all, as with any weapon with tons of bugs

[still magnet]

Well nerfing dagger isnt the method on how to fix a dogshit weapon

[candid kraken]

reflection doesnt work good, even if you aim good

[sudden bough]

all they did was make the angle into a TRUE backstab angle dawg

[still magnet]

every issue dagger has is a downside for the dagger player

[copper sinew]

It's mostly the hit reg. Once they do something about that is when we can even think about if anything needs a buff

[sand monolith]

yes i know

[potent spruce]

honestly j thought I was bad lmao

[sand monolith]

thats why they should fix that before buffing the weapon lol

[dry flint]

End all be all.
Melee weapon / light
-Dagger
--Close-range melee weapon; can also perform a secondary backstabbing attack.

"close-range" -pretty much have to be next to them
"Secondary" -not intended to be its main use
"backstabbing attack" -You have to be behind them not the side, and not the side then the back

Its balanced around the description so stop complaining when it does exaxtly that.

[still magnet]

with the desync the supposing 180° are more like a 120° ingame already cause the player model turning updates too slow with this games dogshit tickrate

[dapper bear]

The biggest thing I learned is trying to conserve moment by sliding while reflecting so you can reflect up to the point you do your 2 combo quick melee

The timing is tight

[candid kraken]

I tought the same until I went with a frieddn trying to practice, it just stopss working if the enemy is close, it screws up if the target moves... lag spikes make it even worse, landing on feet doesnt reflect so you are just eating free damage etc.

[still magnet]

This is bullshit and dogshit at the same time, wow never thought id say 2 kinds of shits at once

[dry flint]

its in the game and tells you how it should be used so stop complaining when you cant use it correctly

[candid kraken]

bruh its clear than the backstab its the main use, go use the normal attack and tell me how worth it is

[still magnet]

this is mad word twisting lmao

[dry flint]

i pulled it right from the game

[still magnet]

oh and dual blades will tell you they reflect but dont work half the time

[potent spruce]

maybe something that would help w dagger is adjust altfire damage to be scaled to how close to back is hit i.e. a side stab does more than a front hit less than a true backstab

[still magnet]

just cause a dev wrote a flare text doenst mean it desicdes anything about the weapon

[copper sinew]

It also still seems to have some bullet deviation, even thought I think they said in the patchnotes, they changed to 1, which would mean no deviation usually.

[still magnet]

I dont want differnet backstab numbers just rever 180° and remove the movement penalty on windup

[dapper bear]

They could probably try adding a pullout mechanic where the backstab damage comes from pulling the dagger out so that the game has time to check for 180.

[potent spruce]

yes inshallah the pullout game will be insane I love that

[still magnet]

idk if you are aware, but pc player can flick at the speed of light

Anyways anyone who thinks dagger is fine is very regarded and to call my proven no regs "sidestabs" are completly restarted

[copper sinew]

That would probably be too small of a window,. It would help in certain situations, but really be an obstacle in most. It would help with multistabs tho, if they are still a thing.

[dapper bear]

To my knowledge that was only done for ADS, not hip fire which is the issue with the gun, no one should be required to use ADS on the the gun in order to fully know where their slugs are going on a projectile weapon.

[potent spruce]

Ks23 w scope would go so hard

[dapper bear]

For cosmetic yes, I would like a star wars bootleg blaster for the KS-23, (realistic blaster bolt speed)

[potent spruce]

oh fuck that gives me the best idea ever- customizable tracers (yes like cod)

[potent spruce]

thank for inspiring me

[copper sinew]

I would like a cannon, coz the chances we ever get one as a weapon are slim, so at least gimme a skin for the most cannon like weapon in the game

[dapper bear]

I asked a few hours ago if light players thought that the KS-23 was balanced for fights against lights.

And if it would still be balanced with no bullet deviation

[potent spruce]

I think it’s fine

[dapper bear]

Would it be balanced without the bullet deviation?

[prisma dagger]

incredible bait saying that the dagger is intended to be used with only m1, brings a tear to my eye

[potent spruce]

tbh not sure cuz it might throw ppl off at first but then ppl will start gettin used to it. If it does become too much there’s def a lot of ways to fix it

personally I rock deagles

[sudden bough]

i am missing the word only

[potent spruce]

also spear but I wish they did somethin other than spinjitsu for altfire like make primary fire be using it normal and swingin it around like a bo staff and then alt fire be a lunge jab that can hit multiple ppl (think light sword lunge but no added movement). Would go so much harder w winch claw pulling someone in and turning them into a kebab

[dapper bear]

The issue that I find is that I am mostly using this gun around the 10 to 20ft mark and without fail any time I try to track my targets the bullet deviation will cause me to miss by large or even mear pixels from my enemies, for a gun that has a dps lower then most of the heavies primaries, I feel like I am entitled to consistency when it comes to muscle memory reliant weapons.

