💣┇weapons-gadgets

[idle reef]

Every combo that flame has has a better combo though, whether that be winch claw + spear/sledge/shotgun, goo sledge, or pretty much any gun and C&S

[regal raven]

Very true. Yes playing it was a pretty much guarantee 1 - 1 and i was consistently getting a 2- 1 ratio just because of afterburn. This was from intentionally aggro plays and being less calculating as i just wanted to test the durability of the weapon / build [wench claw, barricade, goo, flash or frag] ] And the close range aoe is great for teams that stick close together as it damages all them . It was an easy team wipe to ambush 3 lights, which did happen occasionally. Typically in a close alley or just getting behind them. Monaco , vegas stood out in particular. The counter to gas and goo is what made the build almost viable as a team build. With that i sometimes would switch out barricade with motion sensor when playing with an actual team as that info sometimes was helpful to counter third partying plus would usually team up with another Heavy who already had barricade.

[exotic skiff]

Gas is never a problem on a team because of the heal beam

[regal raven]

On another note flamethrower duels are goofy af to watch sometimes.

[idle reef]

Not in our current ranked mode though! Flamethrower provides a nice alternative to pyro nade if you can't find a canister in a good amount of time, considering flamethrower isn't a 1 charge thing

[exotic skiff]

in the current ranked you don't play heavy that simple

And if you do you need SAS12

[idle reef]

you dont "need" a certain gun. Ever. This game is built around creativity

I'm agreeing that flamethrower isn't good, however it isn't awful. Just very outclassed

[exotic skiff]

there is gun who are way better than the rest

[small flicker]

as someone who plays heavy somewhat often, sledgehammer and flamethrower are my top two weapons

[regal raven]

There ya go

[small flicker]

i dont play ranked tho

[regal raven]

Only the LH1

[exotic skiff]

no xp is better overall rn

[fleet brook]

Hotter take shooting mines shouldn't set them off for a either side

[regal raven]

Hm interesting.

[plush goblet]

Am i wrong for disliking light builds with quick dash only when i am in a fit of rage after a vr scrimmage and just want to winch claw hammer combo people

[midnight vessel]

Nerf glitch mines

Can’t use any gadget or ability in a 20 meter radius

[regal raven]

Heavily disagree with that. The LH1 is easy af to melt away . Rate of fire is great plus the distance is better than xp.
Xp is an excellent weapon no doubt , but the recent LH1 buffs are ridiculous. Its like a long distance rifle shotgun . It can easily knock down from almost a 1/3 across the map 80+ meters it still hits hard.

[exotic skiff]

xp have a better ttk and is more reliable close/mid range

You can do 100 1v1 lh1 vs xp, xp will win 90% of the time

lh1 is a strong weapons on some lobby/situation but overall xp is better

Play a bit of ranked against good player and you will understand

[pallid pulsar]

Just shoot it or melee it

[midnight vessel]

Can’t when Im running sword and their whole team is on the point

[pallid pulsar]

Fair enough

You still have grenades though

[hardy dust]

Lh1 is better vs M or H but xp is better against other L imo

If you can hit shots Lh1 is much better

Headshots for the 2x multi

Overall Lh1 is better cuz of lower ttk and better range

Xp is only better in a 1v1 cuz its easier to hit shots against another Light, but if both can hit their shots lh1 wins

[silver lynx]

Hot take:M11 smacks. The dps is crazy

[hardy dust]

M11 has rly good dmg but not enough range

Depends alot on playstyle

[silver lynx]

When paired with invis or dash, getting in close and doing a ton of damage can be both effective and fun

[idle reef]

plus it has some 🔥 skins

[ornate schooner]

Bro, I just tried out the V9S for the first time since the start of season 2 and it absolutely shreds people

[hardy dust]

It has very similar dmg to m11

Better than xp

[ornate schooner]

Only as long as u hit ur shots

But yeah, I agree

[regal raven]

M11 is fantastic. I play it on my main Light build. Its just so satisfying

[sacred cypress]

EMBARK Allow heavy players to throw their spears. But not unlimited like the throwing knives. Instead when u throw it once u have to wait for it to come back to ur hand kinda like Thors hammer. It's literally a SPEAR. And having to wait for it to come back even to engage in close range battle prevents it from being overpowered but viable longer distances. Maybe allow players to aim and throw it through by toggling on and off the aiming mode. WE NEED THIS IN THE FINALS.

[edgy horizon]

Can we get a pancake skin for the explosive mine..? Anyone who remembers Knoxs corner animations knows wassup.

[shy estuary]

I was trying to complete the quest to get 15 elims or assists with launchers so I bought the mgl32 cause I didnt normally play heavy and I was hoping it would play like the demo man from tf2, but its nades dont explode on contact and for some reason it wont progress the quest at all, is there a way to refund equipment and am I getting something wrong about launchers?

[dreamy hare]

next time check weapon on shooting range before buying it and be dissapointing
ps: mgl32 greate weapon

[shy estuary]

lol I forgot about the shooting range

[harsh parrot]

winch slaw OP

[lapis canopy]

dont forget the frustration factor cause lh1 seems way harder to melt someone then xp or the other fast shooting weapon

i kinda want to complain about xp and m11 as it feel horrible to play against ppl who use them like, they melt every class whitin 2sec and take only 1.7sec to reload a huge mag that can shoot 3sec in total (im not sure about the real time of all that its just gessing)

so like if you buy a little bit of time whit any ability (dash graplin or invis) well it just feel too oppressif whit no window to kill them

and that something i face as every class so maybe i am just bad but im pretty sure im an average player

its not impossible but its not pleasurable to play against either

[hardy dust]

If you can hit shots lh1 shreds faster and its pretty noticeable

Also smgs are mainly tough to deal with if you get ambushed or taken by surprise, which is how light should play. In a 1v1 situation they usually lose to M or H

[lapis canopy]

yes but you know its not as easy as it is whit the xp or m11 that my point

[lapis canopy]

well yeah but even in front confrontation they stll win in most situation whit it surprise or not

[hardy dust]

Yeah, smgs are easier to use but have a smaller payoff

[hardy dust]

In 1v1 they normally lose

[lapis canopy]

i havent seen a lot of smg guys lose against most weapon so yeah but if your aim is meh and your still rolling ppl that a probleme

[hardy dust]

That's just cuz they have better aim

[lapis canopy]

im just a hater of smg i gess

[hardy dust]

You can check the dmg numbers and stuff if you want

[lapis canopy]

i mean number wont change my point of view iv experience it in game i try to play smg like 5 time in a row last week had like 20kill feel like no one was really able to play against and after something like 70h of sword and dagger it was just feeling disgustingly easy

again maybe im just a really bad player playing whit really bad player idk

[chrome totem]

i have a problem with the "get 15 eliminations or assists with launchers or shotguns" its not showing any progress although i've been doing it for two days.
Do i need a specific weapon or something?

[lapis canopy]

nah its just not working for now

dw a lot of ppl already talk about it im sure they are working on it

[chrome totem]

oh ok thanks

[vale obsidian]

make track dart shoot throw glass

[fading crater]

We need rome skin for riot shield making it shield + gladius

[slate void]

If u attack while deflecting with dual blades it should throw one of them like a spear

[tight ingot]

Shot glass would be a cool tk skin

[plain wasp]

My guitar hammer inspect should loop better

[muted orbit]

WHY IS CLOAKING IN THE GAME STILL?

EMBARK fucking your own game, First Person Melee Simulator

make it a FPS, gun game so good to be wasted with all this bullshit melee and too much shields, abilities

Cloaking lol

[trail wave]

Tbh i see cloacks a lot when they try to run at me head first while invisible though thats probably because i played planetisde 2

though i can agree theres quite a few Areas where they do become basically fully invisible while running

[lapis canopy]

i was like this at the start too but after playing it a bit u will see that if ur a bit focus u will either ear them or see them anyway

[trail wave]

though what 100% needs to be changed/reworked in the throwing knifes if im not playing light its hard not to get hit by them when somebody just dashes into you and throws them at you point blank for like 1/3rd your hp per hit

[muted orbit]

even if i see them, on console AA doesnt slow down on them while cloak. so with a SEMI AUTO gun it sucks to play against

[exotic skiff]

If you hit one bullet they doesnt have it anymore

Aim better hit one Time and that it

[small flicker]

this would be awesome

[sharp lynx]

Lol i love how the solution is always to ain better 🤣

[fringe radish]

dual swords ftw\

[rotund vault]

Best weapon

[lapis canopy]

well that how u become better at any game XD

[rotund vault]

I like the bow they added, it's fun to play with

[sharp lynx]

Ikr 🤣 hoes be like this gun op! Buff this! Nerf that! Guys this is one of the most balanced games I’ve ever played

[visual vector]

1st round with sh1900, quick cash, I got 10 kills and we won, freaking amazing weapon, love it so much

[plain wasp]

That's a skill issue

[lapis canopy]

the only thing im complaning inst something is too strong but rather something is too frustrating for me and idk how to play against it

[plain wasp]

This is pretty much the only game where melee is actually usable

[sharp lynx]

For example?

[plain wasp]

Probably turrets

[visual vector]

2nd match, also 10 kills, also win, I'm in love

[plain wasp]

Use the sledgehammer instead it's cooler

[visual vector]

On light, yeah that'd be fun tbh

[plain wasp]

The sledgehammer is kinda the same size as a light

I don't know if you'd be able to even carry it

[fringe radish]

is the bow difficult to use? is it one shot kill?

[vale musk]

Only for L headshot

[fringe radish]

oh ok

[vale musk]

Its snappy and fun to use

[fringe radish]

its only for light build right?

