💣┇weapons-gadgets

[plain wasp]

It'd suck

It's already not useful for good players

[thick sierra]

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[plain wasp]

No it did need the range nerf

[thick sierra]

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[plain wasp]

It has the same ttk as LH1 still

Before it was much faster

[thick sierra]

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[plain wasp]

It was kinda op before the nerf was justified

[thick sierra]

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[exotic skiff]

the dmg nerf was not necessary

[thick sierra]

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[exotic skiff]

xp lose to medium even before nerf

[shut bane]

Xp damage for its range was pretty nuts to be fair

[exotic skiff]

The only problem was the range but bad player complain about it somehow

[thick sierra]

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[shut bane]

It’s not bad rn, though m11 Is probably better

[thick sierra]

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[shut bane]

Well, it’s probably the xp’s turn to be the off meta pick for this patch, other light weapons got just as good

M11 with its sight, 93r is crazy nice now

[thick sierra]

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[shut bane]

That’s not a problem though, xp kind of overshadowed those before

[jade violet]

AKM must nerf damage to 18

20 is too much for a easy control weapon

[thick sierra]

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[jade violet]

or buff some AKM recoil

[thick sierra]

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[shut bane]

It could be fine tuned if they wanted, if anything it’s just a chance for lights to use a different weapon for the meantime

[thick sierra]

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[shut bane]

You still can but it won’t be as good for now

[thick sierra]

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[shut bane]

It is what it is

[thick sierra]

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[fleet brook]

Trash is crazy

[thick sierra]

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[fleet brook]

It's not a beam weapon from 20+M

Doesn't mean it's trash

The only person who should have a medium to long range game is Medium and ig sniper light

XP 54 could beam you from far out

[thick sierra]

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[plucky spade]

What a goofy goober

[fleet brook]

Why should light the flank class have a mid range game?

That's like heavy having a long range weapon

They did it was promptly needed to have god awful recoil

[fleet brook]

Can you explain why I'm wrong in not liking light the class who's identity is a glass cannon flanker having a mid range game?

When mid range weaponry is medium's identity mid to long range

The only long range weapon light has had is the sniper

If either of you could give a legitimate point it'd make sense

[thick sierra]

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[fleet brook]

@sand monolith you're a light player (we've had a lot of discussions around light) am I incorrect?

[fleet brook]

Yes having beam weapons with little recoil is fun

That's why people enjoyed the lewis gun

[thick sierra]

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[fleet brook]

"Light shouldn't have mid to long range beam weapons"

"Why do you hate the weapon and want it to be bad"

Waffles and pancakes

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[fleet brook]

Should heavy have a mid to long range weapon?

[thick sierra]

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[fleet brook]

Fair at least you're consistent

[thick sierra]

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[desert bough]

Does anyone have a weird + on their red dots?

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[plucky spade]

Because the xp-54 was severely overperforming even against lh1 which is also mid range you doofus

[fleet brook]

You don't see an issue in a smg outperforming a dmr which is a dedicated range weapon

I was never a huge fan of light having a dmr but it was never oppressive and required a little bit of skill and had enough time to respond for most classes so I never complained

[plucky spade]

Besides if you really talking about a midrange flanker, you're supposed to have the drop on people. Xp-54 was killing people on 1v1s straight up

Close and midrange

[fleet brook]

I think you're confused do you think I'm super pro XP or against it

[plucky spade]

Yes pro xp

[fleet brook]

I'm not ?

[plucky spade]

Did i miss something?
Maybe i replied to wrong message

[silk cargo]

ight whats the beef here

[plucky spade]

Mb
Apolocheeses

[fleet brook]

Someone called the XP 54 trash

I said it okay it can't beam from 20+ M they got defensive

[fleet brook]

It's cool

[silk cargo]

it should be changed back to 18 and get a range nerf

[plucky spade]

Yea the bad takes in this channel really rot my mind

[fleet brook]

Also hike brings up a good point

I never thought about the fact that it was outperforming the dedicated dmr

[silk cargo]

or make it do like 22 damage but have 20 bullets

[fleet brook]

Or damage fall off not super severe but like it need some

[silk cargo]

12m falloff

[fleet brook]

I think it's crazy how giving a weapon a scope can make such a difference

But it was mostly the lack of recoil+ a scope

[silk cargo]

which weapon are u talking abt

or do u mean the fact that xp came with a scope

[plucky spade]

Yeah that's a weapon problem usually

[fickle radish]

Scope makes somehow easier to control recoil. At least on M60 looks like the gun has no recoil anymore

[fleet brook]

XP

[plucky spade]

Like a weapon has to feel good, esp when it's a primary, and then be balanced around other hard/soft stats

If a weapon feels god awful to use, expect 0 casual play on it

[shell sonnet]

What if light had a gadget that lets them choose their respawn point?

A light could get back into fights quicker to offset their low survivability, perhaps it would allow light to jump back in and deny a steal while the team is at the brink of a wipe to delay it just that little bit longer

Not sure if thats a good idea though, it might be problematic in a casual enviroment

Perhaps it could give off some noise while active, so a team knows to expect the risk should they not seek it out to destroy it

It would end up being being the only item with limited uses though because of limited coins...

[sage portal]

Getting some custumization to our current weapons is a cool idea thx embark 😘

[potent pawn]

So.... the LH1 is absolutely busted again... WOOOO

[shut bane]

its always been a great weapon

busted though, i doubt it unless the player has good aim

[plain wasp]

Yeah I've been using it since 45 damage and it's always been good

[pine cedar]

Here me out toilet paper skin for the throwing knives

[plain wasp]

Hammer and nails skin for throwing knives

[north snow]

how does light with sword 1tap

[pine cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/peggy-hill-door-toilet-paper-throw-get-out-gif-9866118906825434659

[plain wasp]

Lunge + qm

[north snow]

found a guy who was doing it consistently, 100-0 on medium

[pine cedar]

Oh u can’t do gifs darn

[north snow]

that aint right,

[plain wasp]

Probably phantom strikes in that case

[north snow]

the sub human light players are continuing too be a menace upon honest hard working medium and heavy players, they are in league with the devil and we suffer the consequences of their foul deeds

[pine cedar]

NONONONO THE CHANCLA 🩴 AS THROWING KNIVES

[north snow]

a infestation upon us, a plague of rats, a cancer we must cut out

sign my petition too euthenize anyone who selects light class

[crisp heart]

I accidentally did a phantom strike with the dagger in training when testing out how detrimental the backstab is.

I guess it's a thing with charging weapons

[tulip portal]

Copium

[wary crescent]

Hey can someone drop a devs name for me so I can message them. I have a problem with my koi skin for the m11. It shows fish swimming in barrel on preview but in game the barrel is just silver. Idk if they have fixed this in the past couple day but it's something I would t have bought if I would have known I couldn't see the animation in game.

[crisp heart]

Oh no, people are actually using lights and winning games! Surely this isn't what the devs intended, is it?

[wary crescent]

Lol yeah@crisp heart it's like people are mad that people are using lights as intended 😂 they are literally a class focused around DPS, and scouting like any squishy movement class

[plain wasp]

Probably just put that in bug reports

I assume they look there a lot

[wary crescent]

@plain wasp ty I just joined discord a couple mins ago 🙏

I don't see a bug reports option? In discord?

[novel helm]

What’s a good weapon for light class

[wary crescent]

@novel helm the pistol shreds

[crisp heart]

93r

[novel helm]

Cuz like I usually use the m18 or sniper

[wary crescent]

@novel helm 🤣🤣 don't listen to @crisp heart he is trying to troll 😂

[plain wasp]

LH1

[wary crescent]

@novel helm m11 is great

[crisp heart]

93r best weapon

[plain wasp]

Yeah in the discord

[wary crescent]

@crisp heart I love when I see someone good with it but it's crazy underpowered

[plain wasp]

There's a section called report section but you might have to enable it in channels and roles

[crisp heart]

Use the knife, the 1 hit is OP

They buffed it too

[wary crescent]

@plain wasp I don't see a single option for bug reports and they have a long number they said you can DM directly and it doesn't work and says nobody exists.

[crisp heart]

Go to channels and roles, find report section, hit the check if it isn't checked

[sinful dagger]

I personally would recommend the 93R. Has one of the best ttks in the game and feels great to play 👍

Only draw back is range

[novel helm]

So it’s just like a shotgun

[sinful dagger]

It's a burst fire pistol

[novel helm]

Ik im just saying the range is equal to a shotgun

[crisp heart]

Yes

[shell sonnet]

I wonder if so many players are complaining about guns because every skill level has been reset back to copper

[oak stream]

Does anyone know if the Baseball Bat comes with its own animations?

[fickle lion]

hello, I have a bug since seson 3, if anyone could help me I would really appreciate it

[oak stream]

#1201841543926005810

[swift terrace]

nice

[pure salmon]

Persobaly, i dont like the light class. But if you get the learning curve down all guns are good

[lavish current]

I love swapping from grenade to flash

[pulsar sage]

whats good for light atm?

[cold gyro]

m11 and if you want burst one of the shotguns ig double kills faster but the other one gets more bullets if you mess up.

[soft shale]

The SH1900 needs good aim and good use of evasive dash. Very short range, 2 rounds, 2 sec reload, it requires you to literally jump at people's faces, fire and move away immediately to reload.

High risk high reward gun.

[shut bane]

just dash lol

maybe even a vanishing bomb

[final merlin]

what even is meta?

[keen island]

2 cl-40 users and a .50 akimbo heavy honestly is insane

[final merlin]

oh shiiiiiiiii

[final merlin]

low key might try that

[icy sparrow]

@broken notch u need to throw orange and green barrel at enemies and then use cl40 to make it useful with load out frag,flash,gas mine and turret for the most toxic load out lol💥

[nimble geyser]

add iron sights to the sniper rifle

[icy sparrow]

Yes

[calm turtle]

How’s the new light shotgun?

[icy sparrow]

@hazy spoke be a little specific on the first point

BOTH single tap and hold/charge backstab

[burnt canyon]

It's like the model but with movement

[calm turtle]

Is it as good though?

