💣┇weapons-gadgets

[junior ledge]

emerald m11 better look cool ty

[fickle radish]

Having a bigger issue doesn't mean that the smaller issue is not an issue

[quartz juniper]

I use the model as my main, I really don't see a nerf but the range is def excessive maybe

[restive plover]

They weren't. Having a nice holo doesn't do anything about the fact the fcar is just worse than the famas and the akm, and having some of the most dogshit sights of all time hasn't kept the lh1 from being light's top gun.

[wise wigeon]

AKIMBO 93R

[hallow current]

Now that they have the pike they can nerf the model 1887 and play more like a shotgun and less like a long range rifle

[vapid nymph]

real

[somber whale]

Thought of how mines can be reworked. What if the single charge nerf for explosive mines and glitch trap was not added and instead there was a timer 30-45 seconds long that when reached would deactivate the mines. To reactivate the mines the player or their teammates could walk within a few metres of them which would reactivate them again. I think this would prevent players from placing these two stronger 'mines' in high traffic or dangerous areas that can't easily be accessed safely. Like for example teams often throw glitch mines in the entrance of the building or surrounding the cashout and then hold from a safe angle often above. This u believe was the main reason to embark plans to nerf the charges but by reworking them my way the non annoying uses or balanced uses of the mines are ultimately the same. You should be able to place double mines to insure a kill against lights and mediums without this feature the mines are ultimately not worth picking over grenades or C4. Glitch traps are also the main counter to defrib spam so they should be nerfed in a way where they are still effective at this role but made less annoying and strong overall.

[grizzled fulcrum]

The pike needs to be nerfed that is all and the sword 🗡️

[sand monolith]

So it’s not all

[grizzled fulcrum]

I would be lying if I said that was all so I had to catch my self

I agree has a good clip size it’s just the damage for me I want to know what killed me at least before I crash out to my oblivion

[icy sparrow]

No two at once especially glitch and gas is way too much

What do u think?

The spear is so bad and ever used maybe u can have a fast jump with the spear stick/pole vaulting over platform with a thrust falling down

Do u see the vaulting pic I sent and get the idea?

Since it doesn’t cause destruction or high damage like hammer it’s makes perfect sense for it to have movement

If possible plz go on the suggestion thread

[hazy spoke]

how did thez buff it

[grizzled fulcrum]

I don’t think we need anymore melee weapons

That’s just me though

[icy sparrow]

Cause u bad at it lol

[grizzled fulcrum]

Acting the top players use melee crazy 😭

[icy sparrow]

Actually or acting?
U mean the top melee player r op just as any top players r?

[quasi ivy]

imagine using the dual blade

[grizzled fulcrum]

Facts

[icy sparrow]

The medium is too slow for that

[grizzled fulcrum]

and I meant like the top players in the finals barley use or don’t use any melee weapons

[icy sparrow]

Look up tutorials on melee sword and have fun

[grizzled fulcrum]

But bro we already know it’s broken 😭

I barely see the sword now

[icy sparrow]

Only cause u stunned or there is no reason

[icy sparrow]

I barely see melee in general

[grizzled fulcrum]

That’s what Im saying we don’t need anymore melee

[quasi ivy]

We need fucking .50 cal

[icy sparrow]

U right with a spear rework and a claymore for mediums we r done

[grizzled fulcrum]

We need deagles with switches attached to them

[quasi ivy]

I suggest heavy sniper, scope less, an AMR-2

[icy sparrow]

High damage high healths isn’t balanced

[quasi ivy]

or Tankgewehr M1918

I know, I'm lolling. But can be a fun event

[icy sparrow]

@sand monolith How they feel?!
U mean how visually accurate they r which is technically an accuracy stat,it’s fine for sights for v9s,lh,pike,revolver etc.

I heard xp getting a nerf probably because it’s got iron sights,there is a skill to master the sights and the distance they demand for positioning and map knowledge.
Plz use ur head for logic

[sand monolith]

what

[icy sparrow]

This

[icy sparrow]

This #💣┇weapons-gadgets message

[sand monolith]

yes, weapons should be balanced based on their potential

[icy sparrow]

So u agree with auto low recoil weapons not having sights

[sand monolith]

no

[icy sparrow]

Then u didn’t read that it’s easy to track

[sand monolith]

that not an issue

[icy sparrow]

Ok what about iron sights on pike cause u need to position for optimal range and not get hit and u can hit easily close up and no map positioning needed

[sand monolith]

it doesnt matter, weapons should be balanced around their potential

you could take the scope off of pike its still going to perform poorly up close and better from range

if a sight causes a weapon to be overpowered then the weapon has other issues

[icy sparrow]

Sights change potential
I seen testers say it’s a problem on vid

[sand monolith]

i was also a tester its completely fine

[icy sparrow]

Use sniper very close up and tell me

It will be crazy to track lol

@torn rain did u like the rest of my idea?

[sand monolith]

yeah and you could take the scope off the sniper and it would still be bad up close

thats how weapons should be balanced

sights are a great addition and will lead to weapons being more balanced throughout skill groups

[torn rain]

I didn’t read it 💀

[icy sparrow]

I promise it’s not wining for a nerf,it all good,plz read

[torn rain]

Just did, it’s an interesting take

I do think something needs to be buffed with the spear, but idk how a rework with the secondary attack would work

[icy sparrow]

The secondary attack was vaulting and a downward thrust attack

[torn rain]

I see

Idk

[icy sparrow]

Now the heavy stands and spins around with secondary attack while people shoots

[icy sparrow]

U don’t know what vaulting is?

[torn rain]

No I do

I just don’t really have an opinion on this

[icy sparrow]

Something is better then useless

Like spinning in one spot isn’t very useful

[somber whale]

Gas is not strong? I don't know if Ur a player or something but I never ever see anyone run it. Glitch is oppressive but it needs to remain strong to some extent to combat against defrib or everyone will just run triple medium.

[icy sparrow]

U have heal beam nerf already so don’t worry

@vague breach u like my idea in suggest thread I pinged u on just now?

[vague breach]

idfk I don’t play any of those weapons

And I don’t think they should add anymore melees to the game

spear does suck tho rn

[icy sparrow]

Just one for medium and give double blade to light

[vague breach]

light has sword, it doesn’t need duel blades

[icy sparrow]

Be like Levi with a new spinning double blade move with grapple more damage form back

[icy sparrow]

I would want double blade gone but won’t devs delete it

[vague breach]

devs should delete everything

[icy sparrow]

Do u like this idea #💣┇weapons-gadgets message

[vague breach]

yes bro it’s awesome

[icy sparrow]

Cause it’s a spin move u can just grapple around enemy and finish them off

[vague breach]

yea I love finishing people off

[icy sparrow]

That’s why u benis hahahahahahahajaahhahaahahahahhaahahahha

@light carbon u agree ?

Add a claymore/heavy sword for medium with primary attack 2 wide swings and downward slash for the third combo of swings and if u hold primary attack u do the downward slash and the higher the damage the high u fall from which is a great combo with zip or jump pad on high places and ambush,the secondary attack deflect bullets on upper torso.

double blade medium too slow for it and chase people all day and die to grenade bellow by the one being chased it’s hilarious!

@sand monolith suggest the claymore idea while u r at it on nerf model ☝️

[hallow current]

Imagine them adding one new attachment per year

[sand monolith]

I don’t think they will ever add actual attachments

[icy sparrow]

@wary rose like my idea ?
Give double blade to light from medium ,primary attack 40damage each attack and if u hold primary then u do the 3rd combo of double sword that’s already in the game when falling and a secondary forward spin double blade move (135)and slightly more damage when hit from back(168)and it’s has great combo with grapple and dash mostly.
Look at Levi character attack on titans with grapple hooks it look amazing

[wary rose]

No I don’t think they should move weapons between classes

[icy sparrow]

Well mediums r to slow

[icy sparrow]

They did with gadgets

[wary rose]

Dual blades work fantastically with demat

[wary rose]

That’s different and they’ve only done it with a few gadgets if not only 1

[icy sparrow]

Barely!!!!

[icy sparrow]

Read the full idea lol

[copper sinew]

I mean just give med some mobility that helps them and the problem fixes itself

[icy sparrow]

@mystic nimbus #👂┇game-feedback message

[wary rose]

I have

[icy sparrow]

It’s so rare to see a medium with ds

[icy sparrow]

U can out run them easily

[wary rose]

While true it’s just as rare to see most weapons

[mystic nimbus]

why am i pinged here

[icy sparrow]

Doesn’t my idea of light sound more cool?!

[copper sinew]

Dual Blades honestly feel more like a perimiter defense weapon rather than chasing after kills weapon

[icy sparrow]

I was asking ur opinion on heavy spear rework

[icy sparrow]

Worse then shield

[wary rose]

I play with someone who mains them he’d be able to say no a lot better than me

[icy sparrow]

I can stun and sword lunge them no problem lol

Can’t block stun like shield

[wary rose]

Yeah that’s how counters work also prolly not a good idea to waste a stun on a melee as sword or use stun as melee or use stun at all actually it kinda sucks

[mystic nimbus]

i believe spear is in a good spot rn, just fix the hitreg on alt-fire and everything gonna be good

[icy sparrow]

Melee is a problem and stunned player with guns can still shoot

[icy sparrow]

The vaulting doesn’t sound useful?

[wary rose]

Yeah stun sucks as in it’s bad
Not good not worth using

Gateway sonar and vanish bomb is objectively best loadout for most light builds

[icy sparrow]

I can beat u having double sword any time with dash and sword and stun

[wary rose]

I don’t use double blades

[mystic nimbus]

getting closer to the enemy isn't needed, you have charge n slam, you have mesh shield to toggle it on and off to get closer without getting much dmg and you also have winch claw to get the enemy to your foot

[copper sinew]

Yeah the alt fire is great in some crowded scenarios if used correctly, but man does it miss a lot for some reason

[icy sparrow]

Lol u don’t know how utterly useless it is

[wary rose]

Every weapon is good in the right hands that’s what’s good about this game you can use any weapon if your good enough with it

[icy sparrow]

Bro how can u fix a heavy spinning in one spot and others shooting?!

