💣┇weapons-gadgets

[copper axle]

the famas melts w hs

[vale obsidian]

asking me?

[night sinew]

its not anymore, its just straight up two shots

[vale obsidian]

yeah i was saying that...

[timber igloo]

When was this patch?

[jade violet]

yes which ar u like

[night sinew]

season 3 launch

[jade violet]

if they want nerf medium

[ornate juniper]

My balancing suggestions

1. Rework SR-84
   • Increase time between shots
   • Increase reload time
   • Increase damage to 120-130
   • Add projectile ballistics

2. Buff KS-23
   • Increase damage to walls so that they break with 2 shots instead of 3
   • Increase damage to APS, Goo, Guardian Turrets

3. Rework Throwing Knives
   • Increase damage
   • Decrease projectile speed of the basic attack
   • Increase pause between throws of the basic attack

4. Nerf XP-54
   • Significantly increase damage drop-off at range
   Or
   • Decrease damage per bullet by 1
   • Decrease magazine capacity by 5 rounds

5. Nerf Model 1887
   • Slightly increase time between shots
   • Increase damage drop-off at range

6. Buff R .357
   • Reduce damage drop-off at range
   • Increase magazine reload speed

7. Nerf SA 1216
   • Decrease damage per shot

8. Buff 93r
   • Increase damage per shot

9. Buff FCAR
   • Increase bullet damage by 1-3
   • Decrease magazine size to 22

10. Nerf LH1
    • Decrease fire rate
    Or
    • Decrease bullet damage

11. Buff melee weapons
    • All melee attacks receive multi-hit

12. Rework Spear
    • Change the second attack to a thrust with increased reach and damage of 120-180
    Or
    • Make the second attack a spear throw with damage of 120-180. Cooldown of 10 seconds, with the option to approach and pick up the spear (same interaction as picking up mines)

13. Rework Winch Claw
    • Interrupt the pulling animation when an obstacle appears in the target's path
    • Make it impossible to pull through Dome / Mesh Shield
    • Change the distance at which the pulling animation of opponents ends:
    ° L is pulled in almost the same way as now, within the reach of the basic attack of the sledgehammer, but without the possibility of finishing off with a quick melee
    ° M is pulled outside the reach of the heavy attack of the sledgehammer
    ° H is pulled outside the reach of any attacks of the sledgehammer
    • Increase hook throw range to 15 meters

[copper axle]

complaining ab sh1900 is a new low for heavy mains holy shit

[vale obsidian]

akm is my goat but im starting to like famas more bc its hipfire

[ornate juniper]

14. Rework RPG
    • Decrease damage to 80-100
    • Slightly increase blast radius and environmental damage
    Or
    • Decrease damage to 50-70
    • Give a second charge
    • Increase blast radius and environmental damage

15. Rework Charge N Slam
    • Reduce damage from the first collision to 60-80, and from subsequent ones to 30-40
    • Halve damage from jumping on enemies
    • Improve character control during ability activation
    • Make it possible to destroy the environment during ability activation controllable
    • Decrease CD a little

16. Rework Stun Gun
    • Reduce duration to 4-6 seconds
    • Significantly increase cooldown
    • Allow gadget use and interaction with environmental objects (doors, ziplines, barrels) during the effect, but prohibit movement and use of any relevant specializations (Charge N Slam, Grapple Hook, Evasive Dash)
    • Prohibit aiming during the effect and increase screen shake

17. Rework Defibrillator
    • Reduce reviving time
    • Decrease HP restored

18. Buff Tracking Dart
    • Add periodic poison damage throughout the duration, which will deal a total of small damage (20-40), but will thus block passive HP regeneration

19. Buff Data Reshaper
    • Add the ability to turn enemy mines, APS, Guardian Turrets into your own
    • Add the option to choose which barrel to transform into when using on barrels
    • Create a very small area in which one charge will be spent for two items of the same type (e.g., two mines sitting on top of each other)
    • Allow use on reusable items (jump pads, zips) and pre-set the number of uses after which they will be transformed

20. Buff Gravity Cube
    • Add a glitch effect to players within its area of effect

21. Transfer reworked Stun Gun or Winch Claw to M to allow this class to utilize its melee weapons

22. Buff Dematerializer
    • Increase the depth of each charge's effect to avoid situations where transformed surface has a blocking obstacle behind

23. Buff Flashbang
    • Increase blindness duration
    • Increase the degree of blindness
    • Increase CD

[jade violet]

why not nerf glitch trap first

[vale obsidian]

stop spaming

[ornate juniper]

24. Make Gas Grenade explode on impact

Other wishes:
• Reduce amount of coins available in WT from the start from 2 to 1

• Remove Low Gravity as it makes melee and grenade launcher players gameplay much harder which is not fair as firearms still remain their precision while melees and grenade launchers can't even hit targets properly

• Add sticky explosive grenades with 80-100 damage but a larger blast radius than Frag Grenades

• Make a skin in the form of a light bulb for Flashbang

• Make a skin in the form of a mint-tipped toothpick or drink stirring stick for the Spear

• Make a skin in the form of a Molotov cocktail for Pyro Grenade

• Make a skin in the form of a test tube with reagents for Gas Grenade

• Make a skin in the form of shoehorns for Dual Blades

• Make a skin in the form of a hookah for Smoke Grenade

• Make a skin in the form of dynamite or a round bomb with a fuse for Frag Grenade

• Make skin in form of dried fish for Throwing Knives

• Make a skin in form of slingshot for Recurve Bow

• Make skin in form of tennis ball machine for MGL32

[copper axle]

lh1 needs a fire rate buff other than that pretty decent

[vale obsidian]

...

[night sinew]

not a heavy main, keep being toxic and crying tho if it helps u

[timber igloo]

And a hip fire buff

[vale obsidian]

heavy hate burst damage in genaral (3 people focus fire also count as burst damage btw)

[copper axle]

it does. (: it makes my day slightly better every time i tell a "not a heavy main" to go fuck themselves

[copper axle]

rpg sa12 charge c4

[jade violet]

I like KS,Famas,XP54 in this game

[vale obsidian]

did i studder :)

[jade violet]

RPG,KS,Dome Shield,Wall Shield

Ram

[vale obsidian]

hammer are a fun one

[copper axle]

idk still think its pretty funny when heavys cry ab lights burst dmg when lights hole role is burst dmg/dealing dmg kinda fast (and heavys amount of burst dmg/heal beam is imo why light is so off meta rn/and ofc lights gadgets being useless in teamplay aside from gateway)

[vale obsidian]

i was talking in the view of average player "fun"
not high level meta and balance
also i 100% agree with that

[jade violet]

Light VS Heavy=Tracer VS ReinHeart

and Medium=Soldier76

[vale obsidian]

expect reinhart have range brust damage

[vale obsidian]

with mercy staft 👍

[ornate juniper]

Which exactly gadgets that only Lights have r useless? I can only think of a tracking dart

[copper axle]

reinheart if he had a ability that instantly put tracer on 10 hp. he also has a gun

[copper axle]

"being useless in teamplay"

[vale obsidian]

gas nade?

[ornate juniper]

Light is totally fine and even OP in some moments

[jade violet]

ok then,RoadHog?

claw heavy with KS?

[ornate juniper]

Okay, which exactly gadgets that only Lights have r useless in teamplay?

I can only think of a tracking dart

[vale obsidian]

just claw heavy in genaral is basically hog

[copper axle]

ok ok yeah so heavy is road hog reinheart with a gun with a ability that isntantly puts tracer on 10hp

[vale obsidian]

why are we painting heavy with other game anyways? heavy is heavy

[copper axle]

everything but gateway compared to med/heavy there's no real reason to play light

rpg does lights job

[vale obsidian]

light is good but heavy is great 👍

[jade violet]

its Reinheart+RoadHog+Game"ThePrey"

guys do u know the goo gun from Bethesda Game "ThePrey"?

[ornate juniper]

That's cringe
Glitch and Sonar nades r both very useful if used properly

[ornate juniper]

RPG just needs to be nerfed or reworked

[jade violet]

The Prey your first weapon is a wrench and goo gun

[vale obsidian]

nuh uh

btw how much burst damage can heavy do thoritically?

[brazen mango]

Heavy is a Tank and a mix of several concepts the same way Light is mix of a lot of DPS characters like Reaper, Sombra, Tracer and Widowmaker

[vale obsidian]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
that why i love class systum over hero systum

[jade violet]

@vale obsidian https://youtu.be/aJ9x3AtGADM?feature=shared

check this video buddy

[brazen mango]

Heavy is a teamfight "anchor" of sorts the same way tanks work in overwatch, heavy is meant to deny areas with their presence and is the core of teamfights, if you get 2 shot as a heavy by a Double Barrel Light then either you or your mediums are dog fucking shit

main issue with the meta rn is glitch traps, winch and model

RPG and charge are also issues but they would be fine with smaller tweaks, RPG 140 -> 120 and Charge initial 120 -> 90

[jade violet]

Gloo Cannon→Goo Gun

[brazen mango]

Light isnt useless in teamfights wtf the issue why light doesnt have a spot is because medium has been doing their role better in some way all the time since release

old FCAR and Nukes made Light useless and so does the current glitch trap shotgun meta

[vale obsidian]

hammer right click doing 200 damage into-
charge&slam can do 400-ish damage in the most ideal stiualtion
maybe bumb them into your 2 expo mines and 2 pyro mines doing 490damage (with after burn)
slide back to rpg for 140 damage

all together do 1230 damage, pretty neet

[copper axle]

reasons why theres no reason to play light atm: dome sheild baricade sa12 ks lewis m60 charge flamethrower c4 rpg heal beam defib glitch traps med movement model-light is "the dps/glasscannon class" yet light gets out gunned by every gun in the game lights role is also to be able to deal large amounts of dmg quickly-model sa12 rpg c4 ks charge n slam etc etc so in a competive game what are you gonna play the class that has 150 hp and can kill a med in 1-1.5seconds and has a teloporter and glitch nades that never work or the class with 250 that can heal other teammates has glitch traps (pretty slef expletory) and can kill a med in 0.8 ish

[brazen mango]

DB and SA12 are both perfectly balanced in how they function (the main issue with SA12 being winch)