[vale musk]

Yes

[fringe radish]

i never play light but ill give it a shot just to try the bow out

[visual vector]

U can try it for free in practice range btw

[fringe radish]

oh yeah good point

[smoky jackal]

defib reviv making an invisible wall is some broken sheet

[lapis canopy]

Smg i struggle fighting against it and i find it hard to attack (i think thats mainly the case cause im a melee player)

[halcyon urchin]

Finding the bow really hit or miss, I;ll go into one game and do fairly decently with it and then the next really bad, sometimes god awful to the point i switch weapons, (casual modes)
I'm finding its a really high risk/reward type of weapon,

Though I think its the perfect weapon to add some mini games into the game for, Like "skeet shooter"

I love shooting the canisters with the bow to change the map play up

[vague path]

Fcar needs a buff

[woeful charm]

what are good weapons to use for light?

im on throwing knives rn, and theyre fine but it feels like whenever anything shoots towards my way, i die. I'd like an advantage sometimes LMAO

[wise hinge]

they realy need to buff SA and KS23 specialy at close range ..... the dmg are not deadly the range is super bad the fire rate is low and the spread is super bad aswell .... make dis weapon super bad in every case ....

[restive plover]

Weapon choice will not change this, light does not win head on fights.

[restive plover]

Sa12 is still an amazing gun.

[sinful dagger]

generally knives out ttk other weapons so really this guy needs to get better

[restive plover]

They kill notably slower than the smgs, which already don't win ttk trades.

[fleet brook]

Flank

[jaunty moth]

LEWİS GUN or SA1216???

[unique veldt]

Why the hell is it so hard to hit shots with the KS-23

Its near damn impossible

[charred lintel]

I seem to have the worst teams in the entire game every single game how is this possible? They always have at least person that's like a pro on their team xd

[jaunty moth]

That's why I'm looking for a playmate 🙂

[charred lintel]

8 losses in a row, top stats nearly on everything every game it's impossible. I just need a few wins that's all I want lmao

Just realised I'm not even typing in main chat.. oops

[polar cove]

Sledge or spear? Which is better?

[limpid moat]

got max lvl on the fire granate, feels nice

[torn mantle]

Is FCAR still valid or is AKM just better in every way?

[limpid moat]

shotgun is the best ngl

[fleet brook]

Depends on goal

[exotic hare]

Personally I find the sledge much more satisfying to use. The spear doesn't have that insane impact that the sledge does idk

But yeah all personal preference, play around with them and have fun

[restive plover]

Slow projectile + noticable bullet dispersion even during "ads."

[unique veldt]

It is still a good weapon though right?

[restive plover]

No.

[fleet brook]

Ha no

[hardy dust]

One of heavy's worst

[sly estuary]

sledge is so much better the hitreg on the spear secondary attack is just obscene rn

[sly estuary]

cuz its a projectile weapon 💀

[coral rampart]

spear is my fav, with the claw it's 100x better

[tame aspen]

If you use flamethrower I hope you stub your toe

[coral rampart]

nuh uh

[crystal garnet]

People who say the KS23 isn't a good weapon are playing it really poorly. It pairs nicely with the winch. If you can learn how to aim it, you can easily 2 tap lights. Its great for bursting a lot of dmg on enemies, similar to the bow. Plus, its ability to destroy the environment makes it versatile. with the sorry state that the M60 and Lewis are in, its a decent choice.

[clever geode]

me playing spy in tf2 means i can hit trickstabs with the knife

its such a spoinky weapon

[loud merlin]

not my fault i suck at aiming 😔

[clever geode]

You should use knife

[regal raven]

I play it and i find its fire + reload rates a bit grueling. I was just thinking about this today, since there was earlier mentions of it... and specifically people seemed to think it was sub par to other Heavy weapons... i almost have to agree. However i was also thinking what would make it a tad more competitively "balanced".
I came up with a simple solution. Literally just two more rounds. 8 total, and thats i think all it would really need to feel well placed comparatively.

[alpine rapids]

Whats everyones opinion on the riot shield?

[regal raven]

Love it. I just think the shield needs to have complete cover because its too easy to get poked down just standing there.

[clever geode]

knife is better

[polar cove]

I think this guy likes the knife

[regal raven]

Have quite a few thoughts about the ks 23 .

It seems they reduced the combat viability because of the structural damage perk. However I truly believe it is way underpowered comparatively to other close range weapons. Just played the quad shot for the second time and wow i can see the underwhelming elements apparent with the ks now. It seems no matter what it needs to be supplemented with whatever special (like the winch) to even secure a kill. And if you miss even one then youre already half out of ammo. The slow reload times - individual slugs - really just feels clumsy when attempting to hold team fighting ground. Its too slow to be effective against multiple opponents.
I think it needs just two more rounds to be viable since after breaking a wall (which takes 4 currently) you would at least be left with enough to take down a Heavy.
I also think the structural damage is underpowered given the presence of sledgehammer, rpg, and red can, it just seems almost trivial generally , once again due to the slow fire rate countering the theoretical mobility / positioning of it.
Two more rounds, and a faster reload time , just enough to be able to spam individual slugs as the fire rate is already so slow , it would just bring it up to par.

Thoughts?

Also saying this as someone who enjoys the weapon immensely yet just feel im hindered with the current state of it.
Another thought to add to that is i think it needs more range. Popping people at even closer mid range exchanges has a lot of fall off. It would be great to have the 100 last for just like another 20m .

[tight ingot]

Knife go burrrrrr. But like 10 percent of the time

[fickle radish]

Def

[quartz frost]

oneiwon is a heavy outplayed and killed by a light

[clever geode]

All of this would be fixed with the knife

I want to change the name to the knife enjoyer but I don’t have the perms to

Well we enjoy it

And I like it because there’s a knife

[clever geode]

I make the knife work

Should I create a knife enjoyer server

ok

[regal raven]

Why are you even in here then. Makes you look like the goofball

[dreamy hare]

i got i7 and 3070 laptop and dont have any problems. no lags or crashes

[restive plover]

Damn, glazing has some crazy benefits then.

Maybe you should start.

[dreamy hare]

guy came to discord, to give everyone portion of toxity lmao

we play and you cant...

[clever geode]

done the server

if anyone wants to join ask me. I cant send it here

i dont play ranked, because i like knifes

cool shit

this server would be better if i had a knife emoji

ok, ill send you an invite

[spice wing]

do you know, anything? about optimizing a game? or computer science in general lmao

[clever geode]

yall should join the knife server

[restive plover]

nerf sword buff dagger

[spice wing]

relax relax it was just a question just keep working on your music career haha

glad you cleared your head

[clever geode]

knife buff

[royal pier]

They did not need to give Stun Gun the spec disable back. It already has almost as much range as the winch claw, lasts for 3 seconds, slows you to a crawl, and stops cashout steals.

Just because it was mega-busted before didn't make it weak post nerf.

[clever geode]

Playing with the knife rn

[vale obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009830578545246213/1256588525693042770/My_reaction.gif

[clever geode]

Knife over everything

[dreamy hare]

maybe stop spamming?

[clever geode]

I’m in weapons tho

What’s wrong with promoting a underated weapon

[dreamy hare]

u spamming, we understand that knife is greate weapon....

[static bison]

Hey devs have yall considered making the spears right click the ability to throw it? I think the right click was a cool idea but just doesnt work with the game.

[halcyon urchin]

^ that would be cool

[clever geode]

😦

[smoky jackal]

i mean, we get it. but dont need to spam it, brotha

[clever geode]

You guys are no fun

[craggy dune]

is there a way to make this game run at native res\

[halcyon urchin]

The Thermal Bore confuses me with it's range

[smoky jackal]

the flamer making black smoke that makes it so u cant see outlines is fun

[wise briar]

Can dual blades block hook?

[smoky jackal]

motion senor should have a time limit. no classes sonar should be indefinite

[dreamy hare]

nope

[wise briar]

Damn. This weapon is so awesome!

[lapis canopy]

btw there is already a melee enthusiasts server discord if u want

[clever geode]

Where is it

Please dm me it

[dreamy hare]

omg you so....

[wise briar]

3 people dont seem to like it.

[dreamy hare]

u so funny))

[wise briar]

Haha sure

[cosmic oasis]

Hello all

[tight ingot]

how toxic is it to run turret, glitch, explosive, and gas mine.

[worthy salmon]

For your team incredibly. For the enemies not at all

[iron mauve]

I run both mines on terminal attack and its OP as fuck

You can get so many free kills putting your mines in smart spots

One time I even won a round after my whole team had died 0v2 bc of my gas mines and turret

[tight ingot]

i dropped a 20 bomb with this masterpiece of a loadout

those guys were bots tho

[midnight vessel]

Yo can we get a In the finals or nah?

[fleet brook]

I love playing heavy melee into 6 stun guns

[midnight vessel]

I love when I play ta and get the loading screen bug and have to quit the game and join back

[sand monolith]

reinstalling the game fixed this for me. might be a cache issue

[midnight vessel]

Im on console

[sand monolith]

still could work

[midnight vessel]

Idk if that will help

[orchid cloak]

gg

[vague path]

Best gadget is defib

[restive summit]

Can we please Nerf it so after you kill the rest of their team it won’t continue to rez their teammate🫥

[restive plover]

i kinda like that tho, makes it intense so since youre the last person if someones shooting you better find to res them before you die lol. its saved me in several situation, and ive seen the same happen against me too

[obsidian nexus]

winch claw unreactable?

[hardy dust]

You can react to it but it's very hard depending on the situation

[fleet brook]

Run evasive dash

I'm trying to level it and I was running my Melee heavy and you notice evasive dash alot more

[hardy dust]

Evasive dash is your best option against winch

[autumn dirge]

How does the katanna block even work?

Does it deflect back a percentage of the bullets?

[restive plover]

It should deflect all bullets that hit for 100% damage back to the enemy and negate 50% for you, but often doesn't because of net code.

[sand monolith]

<@&1012034066876473384>

also, TA sucks

[sly estuary]

yes.

[autumn dirge]

Can it reflect everything? Can rpgs and red canisters

[restive plover]

No.

[formal crown]

if the one being defibbed is alone, they are an easy kill, no?

[formal crown]

Riot shield is like the medium's melee AK: very reliable. It has impressive damage, good active defense, and useful passive defense.