[icy sparrow]

Spear,double sword and the burst light gun is the bottom of the barrel for any counters

[mystic nimbus]

that's called bad positioning

[icy sparrow]

Heavy is slow and people can just move while heavy stuck spinning

[mystic nimbus]

every swing in your alt fire deals 100dmg there has to be a downside

[wary rose]

Also you can absolutely kill sword lights when stunned as dual blades you can actually beat sword lights with any melee besides dagger while stunned pretty consistently

[icy sparrow]

Hammer is better

[copper sinew]

Honestly I feel like the bigger problem is that the full alt fire doesn't kill heavies

[mystic nimbus]

you can cancel the spin with emote cancel i believe

[icy sparrow]

Mediums doesn’t have stun,maybe glitch but u still have more run speed

[wary rose]

Stunning a Melee as a sword is probably the worst thing you can do

[mystic nimbus]

in most of the scenarios yeah, and there is nothing wrong with a weapon being better than the other in certain fields/scenarios

[wary rose]

No one in this server can fucking read

[icy sparrow]

Most field hammer has destruction and change the whole map when needed

[icy sparrow]

Glitch trap yea so?
Now u have one mine and u and outrun a medium

[mystic nimbus]

hammer doesn't have multihit on alt fire tho

[wary rose]

is that dokja in your pfp

[icy sparrow]

Player don’t stay at one spot,almost ever

[mystic nimbus]

yes sir

[wary rose]

My man

The ugliest king is goat

[mystic nimbus]

so you want them to deliver their heads on a silver plate or what

[wary rose]

You a novel or manhwa reader?

[mystic nimbus]

real

[icy sparrow]

U know what vaulting is?
It’s new and fun

[mystic nimbus]

both, i finished the novel in December/January and am currently reading the side story, actually I've caught up and currently waiting for the new season in the side story it's being translated rn(unofficially).

[icy sparrow]

A slow heavy and other player don’t just sit closely for u to spin

[mystic nimbus]

not another slam please 💀

[wary rose]

THERES A SIDE STORY?????
also you excited for the anime?

[icy sparrow]

Lol that’s the reeeeal reason

[mystic nimbus]

@sand monolith mind taking my place here?, my english isn't good enough to continue this discussion😔

[icy sparrow]

U didn’t read all of it it’s low damage and not area damage u still have to aim

[sand monolith]

[mystic nimbus]

i don't want another ability that'll make me see a fat ass heavy on my head

[green sequoia]

Grenade idea: A "Rewind" grenade that does half the grenade damage but moves geometry back where it belongs in like a 2.5m radius

Edit: could be funny to send players back like 10s

[icy sparrow]

Hahahaha

[mystic nimbus]

there is, it's more like a sequel than a side story, also not really excited for the anime since my passion for the anime died long ago but I'll definitely watch it, same to the live action movie

[wary rose]

whats it called

[sand monolith]

Mid anime

https://tenor.com/view/anime-award-mid-me-gif-3084790024331741934

[mystic nimbus]

?

[wary rose]

whats the sequel called

[icy sparrow]

Ok what about my idea on medium and light? #👂┇game-feedback message

[mystic nimbus]

the story isn't cliche so it can never be mid

[mystic nimbus]

orv side story 💀 (there is no official translation tho)

the authors are publishing it on munpia
https://mm.munpia.com/?menu=novel&id=104753&ref=/104753

[mystic nimbus]

WAIT THEY ADDED A NEW COVER!!! LET'S FKING GO

[wary rose]

bruh have you read the others side story the world after the fall

[mystic nimbus]

those aren't side stories, those are works by the same author that somehow share the same universe

[icy sparrow]

When does the game update release?
Like what time is it where u like is it 26 for u

[mystic nimbus]

9hrs and 30 min from now

[icy sparrow]

Now it 9:30 pm for u?

[wary rose]

i didnt mean to say side story xd im just preoccupied

[icy sparrow]

Is the medium claymore idea good?

Now u do charge n slam with medium sword if u position high enough

Add a claymore/heavy sword for medium with primary attack 2 wide swings and downward slash for the third combo of swings and if u hold primary attack u do the downward slash and the higher the damage the high u fall from which is a great combo with zip or jump pad on high places and ambush,the secondary attack deflect bullets on upper torso.

[mystic nimbus]

it doesn't matter what time zone on rn what matters is that the update will release in 10 hours

also no it's 1:40 am rn

[mystic nimbus]

real

[icy sparrow]

For sleeping genuinely https://youtu.be/xQ6xgDI7Whc?si=XwQdgxg9dZLU32nP

[mystic nimbus]

i usually sleep 6hrs from now but i accidentally fixed my sleeping schedules last week, so I'll sleep any moment now

[copper axle]

For sleeping https://open.spotify.com/track/1eZX3SbqNum6koccvu6B0j?si=1XG920FWSr23EdNX0sldDg

[icy sparrow]

https://youtu.be/8Ajedeud_K8?si=yRgBtBJP6zuf0HD2

[covert parcel]

bro the fucking hammer swing and charge sound effect lmao

[wise wigeon]

AKIMBO 93R

[potent pawn]

Whyyy isn't the revolver one bullet reloads so you can get more shots off??

[wise wigeon]

AKIMBO 93R

[icy sparrow]

Yeaaaaaaaaaa💥

[abstract depot]

is there any reason the ks-23 cant do headshots other than the fact its a "shotgun"

[sand monolith]

It doesn’t really need to. It’s already great

If it did any less damage for bodyshot it would be terrible and any meaningful headshot damage past 100 would make it kinda stupid

[shut bane]

can someone please explain why katanas automatically swing whenever I pull them out

[polar trout]

Where are you getting that number

[abstract depot]

i feel like if the sniper can do 230 a headshot i should atleast be able to do 200 with it considering

[sand monolith]

These are completely different weapons. The sniper is much more committal

[polar trout]

Make it do 150 then you still get the light one shot but it's a smaller number so people are less likely to get angry

[sand monolith]

It just doesn’t need a headshot at all tbh. The weapon is already really good

[hardy dust]

Ks is already decent

It just needs a small buff or two, not a full on headshot multi

[sand monolith]

I think it just needs no spread when ADS

Even if moving

[hardy dust]

Yeah, same with revolver

It doesn't add anything positive at all

[hallow leaf]

revolver needs one more damage per shot and more range and it would be golden

[plain wasp]

We don't touch breakpoints

[hallow leaf]

once the new dmr comes out there will literally be no reason to ever use the revolver again

[hardy dust]

It does not need 1 more damage

[plain wasp]

Did you see 3.0 LH1?

[hardy dust]

Unless you want a s3 lh1 situation again

[hallow leaf]

it does

[hardy dust]

Its 74 for very good balance reasons

[plain wasp]

And sword is as well

[hallow leaf]

they keep nerfing all the gadgets to cater towards crying lights so buff the weapons

[hardy dust]

Tbf 75 on sword wouldnt change much

140+40 is almost always better

It does reduce brainless sword play though

[plain wasp]

I mean it would only affect the bad sword players I guess

[hallow leaf]

"mines make a sound and have a light so all you need to do is have ears or eyes" -every light player seems to never use their eyes or headphones so they cry about mines are now they are going to be useless

[plain wasp]

140 + 74 + 40 is still optimal medium killing probably

[hardy dust]

Unless you phantom strike for 74 + 74 + 140

But thats only useful if you can't charge a lunge in time

[arctic fog]

i dont understand phantom striking

[abstract depot]

i feel its too innacurate to use

[sand monolith]

Revolver is a balancing issue waiting to happen

[hardy dust]

Lemme find a video that explained it pretty well

https://youtu.be/GtFEoQCyJb4?si=yB4r1vR5zLQjVGab

[arctic fog]

ty

[hardy dust]

Its at the ~9 min mark

[plain wasp]

Pretty much going through a gateway while swinging or lunging drags the hit box to the other side hitting anything in the way

[hardy dust]

Thats something else

And its basically unusable in actual games

[plain wasp]

That's not what you're talking about?

[hardy dust]

Watch the vid, its gonna be better than me trying to explain it

Im not gonna be able to explain it well

[plain wasp]

It kinda makes sense

The gateway shenanigans are similarly named right?

[hardy dust]

Idk if it has a name

But its basically useless

Too much setup for now enough reward

Although you could get some gimmick kills with it

[pseudo ember]

buff spear

[hardy dust]

True

[gilded plume]

which light weapon does 320 damage in one hit?

is it the dagger?

[brittle yoke]

yes

[boreal laurel]

Dagger backstab

And guess what, it’s getting a buff in S4 💀

[gilded plume]

!?

[boreal laurel]

Just a little one—you can charge up the stab and release at will instead of having to time the animation perfectly. Same thing for throwing knives right-click

[gilded plume]

invisibility + one shot melee is crazy

[sand monolith]

It has a very distinct sound cue and is still visible especially up close. It just takes some getting used to

[gilded plume]

yeah ive only actually seen it once

[dull marsh]

Do you think the dual blades are good? And if so should they get a buff or nerf

[leaden sail]

give heavy a gadget to make him invulnerable for the entire match

[cunning kettle]

iirc starting a backstab takes you out of cloak

cloak is pretty easy to see at close ranges too

[gilded plume]

it is, i personally just dont expect it most of the time

[cunning kettle]

for me its unexpected on the first kill, but afterwards unless im in the middle of a fight im on the lookout for a little blur running at me(and that loud ass cloak noise)

[vernal raft]

if a medium was given a smg could it be an exploit?

[white flame]

give the invisibility to heavy

[cunning kettle]

give sledgehammer to light

[white flame]

the spear would be more fun tbh

[cunning kettle]

would be more fun and silly (cuz of how long spear is) but imagine seeing a light dash at you with sledge

[white flame]

and give light the shield

[cunning kettle]

dash + shield + sledge 🙏

[vernal raft]

thats like the image of a skeleton running towards a double barrel shotgun

OH they should put a skeleton skin for Halloween, that would be awesome

[hardy dust]

One of the worst weapons in the game (2nd worst imo). Big buff.

[dull marsh]

Number 1s gotta be riot shield

[vernal raft]

yessir

wait-

we talking good or bad?

[dull marsh]

Do you think it’s good?