[copper axle]

thinking sa12 is balanced atm is crazy dude

[brazen mango]

not my fault you suck and facecheck the fat guy with an SA12

[copper axle]

i dont? maybe explain your point insted of just saying im bad

[vale obsidian]

that might be better for goo gun balance tbh, it make goo locking not as annoying

[brazen mango]

SA12 is useless outside 7m and isnt easy to use against teams with good positioning

its current state is very balanced

[vale obsidian]

i wish that gun do lesss damage but more range sso its a more situationally genaral shotgun

[brazen mango]

eh I think its great where it is rn

[copper axle]

i agree its the one gun with balaced spread/dmg falloff but rpg barricade mesh charge etc all allow close range fights+we are in a shotgun meta ethier sa12 needs to be nerfed or m60 and lewis needs to be buffed imo

[brazen mango]

no they need to nerf model and glitch traps and buff medium rifles, all the Lewis and M60 need is usable recoil

[vale obsidian]

yeah it is balance but i to do at least some damage at range for finishing off that annoying light, getting away with it with 10 hp left
(talking about heavy quad shotty)

[brazen mango]

RPG and Charge need small tweaks, mesh and barricades are fine

[copper axle]

m60 recoil is fine the dmg falloff is horrendous lewis recoil needs to be fixed i agree- yeah ofc model and glitch trap needs nerfs- defib and healbeam also needs reworks eg; reses light faster/when getting shot u gain heat on healbeam etc

[copper axle]

imo rpg needs to be towned down into a destruction tool like 2 charges 70 dmg max etc

[brazen mango]

defib and heal are fine

[vale obsidian]

well wee been saying that tbh

[brazen mango]

they just need to get rid of Double pocketing on heal

[copper axle]

yeah ik ive been suggesting it since the end of s1

[brazen mango]

double pocketing should take twice the charge so healing 350 health on a Double pocket will overheat both beams

Light could use a specilization thats usable besides invis and maybe another way of glitching people

[vale obsidian]

i was going to say "just make the beam can't beam the person who already getting heal"
but i like your susgesstion more

more risk reward

[copper axle]

imo defib just needs to be buffed to benefit light and do somthing about MMH healbot (when rpg is reworked/loses burst dmg MMH will prob become meta)

[copper axle]

i agree id be down for anything tbh

[copper axle]

glitch nades just needs a small buff imo to make them better than barrels but i agree about the spec

[vale obsidian]

make it glich throw shield

[brazen mango]

Glitch nades are fine

[copper axle]

glitch barrels need to be removed then imo

[brazen mango]

a good Glitch nade still instantly shuts down any attempt at a push and can very easily result in a teamwipe because that team loses their entire burst damage and sustain

[copper axle]

i completely agree but ive gotten the same/similar results with bounce pad into glitch mine/barrel

and imo it takes away from how usefull glitch nades actually are

[brazen mango]

yes but thats a glitch barrel/trap issue

[copper axle]

imo barrel just needs to be removed/ a 2 second glitch effect and just make glitch trap back into mines

[brazen mango]

real

idk Light team util is pretty strong but they can always use more

there is no variety beyond gateway, stun and glitch nades, the only other useful picks are Thermal vision and Frags

[copper axle]

gateway and glitch nades and maybe stun are the strongest imo but ofc traps and barrels take away from the nades

[timber igloo]

But idk abt gateway cuz when I use it my teammates must be stupid cuz they don't use it at all

And we have comms on discord

[copper axle]

yeah basically

[brazen mango]

yeah your team is stupid cuz ive literally harassed @vernal cypress and @tidal anvil into taking my gateways consistently at this point

[copper axle]

use it to transfer the cashbox/a pocket tp (throw one out and when ur low just throw down and tp out)

[timber igloo]

Yeah I do that but then one of my teammates just picks up the box before it goes through

[brazen mango]

Light has 3 S+ Options (Win Conditions) and then nothing worth using besides some swap-ins in A tier against certain matchups (and frags)

[copper axle]

if you put it right above the cash will go right through

[timber igloo]

Frags are good tho for taking out teams

[brazen mango]

yes but they arent a reason to run Light

you can have a medium on HMM on Frags aswell at that point

[copper axle]

vanish and stun are kinda interchangable imo (also data reshaper is meta buddy)

[timber igloo]

Yes ig but when my team splits up for some reason i have to take a few fights by myself and frags help with that

[brazen mango]

not really no because stun actually has value

Vanish is useless with cloak imo and Dash is a B tier spec

[timber igloo]

Idk abt clock I would love if they made it last a little longer by getting rid of the 25% use on activation or if they made the clock more effective

[copper axle]

fair im a sword main imo its interchangable w what i run w cloak i agree tho

[timber igloo]

I bet u hate stun guns

[copper axle]

not really i just start screaming for my heavy like 90% of the time ill survive a stun

[timber igloo]

Lol

Wait does rpg damage teammates?

[copper axle]

No

[vale obsidian]

nope

[timber igloo]

Bro my heavy dont know shi abt his class then cuz he thought he killed one teammate of ours

With the rpg

[vale obsidian]

@celest silo reason why i want stun gun to block gatgid instead of spec is because of FUN, balance is not everything my man

[celest silo]

And get shielded the moment you stun, sounds fun

[vale obsidian]

COUNTER PLAY

any game ever love those

you get stun you can responce and NOT sit there waiting to die

play melee vs light with stun and see what i mean

also the stun gun user will now have to THINK instead of just stunning on cd

ingaging gameplay, any game love those

it is a nerf tho so *maybe * it can get a deration buff

[celest silo]

You counter stun by playing as a team

It’s a risky ability that had full counterability and is very hard to land against good teams

But is well balanced and makes it rewarding if the light can stun and somehow get out

Abilities should not be nerfed because shit players split up then get insta killed

[timber igloo]

Also if the light ain't that good u can hip fire em to death especialy with the fcar

[celest silo]

Yup

[covert parcel]

how is c4 S tier

bro THERMAL IN A??

[brazen mango]

holy based

[brazen mango]

C4 drops are the strongest form of cashout defense there is

[covert parcel]

ohh

[brazen mango]

Hard Counters Invis completely

cloak only strong till the enemy Light still beams you out of it at 30m

[covert parcel]

thermal vis, aps, data reshaper; all completely dependent on enemies comp & utility

fucking hate running those when* i get a dead match up with them

[brazen mango]

yes but Reshaper and APS dont hard counter any specs, thermal does, thats why its so strong

only reason its not S is because it hard counters Light, and there is a lot of things that do that, like glitch traps or RPG even

[covert parcel]

glitch trap S+

cant wait til they make it 1 charge 2 down max and then nerf it again

(i run it 24/7)

[brazen mango]

any heavy that tells you C4 isnt S tier is dogshit btw

[covert parcel]

i must be dogshit (barricade my beloved)

i grab so many reds for drop

[brazen mango]

there is legit nothing you can do against a C4 underneath a cashout that lays on the floor that you cant shoot or reshape, that Heavy will always stop your steal

[covert parcel]

i just predrop to ground level every time i can

[brazen mango]

you lose cashout stall time by doing that tho

[ornate juniper]

С4 is almost useless

[brazen mango]

remember your objective isnt to kill people on your cashout, its just to waste their time

[covert parcel]

i bully my teammates to grab greens or use gas mines

[brazen mango]

found the dogpiss terrible heavy

[covert parcel]

literally just spam greens every 7-8 seconds, they cant do anything

[ornate juniper]

Lol, cringe lord L telling me how to play on H

[brazen mango]

considering I can almost certainly play a better heavy than you despite playing Light yeah

[covert parcel]

ego is insane

[ornate juniper]

Live in ur imaginary world
You'll get clapped if our teams meet in WT

[brazen mango]

"C4 is useless" legit tells me enough about someone to do that 💀

[covert parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/lightbulb-lightbulb-head-idea-think-thinking-gif-18301424426727536900

[brazen mango]

whats ur embark id

dont recite the bible to me just tell me your embark id

[ornate juniper]

Tell me yours and I'll tell you mine

[brazen mango]

Skul#7469

[ornate juniper]

MrPipkin#0162

I remember wiping someone with such nickname, hope it was u

[brazen mango]

most likely not :)

hope we match in S4 tho I havent been playing WT much

no point in stomping bots for wins on a worthless leaderboard 💀

[ornate juniper]

We definitely played with each other at least once
But yeah, hope we'll meet in S4

[covert parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/madness-combat-baby-fight-gif-22113478

[brazen mango]

I dont remember your name so I for sure didnt lose to you is all I know

I remember the names of people I lose to for the most part

[covert parcel]

"im so good guys haha ima just be passive aggressive even though were the same exact skill level"

[restive plover]

There should be a fire extinguisher gadget

[covert parcel]

smokes cancels fire
fire cancels gas
gas & smokes amplify eachother

[restive plover]

Like it fires smoke

[covert parcel]

?

wdym

[restive plover]

An extinguisher gadget that fire smoke like particles

[covert parcel]

smoke grenades do that

[restive plover]

Yes but its only for light

[covert parcel]

ahh

[restive plover]

So a gadget that fires more transparent smoke could be useful for support

Could even be a weapon

[celest silo]

Breh you crazy

And bad

[ornate juniper]

Sure, trash
Ur opinion is very important to me

[vale obsidian]

based, but i don't like the light 1v1 being "who hit stun first win" that why i susgessed that change

[celest silo]

U sound like a angry bot

Why is baby mad? U need help getting out of gold

[ornate juniper]

What's ur embark id?

[celest silo]

No clue

But I think being top 5 in my class is good enough for mes

[celest silo]

Ima be honest no light duels come down to tazer

And if they do the guy that tazes will prob lose

[hardy dust]

Light 1v1 is who gets the first shot most of the time

[vale obsidian]

i swear every light 1v1 of mine is either "stun and kill" or "get stun and die"

[celest silo]

This

[hardy dust]

Stun is wasting your first shot in most scenarios

But if you're not as good with your aim, it could be a better move

Doesn't work against people with better aim unless you have a good angle

[brazen mango]

Derp is one of the best comp heavies in the game 💀

[brazen mango]

also this

using Stun in a Light 1v1 is a throw 99/100 times

[vale obsidian]

whaaaaaaat

[celest silo]

He’s fully right

If 2 top teir light fight each other the winner is the guy who baits his team the longest

[hardy dust]

You could be shooting the class that dies in 0.5s in those 0.5s you used to stun them

[ornate juniper]

Wow, 91 followers
Don't care since he's talking nonsense bout c4 being useful

[vale obsidian]

time to throw stun in the trash ig

[hardy dust]

Stun is still super useful

[brazen mango]

^^^^^

[brazen mango]

its still a top 5 light gadget

[celest silo]

I don’t stream unless forced by mr breakout

[brazen mango]

the only reason to swap off of stun is frags against HMM and Thermal against HML

[celest silo]

C4 is a top 5 ability in the game

[celest silo]

Nope it’s a perma keep, stunning heavy can insta win fights and stunning steal wins a dummy amount of points

[vale obsidian]

it utility is next to useless other then stopping cash anyways so why?