[icy sparrow]

Did the dash get a slight buff I can’t tell

[shut bane]

dont think so

[burnt canyon]

Same playstyle but different risk because low health, different kit

[tranquil siren]

I wish melee weapons were more viable. Sledge is the only one that is usable at higher levels and sword is good but still worse than a gun. The rest are awful. They’re so high risk low reward. Aside from my baby sledge.

[strong gust]

sledge the goat

(i cant aim)

[novel helm]

Sniper the goat

(I also can’t aim)

[hardy dust]

Its alright

[icy sparrow]

U don’t know super dash like dashing immediately after releasing sword lunge or slide near enemy and lunge quick melee combo one shot light players

[hardy dust]

Sledge is just barely higher than sword and only because of winch

But sword requires a lot more skill to use well

Sledge was never meta though

[burnt canyon]

Only thing sledge needs to be meta is a barrier like riot has, but without taking the winch off

[hardy dust]

Dunno abt that

[tranquil siren]

Yes I do lol. Sword is good but still has the downside of requiring all your spec to be good and having to get in their face meaning you’re taking more damage, out in the open, and don’t have range so you can’t poke and get countered by stun. Double barrel and M11 can do the same thing but better in most cases. Not saying sword is bad tho, I think sword and hammer are good. Could just use a tiny bit of love, the others need major help lmao.

[hardy dust]

Not having any range is a really big downside, and they're never gonna give sledge that (it makes no sense)

[burnt canyon]

In a game about defence you don't need to rush everyone in order to succeed, rn sledge is good if you get the drop but it's either winch for kills or mesh's limited sustain

[tranquil siren]

Yeah that’s what I’m saying melee weapons deserve high reward and I think sledge is the only one that truly has it. Sword is close but relies too much on spec and teamwork or soloing people out which is hard at high levels.

[hardy dust]

But its not gonna be meta, just good

[keen island]

its more playstyle if anything, if you know angles and all that range doesnt really matter because your already up close before they do anything

[hardy dust]

Id say sword has it, but not sledge if you use winch. Its low skill, higher reward (excluding higher lobbies).

[burnt canyon]

I'm NGL the reason riot isn't good is cuz it takes too long to kill someone up close for a trade, sledge murders fast once you get in

[hardy dust]

Its because medium has no gap closing

Riot damage is fine, especially since you can block a lot of incoming damage while still hitting them

Its just theres no way to gap close and you still get hard countered by a lot of things

[burnt canyon]

Tbf I've never had an issue dealing with riots since s2 lol when their attack comes out they become vulnerable

[tranquil siren]

Yeah the counter to medium melees is run it’s that easy lol. Riot has a lot of issues tho imo.

[burnt canyon]

Sledge's fk me up tho and they don't have any kind of invulnerability

[tranquil siren]

I just hope at some point embark looks at melee weapons and helps them out a bit.

We can’t even run while swinging them. The only one that should apply to us sledge imo

[burnt canyon]

I do believe if melee becomes goated, there's gonna be a time where you will not want to run ranged weapons in cashout due to how confined a lot of the defending areas are

[icy sparrow]

https://youtu.be/3QJt3CVWIG0?si=bwnJyK5n0_OCW2iW

[burnt canyon]

Unless we get a hell of a lot of diversity in arena destruction or more cashout manipulation like how winch pulls it, it's gonna be a weird meta

[hardy dust]

If melee becomes meta, the balance in this game will be really screwed over. Having them be a bit better would be nice though

[hardy dust]

The entire loadout got nerfed

[icy sparrow]

Just dash got nerfed

[tranquil siren]

I don’t think they’ll ever overshadow ranged weapons. Having range is a huge benefit. And you can open walls and manipulate cashout making melee less good. But having one melee weapon on a squad could be decent without throwing the balance out of whack.

[hardy dust]

Stun -> no gadgets + ads, glitch nade -> 10s to 5s, invis bomb -> super visible while moving + less duration, dash -> 1s more cd per charge

[burnt canyon]

If you've played against 3 or 2 sword dash users in a squad that are good you'll understand why ranged weapons like fcar just don't matter against the DPS swordfishing gives in a small area

Another + to the model

[hardy dust]

Then you go up against a good squad that can aim with fcar and they die

Against good aim sword gets screwed a lot

[fickle radish]

Sword is good only on casual. I mean it can be strong, but it's still weak against valid team comps

[hardy dust]

Yep

[burnt canyon]

Wish there was a spectator que so I can watch matches and scope for players who are good, I've seen leaderboard players running 3x dash sword steamroll entire lobbies with sword

[hardy dust]

Thats also kinda light in general

[burnt canyon]

But it's also funny to remember that C&S does 10 less damage than a sword lunge and gets the damage immediately with the option of jump slam or the glitch that can 280 a player instantly

[fickle radish]

Ok but can they do that consistently against players on their same ELO? Cause one thing is melting on WT or just normal cash out, another thing is melting an winning while playing against players at their same level or closer to their level

[burnt canyon]

I'm sure the player Michael Jackson and his squad can do it lmao they were crazy

Problem is you can't watch a player beyond playing your match if they don't stream

The irony of melee is that the class is meant to get in and disrupt using natural cover or I guess goo? And cause issues so that the focus from the other team is on them, and they have the tools for it rn but it's not good because riot is the only one that can be a proper distraction but not enough of a threat to pressure teams that are close

Either make it so melee takes less damage/has a damage invulnerability like riot has, or a gimmick that makes it harder to hit you and you'll have meta melee

The reasons dual blades are bad rn show exactly what is wrong with melee

[hardy dust]

Melee meta probably wont be good

[burnt canyon]

It won't be healthy, but for the people who complain ab it being bad really need to look at dual blades

[hardy dust]

Because it has a different learning curve, and if something is worth taking that whole alternate curve or that can avoid it, its probably bad balance

[burnt canyon]

Objectively duals have everything they need to be good, it's the damage and weird deflect registration that makes them bad

[hardy dust]

But melee could definitely use small (or some big) buffs

[hardy dust]

Its that there's no way to gap close and having range is just better

[burnt canyon]

Why would you close the gap on duals when you do shit for damage up close anyway

You have to trade 55 and not take more than that when you get close

3 swings just to kill a medium meanwhile you are taking most likely more damage than that from who ur suppose to kill

Riot just needs to have a glitch/stun effect on its baton to be buffed into a strong state

[tranquil siren]

If melee got anywhere near close enough to be in the meta it wouldn’t be that bad, it would probably be one melee weapon per team. A whole stack wouldn’t be too successful. And considering every class has two and might get more, I’d say they should be at least close to viable.

[burnt canyon]

I can think of 2 ways to make riot better that wouldn't outright make it op

[tranquil siren]

I don’t think they need invulnerability that would be bad for the game. Aside from riot obviously. But they need built in tools to get in or out or get utility out of it.

[burnt canyon]

Invul is just a way to say, they need a way to get in without straight up getting fried

[tranquil siren]

Like somehow we’re ok with the double barrel that has range and, at melee distance, has insane TTK.

[burnt canyon]

Well it's cuz light health

Which ironically the SA is better than double and it never gets hit with the complaints being minimal after s2

[tranquil siren]

My point was if we’re cool with DB and SA then we should buff melees. They just outperform them rn.

Melees have more risk than those with less reward and flexibility.

[burnt canyon]

Even a movement speed bonus on melee users would probably be too much rn

[tranquil siren]

Nah they at least need to be able to swing while running. I hate being punished for not getting the exact range the lock on lunge kicks in

[burnt canyon]

The amount of heavies that lunge and get free kills against other players running is where I don't even think movement is a good idea, cuz that's just for the slowest class not including the fasters

Then light will zoom around and players will complain about invis again

[tranquil siren]

That’s niche for the sledge tho and I already said sledge shouldn’t get it because of the burst potential. People wouldn’t complain about invis because it’s gotten so many nerfs and starting attacks gets rid of it. It would be almost unchanged.

[burnt canyon]

Bro people still complain about invis rn

[tranquil siren]

That’s their problem. It’s so insanely loud and has a huge cost so you can’t spam it.

[burnt canyon]

You can summarize each class' melee weapons with a few words each - L: niche but strong M: non issue H: Disruptive

If memory serves right, they do not preform any different than melee did in cod games minus heavy destruction in the map

Cloak is p good w it

Thermal is good if you see alot of lights in match

Thermal/frag/goo and pick your 3rd gadget based on team comps you see loading into a match for counter

[inner current]

awesome

[inner current]

lol

[burnt canyon]

Commando pro does not exist, it can't hurt you

[inner current]

why is that

[burnt canyon]

Suppressed trauma

[inner current]

im trama

lol

[misty axle]

Personally, I'd suggest going for Dash/Grapple since the skill ceiling is higher and it gives you mobility.
Any damage will uncloak you, so running away without that mobility hurts you in the long run.

And it's really easy to see cloaked players when they're moving.

[crystal garnet]

Deagles are fine, Pike is OP. Please nerf

[misty axle]

idk

Being 4 shot by heavies kinda sucks.
It's like a shotgun without the downside of limited range

The Pike is also absurd - Pre nerf LH1, but on Medium

[plain wasp]

You mean 3.0 LH1, it has been balanced other than that

[misty axle]

Should the character with twice as much HP, have the same weapons?

Well, 67% more

[icy sparrow]

Needs a range nerf for sure and the ks need a buff

Also ks slugs should go through walls with reduced damage of course and a bigger bullet hit box

[misty axle]

Why even is the KS a projectile?

[icy sparrow]

💥Auto cross for heavy and u can climb on top of the bolts https://youtu.be/LN1j3w0zchU?si=7g8onmgiaC2Qs8Fs

[spiral pilot]

i think the pike is strong but could use a tiny tiny ROF nerf

[icy sparrow]

@covert drift like me

U need to throw orange and green barrel at enemies and then use cl40 to make it useful with load out frag,flash,gas mine and turret for the most toxic load out lol💥💀💥

@vale stratus ☝️

[boreal laurel]

I made an IMO tier list—any thoughts?