[formal crown]

The problem is that the spear is a primary weapon. If you run out of spear, then what are you going to hold? gadgets? what if they run out? are you going to fist fight? you chose a melee weapon because you fight in melee range, not gun range.

[livid bear]

how to get good with model 1887 shotgun

[formal crown]

imo don't play super close range cause the pellet spread is pretty tight

[dreamy hare]

For fun took light on powershift with throwing daggers, absolutely cancer weapon, you dont need to aim, just spam left click and make kills, same with m11, just come closer and hipfire, that kills everyone in seconds, what a cancer class....

[dreamy hare]

Leave him, he spam it few weeks and dont understand simple things, you are right

[formal crown]

imo it would have been better if instead of aoe for spear m2, a longer, slower, and more powerful forward piercing thrust would be used. Not as powerful as sledgehammer but much longer range and the multi-hit effect

[dreamy hare]

nah i like how it made, also i like how it throw platform on power shift

[sand monolith]

Yes, light is very good in casual modes where the average player isn’t very good. Not really in high ranked cashout games though

[oak meadow]

Suction bomb like a black hole

[dreamy hare]

there is no high ranked cashout dude

[sand monolith]

Yes, for the season there is not. But after season 3 there will be

[fleet brook]

You don't always have to ads

[livid bear]

what situations do i have to ads and what situations do i not ads

[fleet brook]

If there closer you don't need to ads

Also aim center mass

[livid bear]

okie doke

[fleet brook]

Oh yeah and remember the kickback so make every shot count and when you're in the soft reset try to move around

[livid bear]

👍

thank you sir/ma’am

[eager wasp]

get good at flicks (if ur on pc (ur not i just looked nevermind then))

[loud merlin]

Don't
Use sledgehammer
Go unga bunga

[crisp pewter]

Hey, someone else noticed that the katana in the battle pass is not the same as in the promotional image

[restive plover]

You never have to ads, the spread never changes.

[sleek jewel]

model has perfect hip fire, never ads. crosshair is customizable, making it bigger will likely help, mess around with it, you can change its color as well

[livid bear]

okie dokie

[sleek jewel]

also the reload when your empty can be shot very quickly, get used to shooting at max fire rate with an empty mag

gl, model is fun 🙂

[jaunty moth]

Gentlemen, gas bomb or explosive mine?

[sick dirge]

Explosive mine

[fresh quarry]

Add a balisong + karambit skin for the dagger in the shop I would insta cop

[eager wasp]

sue for false advertising

[brittle yoke]

chat what is a snuke

[eager wasp]

one of those long scaly creatures

[restive plover]

An ancient relic.

[brittle yoke]

tell me more

[restive plover]

You could stack mines/c4/breach charges on red canisters and instagib anybody if you threw it at them, allowing one man team wipes with the press of two buttons. Technically still possible to make and use, but a number of changes regarding explosive damage stacking and arm time has made them both far less powerful and completely impractical.

[brittle yoke]

yeah a nuke i played s1 :3 i thought a snuke was some other thing i didnt know ab

[dreamy hare]

still sometimes grabbing gas canister and drop on it explosive mine

[keen island]

snuke is a super nuke :)

[brittle yoke]

ty bestie

[keen island]

#⚡┇the-finals-chat message heres a super nuke lol

[brittle yoke]

thats terrifying lmao

[crisp pewter]

....

[oak glen]

i keep getting a bug on gateway where I throw it but It doesn't spawn anything

[agile willow]

model is one of the only guns where it is pretty much more effective to hipfire than ads, even at range

[worldly sky]

Buffed throwing knives

[jaunty moth]

Thanks

[sick dirge]

Snuke is a nuke without c4. So explosive mines or any kind of mine

[worldly sky]

Wrong. Snuke is a nuke with bunch of explosives, multiple C4s, Breach charges, different kinda mines etc

Basically it has to be a lot of explosives attached to an object

[sick dirge]

Thought it was a mini nuke

So it’s just big Bertha of nukes

[worldly sky]

There's no mini nuke tbh

[worldly sky]

Haha yeah you're right XD

[sick dirge]

I never messed with nukes when they were peak

[exotic skiff]

Nuke should have never stay that long and was never healthy for the game

[worldly sky]

They just made a bunch of barrels stack with explosives and I found a bugged version that I used to kill 3 cheaters lmao

Problem was, how will you launch that....

[sick dirge]

lol all i remember is yelling at my teammates “THEY GOT A NUKE” and we all scattered

[worldly sky]

So we found out that certain angles of a pad actually works and we started using that as long range artillery XD

[sick dirge]

You can probably make it work in low gravity

[worldly sky]

Nope didn't work

Barrel physics doesn't change in low grav when weight modifier is applied, atleast when we tested

Another way was to use an angled pad and send a light flying over the area where the enemies are, and launch it like a bomb XD

Throwing knives buff be like

[jaunty moth]

It's definitely true

[idle reef]

Enemy AC130 above!

[worldly sky]

Lol yeah

Just don't get bonked a random meteor

[earnest aspen]

Wouldnt it be cool if they added stuff similar to ultimates in the game? Or would that be too op?

[fickle radish]

Op

Also more chaos and hard stuff to balance. The game atm needs simple stuff, no more random shit

[valid nimbus]

That'd what specs basically are; A lot of things are tweaked from other games and made into its own version for The Finals. QC/Tourney reminds me a lot of a mode or two from the BF series. But, yeah, specs are basically ultimates for the classes—just not with the same approach as other games do to ultimate-esque abilities.

[fleet brook]

Helps aim at long range with the zoom

[sacred cypress]

Yes, that's why u wait for it to come so it's not broken like the throwing knives. Until then it could deal melee damage with the same melee damage as guns. It opens up so many possibilities because it could potentially even deal damage to structure on its way back. Not having a weapon for a brief of time isn't mind blowing considering it comes back. Plus it's a Spears, spears are thrown too.

[formal crown]

What if they just add kuasarigamas to the game? Long range, can be thrown, has 2 business ends, and fits in with the Japan vibes

[cloud anchor]

A drone specialization in place of Recon Senses sounds cool. The Medium throws it off into the distance, and it flies straight ahead. It would act similar to the Sonar Grenade, briefly pinging enemies in its vicinity as it flies forward and also as it returns back to you; the two pings would last for around 2-3 seconds each.

[fleet brook]

Because depending on who has it

Light with a long range melee cancer

Medium (it's fine)

Heavy would have to swing the chain and already has 2 Melee options and what special role would it fill

[cosmic heart]

They should add a chainsaw to heavy

[fleet brook]

It'd be funny if they got a bubba license and made a heavy bubba skin

[mellow musk]

👍

[burnt shuttle]

The newest OSPUZE product has been released! Check fan works for our new creation: Os-Freeze! 🍦

[mellow musk]

use that for freeze ray

osp freeze ray that can put out fires damage people and slow people

[burnt shuttle]

Sure, if you want to use it as a grenade... 😂

Just smuggle a few cones onto the arena and your set

[mellow musk]

ok

I will than its just better smoke grenade

[burnt shuttle]

But eat some too. That is what it's intended for... 😂

[mellow musk]

no

[burnt shuttle]

Alr then. Everyone seems intent on chucking it into other faces, so be my guest!

[mellow musk]

what flavors are there

[burnt shuttle]

Currently, we just have the original OS-FREEZE, but we'll have more soon... 🤫

[mellow musk]

oh I was hoping for choclate to neutralize conspira kitten and the dog

OS-FREEZE should be a smoke grenade skin

[burnt shuttle]

Honestly I just want a OSPUZE grenade skin in general. Check out https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1257707091854884926 for more OSPUZE creations!

[mellow musk]

that would be amazing

OSPUZE gateway skin would be epic

[earnest aspen]

Shouldnt gun modifications be added to the game? Feel like it would be much more attractive to different types of players

[earnest aspen]

Yeah ig your right, but it would be cool if there were more damage based specs then, like a gun or some sort of grenade

[hybrid hearth]

S2's extra page OSPUZE grenade wasn't enough?

[river tinsel]

Hear me out. Cat ak https://www.tnktok.com/t/ZPREHekwx/

[rancid haven]

What is best light build??

[eager wasp]

Evasive dash, sword, grenade, sonar, vanish bomb

[earnest aspen]

Depends on your playstyle, if you like melee-based combat, then go for the build stated above, but if you like for example close-range combat but dont feel like using melee weapons, go for the double barrel, invis cloak, vanish bomb, stun gun, sonar

I’d also say the stun gun should be a staple in every build you do, but thats my opinion

[rancid haven]

Ty

I will try em out

[vague monolith]

Oops all grenades can be a fun light build too

[mellow musk]

V9S should have a water gun 🔫 skin

[lean flax]

I find it kind of strange that medium was stripped of all recon abilities, like I get the recon senses were too strong, but why take away the tracking dart gun and sonar grenade? My suggestion would be to give the tracking dart gun back to Medium so that every class has a recon gadget.

