💣┇weapons-gadgets

[covert parcel]

true, my only argument* is
A. casuals want more automatics
B. make it "unique"
~ (not specifics just spitballing)
~ L: Akimbo (auto pistol/smg) - Bloom effet
~ M: Jungle Mag (first reload is fast, second reload is slow - amplified by chamber
~ H: Minigun (same power level as Lewis/M60, but windup & deminishing bloom promoting mag dump)

i feel like the non traditional weaponary isnt the main thing that pushes away people, but certainly adds up over time

also, we have more shotguns, melee, and meme weapons than SMG, or AR, or LMG

again not the end of the world, but The Finals struggles to appeal to casuals and its jsut one of those things that adds up over time pushing away players

[normal ice]

They're fun. I don't want just hitscan all day.

[covert parcel]

i dont either but this game struggles appealing to casuals

i feel like adding 1-2 autos per year wouldnt be the end of the world

overall, not per class
Y1: L & M
Y2: M & H
Y3: H & L

[tranquil rose]

How to beat the goo gun + Hammer combo? Feels like it just stun locks you in place and you cant outrade hammer.

[covert parcel]

@normal ice i wish your christmas is festive and your new years is fantastic

[royal oriole]

change embark the revolver hitbox ?

[covert parcel]

also @normal ice how did you "forward" a message

[fleet brook]

Most casuals go to cash out and hate power shift

[normal ice]

It's one of the options when right-clicking or holding a message. Similar to reply

[fleet brook]

I only play it for challenges and even then it's always the last challenge for me

[normal ice]

Personally, I hate Power Shift, but only because the platform is always in the open and high up off the ground. I like 5v5 and hate the 3 or 4 team fights

I think I prefer PS to WT now that I'm almost Emerald 1 lol

[drowsy pasture]

No?

That is just false

There are so many unique automatic weapons out there

[covert parcel]

streamers + messages revolving around PS & QC respectively. look at people complaining that (blank) region server is dead, that they can only get into powershift

[ashen hawk]

lol dw
i feel like embark got its msg from the "Rebellion 1887" 💀

[covert parcel]

point was with this is 2 teams

[normal ice]

You must be on an old version ig lol

[main ridge]

what are yalls fav skins?

[normal ice]

lava lamp rpg

Now we just need a plasma globe skin for glitch grenade or something

[main ridge]

that sounds lit

[boreal laurel]

That is true, but how would you differentiate any assault rifle from the AK and FCAR? You could make it burst-fire but we already have the FAMAS. Looking unique is different from playing different

[normal ice]

Tbh I could go for less weapons and more gadgets or specializations

[plain wasp]

Yeah that's what I'm hoping for next season

I don't think it'd be that hard to add a spec for L and M and a weapon for each as well as a gadget for each

[normal ice]

We were promised reworked Recon Senses after all

Just make it a single, instant 15m pulse on a 12s cooldown that shows to your teammates and not just you. I think it'd be fine. But I'm open to completely different stuff, too

[plain wasp]

Could make it a throwable type thing that does that aswell

[covert parcel]

recon senses, AoE scan
scanning now does it sonar style

you scan yourself to enemies in real time
you see the enemies position delayed by 2-3s
X charges with X cooldown time

[plain wasp]

We don't want it to be useless

[normal ice]

Info trade like that would be kinda cool, too

[plain wasp]

Reveal your teammates to the enemies for info on them

[covert parcel]

its kind of like deimos from R6, but a bit tweaked

should just be yourself or you+team, trolls will use it to purposely kill their teammates

youre the VIP giving the information, you should def be highlighted

[normal ice]

I don't think it should reveal teammates, no lol

[plain wasp]

Make it like a throwable that reveals everyone pinged to each other but with some benefit to teammates affected

[covert parcel]

sonar nade tho

[plain wasp]

Or Alternatively thrown away to reveal people to only you and you to them

I mean honestly old recon senses but they also reveal you would be kinda balanced

It is painting a giant target on your back if there's a lot of people nearby

[normal ice]

It would need more trimming than that IMO. The range was ridiculous

[covert parcel]

yeah i used it to check third parties & see whos going where, people used it in combat and it was nutty

[plain wasp]

I mean with just a 25-40m or so range it'd be balanced with also revealing yourself

[normal ice]

How about it only shows people who are over 100m away? troll

[plain wasp]

BBQ and chili: the specialization

Reveals people only 40m and further on kill and use

[simple zephyr]

#👂┇game-feedback message @still magnet
While I do agree dagger could use some love, I just wanted to point out a few things:

1. A Sword lunge is never a 1-shot (assuming the opponent has full health). You always have to slash a Light or a Medium once or twice more. In fact: a Heavy can take two lunges and still survive; it requires one more slash to eliminate a Heavy after the two lunges.
Which is rough, because using a Sword is to be in the enemy's face. Even if you stealth or vanish in smoke; in the end, you always have the 'kill or be killed' mindset. Often it's paired with Dash, which has limited use in a particular fight. Heavies using e.g flamethrower are pretty much a direct nemesis for that and can really pose a threat for Sword users.
2. Dagger's backstab is a guaranteed kill. Sneak up behind someone with Stealth (or not?) and you will 1-shot the opponent- afaik no matter their class. (Correct me if I'm wrong anywhere here).

Again, I do agree Dagger is harddd to play as it is atm. I've tried it and it's rough. xD

[plain wasp]

Ok no but what light needs is a gadget that reveals remaining teammates that you can use on an enemy totem

[still magnet]

1. I said oneshot combos. you can oneshot a medium with lunge qm left click or double lunge which is insanely east
2. Yes oneshot, if this game wouldnt have such janky hitboxes, where as i clearly backstab and its not one, and heavys live at 30 hp

[plain wasp]

That's just a combo the only oneshot combo is lunge qm on light

[still magnet]

Heayvs die to lunge qm 2x litterly

[plain wasp]

That is multiple attacks and takes a bit of time to even do

[simple zephyr]

The term "Oneshot combos" is confusing in itself tho xD one-shot = a singular shot.. a combo is a combination of chained attacks.

[normal ice]

Sword doesn't one-shot anything except Light if you're close and accurate enough to instantly qmelee after lunge. Dagger oneshots everyone but H, who MAY require a melee after

[simple zephyr]

You need to Lunge twice -> one slash against a Heavy. Before then, the Heavy probably burnt you to ashes.

[still magnet]

Well if you get jumped by sword you will just see your hp go to 70 hp and you die if not you go to 110 hp and die

[normal ice]

??

[still magnet]

I am very well aware

i am binding the said combos to almost deleting any class in a second

while dagger is super jank

for context i have like 2000 kills on sword and 12000 kills on dagger

[plain wasp]

In what case would your health go to 70?

[still magnet]

lunge qm as medium on swors

[plain wasp]

I mean you could've also just not let them get close idk

[normal ice]

Okay, fair. But then there's a delay before another attack

[plain wasp]

Or simply jump pad

[still magnet]

like 0.5 second delay?

[simple zephyr]

You don't know how much can happen in that time haha

[still magnet]

Dont let them get close in monaco houses i guess

[plain wasp]

Tell a hammer heavy to level the place

[normal ice]

Yeah. That is enough time for Model+melee lol

[still magnet]

i know pretty well

[simple zephyr]

Sometimes I actually hold the pose longer, because I gotta aim right. Very often it takes much longer than 0.5 seconds exactly; bear in mind: that 0.5 seconds is literally the wind-up animation... that's excluding latency, the actual situation, etc.

[normal ice]

Ik Dagger is jank but the jank goes both ways. I will perfectly track someone dashing behind me with it, and they will still "backstab" me even when I'm looking them dead in the eyes.

[astral cedar]

And sometimes I’ll spectate my dagger friend and hitting someone with their back completely turned doesn’t count

[simple zephyr]

Nice, but time played really doesn't say much. xD

[still magnet]

Dont account spectator, spectating dagger is a mess, the player sees otherwise

[plain wasp]

Simple solution to all these melee issues is jump pad and zipline

[normal ice]

Especially jumppad lol

[simple zephyr]

I played The Finals for 131.1 hours so far :D joined in the Samurai Season. Fell in love with the theme and pretty much play Sword Light almost all the time xD

[astral cedar]

Outside of that 99.9% of my dagger deaths are akiba stab

Honorable mention just getting shanked to death because something else did like 150 damage to me and the dagger user can just clean up

[still magnet]

well thats the thing a new player can perform on sword, while me a almost diamond dagger onetrick still cant do jackshit at times

[normal ice]

@narrow nymph #👂┇game-feedback message
It doesn't impair gadgets. You can still jumppad, dome shield, barricade, throw mines

But it isn't the funnest thing to fight, I'll give you that

And it is often a death sentence for Lights who have no good gadgets to respond with

[covert parcel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1309562501775753307/1309609624730865735/12201387_cf367-ezgif.com-speed.gif?ex=67423481&is=6740e301&hm=c96044c6d9bdb377a6be5a2a94010f9d54c0ec3aa64c9b4ef635b2c275229168&
@normal ice @sand monolith prettied it up

[normal ice]

lmfao not the PicMix

[plain wasp]

Hey you pretty much said what I responded to him with

[copper zinc]

You think I should replace the barricade with dome shield?

[still magnet]

also mind you, i am stabbing this guys ashole, which isnt a backstab @simple zephyr @normal ice

[normal ice]

Skill issue /s

[normal ice]

They both have unique applications. It's actually not a bad idea to run both, depending on the teams you're fighting

Barricade is more resilient, blocks doorways, can be used to hide, can be used to climb. Dome can be thrown, doesn't care about terrain destruction, is 360 degrees, lets you attack through it

[bold current]

bought the lh1 lmao

am i cooked

[plain wasp]

The LH1 is my precious

[granite orchid]

Ah, thats my issue. I used to bring barricade in reserve for my mesh heavy but rarely found use for it when compared to the dome shield. I need to be more creative from the sounds of it. I’m still fairly new so I thought the dome shield was just indefinitely superior

[shell sonnet]

whats the state of lh1 anyways?
has been a while since i used it and didnt quite keep track of its changes

[plain wasp]

It has slightly lower rpm than before and 48 damage

[granite orchid]

What’s the headshot multiplier for it?

