💣┇weapons-gadgets

[hardy dust]

They had 10s glitch, invis and stungun

Their weapons didn't really kill faster

And grapple was always worse

Nothing compared to stuff like prenerf fcar, defib, nukes, rpg and lewis/sa12

[wet vapor]

Since healing beam is pretty op here’s an idea: Instead of a the healing beam it could be a heal grenade or heal grenade launcher so it takes good aim and skill to actually heal and would heal teammates with area splash

[nocturne lark]

anyone have a ks-23 loadout they recommend? dont have a lot of play time on heavy

[waxen fiber]

use meta loadout
RPG, barricade, Dome shield
the most universal lodut for aggressive attack and strong defense

[vale obsidian]

in balancing we idlely want fun as #1 then balance being #2

im trying to make it less fustrating to be hook, also yeah i forgot to think about the hook user side, it dose need a glitch effect

[fleet brook]

Who decides what's fun?

[burnt canyon]

Only thing that defib needs nerfed is how for some reason someones "reviving statue" can block shots before they get respawned for some reason

[fleet brook]

I'm sure the light who mastered dashing and it's fluidity was having fun

[fleet brook]

SH had its insta/ two pump kill

Combined with grapple I was eating

[vale obsidian]

the player base and it comunicate by the #👂┇game-feedback channal
but seeing emabrk patch note this whole season it seen they didn't read it at all ._.

[fleet brook]

No offense I've played games that did community based balancing and they died

Because the average person doesn't know anything about game balance

Remember Evil Dead The Game

That game taught me maybe don't listen to your community about all your balancing

[vale obsidian]

im not saying the comunity should do all the changes bc franly most susgesstion suck
but the dev can't go balance the game without listening to the comunity either

[burnt canyon]

Then you get situations like throwing knives going unchecked for most of s3

[fleet brook]

I'd say 90% of ideas I see here suck and have major holes and 5% are just destroying a gadgets utility and the last 5% are bland unfun changes

[vale obsidian]

i somewhat agree?

i would fit a 10-20% good susgessstion in there some where

[fleet brook]

Eh I've talked with people here who have said they'd rather have something be completely unviable then have to play against it

[vale obsidian]

knowing how my average teammate think im not even surpires lmao

but i still think theres 10-20% good susgessstion in here

[hardy dust]

Go into feedback and the first balance suggestion I see is rpg should 1shot lights

[cunning kettle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1040430876263186572/1177690154132058192/togif-1-2.gif?ex=65736c6d&is=6560f76d&hm=006f3186e02149f8fd1a3cbf86d51472aec2066aeac37e376275b70eb4b2764b&

[vale obsidian]

lol

[burnt canyon]

Heavy players have been demanding a buff for heavy ever since nukes got nerfed, that's all you need to hear to know most suggestions are wack

[cunning kettle]

Where have you been hearing that

[hardy dust]

Heavy players demanding buffs after heavy goes from overbearingly oppressive to only oppressive

[burnt canyon]

All over reddit and the in-game players?

[cunning kettle]

Oh. Reddit

[burnt canyon]

The fact that the class has so many nerfs since season1 and is still arguably the best class in the game- clearly wasn't broken from the start at all right?

[vale obsidian]

heavy have an extreme balance so i understand where they coming form
heavys a beast at close range but pratically useless at range

[hardy dust]

Heavy can't get proper buffs to the weaker parts of the class without nerfing the free win buttons

[cunning kettle]

270 free damage my beloved

[hardy dust]

But embark is allergic to doing that apparently

[hardy dust]

Rpg into c&s 🤤

[vale obsidian]

50% WIN RATE EM I RIGHT

[burnt canyon]

I had a guy the other day charge and slam me as a medium and my character had his feet on a slight ledge, instant kill on the spot from full hp because the game couldnt push me away lmao

[hardy dust]

Its super noticeable on power shift

You can pretty easily wipe an entire team with it on the platform

[cunning kettle]

Jump pad + rpg + c&s + spear spin is so fun sometimes

[burnt canyon]

It's actually crazy how difference the winrate from model/hb to winch/c4 was grinding to emerald1

[hardy dust]

I've been playing model since I haven't done 150 wins of medium yet

Its so good

But every now and then I get a game where I forget to aim

Then I feel bad for teammates ;-;

[cunning kettle]

Every game I play I forget how to aim 😔

Then I switch to famas and start shredding

[hardy dust]

I usually try healing more when I don't feel as confident with aiming

But goddamn model is good

[vale obsidian]

damn famas xDDD when ever that gun is in my hand i swear something make me miss every singlee shot

[burnt canyon]

Truly a close range meta we live in, but people do sleep on the famas

[cunning kettle]

Honestly it would’ve be so cool if famas got a 1.5 or 2x scope

[vale obsidian]

i love close range meta tho

[cunning kettle]

The hipfire at closer ranges is already insane so i would rather have better ranged performance

[burnt canyon]

I just don't like that the knives don't have a reload mechanic

MfS aim with their screen and hold right click lol just like every other sus gimmick in the game

[cunning kettle]

Nah we hold w + m1 and miss half of our shots

And when its dangerous we spam dash or grapple away

[burnt canyon]

On console bro you don't see bad knives or bad sword users weirdly enough

[hardy dust]

Do you even see sword players?

Today I found a sword player running cloak, but they were actually good at sword

[burnt canyon]

Maybe every 10 games

[hardy dust]

And I was NOT on my model game 😭

I got caught off guard when I realized they ran cloak

[vale obsidian]

sniper player i fight are usually controler

[hardy dust]

But they knew stuff like phantom strikes

Ngl goated player

[burnt canyon]

Good ol phantoms, opening doors since s2 Vegas and killing players with no hands

[heady void]

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1279744795710853150 help me! I feel helpless! The official attitude is really bad

[fleet brook]

Ya know this goes for x players have been demanding a buff for there class since the start of the game

I also think it's stupid to divide a community based off what they play it makes alot of us vs them

[unborn stirrup]

it also goes for people calling for nerfs to things they happen to die to a lot

[fleet brook]

I got enough us v them in my asymms I don't need it in my shooters

[burnt canyon]

I would point to light class not over performing and their representatives calling for buffs, but this is also the same game where fcar and recon senses were a thing alongside nukes and prenerf heavy

[fleet brook]

Mfers be like "light never had an op gadget" wall hacks that had wall hacks

[burnt canyon]

The problem is in a role based team shooter there's always gona be heads who call for action completely based on their character and blind to the implications as a whole

[fleet brook]

Idk I just think it's stupid to categorize everyone who plays a class into one group

It's like me saying all light players need to hop off and take there Adderall

[burnt canyon]

It's all about the fent yk

But hey at least rn we are closer to a balanced meta than the seasons before, progress is progress

How we we feel if recon senses got added back, but instead of players, it highlights enemy gadgets and placements through walls like old sitrep pro

[hardy dust]

It would be too niche

There isn't much util like that in the game right now, and a lot of it isn't worth setting up

Especially not compared to heal or even other medium specs

[teal gale]

Mogged kai xenat

[vale obsidian]

just copy apex hunter looking guy, no need to reinvent the wheel

[fleet brook]

Bloodhound also scans people

[vale obsidian]

@mystic nimbus AMD ryzen 7 5800H with radeon graphic alphabet spagettie noodle soup and a side salad
memorys is 32GB
and this

[mystic nimbus]

weird, the icons started appearing as often after i upgraded my pc so idk about u tbh, try to download the windows all over again and make sure all the drivers are up to date

also send a screen shot of your ingame video settings

+your gpu is rtx 3060, amd radeon is the integrated (weaker) gpu

[vale obsidian]

this laptop burn throw all my saving tho, it got to be good 🥲

[mystic nimbus]

your laptop is fine af dw

make the frame rate unlimited, make it windowed fullscreen

[vale obsidian]

whaaaat
i thought that will kill my frame

[mystic nimbus]

make sure ray tracing is on static and all video settings on low except view distance on high

[mystic nimbus]

making the frame rate unlimited will kill your frames?

[vale obsidian]

that what i heard anyways

they say unlimit the frame will make my pc work more then it need or something i forgor

[mystic nimbus]

if u place it on 60 and an fps drop happend it'll drop to 50 but if it's on let's say 100 and fps dropped to 90 or 80 you won't feel any difference

[vale obsidian]

ok thx for telling me these

[mystic nimbus]

.

[vale obsidian]

i did that already 👍

[mystic nimbus]

good now try and lmk

[vale obsidian]

lmk?

[mystic nimbus]

is your gpu drivers up to date?
also let me know = lmk

[vale obsidian]

how do i even check that...

[mystic nimbus]

https://www.nvidia.com/en-me/software/nvidia-app/

download this app and go to drivers, most Likely it's not up to date

also for other drivers go to windows settings then search for optional updates and update everything there

[vale obsidian]

i download the thing now but still don't know how to check if my drivers up to date

[mystic nimbus]

go to the drivers tab and screenshot

[vale obsidian]

i can't find this drivers tab

is it in the device manager?

[vale obsidian]

this?

[mystic nimbus]

screen shot the app after you press on the drivers tab

[mystic nimbus]

press on download

then express installation

[vale obsidian]

finish

thx for ur time

[mystic nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-peace-sign-peace-ice-age-eddie-gif-16750982996130936929

[ashen hawk]

We must agree:
Heavy specialization-- Nuke. Explodes the 70 percent of the arena. Also eliminates ur teammates.
(lmao)

[ember vapor]

You played a little bit much the helldivers I think
1rd: termids invasion event
2st: nuke (Tsar bomb)

[ashen hawk]

no i didnt
region locked. thats why i wanna it to come to the finals lol

[ember vapor]

Ye, that thing with blocking regions is so funny
Not surprised then about one of the Sony’s last realises online (We all know, but we can’t spell it)

[ashen hawk]

ye lol

[waxen fiber]

i got brilliant idea, the barricade is really good gadget, but with the small amount of customization, only skin....
What if we could put GRAFITI on them? Not just paint them on in round, but select in the customization menu, so whenever we place them, we can show it to the enemy without time wasting, it can have some really cool combinations :3 the example i will drop in drip check cauze i cant attach screenshots here

[hazy spoke]

give the evasive dash 50 damage on impact

least thin you should do after that unneccessary nerf

[fair raptor]

whats the point of thermal bore if c4 exists?

