💣┇weapons-gadgets

[hallow leaf]

Dual blades really just need the combo buffed and the ability to sprint while blocking that's it

[icy sparrow]

Op

[hallow leaf]

And they would be usable

[icy sparrow]

By being unfair

[icy sparrow]

Read this #💣┇weapons-gadgets message

[hallow leaf]

They are unfair currently for anyone that uses them

[hallow leaf]

I don't give a shit about your stupid claymore idea when you want to give dual blades to the light babies

[sand monolith]

@lyric zealot Rob said he doesn’t care if people use external crosshairs anymore

[icy sparrow]

Keep duel blades and a claymore then

[turbid tendon]

yah, if we can sprint while blocking . that’s so cool

[sand monolith]

But just to be cautious that it may flag the anticheat due to overlaps

[lyric zealot]

ok good, the crosshair shake in this game is ridiculous and uncompetitive

[icy sparrow]

Medium need claymore

[sand monolith]

Real

[icy sparrow]

#👂┇game-feedback message u agree?

[spiral pilot]

What you guys think Deagle should be ranked?

[hallow leaf]

If they get one without taking away dual blades that's fine, but dual blades still need a damage buff on the last attack and some sort of speed increase whether that is magnetism or sprint while blocking

Give it destruction as well

[icy sparrow]

I guess if u hit a wall enough times

[icy sparrow]

U gonna ask for claymore in suggestion or what?

@hollow salmon what sword bug?

[vale obsidian]

maybe he's talking about phatom strike
search it up, i can't be bother to explain all of it

[icy sparrow]

@vale obsidian u call yourself spear head but no talk about spear rework

[icy sparrow]

That’s super rare to do

[vale obsidian]

what dose the have to do with what i play with lol
i just use this name cus i thought its cool and thats it really

[icy sparrow]

@normal condor why aren’t u commenting?

[icy sparrow]

Joking

[vale obsidian]

you really love to ping random people 🫠

[icy sparrow]

He supposed to be commenting on dagger but he doesn’t help out

[vale obsidian]

yeah what ever
i won't drag that out

[vale obsidian]

i find people using it in my lobby all the time

i know cus their sword sometime drop when charging right click

[hollow salmon]

where it distorts the players model while using lunge on sword making it impossible to shoot them

[vale obsidian]

woe this is new
is there a name for it?

where did you find it

[icy sparrow]

It’s called super dash the most high speed u can go if u dash as soon as u lunge

More distance too

[hollow salmon]

so they intended to make it impossible to see someone dashing

[icy sparrow]

@normal condor how about we do this comment and remind each other till the most recent patch,don’t see u there

[vale obsidian]

i don't think thats what we're talking about

it look like another something something

[icy sparrow]

Nah it’s what he thinks

[vale obsidian]

@hollow salmon is it tho?

[icy sparrow]

U seen it?

[hollow salmon]

no

[vale obsidian]

can you send me a link of a video you saw this or like a clip of you doing it?

i love seeing new exploit

[obsidian spindle]

Visual thang where the model stretches outta nowhere?

[bronze spade]

glory to the cl40

one a day keeps the scrubs with the tk away

[vague breach]

yeah it makes them massive for 1 frame and then they teleport into you

idk how embark manages to do this

[vale obsidian]

i didn't say i use them lol

im just excited with what people will come up ever seens i see barricade dash thingy in season 1 and the goo plain in season 3

[plain wasp]

I have a silly exploit that is mildly entertaining and can be used to deal damage but also is much less effective than just shooting

I mean I guess it can hurt people a little bit through walls but it's silly and I don't want it patched

[vale obsidian]

closest thing i know to it is flame thrower shoot throw walls and ciling

[plain wasp]

It's the most useful with fire but you can also use other things

Floaty Pyro mine

[supple oracle]

What are some throwables/gadgets to use with invis dagger

Tried the flashbang but still has inconsistency on telling the user if they flashed the enemy

[plain wasp]

Gateway

Goo is always good

[vale obsidian]

frag nade make people move in a perdictable way (away form the frag)
but i never got good with the dagger so idk if its that useful or not

[potent pilot]

Best dagger loadout (at least with dash) is breech/vanish bomb, gateway and goo

[sand monolith]

#👂┇game-feedback message

@proxie.exe#0000 bro they haven’t even hit their first scheduled update

[shut bane]

It’s always the new players that feel a necessary urge to join a discord only to throw a tantrum sesh lol

Bless every new player who doesn’t engage with social media to vent

[sand monolith]

I yell at new players in game feedback am I helping

[shut bane]

💀

Lmao

[brisk shore]

So sad that they nerfed Lewis gun and mines. It was most fun when you got a mine kill 🙂

[next mountain]

Yes

[brisk shore]

I just yel at them when my mic is muted 😄

[crisp heart]

I did a funny thing with sword and it kinda worked.

[brisk shore]

Wish i could use dash attack with sword. I just swing and swung around in panic 😄

[sand monolith]

Lewis gun got buffed in the most recent patch and it’s really good

[brisk shore]

Okay 😄 I thought it felt like normal again but I was thinking I was just hitting shots really well at that game 😄

[crisp heart]

You know how you raise your hand when charging lunge? I used it to fake capture cash box and enemy light stunned me instead of my teammate. This happened 3 times now

[brisk shore]

nice 🙂

[crisp heart]

Just funny sword things

[torn mantle]

Would it be an effective strat with the cl to carry explosive mines and the data reshaper and just make some fire barrels, mine them, and throw thwm along with a grenade on the enemy to nuke em?

[brisk shore]

I used to run my heavy with FT+pyro mine + pyro grenade 🙂

But it was only when I was trying to get the achievement 🙂

[rapid jasper]

real

nooooo flamethrower too busted

[brisk shore]

Just played a round with Lewis gun. It is a bit better now but not the same as it was in S1-S2.

[vestal fog]

true

[soft shale]

It did 25 damage per hit at the time. The same amount as S1/S2 FCAR with more than twice the ammo. It was clearly broken lol.

[brisk shore]

Yes it was for sure at close, but now IMO the heavy has only one viable weapon and that is Flamethrower and it is a CQC weapon. Lewis is not a good distance weapon at the moment, So heavy does not have any weapons that could be used medium to far combat.
But it is what it is 🙂 At the end of the day it is only a game 🙂

[soft shale]

Heavy is not meant to fight from a distance, all of its weapons are CQC focused

[brisk shore]

Yeah I know that too but it would be nice to have at least one ld weapon 🙂

[hazy spoke]

@icy sparrow could you add in your dagger message that they remove that running penalty. trust me you have zero chance against good players without running. and you have no chance kn general without using all 3 dashes in one commit

[hazy spoke]

yessir

[jade violet]

could they block the chinese player?

[hazy spoke]

i like taser more than gateway but its less competitive in the first two rounds of a tournament

[jade violet]

so many chinese are there(ranked matches)

they must do something

[boreal laurel]

Deagles and M60 would like to have a word with you

And believe me, you can snipe with M60 thanks to the recoil buff and optic

[soft shale]

The M60 doesn't do much damage at range unless you hit HS. It requires you to stay on target for long which is only good from a distance if said target is and stays in the open. But that doesn't make the weapon bad by any mean. It's in a better shape that is was for sure.

It has always been my favorite Heavy weapon for the rare moments when in the midst of chaos your 70 rounds of ammo allow you to cut through multiple enemy players.

[fleet brook]

Tbf it feels like the game is becoming mid range focused

[fleet brook]

Max you can kill (if you hit every single bullet and don't waste one) is 2 meds without reloading

3 ish lights

1.5 heavies

[soft shale]

Unless your opponents are not full HP

[brisk shore]

I dunno.. I just shredded with Lewis from midrange 😄 It was working totally differently than the last game 😄

[vestal fog]

feels great this season

[jade violet]

does someone know how to use goo

[spiral pilot]

throw it to create a wall

[jade violet]

I mean goo gun

[spiral pilot]

shoot it to create balls

[jade violet]

what Minecraft game

[spiral pilot]

its very selfexplaining

[jade violet]

btw,KS is still playable in S4?

maybe?

[boreal laurel]

You can use it but Deagles exist

[jade violet]

i doesnt want use LMG

Im try to use ks for close range

C'N Slam,KS,RPG

i like ks

I think its best weapon for close range

[rapid snow]

can we get a hint at emerald weapons this season?

(pretty please)

[jade violet]

btw will they nerf Model1887 XD

[soft shale]

Never used pyromines until late S3 when I tried experimenting with FT gameplay. It's actually such a good area denial tool. You can also use it to trap enemy statues to great effect. And it hasn't been touched by the mine nerf probably because it didn't see much use before.

I'm still trying to find a Heavy build I like. Good old M60/frag/RPG/barricades still works. But I'm experimenting with the Deagles.

The detection beacons (I forgot their name) isn't bad if you throw them at the right spots. Enemies don't always take the time to destroy them especially in fights.

[crystal garnet]

The Pike def could use a small nerf. 2 good mediums with Pikes can be very oppressive and hard to deal with. Either nerf the pike, or rebuff the heal beam / mesh / dome shield to compensate.

[soft shale]

My biggest frustration is the mesh shield nerf... I used to dislike the spec but got used to it over S2/S3. It was just so good with the FT. I feel like I'd rather have mesh with the Deagles too. Charge & Slam can be fun but really feels like a cheap 'I win' button sometimes. And can feel quite random as well.

[grizzled plover]

I feel 8 secs cd was over kill for mesh nerf

[crisp heart]

It's certainly weird that a dmr has a good hipfire accuracy.

[grizzled plover]

I don't think I'd mind charge and slam as much if the heavy would scream consistently when using it lately he just charges silently for me at least

[soft shale]

Also I think ammo count for Heavy C4 should be increased from 1 to 2 again. Last time I consistently used it was during S1 (so back when there were fewer ways to blow up walls, floors and ceilings). I tried using it again to replace the RPG but there's just no point with just 1 charge + long cooldown.

[restive plover]

It really doesn't.

[grizzled plover]

C4 can be nice if you place it on station and blow up while they steal but yeah I wouldn't mind if it got second charge now that nukes are gone

[restive plover]

It's not revolver levels of bad, but it's close.

[crisp heart]

I mean, it's the thing people I see complain about the most. But, the next patch will tell what embark thinks of the new weapons + everything else

[soft shale]

Yeah, and you can also set up deadly traps underneath cashouts (C4 on ceiling + mines on the floor). But having only 1 with such a long cooldown really makes it a worse pick compared to other gadgets.

[crystal garnet]

A cooldown is 100% needed to prevent the up and down spam of it, but yeah 8 sec too long. maybe 3 seconds

[grizzled plover]

Agreed

[soft shale]

2 seconds would be more than enough IMO.

I don't even really see the issue with up and down spam to be honest. It's not as if the shield regenerated its HP each time it was raised. It could be oppressive with SA/FT, but it required some skill. Randomly spamming the shield wouldn't work. You had to watch what your opponents were doing, wait for reloads to fire back.

I can live with less HP or a narrower field, but any length of cooldown will just make it clunky to use.