[plain wasp]

Also visual recoil was lowered
Headshot multi is 2x meaning 96 damage

[granite orchid]

Damn, surprised I don’t see more lights using it

[plain wasp]

It starts falling off at 55m now tho

Instead of 75 like it was

[granite orchid]

A bit strange for a DMR but that’s still a pretty damn effective range considering the mobility available to the light class plus I know you can put a sight on it now

[covert parcel]

its still very strong

[plain wasp]

Because it still has a bit of recoil and lots can't handle ittt

[granite orchid]

Yeah, you could probably pull some nasty kills if you use a gateway to juke with it midfight too to make up for the slower rpm

[granite orchid]

I’m a shit light tbh but I’m trying to get good with the class since I’d like to be a reliable flex and its biggest area of improvement for me atm

[granite orchid]

I’ll add the LH1 to the queue of equipment

[plain wasp]

I have better teamwipes than that one honestly

[granite orchid]

That’s recoil? That’s the slower rpm? Compared to what 🤨😭

[plain wasp]

I mean you aren't seeing it without me controlling it

I've been using it since s1

[granite orchid]

Fair

[plain wasp]

It can track people up ziplines with recoil from a medium distance

[granite orchid]

I use the revolver on medium and to a pretty damn effective degree too, I think I could get away with it but I’ll let you know if I’m eating my words @plain wasp

[plain wasp]

I got some other teamwipe clips with it I can send

[normal ice]

Why does LH1 fall off at 55m but SR-84 becomes a damn projectile at 40?

They gotta remove that projectile shit

[covert parcel]

TA was SR84 meta

[granite orchid]

If you need someone to share them with, I’d be delighted to be witness

[normal ice]

Shoulda just given it harsher falloff instead of the projectile gimmick

[plain wasp]

@granite orchid

Me when frags do half of the work

I think I have some more recent ones but not downloaded on my phone

[granite orchid]

Buddy, chill I’m still new to this game but I can recognize your high quality gameplay 😭

[drowsy pasture]

Your aim is poo

[plain wasp]

You mean this high quality gameplay?

[granite orchid]

Hey man, some days it’s like that 😭, I fuck up some easy shots with my revolver too

[plain wasp]

These ones aren't even LH1 related just they're something

[drowsy pasture]

Damn your aim is really poo

[granite orchid]

Holy shit that mine clip is comical

[plain wasp]

That is exactly why I clipped it

[granite orchid]

I can’t say my monkey brain wouldn’t attempt the same, you looking down and recognizing the danger and still pushing your luck is some fucking gambling

[plain wasp]

bzzt "aw dang it"

[dawn spoke]

biggest god dmaned peoples elbow of all time

[plain wasp]

Also if you didn't notice in the heavy slam clip he instakilled my teammate

[dawn spoke]

lmao

[shell sonnet]

thats cool
wish we had more stuff like that

and yeah, mines are really funky sometimes
kinda want better hitreg for them
but that might also make them even worse

but does that even come up often enough to make it noticably worse?

most often theyre just spammed on the objective and in doorways where that doesnt matter

[granite orchid]

LETS GO GAMBLING 🎰

[timber idol]

i eat mines for breakfast

[timber idol]

i want to use the gambling machines on las vegas

[dawn spoke]

it would be nice

[granite orchid]

Surprised that isn’t an Easter egg yet. Maybe in a future patch

[plain wasp]

Me grabbing a facefull of mines for breakfast:

[timber idol]

hopefully

[dawn spoke]

5 dollar pay out on the slots

[timber idol]

whenever i die to mines, i see them in front of me but realise too late lmao

[shell sonnet]

if it had the proper length i would considered sending that to scotty and june

[plain wasp]

It's not even that I didn't see the mine once again I just thought I was far enough away

[shell sonnet]

i recall a very old clip
i think i got it during steal the spotlight

[timber idol]

also colourblind settings are useless because i confuse my team with purple/pink teams

[granite orchid]

Last night I discovered that mines can be placed on enemy statues as one rival team made sure to educate me when I rounded a corner only to get coined

[timber idol]

because i cant tell if they are my team or not

[timber idol]

oh wow

[plain wasp]

Mines can be placed on anything, and even be moved to a distance away from the object while staying attached by moving the object through a gateway while holding it when it has a mine on it

[granite orchid]

On one hand, I was severely frustrated and on the other hand, I was pleased to learn something new

[granite orchid]

So hypothetically, I could place pyro mines on a gas tank and throw that through a gateway?

[unborn frigate]

yes

[timber idol]

wait can you put a mine on a riot shield

[shell sonnet]

found it, i posted this ages ago

[granite orchid]

Do not let members of this community get their hands on irl nitroglycerin 🙏

[unborn frigate]

dont think you can

[timber idol]

aww

[shell sonnet]

probably, yes

thats how imagine people would do the §gadget kills from 30 meters" contract

just gateway and spam

[plain wasp]

Well you can but back in the day there was a change made so mines and attachable make objects throw like 2 feet away

[granite orchid]

Ah well, so much for that

[plain wasp]

Back in my day there was such thing as a "nuke"

[shell sonnet]

the end of the gateway would need some hight though because it needs to charge first

[timber idol]

tbh i have no idea how i completed it but apparently i did it by accident

[shell sonnet]

random mine kills maybe?

[granite orchid]

I will say that official highlight showed me I could combo a JP into a demat to force the cash vault to my level so that’s been really neat lately

[unborn frigate]

also what would it do because you would also be expolded/burned/gassed

[shell sonnet]

oooh, that reminds me
i got a really stupid double kill some time ago
hold on

[plain wasp]

I had a clip where I got a double kill with a breaching charge attached to a gas canister but xbox deleted it :(

[plain wasp]

Breaching charge used to do 150 damage also by the way

[timber idol]

not if a teammate put an explosive mine on it

[unborn frigate]

true, but i think it would bounce off

[plain wasp]

Mines and attachables can go on throwables

[timber idol]

oh well

[plain wasp]

Not riot shield tho yeah

[unborn frigate]

idk though havent used riot in ages

[plain wasp]

Pyro nades would stick to riot shield a few updates ago but it got fixed

[timber idol]

i wish it would get buffed

[unborn frigate]

yeah this is what makes me think it wouldnt work

[timber idol]

i died to that bug too many times

[plain wasp]

I killed one person with it long ago

[shell sonnet]

make stupid plays
win stupid prizes
win anyways, lol

[plain wasp]

I didn't even do it on purpose that's just how I discovered it and I didn't ever do it again because I stopped running pyro

[timber idol]

ah

i never set a riot shield on fire because

1. i barely see any
2. i know how hecking annoying it is

[normal ice]

They overkilled nukes

I wish I could at least put my gas mine on a red canister and send it

But now it flops around even MORE unreliably than usual

[granite orchid]

They got too thirsty

[timber idol]

they were too annoying im sorry but they had to go

[astral cedar]

Single person I’ve seen agree with me

they killed it super hard at the cost of some of my fave sandbox interactions

[plain wasp]

Mines should give an amount of weight to it that makes sense

[shell sonnet]

they could have reworked it tbh

i wanted propane nukes to go on a 100% straight path, but incredibly slow

comically slow death approaching you
easy to avoid, but should you get close, you die

[astral cedar]

I loved gas mine+red canister

[shell sonnet]

but in doubt of what carnage that might cuase, im glad they are just gone for good

[plain wasp]

Ok yeah actually them just moving slower would be the funniest thing ever

[normal ice]

The damage nerfs were enough tbh. They didn't have to staple on the gravity and gadget disabling stuff

[shell sonnet]

iirc it always had 1-shot potential, so no

[normal ice]

They did make them move slower, actually. But only a little. Then they added it with gravity later

[normal ice]

No, I mean the damage nerfs at the start of S2. They made it 20% for every gadget slapped onto a carriable, stacking

[shell sonnet]

you mean after nukes were killed?

cant remember which update that was, i think we left "nukes" nukes were left in season 1

[covert parcel]

C4 on barrel
~ C4 damage mitigated (still full arena destruction)
~ Barrel effect cut in half (dmg & range of effect, goo would have half size & half HP, red nukes would have half dmg half range, etc etc)

[normal ice]

I'm pretty sure it was the start of S2 that they added a damage nerf AND made the gadgets temporarily disable AND added gravity

[covert parcel]

not exactly in half but somewhere around that

just gut the damage from nukes and it would have been a cool thing unique to the finals

[shell sonnet]

arena destruction would have been ok
but then we got problems with rpg vs c4

[covert parcel]

to be fair destruction is the name of the game, 1 of those 2 will always be meta
only time they wont be meta is if something better that destroys comes along

[normal ice]

RPG is quicker, doesn't require a carriable, and can't detonate in your face when someone shoots at you

[covert parcel]

hot take: no utility damage

asides from liek frags pyro etc

[shell sonnet]

fair

they could also just have made nukes a barrel amplifier

0 c4 damage
but the gas cloud/pyro aoe is way bigger

to kind of flush people out at range

[covert parcel]

yes

[zinc kiln]

Yeah that would be a nice solution

[copper zinc]

which is better? M11 or the one with the scope for lights ( I forgot it’s name).

I don’t really see the difference in any of em

[split kettle]

the XP?

they perform about the same but I find the XP to be more easy to use

[mellow hazel]

anyone have the spreadsheet for ttks? the one in pins gives me a 404

[hallow leaf]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ud7Rdl3AgMw9mmfDwW2LtDMnzZQ9IIhnqSE4ivsaMTs/edit?gid=2136619021#gid=2136619021

[primal pivot]

bullets no matter how the sight is shaky goes the middle of the screen right? (like jumping etc)

[hallow leaf]

Yes

[primal pivot]

is it forbidden to use crosshair softwares in the game?

[plush harbor]

not forbidden

[primal pivot]

so there is no ban risk for em?

I sadly don't have the monitor baked ones xd

is there any content creator or someone using it? I don't really know many softwares for crosshairs but its kinda annoying that sights and crosshair can get all over the place

fr? he got a channel?

and can I send a ticket or smth like that to ask about it maybe?