[brazen mango]

thats just wrong

[celest silo]

Getting heavy insta killed is always worth a spot

[ornate juniper]

I don't even know who is mr breakout too
Why do u believe the amount of fame or followers u have anyhow adds up to your opinion?

[celest silo]

It’s the best light ability besides glitch

[brazen mango]

stun has absurd amounts of team utility lol, it shuts down heals, gets you picks, and basically instakills the heavy

[celest silo]

I have 0 fame, because fuck that, I believe in my option because I can stomp literally every heavy in a 1v1 besides swakovious

[brazen mango]

even against very good teams a good cloak light can literally win fights off of a single stun

[ornate juniper]

Which Specialization and weapon do you use?

[celest silo]

He goes 60-40 against me still cause he is simply him

[brazen mango]

(Considering ive literally shit on both Etelco and the NTHX guys by just lurking for a pick on the med)

[celest silo]

Sa, rpg, bub, c4, mesh, never has swapped and prob never will

[vale obsidian]

bro do scrim?

[celest silo]

??

[brazen mango]

Weapon maybe at some point but I also doubt it tbh, current meta heavy kit is just nearly flawless

[celest silo]

Never rarely but like once before breakout ye

[vale obsidian]

(talking to tacel malding)

[celest silo]

Idk why but season one my dumbass ran Lewis, even though sa was a nukular bomb

[brazen mango]

OB SA12 was goofy

[celest silo]

My b king

[brazen mango]

91 damage a shot with tighter spread and higher rpm 💀

[celest silo]

Shit was goofy

[vale obsidian]

miss old lewis recoil

[hardy dust]

• super mesh, super rpg and super dome

Oh and nukes with c4

[brazen mango]

ive scrimmed against etelco, robinzki and Noax but besides fighting them pretty consistently and winning some teamfights we got shit on, 0/7 games won for the most part because we never played against comp teams

just a different level at that point that you dont really get to by just playing the game

[brazen mango]

altough granted Old Lewis was also crazy

Lewis still has nearly no dropoff and S1 Lewis had no recoil on top

37 damage a headshot across the map 💀

[celest silo]

Shit was crazy but I wish I played more of sa

[hardy dust]

100m dropoff or smth

Or 120m

[brazen mango]

no its dropoff starts at 40ish, the issue is that it has the damage dropoff of a light weapon so it keeps 2/3 of its damage at all ranges

[hardy dust]

Yeah but it ended at something like that, so you wouldn't lose 1/3rd until the very far range

[brazen mango]

old SA12 was criminal

[hardy dust]

Old sa12 with that reload exploit

[vale obsidian]

is it the shoot 4 quick swap to gatgid to weapon and shoot another 4 exploit?

[hardy dust]

Shoot 3 iirc

Basically made it almost full auto

[crisp heart]

for the sword, I wish that if you didn't completely charge your lunge, it would still continue the lunge animation but without the dash.

jumping whenever you don't want to dash with the lunge is just weird to me

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/ponke-ponkesol-solana-sol-monke-gif-16525926581472286870

[exotic skiff]

c4 is more than broken

[jade violet]

does someone know how to use teleporter well?its looks like a hard request team working item

pity that my mostly strange teammate are brain damage

0 IQ,idk what are they doing

[eager wasp]

use it for yourself, can't be sure that your team will use it or not and a lot don't, put it above a cashout station and wait for someone to try to steal and throw grenades into it/drop down

you can still hint to your teammates that hey maybe you should use this portal by opening it right infront of their faces but usually they don't use it anyways

also use it for cashbox transportation to get to cashout stations faster

also can use it to get revives, throw a portal at ur feet, run, throw one where an enemy infested zone is, grab the revive statue and teleport out and run frrrr

[jade violet]

🤔

[fleet brook]

If you want a pub use you could basically wrath Portal trick enemies by getting them to follow you through a Portal immediately to your team and a turret/traps if you're trying to be funny

[vale obsidian]

another fun use is to place one before engaging a fight, round the cronner and thorw one behind an emeny, toface check their sensitivity if he can 180 faster then you can

funnily enough i win planty of 1v2 and sometime 1v3 with it lmao

guess people not pratice 180ing too often

[west blade]

hallo everyone👋

[obsidian nexus]

sledge is so braindead

[vale obsidian]

:)

[sand monolith]

C4 is great what

[sand monolith]

Winch is braindead. Sledge is fine

[shell sonnet]

I like c4, its usage and combos

It just falls off pretty harshly next to rpg

I dont want 2 of my slots to be occupied, but i cant not take rpg
So c4 is kind of collecting dust

[fleet brook]

The average encounter in this game (in my experience) starts at like 15M

Winch only starts at 12

[sand monolith]

If you get hit by winch once and the player is competent you are likely just dead. The range could be 5m and it would still be braindead

The range isn’t really what makes it broken

[fleet brook]

If winch's range was 5M it'd be worthless

Winch's range purely dictates the utility because it can be used to grab like 18 other things than players

Lowering the range lowers it's utility in every situation even if it no longer one shot

[fleet brook]

Also if you get hit by stun gun you're dead

[sand monolith]

Winch stuns, stops steals, basically instakills, bypasses shields, is usable while glitched, and moves players. It would be fine from 5m

[fleet brook]

Any good light player

If you're not on Heavy you're dead

[sand monolith]

What lmao

[fleet brook]

Are you gonna argue that stun gun isn't a free light kill or nearly a guaranteed kill unless you're on heavy

Because at least on console it's heavily restricting to aim

PC can flick through it I hear but on console it just destroys your aim

[sand monolith]

Stun gun is pretty bad for 1v1s on PC especially against heavy

[fleet brook]

I thought PC could brute force through it I know on console you're cooked

Also without the aim penalty if you can't beam a extremely slow target in the head with a smg with a scope then that's a you problem

[fleet brook]

Comparing stun and winch as free kill buttons

[sand monolith]

Stun is just a waste of time in 1v1s

You are better off just shooting the person

[fleet brook]

Stun locks people out of gadgets

[sand monolith]

No it doesn’t

It locks people out of using their specialization only

[fleet brook]

Not gadgets specializations*

[fleet brook]

Quick typing using auto bar sorry

But it locks down heavy from charging you

[sand monolith]

Yeah it’s really a waste of time in a 1v1 of equal skill. Heavies can still rpg you, mediums don’t have any fast offensive gadgets anyways, and lights will kill you so quick that you would rather just pour damage into them

[tight yarrow]

What if the heavy had a gadget that was just tossing a giant boulder with the same properties of a wrecking ball

[vale obsidian]

would be fun xD
but having 1 to 1 propertie of wrecking ball might be a lil much

[tight yarrow]

True

But you understood what I meant

[vale obsidian]

would be better if i can throw light enemy or teammate

[tight yarrow]

Lol yeah

If its a enemy it deals damage depending on the amount of walls they go through

And for teamates it has a higher range

[boreal laurel]

It is for SMGs and melee weapons, but the DB shotty really benefits from stunning before shooting

[sand monolith]

depends on the range but sure

some weapons are definitely better with stun than others

[eager wasp]

i feel like the db would benefit from it, makes it so you can get in their face without them running

[hallow leaf]

They need to give med a new gadget next season called the frost grenade that is an impact grenade that slows people

[hardy dust]

Imo it really depends on db, since that first shot is especially important

[boreal laurel]

Also makes aiming much easier (and trust me, a miss on the 1900 is usually a death sentence, so aiming is very important)

[cunning kettle]

I normally don’t use stun on db because the time it takes to stun could’ve been used to get the first shot off

imo for weapons that do a ton of damage in one hit, wasting a hit for a stun just isn’t worth it

[summer fable]

all of you are wrong

[hardy dust]

hello top tweaker 27

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-embed-fail-nikocado-nikocado-fail-gif-21206120

[sick dirge]

Heal tether, like glitch trap, heals you, whatchu think

[cunning kettle]

💀we dont need whole team healing

[tidal anvil]

can confirm, got bullied by a duck

[shell sonnet]

Slows suck

Id rather just have it give people ice physics

Let them slide around with mach 5
(And maybe let it apply to objectd too, so we can push cashouts)

[cunning kettle]

winch + ice effects 😭

that shits going across the map

[dreamy hare]

no patch notes today, so sad

[shell sonnet]

Thats the fun of it

[kind nimbus]

[tight yarrow]

That sounds so fun honestly, imagine all the new tech thatd come out with a effect like that

[vale obsidian]

ice-ing yourself before bhop would be a banger

[vital forge]

Charge & slam 4 life

[vale obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1055399770803421208/1279384890097270887/mind-blowing-cat-mind-blown.gif

[tight yarrow]

I dont care how sick af that was, I am sticking with goo gun

[shell sonnet]

does anyone else feel like cl-40 is a splash weapon that just fails at its job?

like, in close range its beaten by model
but even at the range where model gets damage drop off and stops 2-shotting mediums, its still easier to kill mediums because its hitscan

heck, jumping reduces damage taken by almost half against cl-40 (if it doesnt just make it miss outright by going diagonally)

a kinda left vs right comparison would be helpful

[tight yarrow]

I personally use it as a artillery cannon

Jump pads bounce them

[shell sonnet]

and hows that working out for you?

[tight yarrow]

Alright since I stick with my team and have a turret to back me up in close range since I always stick them on something I can carry

[wet night]

no only because the Cl-40 has utility other weapons don't. It does take a lot of shots but it can destory walls and cielings unlike other weapons. Additionally it can clear a whole room of mines and traps with one or two well placed shots. It is also very relyable at killing lights even at close range.