• S: AKM, FAMAS, Pike 556, Model 1887, M60, Lewis Gun, .50 Akimbo, M11, XP-54, V9S, LH1
• A: CL-40, Sledgehammer, SA1216, Throwing Knives, M26 Matter
• B: FCAR, R.357, KS-23, Flamethrower, SR-84, SH1900, Sword, Recurve Bow
• C: Riot Shield, Dual Blades, MGL-32, Dagger
• D: Spear, 93R

[plain wasp]

93r should be in S

[boreal laurel]

🤣

[eternal pier]

if that much weapons are S tier, embark are doing great haha

[sudden leaf]

M26 only a?

[boreal laurel]

IKR, I actually really like the meta so far

[eternal pier]

yeah, me too brothar me too

[sudden leaf]

So lh1 above matter?

[boreal laurel]

I haven’t seen hardly anyone using it so I really don’t know about it. I’d believe that it was S if I saw how good it was. I don’t even own it yet though 😄

[long wraith]

Tips on how to fight heavies with akimbos as light? Stungun only option?

[eternal pier]

is the R.357 in B tier right there that Medium revolver ? 🤔

[sudden leaf]

I really like it with dash 👨‍🍳🤌

[boreal laurel]

Gotta try that once I buy it 👌

[sudden leaf]

Omg if pike didn't have ans iron sight it's would have been so baddd

[boreal laurel]

And yes it is 😄 not because it’s bad, just that it’s hard and the Pike is better

[icy sparrow]

💥Auto cross for heavy and u can climb on top of the bolts https://youtu.be/LN1j3w0zchU?si=7g8onmgiaC2Qs8Fs

[eternal pier]

yeah the revolver is an emotion, really fun though..hey about the m26 man a L carried us today with that

[icy sparrow]

New weapon idea💥(fanning revolver)
Get a medium range projectile based slug single action revolver for light that is one tap when u aim however close range (hipfire only)u can do a 3 tap trick for it to do a 3 round burst it look really cool u can see it in YouTube https://youtube.com/shorts/Cm3Hi4rw-rk?si=jJrYVQs28mfSnGWE

[eternal pier]

absurd ! I wouldn't even sleep if we had this one

[icy sparrow]

Light gets it

[fringe sun]

just not tryna spam hi in every chat

[icy sparrow]

@silver socket #💣┇weapons-gadgets message

[dense dragon]

Lets go

now?

[ashen slate]

93r is pretty alright rn actually i would put it in B or at least C
FCAR is a definite C tier gun
DB is also definitely D tier

[obsidian spindle]

Darn you DinkleBerg 👿👿

[torpid radish]

Yooo just played my first game powershift with the cl40 and never felt this toxic.

[fallen perch]

93R should have a scope the other pistols do and they are alredy more effective than the 93R. the revolver an silenced pstol are strongen guns and they get a scope

[young lava]

Akimbos punish aggressive lights who get up too close to a heavy’s face. You have mobility options to throw off their aim

[silver socket]

i assume light players acting like children over cl40 while they have . sowrd , dagger one stab , sniper long distance stun invisibility and dash you name it , skill issue buddy

[plain wasp]

"Acting like children" - 1 misspelling, many grammar issues, no capitalisation

[spiral pilot]

anyone agree that the V9s is probably lights best weapon now? having a red dot on it makes it ALOT better

[boreal laurel]

It's always been low-key OP but now it's definitely more obvious

[spiral pilot]

i agree i always felt ppl should rate it higher

[violet cosmos]

How can you complain about daggers? Being even a little iffy about them is a super skill issue, same with sword. Heavy and mediums have anti light weapons or tactics, just be smart instead of brainlessly taking all engagements the same way and expecting to win.

[violet cosmos]

It hasn't been OP since beta, the XP has always been easier to use and still is. V9S is more usable now that its competition is worse but its not the same still.

[lime nacelle]

flashbangs seem doo doo, what about a turret of sorts that will blind a player when first seeing it

[young lava]

Dagger is bad, invis you can see good if you have eyes, all lights melees you have to play good with. Otherwise you die. Sniper is hit or miss (cl40)

[violet cosmos]

heavy remains the one class reason to never be close range

you just have to fuck up once and charge/slam will gib you right away

[fallen shard]

if you wanna play legit UNINSTALL this game right now ONLY HACKERS PLAY THIS or 50 iq monkey bots...it's sad but true , if you have a shimmer of brain uninstall otherwise welcome to hell gaming most unfair trap that looks good but it's horrible

[sinful obsidian]

They should probably nerf sword damage (:

[bitter kindle]

Anyone got a throwing knife loadout

[burnt canyon]

Just surprised the dualies have dmr accuracy when aimed lol

What if we give dual blades an ability to blind players who look directly at it when blocking like a glint so it makes direct approach easier but not too easy (only in sunlight outdoors)

[silver socket]

nerf nerf nerf nerf babies

stungun need to switch to medium

[pine grail]

Lol someone lost a ranked match

[eager wasp]

I think you need to take a DEEP breath, and PRACTICE more, to get BETTER at the game, and then you won't THINK that there are that many HACKERS in the game :)

[fair raptor]

is it just me or the new light shotgun is garbage

[lime nacelle]

not the best but pretty good ngl

[fair raptor]

why would i use it over the double barrel tho

[misty axle]

It's okay and more reliable than the double barrel, but you can't really use it past 12m

[misty axle]

You have 8 rounds instead of 2.
You have a longer effective range.
You can do more than assassinate 1 person with both your rounds and be forced to run and reload.

[fair raptor]

doesn't help when it doesn't do enough to kill

[misty axle]

It's a pretty reliable 3 shots kill against medium at a decent range compared to the DB.
If they're not full HP, a point blank hit will 2 shot.

[uncut apex]

you can db even a heavy with just 2 shots??

[hardy dust]

195 dmg per shot

[uncut apex]

yeah just a weird statements from the other guy

[lime nacelle]

kinda wish they would buff the pike, 2 hit heavys, 0 hit lights

[hardy dust]

Yeah its a bit weak rn.

[merry fulcrum]

I think using it as a peppering weapon alongside your teammates is where you find the most efficiency; I also wipe full teams with it, so I don't find its damage to be lacking when closing distance and implementing quick melee; also really good with catching escapes because of the longer range

[weak kernel]

the mass doesn't have the sheer jumpscare factor of the DB but it gets to be more forgiving and less specialized in exchange, which is probably a good place for it to occupy. It's not insane but I like using it

[scarlet escarp]

It’s Good In My Book

[merry fulcrum]

yeah this is a good way to sum it up. I like the middle ground it has been filling and it's helped round out my light playstyle

[scarlet escarp]

Does What It’s Supposed To, And Is Less Punishing Than The SH, But Less Rewarding In The Short Term As Well, Good Trade Off And Middle Ground To Fulfill

Medium Risk Medium Reward Weapons Are Better For Balance Anyway

[forest linden]

buff pike

[merry fulcrum]

The iron sights on FCAR make this gun much easier to work with, don't feel as obstructed with them. Very grateful Embark 🙏

[icy sparrow]

@pulsar grove lol this might be a weird but I would like a karate hand dagger skin,like u do karate chops primary attack and a hand thrust stab,hard to explain u get the idea.

An audio emote hiiiyaaaaa

[pine grail]

I wish the dualies were slightly more forgiving

they are like the best and the worst depending on if you hit heads or not and I wish it was more forgiving

[misty axle]

I feel like the 2x headshot multi is excessive.
I'd give the hipfire a bit better spread and drop the headshots to 1.5x like most other guns

[pine grail]

I wish it had slightly less headshot and then slightly more body

It would be more fun then cuz hitting one heady isn’t death and missing one isn’t a loss for you

[warped prism]

give fcar a damage buff by 1 point

23 damage would make it at least debatable with the other ars

[icy sparrow]

💥Auto cross for heavy and u can climb on top of the bolts https://youtu.be/LN1j3w0zchU?si=7g8onmgiaC2Qs8Fs

[boreal laurel]

Are we talking dual blades or the Deagles here?

[pine grail]

Dualies

[pine grail]

Sword can’t headshot

[boreal laurel]

Can’t dual blades get headshot multiplier by reflecting into the opponent’s head?

[pine grail]

How does that work in this conversation if it depends on the gun reflected

[boreal laurel]

IDK 😄 just trying to catch up with terminology. To me they’re Deagles

[crisp heart]

Wow, is increasing reach from 5m to 6m and having a slightly faster dash really that strong for the sword? It just plays the same as last season.

[crisp heart]

Yeah, deagles are fine, dualies are a weird new term

[tidal echo]

Alright guys, does anyone know the falloff for the Akimbo .50 Deagles? I swear they're putting out full damage at like 40 meters.

[small bloom]

https://youtu.be/-Mj5g6KWTiI?si=YuEkKNbGwADJsWOb
This is concept video of ability on light class
It call's WALL PASSAGE
How does this thing work:
There are two charges available. When you press the ability button, it activates it for 1,5 seconds, spending a charge. During the active action, the character has the opportunity to pass through obstacles: walls, objects, barricades, doors. When passing through an obstacle, you cannot use other gadgets and main weapons. After passing through an obstacle, the effect of blindness and slowing down for 0,5 seconds is applied. If the character is in the wall after the time of using the charge, then he will be pushed to the nearest surface. The charge is rolled back for 8 seconds.

This season, the players were surprised that Embarks did not add any abilities for classes. So I offer you my idea.

[pulsar grove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLQEi62oqsY

[crisp heart]

Are you sure they're not just hitting your head? It's a 2x on crit

[tidal echo]

I was under the impression guns couldn't headshot once they start damage falloff.

[unkempt root]

Don’t change the dagger 🙏

After only a few games I am literally going crazy with it

[shadow onyx]

Yo what if instead of Deagles, they we're called Deagans and they Hawk Tuahed on the enemies.

[tidal echo]

I'm pretty sure they start damage falloff at 40 meters, actually. That's wild, why does heavy have a DMR now?

In comparison, the Pike and the LH1 has about 50 meters until damage falloff.

[icy sparrow]

Lol just a normal downward karate chop will do

@restive plover u understand now #👂┇game-feedback message

[icy sparrow]

What happened?

[sand monolith]

Fall off starts at 37.5m it’s ridiculous

[tidal echo]

37.5... that's wild.