[potent spruce]

Yea that’s fair esp w ks23 like deagles deserve some deviation when spamming shots but the dev on ks23 makes me wanna not use it at times

[quartz juniper]

EMBARK and the people who care for THE FINALS

Still has issue after death, my equipped inspect doesn't work, its the default one. EVERY SINGLE FIRST DEATH OF A GAME, THE INSPECT DOESN'T WORK, BEEN IN GAME SINCE DAY 1 YET WHOS IDEA IS IT TO IGNORE THIS

And please do something about powershift platform damaging the player and if you guys seriously want it to be a mechanic and damage you underneath, then it shouldnt be the fastest damaging thing in game and reduce the DAMAGE, honestly it is a factor in powershift that is dealt with way too much, walkong by the damn objective and get lasered by the platform

Please go back to old ui for gadget icons

Please fix another glitch thats been in game since day 1, when picking up player totem, cashout, whatever, sometimes you will drop it trying to open door or go up zipline and i have gotten caught trying to run away many times because of this

AND HOW LONG IS IT GONNA TAKE TO BE ABLE TO EDIT LOADOUT OR CHANGE CONTESTANT IMMEDIATELY AFTER DEATH INSTEAD OF WAITING 8 SECONDS TO NOT WATCH A KILL CAM. I DONT WANT TO RUSH TO CHANGE MY STUFF BECAUSE HALF MY RESPAWN TIMER WAS TAKEN UP BY NOTHING, AND HALF THE TIME IT FREEZES OR ACTS LIKE IM CHOOSING SOMETHING ELSE and stutters, ANNOYING.

another good idea would be WHEN I CHANGE MY LOADOUT while KIA, then i get revived and have same contestant or loadout, i get that but when i die again then i should have what i chose, not have to select it once again

And when is it gonna be a fix, or maybe an option in the settings to disable the ability TO GO DOWN A ZIPLINE, why is that an option, ruins gameplay more then anything, yet we will see all these problems be in the game for 5 more seasons

Spawn killing MAJORLY needs to get fixed

AND ONE OF THE MOST REQUESTED FIXES THAT HAVE BEEN IN GAME SINCE DAY 1 AND EMBARK HAS NOT ADDRESSED IS THE TOTEMS BEING ROUND, WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY, ON SUCH A VERTICAL PLAYED MAP AND TO BE ON WEIRD SPOTS LIKE A ROOF STAIRS ANYWHERE ON kyoto (part 2 soon)

[dapper bear]

They are really wored about making a gun with good utility to strong, and I agree, however the trade off of damage for utility is not 1 for 1 in a game were you have one gun, if it doesn't excel in certain situations or is just effective most of the time, people won't use it. Especially with how much destruction the heavy already has, the KS-23 trades to much for its utility Especially sense they brought destruction of concrete back down from previous seasons.

[onyx junco]

As a light myself who has used all the weapons I think the sub machine guns need a great nerf and some of the other weapons a buff like the matter or lh1

[boreal laurel]

Kind of like the people who only LMB with sword 🥲

[left torrent]

Thermal vision needs to be fixed because when a player is close and positioned above me, it doesn't work as intended they remain invisible from my point of view and sometimes I randomly cannot activate it mid-match, and fixes itself sometime later.

like I need to die first before I can use it again

[smoky jackal]

nerfing the cerb would be the best thing embark could do tomorrow

[limber mantle]

light not being allowed to have a gadget that lets you easily secure a kill by taking away their ability to move, yet heavy being allowed to have winch claw and lockbolt is PRETTY SICK!!!!!

No consistent heavy bias since launch here guys. Not a drop

[ocean fulcrum]

[smoky jackal]

either that or stun gun is now just part of swords lunge so every time they land a lunge it also applies the stun gun effect

[ocean fulcrum]

[timber oxide]

sybau how u not know this dumb monkey oy

mid at best just run the pike

[wind lintel]

I think most people can agree that hitreg should be fixed first
Dagger mains are saying it's the reason dagger got nerfed and I know it was and still is inconsistent

I just want riot to be able to headshot | m1 + v to kill a light

[limber mantle]

Asking to fix dagger reg is asking them to fix their servers which, fat fuckin chance. Also you already two shot lights and are immune to gunfire from the front except for your toes, how spoiled could you be to ask for more.

[wind lintel]

because erm... lights can just run away lol

[limber mantle]

🔫

[wind lintel]

crazy solution ngl

[quartz juniper]

Part 2

is a headache, you can tell embark is least concerned about fixing there game and want to keep touching things no one asked for and ignoring my pile of bug reports

AND SERIOUSLY HOW MANY TIMES IS EMBARK GONNA BE LATE WITH A STORE UPDATE AND EXPECT TO BE FORGIVEN, I GET IT GUYS SMALL TEAM, ALOT ON THERE HANDS, BUT IT CAN ONLY GO SO LONG WHERE EVERYONE OF THESE BUGS OR PROBLEMS HAS TO BE ATTENDED TO, I COULD BE WRONG BUT I FEEL LIKE HALF THE TIME THE UPDATE DOESNT GET RELEASED ON TIME, HONESTLY SAD, BALNCING AND CARE FOR THIS GAME HAVE GONE DOWN, I STARTED PLAYING THE FINALS TO GET AWAY FROM BUGGY, ANNOYING GAMES AND I LIKED FIXED, CLEAN, A GAmE THAT RUNS WELL, BUT NOW IT SEEMS TO BE TURNING INTO COD WITH ALL ITS PROBLEMS.