[vale obsidian]

cl40 is my "sup-main" weapon so to speak

and i use it as a hybrid utility/damage weapon, using to clear mines and soften enemy for my team to clean up (esp when i spash 3 people at once)

[shell sonnet]

it does have decent utility but in my experience that doesnt come up often enough (and is even less often impactful enough) to make it "worth it"

it does kill lights in 2 shots, but only if you hit directs or pretty much right at the feet (which can be countered by jumping)
if youre doing that, youre just better off running model, since it 2-shots lights with quit a bit of overkill, while being hitscan (and can 2-shot mediums too), while having enough ammo to actually go head to head against heavies

(and while not being able to self damage)

[vale obsidian]

bro trying it again
https://tenor.com/view/ponke-ponkesol-solana-sol-monke-gif-16525926581472286870

[tight yarrow]

What if the heavy for season 4 was given a literal hand cannon, itd have high damage and destruction but one shot in the chamber with a moderate reload speed

[shell sonnet]

Being 1-shot sucks

Please no

[tight yarrow]

Sledge hammer exists already and snipers

And dagger

[shell sonnet]

Melee?
On the slowest class in the game?
With a delayed attack?
If a sledge heavy catches you, thats your fault as light

(Unless its winch, but that thing needs a rework anyways)

[hardy dust]

Sledge/dagger need to be point blank and sniper isn't great up close and really hard to hit consistently

[tight yarrow]

A cannon would essentially be the double barrel light has but with enviromental damage and one less shot

[shell sonnet]

So you need to reload to kill anything but a light

And if you miss at all youre probably dead?

[tight yarrow]

Meant to be a utility weapon

[hardy dust]

Might as well use ks for that

[tight yarrow]

Ks takes half the mag to destroy a wall or more depending on thickness of it

[shell sonnet]

Not sure who ive told this before

But just give goo gun a secondary fire that launches a destructive goo ball (with no damage)

Same effect, less work and it doesnt mess with balance too hard
(Especially since it doesnt replace a primary)

[tight yarrow]

That sounds fun

[vale obsidian]

goo that distroy wall?

make it do 1 damage to player and i second it 🤝

[tight yarrow]

More than likely a shaped c4 type thing that takes 5 ammo or something like that

[vale obsidian]

i was imagining basically goo gun but it slowly ship away walls

[lofty sonnet]

can a breach charge fly away with a goo wall

-r

[kindred bison]

Data ReSharper: Rework this ability so that it makes the traps set by the enemy become mine and affects the rest of the enemies with 50% less damage

[vital forge]

That would go against the regular heavy nerfs....we're nerfing heavy not buffing. Now let's hear a nerf idea! Take all guns from heavy & nerf rpg, it did 35 damage from 3 ft away!

[remote swan]

reminds me of what i suggested a while ago
#💣┇weapons-gadgets message

[last solar]

This should be a heavy sniper with explosive ammunition, or armor piercing bullet that can penetrate one wall. This is my suggestion

[cyan quiver]

Implement healing grenades for lights and healing aoe for heavy

[vale obsidian]

heal nade feel like it fit med more, also light can get a stim

[dim onyx]

the day lights get a stim is the day that my suspicions of lights being meant for apex cod lobotomies is confirmed and i uninstall the game forever

[cosmic heart]

M60 or Lewis?

[vale obsidian]

lewis, the recoil is horrible at first but nothing once you learn it

[dim onyx]

day 90000 of begging embark to rework the spear and make it throwable and not whatever the fuck that 360 dumb ass spin move is

[vernal burrow]

The move is a bit useless right now unless you use it to fling random objects

[dim onyx]

its insanely inconsistent on top of yeah your throwing if you use it.

[jade violet]

guys do u think famas should be nerf

[vale obsidian]

famas is perfectly fine wym?

[jade violet]

recoil not too low?

although burst fire rifle request a low recoil to easily control

[plucky spade]

What

[vale obsidian]

well embark vision for burst fire gun is a head shot gun so low recoil make sense?

[jade violet]

and nerf Lewis again🤣

[vale obsidian]

NERF LEWIS RECOIL!!!!!!

xD

[jade violet]

hmm

but nerf glitch trap might be necessary

[jade violet]

why not buff R.357

add deadeye in this game,like RD2 Author Morgen

[vale obsidian]

make it an event where everyone get dead eye

(everyone traded each other lmao)

[jade violet]

fool's day event?sounds good

[slate kayak]

type

[vale obsidian]

what if glitch nade stop rez 🤔
not talking about the med with the defib btw, rather the statue being load in

[boreal laurel]

Med should honestly be the one to get a stim if anyone (IMO)

[shell sonnet]

Only a solution for light

And it makes you use a slot on something you may not like

[vale obsidian]

what if its an all class item like frag

[shell sonnet]

What exactly are we talking about when we say stim?

[boreal laurel]

I would say temporary speed boost and a bit of healing

[vale obsidian]

prob something that give you speed

[shell sonnet]

Speed boost would be problematic with melee

Theyre lethal in close range, but you can at least somewhat rely on outrunning them
With stim that balance gets skewed

And im generally not a fan of self healing
(And the healing we already have is already kind of an issue imo)

[boreal laurel]

I mean that might work but I think the worry is that it would make light OP without doing so much for the other two classes

[vale obsidian]

i don't have much to add other then "mobility fun"

[shell sonnet]

And i could already see the comments coming

"Dont wanna be killed by melee? Just run stim yourself"

I dont want to waste another slot on an item i dont like just to get to play the game in any decent capacity

@topaz sphinx a 3 second equip delay only prevents panic pull outs

Nothing is stopping them from just having it out at all times and just starting fights off with it

[timber idol]

embark please give the riot shield a medieval sword and shield skin

[shell sonnet]

On defib

I think an instant revive would be fine, if the charge up was longer

Give the enemy some time to shoot the medium before it goes off
And make it long enough that decent players have enough time to kill them before it goes off

[copper axle]

Adding a neon like spec to med (super fast ads strafe speed would be cool)

[copper axle]

Defib is fine as it is (it should res lights faster and res heavy’s slower tho)

[shell sonnet]

I dont think it is

And the proposed change would barely effect it imo

[copper axle]

It’d have to be a 3+ second charge up time
And when shooting that person it forces them to put it away it is fine as it is your throwing if your not running it rn
Imo it needs to Res lights faster and heavy’s slower and that’d fix the MHH meta a little bit more

[topaz sphinx]

Honestly? Would be completely fine by me. The issue is when you're actually fighting with the primary weapons and the heavy insta-wins with a 149dmg rocket, its kinda braindead. ANOTHER IDEA would be to make the RPG only explode after it travels a certain distance, minimum of 5m

[copper axle]

Make rpg into a destructive tool
2 charges 60-70 dmg etc (ppl have been saying this for ages)
Just remove the sheer amount of burst dmg it brings to heavy

[topaz sphinx]

Instant revive with no invulnerability should be back on the menu. Ive always thought the new defib was kinda pointless. Should be risky and rewarding

[celest silo]

It literally is lmao

[copper axle]

Defib is good as it is atm (should res light faster and res heavy slower)

[topaz sphinx]

I carry my teammates to cover anyways. The charge-up was added to be annoying

[shell sonnet]

Did i understand that correctly, you want to iterrupting the charge when the medium is shot?

[copper axle]

If they were to change it so the person defibed is instantly resed then yes
But like I said defib is fine as it is it’s already a very good gadget

[shell sonnet]

If the heavy starts of with 140 damage advantage and shoots you once

Or shoots you once and the kills you with a 140 damage rocket is no different

[topaz sphinx]

tbh i wouldn't touch the defib loading. Takes enough inputs that make it sucky to do quick when popping out of cover for a second

[topaz sphinx]

That's where the minimum distance to explode comes in

[shell sonnet]

Imo defib is a straight numbers advantage most of the time

There is little you can do to prevent/punish its usage (unless they run across a whole room)

And it forces you into unwinable 2v1's just to keep kills you already got

Hence why 99% of mediums run it

It is absolutely an issue and not fine as is

[copper axle]

Removing charge up (hologram timer) would just make it worse??? Ppl already grab body’s to defib and fib round corners etc it literally makes no sence to make it instant it makes it even more of a must pick than it is your just asking for a buff

[shell sonnet]

Im not quit sure if were on the same page

Maybe were talking past eachother?

Yeah, somethings off

I dont want to buff it, a nerf is needed

[copper axle]

You want defib to instantly revive people
And increase the charge up time on defib

[copper axle]

I agree defib in its current state is too strong in MHH/MMH

[copper axle]

But a good way to do that would be remove invulnerability and increase the time it takes to defib heavy’s and decrease the time it takes to defib light

[shell sonnet]

I dont mean recharge or something

The animation of rubbing the defib together should be longer
(So that its risky to do it out in the open)
But if you survive the charge up, the person comes back instantly

[copper axle]

Doing that wouldn’t change anything due to most defibs happing when playing round corners/grabbing the body and defining behind mesh

U can just charge round the corner/ behind mesh and slide into the body and insta heal whilst he jumps back (buffing it) of grab body and defib round corner It would be a indirect buff

[shell sonnet]

I literally only see mediums do it out in the open

I think i saw 1 medium go though a vent on syss for a defib res, which is exactly what id want to see

[copper axle]

Are you lower elo? What sort of modes do u play?

[copper axle]

I’m not sure what ur seeing but most fights where a heavy/meduim gets picked exactly what I explained would happen

[shell sonnet]

If i told you, youd probably say my opinion doesnt matter
Because there is no other reason i could think of why you might ask

Lets just try to find a solution that fits everyone

[copper axle]

I’m asking due to being high elo and I’ve personally never seen meds defib in the open druing a team fight

[shell sonnet]

Thats true, that is a problem

This extended charge up idea is just a fix idea
Not my favorit

Id rather be able to shoot the holograms tbh

[copper axle]

Basically your suggestion would nerf defib in more casual lobby’s from what you have explained
But higher elo defibs happen behind mesh corners etc and would buff it high elo/in Coronated teams

[shell sonnet]

Btw, this isnt supposed to sound hateful or anything

I just really cant stand how some people disregard others opinions because theyre "bad"

[shell sonnet]

What about the shooting holograms thing?