[normal ice]

Mods themselves already say crosshair overlays are legal

No need to bother them about it. Just use them

[primal pivot]

I've never seen that and I saw some big youtubers and people say its bannable or forbidden. Thats why I was unsure

[normal ice]

#⚡┇the-finals-chat message

I use CrossOver and am fine lol. Unless your program injects into the game's code, you're fine

[primal pivot]

it says its still bannable I am confused

[primal pivot]

yeah it looks safe but risky I don't want to be banned like after some time down the road. I got a loaded account and I enjoy the game

[hallow leaf]

Nope, devs said that they don't care if you use one

[primal pivot]

idk really but sights are quite annoying

[primal pivot]

devs said it? what the hell is going on with this inconsistent answers xd I heart ottr said its risky and bannable cause its 3rd party and giving advantage etc like

[normal ice]

The anticheat is not going to detect an overlay. Some crosshair programs try to inject into the game to have dynamic effects, like changing when you move or whatever, so as long as you avoid those and just use a simple overlay, you're fine.

[primal pivot]

crosshair v2? and isn't it still 3rd party? does it HAVE TO inject the game to be banned no matter what?

[normal ice]

I've heard Easy Anti-Cheat whitelists Crosshair v2.

[hallow leaf]

Yes, but I'm not going to look through the whole discord to find the chat they sent about it

[primal pivot]

I saw gravity drop still using a crosshair software I assume because he doesn't have one in his vids

[primal pivot]

is it this one? @hallow leaf

[normal ice]

They don't even ban you if they detect code injection on launch. They just restrict you from launching the game

There's nothing to worry about, trust

[primal pivot]

can't devs delist or list softwares themselves? I heard from some people that they don't like crosshair software situations and stuff. are they straight up lying then? xd

I heard so much conflicting stuff man its confusing af

[normal ice]

@dusk heath give this man some milk

[primal pivot]

please lmao

I thought about tickets or whatnot to ask directly because like no one have a DEFINITIVE answer from what I understood

[hallow leaf]

Also it's almost impossible to ban onscreen crosshairs considering a vast majority of gaming monitors have a built in crosshair

[primal pivot]

yeah I heard some people do as well. but they still say there is the risk. and like I said before I don't wanna get banned down the road just because I wanted a stable crosshair. so I wanna confirm

[hallow leaf]

There is a risk of the crosshair is put to interact with the game, but if it's a overlay or something that is built into the monitor it won't get you banned

Take crosshair x for example, it uses the Xbox game bar, they would need to mess with game bar to track and ban it

[primal pivot]

whats the difference with it? and isn't it being a 3rd party software adding something to your game to be banned?

[normal ice]

a crosshair overlay is not adding anything to your game

it's just another application drawing shit on your screen separately lol

[hallow leaf]

Take cheats for example, they pull from the finals and direct interact with it

[primal pivot]

still something effecting your gameplay yk? thats what others were using as an argument for this topic xd

[hallow leaf]

Think of an overly as basically puting a piece of tape on your screen

[primal pivot]

its 3rd party and effecting your gameplay so its bannable they say

[hallow leaf]

Depends on what the 3rd party software does

[normal ice]

yeah, only elitist pricks say that. It's fine and the devs said it's fine lol

[primal pivot]

so NOT any 3rd party softwares will get you banned in games

[hallow leaf]

Take razer and Corsair for example they are 3rd party softwares that can change your mouse

They are technically 3rd party softwares

[primal pivot]

yeah thats why I'm trying to find the answer from devs to have a confirmation xd

[hallow leaf]

And we have told you it's fine

[primal pivot]

oh right.. yeah

[primal pivot]

I got crosshairv2 now xd

[normal ice]

If it's of any reassurance

Discord draws shit on your screen, too, with its ingame overlay

[hallow leaf]

And discord is also a 3rd party software

[normal ice]

Crosshair overlays are no different from a technical standpoint

[primal pivot]

lmao okay it has its own overlay too right

thanks all for your patience and explaining xd

[normal ice]

No worries lol

[hallow leaf]

Think of it this way, the game has crosshairs but people don't like them so they use onscreen crosshair and the game also has voice chat but people use discord

[primal pivot]

I mean from what I understand plenty of people are using em already so it would damage the community a lot to ban em

[normal ice]

They really just need to let you keep the in-game crosshair on even when you ADS

[primal pivot]

yeah fair point. I hope frostbyte will still cmere and say something about it tho since they got pinged lmao

[primal pivot]

yeah triangle sight is terrible plus I want my own crosshair stable because it wiggles like jelly all around

[normal ice]

There's an option to keep the crosshair stable

[primal pivot]

plus red is so small and blending in a lot for me for mac10

[normal ice]

It's called in-world crosshair or something like that. Look around in the settings

[primal pivot]

not only crosshair the sights as well they are too wobbly and I don't really like their cross

[normal ice]

Oh yeah, the viewmodels are dogshit lol. Literally nobody likes how wobbly they are

[primal pivot]

I am not a cod fan but BO6 is insane with it rn for example it still shakes and gets effected but you see where you shoot

[hallow leaf]

The wobbly crosshairs have been complained about since the betas and they still have t fixed them

[primal pivot]

sights are off but bullets are still going the middle of the screen and all its annoying

and dude I DESPISE the damn triangle one xd

[normal ice]

Tbh I only started using CrossOver this season

And while it isn't mandatory, it saves me from one hell of a headache

[primal pivot]

does it feel better with ads as well to have a stable cross or am I just coping?

[normal ice]

It feels better

[primal pivot]

crosshair x or v2

[hallow leaf]

Crosshair x is a paid one but it's customization is amazing, and if you want to make one in Photoshop you can just import it as a ping and use that

[primal pivot]

bruh x even got the finals in their trailer lmao

[chrome wadi]

I want a sight for 93r

[normal ice]

I want the 93R to shoot incendiary rounds and have an underbarrel tazer

[hallow leaf]

X also has a steam workshop

[primal pivot]

they literally have the game in their trailer lmao. and a workshop? damn its sick I'm buying it

[hallow leaf]

Make sure to follow the instructions on how to set it up with gamebar

[primal pivot]

otherwise it works differently?

I used to mostly close xbox apps in the background when I'm gaming

[shell sonnet]

iron sight for the sniper rifle anyone?

[hallow leaf]

I sent you a dm

[chilly solstice]

What’s the fix to the missing files problem?

[primal pivot]

verify the files maybe?

[coral root]

Why did they rework the dagger, there was nothing wrong with it

[primal pivot]

I liked the old stab as well ngl

[restive plover]

Whats the best spec to run with throwing knives?

[covert parcel]

@pliant steppe https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183069658086117447/1309667239842152508/image.png?ex=67426a2a&is=674118aa&hm=21eb827db61405bfdd979d76259eb3dce5109bd298240e1e67416fe579824fec&
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1309562501775753307/1309609624730865735/12201387_cf367-ezgif.com-speed.gif?ex=67423481&is=6740e301&hm=c96044c6d9bdb377a6be5a2a94010f9d54c0ec3aa64c9b4ef635b2c275229168&=&width=750&height=421

[vestal locust]

grenade always

[boreal laurel]

All 3 work. Dash is arguably best though

[tender harbor]

Whats the falloff damage from the m11? Theres nothing about it on the wiki

[covert parcel]

all 3, but cloak or dash is pretty good
Grapple: mid air + alternate fire is 100% accurate
Dash: left click, dash, left click
Cloak: you can hold alternate fire while cloaked

[normal ice]

Holding alt fire while cloaked is probably the only reason to ever use Cloak over Vanish Bomb. Even then I'd still say it's an unreliable crutch and Dash is better lol

[green ether]

oh i never realised u can hold alt fire to hold the double throw lol

[main ridge]

i like the healing beam

[agile quiver]

finally get max level cloaking

[pliant steppe]

Bruh, the demat is ass now. It shouldn’t be that hard to close stuff.

[drowsy pasture]

They didn't do anything to it

[pliant steppe]

At the start of the season they did. The increased radius is cancer because it’s such a pain to close them all up now.

[agile quiver]

We need more defib skins! Its an item that every medium uses and yet only has 1 good skin that was locked behind a battlepass that you can't get anymore

[cosmic tide]

how good is the pyro grenade objectively? and is it better or worse than the frag

[jade violet]

fucking m11 im sure they have to nerf this shit

its a 100% broken weapon

1000rpm and 16damage

and 1s reload

in OverWatch tracer have same weapon as light build m11 in the finals

but tracer's auto pistol only have 5 damage

[zenith drum]

Lewis gun or m60, whats the differnce?

[keen knot]

Lewis smaller mag cleaner irons

M60 slower TTK but can put red dot on

I prefer m60 because of larger mag and red dot

[zenith drum]

ok thx

[cunning kettle]

lewis:

• best lmg in terms of dps
• lower mag capacity
• stronger recoil
• iron sight only

m60:

• MURICA 🦅🦅🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🔥 🗣️
• can have red dot
• big ass mag
• kinda mid damage

[civic basin]

anyone know why the turret doesnt have the level 5 white skin?

[restive plover]

thanks buddy

[glossy berry]

Is using the revolver on medium worth it?

[vale obsidian]

only if your aim is as good

[silk jungle]

I like it in general, but I dont like that two bodyshots on a light leaves them with like 5 hp. Really annoying.

[vale obsidian]

it 2 tapping light won't be fair 🤷‍♂️

[silk jungle]

yeah that isnt what i have a problem with. It's their healthbar only having a pixel left that annoys me. That sliver of red is just so dissatisfying.

Feels like another shot isn't even worth it

[hallow leaf]

Wdym, quite a few weapons 2 tap lights. Why can't the revolver? The model, Cl-40, ks-23,m23 matter all 2 two lights

[vale obsidian]

bc fire rate is a thing

2 tap in those other gun is fair cus it take a while to shoot another shot + its around the same rytum as light dash cd

[hallow leaf]

Revolver should 2 tap lights to be fair

[vale obsidian]

not fair...

you have the fire rate in your muscle memory right?
now imagine you died in that same time

as a light you can't out kill you as the dps role anymore so all you can do is just not peek

[hallow leaf]

Would feel about the same as if I died to the sh19 or m11

But the key difference is revolver actually requires skill

[vale obsidian]

you should have a disadvantage when fighting the killing specalist class as THE Support class

[sand monolith]

The difference is pretty much just range and fire rate.