AND EMBARK, STOP KILLING YOUR GAME WITH NO ADVERTISING, NETWORKING AND BY NOT FIXING OR BALANCING AS NEEDED, THE 400 LITTLE BUGS STARTS TO ADD UP

LITERALLY GHOST RELEASED THE GAME, NO ONE EVEN KNOWS ABOUT IT, HAD THE BEST TIME EARLY SEASONS WHEN BALNCING HONESTLY FELT GOOD, LTM WERE SHOWN AND FUN, THEY DONT EVEN TRY TO GET MORE PLAYERS ITS SAD

I cant even get a game of bank it or terminal attack if i tried, where are the players embark? Keep denying to the world your game exists....

And last but no least is one of the main problems of the finals, solo que and playing against emerald and ruby players while im bronze or silver, constantly getting the same 🗑️ teammates yet constantly put against a team of sweats, why have world tour or ranked if this is gonna be the jist, and nowadays i dont play ranked or even world tour because of the reason, feels like a headache dealing with a pc light with a knife and his two sweety teammates, i get it small player count, but guess what embark isnt helping it one bit, now you think turn off crossplatform, lol you thought finding a terminal attack game was hard, Crossplay impossible

add a vote system for powershift, world tour, ranked, a vote system to remove one weapon a map, maybe one gadget also

[limber mantle]

Thats a lot of words

Too bad I aint readin 'em.

I scimmed that you spelled sweaty sweety and thats all I need. All opinions invalidated.

[shut bane]

a wall of text, not in game feedback? no ty bro

[limber mantle]

A bronze silver player crying about "sweats" grrr I hate when people put in more time and effort than me and are rewarded with superior skill gamesense and ability!!! Kill them all death to skill!!!! deep throats sledge hammer

[crisp ore]

bring back model

[wind lintel]

this should probably be in#👂┇game-feedback
I skimmed through it
-I'm no marketer but it's most likely not worth marketing The Finals right now as there isn't anything major that will bring in new or old players
-It was not a ghost release
-Not worth working on ta, barely anyone plays it

I agree with the bugs though, ps-marketing is expensive

[graceful nova]

I’ve been running double movement a lot but honestly I don’t use jump pad as much when there aren’t slanted roofs. I’m starting to like zipline more

[gleaming crater]

Lower the burn on cerburus. Shit is stuuuuuupid. Get away but still die

[hallow leaf]

lower the damage on the DB the shit is stupid

[spice vigil]

the DB is a worse cerb tbh

[hallow leaf]

it 2 taps heavies its not a worse cerb

[spice vigil]

it has 2 bullets

[exotic skiff]

Cerberus is way more problematic

Cerberus is just straight up stupid

[hallow leaf]

the only way they could nerf it is a slower fire rate or reload

[exotic skiff]

Nop just dmg

[hallow leaf]

then it would be useless again

[exotic skiff]

Shotguns should never be broken

[hallow leaf]

its damage needs to be at least 117 without pyro

[exotic skiff]

No, a one tap combo on light should never be on the game

[hallow leaf]

it should

[exotic skiff]

Add more pyro and lower dmg

[hallow leaf]

the gun needs to be able to 3 tap heavies

any less than 117 and its useless again

[exotic skiff]

Would be perfect if it was useless

[hallow leaf]

its fine where its at

[exotic skiff]

Rn it's just another model, shotguns are unskill

Cerberus rn is the best medium weapons with pyke it's not even close

[hallow leaf]

it take more skill than the m11 no skill

[exotic skiff]

No m11 you need to track at least

[hallow leaf]

m11 needs a nerf way before cerb does

[exotic skiff]

You are delusional my guys

[hallow leaf]

lights are

[exotic skiff]

Cerberus is so fucking stupid

[hallow leaf]

its fine where its at

just shoot them from range

[exotic skiff]

Yeah not like 90% of the fight can be force close range. Like I said I think you are delusional rn cerberus anihilate every classe for no reason

Pyke is stupid as well both of the weapons need nerf and buff fcar thx

[hallow leaf]

thats the response everyone gives for lights bullshit is to shoot them from range

so play at range vs cerb

[exotic skiff]

Light only have db as bs and maybe lh1

[hallow leaf]

you forgot the m11 no skill

[exotic skiff]

Not rlly

But I understand the problem you have buff dual blade on ut name I think I see the problem on the discussion rn

Problem against m11 as medium you got cerb, pyke, FAMAS to destroyed them close and mid range

[hallow leaf]

dual blades are the worst melee they need a buff

[exotic skiff]

Melee should Always be bad that a fps not for honor

Sword need a hitbox nerf btw

[smoky jackal]

it really doesnt

[exotic skiff]

It really does he can't hit you even tho ur on a box and he is ground floor

Idm the dmg and other thing I Can track but just bring it a bit of skill even tho it require none to begin with

[smoky jackal]

sword does take skill, just not aim. 99% is spacial awarness and positoning

[exotic skiff]

I totally disagree sword take 0 skill it's not because you use two button at once that it does

[spice vigil]

i play dagger

[spring grotto]

Gun op? Just add recoil. Tf??

