💣┇weapons-gadgets

[fleet brook]

I've only uninstalled 1 time yesterday

I don't uninstall things (especially if I put money into it)

[leaden tiger]

they sucked before because they were hard as shit to use.
Now they are immensley easy to use.

but the damage buff was not needed.
Look at the KS23, it fucking sucks STILL, and that gun has actual damage fall off, knives don't.
that gun has awful firing speed/ knives don't.
that gun has spread/ surprisingly knives don't.
and the ks23 reloads. knives don't.

Now the gun is a tiny bit easier to use, but it lost 10 damage.
Knives are now easier to use by miles, and gained damage.

Light is getting love and adjustments. he's been nerfed 1 time. and that was the broken as shit op tazer. which still works just fine.

Medium has had 2 gadgets stolen from him, and many weapons adjusted.
Heavy has been nerfed almost every patch with 0 buffs.

Light is not this Pathetic class people assume. He's just got a higher skill ceiling with 200% reward per risk.

[digital saddle]

I was hinting at the "used it pre buff, it was easy" topos

why uninstall?

[fleet brook]

Oh I've always loved challenging weapons in games and

I have the rank I want/wanted and pubs is full of TK (I play destruction heavy) so they kinda shit on me with my KS-23 medium has never been my class and light I could either use the tk again or go back to my old classic shotgun

[leaden tiger]

Medium is fun to me because he's a support character.
Just sucks fighting lights due to how hard they are to hit.

[fleet brook]

I've also unlocked all the tools and gadgets and guns so I have nothing to grind for to distract me from the annoyance anymore

[sharp delta]

medium is fun because funny CL40

[leaden tiger]

they shadow nerfed the CL40 sadly
aoe is smaller than before

[digital saddle]

I see

Light shotty is challenging now

[ornate meadow]

damn light mains cried about a AOE weapon being effective against them lol

[fleet brook]

It got harder light shotty was my

I'm tired and still want to use my brain a little bit weapon

[sharp delta]

tbf that does kinda make sense, too high of a aoe and it lacks skill to use

[leaden tiger]

As long as the lights sword dash is still broken as shit to go against, I will abuse whatever is necessary to tell light trash to uninstall.

[digital saddle]

this

[leaden tiger]

29/4 as sword light, my fucking god dude I can't stand it.

[ornate meadow]

(heads up furgie is a sword light i play with him)

[leaden tiger]

my statement stands.

[ornate meadow]

real

[sharp delta]

i mean, a weapon that forces CQC has to have decent movement

using sword still takes mean positioning skills, although i do get it if its annoying to fight. dunno how it could be balanced to be more fun to fight without making the weapon useless

[leaden tiger]

press Q to dash, autoaim lunge does 140 damage.
repeat. kill medium in 2 hits. still have a dash to escape.
uninstall.

hate lights. hate them so much. Have to cater the entire game around them and they still complain

[sharp delta]

sword lights still get beaten up by anyone prepared. light is literally the hit and run class, it takes alot of skill to do well with sword and good team communication can really counter it well

[pallid blade]

not mediums with 2 of the strongest gadgets/specialization in the game complaining about the least useful class

[leaden tiger]

yeah so so strong still dying in 2 hits to most of lights guns.

[sharp delta]

also
cl40 gibs lights so easy its not even funny. my only relief is that most people who wreck me with it also tend to blow themselves up too

[pallid blade]

there isn't a light "gun" that kills in 2 hits, at most you have melee, dagger even kills in 1 and still suck 😂

[sharp delta]

the automatics aren;t that good. the main things that dont give you the chance to respond is sniper, tk and dagger backstab

[leaden tiger]

sword. throwing knives. double barrel.
And dagger + dash focuses the back now, so no.

[leaden tiger]

don't even get me started on that bullshit fucking sniper. I'm getting mad already.

[dim onyx]

whaaaat whatd sniper do

[pallid blade]

sword isn't a gun, tk takes 4 hits in the body not 2, shotgun also sucks and is not consistent xd

[leaden tiger]

statement stands.

[sharp delta]

oh no dont worry i agree with you, snipers in basically any game suck. the finals balances it kinda well by making the sniper INCREDIBLY loud and have a major glint so you know theres a snuper before they even shoot

[pallid blade]

more like, lays down

[leaden tiger]

takes 2 clicks from those weapons to kill a medium. you didn't counter anything I said.

[obsidian nexus]

lmao, laughs in hitscan sniper

[pallid blade]

you said 2 hits mate, you can miss 3 out of those 4 knives 😂

[sharp delta]

two heavy hits, which have a charge up. i've died in the time between the first lunge and second lunge, its far from unbeatable

[dim onyx]

nerf turret buff aps health to take like 1 or 2 more projectiles, nerf tk back to 60 dmg , nerf rpg, give heavy and meads more things to use and weapons to shoot. thank u for coming to my ted talk

[leaden tiger]

that's great. cool. congratulations.
skill issue. the weapon can kill in 2 clicks.

[pallid blade]

not to mention cl-40 kills lights in 2 hits, can even kill 3 of them in fact

[pallid blade]

calling skill issue after saying this? 😂

[leaden tiger]

turret needs a turning speed buff, it's not that good.
APS needs to be un-nerfed.
RPG needs its damage reduced to 80
I don't know what you mean by the last one.

[sharp delta]

yeah, CL-40 easily takes less skill that sword/dagger, and tryna dodge an AOE attack isnt fun

[leaden tiger]

again, my statement remains the same. if everyone landed their shots correctly, light wins every engagement.

[pallid blade]

pahhahahaahahaha

[leaden tiger]

he just doesn't play the game I guess.

[sharp delta]

unfortunately, no one has a hitrate of 100%

[pallid blade]

nah bruh, heavy would win every engagement, and it wouldn't be close

[leaden tiger]

regardless I'd kill for an RPG nerf. can't stand it.

[dim onyx]

aps nerf was a god send, and i main meads and heavy. it was not fun having to run aps to deny every projectile in the game, now theres some brainpower u have to use for it to be effective. aps needs a turning and activation buff but needs a higher cooldown and less dmg. and throwing knives need to be reverted back to the state when they did 60 dmg

[sharp delta]

turret is annoying as hell, its good in its current state concidering the counters to it
aps needs to be nerfed by time, not by 3 projectile block max. originally it was really annoying

[pallid blade]

yeah I would agree with this

[amber cloak]

If you guys are still arguing about tk, you could increase time between throws

[leaden tiger]

the turret has like no damage. all it does is cover. if you work with it, it's strong.
But currently it is countered by walking in a circle around it, or jumping over it.

the turret should be able to track whoever it's shooting without losing them. That's all it needs. not a damage or a health buff, but the fact it can lose it's target by walking around it is just goofy.

[sharp delta]

yeah that makes more of a change than a +3 damage bonus. the speed makes them waaay to quick to properly respond to in an engagement

[dim onyx]

way 2 much burst damage for any 1 class to have imo

like at least w sniper u can run to cover b4 the next shots chambered

[sharp delta]

that depends on distance and positioning of the turret. a well-placed turret can supress and track targets better than one just slapped down willy nilly

[leaden tiger]

like every weapon, it's based on who uses it.
but turrets are in need a buff

[sharp delta]

i mean, with sniper you know its there before it even fires thanks to scope glint, which makes it much more balanced

[dim onyx]

thats also true, thowing knives r stupid bc by the time u hear them that dudes already beaming you for all your health

[sharp delta]

so it being bad in your hands is based on you, not the weapon? like it feels from experience that turrets can be very effective if they're used right

[pallid blade]

tbh, i've been seeing a lot less tks today

[leaden tiger]

and in my experience, turrets are annoying, not useful.

[sharp delta]

thats... even worse than being bad. if they're annoying then making them faster would make them even more annoying

[leaden tiger]

you say the sword is skill based, I use it and go 29/4 it's too good.
It's all perspective, all of this is, what's objective is how counters work, and light has very few other than his low health, which is accounted for through movement and his small frame.

Turrets are countered by simple walking around or through them.
or goo. or reshaper. or shooting them.

I'm not here to say stuff needs changing for no reason, I want actual discussion, but the fucks in the other channels just say "what's your rank?"

it's the same damn game no matter what, medium still has 250 hp and heavy still has 350.
Doesn't matter where I am the game is the same.

[civic forum]

Why light gadget is so boring rn

[sharp delta]

hey, some people are just better with certain weapons. im good with sword cause i play a hyper-aggressively and know how to position myself. plus, people dont know how to fight swords very well, despite it actually being kind of simple

[stark wraith]

if i as a heavy can consistently hit lights with the KS i think it's just a skill issue

[civic forum]

I want they to buff smoke granade, so thermal vision would be more fun

[leaden tiger]

no, it's unanimous the ks23 sucks

[stark wraith]

it's really good if you know how to aim dude

[leaden tiger]

congrats, you just fixed FPS's

[stark wraith]

why did you ruin bosnia

[sharp delta]

wider area of affect would be kinda cool

[digital saddle]

no item of any fps that plays the game for you, but more reliable, should be as good as the turret

[leaden tiger]

you gotta rephrase that. Iunno what you meant

[fervent vine]

idk I think the scout from tf2 is pretty cool

[ornate meadow]

what

[leaden tiger]

not related, but I agree.

[fervent vine]

isnt that what yall are arguing about?
scout from tf2

[sharp delta]

the turret literally plays the game for you. you place it down in a good spot and it, at worst, inconviniences the enemy and at best can mess someone up

[civic forum]

Do u have any recommend gadget that is fun?

[leaden tiger]

that is how a turret works. it's not that reliable.

[sharp delta]

goop and pyro make a good combo, but honestly you cant go wrong with frag grenade

[fervent vine]

pyro tf2

[sharp delta]

it can save you the cap, or slow down a chasing enemy. its good enough, really

[civic forum]

Can smoek granade shut flamethrower down?

[stark wraith]

i stopped following JFJ when he organized the dayton accords and ruined bosnia because he thinks the KS is bad

[sharp delta]

absolutely

[ornate meadow]

schitzo

[digital saddle]

it is just too obviously self-serving to defend the turret

[sharp delta]

yeah, this is some insider trading type stuff
he wants a turret buff because hes not good enough with it to use it effectively

[fervent vine]

hes in league with Woodrow Wilson

[leaden tiger]

so can gas and frags. but regardless, the only thing the turret needs is a turning speed increase.