[ember vapor]

Cooldown

[covert parcel]

bore: long range + fire/ignite effect
breach/c4: dual detonation + prep/setplay + no LoS needed

[restive plover]

Range.

[versed siren]

that shit would make the sword busted

[covert parcel]

Light effectiveness depends on their enemies skill level
Medium effectiveness depends on their teammates skill level
Heavy effectiveness depends on the own players skill level

maybe this is why light is dominant in low elo and heavy is dominant in high elo

anyone else feel like this^

[jade violet]

guys please allow me share my equipments style

and I trapped lot of noobs with my explosive trap

hahahahah

[gaunt quest]

I like the hit and run nature of the silenced pistol and 93R

[jade violet]

guys do u think light build need second sniper rifle

SR84 feels good but this game only 1 SR84 SniperRifle

I think light build need Barrett

[red dawn]

They already have the bow

[jade violet]

but its a bow

[hazy spoke]

bro heavy literally depends on no sk9ill st all hhah i mean one shot lights sdame with mines

[jade violet]

not crossbow

nah buddy,medium effectiveness depends on their enemies IQ

I mean mines😂

Usually no one pays attention to what's under their feet

https://tenor.com/view/rainbow-six-siege-r6s-rainbow-six-siege-r6-gif-24110572

EDD planted let 'em come!

[meager fjord]

What about dual revolvers for heavy one shoots shot the other slugs

[sly lodge]

Heavy needs a gun with a digital scope (or wathever it is called😔)

[rare echo]

Does anyone know the exact range of the heavy motion sensor?

Also is it any good?

[boreal laurel]

It is very good (if you think sonars are busted you ain’t seen nothing) but the range IDK

[kind dock]

remove glitch traps from game

[feral geyser]

He needs 2x scop or Holo-Red Dot Scop

[feral geyser]

They are of no use anyway, I think they should remove both it and data re-shaper from the game, they are both useless accessories.

[burnt canyon]

To say glitch traps are of no use is crazy

[restive plover]

https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExZzJxdjZnNjhxdTh3bjY4eWhxeHQyNm8zYjV3cGswYTd1MjJidWp2byZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/Hb4Ns3rwPXmkdYhKnv/giphy.gif

[feral geyser]

Yeah

[feral geyser]

Translation error glitch traps I tried to say that no one cares

[burnt canyon]

Bro the amount of play glitch traps have in top world tour, with shutting down defib spam? If no one cares then actual skill issue fr

[feral geyser]

Yes you are right I don't know about tournament mode as I have never been there

[feral geyser]

Actually, its effect is a bit weak. If it had an effect like Light's shock weapon, then it would be perfect.

[restive plover]

It is already very strong, that would be a nightmare.

[burnt canyon]

Give the riot shield a shock effect to really surpress players abilities

[wet night]

So what items help the duel blades on medium

[burnt canyon]

Run demat/turret w jump pad, glitch trap and flex

[wet night]

Okay I will try that

[burnt canyon]

Demat is for overall movement and surprises, turret if u can set up let's u play keep away while still doing DMG if u defend the turret w/ reflect

[wet night]

How does demat help movement? I am coming back and don't fully know what it does, from the description it just sounds like it changes items layed out on the field

[burnt canyon]

You can demat walls and pillars to allow climbing and getting away, while aslo demating floors to get out of shit spots, demat players to make them fall away from teams or demat walls and close them to get away or behind enemies etc

[boreal laurel]

It’s basically a breaching charge that you can undo (does no damage)

Left-click on a wall and a chunk of it disappears, right-click to put the wall back (it goes back by itself eventually)

[wet night]

Oh! okay I get it now

[boreal laurel]

It’s my favorite med spec of all time 😎

[burnt canyon]

It's very high skill ceiling

[restive plover]

Baguette sword and croissant throwing knives

[slender briar]

Allow dematerialiser to also remove any props within 1 metre of the affected surface to improve consistency

This includes other walls for when they have a double wall between floors

[soft juniper]

Small idea: Holding left click can let you throw an object/gadget further

[rancid haven]

To save the finals

ADD CUSTOM SCOPES THAT U WANT FOR UR GUN

[hasty juniper]

that would completely break the meta and make certain guns WAY too oppressive, as well as it would take away from the sight/dmg tradeoff that embark very cleverly created.

[kind night]

Please get rid of sniper in terminal attack

[icy geyser]

Grenade indicator? sometimes the audio queue just isn't enough for frags, especially since you cant see them very well in places with trash on the ground like the streets in begas

[bleak wharf]

nice community

[rancid haven]

Another fun thing to add is a dmr

[shadow onyx]

idk, but with the already fast pace of the game I feel like it might make it too hard to get hits with frags

[shadow onyx]

left click is already to do an underhand throw, or in the case of carrying carriables to drop it. IDK, but my pet peeve is when players throw my statue instead of dropping it 😭

[cunning kettle]

the default for underhand is actually right click. also, karma wanted the ability to hold left click to increase the range of the throw

[soft juniper]

What Im saying is "HOLDING" left click you charge up a to throw the object further insted of what we currently have

[shadow onyx]

I need to go back to learn the difference between right and left

blud is isn't even in elementary school yet

[ashen slate]

its the same thing as changing the recoil pattern of guns... it doesnt do anything but hamper things for newer players
and i do alot of far quick throws so having to spend the extra seconds charging a throw would honestly make me stop using grenades completely and switch over to exclusively mines cuz if im gonna need to charge the throw anyway why not do it with mines. and have those as well as basically a short range a frag.

[light geyser]

New gadget idea
Toolbox-
A way to heal and repair turrets/APS’s. Plus any other gadgets embark adds in the future.

[ashen slate]

they increased the weight significantly and damage falls off hard the more explosives are stacked together to the point were 3 explosions end up doing less damage then if you were to use whatever the barrel was. or if it had one explosive on it.
that and you can hardly throw them with anything attached

[cunning kettle]

mines dont arm unless the canister they are place on is on the ground

and unarmed explosives deal 20% damage iirc (they also wont detonate when close)

but you can put mines on something like a smoke canister or a prop to throw them extra far

[sand monolith]

What sight/damage trade off

[rare echo]

Am I crazy? Didn’t the heavy motion sensor used to track enemies through walls if they’re moving? Now it’s only LOS. That makes it significantly weaker 😢

[sand monolith]

Nvm I read this wrong

Realistically it is a range/damage trade off. Putting a sight on an m11 or V9S isn’t gonna do much

[fleet brook]

I don't understand why light is the only class with marksman rifles

[gaunt quest]

I’m team Bolt Action rifle à la Kar98k for mediums to balance out the amount of marksman rifles in the game

[fleet brook]

I'm just mad cuz I'm farming the challenge

Hit 20 headshots with marksman rifles or handguns and besides mediums terrible revolver that feels like a light centered challenge

[gaunt quest]

I hear ya, I always run the V95 for that challenge, I have- Notes on the revolver so I just try to avoid using it

[fleet brook]

Tbf if the 93 R counts that's 3 headshots per click

[gaunt quest]

I’ve only recently started trying to get into the 93R, what little I like to play light, so someone might have to fact check the headshot counting

[cunning kettle]

revolver aint bad but its so annoying to use for headshots

[gaunt quest]

I feel like the ads is a little wonky sometimes, and I haven’t tried much with the crouching hipfire

[cunning kettle]

revolver hipfire is just gambling if if gotta be honest

you either hit 3 bodyshots and a headshot or you miss all 6 shots at qm range

[gaunt quest]

I thought that the revolver had pretty good hipfire? That’s how I understood it

[cunning kettle]

it does have good hipfire

That’s why I said you either hit 3 body shots and a head shot or nothing at all

[gaunt quest]

Ohh, I just thought since You said it was a gamble for the hipfire, it wasn’t as good as I thought it was, sorry hehe

[next root]

(throwing knives) Pancakes 🥞 ??? 😋

[raven bridge]

what if the stun gun was like the tracking dart but instead of applying a tracking effect for an extend period of time it applied a glitch effect for an extended period of time

[unborn stirrup]

What if there was a glitch gun separate from the existing stun gun and tracking dart

[ember vapor]

Well
That would be strange tbh
Like, the stun gun basically do the same thing, but have lower debuff effect

[unborn stirrup]

itd be basically the same with just a shorter cooldown i guess, honestly be pretty interesting

[hardy dust]

Stun would become way worse

Having full glitch effect instead of movement penalty would be so much better

[true mirage]

pls nerf model aaahahah

the movement with model goes crazyjust dropped 40kills in emerald lobby, i feel like its just

the gun

[ember vapor]

But when you have stun effect, you disrupting cash out stealing or reviving

[true mirage]

true

[candid goblet]

i have a suggestion for the bow. could there be added an attachment where the arrow could either be a pyro,gas or explosive arrow

thoughts?

[cunning kettle]

long range explosives 😭

[obsidian spear]

The thing I really want to see is a wing suit possibly for light or medium, this would be really great for movement and to escape battles high up and all around really fun

[cunning kettle]

Wing suit + jump pad would be so sick

[unborn stirrup]

Honestly would be awesome if it was just a gadget with limited ammo.
Also "long range explosives" as if they don't already exist 😭 Watch me lob a frag from a completely unseen vantage point and get two kills.

[cunning kettle]

Have you seen the bow’s range?

Imagine you get blown up by someone 120m away

[unborn stirrup]

Yeah thats why it would be like, you get two shots explosive at 80 damage direct hit, plus maybe it has a much larger arc so you can't just snipe people with it.