[shut bane]

If cerb ever gets nerfed to a worse state than it was pre buff Im gonna be pissed

Also how tf are lights losing to it when they have the same thing

[gleaming crater]

The same thing? Wtf lol

[cunning kettle]

correct me if im wrong, but cerberus has this thing called e x t r a b u r n d a m a g e

and it does this thing called d o e x t r a d a m a g e

[smoky jackal]

just aim and shoot em

[hallow leaf]

It needs to be able to 3 tap without needing to require the pyro

[glad cliff]

It can 3 tap a heavy

[cunning kettle]

dead internet theory confirmed

[coral root]

They should buff the cerb and the model

[glad cliff]

Atleast according to the wiki

[coral root]

And the 1900 and the SA1216 and the rpg

[hallow leaf]

It can currently yes, but my point was if they nerf it's damage below 117 it wouldn't be able too without requiring the burn

[lethal wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/клоуны-клоун-драка-gif-2652122401860275195

[shut bane]

if it ever gets nerfed it has to go back to when people thought it was "shit"

then I want to see people still crying about it, because they will

[rigid bay]

if youre inside of them

[glad cliff]

[rigid bay]

i fought a heavy today with the cerb and got cooked even under 10m

all three shots hit and the dot didnt kill him after i died even

[glad cliff]

Wym all 3 shots, it shoots pellets

[rigid bay]

the shells 😭

[glad cliff]

It's not a slug gun

[rigid bay]

you have 3 shots tho have you not played the game

[glad cliff]

Brother it shoots pellets

[rigid bay]

im not debating the pellets bro i know how the gun works

[glad cliff]

Do you

[rigid bay]

im saying that the majority of the pellets per ammo slot if you refuse to call them shots hit him when i say that all 3 shots hit

in my head the sentence makes sense mb

[rigid bay]

only four pellets were outside out of 12 💀

[glad cliff]

Yeah, so do the math

[rigid bay]

8/12=majority

[glad cliff]

Do the maths

[rigid bay]

i just did

[glad cliff]

Okay what does it equals then

[rigid bay]

24/36 is still majority

[glad cliff]

Just because a majority hits doesn't mean they die

[rigid bay]

thats not what i said

[glad cliff]

Then why are you talking about a majority of the shots hitting

[shut bane]

Holy straw man fallacy fest

Who cares

[gaunt lion]

FR

[potent pilot]

You cannot be a real person if you struggle against m11 as a cerburus medium

[plucky spade]

Maybe lh1??

[plucky spade]

Bro stop yapping

[dull trench]

Plus there’s the dash sword meta, even without using the glitch it’s still disgusting

[dull trench]

It needs a slight damage nerf, not by much tho. I’m a light build and think it’s very fair, I just always get killed by a long burn time. Either shorten incen burn time or nerf damage but .5-1 point

[restive plover]

The damage buff was fine, it should lose the spread and reload buffs.

[deep shard]

can someone explain to me what the bow buff from 120->124 does? isn’t TTK the same?

[still magnet]

@true ravine

Dagger is worse then ever since the nerfs, sure i readjusted a little bit but its still behinde him elbow is still behinde and enemy its still a backstab

[true ravine]

based on the patch notes in 5.8 its no longer the case no?

[still magnet]

5.9.0 was the dagger nerf wdym?

[true ravine]

5.9 then

also in the vid above, the hit reg shows that you hit the back of the head. From what ive experienced for all melees is when you jump or land from a higher height, the hit reg goes completely ape shit. Where youre looking wont be where you hit. It could be the server tickrate. But this appears on all melee weapons, some are less noticeable than other due to have wider hit angles or not being as reliant on specific hit placements like the dagger is (which is unfortunate)

just want to add on, I tested the dagger pre 5.8-9 in practice range and apparently the back of the head isnt a backstab? No idea whats up with that, then again, hitboxes on the dummies is different from actual players. Basically there are a lot of unknown factors

just one of the many many strange and unreliable things in the finals unfortunately. Sometimes the game registers my qm hitting from 2-3m away

sometimes it doesnt register at all even when im in their soul

[limber mantle]

servers is shit brother

[true ravine]

they did say they would be focusing on it. Makes sense since the 100k esports event is coming up

[limber mantle]

About Fucking time

[main quail]

Should I drop dome shield for gravity cube?

[limber mantle]

nah

[main quail]

Dome doesn't really do much

[still magnet]

well i know exactly how dagger hitboxes work, and when i flick AWAY right on release it would have been a hit the way dagger works is completly absurd and needs fixing on all end and buffs to the windup and removal or the movement penalty aswell as a revert of the 180 degree

[true ravine]

we'll just have to see how actually effective it is too. In their AMA, they mentioned that the tickrates of the servers cant be upscaled because the game cant handle it technically

[limber mantle]

Gravity cube does more in a lot less situations

[main quail]

Completely halting steals

[true ravine]

did you try backstabbing the head?