[sharp delta]

why?? it follows well enough aslong as its not point-blank to a target

[leaden tiger]

I literally just said why. walking around it counters it.

standing on it counters it too actually lmao. it can't look up or down that well

[digital saddle]

you should just play tower defense instead

[sharp delta]

if the enemy can stand on your turret then you placed it poorly. you can put it on walls and ceilings

[stark wraith]

when is JFJ addressing the allegations @sharp delta @ornate meadow @fervent vine

[ornate meadow]

what

[sharp delta]

what

[stark wraith]

that he ruined bosnia

[ornate meadow]

genuine schitzo what the hell

[fervent vine]

and the Leauge of Nations

[leaden tiger]

it's actually very easy to counter the turret in all forms of positioning, the best way to give it free range is to place it in completely crazy positions, like syshorizon on the wall in the green building up near the ceiling.

[fervent vine]

what about left and right

[sharp delta]

i dont think he ruioned bosnia, hws ruining the turret tho

[leaden tiger]

it can't turn very fast. you can counter it by simply walking around it. This isn't a joke, I'll go get a video of it shortly

[sharp delta]

• doesn't like sword autoaim
• wants turret to autoaim better

[stark wraith]

i remember being on that fateful day, the serbs coming into my town as they set down turrets with the letters "JFJ" on them. it was a sad day.

[fervent vine]

well duh the game is about you shooting not watching something else shoot for you

[leaden tiger]

if I could turn the turret into a mounted machine gun I'd use that too. but it'd be useless because of frags.

"what about APS"

what ABOUT it.

[ornate meadow]

well dont place it in close quarters then

[pallid blade]

i think since the turret has a FCAR on top, it should have the dps of pre nerf FCAR , also accuracy and range (can't believe I have to say that this is a joke)

[leaden tiger]

I disagree. it doesn't need to be OP as shit to be useful, it should just shoot what it's aiming at.

[ornate meadow]

positioning is a concept

[sharp delta]

original APS was busted, rendered so many gadgets useless

[stark wraith]

bosnia was a concept, but it was ruined

[leaden tiger]

shoot it.

[fervent vine]

having good aim is also a concept

[sharp delta]

sword
grenade launcher

[leaden tiger]

sword it. grenade launch it.
am I missing something here?

[fervent vine]

having good aim, dont forget that

[leaden tiger]

the ONLY weapon the APS counters is the MGL32. but that weapon is useless. literally.

[leaden tiger]

assuming both parties can hit a stationary target.

[sharp delta]

power shift
cart is 1 medium, 1 heavy, others nearby
i cannot kill the APS turret with a sword before im killed by the duo on cart

[fervent vine]

ive seen some youtubers who struggle with that

[pallid blade]

you can throw the first light portal against the APS over and over 🤣

[stark wraith]

dude you're texan you should be geneticaly predispositioned to use the KS

[leaden tiger]

how else do you attack with a sword if you can't with an object that can't hurt you?

[leaden tiger]

tell me what type of gun the ks23 is

[fervent vine]

A shotgun

[ornate meadow]

A shotgun

[sharp delta]

i cant use gadgets like grenades to soften the point/weaken defense and cohesion
the APS turret totally counters things like glitch nades, which counter most other gadgets, and even shoots down RPGs and shield domes

[pallid blade]

an axe

[fervent vine]

new update make every gun a melee weapon

[leaden tiger]

I asked him, but I will answer anyway.
It is a carbine. It is not a shotgun.
The weapon can use shells, but it is a special carbine designed by the soviets.

[ornate meadow]

WHAT

[fervent vine]

its a shotgun lmao

[pallid blade]

it's not an axe?!?!?!

[leaden tiger]

it has the power to punch a hole through an engine block. it has a confirmed kill on a plane that was flying in the air over 100 meters in the sky.

[sharp delta]

"The KS-23 is a Soviet shotgun." - wikipedia
this is off topic but. what.

[dusty torrent]

Model / demat main here I fux with this game

[leaden tiger]

the ks23, is weaker than throwing knives.

[ornate meadow]

THE KS23? The shotgun that uses bad 23mm anti air barrels to launch 4 gauge shells???

[sharp delta]

sigma loadout

[leaden tiger]

officially designated by the russian military as a carbine.
since they made it, I'll use their designation.

[pallid blade]

it's also not an axe even though it cuts trees down 😢

[fervent vine]

what are you shooting their toes?

[ornate meadow]

its meant for anti vic? with the barricada slugs?????

[dusty torrent]

Tbh I was born way before allat shit so ion know what that mean but fashoooo twin lock in 🤓🤓🤓

[leaden tiger]

well actually it's meant for prision riots.

[fervent vine]

um ackually its a shotgun 🤓
(it shoots 4 guage)

[leaden tiger]

such a cool fucking gun, it sucks it's trash in the finals.

[fervent vine]

*prison

[sharp delta]

• fires buckshot
• rifled barrel
• "carbine"

[ornate meadow]

carbines have rifled barrels you moron

[sharp delta]

it fires./ buckshot

:(

[leaden tiger]

gauge is a matter of measurement. that doesn't mean anything.
The KS23 is a rifled carbine that fires 4 gauge shotgun slugs. meant to quarrel prison riots.

funny gun

[fervent vine]

idk I use shotguns and have no issues

[leaden tiger]

then you don't use the ks23 much. glad we crossed that.

[sharp delta]

yeah my friend uses the ks23 and he can pop off with it pretty well

[fervent vine]

I do use the ks23
because its a shotgun

[pallid blade]

"The KS-23 is a Soviet shotgun. Because it uses a rifled barrel, it is officially designated by the Russian military as a carbine. KS stands for Karabin Spetsialniy, "Special Carbine"." Even wikipedia is confused if it's a shotgun or a carbine

[ornate meadow]

shrödingers gun = designated a carbine but fits the defenition of shotgun

[leaden tiger]

i was actually really decent with it when its damage was good.
but for some reason it still did less than the sniper.

[leaden tiger]

russians are goofy. but they made cool guns

[sharp delta]

it says its a shotgun, but the russian military calls it a carbine

[stark wraith]

the ruski military classifies it as a carbine, it still fires shells, so it's pretty much a shotgun

[dusty torrent]

We getting quizzed on this stuff or sum?!

[fervent vine]

the M16 is better tbh

[pallid blade]

Leave it to Russia to design a carbine that's just a shotgun 😂

[fervent vine]

average soviets moment

[ornate meadow]

the russians are goofy i can agree on that but 90% of their guns belong in grippy sock jail

[sharp delta]

the sniper does ludicrious damage tho

[leaden tiger]

dog the m16 was infamous for being fucking garbage lmao.

[ornate meadow]

because it wasn't built to spec of the original designer

[leaden tiger]

highest single target damage in the game, no headshot. still sniper

[sharp delta]

the chat has just derailed hard, dw about it

[stark wraith]

you can still kill lights firstly with 2-3 shots?

[leaden tiger]

doesn't matter. it shipped to nam and got into the hands of soldiers. you only get 1 first impression.

[fervent vine]

its so infamous that I can find nothing complaining about how bad it is

[sharp delta]

lies die to sniper in 2 shots, 1 headshot

[stark wraith]

John F Jennedy

[fervent vine]

the secret revealed

[ornate meadow]

he was killed for proposing a KS23 nerf

[leaden tiger]

I JUST WANTED IT TO HAVE GOOD HIPFIRE
I DIDN'T EVEN GET THAT

[stark wraith]

AIM

[fervent vine]

YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO AIM

THIS ISNT FUCKING OVERWATCH

[stark wraith]

either way, hip fire will still kill lights/mediums in 3-4 shots dude, it's just your aim

[ornate meadow]

how did we go from dogging the TK to dogging jfj for being bad att using the KS?

[sharp delta]

dont forget the gun rant in the middle of it all

[ornate meadow]

real

[stark wraith]

mmm yes the M4 and the KS are the same type of gun

[leaden tiger]

they're banding together for a common cause to defend their gaslight.
KS23 is not good, otherwise it'd be used more.
Lights are still not fun to fight.
Turret is still okay at best.

Not apologizing

[stark wraith]

i'm pretty sure you still suck at aiming dude, i have laid out my reasons why the KS is pretty good to use if you can hit your shots

[sharp delta]

what
i've seen the ks23 used, its pretty effective too. in my experience its just hard to use

[ornate meadow]

ok well the KS idk about the light thing i do agree with the turret thing i dont use it since i actualy do teamplay and heal

[stark wraith]

jfj is not a team player he ruined the balkans

[fervent vine]

its pretty crazy, if your gun is pointed at the enemy when you pull the trigger, it hurts them

[stark wraith]

if i kill myself do i die

[pallid blade]

wait what, the ks-23 is good now? what happened 😂

[fervent vine]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476 embed fail : (

[sharp delta]

its entirely dependent on skill, its jyst hard to use like pre-buff TK

[stark wraith]

embed fail laugh at this man

[ornate meadow]

idk kadd just might be a KS god the KS has good DPS but its a very high skill weapon

what

[pallid blade]

if the KS has good DPS then I'm Jesus Christ 😂

it is fun though

[ornate meadow]

idk it hits for 100

[fervent vine]

ITS A SHOTGUN

[pallid blade]

it's not great because it lacks damage, it's pretty funny when you pop someone actually😂 , but the rate of fire is a bit too slow still, and not consistent enough at long range unfortunately, that's why we don't see it more

[fervent vine]

are you trying to use a shotgun at long range?
A SHOTGUN

[pallid blade]

it's a slug, it's meant to be better at longer ranges compared to normal shotguns no?