[marsh python]

NERF SNIPER IN CQC

😭

[obsidian nexus]

i would love a marksman rifle for medium.

[ashen hawk]

give me orbital laser stirk

@mystic nimbus
guy the recoil is disgusting. sure ive got used to it, but its completely beginner unfriendly, pushes new guys away from heavies if they like lmgs or smg.
and no, i said reduce the recoil. not remove it💀

[vale obsidian]

^^^

was going to tell him the same thing

[mystic nimbus]

so you basically want a braindead lewis again

[vale obsidian]

just more accessable?

[mystic nimbus]

just learn recoil pattern?

if u want a reduce in recoil sure, but nerf the dmg even more

[ashen hawk]

💀
is bro brain dead himself.
i believe u havent played with a lewis. let me ellaborate for ur sensitive mind
the lewis has hellish recoil, with not good enough damage for that recoil, making it useless against m11, akm, etc.
and the lewis back then wasnt braindead (maybe u r noffense). it was almost perfect. they needed to reduce the recoil to slightly low but got it twenty times low

[mystic nimbus]

and it'll become like fcar aka dead

[ashen hawk]

im ded.
bro u must joking.
"learning" recoil pattern doesnt do shit if u havent played with it.
we have.
we know. the lewis is ded rn. only reason why ppl play with it is cuz there are no other feasible ranged heavy options.
also, srry if i was rude back there in the prev msg

[mystic nimbus]

I've played lewis for the entirety of season 1 until i switched to light in s2 and u can know a weapon is brain dead or not when you find me getting more than 15 kills per game with it (I'm shit with guns)

[mystic nimbus]

if m11 kills u then that's a skill issue lmfao

[ashen hawk]

lol no way 15 kills. explain why were getting so many complains abt lewis nerf.
bro, i was heavy main in s1 as well. its braindead now.
i guess u barely faced a xp54 or m11, or even akm, cuz the smgs i mentioned melt u in seconds

[mystic nimbus]

no one plays lewis because the playerbase is basically crippled players who want low skill high rewards weapins

[ashen hawk]

light main auto detected. m11 is damn powerful had medium range. barely any recoil, hellish slow reload time, extreme fire rate.
bro we know ur lying. ur only decieving urself.

[ashen hawk]

that is the effing prob im trying to say abt.
if m11 and xp54 are no skill high reward then same shd be for lewis. either that or make them braindead like fcar and lewis as wel

[ashen hawk]

and fyi, it cant be a skill issue if i get an avg of eleven kills with m11 and around five with lewis.

[mystic nimbus]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1Ud7Rdl3AgMw9mmfDwW2LtDMnzZQ9IIhnqSE4ivsaMTs/htmlview#

check the current ttk between lewis and m11/xp💀

"the current" not the old braindead lewis

1.34s to kill a heavy with xp
1.26s to kill a heavy with m11
0.72s to kill a light with lewis

[burnt canyon]

Can't see how they'll add a new marksman rifle that doesn't one shot light again lmao

[mystic nimbus]

the current "dead" lewis not the old "dead" lewis

failed attempt to gaslight me, nice try buddy

[autumn trench]

When are you going to release the suspended game I really want to play games, but I didn't even use illegal programs.. Hustle#3172

[ashen hawk]

why is bro stressing out like this.
man just chill no need to be so statistic lmao

[mystic nimbus]

wdym no skill with xp and m11????? you literally get one tapped with everything in the game as a light, id u stand still for 0.5s you'll either get melted with akm/lewis or 2 tapped by model/rpg or hooked and 2tapped by winch +sa12/sledge and ofc charge and slam with 130dmg on press

playing light and survive in those scenarios is already a high skill

[mystic nimbus]

that's literally the definition of skill issue lmao

[mystic nimbus]

I'm chill, I'm not the one who keeps saying "lying" "lying to yourself" and keeps trying to gaslight others by saying some bs about ttk

[ashen hawk]

is bro this jobless to be still talking abt this. dumass i play with m11 lewis and fcar everyday and get 12 kills on avg, world tour gold

[ashen hawk]

ye right thats why bro is still talkig abt this even now after hours

bro tf i dont have time for all this shit i aint jobless to be shittalking abt smthng so irrelevant like u

[mystic nimbus]

I'm jobless? even tho you're the one who sent the most msgs in this debate lol

[ashen hawk]

lol bro whos the one that continued this arguement

man just shut up and good bye.
its an effing game my god stop taking this so seriously
go waste sm1 elses time

[mystic nimbus]

also why are you flexing you wt rank? it's not even comp mode😂

that's my rank btw
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1267617269874430023/1280219412502286366/image.png?ex=66d7f17d&is=66d69ffd&hm=c868933baf4e66254c84b4c34831c87e04371a1c779d3d21015b5e02334d5f43&

blessed number 🙃

[mystic nimbus]

so you're changing the subject now after getting roasted and proven wrong, typical.

[ashen hawk]

im ded. bro i aint playing termianl attack if thats compet.
and i dont give a shit abt ur badge

whos telling u u roasted me. no way.
i only change the subject when the asshole in front is being useless.
rn i have things to talk on the valorant server, r6s server and overwatch server.

[mystic nimbus]

LMFAO

typical valorent/r6s player

[ashen hawk]

srry i dont waste time on sm1 whos this sweaty and serious abt the game

[ashen hawk]

typical the finals light main.
lol bro the finals has much less players than both of these rn.
AND for gods sake CHILL MAN

ur the one constantly trying to "roast" me and knows ur gonna get shit in the end, just like ur life.
learn to use it, and stop wasting ur time.
im not the one whos constantly shittalking in this conversation and showing world tour badges lmao.
just stop being weird

[fleet brook]

That'd be busted

[ashen hawk]

have a good day, to all the finals players 😀

[mystic nimbus]

i don't have a main i play all classes equally, as u can see i don't have a class badge/role for a reason

[fleet brook]

So make it objectively worst

[mystic nimbus]

.

[fleet brook]

Tbf heavies lmgs are already not the best damage option

But it's weird that heavies range extender has some of the worst recoil out of all his lmgs

[scarlet goblet]

Best meta weapons medium?

[mystic nimbus]

model is meta
akm is alright if u want an AR

[fleet brook]

Akm/fcar

[sturdy bramble]

He's doing it for the fun of it. Bros arguing at #🌍┇maps too

[mystic nimbus]

💀

[sturdy bramble]

🫃anyways buff burst pistol

[ashen hawk]

lol cuz at that time i was on cooldown on gamefeedback or smthgn

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-drama-discorddrama-gif-22395692

[ashen hawk]

and its all in the fun pls. its a vid game server, ppl are spposd to aruge iwth each other and give opinions. go to val or r6s ull see the same

[sturdy bramble]

idk man this whole discord is pretty much who can cry the loudest on who has it hard then who

[sturdy bramble]

Who said you supposed to argue with people lmao? You can have debates without making it an argument

[ashen hawk]

lol i thought debate and arugement was the same thing

[sturdy bramble]

Surprisingly not

[ashen hawk]

but its still a chill arugement dw

[fleet brook]

Class oppression Olympics

[mystic nimbus]

and embark actually listens to who cries the loudest, what a shitty state we're going through rn😔

[sturdy bramble]

Smfh

At this point I can care less on what classes do as long as it's playable against all classes

[fleet brook]

Tbf I legitimately thought this was a light therapy circle when I first joined

[ashen hawk]

lmao

[sturdy bramble]

It should. Light is the most hated class I'm the game and it's never gonna change.

They complain about the things that make the class it's identity

[mystic nimbus]

It still is, but now it's somehow also mediums who don't play model

[ashen hawk]

its hated solely cuz of tk. but atl it got nerfed. but eff 1887 that can two shot from m11 distance

[mystic nimbus]

the dash nerf was so dogshit

they literally crippled light even more

[ashen hawk]

ppl use 1887 as ar these days

[sturdy bramble]

The xp needs better drop off. That's all I gotta say in terms of weapons

[fleet brook]

Two shot "lights"

[ashen hawk]

ye but they need to focus on 1887

[sturdy bramble]

Xp can beam at 40 meters.. it needs a nerf

[fleet brook]

Yes it's a good weapon but why does everyone use lights literally the lowest HP class as the damage metric

[ashen hawk]

exactly what i am saying

[sturdy bramble]

That too yeah. So many times where I'm getting shit on by it

[fleet brook]

Sledge can one shot lights

[ashen hawk]

expression

[mystic nimbus]

xp dmg drop off, tks nerf and model dmg nerf and more spread or smth

[hardy dust]

Xp needs a slight range nerf and model also needs a slight ranged nerf, although a wider spread would have the same result. Although model is definitely a bigger issue right now

[ashen hawk]

but its still a meelee, and has many counter options, given that winch recently got a nerf

[sturdy bramble]

I think ttk for xp is fine. If you miss a few hits you leave them at 20 hp and your fucked

[mystic nimbus]

winch nerf😂😂😂😂😂

[fleet brook]

Oh ok I'm just pointing out that using the lowest HP class as a kill marker is stupid

[hardy dust]

Its pretty average overall

[sturdy bramble]

Nothing wrong with the weapon. It simply rewards hitting your shots for a smg. The range is an issue that's all

[hardy dust]

Yep

[mystic nimbus]

winch nerf in question: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1266737129182986342/1275595449998250066/okai_buddy.mp4?ex=66d84296&is=66d6f116&hm=3268cde0e1840c0b35be4dea71b31ed2d93515a49c847898abc9a14aeaa8fe2d&

[fleet brook]

I'm gonna say it hottake

Lmgs feel much worse

Been playing heavy since beta playing lmgs feel bad doesn't mean there damage is bad it just feels so much worse

[hardy dust]

As s2? Yeah, they're no longer op

[sturdy bramble]

Winch needs to have less stagger and stun when it's done.