[wind hazel]

…

[vernal raft]

i always make it to the final round on tournament with it

[hardy dust]

Its also pretty bad, but a lot better than dual blades

Most of the time its just a straight upgrade to them

[dull marsh]

I think the aspect of it is pretty cool deflecting bullies but its a bit too slow to attack

[hardy dust]

Yeah, but the deflect kinda sucks...

It needs a much tighter cone so you can actually use it for damage at more than point blank

[dreamy hare]

played DB through pain and it's horrible, i like them a lot but the reflection is horrible
got on them lvl 4 and its very painful

[cunning kettle]

deflect is really inconsistent and you have to hold m2 for it to work so its just a gimmick feature 😔

[dreamy hare]

sometimes its just not deflecting... guy shoot me from 2-3m distance and i got animation of deflecting, but bullets dont hit him back... its very strange server issue

[hardy dust]

Yea sometimes it just doesn't do anything

[ornate juniper]

@hardy dust #👂┇game-feedback message
Don't they have higher dps?

[hardy dust]

Hardly. The difference is negligible

Its also harder to connect all your hits

[ornate juniper]

@narrow bane

#👂┇game-feedback message

I believe this can be solved with the ability to block an amount of incoming melee damage

For example 20% for DB
And 30% for RS

[warm shard]

wing suit for light

[narrow bane]

it already blocks incoming melee damage.

[ornate juniper]

As far as i know rn only DB are able to block and only 10% of incoming melee damage which is clearly not enough

[hardy dust]

50% iirc

[dreamy hare]

its more than 10% dude, its like 30 or 50

[hardy dust]

Same as bullet damage reduction

[dreamy hare]

when im playing with db i feel like deadpool from 2nd movie when he trying to deflect bullets but everything is going into him

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-reynolds-wade-wilson-deadpool-deadpool2-untitled-deadpool-sequel-gif-11699617

[hardy dust]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-reynolds-wade-wilson-deadpool-deadpool2-untitled-deadpool-sequel-gif-11699617

[ornate juniper]

Oh, okays
Well, i barely see DB players using this feature
Is a player able to counter attack right after blocking a hit or there's some kind of delay?

• maybe M's future Specialization for melee gameplay (if its ever going to be released) might help him in a fight somehow

[hardy dust]

Pretty sure there's a delay

And yeah, the main thing holding back medium melee is no gap closing

[narrow bane]

mainly
but i think a dps increase would do wonders for dealing with heavies

[hardy dust]

Last combo hit should do enough to kill a heavy 🙏

Why does it do so little damage

Should be 140 not 70

[cunning kettle]

doesnt it block 80% of everthing

bullet and melee

[ornate juniper]

🧐
I remember fighting M with DB who blocked but i don't remember him blocking so many damage

Otherwise i would have lost that fight even with Sledge 😆

[heavy tundra]

What about a wall running specialization for L and how to make it work

[cunning kettle]

passive movement buff for light as a spec would go crazy

[cunning kettle]

i mean if they block they cant attack, so you just need to hit them extra with seldge

[heavy tundra]

What if it was an activation passive like cloak, would running up walls be too op?

[cunning kettle]

the moment they go to attack then also then take 200 damage so its a lose-lose situation for them

[cunning kettle]

apparently melee is 66%

[ornate juniper]

The problem is that it's very hard to balance other melee weapons to Sledge, it's probably gonna stay the strongest for long

With the ability to start a fight with an instant 200 damage other melee weapons should have insane DPS to outperform Sledge in such scenario

So the only solution is to give other melee weapons good enough DPS to kill sledge if its user misses his secondary attack

I feel that spear itself has higher dps if i won't prepare my secondary attack in advance

[cunning kettle]

dagger with the 320 opening damage (doesnt hit like a third of the time):

[hardy dust]

Sledge is only the strongest because of winch

[cunning kettle]

dagger hitbox is so silly

[hardy dust]

Otherwise sword is best

[cunning kettle]

also its mainly an issue with medium melees, with light you can just dash to avoid the heavy attacks like a dark souls boss fight and with heavy you can winch them mid heavy attack to stop it

[ornate juniper]

Yeah but dagger isn't about a fair 1v1 fight)

[hardy dust]

Winch lets sledge not play as risky (compared to basically every other melee)

[ornate juniper]

So true
I always said that winch is too broken and needs to be removed

I don't know if there's a way to balance it properly
If it will be reworked so it won't drag you right under Sledge's attack it will still be too oppressive with SA

[hardy dust]

It should get some kind of counterplay

Its just a 12m free kill rn

[torn mantle]

One suggestion for a rework was an idea that youd have to hold it first and the longer you hold it the further it goes so its not just an instant grab

[ornate juniper]

That's an interesting Idea but i believe it won't solve the problem as well as range reduction (17 to 12m) didn't solve it

People will just prepare winch in advance and still drag their stunned opponents right under guaranteed 115-300+ damage

[torn mantle]

Maybe winch could get the target close to the user but not right next to them

And then the range goes back to 17m, but it only brings you in by max 10m, min 3m

[dreamy hare]

on db im hating this slow animation of equipping it, it's so long i literally can go and make tea and come back

[unborn stirrup]

Except then it cant be too long, because if it is someone can kill the heavy in the time he even winds it up

[torn mantle]

yeah, the winch is hard to balance in general. The best idea is probably still making it just pull players closer slightly, instead of right in front of the heavy. It still has the stun functionality, so it'd still be useful

[mystic nimbus]

it was displayed in game, but nvm check the finals chat pin msg

[icy sparrow]

How long till update? How many hours?

[icy sparrow]

When?

[torn mantle]

I do not know

[icy sparrow]

U said 9hours or something at many hours ago

I don’t remember the time he said it to do the math accurately

[mystic nimbus]

yeah that was the expected time

S4 is planned to release between <t:1727334032:f> and <t:1727387942:f> . (Time stamps are adjusted for your time zone )

[icy sparrow]

Well it’s 1pm here so it’s going to be more then 9 hour from now what about u?

[mystic nimbus]

it'll release around now till 14hrs from now max

[icy sparrow]

I sent a friend request maybe we play later 👍

[dark crag]

where is solo bank it?

[plucky spade]

Based update

[ivory flax]

no changes to ks-23? really?

[plucky spade]

You fr?

[icy sparrow]

@quiet mesa dev really wants heavy to do teamwork and team mates to cover u in the mean time for mesh

[plucky spade]

Also based cl-40 and data reshaper

[icy sparrow]

Update is here now

[plucky spade]

Looks hype

[turbid saddle]

Anti gravity cube buff!!

[vale obsidian]

@obtuse junco dude you alright man?

[plucky spade]

Mesh shield heavies now have to commit.
Ngl the 8 sec cooldown would be just fine without the hp decrease

[vale obsidian]

the playstyle is just less fun tho

[slow flare]

Decreased the damage fall-off start range from 80m to 50m

Decreased the damage fall-off end range from 100m to 55m

Dev Note: With the addition of alternative scopes/sights, we felt the LH1 was starting to stray well into the territory of the SR-84. This change reduces that to some extent

This is why adding scopes was the worst thing they could have done. We are now balancing weapons and the entire state of the game around scopes, rather than the actual weapons itself. The Finals has turned into every other first person shooter that we didn't want it to. The Finals was unique with mostly iron sights and they've ruined it now. There's not even a penalty for using them, like slower movement speed or something.

This is beyond ridiculous. The fact that people are rooting for scopes when something as simple as a gamemode for ranked was mass hated is insane.

[plucky spade]

Nah now heavy needs teamplay. ( Not sure if this is good tbh )
Pony, the scope indicated there is a problem with the weapon, not the scope

[vale obsidian]

"team play in SoloQ"

[viral quartz]

I feel like this change gives LH1 its' uniqueness in the roster of weapons with the addition of scopes, so LH1 is not just an SR-84 with better fire rate.

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-mad-angry-kid-tantrums-gif-17338734

[plucky spade]

I mean casual is there if you just wanna drone yourself

[arctic compass]

Anyone play a game with mesh yet?

[wooden rock]

Mesh Health didnt got nerfed, but people went crazy, before s4 was alredy live

[plucky spade]

@hazy rivet damn who would've expected 1500 extra hp out of nowhere to be blatantly op

[ashen hawk]

ye. either increase the sprrad OR decrease range. but knowing embark cuz its a med weapon theyll nerf its damage, recoil, mag size, reload speed, and almost everything else lmao

[hazy rivet]

try a glitch barrel mouth breather, i throw down barricades all the same, its almost like heavy is a defensive class you buffoon

[plucky spade]

Yeah but 1.5k hp was too much to be portable like this you imbecile, plus i will agree the hp nerf was a bit much, since you force heavies to commit now.

[vale obsidian]

im not trying to defend it balance but being your team shield is so fun
this one time in season 1, teamfight HMM vs HMM and both heavy pull up shield infort of each other, shit FEELS So fking cool

[plucky spade]

The cool factor is cooling. Tbh im not sure how you would get rid of HMM meta

They trying for 4 seasons now

[plucky crown]

Was hoping for a buff for the revolver 🥲

[plucky spade]

Would be extra funny one tapping lights indeed, we live for light tears

[plucky crown]

Even now when double eagle is much better at range than revolver 🥲 the cowboy build has to wait more

[hallow leaf]

They really buffed the riot shield but not the dual blades? Riot needed a buff but now there is literally no reason to use dual blades they are officially the worst melee weapon in the game... Fuck these devs

And no revolver buff, no fcar buff, explosive mines are now useless, the one charge thing is okay but the damage nerf was uncalled for

[plucky spade]

Fcar still fine, revolver has a fine line between making lights irrelevant and being stupid, explosive mines Idk

[pale lion]

mp5 is so ass now

[pale lion]

need to dump half a mag with all headshots to kill a medium

[ornate juniper]

Well, it was broken be4 so enjoy balance

[pallid moth]

Let’s go riot shield

And it blocks winch now 🔥

[bitter surge]

What?!