[south hemlock]

cl40 nerf when? everybody is using them and its a explosive mess

[crisp heart]

Exactly, casual just for fun players doesn't know how to deal with them, competitive anti-grass touchers can easily counter them. They explained it in the patch notes

[crystal garnet]

Rebuff the APS instead now that Reshaper is very viable

[shell sonnet]

Maybe lower the projectile speed?
Casuals might not be able to predict shots as well, allowing you to avoid hits more easily

Which also happens to benefit light more which is the class that needs it most

[crisp heart]

Lower AoE damage radius and AoE damage. Focus more on rewarding direct hits, and punishing close-ranged attacks and not having good aim.

If people complain about them not landing a hit, then thats skill issue

[shell sonnet]

If it focuses on direct hits then its just a model 1887 with less shots, lower damage and a projectile instead of hitscan

[restive plover]

You already need to land directs to actually win fights.

[shell sonnet]

Yeah

[crisp heart]

And they have good AoE damage, so they win even more fights

Thus the entire community complaining about it

[restive plover]

Just because a lot of people complain doesn't mean there's actually a problem. Tons of people cry about sword, for example.

[crisp heart]

Sure, if the model is ment to be used mid to long range projectile since close range will kill themselves

[restive plover]

It will mellow out in a few days I'm sure.

[shell sonnet]

I think we got something mixed up there

Not sure what you mean

[crisp heart]

After the nerf, for sure it will mellow down

[restive plover]

No nerf is needed.

[crisp heart]

Then it won't mellow down.

[shell sonnet]

With how long they kept tk's the way they were, i think cl-40 getting the odd week or so more to equalize (especially after a new season) is fine

[shell sonnet]

How come?
Why are you so sure that it wont?

[crisp heart]

Because they didn't nerf it

[shell sonnet]

Thats assuming it needs one to begin with, which is your opinion
There are plenty of other people that think it doesnt need one

Stalemate

[crystal garnet]

Issue with weapons is more-so triple stack being an issue and not the weapon itself. Triple stack CL40 can be very oppresive, but so can triple Pike, triple 1887, triple sword, etc

[shell sonnet]

No less on medium, which can remove all accidental self damage with heal beam

[crystal garnet]

People have no idea how to actually counter as well. I think not being able to swap weapons / gadgets / specials mid round can make this harder. Hence, I believe a player should be able to spend one of their coins to a 1 time gadget swap, and 2 coins for a spec swap.

[crisp heart]

Which is why they need to adjust cl for it. Since multiple stacks of the CL is more oppressive then a 3 XP Lights or a 3 Sledge Heavy

[crystal garnet]

Not necessarily true. triple XP light can be very oppresive in the right hands, as can the sledge, but less so due to lack of healing

Best way to counter CL40 is playing in open, range, and using jump pads for height. Its not hard to counter em.

[crisp heart]

But triple CL in any hands can still be opressive in a CASUAL lobby

A bandaid solution, just nerf it

[shell sonnet]

Then we go back to the free win territory, not fun
Also only helps mediums and only those that actually run aps, sasting a slot

Im on ghe fence if it needs a nerf or not
But this aint it

[crisp heart]

Go tell that to the casual players entering matches with randos

[shell sonnet]

Then we get the 100% accuracy thing the devs mentioned again

Not ideal

[crisp heart]

The only thing the CL buff is good for is making people join discord to complain

[nova flicker]

i need 4 mines

[shell sonnet]

Dunno, it made using it pretty fun

[crystal garnet]

Here's the thing - a single CL40 player isn't an issue. a 3 stack isn't an issue either unless its good players.
A single pike in the hands of an even average player can be very oppressive. The CL-40 is very fine where its at now. Casual players should go back to cod if they cannot fathom adjusting their playstyle to counter play.

[shell sonnet]

And kinda
Since its pretty good at dealing with healbeams it actually insentivised people to use other stuff like turret or demat, which then makes stzff like data reshaper better

It shakes things up

People still need to get used to the changes though
Give it some time

[modest pulsar]

if you jump over CL40 shots it does like 20 damage

[vale obsidian]

they don't even know that jumpping make them take less damage form cl40

[crystal garnet]

Hell use a jump pad and watch as they miss all their mid-air shots

[shell sonnet]

If it doesnt just miss outright if they go for directs

[modest pulsar]

yeah lmao

[shell sonnet]

Or just goo nade

[modest pulsar]

grapple my beloved <3

[vale obsidian]

i thought they would just give cl40 bonus damage on direct not genaral damage buff

[crystal garnet]

Up APS to 5 shots and you've got a solid coutner too, but again the jump pad is already enough of a counter.

[vale obsidian]

(me with a deta reshaper)

[shell sonnet]

Then it would likely need to deal more damage then model

It already has less shots, is a projectile instead of hitscan and can deal self damage

[vale obsidian]

just nerf the modle and we'll be fine dude

[crystal garnet]

Reshaper is 100% slept on.

[shell sonnet]

Aps with 5 shots just cheeses fights again

Current aps is a decent advanatge but not a straight win

Id like to not go back to that

And again, only aps mediums get that advantage, not lights or heavies

[crystal garnet]

re + shape + her

[vale obsidian]

i always have it in my reserve but never use it cus no body smart enough to use utility

[shell sonnet]

Same thing
Just use that 1 item at all times

What if i wanna run something else?
Just suffer?

Not fun
Not for the aps medium or the reshaper medium

Both waste a slot and have less fun than they could have

Because theyre both busy trying to screw eachother over

[warped fiber]

is explosive mine worth using any more

[vale obsidian]

bro what you mean? yes

120 damage is nothing close to useless

[warped fiber]

no i cant pair with gas mine cuz theres only one

[vale obsidian]

dude that just mean you can only do one trap combo at a time which is plenty enough

[crystal garnet]

You have to have multiple gadgets in reserve so you can swap and make adjustments.

[shell sonnet]

Its recharge is like 15 seconds

Just put one down, take some time to destriy ziplines and use barrels to fortify, then place the 2nd one

[vale obsidian]

it get me mad every time i see someone saying "Oh this ____ is useless now cus it got nerf" even tho it only make it on pair with other gatgit like bro

[shell sonnet]

After a death

If they suddenly pick that thing for the last cashout (which you cant know in advance) then they get 15k for free and you loose

[steady turtle]

Okay but C4 clearly need a buff in some way yeah

[modest pulsar]

me when my gadget isn’t oppressive anymore

[vale obsidian]

yeah thats for sure tho

[modest pulsar]

nukes were the only thing C4 and breach were good for

[steady turtle]

wrong, artemis, but sure. cmon man they werent only good for that lmfao

there is a reason they are so bad now. It was the combination of the two of what it was good for. Rather the 3 things.

[modest pulsar]

what are they good for then?

[vale obsidian]

on light its out class by termal bore and heavy have a whole lot of way to break shit thats more useful then c4
very not good

[crystal garnet]

Thats the game of chess. both teams have the right to adjust and counterplay. Idk what you're trying to argue here. If a sword player is doing well, then suddnely gets shit on due to a loadout adjustment, the light player ( assuming he's smart) can switch to XP.

[shell sonnet]

Meh, defence and destruction is a pretty good use case
But its now somewhat bad for that because it still carries the failed nerf attempts for nukes

They should give it a 2nd charge or faster recharge

[warped fiber]

im sorry bro i havent played this season i was just asking

[modest pulsar]

but at what point are you picking c4 over RPG or breach over bore?

[elder ice]

Why do some weapon sights cost 400vrs and some cost 800?

[crisp heart]

Better question, why do you have to pay to remove your sight?

[modest pulsar]

real (fcar irons go so hard)

[vale obsidian]

@inner lion (long ass msg cooldown so we talk here)

yeah the splash will do like 10-20 damage but thats good imo
i don't like noob gun and even 1 damage splash is enough uitility imo for it stop people form regening (make them wait out of fight for longer)

[steady turtle]

okay wise guy. Its a mine i can detonate at any time to almost instantly one shot another player. Hide a barrel near it, and they are almost impossible to see. Thats an insteantly dead light. bait a team to chase you, throw at feet, detonate, like a mine. Thought that would be obvious too but here we are. Amazing for droppping and double dropping. Combine it with RPg for double drop, and CnS for triple drops. Amazing to detonate on cashouts for free damage, instantly deletes domes so tney cant steal. I can keep going dawg, im a certified C4 guy, but im here so the Community Managers can get some feedback that it needs some type of buff. If C4 is my fav and most used gadget (besides RPG obviously lmfao shits stronk) then why do i win more without C4 than with. I have like 100% good detonation and usage rate on C4 and still be getting bodied, and im topping leaderboards and making great decisions easy scraping top 500 rn with my team but C4 is ridiculously underpowered. It was overcorrected and should be swept back onto the other side of the line ever so slightly @modest pulsar n e ways wise guy havea good day

[crisp heart]

Woah

[vale obsidian]

wall of text

[crisp heart]

Okay, we get it. CL needs a nerf

[shell sonnet]

In chess, you always have every piece available

In the finals you have your loadout and your reserve

You need to loose to use your reserve
And when that would come into play right at the end of a match, you might not have the time to swap and get back after you lost for no fault of your own

And keep in mind that loadout swaps require either a teamwipe or coin
Both of which are massive downsides for the flow of the game
Just to not face a loosing battle
That would be miserable

[warped fiber]

i think all the iron sights are 400 because in most cases theyre not as good

[elder ice]

RDS for Revolver is 400

[warped fiber]

oh

[modest pulsar]

if you are arguing that it is underpowered why are you arguing for using it?…😭 also if i see c4 on the cash out i start laughing my ass off as i blow it up

[vale obsidian]

btw is lag still around? i stop playing cus every time i play it laggy as shit

[steady turtle]

then blow it up and the floor will drop, idk why you are trying to be belittling

[shell sonnet]

Only really laggy a few times on fortune for me

[vale obsidian]

i'll show you the clip lol

[steady turtle]

same here. Whole discord of homies who have the same stuffs

[crystal garnet]

The final round is incredibly flawed on its own, so in the context of an actual 3v3v3v3 match is way different

[shell sonnet]

Not just the final
Also the last cashout on any of the qualification ones

[vale obsidian]

this is all in a 2hour gaming session and the last one is crazy

[shell sonnet]

Oh yeah, ive had one of those long ones before

Felt like 2 minutes, but only 30 seconds or so of the cashout passed

[vale obsidian]

its an eternity in there

[crystal garnet]

If you're that far behind that you swap to your reserve that late in the game, thats your own fault

[vale obsidian]

you swap you loadout to counter enemy
you win
they respawn with a loadout that counter you
you are not dead to counter that counter
last fight
lose the whole match cus of it

[shell sonnet]

Lets say im ahead
Enemies put the boxes in and stack
We need to own it to win
And we steal it, easy, just defends it for the last minute

Now the enemy swaps reserve to aps

I basically cant fight them and wiping will leave to time no steal back

I was ahead, i was good enough to get the thing but loose anyways because of a brute force gadget

Its not the way you think it is
It doesnt work

[crystal garnet]

Skill plays a factor too. Gadget swaps help but its not the be all end all.

[modest pulsar]

this is why in round swaps are off limits in ranked

[shell sonnet]

Was this about skill?