[mystic nimbus]

it needs to be removed

[fleet brook]

Difference is they feel like crap

I don't enjoy shooting people with grapes

[hardy dust]

And lewis got bad recoil reworks

[sturdy bramble]

Should feel like a yoink/drag more then a grab to be honest

[fleet brook]

Also range on lmgs are terrible

[mystic nimbus]

it shouldn't have been added in the first place, this game didn't need another stun especially on the most op class in the game

[fleet brook]

Honestly flamethrower feels better than using most lmgs if you're gonna be in lmg range anyways

[hardy dust]

Ehh... that might be a stretch

[fleet brook]

I mean feels more impactful currently to me

[hardy dust]

But they do feel pretty bad to use, although lewis is still very strong

[sturdy bramble]

buffing range Lmgs might change how they play the class. The whole counter for heavy is keeping distance

[fleet brook]

Same reason I never really played akm shooting people with bb bullets was never my type of weapon

[hardy dust]

They ought to get buffs but only after free win buttons on heavy get nerfed

[mystic nimbus]

dafuq u mean lmg range, bro just go into practice range and learn the recoil pattern

[fleet brook]

What more do you want them to take from winch?

[sturdy bramble]

AKM damage is alot compared to mag size no?

[mystic nimbus]

@median olive @spice oxide

[fleet brook]

You can secure a kill on a med but that's always been the way

[fleet brook]

Damage range / drop off

[sturdy bramble]

I've always been able to pick off heavy with a couple shots thats already been in other then that idk

[hardy dust]

Not having it be a free kill?

[mystic nimbus]

dmg drop off on lewis is 25~35meter bro

[hardy dust]

M60 has a pretty bad falloff but lewis is better than rifles

[sturdy bramble]

It does feel like a free kill tho tbh. Simply winch left click melee can kill instantly

[fleet brook]

It's almost like there's 2 other lmgs then lewis

[sturdy bramble]

Probably the fastest ttk other then grenades

[fleet brook]

How would you do that and still make it a grab? Without nerfing sledge overall

[sturdy bramble]

Make it not a grab. More like a pull

[fleet brook]

So death slinger? From dbd

[sturdy bramble]

I never played dbd so idk

[fleet brook]

Altho that locks both parties in a tug of war

[sturdy bramble]

Won't be a tug of war it's just a forced and fixed push to that direction

If you play it right you can reasonably have time to escape with the momentum given. But also be punished if heavy manages to hit it's melee on you

It's not a bad idea. If they're gonna give it a nerf without taking away it's purpose that's probably the best way

Really not sure how to explain it

[hardy dust]

Sledge was fine as a niche pick before winch, If googun worked properly against players again it would help sledge

[fleet brook]

Death slinger shoots a harpoon gun skill shot

It hits you

Death slinger has to reel you in kinda slowly and you can "resist" resist enough or drag yourself behind an object than the hold breaks

(Altho there's two many objects in the finals)

[fleet brook]

Goo got nerfed so now it's an eh counter

Not reliable to close the distance

[hardy dust]

Winch should have a visible windup with a clear noise

[sturdy bramble]

Oh that will kill the gadget all together

[mystic nimbus]

i was about to mention the cm lol

[sturdy bramble]

Think about dark Vader being pissed and pushing you back. But backwards. That's what I mean

[fleet brook]

How long of a charge if too long it's useless

Plus id like a range unnerf then because using winch on objectives now is worse

[hardy dust]

Something similar to tk alt fire

[sturdy bramble]

You still get to keep the momentum of the pull when being grabbed

[fleet brook]

Isn't that like a second ?

[hardy dust]

Maybe variable after seeing how much of an effect it has

[hardy dust]

Yeah smth like that

[sly lodge]

Chat have they changed the akm recoil pattern?

[fleet brook]

Also I know that winch is being balanced around its player pull but they just kinda made it terrible for objectives and trophies and non people things

[restive plover]

No.

[hardy dust]

Not since forever

[fleet brook]

But fr why does winch have an objective pull if it's only 12 M and it's not a strong pull

[sturdy bramble]

Idk why they made it useless against objectives.

They should just make it a stronger pull

Increase the range to 15 or something

[vale obsidian]

wait akm was change at all?

[dim onyx]

akm still on top lets go

[shell sonnet]

@vale obsidian

im not sure, did we already talk about a bomber vest?

[vale obsidian]

yes and it'll be funny

[shell sonnet]

how would we balance it?
1-shots suck

[vale obsidian]

idc if its shit

i just want the funny

[shell sonnet]

an idea

what if it only respawned the user and the afflicted

(without using tokens obviously)

just to reiterate, i still think its a bad idea

[vale obsidian]

but i want the funny

[upper sinew]

we need more guns

(for more kooking)

[shell sonnet]

we could add other funnies

fish and fridge door as skin for riot
pasta spear

something like that

[upper sinew]

or wappon skins that changes the wappon comleetly but not the stats (revolver int deagle, has to eraneble by playing the game)

[shell sonnet]

i know thats different to actual gameplay changes
ive played battle bit, i know how awesome an item like that can feel

but it would be way to punishing here, even if its a 1:1 trade
then both people are just stuck in spectator until revived or coined
boring

[shell sonnet]

thats something we should be doing tbh

someone suggested a slingshot skin for bow, that sounds sick

though i wonder if it impacts accessability, because players have to learn that this item just happens to be the same as the other one

[upper sinew]

make it events tied to it and theme a smal mapp around earning that guns skinn, no fomo only rotation of the map for that earneble skinn (making it accesseble every time nomatter wen you stard playn g the game)

[agile field]

we need a smg for mediums

[distant swallow]

agree

[wild galleon]

are the lava weapon skins supposed to glow? mine doesnt

[distant swallow]

u need to dump ur make until it starts glowin after more mags its fully glowin

[distant swallow]

.

[wild galleon]

ah ok

[hardy dust]

Some recoil changes in s1 iirc

[jade violet]

finally finish this

[shadow onyx]

kar 98k for medium then, mp 40 for light, and mg 42 for heavy.

[fervent arrow]

When you spin in a circle you fling around a spaghetti noodle with a hurtbox

[honest saddle]

They should add dual pistols or a desert eagle

[jade violet]

wtf?

https://tenor.com/view/gatling-gun-shoot-them-heavy-weapons-big-gun-ammo-gif-18134044

compare with MG42,I more perfer this one

The Gatling!

[shadow onyx]

imo we should get cars as gadgets and then you could like deploy a f2004 and drive around the map or deploy a mustang and crash into all of the players and buildings

[jade violet]

MG42 have to change barrel,but gatling not

[shadow onyx]

Light should get a FB Vis 35

[silk jungle]

same. took me so long to get the pistol headshots hahaha ..because im absolutely ass with that

[jade violet]

will developer check this channel?

I hope so because I wonder medium have Barrett

[shadow onyx]

Barrett lowkey seems more like a heavy weapon.

[jade violet]

.50 BMG

[jade violet]

btw,what do u think is the prototype of SR84 in reality

[silk jungle]

good idea! But what about planes and helicopters? would love to just chill in a AC-130 gunship all game

[jade violet]

Remington M24 maybe?

[shadow onyx]

R84

[jade violet]

actually,it already have it

[jade violet]

Alien invasion and Retro invasion

[silk jungle]

Szecsei & Fuchs Double Barrel Bolt Action Rifle

[jade violet]

hmm,thats right

[silk jungle]

cant post a pic of it yet, but i love that one

[jade violet]

looks like a hunting rifle

[shadow onyx]

It could be anything since the finals doesn't really try to make the guns accurate to life but I think it's the R84 because of the commonality of 84 in the names and the unique scope placement

[jade violet]

Famas Felin?

looks reality

but why not full auto

@developer full auto 1000rpm famas please

[burnt canyon]

I vote deagle for heavy, give it rounds that penetrate walls tbf, man would it be cool to snipe players through wood walls that you see with a motion sensor active on defence

[shadow onyx]

I kind of said the wrong thing but what I meant was that sometimes the fine details are off, for example on the eotech and the fact that the sr84 is more of a "generic bolt action rifle"

[shadow onyx]

also speaking of that, I hope we get a skin of the sr84 that looks like the real gun

[mossy stream]

does anyone know why an enemy played in our ranked game was highlighted blue the entire round? it happened twice to another but i have no clue. idk if its tracking dart as ive never used it...

[shadow onyx]

was it like particles coming off of them and you could see them through walls

[mossy stream]

yea it happened right at the start of two ranked rounds

[shadow onyx]

idk, but the particle effect usually comes from things like sonar or motion sensor iirc

[mossy stream]

yeah ik i use sonars but that highlights them red not blue which is why i wasnt sure if it was tracking dart or someone cheating lol (i just have no clue)

[shadow onyx]

idk then

[mossy stream]

weird i cant find it anywhere

[shadow onyx]

Also, I think the Finals AKM actually has the iron sights from an RPK.

[civic cairn]

light grenade launcher

[versed siren]

no way we get normandy map for season 4

the cosmetics are going to go crazy

[civic cairn]

yes

[versed siren]

lets make it do 140 damage

heavies will finally know how it feels

[shadow onyx]

Add Steyr M1912

[agile willow]

was there a quiet patch or balance i didn't hear about?

[wild galleon]

normandy?

[hardy dust]

More, then gradually nerf it to 140

230, 180, 165, 150 and then 140

[versed siren]

make it do 1 damage but slowly deal one damage per second for the next 2 mintues

[unborn stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/grenade-explosion-rpg-boom-gif-5135363

well shit

[hardy dust]

https://tenor.com/view/embed-fail-dissapointed-sad-teary-seal-gif-3391051642056876120

[next root]

WE NEED MORE VOLPE SKINS !!!!

[ornate vigil]

We also need more Holtow Clothes

[bronze spade]

we need a life!!!!

[next root]

WE NEED TO TOUCH GRASS 🗣️

[stoic egret]

Would be dope for heavy to have three or four deployable drills. Activate like C4 but no explosive damage. Toss a few on some key points of a structure and bring the sucker down.