[pallid moth]

Yessir, we lit

[tight yarrow]

the dagger feels bad to use now ;w;

im so used to just clicking right click that holding the button down feels wrong

[icy sparrow]

No the long time hold makes it feel bad

[bitter surge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009830578545246213/1288826445417939036/IMG_9638.png?ex=66f698a9&is=66f54729&hm=c0193e72f3d0f7021a7a0b907adf58b249d7f32aa7bef1f63dcd310c651687d3& NOOOOOO

[idle reef]

the buff for the revolver is the addition of sights, as a rev main I'm excited and I'm expecting it to feel a lot better

[bronze spade]

it feels a little better but still punishes you for moving around

[idle reef]

as it should

[tight yarrow]

Thats what I was saying

[icy sparrow]

U weren’t being specific about the time for holding but plz be vocal on the suggestion thread as it’s a problem for me as well,join me with the suggestion

[tight yarrow]

Where is the thread

[icy sparrow]

Did the dash cool-down improve?
I can’t tell

[tight yarrow]

it feels better but idk

[icy sparrow]

Here #👂┇game-feedback message

[icy sparrow]

It might be optimisation in general all things feel good

[gaunt osprey]

The new DMR for medium feels very overtuned

[arctic compass]

Nerfed rpg dmg but not didn’t revert handling so now the dmg sucks and its slow sigh

[craggy monolith]

im so pissed they decrease the magazine size for akm

[fleet brook]

Reading the patch notes and I've just come to the dawning realization that 1 heavy may never be both fun and balanced and 2 they will never actually know what to do with the RPG

[subtle jackal]

I dont like the hold dagger lung! it feels off. The old way required skill and felt smooth and not clunky like it is now

[fleet brook]

And as not to be overly negative dagger isn't a good destruction tool rn because of its stupidly long CD

[covert parcel]

i dont wanna be that guy
but isnt the M26 matter a bolt action shotgun

[plucky spade]

Nuh uh, learn to be sneaky

[tight yarrow]

I LOVE the way the sword feels now

[fleet brook]

Embark in the same patch notes

We have noted people are saying heavy is getting less fun to play because we keep nerfing them and they're our least played class (honestly thought that'd be medium) but we'll try to monitor making them fun and counterable

Important nerfs mostly changes

Weird mgl buff

We always wanted RPG to be a destruction tool so we're lowering the damage not decreasing the CD at all and hoping people want a 45 second CD destruction tool

[covert parcel]

i think just gutting it for a season so people stop complaining, then slightly rebuff the next season to its "intended" state is the idea

[crisp heart]

I had a game that I was doing too well with the sword that people started taunting me when they had a chance to kill me.

[fleet brook]

May just be heated from them removing shield juggling which I didn't think it was that strong

[covert parcel]

same with the CL40, they gutted it in S3 bc S2 was too strong; now S4 its back

[crisp heart]

also, one mistake with the sword is enough for my entire team to rage quit it seems

[covert parcel]

so maybe S5 it might come back if this is too much of a nerf

[crisp heart]

@fleet brookyou have to think of the not so skilled, new players though

[fleet brook]

I'm just saying it's wild to say we know people are saying they're having less fun because we're nerfing heavy

So we're gonna nerf heavy more

And make sheild objectively worse

[covert parcel]

in high elo heavy was the winning factor in most team fights

i mained Mesh Shield Heavy, me spamming my shield + 350HP was a free kill or 2

cool down was a good idea, but they prob need to give something to compensate for casuals

[crisp heart]

and, if someone tried to do that high elo stuff on a low-ranked comp. things get a bit complicated

[covert parcel]

recoil control, team coordination, game knowledge etc

once you learn recoil and audio ques light just gets dumpstered

[crisp heart]

which is why H nerf is fair and H is still strong regardless of nerf

[covert parcel]

tell that to casuals though

[crisp heart]

they know, they just don't want to admit it

[covert parcel]

cough its the hp values fucking over low elo vs high elo meta/balancing

[silent holly]

Whats the damage of the deagles?

[covert parcel]

75 Head, ~38 body

that was in the S4 preview idk on release

[fleet brook]

I've never saw sheild juggling as oppressive though also when I was new it was the beta so it's been awhile for me ig

[crisp heart]

YOU never saw, devs has the stats and info. and the nerf happened for a reason.

[lapis canopy]

WHY TF DO I HAVE TO HOLD TO BACK STAB WHIT MY KNIFE ????

[fleet brook]

Also low elo players are the on saying heavy feels bad and over nerfed high elo players say heavy is oppressive and strong
I am somewhere in the middle on the issue heavy is strong BUT feels like cheeks to play without winch/ hammer combo

[tight yarrow]

Its a "buff" everyone that played dagger before s4 including me think its a nerf

[covert parcel]

small hit box, high DPS, good hitbox obscurement BUT 150HP
big hitbox, low DPS, bad hotbox obscurement BUT 350HP

recoil and audio ques are already understood by high elo, wonderw hy light is bad in high elo and heavy is bad in low elo
hp is the main force in balancign classes

[fleet brook]

Also fair it's just sheild was one of those things I've never seen people complain about in heavys arsenal there's always been decent counterplay and it took heavy out of the fight and it had the skill of deciding when to drop it and using its HP as a resource

[covert parcel]

HHM was most likely the main force of this
Mesh + (charge/winch) + Heal Beam
x2 Dome + Defib

ultimate HP sustain tea,s VS DPS teams

[fleet brook]

Shield juggling is also a skill (not a hard skill mind you) but it added some depth

[fleet brook]

Tbf lights getting more which confuses me but it's also about team utility

[covert parcel]

more of what?

[fleet brook]

Team utility

Heavy has/had sheilds extreme defensive stuff and light is just a selfish class in the beginning

[covert parcel]

ahh

[fleet brook]

Different game but kinda the octane in apex problem compared to literally anyone else

[covert parcel]

havent playex apex in a hot minute wdym

[lapis canopy]

hwo tf it that a buff you cant run and right clic you have to slow your self down

[fleet brook]

Octanes ability is sacrificing help for a boost in speed this doesn't help his team only really him and the ability to which this helps is EXTREMELY skill dependent

Meanwhile most other characters even offensive themed ones have a way to help there team in there kit

Leading to octane just being one of the worst legends GENERALLY unless the player is highly skilled

[lapis canopy]

my brain not braining what they did to my dagger

[covert parcel]

so selfish kit is what you mean
you mean lights whole kit?

@lapis canopy can you not tap right click to backstab?

[vale obsidian]

it let you hold right click i think

[fleet brook]

Yeah lights early kit and design was a selfish flanker and they're losing that identity to become generally good

I always thought lights weapons were designed with

You getting the first shot off being one of the most important things

[crisp heart]

It's because the timing of the back stab needs to get used to, and (new) players just refused to use/ get good with it

[lapis canopy]

cant launch a back stab whitout ~1-1.5 sec charging i feel bad compare to what it was

[crisp heart]

like, would I spend hours of my time trying to learn backstab tricks for the dagger? or do I want to just master the XP

[covert parcel]

99% sure thats how it always was
the only change is you can hold the backstab now

before if you hit you still did the 1.5 second animation to backstab

[crisp heart]

i think it cancels if you released too early

[covert parcel]

ohhhh

[burnt canyon]

Man these irons are good, crazy to think the fact the fcar was talked ab over the ak cuz it had a Holo really shows how far we've come

[plucky spade]

Νo it wasn't it was really simple tbh, now shield has even more skill ceiling, i'd like to see the hp nerf reverted though

[plucky spade]

It ok bebe you can still dash

[burnt canyon]

Either 750 hp and cool down or no cooldown and 500 hp tbh

[bitter kindle]

Can someone tell me the new weapon for med and light?

[plain wasp]

Little model and big LH1

[crisp heart]

Model for light and LH1 for Medium

[lapis canopy]

@plucky spade @covert parcel im not gonna miss inform so im just gonna go idk but im going on practice range to train it cause it doesnt feel good at all

[bitter kindle]

R they good

[plain wasp]

Probably, I haven't played yet

[crisp heart]

man, just test them out

[burnt canyon]

Lh1 for medium is really good, just hard to figure it's pattern

[covert parcel]

bolt shotgun light, DMR medium, dual deagles heavy

m26 Matter, 556 Pike, 50 Akimbo

[bitter kindle]

What about attachments

[crisp heart]

the devs says it's pump action

[plain wasp]

DMR has a scope

[covert parcel]

default is x2 scope on 556, extra is irons

[bitter kindle]

W

[covert parcel]

@crisp heart

[plain wasp]

Are there any guns without a scope?

[bitter kindle]

Finals is back in its prime , boutta feel like a movie

[covert parcel]

"erm its technically a bolt action!! 🤓 "
bolt action pump action same difference just looks different

they still go "chick chuck" after shooting

[burnt canyon]

Lever action/pump action/ bolt action, but ARE YOU getting any action?

[covert parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/stven-he-steven-he-bejing-corn-gif-24360672

[crisp heart]

right, with the sights upgrade. what's the big difference between FCar and AK now?

[plain wasp]

Bolt action has a bolt
Pump action has a pump
And lever action uses a lever to rechamber

[burnt canyon]

Recoil and personal feel it seems, maybe damage per shot

[covert parcel]

chick chuck

[burnt canyon]

Iirc fcar beats every class faster than ak in ttk

[wintry crane]

[crisp heart]

I feel like instead of giving FCar Iron sights. they should add a magnified scope as an alternative

give them a bit of a difference

[burnt canyon]

If they gave the fcar it's s1 recoil and a higher mag scope there's a good chance the famas would be an awkward middle child since famas beats fcar and ak in ttk in the mirror

[bronze spade]

its good right now with the iron sights

[burnt canyon]

I think the pike is going to invalidate the other medium options sans model when people get good with it's pattern

[burnt canyon]

Yeah it feels really good, but tbf I'm not liking the ak red dot

[crisp heart]

like, what's the point of picking AK if the FCar is just better. (vice-versa) they should have one key difference. ammo type. scope-magnification, anything

[burnt canyon]

It was always the mag size, but it's getting similar over time

[plain wasp]

Just give one of them a suppressor or something

[crisp heart]

it's almost the same with M11 and the XP

[burnt canyon]

Well since they nerfed the hipfire on the XP, XP is definitely meant to be a hipfire up cqc sub

[plain wasp]

I feel like that's the m11 and xp should be mid range

[crisp heart]

with good recoil control, it can be

you just have to train like those cs:go pros

[burnt canyon]

XP can be long range though that's the thing, well at least s3 and prior

The crazy part is that all of the broken weapons on release were gen2 weapons added in beta

[crisp heart]

XP should be effective Midrange while ads. M11 should be better in cqc

what about the Fcar and AK though?