[sand monolith]

Especially for heavy lmao

I think it’s overtuned intentionally to be fun to use on launch so I have hopes the range will be tuned back soon. Everything else about the weapon is fine though

But yeah there’s a reason tank classes never have range in class/hero shooters

[tidal echo]

I think it's a really cool weapon, but it should not have longer range than the FCAR. (Also the FCAR kinda sucks now that a lot of guns have sights)

[sand monolith]

Yeah literally my only issue is the range

[boreal laurel]

Gonna say, it really doesn’t need a nerf except for falloff range

[sand monolith]

Up close the weapon plays perfect

[sand monolith]

Yeah 100% they did really well with this weapon

I think it could actually use a spread buff if it got a range nerf

Sometimes I swear it’s just flying 90 degrees to my side

[clear briar]

Famas just feels like it’s missing something. At least on controller

[tidal echo]

Really? I've loved how the Famas plays with the new sights. My only problem is that it doesn't feel different enough from the FCAR, AK, and Pike. (I'm on PC though)

[clear briar]

I use irons

[crisp heart]

I wonder how the high elos are using mesh shields now. Surely theres a different way to use them aside from shield juggling

[clear briar]

It feels like it can just barely compete against other medium options

[tidal echo]

Why's that? It may just be my inner Rainbow 6 players, but I find irons to block a lot of my screen.

[tidal echo]

It might just be that burst fire recoil is harder on controller than it is on computer.

[sand monolith]

We aren’t

We are using charge and it’s miserable

[livid viper]

556 is lowkey op

[clear briar]

It felt perfect before the last recoil nerf they did to it

[livid viper]

Model needs a falloff nerf asap

[arctic fog]

They need to buff or rework the fcar because red dot ak is objectively better

[sand monolith]

Mesh is probably the worst spec on heavy right now. Even goo gun is better

[tidal echo]

It's sad, really. Mesh's fall from grace.

[crisp heart]

Damn, I guess shield juggling is it's only use

[arctic fog]

It might not have suffered quite as bad if they hadn't nerfed the health to 500

[clear briar]

I just prefer them

Famas recoil currently just feels like it rattles a bit much compared to how it used to be

[sand monolith]

They didn’t

That was only in the preview

[arctic fog]

Oh ok

[lime nacelle]

they could add a bayonet gadget that would attach to a primary for mediums doing more dmg

[crisp heart]

They should add a skin for the quick melee. Instead of using your elbow, your contestant will pull out a knife or something

[tidal echo]

I think a bayonet charge would be a funny gadget, a little like heavy's charge but with a single, charge-ending melee hitbox.

[arctic fog]

That would be awesome. I need one that's just like a face slap.

[fleet brook]

I think they're a high skill reward weapon because if you hit the body they're meh to bad

[fleet brook]

Can't really shield juggle with the CD

[crisp heart]

That's the point of the cd. To prevent shield juggling

[crisp heart]

Man, look at all the people joining in to complain about the cl.
They should've made it focusing more on direct hits and less on indirect (missed) AoE damage. That's what the MGL is for.

[icy sparrow]

@restive plover the timing will be fixed when it’s one tap and then if u hold then it’s primed

Remember u won’t be slow if u don’t hold but u have the option to

[boreal laurel]

Does anyone here still use winch or sledge? Or have the Deagles claimed everyone?

[echo hazel]

Medium grenade launcher needs a nerf

[burnt canyon]

P sure balise would be able to answer how heavy mesh is playing rn or not playing

[jovial yarrow]

weapons

[weak kernel]

they kinda did that, the gun has bad TTK and terrible TTK on splash shots. If you want to kill people yourself you need to land multiple directs. So satisfying to do it though

I think it's in a decent place, it emphasizes direct hits but you can clean people up with splash like you'd want out of a grenade launcher

[echo hazel]

ct still feels broken though. Just the fact that I'm seeing squads of 3 mediums spamming it and winning should make that clear

[hybrid rose]

Fall off starts at 37.5m ??

[dense oasis]

Can we get a slight white spot at the center of the red dot? Being red/green color blind makes it a bit tough to make out at times

[arctic compass]

I use it as an off pick still but if need to lock in u just switch to Charge deagles

[grizzled plover]

why did they buff the light sword

[clear briar]

It is ridiculously hard to hit optimal ttk with it. Feels like headshots are all but mandatory and hitting moving targets is sometimes next to impossible since you do next to no damage if only one shot in the burst hits

[pine cedar]

Make m60 feel less like a squirt gun when shooting plz

[clear briar]

Might just be my sensitivity settings idk

[sage portal]

totally agree, less splash damage and less amunition before recharge but needs a nerf

[torn mantle]

what loadouts work well for ranked? (H/M, since light is still out of it)

[grizzled plover]

ive been running pike/ak for medium with healing/demat and jump pad and defib so far with a flex slot for a gadget

[torn mantle]

Alright, tnx

[craggy crystal]

is the dps on the mine nerf?

[fickle radish]

Probably heavy with charge or goo, M60 and sight, dome shield, barricade and rpg or c4.
Medium with heal as always with akm or picke without sight, jumpad/zip, defib and a gadget like nades, goo or whatever

[halcyon briar]

Hi guys I'm a new player in this game, can someone tell me how can I kill someone with hands in short range. I saw many players are using this but I can not see this option. Please help 🙏

[spice vigil]

its quick melee i assume, you can find the key under keybinds i forgot the default one (maybe C, V, or B?)

[tacit zinc]

after all the nerfs applied to the RPG, it might be good to reduce or remove the damage done to oneself.

[arctic compass]

I just want its old handling back 😭

[tacit zinc]

Yep only one, and damages nerf

[fickle radish]

Default is V

[tacit zinc]

I don't understand the accumulation of nerfs on shields, either we nerf the HP, or the duration, or the activation. nerfing the whole thing is like totally destroying the build. the dome shield can't be reduced to 300 and 5s, or it's 500hp and 5s or 300HP and no lifespan. there are enough gadgets to counter that. now the Heavy ends up with a barely controllable charge n slam and a goo gun that becomes useless... all the tanky side of the character has disappeared.

[fickle radish]

I think they never wanted heavy to be a fortify class

[dry fable]

He still has 350HP tho, but it's true that now the 2 shields are much weaker. I'd love to see a buff for the dome shield, not higher HP just longer lifespan

[spark igloo]

dome is perfect rn but the mesh didnt need to be taken out back and shot

[fickle radish]

this

[halcyon briar]

Found 👍

[tulip grove]

The unbroken shield use cooldown just needs to be reduced to a level where it can't be spammed, but also where it doesn't feel like you're being punished for using it reactively. Then it'd be fine.

[spark igloo]

The changes should be completely reverted. Mesh was good but not unhealthy or incredibly oppressive. It was a solid counter against long range, had a high skill ceiling, had lots of counters, and encouraged team play

[tulip grove]

Winch Claw and Charge lowkey can counter a Mesh Shield Heavy so I get your view on the matter. Heavies also don't (And probably should never) have any real options to engage against extreme ranges, so a defensive specialisation like mesh shield makes sense to use.

Like, sure, you have Goo Gun as an option, too, but it's not functionally the same as Mesh shield.

[tacit zinc]

@dry fable yet it has all the features....dome, mesh shield, barricade, googun.

[fickle radish]

One thing is having defensive gadgets, another thing is being able to stay alive for 1 hour by only pressing 2 buttons

Heavy has defensive stuff cause it's a tank, but it should be able to fortify himself or a position like it was before

[north flint]

Must love getting shot through the stairs

[plain wasp]

Mfw turret

[jagged ingot]

Wtf

[tropic snow]

Just chiming in to also complain about the CL-40, what the hell is the damage to self because it feels like mediums can just get in your face tank all the self damage and in returen not miss a single shot

[wintry jungle]

it's about like, roughly 1/3rd of your hp, don't know the specific numbers

so yeah, they can just straight up barrel stuff you and live

[spiral pilot]

Gravity cube has more width than its indicator shows, this should get fixed

[hoary coral]

is it just me or would it be cool if u could take of the scope off to the sniper, thoughts?

[shell sonnet]

I want that

Enables my medium range quickscoping even more

Less useful at extreme range, less tunnel vision for medium range

[hoary coral]

should also do that its more acurate without the scope or is that a bit to much?

[shell sonnet]

Unless you hipfire its already 100% accurate though?

[hoary coral]

i meant hipfireing lol

[shell sonnet]

I dont think any of the other sights do that

I did hear they change ads speed but im not sure about that

But i dont think spread should be changed

[hoary coral]

yea

i just want to be able to be at close to medium range with a sniper and make my life easier (i use sniper as a shotgun mostly lol)

[restive plover]

Bruh, "I use sniper as a shotgun mostly" makes my major skill issue look like critical skill issue

[hoary coral]

how tho lol?

dam i was reading that wrong lmao! i thought u meant i had a skill issue lols

[restive plover]

Ooooh

Nah, if it was an actual disease I'd be dead from it

[hoary coral]

lols

im not using the sniper anymore tho, i like using super underrated weapons lmao

[shell sonnet]

Dagger is slept on

But i havent tried it since the changes

[restive plover]

So true. I really wanted to use the cl 40 but now that it's meta I just feel like a sheep following the crowd. (Even tho cl 40 helps with my skill issue) I just can't use it. I want to be unique and absolutely fabulous when I steal that cashout. So when I see someone with same sorta drip I take it personally

[restive plover]

True, I have a buddy who's absolutely crazy with it

[hoary coral]

i use the 93r and flash ofc im special:3 lmao

[restive plover]

Lol

[hoary coral]

im using both dagger and 93r cuz they are underated as f

[shell sonnet]

I kinda wanna try to defend a stealing teammate with flash

Like, enemy comes in, i flash, enemy is blinded and it saves just enough time to steal

Cant manage though, still feels like a wasted slot imo

[restive plover]

Currently I'm using pike or revolver, yes I'm bad but it feels good, along with goo nade, gas, and defib

[hoary coral]

i use it more for getting into or out of a fight or free kills

[restive plover]

The flash is good but I blind my stupid ass with it too

[shell sonnet]

"Free" kills was why i was against this kind of buff for flash

Didnt have any issues until now though, time will tell

[shell sonnet]

I think thats (mostly) why its still balanced

In close range where youre lethal, it also blinds you

At long range, where it wont blind you, you have a bigger skill check, and an enemy has a better chance to take cover

[restive plover]

Wait so it has a radius that it blinds not just, you look in that direction you see god

[shell sonnet]

Correct

Otherwise you could run into a room, drop it at your feet, walk past and start shooting, while the enemy cant retaliate

With it being a radius you also get some downside for flashing this close to yourself

[restive plover]

Hmm interesting, I have gained new knowledge for my single brain cell. Thank you (:

Imagine a self revive gadget/specialization

Recharge only with kills too

[shell sonnet]

We dont have anything like that yet, would kind of stand out
(Not in a positive way imo)

[shell sonnet]

Would probably be too strong

People already complain enough about defib

[restive plover]

True, defib is good where it's at tho. It's just people raging that's complaining

[inner hull]

how are we feeling about the pike ??

i think its the 2nd best medium weapon

[copper hamlet]

The grenade launcher makes the game so shit.