You said this was fine because you could swap
I just explained why you cant always swap

[modest pulsar]

ps if you’re gonna be fighting 2-3 mediums in the final match as CL40 swap off to a different gun so you don’t have the chance of losing to apses

[vale obsidian]

advantage is still an advantage

[warped fiber]

guys i just realized my life is a lie i thought V9S was called V95

[river tinsel]

i want medium to have another pistol

S do be looking like a 5 sometime

[vale obsidian]

what if we have a sifi pistol where the upper part of the pistol is miror so you have a trigger for you index finger and pinky finger

wait not index uhhhhhhhhhhhh your finger thatt you use to point

[humble ice]

I have a question that needs answering; what are your thoughts on buffing the APS turret in some way to become a better counter the CL-40?

[pure salmon]

The pointer finger?

[vale obsidian]

thats what its called?

[shell sonnet]

Hard counters suck
Theyre no fun to the "victim"
And theyre not skillful to abuse
In the "press 1 button and win" kind away

Advantage yes, hard counter no

It used to be that way, there is a reason its not anymore

[humble ice]

Let me rephrase that

[shell sonnet]

Go ahead

[humble ice]

Perhaps a hard-counter isn't necessarily what's needed, just a better deterrent. As it currently stands I find the APS to be pretty weak when it comes to doing the job it's meant to do

The nerf from Season 2 knocked it down so much that you never see it used anywhere, even in the gamemode it was dominant in at the time

[shell sonnet]

Thing is, the more we buff it, the closer it gets to becoming a hard counter again

It used to be infinite, but infinite and 1.000.000 might as well be the same thing

There is no silver line where it suddenly becomes unfair, question is, how much do we allow?

On that 2nd point
I think people just undervalue its usefulness
It can eat all rpg from a heavy stack, mutliple slots woth of grenades
And eats 3/4ths of a cl-40 mag

Its already a massive advantage against it

[humble ice]

Something that should also be considered is that it can destroy projectiles through walls, which it probably shouldn't be able to do

[shell sonnet]

Its niche but has some funny strat potential tbh

[shell sonnet]

You mean powershift?

I still see it used there whenever i play

Given, i play it ps less than the others, but i do see it there

[humble ice]

[...] eats 3/4ths of a cl-40 mag
Does it? It's hard to tell with how oddly it takes damage, I thought it only ate half

I still see it used there whenever i play
Given, i play it ps less than the others, but i do see it there
I play when I run out of contracts, I hardly ever see it and when I do, only one person is using it
Just last night I ran 5 games and didn't see it pop up once

[shell sonnet]

Aps takes ~40% damage for each projectile destroyed
So 2 are 80%
And the 3rd destroys it

But a cl-40 grenade deals more than 50% of its hp in damage
So if you hit just outside the aps aoe, 2 shots will destroy it

I think that now with the cl-40 buff it feels more usefil than before
Just less than when it was an actual win buttok

Maybe its one of those cases where its technically balanced
But it just doesnt feel impactful enough to warrent using it

Like old data reshaper
Replacing a whole specialization (turret) at the press of a button was powerful
And changing mines, barricades and barrels was decent utility
But noone used it anyways

Nothing really changed at its core, you just get to do it more often and have slightly more range
Now its pretty fun (imo) and decently useful

[humble ice]

I'll have to run more games with the APS turret some more then, I personally think the CL-40 complaints are a bunch of noise from people who don't like to adapt but I'd like to suggest potential ways to dampen it anyway

[shell sonnet]

Yeah
I might think its fine
But the devs might not
Giving some input how it could be balanced should they decide to cant hurt

[bold sentinel]

hello embark ! I enjoy playing the finals and i love the nex sights addition. I'm a little sad to see that some weapons dont have any options to get in the shop. Since it would look ridiculous to add sight on a melee weapon I was thinking maybe you could add different version of the secondary fire for melee. For example I'd love to be able to throw my spear at ennemies or charge with the riot shield.

Hope this message finds you well (That's how we say it in french)

I love this game and the devs !

Meri

[shell sonnet]

I have an aps rebalance idea

You carry and get to place up to 2 aps at once (maybe with a slightly better recharge too)
These 2 aps shoot down 2 projectiles each
But they have a slight delay like (1,5 seconds?) before they go active (just like turret)

You get to cover more area/different flanks
And get to shoot down more projectiles in total
Because theyre split theyre also less wasteful against single projectiles like rpg, pyro, gas, etc.
But in return, someone with a projectile based weapon can shoot between placement and activation to damage the user giving skill based/timing based counterplay

What do you think?

[humble ice]

A power-up delay like the turret with being able to carry 2 sounds interesting

With the two being able to force the grenadier to empty their mag, the power-up time should prevent panic uses and encourage barricading

[shell sonnet]

Thats the 1 annoying thing that remained about aps

I was talking a lot about aps, this and infinite ammo were my main pain points

Infinite ammo was removed luckily

But maybe the instant effect is a bigger part in its usefulness than i think it is
So maybe touching that would be dangerous

[humble ice]

In that case the power-up time should be quick enough to stop surprise team fights but slow enough to not work in 1-1 fights. I think deploying slightly faster than the guardian turret could help that

[shell sonnet]

Currently aps is not annoying imo
It can be a bit eh to suddenly have something that will eat half your clip
But its way less frustrating

I dont think its annoying now
Just eh sometimes

[hoary coral]

Hear me out!!!!!
Ricochet coin ability, thoughts?

[copper sinew]

The ultrakill thing? Or you mean something else that isn't explained by those words at all?

[shell sonnet]

Me when im a blue go pro

[hoary coral]

Yesh the ultrakill thingy (I’m not addicted to that game I swear;-;)

[shell sonnet]

You know, contestants splatter into coins

Maybe there is something to be done with that

[hoary coral]

So real!! I know I’m a genius😎🗿

[leaden seal]

review on m11 reddots pls

[plain wasp]

It is a scope I can confirm

[leaden seal]

thanks SonOfDeath (LH1&Karaoke's Lover)

[plain wasp]

I haven't used it yet but I can say the LH1 has been good since s1

[frosty jasper]

Lh1 caught a stray nerf for no reason imo

Should’ve kept range the same

[inner lion]

Did the frag grenade get affected by last season's splash damage rework? Every time me or my friends get hit or hit with it it does the full 149 damage. I don't think I have ever seen a damage roll deviate from the full 149

[plain wasp]

Um don't stand on top of the grenade and you'll take less

I only take max when I don't have any time to react

[sand monolith]

Was already stupid nah

Even without sights

[azure terrace]

Add muskets in the game

[fiery timber]

Is there a 4.0 DPS/TTK sheet yet?

[fickle radish]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ud7Rdl3AgMw9mmfDwW2LtDMnzZQ9IIhnqSE4ivsaMTs/edit?usp=drivesdk

[fiery timber]

Thanks

Damn i see why I lose to Pike at close range sometimes with AKM

[uncut spindle]

Pike is too powerful at all range

[proud lake]

where does dagger stand rn in terms of power level and what combos well with it?

[glad orchid]

rn i find it hard to use dagger without vanishing bomb and dash, but I can see cloak being easier to use

[proud lake]

thanks, just asking around because i honestly find it much harder to use after the new backstab change, but its probably just a me thing

[glad orchid]

i think they might adjust the quality of life for it since the new dagger does feel a bit sluggish haha

[spark igloo]

ass but fun. Best general dagger loadout rn is gateway vanish goo grenade dash

[open blade]

Yo I really wish there was a steyr Aug for medium, and a kriss vector for medium.

[alpine moth]

I just found out a defibrillator is a one hit kill 😬

[spark igloo]

its not

[alpine moth]

I instint killed a medium with it already

[spark igloo]

its 50 damage

[alpine moth]

🤷‍♂️

[alpine moth]

Idk i tried it and got a kill with it

[spark igloo]

that just means they were >50 hp

[alpine moth]

I saw full health but 🤷‍♂️

[spark igloo]

dude just try it in the practice range

[alpine moth]

Why would I whem i did it in a match

Swyw but it's not the first I've done it

[left sail]

Its 50, I have many kills with it and do it for fun

[alpine moth]

I knew it wasn't much but whatever

[indigo briar]

Has the v9s improved since s1 or still dog

[royal basalt]

buff rpg xp

[main axle]

Delete cl-40

[fickle charm]

Tracking dart got nerfed 💀

[main axle]

Delete cl 40

Delete cl40

[north flint]

Cl40 doing more damage than an rpg is complete dogshit

[fickle radish]

Lol

[spring forge]

Delete cl 40

[north flint]

Instead of making a chain of delete it why not use it instead

[mellow gazelle]

someone crying they got killed by the cl40

[past parcel]

Please nerf the CL40

[sharp wraith]

Nerf cl40

[soft shale]

started experimenting with it today (not a light main), I think it can be a monstruosity with very good aim

i like it honestly, it feels more rewarding that the SMGs

[supple oracle]

i don't think its lasting even 5s, or just a visual bug

[north flint]

It's perfect the way it is

[clear briar]

Revisited the revolver on controller and wow this thing needs some help in the current sandbox

I know the key people always point out is “hit headshots” but that’s hard to do amongst everything happening in a fight

Plus hitreg being what it is if you’re even a micrometer off you’re going to miss anyways

[supple oracle]

Am i the only one that personally does not like defib as a tool?, my one problem is that i can't stop the enemy rezing process

[clear briar]

Friend of mine said it should be a specialization

[supple oracle]

If it was a specialization, what do you reckon the majority of the playerbase would take?

i meant in specialization, not gadgets

[clear briar]

Competing with the healing beam especially after its nerfs, probably defib

Being able to save a teammate vs actively heal them is a better pick

[junior ledge]

whats worse fighting triple model or fighting triple cl40

[supple oracle]

i could see 1 medium taking healing beam and the other the defib tool

[supple oracle]

i would just leave the match if it was triple cl40

[keen sonnet]

Triple cl40 is like an instant want to leave

[supple oracle]

triple model i would bite the bullet and try to play against their lack of range

if i aint using a shotgun myself that is....

or melee...

[keen sonnet]

Yeah triple model isn't fun but workable triple cl40 is just like unless they are super bad it's near impossible to do anything but snipe them

[supple oracle]

MGL32 gets screwd so bad CQC yet CL-40 have it so easy being able to explode in CQC and not damaging its user since its blast radius is so forgiving

[keen sonnet]

I used to main cl40 back in season 1-2 because it was a solid weapon with downsides then they nerfed it into the dirt even though no one used it and then they buffed it and just made it so annoying to fight. God help you if you're a light fighting it

[icy sparrow]

@heavy estuary plz join in the comments on dagger copy and paste mine

[merry isle]

What do you guys think of the V9S, and what equipment and abbility do you like to run with it?

[keen sonnet]

V9s is a lot of fun but doesn't benefit much from things like stun gun since you have to land a lot of shots. With light often times the equipment stays the same with things like vanish bomb, gateway, and sonar grenade or stun gun. However if you're using the v9s it doesn't get much mileage out of the stun gun as most people can still kill you before you kill them so it's probably better to run something like a grenade or pyro nade

[sick snow]

Hey, is there any way to change the crosshair on red dots? I have seen people having only a red dot but i am having a whole cross

[clear briar]

I think the fire rate and range dropoff are a bit much but that's coming from someone who mains medium

I have lost to the v9s at medium range using a famas

[heavy estuary]

U mean repost after adding my name?