[hardy dust]

So... thermal bore?

[stoic egret]

I mean, kinda, but more destruction capability and surprise factor. Glitchable obv. Like the breach charge but no explosion, just drills through to the other side and breaks the structure where it’s drilling

[hardy dust]

So something shorter range and longer activation but more destruction

[stoic egret]

Yusssss

[hardy dust]

That would be pretty cool
Kinda like how breach is a mini c4

[cunning kettle]

heavies charging through walls is already scary enough 😭

one sonar and theres a heavy running at me faster than i can sprint

[hardy dust]

If you could pick how long it takes that could be pretty cool

[stoic egret]

Just imagine you’re chillin at the cash out, and you start hearing ominous beeps all around you, then the building just starts collapsing. Would be hella epic.

[hardy dust]

Imagine timing multiple of them to destroy the entire building at once

[stoic egret]

Bingoooo

[cunning kettle]

ok real talk, the destruction in this game loves to trap me

if its just a bit too slanted my character cant get over it

[stoic egret]

Same haha, but that’s part of the fun

[cunning kettle]

had to rpg myself one time

[agile willow]

the mantle mechanics on sloped surfaces is broken fs

[stoic egret]

Goo gun loves to toss debris around and get you out of a tight one

[agile willow]

in the bakery in the mall in seoul, you cant mantle over the glass display case, you just hang awkwardly in mid air

[cunning kettle]

ok but winch claw lets me do shit like this

[hardy dust]

Goo nades send stuff flying

[hardy dust]

Through the wall 😭

[agile willow]

is it me or did that winch claw fly by wire to the target 💀

[cunning kettle]

nah its the huge ass hitbox

[primal cliff]

Akm best gun in the game

[swift chasm]

fcar best gun in game

[jade violet]

actually is Famas

if u know how to use it well

[hardy dust]

Its probably model rn

[cunning kettle]

nah its 93r trust

[agile willow]

heavy on heavy violence

[hardy dust]

We don't talk about that

Gentleman's agreement not to use it

Its too op

[cunning kettle]

sorrgy

[boreal laurel]

This 👆

[jade violet]

V9S is better than 93R I think

[cunning kettle]

nah 93r is meta trust

[obtuse panther]

fcar = goat

[boreal laurel]

93R, riot shield, and MGL32

🤣🤣🤣

[jade violet]

do u know they nerfed FCAR damage and changed recoil pattern

[eager wasp]

oh fr did they? when did they do that

[hardy dust]

Cuz it was super op

[hallow current]

Unfortunately this is still true

[cunning kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-whar-whar-what-cat-whar-cat-cat-whar-slow-blink-orange-cat-whar-slow-blink-gif-6291533950402242103

[ember vapor]

lie!!!

[restive plover]

Akm and famas are both better.

[ember vapor]

KS is so underrated imo

You always get 100 damage with it

[restive plover]

Unless they're 19 meters away.

[ember vapor]

Well
Still useful tbh

[restive plover]

The ks is pretty adequately rated in my opinion. Bad breakpoints, bad reload, a projectile with constant random dispersion, and the destruction ability is near worthless.

[hallow current]

Yeah

[marsh python]

we need a mode where the RPG is a weapon and it has no cooldown

[vale obsidian]

and rocket jump! :D

[hallow current]

"need"

[marsh python]

yes it is a need

[vale obsidian]

would be fun tho

[timber igloo]

Isn't it a slug shotgun?

[restive plover]

Yes, why?

[timber igloo]

Just wanted 2 know

[normal geyser]

idea cuz its world tour add a map skin of the world on the heavy barricade

[restive plover]

Yall guys thought abt nerfing the 93r?

[cunning kettle]

Definitely needed

[vale obsidian]

oh yeah 100%

[ashen hawk]

the winch nerf was def justified, but it was still a nerf tbh. maybe sledge's secondary attack shd do more damage to the environment than players, since its what players are complaining abt most "one shot lights" or smthgn. but that wouldnt rlly make sense

[mystic nimbus]

huh

[ashen hawk]

bro chill. i get ur point. relax man

[mystic nimbus]

"Hey guys we nerfed rpg dmg from 140 to 139, a nerf is a nerf u should be grateful " -moment

[ashen hawk]

all im sayin the winch claw nerf was fine

[ornate juniper]

It clearly wasn't enough

[ashen hawk]

lol u knew what i meant, no need to twist it or smthng

[mystic nimbus]

why are you telling everyone to relax whenever they counter respawn to you while you're obviously the one being salty, u did it yesterday with me , u did it today and you'll do it tomorrow if u don't want to be countred then don't give your shity takes and expect no one to argue with u about it

[ashen hawk]

all those ppl that are asking for it to be buffed again is weird, noffense. another nerf woud be normal for me tho, no reaction

[ashen hawk]

lmao i dnt understand this one.
bro u were the one that was suddenly throwin insults for no reason abt the lewis.
and the only reason im coming to the finals discord is to get some arguements. dont mind that stuff at all, as long as it doesnt get to insults from anyone

[mystic nimbus]

it should be removed from.the game, a hook and stun shouldn't be given to the most op class in the game

ig i already said that yesterday already

[ashen hawk]

lol ye true. but then get some other thing that makes sledges a bit more viable
or maybe just get a mechanic where u can a fire fast enough to get the winch broken or smthgn. like a counter option

[mystic nimbus]

there was no single insult yesterday other than maybe 'skill issue ' 💀

[ashen hawk]

but the biggest prob to this season was how they nerfed so many things from every single class. there was barely any buff to anything, and no actual gun. i mean i get it. more diversity of weapons. but now we want guns in s4

[ashen hawk]

yesterday is yesterday. that make u happy?

[mystic nimbus]

why are you telling him to chill and relax while he didn't 'insult' you then?

[ashen hawk]

why r u bein so stubborn. man stop scrolling up and live in the past. chill and relax have diff meanings in diff context. and u shoudlnt care abt what happens to sm1 else so long as im not harassing or abusing them. or discrimination

[mystic nimbus]

wdym someone else ,you literally said it to me less than 24hrs ago 🤡

[fleet brook]

6 am and my notification sound wakes me up to this

[shell sonnet]

Slegde m2 attack was never an issue until winch came along

Even if we nerfed sledge, winch is still way too strong with sa1216 and flamethrower

Can we please nerf the actual broken item instead of ruining every other weapon around it?

[restive plover]

But you see, they heavy players with two left hands need their auto win tools.

[clear needle]

S4 Weapon whishlist for Embark: For L- Full Auto Glock 18, or Kriss Vector, for M- some sort of AR-15 or a 308. AR DMR with a ACOG, and for H- a Desert Eagle or a 50. Cal single shot high damage sniper.

[ashen hawk]

ye but some heavies would argue winch is good rn. we should try to bring up some specialization or gadget that makes meelees a bit more viable. a bit only.

[shell sonnet]

Winch for medium

Most of their weapons arent majorly effected by winch
Those that are arent any worse than what heavy does with them anyways
And it finally enables riot and fual blades

[ashen hawk]

guy mute ur notifications lmao

[fleet brook]

Usually when people @ it's relevant or a conversation

[ashen hawk]

but then thatll make it useless with meds. but if we nerf 1887 range and give winch to med then 👌

[primal cliff]

Vector would be cool, tarus style handgun for medium,

1 shot sniper is not happening lol

[shell sonnet]

They all do

Charge opens up walls (and ceilings to jump down from)
Alongside being a cap closer

Mesh tanks a crap ton of damage and you are free to engage during the reload

Goo gun is a major mobility option, alongside a janky stun

They all enable melee, but you need to play it right
Like it alwqys should have been

[ashen hawk]

then stop expecting relevant messages from a video game discord server for god's sake, its all abt debates and stuff here

[ashen hawk]

ye winch real made it different

[restive plover]

It affects the 1887 quite a lot, and actually decent gap closing riot shield would NOT be fun.

Even if neither of these were factors, being able to destroy postioning and basically guarantee someone's death by just playing with your team isn't good either. Winch should just be axed, like recon.

[fleet brook]

I kinda hate how this community can only think in

Nerfs and buffs and not reworks/redisgns

[primal cliff]

Facts

[chrome bobcat]

Guys hear me out let's redesign Defibs: you now have a shield like lifeline from the hit game Apex legends while reviving

[fleet brook]

I mean you can walk through shields in this game so it wouldn't be as bad

[shell sonnet]

Imo winch with model wouldnt be any worse than say sledge or ks-23 is right now

Gap closer riot would be unfun, but better than winch on heavy

Id prefer it axed to, but this is the "simplest" way to get it from opressive to useful but niche

[fleet brook]

Mfer can't think of a rework then tossing it to the next person

[chrome bobcat]

Double it and give it to the next person

[shell sonnet]

I did
No harm done in just throwing shit at a wall to see what sticks

[restive plover]

It would still be oppressive, just differently. People bitch enough about the model already.

[shell sonnet]

I try to make reworks for most things i have issues with

But winch is giving me a hard time

[chrome bobcat]

I have a winch rework. If you mash buttons fast enough you are freed from it

[shell sonnet]

Maybe with a slower pull?

If you werent that far in the first place, you cant escape fast enough

But its also less effective if abused from long range

While enabling long range utility support

Not bad

[fleet brook]

I'd say make it a qte/ combo based

That's mindless counter play and rewards macros (yes not everyone is cheating but I don't want to reward cheaters)

[fleet brook]

Also

Remove The player grab

Unnerf range

Increase pull power

Let it grab more things / pull loose wall pieces out or rip a chunk of wall out

Ripping wall would require a yank animation though

[shell sonnet]

I think thats similar to the one rework i came up with

One difference was the option to not destroy walls, and instead make it a gadget

[hazy spoke]

where skin showcase

[chrome bobcat]

https://youtube.com/@thefinalsskinshowcase will probably upload them in 2-3 hours

[manic panther]

why does the duel blades always do the default inspect after awhile. I unequipped and still

[nocturne ledge]

Curious if the grenade skins have been handed out, announcement said it had been but i dont see it anywhere

[vital forge]

Just like 43 other people said... you have to wait

[chrome bobcat]

been a bug since season started

[chrome bobcat]

society if people could read:

[nocturne ledge]

Cheers, its all i needed to know

[manic panther]

thanks

[vital forge]

Hunting light snipers is probably my new favorite thing to do

[nocturne ledge]

The fact its the same guy,

[astral verge]

love it

[vital forge]

Lol it made the clip. He was giving us hell before deciding to squishem.