[sand monolith]

insanely overtuned

[inner hull]

kinda like it it means meta variety instead of just aks all the time

[sand monolith]

ya its nice variety but i think it would still be good even if it was just tuned down a little

[inner hull]

fair you think less damage or less ammo in the mag

[sand monolith]

less rpm and worse hipfire i think

[inner hull]

oof i think less ammo would be better that would just make the gun unfun to use

[sand monolith]

i think it just needs to be worse up close

[inner hull]

fair ive been hitting slide close up headshots i think its busted

poor lights didn't stand a chance

[shell sonnet]

I dont think so

[restive plover]

How so?

[sullen token]

How do you guys feel about the new weapons?

[restive plover]

I like em. Medium needed something for long range

Famas is good but still meh

[sullen token]

What about the light shotgun? I haven’t been able to try it out yet.

[restive plover]

Same, I did try it in practice range and it's good. Better than the sh1900 imo. It's more accurate in a way (also imo)

The akimbo pistols are also very nice and unique for heavy. Good for mid range which heavy really needed

[hallow leaf]

Honestly the cl-40 damage needs to be lowered from 117 to 100-105 idk why they went from 93 straight up to 117

[polar trout]

Based

I defo agree with your nerfs as what's needed

Cuz it doesn't affect ranged performance, as to hit shit at range you have to slow down your fire rate anyways and hopefully aren't trying to use hipfire that far

It just affects the weapon being able to kill people who get the jump on you

[sand monolith]

^

this game plays really well when players are forced to make actual decisions with how their loadout affects their playstyle

i actually really like the DMR its execution is just slightly poor but i have faith it will be touched up

[polar trout]

Yeah I've wanted an SSR or DMR for the M for a while now, and I like it getting one. I think that they just took all the complaints about reverse power creep a lil too seriously and made the new stuff a lil too good

[silver socket]

mesh shield lower cooldown is stupid idea - sniper is usless after dmr

[crisp heart]

So, the answer is removing the skill in a weapon to make it easier?

[modest leaf]

What about a setting for the dagger? Enable or disable charge up.
(As in old way and new way)

[crisp heart]

the dagger has been afflicted with the sword charge curse.

now you are going to feel how we've felt for seasons

[slate torrent]

Is it just me or is the new weapon from heavy way too strong long range? I feel like it shouldn't deal this much damge from long range, no?

[sterile crest]

i think they can add another button attack but without charge up like the right click with charge up and without

[polar trout]

Ngl data reshaper is proving hella useful rn with all the cl teams that bring a shitload of turrets and mines

[crude leaf]

^^^ this

[crisp heart]

mines? I thought they fixed that

[polar trout]

Wdym

[crisp heart]

ykwim

[polar trout]

No I don't that's why I asked

You mean only having one?

[crisp heart]

yes

[polar trout]

"oh no now instead of instakilling my opps the mines make them one shot instead'

Also gas can dual stack, so can pyro

[crisp heart]

okay, another mine nerf, lets go

[polar trout]

Plus if they have 15s to set up they can still dual stack

[crude leaf]

@broken notch people don't know what high ground is in this game (in response to your cl40 comment)

[polar trout]

And it's even better with the cl cuz the aoe can set off the mines giving more dps

[crisp heart]

boost those mine kills, lets get another mine nerf

[polar trout]

Not really needed

[crude leaf]

Self report

[polar trout]

Idk maybe make mines have less health, they should be like one shot to more guns

But then reshaper exists

Reshaper is so creative and cool, same with demat. I want more awesome ideas that take advantage of this game's systems like those two

Like winch was boring. Idc if it was op or shit, it's really boring as an idea. At least they tried their best by making it able to pull other stuff too

God cube is also pretty dope, it just has a lack of use cases

Ngl s2 was the best for gadgets and specs

And they've been cooking with reshaper rework and subsequent buffs

It went from something you'd use after winning a cashout fight to clear any mines on the box to something you could use mid fight to get rid of turrets and even nades some times

[merry isle]

What does everyone think of the m26 matter?

[polar trout]

I think it should get a shorter pullout time, so I can react to frags faster. There are a lot of times where I pull it out only to get hit by a nade fore I can press the button to change it

Oh also maybe a "fire rate" on it as a lot of times I end up double clicking by accident and use up two charges where only one is needed

[polar trout]

Fun gun, maybe 2 DMG buff to each pellet so it can 2 shot meds and they can get a taste of the model

[jade violet]

nerf model?whats wrong with them

why not nerf SH1900

[crisp heart]

Because it isn't the model

[polar trout]

It's not broken

It's basically a melee weapon that requires aim

[jade violet]

yes

[polar trout]

So how is that op

[jade violet]

I think AKM is broken now

[polar trout]

Ok so I'm gonna ignore you now

[jade violet]

every weapon for noob is op

[jade violet]

what about Famas

[formal crown]

new dagger is kinda jank. The charge feels longer than the past and you can't backstab as fast unless you want to risk not even swinging at all.

[shell sonnet]

chat, is this highlight worthy?

[grizzled plover]

yes

[shell sonnet]

just wish i had my mic off

does my background noise make the clip worse?

[plain wasp]

Chat is this highlight worthy

[grizzled plover]

nah i think your voice at the end makes it more fun

[shell sonnet]

in its own way, yes
fails are pretty funny

[plain wasp]

In memory of 140 damage rpg

[shell sonnet]

"you will not be missed!"
-jane doe, rocket launcher shotgun guy

[plain wasp]

I also got a clip of some bulletproof glass

Not fist proof tho

[grizzled plover]

ive had that happen its weird

[shell sonnet]

yeah, but this game is kinda jank anyways

ive had ghost buildings before
nade got caught in thin air and almost killed me, then i stood on it and basically floated

[grizzled plover]

i think my favorite is going around broken objects to shoot people then having to run using same path as before but now there is an invisible wall

[jade violet]

btw when they start to nerf their noob CL40

[shell sonnet]

i think its still a bit early for that
let the season settle a bit, it wont be used so much after some time

but i do understand where youre coming from, im a little on the fence wether it needs nerfs or not

low damage grenades felt bad, so if it does need changes anything but that
projectile speed (as long as it stays on the current path), reload speed, rate of fire, self damage, stuff like that should be changed

[jade violet]

buff APS to against CL maybe a good idea

isn't it

Im enjoying M11 with reflex lately

[shell sonnet]

not sure
i recall back when it was just a straight up hard counter to it
even if new cl-40 "deserves" it more, still no fun to loose without contest

and then it only helps mediums that equip it
so you gotta waste a slot just in case a cl medium exists, which you might not know beforehand
and lights, who it is strongest against, just gotta go medium or hope their medium has it and just stay close

not ideal

[jade violet]

it make me more hate CL

[ember wasp]

Does anyone else feel like the revolver is too inaccurate at every range and does an awkward amount of damage that’s hard to account for idk how you’d fix that I just don’t want to feel alone

[jade violet]

btw,M60&Lewis which is better for S4

[shell sonnet]

i prefer m60

couldnt tell you which one is better

[jade violet]

ok

[shell sonnet]

try running diagonally and jumping (iirc, m11 is still decently accurate with hipefire)
dash is pretty nice

if youre looking for something else
dagger should be ok ish belive it or not, wont be shot if they die instantly

[jade violet]

but still thx for answer

[little folio]

Just a quick question: what does the Riot Shield block beyond bullets?
right now I'm having quite a bit of frustrations trying to use this shield effectively and it just seems like it can't handle anything beyond bullets

[crisp heart]

I can't wait for the CL nerf and then people will complain about the CL being nerfed

[jade violet]

I think Model1887 its a really nice high risk rewarding weapon for high skill players

[inner hull]

what do you guys think of the famas now it has a scope or the pike is just way better

[jade violet]

and its even unplayable for low skill noobs

can understand why someone cry for nerf this shotgun lately

every is pro player now?

this game have no more new players?

[icy sparrow]

@static lodge @real pagoda copy and paste the comment of your own this will help for dagger

[jade violet]

mates I have to say

New M26 Matter is so good

[modest leaf]

yeah dude

[jade violet]

I love high risk rewarding

Im sure I wont waste my life on SMG or AR any more

and LMG

[soft shale]

I'd say the Lewis is a better pick due to its higher damage per hit, but I've always preferred the M60.

[jade violet]

btw,M26Matter is a tool in real life?

Master key?

[polar trout]

A different underbarrel shotgun called the MASS

Also thoughts on maybe making the 93r having a 2x hs?

[arctic fog]

I think it needs at least one more burst and 1 more damage otherwise it will remain a D to F tier weapon indefinitely

[timber sparrow]

DONT NERF CL

[tropic hearth]

where is a current spreadsheet of damage, DPS, and TTK values?

[merry isle]

What's some of the best equipment for the m26 matter and sh1900?

[inner hull]

i feel like besides the cl nade spam has gotten more intense

[restive plover]

High burst impacts light disproportionately compared to other classes, which is also why so many of them hate the model.

No, model is still better.

[polar trout]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1Ud7Rdl3AgMw9mmfDwW2LtDMnzZQ9IIhnqSE4ivsaMTs/htmlview#

[restive plover]

Model is old news, there are a lot of cl40 players now trying out the buffs.