[mellow musk]

True

[elder marlin]

nah

[haughty hearth]

now that medium has a melee whens light getting a grenade launcher

[exotic skiff]

Nah best light build rn use XP or lh1, cloack thermal vision(if other light against you or go for gateway if no) stun Glitch

If you play TA swap the Glitch for sonar

[royal goblet]

im upset at the fact that we got 2 melee weapons this season. im ok with the spear but duel sword? srsly lets get some weapons in here, this is THE FINALS after all we can mix guns together with it being a vr arena shooter. so im not saying that these specific weapons should be mixed but i defently would like to see... an uzi (maybe as skin for xp), mp90, chukavin sniper for medium or heavy specifically. 50 cal pistol for heavy, an energy weapon? (so like the AE4 from advanced warfare) saiga 12 or a spas 12 ps. can you plz give heavy a 2nd charge for c4 again

[hazy spoke]

Why the f do defib respawns block bullets

[sand monolith]

We don’t really need any more regular guns. Not many niches that need to be filled

[royal goblet]

you need to elaborate more concidering i recommend a skin for the xp neither heavy or medium have a semi auto sniper which it really only makes sense for the medium to have one as well heavy doesnt have a pistol and there are no auto shoty for medium along with no energy weapons or even skins as these

[sand monolith]

Medium doesn’t really need a sniper at all. The famas fits the long range niche well and snipers are just generally disliked. Heavy shouldn’t have access to long range. An auto shotgun isn’t really a niche it’s just another close range weapon on medium. A large, slow pistol on heavy would function very similarly to the KS. But yes energy weapons would be cool because you could actual put interesting mechanics on them like an overheat or something

[royal goblet]

who said you couldnt have the pistol hold 6 shots and every 3 shot are heavy or not heavy at all? its just a pistol that does 25-30 dmg as for uzi i should reinstate it as the skin of m11 medium only has 2 close ranged weapons and so auto shoty should be a thought as for energy weapon i would love to see a skin where i have to put batteries in

[ripe fiber]

Is there any reliable way to beat sword lights when playing sledge? (Except Winch Claw)

[rancid haven]

Fr

[eager wasp]

charge and slam, slegehammer right click (just time it well)

erm, mine

Uh that’s all I got

[wooden steeple]

The Browning Automatic Rifle is so cool and at least in my eyes would fit perfectly into the finals and would make the Lewis seem less out of place

[alpine ledge]

Man stop telling mfs how to play light😂ts annoying everybody use the same shi

[jagged vigil]

anyone wanna rank

revolver bestgun

[fleet brook]

Most sword lights run evade

[wanton radish]

besides the rpg or explosive mine to zone and bully the hell out of them you can just get good at the matchup. Its not like its impossible to win a 1v1 with any melee weapon against melee another melee opponent

[ripe fiber]

true, but I find the sword light matchup specialy harsh

[carmine pollen]

Goo was buffed for s3 so that lights cannot dash out of them. More situationally/gimmicky, play around a glitch trap or winch and box them in with a barricade

[pine grail]

Did they buff the shotty on heavy again

[wary adder]

witch 1

heavy is just a bad class with shotgun

[carmine pollen]

buffed by proxy because winch exists, but no numbers changes for a while

[pine grail]

Me?

[radiant vapor]

its definitely one of the hardest match-ups for sledge (without winchclaw) i like to drop down a floor by destroying the floor below me if the light drops down you get a good opportunity to hit them with the secondary attack

oh and forget goo gun to fight lights they will just walk out of it use RPG instead.
Goo gun works much better against heavy

[narrow plaza]

Elephant gun for the medium ;)

[narrow plaza]

I was about to suggest winch with Barricade, winch them in and put a 'cade behind them before using the power attack, otherwise the goo gun works to annoy the ever living fck out of your opponents by direct impacting them with the projectile

[sacred cypress]

EMBARK Allow heavy players to throw their spears. But not unlimited like the throwing knives. Instead when u throw it once u have to wait for it to come back to ur hand kinda like Thors hammer. It's literally a SPEAR. And having to wait for it to come back even to engage in close range battle prevents it from being overpowered but viable longer distances. Maybe allow players to aim and throw it through by toggling on and off the aiming mode. WE NEED THIS IN THE FINALS.

[dreamy hare]

embark delete throwing daggers from game, allow to light players hit with simple dagger and on middle mouse button throw it...
embark allow mediums players to throw their dual blades
embark allow light palyers to throw swords
embark allow heavy players to throw hammer

[vale obsidian]

hear me out, light can sit on heavy shoulder and heavy can throw light
GAME GUD

[hardy dust]

If you have charge, you can use it when they lunge towards you to kill them. If you have goo gun you can trap them and kill them. But if you don't have those options or any tools around you (glitch barrels, goo barrels etc...) you wanna try to bait dashes as much as possible. It's a really hard matchup without gadgets/specs.

[exotic skiff]

Wdym best heavy guns rn IS the SAS12

[wicked sluice]

Gas grenade skin idea: a bunch of flowers which burst into a cloud of pollen

Inspect idea for skin:smell the flowers

[mellow musk]

That would be epic

[wary adder]

But heavy is slow and shotguns are a fundamentally close range weapon

[exotic skiff]

But still strongest weapons for them rn, and in cashout heavy is the best class

[mellow musk]

Charge and slam or shield or use for power swift

[exotic skiff]

HHM is the strongest comp

[mellow musk]

Or winch

[wary adder]

Why like give more details

[mellow musk]

Maybe you think heavy with shotguns is bad cause you are bad

[exotic skiff]

Insane ttk compare to other even mid range is ok, and anyway heavy are just launched into people you dont rlly need the range and play round it

[wicked sluice]

Dome sheild skin idea: Globe ball

[wary adder]

O I get it winch + shotgun = good

[mellow musk]

Inspect for that could be spinning the globe

[wicked sluice]

Yea

[exotic skiff]

Mesh shield and charge and good as well

But rn you can play SAS12 or Lewis Both are very good weapons

[wary adder]

Well mesh and lmg is my preference

[exotic skiff]

You still can play them but I was just saying that SAS12 is very strong rn because of lewis nerf

[wary adder]

But I'm just a veteran medium main , I remember when recon was good

[dreamy hare]

mgl32 best weapon for heavy

[wary adder]

What are you yapping about

Like it's ok on push

But kinda bad

[dreamy hare]

nah, u just bad with it, thats all

[wary adder]

What do you do just shoot at the opponents feet

[exotic skiff]

Mgl is a terrible weapons

[dreamy hare]

or wall, or celling

[exotic skiff]

Stop copium

[dreamy hare]

copium? wtf is that

[fickle radish]

Random word that people with 2 digit IQ spams around pretending to have an argument

Like skill issue and stuff like that

[wicked sluice]

Throwing knives skin idea: flip-flops

[wary adder]

Medium is kind of a weak class it doesn't have anything special

[fickle radish]

Plus tom and jerry mother skin

[dreamy hare]

only cj with jetpack is greate class

jetpack and akimbo tec-9

[wary adder]

I like medium but it's not as good

[fickle radish]

Medium is the best class lol, good mobility, good utility, good dmg. It's not the top on any side but is the most consistent one

[dreamy hare]

i think medium is most balanced class in game

[wary adder]

So can you help with a build

[dreamy hare]

what ur play style?

[exotic skiff]

If you talk about cashout heavy is, In TA that light

[fickle radish]

Heal, akm/fcar/shotgun + jumpad + defib + whatever you want (gas nade, glitch mine, frag and goo are all viable)

[wary adder]

Zip , jump pad , granade fcar demat

[wicked sluice]

They need medium because it is the middle class which everythimg else is based on

Its a key part of the balancinh

[wary adder]

I was saying that medium isn't spicy they took sonar

[wicked sluice]

What

[wary adder]

And recon

[wicked sluice]

Oh from the beta

[wary adder]

General wall hacks

[exotic skiff]

Recon was broken with recon and had not place into the game tbh

[wary adder]

Like one update before S2 it got nerfed to death

[wicked sluice]

Sonar suits light better though but I think they should have given recon a nerf and given it to light also

[fickle radish]

And that nerf wasn't enough

[mellow musk]

What is recon

[wary adder]

Medium Doesn't have special stuff

[wary adder]

Wall hacks

[atomic sand]

thats what a medium stands for

[wicked sluice]

It has the two only healing items in the game

[mellow musk]

True

[wary adder]

Yea

But that's detect support

[wicked sluice]

And also movement support [jump pad and zipline]

[atomic sand]

what do you think of giveing the middle some sort of a Sting that heals him up like in cod ?

Would be crazy

[wary adder]

Unnecessary just buff healing to heal yourself

[mellow musk]

IMO medium is good for support

[restive plover]

That's kind of the point.

[atomic sand]

nah that would give better chances against double heavy combos spaming rockets on you

[wary adder]

But I like playing more aggressively and stupidly

[wicked sluice]

Taser skin idea: a bola

[restive plover]

The solution to this is a nerf to the rpg's combat effectiveness, which was needed since day one.

[wary adder]

Do you mean e coli

[wicked sluice]

No a bola

[wary adder]

What is that

[mellow musk]

What’s a bola

[atomic sand]

yea but i think it would give the middle more posibility to play agressive thats also a point

[wicked sluice]

Its like a couple of rocks on ropes which wrap around someones legs or arms to trap them

[mellow musk]

That would be cool

[wicked sluice]

Its like one of the most important early game items in ark survival

[wary adder]

Shield and stick skin idea : Roman theme knife (to kill Cesar) and legionary shield

[wicked sluice]

Item idea for light: a stim like octane from apex legends

[mellow musk]

There is a skin concept for that in fan works already

[wicked sluice]

C4/breach charge skin idea: plastic explosive ( has soft body physics upon contact with a surface )

[wary adder]

Where can I find it

Medium would work well with a sniper

[wicked sluice]

I dont think a sniper would work but something like the lh1 would be good

[atomic sand]

plese not more of that stuff. LH1 is the most disrespectfull unballanced thing against lights and heavys.

[wicked sluice]

The lh1 is used by lights

But i thought they fixed it and throwing knives

[atomic sand]

yes but if a other team uses it and im also playing light i get ripped and cant do anything with my uzi oder other weapon

[exotic skiff]

xp is better than lh1 in 1v1

[radiant vapor]

that would be a funny event xD

[autumn dune]

How come gateway just decides to stop working mid game sometimes? Happening quite often at the moment…

[midnight vessel]

Tbh yeah

[crude leaf]

Probably cuz you're throwing it in an area with closed space or sometimes off the map

[hazy night]

I’ve noticed that too

[dense bluff]

What would be the best light loadout for WT?

[eager wasp]

Evasive dash, sword, grenade, sonar, vanish bomb

[hazy night]

Pretty solid

I personally think grenade is overrated, but I’m still pretty new

[dense bluff]

i like the grenades when i'm pushing a cashout, throw 2 through a window at the box and you're golden 🙏 🤣

[dense bluff]

that's basically what i've been running expect i use the xp-40 and i don't have vanish bombs yet but imma get it next

[midnight oak]

I just want a new meta

Im tired of running the akm every game

[eager wasp]

So don’t, run dual blades instead

[tame aspen]

Why is it an actual strategy to have 3+ snipers in ta

[fickle radish]

It's an actual strategy to have 5 lights on TA

[restive plover]

Ta sucks.