[limber mantle]

Yes. Thats one situation where it does a lot more

It can be shot or glitched but people dont do that often

[true ravine]

side or top as well. Cause im p sure theres some funky shit with whats considered a backstab

and again as a reminder, actual in game results may vary since they alr stated the hitboxes on dummies are different from actual players

[still magnet]

i have backstabbed INTO the head pre 5.9 also known as gumba
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxFc5enSsP9YrpHKcGeWizm9SDJjXzYyht?si=IQRNjAbkvHlquNCL

[still magnet]

They can just revert the recent nerf and i wouldnt have said none

[true ravine]

hm yep seems legit. Must be the servers then

[true ravine]

i think the change was in response to people getting facestabbed. Problem is of course that it doesnt actually change the problem itself, which is the servers not updating fast enough

[still magnet]

i stil facestab people

but thats not my problem neither is is the angle, i could facestab with a 90 angle it doenst matter its the server tickrate

[true ravine]

yea...thats what i said

[still magnet]

like i am agreeing

[limber mantle]

The thing is you could read a light trying to dash behind you for a backstab, perfectly track them and turn around in time but the servers are so ass it wont matter or register that you're turning around

[still magnet]

and saying they need to revert the nerf

[still magnet]

just hug a wall

[limber mantle]

I dont think standing still and taking it in the mouth is super viable

[true ravine]

youre basically just flipping a coin. The same occurs for simultaneous hits. In my experience with the sword, if you dash and lunge against someone who is just lunging at you, the server somehow prioritizes you first and you win the clash even though in normal circumstances, both of you would die (youre basically flying straight into an active hitbox so it shouldnt matter how fast the lunge is in comparison)

[limber mantle]

Lets go gambling!

Rather face dagger than DB at least.

[true ravine]

it aint just melees either. It happens at every conceivable degree. Ive had people model/cerberus me from their back. Or people shooting in one direction and the bullets/damage coming out of the opposite end

and when you move too fast, the game literally starts choking and locking up your inputs

p deadly for all melee players

@still magnet i watched a couple of your videos at slowed speed and while i have a lot of respect for dagger players in general. Your vids are also an example of why i ultimately dislike using the weapon. It basically actively exploits how fucked both the dash and the hitregs are in the game. This is of course not a problem that lies with the players (which is why i have no qualm with them). But christ it looks buggy af

heres an example:

[still magnet]

Well tell that embark

[still magnet]

on lower fov this would look complelty diff

which video is that again btw?

[true ravine]

thats the very first frame of your damage going through. which by all means if you were standing still with no speed you wont be able to hit

[true ravine]

your latest

[still magnet]

i would, dagger melee lunge is 3m

Here is a bad example...

[true ravine]

dagger lunge is 3m if you stand still?

im aware that dashing severely alters the range and hitreg of lights melee weapons. Its also something that occurs on the sword

[still magnet]

yes

btw @true ravine you are the first human i talk to about dagger other ones have been sub humans

[true ravine]

that looks really fucked then. cause that distance is the sword's inherent length which should be longer than the daggers

[true ravine]

cant speak for other people but ive played melee since CB1 so i have more empathy for people on both sides

its equally frustrating to play and play against melee

[still magnet]

i too only play melee since release

[true ravine]

back then swords could one shot lights lmao. Imagine how that would fly in s5

[still magnet]

OB but not in release right?

[true ravine]

yep OB

CB as well

[calm grove]

Dagger discourse 🍷

Don't need to read any of it to be able to draw a conclusion that dagger players are simply better and live on a higher plain than any of the other melee and gun wielding goobers

Thus why embark should revert the nerfs for the five of us that remain

[coral root]

I honestly agree because whenever i get one of you dagger main character syndrome asses on my team it costs us the final round

[true ravine]

im a sword player lmao. but yes i enjoy talking about melee

[true ravine]

real. there are very few players who can actually play dagger. but all the more to celebrate those who remain

[calm grove]

That's how it works. I get to feel like a prime faze clan member and you get to watch me put the moves on two opps then subsequently die and lose the round

[coral root]

Lol. Cheers ill watch from the spectate screen cause i already died trying to help the 3rd teammate who just blows ass at the game

I feel like a noob magnet every time i solo queue wt

[true ravine]

soloq adventures

[calm grove]

But nah I stopped using dagger in ranked a long time ago. Turns out it's a lot harder to backstab diamonds and rubies as a mere plat

[calm grove]

There isn't a more soul sucking endeavour than solo qing in this game

[coral root]

Fr. Thats what i get for never inviting my friends to party tho

[calm grove]

Bro has friends. What a showoff

[coral root]

I have friends but i cant get a kill with the dagger so you have that going

[calm grove]

Awww got me kicking my feet and shi

[dusky gyro]

what does the 4 damage increase for the bow mean

does it mean anything significant or just a tiny buff

[plain wasp]

They just put it to the breakpoint it won't change anything significantly

But you can kill meds with a tracking Dart after two shots now

[ornate juniper]

This buff doesn't change bows TTK in any scenario except
Body+head+qm vs full HP H

Before: 120+180+40=340
Now: 124+186+40=350

[dusky gyro]

i see i see ty

[normal acorn]

Dagger has just become too difficult to excel with. The potential doesnt outweigh the effort anymore. It used to be an off meta “weak” pick that people would pop off with if they were skilled enough. Now its a troll pick that you can preform just averagely with if you sweat your balls off.