[nocturne ledge]

the second kill looked personal 🤣

[vital forge]

I definitely wasn't counting his respawn timer...😇

[ornate juniper]

I believe melee Heavies were doing totally fine with Goo Gun or Charge N Slam in S2 and im saying this as S2 D2 Sledge heavy main

Winch + Sledge is a cancer combo which ruins other people experience and make them quit the game (I have some friends who dropped Finals because of this)

Here's my ideas how Winch Claw should be reworked:
• CD increased to 10-15 seconds
• Reduce distance from which you can reach the rival with a hook
• Increase the distance between the victim and those who use the Winch Claw by the time grapple animation ends
° Lights are the fastest and are dragged almost as close to the Winch user as they are now
° Mediums are dragged close but out of reach Sledge secondary attack
° Heavies are dragged close but out of reach of Sledge primary and secondary attacks
• Make it possible for victims to shoot and equip/prepare (but not use) gadgets during hook animation
• Fix winch dragging players through obstacles
• Make it impossible to drag people through mesh/dome shields

You might also give this reworked winch to mediums as they lack distance-breaking Specialization for melee setups

[fleet brook]

Goo got reworked to where it no longer trapped people

Giving the person the ability to shoot will let them out ttk the heavy 80-90% of the time making the other nerfs overkill

The distance is already 12M

Any other reductions and you might as well not use it

[ornate juniper]

Goo is doing totally fine
Rn winch is a free kill button for idiots

[fleet brook]

For reference 10M is where the first line is in the firing range area

Anything below 10M and that's not a gap closer if you're already within range

[fleet brook]

Goo used to lock you in place now it may be locks you in place for 1 second

Plus you can still shoot the heavy running at you

Heavy runs at a rate of 2ish meters per second

Meaning if a heavy goos anyone more then 10 meters away they're not catching them

Goo gun was used as a skill shot because it used to completely lock down all movement

[ornate juniper]

Yeah, might leave distance as it is or even give winch more distance if other features will be implemented

[fleet brook]

Which I think it's kinda revealing that the only way Melee heavy used to reliably kill was if they locked down all movement options for your opponent

[ornate juniper]

Yeah, that's what balance looks like

To deal enormous amounts of damage with melee H with 350 HP you have to be skilled and not just press button for free kill every 8 seconds

[fleet brook]

Issue is goo no longer locks you in place genius

[ornate juniper]

It does...

[fleet brook]

Not like old goo

[restive plover]

Old goo locking was also stupid and needs to stay gone.

[fleet brook]

Yes but that's why Melee heavy used goo and I think everyone forgets that

Or newer people

Old goo was infuriating

But it literally froze you in place and unless you had the ability to break the goo you were stuck there

The goo didn't auto break like it does now

And that wasn't particularly "skill full" heavy threw a grenade at you and you literally couldn't move. Unless you had pyro stuff on you and even then you'd take a chunk of self damage

[ornate juniper]

I did that in the beginning of this season with Goo + Sledge

If a player is good enough even current goo is a nightmare
The problem is people want no brain ez kills with Winch with which u don't even have to rush close to enemy and can just pull him close and deal at least 200 damage while a player is unable to do anything to counter this cancer

[fleet brook]

I can show me dropping big stays with any shit weapon/ combo doesn't mean it's broken

Nuh uh me good means combo still balanced

[ornate juniper]

Do you even read lol? U said current goo is bad for melee Heavies and i want to tell you thatt it clearly isn't and that current winch is 100 times more oppressive

[fleet brook]

I can still do Numbers with The SH

[fleet brook]

When did I say bad? I just said it was far worse than og goo

Goo isn't a good gap closing tool for any distance 10M +

[crisp heart]

you know what would severely nerf the defib? allowing players to grab and throw enemy statues

[ornate juniper]

You shouldn't be able to easily close distances above 10-15 with melee weapons otherwise you'll get something as oppressive and broken as current Winch which completely destroys any other close range build except winch+SA

[fleet brook]

(cough cough) light stun+dash

[ornate juniper]

Yeah, stun is a whole other problem as you can see

[ornate juniper]

Basically a free melee player kill

[crisp heart]

free melee kill? you guys forget that people mostly use guns

free gun kill

[ornate juniper]

And? How does that even relate to the topic?

Melee weapons are a part of this game like it or not so its devs opportunity to balance them and the counterplay tool against them

[crisp heart]

because it isn't a free kill

there is still the part of trying not to get shot

[ornate juniper]

Wanna test it out?
Wanna see how you'll survive a 8 second bullet rain

[fleet brook]

Also dash is a 1 button "outplay" for any melee pre Winch

[ornate juniper]

It's a healthy counterplay because i still have a chance to kill dash lights with the help of goo gun

[crisp heart]

wdym? bullet rain? I thought we were talking about melee

[fleet brook]

"healthy"

Close distance

Dash

Close distance

Dash

[vital forge]

Right! Anytime I get winched I say thanks & kill them.

[fleet brook]

Also you can't switch specilzaition mid match so unless you go In with goo gun you just lose

[ornate juniper]

Lol you try to convince a player who played Goo Gun + Sledge from the start of s2 that goo gun can't kill Dash lights?

Thats very interesting bro but has nothing to do with reality

[vale obsidian]

@torn harness its was a prank

[fleet brook]

I'm saying you can't switch specilzaition so unless you go on with goo gun that's a completely losing interaction

Because the light "outplayed you" by pressing the outplay button

[ornate juniper]

I was talking about scenarios where Lights with firearms use stun gun against melee H and L players
Thats a free kill

[fleet brook]

The amount of one button counterplay in this game is stupid and that's for all classes

[ornate juniper]

I always play with Goo Gun and have no difficulties killing most of Dash Lights

[fleet brook]

Jesus let me say this slowly

Because

You

Can't

Swap

Specilzaitions

Mid match

If

You go in with anything besides goo gun you'll always lose the interaction

No matter how skilled you are vs the other player

[crisp heart]

oh, I thought you meant free melee kill. you should've said that earlier

[ornate juniper]

Say it better next time cuz i barely get your point
Slam can also be used to chase down and even damage Lights at the same time

Yeah, it can only be performed at close range but thats the whole point of melee gameplay

You're good at close range and useless at any other
There shouldn't be Specializations like Winch who let you just grab people from mid range and slap them with melee

[crisp heart]

says you

[ornate juniper]

• i believe 1-2 tools for melee gameplay is more than enough

You want a whole arsenal of Specializations for melee gameplay or what?

[crisp heart]

Melee weapons needs a mechanic for the R button.

[fleet brook]

Dash has 3 charges

If you're smart

1 for c and S

1 for gap close

If you need last one idk you messed up somewhere

[ornate juniper]

I don't understand what you're trying to say...
What is "c and S"
About what are you talking

[crisp heart]

the last one is to attempt to dodge the Rocket launcher.

[fleet brook]

Charge and slam

C and s

[crisp heart]

also, I don't think a heavy should engage in fights alone, let alone trying winch someone for a free kill. then again it is situational and I play Heavy very casually.

[ornate juniper]

Okay, but you're not fighting in vacuum and sometimes you'll be forced to play at close distances even with Light and that's where Slam H should try to utilise his Specialization

Slam can be used as a melee Specialization but it's not as reliable as Goo Gun

[chrome bobcat]

has anyone seen the "new getting hit by goo" animation?

[royal thicket]

The patches are like 5 minutes old, how?

[vale obsidian]

i want to know whats yall top 10 lame weapon

[shell sonnet]

140 damage advantage pretty much decides who wins a 1v1 on its own (even more destructive in team fights as well)
and lights pretty much just cant escape

[chrome bobcat]

thats why hhm is so popular basically deletes anyone who isnt heavy

[shell sonnet]

though rpg is needed to counter defib

if rpg gets a nerf, MMM will be meta

both need a nerf

[languid basin]

I think that Medium NEEDS more explosive gadgets

[vale obsidian]

i don't think so
distraction are a heavy things, if we gave meds more explosive it just dosn't fit the role

[vital forge]

RPG has been nerfed three separate times. Just remove it.

[burnt canyon]

Defeatist mentality, just remove it's ability to completely skew fights by opening up with 140 dmg

[shell sonnet]

id like rpg to be a thermal bore (without fire but instant explosion)
though it does feel weird that light can also have destruction focused loadouts when thats heavies job

something limited like explosive mines and demat on medium are pretty fitting

but with breach and thermal they can be incredibly destructive

[vale obsidian]

said nerf was pretty meaningless other then that 150 to 140 change

[vital forge]

Not being able to shoot at your target is pretty meaningful

If you try to whip it out and hit your target quickly your rocket just goes wherever.

[burnt canyon]

Sounds more like an fcar complaint than an RPG ngl

[vital forge]

Fcar?!....go to the practice rang & try to kill the 50m dummy with ANY heavy weapon...hell you can even start with RPG🤣

[burnt canyon]

There's no situation that is gonna make me stand out in the open 50m from a player and say I want to fight this man lol

[burnt canyon]

Can we get the ability to use fire barrels as a way to dip our spears in to add fire effects to melee, or alt fire literally being a whirling firenado?