[fleet brook]

HP not recovering mostly

[modest valve]

Add dual pistols for the medium class

[fickle radish]

Like killing floor 2 would be cool af

[vivid stratus]

another medium gun with a sight

[fickle radish]

So(?)

[modest valve]

You know how in titanfall 2 as a pilot you can run on walls and double jump? What if that was an ability for the light class?

[midnight vessel]

Can we get a bubble blower gun skin for the lewis gun

[lethal wyvern]

yo

[deep hawk]

Throwing knifes needs a nerf now!

[midnight vessel]

A lot of things need a nerf 💀😭

[plain wasp]

I'm loving the balance changes in these recent updates (there were none)

[autumn dune]

That’s not even the case, it will suddenly stop, and then It’s then perma broken the remainder of the game, such a frustrating thing to deal with was more seeing if anyone else has witnessed it lol

[crude leaf]

Got a clip of it?

[tame aspen]

Never said I liked ta

[bleak herald]

why did embark not make a custom inspect for the xp54 like shown in the video 😭😭
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKjfvcVXT_w&ab_channel=THEFINALS
0:06
*never mind they did, i just bought it, but it is very glitched out

[tame aspen]

And it shouldn’t be

[midnight vessel]

Yo for funny purposes can we get a flame thrower skin that looks a
Like a fire extinguisher

[broken estuary]

anyone else get a bug where they couldnt use their gadget the whole match

[eager wasp]

erm, only specializations and specificallyl the heal beam

the others i can usually fix with a quick death and revive (gadgets)

[soft ether]

Hey just for a laugh could we fix the CL-40 damage registration bug? That would be genuinely hilarious ahahahaha

[restive plover]

what is the best heavy build for cashbox?

[grizzled notch]

Remove throwing knives from the game

[languid raft]

What is the best light build

[exotic skiff]

Depend if that for cashout or TA

For cashout : XP/LH1 Cloack - Tazer Gateway Glitch

[midnight vessel]

Ks needs a headshot multipler

[exotic skiff]

For TA : XP/Lh1 Cloack - Gateway Sonar Thermal

[midnight vessel]

For ta sniper is better than lh1 50% of the time

[exotic skiff]

Not rlly LH1 is more reliable

If you want to carry it's better overall, you can play close/mid/long range

[midnight vessel]

Sniper has a better damage out if u can hit ur shots at any range

[midnight vessel]

Im awful with lh1 but good with sniper

[exotic skiff]

Not rlly lh1 got better dmg output but not the same range

[midnight vessel]

Mb sniper has a faster ttk

Cause it can 1 shot lights and 2 shot mediums and heavies

[exotic skiff]

It relly on HS

You will never perma HS people

[midnight vessel]

?

Ks really needs a buff or at the very least it needs to get a headshot multiplier

Only shotty in the game without one and with how slow it shoots it needs one

[warm lion]

No shotty in the game has a headshot multiplier

[midnight vessel]

Really?

[warm lion]

Yes

[midnight vessel]

I swear db did

[warm lion]

It didn't

[midnight vessel]

Really?

[warm lion]

It's been the case since betas

[midnight vessel]

Oh

[warm lion]

Bro clearly does not go to the practice range

[midnight vessel]

I literally went to the practice range ten minutes ago

I only used ks tho

[warm lion]

Regularly
With other weapons

[midnight vessel]

Most weapons do more damage on heashots

Excluding melees

[woeful sparrow]

yeah every shotgun has no headshot multiplier so hitting the most pellets as possible (or slug) is key

[obsidian spindle]

Prop hunt spec for light? Could be thrown by teammates.

[sly estuary]

Cloack 💀

[ornate schooner]

How do we feel about the new XP-54 skin that released in the store today cus I think it’s really good

[spark igloo]

the only real finals tierlist

[sinful dagger]

Id put revolver lower, mgl one tier higher since it can be good. Lewis down to b due to how awful it feels now. Throwing knives should be a win condition

[ornate schooner]

I also feel like AKM should be higher in A class or even lower S

[ornate schooner]

Agreed

[spark igloo]

famas at best performance is better than akm iirc, all the medium ars are also overshadowed by the light weapons and the heavy lmgs

[ornate schooner]

Yeah

[spark igloo]

revolver shits out damage in an insanely good player's hands, lewis still preforms really well with a good player, tk is annoying but no better than lh1 or xp.

For mgl the same argument can be made with the other d weapons but it's pretty easily countered if you know how to fight it

[ornate schooner]

The 93R needs to be lower

[spark igloo]

wait true

[dim onyx]

i love going light dash double shotty when a light main thinks their good for going invis m11 stun aids combo lmaoo

[sly estuary]

One of the more accurate ones I've seen although id put c4 in high b at best. Akm is for sure s tier and Lewis is high b tier if m60 is a tier. Heal beam is win condition lol

And famas is high c tier

Glitch trap is win condition

[jagged rover]

Why do melee weapons get blocked by dome shield?

[sinful dagger]

sniper grapple and throwing knives players piss me off to an insane extent

[lavish geode]

no way famas is so underrated and glitch trap is good but definitely not a win condition lol

[atomic yacht]

100% agree with goo. As a med main since beta ak(now main)/fcar + double movement pad + zip id say make zip EASILY S tier over jump pad. Esp coupled with demat to get crazy angles and rotations. AK easily over shotgun though. If u know someone’s using shotgun and good - def start at a bit more range before getting up close to him. + 36 rounds you can wipe a squad so easy (esp if at a beautiful timed third party) without reloading

[sly estuary]

glitch trap completely stops steal attempts by disabling dome, mesh, heals, etc. it messes up the team's coordination and lets them pick u off one by one
famas is kinda low skill imo its only really good for tickling opponents at far ranges like on the rooftops of skyway stadium and monaco etc.
its not viable at all compared to akm and fcar at close to medium range

[lavish geode]

isn’t the same thing basically applied to the glitch grenade for light then? there’s also glitch barrels so although it’s useful I think there’s too many alternate options to rly make it a win condition. yeah the akm beats it in some areas, i fhink famas is good enougb to not be c tier imo

[sly estuary]

@lavish geode have u seen ottrs tier list

[lavish geode]

oh no

[sly estuary]

famas can be a decent support weapon

idt its as good as revolver tho tbh

i'd put grapple in c not d

[lavish geode]

yeah definitely it has p good potential just give it 2 and higher the cooldown

[sly estuary]

yeah fs

it'd be cool if you could hold q to stay hanging for a few seconds

would make it more viable and get some cool clips

[lavish geode]

ong that’d be sick

[sly estuary]

wouldve been cool for this season's trailer

vanish bomb hiding under an awning with grapple drawing a bow

yeah as a heavy main i'd say that lewis is high b and m60 is high a

m60 + charge is crazy i still get 5 kdr with it (dome and barricades)

[lavish geode]

sa1216 and winch claw is also insane

[spark igloo]

c4 is still meta on heavy, ak and famas are pretty much on par, lewis is still really good if used by someone with good recoil control, healbeam doesnt do damage and neither does glitch trap

[spark igloo]

goo + pad = better zipline and realistically there is no reason to never run goo sooo........

model shits out damage that ak simply cannot and pushing distance is relatively easy in a lot of situations

[fleet brook]

I want my second charge back with nerfed damage but buffed arena destruction

[sly estuary]

I agree c4 is still good when used well but it definitely ain't s tier at best bottom of a tier. Lewis isnt that great when m60 exists and has absolutely zero recoil

[languid raft]

Looking for a self sufficient and high fragging build

[sly estuary]

U just pull down and to the right a bit for 1 second

[sly estuary]

💀 get better aim, but play m60 charge and slam it's not that hard after the m60 recoil change

[spark igloo]

m60 has horrible damage at range and if u look at any leaderboard grinder's loadout from last season you will see 1 heavy running c4

[languid raft]

My aim is good, but 3v1s are hard to win

[sly estuary]

yeah it aint a sniper 💀 it excels in mid to close range battles which is 90% of the time anyway

the damage falloff doesnt mean shit when u can delete a whole team with one mag in < 10 seconds

[sly estuary]

bro c4 is so shit compared to season 1 it used to be meta then + nukes it was s+ tier now it has only one charge. they also nerfed the damage so its a lot more niche. its still viable but most heavies dont use it

dome and rpg are musts and barricade provides more value

[spark igloo]

again, look at any leaderboard grinder's loadout from s2 and you will see a mesh sa heavy with c4

[sly estuary]

where do u see that lol

[spark igloo]

stream vods, youtube videos

[sly estuary]

give me an example

the only guy i know that uses c4 is lycommit

[spark igloo]

pretty much every stream in s2 I checked that had 2 heavies had one on c4

[sly estuary]

dude

share a link to a video

[spark igloo]

whether it be lycom, balise, gigz

here's a balise stream

maybe not gigz actually he played the charge lewis barricade loadout

[restive plover]

What is the best heavy build?

[sly estuary]

charge and slam m60 dome rpg and barricades

not to hard to learn and as an fps noob i can get 5 kdr with it so

[ornate schooner]

Yo, what do u guys think about the new XP 54 skin, cus personally I think it’s fire

[little loom]

Why does heavy feel like shit to play now

[ornate schooner]

Cus if all the nerfs to it

[polar cove]

It's fun for casual, but light I'd meta for ranked now

[little loom]

They ruined my baby m60

The thing shoots marshmallows now

[polar cove]

My guy just hit ur shots the thing has 70 bullets-

I've actually been having the most fun with heavy using sledge and winch tho, kind of a cheese load out but it's fun to pull people close and bash their heads in

[little loom]

I like the winch but the cooldown after hitting someone is hella long

[polar cove]

Try bubbling after if ur getting shot at so you have a chance to regen and cooldown

[little loom]

I have better luck with the goo gun

Winch claw is too gimicky

[tawdry crescent]

Is the new ORF backpack playable?