[copper axle]

Some people do I’m just asking because my experience is completely different than yours

And I’m trying to see it from your point of view

[shell sonnet]

Wish more people did that

[copper axle]

I agree it would be a good change and make players more defensive of the person being defibed
The main thing I’d personally like to see is for heavy to take significantly more time druing the hologram animation (like 7-8 seconds) med should take 5 ish and light 3 it would indirectly buff light and nerf heavy ( it would also force MHH to protect their heavy mutch mutch longer and allow more time to push)
Edit: And it would fix the defibing in the open in casual since you would have time to kill the guy who defibed

[shell sonnet]

I dont think that would change much though

It just dictates how long they stick around a defib

It wastes a few seconds, but doesnt change its actual strenght

[copper axle]

It would fix defibing out in the open in casual lobby’s due to having 5+ seconds to kill the guy who just defibed

[shell sonnet]

You have time to kill the guy that defibbed

(And you would also have time to reload, unlike now)

But youre still on low hp
And have a good chance of dying

Still bot good imo

[copper axle]

/if they are playing in a team You would be able to push that team back and pick off the guy who just got defibd

[copper axle]

Ofc the incivility would be removed

[shell sonnet]

Only slightly more time
Maybe a little helpful in sync'ing a nade

But overall still a loosing fight

Just to keep the reward for effort you already had

Not really a fan tbh

[copper axle]

Ethier that or it should stay how it is

[shell sonnet]

Any improvement is better than no improvement

[copper axle]

What you suggested would inderectly buff it high elo/when people learn how to pick body’s up

Especially if it’s MM double healbeam

[shell sonnet]

What about shooting the hologram?

You only mentioned defensive play but not if/why its a bad idea

[copper axle]

It’s not a bad idea and would nerf defib if you did it out in the open but high elo it wouldn’t change

[shell sonnet]

I dont consider it a straight improvement now

If it did, it wouldnt have upsides, which it would
What you just explained to me

But the hologram for example could be an improvement

[copper axle]

Imo being able to shoot the hologram (maybe give the hologram like 70% hp) and the different res times like I said would be perfect it would allow teams to push other teams back and then punish that by killing the hologram

And it would remove you being on low health from a possible 1v1 and dying to the guy who just got defibed

[shell sonnet]

Oh, so that was included with your idea?

Lights hologram has like 100 hp but only needs to charge for 3 seconds
If destroyed, the defib is interrupted

[copper axle]

Yeah exactly

[shell sonnet]

I didnt really catch that part

I thought you wanted just revive times to be different

Not the shooting part

[copper axle]

I did but thinking about it being able to shoot the hologram would punish bad teamplay even more etc and imo it would be a good change and still make it useable

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, i could see that working

[copper axle]

I do think the hologram should have a little more Hp and spawn with more if the defib goes through so your not hard counted by a couple lucky shots/random rpg and actually have to push that team back etc

Like 70% hp
105 for light
175 for med
245 for heavy

[shell sonnet]

If i actually get to counterplay a defib, then its on me if i dont manage to do so

More hp on a finished defib would be fine

[copper axle]

I agree it would make fights when difib is involved more dynamic too

[ornate juniper]

FUCKIN NERF STUN GUN PLAYING AGAINST 3 LIGHTS WITH STUN WITH MELEE IS A JOKE

[copper axle]

L

Place a barricade

[shell sonnet]

I hate how stun gun just hard counters melee

(And sometimes if im a light against sh1900)
But otherwise its fine iml

[copper axle]

I agree but there are many counters to stun that can easily deney the kill

[shell sonnet]

They can sidestep that in a heartbeat and flank you

(If it doesnt just bug out)

Not helpful

+you use a slot on items you dont really want to use

[celest silo]

Play with your team bot

[copper axle]

Barricade is a amazing gadget rn

[celest silo]

Triple light is a free team wipe every fight

[copper axle]

But I agree it needs a buff to buggy placement

[shell sonnet]

It is

But not helpful against stun
Or at least not helpful enough

(Unless you happen to stand right next to like a doorway or something)

[copper axle]

Rpg,dome,barricade getting healed,not playing 300012699111 meters away from your team

[copper axle]

I need to send u some clips or something then I’ve gotten crazy results with barricade when being stunned
Insta place then insta throw dome and ur team has time to get to u if your far away etc

[shell sonnet]

Rpg doesnt 1-shot (unless theyre damaged)

Dome is the only decent option imo

And healing/teamplay is a 2v1

Teamwork should always win
It shouldnt be a requirement to kill 1 guy

[copper axle]

Well if it’s a direct 1v1 has a mele heavy vs xp54 light it’s a 60/40 depending on skill imo

[shell sonnet]

And what about something like light that doesnt have dome/barricade

Goo nade takes too long

[jolly dagger]

What r u guys thought on the v9s

[ornate juniper]

Suck my balls biowaste
We got to custom game and u show me how 2 survive as melee heavy without winch (which is also broken) and baricades

[shell sonnet]

Thats the pistol on light, right?

[jolly dagger]

The semi auto one

[copper axle]

As a sword main
I don’t wanna talk ab it man mainly just teamplay screaming for my heavy etc

[shell sonnet]

Pretty good
Barely use it
The few times i did i cleaned house

Couldve been luck though

[copper axle]

It’s good and definitely usable compared to 93r

[jolly dagger]

I use the v9s with cloak and it’s peak rat gameplay it’s really good

[jolly dagger]

Yeah the 93r sucks ass

[shell sonnet]

I have a great clip of me getting stunned on a staircase in monaco

The light running off

Me slowly crawling out the window because of gas

Just to die out on the street during the last quater second of the stun by a 3rd oarzy

It was comically painful

[jolly dagger]

That’s a sad story

[celest silo]

Your on Meele heavy, I’m not going to try to explain why a gimmick build is shit

[shell sonnet]

Ive been getting plenty of good clips lately

Good thing i figured out shadow play, now i dont need to record whole matches anymore

[celest silo]

You still have the fire power to at least take 1 and help your team cleanup by tanking dmg so really you have no excuse even with the special ed play style

[jolly dagger]

Do u have a yt ?

[shell sonnet]

A gimmik build doesnt need to be shit
And ideally it shouldnt be

We dont need free kills

And forcing people to waste slots of already limiting playstyles just to not insta die is even worse

[shell sonnet]

I do, with 1 clip

Stun gun bugged out and i didnt get to stop a steal

Should probably post more

[jolly dagger]

Is it the same name as ur dc

[shell sonnet]

Ye

On another note, i actually had a dream about the finals today

I hit a light with 2 cl-40 shots right at the feet

They had 5 hp remaining and ran
I followed them and kept shooting, but all my nades only dealt 1 damage

Cl-40 is so painful, it follows me into my dreams

[jolly dagger]

What class do u main?

[celest silo]

Hammer still works prob fine since the average skill of players is negitive

[shell sonnet]

I dont have a main

I can say that i play light the least because its the last i got the 150 win achievment for

But generally i have stuff i love and hate about all classes

[jolly dagger]

Which one do you play the most

[shell sonnet]

I might actually be tied on M and H with L close behind, but i have no idea

But lately i have been catching up with light

Except for a bit of cl-40 and the obligatory winch+flame in an "oops, all lights!" lobby

[shell sonnet]

Not quit sure what you mean

[jolly dagger]

Damn I definitely play light more then medium and heavy by a mile but I like to play medium every ounce in a while but I personally hate heavy and think it takes no skill

[ornate juniper]

got ya, got humilated by melee heavy now ur crying

[celest silo]

Huh no

[shell sonnet]

Depending on loadout i agree

Winch is stupid
Rpg just wins fights on its own
And charge n slam makes melee fights trivial

I wish those were changed

But i can assure you, there are some actual good heavy strats out there

Too bad they all insta die if they dont fight fire with fire (aka rpg spam)

[celest silo]

I’ve not fought that weapon since prob s1

Been like teir 30 in the bp last 2 seasons, no point playing the game when customs exist

[ornate juniper]

I dont even wanna hear ur biowaste excuses about why u refuse to test it out urself how it feels being stunned as melee heavy without barricades

[jolly dagger]

Ik they have good Strat but I just think being a good light or even medium player is way harder then heavy

[celest silo]

Baracade is a horrid item, and if you play as a team the light gets nuked the moment they peak to shoot after stun

[ornate juniper]

This game is doomed if devs continue to balance game as they do now

[celest silo]

Only reason stun is strong is it allows the heavy medium core to pad and ape the stunned heavy

[ornate juniper]

Keeping distanse is something impossible i guess?

[celest silo]

If you are dying to the actual light you are playing solo and just insta dying

[celest silo]

No clue how that ties into my point, playing inside can counter main ape but not range

[shell sonnet]

Y'know, now that i think about it
Mabye i could fire it up every now and again

Wanna give me a challenge and i try to make a video on it?

[jolly dagger]

U could try the randomized challenge like ottr did that was entertaining

[shell sonnet]

Randomizer is one of those things that work better if you have a face in your video

And get to show off how you like rolled for it

[eager wasp]

totally should try and do Winch, MGL, motion sensor, flashbang, and pyro mine fr yw

[jolly dagger]

U could also make a video abt winning with the worst weapon of every class

Light : 93r
Medium: riot Sheild
Heavy: idk

[shell sonnet]

Can do

[jolly dagger]

Good idea

[boreal laurel]

Right now heavy’s worst is M60 🤡

[jolly dagger]

What about the mgl

[boreal laurel]

It’s pretty bad too

[copper axle]

Spear is objectively the worst on heavy rn

[jolly dagger]

Agreed

[shell sonnet]

Mgl with pyro mine is actually my go to

Destruction with winch to move the cashout is strong too (though i usually use sledge)

Motion sensor is good if used right

Only waste would be flash

[jolly dagger]

Yeah flash sucks

[shell sonnet]

If i get monaco i could show it off

[boreal laurel]

Also I would say CL-40 is actually worse than riot shield RN (yes I know it hard-counters shield, but then so does everything else)

[shell sonnet]

I do actually have an idea

Blow up a wall and winch the cashout into an alley

Use motions to protect your flanks

And use flash and mines to defend the cashout

[boreal laurel]

Motions are goated—like a better sonar

[shell sonnet]

I throw them through a window and hit peoples feet with sledge from 1 floor down

Its really funny to 1-shot lights

[fleet brook]

Heavies nade launcher is the worst weapon

Actually I forgot about ks-23

[fleet brook]

In my experience mesh sheild puts both parties into a weird stalemate

[shell sonnet]

Has its moments
Worse for combat, but it makes up for it

[fleet brook]