[sand monolith]

Just remove dagger tbh

[calm grove]

To be fair, against good players, the potential never outweighed the effort. Light's counter in general is good awareness and that is especially evident when you're using dagger. You need extremely good positioning, movement and mechanical ability to even get a few picks on the bigger classes. And backstabbing lights feels like threading needles. One mistake and you're gone. Compare that to holding height with invis and an LH1 and I can't in good faith call it anything other than blatant trolling in comp. But who cares shits fun and that's all what matters

[calm grove]

Remove Trent tbh

[sand monolith]

And dagger

[exotic skiff]

Dagger Always have been bad and should Always be bad like every melee weapons hihi

[icy sparrow]

Same

[round tiger]

can you guys fix the sword abuse THIS season pls

[sand monolith]

???

Sword not op

[warm turtle]

Fym sword ain't op

[warm turtle]

Them shitters with the dashes and swords are the bane of my fun on this game

[sand monolith]

It’s extremely easily counterable

[warm turtle]

With?

[still magnet]

Glitch traps are the bane of sword players and jump pads
Winch claw
Decent aim and hugging corner doenst let them dash past you

[sand monolith]

Glitch trap, Lockbolt, charge and slam, goo nade, winch claw, range, shotguns

[warm turtle]

Aight thank you

[sand monolith]

Throw goo and stand on it

[still magnet]

M11 has half the TTK of sword

Doesn’t help too much if not favours the sword player imo, I too played sword

[wind lintel]

not everyone is full hp

[round tiger]

i wrote abuse not that it is hella OP...

[sand monolith]

How do you abuse a mid weapon

[round tiger]

animation cacel...?

[sand monolith]

Get a clip of it and report it in #1201841543926005810

There’s a good chance devs don’t know about it

[round tiger]

as if u have not seen in where u live under the erth?

[mystic nimbus]

positioning

[sand monolith]

I have never seen it. How do you do it?

[potent spruce]

perfect idea for db cuz I doubt any1 uses ads on the thing- lower damage by quite a bit but redo controls for each barrel being tied to one mouse key/ controller trigger. u can shoot off each barrel back to back instantly or both at the same time, or even wait out one shot

adds a little more nuisance to using the thing

[brazen nest]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[potent spruce]

it would make realistic sense too since most double barrel shotguns have two separate triggers, one linked to each barrel, but idk if the in game model reflects this

so each trigger would be one controller trigger/m1 or m2

[brazen nest]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[lilac fiber]

That’s what he’s saying

[potent spruce]

yea that would be the easier thing to do since the only thing ads does for all shotguns is reduce visual recoil and lower vertical recoil I think

which does practically nothing for the db since it’s meant to be used point blank

idk if this is the attitude embark is using for the weapons but I like to think each class has to weapons that are similar in operation but work better in diff circumstances i.e. mp5 and uzi, ak and scar, m60 and Lewis. Automatically I associate the mass with the db so redoing the inputs for the db would make them work better for their respective benefits

Adding for the list: flamethrower and mgl, v9s and burst pistol thingy, riot shield and dual blades, sniper and ebr, ks23 and the other shotgun thingy, sword and dagger. There r some one off weapons that don’t fit this like throwing knives or bow but they work along side the aforementioned ones (bow with the sniper and ebr for example) I’m def yapping I had a lot of caffeine j now I’m done

[vapid nymph]

OK; Hear me out

A jump pad skin

but its peperoni pizza

[plain wasp]

Just what we need, more basic skins, make it pineapple and I'm in

[brave solar]

How much damage does model do now if you land all pellets?

[ashen isle]

108

[plain wasp]

Back to 117

Or it could be 108 now, I'm not sure

[ashen isle]

the wiki says 12*9

[plain wasp]

12*9 is 108

So 108, not 117

[brave solar]

unlucky, time to pick it back up. I was enjoying other weapons

[plain wasp]

Just don't use it because it's not cool and a shotgun

[ashen isle]

just play the weapon you like

playing the weapons you think are fun makes the game more fun

[coral root]

Ill have one large pineapple pie, with the cheesy crust

[limber mantle]

Anyone that thinks the autoshotty on heavy is balanced needs to just take themselves out of the gene pool

[grim heath]

M4A1 with grenade launcher (real)

[coral root]

Lights getting an AR-18 next season

[plain wasp]

Akm with a grenade launcher

[limber mantle]

Light finally gets something after the light holocaust of season 4 and getting absolutely nothing in season 5? W.