[burnt canyon]

And all of the classes suffered the same problem of the alternative weapon always being superior to the other, XP/m11-fcar/ak

[plain wasp]

I mean they have their advantages

[crisp heart]

Lewis/m60 oh wait, lewis doesn't get a sight

[burnt canyon]

Ak should be stronger upclose as it is the guerilla weapon whereas the fcar should have higher mid control

[plain wasp]

M11 is closer range with faster ttk
AKM should also be the closer range one

[burnt canyon]

Imagine if the close range weapons had a speed buff for wielding

Barring the shotguns

[plain wasp]

Only melee should maybe have that

[crisp heart]

but they won't

[burnt canyon]

The issue with complex buffs and nerfs is that there's too many weapons in the game that a small tweak can push over the line into another's role

[crisp heart]

they'll probably adjust the hip fire accuracy and recoil for both weapons

[plain wasp]

If they buff move speed on melee it should just be walking and crouch walking and not running speed

[crisp heart]

and damage drop-off

[hasty pilot]

yippieeeeeeeeee

[burnt canyon]

Perhaps a damage falloff or damage buff for specific ranges

Say the XP loses damage when the m11 gains damage within the crossover range

Once you go beyond that range, the XP gains damage over the m11

Only issues is because cashiuts can be manipulated with many means now, good players can force defends in situations and play height at distance and invalidate close range weapons unless a team gets in and has to force the exchange

Either way this would make cashiuts matches close range orientated and the final round most likely med long range

[candid goblet]

yo i’ve just died to a turret spawn peeking a jump pad too many times. please either nerf it or give it a cooldown of like 5 secs after shooting for 10 or sumthin i’m begging #lightslivesmatter

[fierce kraken]

Flashbang
Increased the max duration of the Blind status effect from 4s to 4.5s
Increased the max duration of the max intensity of the Blind status effect from 1.8s to 3.5s
Increase the intensity of flashes that explode close to the enemy’s position

[crisp heart]

they already buffed flashbangs though

[burnt canyon]

Can only make a screen go so white lol

[crisp heart]

he wants the player to also go blind

[fierce kraken]

I CAN'T SEE AAAAAAAAAH
MY EYES

[burnt canyon]

I've only seen flashbangs used well in power shift and that's cuz 3 at one time actually makes you unable to see shit lol

[crisp heart]

Think fast chucklenuts!

[bronze spade]

a good combo with frags as well

[fierce kraken]

I want to get a high rank not a pair of glasses

[crisp heart]

I've died to a lot of flashbangs from my own team and it's always on powershift

[burnt canyon]

Feels like multiple flashes at once actually stacks the duration

[fickle radish]

get both

[bronze spade]

throw both flashbangs then then throw both grenades

[burnt canyon]

Flash into frag CL40 if you are a real man

[fierce kraken]

Falshbang change point 6
Decreased the intensity and duration of the Blind status effect on teammates

[plain wasp]

Or alternate flash then frag then flash then frag

[bronze spade]

then a mine

[crisp heart]

what it we have a Flash mine

[burnt canyon]

1 mine per loadout now is mega nerfed CL40 spam

[plain wasp]

Or...
Throw a gateway over the point with a heavy ready to charge n slam through

[burnt canyon]

Imagine stepping on a flash mine then getting winched by a heavy flamethrower in the room

[bronze spade]

parry them off the cliff with the dual blades

[crisp heart]

a flash mine, with flashbang and just be a menace

[placid vine]

GAS OP in S4

[burnt canyon]

Kinda toxic fr

[plain wasp]

I think it could do that the whole time

[crisp heart]

I also died to a lot of friendly gas grenades. also in powershift.

[bronze spade]

have the whole team throw the gas and flash

[placid vine]

Myaru, you're supposed to not breathe the gas

[crisp heart]

I want the stinky brap cloud

[bronze spade]

i used to tk my own team mates with the mines

[placid vine]

me when my man farts

[burnt canyon]

Technically the team isn't suppose to throw it on Myaru lol

Real threat identified

[placid vine]

nihilist were we just playing together like 10 mins ago?

[bronze spade]

if they are crane sniping, its my duty

[bronze spade]

nihilistic

[burnt canyon]

I've come to terms with the fact that when teammates hit me with pyro grenades it's because they want me to get heated and play better

[crisp heart]

I just want to clear the platform, why are there gas everywhere?

[burnt canyon]

Probably the exact reason I run thermal bore in pwrshift

[crisp heart]

you see the green brap cloud, and then you see white

[bronze spade]

then you see the cl40

[crisp heart]

no, you don't see anything else after white

[burnt canyon]

Speaking of why don't we get a Nama Tama zombie skin for the gas grenade, so it's just the bad egg blowing up into a rotten stink cloud?

[bronze spade]

cl40 the jumpad

[crisp heart]

I feel like powershift is weirdly sweatier that actual cashout

[burnt canyon]

Cashout doesn't have everyone swap to snipers when they start to lose

[crisp heart]

I start as Light, and swap to heavy when I'm losing

[bronze spade]

i start as a med and end with med

[crisp heart]

that's pretty med

[burnt canyon]

I just spam nades and double barrel when I start to lose lol

I may lose the battle, but not the blood pressure war

[crisp heart]

Lose the battle, but make sure the enemy sniper loses the blood pressure war

[low bison]

No fcar changes ?

[hazy spoke]

no running with charged dagger is stupid

[plain wasp]

Why would you be able to move full speed with an instakill at the ready?

[burnt canyon]

It does feel that the fcar has a slight fire speed increase?

[plucky spade]

Raquis moment

[burnt canyon]

Lol

[pine grail]

Are the dual deagles good

[untold pilot]

first time messaging here, but just started s4 and has everything changed? chose heavy for the new contracts but the flamethrower doesn't kill contestants with full health and the specializations last 3 seconds. might be me though idk 🤷

[shut bane]

Flamethrower should not have changed much I don’t think, and only mesh shield was nerfed to have a cooldown after putting it down

[pine grail]

Flamethrower is busted and the specialization is shorter

[untold pilot]

hmm, good to know, is that the same for all builds?

[pine grail]

No just certain shit like mesh

[icy sparrow]

Dagger is soo bad now

[vital forge]

About time frontstab got dealt with

[junior ledge]

Is stun gun the same?

yea looks like it from notes lol

[broken wave]

RPG self damage still over 100 😩

[junior ledge]

deserved

[icy sparrow]

It was fixed months ago now u have to hold for too long to use back stab

[vital forge]

RPG does not feel good for combat nor does it feel good for destruction. I love how light class has more capabilities for Destruction then the destruction class......

[slender schooner]

The back to back xp nerf hurts me

[junior ledge]

how so lmao

[hardy dust]

???

[vital forge]

Rpg got nerfed to 100 dmg & already has a really long cooldown

[junior ledge]

im asking how light has more destruction than heavy.

[vital forge]

3 breach charges & 2 thermal bores is 4× more destruction than 1c4 & 1rpg

[junior ledge]

u just gonna pretend heavy has nothing else on its class? 😂

[hardy dust]

Heavy has more than that

Literally one charge and slam activation will probably do as much damage as that

[junior ledge]

hammer doesnt even have charge

[vital forge]

How should a heavy take down a hanging structure?

[junior ledge]

red cans?

[vital forge]

Notice the conversation being on gadgets?

[hardy dust]

No

[vital forge]

Brick

[junior ledge]

u nvr said it was only for gadgets LOL

[hardy dust]

You

[vital forge]

Light most destruction

[hardy dust]

Heavy has sledge and cns on top of other gadgets

[junior ledge]

guy butthurt his copium weapon for nerfed even tho its still good 😛

[hardy dust]

Overpowered crutch got nerfed :(

[vital forge]

Been using frags for months because they're better

[hardy dust]

You do you

[junior ledge]

congz guy

[vital forge]

5 destruction gadgets on one light

[junior ledge]

name all 5?

[scarlet escarp]

Wait Ain’t No Way Someone’s Saying Heavy Has Less Destruction Than Light

[vital forge]

Three breach charges & two thermal bores equals 5 destruction items to be brought with any loadout.

Versus flamethrower heavy that gets one RPG and one C4

[hardy dust]

Sledge, cns, c4, rpg and goonade

[vital forge]

Sledge is a primary weapon

[hardy dust]

Goonade to send stuff flying

[junior ledge]

Thats two gadgets u named but u almost reach 5! Keep trying you can do it 😊

[hardy dust]

Literally just cns and you'll have more destruction

[vital forge]

And I know you didn't just fucking say goo

[vital forge]

Breach charge comes with three charges and thermal bore comes with two. That is FIVE usable gadgets at the moment of spawn

[hardy dust]

You obviously havent seen what goo can do to buildings

[vital forge]

Yes it's goo it goos

I've been using Goo since Dome Shield got neutered

[hardy dust]

You probably think goo does nothing but make a wall for cover

[vital forge]

It definitely does not provide destruction

[spark igloo]

That's the equivalent destruction of like one charge n slam

[vital forge]

Yeah let's charg & slam all the way up to the hanging structures

[junior ledge]

Ur original argument was comparing classes, not just gadgets

[spark igloo]

You can't breach charge those either?

[hardy dust]

What does that have to do with light having more destruction

[scarlet escarp]

How The Fuck Would Breaching Charge Help There Anyway?

[vital forge]

My original argument was only talking about the destruction gadgets

[hardy dust]

Nope

[junior ledge]

But ur an idiot so imma let someone else cook u

[vital forge]

lol get cookin

No one has made a valid point yet

[spark igloo]

C4 and rpg have about the same destruction as the 2 light gadgets

And there's also no point in a light running breaches and thermal, light NEEDS other gadgets for survival

[vital forge]

Sure... if there were five of them also. There are only one of each on a fairly long cooldown. Therefore light ends up with more destruction capability.

[scarlet escarp]

Unless You Run Sledge, Or CnS

[vital forge]

That would remove my primary weapon

[hardy dust]

I think they're saying "if you ignore the best destruction abilities on heavy, light has better destruction than heavy"

[spark igloo]

Maybe? C4 cooldown is the same as breach iirc. Idk what thermal bores is

[vital forge]

Again there's only one c4 charge for heavy even if it is the same cooldown light still has three times the amount.