[fervent vine]

in real life, but you are playing a video game
grab an actual rifle

[sharp delta]

eeehhh only a bit, but if it was too good at long range it'd run the risk of becoming meta and awful to fight

[pallid blade]

btw long range is like 15-20m for the weapon to stop being reliable

[fervent vine]

why are you trying to long range with heavy

[sharp delta]

damage falloff starts at 18m, it does have a statistically low DPS for heavy though

[stark wraith]

tycoon how many hours do you have on the finals

[ornate meadow]

no one but light does anything beyond like 50m becasue they have the only weapon without ridiculus falloff att that range

[fervent vine]

690

[pallid blade]

that's not the point, the point is you have more well rounded options, and it's DPS is still low despite those limitations

[stark wraith]

goddamn

i am going to fix bosnia now

[ornate meadow]

how

[pallid blade]

so, btw, it's dps is 121.7, according to the community wiki, lewis is 208.3

[ornate meadow]

but the KS does the 100 in a burst so if you play cover/corners you take a fraction of the lewis's DPS while dealing full KS damage

[pallid blade]

true true, but it should at least be comparable with the model 1887 which has 173~ dps

[fervent vine]

wikis are really easy to edit

[sharp delta]

yeah thats a fair point, high burst damage is usually kind of forgotten about in balance discussions

[ornate meadow]

medium is supposed to have higher DPS to compensate for the lower health

[pallid blade]

the dps seems about right to me

[ornate meadow]

like. thats how they balance it

[pallid blade]

then they need to either buff the rifles or nerf the lmgs XD

[ornate meadow]

true the AK is fun but has awfull TTK

[pallid blade]

I think it has the highest DPS rn by a tiny bit

dunno about TTKs

[ornate meadow]

well your mean accuracy due to the spreads lowers it

[fervent vine]

wait this is the arma 3 server for the unit called Final right?

[pallid blade]

anyways I see no reason why the KS-23 shouldn't have the same StKs as the model 1887, or at least higher fire rate, that's my take

[ornate meadow]

if it had the same DPS as the 1887 the heavy would ALWAYS win against medium

[fervent vine]

hot take CSAT has better camo than the AAF

[pallid blade]

maybe, the model has higher fire rate and it's not a projectile, but regardless that's why I said higher fire rate

[ornate meadow]

if you wanna buff the KS up the reload speed

[fervent vine]

wait a minute this is the server for that game the finals
ew

[pallid blade]

he says in an upgraded color

[ornate meadow]

still if they made the KS match the 1887 in DPS the 1887 would become useless

it just needs a better reload speed then it would be really powerfull

[pallid blade]

if they buff only the fire rate or only the dmg to be the same, they wouldn't have the same dps, but I get what you're saying dw

[ornate meadow]

they might want to buff the damage a little but idk my buddy im playing with consistently slays with it

[pallid blade]

you can do well with an underpowered weapon, just look at all the videos talking about how "OP" the 93r was, I would just see the title and be like, yeah cap

now I feel like using the ks-23 💀

[shadow onyx]

Nah aaf has drip

[dreamy sundial]

I get 20 kill games with the riot shield.

[near pumice]

Ice lolly skin!! Per kill you get 1 plus layer!! When you are playing the ice lolly melts so you better win quick 😉 #1243918013615570974

[grizzled notch]

We need bow and arrow

[radiant vapor]

big crosbow for heavy and bow and arrow for medium.
lights already have a silent weapon

[next marlin]

can we add attachments

[restive plover]

I wonder what kind of horrible takes were discussed in this channel.

[sharp delta]

scroll up 5 miles

[vague monolith]

I'm wondering if upping the projectile speed would help the ks

Fairly accurate until you get to the range that assault rifles are king

[uncut iron]

Are they nerfing kunai’s next szn

[steep badge]

I HOPE NOT LMAO

[uncut iron]

Bro they’re way too strong and you know it

[ember hazel]

Allow animation changes for the Printer AK skin

[ionic widget]

THEY HAVE TO ADD RELOAD CANCEL TO THIS GAME BRUHHHHH

[forest ocean]

just vault

[forest ocean]

dagger?

[ionic widget]

nah but like id be in an open area nowhere to valt and i die. whenever i can vault i do but there are so many times where i cant

[keen turtle]

If I light goo on fire and it damages or eliminates a contestant do I receive credit or is it treated like an out-of-bounds death?

[forest ocean]

switch to gadget maybe

[forest ocean]

you get points

I play goo+molly so i know

[ionic widget]

yeah i do that sometimes but it can sometimes take too long to swich to gadget and switch back. would be easier if you can tap the reload button again to cancel reload

[forest ocean]

would be nice, but dont even know a game that lets you do that

[uncut iron]

No throwing knives

[karmic sandal]

Need compound bow

[nova zenith]

There is

[nova zenith]

Skill issue

[nova zenith]

Skill issue

[slow flare]

Yes 100%

[karmic sandal]

🏹

[daring spruce]

Heal beam could use a slight nerf

[sand monolith]

They have the same ttk as the smgs and worse ttk than the LH1. They’re fine really

[analog sage]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-factory-you-will-never-find-another-store-shelf-a-bunch-of-buzz-lightyears-gif-21719996

[analog sage]

needs a slight nerf thats all

[sand monolith]

not really at all. the only issue with them is that they give bad feedback when they're being throwing at you. which is why its frustrating to fight. their performance is completely fine they match the other weapons on light

it feels like the light is just staring at you and you take random damage

[analog sage]

i would think a slight nerf maybe. just range wise a little bit it should be debuffed. i dont mind the damage sometimes but combined with the dash its super annoying

[sand monolith]

which should definitely be addressed. but as far as weapon stats and design go, the throwing knives have very cool advantages and disadvantages

[analog sage]

exactly. there a very unique weapon

[sand monolith]

if there was a tracer on the knives (which there should be) you would be able to reliably dodge them from range

[analog sage]

make it a bright orange or like red

[sand monolith]

yeah something that stands out

[analog sage]

would be nice

[sand monolith]

cause right now it feels terrible to fight against it just feels like you randomly take damage

[analog sage]

thats true. i also could feel like a small 5 second recharge would be nice after like ten throws

[sand monolith]

5 seconds is a ton

[analog sage]

cause then its just infinite

[sand monolith]

that would be the longest reload in the game by a lot

maybe besides the model1887 at 0 ammo left

[analog sage]

then 3 seconds?

like a small sharpening animation of the knives

[sand monolith]

2 seconds would be okay i think. it would still be one of the longest reloads on light

generally light reloads very fast because it is so rewarding to catch a light off guard

[analog sage]

thats true. but im just saying with the knifes its hard to catch them off guard

[sand monolith]

true but tbh the meta will likely change a ton for season 3 in a week anyways so throwing knives might just be indirectly nerfed by other weapons being buffed or something

or gadgets being added that combo super well with other weapons on light

should wait until then to do anything with them imo

[analog sage]

yea hopefully everything is balanced. (unlike games like cod or fortnite)

[vocal gate]

Grenade launcher should deal equal dmg to the user if they’re shooting point blank or too close to themselves. Drags absolutely need an indicator so there is outplay potential. These 2 things alone make ranked feel horrible and like a complete joke. APS nerf is fine but holy, how come nobody accounted for ppl spamming frags and grenade launchers???

[simple lantern]

we need a kriss vector for light

[steel glacier]

The 93R could use a dual-wield skin

[simple lantern]

AKIMBO VECTORS

you just gave me an amazing idea

[lone pagoda]

dual wield 93Rs might make it an actually usable weapon

not just as a skin lol

[crimson aurora]

light doesnt really need another smg

give it to medium or something

[lone pagoda]

it would be the same as m11

[lavish quail]

I would love to see the MG42 in the finals. It could be a low damage but high fire rate gun for heavy

[mellow hazel]

what counts as a marksman rifle

[simple lantern]

okay fair, but hear me out, akimbo ones, like those in Advanced Warfare

[crimson aurora]

maybe

[bronze quiver]

lh1

[simple lantern]

just thought of another, what about an anti-material rifle for heavy?

goes through walls and shit

[tired rapids]

so you're just giving a bigger advantage to hackers huh

[gritty sparrow]

that would be crazy

[simple lantern]

tf no

think it would be fun to be a sniper as a person who destroys shit

[tired rapids]

bullets going through walls and wall hacks seem to be really unfair to play against

sure a heavy sniper but not going through walls

[simple lantern]

fair enough, it would still kinda depend on the anti-cheat though

[restive plover]

The ks23 doesn't need to be made more useless, and heavy shouldn't have good ranged options.

[sinful dagger]

Sniper is already the most unhealthy weapon in the game. Technically needs buffs but incredibly annoying and shit to play against.

[wind folio]

Nvm i read wrong

[simple lantern]

I'm going off of fun. I respect your opinion, but I'm thinking of how fun it would be to snipe as a heavy.

And plus, they don't have to make it go through walls. That's just my opinion.

[bitter surge]

What do you guys think about the new weapons and gadgets in S3 ?

Like your thoughts or predictions

[dusty torrent]

I’ve heard way too much to know for sure

[clear needle]

I would love to see for L: Kriss Vector, or MP7, for M: a AR-50 Beowulf or some sort of DMR with a 4x ACOG, and for H: a Deagle or .50cal Singleshot sniper. (Yes i Dont like melees)

[haughty olive]

This is a really good idea. I was trying to think of a handgun or marksman rifle for heavy but didn't really have any ideas. I can only imagine the nightmares that would come from balancing them though, because accuracy isn't really how the heavy plays. DMR for medium is a good idea too, but I don't think we need to see more smgs or burst weapons for light.

[simple lantern]

two of those were my suggestions, (sort of, not sure if the idea was originally mine) and personally, I think the kriss vector should be akimbo, similar to the ones in Advanced Warfare

[clear needle]

I think a compound bow would suit a light…

[clear needle]

Akimbo Vector with their rate of fire would be overkill…

[restive plover]

give light akimbo Mg 42

[clear needle]

Thats my guy…

[torn mantle]

Im betting that eithet L or M will be getting a bow

[sand monolith]

It would be funny but heavy really shouldn’t have any good long range options

The Lewis gun is already destroying the game because of this

[simple lantern]

fair, but still, think of how fun it would be

5 round mag, bolt action, kicks like a mule, but hits like one as well

if the devs rebalance the game in S3 it'll really shake the meta up

like a magnitude 5000 earthquake level of shake

[sand monolith]

ya it would be fun for the person using it but no one else

it would be cool though if they had a separate mode for funny stuff like that

[copper sinew]

Heavy even conceptually doesn't fit any precision options. The best he got is the shotgun and while I think it could do with a little boost the build should not get any new weapons like that, especially long ranged ones

[obsidian nexus]

heavy is in need of some changes. or medium and light are

[copper sinew]

I think as is, mostly the rpg needs to take a hit. After the APS nerf the shields/barricades stacking doesn't feel nearly as oppressive, the existence of glitch barrels means you don't have to rely on your light to turn them off all the time too and knives where amazing against shields even before the buff since they have an infinite clip and high dps. Since you can now actually kill with them they are a viable option in other circumstances too.