[plain wasp]

We got vortex

[limber mantle]

Literally who?

[grim heath]

who

[coral root]

Standalone m320 should just be a gadget

[grim heath]

what about a helicopter for the medium 👍

[plain wasp]

Add a nuclear bomb for heavy

[limber mantle]

Underbarrel GL's wouldnt be fun I imagine. I love getting someone low in a 1v1 so they just press their "Fuck you I win" button and kill me instantly. Heavy has so many, why not just give one to medium

[plain wasp]

Alternatively, a fat man from fallout

[limber mantle]

Will go on to complain that heavy is sooooo weak and sooo bad pleeeease embark

(most carried class in the game)

[grim heath]

barret is crazy

[polar trout]

Which one

[grim heath]

in #👂┇game-feedback

[polar trout]

Yeah it fires 30mm grenades

I think it would be cool as hell ngl (please)

[coral root]

I think the only reason medium doesnt already have an M320 is becasue embark is trying their hardest not to make Battlefield 4 again

[grim heath]

yes

[brave solar]

I like this I’m stealing the “fuck you I win” button

[tiny willow]

What the heck does the 4 extra damage on bow even do for it

[limber mantle]

I remember back when rpg did 150......

[polar trout]

Idk

[grim heath]

imagine dual welding sledge hammers

[polar trout]

Gonna be so fr it doesn't seem to break any breakpoints, maybe with hs DMG?

[grim heath]

it does 4 extra damage now 🎀

[limber mantle]

the thoughts of someone who eats candy for breakfast

[tiny willow]

Idk still 1 shots L 2 shots M and 3 shots H

[polar trout]

Imagine dual wielding ball peen hammers as light

[coral root]

Thatd be a sick dual blades skin

[polar trout]

Ohhh you're so right

[coral root]

I love the SSRS idea and think there should definitely also be a destruction option for mediums added at some point

[polar trout]

Demat ig

[limber mantle]

I love how the majority of what goes on in weapon discussion isnt the many crucial balance issues or discussing how we can work the game into a more fun fair state and its more HAHAHA YAAAAY WHAT SLOP SKINS CAN WE MAKE UP TO BUY WITH OUR YUMMY FUN BUCK TOKENS!!!! I LOVE CANDY!!!!!!

[polar trout]

Woah mate, you got something going on?

We're pretty chill here, you can vent if you've a need to

[limber mantle]

Take that armchair shit to reddit

Expresses distaste, woah man whats wrong you need to talk?

[polar trout]

Does it so violently

[limber mantle]

Cornball.

[polar trout]

Could have expressed it with basic human decency, instead of the shit you said

[limber mantle]

You could just say you disagree instead of acting like a freak

[polar trout]

Basic fucking empathy and the want to support my fellow man makes me a freak?

[ashen isle]

you could just not be disrespectful for no reason

[limber mantle]

Dead internet theory

[polar trout]

Huh

[ashen isle]

and now hes accusing us of being bots

[polar trout]

How quaint

[limber mantle]

You're acting like you're a victim because I didnt bite with your blatant condescending ass. "Im just showing basic empathy! I just wanna support my fellow man!"

Yeah backpedal faster.

[polar trout]

Didn't have to be so angry in the beginning, I thought you had something go wrong

Actually yeah why am I arguing this, I've no need to

[limber mantle]

I wasnt angry

[polar trout]

Eh I guess it increases server rank or some shi

[limber mantle]

You're arguing because you're an internet addict and thats all you can think to do instead of ask questions. See look you default to "well it gets me more internet points!"

[ashen isle]

i dont even understand what your original argument was

[polar trout]

Anyways how about a laser gun for med that bounces off walls

[nova quarry]

Double edge sickle from helldivers

[polar trout]

And it could have linear DMG drop off due to atmospheric interference, and lost DMG when bouncing from imperfect reflectors

[polar trout]

Think more the scythe, actually. But yeah, like that

Cuz if it was the sickle.... Then it's just another gun, yk? We already have inf ammo in the finals

[nova quarry]

Sickle + heal beam would be op anyway probably

[polar trout]

Ohhh yeah when one gets hot just swap to the other to let it cool down

[vapid nymph]

Make it like the pool balls. each time you deploy, it changes toppings

[normal acorn]

Yeah thats what im saying it was a half decent weapon in the right hands before and now its borderline unusable. Idk how in the world they thought this “rework” was anything but a huge nerf. Dagger not only needs to be changed again but if its changed back to og it might need an additional buff

[coral root]

The old heal beam sound design was so much better than this current slop

[calm grove]

The revert is enough for me. Buffing it might have shitters crying about it again

[normal acorn]

I get it that you are rewarded with an jnstant kill if you are able to land a backstab so its very punishing if you miss but why would i do that if i can just 2 tap a light with lh1 from any range with ease without ever putting myself in danger. Even if i miss a whole mag im chilling. Or even 1 tap with sniper

[normal acorn]

Im fine with keeping its current state and just letting me sprint while charging

Its so counter intuitive to slow it down while charging

Goes against the whole playstyle

[calm grove]