The Lewis gun shoots slower but doesn’t drop off as hard, meaning it’s a little worse close up because you’re punished more for each bullet you miss, but it can hit people from longer. The m60 is the opposite

[restive plover]

Lewis is better at everything, especially range. It has less ammo but they both have more than 1000 damage per mag so it really does not matter.

[sand monolith]

^ the Lewis gun is pretty much just always better unless point blank range and even then they might as well be even

[placid needle]

What is optimal heavy loadout for quick cash.

[dusky ember]

I wasn't here for the season 5 teaser image to be leaked/revealed. Do we know if the shotgun in the teaser is going to be a new shotgun for the medium class? Or a skin for the model?

[vale obsidian]

better question is what loadout is best for solo q
imo its charge, quad shotty or lewis, doom, rpg, barricade

[shut bane]

It’s a new shotgun for medium most likely

It’d balance out the arsenal for every class to have two shotgun options

And it’s definitely unique enough not to be a skin

[plain wasp]

Please tell me it's a ksg and is slug rounds

I might just explode if it's another shotgun that's impossible to play against cqb for medium especially

[shrewd fulcrum]

What load out should I use for medium as a complete beginner? Rn I am using ak(saving up for fcar) demat, frag, goo, and jump pad

[vale obsidian]

i'd replace one of those with defib
which one is for you to choose

[fleet brook]

Jesus melee heavy without winch makes me mad

And it ain't a skill issue I still had the best K/D ratio on my team it just felt obnoxious

[dire geode]

I'd probably replace frag with defib, to me, the frag is hard to use well, and playing medium without defib is just basically griefing.

[vale obsidian]

never talk smack about frag when frag trapping is a thing

just right click frag in fort of you if the person chasing you are really close or below your feet for normal chase

[sturdy sand]

I think the heavy needs a semi-auto

[uncut peak]

Real like a Draco

[sturdy sand]

That's an AK if I'm understanding you correctly

FAL maybe?

[vale obsidian]

we talking dmr?

[uncut peak]

Also I have a funny idea for a med gadget called the hackers bracelet:

42 sec cooldown

3 sec to pop

12m range

Puts all abilities on cooldown ( Or u just can't use and gadgets or abilities for 20 sec) like a sombra hack

[fleet brook]

I want a hand Cannon as heavys revolver/pistol side arm

[sturdy sand]

Yes

[uncut peak]

Naw the semi auto sniper from og cod

[fleet brook]

Every other class has there's

[fleet brook]

Draconov not Draco

[sturdy sand]

You mean like cod4?

[uncut peak]

U already have a hand cannon u have 2

[uncut peak]

Yi mb

[fleet brook]

No KS 23 isn't a hand Cannon it's a slug shotgun

Hand cannons were really big fuckin pistols that basically shot your arm off

[uncut peak]

No the double hand cannon bro that thing is nasty

It dropped season 4

[fleet brook]

Deagles aren't technically hand cannons they're just strong pistols heavy just handle's them one handed somehow

[sturdy sand]

You mean the SVD

[uncut peak]

Cause they bug strong men

[uncut peak]

Did yall like this idea

[uncut peak]

I think that's the one in the newer game but yi same concept

[sturdy sand]

Nah the heavy doesn't mesh well with DMRs

[uncut peak]

I mean yeah but I could
see heavy having a semi auto that is just a sniper that they use like a rifle

Or better idea a ducking tank gun that they can't aim down sites but it has big rounds great range and destroyed walls

[fleet brook]

Hate it

[uncut peak]

Like the KS but more powerful at range and damage at the cost of a lower mag

[uncut peak]

Why bro I'm tryna tell a light to sit down

[fleet brook]

I hate any silence in a ability or gadgetry based game no matter how good or bad it is it always makes me mad

[uncut peak]

Fair enough but I like it because I am the type of person that most players would hate bc I was a sombra main before her rework

[fleet brook]

I played junkrat and heroes who were good into Sombra and I still hated her

[astral cedar]

Give medium a stun/slow specialization and I can shut up about medium melee

[uncut peak]

Realll

Freeze nade!!!

[vale obsidian]

revert stun gun to season 1

[astral cedar]

I’ll take anything man

it’s the only melee class without some measure against people running away

[ashen hawk]

Weapon: Lewis gun/akimbo.
Gadgets: Dome shield, barricade and rpg7.
Reserve Gadgets-- explosive mine, anti grav cube, frag.
Specialization: Charge n Slam

Outfit-- Holtow 🔥

[astral cedar]

All we got is goo grenade 😔

[cyan bobcat]

weapon concept for medium: danuvia VD 01
❓A 9mm pistol with a helical magazine. Semi automatic.
🩸35 | 53 headshots | dmg falloff start: 22m - max falloff: 30m (-30%)
🔥Rpm limit: 330
🎯Aimed accuracy: good | hip fire accuracy: decent
⏱️Reload: 2.5s
Mag size: 30 (irl 33)

[ashen hawk]

@viral rivet
the balance changes you posted on game feedback are heaven

may embark employ in their having-a-bad-day balance team

[vale obsidian]

a pistol with an under barral GL is something i like to see lmao

[cyan bobcat]

Its a helical magazine, like the one in PP-Bizon

[hearty wagon]

Looks alright

[uncut peak]

I fucks w it but scope? Give it a holo sight and it's good

[dusky ember]

Yeah I figured, I wondered what people are saying because I saw some speculation that it could just be the model, or m870 or a different shotgun.

Funny enough, I actually predicted them to add a medium shotgun to balance out the model, looks like I was right

[uncut peak]

Same I'm so excited

[placid needle]

Is mesh shield good at all or only good for poweslide.

[grave zodiac]

If you have a team you can actually play with it's good, otherwise no run the Charge and instantly win or winch

[vale obsidian]

no gatgid is only good in one game mode

it can only be good in situation

mesh is really great at nutral fight/ mid range fight and powershift just so happen to be a mostly mid range game mode

[fast silo]

someone help me fix mouse lag in the finals

[vale obsidian]

dose it also randomly flick high above you or down below you too?

[fast silo]

its like mouse react .1ms slower

[vale obsidian]

bad news im in the same boat lmao

[fast silo]

same problem too?

[vale obsidian]

yeah

but it dosn't have like a base slowness/ lag

my mouse would randomly not read that im flicking so aimming become so agward

[fast silo]

my mouse is not sycroniced with my aim

[vale obsidian]

dose this problem happen in other game too? cus mein are

[fast silo]

yes ow2

[spring dock]

I can’t send pics but in the season 5 preview thing it looks like the guy is holding some kind of discs in his left hand. New gadget maybe?

[desert falcon]

Hear me out: a jazz club skin bundle with a saxophone flamethrower skin, a trumpet pistol skin (don’t know which one) and a microphone dagger / microphone-stand spear

[mossy socket]

Bring back the fucking Nukes. Nobody cares what the 1% of whiney sweats have to say.

[winter flint]

Model 1887 is best weapon now for medium?

[normal ice]

In most scenarios, yes. Easy to use, too

Have a reserve FAMAS or AKM for longer range engagements like on Suspended Structures

[vestal locust]

Am i the only one that always have a nade in my gadgets

[normal ice]

no lol

[vestal locust]

fr always

[normal ice]

Frags are so common, especially since they gutted explosive mines so hard

[vestal locust]

feels so emty handed without it

[normal ice]

They're probably gonna nerf frags soon, just watch

[grave zodiac]

I wouldn't complain tbh, I hate standing on like a suspended platform then watching 4-6 of them land all around me

But damn did they gut mines, they were so fun yet easy to counter if you had ANY awareness. Now its back to every cashout has a gas mine on it

[main ridge]

just use ats turrent, thats the counter

[grave zodiac]

... aps blocks 3 max, I said 4-6. Plus, it's really really stupid that one should be forced to run both medium and aps on moving platforms to make them not hellish

[restive plover]

Best build for dual blades?

[solemn jasper]

Nerf famas

[coral root]

I miss the old V9S fire rate. So lame how people have to exploit key binds and cheat

[coral root]

I feel like rather than nerfing they could buff the counters like scar, M60 and LH1

[young quail]

facts

[stuck dew]

Medium is getting a 2nd shotgun now, finally. It's an M1014, isn't it? The barrel is super short, so I couldn't really make heads or tails on it, but I doubt that it's actually a pump action

[limber breach]

whats the best weapon for light

[normal ice]

@crude leaf #👂┇game-feedback message

You're going on a tangent, mate. They're talking about whether there should be indicators.

[normal ice]

Depends on the range, but try sticking with M11, LH1, or SH1900.

[limber breach]

okay thx

[crude leaf]

😶‍🌫️

For the belief that they're annoying tho is the reason

I'm on the fence abt indicators tho, personally this is the most fun I've had with Frag Grenades and I don't know if having an indicator contributed

[limber breach]

what do u think abt xxp 54

[normal ice]

M11 outclasses it in close range and LH1 outclasses it at far range. Unfortunately, XP-54 just doesn't have a real place in the meta right now.

[torn socket]

You could try ,stun and vanishing bomb with it

[normal ice]

But Stun Gun and Vanish Bomb are useful for almost any Light weapon lol

[torn socket]

Ik but the guy asked for something with the xxp 54 it’s clear he likes it

[covert parcel]

i agree but we cant act like frag isnt overused

not because OP but because of the familiarity across any FPS title in exisance

also, the learning curve is so fucking harsh on this game

• chaotic sound
• chaotic visuals

its an absolute cluster fuck of a game sensory wise, dont change that

just make it easier for casuals to adapt to it - ie UI elements

[normal ice]

Honestly half of the problem is the forced TAA and the sound bugs. Fix those and it'd be much easier to learn lol

[covert parcel]

high level nothing is going to change if they add nade indicators, everyone knows the sound ques
low level, those little things add up of "bullshit" design

hence:

just make the new player experience better i dont understand why embark hasnt done that. they say they want a casual game, but then DONT make the onboarding proccess easier

no minor DPS changes are going to fix it

[covert parcel]

TAA?