[autumn heart]

cool idea

[burnt canyon]

Just like give us something we can use barrels for other than the limited uses

Or like if heavy had some sort of cannon that can breach walls at a small distance, but can load barrels in the arena for some added bonus effects

[chrome bobcat]

How about now

[chrome bobcat]

Make it do 70 dmg give it 2 shots and make it be able to rocket jump

[covert parcel]

i think an underated idea of balancing utility spam is to increase its swap to & swap from speed

[chrome bobcat]

No it would just make gadgets feel like shit

[covert parcel]

enjoy getting rpg frag mgl32 slam combod

i use it, burst damage is way too high alone with rpg and slam

[chrome bobcat]

Holy shit mgl complaining is crazy dude. Literally the worst weapon in the game rn

[covert parcel]

its the premise of util spam

[chrome bobcat]

If you actually get killed by the mgl just delete the game dawg

[covert parcel]

i just said i used it

[chrome bobcat]

So what

[covert parcel]

reread

[chrome bobcat]

Burst damage? Are you serious? That thing does like 70 dmg best case scenario

[covert parcel]

clearly youve not gone up against a good heavy, hows LLM meta

[chrome bobcat]

Good heavies know the mgl is bottom tier trash and use good weapons like the SA and lewis

[covert parcel]

clearly you havent found orbital strike heavy comps

[vital forge]

That's worse! The biggest issue is when two Heavies use rpg. Imagine four to six rockets on the same team🤣 realistically there is no way to balance rpg. Take it out or leave it alone. People are going to wine and bitch either way.

[chrome bobcat]

Before the mgl hits you can literally just run away from it dude it takes like 2 full sec to detonate

[covert parcel]

clearly you havent found orbital strike heavy comps

how is low elo LLM - LMH doing for you

[vital forge]

I just run towards them if they're dumb enough to be close.

[chrome bobcat]

Just make it a mobility/destruction gadget instead of damage

"low elo" this mf plays ranked TA 😭😭🙏🙏

[covert parcel]

wt

[vital forge]

That's kind of what it feels like a lot of times already

[chrome bobcat]

Wt has no sbmm 💀

[covert parcel]

you probably three stack to get to em its ok, and yes it does

[chrome bobcat]

The rpg I mean

[vital forge]

Yeah me too I've got countless clips of RPGs detonating within a few feet of people doing 11 damage

[chrome bobcat]

No it literally doesn't also if you actually think mgl is op just uninstall dude read a book go outside

[covert parcel]

not mgl itself, rpg and slam combo

[chrome bobcat]

But it doesn't shoot you into the air or give you momentum

[chrome bobcat]

Rpg is just op in general. Mgl is the last of heavies problems

[covert parcel]

reread bro 💀

[covert parcel]

im using it to show util spam combos, reread bro 💀

[chrome bobcat]

I'm not arguing with someone who thinks mgl is op. Bait used to be believable

[vital forge]

The term op has ultimately lost its meaning

[covert parcel]

i never said mgl is OP, reread bro 💀

[chrome bobcat]

Definitely

[vital forge]

RPG is def not op

[chrome bobcat]

People are saying anything is op these days. Rpg is overpowered tho

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/guh-stare-gif-4094844416938518680

[vital forge]

One single shotgun blast does more damage than a rpg....

[vale obsidian]

thats the first thing i read in here

[chrome bobcat]

Rpg has splash damage and doesn't take an entire primary slot

[vital forge]

Long cool down

Breach charge does more damage

Frags do more damage

[chrome bobcat]

Breach charge has setup time and rpg is easier to hit

[vital forge]

Breach charge has a short cool down

[vale obsidian]

@gleaming galleon i complain about the game bc its my fav game damn it!

[chrome bobcat]

Long enough for anyone to get the fuck away from it. Rpg is instant

Your points are whack as hell

[covert parcel]

if nexon pulls a nexon im gonna riot

[vital forge]

Rpg weak

[chrome bobcat]

Buff stungun so it tazers the player irl

[gleaming galleon]

Well complain constructively and stop posting the same gif that literally does nothing for anyone

[vital forge]

Buff rpg

To do as much damage as everything else

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-gumichan-bird-no-laughing-gif-5128531988218293677

[gleaming galleon]

This is why you're a clown dude 🤡 grow up a little

[chrome bobcat]

Ain't no way mfs getting mad about gifs

[vale obsidian]

i def going to "complain constructively" now but def not the other one

[vital forge]

Nobody gives a fuck

[gleaming galleon]

Not mad about the gif mad about spamming it in the feedback channels

@vale obsidian don't worry everyone is aware you aren't gonna grow up 🤡

[chrome bobcat]

It's not that serious dawg. You're making it look worse than it is

[gleaming galleon]

I know it's not serious, I'm just annoyed with it.

[grand cobalt]

Please add the flamethrower in the FLAME FUSION set, there are few skins for the flamethrower, also, esmerald skins and other high range skins should include the flamethrower

[chrome bobcat]

I think he really likes flamethrowers

[honest willow]

he’s just being counterintuitive and it works against what he wants anyway. posting that large gif just blocks out ACTUAL feedback and honestly if I were a dev, I’d just start ignoring the feedback channel if players started spamming dumb shit in there too

[honest willow]

which shotgun?

[chrome bobcat]

SH at point blank

[honest willow]

oh SH1900 huh

[honest willow]

i mean yah it does, but you also have to be point blank.. doesn’t RPG do 140 at any range

[chrome bobcat]

I think it's got some fall off also for the sh you have to be point blank on the class with the lowest health (not to mention rpg has splash)

[honest willow]

honestly idk if it does have fall off? I don’t think it does

[tranquil torrent]

give the cl-40 a skin that changes the model even the riot shield has one for gods sake

[vale obsidian]

i think i vedgely remember it can one tap full hp lights

[honest willow]

vedgely LOL sorry that was funny; yes it one taps light at point blank, one taps mediums at point blank, and 2 taps heavy at point blank

[vale obsidian]

*vaguely

not very good at grammor :)

[vital forge]

My point is rpg is nowhere near op or the strongest weapon or gadget. You can't Nerf it anymore without it being next to useless.

[vale obsidian]

WAIT MEDIUM TOO?

jusst read the wiki, it can do max damage of 195

[bitter surge]

Hammer + Winch is by far the worst META we’ve had…

[vital forge]

per shot... with invisibility or Dash that weapon is so busted I'm glad no one uses it

[vital forge]

That's most definitely not meta. That's just the only Loadout heavy has left

[vale obsidian]

db feel so inconsitent some time lol

[vital forge]

Not when you put it right in their mouth

Pellet spread is pretty crazy with that weapon

[vale obsidian]

being up in breath sniffing distent make them move really fast tho

[vital forge]

Dash in dash out

[shell sonnet]

How come everyone thats playing heavy is using it?

[vale obsidian]

good ol skill issue of me lol

[vital forge]

I don't answer rhetorical questions.

[shell sonnet]

How is it rhetorical?

[vital forge]

Tell me... what gadget would replace it? If heavy didn't have an RPG what would people take in place of it?

[vale obsidian]

frag?

closest thing to it

[honest willow]

pretty sure it one shots medium, let me chck again

oh shit maybe not my bad

[shell sonnet]

first of, avoiding the question

second, i think it wouldn't be replaced by any item in particular
most items have their ups and down, some are a little better than others
but you wont be forced into a loss if you pick any of them instead of the best (unlike with current rpg)
which would be a major improvement to item viability and loadout variety

[vital forge]

So you can't even answer your own rhetorical question got it

[honest willow]

The point was that RPG is a very good gadget and pretty much every heavy uses it; you are dodging him lol

I have no opinion on RPG btw idc if it gets nerfed or buffed. Maybe not buffed tho, cuz anymore dmg and it would 1 shot lights

[shell sonnet]

my question was why everyone is using it if its supposedly "balanced"

then i answered your question

whats your point?

[honest willow]

what even is your username also? Ofc two frags are more dmg than 1 rpg.. it's 2? Frags are much harder to hit anyway.. your name is like.. 1 bullet < 20 bombs

[vital forge]

The RPG pick rate says more about heavies Gadget selection than anything it's a rhetorical question because it answers itself dipshits

@honest willow one single frag does more damage than an RPG

[honest willow]

yea it should

[vital forge]

There you go I changed it for dumb people

[honest willow]

so RPG is very good cuz every heavy uses it no? you just didn't acknowledge that

[honest willow]

lol your name was just exagerrated, no need to play mean

[vital forge]

RPG has a high pick rate because everything else is shit that is the answer to the question doofus

[honest willow]

no... thats not why lol.

[vital forge]

@honest willow sorry getting ganged up on here🤣

That is 100% the reason

[shell sonnet]

by who?

theres like 3 people here that disagree with you

[vital forge]

@shell sonnet is three more than one?

[honest willow]

imo, RPG is getting picked bc it's a MUST have. An instant 140 dmg, or close to it is pretty good. There are lots of other good gadgets that are just not as good as RPG. Anti grav nade, all of the mines, barricade, nades,

[vital forge]

It's only a must have because everything else is shit how do you not see the big picture here?

[honest willow]

Bc i dont think every other gadget is shit lol...

[vital forge]

Oh really, there you go thinking again.

[chrome bobcat]

Absolutely clueless

[shell sonnet]

so we should break the game by buffing every single other gagdets to the extreme so rpg has some competition
got it

[honest willow]

why is explosive mine shit to you

[vital forge]

It's passive

[chrome bobcat]

Instakill mediums

[honest willow]

why is barricade shit? im curious

[vital forge]

They took away head glitch

[honest willow]

huhh passive so you have to do less work and it can kill ppl?

[chrome bobcat]

Btw the throwing distance of mines needs to be halved... I've seen one too many people using mines like fucking sticky grenades

[vital forge]

Arguing with a bunch of bots that can't even think for themselves,lol

[honest willow]

u can still headglitch if u angle your barricade on something, and it's still instant cover and movement blocking.. you can literally block doors and it can't be instantly shot down like goo

[vital forge]

lol my work here is done

[honest willow]

C4 is also good. 1-2 free steal blocks

[chrome bobcat]

C4 is reskinned breach charge

[honest willow]

bro did 0 work and left

[vital forge]

Lies

[honest willow]

you just said mines are passive

[chrome bobcat]

By your logic the dagger is absolutely broken since it does 340 damage

[silk steeple]

Does the thermal bore hit people or js buildings

[honest willow]

thats not bad? if anything you can get free blocks without having to actively do something.. which is pretty good

[chrome bobcat]

Just buildings but the burn hits players too

[vital forge]

Breach charge> c4 wait for it..... wait for it ....because of cry babies!