And while I don't play light or cl40 so I can't know for sure, between the damage and splash buffs it might be able to consistently two shot with just splash damage again.

[polar trout]

It can, 87.75 max splash and a .3 meter max splash DMG range means it's pretty damn good against lights

[weak kernel]

I'm genuinely not sure what you're trying to say- at the end of the day the china lake is an arcing projectile weapon in a game where medium range hitscan played from highground has always been strong. With all the counterplay it has, it's just going to become a gimmick if it doesn't perform noticeably well in its niche. I don't know if its current direct hit damage in exchange for gutting its splash would cut it when the average hitscan auto already has higher damage output that is, frankly, way easier to land than the CL40's direct pipes

I would be down to see some of its counterplay get buffed. I wasn't really a fan of the APS nerf when it happened, for example

[hallow leaf]

cl-40 got over buffed tbh

[icy sparrow]

@rough carbon fire and gas cancel each other so no mixing but if u mix 2 or 3 blue battery barrel with data reshaper u could get one extra temporary slot of a gadget one time use

[craggy rock]

Pike crazy

[rough carbon]

I'm a light and I'm okay with the cl40.getting a buff, rpg should get one too

[rich nimbus]

buff the rpg!

[hallow leaf]

rpg is fine where it is at

[kind night]

Deagles feel op

[reef vector]

I can’t really understand people who aren’t playing lh1 with the new sight on it

Also m26 matter isn’t that good in my opinion

[robust nacelle]

Skin idea for the frag grenade: a can of ospuze that you violently shake before you throw it. Afterwards it creates an explosion of yellow juice

[icy sparrow]

Pie 🥧 mine skin with blue colour stuck on player when hit

[misty axle]

CL-40 stats over the last 3 seasons
(Season 2 only added the ability to fire through teammates)
S2.11
110dmg direct hit
63.8rpm (250rpm + .7s pump)
2.6m splash
35 minimum damage

S3.4 (After explosive damage rework)
93dmg direct hit
69.1rpm (275rpm + .65s pump)
3m splash
0 minimum damage
(12.4dmg at 2.6m)

S4.0
117dmg direct hit
64.1rpm (210rpm + .65s pump)
3m splash
0 minimum damage
(15.6dmg at 2.6m)

[icy sparrow]

New weapon idea💥(fanning revolver)
Get a medium range projectile based (small wall hole destruction) slug single action revolver for light that is one tap when u aim however close range (hipfire only)u can do a 3 tap trick for it to do a 3 round burst it look really cool u can see it in YouTube https://youtube.com/shorts/Cm3Hi4rw-rk?si=jJrYVQs28mfSnGWE

[rough carbon]

How about the lemat revolver that has 6 revolver rounds and one shotgun shell

[icy sparrow]

U still have to be accurate with shotgun so why bother

[rough carbon]

idk, gimmicks, would be funny if there was a fan the hammer with a shotgun shell lined up at the end

[icy sparrow]

We need wall breaking revolver slug rounds 3 tap burst

[misty axle]

*irl LeMat had 9 rnds + 1 shot

[rough carbon]

how do we even balance that lol

horrible accuracy with super fast rate of fire and medium reload

[misty axle]

The game doesn't have a feature for toggling weapon state besides aiming.
So maybe the right click is the shotgun and the left click hipfire starts out well, but dramatically increases as you spam?

[rough carbon]

I wouldn't mind alternate fire on m2 and it being a mostly hipfire weapon

[misty axle]

I'm saying that the gun would not be able to ADS period without new keybinds being added.

[rough carbon]

true

[misty axle]

Which.. I don't think would be nice on a controller.

[rough carbon]

adding alternate modes this late in the game will piss off people

maybe the shotgun shell goes off at the end or randomly as you go through the cylinder

[misty axle]

I'm not even concerned with that, but just the mechanical reality of adding new inputs into a game.
Game dev is, haha, annoying.

[rough carbon]

risking touching random tf2 weapon territory

[misty axle]

The irl gun works by toggling the tiny hammer at the top, which moves the firing pin downwards to striker the shotgun's chamber instead.

[rough carbon]

Yes I know there's a toggle

for the sake of streamlining the gameplay and eliminate the idea of messing it up

[misty axle]

I think the best answer would just be scrapping ADS all together and replace it with the shotgun.
Hipfire only.

[hallow leaf]

love how they made the no skill cl-40 more rewarding then the revolver

[trim mist]

does the 20 seconds gateway duration start when the first one is placed or the second?

[cunning kettle]

second

[trim mist]

yeah, I read the wiki, its second

[cunning kettle]

first will stay there until you get out of 70m

[trim mist]

yeah, this is life changing information

thank you

[white nymph]

Fcar Ruined…AK Ruined….on a positive note the new M gun is decent

[sand monolith]

AK is still good

[white nymph]

Disagree, had to switch to Famas recently

[hallow leaf]

you lost like 4 bullets on the ak that doesnt make the ak ruined

[white nymph]

I take it you don’t run M, those extra bullets were crucial. Especially defending points.

[hallow leaf]

i main m actually

[shut bane]

I don’t get it, Akm loses 4 bullets and all of a sudden it’s trash?

[hallow leaf]

it just means you cant spray and pray as much anymore

if you know how to aim it isn't much of an issue

you can tell that people dont like the aim because everyone is using the cl-40 now

[shut bane]

Cl40 is fun, by no means a replacement to an AR, it’s even more fun now that it’s viable

[hallow leaf]

it needs a dropoff from 10m+

[shut bane]

The cl40?

[hallow leaf]

and they over buffed it tbh

[white nymph]

The new dmr is good a long with famas the low damage of akm plus reduced ammo now makes it a lot less useful imo

[shut bane]

How can it have drop off if it’s an explosive launcher, that just wouldn’t make sense

[hallow leaf]

should have been buffed to 100-105 not 117

[hallow leaf]

it needs more skill or something

the high reward for how little skill that thing needs is insane

or make direct hit 110 and if its not then it goes right to 90 damage

[shut bane]

Splash damage isn’t the issue as that was already nerfed a while ago, I can maybe see them slowing down the projectile speed but any more than that and it’s irrelevant again

[cunning kettle]

99% of the time i used akm in s3 i reloaded before using up 32 rounds. 4 bullets is nothing

[shut bane]

You guys should try using the fcar lol

[cunning kettle]

i did and i couldnt hit shit lmao

[shut bane]

Lol, it’s fucking irrelevant now that ak has an outright better sight

[cunning kettle]

never took the time to learn the recoil and that small mag was just so annoying when i missed

[cunning kettle]

honestly idk why embark didnt decide to give fcar heavy damage and slower firerate to fit into the "heavy AR" theme

[shut bane]

Yeah that would have made it easier to control as well

It’s trading off a lot for pretty much nothing

[junior ledge]

fought a triple grenade launcher medium team was so fking cancer LOL

[ornate pewter]

was it by chance in world tour? 😀

[summer fable]

I hate the new CL-40 buffs. the CL-40 update is bad enough already but making it more brainless by giving them 30m to hit max damage is so dumb
if this buff was to "make the CL-40 able to 3 shot heavies" why is gods name would you make it more brainless for them to hit the BIGGEST CLASS IN THE GAME
IS A BIG BACK RUNNING AT YOU WITH NO PLAN TOO HARD TO KILL?!?!?!??!
that last buff was just there to fuck with mediums and lights
now all the brainless glue sniffers have to do is not wiff two shots to kill any class
trippling the range to do 117 damage is so dumb

[karmic sandal]

That was probably me

[timber sparrow]

me as well

[junior ledge]

it was everyone

[night gate]

all right hear me out … corn dog throwing knifes

[pine knoll]

^^ this is

[fleet brook]

It's not even meds best weapon and starts arching fairly fast

[fleet brook]

Tbf everything is more rewarding than the revolver

[fleet brook]

People here see balance as

I fought this thing it feels bad over nerf /destroy the thing

[soft shale]

Not the point. The CL-40 now deals more damage than the RPG everyone and their mothers complained about for 3 entires seasons, while the RPG suffered from pretty much the exact same downsides AND could only be fired once every 40-45 seconds.

[hallow leaf]

I just want the skill based weapons to be more rewarding then the no skill weapons

[soft shale]

The CL-40 also totally negates goo grenades, mines (who've been nerfed) and isn't hard countered by APS...

[tough prairie]

So uh, thoughts on the mines nerfs?

Pretty indifferent to it, ngl

[empty mountain]

can anyone give me their best load outs i’m really confused on what to use

[restive plover]

Believe it or not primary weapons should be more reliable damage dealers than gadgets.

[hallow leaf]

And tbh I liked the old cl-40 if you hit your shots it was still good but since you actually needed to hit your shots people cried saying it was bad, now look where we are it requires no skill once again

[tough prairie]

What class do you mostly use?

[empty mountain]

light or medium mainly light but i’m tryna go to medium

[fleet brook]

Tbf lights had several seasons of it's no skill (just requires you to track) smgs being there best options

Meds best weapons have almost always been there AKs

And heavy was generally restricted to there lmgs because most of there options sucked

And then winch kinda saved melee heavy or made it comp viable then got nerfed and turtle heavy has received consistent nerfs so shotgun and grenade launcher weren't really good

[tough prairie]

Lemme ask you something. Do you hate turrets and mines all over the place?

[hallow leaf]

Cl40 should do about 100-105 direct hit damage and significantly lower area damage,

[fleet brook]

Glitch grenade solves all those problems

[empty mountain]

yes

[tough prairie]

Ah yes, lemme glitch that barricade the heavy just put up to block the doorway

[tough prairie]

I recommend Data Reshaper to shut down certain playstyles

[empty mountain]

ok thank you

[hallow leaf]

The spash damage is the issue on the cl-40 you basically just need to look in a direction and shoot for free wins which is fucking stupid, I hate how that fucking grenade launcher got buffed and the dual blades didn't

[fleet brook]

Tbf the KS is significantly slower to fire and deals around the same damage

[nocturne eagle]

how tf do they nerf RPG and Nukes but then come up with the CL40 that doesnt even kill the medium himself if you are right in his face?

[empty mountain]

any ideas for guns to use

[soft shale]

Believe or not, that's absolutely not the point of that comparison.