[normal ice]

Temporal Anti-Aliasing, the reason why everything looks like a smeary mess

[covert parcel]

oh i thought it was my PC being shit

[normal ice]

If you could turn it off, it'd save a little GPU performance, too. Which would also mean more players

[covert parcel]

can you not do anything in settings?

[normal ice]

Nope. Actually, people found a way to force it off through config files in the beta, and of course, Embark fixed it instead of just adding options to turn it off

[covert parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/characterhub-omg-amazing-amazing-so-amazing-amazed-gif-13925598772431504110

[normal ice]

Finals is already poorly optimized and demands a lot of CPU/RAM even just sitting in the main menu, but having the ugliest blight on modern gaming forcibly enabled (TAA) puts a lot of people off

I've seen people on Reddit and Steam complain that they outright refuse to play because of it. Some even get motion sickness

[wanton anvil]

Do we know the ranked weapon rewards for this season? I couldnt find them anywhere

[mellow brook]

Who wants to have a conversation

[drowsy pasture]

True

[mellow brook]

Try to get to Contestant lvl 1

[limber breach]

ee

is it worth it to get the scope for m11

[noble swift]

You do know that 96% of game graphs look like this, right?

Launches are always big, then you see a -90% of the player count, then the game settles

Literally look at any game. Palworld is a proper example

If you wanna see Palworld cuz nuh uh not peebeepee and not a shooter, Xdefiant

[desert falcon]

Lowkey forgot about palworld lol

[covert parcel]

for live serveic PVP is what i meant

[noble swift]

The game has a very healthy playerbase but gamers cant comprehend that unless they see 1 million motherfuckers at all times and also 1m on twitch views

I mean shit... its the same trend for every call of duty. Everyone knows COD peaks twice and then by February its dying off hard

[desert falcon]

Yeah, just because a game doesn’t have a lot of outside influence doesn’t mean that the player base isn’t strong

[covert parcel]

oh no its doing very well its niche

[noble swift]

And theres nothing wrong with a game being a niche game

[covert parcel]

my point is the casual player has tried it and doesnt like it, so how can we appeal to them without destroying the identity of the finals

cause overall, the player count is decreasing. the settled playerbase only stays for so long

not "omg game dead on arival", like slowly over time we see 1K over 1-2 months which is normal, but season after season the avg goes down

[noble swift]

The game is way past the point in trying to appeal to new people. Now they should be focusing on fostering what people they have cuz thats whos really gonna bring in more people.

Everybody knows what the game is and if you look at the trailers on yt, they literally x10 XDefiant

[desert falcon]

I think that getting streamers that usually play bigger fps games (apex, valo, etc.) to play the finals could be super beneficial

[noble swift]

Also the current people are who the game is for

[covert parcel]

• ultimately segwaying them into the gamemode we all love, cashout. HOW do you segway new players into playing the gamemode without being thrown into the deep end of everything this game has to offer and then leave cause misc. reasons

[desert falcon]

I think getting more word of mouth out would be the most beneficial

Just like people telling friends about it

[covert parcel]

x10 definat?

[noble swift]

Ye, the view count for S4 if The Models was 10 times bigger than the latest season of XDefiant when it came out

[covert parcel]

ohhh

[covert parcel]

not saying its bad, just average shmoe left

how do we gain them back

[indigo cairn]

pistols

[torn socket]

15k people isn’t bad

They just need a god damn stsrters game mode

Last thing they need is poor little Tom getting pared against a model main that’s insanely good

[covert parcel]

yes

easier to understand gamemodes for casuals, such as 2 team gamemodes on the finals signature gamemode
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183069658086117447/1309667239842152508/image.png?ex=674312ea&is=6741c16a&hm=078d83db3be00c4e655f259c9c255e323e4d67ed04e0dc94ad046417bb773242&
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[normal ice]

Go Mega Cash or Go Home

I don't understand why some people are still saying Defib is fine

How is a gadget with a 100% pickrate fine?

[dire geode]

i think it'd be a nice balance if the amount of health you get defibbed with would be randomized like for heavy's it could be 100-300 health that you get defibed with, or make it so that here's like a 10% chance that the defib doesnt work at all

[normal ice]

I, a defender of random crits in TF2, am really hope you're joking

[dire geode]

the second part? no the randomized part, yes

wait, both the parts are random lol

[normal ice]

Yeah, let's not add RNG into basic mechanics that close 3v3 fights rely on, especially whether or not a gadget simply works

If you want to design a whole game around strategical RNG use, that's fine, but not for The Finals

Much easier to just make Defib only revive with 100 HP (buffs Light) and make the holograms destroyable or glitchable

[dire geode]

that would actually be sick, being able to stop a defib revive with a glitch grenade or something

[cyan hawk]

ik this channel doesnt allow adding pics but what is the weaper that shows a knife with a faded heart in the background as the method of killing? me and my teammates kept getting 1 shot by it and i didnt recognize it

[dire geode]

are you talking about the dagger?

[normal ice]

Yes, Dagger lol

[cyan hawk]

is that what it is? i think so it does kinda look like that

damn bruh we were getting spawn camped and one shotted

i didnt think it would one shot mediums lawdy

[normal ice]

Dagger does 320 damage on backstab

You gotta focus fire them or create distance with jumppads/zips

[cyan hawk]

aaahh ok i see, that makes sense, thank you so much!! ^.^

[normal ice]

No worries

[shadow onyx]

say it louder for the people in the back

[covert parcel]

🗣️

[shadow onyx]

🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

I've always wanted 5 player cashout because when I get on with 5 friends we get locked into the goofy ahh power wash and the goofy ahh terminal modes 🤮

[tacit canyon]

🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

[covert parcel]

exactly, a perfect opportunity for embark

[tacit canyon]

DAMNIT EMBARK IS THAT 3 BARRELS ON THAT SHOTGUN

[shadow onyx]

yeah fr it would make the game so much more fun for people who have more than 3 people

[shadow onyx]

I thought it was some benelli m4 at first 😭

[tacit canyon]

bro how 😭

[shadow onyx]

how is that even going to work. can you shoot all the barrels at once

[tacit canyon]

ok I can kinda see it with the front barrel now

[shadow onyx]

It has a hinge it looks like it will be break actiuon

[tacit canyon]

Good point, I hope that you can't, that shit is going to 100% one tap

however realistically yeah it looks like a 3 barrel break action shotgun for the medium. One thing I wonder is if it will be slugs, or buckshot. Or incendiary! ONE MORE THING, how will it balance against the SH1900

[shadow onyx]

It's probably gonna be like model 2.0 if it gets buckshot, or KSIthick of it-23 2.0 if it gets slugs

[covert parcel]

maybe even a hybrid

first two buckshot, third slug

[shadow onyx]

I'm in the thick of it aahhhhhhh

[covert parcel]

CASUAL PLAYER RETENTION IS LACKING
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[main ridge]

fcar goatd

what are yalls fav medium guns?

[unborn frigate]

prob akm, controvertially dual blades, some other that i sometimes use are the pike, riot shield, cl-40 and fcar

[limber gull]

32 vs 32 large scale tdm matches when ?

[warm merlin]

I don't think the Maps are built to handle chaos on that scale

[spark igloo]

4.8.0 tier list

[lofty kite]

turret low d tier

useful during anything but wt or ranked

[spark igloo]

the difference between F and D is that I cant make D tier useless by throwing a goo grenade

you can track a dash but you cant see full invis

not an issue I have

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAN647q9X_c prolly some invis stuff in this

[vernal wagon]

I have made a comprehensive graph for explosive weapons/gadget damage that contains the following:

• Max damage radius
• Outer damage radius
• Self-damage
• Some previous patches

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/o5i92f052a

[ashen hawk]

only pwrslide, and only on certain situations still

that shitty nerf took everything outta it, now it has like 5 sec cooldown b4 u can pull it out again plus i think 500 health??

[warm merlin]

naah it's still at 850/750

[ashen hawk]

Gatekeeper Shotgun 🔥

[normal ice]

it is literally not full invis. you can see cloaked players from all distances. it is unreliable. just use mobility for your specialization and vanish bomb if you want to crutch on your opponents sometimes having bad graphical settings...

[spark igloo]

if you stand still you are unseeable in 99% of scenarios

vanish bomb is eh

very loud and a long cooldown for how often cloak is used

still very good with dash and grapple but at that point just use cloak

[ashen hawk]

@mossy socket
i swear.
lewis and fcar got nered of lights as well, who were basically cod kiddies that had no idea how to use specs and gadgets efficiently, so they now started complaining about the guns.

they complained abt mesh, dome, so many stuff and now its nerfd

[spark igloo]

definitely wasnt just lights complaining

[ashen hawk]

ok light main

[spark igloo]

Im a flex player

[ashen hawk]

oh nice me too 💀

[spark igloo]

fcar locked medium out of any other weapon choice

there was literally no point in running anything else

[ashen hawk]

that didnt mean u had to nerf it below ground

[spark igloo]

I've played like 50% medium this season, 30% cloak v9, and 20% dagger

[spark igloo]

its well in line with the ak and most other weapons in the game

ak is like slightly better but not enough to warrant major changes

that tends to happen when you add a million rifles to one class

fcar could use an identity change but saying it's bad is just wrong

more low A tier imo

by at least 20 days yeah

[coral root]

Two no lifes on a team with famas's are nigh impossible to beat

[vale obsidian]

LMAO Famas is LITERALLY medium most balance gun

[coral root]

Cope

[vale obsidian]

im mad confuse cus what is there even to be mad about this gun

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/your-mother-great-argument-however-megamind-your-mom-yo-mama-gif-22994712

[icy forge]

Charge n' Slam gives you the potential to get a 3 man solo team wipe, like on the screen shot I'm about to send it's just objectively better than winch in every single way except for moving cashouts or helping with your aim skill issue on certain weapons, Charge n' Slam can be used with every weapon in the Heavy's arsenal, not the case for winch who's useless with machine guns, Akimbos and the MGL. Charge n' Slam deserves second or first place imo

[winter flint]

Bring back cl 40 prime, and give it only to console players., and then we will be equal to lights on PC, with swords

[grave zodiac]

cloaking in S and evasive dash in c? You must be one of those lights who cloaks the moment someone sees them then rages when you get shot anyway because I can still see you

[vale obsidian]

sound oddly pacific ngl

[restive plover]

😂😂

[winter flint]

❤️

[fleet brook]

Does pike have the sights problem

[tranquil rose]

All weapons have sight problems basically, visual recoil is an artificial nerf

[fleet brook]

It feels like it shoots where I was looking not where I am

[shell sonnet]

I wonder how different the game would feel if it always looked like you were in a hipfire

And ads just makes the usual slow+accuracy etc.