[scarlet escarp]

45 Per Charge To My Knowledge

[floral topaz]

do the different sights have an affect on the guns stats?

[spark igloo]

One c4 has about the destruction as 3 breach charges

1 breach is on a 30 second, one c4 is around a 30-40 second

[vital forge]

So not only do you get 3× less C4...it's on a longer cooldown

[plucky spade]

This guy plays tf2 with lagswitching 100%

[silk cargo]

different uses

[spark igloo]

Are you reading anything I am saying

[vital forge]

Oh definitely one is used to open walls and the other is used to take up a spot in the reserves.

[spark igloo]

Yeah breach charge

[silk cargo]

you can put c4 on a cashout and knock it over so its invisible

[spark igloo]

C4 is still hard meta on heavy btw, like that's just a thing

[vital forge]

That's pretty sad

All that says is they have neutered 99% of Heavies gadgets

[spark igloo]

All it says is that c4 is really good?

[vital forge]

Frag nerf incoming

[spark igloo]

It's literally been meta since cb2, it has not left the meta once

Even when heavies gadgets were much stronger

[vital forge]

Frag Nerf incoming

[spark igloo]

???

[vital forge]

Frags were already Superior for kills and now Heavies are picking them so they will be nerfed

[spark igloo]

Frags have never been better than rpg?

They might be on par now idk I haven't played new rpg yet

[vital forge]

100dmg long cooldown< 298 dmg short cooldown

Frags have already become a higher pick as a result and people will grow frustrated

[covert parcel]

bro rpg did it all, its gutted for a reason

[spark igloo]

frags are somewhat difficult to hit, can be avoided, and have wind up time and roll. Meanwhile rpg is very easy to hit while being instant

[sharp forum]

RPG on top

[vital forge]

Now it does nothing but sit in reserves

[covert parcel]

thats kind of how meta works

its still going to be used just less frequently, 100 splash damage on impact is strong

[vital forge]

2 rpgs 74 dmg would have kept everybody happy and useful

[spark igloo]

I doubt it, it's still extremely good and I'd say required on any close range loadout

Like it's for sure staying on my sledge and sa12 loadouts

[vital forge]

Does more damage to yourself close range

[covert parcel]

because it was a must pick and did it all for OB-S3

[spark igloo]

why would you use rpg in cqc when you have a cqc loadout already

you use it for ranges you can access otherwise

[vital forge]

Hold on I have to ask my light teammate to take down the suspended structure.

[spark igloo]

you say that like a heavy has even been able to solo take down a suspended structure without red barrels

[vital forge]

That hasn't been possible since nukes

[spark igloo]

i.e. with red barrels

ig you probably could with other barrels but thats basically the same thing

[vital forge]

HAHAHAHA that's funny

[fleet brook]

Besides destruction it's a bad destructive utility and it's left heavy without long range destruction ever since its CD Nerf (which at the time was needed)

[spark igloo]

every class has access to red barrels

[vital forge]

You obviously have not tried to take down a suspended structure with red barrels I just threw 13 of them

[spark igloo]

You arent doing it right then? You have to prime the red barrel and time the explosion

[fleet brook]

Not arguing with you but S1

2 C4 (you had that at base)

1rpg

And a carefully placed sledges

[spark igloo]

from the ground we mean

[fleet brook]

Nvm

[hazy spoke]

holding that long wouldnt be an issue if you 1. could run while doin it and 2. could see exactly when its charged and dont need to hear a awfull charging noise that you btw cant hear if there is someone shooting bullets next to you. PLS FIX DAGGER EMBARK YOU NERFED IT AGAIN BUT AT LEAST ITS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

[spark igloo]

its an effectiveness nerf for a consistency buff

I like it because you no longer have to predict where the enemy will be when you stab

While I do think that it could have just been completely buffed by not changing anything and adding hold to stab I do understand that the 1-13 quick cash console Johnny has trouble looking at dagger players

[icy sparrow]

Exactly my thoughts especially the audio

[shell sonnet]

@crystal garnet
I do "waste" the charges
But that rarely has a negative effect (on me at least)

Maybe im just ecstatic because of the new season, but i do think its pretty good now
(Especially with the 3 charges when turrets are around)

[ashen hawk]

EMBARK, i beg u pls dont nerf the akimbo forgodssake. its so much fun to use, just like how lewis now is, we dont need a nerf on it. IF u rlly do wanna nerf another heavy weapon, just go for falloff nerf or projectile. cuz nerfing too hard will cause it to bcm like lewis an yet another backlash from the community

[icy sparrow]

Lol nerf of Lewis and akimbo,I sense it….
The pike hipfire too

[ashen hawk]

its going to go back to where it was. i mean the lewis buff is an indication of mercy from embark to the heavies, but akimbo nerf is guaranteed, unfortunately

[bitter narwhal]

I love the revolver 2 shot light and medium 🙈

[strong holly]

deagles definitely need a nerf

i’m getting beamed from across the map with them

is revolver with sight any good

[grim kite]

The Riot Shield has been buffed, why not the Twin Blades? This weapon has a lower usage rate than the Riot Shield.

[grim kite]

embark really forget this weapon

[ashen hawk]

the only nerf they should get is a damage falloff, nothing more. like how many heavy nerfs do yall want, i think we shd get a break for them. exactly
@uncut pike
ur opinion abt the mesh nerf is valid
but cl40? its completely justified. the numbers seem high, that doesnt mean its too much. go back to s2 and remember the cl40 in its original state without the nerf.
I mean forgodssake, its a grenade launcher. theyre supposed to have area splash damage. and if they dont then its dumb bcz, they have lob trajectories, making it harder to hit accurtely, then a small mag size, coupled with a hellish reload time. we need splash damage otherwise trying to hit accurately with an effing grenade launcher is suicide

[bitter narwhal]

I've always used the revolver without a sight, it felt weird and I was missing most of my shots after I attached a reticle.

Needs some getting used to

[icy sparrow]

Help me in the suggestion thread for all us melee player

Have the dagger show a visual glint and accurate audio cue that it’s fully ready to do a backstab.

U should be able to click once for a backstab and hold it too plus u get slow when holding so it’s fair,with the fast time to kill for buffed guns we need a proper dagger,devs already did it for throwing knife secondary attack so now dagger too,the sword got a buff in range but dagger is incomplete.

[strong holly]

lmao same people that complain and nerfed light to the ground lol

loving these heavy nerfs

[ashen hawk]

Embark, I'm still waiting for the new gadgets and specializations, so lemme throw in some ideas in the meanwhile, just to let u know the view of the community (or a real tiny part of it):

Gadgets:

• Rematerialzation Grenade-- Saw this from some awesome guy who posted this idea on reddit. THought ishould pass on the msg. Throwing it causes it to spawn a sphere like that of a dome shield in which any destroyed area would slowly come back. Could be useful for med/light.

[ashen hawk]

nerfed light to the ground lmao
Tell me what things with the lights have been actually nerfed other than xp54 and sniper

[boreal laurel]

Well LH1 but not by much

[ashen hawk]

lmao same people that complain and nerfed heavy to the ground, have been doing since season 3

[strong holly]

stay mad buddy just a game ima be happy playing these nerfed heavy

[ashen hawk]

ye exactly but anything else???

[strong holly]

lights have the lowest win rate lol😂

[boreal laurel]

Nope 😄 sword buffed, dagger buffed, TK buffed, 93R…well…

[ashen hawk]

lmao be happy while knowing how heavies have the highest win rate than any other class in the game-- proved by embark themselves

[fleet brook]

Tbf It puts dagger in my top 3 consistent one shots

[strong holly]

justified nerfs then lol

[ashen hawk]

honestly shit
dw heavies still got the highest win rate

[fleet brook]

Which I hate consistent one shots

[ashen hawk]

yet even after all those nerfs we remain at the foremost lol
them light buffs for nothing

[fleet brook]

And sucks to play

Just cause you have a high win rate doesn't mean it's fun to play

[strong holly]

cool can’t wait for more nerfs

[ashen hawk]

ik its not fun to play i changed myself from heavy to med main ever since the nerfs began

[pine grail]

The dualies kind need a body buff

[fleet brook]

Devs in the same patch notes be like

Heavy isn't fun and we here you

MORE NERFS

[ashen hawk]

ye for lights lmao
after all this backlash lights gonna get nerfed srry

[ashen hawk]

ye real thats the prob
and the biggest prob with light players is that so many of them tend to be selfish asf
like i get theyre fun to play but still cmon protect the cashout station fgs

[strong holly]

i play all classes anyways but lights get unnecessary hate when they’ve been the worst class since the beginning of the game lol

[ornate juniper]

Because a class with least HP will always require most skill to be useful

The problem is that embark doesn't understand this and tries to build the balance around noobs while skilled players already play triple L and shred lobbies

Main H problems rn are Winch and Slam which are unbalanced and provide less teamplay options than Mesh did

At the same time other classes broken things like 1887 and Stun Gun left untouched

[fleet brook]

Tbf there entire playstyle is selfish flanker

[strong holly]

mediums and heavies always crying

[fleet brook]

Tbf they "changed" mesh but I'm counting that as a nerf

[vital forge]

Rpg nerf is a sledge nerf

[ashen hawk]

dont forget tk
but no the thing is that the lights tend to forget the obj entiretly as well as their team

[boreal laurel]

To me medium is actually the less fun of the two. Though riot shield and Cl-40 might change that…

[fleet brook]

I love them vs us in my videogames

This is a high octane shooter game mostly populated by casual teens to mid 20s every class has their complainers

[ashen hawk]

ye just wait till a light nerf lmao

[strong holly]

i’ll just play medium or heavy lol

[ashen hawk]

honestly so happy for riot shield

[fleet brook]

I prefer it because of the supportive nature of it the problem is when you're supporting idiots

[strong holly]

i can play all classes not a one trick pony like heavy mains 🤦‍♂️

[ashen hawk]

ye so u understand what happens to us everyday

[ashen hawk]

ofc u can we can see that by how ur speaking here against heavies lmao

[fleet brook]

I started out maining light (still play it)

Switched to heavy cause destruction fun

Switched off heavy to med

Back to light

Now it's heavy/light

[ashen hawk]

fr fr

[strong holly]

i use goo gun so none of the nerfs really affect me lol

[fleet brook]

This is a competitive game being able to flex is an expectation not a strong point

[ashen hawk]

then go aruge with someone else and stop talking abt other nerfs if they dont affect u lol

[ashen hawk]

this fr

[fleet brook]

And if this game ever sucks or stops being fun for me I just go play other games

Like the TK infestation that happened

[sacred vapor]

what is TK ?