[fleet brook]

If you're on light you usually have the speed/ movements options to get around that

Hop out window+ grapple and most rooms have 2 exits

[tough prairie]

But don't use it all the time if you have no need for it. Just see what the other teams are using. If there are too many turret mediums, then Reshaper is the way. It got buffed recently. You now have 3 charges and 20m range

[hallow leaf]

I believe the Cl-40 needs a slower fire rate, longer reload and 100-105 damage if they arnt going to change it's splash damage

[empty mountain]

thank you, dyk what guns would be good to use?

[fleet brook]

Also the fact the KS is one of heavys more skilled weapons and it's cheeks

And it's consistently been cheeks since it's release

[hallow leaf]

The cl-40 is in impact grenade launcher it should do more direct hit damage while doing less splash damage while the mgl is what you should use for splash damage

[tough prairie]

The new Pike is super good

[soft shale]

Except the MGL would be an even worse nightmare if it dealt tons of splash damage with 6 rounds and a quick reload

[hallow leaf]

Who ever thought giving the cl40 a 24 damage increase was a good idea needs fired

[fleet brook]

The mgl is clunky and bad to me

[hallow leaf]

But again if the devs actually knew how to balance we wouldn't be in this situation

[empty mountain]

ok i think i’ll run pike with turret and zip line data reshaped and defib is that a good one

[fleet brook]

Tbf it reloads one at a time right or is that the CL?

[hallow leaf]

The dev team is what needs the biggest buff

The art team is amazing, the balance team... Needs replaced

[fleet brook]

Pike and Data are opposing goals

It feels like half your build wants to be close and the other half far away

[hallow leaf]

I'll forever be a hater on the balance team as long as they keep this shit up

[empty mountain]

what could u suggest

[tough prairie]

Always run Defib for sure. Movement gadgets like Zip or Bounce is very helpful. Also keep some more offensive and defensive stuff on reserve. And remember that AKM is still a good gun to use. Whatever feels best for you.

[fleet brook]

Tbf this patch notes did give me the funniest thing in my eyes since r6 balance notes

"People are saying playing heavy is unfun because of nerfs but heavy wins the most so we'll keep tuning them." (Basically playing heavy sucks but wins) Then nerfs them and makes they're kit super clunky

[empty mountain]

thank u very much

[hallow leaf]

I wonder how they are using the stats are they going off the percentage of wins vs how many people play that class or the percentage of wins per class because those can bring two very different results

[soft shale]

All six at once like a revolver. CL reloads grenade by grenade like a shotgun. It's actually an oversized shotgun.

[fleet brook]

Heal beam is good if you're running defib or you're just rezzing someone at half and if that's anything other than a heavy that's begging for death

If you want to play far a nade would help to flush people out / make space and zip is good distance closer but try to use it non selflessly and data

[empty mountain]

thanks i’ve figured out my load out

[soft shale]

To be honest the way they interpreted those stats is wrong. Light is the most played class and has the least wins while Heavy is the opposite. Alright. But this has nothing to do with one or the other being over/underpowered.

[icy sparrow]

@sand monolith they usually join in with me

[sand monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/im-so-hungry-i-could-eat-a-whole-horse-meme-gif-27677332

[icy sparrow]

I got a good idea for a rework for spear finally!

The spear is so bad and ever used maybe u can have a secondary attack that’s fast jump with the spear stick/pole vaulting over platform with a thrust attack falling down,it’s for closing distance and greater platform reach so the thrust isn’t high damage plus heavy has a lot of health but with such great mobility the primary wide swings should be narrow,also a heavy suddenly getting close to u with high health and charge n slam is oppressive enough.

The secondary now is almost useless with spinning in one places and others shoot u.

Hammer causes destruction and high damage and spear is mobility and precision.

Add a claymore/heavy sword for medium with primary attack 2 wide swings and downward slash for the third combo of swings and if u hold primary attack u do the downward slash and the higher the damage the high u fall from which is a great combo with zip or jump pad on high places and ambush,the secondary attack deflect bullets on upper torso.

double blade medium too slow for it and chase people all day and lose to grenade bellow by the one being chased it’s hilarious!

Give double blade to light,primary attack 40damage each attack and if u hold primary then u do the 3rd combo of double sword that’s already in the game when falling and a secondary forward spin double blade move and slightly more damage when hit from back(168)and it’s has great combo with grapple and dash mostly.
Look at Levi character attack on titans with grapple hooks it look amazing

[shut bane]

holy shit vanishing bomb cooldown is literally nothing lol, I dont see why people would even need cloak

[shadow onyx]

My whole team when the enemy throws a gas grenade into the room and instead of running I save everyone by inhaling all of the galaxy gas to save my team

[soft shale]

Yes it can be constantly spammed, but the complaints would have never stopped if its cooldown had been increased.

I don't necessarily find fair that Light can so easily benefit from both invis AND dash.

[icy sparrow]

Beginners need it is or people wouldn’t play

[rapid jasper]

imagine a riot shield skin where its a longsword and a greatshield

peak

[arctic fog]

It'd have to be a pretty jank sword to justify the damage

[leaden seal]

i got 2000 credits, purchase recommendation for turret medium and slam heavy please

[rapid jasper]

slam

[gray bridge]

emotes/mechanic emotes that can kill or damage like rock paper scissors emote where whoever loses dies

[icy sparrow]

@devout glen throw spear and be empty handed?
Good idea but won’t be implemented

But pole vaulting and mobility

[rapid jasper]

claymore for sledge hammer? thoughts?

[arctic fog]

Eh

[rapid jasper]

no whimsy smh

[robust nacelle]

I like it

[arctic fog]

It has been robbed by stinky cl40 players

[rapid jasper]

real

[robust nacelle]

We need rob to notice these 😭

[rapid jasper]

we need a classic molly skin for pyro nade fr

[lofty hornet]

they should add under barrel grenade launchers

[vague hill]

[tranquil siren]

Honestly all melee weapons need some sort of alt attack. Right now they’re “run at someone, possibly while taking damage, and then try to out DPS them sometimes” oh, and if you miss one attack they’ll get away because swinging gives you a movement penalty on everything but dagger.

[tranquil siren]

Honestly true, especially since cloaks repeated nerfs make it pretty bad comparatively. It’s so loud and you can only activate it once before having to wait realistically. Vanishing bomb has similar cooldown in essence and is silent after the initial disappear.

They should probably swap out cloak as a spec or make a buffed vanishing bomb a spec instead. Doesn’t seem like they want to balance cloak.

[surreal vector]

We need a baseball bat skin to match the baseball player outfit 😓

[boreal laurel]

Sword has one

[reef vector]

Y is grapple cool-down so quick

[surreal vector]

Imagine a hammer having baseball bat skin. The swing will be awesome

[restive plover]

love famas sm

just deletes
from testing and using its just got a far higher ttk than the fcar

personally never liked the ak recoil wasnt for me, still good gun

famas my beloved

[restive galleon]

E

[crisp heart]

Join into a match, all the mediums are using the CL.

[thick chasm]

the developes just hate the game

they look at the 15k active players and think this shit is working

stop making stupid changes and listen to your fn community like christ

[unkempt root]

please dont change dagger it is actually so good now

[jade violet]

Dashes,StunGun,GateWay,GlitchGrenade or Invisible Grenade

[dawn stream]

anyone thinks the pike-556 is getting nerfed ?

[shell viper]

jkjk

KL

boof

right

[reef vector]

I hate the pike

[pine grail]

Yea

[shut bane]

I love the pike

[shell viper]

yes

yes

[quick vigil]

👎

[grand moon]

add a noob tube

[pine grail]

It is tho

[near slate]

since now we have scops

that kinda disrupt the beauty of the skins

[quick vigil]

You are high if you think it’s better

[pine grail]

It is better

It’s a different skill set but it is better

[tawny panther]

It's most def an indirect nerf to dagger users

[fickle radish]

who cares

[tawny panther]

u weird

[fickle radish]

u to

[tawny panther]

go eat some beans

[fickle radish]

i'm not from uk

we dont do that for breakfast

[vestal reef]

Yoyoyo

[leaden seal]

thoughts on recurve bow?

[leaden seal]

what's objectively better between the two tho

[leaden seal]

15k active for a brand new title after 10 months is pretty good

[plucky spade]

The L personified holy shit

[plucky spade]

CL-40

[sage dove]

Is the tracking dart worth it now?

[fickle radish]

always worth

[sage dove]

Ellaborate

I wanna learn

[fickle radish]

shot guy, he panic and runs away for half a minute

laugh and repeat

[sage dove]

I mean like strat. What loadout is best

[fickle radish]

idk, i'm joking, traking dart is fun but almost every other gadget is better

[leaden seal]

I BOUGHT TRACKIGN DART BECAUSE OF YOUR COMMENT

only if i waited for 2 minutes 😭

at least it's fun

[sage dove]

This is partially my fault. Sorry

[leaden seal]

lmao imagine if i turned out to be a beast because of the dart tho

[fickle radish]

AHAHAHA but its fun af, worth anyway

if you are new for sure its not the best gadget to buy first

[wanton glacier]

The problem with the tracking dart is that it is very situational, but the times I've used it it's fun to have.

Although I still think the sonar grenade is better

[fickle radish]

it is

[leaden seal]

i got 600 fans in 1 game????

pike is really good

i'm buying bow next, any tips?

[fickle radish]

maybe you did a couple of daily challenges

dailies give xp and fans

[leaden seal]

yeah i did won a game first time in like 12 matches

[fickle radish]

yeah so its dailies

[leaden seal]

this game has not been kind for me

[sage dove]

Zoom zoom.

[cunning kettle]

dart is insanely fun and for bank it its also pretty good

pair it with grapple hook and a good cqb gun and you basically got the best player hunting loadout

[wanton glacier]

I also noticed that the tracking dart has a huge magnetism. I can hit it a meter away from the target and it still marks it

[cunning kettle]

I’ve hipfired dart on a target some 120m away and it hit 💀

[wanton glacier]

lol

[cunning kettle]

I play dart cus I can’t hit shit with sniper frfr

[inner thicket]

Damnn

[warm cliff]

What are we thinking about the new medium marksman rifle??

[wanton glacier]

It's very good. I think they might nerf it at some point.