[tranquil rose]

Its because the dot of the scope is not accurate, your shots will follow the middle point of your the screen not where dot moves

[vale obsidian]

god i hate the crosshair in this game so much
i can rant about crosshair for an hour ngl lol

[mystic nimbus]

just use crosshair x

the visual recoil is still annoying tho

[vale obsidian]

is that the microsoft store one?

[mystic nimbus]

and u can find it on steam

i recommend buying it from steam

[vale obsidian]

tried it and it keep making me click off the screen (2 moniter)

[mystic nimbus]

i don't have 2 monitors so idk but there must be a fix, try ask google or youtube

[patent comet]

There he is right there

[icy forge]

Agreed

[vale obsidian]

i've tried 3 solution and all of them is dank af
one and two is a curser screen lock, it lock my mouse to only be on a 1 monitor (both is really annoying to use)
the 3rd is disabling my first monitor but it didn't work
so i stop trying to look for solution and keep using my tape crosshair lol

[timid sedge]

I need to type 40000 messages

[sand monolith]

No, the general ttk of the game was raised in order to fit a more team based gameplay style. People died too fast for teamplay to matter in s1 and early s2

[tidal hollow]

Being able to move the cashout is huge though

Winch+gravity cube gives you a ton of options for stealing and defending

[icy forge]

You can't double team wipe with Charge n' Slam

[icy forge]

Charge n' Slam is universal it's like comparing Akm and healing beam with Riot shield and Turret

[tidal hollow]

Winch always has a use case

Pair it with sledge and you got a strong offense too

[vale obsidian]

a bit too strong maybe

[covert parcel]

thoughts on a specialization / gear that switches your loadout to your reserve?

[vale obsidian]

waht?

[covert parcel]

have you played fighting games before

[vale obsidian]

i've neverr but is looking into it

[jade violet]

how about my suggestion in game feedback channel

[vale obsidian]

fuck nerfs

[covert parcel]

VARIANT A: SPEC
Spec: Switch-Up
Weapon: AKM
Gear: Frag, Jumppad, Defib
Reserve: M1887, Gas Mine, Zipline, Data Reshaper

Upon using spec, your loadout switches to your reserve & reserve to your current active hands mid fight. Ammo is proportionally carried over (no free reloads). Gear put on X% cooldown. Any active gear placed (mines, zip/jumps, frags thrown) are now deleted to prevevnt util spam
@vale obsidian

AKM, Frag, Jumppad, Defib > Hit spec button to switch loadout > Small animation > M1887, Gas Mine, Zipline, Data Reshaper

[vale obsidian]

i could see it works

[jade violet]

new players shouldnt have a T0 weapon

[covert parcel]

a what weapon

[vale obsidian]

but i feel like its a bit complicated
limit it to just swapping weapon imo

[vale obsidian]

what you mean by TO

[covert parcel]

probably better to suit light

or heavy idk

[vale obsidian]

just medium imo

[covert parcel]

maybe if it was a utility, could be a util for all 3

[vale obsidian]

light will never use it cus they lose their only survivability (dash/cloak)

[covert parcel]

you dont change spec, just weapon/3 item slots from reserve

you cant have spec in reserve so how swap to it

[vale obsidian]

yeah but the swap ability itself is a spec right?

[covert parcel]

yeah

ohhhh

maybe make it a utility

[vale obsidian]

its a bit powerful for a utill

[covert parcel]

but then youd have 2 util slots

[vale obsidian]

*4
you use all 2 utill then swap and use another 2

[covert parcel]

i meant at 1 time but yeah, if you switch you get it put on CD to prevent spam

cause holy fuck i played pugs for 1 game and i got nade spammed the fuck out of

[vale obsidian]

it can def work

[covert parcel]

A: Spec slot, weapon & util switch w/ reserve
B: Util slot, weapon & util switch w/ reserve (-1 reserve slot cause of how this item works)

[vale obsidian]

you just need to be more aware of the nades

[covert parcel]

tbh first time getting nade spammed since OB

ive never seen 6 fucking frags pelt you as you try to cross vegas sandstorm

[vale obsidian]

nade is not that good but just popular imo

[covert parcel]

yeah

[vale obsidian]

i def want this in the game

imma draw a concept of it and put it in #1075060148004991067 so the dev see

[covert parcel]

good luck

wait draw? how

[vale obsidian]

you know how you use an ipad to deploy zip, pads, turret, barricade, all that jazz?

[covert parcel]

ohhh

yeah i cant do that im not artisticly inclined like that, good luck

[ashen hawk]

real

[ashen hawk]

heres a pro tip for anyone experiencing someone complaining abt famas:

two words to type: skill. issue.

[vale obsidian]

i hate those word cus it add nothing to the convo

[ashen hawk]

i get it, but fcar was nerfed way too hard. thank god lewis got buffed up to a balanced state, but i think they should fix smthgn with the current fcar to get it a bit better and make it smwhat different from akm

[ashen hawk]

ik i hate them too but only when they arent making whining-for-no-reason players quiet

[sand monolith]

fcar and AKM could both use a small buff. lewis gun is still unbalanced (heavy shouldnt be dueling from range like that) and theres not a great way to give fcar its own niche when theres 4 rifles on medium now

[normal ice]

@sand monolith IMO AKM is in a perfect spot and FCAR should do 23 instead of 22 damage

[sand monolith]

AKM is just a worse famas and famas is already fine tbh

[vale obsidian]

^

[sand monolith]

although famas could use a small hipfire nerf. its kinda weird it has the best hipfire of the rifles but is also a long range rifle

same with how lewis has better hipfire than m60 despite being longer range. its a weird balancing decision

[normal ice]

I think nerfing FAMAS' hipfire would be okay, too

I agree FAMAS is the strongest of the 3 right now

Then they need to buff Pike :)

[ashen hawk]

i mean akm is alr rn ig, fcar def needs a buff, but tbh lewis is completely balanced. if they nerf it again its gonna go back like that and shits gonna start all over.
i mean heavy has the low range sledge, flamethrower, ks, sa1216, so it needs a far-firing lmg other than m60

[ashen hawk]

def. and give it some other feature to distinguish it from akm

[ashen hawk]

famas is legit the most balanced weapon in the med class.
literally no prob with it. nothing like too much damage like the m11, or too much recoil like the pike, or too unnoticed like m26 matter, shouldnt be touched imo

[sand monolith]

heavy is meant to be weak from range

[normal ice]

In my mind, FCAR should do more DPS and be longer ranged than AKM. But not disproportionately so

[sand monolith]

lewis is also just m60 with more range. its almost objectively a straight upgrade

[normal ice]

FAMAS being burst and having such manageable recoil makes it a menace at range. Not as bad as S1 FCAR but still hard to fight. It deserves to be weaker than AKM in closer ranges, even if it's just a matter of hipfire accuracy

[normal ice]

Yeah, only thing M60 has going for it is a different spray pattern and more ammo (but less DPS)

[ashen hawk]

then ONLY hipfire TINY nerf, nothing like a recoil nerf

[ashen hawk]

its also meant to be weak from speed???
"BuT guYS hEaVY hAS sO mUcH hEALtH!"
that doesnt matter. it shouldnt mean we turn the class into a brick wall that can damage players at a distance lower than data reshaper's distance. given that grapple was nerfed too

[sand monolith]

great argument with zero points made. heavy's longer ranged options should kill slower. currently, this isnt the case

[normal ice]

but Heavy can build and destroy cover reliably to force close-range engagements

[sand monolith]

yes

[normal ice]

not to mention cashouts by themselves force people to get close

[sand monolith]

you cant give heavy long range because it has the most hp. it will just always win duels from range because it's other weaknesses dont apply to long range fights

lewis doesnt need a huge nerf. but it definitely needs a nerf. deagles also need a range nerf and a hipfire buff

[normal ice]

yeah, Deagles can outsnipe M and even L lol

[covert parcel]

minigun

for heavy's weapon slot

but in line with lewis/m60

[vale obsidian]

i want it to be a spec

you can't reload but it'll reload itself 1 boolet per second

[covert parcel]

it becomes a backup weapon

completely fucks the TTK of the game

[sand monolith]

Minigun spec could work it should just be like old bastion

[covert parcel]

everyone sleeps on the cool primary weapon ideas

[sand monolith]

It would also work as a primary

[vale obsidian]

minigun shoot very fast ya know
that 100 boolet drain to 0 like 2 second top

[covert parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/daddy-yes-daddy-gif-7650811812151435994

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-tf2memes-tf2heavy-heavy-weapons-guy-meet-the-heavy-gif-24983567

[covert parcel]

literally yes

[vale obsidian]

it being a primarty is so boring
just another lewis reskin

[covert parcel]

spool + bloom that becomes more accurate as you mag dump

yes/no for headshots if it is too weak/strong respectively

[vale obsidian]

nah it shouldn't headshot

[vale obsidian]

if its too weak just buff it somewhere else

a minigun should not crit

[covert parcel]

why

[vale obsidian]

its a minigun, it will do so much DPS, adding headshot crit too it is just too much even if the crit is only 1.2x

[covert parcel]

just drop its DPS. its the finals. every gun is a pea shooter, youre thinking of CoD Juggernaut level TTK

[vale obsidian]

not even that

its the fact that it need to be redactable
it doing consistent damage will help with that

im thinking in term of like a heavy walking out of cover here

[fleet brook]

Besides the burst weapons

[normal ice]

Miniguns in games usually have a lot of spread, not laser accuracy. So headshots become even more about RNG than aim. This is why OW removed headshots from Bastion's sentry mode

[covert parcel]

oh

[normal ice]

Removing headshots and just increasing base damage helps normalize how much DPS you can expect to deal/take

[covert parcel]

ok that makes sense

[vale obsidian]

game balance is fun right? lol

so many moving pieces to keep track offs

[covert parcel]

i just want more cool ass primary weapons

[vale obsidian]

but it be so much cooler if its a spec tho

[covert parcel]

it would just mess w the flow of TTK

[vale obsidian]

imagine duel wielding 2 guns

[covert parcel]

dual auto pistol, dmg, or short barrel ARs

fuck it, dual pump shotguns

[vale obsidian]

thats just the weapon model

you're not hot swapping

[covert parcel]

what

[vale obsidian]

when you can only use one at a time it create risk vs reward on whats best for the moment
but 2 weapon you can use at the same time its littery just like any other weapon functionally

[kind plank]

Guys, last time I played was S2 where I reached Diamond in Ranked.