I used to main it

It's bad in every situation even destruction

[shell sonnet]

Its bad at it, but its able to

If you need a lot of destruction and dont want to limit yourself to sledge and cant be bothered to actually aim with mgl, its your gun

Imo every weapon has its spot

It just depends on playstyle and how creative you want to get

Except for spear
It can do combat, just its pretty much just a worse sledge without destruction

The aoe is bugged and it might just kill you with its multiple second "stun"

[fleet brook]

I feel like I need to try harder with mgl then other weapons

[shell sonnet]

Glad its getting some work for season 4

[fleet brook]

It's not as good as meds grenade launcher

[shell sonnet]

Oh you absolutely do

But its incredibly rewarding if you can do more than "point and shoot" like so many people are used to

Better for me, it means one of my mains wont be nerfed

[shell sonnet]

Wdym, its way better than mediums nade launcher

[fleet brook]

For me personally I just couldn't force myself to get used to it

[shell sonnet]

Fair enough
Thats why we have so many weapons
Not all weapons appeal to everybody

[fleet brook]

I force myself to use every weapon for 2-3 hours before deciding if I like it or not and mgl was just weird

[shell sonnet]

Yeah

Mgl needs more time than that
Im not sure what level i am right now

But i absolutely needed more time than that

There are some tricks to kickstart though

If youre interested

[boreal laurel]

Nah KS-23 is great—works better for me than even 1887. Maybe that’s just me though

[eager wasp]

Love the MGL chat

[crude leaf]

Highkey would go hard if there was a weapon that has a piercing effect 👀

[cinder glacier]

can goo gernade be used for cash denial?

[dark shadow]

yes

[cunning kettle]

in a way sword has a piercing effect but yea a sort of penetration based weapon(that might even go through walls) would be so cool esp with tracking dart or sonar

[crude leaf]

I said this in the #👂┇game-feedback and was met with "it already exists (Flamethrower...)"

[cunning kettle]

eh id say flamethrower is more of an AOE instead of piercing

[dark shadow]

It's both I guess?

[crude leaf]

Yea. I also had the idea that maybe weapons that fall into the same category (Marksman rifles for example) could all have this piercing effect. I don't think it's healthy to promote guns that shoot through walls in a game like this in my opinion. Just have it to where the bullets can pass through a player or two and deal the same amount of damage. In my opinion, I think this would be perfect for the Sniper rifle

[cunning kettle]

getting a triple collat with sr-84 at close range is gonna be so baller

id say it shouldnt do the same damage tho

[crude leaf]

There you fucking go, I just made the SR viable in Cashout

[cunning kettle]

what if your opponents arent all standing in a line :3

[crude leaf]

Fair point

[crude leaf]

They don't need to be, they're already on top of one another bullet blocking the player who needs to steal

[cunning kettle]

imagine someone gets good enough to line up headshots and then does 690 damage with one bullet

[cunning kettle]

i forgot people actually do this since my teammates never bodyblock in qc 😭

[crude leaf]

That's qc ofc

[cunning kettle]

qc teammates after running away to fight the team that just respawned, while you attempt to steal the 4th cashout:

[crude leaf]

It'd be such a small, yet useful buff to the Sniper rifle that honestly no one should complain about cuz it's not touching the dps of the weapon if you think abt it

[cunning kettle]

i mean increase in damage per bullet = increase in damage per second

but in a 1v1 it doesnt have any change to dps

[crude leaf]

Haven't played qc in a minute lol, I'm stuck on the Em 2 grind, not going for Em 1 cuz don't use Ak and Em 2 has better rewards in general

[cunning kettle]

i main qc cuz i love running stupid loadouts

ive been running 93r and grapple for a few days lmao

[crude leaf]

Yea ofc, I've just been playing so many shooter games that have a piercing effect added to their sniper rifle

Hell even Plants Vs Zombies Garden Warfare 2 has a Cactus varient that does that

[crude leaf]

Yikes.

[cunning kettle]

ive won most of my games :3

[crude leaf]

👏

[cunning kettle]

honestly 93r isnt that bad to use once you get used to the ttk and your opponents arent capable of shooting back

like im actually enjoying using this cuz hitting 3 shots in succession gives big dopamine

[crude leaf]

Say that sentence a little louder and you'll notice the flaws 😂

[cunning kettle]

guys 93r has no flaws!!!!!

but yea in qc its actually pretty fun to use after i used literally every other light weapon (aside from bow, i suck at bow)

[crude leaf]

I've been improving with Bow, I have rarely used the 93R

[cunning kettle]

i really should practice with bow but who tf practices for qc games

[crude leaf]

Lmao

[dark shadow]

qc is the practice

[teal ginkgo]

Im a light who mains dagger and sword, I'm pretty good at the combos wise but the movement and jukes I just can't get a grasp on does anyone have any tips or tutorials on it?

[crisp heart]

There should be an option for the sword to lunge without dashing. I know that jumping cancels the dash but it would still be helpful if we could just lunge without dashing

[teal ginkgo]

That's true I saw a video about someone proposing a feint attack to get the expression cancel movement back

[shell sonnet]

I play a bit of plants vs zombies bfn
I once tried to recreate nightcaps loadoud in the finals

Throwing knives are pretty close to their primary (with some damage, rof and projectile speed changes, while also lacking piercing)
I wonder if a rework to be like it would be possible/healthy

[crisp heart]

A lot of the melee weapons could have a deeper learning curve if they just played with the discovered exploits instead of removing them. Like, The "R"(reload) key is useless for melees, at least make use of them. Make the sword sheath their weapon whenever you press "R" and that cancels the animation to prepare another dash or swing.

The Riot shield and dual swords could also have a gap closing mechanic with the "R" (reload) key

and Heavies needs another nerf

[hardy dust]

Winch needs a nerf

Sledge is fine, spear is supposed to get a rework

[crisp heart]

I played heavy with winch, and the range is hilariously bad now.

[hardy dust]

12m is still very good

[cunning kettle]

imo the range wasnt the issue, it was the stun that was the issue

[hardy dust]

Winch needs to have a rework

Cuz rn it went from 17m free kill to 12m free kill

[cunning kettle]

reducing the range just made it even worse at moving cashouts, while still being pretty oppressive

[crisp heart]

I mean, the reason why the devs keeps nerfing heavies is because Heavies essecially takes the role of damage dealer which makes lights pointless to pick. and tanks getting pick over damage dealers is another Overwatch scenario

The last thing they want to do is to copy overwatch and just limit players to pick HML teams every game

[cunning kettle]

reason why winch should be more focused around cashout moving!

little man cant move big money box, so big man with big hook gets the job

[crisp heart]

there are a lot of uses for the winch claws. some more cheesy than the others

[cunning kettle]

cashout moving is insane for stopping steals and moving the cashout to a better position

[crisp heart]

I just use it because it's fun and they make a funny quote if it hits

[restive plover]

were do we tell the dev to buff magnum im tired of it not working well on lights

[crisp heart]

I played magnum, and it deals good damage to lights whenever I hit my shots

4 body shots and 2 to the head I think?

[restive plover]

it's not enough tho from range i need more dmg the dmg fall off is crazy

2 head for medium and lights 3 for heavy but if there more then 20 meters can't do a lot of dmg it's annoying for TA

[crisp heart]

so, you want them to make revolvers 1 shot lights at a distance

[restive plover]

nah just let me 2 tap like before T0T

[crisp heart]

I feel like they should just make a different weapon all together that is a single-fire, good at longer ranges gun

here's hoping for season 4

[restive plover]

yea i hope so im just tired of magnumm in TA its so oof

[crisp heart]

and then they make it have the similar problem with the Lights DMR, where it is very difficult to hit without ADS

[ornate juniper]

I don't think the problem is in Heavies weapons which are almost all balanced right now
The problem is in things like RPG, Charge N Slam, Winch Claw which allow heavy to deal enormous amounts of damage with zero effort

Heavy should still be able to deal alot of damage but only in certain situations and if he's skilled enough like it was with Sledge in S2

[ornate juniper]

Winch needs to be reworked, moved to M or removed from game

[hallow current]

I wish I had the skill to make concepts

But I don't lol

Does anyone have any renders of weapons/gadgets?

[vale obsidian]

i can make a pixel art of it

[fleet brook]

It can move more than cash outs basically anything that can be moved that isn't building

And I'd like the ability to yoink building chunks around or loose chunks out

[fleet brook]

Winch + grav cube (before it gets shot out)

[north snow]

taser is a valid reason too uninstall this game and leave a bad review

[slow mango]

Do the pixel skin of the LH1 and I love you

[fringe hill]

i was thinking of a china lake skin that is literally just a cannon with a pump

[vale obsidian]

@slow mango @fringe hill im the kind of guy that have no idea to draw most of the time so any idea i can kindly steal is welcome :) but i can't see your vision so send me some screen shot or better draw in microsoft paint and explain to me what is what :)

cheeriose! 🍻

@mystic nimbus that also another thing lmao
maybe doors should have no colition for half a sec after interact 🤔

[teal ginkgo]

Omg yes that would be soo Damm cool we need that and yes I'm trying to learn the phantom strike and weapon swap cancel but it's hard to put into game

[fringe hill]

Uh I dunno

[mystic nimbus]

half a sec is too much

[vale obsidian]

you like the idea tho?

[shell sonnet]

Would it be possible to only turn off player colission?

[vale obsidian]

well they def can make terrain passable (cough cough demat)

making it only one person/team pastable should cost too much headegg ;)

[mystic nimbus]

not really

just don't close the door before u go through yk ;d

[vale obsidian]

good ol git gud lmao

[shell sonnet]

Tbh

One option would be to just make doors (player-) non-solid at all times

And just animate it opening into the direction the player is moving whenever one passes

That would prevent the weird 90° door stuck moments too

Just gotta make sure projectiles and bullets get stopped

[vale obsidian]

i complately forgot that option exsit

[brittle wagon]

Hey what's the chances of bow projectile speed being buffed in the future? I feel like having to draw an arrow and having a slow projectile follow up makes it a bit meh in some instances, might just be me though.

[vale obsidian]

prffffffffffffft

bow projectile is slow?