Now it is just the rpg that is left feeling too strong and would like something to be done between its overlap with the c4 alongside a buff to the latter, probably decreasing the activation time to 1 second or even 0.5 and it would be at least usable for something else than making holes, which heavy has an abundance of.

As for the RPG I would still just move it to the specialization slot and see how it works out there, since that slot is more valuable than just a gadget slot and we would probably not see literally all the heavies running it.

[restive plover]

Can you still get the red glowing eye cosmetic when you finish the pro circuit? Or was this time limited for the week that pro circuit came out?

[copper sinew]

I think you still can, but can't confirm for sure since I already got it

but it seemed like all the contracts where available for the entire duration of the season so I don't see why not

[torn mantle]

You still can, but you onky have around 5 days left to do it

[ashen hawk]

poll:
favourite build:

oi. answer

[fickle radish]

You can get it until the end of the season

[ashen hawk]

i feel like embark is focusin too much on lights. the other day theyre gonna become op. pls strt focusing on medium and hevies

[obsidian nexus]

please i beg. make snipers take skill. hitscan is terribly cringe and makes it awful to play against.

[obsidian nexus]

lewi is also still a bit overtuned but thats just my opinion

[sinful dagger]

Charge and slam also, then games balanced

Heal beam needs a rework but not necessarily a nerf.

[near pumice]

Nail gun xp-54? #1247567981513412698

[bitter surge]

Nice suggestions 👏

[steel jolt]

It would be cool if they added a weapon that propels others

[bitter surge]

It would be fire 👌

[rough carbon]

How about a heavy iron ball shot put that does massive damage and smashes through multiple floors

[torn mantle]

Would that be a weapon, specialization or gadget?

[junior brook]

nerf new heavy shotgun this mf have insane range

[rough carbon]

Could work as a specialization or a gadget

[sinful dagger]

Wouldn't that just be charge and slam without any risks though

[rough carbon]

Maybe as a gadget then since you can bean people in the head with it

It should smash through multiple floors like a meteorite

[sinful dagger]

Oh so it's vertical charge and slam

Interesting

[open blade]

Vault breacher (medium item) can be mounted onto a cash out to make it complete slightly faster, but it is slightly easier to steal

[restive plover]

The "deal x structural damage to arenas using arena carryable" challenge doesnt seem to tick when I throw red canister against walls. How does this work??

[dim onyx]

holy shit they actaully did it

bows and katanas boutta go fucking nutty. and the new ranked mode holy cow

[obsidian nexus]

WERE GETTING A BOW LFIGHASOPUFAGHS IM SCREAMING

[shy sigil]

Bow, dual Wakizashis, Whip(?), new AR/SMG-looking thing, new sniper unless bipod is a skin

whip might be a spec because it goes into 3rd person

can't tell if the gun shown at :48 is new or an FCAR

[bitter surge]

Guys !! Did you notice the hook ???? At the end

[digital saddle]

how are these distributed though? bow for light, dual blades for medium?

[dense oasis]

BOW FOR LIGHTS! We called it!!!

[bitter surge]

So i’m the only one ? Huh weird

[digital saddle]

or could it be buffed grapple?

[bitter surge]

Nah there’s no way

It would be insane

I think a new gadget for the heavy

This is my prediction 😅

[burnt glen]

yes the hook is a specialization for heavy its in the updated steam page

[onyx mesa]

Katanas

I am happy

[digital saddle]

could you link it? thx

[burnt glen]

its on the steam page

[halcyon fractal]

Will there be a katana skin for sword?? Or just katanas as a whole new weapon for medium..

[swift comet]

Can someone link the steam page plzzzz🙏🏼

[halcyon fractal]

Yes pls

[queen forum]

It's dual daggers for medium I think the sword is a skin

[halcyon fractal]

KATANA SKIN FOR SWORD LIGHT??? DOPEEEE

I also cant wait for the heavy weapon

OR it might be a gadget

[swift comet]

Link it plzzzz

[shell ridge]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2073850/view/4164220603447083354?l=spanish

[last wraith]

i wouldn’t think it’s a skin because it blocks bullets

[balmy tartan]

Read the steam page for more info on the new weapons and gadgets!

[balmy tartan]

It’s not it’s a new weapon, it says in the steam page

[last wraith]

that’s what i’m sayin 👏

[primal berry]

Winch claw + sledgehammer is going to be nasty.

[halcyon fractal]

I know, but as a sword main currently, i am really hoping that they also add a a katana skin for sword, because ive been waiting a long time for it tbh

It seems that the dual katanas for medium will also be able to do a charge attack just like sword

[last wraith]

completely fair i’ve been waiting for a baguette skin for agessss

[halcyon fractal]

THERES A BAGUETTE SKIN??

[digital saddle]

no new sword skin. it is difficult to spot, but it is 2 blades held, the left hand slightly out of view. hence the confusion.

[last wraith]

i wish 😔

[gusty kayak]

chain gadget + hammer will be a great 😄

[halcyon fractal]

Unfortunate.. but its alright

Ive gotten good at sword, im gonna keep using it, but I’ll definitely try out the dual katanas

Besides, im def getting the cool samurai skin that ive been waiting for

[digital saddle]

its is not shown in the trailer , but there could still be a new katana sword skin

[halcyon fractal]

Lets hope for the best

[digital saddle]

let's

[halcyon fractal]

Man, this is so hype, i cant wait until the 13th! Or tbh, i should wait until after exams to play this season

[onyx mesa]

imagine hitting someone with a bow and arrow over the map

[halcyon fractal]

Hanzo type shit

[onyx mesa]

???

[halcyon fractal]

Hanzo from ow2 lmfao

[sinful dagger]

If they don't add a katana sword skin their actually throwing. Every sword light would buy ut

[halcyon fractal]

Thats what im saying bruh, its a good financial decision, especially because sword is rising to popularity. I can see it being the montage weapon for this game

[sinful dagger]

Yea, they can even recycle the bats animations for it

[onyx mesa]

I wonder how katanas work and deflect bullets

[halcyon fractal]

Similar to how jett and genji are the montage agents for different games, they all have a fast play style

[last wraith]

the memories of roadhog hook is being carried into the finals 😔

[halcyon fractal]

It would work really well on the construction site, you can drag the players into the void

[halcyon fractal]

Yeahyeay

[onyx mesa]

that would be so funny

[last wraith]

the fact that it stuns too is crazy to me

[halcyon fractal]

Its gonna get nerfed, i can already sense the complaints

[halcyon fractal]

Yeah lmfao

[last wraith]

since the hook is a spec, would another heavy spec have to be removed? like what happened to wall hacks in season one

[halcyon fractal]

I doubt it

They are going to add more and more specs, there is no way there is going to be only 3 for each class

That is going to get boring in the long run

[misty quartz]

Anyone know which class is the bow and arrow

[last wraith]

so there’ll be 3 for light 3 for medium and 4 for heavy?

[last wraith]

light 👍

[halcyon fractal]

Eventually they will add more for other classes, in the coming seasons fs

[lapis grove]

Not medium?

[misty quartz]

AYO, also im expecting a shuriken skin for tk

[lapis grove]

I want to see that sushi chef knife skin 😩
Inspect probably gonna slap

[misty quartz]

Medium had the katana weap right

[halcyon fractal]

Ye

[halcyon fractal]

No doubt, i think its gonna be a kunai, lets bet on it

[misty quartz]

Wonder how itll work, its basically the same as riot shield if i think about it. Right click to shield/deflect

[halcyon fractal]

It has a lunge attack

[misty quartz]

So a better sword in every way bruh

Unless it has a long normal attack animation

[halcyon fractal]

It has shorter reach

Lunge is not as far i think

BUT you know why in sticking with sword light? Its because light has dash, i can feel the speed, compared to medium probably not.. itll still be fun

[sand monolith]

@twin lake

[last wraith]

time for a basically melee only season lets go 👏

[halcyon fractal]

MELEE USERS LETS GOO ‼️‼️🔥🔥🔥🤘

[twin lake]

What is World Tour?
I don't see them replacing the ranked mode but if that's how it is, for a single season, to test how it would work, why not
But I would vote to have 2 separated ranked modes for sure

Thanks for the info btw

[sand monolith]

cashout tournament but locked to the same map and loadout for weeks at a time. and the gamemode for it is subject to change. tournaments as a whole can be gone for weeks at a time lmao

[halcyon fractal]

Thats kind of doodoo icl

[last wraith]

SLEDGE SEASON BABYYYY 🔥🔥🔥🔥🗣🗣🗣

[twin lake]

Surely everyone will voice their opinion and they'll have both modes as ranked by then/by the 1st week
This would be the 1st (big) L for The Finals. I love this game but that's an awful decision let's be real

[halcyon fractal]

Thats what im predicting will happen, thats usually what happens when people are angry at the finals

[halcyon fractal]

AYEEEE🔥🔥

[twin lake]

This is objectively a terrible change against their core community so they have to change it, both for the players, their image and the player count. I never thought I'd be disapointed by The Finals

@hidden wigeon #💣┇weapons-gadgets message

[halcyon fractal]

I agree with you here, but everything will get solved, and most people will be satisfied in the end.. considering how embark makes changes, they are definitely going to change up the game so that everyone is happy in the end, at least thats what i hope. I dont want to rank up solely fron playing Terminal, I dont like that game mode, and I barely played it.. it was only fun as a event, but the gamemode that I love is cashout

[dusty radish]

Wait so do we know what characters getting what weapons for the new season?