Can someone please give me an overview about the curren Meta for all 3 classes, involving Weapons and Gadgets?

Would be much appreciated, can‘t seem to find good enough videos or threads since the latest patches and tweaks.

[vale obsidian]

MMM all model, defib, a movement, the usual usual

[kind plank]

I heared Glitch Traps are picked more often than other Mines currently? How would the Pike, AKM, FCAR and Famas rank?

[vale obsidian]

also meta is to go for plugs, it give you +50 over health on plug and 200 cash per kill

[vale obsidian]

every gun is tied or frist place
akm left in the dust

[kind plank]

sorry but what is a plug? hhaha

[vale obsidian]

putting the cash box in the cashout
plug

[kind plank]

oh wow, thought AKM is the most superior AR right now, maybe alongside the Pike

Light Meta is SH1900? How do M11, XP-54, LH1 and VS9 rank

[vale obsidian]

i ddon't play light sooooooo

but heavy is still the usual usual charge, quad shotty, rpg, doom, barricade

[kind plank]

yea felt like a liability, back in S2 I could atleast always pick 1-2 guys with the XP54 but now it feels even more like a glass vase class

[vale obsidian]

yeah everything got nerfs more

that xp gun range was one of the nerf

[kind plank]

never understood the Light nerfs, feels like a horrible class. MMM meta sounds awful, cant imagine that this is what the Devs want from their game

[vale obsidian]

it bc the little timmy is crying in #👂┇game-feedback

that why everything that ever kill them got nerfs

[mossy socket]

Bring back nukes. Just because 1% of your player base cries doesn't mean you remove it for all of us. Like wtf.

[kind plank]

😂

[vale obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1283577872681930904/1283579039495229600/SNUKE_RISE.gif

[kind plank]

YES

[restive plover]

It was not one percent, it was the overwhelming majority of people.

[spark igloo]

little more than 1%

[restive plover]

The sluggish response to nukes was a major reason for so many people leaving just in season one.

[mossy socket]

Cap bro. You know they pandered to the whiney 1%. Everybody loved it. It was the sweaty 1% that didn't like getting wrecked while sweating. Mostly lights.

[spark igloo]

usually games are intended to be played with your primary. If you can use only your gadgets to win a game then you have an issue.

Mediums were also the most affected by nukes, they were much worse but lights still had breach charge nukes

Nukes had no reliable counterplay and pretty much came down to whether or not the nuker would miss or not

[mossy socket]

They had a million other options than taking away nukes which were arguably the most fun part of the beta and Season 1. Now we can't even get into a tournament without lagging.

[spark igloo]

dying every time you were in LOS of a heavy if you didnt have your own nuke was not fun for 95% of the playerbase

they were fun casually for about a month but it got boring getting 1 tapped for your 8th death in row

[timber idol]

as disappointing as it may be for some players, i think the removal of the nukes cant really be reversed or else lots of the playerbase would become upset, in the s4 trailer there was a nuke seen which many people disliked and complained about

[mossy socket]

They could've given medium or light some type of shield. They could've added ways to deter nukes or defend against them but they instead removed it all together even though they were a big part of the game. And 95% of the player base was not complaining about it. Maybe like 3% and of those 3% were sweaty players trying to play this game like it was COD. It's just those 3% were the most vocal, and the other 97% were having fun with the game.

[spark igloo]

I mean theyre still in the game

[mossy socket]

Yeah now they are useless.

[spark igloo]

now theyre a funny interaction instead of a guaranteed 1-2 kill fight opener

[mossy socket]

Oh it can definitely be reversed. It may actually attract more players since a lot left after season 2 started. They should've stuck to their guns and made the game that they wanted. The pandering to crybabies needs to stop.

[spark igloo]

pretty much every casual or competitive player I know that took a break or stopped playing in S1 cited nukes and heavy's kit as the reason. it was by no means a vocal minority

[timber idol]

yeah maybe youre right, i just feel as though the devs are under so much pressure from all the toxic people complaining about every single small problen

[mossy socket]

I get that for sure. The pressure it up for them. This game has the chance to really break out with success like COD, Fortnite or apex. But if they keep trying to pander to everyone's needs then it'll push away a lot of the player base. Most people loved this game because it didn't require a bunch of sweating to be good. But now it does and people are trying to get away from it. The nukes need a revival.

[timber idol]

yeah i actually feel so bad for them, the finals has been such a new and refreshing experience for me in terms of shooters and it sucks to see so much of the community be toxic and complain without explicitly helping or telling them how to improve

[sand monolith]

Balancing the game around counterpicks and AOE 1 taps is a bad idea and poor design.

Nukes fundamentally do not fit the gameplay of this game. Having an instant kill option like that breaks the balance of everything regardless of the risk.

Ttk in this game is meant to be high for a reason

Nukes were EXTREMELY hated even though they were fun to use. It’s something that was fun while it was here but thankfully has been removed

It’ll always be fun to go on a rampage with op shit. That doesn’t mean it’s good for the game

[normal ice]

@sand monolith Btw sorry I wanna add another point for you to consider

Don't you agree that Defib actually helps enable solo pushing? Because even if they die recklessly, you can revive them on the spot?

[sand monolith]

No, your body will be camped by any semi-decent team if you run into them solo and die

[normal ice]

But that's true regardless of whether or not you have Defib. That doesn't mean Defib isn't the most likely option to allow you to revive them anyway despite the camping

[sand monolith]

its much more powerful for denying solo pushes than it is for reviving a teammate that died solo pushing

[normal ice]

That's true, but isn't that true of just regular reviving without Defib, too? If they solo pushed into you, you have time to take your teammates' statue around a corner 2m away and revive. But there's almost no way in Hell to sit there and regularly revive a teammate who solo pushed into an enemy team

Plus, then, you don't have to heal them after Defib. This is why I only use it in an emergency

[hot reef]

How do you actually play sword? I’ve been struggling trying to figure it out. Idk if my brain works the right way.

[glacial socket]

Add in recon sense and that about covers it, yeah.

[normal ice]

Watch pullkia on YouTube. He has guides. Just keep in mind all the bugs like emote cancelling have been fixed, so no weird extra little combos for you to abuse

[hot reef]

Both of those are incredibly useful thanks

[normal ice]

np lol

[sand monolith]

Yes almost any sort of team sustain tool punishes solo pushing

[normal ice]

Of course, but just be wary that depending on the nature of the tool, they can help enable solo pushing, too

[sand monolith]

you arent solo pushing if your teammate is using gadgets on you

[normal ice]

Yes, I mean picking up after their solo push. Such as a revive, teleport, etc. Good example is TF2's teleporter. You can hide one in the backline during one solo push, and it enables you and your teammates to continuously solo push one at a time much more quickly and effectively

[sand monolith]

thats still teamplay, which is the end goal

[normal ice]

Aye -- and solo pushing is about setup to enable better team pushes, even in Finals. Getting picks off, gathering info, destroying traps, or even simply distracting the enemy

It's got its place

[sand monolith]

i mean thats not solo pushing thats recon and generally doesnt involve pushing and dying

[normal ice]

I guess it depends on whether you consider every solo push to be lethal. I figured you meant a solo encounter with one or more enemies -- which isn't always lethal

[spring oasis]

defending the existence of nukes is insane

[normal ice]

I agree nukes were overkilled. They should have left it at the damage nerfs and maybe gadget-disabling nerfs. Making them also have unpredictable trajectories with the momentum and gravity nerfs was too much

They nerfed C4 with it, too

[sacred scroll]

Anyone know what exactly the detention range of the explosive mines? Does it activate further on floors vs if placed on walls

[dire geode]

I don't think so, I think the range for a mine is a constant 0.75 metres

[covert parcel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1183069658086117447/1309667239842152508/image.png?ex=674312ea&is=6741c16a&hm=078d83db3be00c4e655f259c9c255e323e4d67ed04e0dc94ad046417bb773242&
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[indigo cairn]

shield

[dreamy hedge]

where's the ospuze consumable that heals the light for 75 health and boosts speed by 30% for 7 seconds?

[gleaming loom]

hello

[west jungle]

Medium NEEDS an M4 Carbine Rifle! 🦅🇺🇸

[wicked bough]

What am I doing wrong here? I swear I have no idea how to use the KS-23

[shut bane]

Moving at all makes it innacurate but you got real unlucky there with it lol

[rancid horizon]

can we pretty please revert dagger charge r2 i miss my baby

i will do absolutely anything to get my beautiful baby returned to her formal glory

[plush wyvern]

[ashen hawk]

Kyoto would like to have a word with you.

[jade violet]

HK 416 might will be better

[ocean finch]

I have a gadget idea

For the heavy if the heavy is getting attacked up close he has a gadget that pushes them back a good distance like the air blaster for the pyro in tf2

[normal ice]

eh, that's an outlier

[ocean finch]

Good way to keep those lights of u

[radiant berry]

Guys is dual blades bugged for everybody or just me, I’m not talking about the janky block mechanic, just whenever I pull out my dual blades it instantly does the cross attack and breaks the inspect, it’s done this since the weapons release and I can’t fix it pls help game unplayable

[crude leaf]

A bug that still needs to be resolved

[languid crag]

zip 22 as a gadget for medium that does 25 damage

[radiant berry]

Bruh

[plucky spade]

To yourself?