[brittle wagon]

• draw ye

unless you doing 10 damage quick shots

[vale obsidian]

i can see what you're saying if we talking minium charge

but max charge are pratically hit scan to me

[brittle wagon]

well you can reload some guns and start shooting in the time it takes to full draw and aim and fire 1 arrow

It feels like

[vale obsidian]

it just how game balance Burst damage
see sniper vs ar for example

[brittle wagon]

I mean sure but other more effective burst options are available. Plus I think the sniper is superior to the bow HOWEVER, the bow kinda slaps close range - mid...longer ranger like on kyoto are annoying

get beamed from an ak before you get a shot out lol

[viral crest]

Well. Runing streight at an AK as a light will usually end that way

[brittle wagon]

nah we talking rooftop warfare

[vale obsidian]

it justt good weapon bad weapon thing and a little bit of match up
basically just part of the game

[brittle wagon]

Yeah I'm at peace with it having drawbacks...would like to get shots out sooner at range though cause yeah 1 miss and you basically die imo

[vale obsidian]

i also love faster draw time

[brittle wagon]

Potential damage nerf + projectile charge / speed buff could be interesting.

[viral crest]

Charge time yes. But i don't think projectile speed needs a buff. Its pretty fast i think

[vale obsidian]

i like thatt idea tbh
but what you mean by "Potential damage" tho? headshot?

[viral crest]

I think he means a potential nerf

[brittle wagon]

No just dmg in general. Cause the full charge dmg is nice but at the expense of time and missing potentially it's worth rather using non-fully charged shots instead (less risk) so if the overall damage is decreased but shots are easier to land it could be more of a run and gun somewhat dps option idk

Just make bow hitscan Kappa

[bitter surge]

Imagine we get a new MELEE weapon in S4

https://tenor.com/view/sad-emoji-gif-25749073

[queen condor]

What are the favorite gadget loadouts here. New to the game and want to see what people think about them\

[vale obsidian]

don't listen to anyone, the msot fun part of the game imo is expirimentation

[queen condor]

I am having a ton of fun trying new things for Med and Light. Only curious on what others like to use to learn new ways of playing the game.

[zenith cedar]

grapple is the most fun spec on light and has more tech involved than most people think

using wsad while grappling can really change your trajectory, like S actually angeles you higher so you can shoot right over buildings if you hook right at the top, etc

[cobalt iris]

okay yall my hopes for s4 weapons and gadgets:
light: for the weapon im hoping for a double uzis or smth and gadget maybe a jetpack
medium: for the weapon the beretta as a handgun and gadget a heal spot like soldier 76 or smth
heavy: A MINIGUN WOULD BE FIRE and gadget: nuke :]

[zenith cedar]

i think a mini gun is a must at this point cuz so many people have been begging for it lol

maybe not this season but it will come

[cobalt iris]

i really need a minigun

COSMETIC WISHES FOR S4:
medival skin for sword
EMBARK I NEED A MOLOTOV SKIN FOR THE PYRO GRENADE
more skins for the 93r and double barrel please<3

[zenith cedar]

the teaser is in like 2 min on youtube on the finals channel

[cobalt iris]

lets hope its good

[zenith cedar]

the other seasons said trailer so they probably won’t show everything in this teaser i’m sure we’ll see the map and a weapon or two tho

[cobalt iris]

this has been the most hyped season since season 1

IM EXPECTING SOME STUFF EMBARK

also hoping for a good halloween event

okay didnt get the double uzis but we got double guns i was close

[zenith cedar]

looks like double deagles

[shut bane]

I was not expecting that for heavies, I love it

[zenith cedar]

i was expecting a deagle but not dual

[shut bane]

Same here lol

[sharp dome]

omg

lara croft style

[shut bane]

I’m curious about what these are

[sharp dome]

like a m14 ?

[shut bane]

Looks like it, mediums long range option mayhaps

[vale obsidian]

the left look like lh1

[shut bane]

Ah true, the right is a massive model shift though, I really doubt it’s the lh1

[zenith cedar]

PERFORMANCE OPTIMIZATIONS LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOO

[civic forum]

attachement ssyte,??

how about throwing knives and melee weapon, how r those gonna modify?

[sharp dome]

or maybe the right one is just a lh1 skin

[civic forum]

but in trailer, there're the scope on AK

[amber plinth]

GUYS M26 MASS

[proven fern]

Hmm...

[hallow current]

DUAL DEGALS CONFIRMED

[zenith cedar]

dude we are so back

[shut bane]

Attachments?

[zenith cedar]

there’s new sights you can pick for weapons

[shut bane]

Oh shit

[zenith cedar]

you gotta read the blog post it’s fire we are back

[hallow current]

When/where did we see this?

[zenith cedar]

https://www.reachthefinals.com/patchnotes/s4teaser

[lilac terrace]

AKIMBO GUYS

[lavish gate]

I Know What That Gun Is.

the one that looks like a kid drew it. thats a pump shotgun.

[sonic star]

Yeah the frame is different, and I wouldn’t understand adding 2 skins to the lh1

[naive glacier]

wait is this the beta skin?

[shut bane]

Looks like it

[lavish gate]

update: it's the m26 mass

[sonic star]

M26?

[shut bane]

Source rn 🗿

[lavish gate]

look at the skin page next to the vs9 skin, in the middle is the M26

[shut bane]

I guess it does kind of look like it but to me it just kinda looks like an m4 without it’s barrel

[sonic star]

Im pretty sure the blue skins are this bundle that they leaked like a year ago

[shut bane]

Oh nvm I see it now

[lilac terrace]

engimo colour scheme is solid

wonder what weapons though

[sharp dome]

Waiting for Volpe supremacy

[shut bane]

If the sights or attachments are unlocked through progression of the guns themselves I’ll be happy

[zenith cedar]

this feels like the true season 1 with the sponsors

[bronze cedar]

Looks like medium will have some kind of battle rifle. The front part looks like FAL, but it has classic stock like M1 or smth.

[shut bane]

Sponsor themed map is sick, big mirrors edge vibes

[sharp dome]

yea !

[lilac terrace]

why is ospuze not had its ceo out though

I will def choose ospuze no second thoughts

[sharp dome]

Aperture science vibe

[steel dune]

Is that what it is? I think you’re right. There’s no real good shots

[crisp heart]

why is Ospuze not a gadget in the game?

[magic path]

I see Akimbo Degle and M23 and... what is the last one

[steel dune]

The front sight post actually kinda looks like the Galil Ace maybe?

[crisp heart]

looks like an M14

[last solar]

there this thing, i think its the blurry yellow weapon

[magic path]

yeah I'm assuming galil too but there is no charging handle

[lilac terrace]

light weapon

[sharp dome]

with the scope on its remind me like a M16

[lilac terrace]

everyclass gets new weapon :)

[crisp heart]

I guess we just have to be patient

[magic path]

nah that blurry yellow one is probably m14

[lavish gate]

it looks like a galil, but it might actually be some sort of semi automatic california compliant rifle

[bronze cedar]

Look on the gun above M26 in the picture, i think it might not be galil, it’s mag is too small for automatic rifle.

[magic path]

real

[lavish gate]

embark doesnt shy away from weird weapons

[shut bane]

Galil would be a bit of a boring pick, the modular m26 fits the update

[crisp heart]

what I'm concerned about is whether they're gonna focus more on "darkness" as a game map mechanic and add in nightvision goggles in the game

[covert parcel]

WHERED U GET THAT

[lavish gate]

whats the semi auto rifle in 7.62x39 that bubba likes to destroy

[magic path]

yeah that sums up honestly

[lavish gate]

no charging handle

[magic path]

still wondering yes

[crisp heart]

I like how they use weird weapons. . . Why didn't they do that with the fcar and ak?

[lavish gate]

no charging handle, and the top cover isn't the same

[lilac terrace]

all light users are weird hence they get weird weapons

[fleet brook]

I love low visibility in my fps games where ttk is barely seconds apart for most weapons

[fleet brook]

Tbf they get the most weapons

[sonic star]

I want to die if light gets another spray weapon

[shut bane]

Pretty sure mediums did get some kind of dmr

[lavish gate]

ks23, lewis gun, sa1216, cl40:

"am i a joke to you?"

[fleet brook]

No one talking about the akimbo pistols?

[crisp heart]

Imagine if they add in NODs in the game and flashbangs and flashlights are ways to counter them

[sonic star]

The debate is about that the other weapons are

[magic path]

even thermal bore has original model so makes me wonder which gun is that

[crisp heart]

or the possibility of blinding the enemy with a three man flashlight to the face

[lavish gate]

we know the akimbos are deagles

[rigid magnet]

New gun for M Aug?

[lavish gate]

no! that's a bullpup!

[fleet brook]

The model looks like a med

[steel dune]

I think it’s a Keltec

[covert parcel]

rapier skin for the sword

[fleet brook]

I think it's there way around getting gun licenses

[rigid magnet]

any good picture of it?

[covert parcel]

or else a large ass fee you have to pay

[crisp heart]

the MP5 isn't weird

[lavish gate]

you might be right

NO. YOURE RIGHT

[magic path]

ohh

[sharp dome]

wow soldier confirmed

[lavish gate]

ITS THE KELTEC SU-16

[covert parcel]

thats a breaching shotgun, mag fed vs bullet

[steel dune]

That was really the last rifle I expected them to add.

[magic path]

charging handle on the right

[lavish gate]

top cover looks accurate to the in game model

[magic path]

making us confused with galil

[boreal laurel]

Do you know which model exactly? Light getting a breaching weapon would be awesome

[lavish gate]

yuh. but now we know its a kel tec.

finally. medium dmr

[ruby steppe]

Is this referencing the New seasonal gun?

[lavish gate]

it is the new season's medium weapon

it's a kel tec SU16

[covert parcel]

m26? typically an underbarrel in military yuse cause its breaching, but this is a videogame so its probably a primary gun

probably boasting high demo potential for the finals forumla

[crisp heart]

looks like you're getting your wish

[steel dune]

I’m glad medium is getting a longer ranged option. Finally something to use at range without fighting the fcar recoil or akm tickle damage.

[rigid magnet]

3x magnifier?

[dry verge]

light has m26 mass shotgun

???

[crisp heart]

Light sniper finally has a sniper buddy

[covert parcel]

med?