[halcyon fractal]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2073850/view/4164220603447083354?l=spanish

[digital saddle]

see Steam page description

[twin lake]

I already put 30€ in the game to support the devs. I would feel so bad if they don't change it. Let's hope for the best, both for the players and for Embark because other than this they're mostly doing a great job and providing a super cool game that I love

[dusty radish]

Thanks, you’re a star! 👍🏼

[halcyon fractal]

Fr! I will continue to pay to support these amazing devs, but I definitely wont be too happy if ranked becomes something that nobody really plays

[misty quartz]

tbh i could careless about ranked, only worry is that weapons and gadgets will be balanced around TA instead of the OG modes

[muted lotus]

Cashout was something nice and refreshing, TA is just a csgo remake

[restive plover]

I was hoping for m4 or something but it's okay, maybe they can add it mid season, will still support them rather than spend a coin on call of bundles modern cheaters 3 or apex that I loved so much and all they do now is sell recolors

[halcyon fractal]

Lets hope for more in the coming seasons, lets enjoy this one tho! Its the coolest one so far

[muted lotus]

Dual Berrettas for light would be pretty cool

[restive plover]

Nah that's crazy lol

Maybe if they single fire

[misty quartz]

Flintlock would be sick, or any weapon that allow rocket jumping

[muted lotus]

snub-barrel revolvers then

[muted lotus]

"runneth thy pockets" ahh weapon

[restive plover]

yeah heavy is op this season💀😭

[sinful dagger]

Is thermal bore in the trailer?

[misty quartz]

when was heavy not op tbf

[sand monolith]

I don’t think so

[sinful dagger]

Unfortunate, can't wait to check it out

[balmy tartan]

Me and the other heavy mains finna be eating good

[restive plover]

its been op, im just saying they buffed this mf even more💀

[vague hill]

god that would open up so many combo possibilities

[lone pagoda]

Heavy 3 stacks in the juggernaut armor is gonna be terrifying

[halcyon fractal]

YES BRO.. AND THEN ALL RUNNING SHIELDS AND SLEDGE.. ITS OVER

[lone pagoda]

...sheilds?

[halcyon fractal]

Specialization big shield

[lone pagoda]

oh i thought you were saying heavy got a shield weapon

[shut echo]

Why m4 you have scar and ak in the game? It would be pointless to add another assault rifle after the famas

[misty quartz]

Hook + Sledge just sounds disgusting lmao, you’re basically pudge

ig it just depends on the cooldown and how much it punishes you if you miss the hook

[wintry pier]

Is this confirmed?

I really don't know if this is the FPS I signed up for when it launched.
It could be cool?

But likely it will be disgusting and overpowered to the point of rage.

[digital saddle]

I looked a it closely now: at 00:47 a sword with katana skin is held. it is followed by a sequence of the new dual blade which caused the confusion. to conclude: katana sword skin should be there.

[steel pelican]

I thought it mightve been the explosion near the beginning (after the cut after light bow shot) but idrk

[digital saddle]

the ending sequences seem quite evocative: the new H spec is shown off, but before, at 00:58, it shows a sniping light watching a tall tower collapse. it could be nothing, but it could hint at the thermal bore. either which way it is not shown but perhaps hinted at.

[halcyon fractal]

yeah i noticed it too, extremely happy that that is happening

[polar trout]

I'm calling it, it's gonna be
3 heavies
3 hooks
3 shotguns/melee
3 dome shields
3 RPG's
3 Barriers
Then the second you see anything hook it and delete it from existence while using your barriers to stop the same from happening to you

[tropic hearth]

please 🙏 tell me that the chain pull is replacing the mesh shield

you guys keep nerfing it and it's still the boring defacto best option for sweating

PLEASE REPLACE MESH WITH CHAIN 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[north snow]

does anyone know if the bow and arrow/2 swords are new weapons or just skins

like bow and arrow might just be a sniper skin with unique animations, which would be really cool, but does anyone know

and the 2 short swords looks like a dagger skin with how he is holding his hands

[misty quartz]

Bow and Arrow new weap for light
Dual Katana new weap for medium
Spear new weap for heavy

[north snow]

and katana also for medium?

[misty quartz]

its in the steam announcement

[misty quartz]

There might be a katana skin for light, but medium has dual kata as weapon

[north snow]

well you can see a katana with a genji deflect in the announcement video, tho i suppose it could be a riot shield, and they skin the right click shield block as a deflect

[misty quartz]

Apparently dual katana has a small lunge, can deflect, and fast autos. Basically a better sword overall. But it prob wont outshadow sword since light still has the lunge-dash combo that medium cant replicate

[north snow]

there isnt a sword in the game

oh wait, light sword

[misty quartz]

Light has a sword wym

[north snow]

yeah i forgot light had 2 melee weapons my bad

[halcyon fractal]

it will develop a new playstyle, but sword light will generally still be better

[north snow]

but yeah looks like a skin for light sword i guess

wonder when they are gonna add a medieval sword and shield skin for medium

[amber cloak]

New rule. Instead of staying far from heavies, now we can't look them in the eye

[north snow]

as it should be

its called the food chain

[neon escarp]

Anyone else struggling with understanding the balancing right now? Light characters aren't viable except for throwing knives and sniper, which are both just awful to deal with. In 5v5, you end up having a sniper across the map shooting you the entire time, and some random dude with knives finishes you off. Constant instant death.

[halcyon fractal]

they should make endermen skin for heavies

[last solar]

its a completely new weapon, in the trailer you can see medium shooting at the katana user and he blocks the bullets

[north snow]

the deflecting is from the 2 katanas medium get, the big single katana is a skin

they cut the footage in the trailer, so the inspect animation on the lights sword, is right before the deflect animation on the mediums 2 knives

[last solar]

Oh

But this look sick as a third person melee

I also noticed this grappling chain thing which look good to

[simple lantern]

just use XP-54

it's fun, balanced, and easy

and plus it REQUIRES ACTUAL FUCKING SKILL TO USE

[hardy slate]

when throw spear?

[torn mantle]

Do we think that the chain we see in the short clip at the end a weapon or gadget?

[onyx forge]

Its a slug shell, its only one pellet

[hardy slate]

its a gadget that pulls and slows target says in steam patch notes

[lilac terrace]

I wonder if you can grapple a light that's trying to grapple away

[misty quartz]

Funny interaction, wonder if the hook is a stun or just pulls you, so if you get pulled you can delay grapple to cancel it out

[lilac terrace]

true, and what if two players use hook on each other? will they kiss

[boreal laurel]

It’s confirmed to be a new specialization for heavy. I’m happy as long as they don’t swap it out for goo gun

[lilac terrace]

Is the deflecting short swords a new weapon for the lights?

[clear needle]

Looks like some weapons are going to be redesigned… The Sniper in the trailer had a bipod a seemed more tactical… even the FCAR seemed longer…

[clear needle]

For medium.

[lilac terrace]

ah I see

[violet cosmos]

There are two flavors of sniper gameplay, and one is the most skillful thing you can do as a light. XP is a spray weapon that has no recoil, that thing is no skill at all and thats why most lights use it lol. But a lot of them switched to throwing knives because that shit has becomes EVEN EASIER than the XP because at least the XP has to reload.
(I am not saying light needs nerfs, but don't be crazy thinking that the XP is a 'skilled' weapon when it isn't, the only thing skillful about it is that you're playing light in the first place)

[clear needle]

light has a bow

[lilac terrace]

can the sword only deflect bullets though

imagine having a swordfight just goclink clink clank

that'd be cool

[clear needle]

That would be really coool 😂😂

[violet cosmos]

agreed

[boreal laurel]

Cool but probably impractical—you’d be standing there for half a minute clashing swords until someone got bored and ran away 😏

[clear needle]

Who cares… cool is cool 😂

[boreal laurel]

True 😆

[lilac terrace]

I think the swords can't deflect all damage, so it either comes down to luck, or skill

[misty quartz]

You just described riot shield, its way too similar to dual katana, unless katana doesnt 100% block all damage

which is what im assuming, its just a dmg reduct

well ill still be playing the spinning shotgun for medium anyways, melee without movement spec just feels bad

ig itll have a lunge tho, but still not as good as dash

[ornate schooner]

What kinda new weapons are u guys thinking embarks gonna add in season 3

[misty quartz]

its in the steam announcement
Light - Bow
Med - Dual Katana
Heavy - Spear

[wheat palm]

I CALLED IT

I KNEW MEDIUM WOULD GET A KATANA

[buoyant schooner]

it definately would

[wheat palm]

Will there be an option to use one katana instead of two? Because we can see that in the trailer, maybe it’s like a skin or animation set

Also the ninja only has 1 katana in this shot

And in this shot it’s playing an inspect animation with the character using two hands to inspect the katana

Which would be kinda weird if you were equipped with two/using two

[violet cosmos]

its the light sword dude

its a skin clearly

[wheat palm]

That…makes sense

Wait why tf didn’t I think of that lol

[gilded shoal]

I had a feeling the game wasn't doing well enough to stick to its design and that there would be a drastic pivot to some new game mode/paradigm.

Appreciate the fun times while they were fun, good luck in the future.

[wheat palm]

This game IS sticking to its design

It’s a game show

It’s not doing anything too crazy

[restive plover]

Shifting focus away from the mode the game was built around is downright insane.

[hallow current]

The medium gets the two swords

The light gets one

Sooo... I think terminal attack should have a HUGE explosion or a big EMP wave at the end of a successful plan.

Just to add a lil razzle dazzle to the game mode.

I'm imagining a building I'm Monaco getting liquidated.