[icy sparrow]

Yes

[icy sparrow]

#👂┇game-feedback message

Copy the comment

[keen sonnet]

Yeah milmk that sounds like a you missed moment cause a v9s takes like 15 shots. And to the other guy I believe their is no way to change the cross hair for the sights unless the gun just uses a different sight. I think you're probably using a gun that uses the cross reticle like the mp5 or the famas

[heavy estuary]

idk, game feedback seems very unorganised, if it were threads which people could up/downvote that would help alot

[icy sparrow]

Votes don’t exist

[heavy estuary]

I realised that, chat is just massive spam from reading through

threads would at least chage that to be topic-specific

[clear briar]

Famas current recoil makes longer range engagements difficult

[opal mountain]

please add extended magezines for smgs

[icy sparrow]

Yea u gotta comment again for devs to notice

[icy sparrow]

Use pike for long range

[clear briar]

Would prefer if famas recoil was a bit more manageable as it was in s2

[silver socket]

everyone using macro for the pistol and new dmr should i cheat?

[keen sonnet]

Hanzo no bro no one is using macro you just assuming they are don't get banned over stupidity and thinking you're bad. And milmk as a famas main I think it's very much still in an amazing spot and one of the best ar's in the game easily better than the scar

[clear briar]

I am also a famas main and it is the only gun I have at level 8

I just feel like the old recoil was a bit more manageable and it was a little easier to stay on-target

[keen sonnet]

I don't think it's in a bad state and is still very good just don't fall for the rabbit hole of using the sight on it

[clear briar]

Oh yeah I know I actually enjoy the iron sights

I don't think it's bad either recoil is just harder to control

[keen sonnet]

Which is fine cause famas was kinda stupid strong with its ranges and damage if you land shots

[spring glacier]

yall think mp5 still viable for light?

low key kinda think its chalked

v9s and m11 feel better

[winter badge]

v9s with the red dot is game changing for skill-less players like me, but i dont think the mp5 is bad even after nerf

[spring glacier]

it doesnt feel like that for me but im on roller

[fair raptor]

whats better m11 or xp-54

[soft shale]

I have to praise the people who mastered the V9S with iron sights, because I personally couldn't.

[shut bane]

Looks and feels better with the delta sight anyway

[sinful dagger]

V9s with sights is probably the best gun on light rn.

[gloomy nacelle]

Just use pike for everything really shit is even nasty in close range

[gloomy nacelle]

It is ass now bro just use m11 or v9

[silver socket]

mesh shield is usless remove stupid cooldown when you lower it

add slowtime grenade affect with range - add a blackhole devise sucks players and pop them out randomly for defense cashout

[crisp heart]

Wait, they just increased magnification for XP and nerfing damage from 18 to 16 per hit. Is it really that significant of a nerf?

[supple oracle]

really wish smokes werent so inconsistent on their effect...

sometimes i can't see that light right infront of me, sometimes the dude is in the middle of the smoke yet i can PERFECTLY see his character outline (Not the colored outline)

Honestly wish it was like CSGO smoke where its immediate the smoke expansion and it was VERY DENSE

instead of this gradual filling

[restive plover]

Extremely. Very low damage per mag and a massive ttk increase, basically on par with the lh1 for bodyshots. Except the lh1 has far superior range and 2x headshot multiplier to shore up the difference.

[crisp heart]

Idk man, compared to the CL who has a 93 to 117 damage buff and a 9cm to 30cm damage radius buff, that nerf is nothing.

[restive plover]

I don't understand the point of this comparison.

[supple oracle]

is the 9cm/30cm its radius?

[crisp heart]

Yes, really strong

[supple oracle]

wait a goddamn minute

[restive plover]

Xp is firmly on the lower end of light weapons now. Worse than the V9S, and that gun hasn't gotten any better.

[supple oracle]

they BUFFED the CL-40 explosion RANGE?

[crisp heart]

I know right?

[restive plover]

It is once again an actually functional weapon.

[crisp heart]

More like overly functional

[restive plover]

Still pretty mid tier however.

[supple oracle]

god i had a feeling the damage wanst the only thing that thing got buffed, i din't pay attention enough to the patch notes

no wonder it feels more obnoxious to fight it

[crisp heart]

I'm telling you, it won't mellow down until they nerf it

[fluid laurel]

Oh no, explosives have blast radius now

[supple oracle]

tell THAT to MGL32!, it does not have enough for its glaring weakness at CQC

yet CL-40 gets to have range and CQC effectiveness

[restive plover]

The malding will continue until skill improves.

[fair raptor]

whats better m11 or xp-54

[crisp heart]

More like, until cl nerf

[crisp heart]

It gets to be have impact grenades + 30cm damage radius + 117 damage buff. Fun right?

[restive plover]

Should be a 300 meter damage radius

[crisp heart]

More like, should be removed from the game

It's not the first time they removed something from mediums kit

[supple oracle]

I'm not asking for removal, but it is currently obnoxious to fight against, though i reserve my "remove from game" hat to the Defibs

[crisp heart]

Ah, another of mediums gadgets

How quaint

[red dove]

man u really dont like this dagger upd lol

[runic bronze]

how is the M26 matter on light?

[bronze cosmos]

CL 40 is too OP?

[icy sparrow]

Helllpppppp meeee!!!!

[echo hazel]

CL 40 broken

[fluid laurel]

Any decent light counter is "OP"

[halcyon briar]

Why my akm magazine size is 32 and others 36 , please help

[fluid laurel]

AKM mag was reduced to 32 with S4

[urban sapphire]

Everybody else has a good shotgun

[placid ruin]

What if when you partied with a player from another sponsor, their corresponding sponsor band lit up?

[gray maple]

Would be cool

[surreal canopy]

possibly the best idea this server had seen in a long while

[restive plover]

hey embark, the pike for medium i say does way to much damage

[quiet mesa]

LVL 53

[elder stream]

it just needs to be worse close-range honestly IMO

[elder stream]

meant to reply to ^

maybe some slight damage nerf too but it just needs to have its hipfire accuracy reduced and MAYBE remove the iron sights. Maybe change that option to a 1.5/2x scope to make it a bit harder to accurately use at very close ranges

[opaque iris]

Cl40 gotta be nerfed

[icy sparrow]

U agree on rework medium? #👂┇game-feedback message

[opaque iris]

Cl 40 broken ngl

[mighty oyster]

Please nerf sword/ can kill heavy. And m with 2 tap right click. Please nerf M11. No recoil and they can kill you spamming it while jumping cuz no hipfire. Please nerf throwing knives. Dmg is too high and no reload time. Please nerf invisible utility. Unfair for m and h since they only 20% visible. Please nerf stun gun. Impossible to move and basically free kill from behind. Stupid range too. Please nerf double barral. Two shot a heavy. Please nerf scanners. Gives too much an advantage for better sightview. And control over map. Please nerf light speed. They run like small bastards that shit in their pants. H and M cant run so fast. Please nerf heath regeneration time better than m and H . Basically Deadpool abilities. Please nerf dash. Can avoid mines and boost their speed even more.

[icy sparrow]

Yea remove light class for u lol

[fickle radish]

guy has 2 hours and died too many times by the most useless class

[icy sparrow]

@mystic nimbus what do u think of my pike rework idea

@noble ibex #👂┇game-feedback message copy paste this

@feral cradle what about healing dart cause it’s long range

[stoic garden]

please nerf everything

[hardy dust]

Light has a lot of counterplay.

[mighty oyster]

So do H and M :)))

[hardy dust]

Not as much. Light is countered with good skill. M and H become equal matchups.

[stoic garden]

the unfortunate difference is that light specializations only require player skill in aiming and hearing, people can learn to track the distance of your dash and beam you through it, or see where you cloak (which is why most people use it and stand still, as they should)

[drifting nymph]

any tips for against cl guys?

[hardy dust]

If you can get highground they basically become useless.

And you can usually win gunfights head on.

Depends on your weapon, but jumping can be effective.

And try to make them waste their ammo since they don't have a lot of it.

[marsh iron]

swords desperately need at the LEAST a cooldown cuz no fucking way its doing more damage than the sledgehammer lol

[mighty oyster]

Clearly one-sided and the typical tunnel vision mentality many light players got. It all boils down to skills. You can easily find skilled players that demolish h and m players as light. Just look on YouTube.So this will always be an pointless endless circle of L players feeling underwhelmed and blame the game for it.

[hardy dust]

It doesn't.

[marsh iron]

i got hit with 480 damage from a sword dash, it definitely does

[hardy dust]

It does 140 max.

[marsh iron]

or maybe its some out of wack once in a million occurence but the ability to do that shit back to back is ridiculous

the dash needs a cooldown, especially if heavy is going to be the subject of so many nerfs

[hardy dust]

It takes at least 1s to charge up, then attack. It already has a cooldown.

[marsh iron]

then make it

[hardy dust]

Heavy is still very strong.

[marsh iron]

longer

[hardy dust]

Why? Light is already weak.

[marsh iron]

heavy is still strong, but i shouldnt be being out damaged if my purpose is literally damage

[hardy dust]

Light is a glass cannon... plus heavy has some insane damage anyways.

[marsh iron]

light is the easiest character to play hands down lol. there doesnt need to be an insta-kill mechanic

[hardy dust]

Light is only good against bad players.

[marsh iron]

that is not true lmao

[hardy dust]

And the only "instant kill mechanic" is the dagger backstab, which has a massive downside and very easily countered.

[hardy dust]

Light is the weakest class in higher ranked matches.

They die too easily and their specializations rely on their opponents not having enough skill.

[marsh iron]

its got nothing to do with weakness, if you know how to play it light is the deadliest class out there. being able to click my right mouse twice and get a kill is ridiculous

[hardy dust]

Sword is a noob stomper weapon...

[marsh iron]

and this isnt me sneaking around invis with backstabs and shit, this is full on gunfights like they can see me

[hardy dust]

It gets countered with a ton of things, including good aim.

[marsh iron]

but it hardly matters, the evasive dash combined with the right click is just stupid

[hardy dust]

What class do you play?

[marsh iron]

like just one extra second between would make it so much more balanced

[hardy dust]

It's already weak...

[marsh iron]

i play all, i dont have a main i go based on what the team needs

[hardy dust]

What class do you have the most issues with sword?

[icy sparrow]

@hazy spoke how u forget dagger single tap?
U won’t get movement nerf if u one tap like before,common sense
U can slide once when holding for increased speed

[icy sparrow]

Not being distracted

[marsh iron]

yeah, light isnt made for frontal assaults, its supposed to be weak, youre supposed to sneak around and get behind people. youre not supposed to be flying around with infinite dashes lol

[hardy dust]

That gets hard countered with decent aim.

[marsh iron]

all of them, even when i hit they just end up behind me, then i turn, shoot, back in front of me, its ridiculous

[hardy dust]

Light : Stun / DB hard counters
Medium : Glitch traps / model hard counters
Heavy : C&S / SA12 hard counters

[marsh iron]

my aim is good lol, its not about that, but the 3 charges from evasive dash, the infinite right click would throw off anybody's aim

[hardy dust]

Not really. Sword isn't an issue for good players.

Because they have no range and die to the wind.

[marsh iron]

whatever you say lol

[hardy dust]

I'm sure you'll have less issues with them as you get better. Good luck!