I only played one round with it after the nerf and the angle nerf felt way too unforgiving

[normal acorn]

Not to mention it kills any sort of gameplay that isnt evasive dadh

[calm grove]

I missed 70% of my dashstabs and couldn't understand why

Until I found out they nerfed it

[normal acorn]

Thats nuts

It was weird to hit before why make it harder. They just disguised a huge nerf as a rework

[calm grove]

The concept itself is absurd to me. When you look at the overbaked weapons in this games arsenal you'd have to look past 15 different weapons before you get to dagger. Literally said fuck this weapon in particular

Let's nerf dagger while nerfed Lh1 can still beam teams from SPAWN and M11 players look at the general direction of something and it disintegrates

[normal acorn]

People in this server have gaslit me into thinking m11 isnt overtuned at all and idk what to believe. Based on my gameplay i feel like its too strong but ppl here act like im literally out of my mind for thinking that and its skill issue so idk

[calm grove]

Way too many bullets paired with low ttk

[normal acorn]

But yeah lh1 is just disgusting and takes little to no skill. And maybe im tweaking but the red dot literally makes it so much better i swear. So many garbage iron sights in this game

[calm grove]

You can whiff half the clip and still win a fight

[normal acorn]

Yeah it feels like the mag lasts for quite a while when im getting beamed by it

But when i said m11 was strong the response was im just letting them get the jump on me too easily and if i was better i would melt the light instantly

[calm grove]

The reason LH1 doesn't terrorize every lobby is that not everyone that picks it up can manage the recoil but in the grand scheme of things it isn't that hard to use yea

[normal acorn]

It feels like a lot of light players downplay lights strength to make themselves feel more skillful

[coral root]

Thte lh1 could still take skill if people didnt complain in s2

[normal acorn]

we have low health 😢

[normal acorn]

It has recoil? Feels like genuinely nothing to me. Im a heavy main and i was getting smacked by a lh1 light and i was like “wow hes cracked i want to try that” and i was amazed by how easy it was to shred people at any range. I thought this guy was rlly good but the weapon is actually just easy and insane.

[calm grove]

Yea that weapon kills too fast and has alotta ammo for me to actually swing my gun and retaliate most of the time. It and the DB are the only ones that make me feel that way

[calm grove]

Any chance you're on controller?

[normal acorn]

No im on pc. I expected to be way harder bc that guy was so good but i found it incredibly easy

I was able to non stop fire at mid ranges without much recoil trouble i would only slow down fire rate at long ranges

And the no range drop off had me tweaking

I was getting kills i shouldnt have gotten whatsoever

[median obsidian]

Was the MODEL Dough Wrangler available in Open Beta / Closed Beta? I remember ownining it and now i do not have it

[sinful spruce]

hi

[hallow leaf]

Yes it was

[novel goblet]

Fix the dang servers before making any more guns

[vapid nymph]

I've been playing this game since S1 and i have almost never have server issues, yet i hear about it being talked about a lot

[normal acorn]

Same here. I think i might have had some issues in open beta but not in current state whatsoever

[calm grove]

For me I had to use LH1 for many hours to get used to it, kicks like a bitch

[ornate juniper]

X2 headshot multiplayer is what skyrockets it's TTK

• they have to make it's recoil hoarder to control

DB is much more risky and balanced and I see almost no ways they can nerf it without making this weapon useless

[vapid nymph]

tbf the DB lost its biggest crutch when they took out the stungun

[calm grove]

It's the hipfire accuracy that makes it crazy. Someone can be moving at full speed and still manage to beam you without needing to ads

At close range ofc

[obsidian nexus]

i feel like the gadgetXP grind is really different per gadget. APS takes way too long compared to smoke grenades. i would like to see this adjusted so they are more in line with eachother in terms of how long it takes to level each gadget

[still magnet]

you dont just feel like it, it is diff
Goo grenades level by blocking dmg meaning if they get put on fire by flamethrower and all the goo blobs get destroyed thats like 3600 dmg blocked therefore fuck tone of xp where as gateway gives you 50 XP flat for putting down a single one and then you have a 40 sec downtime

[vagrant lagoon]

@normal acorn nice pic

[graceful nova]

Passive specialization for Light class: jump kit

When equipped, they can wallrun for 10m at the same max sprint speed as usual, or jump again in mid air twice (same height as a regular jump), both consuming charge (10% per meter or 50% per mid air jump). They make the same noises as regular sprint or jumping

Titanfall style. A silent mean of flanking using walls, double jumping

[ornate juniper]

Lol, this game already has shit ton of bad balance decisions and this will probably be one of the worst ever along with introducing winch claw and stun gun

[normal acorn]

goated show

[graceful nova]

Explain? Just lights running along walls ain’t that different from them on the ground

If anything the triple jump might be really hard to fight against

[ornate juniper]

A really good Light is already a pain in the ass with the current movement options he has

And a lot of people (and me personally) wouldn't want this game to turn into a movement Apex-like sweat-fest