[amber cloak]

Oh good idea

[lilac terrace]

like nuketown

[runic thunder]

TK needs to be nerfed/removed from the game bc why is anyone going to use the bow next season when the knives exist the way they do now

[soft juniper]

cant wait for the age of Melee to come in

[misty quartz]

Youre comparing a short range weapon to a mid-long range weapon

They have different use

[runic thunder]

the charge throw can go about as far as you need it too and most encounters in game are sub 25m and it'll be entirely outclassed

[misty quartz]

Everyone will still play bow, since its the new toy to play with, if its shit like how the pistols were in s2, then itll fall off and everyones just gonna go back to the meta stuff

[lilac terrace]

v9s is not so bad

[misty quartz]

Not that one, the burst one

[runic thunder]

i just really hate how spammy the TK I'm a good player and still feel like there's nothing i can do when I face one

[misty quartz]

i can see them reducing its dmg, but the buff it got made it feel so much better to use compared the other light weapons, basically removed the weird delay of the two knives thrown

Id rather take a base damage nerf than the attackspeed nerf

[runic thunder]

i agree i think they need a damage nerf an AS nerf would just make them unuseable again like i enjoy that people use them they're just stupidly annoying and spammy rn

played 6 games in a row and died exclusively to TK the whole time so im just fuming about them atm

[misty quartz]

It’s probably because everyone wanted to play with TK back in S1 but realized how shit it is, so when its finally good, everyone just gravitated back to it

[runic thunder]

they just feel unfair to fight against especially as a Med bc I simply can and will be out DPSed every single time]

[lavish rampart]

im so sick of throwing knives i just came here to bitch about them

[misty quartz]

A classic

[haughty sky]

arent we all

[misty quartz]

I play med with shotgun so lights arent that bad if hit the shots, i really dont like playing with normal aks and fcars since its basically the same as any other fps game

[lavish rampart]

same

[runic thunder]

i also use model and if the light is worth their salt they're gonna kill you before you can even get your second shot off to kill them

[lavish rampart]

exactly

and if im not up their ass with the shotgun they always have the advantage

[runic thunder]

TK just rewards spamming M1 without a braincell and its unfair

missing is punished heavily with every other high damage weapon in the game but not TK

[lavish rampart]

i love when it takes 5 minutes to reload my shotgun but they can just spam m1 and get basically the same amount of damage faster

[misty quartz]

Maybe theyll add a reload for it, i can see them adding it

[runic thunder]

or at least an animation for missing

[lilac terrace]

the shotgun capacity should be a bit larger I think, 6shots are abit too less

[misty quartz]

nah imo 6 is fine

[lavish rampart]

yea

[misty quartz]

gotta balance reloading and getting aggressive on the enemy

[runic thunder]

the first shell reload is very long tho so you get punished if youre just spamming\

[misty quartz]

Revolver having 6 shots with its dmg feels shit tho

[runic thunder]

well the revolver just feels like shit because it is with its damage falloff

[misty quartz]

I used to main revolver and just switched to shotgun cause its basically the same but you just aim alot easier

[runic thunder]

i wiped a team with tk while writing that last message, thats how unskilled these hunks of shit are

[lavish rampart]

fr

[runic thunder]

yeah im in bank it tho so most people are potatoes but point still stands

[misty quartz]

Yeah i can see them adding a reload to it, prob the best way to balance it

[runic thunder]

i think it needs to do less damage or be removed entirely

they took away combat pulse from Med why can't they take out TK

[misty quartz]

they wont remove it lmao, people alr bought skins for it

They can nerf it down to oblivion so no one uses it again tho

[runic thunder]

I could give a fuck, I did too and id rather have my coins back than let this stay in the game

[misty quartz]

im fine with if they add a reload or reduce the base dmg, tk is fun to use, its not a basic ass gun like every fps is

well if they do nerf it to oblivion ill just go back to lunge-dash

[runic thunder]

i also top fragged that last game while most of my attention was on this convo like i shouldn't be able to do that

at least when a sword kills me i feel like i got outplayed when i die to TK i just got spammed until i lost life permissions

[cursive monolith]

@molten phoenix

[runic thunder]

plz embark

i went 15-2 while alt tabbing between this, the game, and an episode of game of thrones

[obsidian escarp]

TK is not easy, and being spammed to death is just some rare circumstances I feel like, it's the trade off of unlimited ammo vs range and accuracy

[runic thunder]

Im playing with them right now and they are the easiest thing in the game im consistently top fragging while barely even paying attention to the game

[obsidian escarp]

In rank? Cause for casual it's definitely not hard to top fragged, but in rank it's not as easy especially after plat 3

[runic thunder]

No im running bank it but still dominating every lobby while watching jon snow be a baller

[obsidian escarp]

Also I feel like the same can be said about the grenade launcher for medium, in close range light almost have no chance (or maybe just skill issue for me)

[soft juniper]

So is the Thermal Bore basicly just gona bea a long ranged breach charge?

[runic thunder]

even then the launcher has 4 bullets and the knives have infinite

[obsidian escarp]

Thus the range and accuracy trade off

[obsidian escarp]

Maybe a poor man's rpg

[runic thunder]

but you can spam and run around until your opponent is forced to reload then their a free kill

[obsidian escarp]

Then that's the person at fault who ran out of ammo

[soft juniper]

If its like that and you can damage people with it I can see people using it for a damage option then a "Tactical" option

[runic thunder]

my point is TKs are still decent in ranked but they dominate new players with no skill and most likely will cause noobs just starting to quit the game bc they're getting shit on by the same weapon 24/7

[obsidian escarp]

True, but that's just how it is for now, not everything should be tuned or alter just to consider everyone or new players' feeling

[copper sinew]

Yeah close range is brutal, the counterplay is to actually move away and dodge while killing them.

To the general conversation: Knives are fine, lights have a lot of weapons with a shittons of dps and knives don't even have the higest of them. I usually see lights in quick cash with 12-17 kills I imagine they get more on bank it since that gamemode is structured more around killing people so @runic thunder your numbers of 15 kills isn't really that impressive.

I also don't see nearly as much knives as I see snipers when it comes to the less popular light weapons and snipers also dominate noobs, even harder most likely coz you don't even see where the damage is coming from

[obsidian escarp]

Maybe it'll have a scope kinda like the tracking dart?

[soft juniper]

Maybe but as of now my light gadgets are very solidified so depending how it works It could take over one of the spots but unlikly

[copper sinew]

First thing that came to mind with the new breaching thing was Ash's gadget from R6 so a grenade that burrows into walls and makes a hole, but deals like 40 damage to people

[runic thunder]

i know 15 isnt a lot i mostly play model medium but my point is i did that while not even looking at what i was doing and spamming M1

[soft juniper]

But soon the Age of Melee is appon us I cant wait to see what happens

[obsidian escarp]

If I can scope with it I'll definitely take it, it feels so damn cool

Yeh so many melee in S3, I feel like I'll main medium just for the new swords

[soft juniper]

If it can do a good amount of damage to a player it might switch up Grenade for me

[obsidian escarp]

Fr

[runic thunder]

i just hope the dual katanas are good i wanna run melee on medium but i dont wanna be a riot sheild cornball

[obsidian escarp]

Yeh riot shield feels so cluncky to me, I guess skill issue but I'd love to be a demon with the dual katanas

[copper sinew]

I love riot shields in games in genreal, but the one in the finals isn't quite implemented in the way I like, so honestly same, hope the katanas are fun

[runic thunder]

i just have a problem with riot shields in all games i feel like they promote too much of turtle style play and i really dislike that especially for the finals

[obsidian escarp]

Same, I want to fast push and shove that shield in other people's face

[misty quartz]

Cant you do that now? The delay between shielding and attacking is basically 0 now

[copper sinew]

R6 had good ones I think. They allowed you a lot, didn't feel invincible and had clear counterplay, but the ttk is absurd in R6 so if they where implemented like that in the finals they would be too op

[obsidian escarp]

I almost thought the spin attack for the spear looks like a whip

[runic thunder]

also I hope that the sword blocking doesnt fully negate damage bc then riot shield would be made obsolete, as for how it feels I don't know and don't care every time i come across one in game i just shoot da feet and they get scared so they try to run me down then i tear their head off

[misty quartz]

It looked liked a dmg reduct than full on blocking in the trailer

[runic thunder]

yeah I couldve swore he was taking chip damage

[obsidian escarp]

I don't think it fully block, in the trailer it seems that the player has taken a bit damage while blocking cause their screen has the taken damage effect

[misty quartz]

After lunge-dash, melee without movement is just not the same

[obsidian escarp]

Do you guys think we can spam bow shot in close range, or does it have to be draw back a certain distance

[misty quartz]

Deals more dmg based on how far its pulled

you can prob spam it to deal chip dmg

[copper sinew]

I just watched that it is definietly the case, but also am I tripping or is the medium in that clip sprinting while blocking the damage?

[runic thunder]

I've never played off medium other than for challenges and to confirm my suspicions about TK being no skill and I dont really have an issue with movement on medium, bhopping off ziplines and well angled bounce pads are good enough for me

[runic thunder]

im pretty sure he's sprinting

[copper sinew]

more so it actually is reflecting the bullets back at the attacker

[runic thunder]

that would be sick

[copper sinew]

coz from their perspective they are also taking damage from that

[obsidian escarp]

Reflecting, so there's a chance the attacker can be killed by that?

[misty quartz]

Lunge cancel was fun despite it being op asf, honestly good its gone now

[runic thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-light-saber-block-laser-gif-10931644

oopsies

[obsidian escarp]

Is it the emote cancelling thing?

[misty quartz]

Yeah

[copper sinew]

yeah it is probably similar to genji from Overwatch, just not blocking all the damage

[obsidian escarp]

That's dope, I hated that bs

[runic thunder]

i would love to see a melee meta tbh

[obsidian escarp]

It reminds me about Titanfall, one of the titan able to block some bullets

[misty quartz]

In S3 people gonna be playing with the new melee toys and light gonna be on a crane with a bow and arrow with the new long range breach

[runic thunder]

I would've rather had the swords on another class and had the bow on medium

[lilac terrace]

possible nunchuck skin for dual katanas? they can work the same way

[obsidian escarp]

Same, and with a new catch phrase, bring a sword to a gun fight next time

[runic thunder]

99% gonna be in the battlepass

[lilac terrace]

everybody is kungfu fighting

[misty quartz]

Shuriken for TK

[obsidian escarp]

Feels like a bit harder, maybe need to squint really hard

[misty quartz]

Crane might be an exaggeration, more likely just high roofs

[runic thunder]

Jeu jitsu specialization for heavy replacing charge and slam would be cool, you just grab one guy and smash em through the floor]

[obsidian escarp]

I hope it won't feel like the slug shotgun, the speed just feels so off

[lilac terrace]

bow and arrows surely would have projectile drop off too, so definitely a reduce in range

[copper sinew]

I imagine the curve of the arc will be dependent on how much you charge the shot

[obsidian escarp]

Are there any other gadgets for other class been leaked?