[marsh iron]

yeah im hard stuck platinum, guess i just need to get better

[hardy dust]

Platinum isn't that hard to get... 😭

[marsh iron]

hard for your average player im sure

light is really easy to play, theres just no need for an instant kill mechanic in a game thats supposed to be based around teamwork lol. it promotes bad playstyles, and then you get these wannabe light mains who suck and end up going 0-14.

[hardy dust]

The instant kill is dagger... which gets countered by turning around...

[marsh iron]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-gif-24534315

embed failed but you get the point

[hardy dust]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fall-epic-embed-fail-fail-funny-gif-21341768

[icy sparrow]

True with players who stick together I get only one attack and get beam by all 3 lol

[marsh iron]

then maybe my teammates just suck, cuz everytime im up against a sword theyre clueless

[hardy dust]

Guess so. 🤷‍♂️

[marsh iron]

but still, on such an easy to play class, theres no need for two instant kill mechanics. dash, turn, dash again, dead, its stupid

[hardy dust]

Sword has a pretty abysmal ttk.

Every gun beats it, while keeping range.

It's better the worse the aim of other players.

[marsh iron]

idk what game youre playing dawg 😂 that shit 2-3 hits me every time, and range doesnt matter because of the evasive dash

[hardy dust]

Well good luck getting better!

[icy sparrow]

Lol watch this https://youtu.be/jmRc_KdqMoA?si=Y95_bowSlUFt8yEw

[hardy dust]

[marsh iron]

whatever you say man

[icy sparrow]

No seriously watch it lol

[marsh iron]

ohhhh hes a light main, makes sense

[icy wasp]

I want an M4 for medium

[fleet brook]

Dash go brrr

Tbf dash dagger has gotten much easier as you don't need to master the timing as much

[sweet thistle]

Which is why light has the lowest win rate in both low skill and high skill lobbies 💀 yeah right

Sword is easily countered. If you're heavy just charge and slam. If you're medium then just glitch trap. We can't do anything.

[restive plover]

Sword is also a weapon that gets screwed by climbing on boxes.

[sweet thistle]

^

And just keeping distance

Most sword players i've seen don't know how to use it, they just do a frontal charge without any team support.

[rough pulsar]

are there emerald rewards this season in wt?

[sweet thistle]

There will be

[rough pulsar]

so it hasnt been released yet?

[sweet thistle]

And we will get our emeral rewards soon from last season.

Yes not yet

[rough pulsar]

alright. thank u

[fleet brook]

I mean not to be crude but newsflash not everyone plays rank and light is a really good pub stomping class

[coral sequoia]

I run model1887 with goo, defib and jump pad.

What's a good replacement for the jump pad? I'm not getting rid of the goo

[shell sonnet]

@nova surge
In case it helps, try placing aps on a carryable item
You can pick it up and carry it around as it recharges in your inventory

So you end up being able to destroy 6 projectiles once you engage someone

Beware though, if you drop whatever its placed on it breaks, so a pyro barrel for example would set you on fire

It seems like you cant use stuff like ziplines either, but that may just be a bug

[thick crypt]

A good replacement for jump pad is the zip line but if you want to get rid of both movements then I find the gas grenade helpful. If someone counters it with fire then switching it up to a regular grenade works as well.

[coral sequoia]

I’ll try it!

[shell sonnet]

I find data reshaper pretty fun
Instantly gets rid of turrets, barricades, mines and even grenades if youre quick enough

Getting to learn the patter at which barrels reshape to get what you need is pretty fun too

Its basically an all in one grenade
Needs more setup and may be a bit inconsistent
But kowing you can make a goo fortress because there was a smoke box nearby is a nice option to have
I like to reshape stuff to pyro barrels and drop it onto the cashout with demat

But its usability depends on how often you see turrets etc. Otherwise it may end up being a bit niche

[sweet thistle]

Newsflash Embark said themselves that across all modes and levels light is the class with least win rate. It's in the season 4 update description

[fleet brook]

They never released the kill rate either

No they didn't

Unless im reading the wrong thing

The only comments I can find are on heavy being unfun but still having the highest wr

[crude leaf]

Made a tribute video dedicated to the amazing weapon skins in this game (only 2 animators work on this game btw) https://youtu.be/P8-9-htDn2I?si=zUkiCPaGheZD11S8

[atomic sand]

Guys what do you think about this post?
Let me know !
Dont forget to vote up if you like the idea !
https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1290675642920337428

[coral sequoia]

I see a shit ton of solo and new players going light, which no doubt contributes to their win rates.

Heavies seem less popular for newbies and solos (why try to tank damage for people you can’t communicate with anyway)

[fleet brook]

Again half reading while doing one arms

Again I wonder kill rate vs wr

[fleet brook]

I started playing heavy for the destruction

[coral sequoia]

Most new folk just chases kills

It’s what they’re used to, only fair

[fleet brook]

Light is the most noob friendly class second to medium mostly because medium is your standard shoot and support

And I say that from experience as light was the first class I played

[sweet thistle]

How is light more noob friendly compared to heavy?

Heavy you have so much health and you just gotta charge and slam + shield + spray lmg/flamethrower

[fleet brook]

Your job is get kills plus I've played plenty of shooters and movement shooters and I usually play damage classes so being low health was never an issue

Also light gets to choose there fights heavy doesn't really get that privilege as much

[sweet thistle]

Yeah heavy can stay behind shield and healed on a leash by their medium

[fleet brook]

Spray lmg unless you're close is bad

You can't C and S and mesh one or the other

Flamethrower gets out damaged by anyone

[fleet brook]

Also light is less dependent on their team to function

Basically heavy is a tank most People have the brain power to headshot the usually slow moving tank and unless your med is smart you ain't getting healed

You might get defib

Plus they have the most play making potential

Also I play light SH so the gameplay for me is two shot and then zoom out

[sweet thistle]

Yes light has a lot of potential if you play it well. But, it's a glass cannon class, and you're playing away from the team a bit which risks you getting killed. This makes it not "noob friendly". It's a harder class to master. That is not to say H and M takes skill to use. But we're comparing classes here.

[fleet brook]

I mean noob friendly as a pickup and play thing assuming you've played other shooters

[sweet thistle]

Pickup and play?

[fleet brook]

Yeah just like starting out what would you gravitate towards

Also your job as light is the simplest

Get kills that's you're one job med has most responsibilities

Second heavy

Last light

And tbf finals is a shooter no one really wants to play support (I know I'm generalizing) in a shooter trying to support there teammates who they suspect to be huffing glue and tanking now that heavys being pushed into a clunky tank isn't fun

It's so unfun the devs said they know people aren't having fun or feels bad to play

I haven't seen a single "tank" heavy player since the patch notes dropped and turtle heavies are also rare

[supple oracle]

man this game just threatens me everyday that its a good game, only for me to be slapped everyday when i try to use anything that is not meta or play like a sweaty

i just want to use dagger and MGL32

yet i keep getting lights with tazers and fast TTK, mediums with pikes and CL-40 and defibs, and heavies with deagles

[arctic fog]

Bro they better be or istg I'm going on strike

[restive plover]

Pike probably, but a cl40 nerf would be foolish.

[jolly nest]

How good of a suggenstion it would it be to have a gadget for the medium to make the character faster for a small amount of time? I think it would be a good indirect buff to melee weapons of this class because rn there's not much you can do against fleeing light targets.

[soft shale]

I don't see how. People have complained for so long about the RPG, how could a semi auto RPG be fine ?

Right now it even deals more damage. But 117 for a direct hit is not far off from pre-nerf RPG damage at 140.

People here are giving textbook unrealistic explanations on how to mitigate CL damage. Not realizing that you're asking people to severly outplay someone who's not doing much more than left clicking in their general direction.

The fact that it still has its 0.75 self damage multiplier is ridiculous.

[jolly nest]

there was a direct counter (the APS turret), but now it's more balanced since it now has a depleting life bar per projectile blocked

[soft shale]

It has the potential to outplay a Model at point blank range with barely any aiming required

The APS is an extremely weak counter. Immobile, narrow AoE...

Maybe people wouldn't complain as much if the Mesh Shield hadn't been nerfed into oblivion, because this spec would have been a great team counter against both Pike and CL gameplay.

[coral sequoia]

Just bounce on a jump pad, you’ll be cl-40 immune! ☺️

[soft shale]

This has as much value as people saying not being able to avoid RPG hits was a skill issue

[jolly nest]

I mean, the APS turret is still a good counter to the CL-40.... The CL-40 takes so long to recharge and an APS can eat its entire magazine. By that time, that demolition man is a sitting duck for quite a long time

[shell sonnet]

Rpg is the opion to deal damage

If someone gets in your face while you run cl-40 you need to hit yourself

That being said, self damage is too low atm

[coral sequoia]

It was also not halfway serious

[soft shale]

APS buys you time in a 1v1 scenario maybe.
Realistically you're rarely ever fighting a 1v1 and most importantly, you're rarely ever immobile in this game.

[soft shale]

In that case that was a good imitation of CL40 users trying to explain us how to play this game as if we hadn't been there since its release lol

[coral sequoia]

I dunno, I started late season 3

[shell sonnet]

Isnt self damage bugged too?
I heard you dont take self damage on direct hits

[vocal canopy]

The iron sights on the PIKE are off-center by a pretty noticeable margin when you are strafing. I thought I was going crazy...

(I don't condone the use of a third party crosshair, I am only using one in this clip to show my point.)

[soft shale]

No it's not a bug
It was reduced to 0.75 at some point and hasn't been touched since

[shell sonnet]

No no
That you dont take self damage at all

I am aware that its currently lowered

[soft shale]

Haven't tried myself so I thought we were still at 0.75

Regardless, that's not enough. RPG is something like 1.75 IIRC. At least shooting it too close could easily take off 250 HP last season

[restive plover]

Old RPG was a gadget that can be used in tandem with any primary to set up or secure kills for free, cl40 is the primary and so lacks that problem. That's also why it gets higher damage, it should be better at killing than a gadget.

The counter already exists, get a height advantage so they can't use splash damage anymore. Doesn't even have to be anything substantial.

Heavies and mediums can also both just stand there and win the ttk race regardless.

[restive plover]

True.

But medium has better things to put in that slot.

😔

[leaden seal]

is it cheaper to buy coins in their website? or is it same price as steam

[silver socket]

remove shotgun from light or stun gun both are op together

[rough pulsar]

whats meta at the moment?

[sand monolith]

Heavy with m60 or Lewis gun alongside 2 mediums with heal beam and any combination of pike and/or model depending on the map and the comps you’re playing against

[rough pulsar]

alright, thanks

[sand monolith]

Heavy runs dome, rpg, c4

Mediums run defib x2, jump pad x2, zipline, frag

[rough pulsar]

pike with iron sight or scope?

[vast ermine]

Jd

[icy forge]

Zipline > Jump pad

[soft shale]

RPG was not criticized because it's a gadget but because it supposedly took no skill

[still wyvern]

please for the love of god fix the cl40, the dmg is insane

[shrewd wave]

cl40 ......... the most unskilled weapon plz do something everyone is playin that now :c

[crude dirge]

If ur a good shot go with the iron sights

[icy forge]

prefer taking the good old goonade

[floral pine]

does embark have any plans for sight on the lewis?

[plush kestrel]

Yeah I'd say the Lewis is in a good spot

[mellow gazelle]

Skill issue. Does 7 more damage than it did S2

[leaden seal]

is data reshaper any good? it seems hilarious to use

[thorn flower]

against medium teams with turrets

[hollow breach]

Whats meta for light?