[restive plover]

I was playing the Shains Lewis Rocket Dome/Mines C4

[restive plover]

• you didn’t nerf LH1 enough

• revert m60 to S2 when it finally became fun to use

• nerf rpg damage and charge and slams potential immediate damage upon activation.

• a Lewis gun nerf was needed, but the s3 nerf was way too harsh.

• medium blades need a better lunge range.

• This game is not made for TA, and it is a horrible ranked experience.

• buff the 93R already

[restive plover]

?

[restive plover]

?

[restive plover]

Why Do u send that?

[atomic sand]

?

[vale obsidian]

?

[atomic sand]

[naive flume]

i miss the old cl-40 dont like the new cl-40

[dreamy hare]

so go and take mgl32, its beast

[naive flume]

it may be good, but im ass lol, i get thrown off because it doesnt blow up on impact

[dreamy hare]

naaah u need few hours to completly understand how it works, and if u got visualization in your head of how the projectile will fly, its will be more easy

[naive flume]

is it similar to the cl-40 trajectory wise

havent used it since OB

[dreamy hare]

im so love how pill fly to the wall and bouce on enemy, i even dont look at him when he shoots me, or on power shift shooting on cellings and after its falls on enemies

[naive flume]

that does sound like it would come in handy a lot, ill give it a shot when im out of this TA match so i can learn it

[vale obsidian]

bro i remember fighting a gl heavy and he shoot the ceiling, funniest shit i've ever seen lmao
the legend kill me in that duel too

too bad i forgot to clip it lol

[exotic skiff]

Cloak is way better than dash Ur on crack

[vale obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-ruling-mistake-gif-25583830

[exotic skiff]

[dusky flame]

Is sledge or spear better

[atomic sand]

the sledge

speer is for noobs and even they have problems

But use it with the shield ability then you can also push the enemys straight ahaed ant punsh them

[smoky jackal]

mines should go away after death, stop free value bs. no wonder people leave the game in droves

[lavish geode]

nah this would render mines on cashout more useless than they are now, js kill the enemy team before stealing and it’s free

[smoky jackal]

called positioning problems, boy. dont die before your mines go off by playing like you are him. simple. they give too much free value while playing like idiots

[dreamy hare]

called skill issue to die from mine, when enemy team wipeout

[smoky jackal]

ill remember that when im getting third partied and die to a mine from the team we wiped 🤡

[dreamy hare]

you need to be in focus everytime

[smoky jackal]

thanks, bruce lee

failed embed lmao

2x

[hazy spoke]

nerf tk

oneshot light with tk when only one knife hits head is mad

[vale obsidian]

interesting pfp

[hazy spoke]

😜

[lavish geode]

mines are like so easy to dodge anyways they basically aren’t worth it except for glitch trap imo so this change would basically make mines unusable lmao

[smoky jackal]

good

[polar cove]

Best loadouts for dagger?

[ornate schooner]

Dash, vanishing bomb, thermal, stun

In whatever order u want. I personally never play dagger bcs I hate it but that is my best guess of what to use

[polar cove]

Thermal yeah? I never got used to it

[polar cove]

I've only played it once but I want a more well rounded skill set

[ornate schooner]

Probably a good idea

[ornate schooner]

Maybe instead u use like glitch nade or something

[polar cove]

I haven't tried stun since its buff, I'll try it today

[sly estuary]

go here #👂┇game-feedback

[wind radish]

will the cl-40 weapon consider as explosive for the contract

[eager wasp]

Should

[small flicker]

explosives? yes
grenade damage? no

[wind radish]

K thanks for telling

[main niche]

Throwing knives are still broken,Just went up against 4 throwing knive users never alt f4d so quick

[main cove]

Please embark give 93R( burst pistol) new skins that are unique/cool. I enjoy the weapon.

[lunar idol]

nerf fucking throwing knives already

shit is cancerous

[sacred vine]

add a pistol for heavy thats like a deagle

[shell sonnet]

Smoke and thermal work decently
If you think someone is coming smoke it up
If someone is capping pop the thermal and go for a stab

[leaden moss]

Pistol ftw

[tardy sable]

What weapon automatically makes you a chad?

[lunar idol]

post nerf cl40

[eager wasp]

dual blades

[haughty grove]

What gadgets and specialization should I pair with the 93R

[static lotus]

someone uses that weapon??? sorry i haven't a clue.

[haughty grove]

I just got it and have been having fun with it so far

[eager wasp]

ask ezra

@gusty horizon whats good with the 93r

[loud merlin]

red canister

but in all seriousness 1887 is crazy good if you're good w it

[thorny wolf]

Potted Plants

[empty pilot]

Stun gun, evasive dash or cloaking device, it depends on how you play, vanishing bomb with the dash or glitch grenade with cloaking device, and finally the fire grenade, these things are good with pretty much everything

[restive plover]

Invis+shotty=free win

[vapid peak]

why have we yet to get a butterfly knife skin for the dagger ugh

[restive plover]

they're busy looking for another excuse to nerf it

[vapid peak]

lol

[ornate schooner]

Don’t play 93R

[haughty grove]

Why

[ornate schooner]

It’s BAD, bad dps, bad range, and when u win a gunfight every once and a while, u become the reason someone commits suicide

[hardy dust]

Most busted gun in the game its so op

[ornate schooner]

Plus light doesn’t have enough health to get into a gunfight when they are using a burst fire weapon cus of the time In between bursts that u take damage

[ornate schooner]

That’s cap and u know it

[hardy dust]

Tee hee

[ornate schooner]

Don’t mess with people saying that the 93R is a good gun, ur part of the reason the world is as messed up as it is rn

[hardy dust]

I think they should nerf it AGAIN because they saw it was too strong and nerfed it on s3 release

[neat bobcat]

I see guys 2 shooting lights with the revolver but I leave the 2hp, one headshot leaves them 2 hp as well

[sinful dagger]

Don't let that guy stop you. He just doesn't want another person using such an OP weapon. It stomps in ranked and is new meta

[sacred cypress]

Allow heavy players to throw their spears. But not unlimited like the throwing knives. Instead when u throw it once u have to wait for it to come back to ur hand kinda like Thors hammer. It's literally a SPEAR. And having to wait for it to come back even to engage in close range battle prevents it from being overpowered but viable longer distances. Maybe allow players to aim and throw it through by toggling on and off the aiming mode.

2. Give more button optimisation for controller players for example triggering something or being able to choose an item with the double tap or triple of a button or swipe on the middle pad of a controller.

3. More character slots

[obsidian spear]

A wing suit for light would be really cool

[earnest aspen]

You mean like to glide?

It would be cool if there were more damage-dealing specs- like for example a machine gun for heavy that lasts for a short period of time and has infinite ammo

[obsidian spear]

Yeah

[restive plover]

Whats the heavy meta?

[earnest aspen]

I mean that would be a cool idea, and would be amazing for rotation

[vast knot]

I’ve been playing this game since December 2023. I’ve only now just found out you can actually rotate the turret when placing it for the medium class….

[loud merlin]

yo i vouch for this hard

im not even a dagger user

[vapid peak]

ikr

[long pollen]

I want to know who decide that the RPG deals until 252 damage for the user

[polar cove]

There is a butterfly knife looking skin in the skin list for dagger, not part of any bundle and has the same turquoise green of the dusk dweller set (if I'm thinking of the right one) I'll try to get a screenshot l8r

[wary hazel]

Its not hard to find it bruh

[vapid peak]

nah that doesnt work, its not a butterfly knife, that just a reagular flip blade

[hard flicker]

I think a hacking ability or gadget would be cool for the light or medium for next season, idk how it’d be balanced tho

Ohh I meant like hacking equipment, or u could’ve meant don’t give it to medium bc they already have deconstructing thing

Mb

[obsidian nexus]

Listen, a marksman rifle, for medium

thanks for coming to my Ted Talk

[rough carbon]

Like a hijack sort of ability? I'd like that. Take ownership of a bunch of mines or a turret

[hard flicker]

Yea ig I coulda explain better

[rough carbon]

it should be like a grenade or something, a hijack grenade

if it was an easy spammable specialization it might be too good

[wicked sluice]

I was wondering how often embark take suggestions from this channel because ive made a few suggestions and was wondering likely it is that they get used?

[junior pilot]

What’s everyone’s opinion of the most useless gadget in the game

[hard flicker]

Smoke grenades

[junior pilot]

So true. The ONLY use I can see is pairing smokes with thermal vision but it’s buggy and takes away two spots when other light gadgets are s tier

[boreal laurel]

Probably smoke grenades, but data reshaper, tracking dart, and APS turret (post-nerf) are all too situational to be useful IMO

[junior pilot]

I love having APS but light and medium run into the same problem, where 3 other gadgets are just way more useful to have over niche ones

Like having an aps is nice but not as important as others

[hard flicker]

What was the stuff you could unlock with recon sense? I never got them:(

[earnest aspen]

Motion sensor, if it acted more as a camera it would be much better, but its really easy to track down

[hard flicker]

Can the motion sensor be countered just by staying still? Bc I never tested that

[chilly solstice]

What are y’all opinions on the best gadget in the game

[earnest aspen]

100% Frag grenade, very versatile, can destroy structures, and has high damage

[lavish geode]

a camera would be a sick gadget, prolly for medium would be best

[fleet brook]

It would have to be limited or it'd be hard meta

It'd also have to be a specialization

Or else you run into the brava problem in seige when she first dropped

[rough carbon]

smokes are pretty good for emergency revives and maybe bolstering a minefield

and if you're a melee light it's easy pickings in a nice smokescreen, they gotta buff it by giving it a wider area or an extended duration

[rough carbon]

turn enemy mines against enemies, also football skin is the best

[earnest aspen]

If you pair it with thermal vision it can also be handy

[rough carbon]

but yeah smokes are pretty weak in comparison to everything else, you can kill people with the tracking dart

[wise briar]

Dual wielding glock for M

[arctic geyser]

[steel moat]

How Can i level up my gadgets faster?