[runic thunder]

I want MED to get sonar grenade back tbh

[misty quartz]

Depending on the draw speed, bow would be fun asf with short-mid range as well

Bow-Dash mid range is a match made in heaven

[copper sinew]

Goddamn I love that last frame in the trailer, where a heavy just pulls someone in like a hungry eldritch monster

[obsidian escarp]

Feels like would be better than sniper close range, I'm ass at no scope or quick scope

[obsidian escarp]

Feels like the apex pathfinder grapple

[runic thunder]

i just wanna see whats gonna make people use the spear over the hammer

[lilac terrace]

yea and I wonder if the spin move can actually block some throwables

[obsidian escarp]

I think it just looks cooler and possibly longer range

[copper sinew]

they said it was gonna be more nimble so it will probably be a preference thing. Do you wanna hit hard and slow or less hard but fast

[obsidian escarp]

Les hard but fast for sure

[lilac terrace]

style points too

[copper sinew]

I imagine it won't one shot lights with the spin attack, unless it is a multihit. It could be fun if it almost felt dance-like while used, especially since it would mean the fat one got the dancing

[obsidian escarp]

The spin move looks fast no? Could trap many ppl with that aoe

I hope there's movement to it, so we don't just stand there and spin the weapon

[lilac terrace]

mm yea could proly counter invis lights backstabbing you

[copper sinew]

you will for sure be able to move with it, just like with the other melee weapons

[runic thunder]

also whos idea was it to make the slow 5mins in gen chat

[misty quartz]

Everyones bitching bout rank so, theyll most likely change it with the backlash

[copper sinew]

Since the medium is not getting anything besides the katanas I wonder if we will see anything wonky about some stuff. Like the defensive stance on the katanas being a forced specialization when running them or a shadow drop of recon senses after the rework.

Especially because the defensive stance feels like something that would go on cooldown and some indicator would be nice for it. Implementing both a defensive stance and a lunge attack also requires some shenenigans with buttons but I can see a few ways they could make it work without restrictions as such.

[misty quartz]

I doubt its on cooldown, riotshield has no cooldown on a full on block, kafanas deflect with chip dmg shouldnt as well

[copper sinew]

I mean it reflects damage so if you could just run with it 24/7 it will feel bad for the attacker

[runic thunder]

whats all this im hearing about ruby guns

[misty quartz]

New rank tier iirc? Ruby, not too sure

[copper sinew]

Well Embark is probably making a new rank, hinted to be ruby, either above or below diamond I would imagine and it will give skins as such

[runic thunder]

i think there should be the ranks we have now plus 2 more, a ruby or emerald then Champ/top 500\

[misty quartz]

Is there even enough rank players to fill up those matchmaking queues lmao

[runic thunder]

from how people are pissing themselves in Gen chat it seems like it

[misty quartz]

the higher your rank is, the longer your queue will be, and people gonna complain, then theyll make it so you can match up to lower rank to decrease queue, and everyones gonna complain again

[runic thunder]

im used to CS and LOL que times so anyhting under 5-8 mins is fast in my eyes for high rank

[misty quartz]

CS and LoL’s playercount is hell of alot different than TheFinals lmao

[runic thunder]

that's true but they have long Q times and even in diamond it never took me less than a minute to find a game

also what ever happened to the cars and bikes we saw in the release trailer for the game

[outer harness]

what r the best gadgets for light at the moment?

[lilac terrace]

I'd say I've seen plenty of gateway meta that's been promoted, come of think of it, I rarely see lights using breach charges now

[hardy dust]

Gateway and glitch are pretty gud

[outer harness]

does gateway work on moving objects?

[misty quartz]

imo, invi bomb, glitch, gateway. Stun is pretty much dead now, theres flashbang if you can use it effectively. You can replace bombs in any of those

[outer harness]

imo?

[misty quartz]

in my opinion

[outer harness]

[misty quartz]

Tracking Dart can be useful if you play melee

you can trigger mines with them without exploding yourself

Sonar grenade good too for teamplay

[worldly sky]

@restive plover it's the same guy lol, also sorry for the ping here. Was on 5 min CD

[mellow lodge]

whats this about?

[worldly sky]

Balance and game design lead is the same person

[mellow lodge]

[worldly sky]

Context: #⚡┇the-finals-chat message and #⚡┇the-finals-chat message

[restive plover]

No fucking shot

You tell me the guy who designed the fucking RPG is the same guy who refuses to nerf it holy shit. Thanks for the info this just opened my fourth eye.

[worldly sky]

I mean he's the same guy who designed the game modes and the weapon balances

[mellow lodge]

beat him with a stick

[restive plover]

Well if you design a gamemode where surviving is king and didn't account for the gadget that could nearly one shot Mediums by simply being in their LOS; I think we have a problem lol.

[copper sinew]

anything that isn't tracking dart, flashbangs or thermal vision, tho smokes and scans might get some getting used to in order to get the same kind of value out of them as with the other gadgets

[outer harness]

i havent played in a long time and i wanna know if my gadget build is good its flashbang pyro grenade and invis bomb im playing light

[last raven]

run glitch nade others up to you

[outer harness]

u know what i should swap it out with?

[last raven]

what weapon do you use

[outer harness]

m11

[last raven]

use invis taze and glitch

[outer harness]

and i use evasive dash

[outer harness]

how is the glitch grenade good?

[sacred cypress]

I hope the new chain has a very fast cooldown if at all cause its mostly gonna be paired with the new spear weapon. And cuz its close range there won't be alot of defense form long range attacks like mesh or just run away with charge or get cover with goo. So I just hope the cooldown time is veryy little or not at all to compensate

[mellow lodge]

ah yes give the ability that pulls someone into your shotgun and stuns them an instant cooldown

[sacred cypress]

I'm just saying it's not viable long range because that way ur losing almost all ur fights at long range

[restive plover]

People need to stop complaining about everything, just enjoy the game bro

[cloud zinc]

They just ruined the game bro no point in enjoying it

[keen island]

changing the main ranked gamemode aint ruining shit bro 😭 game is still as fun as before its just if you want to play ranked it'll be different than previous seasons

[cloud zinc]

Playing pubs for little to no progression and only adding melee weapons is fun af?? You’re huffing that copium hard big bro

[patent flame]

It's actually better 😌

And you enjoy it, but there's no point in enjoying it? Fun af!

[keen island]

melee weapons are fun tho bringing those to gun fights is always funny...

also yeah idgaf if i only play pubs for no progression i find the game fun even if there is little progression i wont stop playing

[sand monolith]

Not to mention the tournaments have limited loadouts and are locked to the same map for a week at a time. They have also already said they’re thinking replacing the world tour gamemode down the line

[misty quartz]

Disables bubbles, turrets, mines, shields

Pretty much a requirement for light

[outer harness]

Do I know whats a good build if im running light?

[misty quartz]

If youre doing good lmao, theres no “good” build, just meta build that everyone uses, but if something like the thermal is useful for you and you benefit from it, then its a good build

[outer harness]

Im running invis bomb and glitch grenade do u know if f any good gadgets i should have for my 3rd?

[misty quartz]

Any of the grenades, sonar is pretty helpful in a building fight, portal is good if you know how to use it

[outer harness]

To use portal do u put it down then throw it to where u wanna go?

[misty quartz]

taser kinda meh now since people can still outplay you easily even if you stun them

[misty quartz]

Yep, most use case is when unlocking a vault, put a portal on top of it while its counting down and run to the nearest cashout, put a portal there and the box will just teleport through the portal

Grenades/RPGs/Throwables also go through the portal btw

[outer harness]

😯

Op

[misty quartz]

If you know how to use it yeah its good

[narrow bane]

@full wharf yo learn to read the patch notes properly bro
thermal bore

[full wharf]

Idk what's a termal bore

[narrow bane]

@full wharf go read the steam announcement, it's described there

[full wharf]

Kk didn't see it that's why I asked

[narrow bane]

@sour cloud yeah i already knew that, just wanna know if it's like a throwable breach charge or something that's kept in sort of a launcher

[sour cloud]

Ah ya idk

[dusty torrent]

I am most upset there’s no real gun added to this season just that melee stuff

[restive plover]

Hopefully they buff the season 2 guns.

[sick forge]

+1

[sour knoll]

I feel like the new weapons are catered mostly for the new map.

Gonna have to wait and see how they play out in others

[ebon garden]

TRAMPOLINE SKIN FOR THE JUMPPAD. SCREENSHOT THIS NOW.

[restive plover]

The "Deal x damage to the arena using arena carryables" challenge is broken. I keep throwing around red canisters into walls and buildings and it just won't count anything. Can someone help me?

[lavish gate]

there's the bow!

[torn pecan]

blow yellow ones

[restive plover]

I figured it out, either it doesnt track on the power shift gamemode, or it doesnt count when you are trackign the challenge. Im doing bank it with untracked challenge now and it works.

[rough carbon]

did they showcase the THERMAL BORE in the trailer?

sounds cool, like melting through a floor with thermite or something, or is it like a Maggie fire drill from apex?

I'm fairly certain it's a Maggie Fire Drill

[restive plover]

Nevermind, now it didnt count a single dot of damage again

I fucking hate this broken challenge.

[rough carbon]

yeah but your name changed colors congrats dude

[novel oar]

I HOPE NOT, if you combine it with sledge hammer you get free kills

if it a a little or no cooldown that would be so powerful

heavy is already powerful as is

[rough carbon]

Idk, I feel like you're gonna be a slow moving target but with a big ass AOE

[digital saddle]

the H spear and chain look quite dubious to me

[novel oar]

heavy also has 2 melee's and 2 shotguns and with a thing that brings people closer would make all of those so strong

[rough carbon]

seems fair, you aren't chunking as much damage with the hammer

Also roadhog overwatch mains come for the chain/shotgun/melee combo

[halcyon fractal]

Roadhog type shit

[novel oar]

real

[rough carbon]

cant wait for that

[novel oar]

if they combine that with sledge hammer they just pull in a light and then one shot them

[rough carbon]

might be too slow of a lapse

[halcyon fractal]

As a sword main that would bw annoying asf im ngl

[novel oar]

im also a sword main

[rough carbon]

As someone who plays mostly sword, give the heavies a fighting chance

[halcyon fractal]

The hook also stuns, which will make it even harder

[halcyon fractal]

I like fighting heavies most, its like im eren yaegar and im zooming around

[novel oar]

with the fact that it stuns it should have a 30 second cooldown

[rough carbon]

ew thirty second chain wait?