[vocal island]

death-screen vs cl40

[analog jewel]

CAN U FCKN NERF THIS GRENADE LAUNCHER ???????????????????????

[hollow breach]

Sick thanks man and what gadgets?

[brazen mango]

light is just kinda shit rn

Class balance is nonexistent

if you wanna torture yourself optimally run V9S, Stun, Glitch, Gateway and Cloaking Device

[keen maple]

fr

[restive plover]

I'm using cl40 itsreally doesn't need 2 be this easy, also teammates can't even get 140 damage its annoying because I'm hard stuck silver getting 8 kills 4000 damage with no support or common sense

[keen maple]

i play with sniper so i run sniper, sonar, flash, and smoke with cloak

it works

[hollow breach]

So how exactly do you use invis? Ive tried running it but then just go back to dash

[plain wasp]

Νο

Everything else just got nerfed

Except cl40 it got buffed so now its like 4 rpgs

I guess sword got buffed too but it's only good against bad players anyways

[brazen mango]

xp nerf, medium got another light gun, no model nerf, mesh shield nerfed, light is dead rn

[plain wasp]

It needed a range nerf not damage

Yeah that one needs atleast partially reverted

I've seen more goo gun recently

Still lots of mesh but not much winch really

[broken wave]

I miss the mesh, as a bad aim normie I liked being able to offer utility to my team at medium range. Heavy is lacking atm unless you can survive with enough health to close distance

[plain wasp]

LH1 is the best anyways

Ω

Υeαh I see thαt

But I like my big dαmαge heαdshots

[static fossil]

Yee, invisible has been nerfed pretty hard since the start, pretty much the less u move the less visible u are. Run around a corner when being chased and just crouch and don't move and they'll run past u

[static fossil]

Yee, I used to run knife and invisible and I'd be going into games with like 20+kills but both the invis and the knife have been nerfed.
Try using the handgun or an smg but even catching someone off guard I just get dropped in half a second because medium is so unbalanced and light has been nerfed to hell

[tacit minnow]

this granade launcher shotgun noob tube weapon, 3 Mediums all play noobtube, INSTA KILLS A WHOLE TEAM WITH 4 SHOTS TOTAL. pls nerf cl-40 either more self damage by 10x or nerf the damage to opps

nah nt really, if you hit yourself with the cl40 2 times you should be dead imo, This gun is not supposed to be used the way it is currently

donno feels like it is 30 or something around that, so 10x is ofcourse nt realistic, but should be 2 bullets = suicide

[river tinsel]

If you can't drop a player while using the m11 and cloaking thats a skillissue im sorry to say. The m11 and the v95 are kind of the best weapons in the light kit right now

I do agree with a china lake nerf though. It should not be this strong

No blast radius based weapon should do more than 100 damage a shot. It was fine before the buff

[tacit minnow]

to early? 90% of all M players use it, you INSTA die when the whole team uses it even as a heavy you die in a split second

buffing APS = all gadgets gets nerfd

[river tinsel]

I'm sure they're do "engagement based" weapon balancing with it pretty much not enough people used the cl-40 before so now they buff it to a broken amount to get people to use it. Ideally I think they want even usage number across all the weapons to be even but they fail to consider the player base is full of actual crayon eating morons who are too afraid to use some weapons. Because ak is straight forward and easy. CL required a bit more nuance.

So now the CL gets buffed and feels broken

Kinda want the heavy MGL to get a buff instead

Its grenades feel like nerf balls in comparison

[tacit minnow]

imo they should only increase self inflited dmg to the cl40 so you cant just spam granades at your own feet instead of nerfing the dmg itself

[fleet brook]

And barricades made by heavies

[fleet brook]

Is there a stat site where you can see things wr and KR

[river tinsel]

Not publicly facing but every game company collects this kind of data with its player base. Its a very common practice

[royal pier]

Forcing the spear to get in close to quick melee completely nullifies the entire point of a melee weapon with some reach. The fixes to the spin are nice, but it's still inferior to the Sledgehammer with the current damage.

I see two possible ways to remedy this. One is simply upping the damage. If the combo damage went 75 - 85 - 90, it would 2 hit Light (reminder that sledgehammer can already either one shot with a heavy attack, or a regular swing with a quick melee already kills them quickly) and 3 hit Medium without having to nullify the while point of a spear by having to get close. It would also allow a spin attack to finish off Heavies. It would actually give a Spear user a chance to beat Sledgehammer in a straight 1v1.

The second option is to allow the spear to combo infinitely with no pause, increasing the DPS without adjusting damage.

[river tinsel]

Spear range is higher than the hammer thats why. If you get close you lose.

The idea being its a more hit and run melee than the hammer

[royal pier]

Except it's not hard for Sledge to get in at wack you. The breakpoints are more relevant for Light and Medium.

Can't exactly effectively hit and run when you're the slowest, largest class.

[river tinsel]

Thats called a user error. Aka skill issue

[royal pier]

Not to mention that Sledge's heavy attack has a lot of range when sliding, and you're slower when walking backwards/to the side.

[river tinsel]

My sibling in christ you are both the same class

[royal pier]

Ok smart-ass, let's see some clips.

[royal pier]

You do realize that you move slower going backwards and to the side yeah?

[river tinsel]

Its not a heavy vs light argument. Just go into the test range

[royal pier]

So if a hammer is moving towards and you move back, they will catch you.

[river tinsel]

Run at them harder (charge and slam)

[royal pier]

Sure, I have beaten sledgehammer with spear, but they made errors.

[river tinsel]

And sure sledgehammer has beaten you but you made errors. Thats how games work

[royal pier]

That tends to boop them away now. Also, the sledgehammer can spam heavy attack while you charge into them, and they win.

[royal pier]

It mathematically kills faster, and spears current damage means you have to close distance to kill effectively.

Waiting for clips btw, skill issue is a dogwater argument to facts.

I almost never see spear, I see plenty of sledgehammer.

[river tinsel]

Its not my fault you're not bright enough to understand game mechanics

[royal pier]

Spear only shines in situations like this:

[royal pier]

You are just a contrarian with no evidence. The reach spear has over sledge is just not significant.

[river tinsel]

Yeah its almost like diffrent weapons excell at diffrent things

[royal pier]

You can do a sliding heavy on sledge to easily nullify the range.

[hardy dust]

Sledge has more damage and utility. The extra range on spear is nigh useless in a direct fight since you can't consistently space them out while also doing damage. Spear is only useful for very niche situations with the AOE attack, but they hardly ever happen.

[royal pier]

Spear exceeds at literally nothing.

[river tinsel]

Damn what if we could have a hammer that hits more than 1 target at a time

[royal pier]

Besides the occasional situation where you have a pocket healer and you get to beyblade.

[royal pier]

If they group up that close, they're fools.

And I do find some fools, but the Sledgehammer brings destruction, easier combos, and has sweeping attacks that are easier to land.

[river tinsel]

Some kind of big sweeping attack that can hit people grouping up on like a cash box or on the powershift platform.

[royal pier]

Spear can yeet some stuff, which is funny, but not worthwhile over sledge.

[royal pier]

You are as dense as a neutron star.

[river tinsel]

What if we had a sword but like small and it could 1hit ko anyone from behind

[royal pier]

But far less interesting.

[river tinsel]

Damn better get on the official THE FINALS™️ discord and complain that not all the melee weapons are the same.

[royal pier]

Sledgehammer is easier, kills faster, and has destruction.

Spear has a highly situational spin, smaller hitboxes, and all if gets is very slightly more range with far less damage.

And combos that require you to get into sledgehammer range to quick melee anyway.

[shell sonnet]

Id like the knockback to be increased drastically
That way i can combo it with charge n slam/c4 to open up walls and get cashouts outside

Then i could jump down and bayblade the capping enemies to death

Also funny last second steal denial by knockback

[royal pier]

You don't want them far away, though. I would be cool if it pushed them into the max range of it when they get hit while close.

[river tinsel]

Embark why does the riot shield melee weapon get a shield thats just so unfair to the dual blade users!

[royal pier]

Ya'll forgetting how low the average ttk is now.

[shell sonnet]

No no
Only knockback to objects

Not players

That would be silly

[royal pier]

It used to, but it was kinda jank.

[shell sonnet]

Didnt play spear this season yet
It got removed??

[royal pier]

I do like the idea of it forcing back enemies.

[royal pier]

At the launch of S3 you could yeet the Cash Out like 10m+ with spin.

I'm not home atm but I might have a clip if I remember.

[shell sonnet]

I only got into spear a bit towards the end
It was pretty minimal

Sad i didnt get to see its glory

[river tinsel]

There a sledgehammer user 10 feet away from me what do I do they can just run at me and one shot me with a right click!

[royal pier]

It hurt as often as it helped

[shell sonnet]

Please show me later if possible

[royal pier]

This isn't even an argument, seek help.

The spear reach vs sledgehammer is also nullified by the Sledgehammer having lunge while spear doesn't.

Sp once they're in range, they stay there unless you get a lucky charge boop

[shell sonnet]

Ok, just throwing that out there

What if spinning with spear made you liftoff like a helicopter

Sledge for destruction
Spear for movement

[river tinsel]

I'm for it

[royal pier]

Funny, but not that helpful lol. Unless it kept your current height for a bit and gave you a sort of glide.

[river tinsel]

Make it like a Marry Poppins goofy as fuck glider

[royal pier]

So you could cross gaps that are too wide for a jump.

Still not as good at Sledgehammer having infinite destruction, sadly.

[shell sonnet]

That was the intention

Not just upward

Allow for sideways movement and everything

Only doenside would be that melee literally cant fight it
But its not like the spear can fight back either

[royal pier]

I'm kinda for the idea of it having push back when used up close. It would let you shove people off the cash out.

[shell sonnet]

Like
Stun gun already not only denies kills, but turns them into free kills too

Spear getting to cheese a getaway is less bad, than cheese killing the other person

[royal pier]

I still firmly believe you shouldn't have to quick melee to finish people.

Cause at least if the 3 hit combo killed Mediums the ttk would more closely match Sledgehammer.

They could also make you Medium speed when using. Not sure if they'd be too strong though.

But it's embarrassingly easy to just 180 and run from the spear while turning to do some damage.

[shell sonnet]

I dont like the idea of increasing movement speed

Thats the very thing keeping it in check

Cant beat a melee player?
Well you can at least run away

[lament bobcat]

I just realized saying "light supremacy" probably isn't something I want taken out of context

[shell sonnet]

I would talk about how its already very bad with sledge, but theyre all busy using this ^

[royal pier]

Counterpoint, the other melee weapons with low damage have either a shield (on a class with good movement utility), consistent dashes, or high damage.

[shell sonnet]

So it never gets to that part

[royal pier]

Spear doesn't have anything consistently useful.

[shell sonnet]

Busy using winch

[royal pier]

And once you use winch, you still got 2 other enemies at minimum.

I bring goo nades, which help a little, but sledgehammer just does better.

I'm going to mess with using goo gun tonight, but still seems meh since they can still shoot you the whole time.

[covert parcel]

goo gun

[royal pier]

I'd say winch. The near- guaranteed hit is going to be higher dmg. Charge is fine, but doesn't change any breakpoints.