[arctic geyser]

play more

[hardy dust]

Imo weakest is probably motion sensor and strongest is rpg/defib

Smokes are pretty bad too, especially with how long the cooldown is for how little you get. Also there are just smoke barrels all around the map

[fleet brook]

Which gadget

Also stop using them strategically if you just wanna level

[steel moat]

gateway,stun.vanish bomb

[fleet brook]

Stun is the only one you need to hit to level

Stop using the other 2 strategically and just send um out

[steel moat]

okay

[wise briar]

What do you do when your character gets bugged from hook? You cant press E. You cant climb and you cant right click and your movement is fucked.

[small flicker]

finka from siege

[rancid haven]

Wait chat, is the double katana s good?

[eager wasp]

yes

[rancid haven]

Best build with katans

[eager wasp]

i personally run Heal beam, dual blades, grenade, glitch mine, defib

[idle reef]

glitch mine 🔥

[rancid haven]

Ty

[ancient yoke]

anyone got any aiming tips for pc? tryna get better

[rough carbon]

Yes give us octane stims

[celest silo]

dont run 2 high of a sense and just aim at people

[restive plover]

Invisible nade is king

[ornate schooner]

Get aimbot

[rancid haven]

Fr

[rancid haven]

🤒

[half hazel]

bro im crashing every round of this game

please fix your servers for new pcs or whatever the issue is im bout over it as well as thousands other

[ornate schooner]

Is it broken?

[tropic hearth]

I don't like feeling obligated to run heal beam as medium

it's so much more useful than the other two to the team that if I'm not running it I feel like I"m throwing, the way that the defibrutlator used to be back in Season 1

just making it so that it's possible for the other two classes to do some healing would free up some of that requirement from Medium

[crude leaf]

I have a copy and paste of my version of a Light healing item (technically not my version, I just really want to see more Battlefield gadgets)

[lone vector]

Ever since they removed multi-hit from the sledgehammer heavy attack I have had numerous occasions where direct hits from the heavy attack do not register (might I remind you that the glitch occurred with patch 2.8 which was the patch to fix hit validation) I feel as if removing multi-hit has removed what fixed sledgehammer in the first place, I never had this problem before multi-hits removal

[regal raven]

Saw this happen on my teammate earlier

[zealous bay]

What's the current meta for light build?

[arctic geyser]

bomba

[crude leaf]

Grapple hook/93R/Flashbang/Tracking Dart/Thermal Bore

[silk bobcat]

No the cloak or evasive dash

And xp54 Lh1 or M11

[tropic hearth]

throwing knives + dash if you can actually track and lead shots

dash + one of the SMGs if you can't aim very well

but honestly all of Light's weapons are viable right now, but some of them are easier than others

[hardy dust]

Lh1 is strongest light weapon if you hit headshots

Otherwise xp-54

Tk arent as strong as smgs

[wise briar]

I want a shogun styled turret skin for M that shoots arrows ( but same damage and projectile velocity obviously )

[wise briar]

Dear embark, please dont listen to this Apex Legend octane main. This is so cringe

[arctic fog]

Why nerf sledge multi hit ;(

[sacred cypress]

EMBARK Allow heavy players to throw their spears. But not unlimited like the throwing knives. Instead when u throw it once u have to wait for it to come back to ur hand kinda like Thors hammer. It's literally a SPEAR. And having to wait for it to come back even to engage in close range battle prevents it from being overpowered but viable longer distances. Maybe allow players to aim and throw it through by toggling on and off the aiming mode. WE NEED THIS IN THE FINALS.

[regal raven]

Hey the revolver needs to have a more precise stat chart. It has Terrible accuracy.

Been learning it and point blanks were not hitting sometimes. So i started testing it and both ads and hip fire ( at varying ranges ) would NOT hit the same point.
Has anyone else noticed this ?

Playing with it I thought I was missing some crosshair / ads calibration, however it is without a doubt inconsistent.

Its a awesome gun however i cannot rely on its accuracy. This needs to be reflected on the stat chart as the acc meter is significantly higher than the actual gameplay shows.

[loud merlin]

its pretty good regardless of headshots ngl

[trail wave]

Love the healing totem on the heavy but I don't know how I feel about giving light healing nades when they allready regen health faster

Though if the healing nades it got didn't effect the self's I whouldnt mind as much

[potent ledge]

Day 1 off asking for surströmming skinn for gass grenade

[astral mantle]

@hardy dust nah the sniper is much more broken

[earnest niche]

I like this idea except for the delayed damage

[tropic hearth]

yeah giving Light the capacity to self heal on the go is pretty strong

I'd give it a lengthy cooldown and/or make it so that it heals ALL players so you can't panic throw it at your feet without risking healing the enemy as well

like at least a 30s cooldown
I guess the cooldown should depend on the amount it would heal

[ancient yoke]

LOL

[heavy pier]

does anyone know what weapons are considered "marksman rifles" and "handguns"?

[reef sage]

Lh1 and sniper rifle are marksman's, revolver, v9s and r93(?) are handguns

[jolly star]

wtf is happening to mines? When a heavy with a flamethrower chases me an i put a mine - it blows up from fire before getting loaded and hits me, but not the heavy

[fleet brook]

Mines blowup off damage but have a prep time if that helps

Basically you can't panic throw mines like grenade's because if they get shot in the air it'll do what you're describing

Most people/ guns can't shoot mines out of the air tho so they usually have enough time to land and arm to damage the enemy

[spiral pilot]

i never played apex lol

[mental igloo]

Can we get a buff for the Granade Launcher?

[spiral pilot]

they are good enough

[mental igloo]

I completely disagree. Even when I get the first shot on another medium and proceed to hit body shots they always outdamage me. This should not happen SPECIALLY if I hit body shots

they should either increase spalsh damage, or body shot damage or add 1 more ammo

4 granades is ridiculous

[fleet brook]

Nah grenade launchers are some of the worst weapons on their respective classes

[mental igloo]

yes, Heavy granade launcher is a joke, nobody plays it and the same for Medium after the nerf

only the same weapons are played

[spiral pilot]

for me they work pretty well both, the heavy and the medium. making them better will lead to a probably horrible meta game where everything is just exploding left and right

[fleet brook]

They're not bad just worst in slot

[mental igloo]

were they meta pre nerf? no, so that arguments doesnt really make sense

[jolly star]

3 seconds, yeah, but anyway it's strange that they cause damage to me, but not the enemy

[mental igloo]

I still see the same guns now and back then it was the same

[fleet brook]

Yeah it's kinda weird but I think it's to punish random throwing out stuff

[fleet brook]

Yeah I'm just saying the launchers are bad on there respective classes

[jolly star]

(Or devs don't wanna fix this😅)

[mental igloo]

exactly, thats why they need the nerfs reversed

[woven harness]

AK op

[fleet brook]

People complain about what they think are no skill weapons

I remember people raging about the fact that explosives don't require you to directly click on the opponent (very stupidly)

[woven harness]

What best weapon ?

[rose niche]

machine pistol buff wehen

like a smalllll one

[woven harness]

What about melee ?

[fleet brook]

What class are you playing

[sinful dagger]

93R for melee it would be dagger

[lean flax]

I find it kind of strange that medium was stripped of all recon abilities, like I get the recon senses were too strong, but why take away the tracking dart gun and sonar grenade? My suggestion would be to give the tracking dart gun back to Medium so that every class has a recon gadget.

[obsidian shard]

what is best meta light loadout for ranked TA and world tour ? (include gadget, gun, special) please 🙂

[short inlet]

I think flashbang should not flash teamates..

[boreal laurel]

The CL-40 was pretty insane after they first buffed it at the end of S1. It was kind of a mini GL meta there for about a week

[boreal laurel]

Wow… 🤣

[restive plover]

Dash is the best specialization, and lh1 is the best gun by far if you have even semi consistent headshots. Xp-54 is a close second. Both glitch grenade and gateway are extremely strong, but unlike med and heavy you can experiment more with your gadget lineup.

[obsidian shard]

ah okay thank you, seems what im using currently is quite different 😅 im using cloak special with m11, then i use sonar grenade, then other 2 gadgets depending on on the mode

[fleet brook]

It does in every other game

Makes strategy in using them

[sinful dagger]

🤫

[buoyant lintel]

How do you gain XP fast on your gadgets and weapons

[unreal topaz]

Imagine if someone changed the texture on April fools for instead of flashbang showing white or black it just show grey

[short inlet]

Right. Fits so well in this game.

[restive plover]

everyone here is hot and sexy

[mental igloo]

oh wow, a week

[boreal laurel]

Yeah 😅 but it was still a solid pick right up to the mega-nerf at the beginning of S3

[mental igloo]

yeah thats what I'm saying, the gun was good, it did not need any nerfs, now its bad, not terrible but it's one of the worst weapons in the game
not worse than that heavy shotgun (not the auto one)
anyway, like I said, still think that if they just gave the gun a single more ammo then the launcher would be viable

[boreal laurel]

I’d rather have the damage nerf reverted myself instead of an extra round in the mag, but at this point I’d take ANY buff for my poor former main gun

(Although, in the meantime, I have been having a lot of fun with riot shield, dual blades, and 1887)

[willow oyster]

nerf gun skins tho

[tidal seal]

Everyone I present the best idea for a new heavy weapon. The dual wield chain knifes the general Kai uses from kung-fu panda. High precision with slow throw/ pull back rate the m2 would be a complicated sweep that moves the blades forward and then pulls straight back

[fringe current]

exponentially, so at first the skins are easy to get, but it gets slower with each

[abstract depot]

will autocheat kick me if i set my fire button to scroll wheel?

[restive plover]

Nope.

[abstract depot]

i can unlock my scroll wheel and let it fly

not that i will i just get confused how people can fire certain guns so fast

[fleet brook]

Key binds it's always key binds

[regal raven]

Where u watching that bizzy stream too ?? 😄

[abstract depot]

Was he playing tournament with a team of lights lol

[regal raven]

He was playing Light , and had another. I think the 3rd was a Heavy

2 L 1 H

[buoyant lintel]

is there any loophole to get XP faster .... I want to take all my Loadout to LVL5.