[patent comet]

Give all the classes secondary weapons that are optional

[plucky spade]

Zip 22, 99% chance to misfire and bring you to 1hp, 0.5% chance to kill whoever you shot and 0.5% chance to grant you 10k in WT/Ranked

[plucky spade]

As one of the gadgets?
I mean V9S, Revolver and the melees would otherwise count as secondaries but all are primaries

[patent comet]

yesss

[plucky spade]

I don't think it works in the finals

[patent comet]

2 gun or 3 gadget

[plucky spade]

It's built around not being able to shoot your gun

[patent comet]

this is true

[plucky spade]

Not sure what would happen with secondaries though
I'm thinking that since the game is too interpersonal ( 3v3v3v3 ) and not battlefield-esque , they wanted gunplay to feel more precise

[vale obsidian]

i would love a spec that is just another slot for a weapon

[coral root]

Yeah secondary weapons would ruin this game

[surreal zodiac]

Hello Embawk could we pwease have dagger animation set or like a cool dagger skin that is maybe like a butterfly knife or a karambit??? 🥺

I already gave you so much moni pls 🙏

[coral root]

What if the 93R was dual weild

[vale obsidian]

what if we have a gatgid that let use duel wield weapon 👀

[surreal zodiac]

sledge dual wield

🤨

[patent comet]

YES

[surreal zodiac]

why are you bottomless put some pants on

[vale obsidian]

waht? 😳

[patent comet]

[lapis iron]

what is the best weapon in the finals curranty?

[vale obsidian]

any burst weapon is great

esp shotgun

[lapis iron]

WRONG

[lapis iron]

Ayo, blud, the AK-47 is the whopper of guns, fam. We’re talking about the GigaChad of weapons, rizzing up empires and leaving chaos in its wake. This thing’s built for pure turbulence. Throw it in a backroom or upside down on a plane, and it still fires like it’s morbin’ through time. It’s not just a weapon; it’s a whole way of life.

Created by Mikhail Kalashnikov in 1947? Nah, it’s made by the gods to unleash total chaos. The 7.62mm round? That’s not a bullet, it’s a missile, a glitch that makes everything go bussin’. You’re out here looking like Andrew Tate, rizzing up the entire planet. The final boss? Nah, it’s the AK-47, GOATED with the sauce. It’s like grinding in Fortnite while rizzing the whole squad in GTA 6.

Hold the AK and you’re dropped into the matrix, just vibing through glitches like a walking black hole. No sussy imposter can touch you. It’s you and the AK, rizzing to legendary status like Kai Cenat. Each shot is like leveling up in a game with no rules.

The AK-47’s been everywhere. It’s in movies, games, like the Keanu Reeves of guns. No strategy needed, just hold the AK and let it rizz through history. From the Cold War to today, it’s revolutionizing every battle, one final boss fight at a time. This ain’t a weapon, it’s an experience. You don’t just use the AK, you become it. You’re not human anymore, you’re the glitch, the biggest bird, rizzing up victories like a shadow wizard. So next time you hold the AK, know you're about to change history with the ultimate weapon.

[vale obsidian]

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[vale obsidian]

why you even ask

[surreal zodiac]

wrong

probably famas fcar

[languid crag]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-punch-markiplier-punch-attack-fight-gif-23206537

[plucky spade]

I think you did not like it

[languid crag]

i just think the zip 22 is a funny weapon

[plucky spade]

Yes that's why it gets the funny

[plain wasp]

You can't nullify downsides of weapons because that would make it not fun to play against

Like imagine pushing a sniper only for him to pull out a pistol and kill you

Not to mention it would make sword actually overpowered

140 instant damage and you don't even have the downside of range anymore

[sand monolith]

Secondaries would ruin the game

Like immediately

[fleet brook]

You can choose to have a mediocre secondary at the cost of 2 gadget places

[lapis citrus]

i think light is kinda useless now, i used to main sword but with game changes since s2 it's become less and less viable and i basically never play light anymore

i think it scales badly with skill levels tbh

its super good in low level lobbies but its super easy to counter if you know what you're doing

it needs some spice to raise the skill ceiling

could benefit from a rework imo

[vale obsidian]

idk why it would tho
the only thing it do is increasing up time and remove punish window of reloading

[sand monolith]

It would completely remove the commitment from primary weapons

Everyone would just run a good cqc and good long range weapon

And would have no counterplay

You couldn’t balance weapons anymore because their downsides wouldn’t be relevant when you can equip another weapon that covers all of them

[covert parcel]

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[tough glade]

NO

[vale obsidian]

YES

[covert parcel]

its more so of team play, the more options we give to 1 dude the less reliance on the teammates there will be

if embark wants team play, make new weapon ideas only to the weapon slots
if embark doesnt want team play, allow players to equip multiple guns

if you add mulitple guns in a single dude it becomes a snowball effect because noone will slow down to reload

[ashen hawk]

ofcourse

just spreading the word

[covert parcel]

time out idea

[mossy socket]

Where are the nukes at??? Make C4 Great Again!

[covert parcel]

@sand monolith switch up util item or spec item

Basically, hitting the button switches your current loadout to your reserve. Ammo proportionally carried over, abilities on X% CD to prevent spam, (pads broken, frags deleted, etc)
VerA: Spec, weapon+3 util switches to reserve
VerB: Util, weapon+2 util switches to reserve

thoughts?

[sand monolith]

Would heavily limit gadget design and would kinda be impossible to balance and would also lead to counterswaps

But it is cool and does sound fun to use. Might be best on light since specs are so important to survival. The trade off would be huge

[covert parcel]

spec or util version

[sand monolith]

A spec that swaps your loadout to what’s in your reserve

[covert parcel]

on light tho that means u have no evasion

[sand monolith]

Yeah

I think that’s the only class where the trade off is big enough for it to be balanced

It would require a much more laid back team util focused playstyle

[vale obsidian]

You really love this idea lol

[covert parcel]

YES

name 1 team based fps where you can be a stancer

[jade violet]

guys sledgehammer 4.3 changes is buff or nerf?

cant understand this changes

but whatever

[shy mauve]

.

[shut bane]

Sledge got buffed but hit registration got adjusted at one point I’m pretty sure

[jade violet]

sledge is awesome,its a good weapon for pro players

[mystic nimbus]

hard nerf, the alt fire have the range of a kitchen knife now

and the swing got more width which wasn't needed and no one asked for

[fleet brook]

Melee with winch is fun without is eh

You can pop off ridiculously in enclosed spaces but outside of that during chase down it sucks

Or when people aren't paying attention to you

[jade violet]

yup,im playing with winch,rpg,dome and motion sensor

motion senor its a good thing for me

it can help me hunt better

[ashen hawk]

Charge n Slam would like to have a word with you.

[ashen hawk]

defo a nerf. its overhead swing now has kiss distance hit reg

[fleet brook]

Charge and slam has failed me more times than I can count it's good destruction and damage but for movement and gap closing against anything other than medium it's eh

[tall totem]

WHY IS THE WORLD TOUR STARTED SOLO? I LOST 1081 POINTS PLEASE HELP YOU UNDERSTAND THIS SITUATION

[amber cloak]

uh you sure you werent playing ranked?

In wt you cant lose points lol

[tawny nova]

I see people run melee with goo as well

[drowsy pasture]

That makes sense

[fleet brook]

Goo gun soft stops people but it makes you very vulnerable and is semi unreliable

[tawny nova]

True

[drowsy pasture]

I think goo gun is better for melee than claw

[tawny nova]

Like yeah, winch and CnS are probably the most effective to pair with melee

But goo is functional for a melee build

[analog crescent]

The heavy shield, but as one spot gets repeatedly shot it weakens til it eventually punctures and one can hit through that puncture hole. It doesn't lose health directly from getting shot but instead from regenerating those weakened areas. The regeneration process has to be manually activated and cannot be activated while actively taking damage

[drowsy pasture]

CnS is just good for killing but it doesn't do anything for melee while winch does bring the enemy closer so it is good but with goo gun you can slow the enemy down which closes the gap and you can also block areas off so you can make areas better for melee. I think that's why goo gun is better

This is just for melee btw

[main ridge]

frag is nutty

[gleaming loom]

hello

[stray night]

Revert xp-54 dmg gut, reduce its range to compensate

[rancid horizon]

revert dagger backstab change i miss my baby

[rancid horizon]

counter point give it one out of the 2 damnadge it lost and buff the range by a few meters

[chilly solstice]

Yea it’s like unusable now

[rancid horizon]

fr it makes me so sad

[stray night]

no, because then people will always just complain about the thing that has the next highest dps on light. We need to stop the decrease in ttk. Now after XP nerf everyone wants a nerf to M11 which everyone was completely chill with before XP nerf. There are many other guns that need slight buffs such as Lewis, M60 and Fcar but none as desperate as XP

[main ridge]

what are the best gadgets to use with medium build?

[stray night]

Defib and Pad and pretty much mandatory in ranked, as your third you can either run Zip, Frag, aps, or mines if you cant aim

[rancid horizon]

@stray night I agree

[mellow ridge]

Defib needs to take up two gadget slots, i think it would open up more team comps and make triple M weaker

[cunning mango]

does anyone have the stats for dual blades

like whats the damage reduction on the block and does the reflection cause the redirected bullets to have damage reduction

[vernal wagon]

count your days light mains 😡

(3d-printed cl-40)

[languid crag]

now print ammo

and a trigger

[vernal wagon]

yeah I'm working on the trigger

[languid crag]

https://tenor.com/view/piss-role-patrick-slapping-spongebob-meme-gif-27172407

[mellow ridge]

its a great idea, game changing gadgets should come with a drawback, triple medium zombie play is so nonsense. it would open the gadget up to buffs too, takes two slots, but res faster and more hp, lots of values to adjust if not those. it would hurt the double movement meta and force a medium on the team to not play support but either demat or turret.

[sand monolith]

It would still be a must pick

[mellow ridge]

then its a great nerf