[fleet brook]

Throwing knives

[sacred vapor]

thank u

[fleet brook]

I honestly don't get what they want the RPG to be

Because they say they want it to. Be a destructive tool but didn't adjust the over half a minute CD on it

A destructive utility isn't good if it's faster to die then to wait out its CD

[crisp heart]

It make sense if you start thinking "both"

They want it to be both a destructive tool and to deal damage, but they have to balance it so that it can be, both

[covert parcel]

almost as if they dont realize the crutches theyre giving to the lowest HP (dash - invis - small hitbox) are exactly the reasons why noobs/casuals hate lights & leave the game / experienced think light is utter dogshit (150HP)

maybe just raising lights HP to*175, bigger hitbox + nerf evasion tools + slight DPS nerf

[crisp heart]

Or, they could double down on the whole "dodging" thing and make their hurtbox even smaller with the same health

And increase their speed

Heck, why not make dash have some invunerable frames as well? It'll be fun trust me

[hazy spoke]

I DONT Know this thread where do i find it. i think it would be nice if zou can onlz hold the backstab, but run allways and they should remove that noise cus its annozing

[icy sparrow]

Here #👂┇game-feedback message

[ashen hawk]

Anyways emark heres a list of some gadgets and events that id like to see in the game:

Gadgets

• Rematerialization grenade-- spawns a hologramic sphere like the dome sheild that brings back destroyed walls and floors to back where they were, as in repair structures within the sphere
• Energizer: A type of blue/yellow/white colored turret with a bolt sign that increases movement and reload speed for u and ur teammates, as well as dec gadget cooldowns, while the players are in its radius. it could be a blue beam of light
• Automated Flamethrower-- A turret with a short range that spews out fire like a heavy flamehtrower, and does it for a few seconds. i had a few ideas for this. EITHER the flamthrower could spew out fire to the enemy when the enemy is in radius, OR it could periodically spew fire in all directions without concerning how close nearby enemies are.
• Dark mirror/window-- A huge black-tinted window that u can deploy in place of a wall that allows ur teammates to see out of but not any other player, ie the enemy.
• Ice Shells-- Tiny cylinders that u throw to nearby doors that make a wall of ice on the door/entrance on impact. very flammable but otherwise hard. could also reflect bullets in random directions

Events:

• Supercharged-- Increased movement and reload speeds, coupled with jump boosts for all players when sprinting. Gives off an electircity animation from the players. If sprinting for too long, the electricity animation intensifies and the player starts to take a bit of damage until a few secs after they stop. so theyre overcharged.
• Flash Floods/Floor is Lava-- Water/lava slowly rises from the ground and players are forced to go up to the top floors. Falling in even water results in instant death, and the revive totem comes up to the last place. All classes have same speed--medium's speed, cuz heavy parkour would be difficult.
• Randomized-- U guessed. Random loadouts from any class, with some exceptions(no sledge with light)

[crisp heart]

Honestly, incompletely charging attacks should just continue the attack and not cancel it imo. I got used to the charge time, but in the rare chance that I release early in a very important skirmish, It can be a saltfest

[crimson wedge]

I gotta say I love the dual 50 cal pistols for heavy... I don't have any words for the other two guns I just like the heavy pistols

[vernal raft]

What if, hear me out, light can wall run but only with grapple

[gentle stone]

They’re the best heavy weapon I’ve played with tbh

[crisp heart]

• Can of Ospuze: basically adrenaline rush

[gentle stone]

What if they buffed the damage of the sniper to 125 per shot since they added the bullet drop feature

[vernal raft]

They what!?

Now i have to use my sniper skills from Battlefield T^T

[ashen hawk]

holy shit i require that
maybe we could get a gadget from each of the major sponsors in the game)

[gentle stone]

They didn’t actually do it I’m just saying what if they do do it

Cuz then the medium can get one shotted with a headshot

Plus it’s only a 10 damage buff that kind of makes sense cuz this is a sniper

[shell sonnet]

I think that people use it as/want it to be a combat tool is holding them back

If they just remove the part that some people like it they will get complaints

[crisp heart]

I've been asking for this months ago too.

[fleet brook]

I'd rather them take a hard-line stance one patch then soft nerfing it every patch because now it sucks at both uses

[shell sonnet]

✅

Opinions on current cl-40?

[vernal raft]

Should I go on a streak asking everyday here for Embark to add a skeleton skin by Halloween?

[fleet brook]

I'm also confused on why you as a dev would admit people aren't having fun on a class then say because of win rate we have to tune them down still

And then do the thing that you say is causing people to not enjoy a class

[fleet brook]

It's alright nothing special you're still probably better off with an automatic

[crisp heart]

I always see the cl-40 as a direct hit grenade launcher. I wish they adjust it so that it'll have less splash damage if it didn't hit anyone.

[fleet brook]

But buff the damage to compensate right?

[crisp heart]

Sure

[fleet brook]

Also if it did little splash it wouldn't punish you for using it close range

[crisp heart]

It's still a grenade launcher so you still take damage

[fleet brook]

So little to no damage to opponents but decent damage to you?

That's a slug gun at that point with self damage

Also I think the splash is to reward hitting grouped up enemies

[crisp heart]

No damage to opponent? Do you not know what direct hit is?

Also, it would be very good weapon for those who really liked the Loch-and-load. Which is a fun weapon in it itself.

[fleet brook]

Ik it's not balance related but I really wish new weapons would stop going up in cost

As a vet it's not a big issue but I couldn't imagine having to start over or being a new account

Like are weapons in season 5 gonna be 2K

[crisp heart]

Also, what are you doing shooting a grenade launcher at close range? It's like that picture of a hostage taker pointing an rpg at a hostage.

[fleet brook]

Any grenade projectile hitting a body shot or the characters hitbox I main junkrat in ow

[fleet brook]

There's no secondarys in this game so if you find yourself close to your opponent you get fked

[crisp heart]

And I like to play Light sword, welcome to my life

[fleet brook]

Not saying it's bad just saying no secondarys kinda sucks

Also lights and heavys can force you into short distance even if you didn't start there

[fair stag]

Can someone share thoughts about new m11, it feels kinda weak after nerf, maybe i should use it differently?

[crisp heart]

Just hit your headshots. And maybe stun them first. I've been seeing people using tracking on them first too idk why though

You kinda have to get used to running and gunning and learn when to disengage and reengage into a different angle. That's why warp gate, breach charge, thermal are very useful flanking tools

You're not like heavy or medium who just need to find cover and wiggle around

[sand monolith]

@patent oar

I think you have more than 1 inspect equipped

That was added last season. You have to unequip the ones you don’t want or else it plays from the pool of what you have equipped

[junior ledge]

not being able to swap gadgets in reserve in ranked. hmmm not sureeeeee

[patent oar]

You're right, I had two selected. Thank you!

[pine grail]

Buff these trash dualies I swear

[sand monolith]

No problem :))

[pine grail]

These things are crazy with headshots and unusable with body shots such a bad design decision for a inaccurate weapon

[thick sierra]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[quartz juniper]

SEASON 5 WEAPON WISHES

Full auto Glock (MAYBE DUAL) for light or medium Lever action rifle (MAYBE WITH FIRE, explosive OR SHOCKER AMMO) for light or medium

PPSH ,Tommy gun, mp40, for medium

PPSH or Stoner 63 or BAR extended mag or Musket for heavy

MY TOP PICKS IF ONE FOR EACH WOULD BE

Winchester lever action with shocker that slows your movement a little for LIGHT

TOMMY GUN or PPSH FOR MEDIUM

EASY CHOICE FOR B.A.R extended mag HEAVY

Let's show EMBARK we want them yolks, share any of you agree 🤘🏻

We already got duel DEAGLES, and the DMR let's keep it up!🤘🏻

BUG FIX REQUESTS

Thankyou for decreasing dispersion rate for RPG, please do the same for KS-23 when moving and jumping, I understand it has trajectory or whatever where u have to lead the shit but the accuracy drops drastically when in "uncontrolled states" Also please add one more.slug to the KS_23 ammo

THANKYOU EMBARK

[crisp heart]

Why do you keep spamming this? The mods/devs have already read this and is probably written in a post-it somewhere

And probably thrown away

[covert parcel]

cant rejoin; 8th crash in 3 hours of playing

9th crash in less than 5 minutes embark what the fuck

rez and i cant see this is awesome

[vernal raft]

Looks cool

[keen knot]

What do u guys think the meta this season is

[sterile crypt]

FEELS SO GOOD TO HAVE MY CL BACK!

[vague monolith]

Since c4 damage doesn't stack anymore, I really want 2 charges again. 1 charge was to prevent nuke spam, you can't throw nukes anymore, so let me get 2 charges back for destruction

It's my favorite gadget but it's useless as is

[alpine ledge]

They bogus for changing the heavy shield ts lame 😂

[shut bane]

Two c4 charges would be nice, without the damage they were still really fun weapons for environment manipulation

[vague monolith]

I haven't had a chance to play but the time seems too long across the board for the mesh shield. It should be something like 8 and 4 instead of 15 and 8

[alpine ledge]

Fr ts shouldn’t have changed tho wasn’t a problem

[shut bane]

Spammable, but I’d have done something about cloak and taser if spam reduction is their focus

[vague monolith]

They're looking at raw win rate from what the patch notes say. Heavies win more because it's harder to play selfishly as a heavy. Lights lose more because it's easy to get carried away and ignore the objective as a light

It's also incredibly common for new players to be attracted to the light class in games. If you look at games like TF2, new players typically pick the scout, sniper or spy. You will lose if you don't know what you're doing as these classes, but that doesn't mean the classes are under performing

[icy sparrow]

Copy my text #💣┇weapons-gadgets message

[alpine ledge]

From season one it’s has always been a counter for shi people use the same thing and get mad ts pointless you running light but nobody I played w run glitch grenades same as a medium w the data reshaper ts just be pointless

[brave walrus]

trying to buy the new sight for my akm, why can’t i do it?