[dry verge]

is it medium?? its hard to tell in screenshot

[crisp heart]

I hope it's med, I can't deal with another light shotgun

[daring needle]

From that first shot of the 3 it's gotta be light with the shotgun

[crisp heart]

welp. prepare for Invis, stun, shotty build

[boreal laurel]

Nothing we haven’t seen before…

[dry verge]

its light- one shot of heavy in hallway, player camera is holding guard turret so they’re med, and lil dude with the shotgun is shorter than player

[magic path]

looks like HLM

[dry verge]

i was hoping it was a mp40, but the shot in the hallway shows its a shotgun 😭

[crisp heart]

it'd be funny if the light is holding a large sword

[lusty echo]

First thought: M39 or SVDS

[covert parcel]

H - Dual Deagles (pistols)
M - (misc assault rifle)
L - M26 (Breaching Shotgun)

[daring needle]

I could be wrong but wasn't there something mentioned about a potential prop hunt style gadget for light a while back?

[dry verge]

agree with svds

[lavish gate]

it's the kel tec su16

[daring needle]

Would kill to have that this season

[lilac terrace]

Stay tuned for future reveals of the stacked Battle Pass, a new set of circuits to feed your career, new weapons, alternative sights, and new cosmetic features such as additional faces, facial hair, and much more!

[lavish gate]

check the gun to the left of the ak skin, and compare it with the real deal

[lilac terrace]

so more sight options confirmed??

[wispy portal]

Alternative sights is really interesting. Does that mean we can switch them out??

[bronze cedar]

It’s hard to say which ammo will m26 use in game. Cuz it might be not a shotgun pellets, but rather a slug, like KS-23.

[boreal laurel]

Now what I want to know is if we’re getting new gadgets and/or specs this season

[magic path]

H - Akimbo Desert Eagle
M - Kel-Tec SU-16
L - M26 MASS

[crisp heart]

a breaching shotty that can create holes in the wall for flanks and angles. fair

[covert parcel]

so a DMR for medium?

[lilac terrace]

ppl are going to be pissed with the shotgun and it's going to be nerfed underground 💀

[magic path]

apparently, it's semi auto

[covert parcel]

not automatic? bruh

[bronze cedar]

Or, if it would be a shotgun, i think they’ll give it less damage than those we see in game. For light it would be a trade of risk to stability.

[magic path]

btw M26 is bolt action

[covert parcel]

no i mean like for casuals, they need more automatics for casuals, its an FPS at heart

[crisp heart]

it's probably going to have an extremely large spread that you have to be molesting the enemy to deal decent damage

[lusty echo]

Why does the AKM have a scope btw

[covert parcel]

new gun

[magic path]

well I think Medium needs dmr to counter lights

[lusty echo]

No, check 0:12 on the teaser slooowly

[magic path]

well now akm has red dot sight

[covert parcel]

waut wgat?>?

[lilac terrace]

chat is this real??

[rigid magnet]

no

[magic path]

the one from mp5

[lilac terrace]

acog maybe?

[rigid magnet]

acog definetly

[covert parcel]

barrels too long thats AK wtf

[crisp heart]

there's a possibility that thats an FCAR skin

[daring needle]

they're adding swappable sights though right?

[magic path]

the same one as mp5

[remote lagoon]

ya

[boreal laurel]

It’s not the AK because one of the other shots has a stock AK in it

[covert parcel]

could be a skin new gun etc

[magic path]

I'm assuming that scope is customizable since there is no scope on the skin(left) but there is on lobby(right)

[covert parcel]

what the fuck is that lol LH1?

[boreal laurel]

I think it’s a new gun myself

[magic path]

that's akm

[daring needle]

I'd love to put a scope on an m60

[vale obsidian]

soooo only new weapon is duel deagle?

[crisp heart]

we just have to wait and hopefully not be disappointed

[covert parcel]

M26 light + scope rifle med

[magic path]

3 new weapon so far

[cyan bone]

I was expecting to see the M4A1 for medium in the new season. A classic as an alternative weapon to the AKM. As per CS precepts.

[vale obsidian]

they both look like lh1 skin tbh
i want to be hopeful tho 🙏

[covert parcel]

no like one of the frames, light is brandishing a shotgun with a side bolt, m26 fits the description

[vale obsidian]

really? can you show me that very frame?

[covert parcel]

M26 breaching shotgun, light

[steel dune]

Yeah I really wanted a m4 as well. Especially since some promotional images exist with that gun.

[rigid magnet]

any new gadget ideas?

[lusty echo]

You can customize your weapons?! Attachments on the AKM and this new gun? That's enough proof

[crisp heart]

i'd be funny if that M26 is a specialization and not a primary

[vale obsidian]

i would still main it if its more fun then dash

[steel dune]

As if we needed a light with two shotguns

[cyan bone]

https://preview.redd.it/various-screenshots-and-concept-art-for-the-finals-v0-ovdrvcs1jrla1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=9ec2a4236267a4bc86f052f18f92d5b5381b46bc like on this one? (sry still cant just send pics)

[vale obsidian]

light can do with 2 primary 👀

[lavish gate]

okay gun nuts identify the new scope

[steel dune]

Yeah that’s the one

[covert parcel]

the barthomelswy sigma #2

[cyan bone]

unlucky i guess

[lavish gate]

[steel dune]

Just be hopefully! One day

[cyan bone]

[lusty echo]

Bro the M60 has a grip on 0:09

[crisp heart]

light reloads DB
Enemy still not dead
pulls out another shotgun

[vale obsidian]

if its a thing i will finaly do sniper db loadout that i've been eyeing

[safe crane]

what yall think it is? new ak, added sight to ak or custom weapon attachments?

[restive plover]

Keep in mind the eclipse shade skin also has a grip.

[magic path]

summerized it

[crisp heart]

I wish that the light new shotty is a spec now oh god

[rigid magnet]

W

[crisp heart]

enemy still not dead
light pulls out thermite gun and the tracking gun
HOW MANY GUNS DO YOU HAVE!?

[magic path]

L sniper + Thermal + Dart

that would be triple sniper

[cyan bone]

Just imagine 4x3 med with m14 numb 2 (kel-tec) bloodbath

1 gazzilion dmg per sec

[crisp heart]

in all seriousness, light having a spec that can make multiple pathways is probably the most team oriented spec for light

[cyan bone]

and u cant do anything about it

[crisp heart]

Then again, the dematerializer and the sledge is just better

[magic path]

wonder how much 5.56mm can do at the finals

[cyan bone]

if its classifed as dmr in game it should have a lot of dmg and small mag size i guess

[magic path]

I mean quite lot of guns at the finals uses 7mm, even louis is about 7mm

[crisp heart]

it's also for med, so it should also have heavier recoil and lower rate of fire

compared to the LH1 at least

or maybe the opposite

[hallow current]

If we get the ability to modify weapons I wonder how it will effect them...

If they are just adding sights on everything, I think that's fine.

If most/every gun gets a sight I'd be cool with having the option to choose between a scope and a red dot or something like that

[magic path]

or iron sight

[crisp heart]

we copying R6 now

[hallow current]

Yeah, I just wonder what's going to be the trade off

[crisp heart]

1 attachment = 1 gadget slot

[cyan bone]

i dont remember dmg num of weapons'. Do they have the same damage?

[magic path]

nope lol

think about m60 and fcar
they use the same ammo

that 5.56mm dmr has to be stronger than akm and fcar per round to use but that's gonna be ironic

well it's a casual game so it doesn't matter anyway

[cyan bone]

https://preview.redd.it/calculation-of-ttk-and-rpm-for-some-weapons-v0-987w8weqnixb1.png?width=1262&format=png&auto=webp&s=6bfbe9e061bbe8417bd700438ecb4b2cf229dac6
hehe m60 got 21 dmg but lewis and scar got the same 27

[magic path]

oh louis was stronger than I thought

[stiff vine]

imagine they give heavy a tiny blaster the size of half the palm of his hand

[cyan bone]

It frustrates me that as a m60 mainer I can't compete with any AR. About 60 percent of the time 1 vs 1 I lose to an AK enthusiast

[magic path]

cyberpunk

[cyan bone]

even if I hit most of my bullets

[magic path]

yeah probably because rpm issue

[cyan bone]

[stiff vine]

heavy has no good non-melee weapons

[restive plover]

Both the sa12 and lewis are very strong.

[fluid gale]

Ks-23 is fire in my opinion

[stiff vine]

compared to other class's weapons they are weak

[fluid gale]

Especially with charge and slamm

[stiff vine]

and charge and slam is easily countered by dashing from lights

[cyan bone]

Have you ever watched the bullet spread of an m60 if you try to shoot at one spot while controlling the recoil?

[restive plover]

But heavy does suffer from lacking variety more than the other classes. Partially because of embark's decision to balance around their crazy buttons, although that hopefully changes in season 4.

[fluid gale]

You don't need it for lights with a KS 23 or m60

[magic path]

there is one

RPG

[magic path]

yeah it's like goes the opposite of where I aim everytime

[cyan bone]

true true)

[stiff vine]

thats the only arguement i've heard as to why heavy is op. RPG and maybe the healthpool but that doesnt matter much when you die almost as fast as mediums to a light

[cyan bone]

I swear Embark specifically added such a pattern specifically to embody the actual nickname of the machine gun in the game.

THE PIG

I found the Easter egg, did I win a prize?)

[hallow current]

There is only sights as an attachment. From a dev standpoint that seems like it has a few ways it can go

[crystal garnet]

Real talk tho why does smoke has like, a 1 minute cooldown per nade?

[crystal garnet]

Source on this?

[vale obsidian]

fun fact! it have 50 second cd

[crisp heart]

just a funny guess

[vale obsidian]

i rather it have 2 smoke but 20-40s cd

[crystal garnet]

Damn 50 seconds is insane.

[crisp heart]

it would be funnier if it were true though

[vale obsidian]

i read the wiki

[crystal garnet]

yeah do that and make the smoke cloud 2/3x larger

[crisp heart]

I assume you also carry thermal vision

[vale obsidian]

who need night vision when you can just see the dude

in the smoke

[crystal garnet]

I was experimenting with a meme loadout nad while it has potential, the CD on those is so bad. You're better off dying and coining.

Sword + Smoke + flashbang was my meme loadout

[hallow current]

Thermal vision needs buff

[crisp heart]

that loadout + themal vision got featured in this seasons highlights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hYuy7eYc4k
1:02 mark

[lilac terrace]

Thermal vision need to make it so it can see thru walls at very close range

will it be too busted

[crisp heart]

that's what the sonar is for