[vital pecan]

Can we please get a Kanabo or Tetsubo skin for Sledgehammer please

[soft juniper]

I feel some weapons could benifit from having a special to right click then just zooming in
Idea 1 is Flame thrower: make it so when you hold right click it tightens the shot making its hit people from further away but at a cost of the damage cone to be smaller/tighter
and personaly I love the heavy Launcher but I wish It had a proximity explosion on it that could make it so good and possible more used

I have other ideas an will probably make a giant thing for feedback but also share it here to see if anyone else has ideas

[lunar idol]

it's so wild just how much the cl40 was affected by the nerfs, I remember looking at them when the patch notes dropped and thinking "yeah okay it's not a massive hit" but then you actually use it in game and it feels like the blast radius has been reduced by 50% - nades that would hit and do solid damage before just do nothing, or practically nothing now. It's basically only good if you can land direct hits 100% of the time, now.

That combined with the current server issues just make it absolutely miserable to use

[frank wren]

does the flashbang blind the turret?

[hallow leaf]

It should be a direct hit based weapon, it was cancer before because it required literally no skill

[lunar idol]

self report, it had one of the slowest TTKs in the entire game

[regal raven]

The "flowertube"

[frank wren]

if not, i think it would be cool if the flashbang could temporarily "blind" the turrets bc a flashbang would definitely affect a sensor of most kinds

[sand monolith]

Aim is not the only skill in the game. Cl-40 required more positioning than almost any other weapon.

[remote tartan]

A whip lmao

[rocky path]

Sharing for awareness
#1253147941472960666 message

[frank wren]

idea for a medium gadget: healing grenade, an impact grenade that heals when it explodes

[clear hedge]

a cool idea for light would be a point an click teleporter.

[devout meadow]

idea: a “knockback grenade” that can either be used to launch you in the air or can be thrown to blow apart groups of players, does no damage

[sacred cypress]

1. Allow heavy players to throw their spears. But not unlimited like the throwing knives. Instead when u throw it once u have to wait for it to come back to ur hand kinda like Thors hammer. It's literally a SPEAR. And having to wait for it to come back even to engage in close range battle prevents it from being overpowered but viable longer distances. Maybe allow players to aim and throw it through by toggling on and off the aiming mode.

2. Give more button optimisation for controller players for example triggering something or being able to choose an item with the double tap or triple of a button or swipe on the middle pad of a controller.

3. More character slots

[fleet brook]

No

[fringe current]

powershift

[polar cove]

Doesn't powershift scale down the xp you get because it's an easier gamemode? Thought I had noticed that before

[fringe current]

ive never heard of that if it is, i just know the games are quick and kills are rlly easy to get

[worn flicker]

Throwing knifes may benefit from an "overheat" function. Like arm gets tired if you fire continuously for too long.

[gusty sedge]

Haha everyone complain about the throwing knives being broken but the sh1900 is disgusting right now. Trounces the the throwing knives

[eager wasp]

not many people play the sh1900

[pine grail]

If you die to that it’s crazy

[clear hedge]

i would like to see a gadget to allow heavy to climb walls

[eager wasp]

just use goo gun

[pine grail]

Honestly I’d like sniper light to disappear permanently more than anything

[craggy hazel]

Idk I feel like snipers are balanced in this game for once, considering respawn is so easy

[lone cobalt]

Cause the sh is way easier to deal with

Throwing knives with dash is just stupid

[craggy hazel]

The dash backstab mechanic is absolutely broken

[pine grail]

So you don’t play ranked I see

[craggy hazel]

Yeah i don't
I don't think this game is ready for a proper ranked mode still

[pine grail]

Well it has it and it’s more played that the base game was

and sniper light is the least balanced thing there is.where anyone who can aim can screw your entire round with one shot and kill you on the second or one tap you if you’ve been in even one decent fight before

and more than anything I’m in plat right now and sniper is tthe only light I see so ig sucks

[hardy dust]

That's also a TA issue, just due to the nature of that gamemode

[gusty sedge]

Hard disagree. Invis + sh1900 is way more oppressive I can one shot the TK users and 2 shot everyone else. T

[hardy dust]

If you arent aware of your surroundings it can be hard to deal with

But with a little gamesense it falls off really hard

[pine grail]

If you can see invis it’s a issue and shotty is easy to avoid

[lone cobalt]

That is assumin you can get in range before you are outranged,detected.

[pine grail]

And assuming you aren’t gunned down instantly after your possible but unlikely kill

[lone cobalt]

Fr. Honestly you gotta be blind and deaf to not notice a light sneaking up on you

But sometimes the audio glitches and thats when they get kills

[midnight vessel]

We need these in the game
(Concept made by ai I can’t model lol)

[spiral pilot]

that would be a kusarigama found this picture

[gusty sedge]

Man I promise it's easier to get in range invisible than with dash. Especially in the heat of battle

[crude leaf]

"Motion Sensor Online"

"Detect, Detour, Defend"

"Motion Sensor Active"

"Looking for Movement"

[gusty sedge]

Lol idk what any of that is supposed to mean. I play light most of the time and it's way easier to get close to enemies invis. If you wanna be crazy toxic try a good sh1900 user + dash and vanish

I run into motion sensor almost never. Glitch trap is more of an issue.

[crude leaf]

Heavy has gadget

Gadget name: Motion Sensor

What gadget do: Perminately tracks all players who walk near the sensor until it's destroyed

Even detects invisible players

[crude leaf]

Glitchtrap is balanced, just shoot at it two times bro

[midnight vessel]

I posted a concept in fanworks

My idea is basically a mix of winch claw, dual blades, and spear for lights

[gusty sedge]

Lmao I didn't say it was unbalanced I said it was more of an issue than the motion sensor

[gusty sedge]

Lmao nobody is using motion sensor bro

[crude leaf]

They will

Not yet, but they will 😈

[gusty sedge]

They won't. Other gadgets are too necessary for winning cashout tournaments. Sonar way better so the team would use that for scans or just do without.

[fleet brook]

I'd give it to medium light shouldn't have a ranged Melee

I think the concept of a ranged Melee is stupid at a base no offense

[midnight vessel]

And medium shouldn’t have 3 melees

[fleet brook]

Giving light a ranged melee would be obnoxious

[midnight vessel]

I said it should be weaker than dual blades other than the fact that it can grab ppl like winch and its 3rd hit hits for 60

[fleet brook]

Heavy gets Melee because they're slow so old easy counterplay was stay out of range (before winch claw )

[crude leaf]

Sonar is temporary, Motion is inevitable

[midnight vessel]

Im just tryna have fun unique weapons man

[fleet brook]

So it would have winch grab (hard to avoid and sets you up for an easy kill)

[midnight vessel]

I don’t want this to feel like cod with just a bunch of guns

[fleet brook]

Oh ik I just don't like the idea of

1 ranged melee

2 light is one of the best users of melees

[crude leaf]

Maybe save the melee weapons for another season 🤔

[fleet brook]

I think light getting a poison dart could be interesting

More out of pocket weaponry would be cool

[midnight vessel]

Ok but if I winch grab a heavy and he’ll prolly still cook me

[crude leaf]

Tracking Dart buff 🗣️🔥

Honestly Tracking Dart should have 3 shots in my opinion that way you can Track an entire team

[midnight vessel]

I suggested that multiple times

[fleet brook]

But if you grab winch any non melee light/ medium

Your team beams them

[midnight vessel]

I told a dev to add that

[fleet brook]

I play on comms you just say "got a winch" your team beams down the guy

[crude leaf]

What if Light gets a Healing Dart like Ana from Overwatch?

[midnight vessel]

I mean its 5 from the grab
45 from the first 2 hits and 60 from the 3rd

[fleet brook]

You're looking at the grab from a solo Q pure kill thing

I'm looking at it from team utility

"I got a grab"

Teammate who you're with beams the guy

[midnight vessel]

Also the way I was thinking it should work is the weapon is mostly close ranged melee except for the 3rd hit of the combo in which the player would spin and turn their back to their opponent and this 3rd attack’s animation would be much slower than the first too
And the secondary attack would have a cool down to prevent lights from spamming it

It would be weak enough jn dps to not be broken while maintaining a unique and fun playstyle

[midnight vessel]

Its a pair of dual blades with a reduced range, a semi-ranged melee attack in the attack combo, with a winch attack at a reduced range that about half the range of winch

[arctic fog]

They need to rework riot shield and maybe dual blades. Medium is just a really bad class for melee in general, since they don't have any specializations that support movement or something like the winch claw. Medium melee either needs to do more damage, apply some sort of debuff to the enemy, or some extra little buff from blocking shots with the riot shield. Dual blades is also just jank as hell and is rarely reliable.

[restive plover]

cool

[midnight vessel]

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1259612380908753028

https://discord.com/channels/1008696016318513243/1259599425526042674

[midnight vessel]

I hope we get a poison blowgun

I need it

[soft juniper]

I could see these being a light weapon having the auto attack speed of dagger but slightly more damage, and making the right click be a grapple but only to players you hit, this could let you either grapple to a enemy to close the gap or grapple to an ally to escape

[soft juniper]

Maybe instead let the Bow have different ammo types?

[midnight vessel]

I like bow how it is personally

[river sparrow]

jump pad fs

[eager wasp]

Dual Blades are amazing as they are imo

[wary wren]

Any other sword mains tell me if there's still any point to animation canceling by item switching? Because it feels like there still alot of endlag between lunges.

[arctic fog]

The reflect has just always felt inconsistent to me, as for many other players, I'm sure.

[wary wren]

May I ask how you feel that they're inconsistent?

[eager wasp]

oh no don't get me wrong, they are extremely inconsistent and m2 is a usesless feature beasically 99% of the time, but even without it dual blades are really good

[eager wasp]

due to ping/server issues/connection whatever deflection doesn't always deflect how you'd like

[abstract depot]

Has anyone ever felt the ledge is inconsistent on lights and people who are crouching