[supple perch]

That might not be what they meant. They might mean that heavies just straight up get more kills and teams with heavies win more fights

Have you used the hammer and flame thrower and rpg? Heavies arent weak and they have more health

[vague monolith]

Nah they're not weak, but it's also hard to find a heavy alone compared to a light

[supple perch]

I've seen the opposite. A heavy can more easily fight 2 or 3 people

[vague monolith]

I usually see a light stroking his shit on the crane, or 5 rooms away accomplishing nothing

[supple perch]

Charge slam and rpg and hammer or spin the spear

Cause they're vaguely weaker

[vague monolith]

I am definitely not saying it's irrelevant, but it's easy to be a shit light and hard to be a shit heavy you feel me

[supple perch]

Had no counters to a heavy up close

[vague monolith]

You can walk away from a heavy generally

Fr I think it's a skill floor thing with the win rate data

[supple perch]

Thats all true but better players pick heavy cause its better. If someones good as lite with a bow, they'd still be better as a med or heavy

[vague monolith]

My honest take is that the game sucks when light is good. I am biased against lights.

[valid garnet]

Haven't gotten on yet cause im stuck at work but douse the new light shotty kill a heavy in 3 or4 shots?

[crystal garnet]

I think what people fail to understand about Light vs Heavy is that in the beginning, people said Light has the highest skill ceiling when in reality its Heavy that has a higher skill ceiling. Its a lot harder to be a great heavy than it is to be a great light. Lights are annoying but you just need to adjust your playstyle and theyre an easy counter. The bigger issue stems from stacking LLL, MMM, HHH is when it can become annoying to play against.

Do the heavy nerfs suck on paper? Yes, but they are still incredibly crucial to winning games. The only thing a light can provide for your team is some extra kills. But this isn't TDM. Light is objectively the worst at stealing and holding an objective

[valid garnet]

I will agree heavy is pretty tough i played alot of heavy and either had alot of matches where i do well or get stomped on

I usually main heavy or light tho so ive experienced both ends (tho at a medium MMR level

Plus my only excuse of light maining is running a support kit thats anti meta

Aka cloak/vanish bomb/smoke grenade/and either breach charge or pyro gernade

Oddly works its turned tables especially when the cashout is in the open

[supple perch]

This is why i wish there was more emphasis on speed and escaping encounters. But they added that with the bonus cash for depositing

[copper sinew]

Where is that picture of R6 Fuze dropping on a hostage like a wrestler when we need it?

[slow crane]

medium again prolly lol

[covert parcel]

HMX most likely, HHM still very strong it just forces 1 heavy to shield bot the whole time

[slow crane]

100% agree, heavy skill ceiling is super high, and i think heavy nerfs are to balance out HHH teams, not necisarrily heavies in general, they can still be extrelemy viable in a MMH or LMH, but less so in HHM or HHL

[slow crane]

and shield got nerfed, so it's not as viable anymore (still good, just not as good)

[covert parcel]

yeah its gonna force 1 heavy to hold shield the whole time, now im wondering if were just gonna see x2 winch/charge tho

[shut bane]

Did deagle get bloom

[alpine ledge]

Ok regardless why are you trying to fight them up close your movement alone should get you to a spot that’s on yall play-style 9/10 a heavy running behind or near their ppl so of course you finna take that L

[pine grail]

What works best with dualies

[fluid remnant]

If you're going to tank the RPG damage, don't also increase the recharge time. Reduce the recharge time please

[fervent sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/dhsrp-tape-bftape-ben-w-ugdps-gif-21670380

Petition to make this a gesture emote ⬆️

[fast herald]

Heavy still a viable contender? I mainly main heavy over other two classes. Was wondering on it. Haven’t been able to play new season yet

[restive plover]

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http://id.embark.games/id/giveaway

[shut bane]

Just make a glizzy knife skin and give it the pencil animations

[strong holly]

holy fuck i can’t wait for embark to nerf this pike

i’m frying people across the map this gun takes no skill lol

[sage swift]

Ngl embark yall funny for dropping pike the way it is😭😐

[shell sonnet]

had this happen, wonder if thats recreatable...
could this be useful?

[shut bane]

Lights finding out how annoying lh1 and snipers are

[strong holly]

the pike is the best gun ever 😂

[sour jewel]

Upgraded sniper

[strong holly]

i haven’t lost a game

[shut bane]

Slap a scope on the lh1 and boom, same thing with better close quarters reliability no?

Doubt they touched it unless I’m wrong

[strong holly]

pike has no recoil at all 😂
embarks re funny

they didn’t touch the lh1

[shut bane]

Even if it had recoil it wouldn’t change how accurate it is if the fire rate is slow

[strong holly]

well ima just abuse the pike cause it’s so goated

[shut bane]

Lol

[strong holly]

i’m 3-5 tapping everything

😈

[junior python]

we should get ebony and ivory from devil may cry as a skin for the new dual .50 pistols

[loud oracle]

Pike is so gross

Hopefully a tweak is incomming

[calm turtle]

how are the new guns?

[wanton glacier]

The Pike needs to have recoil increased. It has almost none.

[strong holly]

medium definitely X that😂

[junior python]

YUP

[shut bane]

Recoil on pike won’t do nothin lol

[wanton glacier]

Maybe a change to the size of the charger?

[tranquil oracle]

i think the pike needs the sniper rifle treatment but at 20m, i want it slinging rocks at people. it will become a huge problem

[junior python]

give it irons

[shut bane]

Mag size? Maybe but it’s already so low

[shut bane]

You can already use irons on it and they’re arguably much better than the scope lol

A bullet drop range wouldn’t be too bad an idea, apply it to lh1 as well at shorter ranges too

[wanton glacier]

That's what I think. Changing it could leave her pretty defenseless at short or medium range.

[wanton glacier]

Do you recommend the iron sight more than the default one?

[shut bane]

I prefer it personally

Close range is much easier though you need to be more precise at longer ranges, with scope you gotta rely a bit on hipfire which is still really good apparently but irons are just nice to have I think

[wanton glacier]

[junior python]

Make the pike buckshot

Or even better birdshot

[gloomy glade]

CL-40 got buffed?

[cedar jolt]

are pike hitscan or nah

[restive plover]

Bro I’m getting slaughtered rn

[next mountain]

I want a minigun for the heavy

It would put my adhd brain into overdrive

Also I had some ideas for gadgets and weapons if anyone is interested in hearing

[polar trout]

Yes

Alot more DMG (can now 3 shot heavy iirc) better aoe, but lower rpm to compensate

[wary cedar]

Getting used to the new backstab is going to be such a headache

[plucky gust]

Embark pls implement some of the changes done to the 93 r to the famas, like the bullet dispersion and recoil on the later bursts in the mag is quite horrid. Improve that

[cosmic swift]

What else?

[valid garnet]

welp time to grind the whole day for one weapon

[next mountain]

Ok so an idea is a gadget idk for who an explosive crossbow after firing it and it sticks in an object or player pressing the fire button again detonates it dealing heavy damage to the enemy and others around them

A talent idea I have is a flamethrower turret

[restive plover]

Bro

Heavy is already killing me with a flamethrower most of the time and you want a flamethrower turret

[next mountain]

Eh it was a dumb idea

I get the issue as it would be a pain too balance

[shell sonnet]

heard the rate of fire is bugged and still at the higher value, got any info on that?

[next mountain]

Actually how about a healing turret

[shell sonnet]

thats what healbeam shouldve been tbh

deployed, heals all in an area, glitch or shooting turns it off

its got counters and the medium needs positioning and timing skills

[humble ice]

It's only a 3-shot if you're coming from TF2 as a Demoman and can hit all direct hits, in my experience

[next mountain]

It would spray a healing fluid

[plucky gust]

not rlly people are focused on certain things nowadays like balance, are there any cheaters, anticheat? skin pricing, how ranked works. People don't rlly have time to savour things like feature/gadget design, UI, themes, map details

[shell sonnet]

basically pvz healing station

[next mountain]

EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING

[shell sonnet]

;)

[plucky gust]

u have good ideas its that people just belittle them cos its a pvp game and developers are creatively limited in what they can or cannot implement due to game balance

[shell sonnet]

yeah
also keep in mind that its easier to be negative then positive (imo)
and that people quickly write an idea off if something similar annoys them

no harm done in mentioning it though, discussion is healthy

[next mountain]

also a healing granade

[shell sonnet]

not sure if im a fan of self healing

healing in general is pretty strong, anywhere outside of the special slot it would need to be so weak its basically useless

[next mountain]

Yea

A gadget for heavy would be a sticky granade launcher has 3 granades that can stick to objects

Also a dumb idea a bee granade it would explode into tiny robotic bees that would attack players in a versinity and follow them a little bit

The granade would stick to a wall and would spew out a swarm destroying the granade would deactivate them

Or they will deactivate on their own

Another idea idk how this would be implemented without breaking the game but the hack it would convert enemy mines or turrets into your own

[next mountain]

Maybe it would be a talent

Also a sludge granade it would leave a sticky substance on the ground walking on it slows enemies and throwing it on teammates puts out fire

Or puts of fire in general

[magic dove]

The deagles are so fun, they made me convert to heavy and i love it

[shell sonnet]

Like a homing gas grenade?

[next mountain]

Kinda

Teammates would disperse them by shooting each other

[shell sonnet]

Not sure about that

Im rather cautious with new items, they have good potential to throw off balance hard

[next mountain]

Or shooting the swarm

[shell sonnet]

Slude grenade sounda nice though

Diy ladder
Ambushing enemies
Maybe even pulling cashouts and getting them stuck in a wall

Would be a bit like grav cube though

And i personally would like to see anti gravity as light spec

Wall/ceiling walking

Made a post about that before as "gecko boots"
Problem would be motion sickness

I could redo that though with kinda like spider legs that keep you upright, colored like dematerialized walls

Wonder if that would trigger arachnophobia

[next mountain]

Maybe for light like a single shot flare gun

It would light enemies on fire and would detonate any traps in the area

[polar trout]

idk, i thought it felt the same as last season but i thought i was tripping