[halcyon fractal]

Yeahhh.. do we know how long it stuns for? And will it gave a same stun effect as stun gun?

[rough carbon]

hooks every.. 9 to 12 seconds sounds good

[copper sinew]

The silver lining is that it would be a different type of powerful, one that does not mesh well with what is already in the game.

[rough carbon]

let the heavy control the space

[novel oar]

it will with the spear

[rough carbon]

he's the zoner

[halcyon fractal]

But ok look we play sword, and i would assume you guy also pair it with dash. It would mean that the heaviest have a hard chance hitting us unless if we are running in a straight line, or the whole entire hook as a hitbox, making it so that the moment any part of the hook touches us we are pulled in, which wouldn’t be ideal. Im also curious about if we can crouch and slide under the hook to dodge it

[rough carbon]

that would be cool to slide under it but we'll see how generous the hurtbox is on that hook

[novel oar]

i do pair it with dash and i do hope you can slide under it

[halcyon fractal]

Itll be troublesome

[novel oar]

true

[copper sinew]

I think it is fine, heavy should be powerful up close it is the tools he has at range that are a problem right now.

If I remember right roadhog had a 12 sec cd on his hook way back when in overwatch so I think a little more than that would be ideal for this game, especially since you are trading charge'n'slam or mesh shield for it.

[rough carbon]

I'm sure this thermal bore is gonna be a fire drill that sticks to shields

and just roasts whoever is on the other side

[halcyon fractal]

I think itll be able to damage opponents too

[rough carbon]

it's maggie's fire drill from apex legends

[halcyon fractal]

Yeah yeah yeah

[novel oar]

me too but i dont think it will be like a maggie drill i think it will be a long range breach charge

[rough carbon]

damn, I would have loved to deny entryways with a fire drill lol

[halcyon fractal]

You know whah weapon would be really cool for heavy? Some movement type weapon, preferably like a big fist like doomfist of sorts

[copper sinew]

I expect it to be r6 Ash's gadget

[rough carbon]

would love a doom gauntlet for the heavy, that sounds like season 7 stuff

[halcyon fractal]

But then light already has breach charges

[halcyon fractal]

💀💀 thats like two years in the future

[rough carbon]

I want the heavy to have a canister launcher that he can store maybe up to 6 canisters on, then launch them linearly at will

[novel oar]

THERMAL BORE — a new gadget for LIGHTS: a long-range, high-cooldown, tactical breaching gadget, that’s best used to breach walls, buildings, and other obstacles from a distance, to open up pathways or sightlines for you and your team. Perfect in combination with a long-range weapon!

[copper sinew]

Yeah but those are close range this gadget is supposed to make sightlines for sniper and the new bow

[halcyon fractal]

Ok i see

I want it to shoot fire at opponents like a trap that you see in those mazes

https://tenor.com/view/doomfist-overwatch2-gif-25947426

[novel oar]

it says nothing about shooting fire

[copper sinew]

Thermal in the name. I can see where the confusion is coming from

[novel oar]

true

im wondering if you will be able to run while drawing back the bow

[halcyon fractal]

Definitely

Bow would be really weak if you arent able to

[novel oar]

you will definetly be able to dash while drawing it back

[copper sinew]

I would love some skins for grenades that aren't actually grenades tho. Like literally a bow with a fire arrow for pyro nades or like a laser that sets things on fire

[novel oar]

yeah

what are your guys loadouts for sword

[rough carbon]

At least you'll be able to go to instant slide with the bow drawn like you do with the sword hopefully

[novel oar]

yeah

[rough carbon]

dash, sword, tracking dart, invisible grenade, fire grenade

[novel oar]

same

[rough carbon]

its fun to plink with the dart

shoot a cache of barrels above, make a sniper paranoid and cycle his spot, mark a lone for the team

[novel oar]

yeah

[rough carbon]

get a rare 5 hp kill now and then and feel like a lucky sob

[novel oar]

im going to switch to bow when it comes out

[rough carbon]

also fire grenade for the bottom of the payload on power shift

just chuck it from below at the bottom and the flames go to the top

[novel oar]

ik

[rough carbon]

i dont wanna talk about it because i feel like we shouldnt do that lol

I hope they give grapple some love and give it either a shorter cooldown when you grapple short distances and/or an additional charge

give a reason not to dash, i love dash but i wanna see more spidemen

[hasty hawk]

I use grapple instead of dash ngl

[rough carbon]

respect

[hasty hawk]

🫡

[halcyon fractal]

Dash, sword, frag, invis, stun/flashbang

[rough carbon]

ive been liking flashbang but it's so easy to just screw your own team with it

[halcyon fractal]

Ur insane 💀

[halcyon fractal]

A hidden advantage is that in open spaces, it reveals where all the enemies are, giving you the ability to think before entering, and where you dive

The big open spaces in monaco is where flashbang shines, not only does it blind your opponents, but it also reveals their healthbar

[daring sierra]

I'm just thinking about the potential for the grapple on powershift... imagine 5 heavies- all of which are one a roof and next to the platform with 5 people on it.

It's like fishing in a small pond. If this is going to become a viable tactic, and it gets popular someday as the "fishing tactic"- i wish to be credited as the creator XD

[rough carbon]

interesting, never knew that about the healthbar

I wonder if you can smoke a room then flash it to locate someone

[halcyon fractal]

Try it out man, especially in monaco. Go on the roof, and flashbang everywhere

[rough carbon]

next time I get to I will

[halcyon fractal]

Ill try that out tn

I think that if bow doesnt have a high damage output, itll be extremely weak

Imo, fully charged, it should take one hit plus one quick melee to kill a medium

[shrewd heath]

I really hope that's a joke

[rough carbon]

if its a face shot it should take out a light completely

[halcyon fractal]

At least thats what i think

[copper sinew]

I mean it wouldn't matter since you are supposed to use it at long range

[halcyon fractal]

There will be times where you are forced to use it in close range

[copper sinew]

so any quick melee finishers are probably not gonna be an issue

[halcyon fractal]

The longer you charge, the more the damage, but in close range you dont get that chance

[rough carbon]

im more interested in what a low charge arrow does

[shrewd heath]

If the bow does REASONABLE damage to the body with a higher headshot multiplier then that's fine

[halcyon fractal]

Yeah itll be difficult to use it in closr range

[rough carbon]

imagine sliding up to a light, doing a minimal effort wuss bowstring pull headshot melee finisher

[copper sinew]

if I had to guess, since the sniper does 115 the arrows would probably go from around 55 to 110 with the headshot multiplayer being 2x

maybe from somewhere lower like 40 dmg even, but that might be too low

[rough carbon]

hopefully the nature of the bow doesn't push too much against the mobile burst nature of the light

[rough carbon]

sounds like minimal bow pull melee is gonna be a potential combo

[copper sinew]

I would also imagine the arrow damage scales and is not just minimum damage at no charge and maximum damage at max charge and usually with things like that arrows are released at some charge so the listed minimal damage might be lower than factual one

and obviously it should have lower damage than the sniper, because it is "just" a bow, but I imagine it will have a much higher shooting speed with taps and probably no magazine either so no reloads/reload animation after every shot

[rough carbon]

No reloading, it's probably constant arrows like throwing knives

[copper sinew]

yeah, but it might be coded as 1 arrow in the magazine or displayed as such

[halcyon fractal]

Itll shoot like hanzo

[rough carbon]

or at least like the team fortress 2 huntsman

who need the hanzo dash when youve got sliding at will and evasive dashes

[halcyon fractal]

I am most excited for the spear, esp that soinning animation

[halcyon fractal]

REAL !!

[rough carbon]

do you think giving lights a wall jump would be too op

as a passive

if perks were ever implemented that could be one of them

[halcyon fractal]

WALL CLIMB LIGHT PLUS GRAPPLE HOOK 😭 BOUTTA BECOME SPIDERMAN

[rough carbon]

I just want this game to become the new GunZ the Duel lol

[shrewd heath]

If I ever say a light scurry up a wall I would be way too busy laughing to shoot them

[rough carbon]

give lights movementtttt

its all they've ever wanted

[halcyon fractal]

Yeah bro we need some sort of wall ability

[halcyon fractal]

LMFAO

[rough carbon]

you can give

[copper sinew]

they did mention that they are thinking about wall running and double jumps and the like

[rough carbon]

mediums wallpeeking

but give lights the wall jumping

[halcyon fractal]

Wait fr??? Where??

[shrewd heath]

Yea ima need a receipt for that one

[copper sinew]

basically titanfall 2 movement (or Brink movement if anyone remembers that game) and it would a great fit for the finals with some adjustments.

Reddit AMA. I think someone straight up asked about adding titanfall 2 movement and they responed with that they are playing with the idea or something like that

[rough carbon]

Which class should be able to go prone and roll around while shooting, I say heavy, that seems like a very heavy thing to do

being an absolute tank with 350 hp and rolling to dodge gunfire

[rough carbon]

I'd settle with a wall ride like titanfall, i was thinking more of a wall bounce but i'll take what I can get heh

you can probably make it work if you hopped off right away

[halcyon fractal]

That is extremely extremely exciting.. i dont know if it will be like a passive ability for some gadget, weapon, or specilization, but i am excited for that

[rough carbon]

I would be stoked if it was a whole new catagory of equipable but I will settle for it being a passive gadget

[loud stag]

So what do you guys think of riot shield vs new dual swords because I feel they are so similar apart from the swords deflecting bullets that it could have just been an elaborate skin for the riot shield. Mabey a range difference between the two?

[rough carbon]

quite a few people were bringing it up

[copper sinew]

ok I found this on the ama so I might be miss remembering but they at least know the cummunity wants it

[halcyon fractal]

Its a better riot shield, the dual swords also have a little bit of dash movement

[halcyon fractal]

Hype

[copper sinew]

it will be different for sure but it will be a sidegrade. Trading in some survivability for more damage and some movement. Personally I also expect the reflect will be a cooldown thing, but we will see when they release it

[halcyon fractal]

They mentioned that its like two modes that the sword has

[rough carbon]

maybe the quick melee is a quick stab rather than an elbow

[halcyon fractal]

The attack mode, where you can swing the sword and so on, and a deflect mode, where you probably cant attack, but can deflect bullets