[shell sonnet]

Light is already the fastes class
They catch up by default, do dash doesnt change anything there
And theyre kinda balanced around dying if you breathe on them, so fair enough imo

On medium, all movement items can be used by the enemy too, so in an attempt to get close, they hop on the same zipline you just used and become uncatchable
And they still only match your speed afterwards, if you start running any earlier, they wont catch you
(Unless youre heavy, which likely out dps'es them)

And shield for heavy are defensive
Theyre only useful if you sholt them
Were talking about running away, where you specifically dont do that

[hardy dust]

Spear with winch is still stronger than riot / dual blades.

Spear is bad partly because sledge is basically a direct upgrade.

[shell sonnet]

Hope i didnt missread that
Im kinda tired

[royal pier]

They can't use angled jump pad on a goo nade wall.

[shell sonnet]

Why not?

[royal pier]

Cause they're in front running from you lol

[hardy dust]

The amount of setup that takes is more than enough to let whoever is being chased either get away or just shoot them in the air since you fly in a very predictable path.

[shell sonnet]

Unless theyre 1 shot you can just pass them, tank a hit, and then use them

And thats assuming they landed on you market garden style after the jump pad

If they didnt, then they still have a gap to close
Which they cant unless youre a heavy

But heavies have a pretty good chance of killing you anyways

[royal pier]

I play with a frequent riot shield user. They plop down the goo a bit in front of themselves, then quickly place the jump.

[shell sonnet]

Im not quit sure i understood that anyways, so take this with a grain of salt

[royal pier]

I mean talk to @weak imp about it.

[cunning wyvern]

Let me throw the spear letmethrowthespearletmethrowthespearletmethrowthespearletmethrowthespearletmethrowthespearletmethrowthespearletmethrowthespearletmethrowthespearletmethrowthespearletmethrowthespear

I want to throw the spear it is a spear you don't even choke down on it you use it like a bow staff let me throw it why can't I throw a SPEAR

There is literally a javelin skin let me throw it the spin attack is useless let me throw it I am begging you embark no one uses the spear

Let. Me. Throw. The. Spear.

How do I start a poll for this the spear throw is a no brain rework I don't care if it does 2 damage let me throw the spear

Poke on R2 hold L2 for aim and throw it's not difficult to rework this

[keen turtle]

All the homies hate fotm cl-40 players

[cunning wyvern]

YESSSSSS LET ME THROOOOOOW THE THROWABLE WEAPON

[sharp dragon]

A glitch grenade would be so useful for medium class. Demat is great but it is map oriented, for people who want to run turret or healing beam, give medium mains a glitch greande (relatively small area effect like pyro nade).

[errant blade]

Just let the man throw the spear

[cunning wyvern]

It. Is. A. Spear. The mam slashes with it I'm going to throw up

Spear. Throw it. Crisp and clean. Love me spear, love haltow, love cashout, simple as

[shadow onyx]

Bro what's with this server disconnect every other game. Didn't happen in any of the other seasons

[river tinsel]

Maximum Unga bunga

[versed siren]

anyone got any strats with goo gun?

[cunning wyvern]

GIVE ME A CAVEMAN SKIN AND LET ME THROW THE SPEAR

[shut bane]

anyones dual katanas swinging by themselves every time you switch to them?

[lament bobcat]

Ok be serious, what's the best Light gun for quick cash rn?

With frag/goo/fire nades

[cunning wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/the-outpost-the-outpost-series-fantasy-the-cw-syfy-gif-21444352

https://tenor.com/view/throwing-spear-amleth-alexander-skarsgård-the-northman-counterattack-gif-24448460

[weary blaze]

Cl-40 need to be nerf it 2 shot a medium 3 shot a heavy

[reef vector]

Do you think they want to be able to throw the spear

But I agree that would give a much needed boost to spear

[tight swallow]

Guys, I have a niche buff to the revolver where the headshot multiplier should INCREASE towards the bottom of the magazine.

it should go 2.2x, 2.4x and 2.6x on the 4th, 5th, 6th shots

[reef vector]

Y

I guess it incentivises people to not reload as much tho

[shut bane]

It do not 2 shot a medium or 3 shot a heavy actually

[silk cargo]

its 2/3/4 for each class

[quick vigil]

Can we get the dagger back how it used to be this next update? Or at least change it to make it feel a little better

[idle yoke]

3 shots a medium 4 shots a heavy

[weary blaze]

I swear it’s 2 shot

It dealt like 147 dmg per shot

[idle yoke]

No

It's 117 per shot (if direct impact)

117x2 = 234 (still will need one more shot to kill a medium if they are full HP)

[weary blaze]

ok ig but still can we like nerf it pls I hate it

[weary blaze]

??

[placid ruin]

dunno man, i bought it for 800 vrs

[weary blaze]

You can shoot hammer now ig

[fickle wadi]

why does the 2 shot shotgun on light 2 tap a heavy??

[placid ruin]

[sand monolith]

Take high ground against it

If you are above someone that is using a cl40 you are practically invincible against them

[placid ruin]

its a scam using a very similar looking website to steal your data

[reef vector]

Is it just me or is the prices for the new guns a bit much

Im a season 1 og but the pin on my banner says season 4, y is this?

[inner grail]

cuz its season 4 blawg

[reef vector]

Tru

Deagles are broken too tho, I just got 25 kills with them

[hardy dust]

It takes 3 shots to kill a heavy. (117x3=351)

[restive plover]

For directs, splash is four assuming max damage.

[sacred scroll]

Anyone know if winch claw interrupts sledge hammer's heavy attack?

[restive plover]

It does.

Winch claw interrupts anything, it's a complete stun.

Very stupid ability design.

[sacred scroll]

Very Moba like

[idle yoke]

That's if you hit all directs, usually it's 4 most of the time

If someone is good at hitting direct impact shots against a heavy its oppressive

[unkempt root]

Please don’t change the dagger again, if anything just make it so that you can also do a single click to trigger a backstab

[waxen fiber]

buff gas grenade, it should release cloud of gas on impact. Why some random barrels on the map can do it(with some tricks) but specially design gadjet cant, it is so frustrating when you throw this grenade on cash to prevent steal and it bounces of and realizing gas cloud 3 meters away from it absolutely without interfering with the enemy team. Also it would be great if gases have there on physics and move down if there is nothing (or almost nothing) underneath it.

[turbid saddle]

Random question but

What's the range of C4 and breach charge? Do they share the same range?

[forest canopy]

rip mp5

[winged kernel]

i saw a saying that the the 357 should be used more as a slug shotgun mentallity over a handcannon to help with pacing and shot handling that ture?

[restive plover]

Huge fps bug on console

Nerf the gl

[burnt canyon]

What if we could get a gadget similar to Dematerializer where you can turn a wall or surface into a mirror that lets you either reflect bullets to 'curve shots around corners' or play tricks on players with illusions?

[real bluff]

Nerf the gl

[cold jackal]

I think C4 is way larger

[steady ibex]

When're we gonna notice a nerf on the CL40

[hallow leaf]

They didn't nerf the cl-40 because they added a skin for it and want people to buy it

"Let's make this weapon broken so we can sell skins for it"

[steady ibex]

The radius on it is to high and the damage to radius

[sweet trench]

Coin flip gadget for lights. After you flip it it you get a tick or cross. Tick increases your movement speed by 50 percent for 10 seconds. Cross reduces movement by 10 percent for 50 seconds the recharge is the length of the effect you get

Slow grenade for medium 2 charges. When the grenade hits the ground it creates an area similar to that of the glitch grenade. It lasts for 10 seconds and slows and removes 30 percent speed.

[uncut apex]

Remove the cl40 if it's too big brain trying to have it fit the game. Rn it's just ruining every lobby.

[crisp heart]

Why just have everyone use the weapons they claim to be broken? use it while the buff is still there.

[dapper yacht]

are they not gonna nerf the pike?

[uncut apex]

Because I want the game to be fun and reward the better player, not who ever has the most drool on the keyboard while jumping around splashing feet with cl40

[dapper yacht]

facts lol

[crisp heart]

It's not about rewards, it's to send a message

I mean, I had a guy who's main strat is to just set up jump pad, and just keep jumping on it while bombarding enemies with the CL

he was has having fun on it until someone destroyed his jump pad, and he still got away safely.

[uncut apex]

You don't need a jump pad to jump.

[crisp heart]

you need jump pad to jump higher

[uncut apex]

You don't need to jump higher to get a solid angle to use cl40

[crisp heart]

you need to jump higher if you need to make a makeshift angle on the fly

[uncut apex]

Talk about wooosh, missing the point

[crisp heart]

talk about a bad point

point is so bad it missed me like a CL grenade, and yet still killed me

[uncut apex]

Exactly the point, you don't need to hit anything to be effective with cl40

[crisp heart]

how is not jumping related to that? damn, point is missing me rn.

not even the CLs massive blast radius can hit me

[narrow harbor]

Cl40 is not overpowered in the slightest, just count to 4 and rush them… or high ground like trent said.

[sand monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-hes-right-you-know-hes-right-you-know-meme-gif-27526609

[narrow harbor]

This sniper nerf tho needs to come with some help at long range, add some notches to the scope or fix the pings so you can tell distance to target. Rn the long range fights are honestly comical, u can sidestep bullets as they come at you

[shell sonnet]

Which was the point
Limit excessive range usage

[narrow harbor]

It’s just too extreme. Have u seen the bullet speed at long range now?

[shell sonnet]

Admitteldy, i didnt

But even if its a little extreme, it can likely still be accounted for with experience

It makes it take a bit more skill and denies the extreme casuals from just sitting back at 200 meters, spamming shots and never interacting with anyone (including their own team)

[forest canopy]

nades good

[hazy spoke]

it is not possible to „use a bit more skill“ bc movement is too fast in this game and as soon as you get noticed at range them enemies will not move in a straigt line.
and this is coming from a sniper main that prob. played over 500 hours just sniper

[shell sonnet]

That was already the case back when it was all hitscan

Only difference now is that if you hide further, the enemy gets a better chance of avoid your shots

Forcing sniper to at least get somewhat close, allowing for better counterplay

[hazy spoke]

there is a large difference between the need to predict the players next jiggle and the need to predict THE NEXT 3 OF THEM. And there is also a big difference between forcing to get somewhat close and forcing to get IN BETWEEN 40 Meters TO GET OUTRANGED BY: Pike, All Medium Ars, Lh1, Akimbo deagle, Lewis and i propably forgot some. NOT TO FORGET that you even get outranged by weapons with damage falloff like revolver simply bc of the fact that you have 100 hp less.
Sorry but i can tell you definitely do not play sniper😂

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, hold on, im going to the shooting range rq

[hazy spoke]

and i also play against it but i know every time i die that ITS ON ME

[hazy spoke]

no way you get a picture from what i mean in the shooting range😂

[shell sonnet]

No but i want to get a feel for the projectile first of all

[hazy spoke]

still not compareable i also thought its not that bad as i tried it out in the shooting range first

[shell sonnet]

Im not trying to compare

[hazy spoke]

im saying since season 4 start just raise the hitscan distance and its all good. its not that in dont understand the need of this nerf but 40 METERS IS JUST FUCKING HILARIOUS

[shell sonnet]

Thing is, it kinda feels like its a pretty fast projectile

If the max hitscan range was bigger, it would need to be a slower projectile to have the same effect