[honest willow]

320 i think

[vital forge]

By anybody's Logic the dagger is broken

[honest willow]

? c4 has a larger explosion radius, much better for breaking down the cashout, landing dmg, and opening up ice pick spots

[chrome bobcat]

Thanks for proving me right and that you know nothing about balance

More damage = more broken (doesnt matter how the damage is accomplished)

[vital forge]

You support front stab I see

[chrome bobcat]

You say front stab I say watch your back

Dagger is an absolute meme of a weapon

[honest willow]

its pretty okay in the first two rounds imo, bad if you know how to play it, which most ppl dont. but final round ppl expect it

[vital forge]

It is reserved for skilled players but in the right hands it is beyond broken

[chrome bobcat]

"you need high skill!1!1!2" no even the most skilled of players just use real guns like the XP or rarely the m11

[honest willow]

well yeah, its not good if you compare it to other weapons, but its not like a garbage weapon like the 93r

anyone would pick xp over dagger tho fs

[chrome bobcat]

It's garbage if you need to be an absolute god to be "not as bad as the 93r"

[honest willow]

nah its not garbage, its like the RPG and the other heavy gadget example RPG140dmg<Frag is using. It just not gonna get picked over other L weapons bc the other L weapons are better

not as good doesn't equal garbage

[chrome bobcat]

Ofc it every other weapon is as trash tier as the dagger people are gonna use it

Dagger is a troll pick

[honest willow]

my point is that it's not unusable, its just not as good as the meta L picks

[burnt canyon]

@vale obsidian haha I respect the name concept 😆

[honest willow]

and its not "garbage". 93r is just ridiculously soft damage

[burnt canyon]

At least it would make the new spear skin make more sense

[chrome bobcat]

Dagger is only good for getting clips on braindead players

[vale obsidian]

uh thx?
i guess?

[honest willow]

yeah we disagree there lol. you still seem to think it's garbage, but it's more than usable. Again, just not at the tier or xp, sword, or M11

[burnt canyon]

Period

[chrome bobcat]

Good players will make the dagger unusable. You can counter a guy sneaking behind you but you cannot counter bullets

[honest willow]

Really good dagger players won't care xD

[shell sonnet]

dont they say that about light as a whole?

[chrome bobcat]

Yes

[burnt canyon]

Really good players kinda make anything usable, which is different than viable

[honest willow]

the whole point of dagger is not being seen and getting away if you get shot at..

[chrome bobcat]

Good players will always see you that's the whole fucking point of being good. Knowing your counters and using it against you effectively

[vale obsidian]

foot step bearly exsit so you atleast got that going for yall dagger mains

[chrome bobcat]

Yes dagger is usable (on bad players) but not viable at all

[honest willow]

Good players are also gonna be good at not being seen? Knowing your counters and using it against you effectively applies to dagger too..

[shell sonnet]

👆

[burnt canyon]

The sole thing that makes dagger usable is the fact dash 180 on high sense can still kill a player without actually ending up behind them visibly

[chrome bobcat]

Good players don't use the dagger

[honest willow]

You're going in circles lol. I already told you thats true, bc the XP and other picks are better.

[chrome bobcat]

Yea they need to buff the m1 asap

[chrome bobcat]

K lololol

[vale obsidian]

i saw someone do a 360 dash stap then contiue walking like its nothing speciall
actually bad ass

[burnt canyon]

Yeah pro daggers are crazy, but good swords are actually annoying

[chrome bobcat]

"pro daggers" mfs looking at my m2 spoon:

[vale obsidian]

light dash really counter low sens player now that i think about it

[honest willow]

same idea with controllers

[vale obsidian]

bout to say lol

[chrome bobcat]

He went under you and got your back. Known trickstab in tf2

[burnt canyon]

Only if the low sense player is within 3m of the opponent

[chrome bobcat]

The people who forget history are bound to repeat it's mistakes

[vital forge]

Under & 6 ft in front

[vale obsidian]

(me dashing forward once) well hello there

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-gif-5677380953331354485

[burnt canyon]

leaves game

[chrome bobcat]

(tazer) nuh uh

[vale obsidian]

btw can we talk about taser?
the light always have it up before they reingage its nut

can't even out schoove his aim to save my life anymore xd

[chrome bobcat]

Yea tazer is hard counter to meele

[burnt canyon]

Only issue I have with taser is the visible screen shake when ads, mad annoying

[chrome bobcat]

Mfw the shitty iron sights of my weapons don't even show where my bullets are goin:

[vale obsidian]

:)

[burnt canyon]

Bro I've been shooting shots that have no hit reg with sparks on opponents all day on RTA, irons unironically aren't even an issue rn

[vale obsidian]

i never havethat happen to me or atleast i didn't notis it
but i do get alot of theses

[burnt canyon]

Hell yeah, that's all I get now. Never had that in s1 or first half of s2

[vital forge]

The only problem with Taser now is the forgiving hitbox. Shots that should miss taze your ass

[burnt canyon]

Same with winch

[chrome bobcat]

You obviously haven't played PowerShift. Sometimes the server will literally become unplayable as in nobody can move and if they do they will shortly be teleported to the exact same position they were in before moving

[burnt canyon]

Ive never had that issue on PS, usually dropping double digits but there are always those moments

[vale obsidian]

found it! this is a season 2 clips

[chrome bobcat]

I sure hope merciless Marcel gives the finals new servers

[burnt canyon]

Clearly it's a knives problem lmao

[chrome bobcat]

Literally this but way worse

[burnt canyon]

Def still a knives problem (give them a reload mechanic)

[chrome bobcat]

Holy shit Jesse I think we're in r/thefinals

[burnt canyon]

Nah r/finals is literally people saying buff heavy or remove core mechanics

The REAL players understand heal beam is a problem and that throwing knives are still in a crazy spot

[shell sonnet]

make heal beam heal until overheat on activation
then recharge as normal

give it some downtime, dont let them waste it on chip damage

[burnt canyon]

Or, make it so heals can only happen if you are out of combat for like .5 seconds or something

[shell sonnet]

would need to be way longer

and the more you give it, the less useful it becomes

[burnt canyon]

As long as it's not this current brute force playstyle

[vale obsidian]

hear me out

heal beam is now in the weapon slot

[burnt canyon]

Maybe in that update they'll give us one man army pro

[shell sonnet]

slightly lower healing but infinite
then its fine by me

medic tf2, powerful healing but jack sh#t self defence

[mystic nimbus]

are those icons on all the time

or when there is an event

[vale obsidian]

funniliy enough... yes

[burnt canyon]

Gas gauge and tabs open notiff are on regularly

[mystic nimbus]

bro i think it's smth related to your internet at this point since i don't get them as much, i only get the server icon

[vale obsidian]

sever are only red when heavys going ham

i play with like 300 ping for fun

im in asia and play in eu sever

[chrome bobcat]

I don't see that many throwing knives anymore if at all. Most lights just go sniper/xp/m11

[burnt canyon]

I see knives regularly in wt

[chrome bobcat]

I mostly see MMM in WT

[vale obsidian]

triple defib my belove

[chrome bobcat]

The true no skill comp

[burnt canyon]

Lmao ye, at least we finally got the revive bullet block removed

Now if only winch didn't grab reviving players

[chrome bobcat]

Yea what did it take? Nearly 2 full seasons?

[dry pumice]

Flamethrower nerf when

[burnt canyon]

Basically

[chrome bobcat]

When it doesn't take 5 minutes to Kill a light

Tho I wouldn't mind nerfing the after burn

[burnt canyon]

Also why does goo barrels deploy at weird angles now? Can we go back to s1 barrels not randomly shooting directions or not even going off when thrown

[dry pumice]

Exactly that’s what’s annoying

Always dying even after winning the 1v1

[chrome bobcat]

That's kind of the point of the weapon. Slow direct damage but long dot

[mystic nimbus]

that's the reason then

[burnt canyon]

I've watched teammates take less than 30 after burn, but if I get hit a second I'm taking 60 min every time as a light

Might actually be a ping issue?

[chrome bobcat]

Don't you know? Afterburn has random crits

[burnt canyon]

Actually or trolling?

[chrome bobcat]

Who knows man

[dry pumice]

just took 70 dmg

[burnt canyon]

The amount of cheese I've seen in this game, I wouldn't doubt

[chrome bobcat]

It probably has a super obscure mechanic like how close you are to the flamethrower impacts the damage of afterburn or how long the heavy has been shooting the flamethrower for determines the length of afterburn

[burnt canyon]

For a competitive game I'd sure love for mechanics like that to be mentioned in a file (if they exist)

[chrome bobcat]

competitive game
Crosshairs don't actually show where you're shooting so you've got to guess

Yea seams about right

[burnt canyon]

Considering a few other comp games have mechanics like "backpacking" where the shots come from the center of the screen and not cross hairs, I'm not a stranger to it

But man it would be nice to know how players be hitting half a clip of ar or XP when they are midair with a jump pad, my shit flies everywhere like I'm at the Bronx zoo

[chrome bobcat]

Probably use crosshair overlay

[burnt canyon]

That's weird cuz flying gives severe accuracy penalty does it not?

[shadow onyx]

yeah the new goo barrels work so wierd. I used to use them all of the time to climb stuff or block enemies

[burnt canyon]

I believe most of the time it hits a corner similar to how if you highlight an area with a demat it shows the weird jagged patterns and maybe it hits the corners? But still it's cringe ASF when it used to work so well