[icy sparrow]

@restive plover why don’t u make comments on what u want on dagger,actually I think sword got a buff in lunge charge rather then dagger got a charge time nerf

[shell viper]

nice

[leaden seal]

why for banks?

[icy sparrow]

@vale obsidian I got a good idea for a rework for spear finally!

The spear is so bad and ever used maybe u can have a secondary attack that’s fast jump with the spear stick/pole vaulting over platform with a thrust attack falling down,it’s for closing distance and greater platform reach so the thrust isn’t high damage plus heavy has a lot of health but with such great mobility the primary wide swings should be narrow,also a heavy suddenly getting close to u with high health and charge n slam is oppressive enough.

The secondary now is almost useless with spinning in one places and others shoot u.

Hammer causes destruction and high damage and spear is mobility and precision.

[leaden seal]

interesting

[shell viper]

lolz

[vale obsidian]

you just pinging random people at this point lol

[icy sparrow]

Me?

[vale obsidian]

yee

[fickle radish]

they should at least give you the option do stop the right click on spear

[icy sparrow]

Ur name is spear head

SPEAR

[vale obsidian]

but i do like the idea lol

[icy sparrow]

Lol I had to ping u cause of ur name

[vale obsidian]

i main cl40 btw

[icy sparrow]

@plucky heath New weapon idea💥(fanning revolver)
Get a medium range projectile based (small wall hole destruction) slug single action revolver for light that is one tap when u aim however close range (hipfire only)u can do a 3 tap trick for it to do a 3 round burst it look really cool u can see it in YouTube https://youtube.com/shorts/Cm3Hi4rw-rk?si=jJrYVQs28mfSnGWE

[icy sparrow]

U need to throw orange and green barrel at enemies and then use cl40 to make it useful with load out frag,flash,gas mine and turret for the most toxic load out lol💥💀💥

[vale obsidian]

people always surprise when they see that i have white cl40

[restive plover]

i already did but i don't feel like spamming it. I think what dagger needs is very obvious, mainly revolving the devastating movement penalty and longer backstabs, both of which should be looked into.

[plucky heath]

🔥 🔥 🔥 YESSSSSSSSSSS

[icy sparrow]

A whole new weapon,not just animations

[plucky heath]

Still, its a win

[leaden seal]

oh boy trying bow in range it's pretty fun, buying it soon

[icy sparrow]

Copy and paste my idea

[vale obsidian]

a revo that focus more on close range burst damage rather then range?

[icy sparrow]

Medium range

[vale obsidian]

thats just the normal revo

[plucky heath]

slurps up

[icy sparrow]

No listen

When aiming it’s like a revolver but hipfire it’s bursts 3

[plucky heath]

but its cooler though

[icy sparrow]

It’s for light plus it does wall damage small holes

[vale obsidian]

cool is cool but im more consern with balancing

if it going to be a new gun then it should not be revo 2.0 but better

[icy sparrow]

That’s up to devs,who knew someone could balance duel deagle!

[icy sparrow]

Watch the vid,it’s fanning if u even know what it means

[fickle radish]

fanning could be cool

maybe with a bit less dmg only with fanning, and faster reload if you reload the weapon if the mag is empty

[vale obsidian]

what im trying to say is, just slap it on the revo that we have now and not make a new weapon out of it
(more headegg for the dev)

[fickle radish]

why not both

[icy sparrow]

U have pike which is lh,the same lol

[vale obsidian]

its veriety for the sake of veriety

[icy sparrow]

The spear and duel blade is as egg head as it gets lol

[vale obsidian]

i havn't try it yet

[fickle radish]

dual deagles are fine, i like them more than dual revolver. I just want some improvements on the revolver

i cant see any problem

[icy sparrow]

💥Auto cross for heavy and u can climb on top of the bolts https://youtu.be/LN1j3w0zchU?si=7g8onmgiaC2Qs8Fs

Unique

[leaden seal]

pike is so good god damn

[vale obsidian]

heavy have a pump shotty that already have the same niece tho

[icy sparrow]

Pike is way to similar to lh,should have been a long range lever action fanning rifle

[vale obsidian]

yeah but its on a different class
that is justifyable

[icy sparrow]

It’s season1 lh

[fickle radish]

dual deagles are also on a different class

[icy sparrow]

Balance wise

[vale obsidian]

yeah?

[vale obsidian]

reason why thats justifyable for me is cus people "usually" only play one class most of the time
and having the same weapon for each class just mean people can play with their fav gun on any class

[icy sparrow]

So u like my spear idea enough to say it in suggestion?

[vale obsidian]

soooooo your goal this whole time is to make me say it in #👂┇game-feedback ?

if you want it in the game just say it in there man

[icy sparrow]

I mean the more the better

If u think about it pike is just a better revolver on how it plays,devs should have added revolver with acog sights and added a fanning rifle

[icy sparrow]

@vague breach bengay

[vague breach]

what

[magic marsh]

Anyone think it might be fun/strategic if we could use the demat to close others' demat holes?

[restive plover]

You already can.

[magic marsh]

Wait you can? Like even if another team opens a hole up?

Im new to using demat so i dont know

[autumn urchin]

Please im begging, remove grenade launcher

[restive plover]

Nah, it just needs a little kiss from the rework machine

[autumn urchin]

Honestly, anything other than what it is now will be better

[restive plover]

The problem isn't the weapon. It's that everyone is using it and it requires no skill. (Now I am diagnosed with major skill issue disorder) but this is just unacceptable even for me

[autumn urchin]

That's what I've noticed as well (I'm a certified scientist)

[restive plover]

It's like this.
You are in a room and one grenade drops in. You'll be fine.

But now, you're in a room. And a bajillion nades are in that room.

[restive plover]

Can you cure my major skill issue disorder?

[autumn urchin]

Only hours playing revolver will help you now.

[icy sparrow]

@restive plover u know u won’t have movement nerf if u can one tap like before right?
We need both one tap as well as hold?

@vale obsidian maybe cl40projectile speed increase,more mag and splash damaged decrease close range?

[icy sparrow]

Use aim lab on steam

[hallow leaf]

Cl-40 direct hit should be 100-105 and spash should be 90-50 depending on where they are in the splash radius

It's sad but the balance team really doesn't seem to know what the fuck they are doing

[vale obsidian]

nah it just going to unessiarily compliate things
buff proj speed: fk with player musle memories
more mag: cl is basically / fuctionally a shot gun and making it more sustain focus just dosn't fit it
Splash nerf: i actually want this, shit is opsert

all it need imo is to nerf it damage in genaral then make it do extra damage on direct

[fickle radish]

splash dmg nerf is more than enough

[vale obsidian]

then it'll go back to being bad like before

[hallow leaf]

It's an impact grenade launcher make it actually need to make contact with the enemy to get most of its damage stop buffing the no skill weapons

[icy sparrow]

U know without splash damage it’s just a slow bullet

[vale obsidian]

its a no skill weapon cus it power is all in the splash damage
nerf that shit and make it do bonus damage on direct so people actually need to aim

[vale obsidian]

thats the weapon gimmic anyways

[hallow leaf]

Exactly

[turbid tendon]

agreed with u as a main medium player

[icy sparrow]

Yes splash is needed

[hallow leaf]

Idk when they think of buffing it their first thought was "let's increase it's damage by 24 that will be a great idea" not buff it a little they said fuck it we are making it broken

[icy sparrow]

@sand monolith u see the revolver suggestion for light I sent u?

[turbid tendon]

anyone know why they r asking for a model1887 nerf? was it got buffed in this season?

[hallow leaf]

They could have easily buffed it from 93 to 100 to test the waters why the fuck did they go directly to 117 the rpg got a nerf for a reason

[hallow leaf]

I hope it only gets a range nerf or they change the way the spread works

That's all the model really needs

Give it fall off or make the spread a cone instead of a cylinder

[turbid tendon]

yup but for me its actually fine now the model1887

[vale obsidian]

ay ay they are not just doing lottery for balance changes man
they are putting thought into it

[hallow leaf]

I refuse to believe that the shit balance team thinks about anything

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-cat-kitten-explosion-explode-gif-13413781400084246782

[hallow leaf]

If they keep it's 117 damage then rework the splash damage

[icy sparrow]

Duel blades do a lot of damage it’s just medium is too slow

[hallow leaf]

Keep the 117 for direct hit and the Max spash damage should be 80% of that which is 93 and the lowest amount of spash should be 40 or 60%

[hallow leaf]

Na the final combo on dual blades is fucking atrocious

[icy sparrow]

Give it to light

[hallow leaf]

It's goes 50x2 60x2 70 not 70x2 like it should just fucking 70

[icy sparrow]

double blade medium too slow for it and chase people all day and lose to grenade bellow by the one being chased it’s hilarious!

Give double blade to light,primary attack 40damage each attack and if u hold primary then u do the 3rd combo of double sword that’s already in the game when falling and a secondary forward spin double blade move and slightly more damage when hit from back(168)and it’s has great combo with grapple and dash mostly.
Look at Levi character attack on titans with grapple hooks it look amazing

[vale obsidian]

final tap on duelB is balance imo cus the person using duelB would tap you 4 time already
warning you to move out the way

[hallow leaf]

If you give them to light then give light sword to med

[vale obsidian]

i just can't see it work

[turbid tendon]

if the dual blades got lights they will be only gonna do is spamming it with the teaser🫠🤦‍♂️

[icy sparrow]

They spam it with sword too lol

[hallow leaf]

It's not though with the first 2 combos you will get both light and med, buffing the final with only help with heavy which it needs help with the most

[turbid tendon]

thats y i said🫠

[icy sparrow]

They spam anything with stun so?

[hallow leaf]

Dual blades in their current state are trash, the final on the combo needs doubled and med needs something like a speed steam or a slowing gadget

[icy sparrow]

@hallow leaf Add a claymore/heavy sword for medium with primary attack 2 wide swings and downward slash for the third combo of swings and if u hold primary attack u do the downward slash and the higher the damage the high u fall from which is a great combo with zip or jump pad on high places and ambush,the secondary attack deflect bullets on upper torso.

[turbid tendon]

ah yeah that little shotgun too🫠 (i also did that😂)