But then you have a point where it suddenly becomes really slow, which would feel weird

Rather have it be a slight difference over a long area than a sudden big change

[hazy spoke]

lh1 is a joke too since nerf btw when compared with pike, akimbo deagle …

[hazy spoke]

it feels like that but its not. and i was in practice range often enough to tell that you cant even get to the range of >100meters while shooting a moving bot

and btw based on the fact that most fights happen in close quarters anyway. and i still and always shredded with the sniper in that range. i start to believe that people just cry over this weapon bc it has 230 dmg burst potential and they get wrecked by good players. I BET ONLY ABOUT 10% OF THE TIMES COMPLAINING PEOPLE GOT KILLED BY THE SNIPER WERE AT A REALLY LONG DISTANCE BUT SINCE THEYRE ASS ANYWAYS AND PROB WENT NEGATIVE IN THEIR ROUNDS THEY COME HERE AND CRYYYYYYYY

and then theres the people complaining about their teammates that just camp at one point and do nothing which is actually legit

[shell sonnet]

Meh, i do think its about range

You dont ever have a positive interactions with someone hiding on a far off crane

Recoil is too high to fight back
At most you get to deal chip damage to them which only makes them hide for like 6 seconds until they regen
This is not positive, you only went from bad to neutral

Staying inside is also not positive
You go from bad to neutral by staying inside
And then youre disallowed to go outside, be it to cross the street or capture a cashout, unless you want to be in a bad situation again

The only real chance you have to positively interact with them is to leave your teammates, run up to them (however long that takes) and fight them close up
Where they by nature have an easy time to escape
Leaving you with nothing for your efforts unless you waste even more time to chase them down

Just to be clear, the projectile didnt change this
Its still, technically, just as abuseable in all those situations
But what it did do is force most people into a closer (more interactible) range where you have a decent chance to fight back
And for the few that manage to be accurate with the projectile you still get to slightly counter by focusing on the projectile travel while trying to dodge, while still being able to blame high skill should you die to them

[crude garden]

Invis or Dash for dagger?

[polar trout]

Invis gets you one free kill if they aren't locked in, dashes let you get more kills but make it a bit harder

[polar trout]

But the real answer is obviously grapple

[grizzled plover]

you gotta listen to the ceo of ospuze

[crude garden]

hmmmm

[polar trout]

Then you can grapple onto the opps and pretend like it's attack on Titan and do a cool spin around trickstab

[crude garden]

My rank just upgraded

I've got 3 light builds for each spec so im trying to match weapons to specs

I already have sword for dash I just dont know what weapons are good for invis

[polar trout]

Dagger goes hard on grapple trust 🙏

[crude garden]

Still no embed you didnt see anything

[polar trout]

Xp, m11, db

(Laugh at this embed fail user)

[hazy spoke]

you would be completely right but there are just not so many positions in the game where you could pull the „hiding on a far off crane“ while the opposing team is forced to walk through open field. Syshorizon: not existent; Las Vegas: not existent; Monaco: only while the modificator with the destroyed church is active and even then you can cross on the sides of the map; kyoto: has a spot with wide open field but you are never forced to cross it with ZERO COVER. Skyway Stadium has the cranes but houses are so close to another that you are also not forced to walk on the open street for more than 3 seconds.
Seoul is the only map where you get forced to walk on open field while a sniper has the option to chill far away. but even then there is the option to drop the crane with one breach or 2 red barrels you guys just dont want to adapt bc it is something different.
i personally love to deal with them annoying snipers especially when they are actuall good players.
But i can understand the problem in seoul and in powershift in the factor of being annoying. But in every other mode than powershift, moments like in seoul on the crane are just sooo rare and having the benefit as a sniper at this one objective of a round will definitely not give the sniper the win.
TELL ME IM WRONG

[polar trout]

Esp now that the m11 gets a sight. Also lh1 instead of m11 might work

HOLY YAP

[crude garden]

[polar trout]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/778972739868426290/990688263343849512/FMpIDBxUUAIqq3G.gif

[hazy spoke]

guys please take it serious😂

[crude garden]

Find it funny how they likely postponed the CL40 nerf so the new skin can sell

[hazy spoke]

i mean i understand them with that but they NEED to act in the next update otherwise i believe people will raid their quarter😂

[crude garden]

Yeah Cl40 is annoying but I think the fix may be reducing the explosion size by just a bit and increasing self damage

[hazy spoke]

i take anything at this point

[hazy spoke]

speaking about adapting, i once played world tour emerald on monaco with my friends and switched to flamethrower in the final round. And what happened? Every cashout was on completely open field so im in a major disadvantage. but as i was by far the most advanced player in my team i told everyone to pick some goo barrels with them so we built a fortress at every objective to force them in my range. At the end we won the round 2:1 and i felt like the best player in the world. by far one of the best rounds i ever had because i took care of my major disadvantage so i could win the round.
PEOPLE JUST DONT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE MISSING BY NOT REALLY THINKING WHILE PLAYING AND JUST PLAY THIS GAME LIKE ITS A COD

THE STRATEGIC POSSIBILITIES ARE WHAT MAKES THE GAME TO THE BEST SHOOTER EVER EXISTED

[plain wasp]

Mmm gatewaying the cns heavy to in the sky above the cashout

[lilac terrace]

I know all the cool tactics I just can't execute it

[plain wasp]

Gateway and invisible bombing your team into the other can be quite effective too

It's worked for me atleast once and they usually don't expect you to fall out of the sky above them

[hazy spoke]

without good team coordination the most things are impossible. thats why i am light main bc you can do your own little tricks with it

[gritty swallow]

did they over buff it?

[lilac terrace]

I started feeling a bit guilty plating light at season two, now routing my way back into it cos v9s is still my favorite weapon

[last solar]

at least embark is honest about sbmm XD

[granite crescent]

Fr tho cl40 should have had it's hitbox nerfed when it got the damage buff, not hyper buffed

[restive plover]

Bro the gls are in need of a desperate nerf nearly %90 of top 500 lobbies or even lower there’s atleast 6 gls in the game, im a 3 stack all using aps and they only get rid of two shots and the cool down on them are to long so a team of 3gls just melt our ads, the map is pure havoc with non stop explosions on cashouts

legit, I just versed 3 teams all 3 using gl n turret

Homie I’d be blown to smithereens long before I could get close enough to there turrets

[plain wasp]

It's cl not gl

[restive plover]

Yet it’s still a gl boofhead

[granite crescent]

Gl stands for grenade launcher guy

[restive plover]

Is it not a grenade launcher?

my bad must’ve been mistaken it’s a Corn Launcher

[granite crescent]

@restive plover was replying to sonofdeath

[solid hedge]

would be nice to equip more than one skin and let it randomly rotate. like football, baseball, ayylmao, and billiard ball frags.

[restive plover]

delete cuz that’s a silly idea

[restive plover]

he’ll nah not gonna verse a heavy sledge with a alien outfit then a pink bunny then a brown bear then a robot suit

[polar trout]

It's so incredibly peak bro

I love it so much, it deletes setups with no effort

[supple basin]

What do you think of the right-click change? I have to relearn the entire weapon now

[ivory mauve]

does anyone here have an updated weapon dmg/ttk spreadsheet?

[restive plover]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ud7Rdl3AgMw9mmfDwW2LtDMnzZQ9IIhnqSE4ivsaMTs/edit?usp=drivesdk

[polar trout]

It's quite alright, I'm used to it as an avid sword enjoyer

[shrewd pecan]

now every noob is playing the grenade launcher m, ner it bro its to much damage for too little skill

[craggy rock]

Thanks!!

[rough carbon]

A sword in the stone skin for the sledgehammer but the stone is still attached so it's still a functional smashing weapon

[valid garnet]

Here me out a roll of coins as a throwing knife skin

[ivory mauve]

very awesomesauce ty

[blissful hull]

i would buy this instantaneously

i would love a claymore or just a heavy ass sword in general for heavy but this is an ok substitute

give heavy a guts sword

[rough carbon]

Pugil Sticks skin for the spear like American Gladiators

[blissful hull]

i wish they let you throw the spear

[copper sinew]

I'd much more prefer if right click gave you like 10% - 15% damage reduction to bullets

[pallid thorn]

and then what? just recall it like ur kratos himself? xD

also make it explode in their body when u recall

[lofty sky]

Why does the cl40 two shot lights but not the revolver?

Unless i hit a headshot

[digital saddle]

no one knows

[lofty sky]

I am playing sniper, and I get sniped by them and I cant see shit because of the dust. Something feel wrong

[versed inlet]

Anyone got light build suggestions? Like I mostly play medium and wanna give it a try

[tacit light]

🤣

Cool post history revolver kid

[cyan meteor]

lol what a clown

[tacit light]

my thoughts exactly reading your pages of crying

[wide swan]

lmao every message this guy has is about buffing the revolver or talking shit about people who disagree with buffing revolver

just wants to be a cowboy

[cyan meteor]

sem seeing your reactions

[last solar]

Of course not, you will have two spears in reserve (the third cant be thrown) and you have to click on them for 0.25 second to get them back

I had the same idea so im happy someone thought of it too

[fickle charm]

After spear throw you need to go get it. Meanwhile you can pummel them lights with your fists.

[fleet brook]

How close are you with a sniper? Mid range

CL has bad long range accuracy

[pallid thorn]

🤣

[rough carbon]

https://youtu.be/KIUx5D0lsGw?si=ybSTYw9Cys_L9o9k sword dash with the tracking dart as a long ranged finisher

[versed inlet]

thanks

[rough carbon]

You can do the double fisted tornado spin like Zangief

[rough carbon]

Can you put a sight on the m10?

I feel like that would be too good to be true

[pallid canopy]

I really want the light to get clones as an ability. I think it would make sense because they have 2 movement abelites and invis. but imagine being able to make a clone of one or your teammates to illude your opponents . im also very bias bc every game i play, i use a character with clones... also my pfp

[elder stream]

I think a titanfall style decoy (or whatever the ability is called) would be cool to use

[strange stream]

Thoughts on the light MP5 nerf? Does it need to do more damage at once or does light need to be more of a hit and run class where you cant kill a heavy with one mag?

[pallid canopy]

i think the mp5 is in a good spot, if anything the m11 needs something. 9/10 times you will see light running a m11 over the mp5

[safe valley]

yo embark pls nerf CL-40 and bring back healing beam 10 points cause 40hp per second is not enough 😭

[eternal lodge]

CL40 is the new rocket launcher ! FFS ... please do something

[supple trellis]

Where's the emerald gear?

[supple trellis]

☝️

[mellow gazelle]

Brain dead take not even comparable

[sweet thistle]

worst loadout I could imagine

[crystal garnet]

CL-40 should keep the dmg but make it more punishing to use. Slower fire rate, slower reload, and more self dmg

[mellow gazelle]

Tbh it should be 110 again. It’s already slow to reload, and ROF was nerfed this season. Self damage is 80 maybe raise it to 85 so you die in 3 shots point blank

[polar trout]

Holopilot

Ngl they should also add a jumppack

Hold to wallrun, also allows you to double jump

Limited fuel tho, so you aren't as speedy as TF2 movement but still get some fun options

[wanton glacier]

Is the CL-40 currently very powerful?
I haven't seen it for a long time now